pif-hoenn-discussion

[full bison]

Also could give Sharpness as an alternative if you don't wanna use Gallade

[velvet root]

Troll fish doesnt mean trash mon

[hexed agate]

Filet Away Zygarde

[hollow fern]

Will PIF Hoenn have an NB option when starting out? It feels weird that it's not already an option for PIF tbh

[clear lichen]

But trolls are meant to be trolls, and Basculegion is actually peak

There is no way Tinkaton doesn't get in first for this exact reason

Based

Think bigger. Add Galarian Stunfisk

Bad in battle, unpopular Pokemon, and would be the only Gen 8+ AND regional form Pokemon

That would be the ultimate troll fish

(I actually don't mind Gunfisk)

[velvet root]

Even bigger
Add both but only as fusion

[quaint matrix]

Only if it necessitates adding Wally as the 3rd player character choice

Or is his name Wallace idr

[clear lichen]

Wallace is the gym leader/champion. Wally is the rival

[quaint matrix]

Oh great I was right

Wait what the heck is Wally short for then is there just two Wallaces in the RSE story

[clear lichen]

... Huh

That's an excellent question

[tacit saddle]

pop it in the suggestions forum for hoenn

[junior tiger]

Could be just Wally. Also, Waldo

[quaint matrix]

Oh Walter too I guess

[tacit saddle]

lot of wal names

[junior tiger]

Walton. Waldorf. Walford. I can keep going but it just gets worse from here.

[kindred scarab]

Walnut

[hollow fern]

Walden

[white zealot]

anyone know a good way to trap ensuine. i tried frost balls but it didnt work

please please please please

[hollow fern]

Wrong channel

#gameplay-help or #playthrough-talk

[visual aspen]

what the heck are frost balls, anyway? from kurt?

[prime dust]

i forget what npc you can get them from, but they are special pokeballs that inflict the frozen status when used

those and para balls are perfect combinations to use with another pokeball, the status ball

which increases the odds of capture if the mon is inflicted with a status effect

[clear lichen]

Hello chat

I have 0 clue what to yap about that could relate to a new game today

[viscid fossil]

Should Rich boy Winston give 1400 monies (rse) or 960 (oras)

[viscid wren]

Waluigi

[viscid wren]

Oh hey, thats a terraria pfp. Nice!

[viscid fossil]

It's great that I know the exact meme that the pfp is from

[shadow magnet]

Will there ever be a point where having too many sprites in the game could slow it down or cause problems?

[little cedar]

I think PIF switching to spritesheets addressed a lot of those scaling issues

[prime dust]

we had that problem before we switched to sprite sheets

with all the sprites being individual images it slowed the game down a bit

[outer matrix]

I hope that'll reduce lag if I were playing the game on a hardrive

[rancid nymph]

Waluigi may not be able to get into smash, but he can get into Pokémon

[elfin forge]

Considering DexNav encounters like Zorua and Seel will be added to the normal encounter pools in PIF Hoenn, I wonder if we'll get all of the DexNav exclusive mons not already in IF (examples being the Pidove, Druddigon, Clauncher and Bronzor lines)

[velvet root]

Funny enough we talked about that 2 days ago

[elfin forge]

kinda doubt it considering that'd be 59 more pokemon (give or take a few forms) but it'd be cool

[elfin forge]

Yeah I just remembered that

[velvet root]

I mean it would be cool and some gen 5 love

[outer matrix]

Gen 5 needs it

[full bison]

"with all the talk around wanting more Gen 5 rep, I've decided to add the Monkeys and nothing else." -Frog at some point, maybe

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-this-as-a-win-avengers-hulk-end-game-bruce-banner-gif-13003697794740751730

[outer matrix]

Any addition would be great

[outer matrix]

Imagine if a new reveal was (hypothetically) announced at 700k members and it's just this

[full bison]

The backlash would make the Bruxish incident look tame lol

Two new Triples, at least

Though he does tend to include something people actually want alongside the troll, like Diancie alongside Luvdisc.

[outer matrix]

How about: Gen 7 starters AND the monkeys

Both sides will win with what they want

[elfin forge]

Nah. Gen 5 starters would make more sense

[velvet root]

How about the gen 7 Monkey duo and the Gen 5 Monkeys

But yeah I think people expect the monkeys to be wowrse than they are

[outer matrix]

the gen 5 monkeys just need more praise than anger

imo they have interesting designs and I even had a simisear on my BW team for the entire game

[quaint matrix]

And they're pretty decent in terms of gameplay and fusions

[prime dust]

the gen 5 monkeys just need to not exist

[minor rover]

kinda wonder what the best fusions will be for this game

[junior tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/period-pooh-periods-check-gif-21408802

[full bison]

The obvious answer is Medicham/Slaking. Great offensive type+ Most of Slaking's offenses combined with Pure Power

Other than that I'm not sure what else makes especially broken combos besides the obvious Slaking and Shedinja

[visual aspen]

a weapon to surpass azumarill/slaking

[weak trellis]

Shedinja is also here if you're into Cheese, can just slap that onto anything that only gives it one weakness

(bug/steel, ghost/normal or ghost/dark all work)

[visual aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-gif-25732604

[hollow fern]

I honestly love how goofy the gen 5 monkeys are

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-for-everyone-celebration-sheogorath-oblivion-cheese-gif-17388331

[marble meadow]

if ultrabeast get added in the future and if possible in pif hoenn it should be possible to enter the wormholes and for blacepholon it should be Festival or circus themed

[prime dust]

anything from gen 4-7 not yet added in [i say that range because the rest of gen 3 addition is confirmed for PIF Hoenn] might get added in the future

[shadow magnet]

only reason I asked was because I had considered suggesting spritepacks for references/alts/etc. If the spreadsheets completely fixed the issue then I suppose it's not necessary

I'm a notorious reference disliker tho

[trail hull]

Well since the demo will only go up to gym 2 , I think it might be possible for next year

[velvet root]

Oh we know that about the demo?

[trail hull]

yes

[prime dust]

lol, yeah no thankfully the sprite sheets resolved most of the sprite shenanigans, the only new borkage with sprites is solely thanks to 6.6 resetting all sprites to their autogens

the only fix that could maybe be added on now would be to make it so the game comes stock with all the base mon sprite sheets that exist up to the Feb 2025 Pack

[trail hull]

Would be a hassle if we have sprite removal

Or sprite update

[prime dust]

i mean there is an automated system for sprite removal

granted that is for fusions but the sprite sheets exist in the same place just different folders

sure it may add some complexity to the process but I feel as if it would really help, especially right now

given those are the sprites that are currently clogging up the download cap more than anything

I think

[dim sparrow]

That is actually a pretty good idea
(alt spritepack for references I mean)

it could be a setting and save alot of disc space for people who don't care about reference sprites

[shadow magnet]

I wasnt sure if it would be necessary or not but spritepacks would be a feature I would personally enjoy 😅

[prime dust]

i mean we alreacy have sprite packs, but those have all the sprites for each month in them

i feel like making it so the stuff like excess alts, joke sprites or reference sprites is yet another download might be a bit annoying

i understand not wanting to have it personally, but in the long run, it just makes more sense to have all those packaged in with the rest of the sprites

the only reason I mentioned the base sprites was due to an issue the game is having at current

[shadow magnet]

I definitely don't like making more issues, but if it would help in the future then I'd keep it in mind! As the game is now we're probably fine with everything on the spreadsheets tho

[quaint vale]

Guys so allegedly there will be a Hoenn Infinite Fusion game

I have no evidence to back up this claim tho

[thin pawn]

Source?

[visual aspen]

sounds fishy

[viscid wren]

Hella sus

[viscid fossil]

You know what else is fishy? Kyogre.

Checkmate.

[dusty arrow]

kyogre is a whale..

[rain locust]

I disagree.

[viscid fossil]

fishy. traits relating to a fish, not neccesarily a fish itself.

[rain locust]

I disagree.

[molten dawn]

i just wanna see Zangoose+Charizard and Zangoose+Infernape

ya know what

Zangoose+[all fire starters]

[hollow fern]

Don't we already have Zangoose?

[quaint matrix]

Nope

No Seviper either

[hollow fern]

Huh

Zangoose/Seviper is going to go so hard

[quaint matrix]

I'm pretty sure we saw them already in the Hoenn trailer lmao

Yup there they are

[tropic dew]

I had a thought. Since the Meloetta sidequest in PIF ended up with getting their band back together, maybe a fun sidequest idea for PIF Hoenn would be for the aforementioned band to go on tour in Hoenn? 🤔

just something to file away for future reference

[ruby marsh]

would fit in well with the pokemon contests if they add them

[velvet root]

I really hope they add them
I always liked them

[ruby marsh]

meloetta rhythm minigame in the pokemon contests

[full bison]

Has there been a fangame with a focus on contests? That really feels like a niche waiting to be filled

[tropic dew]

That's an interesting idea, too. Having their tour destinations also being the Contest Halls across Hoenn. Starting off small with the Verdanturf Town Contest Hall, then going to the bigger venues in Fallarbor Town, Slateport City, and finally Lilycove City.

[velvet root]

You could give frog that idea

[tropic dew]

I'm sure they'll see it in here, probably.

maybe.

[outer matrix]

if he doesn't, you could probably send it to the ideas/wishes form for PIF Hoenn

[junior tiger]

Whales are mammals. Fish are distinctly not.

[brittle crow]

Wonder if contests are returning since hoenn

ribbons, poke blocks

[quaint matrix]

Milotic will finally have a canonical evo method in this game lmao

[full bison]

I just hope the Gen 7 moves aren't a big hurdle there

[visual aspen]

some gen 7 moves are in the base game already, actually

so the chances aren't bad

[full bison]

The existence of Gen 7 moves isn't the problem, it's that they have no contest stats

[visual aspen]

ah, understandable

that could be the next point of discussion

[full bison]

Guys I wonder what contest type Smart Strike would be

[visual aspen]

sounds cool

[velvet root]

Cool ofc

I remember how I did contests with my Groudon in OR like all kinds of contest and got on top

[broken heart]

Is the new pic Mimikyu + Tropius?

[velvet root]

Looks like it

[prime dust]

it is

#event-announcements message

[hexed agate]

It's the best place to guarantee that not only he'll see it, but it'll be somewhere he'll see it again

A lot goes on daily, so realistically speaking you want to send him stuff in a centralized place if you want him to not only read it, but also keep your suggestions

[wild fractal]

Does anyone know how long until Infinite Fusion Hoenn is released?

[hexed agate]

It'll come out when it does, we'll give a heads up when that comes to be

[wild fractal]

Sorry for asking just once and getting a "it will come out when it has to come out" answer.

[prime dust]

lol

we have a rough guesstimate on the demo, which should be around Nov or Dec of this year

[which will go up to Slateport]

as for the rest of the game, hard to say, because Frog isn't just working on PIF Hoenn, he also needs to work on PIF since 6.6 broke a good chunk of things

the above may delay the demo

[full bison]

Games take a long time to make, plus Frog is doing most of the work himself.

[viscid wren]

Isnt it a killer whale? Which are porpoises?

[wild fractal]

Thanks for responding politely ❤️

[clear lichen]

They're dolphins

Ig technically all cetaceans are whales but technically birds are reptiles which are in turn fish

So who the fuck cares

Whale as an informal term is not the same as dolphin and by that informal term, Orcas are dolphins

And not whales

Anyways, this does mean that Kyogre is a dolphin

And funnily enough, it is an undersized one

Male orcas average from 6-8 meters long, maxing out at 9.8m

Kyogre is only 4.5 m long

The difference in weight is even wider

People call Groudon small a lot

But nobody ever acknowledged that Kyogre is small in the same way

AKA it's big until you compare it to what it was based on

[full bison]

Fish refers to such a broad spectrum of animals that just about every vertebrae on the planet is relatively closely related to at least one fish species

[clear lichen]

Exactly why there's 0 point arguing what an animal is scientifically

You don't see anyone calling birds dinosaurs, or insects crustaceans, or lizards fish

Unless they want to be funny and make a joke about it

[tropic dew]

Man... thinking on all the modern Pokemon games including some kind of cooking gimmick makes me wonder if it wouldn't be so farfetched to include some kind of cooking system in a Pokemon fangame in general.

Nothing crazy like a full-on cooking minigame or anything, but maybe something closer to the Cooking system present in Tales series games? Something like that would be simpler than creating a wholeass minigame around the idea, but still rather robust given how cooking works in most Tales titles.

That said, one would have to track down an RPG Maker XP-compatible Script that also doesn't conflict with Pokemon Essentials, and compatibility troubleshooting with other scripts would be a whole buttload more work to do.

So like... something to muck around with as a side project, instead of something to add into any future PIF project any time soon.

[full bison]

Come to think of it, with how laggy PIF can be, if we are doing Contests, we should probably have a different method of making Pokeblocks than the minigame that exists in RSE. The timing in there is already really strict, even without lag messing things up.

[viscid wren]

I think it should be changed regardless

[lunar lodge]

https://youtu.be/8M_QOUqbxgY idk if this has been shared but this could be useful idk ok thx bye sorry

[viscid wren]

Leave em in

[tacit saddle]

give us MORE bad tiles

[viscid wren]

Call it an artistic interpretation

Whats the word

Abstract, thats what I was thinking of

[quaint matrix]

It's artistic interpretation

[molten loom]

We must get a Hoenn bad tiles thread that has as many posts as the current one does

[viscid wren]

Before the full game releases

[tacit saddle]

yes!!!

[molten loom]

We might find like 10 when the demo comes out and then people will just report them constantly and it's always the same ones

[viscid wren]

Looking forward to it

[viscid fossil]

Why do we even have that thread
Nothing comes of it

[tacit saddle]

actually they are fixed over time

[molten loom]

Somethings do get fixed, they're just not very high priority

[tacit saddle]

yeah

my favorite one was fixed and im forever mad about it

[viscid wren]

Yeah like the early celadon grass was fixed

[molten loom]

?tag partybudew

[opal trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/700790080175996938/804503692392005632/rainbowbudew.gif

[molten loom]

So sad we can't do this in game anymore

[tacit saddle]

YEAHHH IM SO SAD ABOUT THAT ONE

[viscid fossil]

That should genuinely be what a double shiny does

[tacit saddle]

true

[viscid wren]

Party budew?

[molten loom]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1325278610633785435

[viscid fossil]

(blank) Itchy pollen (10)
During your opponent's next turn, they can't play any item cards from their hand.

[viscid wren]

Thats.... not charmander

[molten loom]

That's totally Charmander

[viscid wren]

It can be a charmander if it wants to be

[tacit saddle]

my perfectly normal charmander

[molten loom]

I will ask, what were you even doing with that?

Or do you not remember

[tacit saddle]

i have no recollection

i think i was just having fun with importing sprites or i was doing bug testing

[viscid wren]

Im more curious of how

[molten loom]

It's very easy

[tacit saddle]

good ole sprite import

?tag importsp

[opal trail]

To successfully import your own custom sprite, please follow these steps:

Sprite Requirements:

1. Format: The sprite must be in .png format.
2. Naming Convention: Name your sprite according to the game's dex numbering. For example, a fusion of Aegislash and Goodra should be named 329.446.png.

Importing Your Sprite:

1. Ensure your sprite meets the criteria above.
2. Open your game folder and navigate to Graphics/CustomBattlers/Sprites to import.
3. Paste your sprite into this folder.

In-Game Instructions:

1. Launch the game.
2. The game will automatically detect the new sprites.
3. If you have an existing sprite that you're replacing, select the option "Replace All the old sprites with the new ones" when prompted.

Once completed, you can view your custom sprite in-game from the Pokedex's Sprite tab.

[tacit saddle]

[molten loom]

I also did it in the thread but with budew to try and copy the gif

[viscid wren]

Well yeah but how did you get rumble model to fot the sprite

[tacit saddle]

you can import any image

[molten loom]

Very carefully

[tacit saddle]

itll automatically size stuff

[viscid wren]

Huh

Neat

[viscid fossil]

I literally imported a copy of the trainer sprite when I did that sub-plot when I got zoroark'd

[tacit saddle]

LMAO

[viscid wren]

Well I shall go back to figuring out what to do now that I accidentally made a zombie

[tacit saddle]

how does one

accidentally make a zombie

[viscid wren]

I was trying to make the trainer sprite look like a mannequin, but since I left it with white eyes it looks like a zombie

[molten loom]

The attempt to recreate it

[tacit saddle]

<@&306953740651462656> GOOD MORNINGGG

[molten loom]

<@&306953740651462656>

[tacit saddle]

invest in your mom

[viscid fossil]

Wow, Mark Cuban has the epic gamer role. (there's no point in a third ping, so eh.)

[winged bear]

https://tenor.com/view/inspector-gadget-minecraft-minecraft-movie-brown-bricks-brown-bricks-in-minecraft-gif-11488613102745152145

[tacit saddle]

Tanks oakwood

[viscid wren]

Oakwood, the goat

[topaz hinge]

Yo Killer scars why is tech support not answering?

[sudden jackal]

we are human too ya know with our own lives and stuff

[sterile spoke]

Also, don't pester people in other channels if you don't get a response. It's annoying and detracts from the actual topics at hand. 😦

[gray vine]

so you maybe should use that life to reply to them in tech support

tsk tsk

[velvet root]

Hope your joking

[gray vine]

actually im Silverr

[sterile spoke]

[muted venture]

oh man oh man i cant wait for swellow

[vocal pivot]

Guts flying type

With boomburst as an egg move

Scrappy boomburst. Swellow is gonna be so broken in IF

[full bison]

Versatile at the very least, cause access to Scrappy Boomburst and Guts means there's ample reason to build it either as a physical or special attacker. I can see myself doing several varied runs with it

[vocal pivot]

Same

[weak trellis]

"born to Guts Facade, Forced to Scrappy Boomburst a decade later"

[vocal pivot]

What if I go with a guts, choice band swellow fusion with a partner to use will-o-wisp on it?

Boomburst is nice spread damage with scrappy/specs

[full bison]

Exploud gets Scrappy Boomburst too, but the fact that Swellow actually has good speed makes me consider it the superior option over Exploud's mid-across-the-board stats

Looking at it again, nevermind mid, Exploud just sucks overall lol.
Typical Gen 3 Mon that's slow and frail, but tries to make up for it with strong offenses

Except its offenses are base 91 on both sides, so it's absolutely not worth it

[vocal pivot]

Exploud is the bulkier version with higher sp.atk.

Fuse it with something with good defenses and sp.atk and I see it as a trick room alternative to swellow fusions

[clear lichen]

I mean if you're doing a playthrough you just pre-poison, no?

[vocal pivot]

Reuniclus/Exploud

[clear lichen]

If you're playing competitive doubles you probably should not be using a swellow

Fused or not

[vocal pivot]

You can

[clear lichen]

Scrappy Boomburst alongside a Soundproof mon sounds funny but probably would not be practical in competitive

But for playthroughs, go ahead

[full bison]

Scrappy vs Magic Guard is a big discard and draw situation and I'm not sure which is better.

[clear lichen]

I'd lean towards Magic Guard

Since like

Tf are Ghosts gonna do to you anyways

You're a Normal type

[vocal pivot]

Scrappy for this specific one because I want to click boomburst like a monkey

[clear lichen]

And Magic Guard is perhaps like, a top 3 non signature ability

For Singles, for Doubles probably not

But I'd imagine it's still great

[vocal pivot]

Funni stab 140 base power spread move boosted by choice specs 🐒

[clear lichen]

If a Pokemon has 2 good abilities in its kit and one is Magic Guard, always bet on Magic Guard is what I've learnt from looking at examples

Regenerator vs Magic Guard on Reun? Magic Guard

Unaware vs Magic Guard on Clef? Magic Guard

Tinted Lens vs Magic Guard on Sigilyph? Magic Guard

Sadly that already accounts for 3 of the 4 fully evolved Pokemon with it, it isn't distributed much and for good reason

Alakazam is the last fully evolved Pokemon with Magic Guard and uhh

It doesn't really have any other good ability

[vocal pivot]

That lets it use life orb without recoil

[clear lichen]

Also allows it to keep a Sash intact in spite of the common entry hazards (for Singles)

[vocal pivot]

Ye

[clear lichen]

There's so many things that do indirect damage

And Magic Guard blocks all but a handful of them

Perish Song, Crash Damage, Explosion self KO, Struggle damage, Clangorous Soul and Belly Drum

Wait mb it blocks crash damage

So self KO moves, Struggle, Perish Song and moves that directly affect the user's HP instead of inflicting damage (Sub, Belly Drum, Clangorous Soul, Ghost type Curse and Pain Split)

But blocks Sandstorm damage, Stealth Rock/Spike/Max Steelsurge damage, Curse, Leech Seed, damage from binding moves, recoil (including Steel Beam, Chloroblast and Mind Blown), crash damage, Poison (and Badly Poisoned), Burn, Life Orb, Gulp Missile damage, Jaboca/Rowap berry and, specifically in Gen 4, immunity to Toxic Spikes and Full Paralysis for some unknown reason

[quaint matrix]

Trying to replicate the magic of Nidos

[clear lichen]

So uhh yeah TLDR if you can give a Pokemon Magic Guard via fusion, do so

[quaint matrix]

Except yknow the Nidos are uniquely typed (to this day) with their own legacy to this day paving the way for the gender mechanics we all come to know

[clear lichen]

If you can use Magic Guard in any scenario you're gonna want to use Magic Guard

Always bet on Magic Guard

Like it's actually absurd how strong it is

[quaint matrix]

It certainly is one major reason why Clefable is still a meta force in the current gen too

(I think they still are? idk I do not bother with Gen 8-9 meta at all outside of laughing at the falloffs of the gen)

[clear lichen]

Clefable is ranked at A in OU for Gen 9 OU

That said I definitely had to search that up because Gen 9 Competitive is unfun

I do not like playing 50/50s on every turn

Shocking I know

This is only an exaggeration if you get to high ladder because you cannot predict when a mid ladder player will Tera and what tera type they will use it is impossible

[weak trellis]

Clodsire?

[quaint matrix]

God I keep forgetting about Clodsire lmao

This marks the fourth time I forgot their ass

[vocal pivot]

🤝

[clear lichen]

I enjoy Gen 9 until I have to play it competitively

[full bison]

Gen 5 and Gen 9 are two of my favorite Pokemon generations but also have the worst metas

[vocal pivot]

There isn't much I like about gen 9 other than kingambit and clodsire

[full bison]

I like the characters, Skeledirge, the Charcadet line, and Glimmora, personally

[quaint matrix]

Gen 5 meta is great wdym

[full bison]

The Gen 5 meta is a cesspit

[quaint matrix]

The man says, having never heard of the tier in Gen 5 known as OverUsed

No I agree lol Gen 5 OU is a hellhole

[full bison]

Constant bans and unbans built off the back of one poorly considered complex ban

[quaint matrix]

But the lower tier metas are actually sick

[vocal pivot]

I like gen 3 as games and competitively

[quaint matrix]

Particularly NU and PU imo

I love UU too but I prefer NU/PU Gen 5 more

[vocal pivot]

Gen 1 is fun too if you like jank

I like how in both OUs, you can find reasons to pick offbeat pokemon

[full bison]

Worst meta from what I've seen is probably Gen 2

[viscid wren]

I just realized Frog should of made the champ Wallace and gave them the troll fish triple fusion, it would of been perfect

[prime dust]

maybe we can save that for a gym leader rebattle option

[viscid wren]

Big post game fight: Arceus double fusion the default sprite should be beta arceus

Fight the true god

[molten loom]

No then it would be an Arceus/bidoof fusion

Or omanyte/bidoof

[viscid wren]

Correction: Fight the true Arceus

Though a post game trainer that uses a level 100 bidoof would also be great

[prime dust]

i already said this before...the true "god" is just a triple

omanyte/bidoof/arceus

[order doesn't super matter, but you get the idea]

[night pelican]

Is there anywhere I can see a timeline for PIF hoenn?

[summer apex]

no such timeline exists, to my knowledge

It has been in progress since "a little while ago" and will be done "when its ready"

[full bison]

The only date I'm aware of is the demo being available around 4 months from now, but based on all the bugs the latest PIF update caused, that's probably not a reliable date at this point

[rancid nymph]

There is the #dev-updates channel, but that's just for new features that will be in PIF2. We don't know for sure when the game is coming out

[prime dust]

Soon™

[outer matrix]

But maybe later™️

[viscid wren]

At some point™️

[full bison]

Probably before GTA VI

[viscid wren]

We'll probably get 4 more PIF games before GTA VI

[prime dust]

that might be a bit too far

[viscid wren]

Who knows, maybe GTA VI was the friemds we made alomg the way

[prime dust]

only reason pif hoenn will be easier is because the code already exists, just needs to be applied to gen 3

and gen 3 is the most common game to use as a base for romhacks/mods/fan games

[sterile spoke]

It is, but unless Frogman has a premade Hoenn map pack, there's still going to be some effort required in terms of making each map. 😮

[prime dust]

no doubt

[muted venture]

no no, gta 6 was the citizen that we ran over with a car along the way

[rancid nymph]

That explains why it’s taking so long to come out

[hollow fern]

Yeah, they're tied up in litigation against PIF

[vocal pivot]

[viscid fossil]

That asgore hit with his burgentrucking?

[thin pawn]

I have no idea what happened in the new deltarune chapters but seeing this gif everywhere is so funny

[kindred scarab]

Imma say delete that because people here do not like blood

[thin pawn]

shit is tragic

[kindred scarab]

1984

Fr fr

[thin pawn]

truly

[atomic hornet]

I can say that the new game will come out when it comes out we're still in very early development for the demo itself

[hot flame]

Soon™

[viscid wren]

When the time is right™

[outer matrix]

eventually™

[summer apex]

WHEN THE STARS ALIGN

[outer matrix]

you forgot the ™

[summer apex]

you cannot trademark prophecy

[rancid nymph]

Someday™

[prime dust]

only Soon™ is allowed that because it is propety of blizzard

[vocal rover]

How would spinda work

I mean I'm assuming that like in fusions it'd just be the original sprite but I mean

What if you caught like a super distinctive spinda and it just becomes regular

[viscid wren]

Wdym

Spinda is spinda

We are not getting spinda variants

[trail hull]

Spinda even infused will just be one sprite with the spot at the same place

[vocal rover]

Yeah I know

But still if only

I really need to have head corner off-center spot spinda

[viscid fossil]

Spriters will make 4,294,967,296 alts for each fusion

Obviously

[vocal rover]

Genius

[viscid wren]

Simple solution

[stuck glen]

don't forget the shinys

[tacit saddle]

shinies aren't up to spriters though

they're automatic

[full bison]

To be fair it's probably possible to set Spinda Fusions up with the same algorithmically decided spots as they're handled in the mainline games, but that would require spriters to go through a ton of effort with making tons of individual spots for tons of different body types, and it all feels like it would be way too much work for a gimmick that, let's be real here, not many people really care that much about.

It's much better to just let spriters pattern the Spinda Fusions how they want to and not bother with stuff like that

[viscid fossil]

And we can get heart/heartbreak spinda from the anime

[outer matrix]

and GO

[velvet root]

I mean spindas could get theyr own upload area in which we send the head and the body pf the fusion seperatly so the algorithm can be kept from normal Spinda and generate spots the same way only on the heads

[sterile spoke]

This will undoubtedly end up being a custom base, and it'll probably get used in fusions for Ghost-types or otherwise sad Pokémon. 🙂

[trail hull]

I love how people care so much about the spinda pattern even tho I’m pretty sure most of them won’t use spinda that much

[quaint matrix]

Spinda can have some uses in the gameplay tbf

It'll be the only Normal-type Contrary user around

[visual aspen]

fusions will revitalize the spinda economy

[sterile spoke]

I unironically love Spinda and have a plush of it. ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/spinda-dancing-smiling-pokemon-cute-gif-15639987

[visual aspen]

hmm

i want to see a mimikyu and stufful fused with spinda now

[plush wolf]

Have all 4 million+ of spinda variants available as alternate sprites

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[compact kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[vocal rover]

I care 💔

My opinion is shrimply the most important

[tacit saddle]

its also

1. a mess of code
2. extremely taxing
3. not useful. whatsoever

unlike the deoxys and rotom forms (for example), it has no practical use

[full bison]

Let's also keep in mind the amount of issues caused by the last update just implementing an algorithm to make shiny Pokemon look like they do in the mainline, and bear in mind that Spinda would be that on a much larger scale

[raven totem]

Wait does PIF have shinys?

[prisma yew]

Also doesn't spinda have like a billion different versions?

[grave jolt]

Just remembered my pokelist I'd Remove pokemon from as they were confirmed.
Pokemon removed since last update:
Pusle
Minun
Spheal
Sealeo
Wakrein
Relicanth

[grave jolt]

#gameplay-help

[viscid wren]

I see lots of unova but a distinct lack of the starters

[thin pawn]

Why do you want plusle and minun

And Avalugg

[quaint matrix]

Because Avalugg would go so hard as a fusion material?

Plusle and Minun also will eventually open the door to the better Pikaclones (Togedemaru, Emolga) added in

[thin pawn]

Pikaclones are some of the biggest waste of space

I'm not sure why you'd want them in this game they wouldn't add anything

[viscid wren]

I highly disagree

I think emolga, dedenne, and togedemaru would be great

[full bison]

Dedenne is just a smaller Raichu. It barely adds anything

[viscid wren]

Its cute, tiny, and a fairy type mouse

And the cheek pounch ability

Niche yes, but kinda neat

[summer apex]

I like emolga specifically

[full bison]

Funny, cause I hate emolga specifically. Second most annoying encounter in all of Unova after Watchog.

So much Double Team spam

[quaint matrix]

My personal list has also grown smaller in terms of the Pokemon I wanna see added since they add my favorite fuckass early game critter Mightyena

Now if I can just get Furfrou and the Diggersby line 🙏

[viscid wren]

I only want furfrou because I want a furfrou/blaziken fusion based on silkie chickens

[unkempt kernel]

“Better pikaclones”

Doesnt mention Pachirisu

[quaint matrix]

Fur Coat would also go so hard dude

[viscid wren]

They are a world champion, enough said

[unkempt kernel]

Exactly

Need Pach in PIF/PIF Hoenn

As it is the only squirrel mon we can get

[viscid wren]

We also have 0 squirrels yeah lol

Though emolga is a flying squirrel

[unkempt kernel]

*Rat

[viscid wren]

What do you have against emolga?

[summer apex]

all squirrels are rats

[unkempt kernel]

A lot

[unkempt kernel]

Go play BW and you’ll understand my pain

[viscid wren]

I did, I maxed the time on my black cartridge

Its one of my favorite games of all time lol

[unkempt kernel]

Then you should understand

[burnt fern]

emolga is a nightmare to fight against while grinding

in bw anyways

[unkempt kernel]

That but I was mainly talking about Elesa’s 2

[burnt fern]

oh yeah that too

[viscid wren]

Got a problen with a challenging fight?

[unkempt kernel]

Yes because it’s pre modern exp share

[viscid wren]

I def struggled cause I obviously used the best starter

[unkempt kernel]

Tepig?

[burnt fern]

snivy?

[viscid wren]

You think thats bad, play red

OSHAWOTT

[unkempt kernel]

Oshawatt Hisui is better tbh

Well Samurott hisui at least

[viscid wren]

I do like hisuian samurott marginally more

[unkempt kernel]

Moustache 👍

[burnt fern]

or the johto games

[unkempt kernel]

Anything pre gen 6 really

[viscid wren]

Its way worse pre gen 3

[unkempt kernel]

True ig

[burnt fern]

that applies to a lot of things tbf

[viscid wren]

Ah johto, with its lack of level curve

[unkempt kernel]

Gen 1 is a buggy mess and gen 2 has wonky level curves

[burnt fern]

yeah I’m def biased but gen 3 was when the gameplay smoothed out

[unkempt kernel]

I haven’t actually played Gen 3

I’ve played through Hoenn but only gen 6

[viscid wren]

I played FRLG but never experienced vanilla gen 3 hoenn

[burnt fern]

the remakes are better games tbh

[unkempt kernel]

I wanted to play LG but never got it

[burnt fern]

but gen 3 was when a lot of the iconic mechanics were introduced also. like I believe natures were introduced in gen 3?

[viscid wren]

Dont use golbat

[unkempt kernel]

Ik it can’t evolve till post league

[viscid wren]

But itll try, every valid level up

[unkempt kernel]

Ye

[viscid wren]

Do we think wattson will be harder or easier than vanilla

[full bison]

Shedinja, Azumarill, and Meditite are all available by that point, so really the fight is as difficult as you want to make it

[viscid wren]

Unless frog decides to really mix up encounters

Azumarill is available?

Plus that depnds on what wattson has

not counting shedinja cheese also cause thats inevitable

[full bison]

Marill is catchable on the route between Mauville and Verdanturf, and it's only 5ish levels away from evolution when caught there

[viscid wren]

Ah right, always forget that route

[full bison]

Kinda hard to remember individual routes unless there's something that actively sets it apart from the rest.

[viscid wren]

There is isnt there? Thats where volbeat and illumise are!

.... yeah no reason to remember it

[viscid wren]

Frog def needs to add something to that route to make it special

[proven ledge]

eventually we'll get Hoenn...

[hot flame]

A delayed game is good eventually yada yada

[prime dust]

duke nukem forever would disagree

[viscid wren]

A delayed game (under most circumstances) is better than a rushed game

[steep mesa]

even the good rushed games wouldve been better if it was delayed

[unkempt kernel]

Cyberpunk 2077 would like a word

[quaint matrix]

I mean it got super whitewashed now as a "it's always been a good game just overhated"

Which uhhhhhhhh

[brittle crow]

whitewashed huh

[sterile spoke]

We have very similar wishlists. I like the way you think. 🙂

[velvet root]

[full bison]

... Hytale

[viscid fossil]

That's both delayed and rushed

[hexed agate]

Only if it doesn't get cancelled

[prime dust]

uh

Hytale did get cancelled

[viscid fossil]

Man.
I remember sitting in middle school and being excited for that game.
Now I'm in college and kinda have a job.

[viscid fossil]

(I think that's the joke)

[hallow grove]

Hytale

I miss the hype

The fact that it got cancelled is soulcrushing honestly

[viscid wren]

I literally found out about hytale yesterday

First time ever hearing about it

[thin pawn]

I heard about it back in 2015 when it was announced, forgot about it for a while, heard about it like twice and then heard it was cancelled

[quiet fractal]

is the heonn one a WIP or out?

[hot flame]

It's very early in the development stage

[quiet fractal]

thought I saw mention of Johto?

or is that in base infinite fusion?

[viscid wren]

Thats base IF

[quiet fractal]

Ok! It's been a hot minute since I have played a pokemon game longer thant a test play lol

[prime dust]

base PIF is:

100% Kanto
90% Johto
100% Sevi Islands

• some odds and ends extras added by Frog

don't question the missing 10% of Johto

[quiet fractal]

... deletes question

[viscid wren]

Tis a shame we lost the best area of johto but oh eell

[prime dust]

lost? it never existed for this game

[quiet fractal]

who killed the bug park?

[prime dust]

the national park exists

[viscid wren]

You know what I meant

[prime dust]

just lacks the bug catching contest

[quiet fractal]

https://tenor.com/bFbMD.gif

the only thing johto had going for it

[prime dust]

sacrifices had to be made

especially when you have a limit on maps

[viscid wren]

Yeah, and realistically it made more sense to have all the sevii islands over all of johto

As much as I wish I could walk on the cianwood cost, enjoying the music. Twas not meant to be

[spice sage]

Technically we're missing 3 of the sevii islands too

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-bender-bending-rodriguez-fry-philip-j-fry-gif-22941842

[viscid wren]

We dont talk about that

[prime dust]

we got the important ones

[viscid wren]

Who here actually knows the sevii islands anyways

[spice sage]

||I do want to add the rest of Johto at some point||

[quiet fractal]

Frogzilla!

[prime dust]

we have the map space [i think]

[viscid wren]

We can rebuild it [maybe]

[spice sage]

But hoenn dev (and random spritepack stuff these days) is taking up most of my time

[quiet fractal]

||I will donate 5 dollars the first tuesday of each month for a year for bug catching contest||

[prime dust]

just wish it was easier to figure out what map is what between game files and game code

[prime dust]

no money

ever

[quiet fractal]

Chicken nuggets then

[viscid wren]

Mail Frog boxes of coffee

[spice sage]

Agreed so much lol

[quiet fractal]

I have connections because of my line of work

[spice sage]

I'll gladly accept I live off of coffee

[viscid wren]

As do I lmao

[prime dust]

I wonder if the pokemon romhack subreddit might have an idea

[quiet fractal]

I work on an ambulance. coffee > water

[prime dust]

they know more about this nonsense than i ever will

we're on v19 for essentals right?

[viscid wren]

Oh jeez, yeah I can imagine coffee is a necessity and a half

[rancid nymph]

Maybe Mordrid would’ve known that if Let’s Go didn’t cut out the Sevvi islands for no good reason

[prime dust]

never played let's go games

[quiet fractal]

well let me tell you a story\

about lets go

it

[prime dust]

i stopped playing physical games after Sun & Moon

[quiet fractal]

was

lame

[rancid nymph]

I disagree

[prime dust]

mainly because i didn't have the funds for a switch

[rancid nymph]

It was awful

[viscid wren]

I disagree

[quiet fractal]

Last one i played was brilliant diamond and was grossly dissapointed

[viscid wren]

It sucked

[outer matrix]

let's go had POGO-like catching mechanics

[quiet fractal]

sucked is scarlet and violet

[prime dust]

plus I didn't like any of the starters from Sw/Sh [Grookey was the only one I was okay with

[quiet fractal]

the stuff my dog threw up in the back yard = let's go

[viscid wren]

I... I liked SV....

[rancid nymph]

One of many reasons it was horrible

[quiet fractal]

and you are welcome to. I'm saying it sucked because i didn't like it

[hot flame]

People dunk on it way too much

[rancid nymph]

SV would’ve been good if it actually functioned on launch

[hot flame]

Because it was rushed and poorly optimized

[outer matrix]

apparently in that game, Pokémon become easier to catch if you were to...catch more of the same species

[prime dust]

ah here we go, found a subreddit for games made in rpgmaker xp

this ought to work

[full bison]

SV has a good story and great characters, as well as some of my favorite Pokemon out there. That being said Paldea is a dull-as-dishwater region with like 5 memorable locales

[viscid wren]

It would of possibly beaten alola fir me if it did yeah

[weak trellis]

I mean that'd be fine except that it added a very nasty mechanic that GO noticably didn't have lol

[quiet fractal]

honestly, the thing that lost me, which started in I think sw and Sh was the permanent all EXP

[weak trellis]

which is that wild mons in LGO can just flee whenever they want while in GO they can only flee directly after breaking out from a pokeball as a chance-based event (or after a failed throw if you run out of premiers when those are offered)

[rancid nymph]

And they didn’t even have Repeat balls

[rancid nymph]

Wild Pokémon fleeing is bad regardless of context

[quiet fractal]

I liked the copy and paste they did from Legends

[full bison]

I don't mind the permanent Exp All in concept, but the games are not balanced well around it

[viscid wren]

johto flashbacks

[weak trellis]

yea in actual go it doesn't feel like it happens nearly as much as it does in Lets GO lol

[weak trellis]

yea it feels like Lets GO are balanced around it while the next 3 only kept it because it was ingrained in Lets GO's skeleton that they fit the new games over like a coat

(dunno about how legends handled it, haven't played that one)

[quiet fractal]

in SW and SH, I challenged leon with type adv stacked against me. under leveled, and no items, and one shotted his mons one at a time with cinderace

[rancid nymph]

Gen 2 specifically. HGSS didn’t have that outside of the roaming legends

Thank Arceus

[viscid wren]

Legends was fantastic

[weak trellis]

yea and even then it was only a handful of pokemon from what I recall

...but most of them were also earlygame mons

[viscid wren]

Because it wasnt combat focused

[weak trellis]

from what I've seen of legends I probably wouldn't be a fan exactly because it isn't combat-focused lol

[viscid wren]

If it was combat focused itd have the same exp all issue

[outer matrix]

Would you count the safari zone mechanics with Pokémon fleeing alright?

Since it's intentional

[weak trellis]

I know most people don't but I know in a nuz I have clauses around it

[quiet fractal]

yes

[full bison]

Legends Arceus doesn't really care that much about your teams levels that much. The big battles besides Volo are pretty much all you throwing bags at the wildlife

[viscid wren]

Yes but we need to reduce the chances

[quiet fractal]

safari makes sense

[viscid wren]

My pinsirs ran first turn every. Single. Time

[quiet fractal]

step it up, run first

[weak trellis]

and you can get in there anyway without the mechanic in postgame so you aren't forced into it even for 100% if you're willing to take advantage of that window from what I recall?

I think it's at some point during the ||necrozma|| quest

[viscid wren]

And make shinys never run

[weak trellis]

oh I didn't even realize what chat we were in ROFL

in the context of hoenn's I'd almost be more interested in asking if we'd have to enter it two different times with the two bikes

[quiet fractal]

VOLO Giratina got dunked on by my vulpix with I think it was Me first

steal its attack and use it first

[rancid nymph]

Yeah, we got kind of off topic because I bashed Let’s Go

[weak trellis]

also yea I think GO does make shinies never run

I forget if it's all mons or just legendaries but shinies in GO have a 100% capture rate when using premier balls

(lets go I dunno but probably not)

[full bison]

Sad that getting off-topic is what leads to the most activity this channel has seen in over a month lol

[quiet fractal]

Wait, I wonder if in Hoenn we get the contests

[weak trellis]

but yea back on topic I'm still more interested in the bike thing especially since OR/AS has areas where you need both bikes at once to access

[rancid nymph]

I hope so

[full bison]

Here's hoping

[quiet fractal]

That'd be wild with some of these fusions

[outer matrix]

I hope PIF Hoenn's safari zone will have no step timer

[rancid nymph]

You can also get both bikes in ORAS (only during postgame though)

[full bison]

There's the issue with Gen 7 moves not having existed in a game with contests to contend with tho, so I hope that's not too big an issue

[viscid wren]

Certainly keeping my fingers crossed

[quiet fractal]

Battle frontier!

[viscid wren]

Id love to see ribbons added

[full bison]

Imagine entering the average Mr. Mime fusion into a Cuteness contest

[quiet fractal]

https://tenor.com/qmBaViLqGcw.gif

[rancid nymph]

You’d be disqualified immediately

[viscid wren]

Cuteness is subjective

[viscid wren]

You win automatically, the judges are too afraid to tell it no

[weak trellis]

it sure is, me entering with one of these

[viscid wren]

The remoraid one aint bad

[weak trellis]

followed by the toughness contest entrant:

[viscid wren]

Enter a psyduck fusion that looks like its struggling into the smart contest

[prime dust]

ok, the question has been felled to the pokemonrpgmkxp subreddit; i'll check on it in a few hours to see if there are any bites for how to figure out what map IDs are which between the game files and code

[spice sage]

It's pretty easy to write a script to list everything tbh. I actually cleaned up a bunch of unused maps in one of the newer pif updates

Not that the number of maps was ever an issue for adding the rest of johto. Both cities maps and the surrounding routes literally already exist in the game

[viscid wren]

Shhhh the masses never need to know lmao

[outer matrix]

johto safari zone

[viscid wren]

Actually HGSS safari would go so hard but thats a bit more complicated

[outer matrix]

yeah

mainly because in that game, you get to build the safari zone

[rancid nymph]

HGSS safari is the Johto safari zone

[viscid wren]

Yes, I am aware

pokeathlon when?

[full bison]

There would need to be another Mythical in there for me to be willing to go through a second safari zone, I'll be real

[viscid wren]

Magearna

[outer matrix]

victini perhaps?

[viscid wren]

The johto safari zone is having a problem with too many people succeeding catching mon due to victini being about

[prime dust]

well, i'll have backup just in case

worst case scenario i restart my side project of documenting places we could cull

then you can figure out what is what once i've got it all in order

that way you get a bit more wiggle room to work with map wise

[prime dust]

if we want to be funny...stick manaphy in there

the only mythical pokemon that can breed

[viscid wren]

I honestly take it

I like phione

[rancid nymph]

Plot twist: every mythical can be found in there

[viscid wren]

Johto safari has all legends and mythicals and only those mon

[outer matrix]

And entry fee is 20000

[viscid wren]

Im really hoping we get a dexnav or an upgrade to the poke radar atleast

[rancid nymph]

DexNav would go do hard

[viscid wren]

If we get dexnav, I shiny hunt

[thin pawn]

I hope they get rid of the black stars

[viscid wren]

I think they should stay fir debug but yeah

[rancid nymph]

Not for hacked shinys, but for radar (or hopefully pokenav) hunted ones

Actually, I think I submitted that as one of my requests on the form

[viscid wren]

Im hoping atleast one of my plot ideas is used for inspiration

[outer matrix]

which is?

[viscid wren]

Itd be way cool for the dragon tribe (or whatever they are called) to play a major part

[viscid wren]

I had a couple of ideas

But the main one (prob wont happen) is so.etjing like the dragon tribe putting the events of hoenm to create a triple when all three are together

Would make for a cool triple fusion boss

[rancid nymph]

I'm sure they're going to have another triple boss, I just don't know how considering that the main legendarys fight with one another regularly, and no organization is after all 3

[viscid wren]

Hear me out, the dragon tribe lured out all three to create the ultimate dragon (since the triple would be dragon type)

[rancid nymph]

Why?

[viscid wren]

Maybe one went hungery for power or something

[bright pier]

Does anyone know when the next region comes out?

[viscid fossil]

In the future.

[thin pawn]

The lorekeepers? That would be sick

They gotta do more with the lorekeepers they're too cool not to

[full bison]

At the very least I would like a few nods to Zinnia being involved in some capacity

Maybe you battle some random Aqua/Magma grunt and she just happens to have a Bagon fusion

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/eventually-finally-amanda-gif-5156866

assuming things as still on track, demo will be out Nov or Dec this year [goes up to Slateport], no eta on full release [assume probably next year around summer at the earliest]

[full bison]

I really doubt things are 100% on track after all the issues the Shiny update caused. I'm betting on December or January at this point

[prime dust]

who knows

it might have gotten easier thanks to the decomp of emerald

[viscid wren]

Lorekeepers, thats what they are called. Thanks

I kept meaning to look it up but never did

[full bison]

I think they're actually called the Draconids as a whole with Zinnia's title specifically being Lorekeeper, but I could be wrong

[viscid wren]

I thought it was something specific to dragons so that may be it

[thin pawn]

That makes sense

They're really cool also Zinnia has a BANGER battle theme

Shame it's right after they give you Rayquaza so you sweep her entire team

[thin pawn]

What problems did the Shiny update cause?

Were people upset that Frog suddenly changed the shiny coloring scheme

[viscid wren]

Its caused some issues on some sprites, especially on body shinies

[prime dust]

@spice sage I've got two bits of info for you so far from the post I put up in the PokemonRMXP subreddit:

1. Map IDs don't change at all, they are the same everywhere [they seemingly don't get referenced in the code, but do feature in several PBS files; not sure how helpful this one is]

2. You may be able to "squish" multiple maps down into 1 map, ex: You could probably make Celedon Dept Store or Silph Co all one map, instead of how ever many maps those actually take up

I have zero idea how complex that second one is

[fringe star]

Presuming that total number of map IDs is the limiting factor, as opposed to memory taken up by the individual maps themselves, the second shouldn’t be all that difficult.

[spice sage]

The limiting factor is dev time

[clear fulcrum]

Is pif hoeen out?

Am I stupud?

I'm clearly not in thr look

[quiet fractal]

No to both

[clear fulcrum]

Loop

[clear fulcrum]

Thank you

[dusty arrow]

id like to say that, ice type magikarp is a gen 3 pokemon, yet hes just not in pif hoenn as far as im aware

this is some bs

[hexed agate]

actually, he debuted in the gen 3 anime, despite being a gen 4 pokemon

get your facts together

[dusty arrow]

i know my ice type magikarp facts

[hexed agate]

sounds like you're losing your grip

[dusty arrow]

he could only be found around the island cave where regice is found

and wanna kniw what they do with him in oras?

NOTHING

they just forgot about him

and it pisses me off

thanks gamefreak

[hexed agate]

[compact viper]

How do i get the hoenn versioj

[prime dust]

you don't

it isn't out yet

we might get a demo later this year or early next year, full release is an unknown

[viscid wren]

Ice type magikarp?

[prime dust]

it is a joke that has LONG since lost its luster

honestly have gotten tired of it being brought up in any capacity

[viscid fossil]

Honestly the opposite for me
The embodiment of "If a joke isn't funny, repeat it until it is."

[trail hull]

We got two important thing in this announcement:
-We got the confirmation that we will receive more additions someday (every year were told to not expect anything but yet we still get something)
-We got some gameplay footage of pif hoenn , liek it's not just UI

also we saw how the transfer pc works I guess btu thats not too important compared to the rest

[viscid wren]

Oh boy, let the speculations begin

Like, is tranfer bix going to be an unlockable or available from the start

[surreal dew]

gonna have to garner a guess that we have to unlock it

[outer matrix]

likely post game in Kanto or Hoenn

wait, no, actually kanto if we take FRLG into consideration

[viscid wren]

Thats what I figured would end up being to be the case

What new hoenn mon are ya'll most excited for?

Im looking forward to relucanths fusion potential but I think im even more happy to see dustox

[outer matrix]

hoenn has a lot of fun choices

I'd say castform as head since it would be fun messing around with weather texture or sfx

[surreal dew]

my goat absol is already in anyway

[viscid wren]

Hence why I said new lol

Castform is gonna be really interesting but I worry its compatibility with hats will be no existent like minior

[hexed agate]

A fellow Relicanth enjoyer, I see

[viscid wren]

I love relicanth, mostly because coelicanths are fucking epic

[tropic dew]

Seviper fusions are gonna be wicked cool

[viscid wren]

Thats a good one too

I prob wont end up usimg it first run since I want a dustix body fusion but still cool

[surreal dew]

seviper zangoose fusion would be constant in-fighting 🙏

[tropic dew]

Ultimate self-hating fusion

[surreal dew]

i mean theres also kyogre groudon

[quaint matrix]

Ouroboros except they intentionally do want to do it

[hexed agate]

I personally don't really care for Seviper and Zangoose

[quaint matrix]

I don't care for Seviper

[hexed agate]

They're coolish, ig

[quaint matrix]

I do care for Zangoose though he's a wicked big boy

[viscid wren]

Zangoose/Gliscor would go hard

[full bison]

Part of me seeing the update had the thought of "maybe I could do some crazy Nuzlocke where I have to catch Pokemon in both games and fuse the Pokemon I catch in one game only with the Pokemon I catch in the other," but another part realizes how long that would take

[quaint matrix]

Take the mono-mon run pill

[viscid wren]

Itd take forever but would be cool as hell if even possible

[quaint matrix]

Let the mono-mon (monotype/duotype) run flow in you

[proud lion]

Which future additions are you hoping for? (My guess is most of the ORAS Dexnav mons are solid canidates)

[trail hull]

by mono you mean fusion with only one type ? or teams that all share a similar typing?

[quaint matrix]

Even better

The team share the exact same mon

So like the Beedrill or Blissey run I posted here months (I think a year ago at this point) ago lol

[viscid wren]

One thats actually possible for us to get that I want is Croagunk and Toxicroak

[trail hull]

so for example the entire team would just be arcanine fusion that all are just fire type?

[quaint matrix]

Yes

I mean personally any type is fair game as long as all of it involves Arcanine in the fusion

So you can technically consider it a mono-Fire run

[trail hull]

oh okay

cuz I'm a part of the team where we specifically sprite fusion that only have 1 type

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that's for the monotype challenge runs

[proud lion]

Some of the solid ORAS Dexnav Pokémon lines I can see in future are:

• Shellos
• Chatot
• Gothita
• Lillipup
• Sewaddle
• Tympole
• Timburr
• Cubchoo
• Skrelp and Claucher
• Dwebble
• Skorupi
• Elgyem
• Frillish
  And Croagunk as a bonus

[quaint matrix]

I had a Rhyperior run running but I had to reinstall my laptop and pretty much the only saves I backup are the ones with Magic Boots in them 😔

Maybe add Dewpider and Furfrou there too that'd be great

[surreal dew]

dwebble...

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/crustle-spin-aurasyte-gif-13332146961203124699

[hexed agate]

Out of these, I think my highest hopes would be Shellos, Cubchoo, Sewaddle, Dwebble and Croagunk for sure

[surreal dew]

sewaddle and dwebble my goats

[hexed agate]

We love cool bugs

[quaint matrix]

Dwebble would be so GOATed to add I agree

Bug/Steel Dwebble

[proud lion]

There is also Sawk and Throe

[surreal dew]

1 ember and its gone 😔

[velvet root]

Clauncher isnt dex nav but Sawk and Throh are

[proud lion]

But I cut them for the funni frog

[quaint matrix]

Yeah but the resistances tho

No mons can get away with everything it's like Water/Ground

[velvet root]

Oh my bad

Also Gogoat

[proud lion]

You can Dexnav in ze water

[velvet root]

He isnt there but should be

[proud lion]

What NEW Legendary Pokémon do you think will be added?

I can see Victini, Manaphy, the Tapus and the Weather Genie Trio

[hexed agate]

Zygarde 1%

Heatran is my best serious guess though

[surreal dew]

tapu quadruple fusion anyone

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/tapu-koko-pokémon-tapu-koko-z-moves-guardian-of-alola-gif-25737064

This but with four heads like a hydra

[surreal dew]

peak

[proud lion]

It would also mean nerfing some mons from getting “canonally illegitimate moves” like V Create and Heart Swap

[full bison]

I imagine the most logical new Legendary Pokemon that could maybe be added would be Hoopa. Maybe Manaphy or Volcanion could make sense too, but I'm imagining it would be Hoopa if anything

[vocal pivot]

Nah, something like Brahma

[proud lion]

That way we can get all the legendaries in the game without worrying about overworld hassles.

[trail hull]

I think the legendaries with the most chances of being added would be the 3 kamis since they all are about the weather and hoenn has a literally the three main legendary be called the weather trio

[proud lion]

Like the time of day, weather conditions, badge progress can determine what legendary you can get from a ring that is randomly generated on the region

[proud lion]

And we can finally have the pure flying type viable for dex completions

[vocal pivot]

A fusion based on a deity really works for something like the tapus imo

[full bison]

The reason I mostly think it would be Hoopa is because it's already kinda established in Hoenn thanks to the Mirage Spots all having what's clearly its rings

[hexed agate]

Speaking of which, did you ever claim that role?

You should be really close to it

[vocal pivot]

Having the arms be the different colors of the tapus and the head being the four fused looking in the four cardinal directions would look really cool

[outer matrix]

weather genies or mischievous genie

choose

[hexed agate]

Congrats!

[full bison]

Honestly I don't know if I dislike Hoopa or the Forces of Nature more lol

[hexed agate]

Lake Trio is the correct answer

[full bison]

Probably Hoopa cause some of the Therian forms are pretty alright

[viscid wren]

For legend, I want magearna

[full bison]

I actually kinda like the Lake Trio, but they're not good for this game at all

[hexed agate]

They're cool, but they're not mythical cool

[viscid wren]

Magearna would be sick plus someone could totally make a magearna dress CC
that one will NOT be me though

[vocal pivot]

Come to think of it, the swords of justice aren't a bad choice for PIF

[trail hull]

magearna is kelfkis peculiar face + klinklang mechanical complexity

[full bison]

"not bad" is indeed my general opinion on the Swords of Justice

[viscid wren]

It would be kind of a nightmare, a good challange for expert spriters

[full bison]

I am a huge fan of all the clockwork sprites Klinklang led to, and I'm all for getting more of that.

A Steel type head that actually wants to be a head will be great too

[vocal pivot]

I have a request in mind if magearna comes to the game

[viscid wren]

Magearna/Lopunny would be cool

Magearna/Magcargo

[full bison]

Wonder how Spriters would make Magearna/Klinklang and vice versa

[vocal pivot]

Magearna/Meloetta

[velvet root]

Would love heatran

Such good potential

[viscid wren]

Ill give it to that Pumpkaboo/Heatran that is epic

[full bison]

Heatran allowing the existence of Bug/Steel types with Flash Fire would be so fun

[vocal pivot]

Heatran/toxapex would be so obnoxious

[viscid wren]

Heatran/Quagsire

Heatran but fren shaped

[vocal pivot]

Magma storm, toxic, recover and whatever else you want to throw on

[full bison]

I was going to ask "which legendary Pokemon getting added would break the game hardest," but that's probably just Magearna, thinking more about it

[viscid wren]

No, thatd be Eternamax Eternatus. That breaks so many things including the no gen8+ rule

[vocal pivot]

Same with miraidon

[viscid wren]

Eternatus with Eternamax would be way worse than sandwich robot lizard

[outer matrix]

Eternatus would be a PAIN to sprite

[vocal pivot]

I'm leaning a bit towards tapus since they're gonna enable so much just by automatically setting up terrain. (And tapu bulu isn't gonna have to worry about rillaboom outpacing it here)

It's gonna be just like the switch from gen 6 to gen 7 in terms of terrain strats popping up. Shame there's no grassy glide or expanding force tho.

[velvet root]

Its fine

[vocal pivot]

Steel monotype? Fuse something with bulu and weaken earthquake

Want to make that light ball pikachu fusion hit even harder? Pair it with a koko fusion and boost electric moves with very little issue

Don't get me wrong. Magearna is very good with its elite typing and soul heart but in terms of changing the game, introducing even one tapu is gonna enable more strategies

[viscid fossil]

Oh just saw the transfer box
I'd have to assume that it's just a seperate file in the saves folder or somewhere else
You'll probably be able to duplicate mons by just saving to a seperate slot before putting a mon in, but it shouldn't really be epxloitable unless you can give them items or something.

[viscid wren]

Definitely sounds exploitable

[viscid fossil]

I guess you could also "trade" by sending each other a transfer box file but thank you rule 7 for making me not obligated to tell people that

We already have shedinja
It can only do so much more

[viscid wren]

You make it sound like people read that

[rare sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[viscid fossil]

I just know that it would be annoying to tell people it and get them to understand a the steps

[viscid wren]

Internet safety is unfortunately a foreign concept to a lot of people

[full bison]

There's really not a lot of reason to even trade in these games, considering all the trade evos use level-up or the Linking Cable now

[viscid wren]

There is

Lazyness

Especially for the fishing contest

[viscid fossil]

Also just had an idea that I'm putting onto the suggestion form
Make Pokémon from different games work like the masusa method

[viscid wren]

Anything to mske shiny hunting less painful

If we get dexnav or a pokeradar upgrade, PLEASE put ot in both games

[clear lichen]

Miraidon would probably be the 2nd worst thing

Behind Emax obviously

[full bison]

If Eternamax was added in any capacity, my only hope is that it would strictly be a super boss, maybe also have sprites of it used for the attack animation of Eternabeam, but that's it

[clear lichen]

Yeah, Emax should never be obtainable, ever

[viscid wren]

Except by Frog

Secret Frog fight with Emax Eternatus

[viscid fossil]

*emax/chinchou

[vocal pivot]

*Et-Max/politoed

[viscid wren]

Eternatoed

[viscid fossil]

I'm sure there's a reason why frog made infinite chinchou version and not infinite politoed

[vocal pivot]

Chinchou doesn't have drizzle

Instead, there will be a double chinchou

And from there, give Frog a rain team

[viscid wren]

Ive determined we need eternatus and sinistea

Eternatea

[full bison]

Polteageist Fusions would be cool to see

[vocal pivot]

An eternamax with shell smash

[outer matrix]

eternatus rush

[prime dust]

look at what you attempt to do to even get close to the power of shuckle

[viscid wren]

Shudoof

What route/area do ya'll wanna see revamped the most?

[hot flame]

haven't played the remake so I want to say the desert

In OG emerald the desert was such a boring, big, empty open space

[viscid wren]

The remake did not fix it

[full bison]

The Mirage Tower was a fun addition to the desert in Emerald at least

[viscid wren]

Personally hoping Mt. Pyre gets revamped to make more sense

The place seems like an afterthought

[full bison]

I would like to see more done with New Mauville, honestly

It's such a noteworthy location, but ends up not being relevant for anything

Maybe something can be done for Altering Cave too, AKA the cave that was supposed to be something interesting but ended up being nothing

[viscid wren]

Tbf, mauville itself feels so unnoteworthy in RSE

Both def deserve a glow up

[full bison]

Pretty sure Frog already said that Mauville is likely going to just be the RSE version. And honestly I can kinda see why the ORAS version won't be adapted cause boy howdy that was definitely something Gamefreak only made cause they were feeling more comfortable making 3D environments

[rancid nymph]

I want Ever Grande City to actually be a city

[viscid wren]

Thats true, but that doesnt mean the OG cant recieve substantial changed

[viscid wren]

Agreed

[full bison]

Route 113 is a memorable location as it stands, but it could probably stand to have the Pokemon available there tweaked a bit to be more interesting.

Skarmory is pretty much the only memorable thing there Pokemon wise

[rancid nymph]

You don’t think Spinda is memorable, with its literally billions of spot patterns

[full bison]

Spinda's spots are the most "whatever" gimmick in the series

They don't change the gameplay at all, they aren't interesting from an aesthetic sense, they're pretty much just good for trivia

[rancid nymph]

I think Basculin’s colour variation is worse

[full bison]

The color variations of Basculin at least have unique abilities

[rancid nymph]

And that’s not counting the awful white-striped Basculin

[rancid nymph]

Huh, I didn’t know that

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

(But seriously, that should speak to how forgettable Basculin is)

And this is coming from someone who’s first main series game was black

[viscid wren]

I know basculin

It was on my first black champion team

[rustic kelp]

I prefer RSE version of mauville

[quaint matrix]

Idk how forgettable they are anymore seeing as Basculegion exists (and of course it's a region-exclusive evo thank you GameFreak)

[full bison]

The evolution only happens to the white stripe versions so the red and blue are more forgettable if anything

[viscid fossil]

White basculin really is just "hisuian basculin" with an identity crisis

[shadow magnet]

has it been mentioned if we're going to make contests happen? It would be a lot of work but contests were always a fond gen 3 memory of mine and could be an excellent draw to the new game

[full bison]

Nothing concerning contests has been confirmed as of now

[prime dust]

the crux problem of contests is that they stopped existing after gen 4, so only moves that existed up to that point would have contest data tied to it; unless the people that put together Pokemon Essentials changed that

[velvet root]

Wrong
Oras had them

[prime dust]

you know what i mean

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-no-thats-wrong-makoto-naegi-gif-26672582

So actually, only Gen 7 moves would not have contest variants

[prime dust]

still a lot of work to do

[hollow fern]

A lot less though

Than if it was all Gen 5-7 moves

[rancid nymph]

Plus, Frog doesn’t have to do all of the Z-moves and Let’s Go exclusive moves

[full bison]

Or Dragon Hammer, which hasn't been added for some reason

I get that it's the signature move of a regional form and Frog doesn't want those added, but I don't think there's really any issue with having what would be an evergreen Move Expert move.

[vocal pivot]

Would be nice having draco meteor too

Dragons are lacking their big special move

Lurantis stonks

[summer apex]

If I'm not mistaken, there were only 85 moves added in gen 7 (not including Z-Moves)

I don't imagine it would be that difficult

-# (that 85 also includes a number of moves that aren't available in PIF, but given that most of them might be eventually, I didn't bother)

[rancid nymph]

It’s a good amount of work, but it’s very doable

[prime dust]

again, not assuming the pokemon essentials data has updated those moves with contests in mind

trying to figure out how what each of those 85 moves would be in terms of contest info would be weird

[full bison]

I've actually started working on a Google Poll to see what the community itself thinks the contest types would be. the actual effects, though, would be something that could pose a problem to sort out

(Also kinda worried that most votes for most of the moves would just be Cool or Tough, looking at the moves themselves)

[shut moth]

do we think the'll add other pokemon in pif hoenn other than the 3 gen mon

[full bison]

I doubt it, personally

Just adding the last Hoenn Pokemon added 61 Pokemon

64 counting the Castform forms as individual mons

The last roster update added half that much

[shut moth]

i just want this little guy