pif-hoenn-discussion

[wide merlin]

with the desert, it's possible with pokeradar in a zone with cacnea

but in the famous region "too much water" i wait this pokémon

https://tenor.com/view/lumineon-pokemon-pokemon-lumineon-sinnoh-pokemon-sinnoh-gif-12824271115555918072

[rare sleet]

I personally want the gen 5 starters

and gen 7 starters

to finish the Starter roster

[velvet root]

I hope so

[velvet root]

Ngl I hope for a unique Pokeradar mon for each route, yes it adds many mons but still

[full bison]

If I had to ask for one Mon to be added that would make sense, it would probably be Clawitzer

All the fusions with bigass guns would be awesome

[velvet root]

I mean its in Oras Radar so it looks possible

[velvet root]

Ngl I tried and dislike it

[viscid wren]

If we are asking for one mon im gonna be that person and ask for another mythical

Magearna would just be too awesome to have

[compact viper]

ohhh ok

[viscid wren]

If we get to join the evil teams which are you all siding?

[hot flame]

Team Magma

[summer apex]

gotta be aqua

[viscid wren]

I like the magma aesthetic better but I like the overall vibe of aqua better

[summer apex]

I don't like the magmar aesthetic tbh

[viscid wren]

If we get oras designs especially so since iras didnt do much to improve the magma design while aqua feels like it got a sleeker look

[summer apex]

why are they wearing turtlenecks

[viscid wren]

But even if its RSE designs I think ill take aqua on this

plus their plan atleast makes a little more sense to me

[rancid nymph]

Team Magma has the more logical goal, but as leader (and sole member) of the ACDF, I’ve gotta go Aqua

[viscid wren]

Acdf?

[rancid nymph]

Anti Charizard Defense Force

[viscid wren]

Also, had does spreading more land make more sense

Water is essential to all life

[rancid nymph]

More room for humans to operate

Still not great for marine life though

[full bison]

Flooding the world isn't exactly beneficial to a lot of life either TBF

[viscid wren]

Yes but it atleast sustains SOME life

Either way, both plans suck

[outer matrix]

Splatoon will start sooner in the Pokémon universe if Team Aqua wins

[thin pawn]

But then they'd just be squids not kids

[rancid nymph]

If regular squids can evolve to become humanoid, why can’t Pokémon squids?

[thin pawn]

Because if there's no land then why would they evolve into humanoids

[rancid nymph]

Who said anything about there being no land?

[velvet root]

TEAM SKY

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-michael-groth-mandjtv-mandjtv-plays-jaw-dropped-gif-26913239

[viscid wren]

The best hoenn based evil team

WE NEED REFERENCES TO TEAM SKY IN PIF HOENN

[rancid nymph]

The worst Hoenn based evil team

Because they keep using the demon lizard

[full bison]

I think there's a Rayquaza/Unown sprite that's just the Team Sky logo

[viscid wren]

Doesnt have to be big just a small little thing

Like a bird keeper just shouts GO TEAM SKY or something idk

[thin pawn]

They said if Team aqua wins

[rancid nymph]

Yes, and Team Aqua wants to expand the ocean, not get rid of all land

[hot flame]

Not the right server for that joke, sorry

[thin pawn]

I like using this gif as a reaction image

[hot flame]

No me

I made a dumb joke that is a bit political

[thin pawn]

Oh

In other news I might be a bit stupid

[velvet root]

We need to request it, even if its just a trainer called Michael with only Flying types

[viscid wren]

I leave that to you

You have a mission fellow grunt, see it to completion

[real falcon]

Aether Foundation!

[viscid wren]

Thats.... not a hoenn evil team

Though if for some reason we get alola as a second region that could be neat

[thin pawn]

Alola but good

[viscid wren]

I wish more rom hacks/fan games explored alola

Its got potential

[thin pawn]

I assume the 3d games are just harder to mod which is why we get less romhacks of them

I recommend the Photonic Sun and Prismatic Moon games if you haven't played them already though

[viscid wren]

Well yeah but you can make new regions and remake old ones in old games/making a fan game

Someone made Galar in a gba rom hack

I cant play 3ds games cause mine broke and my computer is weak af

[thin pawn]

rip

I didn't know someone made glar in a gba rom hack though that's awesome

I'll have to check that out

Weird that sword and shield have almost no romhacks but maybe it's because switch is harder to emulate

[viscid wren]

It got shut down hard iirc

[full bison]

I could kinda see an Aether Foundation sidequest happening in regards to Cosmog whenever they're added

[weak trellis]

late but yea as you can probably expect the modding gets exponentially harder with each console you go farther

[viscid wren]

With the exception of PC

Want to mod a game? Better hope theres a pc version

[prime dust]

if you mean Sw/Sh Ultimate Plus that still very much exists

[unless it got hit with a cease and desist on development]

[viscid wren]

No no, switch emulation

What is sw/sh ultimate plus?

[prime dust]

a romhack

for gba

i saw you mention a gba romhack for galar and was like "that still is very much an thing"

[viscid wren]

Its a gba rom hack? Ill have to check it out then

[prime dust]

ye

gimme a sec, i'll pop a screenshot over in #other-pokemon-games

[viscid wren]

Ah nvm, its the one I already played lol

[prime dust]

lol

[viscid wren]

So, who here wants us to get soaring in PIF2

[rancid nymph]

Want it? Yes. Think we will get it? No

[viscid wren]

I dont think soaring would look good im 2d

[full bison]

I'm just imagining the airship from an old Final Fantasy game and how grainy it looked imagining soaring in this

[inland jewel]

i'd imagine it would be the trainer on the bird sprite and its just going around on a big hoenn map

but what happens if you don't have any flying pokemon to do sky battles

do you just get kicked to the ground

[tropic dew]

I feel like Soaring as a mechanic would not translate well to PIF Hoenn, period. If we want to get to the Mirage Spots or Event locations where Legendaries and Mythicals spawn, then we go with hidden entrances on the routes those spots are closest to.

And the entrances only become available if you fulfill the proper conditions, like with the Hidden Grotto on Route 1 in PIF, which is only available if you beat your Rival in the optional Route 22 battle before beating Brock.

[viscid wren]

Agreed

[past abyss]

Soaring translated pretty well in the fangame “Pokemon Insurgence” I’m sure there would be a way to include it for PIF Hoenn

Maybe for the soaring mechanic, don’t have the POV turn and instead be an high view above the map, kinda like the Fly HM map, but a little closer to the map and a little more detailed, and have it so the soaring mechanic is the only way to get to certain places on the map, like say, a starter island just to the left of Briney’s house but just out of bounds, but have that island be unable to visit unless you do like a secret early encounter at the start of the game, like how you COULD avoid meeting May/Brendan by not going upstairs, if you don’t talk to May/Brendan upstairs, the Starter Island won’t be accessible

[boreal crypt]

So are the only new mons getting added in pif2 are the ones there or will it get updates like the first adding some in after

[tropic dew]

I think it would largely depend on if the specific version of Pokemon Essentials that PIF and PIF Hoenn runs on can do what Insurgence does, and even then it would still be highly difficult to implement regardless, even if you attempt to simplify the process compared to how Insurgence did it.

[tropic dew]

It will get updates as well. Any new mons being added to PIF during the new game's development will also be added to PIF Hoenn

And both games will receive the same roster updates once the new game releases, to ensure transfer compatibility.

[boreal crypt]

Didn't they say they weren't adding new mons tho am I imagining or did that change

New game mon will be transferable

I read that

[tropic dew]

They didn't say they weren't. They were simply prioritizing the development of the game itself. Once it releases, we can expect to see roster updates about as often as they happened in PIF, maybe. Though probably on a smaller scale.

[past abyss]

True, you got me there, the Insurgence’s team went wild and hard to make that game, and they limited themselves a bit with some things due to needing to focus on other aspects of their game

[boreal crypt]

Ah well, back to the wait for snivy, in the distant hope of pif Unova

[summer apex]

on this note... if more hidden entrances get added, PLEASE give them some sort of subtle visual indicator. Something that, if you know what you're looking for, you can find it without having to just walk blindly into trees to find it every time

B2W2's hidden grottos are a good example. They blend in with the scenery if you aren't looking for them, but if you ARE looking for them, they aren't hard to find (appearing as a bit of dark foliage between four trees, like pictured here)

[velvet root]

I hope we get hidden grottos with secret power

[full bison]

Hidden grottos would be an acceptable alternative to me if secret bases end up not panning out due to no multiplayer

[velvet root]

I hope its like that
Why would we need secret bases?
Yeah they are cool but useless

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-pitchfork-kill-burn-stake-gif-11227021

[cosmic thorn]

Are you making a sequel set in Hoenn or is it an update that adds new regions?

[full bison]

It's a sequel

There's not enough map space in base PIF left to really make Hoenn shine as a region

[tropic dew]

Yeah, something like that, or perhaps even something like a few subtle sparkles where the entrance is located...but with the Hidden islands, those would be way more obvious, since any rocks blocking the way would disappear, like the one island in ORAS near Sootopolis, where you encounter Regigigas, iirc.

Also

dissing secret bases

HERESY

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-17604583

[outer matrix]

Merge hidden grottos and secret bases together

[viscid wren]

Hidden bases that have a rare chance for a pokemon or item to spawn depening on the furnishings?

Id be down for that

[outer matrix]

Me when a kommo-o spawns in my secret grotto base

[viscid wren]

Encountering the pokemon should def be optional

[trail hull]

how about having to beat up a mon before setting up inside

[viscid wren]

Well the point of the spawns would be to give the secret bases a purpose

Since no online

[cosmic thorn]

And do you guys already have a release date for this sequel?

[viscid wren]

Eventually

[prime dust]

demo later this year (maybe)
full release is ???

[trail hull]

I just realized that this year no one shared a way that could add gen 8 and beyond mons

I thought it would become a tradition of proposing something for it to be denied/ abandoned

[viscid wren]

What if we replace the files for some old mon that arent in with mons from gen 8+ to add them?

There, there is your gen 8+ addition suggestion

[full bison]

This game is already insanely unbalanced without the crazy powercreep of Gen 8-9 mons TBF

[viscid wren]

This game was never balanced and never will be

Silly fusion go brrr

[rancid nymph]

Soon™

[haughty plover]

what regions interested you the most

[viscid wren]

Unova

By far the most interesting region

[rancid nymph]

Sinnoh and Unova are the best regions

[viscid wren]

I didnt like the sinnoh games (except legends) but dinnih lore is cool

[haughty plover]

pif hisui

[viscid wren]

Good luck explaiming that one

[haughty plover]

space time distortions

some massive crates of dna splicers fall through one

[tacit saddle]

alola 🫴

[haughty plover]

love alola

[tacit saddle]

it's my faaaavorite

[haughty plover]

same

[viscid wren]

Alola is my second fave yeah

[haughty plover]

i wish they added the cosmog line so we could triple fuse the alola legends
tbh im surprised the 3 groups that can fuse arent all in the game

[viscid wren]

Whats the third grouo?

[full bison]

Calyrex, maybe? But I don't think I would count that as fusion and also it's Gen 8

[restive anvil]

Another PIF game this is peak🥹🥹

[viscid wren]

Riding a horse is not fusion

Becoming a cantaur would be fusion

[prime dust]

there's a handful of trios that could end up as triples that don't exist in game yet

[viscid wren]

Well yeah but they were impmying theres 3 vanilla fusion groups

Resh/zek/kyu
Necroz/luna/sol

Idk what the 3rd is suppost to be

[prime dust]

we're only missing 2

We're missing Xern/Yvel/Zygar and Sol/Lun/Necroz

[hexed agate]

Luvdisc/Bruxish/Stunfisk

[prime dust]

actual trios

[viscid wren]

Xern/Yvel/Zyg dont fuse though?

[hexed agate]

The swords of justice, the genies, the lake trio

[prime dust]

oh i read that wrong

[viscid wren]

2 of those have 4 members

[full bison]

Enamorus is ded tho

[prime dust]

Keldeo

[hexed agate]

Enamorus isn't real and Keldeo is supposed to be a lone ranger type of character

The swords are based on the 3 musketeers

[viscid wren]

No one cares about those 2 anyways. I said it as a joke lol

[prime dust]

but yeah there's not any other vanilla fusions

[hexed agate]

Technically you can fuse 10, 50 or 100 1% Zygardes

[prime dust]

the other 2 trios that factored fusion [in some capacity] was necroz/lun/sol and kyru/zek/resh

[prime dust]

that is less fusion and more merging together the same thing multiple times into proper pokemon

[full bison]

I guess you can kinda argue that the mistakes Galar fossils are kinda Pokemon fusions

[prime dust]

those aren't fusions, and they are gen 8+

[hexed agate]

And think of how many Wishiwashi would fuse in a school-form self-fusion

[viscid wren]

And theres 4

[prime dust]

at least 2

[hexed agate]

Trying to remember any Metagross-esque Pokémon at this point lol

Or Magnezone

Gimmighoul fuses with a whole dollar in cents and becomes OU material

But that's just an evo

[hot flame]

Gimmighoul self-fusion would just be prisoner's dilemma

[full bison]

There is that one Pallosand Dex entry that says that each individual grain of sand has a will of its own

[sudden jackal]

hey pory whos that handsome guy talking about u in your banner?

[hexed agate]

[atomic hornet]

[viscid wren]

[clear lichen]

They kinda are

You're literally fusing 2 completely incompatible fossils to make an absolute abomination

And then the Pokedex has the nerve to pretend they existed

Like bro is NOT slick

[prime dust]

how dare you call dracovish an abomination

[clear lichen]

Its head is on its ass

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dracovish-pokemon-dracovish-gif-17342970581964934216

[clear lichen]

And it only has half a main body

I like Dracovish but like

[prime dust]

look if you think that is an abomination you haven't really played this game

[clear lichen]

There is 0 way this couldn't be called an abomination

Arctovish has an upside down head

Arctozolt's head just does not stick in with its body

And I think it caught a fucking cold

From the body

It's also using flippers as feet

So like

Dracozolt has its small fucking head popping out of half a body

Like there's no way these aren't categorically abominations

Or fusions

[clear lichen]

OK wait that would go hard

You may be cooking here

[clear lichen]

Calyrex is a fusion in terms of game mechanics

But as you pointed out, in terms of design it isn't a fusion

It's crazy to me that because of the entire mechanic of fusion

We won't get any of the actual official fusions

No Black or White Kyurem

No Dawn Wings or Dusk Mane

There are multiple other Pokemon that are fusions by themselves

Stakataka is a shitload of bricks

And I'd say they could count as fused together

But you could also argue they're a colony

Schooling Wishiwashi is definitely a colony

A school of 262 Wishiwashi to be precise

Though Bulbapedia does consider it a fusion

Would Zygarde count as a fusion? I mean, you couldn't call a human a fusion for having cells

It's debatable if Pokemon like Barbaracle or Dugtrio are a group of Pokemon or fused together

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleepy-falling-asleep-gif-4706429

[viscid wren]

Um, wdym just fuse zekrom and kyurem?

[clear lichen]

Apparently, some dex entries claim Barbaracle is the product of Binacle splitting into more

[clear lichen]

Won't have the stats

Which is like the 2nd most important part

[viscid wren]

Oh yeah

[thin pawn]

is magneton a fusion

is metang

[viscid wren]

Slowbro

[clear lichen]

Meanwhile, SWSH claims they're simply coming together

[thin pawn]

id count slowbro as a fusion

[thin pawn]

swsh displeases me so i ignore it

[clear lichen]

Klinklang is apparently multiple sentient beings in one

At least according to the PMD series

According to the Pokedex, Vanilluxe is 2 Pokemon stuck together

But like

It's the Pokedex lmao

[viscid wren]

Either way

Fusiom very different

Much fun

[clear lichen]

But yeah there's a lot of official fusions

[viscid wren]

Please give contest, my abominatioms must show their beauty

[clear lichen]

Heck, look at the Metagross line

Or the Melmetal line

[full bison]

I am pretty surprised there hasn't been a non-legendary gimmick yet that's just a bunch of Pokemon that can combine into one

[thin pawn]

does wishiwashi count

[clear lichen]

Depends on the definition

Gathering into one? Yes
Fusing into one? No

Wishiwashi's school form is... Well... a school of Wishiwashi

A school of 262 Wishiwashi to be exact

[summer apex]

that's one of my favorite numbers!

[rancid nymph]

Imagine having a favorite number

[summer apex]

I don't. I have multiple

7, 14, 27, 262, 307...

the list goes on

Oh! 405. That's another good one

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[viscid fossil]

"My favorite number is 79"
-8-ball (inanimate insanity)

[full bison]

I'm imagining less "school of fish" and more "Power Rangers Megazord."

[quaint matrix]

Professor Cara Liss my 🐐

"Uhhh yeah they exist Vic/Lori you guys don't know fossils like me in fact them looking like this is exactly why they went extinct" truly the scientist of all time

[chrome heron]

Nec/Lun/Sol as a triple fusion is just going to be Lore Accurate Ultra Necrozma.

[full bison]

If there was a triple fusion of Solgaleo, Lunala, and Ultra Necrozma, and it used all the strongest stats of each of them the way Regiregi and Cheninphox do, it would have a BST of 814. 854 if we wanna use Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings stats in the mix as well.

[clear lichen]

Lunala my beloved ♥️

Hey... wait a minute

Why is ♥️ labelled as hearts

It's a singular heart

Like

Hello?

[tacit saddle]

I been sayin ths for years .........

[molten loom]

There might be other hearts hidden behind the one we see

[spice sage]

Random question, what are your most wanted features for pif hoenn?

[rancid nymph]

The other hearts are hidden behind the first

[full bison]

Contests and hidden Grottos

[rancid nymph]

Get out of my head

[molten loom]

Fusion obviously

[clear lichen]

Depends on how realistic I want to be

[full bison]

And the Battle Frontier, but I can accept that being a very far off thing in the future

[clear lichen]

AKA either literally nothing or insert a list of Pokemon that I like here

[spice sage]

Trying to figure out what I should work on next

[rancid nymph]

Make Ever Grande City an actual city

[spice sage]

That makes things easy then

[clear lichen]

This would be cool though

[spice sage]

I 100% want to do that! Huge missed opportunity by game freak

[full bison]

Making the Poke Radar act more like the DexNav is a pretty popular suggestion I've seen here

[rancid nymph]

Also Contests and Secret Bases, but you’ve probably heard those tons of times already

[rancid nymph]

Especially since they had it actually be a massive city in the anime

[spice sage]

Yessss I def want to add both! They're definitely not the simplest features to implement but they're a big part of Hoenn and it would feel wrong to leave them out. We'll see how it goes though hahah

[tacit saddle]

more skitty
-# (for legal reasons, joke)

[full bison]

Chimecho with Psychic Surge is something I specifically want, considering we have no options for that ability beyond Legendary Pokemon, and I think it would be more fun for teambuilding if it was more accessible

[molten loom]

Is it possible to make a fight where you fight the player from pif with the party and/or the outfit you last saved with, in PIF Hoenn?

[viscid fossil]

All right I'm gonma be boring and give a real answer
It represents the hearts suite in a deck of cards
♣️ ♦️ ♥️ ♠️

[spice sage]

I like that a lot It should be possible yes!

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-16083359911448889724

[tacit saddle]

That ... makes so much sense

[tacit saddle]

Will you be adding a frogzilla trainer 🎤

[molten loom]

Can't wait to fight my Sunkern

[tacit saddle]

get Ready

[rancid nymph]

Add a Frogzilla secret base

[full bison]

Can't wait for my Adaptability Boomburst Poryvern to sweep my entire team except my Ghost type

[spice sage]

Probably not I really don't like self inserts, I think it's always a bit cringey

[tacit saddle]

Aw man

i wanna take money from you

Legally ofc

[spice sage]

[tacit saddle]

...how legal would pokemon fighting be in a real world setting. Thoughts for another day

[molten loom]

What is the legal system in Pokemon anyways

We enter people's houses and take items we find, and that's perfectly fine

[full bison]

Pokemon have a degree of sapience and explicitly enjoy fighting aside from mons like Togekiss, so I guess it depends on how little collateral damage is possible

IE Earthquake would be an illegal move IRL

[rancid nymph]

Law #1: Don’t steal
Law #2: ???

[viscid fossil]

Reminds me of that one yugioh video
"I'll challenge them to a duel."
"And what if they call the police?"
"I'll challenge the police to a duel."
"Yugi, the police play meta!"

[tacit saddle]

i love stealin i love takin things

[viscid fossil]

but they left their door unlocked. Their fault.

It's not breaking and entering if I don't break anything

[full bison]

Anyway aside from everything else I brought up, I think what I would like to see in PIF Hoenn the most is just small stuff like Move Tutors for stuff like Liquidation and Draco Meteor

[spice sage]

How legal are animal fights in the real world? :p

[viscid wren]

Yooooooo

[spice sage]

what do you mean? pokemon laws make perfect sense

[viscid wren]

Confirmation that contests are actually atleast getting attention, glorious days

Have you seen my suggestion about ribbons?

[full bison]

I have made a Google Poll asking people what they think the contest types of all the Gen 7 moves should be if that's something that could help out

[spice sage]

was it about having them as hats?

[viscid wren]

Yes, or having them as a seperate slot like hats but thatd probably get crowded

[spice sage]

I like it, as long as we get people to make the sprites for them hahah. I actually do want hats to have a small effect in contests. What I'm thinking is that each hat has assigned contest stats tags (beauty, cuteness, coolness, etc.) and that it gives a small boost depending on the contest type

[viscid wren]

That would be fantastic!

[rancid nymph]

Baddy Bad should be a Cool type move 😎 (I know that move isn’t actually going to be in PIF)

[viscid wren]

I can help sort through hats and suggest what stats to buff if need be

[full bison]

Can't wait to give my Stunfisk/Bruxish a ribbon proving definitively that it's the most beautiful Pokemon in Hoenn

[spice sage]

it's actually pretty simple to do too since there's already a tag system for hats. The most work would be to actually assign the tags to everything

[viscid wren]

My igglybuff self fusion will be hoenns toughest son of a gun

[spice sage]

hell yeah! I could definitely use the help 😄

[full bison]

Would it help you out if I posted that Gen 7 move contest types poll, or is that something you already have squared away?

[viscid wren]

[spice sage]

sure!

[full bison]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXeNCsEmSBqkKaQ27zyRlDPfJ-gtk7Q22Gz80V85r8_9Z88g/viewform?usp=dialog

[spice sage]

Could I get the link to the answers too?

[full bison]

This is my first time doing anything with Google forms, how do I go about doing that?

[tacit saddle]

think its like this

For polite reasons ignore my email

[viscid wren]

Is it just the hat your mon wears or do the outfits you wear also affect

[rancid nymph]

Time to spam Sino’s email

[tacit saddle]

NOOO

[spice sage]

right now it's nothing, I haven't started working on contests at all. But I think it should just be the hat that the pokemon wears.

It's a pokemon contest, not a trainer contest 😤

[viscid wren]

Alrighty, that makes perfect sense to me

[rancid nymph]

Tell that to your mom in Sinnoh, who gives you a tuxedo to wear during contests

[viscid wren]

Or the oras games

Dont you get some ridiculous outfit in those?

[tacit saddle]

yeah

[spice sage]

add [e-mail]

[tacit saddle]

ignore the pikachu

[full bison]

Anyone with the link can edit? That honestly sounds like I'm opening the poll up for trolling at that point. I might just need Frog to DM me their email at that point

[tacit saddle]

youd, ideally, send the link to frog

not here

LMAO

oh right

this channel still has the pins from the reveals from 2024

[viscid wren]

That looks painful

[spice sage]

You can also link the responses to a google sheets and send me that link

[tacit saddle]

They have so much swag

[viscid wren]

Painful to sprite I mean

There is so much going on there

[full bison]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11EbGHasQtfuLElO9yNXng1jn7KnxfQ6fnCSlMyXNUpo/edit?usp=drivesdk

I think that's right?

[spice sage]

that works! I sent you an access request

[full bison]

Request accepted

[spice sage]

Thanks! Ngl the results are kinda hard to read though

Ahh never mind

I thought there were more responses

Poll about which contest type the gen 7 moves should be

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXeNCsEmSBqkKaQ27zyRlDPfJ-gtk7Q22Gz80V85r8_9Z88g/viewform?usp=dialog

[spice sage]

I also linked it in #server-forms

[tacit saddle]

i think im funny.

[spice sage]

makes sense to me

[full bison]

Pleasantly surprised with all the Smart and Beauty answers I've been seeing so far. I thought half the list would be warring between Cool and Tough

[tacit saddle]

the only one im not consistnetly selecting is cute

I did it

[full bison]

Probably would have a lot more Cute answers if I did include the LGPE moves, but I'm only including stuff I'm sure could be in the game

[spice sage]

Yeah that's good. Thank you for doing this, it's super helpful! 🙏

[clear lichen]

Probably wasn't cooking with my submissions but shh

[spice sage]

I made another table to count the most popular choices

[full bison]

Good deal

Beak Blast being Smart and Fire Lash being Beauty were not what I was expecting, but I'll take it

[summer apex]

easiest vote of my life

[full bison]

Funny enough there's actually a Tough vote on that

[spice sage]

smhhh

[rancid nymph]

Alright, time for me to put way too much thought into these

[full bison]

I feel like if it was possible to code, Revelation Dance could feasibly be 4 different types depending on the Oricorio using it. Cool for Baille, Cute for Pom Pom, Smart for Pa'u, and Beauty for Sensu

[clear lichen]

Absolute Cinema

[full bison]

Trop Kick and Mind Blown are so far the most interesting moves to follow the results on. There's answers on both of those for 4 different types, and I can see the logic in all those responses

[outer matrix]

I'd pick cool for Mind Blown

[clear lichen]

I was torn between picking cool and beauty, ended up picking the latter

I could see any of the 5 working with the exception of cute

Because blowing your own head up

Is not cute

[rancid nymph]

Cute moves are by far the trickiest

[full bison]

Cute is definitely the least common answer for a move overall, but it's usually a pretty popular pick for the moves it does show up for

[rancid nymph]

Tearful Look is 100% a cute move

Also, Clanging Scales shouldn't be a beautiful move, it's a loud noise that deals damage

[full bison]

To be fair, Sparkling Aria and Relic Song are loud noises that do damage too. I guess it depends on what you think it sounds like

[viscid wren]

I guess I should fill out the form

Ill do that soonish

[rancid nymph]

The description for Clanging Scales is "The user rubs the scales on its entire body and makes a huge noise to attack the opposing Pokémon". That doesn't sound like a beautiful move to me

[rancid nymph]

Hammer arm is also a cool move, so that actually makes sense

[clear lichen]

I think I voted tough on Clanging Scales

[rancid nymph]

I'm voting Smart for Clanging Scales, because I think it's a clever and unique battle strategy

[clear lichen]

I was thinking something along the lines of the user having to tough through using the move due to it lowering the user's Defence by 1 stage

Darkest Lariat I voted as cool

Because when I think Darkest Lariat, I think Incineroar, and Incineroar strikes me as an aurafarmer

[rancid nymph]

I'm voting tough for Lariat, since it's based on a wrestler move

I could live with it being cool though

[summer apex]

off topic but I fucking hate incineroar

I think he's ugly

he also suffers from Bipedal Starter Disease

[velvet root]

OOOH we get contests?

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/howrude-fullhouse-gif-21855082

[summer apex]

(I voted tough)

[rancid nymph]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

We're just voting on what we think the contest types should be for Gen 7 moves

[velvet root]

Kinda not excited about Secret bases

[summer apex]

I'll treat them exactly as I treated them any time I played through hoenn

ignore them entirely

[full bison]

I did have a fun time decorating my secret base as a kid, even without friends who were playing the game alongside me.

[velvet root]

Ngl I hoped for them to become hidden grottos

[rancid nymph]

Secret bases were pretty popular in ORAS. It's a crime that they haven't brought them back since then

[full bison]

TBF a substantial draw to Secret Bases in ORAS was the fact that it was in a game where the Internet connectivity of Pokemon was at it's best

[velvet root]

Cuz people could play visit them easy since we got Internet

[full bison]

I still have fond memories of Blissey Bases

[rancid nymph]

Lazer Focus is a difficult choice

What did other people put for Lazer Focus

[clear lichen]

I put smart

Iirc

[rancid nymph]

Now that you mention it, that probably makes the most sense

[full bison]

Last I checked, Laser Focus is at 100% smart

One of the few moves that has 100% votes at all

Could also see an argument for it being Tough, but there's so many moves that could fall under Tough already

[rancid nymph]

That's what I was going to put it under if not Smart

[summer apex]

smart strike SHOULD be at 100% smart but SOMEBODY had to beef it for the rest of us

[full bison]

It's almost like Pokemon battles are primarily shows of force, and therefore would mostly fall under Tough by default or something

[rancid nymph]

Sparkling Aria creates bubbles, which are what damages the target

[rancid nymph]

Correction: Hammer Arm is cool in Gen 4, but tough in Gen 6

[spice sage]

Results so far

[full bison]

Not sure why First Impression is cute, but that category does deserve a bit of leeway

[clear lichen]

Not sure how the 90 BP priority attack that kicks your shit in is cute but alright

Ice Hammer is cool and Smart Strike is smart

All is right in the world

Went back and forth on Photon Geyser, Prismatic Laser and Sunsteel Strike a lot

Instantly went beauty on Moongeist though :P

For the most part I think mine are mostly similar to the majority

[rancid nymph]

✊ Clanging Scales isn’t Beauty ✊

[clear lichen]

I can see Mind Blown as smart

But at the same time

It really is only smart if you can regrow your head like Blacephalon

If you got it via like

[rancid nymph]

I can’t. You’re blowing up your head

[clear lichen]

Idk

Expert move tutor

Then yeah no blowing up your head isn't very smart

[rancid nymph]

I put it as Beauty because of the fireworks

[clear lichen]

Same

[full bison]

Mind Blown is a pretty debated move typewise

[clear lichen]

True, I think both Cool and Tough fit it quite well too

I mean if you can survive blowing up your fucking head you're probably pretty tough

Just saying

[full bison]

It has votes for every contest type except Cute

And honestly I can't see any argument for it being cute so that tracks

[rancid nymph]

Aw, it blew up its own head. How cute 😝

[sudden jackal]

New poll has dropped yall

[full bison]

Nature's Madness is now the first move to have at least one vote for each contest type

[rancid nymph]

I put Beauty for Nature’s Madness

[full bison]

Prismatic Laser too

Not sure how either of those can be cute, but hey

[trail hull]

voted in it

[prime dust]

i'm looking through it right now

[trail hull]

know hopefully I remember what I voted for when it gets added in 7 years

[prime dust]

I don't think I'm the right person for this because all my responses so far have been tough or cool [and 1 beauty]

and finished

[rancid nymph]

Want did you vote for Clanging Scales?

[prime dust]

i'd have to pull it up to check

and im reading manga atm while i eat bbq pork n beans

[full bison]

As of the latest vote, only two moves still have one type taking up 100% of its votes. Aurora Veil with 100% Beauty, and Brutal Swing with 100% Tough.

[thin pawn]

Why do people want contests so badly

[velvet root]

its fun

[full bison]

They're a fun spin on the Pokemon battling formula

[velvet root]

Also imagine your Mr.Sir winning cuteness

[thin pawn]

i unno

[prime dust]

teach it nothing but beauty moves

[spice sage]

So pretty

[rancid nymph]

It’s pretty at heart, which is all that really matters

[trail hull]

this thing out slay and will slay the oponents

[full bison]

Of all the poll results so far, probably the biggest surprise is that Burn Up has a substantial number of votes for Smart

Don't know about you, but using up all of your energy in one massive burst of flame such that you are no longer a Fire type doesn't sound like the kind of thing you would see from someone smart. Maybe as a desperation move, but that's it

[west sonnet]

I mean, explosion was a beauty move iirc

These were Weird from the start

Theres also some type association - most electric moves are cool

[viscid fossil]

Not until you have a normal/ghost smeargle/shedinja which uses reflect type and then burn up to have no weaknesses

[weak trellis]

aren't most gen 3-4 fire moves beauty or somethin?

[rancid nymph]

For anyone curious, here are my votes:
Accelerock - Cool
Anchor Shot - Smart
Aurora Veil - Beauty
Baneful Bunker - Tough
Beak Blast - Cool
Brutal Swing - Tough
Burn Up - Tough
Clanging Scales - Smart
Core Enforcer - Cool
Darkest Lariat - Tough
Double Iron Bash - Tough
Dragon Hammer - Tough
Fire Lash - Tough
First Impression - Tough
Fleur Cannon - Beauty
Floral Healing - Beauty
Gear Up - Cool
High Horsepower - Tough
Ice Hammer - Tough
Instruct - Smart
Laser Focus - Smart
Leafage - Cute
Liquidation - Tough
Lunge - Tough
Mind Blown - Beauty
Moongeist Beam - Cool
Multi-Attack - Smart
Nature's Madness - Beauty
Photon Geyser - Smart
Plasma Fists - Cool
Pollen Puff - Cute
Power Trip - Tough
Prismatic Laser - Beauty
Psychic Fangs - Cool
Purify - Smart
Revelation Dance - Beauty
Shadow Bone - Tough
Shell Trap - Smart
Shore up - Smart
Smart Strike - Smart
Solar Blade - Cool
Sparkling Aria - Beauty
Spectral Thief - Smart
Spirit Shackle - Smart
Stomping Tantrum - Tough
Strength Sap - Smart
Sunsteel Strike - Tough
Tearful Look - Cute
Throat Chop - Tough
Toxic Thread - Smart
Trop Kick - Cool
Zing Zap - Tough

[tacit saddle]

i think we agree on most

[full bison]

Most of the results are just various ratios of Cool vs Tough vs Smart with the occasional Beauty and elusive Cute

Considering most of Pokemon is just fighting, that pretty much tracks

Shout out to Aurora Veil being the last move with a 100% vote for one type, that being Beauty

Pretty hard to think of it being anything else, really

I feel like a lot of votes are also coming from association with the Pokemon they're the signature move of, IE Trop Kick being mostly voted Beauty and Zing Zap getting a lot of Cute votes

[clear lichen]

Nah, you don't get the strat

Burn Up to remove the Fire Type vs a Rock/Water/Ground opponent while doing damage fr

[hexed agate]

NGL, I went off of the move animations, I remember most of them

[west shuttle]

Oh wow I came here for the first time and this is the first thing I see... It's kinda nonchalant 😂

Oh wait did I remove the ping

I don't remember

[hot flame]

yes

[tacit saddle]

"zing zap" also just

sounds cute

like some fuckin magical girl move or name

[weak trellis]

from what I recall it's JP name is something like "shocking and prickly" so I dunno what that'd count as lol

[full bison]

The description it has until SV describes it as "A strong electric blast crashing down on the target," while SV themselves describe it as the user crashing into the target while delivering an electric shock.

Which doesn't really help considering those can describe just about every other Electric attack

Poll has pretty much gone stagnant at 24 entries, and still there's no consensus on Clanging Scales

It's stuck in a tie between Beauty and Cool, proving that it's decided entirely by how people think it sounds

[zenith sentinel]

what is the chance to add later evolutions to existing pokemon like annihilape and dudunsparce?

[quaint matrix]

Very unlikely

Since unfortunately they're Gen 9

[zenith sentinel]

is there a significance with gen9 ? because I am sure we have gen7 pokemon and I am blanking but do we have gen8?

[full bison]

The version of Poke Essentials that this game uses only goes up to Gen 7

[zenith sentinel]

oh :/

[full bison]

Gen 8-9 Pokemon can theoretically be added, but the last time Frog tried to, the game kept crashing

[zenith sentinel]

that is wild

altho I am saddened, I understand it is a limitation of software, not the wish of the team. I hope we can see the evolutions one day.

ty for the answers

[full bison]

I'm sure it could happen one day, but it's definitely something that's way off in the distant future. Especially when there's so many other beloved Gen 4-7 Pokemon to be added yet

[zenith sentinel]

Oh for sure, I just thought that it would be easier to add evolutions for some reason, which was a weird assumption

[west sonnet]

Its because Frog would need to manually code abilities and moves

which has thusfar gone poorly

the only mon from gen 8/9 with no new Moves Or Abilities is the Nickit line

So really, it could be all mons through to gen 7 PLUS Nickit

[tacit saddle]

BRING NICKIT TO PIF

PLEASEE!!!!

ITD BE THE FUNNIEST INSIDE JOKE EVERRR

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[full bison]

There's definitely other Pokemon from Gens 8-9 that would annoy me more as standalone inclusions than Nickit. Pretty solid design and it has Stakeout to work with.

[quaint matrix]

Yungoos line wouldn't be the only line with Stakeout in this hypothetical

[full bison]

I'm down for replacing the Yungoos line with the Nickit line for the sole reason that it would mean less "extremely funny" joke sprites

[rancid nymph]

If you’re talking about Gumshoos’s hair style, that wouldn’t be allowed due to Rule 8

[gray vine]

well the mon is based on detectives not that

[summer apex]

don't talk about my boy gumshoe like that

https://tenor.com/view/dick-gumshoe-ace-attorney-gumshoe-itonokogiri-keisuke-gyakuten-saiban-gif-21607911

[viscid fossil]

But we could have Swiper from Dora instead

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/maggey-byrde-ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-justice-for-all-maggie-byrde-gif-16999819659228601299

[proud bluff]

idk if there might be legal reasons behind it, but ability to change the music for wild battles and maybe the overworld has been my wishlist for both games

[craggy nexus]

U can do that by replacing files, the audio files are in their own folder and all

[prime dust]

you REALLY need to know what you are doing for that

since with PIF it is a bit jank

and sometimes won't work even if you rename the new files to match the current ones

[velvet root]

Contests, hidden grottos, the ORAS dex nav, shaking grass/dirt cloud etc and cool creative Puzzles
||(And Skiddo line )||

[sterile spoke]

Not really, you just need to make sure the file extension matches the original one in addition to the name. 🙂

So if it's a .ogg file, your replacement also needs to be a .ogg one, otherwise it won't be picked up by RPG Maker. 😄

[eager jungle]

i wonder what will be the equivalent of the secret garden of pif hoenn

[rancid nymph]

Wrong Gumshoe

[proud bluff]

I didnt know if that fell into rule breaking territory?

[prime dust]

it is a gray area

we generally discourage people from editing game files, but that is more in the cheating aspect

[tacit saddle]

editing files that have to do with images and audio are fine

editing the code is the no-no

if we forbade editing images within the game we'd be some hella fun police

(also a temporary fix for an audio issue is literally replacing an audio file in the game. that fix came from mega, old tech manager)

[proud bluff]

That makes a lot of sense. Good to know!

[tacit saddle]

🫡

[sterile spoke]

Exactly, as we even have a guide for replacing Shiny sprites somewhere in the Artwork section. 😅

[winged pecan]

Do you think we'll have the pokemon following the player in the overworld just like in HeartGold/SoulSilver?

It would be so cool

[velvet root]

With all the fusions this sounds pretty impossible to do

[atomic sundial]

Mega Evolution

[full bison]

It could theoretically be done in the sense of only making unfused Pokemon follow you, but that would A: be really odd in a game that's all about prioritizing fusion and B: open the door to endless demands for fused Pokemon to follow suit

[atomic sundial]

Could also make a overworld bodies a patchwork of the head/body like the sprites in the party layout are

Wouldn't be perfect but it'd be something for those it's important too

[winged pecan]

I was thinking more like this

And it would be interesting if we could request a particular fusion to get a sprite just like we do with the fusion, after all there are many fusions without sprites.

[atomic sundial]

True

(Not an expert at coding so please don't hurt me if I'm wrong)

Couldn't it be sort of done by creating a file for custom overworld sprites

And having fans add to that with like bulbasaur/character as (head).(body) 1.4 overworld sprite

[full bison]

You do realize how many more sprites it takes to make an overworld Pokemon, right?

[atomic sundial]

no

I don't really know how it'd work but now that I think of it

Ye that be a lot cuz I was thinking just 4

But forgor walking exists

And running

And what not

[deft obsidian]

What if they decide only fully evolved pokemon can mega evolve
For example gyarados fennekin cannot mega evolve but gyarados delphox can.

Less sprite they need

[atomic sundial]

I mean I don't know if I'm supposed to share this or not but I don't see any rules against it

A while ago I got bored and started looking thru the game files and saw some png's for a mega evolution set up

(Mods if this is supposed to be a secret I'm sorry just lmk and I'll delete it)

I don't really understand the code portions of it so I was just clicking on whatever was an image type file to see what it looked like

It suddenly got quiet so I think I accidentally broke a rule I didn't know existed but I can't find any against what I did

[trail hull]

gen 8 and beyond pokemons
All jokes aside something not unrealistic that I'm excited for is secret base , because since it's sprite we might be able to make custom furnitures to decorate our base with.

[full bison]

If you're talking about how you were poking around the game files, there's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't mess with things too much

[atomic sundial]

O ok cool I didn't mess with anything I was just looking

I also saw what looks like a triple fusion of aereodactyle/kabutops/omastar

[trail hull]

there's also some gen 8 icons , basically iot's pokemon essentials leftover

[atomic sundial]

O ok cool

[trail hull]

like has anyone considered the fact that we might be able to create our own decorations for secret bases

[deft obsidian]

I think that's just default on rpg maker files but I'm not sure so i stayed quiet

[atomic sundial]

O lol

[velvet root]

Ngl I am unsure if Secret bases are so cool

Btw who else is excited about the map revamps like maybe a Oasis in the desert or a more Swampy area

[full bison]

There's still a decent amount of people who would enjoy decorating a place of their own even without online functionality

[full bison]

The area under Mossdeep is just begging to be made into a proper marshland

[velvet root]

Maybe some sort of Home you can buy like in gen 4, you being able to decorate and always port there

[deft obsidian]

That will be awesome
I wish they expand that abandoned ship, or add a snowy area.

[full bison]

The fact that Shoal Cave is the only place where Hail can normally occur according to the Dynamic Weather update tells me that it's the only ice area we're getting

I do hope something interesting is done with Mauville, even if it's not going to be remade into the ORAS version.

The RSE version just feels like any other generic town in any other Pokemon game

Especially bad since it's in Hoenn, the region with some of the most standout locations in the entire series

[viscid wren]

Oh my gosh, thatd be sick!

[hidden relic]

Could take a page from the Pokemon Musical (the Unova thing) on how that works, sounds smart

[full bison]

Finally got another vote on the poll and was excited to see how the Clanging Scales stalemate between Cool and Beauty was broken, and it turns out they voted for Tough so the stalemate is still going strong

[clear lichen]

Yoooo a fellow Tough Clanging Scales voter

This unnamed voter gains my respect

[quaint matrix]

So it's a three way tie now?

[full bison]

The tie literally just got broken a second ago. 10 Beauty, 9 Cool, 4 Tough, 3 Smart

[viscid fossil]

Oops

[quaint matrix]

Clanging Scales Beauty voter rejoice

(It is me I am one of the Beauty voter)

[full bison]

5 tough now

[molten loom]

Idk clanging scales doesn't sound like a beauty move

[clear lichen]

I personally voted Tough because the move lowers Defence, which indicates to me that the move may be somewhat strenuous on the body, so the one using the move must be pretty tough to tough through it

I have no clue why people are voting beauty on it

My brain does not comprehend

Cool I get

[full bison]

I'm convinced the Clanging Scales vote is based entirely on how people think the noise actually sounds

[clear lichen]

Smart, yeah I mean it is somewhat of an ingenious idea for an attack

But if the sound is doing 110 fucking BP something tells me it isn't exactly pleasant sounding

[full bison]

Cause the sound of Clanging metal can make for some pretty sounds, I think is the logic being used?

[clear lichen]

And the move description agrees

[full bison]

Relic Song sounds pleasant and still does damage, so it's a bit muddy there

[molten loom]

What were the votes on sparkling aria, that seems like a clear beauty move imo

[clear lichen]

OK, but like could it even count as damage when it's like 75 BP lmao

[viscid fossil]

Does a move have to be used in the exact same method in a contest vs. battle?

[full bison]

24 Beauty, 2 Cute, 1 Cool

[clear lichen]

But yeah high BP=unpleasant isn't really a good way to measure

But at the same time

[quaint matrix]

I interpret it as rubbing the scales around causes it to vibrate and create a briefly beautiful moment for Kommo-o

[viscid fossil]

It's probably not entirely pleasent when it's being used to attack, but the same method could likely be used musically if an attempt was made

[quaint matrix]

Plus you can interpret its clanging noise as ethereal(ly beautiful)

[clear lichen]

Idk, the warrior dragon that celebrates its victories on its opponents doesn't strike me as one to use music for entertainment

[quaint matrix]

Okay but this is Pokemon Contest isn't it

[clear lichen]

Fair, fair

[molten loom]

Just seems like it's screaming imo

[full bison]

We've got a brand new stalemate move in Trop Kick BTW

[quaint matrix]

Mean Look isn't exactly a Cool move either practically and yet it is Cool (iirc)

[clear lichen]

I just feel like given what we know of the move I'd sooner vote Cool or Tough

[clear lichen]

I can see that

[clear lichen]

I mean the move is called clanging scales I feel like it's pretty clearly clanging its scales

[quaint matrix]

In a contest though?

[clear lichen]

And evidently it's clanging them HARD

Because the move lowers Defence

[quaint matrix]

I think the rubbing of its scales is a huge selling point

[viscid fossil]

The poll really just made me realize that I have no idea what the difference between cool and tough is
Really just vibes at that point

[clear lichen]

Yeah we're basically voting off vibes

[quaint matrix]

And presumably the way those clanging noises came from the scales is adjusted in its sonic/audial potency to create something more pretty

[molten loom]

And somehow it manages to clang them in a specific direction

[clear lichen]

And then making up excuses for it after

[full bison]

I imagine Cool being flashy and Tough being straightforward power

[quaint matrix]

Yeah I can whip a lot of these explainers because this is my reasoning

[viscid fossil]

The only move I genuinely have a stong opinion is ice hammer = cool
because ice joke

[clear lichen]

Like I'm gonna be crystal clear I'm going off vibes and then thinking why I feel those vibes

[quaint matrix]

Some of these moves need no reasoning though

[clear lichen]

True...

[quaint matrix]

Like Sparkling Aria not being Beauty

[molten loom]

Smart strike being smart

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[viscid fossil]

I genuinely clicked on cool before doing a mental faepalm when I realized what I was doing

[full bison]

Someone voted Tearful Look as Cool and I genuinely want to know the logic there

[clear lichen]

How do you see vote numbers btw

[clear lichen]

Misclick or something

[full bison]

I made the poll, so I get the information

[clear lichen]

Oh that's cool

[molten loom]

Instruct is also one that seems obvious for smart

[clear lichen]

Yeah I'd be surprised if it isn't

I voted a lot of the survivability based moves tough

Like, things like Baneful Bunker or Shore Up

[molten loom]

Bunker just sounds tough

[full bison]

Some people voted Instruct as Cute. Not the majority, but multiple people, which leads me to wonder what the thought process is there. Not out of an insult, I'm genuinely curious

[clear lichen]

Shore Up is thematically like adding sand to Palossand's own body to reconstruct itself

Like tell me this isn't a tough move

[quaint matrix]

Oh me again

[clear lichen]

I cannot remember for the life of me what I voted for Spirit Shackle

[quaint matrix]

Iirc a lot of the mons having Instruct are pre-evos and I interpret it in the way of "awwww look at that a cute little thing tries to instruct its fellow performer what's the best course of action"

[clear lichen]

I feel like I either voted cool or smart on it, the latter solely because it traps Pokemon which is a strategy deeper than clicking damage move or clicking stat boost move

[quaint matrix]

I wouldn't think like, a Cleffa doing Instruct is cool for example

[full bison]

Zing Zap is pretty interesting cause it's a really close race between Cool and Cute. Not something I would expect for any other move.

[clear lichen]

Zing Zap kinda just is a cute name imo

[full bison]

I can kinda see that logic.

[molten loom]

Only mon that learns it

[clear lichen]

I have no clue what I voted for it

But still

[quaint matrix]

?????

[quaint matrix]

I could've sworn that was a widely available move?????

Well alright disregard my justification I'm cooked after all

[viscid fossil]

Are you thinking helping hand?

[clear lichen]

Also you may be thinking of something else

What else, I have 0 clue

[quaint matrix]

Yeah maybe???

[clear lichen]

Darkest Lariat I definitely voted on as cool

Like, Incineroar just screams like the sort of Pokemon that'd be a big showoff and trying to fucking aurafarm and shit

I get some other Pokemon learn it via breeding

But come on

[quaint matrix]

I don't remember if I voted it as Cool or Tough

But yeah definitely

[clear lichen]

Who doesn't associate Darkest Lariat with Incineroar

[quaint matrix]

Considering it's a wrestling heel and wrestling heels just love aurafarming

[full bison]

Oh hey, Core Enforcer is tied between Cool and Smart. Figured Cool would have run away with that, I'll be honest

[clear lichen]

It's a similar case with Sparkling Aria

[molten loom]

Nope, just from tm

[clear lichen]

Except I have 0 clue how you'd argue for anything apart from beautiful whether it's Primarina or Lapras

[clear lichen]

Close enough

In that case though it is Incineroar specific in the context of PIF

Since the Darkest Lariat TR is only in Gen 8 and I think 9?

[molten loom]

Oh wait I mean TR (technical record)

[molten loom]

Swsh only

[clear lichen]

Ah alright

Could've sworn I saw Darkest Lariat in a RandBats Snorlax set but I may be tripping

Snorlax gets it in Gen 8 at the very least iirc

[clear lichen]

People are definitely voting Smart because it disables abilities

And is the only move that does so I think?

[clear lichen]

Yup, Snorlax

[quaint matrix]

I agree with Core Enforcer being Smart

[clear lichen]

Crazy how out of all of these a grand total of 0 of these Pokemon use Darkest Lariat in Competitive

Core Enforcer was always gonna be Cool or Smart

No way around it

[quaint matrix]

If it was anything but these guys using em

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-zygarde-100-percent-100-percent-form-zygarde-complete-core-enforcer-gif-14758916196768184669

[clear lichen]

Bro got fucking slaughtered

RIP bozo

You will not be remembered

[quaint matrix]

These guys using em just makes me think they're Cool though because I would not think of the strategic value/the intelligent usage of Core Enforcer in a contest I would just go "oh shit have you see that big robot mon fucking over that Clefable"

(I know Clefable is a fairy but yknow you get the idea)

[clear lichen]

Core Enforcer's argument for being cool is looking cool as fuck

[quaint matrix]

Exactly

[clear lichen]

That's about it

[quaint matrix]

But if it was like idk Alakazam or Drampa using it I could see it being Smart

[clear lichen]

But god damn is that a good reasoning

[quaint matrix]

It comes down to the presentation + who presents it

[molten loom]

Given that core enforcer is zygardes signature it would definitely be cool

[quaint matrix]

Yea

[clear lichen]

Leafage I had 0 idea what to vote

So I voted cute with the logic that it is an early game move

And is probably small

[quaint matrix]

Yea same

[clear lichen]

I am not a very complex goober

[quaint matrix]

It's a 40 BP fuckass early game move

No complex reasoning needed

[molten loom]

Fleur cannon is another signature move, I wonder how that got voted

[quaint matrix]

They're all Cute

[full bison]

Leafage is just throwing leaves around, doesn't sound like it could be anything but cute

[clear lichen]

Gear Up sounds like it could be either smart or cool depending on how you frame it

[full bison]

Almost entirely Beauty with some Cute and Smart

[molten loom]

Or tough

[clear lichen]

True, true

[clear lichen]

Makes sense to me

Hey does Light of Ruin have contest stats?

[molten loom]

What about floral healing

[full bison]

Classified as Beauty, according to Bulbapedia

[clear lichen]

Makes sense

I'd think either beauty or cool

[full bison]

Pretty close race between Beauty and Cute

[clear lichen]

Cool being purely based off the name

Like

C'mon

LIGHT OF RUIN

[molten loom]

Mind blown?

[clear lichen]

That name goes so hard

[quaint matrix]

Since we're on the topic of "hot Contest move takes based on the poll"

How many people voted Cute on Mind Blown

[full bison]

Primarily Smart, but has votes for everything but Cool

[clear lichen]

It's a darn shame that it never was released

[quaint matrix]

Or Beauty

Ah

[clear lichen]

That surprises me, I'd expect votes on cool

The votes on smart are very context reliant

You see, usually blowing up your fucking head isn't smart

But if you can regrow them like Blacephalon, then go ahead

[full bison]

Photon Geyser has votes for every contest type, which makes sense cause there's strong arguments for everything except IMO Cute

[molten loom]

Moongeist beam?

[clear lichen]

NecrOWOzma

(Kill me)

[full bison]

Almost entirely Beauty

[molten loom]

Checks out

[clear lichen]

Lunala best member of the light trio don't @ me about it

[molten loom]

How about prismatic laser

[clear lichen]

Prismatic Laser I can see votes for anything except smart and cute

[quaint matrix]

Revelation Dance gotta be dominated by Beauty votes right

[molten loom]

I'd assume also beauty

[clear lichen]

I generally see all the recharge moves as like

Extreme last resort moves

That are used out of desperation

And leave the user winded

[full bison]

Correct. Though I personally would have it depend on the Oricorio form using it, personally

[clear lichen]

Which isn't very smart

[viscid fossil]

It better be beauty (I'm biased as a terraria player)

[quaint matrix]

Ehhhhhhh?

All the Oricorio forms can be argued to have Beauty in each aspect of using Revelation Dance

[clear lichen]

Would probably be too complex I'd imagine

[full bison]

Fair

[quaint matrix]

I don't think it makes sense for any of the forms' Revelation Dance to be anything but Beauty

[clear lichen]

Anyways what are the Prismatic Laser votes

[full bison]

Pom-Pom tho

[molten loom]

Don't hurt it

Or else

[quaint matrix]

I mean people think cheerleaders are pretty first before cute or anything else

[clear lichen]

I can practically hear my like 50 second hitless speedkills with Mage already

[velvet root]

Where is the vote?

[clear lichen]

I FUCKING LOVE BUBBLE GUN

[full bison]

Mostly Beauty

[molten loom]

Pins

[quaint matrix]

Semi related

Throat Chop

[clear lichen]

Makes sense

[quaint matrix]

That's gotta be mostly Smart right

[full bison]

Throat Chop is mostly tough. Probably considered more barbaric than smart by most voters

[molten loom]

It's quite strong yeah

[quaint matrix]

Makes sense

[clear lichen]

Makes sense given the type

[viscid fossil]

Daytime eol is more of a dps test than anything

[quaint matrix]

There's great strategic value in snuffing out your competitor's ability to sing and dazzle the audience but damn you'd probably just think that shit's painful as hell always

[clear lichen]

True, but I am pretty capable of going hitless for prolonged periods on it

Terraria is the 1 game I'm not bad at

[full bison]

Lunge is one I was hoping would be Cute, and for a while it was pretty tied up, but it looks like Tough ran away with it by now

[quaint matrix]

It's a bit hard to argue it being Cute considering the mons that learn it

[molten loom]

I'm still a little shocked this server has almost 70k more members than the Terraria one

[quaint matrix]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that stuff but also most would not think these guys are cute first off fresh in their mind

[clear lichen]

If I saw Araquanid lunge at me I would have a heart attack

So yeah fair enough

[quaint matrix]

I think the cutest mon in there is Dewpider and Mothim and even then

[clear lichen]

I'm not even an arachnophobe

Araquanid is just unnaturally massive

And very menacing

[full bison]

Someone voted Strength Sap as Cute which might be the most confusing one to me

[clear lichen]

Like

[clear lichen]

1.8 fucking meters tall

[quaint matrix]

What's the biggest vote for Strength Sap is it Smart

[clear lichen]

That's not legspan

That's height

[full bison]

Yup

[clear lichen]

Straight up

[quaint matrix]

Yeah makes sense

[clear lichen]

This mf who is far wider than it is tall

Stands about as tall as a human

And it commonly traps people in its head bubble to suffocate them to death

Like excuse me

[velvet root]

Yall voted smart strike as tough too right

[quaint matrix]

It was just too easy man

What's Accelerock's votes btw I can't help but think it's another "it kinda fits in every Contest category" move

[velvet root]

Throat chop gonna be cute

[full bison]

Mostly Cool, little bit Tough, tiny bit Smart

[clear lichen]

Araquanid is the 2nd biggest Totem Pokemon, behind only Totem School Wishiwashi

[quaint matrix]

Oh it's less split than I thought

[clear lichen]

And it is shown to cause Totem Wishiwashi to flee upon sighting it anyways

[quaint matrix]

I guess tbf Midday Lycanroc is the only form that learned it and it is a very cool looking rock dog

[clear lichen]

Araquanid is more terrifying the more you think about it

So yeah uhh

Not very cute of it

Anyways, Araquanid>Golisopod

[full bison]

Sunsteel Strike has just reached a perfect 50/50 on Cool vs Tough. Honestly no idea which way I would weigh that

[viscid fossil]

Lunge still feels like a Gen 4 move to me
Mostly because of how common it was in the tcg

[clear lichen]

Sunsteel Strike just really feels like both a cool and tough move

[quaint matrix]

Sunsteel is definitely pretty 50/50

Cuz Solgaleo is tuff as hell but Solgaleo in black and yellow?

https://tenor.com/view/yung-schmoobin-flex-flex-gang-flex-entertainment-schmoobin-gif-25973467

So it's also cool

[velvet root]

Do you guys vote depending on the Pokemon that has the move

[clear lichen]

I forgot

[quaint matrix]

A lot of it is what instructs me yes

[clear lichen]

I was probably inconsistent on whether I did or not

[quaint matrix]

(Please ignore the Instruct fumble I talked about a few minutes ago)

[clear lichen]

badam tss

[quaint matrix]

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-25726534

[full bison]

Seems to be a pretty common direction based on some of the results, most notably Zing Zap and Trop Kick

[velvet root]

Ngl I looked at every moves animation and decided on that

[molten loom]

I did that for some

[quaint matrix]

Some of them I definitely vote based on the context clues of how it would work on a contest best (i.e: my reasoning for Clanging Scales being Beauty)

[full bison]

Trop Kick is currently tied between Tough and Beauty. And TBF those can both be used to describe the Girlboss Mon it's attached to

And then Zing Zap mostly has Cool, but also Cute is not far behind. Mostly, I imagine, cause it's the move of a Pikaclone

[clear lichen]

I think I voted cool for it too but tbh

Zing Zap is a cute name

Idk why

[full bison]

I think someone earlier said it sounded like a Magical Girl move. And I can kinda see that

[quaint matrix]

I voted Zing Zap as cute and that's not even because of the name

How are you gonna perceive Togedemaru as anything but cute when this thick looking rodent just crashes on you and gets all woozy

[viscid fossil]

round

[clear lichen]

Because its gonna be fused with uhh uhh uhh

Idk

Fucking

Tyranitar

Or something

Idfk

[viscid fossil]

pinsir

[full bison]

Togedemaru/Tyranitar unironically sounds like it would make something really neat

[velvet root]

Just wait for my Pinsir to win cuteness

[full bison]

First time I actually thought of a Pikaclone making for an interesting fusion

[velvet root]

I mean Emolga exists or Dedenne

[unkempt thunder]

Every day I wait for this to release, I swear I'll spend hundreds of hours decorating a cool hidden base alone. This team has struck gold.

[clear fulcrum]

I wish for my boi tropius

[thin pawn]

I want a tropius/ultra necrozma fusion that is just one giant glowing banana

[prime dust]

he will come with PIF Hoenn

he might not be in the demo

but he will be in the full release

[clear fulcrum]

Tropius/ cloyster

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-konosuba-kazuma-sad-hand-on-shoulder-gif-2472116041386216360

[tired slate]

Imagine Togedemaru fusions

[velvet root]

What I should make a Togedemaru fusion?

[tired slate]

Electrode and Togedemaru

The balliest of balls

[broken heart]

alll the eeveelutions

[full bison]

Tyranitar

[hexed agate]

Imagine Charjabug fusions

They'd be perfect

[velvet root]

All I know exist

[hexed agate]

Based...

[full bison]

Vikavolt is definitely pretty high up on the list of Pokemon I would like to see added whenever the roster update after the Hoenn release comes around

[viscid fossil]

We were robbed
Charjabug was definitely "nubby" from the phantump 'game'

[full bison]

Have no idea what that's referring to. Gonna guess it was one of the pre-reveal ARG-esque things leading up to Phantump's reveal? Cause I wasn't in this server at that point

[proud lion]

It was a text adventure involving someone trying to find their lost child that has both a good and bad ending, but have the same result of Phantump being confirmed

[full bison]

Considering Drifloon was already in the game, the "lost child" angle could really only end with Phantump in terms of Pokemon reveals

[viscid fossil]

You got to explore several areas around Goldenrod, each one having a random detail that could refer to a mon.
One of them was the supposed egg thief saying he was just picking up a Pokémon named "nubby"

Some other hints in other areas included
-wings
-segmented body
-alola
-evolves from stone.

Then v2 dropped and revealed that all the "hints" were referring mostly to Pokémon that were already announced to be in the new version.
We did get to see cool dino tho.

[full bison]

So Cool Dino is basically an in-joke inclusion to the base game?

[river viper]

Just a cool suggestion we have to get Steven stone talking about his double Metagross fusion

[full bison]

I really hope he doesn't. Double Fusions as opponents are just regular Pokemon with different sprites, and are therefore not interesting to fight. Blue's starter being replaced by a double Dragonite is the worst part of his remix mode team.

[pale sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/go-away-oops-awkward-big-eyes-gif-1236606401277977014

[marsh matrix]

My main question is this: how should the Hoenn legends and mythical be included in the main story, if there is an extended one?

[full bison]

The boxart trio is widely agreed that it should be a triple fusion fight at the climax, with the big debating point being how that would happen. As for the mythicals, Jirachi would probably just be some off-the-beaten-path Easter egg encounter, and Deoxys will either also be that or perhaps get an Episode Delta-esque encounter

[viscid wren]

Delta episode esque would be sick

[velvet root]

Am I the only one hoping for some sort of extended map like in pif 1

[full bison]

Would the Battle Frontier being included count as an extended map?

[velvet root]

Not really

Doesnt have to be a lot
But imo one of the best things in pif is the biggish post game

[outer matrix]

add in pre-made "mirage islands"

[hexed frost]

Haven't checked on this chat in a hot minute.
Has Castform been confirmed to have one form per weather (sunny, rainy, snowy, normal)? Or only change the type without a form change (just normal)?

[tacit saddle]

they have the multiple forms

[quaint matrix]

I wonder if the hotel Jirachi meetup will be replaced by another legendary

Imagining Marshadow taking its place lmao

[inland jewel]

considering Jirachi is a hoenn mon, they might just keep that event as jirachi

[clear heron]

hoenn

blue fish

red dinosaur

green lizard

hoenn

[viscid wren]

Hey

Its a blue dolphin not a fish

And its a noodle, not a lizard

[tacit saddle]

Kyogre is a WHALE

[clear lichen]

It's an orca

So I'm calling it a dolphin

Not even a big dolphin either

It's small compared to an actual orca

So it's a small dolphin

Relative to others of its species

(But not to dolphins as a whole)

[velvet root]

Ew
I never use a Hotel again if that happens

[viscid wren]

To be clear, killer whales a.k.a. orcas are not in fact whales, they are a porpoise as are dolphins
Kyogre is basically a blue dolphin

[clear lichen]

OK real talk though

Would you consider Kyogre bigger than its inspiration or not?

I mean it is on the bigger end of dolphins

But st the same time comparing it to an orca it is factually small

Like people talk about Groudon being weirdly small considering how it's a dinosaur but I don't see many people mention how the same applies for Kyogre

[pastel trench]

I mean kyogre, on its primal form is like only 30 feet, it should be atleast 50+

[velvet root]

Tbf Groudon is more Dino size than Kyogre is Orca sisze

[clear lichen]

The Primal form is about the size of a large orca in terms of length

But in terms of weight it is ridiculously lighter

430 kg vs 10 motherfucking tons

Primal Kyogre is the size of a very large orca yet 23 times less heavy

[full bison]

This is the same series with a whale that floats in the air with how badly its weight was handled. It's best to just ignore Pokemon heights and weights for the sake of sanity