full bison Jul 22, 2025, 2:06 AM

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I recommend starting with a Sun team. Getting a Tyranitar takes a while, so a Sandstorm team can feel underpowered until the late game, and Rain teams rely on Politoed's hidden ability, which can take a bit to get to. You can get Torkoal immediately after beating the third gym, and it has Drought as a basic ability, making it by far the most accessible option

zenith token Jul 22, 2025, 2:07 AM

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I was thinking of starting with Sun

safe depot Jul 22, 2025, 2:50 AM

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And you get a lot of options for Chlorophyll

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If you play your cards right. You can stack a ton of them without stacking types

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Just make sure to use stuff lile Whismacott and Exeggutor

zenith token Jul 22, 2025, 2:51 AM

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I think Belly is one, ye?

safe depot Jul 22, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Belly?

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Like….Bellibolt?

zenith token Jul 22, 2025, 2:53 AM

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the traded Bellsprout

safe depot Jul 22, 2025, 2:53 AM

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Idk

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I thought you were talking about Bellossom. That was gonna be my second guess

full bison Jul 22, 2025, 2:56 AM

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My favorite Chlorophyll fusion was Chandelure/Tangrowth. It just tore everything to pieces with STAB Solarbeam with Chandelure SpA

safe depot Jul 22, 2025, 2:56 AM

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MonoFire must be a lot of fun

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Ninetales or Torkoal. Four chloro users and a water/fire fusion

sleek canyon Jul 22, 2025, 3:06 AM

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full bison My favorite Chlorophyll fusion was Chandelure/Tangrowth. It just tore everything...

I made one of these with Vileplume and Typholsion. Solar Beam, Flamethrower, and Synthesis. It was a powerhouse

full bison Jul 22, 2025, 3:12 AM

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Typhlosion in Sun is so much fun. I used it as my starter and fused it with Yanmega to get Tinted Lens and eventually got Eruption on it. The end result swept almost every single fight it was involved in.

sleek canyon Jul 22, 2025, 10:16 AM

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That’s sounds awesome!

random dragon Jul 22, 2025, 1:20 PM

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Entei/Leafeon is my favorite chlorophyll user due to its good Hp and sacred fire

elfin forge Jul 22, 2025, 5:24 PM

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How would you even get a fusion of 2 different Castform forms?

gray stream Jul 22, 2025, 5:26 PM

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you would probably be able to find one in randomizer, but depending on how forecast will work it might just instantly transform back into a double castform

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or double fusion between one of the forms if theres any weather

rancid nymph Jul 22, 2025, 5:28 PM

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elfin forge How would you even get a fusion of 2 different Castform forms?

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

Tenor

velvet root Jul 22, 2025, 5:43 PM

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gray stream you would probably be able to find one in randomizer, but depending on how forec...

Maybe they get a new hidden ability?
Well the weather ones all get theyr weather and normal castform gets Cloud nine

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 5:50 PM

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elfin forge How would you even get a fusion of 2 different Castform forms?

it'd likely end up being the same situation with how Ultra Necrozma works in randomizer

if you catch it and have a full team and send it to your box, it would exist in that form until you use it in battle, at which point it reverts

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only difference being castform will likely be a gift mon as it normally is from saving the weather institute

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so short of randomizer throwing a weather induced form at you

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what DarkWeav said is accurate

viscid fossil Jul 22, 2025, 5:54 PM

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But frog also said that he wants to make castform change in your party to the overworld weather
so depending on how that's implemented it could be impossible to get your hands on one of those forms outside of having a giftmon be sent to your box

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 6:16 PM

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if it is 100% reliant on overworld weather, then it is outright useless

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no offense to frog on that one, but you should be able to influence the form based on the weather in battle as well

full bison Jul 22, 2025, 6:22 PM

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I don't see why in-battle weather wouldn't affect Castform

spice sage Jul 22, 2025, 6:29 PM

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viscid fossil But frog also said that he wants to make castform change in your party to the ov...

It'll be something like Minior. Castform fusions will only change form if it has the Forecast ability basically, so if you have a rain castform without the ability, then it will always be rain form.

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It will change form with both overworld weather and battle weather. There will be ways to influence overworld weather too

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 6:31 PM

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yay

viscid fossil Jul 22, 2025, 6:31 PM

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Cool
But would there be a way to get like
A sun form fused with a rain form

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It's clearly not important at all but i find the concept funny

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 6:32 PM

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randomizer i would assume

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have full party
run into rain castform
catch and send to box
go to different route
run into sun castform
catch and send to box
fuse in pc

velvet root Jul 22, 2025, 6:33 PM

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spice sage It'll be something like Minior. Castform fusions will only change form if it has...

Can we have the Castforms with diffrent hidden abilitys like Drought sun form? Would be fun imo

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 6:33 PM

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that would require giving it an ability it never had in the first place

velvet root Jul 22, 2025, 6:34 PM

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prime dust that would require giving it an ability it never had in the first place

Wouldnt be the first time happening

spice sage Jul 22, 2025, 6:43 PM

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velvet root Can we have the Castforms with diffrent hidden abilitys like Drought sun form? W...

You can fuse it with something that has drought!

tacit saddle Jul 22, 2025, 10:06 PM

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viscid fossil Cool But would there be a way to get like A sun form fused with a rain form

hmmm
if you get 1 castform...

nincada dupe -> make 1 castform sun -> box it -> make 1 castform rain -> box it -> fuse in boxes -> get fucked because you probably cant use it in battle because itll transform -> profit?

clear lichen Jul 22, 2025, 10:08 PM

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That implies that the Castform forms are becoming linked to the Pokemon itself

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Like Cherrim's form for example

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So what ability would Castform get itself?

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Adaptability would be funny

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Actually, Flower Gift is a fucking weird ass ability now that I'm looking at it

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Since it wasn't responsible for changing Cherrim's form in Gen 4

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But was in later gens

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But if it loses Flower Gift while Dynamaxed it doesn't change form?

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Man this game is confusing sometimes

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 10:22 PM

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clear lichen So what ability would Castform get itself?

forecast

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that is its ONLY ability

prime dust Jul 22, 2025, 10:23 PM

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clear lichen Man this game is confusing sometimes

not really, game mechanics are 5 unless a mon didn't exist back then in which case it uses 7

clear lichen Jul 22, 2025, 10:45 PM

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prime dust that is its ONLY ability

I know I'm not stupid

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I'm saying it should get Adaptability

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It'd be funny

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But yeah some forms are directly linked to an ability and others aren't

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So fuck it, make Castform's form changing linked to itself

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Because god fucking damn Castform needs some sort of buff

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 8:59 AM

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also it wastes 4 slots instead of 1

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Rotom didn't die for this

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:00 AM

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I wish they added the Cosmog line along with Necrozma

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Because now we're never gonna get either Dusk Mane or Dawn Wings

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You can't just fuse Solgaleo and Necrozma because those stats would be inconceivably worse than actual NDM

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Same for Lunala, Necrozma and NDW

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Thankfully nobody gives a shit about NDW anyways Lunala's better L bozo

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:02 AM

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I like the extra hands on Dawn Wings

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:02 AM

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In terms of stats its just worse

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The one niche it has over Lunala is like, Trick Room?

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But there's better mons for that job and TR isn't good in Singles anyways

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And also using NDW means you aren't using NDM

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Anyways design wise it's completely subjective but I prefer Lunala by a lot

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But it'd still have been nice to see NDW

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:03 AM

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what if Dawn Wings and Dusk Mane counted as different Pokemon though?

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like Ult Necrozma

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:04 AM

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fallen loom what if Dawn Wings and Dusk Mane counted as different Pokemon though?

If they were willing to do that, Kyurem Black and White and all the Rotoms would be in by now I'd imagine

velvet root Jul 23, 2025, 9:04 AM

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fallen loom also it wastes 4 slots instead of 1

Castform doesnt limit spriters with the forms tbf

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:05 AM

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does it matter? Castform is basically wannabe Rotom

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:05 AM

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fallen loom does it matter? Castform is basically wannabe Rotom

They aren't even remotely comparable

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One is a

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How do I put this

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Weather "Sweeper"

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And the other is a versatile Pokemon that can either go defensive or offensive with Scarf

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Unless you're base Rotom

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:06 AM

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why is IF stuck with base Rotom stats?

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Frog's logic for adding forms and excluding others is BS

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can't have that one Lycanroc form because of a guessing game

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:08 AM

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I think it's because of complications from not adding all at the same time

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If they wanted to add all Rotom forms the only time to have done so without things getting messy was when adding Base Rotom

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:08 AM

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I get Rotom would be a pain to sort out, but are there that many sprites that use Kyurem Black/White?

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:09 AM

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To my understanding at least

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:10 AM

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the issue with Rotom is base Rotom has a lower BST than the other forms

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I don't think it even gets the additional moves either

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like how no-one bothered to add in Tough Claws for Lycanroc and just kept them vanilla for the most part

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and I made MULTIPLE requests!

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:11 AM

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My main specific gripe is that they have a perfectly usable Quiver Dance TM

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And Oricorio can't use it

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Like c'mon let the dancer bird dance like it can in SV

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That and Spore Whimsicott

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That I am not elaborating on for the 50th time

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:12 AM

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don't even get me started with TMs. Why are so many just unavailable? There's no Rock coverage unless a mon learns Stone Edge through level up

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:12 AM

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Because it should be obvious why this is dumb from both balance and logic standpoints

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Spore is obtainable only through randomiser I think but then the question comes up of why the Showdown server lists it as a move Whimsicott gets

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Spore is straight up banned at least

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For reasons that I don't think I need to explain either

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:13 AM

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Showdown gets access to all the moves that the actual game doesn't

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:14 AM

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It's literally unobtainable unless you play some form of randomiser

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I don't think it should be allowed

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That's like saying Eternal Flower Floette should be allowed

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:14 AM

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I don't mean Spore

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I mean coverage like Stone Edge TM

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:14 AM

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fallen loom I mean coverage like Stone Edge TM

That's the same as Spore assuming Stone Edge is unob

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:15 AM

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it is

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but Spore has a good reason to be unavailable due to how broken it is

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:15 AM

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Which for being not a jackass to Rock types is nice

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But for being a simulator that's supposed to simulate the games

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I do have issues with it

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The logical solution is to make the balanced TMs obtainable and/or straight up remove the unbalanced ones

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That said I think the only thing that learns QD only via TM in Infinite Fusion is uhhh

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Aggron

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So yeah I think QD is safe

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Because ain't no way anyone is running QD Rhydon

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OK in my defence

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:17 AM

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Dazzling Gleam is also a rando only TM

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:17 AM

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Both of those Pokemon are Rock types

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And end with don

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And dinosaurs

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I did mean to say Aggron so idk why I typed Rhydon

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You wouldn't use QD on either, fused or not though

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:18 AM

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clear lichen And dinosaurs

With horns

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Rhydon's also a rhino

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:18 AM

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Rhydon is a rhino

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:18 AM

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As to why Aggron has horns despite only being a dinosaur

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I have no clue

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:18 AM

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fallen loom Rhydon is a rhino

It's a dinosaur rhino

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Ylnow there's some really strange Pokemon that have no obvious real life counterpart

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Like what is Slowbro supposed to be

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:20 AM

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Toxic Spikes and Dazzling Gleam should be in the game outside of rando

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:21 AM

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You won’t run QD Aggron

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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clear lichen Like what is Slowbro supposed to be

it's a giant salamander

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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But you could run a QD Aggron fusion

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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I dont see it tbh

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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safe depot But you could run a QD Aggron fusion

Yeah but why would you

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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Aggron has a very large special movepool

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Its not great but its something

fallen loom Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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for reasons

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:22 AM

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Like it has got to be a bottom tier Quiver Dance fodder even if it has a good movepool

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Like it's slow and has low SpA, you'd need some monster of a special attacker to salvage that

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Also has relatively low HP and SpD

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:23 AM

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clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:23 AM

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So your only good stats are Attack which is worthless for QD and Defence

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:23 AM

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You can make it work

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:23 AM

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safe depot

That could perhaps work but at the same time I feel like you should use other stuff than this

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60 speed is just pain

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Even if you're Quiver Dancing

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:24 AM

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clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:24 AM

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And 116 SpA is not worth the tradeoff for it

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Probably better than like

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Dustox

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Or something

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Idk

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:24 AM

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Its usuable

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:24 AM

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So it has that going for it at least

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:25 AM

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But you’re not someone to agree with are you.

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 9:25 AM

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safe depot But you’re not someone to agree with are you.

It's usable but like

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Nowhere near the best Quiver Dancer

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Not even remotely close

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So at that point the only reason to try to make it work is if you really really liked Aggron

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And if you're playing a playthrough, fair enough

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But the context here being competitive means that I really can't recommend using Aggron for Quiver Dance

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Honestly I don't even know if Quiver Dance is popular competitively

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Because I'm 100% sure Volcarona is banned

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And the other Quiver Dancers lack in stats and type

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Saying something works in playthroughs though is like saying you really should not go near a crocodile

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You're right, but that's obvious

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You could probably make even Castform work in a playthrough given you fuse it to something strong enough

quaint matrix Jul 23, 2025, 12:43 PM

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The beauty of Infinite Fusion is that you can literally make any Pokemon work well and make them strong and awesome

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The Faustian bargain in that though is that you will most likely just rotate around which specific strong Pokemon you wanna fuse with that one weak Pokemon to make them good

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You're not making your Luvdisc better by combining it with Smeargle or Bellossom after all

rain locust Jul 23, 2025, 3:13 PM

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clear lichen Honestly I don't even know if Quiver Dance is popular competitively

quiver dance is popular but the best qd users are mew, yanmega, and jynx

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

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I forgor Mew can learn every TM and that Jynx is also a dancer

rain locust Jul 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

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for clefable/mew, hydreigon/yanmega, and jynx/nidoking respectively

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

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That said Yanmega I wouldn't expect

rain locust Jul 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

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you get tinted lens oblivion wing which is good

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 3:14 PM

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At the same time though Yanmega is based so it deserves it

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I still need to push my Oricorio QD agenda

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I dont even know if it'll matter I just can't rest well if a Pokemon that gets QD in the main games doesn't get it here

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Yanmega is sad

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In base Pokemon

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Like it has Tinted Lens and Speed Boost but it just has awful coverage and a bad type so it doesn't even matter

rain locust Jul 23, 2025, 3:16 PM

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epic bug flying fail

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 3:16 PM

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I mean NU/RU/whatever is nice

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But it could've been better by a lot

rain locust Jul 23, 2025, 3:16 PM

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give it tail glow

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 3:17 PM

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I think it's RUBL in Gen 9 actually, it likes Tera

clear lichen Jul 23, 2025, 3:17 PM

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rain locust give it tail glow

Real

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Speaking of Bug types getting random ass stupid buffs Slither Wing should get Victory Dance

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This has nothing to do with PIF Hoenn

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I just want the funny physical land moth to get the funny physical moth dance

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In a more related topic to PIF Hoenn

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I hope that the absurd TMs (especially Spore) don't make it to Hoenn, rando or not

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Anyways I have clearly underestimated QD's distribution

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But I'm pretty sure the only Pokemon broken with it rn is what is quite possibly its most iconic user anyways

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So it's probably fine

silk cobalt Jul 23, 2025, 5:55 PM

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I hope my boy Relicanth can get some use somehow

full bison Jul 23, 2025, 5:58 PM

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STAB Rock Head Head Smash is a pretty neat feather in its cap

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Even better if the suggestion on making it be primary Rock works out and you can fuse it with something with better Attack and Speed

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Also if the Regi puzzles are kept the same, that's definitionally a use for Relicanth lol

dim sparrow Jul 23, 2025, 8:15 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-swoobat-gif-27580265

Tenor

velvet root Jul 23, 2025, 8:17 PM

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dim sparrow https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-swoobat-gif-27580265

Love that love bat

zenith token Jul 23, 2025, 8:20 PM

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kissy

full bison Jul 23, 2025, 8:22 PM

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Simple and Stored Power would be so fun to mess with if it got in

unique flame Jul 23, 2025, 8:44 PM

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dim sparrow https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-swoobat-gif-27580265

I once got Attract-flinch swept by an NPC swoobat and I've had mad respect for the thing ever since

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Also part of why I adamantly evenly split my teams' genders

summer apex Jul 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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damn now I kinda wanna do an attract / confuse / para / flinch mon with arena trap

tacit saddle Jul 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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aromatics are immune

summer apex Jul 23, 2025, 8:46 PM

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smelly

tacit saddle Jul 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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you? 🫵

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Smelly? 🫵

summer apex Jul 23, 2025, 9:06 PM

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I'm not aromatic

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Quagless

vocal pivot Jul 23, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Starmie the genderless goat

final nova Jul 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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hey guys do you know wheres bill

summer apex Jul 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Well he's not in hoenn

rancid nymph Jul 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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final nova hey guys do you know wheres bill

#gameplay-help

final nova Jul 23, 2025, 9:11 PM

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oh uh sorry

rancid nymph Jul 23, 2025, 9:32 PM

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summer apex I'm not aromatic

Then you must prove it by going on a date

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with someone else because 1. I don’t know how old you are and 2. I don’t know whether or not you’re a girl

safe depot Jul 23, 2025, 9:54 PM

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Swoobat is gonna be a lowkey really goated mon for Fusion

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Fast Flyer with Simple

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A lot of bad Hoenn and Unova pokemon are gonna be really good

tacit saddle Jul 23, 2025, 10:09 PM

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summer apex Well he's not in hoenn

LMAO

summer apex Jul 24, 2025, 12:19 AM

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rancid nymph Then you must prove it by going on a date

I was making a joke about a typo

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boohoo

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I am aromantic

rancid nymph Jul 24, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Look, it’s not my fault I can’t read

velvet root Jul 24, 2025, 6:50 AM

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rancid nymph with someone else because 1. I don’t know how old you are and 2. I don’t know wh...

Bro tries to date people here

rancid nymph Jul 24, 2025, 12:26 PM

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I said WITH SOMEONE ELSE

summer apex Jul 24, 2025, 2:30 PM

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notadatingsite

proud lion Jul 24, 2025, 2:40 PM

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Imagine if we get another new roster reveal marathon like last year before the whole Hoenn roster was revealed?

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I know it’s unlikely given the amount of mons we are getting but you never know what the frog gods are up to

clear lichen Jul 24, 2025, 2:41 PM

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proud lion Imagine if we get another new roster reveal marathon like last year before the w...

I'd imagine if it were to happen it'd be at either 750000 members or 1 million, but it doesn't seem likely to me

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I doubt we're reaching 1 million before PIF Hoenn

proud lion Jul 24, 2025, 2:42 PM

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Imagine they just shadow-add in Amolamola as 566

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Just for the funny

clear lichen Jul 24, 2025, 2:42 PM

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proud lion Imagine they just shadow-add in Amolamola as 566

I'm sure the competitive PIF players would notify us if that happens

proud lion Jul 24, 2025, 2:43 PM

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Current members is at 710,000+

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 3:10 PM

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proud lion Imagine if we get another new roster reveal marathon like last year before the w...

There could always be one of those leading up to the full release with the initial Hoenn Demo release serving as the intro to all the Hoenn mons, but I won't be holding my breath on that one.

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-# I still would like a surprise drop of the UBs tho

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 3:12 PM

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proud lion Imagine they just shadow-add in Amolamola as 566

I would unironically be OK with Alomomola. Spriters have proven they can work with a design adjacent to it, and it's got a ton of fun tools to work with in terms of building a strong Pokemon

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Water type with Scald, good HP, and Regenerator sound like the perfect recipe for some crazy tanks

safe depot Jul 24, 2025, 3:19 PM

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Stats aren't that great

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I imagine the high as fuck HP could lead to some interesting Minmax fusions like Blissey or Aggron. But that low special doesn't help

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I wonder how it + leafeon would turn out.

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 3:27 PM

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safe depot Stats aren't *that* great

They were good enough to get Alomo into Gen 9 OU after Pex was nerfed at least, so they're doing something right

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Water/Grass is a pretty solid type, too- I could see Alomomola/Leafeon being a pretty solid phys tank

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Also I can't really see Blissey fusing very well with Alomo. Blissey is already the queen of HP- fusing with Alomo would be redundant. Especially when Pex gives way more Defense and also has Regenerator

clear lichen Jul 24, 2025, 3:33 PM

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safe depot Stats aren't *that* great

Extremely high HP, Scald and Regenerator should give it a niche

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At least I'd assume so

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Doesn't have all the tools from later gens though, for example it won't have Flip Turn

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 3:36 PM

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In retrospect it's kinda crazy that Gamefreak made a U-turn clone for freaking water of all types. As if it needed to have another powerful option like that

craggy nexus Jul 24, 2025, 5:47 PM

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proud lion Imagine if we get another new roster reveal marathon like last year before the w...

The hoenn dex was the extra roster reveal it even ends in a derpy fish

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 5:48 PM

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I don't think I would call Relicanth derpy

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Just looks kinda sleepy

craggy nexus Jul 24, 2025, 5:49 PM

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safe depot Stats aren't *that* great

Theres a IF Nat dex tournament on YouTube that was basically dominated by doublade/alomomola cause it gets spectral thief via tutor

chilly knoll Jul 24, 2025, 5:49 PM

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To be fair relicanth is practically a living fossil

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 5:50 PM

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Relicanth also wasn't really a Pokemon I saw anyone be really averse to adding. If anything a bunch of spriters were really wanting to work with it

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The design potential is why I said that really stupid thing about how I would make a sprite of it fused with Rayquaza with a mural along its side

zenith token Jul 24, 2025, 7:42 PM

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clear lichen I'm sure the competitive PIF players would notify us if that happens

oh god, that would be so strong

zenith token Jul 24, 2025, 7:42 PM

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full bison Relicanth also wasn't really a Pokemon I saw anyone be really averse to adding. ...

hell, I'd love it in regard to the Hoenn game

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like, I obviously expect the Hoenn version to have the Hoenn Dex, but still

full bison Jul 24, 2025, 8:11 PM

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I just thought of something cool.

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You know how Relicanth and Wailord are the two Pokemon you need to have in your party to unlock the Regis?

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How cool would it be if a Relicanth/Wailord fusion had some braille writing on it alluding to the Regi puzzles?

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I would put this in the Sprite request channel, but I already have a request that was accepted and am waiting on

white meadow Jul 24, 2025, 8:54 PM

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I can't wait to fuse Honchkrow with Shiftry.

velvet root Jul 24, 2025, 9:15 PM

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white meadow I can't wait to fuse Honchkrow with Shiftry.

Does it have a fusion already? If no it becomes dissapointing

tacit saddle Jul 24, 2025, 9:23 PM

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summer apex I am aromantic

Youre stinky

velvet root Jul 24, 2025, 9:27 PM

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tacit saddle Youre stinky

https://tenor.com/view/handstand-stunky-skunk-pokemon-anime-gif-27404433

Tenor

summer apex Jul 25, 2025, 12:10 AM

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tacit saddle Youre stinky

Youre sinky

tacit saddle Jul 25, 2025, 12:10 AM

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summer apex Youre sinky

ok what do you think of my awesome cuffs

summer apex Jul 25, 2025, 12:10 AM

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rocks :)

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sino your nails are too long you need to bite them off

tacit saddle Jul 25, 2025, 12:11 AM

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i need to cut them actually

summer apex Jul 25, 2025, 12:11 AM

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I said

BITE

tacit saddle Jul 25, 2025, 12:11 AM

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or trim them

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NO

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I HAVE SENSORY ISSUES AND MY TEETH AND NAILS DON'T LIKE IT

ancient hearth Jul 25, 2025, 12:45 AM

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On my hands and knees praying for Zygarde to be added so I can fuse it with Necrozma and Scizor

full bison Jul 25, 2025, 12:50 AM

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If that's going to happen, it will be during a later roster update. This one is dedicated to the last Hoenn Pokemon

ancient hearth Jul 25, 2025, 12:51 AM

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Fair

open dagger Jul 25, 2025, 1:46 AM

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im feinding for pif hoenn

west shuttle Jul 25, 2025, 11:27 AM

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summer apex I said # **BITE**

Hum this message is pretty weird for a french person

elfin forge Jul 25, 2025, 1:01 PM

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Will we be able to use the transfer box in the Demo?

prime dust Jul 25, 2025, 1:30 PM

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unknown

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we don't even know if that will be ready for the demo

quaint matrix Jul 25, 2025, 3:56 PM

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full bison In retrospect it's kinda crazy that Gamefreak made a U-turn clone for freaking *...

Another one in my "Water is broken OP" agenda

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God forbid a struggling offensive type get that nooooooo

weak trellis Jul 25, 2025, 4:05 PM

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not that most bug types are the ones using U-turn as it is

full bison Jul 25, 2025, 4:06 PM

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U-turn is a Flying move that only got the Bug type cause Gamefreak was in a punny mood

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The literal translation of its Japanese name is Round Trip, which is the perfect name for a Flying move. But it has the characters for Dragonfly in it, so Bug it was.

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Though Flying types are pretty strong as is, so it's probably for the best that it isn't a Flying move

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Imagine how mad people would be if Lando-T had that move as STAB

weak trellis Jul 25, 2025, 4:09 PM

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untranslatable japanese puns and GF, a frequent combo

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(especially in gen 8, but far from exclusive to it)

muted venture Jul 25, 2025, 4:11 PM

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full bison Just looks kinda sleepy

hes an old guy cut him some slack

full bison Jul 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

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weak trellis (especially in gen 8, but far from exclusive to it)

The Goroawase stuff with the gym leaders in Gen 8 is at least a fun bilingual bonus you don't need to be too concerned about as opposed to entire moves feeling incongruent with what they should be

muted venture Jul 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

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tacit saddle ok what do you think of my awesome cuffs

wait sino thats what you look like?

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you look awesome dude

weak trellis Jul 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

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full bison The Goroawase stuff with the gym leaders in Gen 8 is at least a fun bilingual bo...

there is also the runerigus and basculegion stuffs too

full bison Jul 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Oh yeah those are extremely dumb

weak trellis Jul 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

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which comes across as complete nonsense if you don't know of the puns/context

full bison Jul 25, 2025, 4:13 PM

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The condition to get Runerigus feels like the unlock condition to reach the Chris Houlihan room more than an Evo method

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Also it should have been Ghost/Rock

tacit saddle Jul 25, 2025, 4:44 PM

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muted venture wait sino thats what you look like?

Tanks

muted venture Jul 25, 2025, 4:44 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/tank-you-thanks-thx-tank-gif-11214867188794065854

Tenor

velvet root Jul 25, 2025, 8:37 PM

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<@&306953740651462656>

winged bear Jul 25, 2025, 8:37 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/inspector-gadget-minecraft-minecraft-movie-brown-bricks-brown-bricks-in-minecraft-gif-11488613102745152145

Tenor

velvet root Jul 25, 2025, 8:37 PM

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👍

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It is in multiple chats too

molten loom Jul 25, 2025, 8:38 PM

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velvet root It is in multiple chats too

literally every channel they could

velvet root Jul 25, 2025, 8:38 PM

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Yeah

safe depot Jul 25, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Oh a spam bot

young wing Jul 26, 2025, 8:55 PM

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When is hoenn coming out

thin pawn Jul 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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When it's ready

random dragon Jul 26, 2025, 10:23 PM

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Hear me out, Manaphy/Victini/Shaymin land form, could change to sky form, but idk if thats a good idea. (also has even stats in base 100 in each)

velvet root Jul 26, 2025, 10:24 PM

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random dragon Hear me out, Manaphy/Victini/Shaymin land form, could change to sky form, but id...

I think something diffrent to Shaymin would work better

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Also hear me out Hoopa/Shaymin/Keldeo cuz all can do a form change

random dragon Jul 26, 2025, 10:38 PM

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can't wait to be x4 weak to flying and x4 weak to dark if the base is hoopa, then x4 weak to bug or x2 if hoopa unbound and x4 weak to ice

outer matrix Jul 26, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Remember that regiregi is 8x weak to fighting

prime dust Jul 26, 2025, 11:13 PM

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velvet root Also hear me out Hoopa/Shaymin/Keldeo cuz all can do a form change

that wouldn't work, since unbound gains stats

velvet root Jul 26, 2025, 11:14 PM

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Eh The Genetic triple or Nature triple had ddiffrences too

prime dust Jul 26, 2025, 11:14 PM

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shaymin has the same bst in both forms, but sky redistributes them

keldeo keeps its stats the same across both forms

elfin forge Jul 27, 2025, 3:59 PM

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I wonder if we'll get Mirage Spots from ORAS

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just did the math and if we did get those, we'd get an additional 32 Pokemon. Those would be the Glameow, Blitzle, Binacle, Munna, Darumaka, Kricketot, Vullaby, Dwebble, Tynamo, Roggenrola, Drilbur and Cherubi lines (I'm counting Overcast and Sunshine forms as 2 separate pokemon), aswell as Maractus, Audino and the Swords of Justice

odd hamlet Jul 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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Also Lake Trio

elfin forge Jul 27, 2025, 4:06 PM

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Must have missed them

odd hamlet Jul 27, 2025, 4:07 PM

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elfin forge Must have missed them

Understendable considering they're forgettable

elfin forge Jul 27, 2025, 4:08 PM

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I was using PokemonDB as my source and it didn't seem to include them

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Adding the DexNav mons would add these evolution lines too: Lillipup, Sewaddle, Tympole, Gothita, Shellos, Chatot, Pidove, Frillish, Skrelp, Clauncher, Throh, Sawk, Bouffalant, Skorupi, Deerling, Finneon, Alomomola, Frillish, Timburr, Druddigon, Cubchoo, Elgyem, Bronzor

velvet root Jul 27, 2025, 4:20 PM

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Nice multiple Elgyem

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How about we swap one with Skiddo just cuz why not

elfin forge Jul 27, 2025, 4:22 PM

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Just saw that lol

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Skiddo would be cool

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my most wanted in IF rn is Hippopotas

velvet root Jul 27, 2025, 4:31 PM

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Oh yeah the Hippo is awesome too

thin pawn Jul 27, 2025, 5:06 PM

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No

odd hamlet Jul 27, 2025, 5:28 PM

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elfin forge my most wanted in IF rn is Hippopotas

Hippo is one of my faves Sinnoh mons left
For me most wanted atm is Archeops.

rancid nymph Jul 27, 2025, 5:34 PM

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elfin forge just did the math and if we did get those, we'd get an additional 32 Pokemon. Th...

We're definitely not getting any of those Pokémon when PIFH releases, but mirage spots are a definite possibility

elfin forge Jul 27, 2025, 5:35 PM

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rancid nymph We're definitely not getting any of those Pokémon when PIFH releases, but mirage...

I didn't say they'd be available on day 1

velvet root Jul 27, 2025, 5:41 PM

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rancid nymph We're definitely not getting any of those Pokémon when PIFH releases, but mirage...

Saying that with such a certainty

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idk is that how you spell it?

full bison Jul 27, 2025, 6:08 PM

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I would personally put a 1/20 chance that we could get another roster update between the demo and the full game, but I won't be holding my breath for it

trail hull Jul 27, 2025, 6:11 PM

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That is very possible

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since it will likely takes some time to get the full game

outer matrix Jul 27, 2025, 6:15 PM

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It would probably be a small batch if that were to happen

trail hull Jul 27, 2025, 6:15 PM

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the smallest batch we got is 31 so maybe

outer matrix Jul 27, 2025, 6:17 PM

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I think it would be around 20-ish

trail hull Jul 27, 2025, 6:17 PM

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someone said that if we got all of the dexnav we would have 32 pokemons

thin pawn Jul 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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Why do people like hippowdon

full bison Jul 27, 2025, 7:05 PM

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Big intimidating hippo

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Also we could use more Sandstorm mons

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Ttar is amazing but takes forever to get

rancid nymph Jul 27, 2025, 7:06 PM

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thin pawn Why do people like hippowdon

Why don't you like Hippowdon?

obsidian elbow Jul 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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thin pawn Why do people like hippowdon

I like him ‘cause he was in the Hoopa movie

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And Hoopa is peak

full bison Jul 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

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I will say I absolutely hate how the 3D games handled Hippowdon, but I do overall like it

obsidian elbow Jul 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

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I do nothing based on stats, it’s all the aesthetics

full bison Jul 27, 2025, 7:09 PM

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I'm pretty middle of the road between stats and looks. The big reason I wanna see the UBs added so badly someday is that they have tons of both.

elfin forge Jul 27, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I used a shiny one in Violet

safe depot Jul 27, 2025, 11:10 PM

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I wish I had Hippo for the all rock team

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Those stats and an early Sand Stream would've been peak

thin pawn Jul 28, 2025, 2:27 AM

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rancid nymph Why don't you like Hippowdon?

Boring

clear lichen Jul 28, 2025, 2:31 AM

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thin pawn Why do people like hippowdon

Small (relative to a real Hippo, but still very big), intimidating and very, very angry hippo

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Also, has good stats and a rare ability in Sand Stream, while being the only non Rock type user of the ability

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And reliable recovery

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Not being a Rock type means that you don't have a bad defensive typing, but it also means no 1.5× SpD boost

full bison Jul 28, 2025, 2:33 AM

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I just wish the 3D model adapted the sand pouring out of it the same way they handled Torkoal's smoke. It looks so much less interesting without looking like it's crawling out of the sand it's spewing out

clear lichen Jul 28, 2025, 2:34 AM

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OK but how can it chase you down with bloodlust in Legends Arceus if it's busy bathing in sand

full bison Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Also this is a personal thing but Hippowdon has one of my top 20 favorite Pokemon cries. It does a good job of sounding intimidating

clear lichen Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 AM

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I will say I do like the sprite more than the model but I also like being chased down by a big and angry hippo

safe depot Jul 28, 2025, 3:21 AM

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Sand Stream is great, but not a fun ability for casual I admit.

Be really good in IF, imagine giving it a really good ability on offense or defense like Regenerator

full bison Jul 28, 2025, 3:32 AM

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Sand Stream is incredibly fun in casual. I'm speaking from experience from having done it in IF twice

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Turns out, Steel and Ground types are incredibly strong, and a weather effect that benefits them is amazing to work with

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Rock is okay in it too I guess

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It does get a nice special defense buff

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But it's also still Rock

thin pawn Jul 28, 2025, 3:40 AM

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full bison I just wish the 3D model adapted the sand pouring out of it the same way they ha...

All the sauce from 2D sprites was lost in the transition to 3D

ornate lava Jul 28, 2025, 2:35 PM

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rancid nymph Why don't you like Hippowdon?

Offhand I'm not that big a fan despite its cool design as it doesnt have anything really unique to it we havent already seen before from a ground type....

clear lichen Jul 28, 2025, 3:10 PM

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ornate lava Offhand I'm not that big a fan despite its cool design as it doesnt have anythin...

Sand Stream

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Bottom text

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It's also one of 5 fully evolved Ground types with reliable recovery

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Wait

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One of 6

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(With Gen 7 as context)

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Palossand with Shore Up, Quagsire and Gastrodon with Recover, Gliscor and Flygon with Roost and Hippowdon with Slack Off

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Wait I may have missed something

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Yeah, Torterra with Synthesis

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So that's 7

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Hippowdon out of these is the only one who is pure Ground type, hence it will always pass down Ground type

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It also probably has the best raw bulk overall

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That said, all of these Pokemon have at least 1 thing going for them compared to the others

thin pawn Jul 28, 2025, 3:23 PM

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I like Gen 9 quagsire

unreal sky Jul 28, 2025, 11:16 PM

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thin pawn I like Gen 9 quagsire

Do you mean Quagsire or Clodsire?

safe depot Jul 28, 2025, 11:46 PM

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clear lichen Palossand with Shore Up, Quagsire and Gastrodon with Recover, Gliscor and Flygon...

Hippowdon also has a way higher attack stat than all of those

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Its basically Donphan with a better movepool and recovery

full bison Jul 28, 2025, 11:49 PM

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Hippowdon would definitely be one of the more viable Sand Stream options defensively when compared to Ttar or Gigalith simply due to Ground being a better type than Rock

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Ttar is pretty much only competing cause it has high stats

safe depot Jul 28, 2025, 11:51 PM

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Honestly I think for an Ingame playthrough T-Tar is only really viable rn due to its Stats and Sand Stream

If other viable SS users are in the game. T-Tar would easily be the worst psuedo in IF

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 12:52 AM

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Man I want Hippowdon to be in this game so bad

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I'd dare say I want them more than like

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The Excadrill line

full bison Jul 29, 2025, 12:53 AM

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Best case scenario is ofc them both being added at once to be sand buddies

thin pawn Jul 29, 2025, 12:54 AM

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unreal sky Do you mean Quagsire or Clodsire?

We'll never know

zenith token Jul 29, 2025, 1:40 AM

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safe depot Honestly I think for an Ingame playthrough T-Tar is only really viable rn due to...

honestly, same

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especially in accessibility, since Hippopotas gets Sand Stream instantly

timid echo Jul 29, 2025, 1:40 AM

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i like hippowdons sexual dimorphism with the black and brown versions

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built ford tough

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 1:45 AM

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full bison Best case scenario is ofc them both being added at once to be sand buddies

Bug/Steel Excadrill heehee

velvet root Jul 29, 2025, 4:54 AM

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quaint matrix Bug/Steel Excadrill <:heehee:945800365457149992>

Scolidrill

warped rampart Jul 29, 2025, 5:32 AM

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First fusion I've ever made

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 5:33 AM

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That's a real cutie

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Are you gonna make more for the Linoon/Jumpluff evo line or just this lil guy?

safe depot Jul 29, 2025, 5:41 AM

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….Oh God Linoone with STAB E-Speed and Belly Drum is gonna be really interesting

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Imagine Linoone Garchomp. Normal Ground and now Linoone can deal with Steels while also having a higher attack stat

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 5:54 AM

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Normal/Ground underrated typing combo

lofty spindle Jul 29, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Hm... had the silly idea to play a hail-team for Hoenn, use fusion to get according abilities on non-ice-types.

safe depot Jul 29, 2025, 6:30 AM

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No Slush Rush so all you get is Evasion (“””fun”””) and Ice Body

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 6:32 AM

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Yeah Ice aren't as fun to play since we're Gen 8/9-locked and all the mons with Slush Rush are either not here yet (Beartic line) or just will never be (Alolan Sandslash, Gen 8/9 mons)

lofty spindle Jul 29, 2025, 6:32 AM

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Walrein will make an appearance though no?

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 6:33 AM

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That's why I said not here yet

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But even then it's still lacking in option

safe depot Jul 29, 2025, 6:33 AM

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Walrien doesn’t Have Slush Rush

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 6:33 AM

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Oh Walrein line don't even have Slush Rush nvm

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Yeah it's dire waters over here

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This all you got for Slush Rushers

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It's not as fun as Sand because just basically a lot of things in Pokemon probably have Sand Rush or Sand Veil

lofty spindle Jul 29, 2025, 6:36 AM

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Hang on Walrein doesn't even get it.

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Oh well you can also block damage with Magic Guard and uh... do we get Safety Goggles?

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 6:37 AM

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It's a Gen 6 item it's probably here

lofty spindle Jul 29, 2025, 6:41 AM

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You can make it work, and it's funny for a playthrough of sub-tropical Hoenn.

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 8:40 AM

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Wait I just realized

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Seedot

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We will finally have a new (word)(word) mon in Seedseed

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Venopog

safe depot Jul 29, 2025, 9:19 AM

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And

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With Nuzleaf

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We can get Leafleaf

white meadow Jul 29, 2025, 12:02 PM

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I'm so freaking stoked for PIF Hoenn.

full bison Jul 29, 2025, 12:14 PM

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quaint matrix We will finally have a new (word)(word) mon in Seedseed

With Solrock, we can also get Rockrock

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We can also get new Pokemon Ranger joke Fusions thanks to Numel and Camerupt (Camel)

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And Beautifly can fuse with Butterfree to become Butterfly

quaint matrix Jul 29, 2025, 12:49 PM

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I mean we already have Regirock but yeah

solar elbow Jul 29, 2025, 2:42 PM

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white meadow I'm so freaking stoked for PIF Hoenn.

same i need all the skitty fusions and mightyena fusions

prime dust Jul 29, 2025, 3:23 PM

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yall focusing on the wrong pokemon

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https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

Tenor

velvet root Jul 29, 2025, 3:34 PM

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prime dust yall focusing on the wrong pokemon

Exactly...

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https://tenor.com/view/skiddo-gif-5097647

Tenor

full bison Jul 29, 2025, 3:45 PM

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One day...

velvet root Jul 29, 2025, 3:46 PM

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full bison

What you mean I caught them in Pif fr fr

zenith token Jul 29, 2025, 3:46 PM

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prime dust https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

I need to make a challenge where I can only use a fusion of the Spheal line and another of the Wooper line when I can

outer matrix Jul 29, 2025, 5:46 PM

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velvet root What you mean I caught them in Pif fr fr

Proof? Smirkball

thin pawn Jul 29, 2025, 6:00 PM

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The nihilego fusions will be 𝓕𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

full bison Jul 29, 2025, 6:09 PM

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I really hope if we do get it, spriters don't just go the easy route and have it just be Nihilego sitting on everything's head.

weak trellis Jul 29, 2025, 7:06 PM

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I feel like that'd be a few joke sprites with the more humanoid mons but I can see the Glass asthetic taking priority for the heads

zenith token Jul 29, 2025, 7:22 PM

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I feel like at least one could do the reference to it possessing Lusamine

full bison Jul 29, 2025, 7:23 PM

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That's absolutely what will happen with Nihilego being fused with Gardevoir and/or Pheromosa

next flare Jul 29, 2025, 8:21 PM

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zenith token I feel like at least one could do the reference to it possessing Lusamine

Don’t underestimate the spriters heehee
There will be a LOT of references to that

peak galleon Jul 29, 2025, 8:21 PM

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peak

zenith token Jul 29, 2025, 8:25 PM

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full bison That's absolutely what will happen with Nihilego being fused with Gardevoir and/...

one of the two

thin pawn Jul 29, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Nhiliego fusions have the potential to be really pretty

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Not a lot of pokemon capture the ethereal beauty vibe like Nihilego does

peak galleon Jul 29, 2025, 8:50 PM

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ime xcited if theyre gonna add xurkitree :D

thin pawn Jul 29, 2025, 8:53 PM

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Christmas tree fusion

peak galleon Jul 29, 2025, 9:06 PM

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EXATCLY

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abomasnow and xurkitree

vagrant ferry Jul 29, 2025, 9:26 PM

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can’t wait to see the artwork for groudon kyogre fusions

tacit saddle Jul 29, 2025, 10:20 PM

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vagrant ferry can’t wait to see the artwork for groudon kyogre fusions

those already have sprites in game

vagrant ferry Jul 29, 2025, 11:07 PM

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tacit saddle those already have sprites in game

oh yeah you’re right lmao

rancid nymph Jul 29, 2025, 11:39 PM

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velvet root What you mean I caught them in Pif fr fr

https://tenor.com/view/my-source-is-that-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-senator-armstrong-senator-armstrong-nice-argument-gif-17825607843115168851

Tenor

thin pawn Jul 30, 2025, 2:26 AM

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I better see a Delphox Nihilego fusion where it has a massive hat

outer matrix Jul 30, 2025, 3:05 AM

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Time to play a small game: Guess the nihilego fusion I've made evil

shadow magnet Jul 30, 2025, 3:07 AM

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phione

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 3:10 AM

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thin pawn I better see a Delphox Nihilego fusion where it has a massive hat

The way Nihilego is set up all but guarantees that most Pokemon fused with it will have big hats

gray stream Jul 30, 2025, 3:14 AM

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shadow magnet phione

You win!!

thin pawn Jul 30, 2025, 3:31 AM

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full bison The way Nihilego is set up all but guarantees that most Pokemon fused with it wi...

Hell yeah

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 4:42 AM

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full bison I really hope if we do get it, spriters don't just go the easy route and have it...

Same tbh, I feel like Nihilego head fusions have a lot of potential outside of it just possessing the body fusion

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 4:50 AM

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Nihilego has the Potential to lead to some horror themed Fusions that the likes of Pinsir and Parasect could never fully embrace- the Uncanny Valley

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Just these ethereal, otherworldly beings that look almost like Pokemon, but just don't quite.

velvet root Jul 30, 2025, 4:52 AM

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I like the clown

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https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-bow-explode-gif-9902106803344117052

Tenor

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 4:53 AM

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Blacephalon would be great for Fusions too, but from what I've seen spriters seem to have zeroed in on the fun color palette more than any horror aspects. A different flavor than what I want out of Nihilego, but still an appreciated one

velvet root Jul 30, 2025, 4:54 AM

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I can see the head fusion becom horror cuz the colors arent scary

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 4:55 AM

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The big UB that has me wondering how the hell spriters could deal with is Celesteela. Head fusions would be fine, but the body proportions, especially its pinhead, seem like they would be irritating to work with

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Definitely a Pokemon designed with 3D in mind more than 2D

outer matrix Jul 30, 2025, 5:00 AM

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Ultra beasts are extremely fun to make fusions of imo

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 5:00 AM

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They're so different

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So many unique things that you can do with them that you can't get from any other Pokemon

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There's a reason why some fans want to see an entire region centered around these guys

outer matrix Jul 30, 2025, 5:05 AM

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full bison Blacephalon would be great for Fusions too, but from what I've seen spriters see...

Wait so is every ultra beast is designed to be creepy or is it just blacephalon?

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 5:06 AM

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Pretty sure the only ones designed to be creepy are Blacephalon, Nihilego, Guzzlord, and maybe Xurkitree but that guy is too goofy to be scary

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The rest are just designed to not look like they belong in Pokemon

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thin pawn Jul 30, 2025, 5:20 AM

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I don't like Xurkitree or Buzzwole tbh

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Even Pheramosa is kinda iffy

peak galleon Jul 30, 2025, 5:29 AM

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full bison

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-mrbeast-mrxurkitree-gif-9984008711675004103

Tenor

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 5:43 AM

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full bison Pretty sure the only ones designed to be creepy are Blacephalon, Nihilego, Guzzl...

I dunno if a massive swole mosquito just charged at a nearby truck and fucking pulverised it in a single punch I'd be shitting my pants

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 5:47 AM

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It's constantly flexing its muscles, even as the last action it takes before it goes unconscious, and lives in a jungle of flexing trees. Buzzwole is one of the goofiest UBs of the lot of them.
Also that puts it a little below Machamp on the strength scene cause the Pokemon world is cracked

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That being said I will relent that the scene of it absorbing a Snorlax like it was Cell in the anime was really freaky

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 6:14 AM

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full bison It's constantly flexing its muscles, even as the last action it takes before it ...

OK but if a buff mosquito flexed in front of you after pulverising a truck would you not be scared

quaint matrix Jul 30, 2025, 6:19 AM

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full bison Blacephalon would be great for Fusions too, but from what I've seen spriters see...

Eh give it some time

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I'm pretty sure it took awhile before horrorcore became Mr. Mime/Pinsir's main vibe overall

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 6:33 AM

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velvet root https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pok%C3%A9mon-blacephalon-bow-explode-gif-99021068...

If this mf was comperively viable i would have played the fuck out of this game

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I love him

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The best ultra beast

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Outside of the devour the world man

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Alsp not viable

carmine tulip Jul 30, 2025, 6:55 AM

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full bison I really hope if we do get it, spriters don't just go the easy route and have it...

please, we already have nihilego
(mawile+tentacruel)

carmine tulip Jul 30, 2025, 6:57 AM

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clear lichen OK but if a buff mosquito flexed in front of you after pulverising a truck woul...

mosquito which doesnt mainly attack by
biting you in a really annoying way?
improvement

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 7:14 AM

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median fox If this mf was comperively viable i would have played the fuck out of this game

Play Singles then

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It's like decent in Gen 7 and great in Gen 8

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 7:59 AM

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Singles is painfully boring to play for me

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I also just refuse to touch smogens offical anything cause i personally dislike how it functions

torn crane Jul 30, 2025, 10:42 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/hoenn-trumpets-pokemon-groudon-kyogre-gif-17232445

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weak trellis Jul 30, 2025, 12:47 PM

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imo singles has basically been an unplayable hellscape since gen 8 or so

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maybe since gen 5 if I'm feeling mean

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 12:47 PM

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weak trellis _maybe_ since gen 5 if I'm feeling mean

I didnt like singles in gen 2 nvm 5 or 8

weak trellis Jul 30, 2025, 12:48 PM

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oh right gen 2's is a thing

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imo the only singles meta I haven't seen anything bad about is 3's and maybe 4's

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 12:48 PM

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I am so heavily into synergizing the field and trick room and fancy gimmicks in doubles that like
Literally not a single form of singles will ever shy me away

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 12:48 PM

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VGC isn't looking particularly great either, considering Flutter Mane, Calyrex Shadow, and Urshifu are just allowed to run roughshod without Gamefreak doing anything to stop them

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 12:48 PM

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You could make singles the most balanced fair open mode ever and id still ignore it

weak trellis Jul 30, 2025, 12:48 PM

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yea doubles in general has a lot going on

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good thing IF has a way to make all battles doubles

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 12:49 PM

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full bison VGC isn't looking particularly great either, considering Flutter Mane, Calyrex S...

I still prefer it cause sometimes my trick room or goofy ahh strats work still as suprises and its funny every time

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I do hate urshifu still though

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First mon ive ever hated

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Only mon i truely hate

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One of only 3 characters in a competitive setting i hate

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Urshifu
Morrigan mvc3
Mauga (launch season)
And android 21 labcoat from dbfz

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4 characters

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 12:54 PM

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I dont hate many Pokemon as a casual fan

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But as a competitive fan?

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OK wait it's a lot shorter than I was imagining it'd be

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That said I fucking loathe Kingambit competitively

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 12:57 PM

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With how over pushed Urshifu is, I'm half imagining Gamefreak will eventually make some fast Fighting type Pokemon with Water Absorb like it could counter it, only to give Urshifu Mold Breaker as a HA with that same Pokemon addition

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 12:57 PM

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Kingambit should jump into a blender

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There's also Miraidon, Caly-S and Fucker Mane

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But my hate for Fucker Mane goes beyond competitive

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 12:58 PM

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I'm so scared for how Gamefreak will decide to handle the inevitable Ground/Fairy type. That's a Sword of Damocles and a half

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 12:58 PM

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Oh yeah, Sneasler and any Last Respects user too

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Dire Claw gambling is ass

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And Last Respects is uhh

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"Fair" and "Balanced"

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 12:59 PM

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Let's not leave Rage Fist out of this discussion

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Especially when Annihilape has a family of four helping out

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 12:59 PM

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full bison Let's not leave Rage Fist out of this discussion

It's a lot less egregious though

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In Singles I mean

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Like Primeape ain't much of an issue in higher tiers at all

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Meanwhile people were getting suspect reqs with Basculin in Ubers to prove a point

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And yknow what? Point proven

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I dont really struggle with Stall too much, especially not in Gen 9

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 1:02 PM

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Stall is nearly useless now with how hard everything hits

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Even Blissey has been knocked down in the tiers

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 1:03 PM

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It's been alternating between UU and OU for some time now

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It's still really good on Stall but no longer has a place outside of Stall

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Healing nerf and losing Toxic really hit it hard

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Oh, another Pokemon I hate competitively in some way

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Fucking RandBats Chimecho

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Chimecho is such a fucking piece of shit in RandBats

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It's not even funny

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If you're unlucky enough your opponent having Chimecho decides the match before it even begins

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And by unlucky enough I mean like

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50% at best

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 1:48 PM

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clear lichen Oh yeah, Sneasler and any Last Respects user too

Imma ve honest
I love both of these as gimmicks

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Theyre goofy
And like
Bascy my beloved

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I love my fish that wipes 5 people out

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Or that dies instantly

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 1:50 PM

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I simply can't bring myself to love a move that has a 17% chance to instantly KO a Pokemon

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Because that's basically what Sleep is

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And if it doesn't sleep you and cheese past you, no worries, it's still doing good damage

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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me with my weezing toadscruel

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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And maybe it'll even get a Poison or Paralysis

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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I just love sneaslers design honestly

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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It's also straight up unblockable

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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The move shouldn't be able to sleep

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 1:51 PM

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Without like

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Insomnia

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Or something silly like thay

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Ig Steel types too but like

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It's a Fighting type

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The only Steel type that could dare switch in on Sneasler is like Gholdengo or something

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It isn't Sneasler's best option by any means in Singles, Gunk Shot is more common for the sheer damage

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But I'd rather get obliterated in a single Gunk Shot than get slammed by a Dire Claw then have salt showered over my wounds by getting slept

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Dire Claw also allows it to have a chance to beat Unaware Dondozo

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Which is nutty

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 1:54 PM

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Gholdengo is another funny mon

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But its a frontrunner for my slower gimmick teams

clear lichen Jul 30, 2025, 1:55 PM

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I dont mind Ghold as much as most

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Like it's pretty hated for its good type and absurd ability

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But I don't mind it too much

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 3:05 PM

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Its signature move is baller to

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Shit can be a sweeper with 0 setup

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But like
I love gimmicky sets
King gambit
Last respects
Flamigo dondozo
Super dolphin

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Any trick room team

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Galarian wheezing teams

prime dust Jul 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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median fox Galarian wheezing teams

you mean

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https://tenor.com/view/doug-dimmadome-fairly-odd-parents-dimmsdale-dimmadome-gif-8035806

Tenor

midnight wharf Jul 30, 2025, 3:59 PM

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Been over a month since news Despair

quaint matrix Jul 30, 2025, 4:09 PM

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Look at this way

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At least you're not a Silksonger

fallen loom Jul 30, 2025, 4:24 PM

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silk what?

weak trellis Jul 30, 2025, 4:25 PM

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the sequel to Hollow Knight that's the latest Too-Long-Developmental Punchline like duke nukkem forever was in the 2000's

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 4:27 PM

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"coming soon" -trailer released several years ago

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The worst part is how much the Nintendo Partner Showcase happening tomorrow is getting hyped up, with IGN announcing it with a picture of Hornet, when this could likely be one of a thousand nothingburgers

weak trellis Jul 30, 2025, 4:55 PM

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as Yahtzee put it back in 2011: "I didn't say that Duke Nukkem forever wouldn't be released, I said it shouldn't be released because nothing it can do can live up to its years of potential!"

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I kinda see silksong the same way, hollow knight is great as a standalone game at least.

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 5:01 PM

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I don't mind that the game is taking so long, personally.
What annoys me is how Team Cherry refuses to say anything about it. It's maddening to have gone literal years of radio silence.

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Even during the Unity fiasco that had people scared for the state of the game, they said nothing

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And when they finally did say something, it was the whole cake thing that just felt like they were making fun of the people waiting for so long

viral ginkgo Jul 30, 2025, 5:32 PM

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FOR HOENN PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE MAKE SOME MORE COPYRIGHT PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

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obv i gotta name my very first zygaurd dih snake

thin pawn Jul 30, 2025, 5:50 PM

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I hope they add Zygarde that would be cool

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Hot take 50% is cooler than 100%

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 6:19 PM

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I wonder which would break the game harder- a Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde triple fusion that can go into Complete form, or a Solgaleo/Lunala/Necrozma triple fusion that can go Ultra

prime dust Jul 30, 2025, 6:29 PM

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the correct answer is Stunfisk/Bruxish/Luvdisc

full bison Jul 30, 2025, 6:31 PM

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Would genuinely be shocked if that never becomes a triple

opal trailBOT Jul 30, 2025, 6:33 PM

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dynoError Something went wrong.

summer apex Jul 30, 2025, 6:33 PM

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thank you deino

rancid nymph Jul 30, 2025, 6:34 PM

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full bison I wonder which would break the game harder- a Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde triple fus...

A Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza that can use double primal reversion and mega evolve heehee

random dragon Jul 30, 2025, 6:38 PM

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full bison I wonder which would break the game harder- a Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde triple fus...

Probably that first one, although, xernivelgard is x4 weak to fairy, and the ultra Necrozma one is x4 weak to dark, although xerneas’s geomancy may make it an uber, probably would have aura break tho

median fox Jul 30, 2025, 7:39 PM

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prime dust https://tenor.com/view/doug-dimmadome-fairly-odd-parents-dimmsdale-dimmadome-gif...

Damn right
turn one regigigas to the face

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 12:56 AM

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viral ginkgo FOR HOENN PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE MAKE SOME MORE COPYRIGHT PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

what the hell does this mean

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what does make more copyright mean

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do you know what copyright is

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 1:13 AM

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full bison I wonder which would break the game harder- a Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde triple fus...

Either way we win

viscid fossil Jul 31, 2025, 1:15 AM

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I personally think that we should get more copyleft.

torn crane Jul 31, 2025, 3:23 AM

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Pokemaaaaan

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:33 AM

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tacit saddle do you know what copyright is

💀 copyright is where you take smthn from other created content and use it in your own

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:35 AM

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viral ginkgo 💀 copyright is where you take smthn from other created content and use it in yo...

not what copyright is

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that's copyright infringement, technically

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:35 AM

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tacit saddle not what copyright is

alr then what is capoyright

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:36 AM

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copyright is the legal right to something. it's the legal protection saying someone owns something, like a concept or a product

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:36 AM

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legit what i said but fanceyer

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:36 AM

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no it isn't

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you said someone taking something from someone else's content or copyright. copyright is literally just the ownership

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:37 AM

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tacit saddle you said someone taking something from someone else's content or copyright. copy...

like i said copyright is where you use anothers made content and use it for your own intent withought the right

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:38 AM

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that's copyright infringement

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not copyright

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you can't just take the essential word away from the phrase and say that's what it is LOL man c'mon

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:39 AM

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alr so then how many diferant copyrights are there since copyright is know as copyright infrigment now

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:39 AM

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brother are you ragebaiting

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copyright and copyright infringement are 2 different things

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:39 AM

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nah

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:39 AM

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they have to do with each other but they're different

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:39 AM

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why would i raigbait

tacit saddle Jul 31, 2025, 3:39 AM

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yeah you're ragebaiting

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there's no way someone is this inept at understanding copyright

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:40 AM

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also grifith did absolutly nothing wrong its all grifith

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 3:40 AM

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I like this ragebait it's a lot more innocent and funnier 10/10

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:40 AM

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fr

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so on a scale from 1 to 10 how is my rage bait gonna work against a 6 year old

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 3:43 AM

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I don't think 6 year olds will comprehend what the ragebait is about so 1

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:43 AM

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alr

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 3:43 AM

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But it's better than most online ragebaits nowadays so maybe I'll bump it to 4

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:44 AM

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wez go

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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wait are they adding hoenn to the base game or is hoenn a new game

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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whole new game

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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will save data transfer

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or can we at least transfer pokemon

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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new game not base

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its another PIF not the first but thi will be a 2nd no transfer data has been show as availeble

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if so wouldnt that be to good?

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like keeping all your mons would be unfair for the whole game

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 AM

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viral ginkgo like keeping all your mons would be unfair for the whole game

tru

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also will there be pif games for future gens as well

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 AM

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BUT

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 AM

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and eventually the holy grail

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 AM

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think about it

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 AM

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pif for all gens combined

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a dream

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 AM

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thats gonna be a living hell

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:07 AM

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2.1 million possible fusions

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:07 AM

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imagine the time it would take for all the fusions

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:07 AM

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and the number of possible teams

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:08 AM

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alr but js imagine

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:08 AM

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8.6 * 10^37

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:08 AM

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zygaurd yveltal and xerneus fused as 1

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:08 AM

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more possible team compositions in pif ultimate than grains of sand on the earth

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:08 AM

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viral ginkgo zygaurd yveltal and xerneus fused as 1

Fairy Aura/Dark Aura/Power Construct maybe?

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:08 AM

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its a dream

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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That kinda sounds like a massive pain to fight actually

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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usually all leg trio's have tri fusions

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OBV FKING GIOVANI WILL HAVE IT

carmine tulip Jul 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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carmine tulip 8.6 * 10^37

thats 86000000000000000000000000000000000000 possible teams

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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so hang on

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1254 pokemon

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4652 fusions 😮

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then

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:11 AM

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"I don't know if this Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde will have Fairy Aura or Power Construct"
The opposing Pokemon is radiating a Dark Aura
"Shut up"

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:11 AM

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22572 teams

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bro its gonna go like this

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"oh shi not again not another godly power fusion" "you might have beat me last time but no tthis time" "I KNOW THAT DUMBASS"

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its gonna be so anoying to fight Azusob

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Actually wait what beats Geomancy/Moonblast/Earth Power/Roost (or Toxic if you're that worried about Shedinja)

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Phasing I guess?

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Paralysis or Toxic work too unless it's running Aromatherapy or Substitute

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:14 AM

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absolutly nothing would be able to beat that fusion like the streangths would be off the chart

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:14 AM

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You can also run like, Heat Wave for Flying/Steel

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:14 AM

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let alone how all the types remove all the weaknesses

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:14 AM

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clear lichen Actually wait what beats Geomancy/Moonblast/Earth Power/Roost (or Toxic if you'r...

a bug steel fusion

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:15 AM

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zenith token a bug steel fusion

Loses to Heat Wave

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It has a lot of options

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In that last slot

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Heat Wave, Roost, Dark Pulse, Aromatherapy, Substitute, heck maybe you could even run Oblivion Wing or something idk

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Shit, run fucking Ingrain so that you don't get cooked by Roar

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I dont fucking know

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:16 AM

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alr js imagine a thousand arrows geomancy oblivian wing and roar

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i would be shitting my pants

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Thousand Arrows is physical

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Thankfully Fairy Aura announces itself, so you know if you're gonna be here for the next 10 days chipping down a Zygarde Complete fusion or about to get nuked by Moonblast

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:17 AM

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alr hangon

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i just thought of somthing

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:17 AM

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Ig Zygarde's SpA isn't that good so that's a saving grace

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But like this is a mixed attacker

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:17 AM

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they PHYSICLY cant make that fusion you cant win if it uses ingrane

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:17 AM

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It may just roll up with Ddance or Coil or something and cook you

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:17 AM

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1 swords dance your getting your cheeks rocked into next tuesday

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:18 AM

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Seems like it'd be a pain to fight ngl

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Well, at least the concept of a physical Fairy move that isn't shit doesn't exist

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Fuck Play Rough

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Fraud move

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:18 AM

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I'm quickly learning that this Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde(complete) triple fusion I thought of would most certainly be AG because holy hell it has so many OP options

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:19 AM

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a pain is being rude bro that thing is gonna have me grabbing 3 meals 17 water bottles and possibly a whole mall bc ima be there for atleast a year'

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:19 AM

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I cant wait to miss 5 times in a row and then finally land a hit to do average damage at best

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:19 AM

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viral ginkgo let alone how all the types remove all the weaknesses

I mean, I'm assuming you mean type weaknesses, in which case it'd be quad weak to fairy, 8x weak to ice and still weak to steel if every type is combined

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:19 AM

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zenith token I mean, I'm assuming you mean type weaknesses, in which case it'd be quad weak t...

Presumably, it only takes 1 type from each component

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I'd expect Fairy/Dark/Dragon or Fairy/Dark/Ground

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:19 AM

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zenith token I mean, I'm assuming you mean type weaknesses, in which case it'd be quad weak t...

thats fair but like bro the typings remove alot of the options

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:20 AM

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If it's the latter, that's gonna be a pain to stop defensively

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Heck either ways it's gonna be a pain to stop defensively

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Imagine Fairy/Flying/Ground gets picked out for some inexplicable reason, meaning Ground immunity and STAB Oblivion Wing on top of everything

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:21 AM

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OMFG IMAGINE SHEDINGA/ZYGAURD

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OR MAYBE SHEDINJA/XERNEUS

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Wonder Guard sets HP to 1 no matter what the actual HP stat is

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:21 AM

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It'd still have 1 HP

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The devs made it so that any Pokemon with Wonder Guard has 1 HP, and it isn't exclusive to Shedinja anymore

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:22 AM

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that bastard in the johto reigens ghost gym leader changed my idea of 1 hp

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add 1 singuler fucking focus sash and the battle is done

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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I mean

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Quick Claw Refrigerate Fury Attack

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Little known fact, if Shedinja's HP wasn't hard coded it would be like 112 with minimum IVs and EVs

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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that'd deal with the Zygarde fusion

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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I like Zygarde

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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zenith token Quick Claw Refrigerate Fury Attack

Quick Claw is with Fury Attack as your option is crazy

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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peak dih snake

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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Wait, didn't see the context

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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clear lichen Little known fact, if Shedinja's HP wasn't hard coded it would be like 112 with ...

What how

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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Zygarde Complete fused with Yveltal into a Ground/Flying HP sponge with Oblivion Wing sounds like an actual war crime thinking on it more

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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obv

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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thin pawn What how

Base HP isn't equal to the actual HP of a Pokemon

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Same with all the other stats

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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full bison Zygarde Complete fused with Yveltal into a Ground/Flying HP sponge with Oblivion...

Welcome back, Lando T

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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Shedinja is a special case where its HP is coded specifically to be 1

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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but how it would look is absolutly IN FUCKING SANE

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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clear lichen Quick Claw is with Fury Attack as your option is crazy

first thing on my head to deal with Zygarde and Shedinja in any context

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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clear lichen Base HP isn't equal to the actual HP of a Pokemon

Awesome

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:25 AM

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Shedinja really holds back the speed, though

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Just like

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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shedinja has the highest speed in the game dosnt it?

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Hit it with a SE move

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It'll fold instantly

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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That's Ninjask

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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viral ginkgo shedinja has the highest speed in the game dosnt it?

Ninjask

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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mm

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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thin pawn That's Ninjask

That isn't even Ninjask

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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And also no now Regieleki is the fastest

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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yeah

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Except in the context of IF it is

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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I hate Regieleki so much

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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xerneus and yveltal would be crazy

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Because I forgot Deo-S will never exist ever

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Shedinja's slow as shit

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:26 AM

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Regidrago too

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Bad pokemon

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They shouldn't exist

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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thin pawn I hate Regieleki so much

pick one regi drago or regi eleki

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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Neither

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Throw them both in the trash compactor

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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lol

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OMG THE FUSION

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ALL THE REGIS

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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Regieleki is a massive fraud, imagine needing Tera to carry all your viability

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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viral ginkgo ALL THE REGIS

Slow Start

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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DRAGO ELEKI ROCK STEEL ICE

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gigas

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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It doesn't fit in with the rest of the regis

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:27 AM

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(Mild overexaggeration it'd still be like idk RU or something without Tera)

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:28 AM

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There is no Dragon or Electric age

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There is ice stone and steel ages

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Bad

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No good

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:28 AM

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I find it funny how after a decade of powercreep, the Aura Trio still have some of the most cracked moves in Pokemon history. We've got two Quiver Dances in one, a comically powerful life drain move, and Gravity but it does tons of damage

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:28 AM

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im talkin about all the regi's fused

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:29 AM

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viral ginkgo DRAGO ELEKI ROCK STEEL ICE

8x weak to ground and fighting

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We did it

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:29 AM

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full bison I find it funny how after a decade of powercreep, the Aura Trio still have some ...

nuclear fairy type the most anoying little life stealer and the hardest undying bastard to kill

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:29 AM

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full bison I find it funny how after a decade of powercreep, the Aura Trio still have some ...

I just think they're neat

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Yveltal is kinda lame

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But other than that they're cool

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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If only XY had an actual storyline where they could be properly utilized

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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thin pawn Yveltal is kinda lame

you dont understand how stupidly OP oblivion wing os

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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If only XY were good games

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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viral ginkgo you dont understand how stupidly OP oblivion wing os

Just because it's strong doesn't mean it's not lame

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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thin pawn If only XY were good games

HES RAIG BAITING

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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It's still kinda boring

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:31 AM

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viral ginkgo HES RAIG BAITING

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

Tenor

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:31 AM

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thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:31 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/shangri-la-frontier-emul-crying-face-shangri-la-frontier-emul-crying-face-gif-14931588590870175395

Tenor

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:31 AM

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YES SLF

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:32 AM

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We got "Fairy Resist or you're screwed," "Guess the set: Death bird edition" and "I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE!!!"

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Anyway Zygarde is cool

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And 100% form is kinda lame

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Should've been like a dragon or something not just a guy

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:32 AM

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thin pawn 8x weak to ground and fighting

with regigigas, 16x

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:32 AM

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we got "ima kill this whole country by sparkling" "IM THE REPERS PIGION" "just kill me already PLEEEEEEEEEASE"

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:33 AM

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zenith token with regigigas, 16x

fastest fight ever

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:33 AM

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zenith token with regigigas, 16x

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

Tenor

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:33 AM

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Funny how between the Two Triple Fusions I thought of for the thought experiment of which would be more overpowered, the answer wasn't the one who would end up with stats that were objectively better than Arceus on every front lol

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Geomancy combined with a ludicrous HP stat to absorb hits is just too good

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:33 AM

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omfg imagine the creation trio's

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:34 AM

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Paldiatina is here and it's ok by legendary standards

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:34 AM

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ogerpon is peak creation

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:34 AM

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I doubt any trio could come close to Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:35 AM

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fr

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:35 AM

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viral ginkgo ogerpon is peak creation

This is just wrong

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:35 AM

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the weaknessees would be insane

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:35 AM

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Solgaleo/Lunala/Necrozma with the ability to go Ultra would be pretty crazy too, especially if it gets Shadow Shield, but Geomancy is just too good

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:35 AM

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I want the Gen 7 legendary trio fusion so bad

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It would kick so much ass

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:36 AM

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It could look so damn cool

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:36 AM

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fr

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:36 AM

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For real

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 4:36 AM

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I just want Lunala tbh I fucking need Lunala in this game

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:37 AM

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especially if it's a boss fight and it rolls Slow Start

zenith token Jul 31, 2025, 4:37 AM

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viral ginkgo fastest fight ever

meant to reply here

viral ginkgo Jul 31, 2025, 4:38 AM

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clear lichen I just want Lunala tbh I fucking need Lunala in this game

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 4:48 AM

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thin pawn 8x weak to ground and fighting

Even better- he said all the Regis fused. This means adding Regigigas to the mix too. That means we could have a Pokemon that's 16× weak to Fighting

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Thing would die to a Focus Blast missing

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Machop existing within 200 feet of it and it's immediately bedridden

thin pawn Jul 31, 2025, 4:54 AM

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Dying to focus blast missing is genius

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 6:15 AM

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full bison Even better- he said *all* the Regis fused. This means adding Regigigas to the m...

We need Ghost and Flying type Regis to fix this issue, surely

safe depot Jul 31, 2025, 7:07 AM

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Shuckle used Karate Chop

The Regi died

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 7:10 AM

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The average Defence of the Legendary Giants is 110

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Their average HP is 105

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Thus, we can conclude...

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252+ Atk Choice Band Shuckle Karate Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regigigas: 320-378 (77.2 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
... That Shuckle is a weak ass motherfucker

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But we already knew that

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We can also conclude that yeah no taking 16× damage from any move kinda fucking sucks

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I'm not entirely sure if I expected this or not

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Because on one hand, 10 Attack with a 50 BP move

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On the other, 16× damage multiplier

safe depot Jul 31, 2025, 7:16 AM

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Karate Chop is a high crit move

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 7:16 AM

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That's still only like 1 in 8 I think

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More often than not it'll tank

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To further this point, this calc may not be entirely accurate

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Because RegiRegi uses the highest stats from each titan, not the average

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So if all were fuse together, it'd have an absolutely monstrous stat spread of...
HP: 200
Attack: 160
Defence: 200
SpA: 100
SpD: 200
Speed: 200

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With a BST of 1060, it is only 65 points shy of Eternamax Eternatus

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That said, L type lmao

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Check this shit out

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252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regigigas: 1392-1640 (230.4 - 271.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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252 Atk Garchomp Bulldoze vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regigigas: 675-795 (111.7 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

solemn patio Jul 31, 2025, 7:27 AM

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ok nerd

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 10:21 AM

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Tangent but do you guys think the new Regis having those names got those names because of the fact the names it would get is too obvious

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Like it could've just been Regielectro and Regidragon but instead we got those names

trail hull Jul 31, 2025, 10:36 AM

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the design and naming philosophy might have changed

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 11:54 AM

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I'm just wondering what they plan to do when they inevitably try to expand to Regis with 200 Attack and Special Attack. No way they just... Let them have stats like that with no strings attached, right?

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:09 PM

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full bison I'm just wondering what they plan to do when they inevitably try to expand to Re...

They're gonna have 50 Speed and 50 in their Special/Physical defence respectively

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Mark my words

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 12:20 PM

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Well we haven't had the equivalent of 150/150 offense so far as well

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I bet Water will get the 150/150 offense stats because it's Water

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:21 PM

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quaint matrix I bet Water will get the 150/150 offense stats because it's Water

OK, but then it'd have 80/75/75 bulk with 50 speed

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So it's still gonna not be worth because it's slow frail and mixed

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 12:21 PM

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That'd be a win for me

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heehee

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 12:21 PM

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I mean we do have deoxys but no inverted registeel

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 12:21 PM

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On a more serious note I think either Fire or Dark will get inverted Registeel

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Just because them being frail slow mons is pretty common I think

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:23 PM

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I feel like Fire and Water will be the Attack and SpA oriented ones

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By I feel

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I mean I want

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 12:23 PM

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I always imagined, in keeping with the "periods of time" theming, a 200 Attack Regi would be Fighting and based off the bronze age, Special Attack would be the Renaissance age and be Psychic, and a 150 offenses one being after the end and be Ground type

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:23 PM

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Because I want silly calcs

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 12:23 PM

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Realistically I think Water will get the 200 HP

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Just because I think it'd match the Kanto Eeveelutions lol

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:23 PM

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quaint matrix Realistically I think Water will get the 200 HP

Regidrago

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 12:23 PM

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Well the distribution would still be different

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They just both happen to have 200 HP

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6 types in and you already filled up the stats that get 200 best you got is just the redistribution of the rest of the stats

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:25 PM

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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fire Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Sun: 294-346 (58.3 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 654-770 (100.3 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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(Both Pokemon have been given 200 as their offensive stats)

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This is the sort of silly shit I want to see

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It won't be practically because they'll be slow and frail

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But god it'd be funny

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The one that's mixed and frail on both sides can be Ice

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Wait Regice exists

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Darn

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Wanted to make an Ice type joke

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But it's already made for me

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 12:27 PM

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It was pretty good in old gen Singles tbf

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200 SpD is no joke even if its saddled with Ice

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 12:27 PM

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quaint matrix It was pretty good in old gen Singles tbf

OK but we aren't in old gens anymore

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So unfortunately for Regice it will be known as a fraud from now on

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By now I mean like

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A while back

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Like over a decade ago

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Maybe even over 2 decades I dunno I'm too lazy to check release dates and shit

prime dust Jul 31, 2025, 12:58 PM

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clear lichen Maybe even over 2 decades I dunno I'm too lazy to check release dates and shit

2 decades is correct

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full bison Jul 31, 2025, 1:06 PM

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prime dust

Man I feel old

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 1:07 PM

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yea 2005 was emerald, at least in the US

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either april or may, forget which but I know that was my summer game that year

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 1:25 PM

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prime dust 2 decades is correct

I dunno it wasn't that massive of a fraud in Gen 3

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Still only slightly less than 2 decades

rancid nymph Jul 31, 2025, 2:00 PM

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full bison Man I feel old

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

Tenor

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 2:06 PM

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odd tangent but I forget how quickly gen 4 put rampardos and electivire on Fraud Watch but I think the former got it basically instantly while the latter took a while rofl

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 2:10 PM

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Electivire had so many people who didn't realize how ass it was that it was still in OU by the time the cutoff date arose, leaving it permanently in a tier it's not strong enough for

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That's probably the biggest flaw in Smogon's tiering methodology - stuff like that is prone to happening

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 2:14 PM

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even after they put in an Obvious Rule Patch after the emboar/I Have A Bad Team incident

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I remember that also happening to ambipom in the lower tiers as well

clear lichen Jul 31, 2025, 2:17 PM

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full bison That's probably the biggest flaw in Smogon's tiering methodology - stuff like th...

The NatDex Mega Banette incident

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 2:26 PM

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full bison That's probably the biggest flaw in Smogon's tiering methodology - stuff like th...

It's confusing that these specific old gens all got hit by the "welp we don't tier anymore they're stuck there" and yet Gen 1 Singles is still lovingly crafted/constantly iterated on

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Kanto Agenda so strong it infects Smogon

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 2:26 PM

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clear lichen The NatDex Mega Banette incident

"guys, you don't understand! It has Prankster! That's one of the best abilities in the series!"
"But what status moves does it have to abuse it with?"

quaint matrix Jul 31, 2025, 2:27 PM

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Like don't tell me Electivire somehow is still just stuck in Gen 4 OU yet Gen 1 Slowbro after years of being OU is now UU like????

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 2:40 PM

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"...destiny bond?"

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unless that was Unbound just being Unbound rofl

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 9:27 PM

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weak trellis "...destiny bond?"

The fact that one of Mega Banette's best uses of its abilities is dying and taking something along with it really says everything about it's quality as a Mega

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Quagless

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alright off topic but

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I was going to post a "true" emote but I got this instead

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trubgun

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 9:28 PM

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weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 9:29 PM

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thanke

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 9:29 PM

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Apparently it's a sticker

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 9:29 PM

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actually what mega is actually the worst because I'm guessing it's between two

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(well in main series, in GO it's unquestionably audino's ROFL)

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checks* going by smogon's tiers seems like it's audino's in main series too

full bison Jul 31, 2025, 9:30 PM

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Mega Audino is pretty garbage, yeah

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It's trying to be a VGC Cleric, but everyone in VGC either used Mega Rayquaza or Mega Kangaskhan instead

weak trellis Jul 31, 2025, 9:31 PM

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full bison The fact that one of Mega Banette's best uses of its abilities is dying and taki...

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