pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

Are you sure it's unbothered or is it just already fucking dead

[summer apex]

dead is a form of unbothered

[clear lichen]

Fair enough

[molten loom]

Maybe a mega

[full bison]

Such an amazing Pokemon concept and it's relegated to the position of one of the worst Pokemon in the series

[clear lichen]

Parasect needs a full blown evolution

[summer apex]

mega parasect with a second mushroom growing out of the first

[clear lichen]

Screw a mega

It'd only have 510 BST and 0 item

A Mega is not saving it unless all 100 points go into Speed

[molten loom]

That can be said for several mons that got Megas

Like mawile

[clear lichen]

And all of them should've gotten evolutions instead

And then worry about megas after

You cannot convince me Camerupt didn't need an evolution imagine having the same BST as Basculin but nowhere near the viability

[full bison]

It's just crazy to me that someone at Gamefreak came up with the absolutely baller concept of a cordyceps mushroom zombie and then they proceeded to make it so God awful, even by the standard of the time

[clear lichen]

Imagine being nowhere near the viability of BASCULIN

Camerupt is a sad, sad Pokemon

The Curse of Hoenn turned it slow, frail and mixed

Truly an unfortunate fate

[full bison]

I remember trying to make camerupt work for a playthrough

It ended predictably when I reached the water half

[clear lichen]

Fire/Ground's actually a ballin' type but Camerupt doesn't help its reputation

It's not very fair to it, you could give Camerupt Ghost/Fairy, or Steel/Grass, or whatever top tier type you could think of

And it'd still be ass

[full bison]

Being quad weak to one of the top 5 best types as well as the most common isn't the best look tbf

[clear lichen]

OK but that offensive coverage and set of resistances more than make up for it

If a quad weakness to a good type and an extra common weakness was all it took to make a type bad people wouldn't glance twice at Ferrothorn

Ofc, Grass/Steel is far better defensively

But it is also, expectedly, far worse offensively

However, Camerupt has neither offences nor defences

70/70/75 bulk is pathetic

And 100/105 offences aren't great

Until you look at that 40 speed

Where it turns from not great

To abysmal dogshit

[velvet root]

I like Basculin

[languid oyster]

I kinda wonder if Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza are gonna have a Triple Fusion.

[tacit saddle]

||they already do...?||

do you mean a fight, like in the existing game?

[languid oyster]

Oh, they do? I didn’t know.

What type is the fusion?

I’m sorry.

[tacit saddle]

don't know off the top of my head

you can check on our dexes

?tag calc

[opal trail]

No tag calc found.

[tacit saddle]

Fuck

?tag calcs

[opal trail]

https://infinitefusiondex.com/: Good for looking at stats, locations, movesets, and type matchups, as well as looking at the inverse fusions side-by-side. (Apparently blocked in France for legal reasons)

https://www.fusiondex.org/: Good for looking at sprites and fusion names. Also includes stats, but no comparisons.

[tacit saddle]

it's easier to find them on fusiondex

[languid oyster]

I found it! It says “Water/Ground/Flying”

@tacit saddle Is advertising allowed?

[tacit saddle]

nope

i pinged mods in general

[full bison]

<@&306953740651462656>

[eager jungle]

Job done

[fallen loom]

so are we going to also get ORAS encounters too at a later date?

[placid pelican]

wah

[fallen loom]

ORAS had exclusive encounters for post-game

Route 101 had Lillipup, Sewadle and Zorua

https://www.serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/dexnav.shtml

[placid plover]

Dumb question but are guys gonna use oras sprites for team aqua/magma.

Also whole Rayquaza and Dragon clan stuff from Oras?

[weak trellis]

my guess is only the ones that were already in normal IF (so zorua from that list) probably as pokeradar mons

[prime dust]

given that stuff is all 3D, unlikely

some spriters might remake those in 2D style

but otherwise Frog will likely just use the default sprites for characters where applicable

[velvet root]

I would say we add Gogoat to Hoenn
Cuz it was the first game with multiple bikes and Gogoat is a Bike too

Wait
I just notice that we likely get 2 diffrent bikes

[molten loom]

Technically we already have 2 bikes

Racing and regular

[velvet root]

I expect we will get 3 in hoenn
Racing, Trick and a hybrid

The hybrid likely being a Quest late game item

[full bison]

I feel like Zinnia definitely has a solid shot at getting in purely because she'd make for the best Dragon Ascent tutor

[mint olive]

more like those would be replaced by hm tools exept for the racing bike for the holes in sky pillar

[viscid fossil]

NGS
(naganadel gogoat salazzle)

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[velvet root]

Not me who had a modded version with Naganadel and Gogoat

But I do love Naganadel and Salazzle hope the get in too

[steel parcel]

I want to see the Solrock Lunatone fusion.

Soltone and Lunarock

[viscid fossil]

You know for a fact that tate/liza will have one of those
Maybe even 2

[steel parcel]

Each of them

[full bison]

There's a lot of Solrock and Lunatone fusions on the Spritework channel already from what I've seen.

[summer apex]

even I, the spriter that never actually sprites, have made sprites for hoenn

I have not posted them because I'm evil
-# and also they aren't finished

[fallen loom]

Sucks because the majority aren't in IF at all

Hoenn with more Gen 5-7 Pokémon would be nice

have some version exclusives, but still add compatibility

that way the encounter tables don't have to be updated for both games

[arctic glacier]

I hope we get the more Diverse team Aqua, Archie was iconic in ORAS

[silk cobalt]

i do hope more diverse teams too. 3/4 species lines is dumb

[arctic glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-oras-pokemon-alpha-sapphire-archie-pokemon-pokemon-archie-gif-8425162061683410593

[weak trellis]

team rocket lineups rofl

zubat, poochyena, grimer/koffing, and numel/wailmer

[full bison]

Don't forget the carvanha

[weak trellis]

my bad yea it's carvanha not wailmer

[bitter mirage]

Please for the love of GOD nerf Sky Pillar in PIF:Hoenn this shit is infuriating as-is

[silk cobalt]

nah, i think it's fine. it's all about control

besides, in the time you are required to climb it in emerald, the holes are sealed up

[bitter mirage]

Says the guy with no input lag

I'm talking about the optional time, dude

[weak trellis]

if it's optional then that's on you rofl

[bitter mirage]

Man fuck y'all, real constructive

[viscid fossil]

With a joystick it can be annoying, but on keyboard or a functional d-pad it's really not bad

[bitter mirage]

I disagree. Might be an issue on my end, but it feels like the game has a fuck ton of input delay and no matter how hard I try I just can't turn in time. I'd like to be able to just debug through sky pillar, but in order to unlock that I have to catch every Pokemon, which means catching Ray, which means getting through Sky Pillar in the first place

[viscid fossil]

What I do is hold one key down, and then toggle another key.

Like, press left to go left, then when you need to go up press up without releasing left, and then release up when you need to go left again

[weak trellis]

not sure if that'd super work with an input delay but might be worth a try?

[bitter mirage]

That's what I do and I just wind up hitting walls and shit anyway

It does NOT work with this much input delay

[weak trellis]

I was gonna suggest trying the alternate loader but I think 6.0 got rid of that option

[velvet root]

I want to celebrate the Hoenn update with my Goat herd but I got to admit we are not enough active spriters, so I dont want to ask you guys to join us (you still can if you want), but maybe help us with the little mini event!
For short I wanna see how many Hoenn Goats we can make until next week!
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[inland jewel]

yo we can ask for more fusions

i always found it weird that regular trainers had only one fusion at a time

like a trainer had a caterpie, a weedle, then a metapod/kakuna fusion

instead of a caterpie fusion, a weedle fusion, then the metakuna

like if i wanted to see trainers use regular pokemon i'd just play leaf green fire red...

[feral bear]

I have some fun potential concepts for the new region that I'm working on in my story entry, stay tuned yall!

[robust schooner]

Imagine if Archie and Maxie decided to fused together lol

dbz style

[inland jewel]

i mean that way we can get both teams

[robust schooner]

they could like fuse the teams first

and to prove that to the grunts that they are legit they fuse together

If bill was able to fuse with a rhydon probably you can be fused to another human

[thin pawn]

All of the team members will be fused to eachother too

Tabitha & Matt, Courney & Shelly

They're in constant agony

[frigid glade]

Need a deoxys virus thing

Just have deoxys infect and fuse with ppl freaky style

[robust schooner]

Imagine if you heard that the teams have an important announcement to make, you infiltrate their base, and see them fuse live

[frigid glade]

I was thinking of like battle bond-like fusion, Something like rayquaza and Zinnia

Something absolutely rambunctious

[robust schooner]

Maybe the plot could be that they team together to get samples of deoxys and use them to enhance the fusions

[frigid glade]

That would be hilarious

[frigid glade]

Ye!!

I was also hoping for triple fusions to have more of a role, maybe story wise but im more thinking they kind of work like raids, but much less common. Something to make them more interesting and work hard towards

[ornate tide]

Is it possible for gen 9 items or moves to be coded into IF

[elfin steeple]

Don't know if anyone has placed this idea in yet but I'm going to because I reallyyyy want to see this happen.
If consistently going from region to region, I'd like to see it where you start over as if you were in Kanto all over again. This happens in PokeMMO and I was a huge fan of the change. This way going forward, if Sinnoh was ever a thought, we could play it as a whole new game rather than continuing off from where we started, and having the level spreads make no sense for the areas.

Edit: I'd just hate to run into a level 70 zigzagoon going to Littleroot Town 😂

[full bison]

One reason of many why I consider Remix mode the definitive Infinite Fusion experience.

[full bison]

The Fairy Feather could probably be added considering it's basically just the Pixie Plate without the Arceus type change, but other than that there's pretty much no chance of that happening

[ornate tide]

Would items put to Gen 9 updated be that hard to code in?

[inland jewel]

they have confirmed they are still only keeping it to Gen 7 stuff

[ornate tide]

Honestly don’t really care about the moves part because that might actually be to much

[inland jewel]

so anything from gen8+ still won't be added

[full bison]

It's more an issue of how adding Gen 8+ items could be a bit of a slippery slope that leads to further badgering for the Gen 8+ mons to be added

[inland jewel]

if they want to make things compatible between each version (like they advertise to trade mons between each)

[ornate tide]

Rip

[full bison]

So according to the announcement this channel is meant to be a sort of space to get our ideas for what we'd like to see in IF Hoenn, huh?

Wish I had more ideas than "I would like the Battle Frontier" and "Zinnia would be cool to see."

Maybe some sort of expansion to Mirage Island and a means of making it easier to get to, but I don't know how to elaborate on that

[fervent hound]

Suggestion: Can we at least make the clothes customizable like they are in the most recent gens (though with more options for the women since I tend to play female characters myself when I do RPGs)?

[hexed agate]

They already are

Unless you meant something specific

[full bison]

We have Customization in IF, so I imagine it will transfer over to Hoenn. Also customization options are shared between body types

[warm skiff]

I just wish we had more spriters for customization

[summer apex]

one day I will finish the bisharp outfit

but that day is not today

[warm skiff]

im out of my "make 30 hats" phase, ill return to it eventually

[slim nexus]

?tag kiss

[opal trail]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c1/51/0f/c1510f1f14406dda27206c6bbe320b25.jpg

[slim nexus]

since im here let me share my suggestion

[prime dust]

lmao

[warm skiff]

augh its hoenn, I'll have to make that rayquaza outfit

[thin pawn]

Wtf did spencer do

[prime dust]

we don't talk about it

[molten loom]

made victory road much more annoying by pushing the boulder we need to another floor

[thin pawn]

Oh is that him

That bastard

I want him publicly executed

[prime dust]

but the overworld poison damage would be gone

because Gen 3 is when that stopped

[summer apex]

incorrect

[thin pawn]

Honestly I kinda want them to add megas but I know that's not very feasible

Maybe just mega abilities and stats for self fusions

[molten loom]

very vivid memory of child me's team fainting to poison right before rustboro

[summer apex]

they removed overworld poison damage in gen 5

[molten loom]

and removed them fainting to it in gen 4

[summer apex]

yeah in gen 4 they're cured if they hit 1 hp from overworld poison

[prime dust]

no

[thin pawn]

yes

[prime dust]

megas are a gimmick

[thin pawn]

it would be cool though

[prime dust]

and this game's gimmick is fusion

[thin pawn]

thats true

but it would be cool

[prime dust]

we used to just have the typing bonus with self fusion but that was prior to 6.0

no ability or stat change

we don't need more than 1 gimmick in the game

fusing is enough

[thin pawn]

Bummer

Anyway they should let you date archie and maxie

[molten loom]

Your character is a minor

[summer apex]

eh

I'd play a pokemon villain dating sim

but probably not in PIF 2

[thin pawn]

They let you choose age in PIF 1

Let me choose to be 18+ and go on a date with maxie

[molten loom]

no

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/maxie-pokemon-maxie-gif-24472425

[prime dust]

ok just gonna

and problem solved

[thin pawn]

Got blocked

Shit is tragic

[prime dust]

man thinking of stuff to recommend to not have in IF2 is hard

like the only thing i outright didn't like were the annoying gym puzzles

[thin pawn]

I can't really think of anything I actually want in IF2 that IF1 didn't already have

[thin pawn]

What was bad about the gym puzzles?

[ornate tide]

Fused mega stones would be epic

[thin pawn]

see he gets it

[ornate tide]

That would fix the infinite megas problems

And making spriters having to sprite so much

[smoky raptor]

i forget to put some important... pokemon follow you

[smoky raptor]

👳‍♀️ ...

problem is creating 250 000 sprites of following pokemons

[prime dust]

yeah that's been kind of turned down

[dry cradle]

As a non-feebas enjoyer, it's kinda funny how you guys are always struggling in both mainline games and in fan games. That little fish is a thorn in your foot

[prime dust]

you are looking at 8 sprites per mon, 2 for each direction, one being animated the other being static

[viscid fossil]

Feebas makes sense to me, but it's hard to make it make sense to others

[prime dust]

I'd rather it just be a gift mon

make it the Magikarp buy

[warm skiff]

spriters REALLY dont like making overworlds

[prime dust]

"Hey I have this Pokemon that is beautiful, for the low price of 500 Pokedollars you can have this Feebas."

[dry cradle]

Just to put it on record here(already made a doc submission) my main hope for IF2 is more FOMO events like beating blue and getting access to the secret garden. or if you skip him you're locked out. Just more story events where choices matter type shi

[prime dust]

eh story stuff where your choice matters might be a bit much

the Garden thing was fine since that was just giving you access to pokemon you could get later in the game early on

[dry cradle]

yeah no im not looking for a baldurs gate 3 type of in depth 1 million endings thing, jsut little events here and there that you can miss out on

[prime dust]

i'm fine with that, but nothing that is 100% story tied

optional stuff that you can miss [garden, free lapras, etc], yes, more of that I'm down for

but tying anything to the story where if you choose wrong it is just inaccessible is a bit much

[atomic lagoon]

put a mew under the moving truck in the post-game

[prime dust]

the second game is Hoenn only catchable, mons from the other game will get moved over either via whatever "Pokemon Home like thing" they have planned or via the NG+ thing where the saves are compatible

[dry cradle]

real shit, how does the moving truck even leave littleroot? I feel like it would make sense for it to get stuck in our town. zero roads

[random dragon]

What about a motorbike? Or a golf cart?

[atomic lagoon]

considering most regions are vaguely rural with no road infrastructure i imagine most vehicles are just able to offroad

[prime dust]

great now I'm stuck on the "what features that didn't exist would you like to see?" and my brain is just "That is a good question I don't have an answer to..."

[prime dust]

ah yes off-road...through solid forest

[atomic lagoon]

idk man

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid fossil]

I skipped that one

[molten loom]

I also skipped that one

[bleak summit]

But the Mahagony gym isn't annoying

[prime dust]

oh but it is

especially as of late

[bleak summit]

That's my fave gym puzzle

[prime dust]

glad you like it, but having to time moving a Pokeball across Ice to get into a net which unlocks the Gym Leader...

yeah no, there's a reason I haven't gone back to Johto

once I beat the E4, I move on

to my next save

[random dragon]

Ik we could also not get more Pokémon, but more triple fusions would be fun

[prime dust]

the good thing is we don't have the same restriction we used to prior to 6.0 with the amount of mons we can have

[random dragon]

[prime dust]

yeah, thanks to how fusion data is now done, I think Frog said we could add like another 100+ Generations of Pokemon before we hit that issue again

obviously the same problem with Gen 8+ is still a thing but that is semantics

i.e., we can have the entire Dex of Pokemon up to and including Gen 7 and be fine

[thin pawn]

I remember the annoying spider web one, but what were the other two

[bleak summit]

Mahagony is the fun ice rink

[thin pawn]

Oh yeah

I guess that one was a little confusing

[bleak summit]

That apparently only I like

[thin pawn]

It was alright

[warm skiff]

let me choose team magma or team aqua i want to bully both of them

[prime dust]

the only good thing Mahogany Town has going for it is the fact is that it is the best wood

[thin pawn]

okay

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mahogany-dragon-ball-z-dbz-king-yemma-dbz-yemma-gif-16798894437069253440

[viscid fossil]

And mahogany has hog in it

[random dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-oh-luck-hope-gif-19453422

[viscid fossil]

[full bison]

If we're going by old playground rumors, then I suggest instead of that we have an event where we take a rocket from the space center in Mossdeep up to find Jirachi in space

[viscid fossil]

No, that's how you get deoxys

[prime dust]

per ORAS

[viscid fossil]

You get jirachi by talking to a white rock in mossdeep

[thin pawn]

I hope they add more long legendary quests like Necrozma's and Darkrai/Cresselia's

I liked the whole 4 parter quest where you chase Necrozma down

And then give it a beating

[random dragon]

If they do add more Pokémon, I hope we get sogaleo and lunala or some of the ultra beasts, since Necrozma is the only ultra beast in game.

[thin pawn]

Honestly they should use the Mossdeep rocket to implement some form of Ultra Space into it

That would be crazy

[full bison]

If not an Ultra Beast invasion quest like in the SuMo postgame, then using the rocket to travel through Ultra Space would be an amazing alternative whenever we do end up getting them

Still don't think we're getting anything beyond the 61 mons announced, but that would be a cool way to implement them in the future

Also either Chimecho or Claydol should totally get Psychic Surge as a hidden ability

[thin pawn]

If they're adding more than the 61 mons then I hope for some gen 9 mons but its not likely

[full bison]

FAQ straight up said it's not happening

[thin pawn]

Shit is tragic

[junior tiger]

Not possible

[prime dust]

do they have that as an option by Gen 7? if not, I don't think Frog will just give pokemon an ability it doesn't have

[thin pawn]

Any idea why specifically? I know they don't really have pixel sprites in the game but someone could probably still make them by hand

[junior tiger]

I did include in my suggestions to add Ultra Beasts as quests, even if in future updates

[prime dust]

coding in abilites/moves from higher gens leads to issues

[thin pawn]

Bummer

[full bison]

Delibird, Flygon, Hydreigon and others all have been given Hidden Abilities they didn't have in the mainline in IF, I don't see what would make Chimecho different in that regard

[junior tiger]

That's not the issue, the system is using Pokémon essentials (base code) and that system was scrapped by GF starting Gen 8. Anything after Gen 7 is novel and manual coding which is BAD

[random dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-griffin-family-guy-psych-ward-gif-26893232

Indeedee trauma is kicking in

[full bison]

At least there's no Expanding Force

[thin pawn]

Pain

Agony even

No Ceruledge for Yotam

[full bison]

Ceruledge would get so many sprites so quickly if it was possible to add

[thin pawn]

Fr

[random dragon]

Misty ball/luster purge/necrozmas signature move

[vague oar]

I have the best idea ever

Add Larry on vacations

[ornate tide]

Code in heavy duty boots and loaded dice would be super duper duper epicly based

[vague oar]

And make it a fightable NPC

With only normal monotype fusions

[random dragon]

Holy Karp

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-thatboiicheck-gunna-young-thug-hot-gif-15959855

He might show up in Z-A actually

[molten loom]

You think you could afford to take a vacation?

[silk cobalt]

I had WAY more story stuff than I thought I would.

[molten loom]

I had like 3

[silk cobalt]

The TLDR was 'get legendaries involved earlier', though.

[thin pawn]

How so

[random dragon]

Most of my predictions if we get more mons are Sun/Moon, and water types

[silk cobalt]

Mostly because I think it would be 'fresher', that way.

[thin pawn]

That's interesting

How would you get legendaries involved earlier in the plot

Would you have like Latios/Latias show up like they did in ORAS

[molten loom]

Tldr for mine is double battle champ fight, Wally get ralts/ralts, Birch gets chased by zigzag/pooch

[vague oar]

After helping team rainbow rocket? Definitely

[silk cobalt]

What I wrote is that the 'calamity' happens a bit earlier. I would guess Pre Gym 7 instead of Gym 8. Have it affect the region more. Heck, if you want to get ambitious, maybe even after Flannery.

[vague oar]

Well deserved

[silk cobalt]

Altering the region is cool.

I also wrote the idea of tides at different times. Not sure if that would be too great in practice but I like the theory.

[thin pawn]

Team Rocket pays very well for a bunch of gangsters, Team Rainbow Rocket probably has hella vacation days

[silk cobalt]

I also wrote this whole thing with Deoxys being a virus but that's, like, the more fanficy thing than something I actually expect.

Reworking the dive/water routes was one of the main points, too.

I wish I could reread the stuff I did, haha.

[molten loom]

Same

[thin pawn]

Team Magma dries up the whole oceans so you don't have to deal with "too much water"

[silk cobalt]

part of them, anyways, haha.

OH GOSH I NEED TO MAKE A NEW ONE.

[random dragon]

They could incorporate the Sun/Moon tapus through the ultra worm hole, it’s not like there is only 4 in existence.

[silk cobalt]

I just realized a big part of the OG Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald's plot that they changed in ORAS is just...they took the wrong orbs.

[molten loom]

It's definitely harder to incorporate fusions with Groudon/kyogre and having team magma and aqua

[silk cobalt]

The reason they go berserk is because they just. Use the Wrong Orbs.

[full bison]

I do think it would be neat if there was very clearly an Aqua/Magma grunt that was just Zinnia playing mole like in ORAS. Like you get into a fight with this completely ordinary grunt and she just has a Bagon fusion for some reason

[molten loom]

Although a twist of them arriving at the hibernating mon being a fusion of the 2 could be neat

[silk cobalt]

I agree. I don't think I need major Zinnia presence in the main game. There's certainly directions you can go with that, though.

[molten loom]

But then what about Rayquaza if we want to do a triple fusion again

[thin pawn]

Zinnia is cool I forgot about her

[silk cobalt]

I can see Zinnia be like "okay to stop the meteor i will fuse ALL the calamity mons"

[molten loom]

That's post game, I'm talking main story

But I could also see that happening

[random dragon]

Rayquaza = red orb, Kyogre = meteor , Groudon = blue orb, maybe like this?

[silk cobalt]

Post Game is one of the harder things to tackle, I think.

The best I could come up with was glimpses into alternate universes.

We can experience White Archie.

[random dragon]

7.8, needs more water

[silk cobalt]

oh my god I totally didn't even put anything about secret bases.

[molten loom]

I also forgot and remembered a few minutes after submitting

[thin pawn]

Secret bases, the feature nobody ever uses

[random dragon]

Maybe add some useful stuff? Like healers, move tudors, more stuff for decoration? (Holy crap, that means more spriting for ikea)

[silk cobalt]

bro i had so much fun with secret bases even when i had nothing to do

like no one to interact with

imo the dumb part was just needing to pay a lot for the stuff to add

having all the secret bases be filled or something like johto's gym leader phone call search could be interesting maybe

[random dragon]

Wait, Slot machines.

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[silk cobalt]

[full bison]

Speak for yourself. I used the heck out of them as a kid first playing Emerald, and again as a teen playing Omega Ruby with all the added multiplayer stuff.

I wonder how many 3DSs ended up with broken buttons from people trying to compete for the best Boppoyama scores

[junior tiger]

If you had six good friends with the game, secret bases were actually the best way to EV train in that Gen, you just swapped data while they had a team of 6 Pokémon that were super low level and gave 3 of the same EVs, and each of you did a different stat, and then the player could just visit each secret base over and over to earn the EVs from the fight with them

[full bison]

Let's not forget the Blissey Bases back when ORAS had online features

So much saved time from those

ORAS were the games where I felt the absolute most connected to everyone else playing the game thanks to Secret Bases and PSS

[spring sigil]

Not sure if this is doable but what about "Secret Dens" which could be found the same way a player would make a secret base but instead they stumble on a den containing rare pokemon. Maybe make it a rare occurence when trying to make a secret base?

[lofty spindle]

Could just have the game generate those on valid secret base spots that shift every in-game day.

I wanna say, Archie and Maxie fusing at some point is practically a given, are we in agreement?

I had this idea that they accidentally fused before the game even starts, and now they're manipulating the two teams against each other in some sort of ploy to fuse / obtain a fusion of Groudon and Kyogre.

[junior tiger]

Not sure human fusion will be a thing, the first game definitely showed that it's not possible without massive repercussions.
Also this is not a DragonBall game

[lofty spindle]

However, the first game did show it's possible.

[junior tiger]

between a human and a Pokemon, not between people

and it was a disaster and likely won't happen again

[past abyss]

An idea I was thinking of

You know how in Pokemon Insurgence, the secret bases you can get has level up trainers, stat booster trainers, a personal shop, a personal fossil reviver, an online “multiplayer” option where you can catch a certain type?

How about taking that idea, but give it more

As such, instead of a xp trainer/stat boosting trainer, give us 8 trainers, each of them refusing to battle you until you have a badge, so you get access to secret bases before the first gym for this to work… and those trainers, if you beat all 8 of them, you unlock a ninth trainer who if you beat them, you get the Infinite Splicers

And to get the infinite reversers, you have to first become champion and you then go back to your secret base, and now there are 4 new trainers, beating them will unlock a secret door in your secret base that’ll take you to your character from Pokemon Infinite Fusion Kanto using a team of Triple Fusion Pokemon. Beating him gets you infinite Reversers and the ability to buy a Scientist in the Secret Base shop, said Scientist turns out to be Colress, and battling him and winning will have him create a Triple fusion machine, which will let you make triple fusions

And of course the secret base shop will still allow you to buy other things, like a nurse to heal, a personal shop, a personal fossil reviver, a hatch eggs faster guy, a personal trader bot(still would need to trading tickets to trade tho), and the randomizer guy in black, as well as a daycare guy and move tutors, deleter, and relearner

What do you all think about this idea?

[white meadow]

maybe custom sprites for the secret base assest and statues would be cool

[velvet root]

I kinda would love hidden grottos come back

[tulip nacelle]

I would be so into upgrading hidden bases

[white meadow]

we could make custom chairs, posters and stiff

statues

imagine a custom pixel art of your fusion or smt like that

[junior lotus]

Put the giga drain tm in both games

[arctic glacier]

Tropius & Sceptile deserve it,
fr though it makes the game a cakewalk. But we already had Drain Punch for that

[alpine rune]

baby

[tacit saddle]

baby

[full bison]

Can we please not? Emerald already showed we can have both be antagonists at the same time without the story being too jumbled, and the idea of human fusion is just kind of a ludicrous concept already. Sure, it happened in IF as a one-off gag, but that's honestly what I think it should be kept as.

[tulip nacelle]

TBF didn't it kind of happen in base game in a sense, Bill was put into the pokemon, just not as a fusion

[full bison]

As I said, it was a one-off gag

And that's what it should stay as

[tulip nacelle]

Yeah but it's canon

[arctic glacier]

Filled out Frog’s survey anonymously, I don’t need their thanks for writing the game for them and making IF2 the greatest story ever told.

[alpine rune]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1367126718845816863
Baby

[lofty spindle]

Oh yeah this fella may get a cooler form.

Btw I'm assuming the game will be made with a newer version of Poké-Essentials?

[arctic glacier]

I heard it was the exact same, but cannot cite my sources

[full bison]

According to the FAQ, it uses the exact same version of Poke Essentials.

[real linden]

Post game Cynthia in meteor falls where Steven would normally be would be fun

[full bison]

I guess if Steven is the champion in this, that would work

[finite reef]

Phoebe is gonna use a blissey/dusclops in the elite four

[alpine rune]

Doubles vs Cynthia and Steven

the ultimate endgame

[real linden]

That sounds amazing

And for the fusions, they are all their origional 6 teams fused amongst themselves

[arctic glacier]

Better not see mf Wallace as the champion lol, what a weird change between RS/E

[full bison]

Ah, but you see, Hoenn simply didn't have enough Water related content. It needed more.

[real linden]

Nah, have wally pull a blue

[real linden]

What you mean, half the map is water

[full bison]

Have you heard of these things called jokes?

[real linden]

That's the reason we need more sky related content

I want more stuff like the clouds on mt.moon observatory

[fickle crest]

half isn't enough

[arctic glacier]

A fan of land content myself

[finite reef]

• Team Magma

[arctic glacier]

I think we have to fight now

[verbal summit]

Personally, I prefer the air

[full bison]

ORAS did have the Soaring mechanic, but I don't know if that could really translate well into 2D

[silk cobalt]

yeahhh soaring was cool but wasnt it literally quicker to use fly

[full bison]

Sure, but it meant no need to waste a move slot for an HM

[molten loom]

But soaring had ✨ style ✨

[silk cobalt]

i agree

[tough arch]

PIF HOENN im so excited

[nova beacon]

all imma say is palossand better be in hoenn cause it's like, practically built to be there
what with all the damn water and sandy beaches

[fallen loom]

It should have the more tropical Pokémon

maybe the Tapus could be there

it makes sense to have stuff exclusive to Hoenn outside of the Hoenn dex

[full bison]

I can hear the screams of the competitive community already lol

[fallen loom]

except the games would have compatibility with each other, just the encounters are exclusive

[molten loom]

Wonder if frog will have mirage island, and if he does if it will be the same conditions to appear

[nova beacon]

tapu koko and alolan raichu can finally become the perfect being ✨

[full bison]

The same conditions would be completely unreasonable. It's already several times rarer than finding a Shiny.

[viscid fossil]

Your point being?

[molten loom]

IDK what you mean that's totally fair

[fallen loom]

IF has 500 Pokémon and I think about 150-200 should be exclusive to it. That way if IH has around 500 Pokémon too, it could also have the same amount of exclusives

by exclusive I mean encounters, not (un)avilability

[summer apex]

I feel like that's a bit much

[fallen loom]

Hoenn already has a lot of Pokémon in it from outside reigions

[summer apex]

if you want to fully complete the pokedex in one game I think it should be reasonable to trade the exclusive encounters from one to the other

[fallen loom]

that's what I meant

[molten loom]

All of this just for an island of Wynauts

[summer apex]

I'd say maybe 30-60 exclusives would be fine

[full bison]

And a single Liechi berry

[summer apex]

-# tbh I'd rather not have exclusive encounters at all

[inland jewel]

with more exclusives we can get more pokemon we don't have is probably the thought process

[fallen loom]

ORAS encounters and a bunch of Alolan mon should be added someday

[full bison]

I don't mind hoenn having exclusive encounters cause it could make the playthroughs feel more distinct

[nova beacon]

bring my glorious king araquanid to the realm of if and my life is yours

[fallen loom]

exactly!

[nova beacon]

i CRAVE water bubble kyogre with araquanid

screw rain, slap a pelipper on or something

idc

[full bison]

My big issue with exclusive encounters is the unlock requirements for Magic Boots. I feel like that should be changed to only account for a regional Dex if there's going to be two separate games with separate encounter tables

Other than that it's cool

[summer apex]

I feel like you can have distinct playthroughs without limiting the pokemon you can theoretically catch

[inland jewel]

i mean... in official games you had to capture the entire dex anyway for shiny charms

and the boots are way more broken than that

[fallen loom]

I feel like added more mon would be easier if it only updated the encounter tables of one game instead of both, which is why I said exclusives (as in what you can capture)

[summer apex]

Yeah I have no idea how the magic boots are going to be handled with Hoenn

I'd rather they didn't require both games

[fallen loom]

IF has Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and Kalos starters
IH could have Johto, Hoenn, Unova, Kalos and Alola starters

[summer apex]

eh

limiting something like starters feels even worse

[inland jewel]

the choice of startesr is weird imo

[viscid fossil]

I have enough issues getting people to beat the game once to get their infinite rare candies

[summer apex]

you don't even need to search for some encounter to put them in, they could pretty easily be added to both games

[fallen loom]

didn't Frog have issues adding in more Pokémon due to encounter tables?

[summer apex]

starters don't use encounter tables

They're static spawns

[fallen loom]

alternatively, a bunch of late game Pokémon in IF could be early encounters and vice versa for IH

I meant in general

[inland jewel]

i mean, ralts is literally route 2 in hoenn, but in PIF Ralts is in Johto

[molten loom]

Which aren't really needed since there are trainer refights for exp

[inland jewel]

aw but that requires grinding, the one thing pokemon players hate

[fallen loom]

then watch something while doing it

[inland jewel]

like, its insane how people don't want to play the game to play the game

[summer apex]

There are enough cheaters as is and frankly I'm kinda tired of telling them about rule 23

I don't think making the magic boots harder to legitimately acquire is a good idea

[fallen loom]

then have them be tied into an extended Hoenn dex instead of national dex

[summer apex]

That's... what I'm getting at

keep it tied to regional dex

[viscid fossil]

If we keep magic boots locked to regional dex then I could see them being non-transferable

Better than the alternative

[fallen loom]

maybe only legenderies could be exclusives, since it doesn't make sense for all of them to be caught in one region

[fickle crest]

cheaters ? where ? i'm kinda hungry right now, some snacks seems good

[real linden]

Make mirage island an event centered story like the pink island that starts in pacifilog

[molten loom]

Mirage island is barely bigger than secret garden

[viscid fossil]

Although I guess nothing would stop you from getting debug in one game and generating a full dex to transfer to the other

[real linden]

@molten loom that can be changed

[inland jewel]

They can easily make Mirage island a secret garden location

[molten loom]

I mean in oras its secret meadow

With a bunch of secret base spots

No encounters or items

[real linden]

Wouldn't you want more stuff

I say revamp mirage islamd

Overall it

Also, I want some hidden grottos

[prime dust]

I feel like some of the secret bases that aren't as spacious or have weird layouts would be good as secret grottos

[real linden]

Also have it to where you can 'join' the teams like with team rocket

[inland jewel]

they did have a form to suggest them ideas,

[real linden]

Also admin outfits

[inland jewel]

I totally asked to have more Rocket missions

[fallen loom]

DexNav exclusive Pokémon not in IF:
Lillipup
Sewaddle
Tympole
Gothita
Shellos
Chatot
Pidove
Frillish
Skrelp
Clauncher
Dwebble
Throh
Sawk
Bouffalant
Skorupi
Deerling
Elgyem
Alomomola
Timburr
Roggenrola
Druddigon
Cubchoo
Bronzor

[molten loom]

Why would rocket be in hoenn?

[summer apex]

I feel like, now that the story is being made with those mechanics already existing, they could be a bit more clever with "joining" the villainous teams

[real linden]

Team rocket takeover

@molten loom

[inland jewel]

I don't know what team is going to be the focus for Hoenn, so i said Rocket missions equivalent more please

[nova beacon]

i mean rainbow rocket would be pretty cool to have as a post game thing

but idk about like, a weird story extension of the base team rocket

[inland jewel]

it would be a bit too crazy if they did seperate plotlines if you joined Magma or Aqua, so if its a combined overall you joined the evil team plotline it would be fun

[real linden]

Imagine a 3 team battle

I would love having to deal with multiple teams

[nova beacon]

im calling it now, the main plot is just gonna have kyogre and groudon fuse together and it'll be a double battle next to rayquaza

call me a prophet

[real linden]

There is already a triple fusion of the 3

@nova beacon

[nova beacon]

well yeah ik that

but that's like, rocket technology, not feasible in the wild

we only get it cause colress is cool and awesome

[real linden]

What's the name of the dragon tamer girl from oras

[molten loom]

Looks at ||Paldiatina||

[nova beacon]

shhhhhhhhhh

[fallen loom]

zinnia

[nova beacon]

we don't speak its name

nuzlocke killer right at the very end

curse you

[real linden]

They were easy for me

Perish song sacrifice

[molten loom]

But as far as we know it's a natural one

[nova beacon]

they're not like nearly as bad as zapmolcuno but having to perish song again sucks on randomizer

there's like two guaranteed perish mons, absol and lapras

and if you lose one, welp

[molten loom]

Unless

[nova beacon]

i personally think it's arceus saying "yk what would be really funny"

and then doing that

just to piss us off

[real linden]

Absol is confirmed on cinnabar, and Lapras from silph co

[nova beacon]

yeah

[fallen loom]

which legendaries do you think should be IF only? I still don't see much point of having all 500+ Pokémon in both games outside of trading

[real linden]

OH WAIT

[nova beacon]

hm

[full bison]

My contribution to potential story changes is that it would be fun if the Magma Grunt that drops the Magma Emblem you need to access their secret base was actually just Zinnia playing mole, and she just goes through this whole unsubtle song and dance trying to get you to take that emblem after she "drops it."

[real linden]

What's the plans for the battle frontier

[nova beacon]

we don't rly need mewtwo here in hoenn if you ask me

leave that in base if

mew can come along cause i love mew

[fallen loom]

no birds

[nova beacon]

let the birds rot

same with the legendary dogs

[real linden]

Mewtwo can just be at the battle frontier as a story quest

[nova beacon]

suicune entei raikou

[fallen loom]

even though they're cats

[full bison]

"Oh no, I dropped the very important Magma Emblem that we use to access our top secret base in Mt. Chimney! I sure hope that no exceptionally talented trainers take it and use it to infiltrate our base before we can wake Groudon up!"

[nova beacon]

if they can bark like entei does they're puppies

[fallen loom]

you mean the sabre-toothed cat?

[real linden]

@full bison nah, infiltrate team magma and get it as the quest item. As a alternate way to get the badge

[nova beacon]

sabre toothed doggie*

[fallen loom]

those don't exist

[nova beacon]

says you

[viscid fossil]

Ok but imagine ||you, Maxie, and Archie all fighting kyodonquaza||

[upper fossil]

wait thats actually so cool

hi

[nova beacon]

im honestly just hoping there'll be less single battle against triple fusions

i didn't find them fun at all honestly

[real linden]

@viscid fossil what if it's with Steven and zinnia

[nova beacon]

interesting mechanics for sure but just not enjoyable

feels like it encourages perish stall if you want to not lose a team member

[real linden]

Or wally instead of steven

[molten loom]

Maxie hits all of us with explosion

Or lava plume

Or earthquake

[viscid fossil]

Archie's mon has damp
They're designed to counter each other

[nova beacon]

ok but what does maxie have against archie

like, team wise

[real linden]

Water

Wait

[upper fossil]

isnt that archie

[real linden]

Im dumb

[nova beacon]

maxie is the fire one..

[upper fossil]

😭

[real linden]

Storm drain

[nova beacon]

that makes more sense

[upper fossil]

oh

[molten loom]

Not in the base games

[real linden]

@molten loom this isn't base game

[molten loom]

Ik

[real linden]

So lets have creative freedom

[molten loom]

But juster said their designed to counter each other

[real linden]

Plus, that's not the base teams, thats the oras teams

[viscid fossil]

I mean we have to give Archie at least 2 more water types

[real linden]

Give him a Greninja dhelmise fusion

[lament wedge]

I wonder how castform will work

[real linden]

Multiple forms based on weather

[fallen loom]

so Burmy, except not location

[real linden]

Like base game

Nah

[molten loom]

They are practically copies of each other with 1 different mon

[fallen loom]

they added castform forms, yet Rotom forms with different stats to base form are excluded...

[viscid fossil]

Pokémon: camerupt version and Pokémon: sharpedo version

[molten loom]

Oras at least they have another different mon

[fallen loom]

it should be based on ORAS/Emerald teams

[rancid nymph]

Just like their teams

[real linden]

More like meloetta or Aegislash with mid battle transformations

[viscid fossil]

Rotom was added before we had dynamic fusions which meant there was a limit on the base mons we could have
And now nobody wants to sort through every Rotom fusion and decide which is what form

[molten loom]

I posted the emerald teams and they're the exact same as rs

[viscid fossil]

Same with deoxys and aegislash

[fallen loom]

get rid of Castform

[real linden]

He put both,

[real linden]

No

[viscid fossil]

(we kinda cheat for aegislash's form)

[molten loom]

Just Maxie is like 4 levels lower

[fallen loom]

I can live with Deoxys, but Rotom forms add too much

[real linden]

You can't have emerald without a forced castform

[viscid fossil]

We're not limited by space anymore but we're just not doing it apparently

[rancid nymph]

That's the worst spelling of "Luvdisc" I've ever seen

[molten loom]

But seriously archie not having a single stab move on sharpedo?

[real linden]

It's sad

[molten loom]

Alpha Sapphire did fix it at least

[viscid fossil]

I was going to say something about special split but sharpedo's spa is actually pretty good

[real linden]

Still nothing useful against maxie

[full bison]

It would be cool if Archie and Maxie had full-on weather teams in IF 2. It makes thematic sense, and it works with the Hoenn roster considering it has both Pelliper and Torkoal

[real linden]

I would be down for that

[molten loom]

I mean Omega ruby does have Maxie's camerupt with no stab

[real linden]

We also need a double battle against both of them

[fallen loom]

These teams are weird. They removed Crawdaunt from Sidney, but added in a Mandibuzz, Zoroark and Scrafty for re-match.

[molten loom]

But also mega camel has sheer force

[real linden]

Imagine a double battle against maxie and archie

[molten loom]

Imagine champion Juan

[real linden]

Nah, champion wally

[nocturne citrus]

Well more gens be added?

[molten loom]

That doesn't fit wally imo

[viscid fossil]

Give wally the oras character development please
Instead of disappearing for half the story like in rse

[real linden]

You fight him in victory road tho

[rancid nymph]

That bring's up a good point: is Steven or Wallace going to be champion?

[molten loom]

In the form I suggested both

As a double battle

Their teams fused

[real linden]

So a water team....

[fallen loom]

Aiden or Juan?

[real linden]

Juan

[molten loom]

Who is Aiden?

[viscid fossil]

Exactly
Oras lets you see what he's doing on random tvs and gym statues
But in emerald he just randomly shows up with a gardevoir with no explanation

[real linden]

I say give him the blue treatment, have a fight at the beginning of victory road and then as the champion

[rancid nymph]

That's one thing I forgot to mention on the form: make Wally more relevant

[rancid nymph]

Both a victory road fight and a champion fight is redundant

[molten loom]

I put give wally a ralts/ralts and make it Gardevoir/gallade at the end

[summer apex]

I did too lol

it was the only story note I had that wasn't about the villain teams

[real linden]

@molten loom why not wally as the champion fight

[molten loom]

Again it just doesn't fit him imo

[real linden]

How tho

His whole goal is to become stronger as a person

[atomic lagoon]

wait that's an awesome idea

[rancid nymph]

Wally as champion would kick ass though

[molten loom]

And he does, that doesn't require being a champion

[real linden]

But at the same time id would be a cool way to end the league

[molten loom]

You don't just fight him at victory road iirc, you fight him at the end of victory road iirc

[molten loom]

I just don't like the idea

[rancid nymph]

You fight him at the beginning in Emerald

[real linden]

And there is the most realistic answer you have given so far

In the end it's not up to us

We just giving suggestions

[summer apex]

Yeah I don't really see Wally as a champion...

That being said, I don't think any fo the Hoenn champions were particularly fit for the role

[rancid nymph]

Personally, I want to see Team Magma and Aqua fight more

[molten loom]

Wally had his own area in oras

[real linden]

@molten loom actually I have a better idea

Hear me out on this

[molten loom]

He was the one blocking you from the E4

The final challenge before you get a chance at the top, should of course be a rival fight

[real linden]

You fight wally at the start of the victory road, then while you are in the e4 challenge he is going the opposite direction after losing

[molten loom]

But that doesn't mean rival should be champ imo

[rancid nymph]

Tell that to Emerald version

And the Kanto games

[real linden]

@molten loom what about that

[molten loom]

Oras story is better imo

[molten loom]

This just sounds like he leaves after you start the E4, unless I'm reading wrong

[real linden]

He loses to the champion while you are still challenging the e4

[full bison]

How about we just have another Wally fight at like Mossdeep or something instead of all this complicated stuff around the E4

[molten loom]

I feel like him being the obstacle before the E4 is still the best

[real linden]

And on the way out , he gives you motivation to

@molten loom I'm not saying he is a fight mid e4

[molten loom]

This is much better than him being champ

[real linden]

Basically, you fight him in victory road, and he goes ahead before you and challenges the e4 before you. While you are mid e4, you see him going the opposite direction after he loses to the champion, and he gives you some motivation speech before continuing out

What do you think

[molten loom]

No, I much prefer him waiting at the end of victory road for a fight to decide which of us goes forward, and in the game you make a promise to fight next time you meet after the last fight with him

[real linden]

@molten loom if you look at this from a non biased pov, is this a good alternative tho

[molten loom]

Compared to oras I'd say no

Compared to emerald yes

[real linden]

And If the story end has to change

So if oras is a 10 and emerald is a 5 then my idea is a 8 basically

[molten loom]

Sure

[real linden]

Also as a note this isn't a oras remake it's just emerald

So lets leave it at the makers to decide

[molten loom]

Incorrect it's a fan game drawing from both

[real linden]

Correction It's a fan game that will have an entire new story for the fun of the players

Btw this has to be one of the nicest argument/debates in discord history

@molten loom what about a scenario with zinnia as champion, how do you think that could work out

[molten loom]

Eh her thing was working in the shadows from what I remember

[scarlet pebble]

Mega evolution

Frfr

[real linden]

@molten loom but do you think it could work if done properly

[prime dust]

megas won't happen, the game already has the gimmick of fusing pokemon

[real linden]

Tbh she had so much potential

[scarlet pebble]

🤓

Sounds like you want pokemon finite fusion

[real linden]

@scarlet pebble megas already exist as self fusions

[scarlet pebble]

With mega we get more sprites to be made

[full bison]

Zinnia is definitely best relegated to a couple of winks and nods for most of the story until maybe the climax or post game. I think it would be neat to get into a fight with what you think is a random Magma Grunt, but she just has a Bagon fusion

[scarlet pebble]

🤓

[full bison]

?tag rule17

[opal trail]

Rule 17 CODE OF CONDUCT: Be nice. Not just in this server, either, this is a good rule for life in general. Assume the best intentions of those you speak to, apologise if you hurt them, and allow them to apologise if they hurt you. Politeness and patience can stop a lot of unnecessary aggression.

[scarlet pebble]

Do I do it?

[full bison]

Just spamming nerd emojis does nothing productive for conversation and makes you look like a jerk

[scarlet pebble]

Just not getting the joke makes you look like a person that is cool

[real linden]

@full bison do you think there is a chance for Zinnia to be a champion level trainer

[full bison]

Champion level? Probably. Actual champion? No

[scarlet pebble]

Anyways

Something with crawdaunt/shieldon

[real linden]

@full bison I mean, zinnia deserves more

[scarlet pebble]

Crawdon

[full bison]

She already has quite a lot

[real linden]

@full bison in oras to me, she was a bit underwealming

[full bison]

She was literally the one driving almost the entire plot of Episode Delta

[gilded palm]

I did really enjoy episode delta

ORAS probably the best of the remakes

[real linden]

She is treated as the bad guy for most of that story, when she is genuinely a nice person

[gilded palm]

She was actively preventing the mauwile space center guys from getting rid of an asteroid

It's not like those guys knew about rayquaza who loves to eat asteroids

[weak trellis]

I still hold by HGSS even if I do admit it's not perfect

[full bison]

She was never really treated as a bad guy, the big thing was her differing perspective from Steven on how to solve the meteor problem

[real linden]

This proves my point

[weak trellis]

and HGSS is still an awful nuzlocke game lol

[real linden]

She deserves more normal scenes

I still think Delta story would be cool, but let us get to know zinnia a bit first

[molten loom]

Not much competition tbf

[real linden]

Btw, anyone want a team sky for the luls

[gilded palm]

Could be fun

[real linden]

Zinnia as the co leader along someone named mikey

@molten loom what do you think about having zinnia as a character that appears more often within the evil team stories, as someone you just so happen to run into often

[molten loom]

I think this is the best way till postgame

[real linden]

Triple fusions that happen in the space station at mossdeep

After doing the delta

[unique flame]

the only fairy type in hoendex is mawile, i hope they sneak some of them in the classical mode

[hollow grove]

never played the gen 3 games but i love to help

i grew up with gen 4

[full bison]

Clefairy could fit in pretty much any region with how basic its design is and its lore of being from the moon

I'd be OK with it being tossed into Hoenn to boost up the Fairy number a bit

[viscid fossil]

Ralts jumpscare

And azurill

[unique flame]

oh yeah i forgot they

[full bison]

I think the biggest thing I'd want to see is just the Battle Frontier. It's been so damn long since we had one ever since Gamefreak decided to abandon it cause "dang kids and their cellular devices."

[silk cobalt]

it'd need a huuuuge revamp

also i hope we have a not-wallace champion. any other main character would be fine

[molten loom]

Juan

[viscid fossil]

Juan champion

[molten loom]

I still think steven/wallace double battle is probably the way to go

[silk cobalt]

steven is fiiine

i would be ok with steven wallace double battle

[summer apex]

steven / wallace / juan triple battle

hell, throw Wally in there too. Make it a quad battle

[molten loom]

but then who would run gym 8

[summer apex]

some guy they found on cragislist

[viscid fossil]

Is that not who Juan was anyway

[molten loom]

Juan is Wallace's teacher

[real linden]

Tbh Juan as champion would go kinda hard if done properly

[prime dust]

sadly we can't include juan...he just uses crabs

[molten loom]

maybe fuse his kingdra with something that has minimzie to make it more annoying

[prime dust]

i mean it already has double team which does the same thing

[real linden]

Luvdisk/ludicolo

Crawdant kingler

Wiscash whailord

[molten loom]

isn't minimize 2 stages of evasion?

[real linden]

Yes

[prime dust]

so he has to use the move 6 times instead of 3, big whoop

[real linden]

Walrein/lapras

Milotic/kingdra for the coil cheese

Thoughts on the fusion ideas for juan

[molten loom]

forgot wally was like that

[midnight wharf]

My only issue with hoenn is the first half has you circling the same 5 towns again and again

[full bison]

Oh yeah, he apparently went full competitive tryhard after losing to you at Victory Road. That was an odd direction his character took

Like Kieran without the edginess

[molten loom]

actually its the 2nd battle after the victory road one

actually I can't remember if I ever did the battle maison stuff when I play Omega ruby

[thin pawn]

I love endgame trainers without fully evolved pokemon

[full bison]

I completely forgot he didn't fully evolve his Magneton and Roselia in the ORAS Victory Road. I guess it was to be more faithful to his team in the original, but it's still odd to see

[thin pawn]

Why does Wally not have a magnezone or Roserade? Who knows

[weak trellis]

post gen 3ism reserved for gallade only

[thin pawn]

Sad

[hard dirge]

I feel like the sprite for npcs and players shouldn't be quite as tall,the proportions in IF always kind of felt weird compared to the original more squat sprites.

[thin pawn]

I guess it's because it uses more sprites from other games

Like some Gen 4 and 5 sprites

[full bison]

Like how all the gamblers use the sprite of Rood for some reason

[elfin goblet]

i want spheal to be in the game sooner like can catch in the sea

[prime dust]

in PIF? it won't be catchable

[elfin goblet]

hoenn

[prime dust]

that requires the game being made

figure probably 6 months to a year before a demo is out and that is a generous guess

[molten loom]

they did get changed to an old man at some point

[elfin goblet]

i just dont want to wait half a game to get the boi

[hard dirge]

I need to go back and spend more time with Gen 4/5. Most of my time is spent in gen 1/2/3. Still havne't finished SuMo or SwSh. :/

[elfin goblet]

i suggest platinum and bw2

[thin pawn]

Why is Spheal banned from pif

[prime dust]

well we need to wait

[thin pawn]

What did it do

[prime dust]

i have no idea how long frog was working on PIF before he released the 1.0 version

[elfin goblet]

i dont mind waiting i just wanted to get my suggestion

[molten loom]

I think its been said that at minimum 6 months for the first demo

that would go to slateport iirc

[prime dust]

depends on how easy it is to code all the stuff [like can it just be copy pastaed] and how fast frog can get everything sorted for Gen 3

[fickle crest]

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[opal trail]

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[bleak summit]

I would imagine longer than it will take to do Hoenn

[fickle crest]

this apply if you asking about a players, if it's a pokemon i've don't understand, don't mind it

[thin pawn]

It's about a pokemon

[prime dust]

as for Gen 4 or Gen 5 fan games, we're still a few years off those since its only been in the last year or so that the tools started becoming more public knowledge

[thin pawn]

Mordrid said it wouldn't be catchable but it's not a gen 8 mon

Ah thats why

[fickle crest]

well don't mind it, i've read "someone" banned, and some people tends to have Pokemon name as nick or things like that, Have a nice day

[hard dirge]

3rd versions always slap.

[prime dust]

tbf it wasn't that i mentioned banned, i just said spheal wouldn't be catchable in PIF

this is covered in the FAQ for the Hoenn version

[thin pawn]

All good, sorry for the confusion

[prime dust]

some/most mons from that won't be obtainable in PIF [i.e., anything from the new game will need to be transferred over via the NG+ mechanic]

[elfin goblet]

yup

[fickle crest]

no problem, i've got a bit of pinging rules problem, i think i should see a doctor too

[thin pawn]

[prime dust]

I hope Frog leaves Norman's Gym alone, that already has a weird gimmick

[molten loom]

I hope the one hit ko room gets a shedinja fusion

so it dies in one hit

[thin pawn]

Imagine if they make it so Norman can be replaced by your mom

That could be fun

[prime dust]

though now that I think about it, it was only the post game gyms that got new puzzles added

base gyms had their default stuff

stares over at Vermillion Gym

[molten loom]

but which default will frog pick, as there are differences between ruby/sapphire, emerald, and oras

[twilit reef]

Yeah they should make Watson's gym Vermillion's puzzle

[prime dust]

it has been so long i barely remember any difference in the gym puzzles between R/S and Emerald

and ORAS I think was just Emerald but with extra stuff on top

[molten loom]

forgot one

[prime dust]

so slight differences from R/S and Emerald and a complete upgrade with ORAS

[molten loom]

slight till you see mossdeep

meanwhile kanto remakes just uh keep the gym the same

[hexed agate]

It's a Pokéssentials thing, really

[weak trellis]

emerald slapping in so many "you could make this into a double battle..." encounters

[prime dust]

I have an odd request for Wattson...I require his Voltorb to be fused with Whimsicott and for it to be a beast

[hexed agate]

Most Pokéssentials games have the tall character

[twilit reef]

I kind of like emerald flannery over the remake

[prime dust]

and it has to know Rollout

[bleak summit]

I would say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", but you are showing the Vermillion gym...

[prime dust]

it was broke, we fixed it, it still broke

[thin pawn]

now its even more broke

[viscid fossil]

Ok but which trick house layouts do we use

[thin pawn]

Oh the normal type gym looks really simple actually

Is there a gimmick I'm missing

[twilit reef]

You choose who you want to fight if I remember correctly

[thin pawn]

wow

[twilit reef]

So you decide whether you want to challenge a trainer with high speed (swellow) or the other couple

[viscid fossil]

And then you end up fighting all of them because wow Norman has a big level gap

[molten loom]

lots of options

[viscid fossil]

And they use x items to boost that

[twilit reef]

You right

[thin pawn]

Oh fun

[twilit reef]

Yeah they could change it

Honestly I don't hate it

[thin pawn]

I don't see why they'd remove it

[twilit reef]

You were serious when you said fun?

[molten loom]

which Mauville do we use is also a good question

[bleak summit]

A very good question

[molten loom]

boring town or massive idk what to call it

[bleak summit]

Apartment building/shopping mall?

[molten loom]

yeah I guess

[twilit reef]

I now have to listen to a jazz arrangement of mauville

[thin pawn]

It doesn't sound terrible

[molten loom]

if we get the remake one we might lose gambling

[thin pawn]

PIF is already more difficult than regular pokemon

[twilit reef]

The speed fusion might be linoone with like electrode or something

[bleak summit]

Doesn't sound like a huge loss

[molten loom]

yeah not really

[twilit reef]

Wait for the speed room they just do x speed on a delcatty

[molten loom]

dolls in the remake

[twilit reef]

WAIT WAIT ARE BASES GONNA BE IN

[molten loom]

we don't know

[twilit reef]

It's mostly a multiplayer thing so

[molten loom]

I mean so is wonder trade but look at it in PIF

but also we can just post pictures of bases we make

[twilit reef]

Yeah but that's not as fun as making a little labyrinth you have to maneuver to get the flag

[bleak summit]

Was that a thing in gen 3?

[twilit reef]

Mhm

[prime dust]

the secret base, yes

[past abyss]

Yeah but only with those cables that allowed you to trade

[molten loom]

gen 4 had flag stealing

[bleak summit]

Makes sense. Gen 4 was the first to have easy multiplayer

[molten loom]

ORAS added a lot to them

[twilit reef]

Wow I really can't remember a thing

[past abyss]

Do you guys like this idea of mine?

[bleak summit]

Tbf, it has been a long time since those games came out

[real linden]

@past abyss oras had that as well

[real linden]

Kinda

[twilit reef]

I think I remember in oras it was harder to make like the base hard. Or I was literally 10 years older

[real linden]

It wasn't easy to set up, that's for sure, but id did exist

[molten loom]

I could see frog either making some hidden bases for us to capture, or having the community make some if he does add them

[past abyss]

Yea, but I mean more so about how you can catch a bunch of random pokemon that are of a certain type in a special room, as well as the special trainers that you battle to unlock the Infinite Splicers, Infinite Reversers, and the Triple Fusion machine during the progression of the game in the secret base

[molten loom]

certainly not going to require 1000 flags for a higher rank though

[twilit reef]

Kinda wish I added secret bases to my Google form now

[molten loom]

you can make multiple forms

[twilit reef]

Don't wanna

[past abyss]

You can add more to your Google form lol

[twilit reef]

Ugh now I have to

[molten loom]

also which victory road

[amber sparrow]

I had an idea that I included in the google doc... that, given Birch gets saved from either a Poochyena or a Zigzagoon depending on version, that fight, to show off fusion as a concept, should be against a fusion of both mons.... I also doodled an idea for such a fusion but am no sprite artist....

tbh... I hope we get ORAS version's final room for Victory Road... mostly because I want us to have a fun, tough as nails battle vs Wally

[molten loom]

same

[amber sparrow]

probably gotta give Wally a Gardevoir Gallade fusion as his ace

[molten loom]

although it does require strength again, its not as bad as Kanto

yeah I had 3 suggestions for my first form, Wallace/Steven double battle, Birch getting chased by zigzag/pooch, wally getting ralts/ralts at the start into gardevoir/gallade at the end

[bleak summit]

So approve the gardevoir/gallade

[amber sparrow]

I had an idea of maybe having Zinnia pulling the strings to trick both leaders and your character into awakening the 3 legends because she wants to them.... maybe throw into the post game a reveal that she isn't evil... she just felt that much power in a single mon was necessary to stop Deoxys to sort of blend the Emerald Story, and Delta episode into its own story... heck... even have it so the fusion partly fails, Rayquaza gets away, injured, and she flees into the Cave of Origin with her Groudon/Kyogre fusion... you have to find Rayquaza, catch it, get it healed by the elder in Meteor Falls, then chase Zinnia down

[full bison]

I do think it would be fun to speculate on what types the Remix gym leaders and E4 types would be. So far I'm thinking that Brawly would be Dark cause of his gym gimmick, Wattson being Steel due to his involvement in construction, Wallace/Juan being Ice cause of their gym, and Drake being Water cause he looks like a boat captain

[rugged temple]

I think zinnia attempting to make a Rayquaza clone with help and then fuse them together would be good for getting a reveal to the self fusion for Rayquaza

[molten loom]

it feels far too early to think about remix for hoenn

[turbid cobalt]

Am I able to ask how long it's expected to take? No rush whatsoever, just curious

[molten loom]

6+ months for the first demo up to slateport is the current expected

[turbid cobalt]

Ok

[turbid topaz]

I think it'd be even more fun to do something else in Post-Game

Like, say... Fighting a Triple Fusion of Deoxys's 3 Forms at the Top of Sky Pillar in a 2v1 with Rayquaza helping you

[molten loom]

slight issue there

[turbid topaz]

What's up?

[molten loom]

deoxys doesn't have forms in infinite fusion

[silk cobalt]

Dark's a good thought! I always had Water in mind with him since he's a beach guy.

[turbid topaz]

Well it's Hoenn BAY-BEE, so Deoxys and all its Forms are gonna get the Spotlight during Post-Game

[silk cobalt]

yet

I highly doubt they won't add any

[molten loom]

you want to sort through all the deoxys fusions deciding which is a specific form

[gray vine]

i highly doubt they would

thats so many extra forms for like no reason

[turbid topaz]

I highly doubt they wouldn't

[turbid topaz]

They're already adding Castform, so what's Deoxys with it and its 3 Forms gonna do?

[molten loom]

same thing rotom is doing

nothing

[gray vine]

Castform has a huge change in design

when it comes to fusions

[turbid topaz]

Let's ask Frog about it

[gray vine]

deoxies is the same thing just different stats

[turbid topaz]

@spice sage Sorry if we're bothering you, but would you be willing to settle a debate? We're talking about Alt Forms, and I was wondering if you planned on finally giving people access to Deoxys's 3 Forms or not in IF2

[gray vine]

bruh

[spice sage]

It's not planned atm. One of the issues would be sorting the old sprites into each of the forms

[slim otter]

With how similar the deoxys forms are, I could see the form change being a purely mechanic thing

[spice sage]

But I'm not definitely ruling it out either

[slim otter]

"Deoxys changed into its defense form!"
And doesn't look different

Could be a good idea for the suggestion form

[alpine inlet]

Voltorb Flip 2

Any questions?

[gray vine]

whats the size of the sun

[turbid topaz]

Oh- actually, do you guys think we should ask for Pokemon Contests in the Google Form?

[full bison]

I thought Pokemon contests were a given, seeing as it's one of Hoenn's big things

[silk cobalt]

i mean i did myself

[full bison]

But I'm definitely down for them being a thing

There's just the issue of having to sort out what contest type all the moves introduced in Gen 7 would be

[past abyss]

Oh! An idea to go along with my idea of the secret base being how you get the infinite splicers and infinite reversers and triple fusion machine via battling a trainer per gym then 4 trainers, then Red using triple fusions then Colress to get all 3 gimmicks

Let’s make it so there are puzzles in the secret base that correspond with the respecting HM, so like a room with a Cut Puzzle, a room with an strength puzzle, a room with a Surf and Dive and Waterfall puzzle(the dive puzzle is at the end of the surf puzzle and the waterfall puzzle is at the end of the dive puzzle), and room with rock smash puzzle

At the end of every puzzle is the Key item of the HM move

And then for the Other Key Item HM versions, like for Fly, Flash and any unique “HM” moves you get them by doing the Trick House, along with getting some items that’ll help you, like for the last Trick Room which spawns only after getting the Triple Fusion machine you get a Infinite Incubator, which cuts hatching Pokemon eggs time to a third of the progress time needed to hatch the egg?

[silk cobalt]

Honestly I'm more excited for contests than I am the Battle Frontier just because of how annoying the BF would be to program and manage under Fusion conditions

[turbid topaz]

The issue with Pokemon Contests though would be having to Add a New Stats Screen for EVERY Fusion and stuff, which sounds extremely arduous.

[full bison]

Eh. I Imagine contest stats would be handled kinda like EVs are fusionwise

Every single Pokemon has the exact same contest stats as a baseline, it's not like they have contest base stats

[turbid topaz]

Poffins and Pokeblocks or whatever can change that though, which is where things could start getting out of hand

[past abyss]

Not unless on the main stat screen they put a 3rd stat behind every stat that is for contests only?

[full bison]

I fail to see how it's too much different to how proteins and zincs etc. are handled for Fusions as is

[past abyss]

Kinda like this:

HP: 12/12 (IV/EV): 10/20 (Contest): 15

Or make the contest stats the IV/EVs?

[bitter comet]

Man, secret bases would be cool. I would just love to decorate a space.

[unique flame]

im spriting my full for hoen (only hoendex since it's classical run)

[past abyss]

What do you all think of this ideas for the secret base tho?

Having the secret base be how we get the Key items of HMs and how you get access to the Infinite Splicers, Infinite Reversers and the triple fusion machine is honestly a great reason to use the secret base other than the fact that it’s mostly cosmetic fun

[azure python]

MOAR WATER

(And water-based outfits)

[viscid fossil]

Surpised nobody's said this here yet
7.8/10 too much water

[azure python]

0/10 not enough water

[twilit reef]

Castumpt is so cool

[unique flame]

i made all the forms, now i need more three mons that fit the type chart well

for now i have

grass/rock
normal-fire-water-ice/ground
ghost/dark

(all in the emerald main game)

[twilit reef]

I think just from like a looking at your team's colors you need more blue.

Your team is kind of neutral. Idk. But altaria, wishcash and manetric are all blue

[full bison]

The introduction of Delcatty means I'm another step closer to my "all bad abilities" run to torture myself with

[unique flame]

bad abilty until you skillswap while fused with a ghost

[rancid nymph]

What bad ability does Delcatty have?

[viscid fossil]

Normalize

It's like pixilate or refrigerate but backwards

[rancid nymph]

Doesn’t that make all of Delcatty’s moves STAB though?

[viscid fossil]

All non-normal moves get a power boost but become normal type