pif-hoenn-discussion

[alpine rune]

I will burn you to cinders

[rain locust]

actually im poison heal so i cant get burned

[junior tiger]

You can get burned, Poison Heal only heals from poison status, you'd have to acquire a poison status first AND not have your Ability suppressed AND not have your poison status healed. Grimmsnarl Prankster Will o Wisp first turn beats your Toxic Orb

Also why do you want those removed? There are far worse Pokémon, and Shuckle specifically is actually fairly unique compared to the rest of the roster

[rain locust]

im dark so i cant get prank wisped

[junior tiger]

Without still works fine and doesn't even have to be priority since items don't take effect until the end of the first turn

[viscid fossil]

Using a poison mushroom before battle:

[rain locust]

i clicked spiky shield

or i clicked taunt

or i clicked sub

or i poisoned myself already because i had a teammate with toxic debris skill swap pursuit

[viscid fossil]

.

[rain locust]

i dont believe in that nonsense

[alpine rune]

Did you think he plays the actual game?

He's the resident showdown dweller

He hasn't touched the game with a 10 foot pole

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/psyfeisa-ashton-hall-pool-dive-dive-gif-16823152990177045365

[next sapphire]

THERES A HOENN REGION ?!??

WHAT HAVE I MISSED

[full bison]

It doesn't exist yet, but it's in development as of the 10 year anniversary of PIF

[next sapphire]

[full bison]

There's an FAQ in the pins to give you a general idea of what to expect, as well as a beautifully animated teaser trailer you can find in the announcements

[quaint matrix]

Hell yea we gonna get Hoenn dude

Prob gonna take a long while tho

[hushed axle]

-# What can I leak and be told I’m making it up?

[full bison]

Something involving the white rock

[hushed axle]

[summer apex]

courtney is it true that they're finally adding discord user weaselsheep to PIF: Hoenn?

[junior tiger]

-# Actual Maxie and Archie relationship storyline

https://tenor.com/view/dance-30rock-gif-5281145

[hushed axle]

I like the ideas y’all are giving me

[twilit reef]

Joey is the main character

[junior tiger]

-# Team Sky is added with an entire side quest and you ultimately fight Mikey

[junior tiger]

-# Tracey is your rival

[hushed axle]

[alpine rune]

will zygarde be in the game?

[alpine rune]

THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS

[twilit reef]

Oh hoopa would be cool too

[alpine rune]

Personally I'd put an NPC easter egg and named him Mike and just say "Team Magma and Team Aqua are always fighting. They should make Team Sky to calm their dispute."

[junior tiger]

I can keep going @hushed axle I have more

[hushed axle]

I gotta find a true one

Which means I need to pressure Paya into telling me

[twilit reef]

Hoopa was pretty big in oras right

[junior tiger]

-# All the starters are actually fusions with a different region's starter of one of the other types (never a fusion that's mono type), but they're shiny-locked, and if you get the shiny roll, it becomes a TRIPLE fusion of the Hoenn starters

[junior tiger]

-# Juan is not the final Gym Leader, it's still Wallace, but Juan has a major role in the story and has multiple side quests and ultimately an optional boss battle. He first shows up in Oldale Town wandering around and muttering like he's irritated, mentioning that he's never been to Littleroot and can't find it for the life of him, if only he'd gone previously his Pokémon could Fly him there. You surprise him, he runs off and hides, and if you pursue, he's panting and freaking out behind a building in the corner of the city and doesn't realize you're eavesdropping, and THEN he realizes angrily at himself that Mantine AND Gyarados can't learn Fly, and he never bothered to train up a Pelipper because he didn't realize it had useful hidden potential (Drizzle ) and now he can't Fly anywhere anyway.
-# Farther along you find him in the empty Petalburg Gym (yes you can go in the first time through and find the Leader room empty of a Gym Leader but he's there), but he freaks out and kicks you out and locks the door.
-# Even further along in the story you come across Norman and Juan relaxing in the Lavaridge hot springs in disguise and if you interact with them at least three times they flip and take off, exposing themselves.
-# Ultimately it becomes clear that Norman isn't an absentee father because of his Gym duties, it's because of Juan...

[opal trail]

Courtney is AFK: Eepy Staff (Thorns who? ) - 7 minutes ago

[next sapphire]

in debug mode you can tp to sootopolis city (dk if the map segment is there or it’s been changed)

[opal trail]

Courtney is AFK: Eepy Staff (Thorns who? ) - an hour ago

[next sapphire]

also theres a random ass map with a bunch of rocks and wells

and a lab variation of oaks for each region

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/who-you-talking-to-gif-20906816

[rain locust]

i disagree it has to be team glacier

[dull ingot]

randomly stumbled into this chat and literally read it just because i've never seen a discord message shrink itself due to lore.

[rain locust]

I didnt

[dull ingot]

real

[junior tiger]

It didn't shrink itself, it's formatted to be small

[trail hull]

I hope we get some of the hoenn mons released into the randomizer even before we get the first hoenn demo

[serene wolf]

Given that apparently Norman moved from Goldenrod just as we first arrived in IF, and that Brendan/May start their adventure just as they arrive Hoenn, they should be around on their adventure too, shouldn't they?

[silk cobalt]

That's how it works out officially, yes.

[quaint matrix]

I would imagine PIF Hoenn just starts the same way story-wise as normal Hoenn

Just with a fusion twist

Ooooooo I wonder if there'll be a wrestle control subplot between Magma and Aqua where they will try to see who can fuse their big guy with Rayquaza the quickest

[brittle crow]

and then they both mess something up while Groudon and Kyogre are fighting

Then suddenly boom rayq comes in and triple fusion battle

[full bison]

I really hope there's some crazy good animator that can make something like the intro to Pokemon Emerald portraying the fight between Groudon and Kyogre, but this time changed around to showcase the Kyodonquaza Triple Fusion happening

[molten loom]

-# Juan is champ

[cinder mountain]

Is it still being made in RPGMaker??

that is crazy.. I've been working in RMMZ for over a year now and I still can hardly wrap my head around the development process for a pokemon fangame, let alone one of this scale x_x

[summer apex]

Well, a big part it is Pokemon Essentials

[quaint matrix]

If Pokemon Essentials are in the newer RPGMaker programs I'm sure Frog would probably prefer to work on a bigger engine

It is what it is

[arctic glacier]

Juan is a team aqua Admin

[vivid galleon]

Proposition:

Pokemon Too Many Types: Infinite Fusions

[full bison]

Too Many Types is super lame, I'm just gonna say it

It's trying way too hard to be funny

Gamer being weak to Grass was the only laugh that I got out of it. Otherwise it's just constant low hanging fruit.

[arctic glacier]

Now that we have Exploud and Meloetta, we should implement the Sound type

[rancid nymph]

Breaks rule 2 and rule 8

[vivid galleon]

It was a joke...

[rancid nymph]

I know, but still

[proud lion]

The Sus Type:

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-gif-2558655191726498734

[full bison]

The fact that isn't even the lamest joke that comes out of Too Many Types is extremely sad

[sleek canyon]

I like Beatdoof’s and Nights’ idea on Hoenn’s story. Sounds awesome

[vocal rover]

Educate me what's the lamest joke

[dry cradle]

Really getting gta 6 before PIF 2

[gray vine]

kinda doubt it

[prime dust]

deez nuts type

you'll mainly find it on pokemon that have a name that would lead into that joke

[weak trellis]

dedicating three seperate types just to call falinks "Silly Little Guys" is also pretty low in the barrel, even if two of those types are used for other things lol

[alpine rune]

I mean

PIF 2 could come in december 2025 cuz frog doesnt have a set release date for any of the updates

If we get PIF 2 before GTA 6 it would be hillarious

[prime dust]

it is unlikely the entire game will be done by then

the demo sure

but not the full game

[alpine rune]

Can we say for certain that GTA 6 is being released on time again?

[prime dust]

if you mean whatever the date is next year

no idea

[full bison]

The Furry type and everything that comes with it. I refuse to elaborate both on principle and because Rule 2 exists

[silk cobalt]

elder scrolls too

Have you seen the milk in the Miltank sprites?

[surreal igloo]

So, how is shedinja going to work?
Do you guys think itll be so that any fusion with it is locked to 1 hp? Do you think that any fusion with it would just not have wonder guard? Or do you think itll just work like normal fusions and be game-breakingly powerful

[clear lichen]

It already locks everything to 1 HP iirc, Shedinja is already in the game

[rain locust]

it locks 1 hp if the ability is wonder guard

[surreal igloo]

Oo i forgot it was in the game

[junior tiger]

Did you see my Juan/Norman infidelity ship from yesterday @hushed axle ?

[hushed axle]

No?

[junior tiger]

Here

[hushed axle]

Pffft

I’d play it

[junior tiger]

Whole damn side plot with Norman in the closet and a home wrecker, and the protagonist has to uncover it and then somehow play matchmaker? It would be wild

[hushed axle]

It would be lmao

[swift bison]

PIF 2 will be before Total War: Warhammer Fantasy 4.

[tacit saddle]

oh my god i love this

[patent kayak]

when will the game be released

[prime dust]

we don't know

we "might" get a demo in 6 months

[patent kayak]

i talk about hoenn

[prime dust]

i know

and that is the answer

we don't know

[patent kayak]

6MONTH !!!

thats crazy

[prime dust]

not really

[patent kayak]

yea

it is

[prime dust]

hahaha...funny, i have been in a fan game server that hasn't had an update in a year

6 months is a drop in the bucket

[patent kayak]

no

6month it crazy bro

[prime dust]

for a fan game demo, no it isn't

[patent kayak]

with 6month i can do a lot of thing

[patent kayak]

if you want

[next flare]

Make your own PIF: Hoenn

[warm skiff]

tell me you've never made a game without telling me you've never made a game

[velvet root]

Bro its not
Me and friends sit on a game for 2 years already
Everyone can barf out a game but quality needs time

[tacit saddle]

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHA

OKAY

then do it

[full bison]

6 months is way faster than it takes for most games to be comfortable releasing a playable demo. And that's mostly thanks to the fact that it's running on the same engine as the original

But there's still a lot to consider between that and a full version

Fleshing out the map, fine tuning the story, other miscellaneous features Frog may want to add, bug fixing, etc.

Just as an example, there's a very real chance that Pokemon contests could be added. This would mean adding all the contest UI, everything related to making Pokeblocks, deciding what contest type various Gen 7 moves would be, etc

[velvet root]

• He has to do way less textures that means if someone made something with a bunch of new textures it would take even longer

[silk cobalt]

With a full team.

Besides, I assume they're trying to make a fresh remix, right? Like, in game design. Not just 1-1 importing/making maps.

[alpine rune]

Imagine if Hi lee actually made something in 6 months

[full bison]

The only thing I have in my brain when I think of a game that could be made in 6 months is something like one of those 8 million Slender clones

[feral bear]

Technically there already is a demo, it's just that only 1 person is playing it

[full bison]

Or a Unity asset flip

[obsidian badger]

Think Megas will be a thing?

[alpine rune]

probably not

Its been said megas were a thing in the earliest versions of PIF (4.9 below or something) as self fusions and its been removed because frog doesnt want self fusions to be stronger than regular fusions

[prime dust]

tbf even then all there was in difference was the self fusion got the mega typing

otherwise stats stayed the same

the mega typing did get removed

[prime dust]

but yeah, Megas won't happen, this game already has one gimmick of fusing

[rain locust]

idt mega fusions are stronger than regular fusions (most of the time)

[prime dust]

because self fusions don't have stat changes that other fusions do

so in a sense they are strong because there is no difference in stats

[rain locust]

oh if it only changed type then its ass lol

[prime dust]

yeah

it isn't like that any more

that got changed with the 6.0 update

i think

[alpine rune]

5.1 already got it removed

[prime dust]

hard to keep track of what all changed when

[alpine rune]

5.0 ish

[prime dust]

i feel like it existed in 5.1

[alpine rune]

i started at 5.1 and theres no megas

[prime dust]

cause that's roughly right around when i joined the server

[alpine rune]

i still have a backup for 5.1 if too

[prime dust]

and i swear my gyrados self fusion had dark typing like the mega did

[alpine rune]

i started at 5.1

5.1.3.5 or something to be exact

no megas

i was one of the ones to ask if theres megas in the game too

[prime dust]

ha got it

i was a bit off but

it existed til 5.3

[alpine rune]

wtf

[prime dust]

the "mega" stuff was only for self fusions, i.e., pokemon fused with themselves

so you might have gotten confused

and i don't remember everything that had it

[alpine rune]

ya i know that but it wasnt megas in a traditional sense, only cosmetic

[prime dust]

yes

megas never existed outside cosmetic and that odd typing bit

[alpine rune]

no like the typings stayed the same

[prime dust]

^points to the changelog

[alpine rune]

I could check my 5.1 backup

[prime dust]

you are welcome to check but there ya go

from 4.5 to 5.3

[obsidian badger]

It would have been fun though.

[alpine rune]

....

well thats a thing for another day then

dont wanna hassle on monday morning

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/aol-gif-10522865

[alpine rune]

delicious old game

it kept crashing

yea nevermind that

i'll ping you when i got the time later on

[coarse karma]

I keep forgetting this channel exists XD

[coarse karma]

[junior tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[full bison]

There's really not much to talk about. The topic is the Hoenn sequel, and the only things we know about have been talked about to the point where nobody really has much new to say

[coarse karma]

I just find it weird cause every Fall (back when this channel was named "new pokemon discussion channel") it was always active due to the polls. it's so weird to see this specific channel dead lol.

[junior tiger]

It was literally announced on 4/22. The request for input announcement was on 4/29. It's currently only 5/11. That's between 13 and 20 days ago.
If it takes less than three weeks to forget, boredom or lack of novelty aside, I'm thinking people need some MRIs because that's dogshit memory

[junior tiger]

I never really participated then. But there were absolutely periods longer than 3 weeks between significant announcements.

[full bison]

It's not that people have forgotten or aren't hyped, it's that all we know about the topic has been exhausted for now. Like how the only thing people talked about in regards to Silksong for several years was the fact that there was no new news- people still wanted to play it, there was just nothing to discuss cause all the discussion points were spent.

[junior tiger]

Still only three weeks ago, not even

[plush steppe]

Sorry for dumb question what does the PIF stand for ?

[rain locust]

paris in france

[rain locust]

we should get another roulette wheel to get ppl arguing

[bold atlas]

what game are you in the server for?

[alpine rune]

Perry ithe fplatypus

[junior tiger]

the name of the fangame, and the server

[fickle crest]

you will see it often so tell you once doesn't hurt : Pokemon Infinite Fusion = P.I.F

but i like the others version i've read sooner

[plush steppe]

Ohh thought it was something to do with hoenn being developed not pokemon infinity fusion my bad

Well looking forward to hoenn my favorite Pokemon region 🥰

[junior tiger]

Infinite Fusion, yeah

[opaque fog]

Y'all think we getting red and blue orbs?

[full bison]

The orbs were important story elements in RSE, so they're very likely to be important here. But if you're referring to Primal Reversions, I doubt we're getting those

[opaque fog]

What makes you think so?

[versed river]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/m-m9lbkLqe0n87yJXpJmkVrCfh-JGxiZeG0xU_2ss2M/https/play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/primeape.gif

[prime dust]

the main issue with giving mons that already exist their "form" variations is having to move a bunch of sprites around, which may mean new sprites would need to be created

kyogre and groudon were in long before any kind of "shift" stuff was a thing

[inland jewel]

to be fair, this time around there is no speculations on what new pokemon are appearing

Last two times people were guessing what pokemon were going to fill a certain amount of slots

this time around we know ALL 64 mons coming to the game next 6th months at minimum

[full bison]

And there's really only so many times people can say "I'm so hyped that Spheal is getting added."

[sudden jackal]

I'm so hyped that Spheal is getting added. x100,000

[inland jewel]

I'm excited for Delcatty and Hariyama

more Thick Fat mons to make ice and fire types cry

plus Normalize Normal/Ghost so immune

[sudden jackal]

im actually excited for castform fusions to be here they gonna look so cool and well probably get more avatar the last airbender references

[inland jewel]

i wonder if they're going to change how castform works

because currently the way to change forms is just awful

since the way its coded, it changes forms ONLY if you are in weather with Forecast as its ability

and when you get out of the weather it changes back

[sudden jackal]

it would be cool if they made it so holding the damp rock and stuff let u permanently be that weather

[weak trellis]

Maybe they'll have it like meloetta were the form persists after battle

[inland jewel]

i mean with Meloetta thats just how Meloetta works.

Meloetta changes form when you use Relic song and stays that form until you change back

with Forecast it checks for weather then changes form.

this happens in overworld too, so if you enter an area thats sunny in the overworld in your party Castform changes to Sunny

the only way i can see you can keep permanent sunny form is if you are in sun, and then fuse it with a mon, and not take Forecast

[full bison]

Thinking about it, fusing two separate Castform forms together is completely impossible if Castform works like normal, isn't it?

[inland jewel]

yeah....

[full bison]

A shame cause there's some clever stuff that can be done by mixing weather motifs together, like sun+rain making a rainbow

I guess that stuff can still be done by fusing Castform weather forms with other weather associated Pokemon like Politoed at least

[sudden jackal]

my thoughts is that they would make them permanent form changes and maybe replace say rainy forms ability with like drizzle or smth so it still works

like say if u use a damp rock on a normal castform it becomes rainy and gets drizzle

[vocal rover]

[rugged lodge]

[trail hull]

I already the know the reasons (please other peopel reading this don't explain them too me) but I agree with you it feels so oof , usually this chat is always very active

[full bison]

We'll probably have another flourishing of discussion next time Frog gives an update at least, but even that would probably only really last a day or 2

[inland jewel]

the only real discussion i can see happening is the introduction of a new feature

[full bison]

Pokemon contests could make for some decent discussion

For instance, what contest type to make all the Gen 7 moves that were never in a game with contests be.

[coarse karma]

Yeah

[coarse karma]

Love these

[rugged lodge]

[hardy tartan]

yo
we need some thoughts

my suggestion was to poll folks about what they liked about the original designs and work from there
to avoid upsetting people with too-heavy changes

[twilit reef]

The mixed version looks lamer than both

I like those shoes tho

The pose is so cool

[modern sable]

Wait gen 8 and 9 mons could make it since infinite fusion hoenn may be made on a newer version of essentials

[clear lichen]

It isn't

[modern sable]

Awww what a shame

Guess we gotta wait for infinite fusion sinnoh

For those guys to come

If ever

[clear lichen]

Unlikely tbh

[weak trellis]

at the moment "never" seems likley for gens 8/9 lol

it's a common enough ask that I'm surprised we don't have a "NO." copypasta for it yet.

[warm skiff]

I have no clue how to make it less lame ngl
I think it's an issue where the two grunt designs have different vibes, especially in face design and pose if

[modern sable]

It's kinda lame because they gave themselves the opportunity to do it, but I guess they didn't want to spend ages on connectivity

[clear lichen]

For them to ever arrive we'd have to wait until everything else is added and then hope that the dev wants to add it enough

Needless to say that would take a long fucking time

[modern sable]

Rose takeover legit felt like teasing galar mons only to tease hoenn

[weak trellis]

I've heard many conflicting things about why so I don't like trying to give any further explanations other than "stick to gens 4-7 on suggestions pls"

[clear lichen]

From what I've heard, every Gen 7 and earlier Pokemon already has their data in the version of essentials used

However, updating it breaks everything

So you'd have to add every Gen 8+ Pokemon manually

[modern sable]

So that's why they are delayed indefinitely

If ever

Since the other mons are easier implementations

[clear lichen]

Yup

[modern sable]

At the rate we are going later gens won't start trickling in until infinite fusion unova lmao

But we still got plenty of mons and fusions

[twilit reef]

You right. My preference would've been the opposite. long pants, crop hoodie

[clear lichen]

If a Gen 8+ Pokemon was ever added, I wonder what it'd be

It may not even exist yet

[modern sable]

My guess is crossgen mons and regionals get first dibs

[clear lichen]

Fair

First non crossgen though?

Hmm

[twilit reef]

There's a lot of strong themed pokemon in the new gens that could make cool fusions

[clear lichen]

There's always the possibility that it's from Gen 10 or Gen 11 or whatever

[modern sable]

Like Kingambit, Dudunsparce, Annihilape, Ursaluna and Farigaraf don't seem super out of the realm of possibility

[clear lichen]

Kingambit would be fucking terrifying

[modern sable]

But mostly because they are tied to older mons they may come way sooner than the rest if ever

[modern sable]

Admittedly Kingambit fusions sound super fun

[twilit reef]

I think the fidough line would be fun

[clear lichen]

I think the scariest thing would be Basculegion

Well tbf that is an egg move so actually nvm

We'd have to wait for Houndstone for Basculegion to become the most terrifying thing possible

Tbh I'd be about as hyped for Heavy-Duty Boots as I would be for new Pokemon

Except for the part where Shedinja has gained 1 less weakness but like

Shh

[weak trellis]

gen 9 has quite a few things in the camp of "balanced (sometimes) only for 4v4 doubles and cracks every other format over its knee" rofl

[clear lichen]

"Balanced" only for 4v4 doubles

[weak trellis]

the air quotes are good yea

and then there's some cases (revival blessing lol) where even that explanation goes out the window

[twilit reef]

The thing is if a gen 8+ mon gets added. Would all the move pools change?

[clear lichen]

Speaking of Revival Blessing, you can technically use it and Cresselia to get Last Respects to 5050 BP no matter the format

Ofc you'll be stopped very quickly

But it's funny enough to mention

Because Basculegion is literally unwallable at that strength

Unless you have a Normal type

[twilit reef]

It's slow though

[clear lichen]

You could literally have a quad Ghost resist that has 255 in both HP and Defence, with max HP and Defence EVs and IVs, a +Defence nature and Fur Coat and it'd STILL get OHKOd by that

[clear lichen]

Yeah but getting Last Respects to 5050 BP is unrealistic anyways

And in Singles, Swift Swim with Last Respects is enough to make Basculin broken in Ubers

Not Basculegion

Basculin

Literally just run Arceus Dark or Normal or die

So yeah Last Respects is banned in Singles Ubers

[twilit reef]

Basculin is faster and doesn't get swifswim. So there is some trade off but yeah it's good

[warm skiff]

would something like this be better?

[clear lichen]

Which goes to show how little Gamefreak cares about balancing Singles

[twilit reef]

Yeah imo. I like that a ton

[clear lichen]

Fair enough, I was more so referring to Basculegion with the swift swim line but my phrasing was shit

NatDex notably doesn't ban Last Respects

And that is most likely because it has a lot more priority, faster mons, and Pogre and Pdon

Both of which reset either Sandstorm (Houndstone) or Rain (Basculegion)

That said if Pogre is still out Basculegion still gets Swift Swim

[full bison]

Gamefreak be like: "We're going to get our entire player base accustomed to Singles with the entire singleplayer campaign being single battles with sparse exceptions, but also balance the competitive side around Doubles, so you need to get used to an entirely different format to compete effectively!"
Why

[inland jewel]

Its impossible for now since Frogman isn't recoding the fusion sytem he wrote

He is using the same base he used to make PIF, which still doesn't have the Gen 8-9 stuff.

Its part of the reason why its only going to take 6 months for the demo to be out instead of 2 years

[weak trellis]

"single player mode" and "multiplayer mode" basically

[modern sable]

Yeah guess we can hope that happens for infinite fusion sinnoh

[inland jewel]

i mean... if he was to recode the fusion system, he better do it for Infinite Fusion Galar or Paldea

[prime dust]

multiplayer isn't really an option

game engine is too old

don't get me wrong, it is doable, but it would likely add complexity to the game files making them hard to upkeep and update

[weak trellis]

that was in response to the "single battle vs. double battle" bit but yea I think we have some showdown thing that covers it?

I could be wrong on that, though I do know the actual game does have a doubles-only option if you wanna slide into a doubles run

[prime dust]

yes showdown covers the "battle" part of mp

[rain locust]

i love showdown

[quaint matrix]

We really need Pokemon Essentials on the newer versions of RPGMaker fr fr

XP really be throttling development potential (at least from what I've seen)

[quaint matrix]

It's still so baffling that they just whole hog decided to focus on double battles as the competitive format

[silk cobalt]

I agree. It's because of time, though, since it's harder to stall.

[quaint matrix]

Is it like that same bug/brainworm that made them not want to make other Eeveelutions because "well the internet has already made so many Eeveelutions and if we make one we'll inevitably just rip them off so let's just not do 'em"

[spice sage]

Full disclosure, I did look into migrating everything to Essentials 21 for IFHoenn and I did get to something semi-functionning, but it's just too much effort for not enough payoff on top of making the game probably much more unstable. Performance feels pretty much pretty much the same and speed-up doesn't work well because of the new animations thing they added.

I'm still not completely ruling it out, but I would probably need an actual dev team to actually attempt it.

[spice sage]

All versions of pokemon essentials are on rpg maker xp

[quaint matrix]

I thought we're in Essentials 21 already?

[spice sage]

Nah we're on 19

[quaint matrix]

Dang

I guess since you're the dev you saw 21 and you assume there isn't anything new there that would be worth it to upgrade to 21?

[warm skiff]

i am a archie maxxie wedding arc believer

[spice sage]

But yeah honestly the main draw for essentials 21 the better battle AI. But aside from that there's nothing too important we're missing out on imo

[quaint matrix]

I'm assuming Essentials 20 doesn't really have anyhting which is why you're still sticking to 19

[spice sage]

If I were to migrate the whole game to another version, I'd go to the latest

[quaint matrix]

And you don't have the capability/manpower to migrate lol

[warm skiff]

I'm curious about how animations break the speed up feature

[spice sage]

But yeah basically not super worth it. Maybe if I can get a team of devs

[spice sage]

It's the FPS-agnostic stuff. Basically a bunch of animations don't depend on the frame rate anymore and are always gonna play at the same speed

And it makes everything feel slooooooow lol

[proud lion]

I can see some ORAS Dexnav mons as a potential next batch

Down in the future

[next flare]

Are Kiwi and/or Paya knowledged enough with PIF’s code to be able to do that sort of thing?

[warm skiff]

yeah that's what I was thinking although I'm not sure why the animation would be changed unless they're new additions, guess its to run better

also can I ask you character customization/outfit questions at some point when you're free? one thing is in relation to PIF Hoenn too

[spice sage]

Kiwi and Paya are more on the game design side of things, I'm the only one who really dives into the code hahah

I want to teach them tho

[spice sage]

Yeah I don't know why they decided to change all that, I'm sure there's a good reason but I grew up playing Pokemon on emulators so I need my speedup

And yeah go ahead about the outfits! Feel free to shoot me a dm

[warm skiff]

swag

[inland jewel]

From my understanding Kiwi and Paya are mappers and spriters/ event makers

[tacit saddle]

someone pin this message/hj

[inland jewel]

Better yet make it an announcement

Trade offer: get a dev team

Community gets: gen 8-9 Pokémon and an unstable game with no speed up

[rain locust]

id take that deal

[full bison]

Falinks gets added as it's one of the most consistently begged for Galar mons and a glitch means it actually takes up several places in the pc

[quaint matrix]

90% of the Pokemon fanbase is the same way but we all gotta do what needs to be done to mask

I only just want the Gen 9+ and beyond new evis

[full bison]

Never played an emulator but still constantly find myself with my finger over the Speed Up button lol

[quaint matrix]

I can live without Garganacls and the dope SV starters if it meant I can have Kingambit Farigiraf and Annihilape

(Also Dudunsparce)

[full bison]

Kingambit/Basculegion would be such a hilariously broken Mon lol

[quaint matrix]

Can you actually evo Basculin and all the other Legends evos in Gen 9

[twilit reef]

Having the music not speed up is such a great feature. my phone emulator doesnt have that

[quaint matrix]

I'm pretty sure Stantler and co are just stuck with their one-off lives but I know I might be wrong lol

[full bison]

You can indeed get Basculegion in SV without transferring one over cause it's tied to an alt form for Basculin. You just need to go through that asinine evolution requirement

And yes, SV has wild White Stripe Basculin. They're in Kitakami

[quaint matrix]

Man idk what got them up their ass that they only at Gen 9 decided to do new evos that aren't regional form dependent

It's kinda genuinely annoying that it took them this long to look at Primeape and Girafarig and go "guys what if we make them relevant again"

[hexed agate]

What about the gen 2 evos

Kingdra is right there

And Porygon2

And Scizor, and Steelix

[twilit reef]

a lot of alternate evos too

[quaint matrix]

Haha

But seriously though

Fucking wild that last time Eevee got a new eeveelution was Gen 6 too and only because they have a new type so they don't get shackled by the "muh eeveelution fanarts online"

[twilit reef]

did they tease a flying eeveelution or did i hallucinate that

[hexed agate]

I'm okay not having every eeveelution under the sun

[quaint matrix]

I can understand not doing it every gen

[full bison]

They deconfirmed one in the leaks cause it looked too much like fanart

[clear lichen]

Porygon-Z
Bottom text

[hexed agate]

We have the more elemental eeveelutions either way

[quaint matrix]

I thought the pattern was going to be every one gen after Gen 2 but then they just don't

Not Gen 8

[hexed agate]

I brought up gen 2

[quaint matrix]

And very likely not Gen 10 soon

[hexed agate]

Gen 4 is half evos

[twilit reef]

crobat

[hexed agate]

What I want more of are baby Pokémon

[twilit reef]

baby pokemon are strange

[quaint matrix]

It's funny that Gen 8 actually does give us a baby Pokemon

But like

[hexed agate]

Like we stopped getting them in gen 4, then got toxel

[quaint matrix]

It might as well not be

[hexed agate]

And that's it

[quaint matrix]

Like why are they classifying Toxel as baby

[clear lichen]

Wyrdeer, Kleavor and Ursaluna are technically not tied to regional forms

[quaint matrix]

Like that kinda implies that Toxtricity would've been theoretically a one-off Pokemon if they didn't make the baby version of it

[twilit reef]

i think the incense mechanic is bad

[clear lichen]

I think Kleavor is obtainable in Gen 9 actually

I know it's obtainable by catching in the wild

[quaint matrix]

They didn't do it anymore now I'm pretty sure

[clear lichen]

I'm not sure what the obtainability of black augurite looks like though

[twilit reef]

i know but it was bad

[quaint matrix]

Everytime you breed a Pokemon with a baby form now it'll just give you the baby no matter what

Yeah it was just a weird thing

[hexed agate]

I liked the incense thingy though

[gray vine]

toxel is "the baby pokemon" but its not a baby pokemon when it comes to what the term is for

[quaint matrix]

Maybe there's just a lot of contingent of players like "IDC ABOUT HAPPINY I WANT TO BREED CHANSEY EGGS IMMEDIATELY"

[twilit reef]

i think the problem was it was so hard to get the baby pokemon normally

[hexed agate]

Toxel is a baby Pokémon though

[gray vine]

yeah thats its dex entry

[hexed agate]

The criteria for baby Pokémon is just basic Pokémon that cannot breed, but the evo can

[gray vine]

but its not part of the term

[gray vine]

toxel cant breed?

[hexed agate]

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_Pokémon

Nope

[gray vine]

weird..i mean i nevr used one i find the line ugly as fuck

[hexed agate]

He's awesome

[twilit reef]

munchlax has monster stats for a baby

Did you have the pokewalker?

[clear lichen]

Why does Ponyta have 410 BST btw

It is and always has been a 1st stage Pokemon with an evolution

Yet is stronger than multiple fully evolved Pokemon

[twilit reef]

because its a high level pokemon that you find later and doesnt evolve until later

pokemon is designed to encounter stronger pokemon as the game continues and evolve a little later than the point you catch them

[clear lichen]

Doesn't stop stuff like Pawniard and Mienfoo from being weaker in BST

Though admittedly they are better regardless

[twilit reef]

blaine has ponyta on his team

[hexed agate]

Abra moment

[twilit reef]

gastly is pretty strong too

[clear lichen]

Yeah but I'm talking purely BST

If I wasn't why would I bring up Pawniard and Mienfoo

It's also surprising that this is still the case

As Ponyta has been around since Gen 1

The only other stronger base forms that can evolve used to be fully evolved themselves

[hexed agate]

I see what you mean

[next turtle]

So dumb question maybe. Is the hoen "game" actually a separate game, or is it going to be a massive update to the already existing Infinite Fusion?

[clear lichen]

Separate game

[next turtle]

Ah. so then, are they bringing over all the same pokemon and contuing to build up the dex, or are they starting fresh?

[clear lichen]

I do think all the data for the current Pokemon will be in the game, but not all will be available

All the remaining Hoenn mons are being added though

Anyways, Archen with its built in debuff still has a lower BST than Ponyta

[hexed agate]

Ponyta is too goated

[clear lichen]

2 of the fully evolved Spore users have lower BSTs than Ponyta too, Parasect and Shiinotic

Many 2nd stages are weaker than Ponyta

[twilit reef]

its the best. one pokemon has to be the best. thats the one

[clear lichen]

Including the Gen 1, 2, 3 and 4 middle stage starters

[hexed agate]

It's an outlier for sure

[clear lichen]

So if Poipole has the highest, and Ponyta is the 2nd highest, who is the 3rd highest?

I'll give y'all 3 guesses

[hexed agate]

Tbf, Mudbray is also pretty far up

[twilit reef]

wailmer

[hexed agate]

I wonder if that's thematic

[clear lichen]

Well excluding Archen

Since that has Defeatist

[hexed agate]

Munchlax

[twilit reef]

munchlax my goat

[clear lichen]

But it is the 3rd highest so like

I have to mention it

But Defeatist brings it down a lot

[clear lichen]

But yes, it is Wailmer

I guess technically 4th but it doesnt have an ability that literally makes it worse

[twilit reef]

phione

doesnt evolve

i hate that thing is that a baby pokemon

wow cosmoem is still less than ponyta. sad

[full bison]

There's few Pokemon that have less reason to exist than Phione

You can't get it in the wild, only through breeding Manaphy, but why would you use a slightly better Glalie over Manaphy?

[clear lichen]

Munchlax is right after Wailmer though at 390

Which is funnily as strong as Ledian

[quaint matrix]

I can't fathom the idea of them even making Phione exist besides fro the Pokemon Ranger tie-in

To this day I haven't played Ranger so I still have no clue what that game is even about

[clear lichen]

And of course this is excluding those which used to be fully evolved as otherwise I'd be talking non stop about how much of a fraud Duraludon is

[twilit reef]

You tame wild pokemon to help put out fires and smash rocks and stuff

and the bad guys play music

[full bison]

I actually kinda hope Gamefreak revisits the Sea Angel concept at some point. Such a crazy animal, and Gamefreak moe-fied it a little too much IMO. Still kinda like Manaphy, but it could be way better

[clear lichen]

Bro has a higher BST than Gligar's EVOLUTION and is still worse than both

[quaint matrix]

It's so funny that they give Duraludon an evo

It's like giving fucking

Druddigon an evo

[clear lichen]

Druddigon does need an evo tbf

About as much as Duraludon needed one

[quaint matrix]

Exactly

[clear lichen]

They're both fully evolved dragons that kinda suck

[quaint matrix]

Druddigon is complete it's over he's good we don't need him to go beyond

[clear lichen]

Except Druddigon has 50 less BST

So them being comparable makes Duraludon look like a massive idiot

[full bison]

Seriously, Gamefreak made THIS

Out of THIS

[clear lichen]

Justified crashout tbf

[quaint matrix]

Also was the Grass/Dragon line in SV really popular that they make a whole ass new separate evo line for it

I understand Appletun

I understand the smaller one

[clear lichen]

I have on multiple occasions forgotten that Manaphy is supposed to be a sea angel

[twilit reef]

every gen needs a moe mythical pokemon

[quaint matrix]

But having another separate line is just wack ngl

[twilit reef]

theyve broken form kind of recently

[clear lichen]

Hydrapple was in the game's code since Dipplin was added btw

Dipplin could use the Eviolite on release

[quaint matrix]

Huh

[clear lichen]

So Hydrapple was planned from Dipplin's inception

[quaint matrix]

Then the Applin line is the most complex line evo-wise lowkey

[full bison]

Now it just feels weird that Flapple and Appletun don't evolve further

[clear lichen]

TRUE

[quaint matrix]

A whole ass three different branches

[clear lichen]

Give them an evo please Gamefreak I beg

[quaint matrix]

I think Flapple and Appletun will just be endgame

Like right before Hydrapple it's just Applin but drippier and meltier

[clear lichen]

Hydrapple can be the mix between offensive and defensive, Appletun evo can be the full on defensive and Flapple evo can be the full on offensive

[full bison]

Imagine it just becomes the next Eevee with all the Evo lines it gets, all based off of different means of cooking and serving apples. Wonder how the fandom would feel

[clear lichen]

Dipplin does have the same BST as Flapple and Appletun

[quaint matrix]

How are they gonna go further with Appletun that isn't just "chonkier Appletun" or Flapple with "just an apple-bodied Dragon"

[clear lichen]

Would be hilarious

[quaint matrix]

Actually a classic dragon but its body is entirely made of apples and pies and dripping savory sauce would be peak I want that

[clear lichen]

What would not be hilarious is if Gamefreak pulled a Gmax and made Appletun and Flapple Evolve into the same thing

That would be cringe

And I would sentence them to death

[twilit reef]

thats a cool concept

[full bison]

I remember it was a popular theory during the leak period for Gen 8 that Gmax Appletun/Flapple was just a pre-evo lol

[quaint matrix]

What do you mean you don't like it when Latias and Latios mega-evolves into the same looking purple biplane guy

I'm sure if they do another Latias/Latios deal with the Applin evos it'll go over just fine

[clear lichen]

I ranked Latios as Number 1 and Mega Latis as the only D tiers

Take a guess

[twilit reef]

theres a crab pokemon. and 7 different pokemon evolve into it

[quaint matrix]

They missed the opportunity with Clawf then smh my head

Carcinization in Pokemon world is the worst thing ever because you just become Rock types and that's your endgame

[clear lichen]

Why does Klawf kinda sound like a cow btw

[full bison]

Same reason Okidogi sounds like a stock panther despite being a dog

[clear lichen]

Fair enough, it's not like they really ever made any sense in the games

[quaint matrix]

That and pretty much all the other dog pokemons sure sound like dogs

Except Growlithe and Houndour line but yknow silly Gameboy era shenanigans

[clear lichen]

Fair, fair

[quaint matrix]

Like what other dog sounds can they play with after all that

[clear lichen]

There are like, 3 fully evolved Pokemon you could argue are both caniforms and feliforms

Why does this matter?

It doesn't

But it's fun I guess

Mightyena is one of these, being based on both a wolf (caniform) and a hyena (feliform)

Which is indeed a Hoenn Pokemon

So this is definitely not unrelated to the topic at all

Yup

[alpine rune]

are we really gonna scientifically categorize pokemon now?

[molten latch]

[clear lichen]

I dunno what else to talk about

[alpine rune]

Can you tell me what species a klefki is?

[clear lichen]

Key ring

👍

[alpine rune]

[velvet root]

You say Wolf cuz its grey dont you

[velvet root]

Likely some kind of insect

[clear lichen]

Tbh I said wolf simply because Poochyena is definitely a dog based on its name and Mightyena kinda looks wolf-like to me in a way I can't describe lmao

Tbf it's not like a Pokemon hasn't changed species on evolution

For all I know Mightyena is not a dog at all

And is 100% Hyena

That said Poochyena is definitely half dog/wolf and half hyena

That's literally in the name

It's about as easy of a connection as Zangoose to a Mongoose

And somehow Gamefreak decided to call it a fucking CAT FERRET

Which is absolutely fucking ridiculous

Fun fact!: Just because something is a feliform doesn't mean it is a cat. This applies to caniforms and dogs too

As with rodents and rats

And reptiles and snakes

Fennekin isn't a dog, Cyndaquil isn't a rat, Fuecoco isn't a snake and Zangoose isn't a cat

[full bison]

I don't understand how anybody can believe Pokedex classifications after seeing Blastoise be called a shellfish

[velvet root]

I like to think Fuecoco is the Bull cuz a Male croc is called a bull
Obv the zodiac thing is wrong

[alpine rune]

castform

[velvet root]

I mean Castfrom is a Molecule
But if its a animal likely some sort of bird

[junior tiger]

There's no way it's a bird, the closest it could be is some invertebrate in the ocean potentially. But honestly it's not intended to be an animal at all, there are all kinds of items that Pokémon are based on without any animal reference at all

[junior tiger]

||The only example ever needed to prove this point is Remoraid --> Octillery ||

[clear lichen]

I know how to solve this

Perfect

Now we wait

[quaint matrix]

Tbf in the original Japanese 'Shellfish Pokemon' is just 'Shell Pokemon'

Which is baffling why they decided to translate shell to shellfish back then lol

[junior tiger]

Many of the translations are more than liberal, they're completely baffling.
And honestly, if they were intentional or unintentional, both show a deep level of stupid on the developers' part. Just all around

[rancid nymph]

TBF, there are many decisions in Pokémon that show a deep level of stupid on the developers part

[rancid nymph]

(Please ignore the add at the bottom )

[rancid nymph]

In other words, it’s part hyena part dog, which isn’t an option in the poll

[tacit saddle]

AWESOME INTELLIGENCE!

[junior tiger]

You gotta use a browser app that blocks ads, that's brutal

[drifting mason]

Honestly "half hyena" is generous, he looks like mostly dog lol

[weak trellis]

wasn't there also a thing in one game where that classification was cut off if it had more than one word?

I don't think it was gen 1 but I remember that being a thing in one of the games

[rancid nymph]

You think that’s bad? There was a women’s underwear add the first time that caused me to have to close and reopen the website before I could post that screenshot here

[weak trellis]

but yea gen 1 though was full of scattershot translations and lost 50/50 translations (splash lol)

and some stuff that just straight-up doesn't work in any language other than japanese like curse's effect or all of the number puns in gen 8 (including G-Yamask/basculegion's evolutions)

[junior tiger]

The add itself is just dumb and tasteless, I was meaning that you HAVE ads at all!

[prime dust]

yeah well most sites need adds in some capacity to run

[quaint matrix]

Wait what the heck is Splash supposed to be

If they portray it with water droplets splashing around the Pokemon I feel like it makes sense

[weak trellis]

it could be either Splash or Hop. they went with the former (given the animation and only magikrap learning it at that point, understandable) but it's distribution in the later games (hoppip, spoink, buneary, bounsweet, mimikyu) made it clear that it was supposed to be the latter

[quaint matrix]

I mean I can see them just sticking it out

The only rep is Magikarp and it's a stupid pathetic fish baby who amounts to nothing so yea

As you've mentioned

[velvet root]

Pov most people when they see a Hyena

[weak trellis]

magikrap: one of gen 1's many jokes on the player themselves (voltorb/elecrode, abra, and farfetch'd all being other ones)

[sterile spoke]

I'm pretty sure I remember this being a glitch in FRLG. Had to retain Gen I's glitchiness somehow. 😂

[weak trellis]

it could have been FRLG yea

[junior tiger]

||Which ends abruptly when they hear the hyena ||

[craggy nexus]

So like a hyena...

[weak trellis]

also in the ||audio|| boat: fox

[craggy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-yeen-drinking-milk-gif-15652189303917772555

[silk cobalt]

you know, i wonder if gamefreak would ever do convergent evolution. like, that would be lame. but like, flapple and appletun becoming the same thing.

[sudden jackal]

i highly doubt it

[silk cobalt]

They had the same Dynamax form, for instance.

[sudden jackal]

sounds like it could be cool tho

[rancid nymph]

Design wise yes, but their G-max moves have different effects

[viscid fossil]

Mega latia/os:

[rancid nymph]

Different eye colour

[weak trellis]

not enough

[silk cobalt]

I agree, not enough, lol

[weak trellis]

"different shiny color"

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-aye-fair-enough-aye-fair-enough-gif-16035240

[rancid nymph]

I also agree that it’s not enough, but the important thing is that he was technically incorrect, the worst kind of incorrect

[rugged lodge]

Mightyena is a weird doggo

[junior tiger]

Convergent evolution doesn't end up with the resulting organisms being the exact same, it simply evolves over many generations things that either look or function very similarly.
And they've already tried to accomplish this with Toedscruel and Wugtrio, so yeah, they did

[molten loom]

I wonder if gamefreak will embrace carcinisation

[silk cobalt]

Hmm, I mean, literally convergent. Pokemon A evolves into B and C, but B and C don't become E and F, they become D, both of them.

[junior tiger]

That is a possibility, but that wouldn't be convergent evolution, that would be more like a life cycle divergence

[junior tiger]

Technically this could already be claimed, since there are so many crab-like Pokémon, so if any of them were to be described as not hailing from the "true crab" of the Pokémon universe, it would've already happened, just a long, LONG time ago

[sudden jackal]

so ur saying u want a evolution line where like silcoon and cascoon both evolve into beautifly

[molten loom]

what would the "true crab" be in pokemon

[silk cobalt]

I mean, I don't want it

it'd be lame from a gameplay standpoint

But, thinking of all the evolutions they've done over the years
i suppose i'm surprised they haven't

[junior tiger]

They could make it whatever they want but I'm sure Genwunners would all revolt and boycott if it wasn't Krabby and Kingler

[junior tiger]

I think a big reason is because it wouldn't benefit the players much. The only real scenario where this could work is with a split evolutionary line and both final evolutions mega-evolving into the exact same Mega. Otherwise the middle divergence is irrelevant.

[silk cobalt]

Yeah, I know.

[velvet root]

My language calls it the Symbiot pokemon

Or how you spell that

[junior tiger]

Hermit crabs aren't true crabs

[molten loom]

yeah ik

just never seen slowbro refered to as a hermit crab

[clear lichen]

Then select part wolf since they're in the same genus and I meant to include dogs in that option too

[junior tiger]

I don't question GF and TPC logic, they claim that Frillish and Jellicent are white (not pink OR blue)

[clear lichen]

I do want to note that apart from Poochyena existing, there is 0 evidence for Mightyena being a dog

[sudden jackal]

symbiote

[clear lichen]

And Pokemon don't necessarily stay the same species when evolving

[sudden jackal]

really close just missing the e

[clear lichen]

I am a half hyena half wolf/dog believer but I can see saying it's 100% hyena

Which is why I made the poll

[junior tiger]

That's Nihilego for us in English

UB Symbiote

[weak trellis]

colors are another can of worms especially with the blue/green thing

basically the closer something approaches teal the higher the probability is that it won't be what you think it should be

(orange is a bit similar but not quite as extreme)

[junior tiger]

White versus teal/blue/green still makes zero sense

White is nowhere near any of those

[drifting mason]

A hyena still looks distinguishable enough from a dog to where you can tell one from the other

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-laugh-happy-suspicious-concern-gif-26149144

[thin pawn]

What a distinguished gentleman

[clear lichen]

Dogs and Hyenas are not closely related to each other notably

Dogs are caniforms while Hyenas are feliforms

[twilit reef]

That's a dog

[echo brook]

hello everyone

i have existed once again

[deft obsidian]

Saying mightyena is not hyena is same as saying earth is flat

[echo brook]

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-pokemon-grr-angry-pissed-off-gif-10515045

looks like a wolf to me

[velvet root]

Ugh its gray it definetly is a wolf

[echo brook]

its not that

it feels like a wolf except hte eas

ears

does feel like hyena too

more hyena than wolf tho

[velvet root]

Look a Wolf Zebra

[echo brook]

since its not fully covvered on fur

[echo brook]

i dont think wolf zebra is a thing

thats just a hyena

hello? since when are humans fighting as pokemon

REF DO SOMETHING THIS IS NOT A POKEMON

[warm skiff]

let him fight god

[fickle crest]

if he want to be a cacturne, he's a cacturne, so he can fight like one ( and be capture tho )

[echo brook]

i can prob capture it

im finna have a slave fight for me

[rain locust]

mightyena = might = mite

[viscid fossil]

It might be a hyena.

[twilit reef]

The Japanese name also has the yena

Also I'm petitioning for clamperl to be found from a fishing encounter

Because getting dive is way too late to be catching that thing

[rugged lodge]

Wait until you see one of the sprites for Marino.

[rain locust]

I disagree.

[viscid fossil]

I think they mean it Might be a combination of mighty and hyena.

...

[rain locust]

I disagree.

might is a different spelling of mite so its a mite

[viscid fossil]

It might be a mite?

[rain locust]

Yeah.

[golden onyx]

OMG THE SAMSUNG GALAZY A36 5G?!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hide-you-didnt-see-anything-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-15123878

[golden onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-stone-throw-stone-throw-stone-pelt-gif-17723586702830061775

[summer apex]

ah shit

with the Hoenn mons getting added, they're going to remove Tail Glow from the expert tutor, aren't they

[quaint matrix]

Oh they definitely will lmao

We're gonna have to fuse with Volbeat now to get em

Or hope Manaphy exists soon

[alpine rune]

im here wondering steel bug prankster is gonna be good or not

defensively its solid

if it got prankster, its gonna be one annoying support mon

[quaint matrix]

Thinking bold with Klefki are we

[weak trellis]

possibly lunge too? I forget if that was also volbeat's thing or if it was mostly in egg movepools

[full bison]

Or Xurkitree

[white meadow]

Is this game's map also gonna differ from the originals?

Not that I mind personally just been playing alot of emerald roms n such

[quaint matrix]

It's technically a Golisopod thing

[weak trellis]

wasn't goli's thing first impression?

[full bison]

Lunge was just a new generic Bug move IIRC

Pretty sure Pheromosa has it too

[viscid fossil]

I thought it was Wurmple (Creator Contest 2)'s thing

But seriously I took psychic damage form learning it's a Gen 7 moves because of the sheer quantity of Pokémon that have "lunge" as a tcg attack

[junior tiger]

Why not a beefier Steel Fairy? Or even a Clefable fusion Steel Fairy with Magic Guard?

[alpine rune]

We already have klefki

Also something that's not weak to ground could fill another niche

[junior tiger]

Klefki has low BST so I mean, yeah but same type with higher stats would still be better.
Steel Flying and Steel Grass would also work too

[alpine rune]

Sir, the only steel type with prankster is klefki

I'm trying to find a use for prankster bug here

[junior tiger]

Yes congratulations, tell me something I don't know?

Seems like you're wanting something hyper-specific, probably not open to forum discussion, since you apparently don't want input

[alpine rune]

im sorry

[hushed axle]

?tag rule17 || Let's all take a break here and cool down

[opal trail]

Rule 17 CODE OF CONDUCT: Be nice. Not just in this server, either, this is a good rule for life in general. Assume the best intentions of those you speak to, apologise if you hurt them, and allow them to apologise if they hurt you. Politeness and patience can stop a lot of unnecessary aggression.

[rain locust]

kinda but its pretty betrayed by its stats

esp in singles bc if you want dual screens (probably the best use of prank rn) youd have to downgrade from registeel to forretress which gives you p ass stats

and in doubles you kinda get mogged by whimsicott who has spore and higher spe

[alpine rune]

smh no safety goggles

Gen 8 and 9 just have so many good held items that i kinda forgot how doubles work in gen 7

[rain locust]

in if its just weather war

and prank spore stuff

honestly spore should be banned

[full bison]

Spore isn't already banned when it can be put on something as disgustingly fast as Whimsicott?

[rain locust]

no one plays enough doubles for it to have a cohesive banlist

[quaint matrix]

I am so Mr. Mime Psychic/Steel pilled rn

There really needs to be more distribution of Solid Rock and Filter fr fr

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/tirtouga-pokemon-gif-20551222

[quaint matrix]

He would've gone crazy if he was Rock/Water

[deft ice]

So, I read that castform and deoxys have their extra forms, and I get that rotom is excluded cause... crapton of sprites and fusions to do with all the dex entries, but I wonder with the framework IF is built on, how difficult would it be to have the appliances / rotom catalog (if that would be added) to change the secondary typing and stats while using the same dex entry / Sprite (We'd have to swap manually but small price to pay), if that is even possible to begin with, has been a while since I did anything RPG Maker-ish so I have been wondering about that quite a bit

[hushed axle]

-# please frog, give us rotom forms

[full bison]

Deoxys is only one form too

[deft ice]

oh damn, really?

[full bison]

It has a bunch of sprites that reference the alt forms, but it's strictly the Normal form statswise

[sudden jackal]

i mean dont the oricorio fusions already kinda do that?

except not with stats

[deft ice]

Oricoro has a unique dex entry for each form tho, I was more thinking, same dex entry, same sprite, but extra variable attached to the Rotom that determines it's secondary typing (Ghost/Fire/Water/Ice/Flying/Grass) and possibly stats as a type of override pretty much, which could be done with deoxys too, allowing us to choose the design of the rotom from the existing sprites, not having to make a bunch of new fusions and sprites and also allowing us more flexibility when it comes to customization and typing combos while still keeping the cool rotom / deoxys fusion sprites already made by our talented artists.

[craggy nexus]

no

I havent remind everyone of the npc design contest today https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Nlo2cdu8ExTt7BYnOasvKV4quXciEMFM

[inland jewel]

Rotom and Deoxys were added in a time where dex slots were limited

If they had implemented the other forms that’s 9 Pokémon who wouldn’t have been available in the dex then

[prime dust]

i'd rather new mons get form variations

older mons are fine, we have sprite references to those forms

[bold gyro]

I like the first set

[deft obsidian]

Pls frogman remove castfrom forms*

[charred root]

i thought of a supid idea

a secret base location but you need to have dive to reach it

[storm shale]

Ok, but consider this:

A secret base location, but you need a jolly nature Espeon/Magneton fusion with 252 sp df evs to reach it

/hj

[full bison]

I do wonder if anything will be done to secret bases to make them more worthwhile for singleplayer

[charred root]

i do want cute diolog for furniture and plushs i put in base

maybe we can set traps near them

[storm shale]

I think it would be cool to have sprites be buyable as paintings on a daily-rotation

Kinda like the sprite museum

[charred root]

i do want plushs top also be fused lol

[storm shale]

I second this

[craggy nexus]

Nah the weather forms are almost all of castform gimmick, rotom can replace his forms with fusións and work the same castform cant

[knotty citrus]

Maybe could bring secret bases back and have fusion portraits/statues as a decorative item as part of it?

[storm shale]

Exactly what I meant

[knotty citrus]

I feel like that would be a good idea and maybe a side quest to unlock it

What games were secret bases introduced in because the only time I’ve seen them is in Pokémon insurgence lol

[edgy hatch]

I wonder if they'll be changing up the braille puzzle to keep us guessing

Imagine if instead of just a relicanth and wailord, you needed them fused, then also a castform (manmade) and tropius (both land and air nature) fusion. It fits the theme of the originals?

[rancid nymph]

I’d imagine we’re going to get a translation table for the braille like we did for the Regis in IF1

[tame path]

Im stuck before the sudowoodo on route 36, what do I do?

[hushed axle]

#gameplay-help not here

[mortal cloud]

what does pif stand for?

[summer apex]

piggly iggly fruit

[mortal cloud]

nvm just realized my mistake lol

[summer apex]

-# (pokemon infinite fusion)

[mortal cloud]

I knew the answer right as I asked

what are some pokemon from the hoenn region?

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/absol-pokemon-pokemon-absol-mega-absol-gif-7534766277266642738

The baby

[mortal cloud]

interesting

[velvet root]

Also one spark creativity and one would remove it

[full bison]

Yeah, as much as I wish Rotom had its appliance stats so it could be a stronger Pokemon, the way people use other Pokemon bodies to evoke appliances instead of being tied to 5 specific ones is definitely a tradeoff I'm okay with.

[lofty spindle]

Could just buff Rotom tbh.

[quaint matrix]

Maybe an original move where Rotom can change its typing

[junior tiger]

Any new move concept would likely require coding, that will never happen because it could brick the entire game

[lunar field]

If you add Hoenn to the game, that'll be unbelievably based!

No suggestions, nothing to add or critique, just can't wait to see what you do!

Always thought you'd run out of map space since you can't go to Olivine or Cianwood

[lofty spindle]

It's a new game.

[lunar field]

Oh! That's cool too, actually!

Then I hope there's as much to do and the world is as big as IF

[quaint matrix]

Honestly I'm just happy it's Hoenn because that means we're getting back to the Gen 3 Gym Leaders

And I always think they're the most underrated Gym Leader lineup

[wide merlin]

like aegislash blade form ?

[prime dust]

if aegislash blade was in that would make it 10

no

wait...no it'd be 9

but yeah, blade form existing back then would have meant another pokemon wouldn't have been in the game

because they would have had to given it a different dex slot in some capacity, even if it was an in-battle shift

[quaint matrix]

That's why the perfect fusion material for Aegislash is Dianice

No need to brainblast how the stat calcs work in different forms

It's all the same for Diancie

[full bison]

I'm genuinely happy that Aegislash only has one form in this. The idea of Tons of extra sprites that are just dedicated to "and now they're not using the shield" doesn't feel worth it

[quaint matrix]

Also the implementation of how the gameplay works is so smooth I keep forgetting that's not exactly how Aegislash works in the actual games

[junior tiger]

I'm the opposite, it has two distinctly different forms that have massive BST differences, and no current visual cue to discern which it is in during battle, AND Aegislash sprites are some of the most popular ones meaning that the pool of inspired possibilities ran out exceedingly quickly.
Having both forms from the start would've been far better. I get why it didn't but it still would've been much more interesting.

[full bison]

Literally all Aegislash does when it alternates forms is either have the shield in front of it or put the shield away. That's not a meaningful difference between two forms, certainly not meaningful enough that it's worth making spriters make a whole 1002 extra sprites for it. All we would get from making Sword and Shield forms two separate things are a bunch of ugly autogens whenever we wanted to use Aegislash fusions, and that's not what I want from a Pokemon who's fusions are otherwise considered top of the pile.

[wide merlin]

meteno is similar but we are two meteno as two pokemon , it's similar right ? the two forms of this two pokemon are by talent

[viscid fossil]

Implementing sword aegislash as a proper form would actually make it function worse unless we change up the way fusions are calculated for it specifically

[full bison]

We already have big issues with using Minior and Meloetta where one form gets sprites and another gets autogens, and that's easily the worst part about using them. Why would anyone want to condemn Aegislash to that same fate?

[warm skiff]

I think it'd be funny we should destroy aegislash

[weak trellis]

especially the fusions that don't use it as sword or shield and pick a different weapon

[full bison]

"inspired possibilities ran out quickly" and how exactly would it become more inspired by putting the shield away? If anything it would result in fusions being less inspired as the shield is now basically mandatory

[prime dust]

this is more of the main reason why it isn't likely to happen

it is a combination of sifting through sprites to determine if the sprite is more situated for shield or sword
and then there's also the issue where we'd end up with a LOT of autogens having to fill in the slots that got moved

in the long run it just isn't really worth doing it for older mons

especially given there is 0 guarantee a custom will get made to replace the autogens

[weak trellis]

yea if it's already in then it's too late to change it

[velvet root]

Tangrowth is a awesome example

[full bison]

Anyways, how are people feeling about the latest dev update regarding the soundtrack? Haven't seen anyone discussing it, so I figured I'd bring it up

[quaint matrix]

I need more OSTs to form an opinion but what we got is honestly pretty nice

[full bison]

I like Littleroot and the Surf theme a lot and have more mixed opinions on the wild battle theme

[prime dust]

look, as long as the rival theme is still...well

[full bison]

The RSE Rival theme is kinda funny to me in how intense it is. Meanwhile May is on the nicer side of rivals and Brendan is okay too when he's not acting sexist

[prime dust]

https://youtu.be/SAjRuGdXeOE?si=dMY-CXbugbL4zG6K

[quaint matrix]

Hopefully Pory will lessen the trumpets

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bullish-crypto-hype-i-want-more-lets-do-this-gif-1852269844701917269

[quaint matrix]

I love the trumpets but it could use some toning down and modernizing it to Gen 5 levels might be it

No I love the trumpets a lot but for the purposes of IF it could be less

[hexed agate]

I was told to give more trumpet

[hexed agate]

What are you mixed on the wild theme?

Sorry, you took too long giving feedback

[full bison]

Honestly it's mostly just the trumpet midi I'm not sure about. Not sure what exactly it is

[hexed agate]

I think it's perfect

[tacit saddle]

pory is immune to feedback as always

[hexed agate]

Nah, tbf the difference is that I'm at a middle point when it comes to my instruments between RSE and ORAS

[tacit saddle]

(pory autocorrected to "pity")

[hexed agate]

I'll try some adjustments though

(notably: you can hear most of what would've just been background garble as actual instruments )

[silk cobalt]

Littleroot sounds great, main instrument in battle theme needs some tuning.

[hidden relic]

gm chat

[rain locust]

Gm Gamr

[prime dust]

i agree...moar trumpets

[inland jewel]

considering that so far all mons with different dex slots all have different typings/abilities and all mons that don't only have a visual/stat difference is a good indicator of Aegislash not getting its own slot tbh

[summer apex]

Frog has expressed some interest in having unique aegislash forms but at this point it wouldn't be easy to implement

[inland jewel]

where does he say that?

[prime dust]

stuffed away in a suggestion or something

[inland jewel]

and they can't link it because?

[summer apex]

Here's one mention of it but it's been stated more clearly elsewhere

[prime dust]

#1279938076797440062 message

[summer apex]

I'm gonna be real with you, digging through the server to win an internet dispute ain't worth my time lol

[prime dust]

that is why i bothered

[inland jewel]

I appreciate the effort to prove a point so thanks Mordrid

[prime dust]

because the field where i grow my fucks is barren

[inland jewel]

Now i don't have to chalk it up to people talking out of their ass

[summer apex]

[inland jewel]

and i can trust actual words from the dev

[prime dust]

bold move

being a gamer for as long as i have, i 50% trust the word of a dev

[summer apex]

Sometime I get a lil silly but I don't outright lie when answering questions lol

[inland jewel]

true!, though from the messages you've linked I can safely assume that since he dropped development of the forms system, he isn't planning on implimentnig it at all

[summer apex]

Yeah that's. Sorta what I was saying

[prime dust]

well the system he mentioned was an older version of the form stuff

[inland jewel]

though extra sprites for Sword Aegi and Shield Aegi would be nice, its sort of pointless when the BST and types don't change like....

[prime dust]

which unfortunately didn't work properly

[inland jewel]

with Necrozma, you get more stats plus Dragon type.

With Minior, you gain +100 stats

[prime dust]

there is a reason why ultra necrozma went from being dex number 450_1 to 470

[full bison]

I stand by it being way more worth using your imagination for Aegislash going from defense to attack mode instead of subjecting the forms to the same autogen hell as Minior

[inland jewel]

for Aegislash if your bst was 420,, then the other form is still 420

[full bison]

Also, Stance Change swapping attack and defense is a way more fun gimmick than if it switched forms. Really changes how you look at what would be best to fuse with it

[inland jewel]

I agree, if they were to get a dex slot, make it so either it has different abilities, types, or BST changes

[prime dust]

form stuff will exist in the future for new mons, they just get their own dex slot; old mons more or less fall into the "would need to sift through sprites to move stuff around, and then end up with a bunch of autogens"

[summer apex]

^

multiple similar forms work best when the spriter makes them all at once

especially a more subtle change like aegislash

[inland jewel]

not to mention all the deoxys forms that are literallyelements of all 4 forms

like a fusion that has Defense's head but Attack's body

but also using Speed's legs but regular form's hands

[full bison]

Giratina has probably the easiest time deciding what fusion references which form, but even then there's still a lot of gray area

Like all the fusions that reference the shadowy Giratina poking its head out from the Distortion World when it attacked Cyrus. Pretty ambiguous what to consider that.

[dire beacon]

Is this chat for that Gamma emerald Game?

[full bison]

That sounds like a completely separate fangame

This is for an upcoming sequel to Pokemon Infinite Fusion that takes place in Hoenn

[dire beacon]

Idk what is pif hoenn sorry :c

What is it?

[summer apex]

#other-pokemon-games

[dire beacon]

Noway

[inland jewel]

sequel to this game

[dire beacon]

Awesome, i hope more news of it soon

[inland jewel]

we know that the entire hoenn dex is being added,

and that a demo is coming at minimum 6 monthhs

[prime dust]

outside that info

it is up in the air

[full bison]

Can I just say I'm in love with the direction that spriters seem to be taking Chimecho fusions? It was one of the additions I was completely apathetic on, but I'm astounded by the creativity some people are showing with it

[hexed frost]

If there's room for jokes in the game, there could be a joke audio mode where all Midi instruments are replaced with trumpets. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

[hexed agate]

I can make you a sample of that rq

[hexed agate]

do you still want the drums or are those trumpets too?

[tacit saddle]

everything is trunpets

[velvet root]

Wasnt that the gimmik with the musik? Every Gen had one main instrument?

[tacit saddle]

everything is a super super lloud cymbal or triangle

[hexed agate]

Gen 3 actually has 2 instruments

it's a hand-off between french horns and trumpets

but you also have flutes for the more water-centric music

[hexed frost]

Even the cymbals in the background could be replaced with little doots from trumpets

Drums too

Only as a joke, definitely not for enjoyable gameplay

[silk cobalt]

Very intense background bwahhohohohs in the back, reminds me of some Gen 4 Legendary themes.

Should French Horns be used instead of Trumpets if they already aren't?

[hexed agate]

-# you realize that that track is trumpets only, right?

True Hoenn

[silk cobalt]

🤔 when i spread misinfo

[midnight wharf]

At least the music is being changed, IF1 just used HGSS music

[hexed frost]

https://youtu.be/3pdDwkFZjIY?si=B3fwkB7AUtGj_plf

Drums are just very fast, high pitch trumpets

[left horizon]

when is hoen added?

[summer apex]

No set date

It will be available When It's Ready™️

[silver hull]

coming --Not so-- soon to a day on a calendar near you

[summer apex]

markdown failure. Laugh at this user

-# (it's tildes for strikethrough, not hyphens)

[hexed agate]

Soon™️

[gray vine]

now™️

[hushed axle]

Never™️

[deft obsidian]

I hope frogman buff some of hoenn pokemons like mightyena camerupt seviper lunatone ect...

[full bison]

Pokemon are typically just left how they are unless they have an unused Hidden Ability slot that isn't counteracted by a gimmick

So we can maybe see Claydol and Chimecho among others get new Hidden Abilities, but Pokemon who already have HAs are pretty much screwed

[deft obsidian]

[full bison]

I'm really hoping and praying that Frog gives Chimecho Psychic Surge. I want a gameplay reason to use all those cool Miko inspired sprites so bad

[dim sparrow]

Now do it with the french horns

[hexed agate]

[junior tiger]

So Minior doesn't exist?

[gray vine]

WHOnior

[rain locust]

mi

[slim otter]

Tunior

[sturdy pulsar]

So for the sequel game, it's adding the entire gen 3 pokedex, right? What other pokemon are getting added?

[summer apex]

The only pokemon currently planned to be added are the missing pokemon from gen 3 and Chingling

[gray vine]

well it will have all mons from the other game and gen 3..anything else nobody would know

[quaint matrix]

Yeah outside of Gen 3 it's just Chingling but it's a baby Chimecho so of course its added

[full bison]

It's also a big ask to request more Pokemon than what's being added considering we're getting 61

[quaint matrix]

We won't even know when any other mons are ever gonna get added outside of the missing Hoenns (and Chingling)

[full bison]

The 1 million member milestone is the obvious answer, but that's a long ways away

I'm sure there's a good chance of another big roster update a while after the full version of the sequel comes out, but we're probably looking at that being a year away if not longer

And by if not I mean certainly