#pif-hoenn-discussion

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velvet root
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Weight yes
Size im okay with

clear lichen
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Except someone did an entire calculation using Wailord's exact body shape and it was slightly denser than air

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Because as it turns out Wailord is not a cube

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But that's still preposterous

velvet root
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Tbf Wailord is inspired of a Blimp

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And Wailmer is a beach ball

sterile spoke
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I suspect that even if this isn't the case initially, we'll get there in the end. 🙂

thin pawn
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Groudon isn't that big either

clear lichen
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Despite the fact that the only time anyone brings it up it's Groudon

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Like Groudon could be any theropod it's not like we know what they look like outside of their skeletons

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And I'd imagine there's at least one that's close to Groudon's height

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Meanwhile Kyogre is literally just an orca at half the length

thin pawn
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Pokemon sizes are dumb

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The Pokedex is dumb

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I hate pokemon

velvet root
weak trellis
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pokemon in general falls apart when you try to apply logic to it rofl

viscid fossil
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Remember: the 7th heaviest pokemon is mudsdale, which is just the weight of a regular horse.

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The indian elephant with metal plating is lighter than a horse.

velvet root
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Maybe the elephant has some air sacks in its body

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Wouldnt be the first animal to have that

weak trellis
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the times when it tries to run real world logic/physics on something stands out like a sore thumb yea

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especially when your weight cap (barring GO) is 9999.9kg

full bison
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The fact that the only two Pokemon to hit that weight cap are a huge bamboo rocket ship and a tiny ball

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(I know Cosmoem is supposed to be a neutron star but it's still funny, especially with how many people have casually carried it around)

weak trellis
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I feel like cosmoem would have a weight of either "???" or "infinite" if they could get away with it

full bison
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Powerscalers would go crazy with Ash becoming one of the strongest Shounen protagonists overnight

thin pawn
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Feels like the Pokedex runs entirely on Rule of Cool

full bison
faint crypt
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daily

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$daily

hot flame
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Wrong server

thin pawn
full bison
# thin pawn What

Cubone dead parents, dead people like Yamask, dead children like Phantump, child killers like Drifloon and Litwick, etc.

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Pokedex gets really messed up

weak trellis
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outside of cubone it's mostly the ghost types (and in gen 7, mega evos) that contribute there lol

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in fact it's probably easier to list the ghost types that aren't Always Chaotic Evil in the pokedex entries lol

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(Golett's line, Dragapult's line, most of the ones that evolve from non-ghost types (that aren't froslass) and G-Corsola/Cursola, gimmighoul Gholdengo, maybe sableye and shedinja, I feel like I'm forgetting one though)

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dragapult's in particular is great because the entries carry the general tone of "...I don't think this thing realizes it's ghost or dragon type and that's probably for the best."

full bison
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Then Gholdengo turns out to be a pretty chill guy, so they're an odd case

viscid fossil
full bison
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The official website also shows us a video of Greavard passively absorbing someone's life force without intending to when the Pokedex says nothing bad about it, so I guess whoever is in charge of the Pokemon YouTube channel wants Ghosts to be strictly known as a bad type to be around

weak trellis
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...thanks for pointing out that error, fixed that lol

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I think pumpkboo's the reverse but I could be wrong on that

full bison
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Pumpkaboo is a cute little guy who allows lost souls to rest in peace. Gourgeist is literally a sadist.

viscid fossil
full bison
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It is pretty annoying how many Ghost Pokemon play the exact same "it will kill you and eat your soul" line. It was freaky at first, now I'm just waiting for them to do something different

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Ghosts for me peaked in horror at the Chandelure line and Gengar's "there's no escaping it. Give up." Line.

weak trellis
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yea there's a reason why I appreciate the ones that take it in another direction like Golurk and Dragapult

thin pawn
granite latch
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im just saying nobody gets bored in a zombie apocalypse and says "do you guys only know how to eat brains" like yeah, sucking out souls is what ghost Pokemon do

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chandelures my goat

velvet root
white meadow
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I really like Marshadow, a shadow boxer that just wants to copy martial artists.

velvet root
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I really hate Marshadow, a wanna be Darkrai that stalks people for no real reason

white meadow
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Can't wait to see what newly added Hoenn pokemon would look fused with Darkrai

weak trellis
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marshadow? Lemme check

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signature move name aside fair enough I'd count that as another exception

full bison
thin pawn
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I hope they add the Gen 10 mythic

velvet root
full bison
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I dread to imagine how fast Nintendo would be on this server's ass if we did have someone leak the Gen 10 Dex and spriters just had at it

thin pawn
rancid nymph
velvet root
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I hope they dont do the Skylander move that ends up with every mon is behind a paywall

viscid fossil
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don't give them ideas

granite latch
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oh havent

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yeah

thin pawn
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I hope they keep locking mythicals behind owning other games

prime dust
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a $450 paywall plus another $80 paywall for the game itself

hexed agate
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By that standard everything in life is paywalled

prime dust
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well yeah, Life is a PTW game

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always has been

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great graphics though

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shame we can't really do much to level up or customize our stats

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and that 18 year long tutorial is pain

tacit saddle
weak trellis
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IRL? eh, that's one of those games that's better to watch than to play imo, good graphics but that's about it

viscid fossil
prime dust
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actually it is easy to process atoms

water physics on the other hand

tacit saddle
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the devs saying that most of the ocean is unexplored is just a lazy excuse to NOT make ocean content

weak trellis
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dumb air breathing mechanics they added in as a hotfix to make sure we didn't see the unfinished content shakin my head my head

prime dust
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no they finished the ocean content, and by finished i mean they hit the random button a bunch of times to create nonsense phimsch

what they never got around to was space content

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they got it running procedurally generated

tacit saddle
full bison
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The contest type poll seems to have stopped at 29 entries, and has 3 whole ties left to vex me. Floral Healing between Cute and Beauty, Psychic Fangs between Smart and Cool, and Trop Kick between Beauty and Tough.

velvet root
thin pawn
tacit saddle
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OHHH WHAT A BABYY

thin pawn
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So I've heard

hexed agate
tacit saddle
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No

hexed agate
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Ok

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Join me for brewing a bunch of yerba mate then

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I am making 3L of it, should I add 2.5 limes to all of it or save it for like, 1-2L¿

tacit saddle
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Add all

hexed agate
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I'm trusting you

tacit saddle
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This was not up to me btw you have free will

hexed agate
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And it's my will to blame you for whatever happens next

tacit saddle
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:(

copper rover
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What is pif hoenn?

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Just pif in another region?

full bison
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Basically a sequel that takes place in Hoenn and has a separate Pokedex

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You can transfer Pokemon between the Two games tho

copper rover
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Ooh where's the download files for it?

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I assume they're on this server

full bison
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It's not done yet

copper rover
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Ahh I see

gray vine
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it does say upcoming

full bison
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This server is about discussing the things we know will be in the game as well as speculating what could be added

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There's several dozen comments of people just hyped about Spheal being included lol

prime dust
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NoThoughts.exe

white meadow
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Gen 3 has some of the best designed monsters in the series. Not just spheal, but the seedot and clampearl lines along many others.

proud bluff
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Im excited for Shiftry and Clamperl. Gonna be some broken special attackers with deepseatooth

full bison
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Claydol is probably the inclusion that has me the most excited. So many cool things that could be done with that aesthetic

fallen loom
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I want PiF Hoenn to have the ORAS Pokémon

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a lot aren't in IF

full bison
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Clawitzer's bigass gun would make for some of the coolest sprites and funniest autogens

mortal blaze
velvet root
mortal blaze
thin pawn
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I'm shocked Gogoat is anybody's favourite

rancid nymph
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What's wrong with Gogoat?

clear lichen
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There's so many Pokemon fans I find it improbable any Pokemon would have 0 people who have it as their favourite

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And Gogoat's definitely in the upper half of Pokemon IMO

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Tbf that's my opinion for all I know people fucking HATE Gogoat

viscid fossil
trail hull
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People joked about pif 2 being amalgam but now we’re actually getting pif 2

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I should be asleep but I’m gonna post a meme first

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If pif is so great why isn’t there a pif 2?
Frog: Hold my beer

full bison
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If Gogoat got in, I would want it to get in alongside Carnivine so I can shill for another Pokemon to get a Terrain setting ability. Cause Grassy Pelt is just begging for a proper Pokemon to abuse it.

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Carnivine is also one of those Pokemon I don't really think about too much, but has such a unique design that I can see spriters absolutely cooking with it

rancid nymph
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Oh yeah, Carnivine exists Quagless

vocal pivot
atomic sundial
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i have never encountered a klawf lover

full bison
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I would love Klawf in IF if the Gen 7 limit wasn't a thing TBH

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Anger Shell seems fun to play with in a fusion sense

velvet root
velvet root
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Im more suprised that it is such a hated Mon

full bison
# velvet root Ngl most of the hate against it is forced Funny enough I found Gogoat haters her...

I think some of the hate comes from how XY pre-release material hyped Gogoat and Skiddo as sort-of prototypical Raidon mounts, only for the Skiddo riding section to be an easily missed and not very relevant item grabbing distraction and the Gogoat riding area being completely unnecessary and overshadowed by the taxi cabs.
That being said, I don't dislike it. I'm personally just kinda neutral on it. Would be happy for you if it gets in tho

velvet root
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Maybe
Gotta say if it was a Mon for that gen 7 ride mon thingy it would have been cool
Jumping up ledges and being faster than a bike is nice

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Also funfact
Gogoat has the highest HP stat for Grass types

full bison
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All the more reason that if it does get added, it should come with Carnivine as a partner that gets Grassy Surge. Making Terrain teams is super high up on my wants for this game(s), and I really don't want the Surges to be monopolized by the Tapus

velvet root
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Reminds me how the Gogoat group got hated for a while just because
We werent even hostile or mean XD

full bison
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It's the Internet, thing being popular means thing bad

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Happens every time

velvet root
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True

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I mean stuff like death threats were too much but still

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Reminds me how one of my fav Gogoat fusions was with Rayquaza
A gen 3 legend

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full bison
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Hearing that there were death threats make me feel like I was lucky to have only joined this server a little bit before the Kalos starters were added and people had calmed down a bit

velvet root
tacit saddle
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people get wild over pokemon

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it's crazy

velvet root
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Absolutly

clear lichen
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Which, once again if I'm not mistaken, is the same as Aurorus

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Which is nuts

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If only Gogoat and Aurorus were good competitively outside of HP stats

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Aurorus being a Rock type is tbh more damning than it being an Ice type

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Like it has 1 Rock STAB that uses its higher Attack stat

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Meteor Beam

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Which is a very niche move

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And not even in Gen 7

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It is basically a pure Ice type with all the Rock type drawbacks, because let's be real, that's all the Rock type adds defensively

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Aurorus also doesn't have Aurora Veil

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Because it only got that in Gen 8

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So all it can do with Snow Warning is spam Blizzard

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Like, why did Gamefreak not give Aurorus Aurora Veil initially

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This feels like a mean-spirited joke

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Refrigerate is a very fun ability though

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And since Megas are out of the question, Glalie isn't a competitor for passing it

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Also, it is a Snow Warning mon

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If you want to run a snow team it maybe will do something

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Gogoat is actually pretty frail on the physical side

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For the same reasons Wailord is a slow frail mixed attacker

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It gets given a big HP stat but then its defences are piss

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Gogoat's SpD is decent though

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However, just like Wailord, Gogoat is also mixed

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But at least unlike Wailord, it gets reliable recovery in Milk Drink

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Gogoat is actually one of 2 Pokemon (excluding Skiddo) that learns Milk Drink

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No awards for guessing who's the other one

velvet root
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Didnt Gogoat learn bulk up naturally

clear lichen
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I have no clue

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That said, I'd be more inclined to try to make Gogoat work by fusing it with some bulky Steel type

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And make it a defensive Pokemon

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Grass generally is far easier to work with defensively than offensively

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At least IMO

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Which is funny since people love to shit on Grass because of its number of weaknesses

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Yet it can form one of the most potent defensive types in the game

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Ofc, you shouldn't judge a type purely based off one combo, but you sure as hell can put it in high C tier for it

velvet root
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Gotta say I am more likely to have a grass type with me thana fire

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Or well multiple mons that are Grass

vocal pivot
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Registeel/gogoat with tapu bulu fusion partner _CeciSmug

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It will be nearly unkillable physically. It can keep setting up bulk ups and heal with horn leech

velvet root
proud bluff
clear lichen
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It's Smeargle

molten loom
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Ok, pretty much everything

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weak trellis
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grass kinda feels like the reverse of fire with that lol

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where grass has 5 weaknesses but 3 of its resistances are some of the most useful to have while fire has 6 resistances but its 3 weaknesses are some of the worst to have

clear lichen
viscid fossil
# molten loom Ok, pretty much everything

smeargle using sketch to learn any move
it sounds super broken but check the numbers
smeargle using sketch to learn any move
it sounds super broken but check its garbage stats
smearlge falls to RU
smeargle falls to NU
smeargle falls to PU
smeargle goes to 235_smeargle ubers

full bison
weak trellis
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I was gonna say yea

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compliment one another oddly well (as does grass and rock)

clear lichen
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Smeargle may be the first Pokemon to be both dogshit in ZU and not entirely worthless in Ubers

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It isn't good in Ubers but the fact it has a niche there while being bad in fucking ZU really says a lot about Sketch

full bison
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Ubers has to be the most bizarre tier of them all

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It's the place where all the big name legendary Pokemon live, alongside a bunch of other overpowered stuff. But then you also see people running crazy stuff like Quagsire, Shedinja, and more

clear lichen
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Ok but at the same time

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You will barely see Quagsire or Shedinja

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They're pretty fringe picks

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That said they are picks

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And that's funny

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Shedinja has the weakness of getting fraud checked by hazards if it isn't wearing nice boots, sand in the eye if it isn't wearing nice goggles, Poison, Burn, one of its 50 million weaknesses, Mold Breaker, Moongeist Beam (as if that didn't already work), Sunsteel Strike and Photon Geyser

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And it can't Tera officially

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So uhh

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L bozo

quaint matrix
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A more competently statted Smeargle would be a nightmare I think

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Even around 450s range

clear lichen
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A majority of Pokemon would be nightmarish with Sketch

quaint matrix
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Even just one Sketch too

thin pawn
chrome heron
thin pawn
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They should let smeargle use dark void again

clear heron
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hoenn

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fire chicken

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water fish

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grass gecko

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hoenn

velvet root
full bison
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They simultaneously made Dark Void Darkrai exclusive and also completely ruined its accuracy

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As if just one of those wouldn't suffice

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Mythicals aren't even allowed in most VGC formats

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It could have been made Darkrai exclusive only and the meta would be fine

weak trellis
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I feel like the accuracy nerf came first, then the darkrai only and they just never undid the accuracy nerf

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but then again I've been told "no, wrong " regardless of what opinion I hold on it

clear lichen
weak trellis
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yea I know that part happened there

still halo
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It's insane sleep is a huge part of Darkrai's identity and they made it's signature move a straight downgrade of hypnosis in singles

mortal blaze
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There's nothing in the rules that says a dog can't steal a nightmare's move

scarlet pebble
thin pawn
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Homer shrimpson

languid oyster
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Hey, do we know how Castform's ability and forms will work in the Hoenn Fusion game? There are 16 different fusions for Castform's four forms (Normal, Sunny, Rainy, and Snowy), but it feels like aside from the same form fusions (Normal/Normal, Sunny/Sunny, Rainy/Rainy, and Snowy/Snowy), they won't be able to be made.

bleak rain
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Well yea but you'd only ever be able to battle with same/same. But in your party you could fuse the different forms right?

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They change form by battle weather iirc?

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clear lichen
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Since there's 0 way you're gonna be landing it on both with that abhorrent accuracy

west sonnet
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Same way you get U. Necro/Necro

viscid fossil
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Hopefully a double castform won't turn into pikachu when weather starts lol

viscid wren
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Imagine frog adds acid rain since we have castform heehee

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Even though that was a gen 4 thing

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If we cant use the weather form non self fusions there should be a trainer that cheats and does use them claiming his castforms experienced acid rain as a little nod to it

rancid nymph
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Hear me out: what if Frog adds an Acid rain form Trollgar.

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And a sandstorm form

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And a form for shadow sky Trollgar

mortal blaze
outer matrix
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But a design would have to be made for those 3 forms then

mortal blaze
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Weather ball becomes rock type in sandstorm so why doesn't castform

viscid fossil
rancid nymph
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Sandstorm is

full bison
mortal blaze
viscid fossil
rancid nymph
viscid fossil
rancid nymph
velvet root
mortal blaze
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Fair

rancid nymph
velvet root
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Sun has a lot to do with water

mortal blaze
velvet root
mortal blaze
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Not even really partially, it's a living H2O molecule

velvet root
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All forms also show states of weather
Sandstorm is officially no Weather
But sunny, snow, rain and cloudy is

rancid nymph
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Sandstorm is a weather in game

mortal blaze
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If weather ball is affected by it i think it's a weather

viscid fossil
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You know what even is a weather ball

mortal blaze
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Probably just concentrated air

viscid fossil
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Like does the mon throw the same ball every time and that ball reacts to the weather

rancid nymph
viscid fossil
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Or does the mon just absorb the rain/air/presumably hot air and eject it

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Also just realized that castform/drifblim would be a weather balloon

clear lichen
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I'd say Sunny Castform makes sense as a form more than Sandy Castform would

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Since the sun is a crucial part of the water cycle

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I mean it's the entire reason why the cycle is a cycle

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Tbf if you did remove the sun I think the water cycle being deleted from existence would be the least of our worries

viscid fossil
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But sand isn't?
Where would we be without infiltration

clear lichen
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Idk how sand in the air has anything to do with infiltration

viscid fossil
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Then again pokemon is a kids game
They get the baby version of the water cycle

clear lichen
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That said a Sandstorm form isn't saving Castform anyways

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Castform boutta go from dogshit to dogshit but hey it has a form for every weather ain't that neat

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Castform needs an evolution

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But even that'd be ass because you know it's still gonna have even stats across the board

mortal blaze
clear lichen
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It's gonna become Glalie

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Except I guess it can be Fire or Rock or Water type

viscid fossil
clear lichen
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But being Glalie but different type is a very low bar

rancid nymph
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I mean, if they’re not going to make it good, they should at least make it so that it can fully use its gimmick

clear lichen
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You could make Glalie Steel/Fairy and it'd still be dogshit

mortal blaze
velvet root
clear lichen
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Genuinely how would Castform ever be viable

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I guess the simple answer is that it won't

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Some Pokemon just aren't made to be good

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They're made to be shitmons

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Still sucks though

velvet root
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Im sure there are like 3 possible battles in wich you would be happy to have castform but thats it

clear lichen
weak trellis
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yea some pokemon are definitley made for things that weren't the games

clear lichen
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Since it actually has good stats early game

weak trellis
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(see also: every pikaclone and A-Meowth/G-Meowth for the anime, most of the babymons for merch)

mortal blaze
velvet root
clear lichen
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And uhh

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Idk how good Perrserker is I'm gonna be real

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OK, also better than Persian

mortal blaze
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It has steely spirit

clear lichen
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It's a low bar but they actually bothered to make them not as shitmonny as Persian

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They're definitely still shitmons though

velvet root
mortal blaze
velvet root
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Oh your that one

mortal blaze
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#spriter-general message

velvet root
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Im honest I wasnt in the mood to start it yet
Probably should add a disclaimer in my bio "if you request shit or I say I make it the wait time can be between 1 day and a year"

velvet root
mortal blaze
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It's okay

viscid fossil
clear lichen
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If so that's hilarious

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But even then Tinkaton wouldn't be the best abuser of it

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Because Gamefreak did not bother giving Tinkaton an existent Attack stat

mortal blaze
clear lichen
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I'd imagine Gigaton Hammer's 160 BP compared to Technician Bullet Punch's 60 is more than enough to close the gap between 130 Attack and 75 Attack

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At the same time though you can spam Bullet Punch every turn...

mortal blaze
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Plus priority move

clear lichen
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OK wow uhh

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Bullet Punch high roll does as much as Gigaton low roll

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That's fucking nutty

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Tinkaton's Attack is just that shit I suppose

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Part of it is that I used Choice Band for Scizor and Life Orb on Tinkaton

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But like

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You can't Choice Band Gigaton Hammer

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You'll just fucking struggle to death

viscid fossil
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Tinkaton is used because of its defensive typing so it can survive and use swords dance while the kittys are screeching

clear lichen
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Wait I was calcing the wrong thing I'm dumb

viscid fossil
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Or something like that probably

clear lichen
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Bullet Punch still outdamages over 2 turns

weak trellis
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tinkaton's entire attack stat went into gigaton hammer's base power rofl

clear lichen
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Tinkaton is used purely as support

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Because 75 Attack ain't shit

weak trellis
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that 75 is what it's like when it's fighting without the hammer is how I see it

clear lichen
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But I guess not

weak trellis
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probably not lol

clear lichen
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Theoretically if a Tinkaton got cooked by a Corviknight

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Corviknight can now wield the massive fucking hammer for itself

weak trellis
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but yea people want tinka to be stronger than it actually is, it's an honorary johto pokemon in that regard lol

clear lichen
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Its Attack is high enough, and if Corvisquire is capable of using tools

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Then Corviknight should too

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Realistically, Tinkaton would have to hunt Corviknight in packs

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Because there is 0 way a Tinkaton 1v1s a Corviknight

viscid fossil
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Wouldn't corviknight usually win against tinkaton in a smogon setting anyway

clear lichen
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That's why I headcanon that Tinkaton hunts in groups

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Because it is hunting prey that it should realistically have no way to beat

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Especially since as I established earlier it's not like Corviknight is stupid

mortal blaze
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Corviknight takes neutral damage from rock so they cant just launch rocks at them

clear lichen
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Tinkatuff is also stated to hunt groups of Pawniard and Bisharp

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Which is also ridiculous

mortal blaze
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It at least makes more sense

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Dark is not very effective against fairy

clear lichen
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OK but like

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The bare minimum level for Bisharp is 52

mortal blaze
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Oh yikes

clear lichen
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And Tinkatuff evolves at 38

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It's a level 37 Tinkatuff vs a level 52 Bisharp

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Where Bisharp also has a massive stats advantage

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And even if we equalise levels

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0 Atk Tinkatuff Rock Smash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 72-88 (26.5 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
0 Atk Bisharp Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tinkatuff: 169-199 (62.3 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Both of these are level up moves

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4× SE move and it does 32%

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They really should've made Gigaton Hammer do more damage to Steels, or make the Tinkaton line have an ability that makes it do more damage to Steels

viscid fossil
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Mallebility(?)

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I'd call it "steelworker" but that's taken already

full bison
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Amazing how Tinkaton keeps having discussions around it when it's ineligible for this game

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Guess it really has become the big standout Mon of Paldea

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Which of course means it's likely going to get a big spotlight on it for the next few years

inland jewel
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its funny because Steel/Fairy is such a good typing they just had to nerf it somehow

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watch it be the new gen of Rock types having slow speed because if they were fast they'd dominate in evyrything

full bison
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TBF they have extra reason to be scared of Steel/Fairy types after Zacian Zacian'd all over VGC

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Though even the pure Fairy Zacian is still way too pushed

proven ledge
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Eventually we'll get this game...

tacit saddle
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if you're expecting it'll be out by the end of summer think again heehee

proven ledge
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ik it won't

viscid fossil
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I'm still holding out hope that we'll get it before the heat death of the universe

tacit saddle
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I believe in frog and co

full bison
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I think I'm just going to accept that the Contest type poll has had everyone answer it that will, and Frog will use his own judgement to resolve the ties

thin pawn
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Crazy

muted venture
random dragon
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I was crazy once

clear lichen
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They locked me in a room

viscid fossil
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(Am I really the only person who got the version where the rats were also made of rubber?)

modern roost
deft obsidian
thin pawn
full bison
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What no Hoenn updates does to the dedicated Hoenn channel:

viscid fossil
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Hoenn?
More like
More like Howhen

velvet root
open sentinel
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A quick search didn't come up with any results so I'll ask here. Is hoenn going to be in the same engine?

gray vine
full bison
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Same version of Poke Essentials too, so still only compatible with Gens 1-7

velvet root
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Do you guys there is a chance for a Tripple Castform with all 4 types

rancid nymph
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If it has all 4 types then it wouldn’t be a triple fusion, it would be a quadruple fusion

thin pawn
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Mega castform looks like a biblically accurate angel and has shitass stats

rancid nymph
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Also, you can’t get Castform’s alternate forms outside of battle, so you wouldn’t be able to triple fuse them

velvet root
velvet root
clear lichen
thin pawn
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Jack of no trades

clear lichen
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Look on the bright side, 90 is higher than 80

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So Mega Hail Castform isn't just worse Glalie

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Except I lied

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It is

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Because it cannot hold an item

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And has similar bulk anyways because it has 70 HP

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And needs more setup

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And is limited to at most 7 turns

full bison
weak trellis
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hm without dumping attack and ignoring your useless stat you could be boring and just 70/70/105/105/105/105

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but yea weather user without a weather rock feelsbadman

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maybe give it an ability that makes it throw out a free weather ball any time the weather changes lol

west heart
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Just asking, is it a wish from the community for the hoenn region or is it smthng thats actually confirmed?

full bison
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Confirmed

old cargo
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so is this a new game or are they adding to infinite fusion

full bison
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New game

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Though technically it's also adding to base PIF as both games will be able to transfer Pokemon to one another

old cargo
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oh nice

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T Y

outer matrix
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Hoenn

thin pawn
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True

quaint matrix
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This is Ho's world, we're just livingEnn in it

tidal fiber
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when will this come out?

hexed agate
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At some point in the future

prime dust
sterile spoke
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Tomorrow. 🙂

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My source is that I am Le Frog. 😄

rancid nymph
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That means that if it doesn’t come out tomorrow, we can ban you for misinformation, right heehee

next flare
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Misinformation has never been punishable on this server heehee

velvet root
rancid nymph
trail hull
velvet root
rancid nymph
full bison
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It's tomorrow in the sense that it's never today

viscid fossil
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deltarune hoenn tomorrow

thin pawn
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Gaster is under the white rock in Mossdeep

bold atlas
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would be ill-advised to release within a short time frame of Mega Man Maker 1.10 /j

clear lichen
atomic lagoon
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as Ho-oh, I can confirm hoenn will come out tomorrow

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wait no that's johto

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whatever man I'm tired

viscid fossil
languid oyster
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Like, how would Fusion affect Sheen and the condition stats?

rancid nymph
full bison
prime dust
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well good thing that was already changed

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so...then sheen has no use?

prime dust
random dragon
trail hull
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What is this

full bison
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Probably a bot

trail hull
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Should we @ mod ?

full bison
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<@&306953740651462656> cause I'm not about to click on sketchy links

trail hull
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@glossy jewel

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Oh

full bison
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They're also spamming it on other channels, so probably a rule violation either way

placid pelican
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Its a bot but im in my phone so i cant massive clear

full bison
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I feel like I've been seeing more bots here these past few days then I have been before
Then again I've only been commenting on Discord for just about a year so that might just be negativity bias

trail hull
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we have an automod , the bots are getting creative

hexed agate
trail hull
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Oh okay

vagrant ferry
rancid nymph
prime dust
opal trailBOT
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Rule 12 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Impersonating staff/bots/other users. The staff and bots of the server need to be instantly recognizable to users. Parodies are allowed as long as its an obvious pastiche. E.g., nicknaming yourself "Milian2 (not a mod)" is ok.

tacit saddle
placid pelican
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beep boop

placid pelican
sterile spoke
rich yarrow
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please just have an original story man

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sick of romhacks that change a billion things and then act like everything is just normal

thin pawn
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I liked the PIF story

spiral gale
rich yarrow
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thank god bc the first game had a solid story ngl

gray vine
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and a romhack you kinda should exepct nothing to change

hexed agate
weak trellis
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I was gonna say hacks have been getting more adventurous since the decomps but yes we're not a romhack

full bison
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Oh hey, the contest types poll got two more responses. All three of the previous ties were resolved, too.
Course now there's a brand new one, but it's Burn Up tied between Cool and Tough, so I get it.

hexed agate
clear lichen
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I cant remember what I picked for Burn Up

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On one hand, it probably looks cool

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But on the other I'd imagine using up so much fire energy you completely lose the type is either uncomfortable or straight up painful and I think tough fits for that reason too

summer apex
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I picked smart and I stand by it

quaint matrix
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Same as sheep I stand by picking Smart

white meadow
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I wonder if they'll introduce a new triple fusion. Like Camerupt/Altaria/Sharpedo

thin pawn
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That's a good idea

full bison
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Fire/Ground/Water/Dark/Flying/Dragon? ...that actually sounds like it wouldn't be a terrible type, but maybe that's because there's so dang many types there that I'm getting wires crossed

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Fairies body it tho

white meadow
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Flying/Water/Ground

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I think it makes sense to fuse them because Altaria, Camerupt and Sharpedo are similar in strength and are like the mini versions of the weather trio. They also are owned by each respective team leader except Altaria since Team Sky isn't a thing. (Zinnia does own Altaria though)

full bison
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-# Sad MandJTV noises

clear lichen
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Camerupt is mostly a slow frail mixed attacker, being slightly special leaning, and lacks Drought

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Sharpedo is frail physical leaning mixed attacker but with actually somewhat respectable speed

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But lacks Drizzle

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Altaria I can see since even if its stat spread doesn't match up it does have the same type and an ability with the exact same function

prime dust
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look; I'd rather us get one of the triples that already exists only in sprite form first than introduce something completely new

clear lichen
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I have like 0 idea for triple fusions because my brain doesn't think too hard on things

prime dust
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that is why it would be easier to use just ones we already have sprites for, assuming the stat difference is too much

clear lichen
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Is there actually a triple fusion sprite utilising all 3 currently?

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I'm not too sure

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But also, I feel like Mewtwo, Deoxys and Genesect being a triple fusion kinda debunks the idea of needing a close link in power and relationship between the group

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Mewtwo have significantly higher BST, and there's nothing the 3 share apart from Legendary status

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Only 2 are Psychic types, only 2 are lab-created, only 2 are mythicals etc

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It's pretty much the only triple fusion like this though

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The others are all trios in some way iirc

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Which really makes me wonder why they're a triple fusion

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And I have since I learnt it existed

prime dust
clear lichen
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That one I can understand

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That's already 4 more things they share in common than Mewtwo/Deoxys/Genesect

velvet root
rancid nymph
velvet root
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You know exactly what I mean just dont want to accept it

full bison
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Psychic Fangs is now back to being tied between Tough and Smart. Not only that, it's almost in a three way tie, with Cool being one vote away. This might be the single most contentious move in terms of what contest type it should be

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Personally, I'm not sure I see the smartness of the move. Sure, it's psionic power and all, but it's still basically just biting the opponent.
Will of the people, tho.

rancid nymph
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I don’t remember what I put for Psychic fangs 9head

molten loom
clear lichen
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It isn't exactly comparable

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And like I said, the stats, type and everything else doesn't quite match up

clear lichen
velvet root
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Making them fit too

clear lichen
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Mythicals are legendaries I am not hearing anyone out on this

velvet root
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Yeah so that argument is gone too

clear lichen
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And they share a lot less in common than the other triple fusions

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Where they're either canonical trios like the starters or box arts

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Or like, in the case of Mew/Celebi/Jirachi

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They're all mythicals and legendaries, Psychic types, base 600 BST and have the exact same stat spread

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Mewtwo/Deoxys/Genesect makes the least sense to me for this reason

velvet root
clear lichen
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Sure, some others have minor stat differences between the 2

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But Mewtwo compared to Genesect and Deoxys is a full 80 BST gap

velvet root
velvet root
clear lichen
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For Kyurem vs Reshiram/Zekrom, it's 660 vs 680

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Which is probably the biggest gap currently excluding M2

clear lichen
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The closest link probably is the genetic thing but I think it's a stretch even then

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Silvally would be a better fit than it here but Silvally doesn't exist yet and is kinda mid

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Magearna also works here I'd say, it isn't genetically modified but it was still created by humans in some way

velvet root
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I would say Silvally fits even less

clear lichen
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And Magearna isn't bad

clear lichen
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Which isn't a distinction shared with Deoxys

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It is also a legendary

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Ig it has a prevo but I don't think that matters

velvet root
clear lichen
velvet root
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Definetly doesnt imo

clear lichen
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Anyways, as I was saying

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The biggest issue with Silvally is that it increases the BST gap even more

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As unless my memory is being shit, it has less than 600 BST

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I think it's 570?

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Which alone makes it and Genesect the 2nd biggest BST gap

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Well, excluding M2 Silvally

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Then it's the 3rd

clear lichen
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Except for the big BST gap

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As the gap between Kyogre and the other 2 is 10 BST

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They are all related to water

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Just not in the same way

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Kyogre and Lugia are heavily linked to the ocean, but Palkia is not

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Kyogre and Palkia share the Water type, but Lugia does not

random dragon
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I wonder what fusion moves would be added for the hoenn additions

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Also, hear me out, fire fang always hits shedninja for funny

clear lichen
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Like

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Would the devs make Psychic immune to Ghost?

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Would they make Hyper Beam and similar moves have no recharge if they landed the KO?

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... Actually, they should for that one

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Maybe as an April Fools update

random dragon
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Pixelate Hyper beam would go insane

viscid fossil
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And gen 1 wrap

rancid nymph
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Gen 1 wrap isn’t a glitch

viscid fossil
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but still funny

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I'd rather have frog learn how to do that then figure out the quantum mechanics of gen 1 counter

full bison
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Gen 1 Wrap in a generation where items like Leftovers exist feels like it would make people start committing acts of violence over this game

random dragon
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Already is happening w infinite hail in Pokeathlon IF Dex

full bison
viscid fossil
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Makes more sense then the ability to counter your own explosion

ancient hearth
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I'm honestly getting mixed signals on if there will be Lunala and Solgaleo in Hoenn

clear lichen
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I dont see why they would but if they were I will celebrate

ancient hearth
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If they do I'm gonna stockpile them in randomizer

clear lichen
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Words cannot describe how much I love Lunala it's tied for my favourite Pokemon

full bison
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I want UBs so bad, but I won't be holding my breath for them

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And that includes the Cosmogs

ancient hearth
rancid nymph
clear lichen
#

The UBs and Cosmog line won't be getting in for the Hoenn update

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But theoretically

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If they did

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I am going to celebrate

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And then send my condolences to the people who play Competitive IF

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Because like

ancient hearth
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They probably will be added in an update like that guy said

clear lichen
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There's like a singular Ultra Beast that wouldn't be broken

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Maybe 2

ancient hearth
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I'm not gonna sugarcoat it
Moongeist Beam

clear lichen
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I could even see Stakataka being broken

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Though tbf it probably won't be

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So more like 2, maybe 3

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Stakataka's biggest issue is that it's a defensive Steel type that decided to add on the Rock type

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So now it has like a bottom 10 defensive type

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There's like a singular type that would've been worse than Rock here

ancient hearth
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X4 fighting and ground weakness weakness

clear lichen
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And who could've guessed! It's the other type which is complete ass defensively but amazing offensively

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Ice

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They're good types but only if they aren't on slow bulky Pokemon

safe depot
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I do hope IF2 takes the opportunity to port in Pokemon on some types that have lower mons

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Like Electric or Fairy

clear lichen
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Or yknow, slow frail Pokemon, but Camerupt is living proof that it doesn't matter what type you are if you're slow and frail

ancient hearth
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Can we get ice types that aren't trying to be tanks and ARE glass cannons like the type itself?

safe depot
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Its called fusing them with Jolteon or Electrode

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Maybe Zebstrika if it ever gets added

clear lichen
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But in the sense that they hit hard and are slow to set up

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Idk why cannon here is associated with being fast

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I never have

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But yeah by the common definition of glass cannon

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It's really only Weavile and Chien-Pao

safe depot
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The faster cannon shoots first

safe depot
clear lichen
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It just hits about as hard as the the entire world's supply of nukes at once

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And can afford to run Choice Scarf as a result

safe depot
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Jynx is literally supposed to be a Glass Cannon

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Froslass can be as well

ancient hearth
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Glass cannons aren't really meant to be slow to set up

clear lichen
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They aren't exactly the most nimble things

ancient hearth
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Fair

safe depot
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And?

random dragon
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W hail

clear lichen
#

Glass Cannon does usually refer to fast, high damage and frail

safe depot
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Its a single player game

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Usually 90+ is fast

clear lichen
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I'm just saying that the first descriptor isn't really how I'd describe a real glass cannon

safe depot
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This ain't SV OU

clear lichen
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Jynx doesn't hit very hard for today's standards

safe depot
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Neither does Tauros

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or even Snorlax

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Your point?

clear lichen
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I dont see why you're bringing this up

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That doesn't disprove anything

safe depot
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you're the one setting artifical rules lmao

clear lichen
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It just means that they've been hit by powercreep

random dragon
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Play against hail once pokeathlon in IF ou, you will feel terror

clear lichen
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Froslass hits even less hard than Jynx iirc

safe depot
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And? One of the best parts of IF is being able to fix a mons issues

clear lichen
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Do you really think I can comprehend that but with every Pokemon instead

safe depot
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Froslass doesn't hit that hard? Fuse it with something that will fix that

clear lichen
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I'm talking about base Pokemon here

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That's where the conversation started

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We were talking about how Ice is mainly a bad type because they keep putting it on slow bulky Pokemon

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And tbh those slow bulky Ice types probably still don't see much play unless they drop the Ice type I'd imagine

safe depot
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I mean since Gen 7 it feels like all GF has been making is slow bulky-ish Pokemon outside of the legendaries, some starters and Dragapult

clear lichen
safe depot
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All of the power and speed creep has been legendaries or Legendary equivalents

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and G-Darm

clear lichen
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Gholdengo isn't exactly slow or bulky

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It isn't fast either tbf

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It's mainly carried by its damage, type and ability

safe depot
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Goldengo was given special treatment because its mon 1000

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I'm talking pure offensive creep

clear lichen
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Kingambit is definitely offensive creep even if it is a bulky fucker

safe depot
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Like yeah we get a wall like Toxepex, Corv or Garg every gen

clear lichen
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You aren't gonna see Kingambit stall or anything

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... I think

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You are right in saying a lot of the offensive creep is legendaries

safe depot
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Still, Gambit is base 50 speed

clear lichen
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But that isn't saying anything, as legendaries aren't autobanned

safe depot
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Slow, bulky with a high attack stat

clear lichen
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Whether you like it or not, Pokemon like Wellspring are gonna be staples in OU

safe depot
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.....I wasn't arguing against that?

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I was saying more of the offensive creep isn't the main dex

clear lichen
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Whether legendary or not, they're all treated the same in Competitive

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If they're good, they're good

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If they're bad, they're bad

safe depot
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That's not what I was saying at all

clear lichen
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So idk why I'd make the distinction in saying that there isn't much non legendary fast offensive Pokemon

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Anyways I'm struggling to find much non Legendary/Paradox creep in Gen 9 in general

safe depot
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What I said was that most of the new pokemon since Gen 7 have been slow and bulky-ish

clear lichen
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Because a lot of powercreep in Gen 9 are legendaries and paradoxes

safe depot
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If you're not gonna listen, I'm not gonna conversate.

clear lichen
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Ig Hisuian Samurott?

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Debuted in Gen 8 but only usable competitively in Gen 9

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It isn't exactly bulky

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It isn't fast either but it's faster than it is bulky

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Though it's mostly carried by ability and signature move

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Tinkaton is pretty fast

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But not very fast

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It's somewhat bulky

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But not that bulky

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And it doesn't hit hard

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Yet it's undoubtedly good

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Because Fairy/Steel is a crazy type

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Glimmora isn't bulky either but once again isn't fast

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And once again, carried by ability

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A lot of Gen 9 creep is legendaries, Paradoxes and crazy abilities

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Meowscarada is definitely just straight up fast offensive Pokemon

clear lichen
#

But if you primarily look at what's contributing to powercreep it's pretty mixed

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Lokix is "fast" "strong" physical attacker too

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Except it isn't fast or strong, it just has Tinted Lens and First Impression

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Clodsire and Dondozo are strong defensive Pokemon though

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That said, they're both ranked only at B in SV's current VR, along with Blissey

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Slither Wing once again isn't exactly fast but isn't bulky either

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But does hit hard

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I'm just looking at SV's VR to check what stat spreads the newer mons have

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Araquanid definitely does count as slow bulky though

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As would Iron Hands

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Sinistcha isn't exactly slow but I do think it is generally a bulky Pokemon

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Hydrapple and Hatterene are slow and bulky

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I think the main thing I'm noticing is that Gens 7 and 8 contribute a noticeable amount more to defensive creep than Gen 9 does

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And bulky offense too if we just ignore the Paradoxes and Kingambit

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Primarina? Gen 7. Geezing? Gen 8. Glowbro? Gen 8. Corviknight? Gen 8

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A lot of the slow bulky attackers use a stat spread that I associate most with Buzzwole

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Where they have great HP, Attack and Defence, middling to low speed and poor special stats, though maybe their SpD is decent too

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Gen 7's probably the most infamous gen for adding slow Pokemon

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But a lot more of the slow creep feels like it's from Gen 8

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Mainly because like

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In a Singles context, you aren't gonna be seeing stuff like Incineroar, Decidueye, Vikavolt, Tsareena etc in higher tiers

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To be fair Geezing was not popular in Gen 8 OU I don't think

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But yeah I do not agree with the notion that newer generations mostly powercreep with slower bulky Pokemon. I could agree that newer generations mostly add slower Pokemon in general, but only for Gen 7

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SV's powercreep especially definitely goes both ways

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And the most infamous newer gen Pokemon tend to be faster offensive Pokemon

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Like Fucker Mane

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Or Roaring Moon

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Or Chien Pao

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Or Iron Bundle

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That's excluding the box arts

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Mainly because like

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Is there even a single box art legendary from before Gen 7 that outspeeds one from Gens 8 or 9?

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I think Lugia is their fastest

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At 110

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And I believe the slowest modern box art is like

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Zamazenta?

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Which has 128 speed

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And only in Crowned form, which tbf is the form it takes in the box art

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In base form it's actually the 2nd fastest modern box art legendary, tying with base Zacian and losing to Zacian Crowned

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And straight up 2nd fastest box art legendary actually

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I guess technically Ultra Necrozma is on the box art of USUM

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And it outspeeds Zama Crowned by a grand total of one (1) point

weak trellis
# safe depot

when you wanna have the stats of a legendary but decide to just dump your two uneeded stats because why not

clear lichen
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But it's also like

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The box art legendary directly preceding Zamazenta Crowned

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So it's still a newer box art

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Speed creep is most severe on the box art legendaries now that I think about it

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Because like

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In those older games, Rayquaza would be fast compared to other legendaries

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Rayquaza and its 95 speed

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Really only outsped by Palkia at 100 and Lugia at 110

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Gen 6 and 7 creeped it slightly

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And then 1 generation afterwards you have like

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128 speed as the lower one between the 2

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(And then Zamazenta still manages to be trash)

clear lichen
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The lowest BST a fully evolved legendary has is 550, from both Ogerpon and Urshifu

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If you're comparing to a base 600 legendary then yeah dumping those two stats does make it on par with the better base 600 legendaries

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If you're comparing to a box art then even then it's still lower

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Albeit it also has Supreme Overlord

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Which in terms of Ubers viability pulls it ahead of every legendary excluding Lunala (GOAT), Arceus, Landorus Therian (lmao), Eternatus, Kyogre, Zacian, Ho-Oh and Koraidon

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Calyrex Shadow and Miraidon aren't invited

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Fuck those mfs

weak trellis
clear lichen
weak trellis
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I think the only normal mons above 550 barring form changes are florges (552), arcanine (555, sometimes called legendary), gholdengo (also 555) and the pseudos/archuraludon (600)

clear lichen
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Neither does Phione for the same reason

thin pawn
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Hello chat

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How's it going today

clear lichen
thin pawn
clear lichen
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Except Palafin which counts as a form change

weak trellis
weak trellis
clear lichen
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Technically Palafin's ability isn't a drawback ability

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Because it starts in the weaker form

weak trellis
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I've wanted to use phione but it hasn't gotten rolled in the gen 9 rando yet

clear lichen
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Technically it's a massive bonus

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But let's be real it's a drawback ability

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Multiple Pokemon do sit directly at 550 though

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Of course there's Kingambit as previously mentioned, as well as Gholdengo who is 550 and not 555

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Then there's Volcarona and Ursaluna

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Blood Moon sits higher at 555

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And technically it isn't a legendary

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It's in a similar state to the Paradoxes and UBs

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Where they have legendary level stats (except Poipole and Naganadel lmfao), cannot breed and are rare in some way (Paradoxes are probably the latest obtainable Pokemon in the base game, UBs are quite a pain to encounter and the USUM ones are one per save file iirc and BM Ursaluna is one per save file)

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It's funny to me that Naganadel has the lowest BST of the fully evolved UBs and yet the only reason it isn't the best in Gen 8 is because Eternatus outclassed it so utterly

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It was the best in Gen 7 iirc

full bison
#

I still consider it one of the most overturned Special attackers in Pokemon history

clear lichen
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If you want to lower the "Stats of a legendary" bar to Naganadel, Togekiss (545), Gyarados (540), Blissey (540), Hydrapple (540), Haxorus (540), Kingdra (540), Electovire (540), Magmortar (540), Snorlax (540) and Milotic (540) are included

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Really goes to show that BST alone means jack shit when you consider that none of these Pokemon are even close to as good as Naganadel

full bison
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It's not BST, it's how you use it. See also: Goodra

clear lichen
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And maybe a Mega that has Regenerator because fuck it

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It needs a buff

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May as well go crazy with it

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What's the worst that could happen? clueless

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But yeah, even including every Pokemon I mentioned so far in this specific topic of how high your BST needs to be to be on par with a legendary, Naganadel is the best out of everything when simply considering how broken it is

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Except maybe Hearthflame

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And in terms of Ubers viability yeah no Kingambit sweeps

zenith token
clear lichen
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Ubers viability isn't a good metric though lmao

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Blissey would be the 2nd best out of these by that metric

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And that just is not true

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I dont think you could find anyone nowadays who would say Blissey is better than any of Gholdengo, Volcarona, Blood Moon Ursaluna or Naganadel

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Heck, if you ask the correct people you'll probably be able to get someone to tell you Hydrapple is better than Blissey

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I think the best example of "BST doesn't matter" is Poopa Unwiped

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680 BST and the best it can manage is a UUBL

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It doesn't even have anything that's purely meant to nerf it

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It just happens to have something that accidentally nerfs it

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Or somethings rather

prime dust
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BST doesn't matter is just power level not mattering in dbz

clear lichen
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Like that pathetic Defence

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Or that awful type

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I guess though in some ways Poopa also proves the opposite that BST does matter

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Give this stat spread and type to something with 500 BST

full bison
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Hoopa Unbound is still one of my least favorite Pokemon ever. Hideously overdesigned, forsakes base Hoopa's actually unique type in favor of stealing the type from Malamar, mediocre shiny, and statistically lopsided in such a way that nobody likes either using it or fighting it

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I am still convinced that it's the Mythical we're going to get- if any gets added- when Hoenn drops, but the only solace I take in that is that Spriters are talented enough to make it actually look decent

prime dust
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I know the odds on this are slim, but I kond of hope there is a mon with a semi long enough of a name that ends in la where it'd grab the Hoop part

full bison
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Lunala could potentially work for that

prime dust
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one can dream

ember pivot
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Pixilate Boomburst Sylveon ReallyInnocent

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140 Base Power * 1.3 From Pixilate * 1.5 from STAB gives something like 280 Power

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all I need is the whismur line

full bison
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You can get that RN with Vibrava or Noivern

ember pivot
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oooh i hadnt considered that

full bison
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The funniest Boomburst combo that we would get from Hoenn IMO is Porygon-Z/Swellow. It can have either Scrappy or Adaptability in combination with Boomburst, and I feel like stabbings might occur over Pokemon games if people in the competitive scene had to take that deadly coin flip

quaint matrix
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That depends on if Frog will finally take into consideration the stat buffs in Gen 7 lmao

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There's still no stat buffs from Gen 7 right now

prime dust
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I kind of want Guts to have its Gen 3 description

sterile spoke
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Is that the one that mentions suffering? 😂

prime dust
rancid nymph
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Ah yes, how specific

full bison
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Swellow will be so great to use once it's added. Amazing abilities and great speed makes it a solid fusion option for either physical or special builds. Probably a bit better to build it towards Special due to how fusion works in this, but Physical is still pretty viable to build towards.

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Course, there's not a lot of sprites for it right now, and most of them are head sprites, which is sorta subjecting it to the whole Aggron situation, but still

nova jay
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is pif hoenn gonna be added to the mainline game

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or just a 2nd game

west shuttle
nova jay
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damn thats sad

west shuttle
nova jay
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oh ok

west shuttle
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If I understand well

nova jay
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better ig

viscid fossil
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You'll be able to transfer pokemon between the game near-effortlessly

quaint yarrow
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Are Hisui and Paldea evos going to be added in this game?

hazy fable
quaint yarrow
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Hope that changes, at least for the hisuian mons

full bison
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The game straight up is incompatible with Gen 8+ Pokemon

quaint yarrow
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Even for the new hoenn game?

full bison
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The game runs on a version of Poke Essentials that only goes up to Gen 7, and updating to a more modern version would require rewriting most of not all the code.

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(Honestly surprised there isn't a bot command that lists all this information out, considering how often it comes up)

quaint yarrow
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Oof

rancid nymph
dim laurel
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Hello friends! Out of curiosity, are any of you hoping for any trainer customization hats, outfits, or hairstyles for PIF Hoenn?

full bison
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Honestly the only customization thing I can think of is dependant on the Ultra Beasts getting added

humble lantern
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so is PIF Emerald gonna be a seperate game?

thin pawn
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Yes

safe depot
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Its an effective sequel

prime dust
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it is going to be spaghetti much like PIF is

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i.e., Frog is using a mix of stuff from R/S/E and OR/AS

full bison
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Dynamic Weather is gonna be a thing too, which is pretty neat

prime dust
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I don't know why, but I feel like that will somehow make Castform worse

safe depot
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....Castform fusions are gonna be so interesting though

full bison
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Eh. If you're using Castform, you're probably doing so while using stuff like Rain Dance or Drizzle anyway

prime dust
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or if it doesn't then the Castform meta will just be to run Sunny Day, Rain Dance and Hail along with Weather Ball

full bison
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Castform and meta are antitheses of one another

prime dust
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or barring that, 3 different Castform, each set up for 1 weather type

safe depot
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I mean

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Castform has 70 across the board. So you would need something good to make it better. But the ability to shift types with STAB Weather Ball could at least be Fun

full bison
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Honestly I'll probably just use Roserade for Weather Ball considering Roselia is a Gen 3 Mon and therefore the rest of the line has a VIP pass in

safe depot
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I mean there's probably gonna be both a normal and remix mode

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But yeah that would be a good one

prime dust
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Sunny Day, Weather Ball, Fire Blast, Solar Beam
Rain Dance, Weather Ball, Hydro Pump, Thunder
Hail, Weather Ball, Blizzard, Ominous Wind

safe depot
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Its something

prime dust
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would need to fuse it with a special attacker

safe depot
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Jolteon?

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STAB Thunder at that point

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Lotta speed, Special attack boost

prime dust
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well for each one i mean

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instead of having a single castform just constantly using 1 move to attack and swapping between weather

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have 3, each one dedicated to a specific weather move

safe depot
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why is there no Sand form?

prime dust
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because GameFreak

safe depot
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Make a Castform evolution for all four weathers and all four terrains

prime dust
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also Jolteon would be bad for option 2 given weather ball gets stab from rain dance shift

safe depot
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?

prime dust
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lemma double check something

safe depot
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Weather Ball becomes the type of the Weather

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You're thinking of Revalation Dance

prime dust
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no

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I know it becomes that type

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but

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so does castform

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Rain Dance makes it Water

safe depot
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So it would go from Normal/Electric to Water/Electric

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Assuming Jolteon

prime dust
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yeah

safe depot
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So Weather Ball, Thunder, Ice Beam and Volt Switch would be a really strong set if you carried a Pelipper or Politoed

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But then I guess why not just run Jolt with like, most other waters lol

prime dust
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lol

full bison
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Weather teams are fun

prime dust
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well they will be once the abilites work correctly

full bison
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I thought they were already fixed

prime dust
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uh

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if they have been i forgor

safe depot
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Shame Hail still sucks without Beartic or A-Sandslash

full bison
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I used a Chandelure/Tangrowth with Chlorophyll on my sun team and it was regularly out speeding things

prime dust
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to the wiki

safe depot
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Meanwhile you have sun

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Where you can run five chlorophyll users if you play your cards right

prime dust
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nothing in the changelogs stating weather abilities now work, but i may be using the wrong search word

safe depot
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They don't work?

prime dust
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it was an old bug that may be fixed

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but for the longest time most abilities that had extra affects thanks to weather, like swift swim, wouldn't trigger properly

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that is why i'm double checking the change logs on the wiki but i don't see anything mentioning weather abilities being fixed

viscid fossil
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They definitely work

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Unless frog somehow managed to bring the bug back

full bison
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Honestly I enjoyed weather teams even before the bug was patched. There was still fun stuff to play with like Hydration, Rain Dish, Thunder, Hurricane, etc

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Kinda wanna do my third Sandstorm team for my next playthrough cause I've never used Sand Force, but that would mean having to wait for TTar, so might just do another Rain one

safe depot
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I wish terrain abilities were in the game

full bison
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I've been trying to vouch for Chimecho to get Psychic Surge for that reason. The only sources of the Surge abilities that are eligible for addition are the Tapus, and I would be so annoyed if that's the only way to access those abilities

safe depot
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I mean part of me would like to see some bad mons, even with fusions, to be buffed

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But on the other it is mainly a vanilla game

full bison
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There's still a ton of Pokemon that got HA buffs in this.
Delibird had its HA replaced with Snow Warning, Flygon gained the Dry Skin Hidden ability, etc.

safe depot
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I did not know this

prime dust
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Frog has made various changes to things like that either as "balance" or because the community convinced him

safe depot
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Is there a list of these?

prime dust
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not that I'm aware of

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we kind of find them out

full bison
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Probably the most common thing he does is flip types around so they make more sense with the general aesthetics that the Fusions go for. IE Ferrothorn was made primary Steel cause most of the Ferrothorn head Fusions look metallic

viscid fossil
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very nice

weak trellis
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yea I remember Dewgong was ice/water until 6.0 for that. tempted to say celebi had the same thing with grass/psychic?

full bison
viscid fossil
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Yeah, it shouldn't be the main criteria.
I don't want to bring back the type swap for phantump, but not Trevenant.

silk skiff
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Is this going to have day/night cycles? I will never forgive Gamefreak for scrapping day/night cycles in gen 3. chiwaClown

amber garden
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This is going to be based on the emerald's map were the was second bade in volcano so both evil teams could have bases

prime dust
safe depot
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IF1 has them

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