#pif-hoenn-discussion

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rugged temple
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This is why you should beat corporate brained merchants who get their grubby hands into projects with pinata sticks and pool noodles

frosty patio
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Let’s tank their stocks!

rugged temple
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Not gonna happen

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They make more money than disney

frosty patio
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Nah we can give money to Palworld and then get Furukawa framed for a insider trading scandal for SURE

rugged temple
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They'll pay it to be cleared like it's another tax write off

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More importantly it's time for me to draw claydols

frosty patio
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Pshhh that won’t save them from the massive divestments

frosty patio
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Do we know if Hoenn will have an original plot like the OG or if it’ll follow the plot of emerald /or/ ruby/sapphire

rugged temple
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Can't wait for the kyogrouquaza

full bison
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I'm imagining it will mostly follow the plotline of Emerald, but there's the question of how many ORAS elements gets added

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IE will Zinnia be in this

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I really hope she is if for no other reason than to give me another excuse to listen to her amazing battle theme

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She could also act as a Dragon Ascent tutor too, thinking about it

frosty patio
full bison
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Is it odd that one of the biggest things I'm hyped about for the Hoenn game is the chance to relive the Mt. Chimney sequence? That's always stood out to me as one of the most memorable moments in Pokemon for some reason

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Probably cause it was one of the first times in Pokemon that the stakes actually felt really dire

molten loom
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Can't wait for all the water again

full bison
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At least we're (probably) gonna have the surfboard so we aren't required to keep that move on us throughout

summer apex
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surf is like the only HM that's competetively viable though

full bison
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Yeah it's a solid enough move, but sometimes you don't wanna use it. You aren't using a Water type, the Water type you wanna use is physical, etc.

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Also, Waterfall

summer apex
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fiar enough I suppose

arctic glacier
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I hope Spheal is accessible sooner

summer apex
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waterfall is only viable in niche situations, but yeah I guess that counts too

arctic glacier
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Spheal Team 6

full bison
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I honestly don't know where Spheal, or any Ice type for that matter, would fit in Hoenn besides that one cave tbh. It's a warm and tropical region after all

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(just another reason we need a region that takes place in a more cold place so Ice types can start to get a few more mons. It's absurd that it's the least populated type, even being less represented than a type introduced a decade into the series lifetime.

arctic glacier
mint olive
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wondering if it will expand to multiple regions as it mentions the map limitation is gone

full bison
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I just want the Battle Frontier

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Gamefreak has adamantly refused to give it to us for over a decade, and for the absolutely horrible reasoning of "darn kids and their phones"

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I just really want to experience that kind of stuff now that I know what proper teambuilding is

void crest
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Norman’s slaking is going to be a menace

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Gonna make all the other gym leaders feel like route one trainers 😭

full bison
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Imagine instead of Truant, it's fused with Golisopod and you have to fight around Emergency Exit instead

void crest
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🥀

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Slaking dragonite with espeed

crystal cape
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will PIFH have newer-gen pokemon (sorry if this is dumb or wtv)

full bison
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It will be cross compatible with the original IF, so it will have access to all the same Pokemon as it

summer apex
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in other words... no. PIFH will have the exact same engine limitations as PIF, meaning nothing from gen 8 or later can be added

sudden jackal
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wait theres gonna be a sequel game coming out???

gray stream
elfin forge
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Man, a sequel with gen 8+ would be so cool but so unlikely 😔

frank dove
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Honestly, if theres even gonna be another sequel after this one - be it in 10+ years - I would simply adore revisiting Unova.

merry condor
frank dove
sterile spoke
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Not gonna lie, I'm still shellshocked at this announcement. 😮

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As a certified Kanto region hater, I can't wait to see Hoenn in IF. 😄

frank dove
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I was convinced my friend tried to pull some late april fools type deal when he told me about it.

merry condor
frank dove
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I cant wait for Zigzagoon.

Zigzagoon/Furret is going to be lovely.

merry condor
vestal root
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zigzagoon, my favorite hm slave

trail hull
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PIFH will be so much fun to be play thanks to crossplay

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like people can new game+ from the original pif

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I think once the main story is completed it will take the internet by storm again

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like already 50% sprites completed for all fusions , while the new mons are gonna need fusions this already help a lot the game , also a lot of the feature like dex entries and character customization that were added later on will be here from the get go which will also hype the game up

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But in any case I'm very happy for pif hoenn (who knows maybe I will finally beat pif) , lots of new fusions to sprite

unique flame
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we are confirmed of crossplay? what do we know so far

velvet root
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PIFH is gonna be sick
Just imagine how beautifull it will look and the changed up areas

hexed agate
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80% water, 100% trumpets

finite reef
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Mono water will provide so many encounters

trail hull
unique flame
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i might play hoen more than once the reason i just finish kanto once is because i hate kanto dungeon design

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its so boring in some caves and rocket places

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im up to help with structure sprites if needed

tropic dew
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Honestly, I'm mostly just hoping that Secret Bases will be implemented in some fashion.

frank dove
hexed agate
tropic dew
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and besides Secret Bases, it would be neat if we could visit another region, but Hoenn's kind of... mostly on its own, iirc? No idea what other regions are meant to neighbor it.

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except MAYBE the Sevii Islands since RSE and FRLG share some Event Island locations?

unique flame
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frog should ask for us to sprite some structures , theres a legion of spriters here now he dont need to do all himself

assuming he will not only re-use all emerald assets

tropic dew
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I figure that the assets will probably be designed to better match the current style of PIF character sprites, as far as scale goes, but will more or less resemble the RSE building structure design overall.

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Then again, Pokemon Center designs in PIF took inspiration from Gen 5 design, while the Pokemon Marts were a whole new design

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Might be interesting to see if we'll get designs similar to the RSE buildings, or if we'll see something like what we got in ORAS, but translated to 2D

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or if we might get something wholly unique for PIF: Hoenn.

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I figure we'll have similarly scaled character sprites to original PIF, so something Gen 4-ish in scale, but visually, who knows what the buildings will be like?

trail hull
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technically since it's the same engine, the characters will be the same

merry condor
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Me after PIF Hoenn come out. I probably will pick torchic.

tropic dew
trail hull
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yeah

tropic dew
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Would still be kinda nice if we had different designs for key buildings like the Pokemon Center and Mart, so it's not just an asset flip.

merry condor
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I wonder where's the locations for pokemon with HA, On Kanto the location is hidden forest.

unique flame
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he should abuse the fact they hano no johto and make a lot of new areas

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not on release obviously

tropic dew
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On that note, I personally wouldn't mind if the scale of some cities got bumped up. because despite being the city in which the Devon Corporation is headquartered in, Rustboro seems comparatively... dinky, when you compared it to its contemporaries like Silph Co. and Saffron City.

trail hull
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well maybe pifh could include sinnoh (that would be fun but unlikeliky)

unique flame
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make it alola, most people didnt have the chance to play alola

trail hull
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hoenn is easy to do since maps already exist

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while alola has no pixel art maps

frank dove
tropic dew
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I figure if we want to have Hoen and Sinnoh in the same game, we can't exactly have it like Kanto and Johto where it's suddenly revealed that oh they're neighbors I guess

It'd have to be a totally separate town map or something

trail hull
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well those 4 regions are closer to each other then any following regions

tropic dew
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true

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But like... the shared Event Islands between RSE and FRLG suggest that Hoenn and the Sevii Islands are close-ish neighbors, so...

trail hull
tropic dew
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I figure to get to Sinnoh, we'd have to board a plane or long distance cruise or something.

frank dove
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And hey, if sinnoh post-game had the sinnoh league too I could have another one of those ptsd episodes again.

trail hull
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cynthia but the fusions are on steroids

hexed agate
trail hull
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give her legendaries

frank dove
trail hull
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we need cynthia team to have tough fusion , we don't care about her previous team make her a bigg trauma

sterile spoke
frank dove
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There a plenty of horrors that can be derived from her previous mons.

trail hull
frank dove
tropic dew
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Oh, I had a dangerous idea. You know how Sinnoh had areas where you had a designated double battle buddy you escorted? You know how Hoenn is the region where Double Battles started, and that we had NPCs are could call for rematches/plot progression/sidequests?

What if you could call up specific people to team up with like... long-term? You beat Cynthia and then you can call her up and ask if she wants to travel around with you and give random NPC trainers PTSD instead.

trail hull
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that would be fun

frank dove
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You get a gold star.

trail hull
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honestly talking abt sinnoh is fun but the game isn't even in demo

tropic dew
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oh yeah

frank dove
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We can DREAM!

tropic dew
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also true

trail hull
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so we can imagine all we want tho sinnoh isn't anytime soon

frank dove
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Exactly!

tropic dew
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oh definitely.

But like... the framework for a "call a homie" type of function would be kind of neat. Like maybe you call them on your Pokegear, and to actually get them to join you, you have to visit like... a Bus Stop, and to send them on their way, you dismiss them there, too?

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and for certain characters (Gym Leaders, major story NPCs, the freaking Champion, etc.) you have to do a sidequest to "unlock" them, naturally.

frank dove
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That sounds quite fun actually.

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If I were being realistic, why use a bus when you have a garchomp that can fly at supersonic speeds

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If I remember one of the dex entries correctly...

tropic dew
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Fair point, but also meeting your bestie at a bus stop or trolley station makes sense, yeah?

frank dove
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Of course.

tropic dew
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afaik Ride Pokemon as a commonplace thing doesn't happen until Alola, which is a fair way off, timeline-wise.

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I think

frank dove
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Yeah. That makes sense. Then again, think about legends arceus. That was wayyyyyyy back and they were already doing that.

tropic dew
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also true, but they had the excuse of having no automobiles

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on account of being in the distant-ish past.

frank dove
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Also true.

tropic dew
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Ride Pokemon is mostly just a means of integrating Pokemon into one's daily life more organically, that didn't occur to the devs until like... WAY later into the franchise's lifespan.

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the fact that it's something that technically also existed in Legends Arceus is mostly because you befriended those Pokemon and they're doing you a solid by helping out.

frank dove
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Very true.

tropic dew
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Not because it's an established part of local transporation and infrastructure to consider.

frank dove
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Dear god, thou hast reminded me of friendship mechanics.

The mere concept sends a shudder down my back.

tropic dew
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I mean, friendship mechanics in a Pokemon game, fan game or otherwise, doesn't seem all that farfetched to consider, when the Power of Friendship literally makes some Pokemon evolve, or powers up a specific move, or even makes it so your Pokemon tanks a hit that would have been a OHKO in later games.

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so like... choosing to befriend certain NPCs, and trying to become better friends with said NPC doesn't seem all that weird to me, I guess?

frank dove
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Oh yeah. That makes perfect sense.

The only part about friendship in the modern take I dislike is the "surviving things that would KO you".

tropic dew
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Heck, even in RSE, certain characters actually got more comfortable talking/interacting with you over the Phone/PokeGear the more you interacted with and/or battled them.

frank dove
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Its been too long. Apologies.

tropic dew
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So yeah, NPC friendship mechanics, and a "Call a Buddy" system would be neat mechanics to explore, especially in the region that pioneered Double Battles back in Gen III.

frank dove
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Absolutely. Also, slightly off topic but I will vastly prefer the identical water routes over whatever this was:

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merry condor
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That'll be cool feature & all but PIF only have one dev. I hope all turn out great. I enjoy playing PIF.

tropic dew
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yeee

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But yeah, I'd like to see Hoen kind of... scaled up a bit, in general. It might be the fact that Ruby and Sapphire were the first entries in Gen III, so they didn't fully explore what the hardware could do, hence why the region felt barebones in some places.

tribal patio
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no matter what hoenn is like more infinite fusion is more infinite fusion so i'm happy, like this image basically

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tropic dew
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Because again, for a city that the Devon Corporation is headquartered in, which not only produces the PokeGear but also is the place you go to if you want to revive your fossils... Rustboro is very sparse, when you compare it to Silph Co. and Saffron City.

frank dove
unique flame
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i hope they add magikarp mistery in hoen

frank dove
tropic dew
# frank dove It is rather small, isn't it?

Yeah, same with Lilycove, which is also rather sparsely populated despite being where the Lilycove Department Store is located, so you'd end up drawing parallels to Celadon...

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Honestly, Emerald got to push the envelope a fair bit, because the Battle Frontier felt SIGNIFICANTLY more lively

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on account of the larger map and many buildings

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I'm not asking for the big Cities of Hoenn to be as big as the Battle Frontier, but since we have the benefit of hindsight, it would be nice to scale up some of them in some way. Make them feel less... barren?

unique flame
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a weakly contest for that matter

tropic dew
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Like... take ORAS, for example. They turned Mauville from this...

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frank dove
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Interesting. Speaking of contests...

tropic dew
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TO THIS

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an entire "City", contained in what could be generously called a combination between a Mall and an apartment complex?

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but like WAY scaled up

merry condor
frank dove
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And so we speak our prayers to our frog god. I am very excited for the hoenn game already.

May it turn out well and may you guys have a good day.

tropic dew
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amen

sage bane
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Guys the map limits is a fairy tail.. there are games with more than 999 maps and same for gen 8+ so everything is possible if people know how to do that only require some knowledge and skills

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we want kanto johto and hoenn in the same game Venopog

brazen steppe
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I'm wondering why specifically Hoenn

hexed agate
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That's half the problem, it's either a lot of band-aids or a reconstruction of the game from 0

hexed agate
brazen steppe
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Fair enough

inland jewel
brazen steppe
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Well I know that much

inland jewel
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plus RPGMaker specifically does have a map limit unmodded

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999 maps infact

wind marsh
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Why not add Sinnoh too? They're all in Japan

sage bane
frail sequoia
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yo, just had the realization that Solrock and Lunastone are gonna be added to the PIF pool, that is so sick. Ready for an all sun and moon run

sage bane
# inland jewel plus RPGMaker specifically does have a map limit unmodded

in Game_Map.rb search
@map = load_data(sprintf("Data/Map%03d.rxdata", map_id))
add # in front of that line and add
if $game_switches[1]
then
@map = load_data(sprintf("Data2/Map%03d.rxdata", @map_id)) # rvdata pour VX, rvdata2 pour VX Ace
else
@map = load_data(sprintf("Data/Map%03d.rxdata", @map_id)) # rvdata pour VX, rvdata2 pour VX Ace
end
with this method you can surpass the 999 map limit for rpg makerxp etc

prime dust
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it may make updating the game harder

sage bane
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already tried this ?

prime dust
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no idea

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Frog is aware of ways to go beyond the limit but it might add complexity to the code which may make updating the game harder over time

prime dust
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maybe with a new game Frog can figure out which maps are useless [i.e., buildings that have no real use] and make it so you can't enter them, freeing up that space

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i vaguely remember him saying he wanted to do something like that with the current game but I think the issue lies in how the code sees map ids and how they are stored in the actual files

sterile spoke
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Also, more maps would make the load time even longer, I think. 😂

frosty patio
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The load time could be factoring a number of other things as well as the maps. Assuming they save themselves some spaghetti code they might be able to optimize it while having more

silk cobalt
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~~if yall think its so easy you do it stare ~~

sterile spoke
frosty patio
silk cobalt
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It's moreso, like, adding a whole region and modifying code takes time and a lot of considerations. Obviously I agree the code should be optimized, but we're also running on an old system that I imagine can only be modified so much.

weak trellis
frosty patio
frosty patio
crystal niche
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Where do we get the bases for the new pokemon? I want to make some sprites.

silk cobalt
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Generally, the bases are the Gen 5 sprites of that Pokémon.

next flare
hexed agate
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I remind everyone that PIF is, in fact, open-source

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Meaning that you could "fix" it or mod it do so at your own risk and discretion

full bison
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I really hope we get a Liquidation TM or Tutor so I can actually use Sharpedo and have it do more than spam Aqua Jet

torn crane
weak trellis
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yes but waterfall is a postgame move if you aren't seaking

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liquidation would give a maingame (hope) physical water move to those that weren't blessed with aqua tail

full bison
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Waterfall will likely be a non-postgame move in Hoenn, but it's still after the 8th gym, so...

weak trellis
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(or don't want to deal with Dive I guess)

bleak summit
weak trellis
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aaaah I see

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probably since I think you could get into tohjo falls early with it in earlier versions? I forget

full bison
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I thought that was fixed by just requiring 9 badges

full bison
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Kinda crazy how this channel has already started to get quiet, huh

ember bear
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what made this channel active was the fact that everyone kept advocating for their favorites

tacit saddle
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not much to talk about until more info comes out

ember bear
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yeah

full bison
proud lion
full bison
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That would be really cool, but I won't be holding my breath for it. Again, 61 is already a really big addition

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Both of the previous Pokemon addition batches added around 50 new Pokemon, so this is already noticeably more than before

queen grove
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Yaaaaaaay new game hype! 🙂

viscid fossil
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We're getting the boi

unkempt kernel
full bison
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How many people do you think would've had an issue if we had Pachi in the list of Pokemon getting added instead of Plusle and Minun? Probably not too many

severe spear
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actually the biggest issue is that my favorite pokemon is not in

unkempt kernel
unkempt kernel
full bison
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On the contrary, Pachi was the only Pikaclone I have any fondness for on account of being by far the least derivative

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Every single other one could just stop existing and I'd be fine with that

unkempt kernel
queen grove
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Togedemaru best clone.

arctic glacier
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At the very least Plusle and Minun should be easy to make complementary sprites. A + to a - and a color change and you have two sprites.

proud lion
velvet root
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Just uploaded the first half of my now if hoenn mons

full bison
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I wasn't expecting the amount of numel and camerupt related Fusions I've been seeing. I figured it would mostly be Claydol and Spheal considering they had the most vocal hype behind them

weak trellis
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my guess is that they're team magma's main mon so you're gonna be seeing them a lot in vanilla

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(team aqua's mon (carvanha/sharpedo) having already been covered)

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since gameplay-wise team magma/aqua are basically just Team Rocket with yenas and numels/camerupts and carvanhas/sharpedos respectivley

full bison
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It would be pretty neat if Archie and Maxie in a theoretical remix/expert fight just straight up had rain and Sun teams respectively. It would make a lot of thematic sense.

arctic glacier
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Yeah, I do wonder if it’ll be emerald story, or they’ll find a better way to fuse ruby and sapphire

full bison
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Emerald story feels like a good baseline, but there are definitely some kinks to work out there. Like how you only get one proper fight with Archie compared to the three with Maxie.

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I am also curious if the game will stick with the old RSE designs or if there's sprites available to replace those with the much more interesting ORAS designs

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Not that the RSE designs are bad per se, but those were definitely not as risk taking as the ORAS ones

visual mountain
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is this game going to contain only hoenn pokemon or is it an extension of the previous game's pokedex

somber torrent
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since they are trying to move pokemon from one game to the other, i guess it will be an extention or rather it will be the same dex (if i read that right) in both games.

weak trellis
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I know I've seen a few Emerald hacks that add an archie fight in the slateport encounter but that might be a bit too early

true elbow
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Anyone know why the Deoxys forms aren't added despite all other mon forms with stat differences being added?

dry cradle
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Listen spriters, tropius is my boy. Don't do him dirty

weak trellis
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probably because deoxys (and aegislash by extension) were added before the additional forms being seperate dex slots was started with minor and necrozma

full bison
alpine inlet
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Now all of the baltoy fans can finally rest easy.

full bison
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It would be kinda silly to add the alternate Deoxys forms at this point, especially with the Pokedex numbers being pretty set in stone at this point. So if the Deoxys were added right now, they would be numbered: 380, 566, 567, 568. Which is kinda strange.

weak trellis
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wouldn't be out of place with the post-kanto/johto and pre-5.0 additions tho which seem to be more in the order of what people wanted with their pre-evos just added way later

true elbow
weak trellis
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so we get ones like nincada (382), ninjask (356), and shedinja (289)

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with post 5.0 mostly avoiding that outside of the necrozma thing (450/470)

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I think bidoof is the only one where the pre-evo was added way before its evo though

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I dunno how the pre-5.0 era was though considering I was one of the ones brought in by the march/april 2023 boom with 5.0's release

full bison
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Wow, Shedinja has overshadowed Ninjask so bad that it's 70 slots before it in the Dex prior to Evo lines being standardized? I knew Shedinja was the most popular member of that line cause of the Wonder Guard gimmick, but I figured Ninjask had a bit more fans than that.

arctic glacier
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Holding out some hope that they fix all the wonky dex numbers with a new game

full bison
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Pretty sure messing with the Dex numbers to make them be in order would cause some big issues with how the Pokemon and sprites are indexed. I imagine that's why it hasn't happened at this point

viscid fossil
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They are wonky for a reason

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I wonder if something will be done about the scuba gear quest if camperl can be caught in the main game
Because you need deep sea scales

weak trellis
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my assumption is that wonder guard just had that many people wanting it specifically

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since it's the fifth post-indigo mon included after the hoenn starter trio and the ralts line

full bison
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Of course the Ralts line was the first Hoenn line introduced besides starters...

inland jewel
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all mons will keep their PIF dex numbers, when PIF Hoenn is released, those fusions will still use the sprite numbers instad of going 1.1 as the treeko/treeko fusion

1.1 = bulbasaur/bulbasaur in Hoenn still

weak trellis
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yea I missed that but I'd assuming compatability with not just kanto/hoenn but also older versions is important

full bison
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Even just trying to shuffle the Pokedex so it's congruent with the NatDex numbers sounds like it would be way too much work and troubleshooting in regards to how the Pokemon are indexed to be worth the slight satisfaction of everything being in order

inland jewel
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For 10 years now, the team has refused to acknowlege reshuffling the dex, what makes peopel think they'll do it now?

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If people do want to see it happen, why not actually go and renumber everything themsleves?

arctic glacier
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It’s why I said some hope lol

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3 complete dexes, Hoenn is by far my favorite set of games. Purely from nostalgia and ORAS was peak

weak trellis
inland jewel
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i mean... i remember it took the dev 5 years to either add a maniac to sell relic vases to, or just add a text to say "NO RELIC MANIACS"

steep raptor
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I'm so glad my boy Relicanth is finally coming

inland jewel
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he added no relic maniacs

arctic glacier
midnight wharf
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So is pif Hoenn a new game? Or just new mons?

full bison
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Relicanth being added terrifies me cause I said I would draw a fusion of it and Rayquaza that just has the Sky Pillar mural across its side and I am terrified of trying to do that

inland jewel
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took 3-4 years to also say that "Mankey paws guarentee accuracy drops"

full bison
midnight wharf
inland jewel
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so any mons in PIF you can transfer/trade over to PIF Hoenn

ivory rune
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holy shit a whole new game AND spheal ‼️

haughty sky
bleak summit
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I wonder if fusions like this will get reassigned?

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full bison
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Now that we have Psyduck and Seedot available in the game for fusion... it's time...

steep raptor
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Oh god

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make it happen

silk cobalt
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who originally did that art anyways

hexed agate
bleak summit
full bison
silk cobalt
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oh should we report those :3

mossy parrot
# full bison

i remember i made my own design when that silhouette came out heehee i still like my design tbh katten_fatten

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full bison
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I could definitely see that being an actual Pokemon

mossy parrot
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worse tepig too

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silk cobalt
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yeah a lot of people got tepig's general design right

full bison
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There's not a lot that can be interpreted differently on Tepigs silhouette TBF. It was very clearly a pig, it was mostly just a matter of type and pattern at that point.

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Funny enough it was apparently competing with Snivy for the most popular starter when their actual designs were revealed.

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And then people saw Pignite

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And all the hatred people had for Oshawott and all the love for Tepig ended up getting reversed

silk cobalt
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Dewott is so cool.

bleak summit
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Wait, people hated cute little oshawott?

full bison
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Oh, he was despised.

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You know how a bunch of fanart exists of a bunch of Water starters looking really sad and dejected? The few Oshawott fans at the time were the ones who started that whole trend

bleak summit
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I was not aware of this

full bison
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People either hated the little guy or felt sorry for it enough to make all that sad art

gray vine
full bison
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I guess what really boosted Oshawott's reputation was when it was shown in the anime and people saw how expressive it could be

bleak summit
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I always loved oshawott and tepig. Not so much snivy, though

gray vine
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i thought people just didnt like Samurott

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which i thoguht was the best of the trio (trio of oshawott, dewott, samurott)

full bison
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Samurott was a mixed bag perception wise

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Lotta hate, lotta love

bleak summit
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The only criticism I can remember from back then was emboar being the 3rd fire/fighting starter in a row

full bison
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Funny enough, people were mad that Samu didn't stand on two legs. Imagine seeing that criticism of a starter nowadays lmao

bleak summit
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XD

silk cobalt
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yeah lol

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I still think it would've been cool if it did. The other did, and not using the swords in a cool pose was 😔

full bison
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I'm convinced all the sad Water starter art is what eventually led to us getting Sobble. We do know that Gamefreak acknowledges fanart to some degree (RIP Flying Eeveelution) so they probably saw all that and made Sobble super sad to emulate that

rotund agate
modern nymph
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MAKUHITA!!!!!!

rotund agate
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?

bold sonnet
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Still can’t believe this is getting a sequel. Also looking forward to the evil team grunts having good fusions to face instead of OG Hoenn games where you face nothing but zubats and pocchyenas from all the time XD

rotund agate
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I’m so confused

modern nymph
bleak summit
rotund agate
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Are they adding Hoenn?

rotund agate
full bison
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A whole new game is being made that takes place on Hoenn

bleak summit
rotund agate
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Cannot wait to see how that turns out

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The first one was already peak

charred vault
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The spriters have been released with the new mons and are already going nuts. That beautiflyxcarbink is STUNNING.

rain locust
full bison
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Beautifly really is getting some of the best sprites out of all of this so far. I'd feel bad for Butterfree if it wasn't the proud owner of one of the most beloved sprites in the whole game

weak trellis
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butterfree still has compoundeyes under its wings tho

full bison
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I feel like people will just use Galvantula if they wanna abuse Compound eyes, but I guess the more usable powder moves make it pretty great in the early game

rain locust
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naw tinted lens blows compound eyes out of the water

full bison
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A: Hidden Ability
B: Yanmega and Venomoth wear that better

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Venomoth in general is crazy underrated in the context of fusing Pokemon

vocal pivot
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For a sweeper, yes

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When you're using it to status, no

full bison
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Crazy how Bug types have 3 absolutely amazing abilities more or less locked to themselves (Shield Dust, Compoundeyes, Tinted Lens) but because Gamefreak hates giving Bug types decent statlines you barely see them in action

unreal talon
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EXCITED AF

full bison
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Aww, YouTube flagged the upload of the trailer as being for kids so it can't be commented on anymore

bleak summit
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So, I have decided to work on a castform fusion

rain locust
mint olive
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i think you can think bigger, a triple fusion for castform form

bleak summit
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XD

rain locust
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triple self fusion = 6 balls for each mon on the team

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who needs anyone else

mint olive
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wondering if the sequel contains delta episode

bleak summit
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We won't know for quite awhile

full bison
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I'm imagining the story will derive more from Emerald considering it's just one game, but the Delta episode can coexist just fine with Emerald considering it's more about the conflict between Zinnia and Steven than anything involving Archie or Maxie

empty halo
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I'm thinking about how the legendaries would be obtained, I think maybe in the fight between Groudon and Kyogre, someone could throw DNA Splicers at them, fusing them together. For other non-Hoenn legendaries:

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Ho-Oh/Lugia: After obtaining the Scanner and returning it to Captain Stern, he gives the player a Navel Ticket, granting access to Navel Rock.

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Other Legendaries would be found at their respective Mirage Spots, which would be found in the overworld

full bison
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I feel like Mirage Spots won't be a thing outside of a potential sidequest that will eventually lead to Hoopa, considering the blatant connection between them and how Frog seems to prefer giving the Legendaries actual proper locations

empty halo
dusty arrow
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WHERE

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WHERE IS ICE TYPE MAGIKARP

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HES A GEN 3 POKEMON

hexed agate
trail hull
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the old one look like this

lanteal.webp
unique flame
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i will make a full classic run team for when hoen came out

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they need to all be on emerald main game

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i accept suggestions

hexed agate
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Milotic

trail hull
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guys , I have a theory , frogs already know the mon up to 600

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let me explain my reasoning

merry condor
trail hull
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before the hoenn mon got announced the !battle command worked up to 600 , but now if I try to do a mon after 565 it doesn't let me

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thefore I think it's to hide that there are more mons planned

unique flame
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and i think they will be hoen exclusives and frog will gamefreak us to trade betweengames

trail hull
full bison
trail hull
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some pokemons will be only obtainable from hoenn game (aside from randomizer)

hexed agate
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For the 1st part of it, at least

trim badger
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Ok this isn’t said explicitly in the FAQ unless I forgot how to read but will all pre-existing pokemon be in Hoenn or the remix mode (in like 5 years). I do think they would at least be transferable at least though right?

arctic glacier
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Early game Slakoth bout to hit different

turbid topaz
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Guts on a Linoone with Facade is about to hit real different

clear lichen
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It simply isn't happening

hexed agate
full bison
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I would maybe on copium for UBs if there was any reason to believe we're getting more Pokemon than the 61 we know about. And I sincerely doubt that

hexed agate
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We already doubled the Pokémon since last year

mint olive
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imagine huge power slaking went one punch on everthing with azumarill fusion

arctic glacier
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Now that’s base game, Slakoth and Marill are early encounters.

full bison
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Huge Power Azumarill/Slaking is actually about to get shown up by Pure Power Medicham/Slaking

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Medicham has slightly more base Attack to pass along and has the offensively better Fighting type as it's primary

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Bulk Up+ Drain Punch too

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Oddly enough though it doesn't get Mach Punch. It gets Bullet Punch, but not the STAB equivalent

weak trellis
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azumarill still gives water which is a great type as well though

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imo it'll be a sidegrade, but a good sidegrade

rapid wasp
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water type doesnt have any good physical water attacks though

full bison
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Aqua Jet is really enough when you have Huge Power and 2/3 Slaking's natural Attack

deft schooner
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I will say, my main hope here is later updates giving us Gen 8-9 mons, I wanna fuse Goldengo dammit

If not that then I’d say Melmetal atleast seems like a fun idea

molten loom
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melmetal maybe in the far future

full bison
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Gholdengo, Glimmora, the Charcadet line, Polteageist and Toxitricity would all be really fun to have, but alas

deft schooner
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Don’t you hazbin hotel reaction gif me

unkempt kernel
full bison
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That's why it has any chance

deft schooner
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Like I think it’s completely in their power and makes sense when considering a sequel

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it’s just kinda doesn’t feel immediately in the cards

unkempt kernel
deft schooner
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That’s for the old one, I looked at the one in pins before considering to say

unkempt kernel
deft schooner
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fuck they hate fun /silly

molten loom
deft schooner
molten loom
deft schooner
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Why tho

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like I never got that

full bison
# deft schooner Why tho

I feel it's more an issue of not wanting to put up with all the BS behind coding in all those new abilities and moves cause a bunch of them can get pretty esoteric

deft schooner
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then don’t do those ones they can pick and choose

full bison
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Almost every single newer Pokemon has a signature move and ability

unkempt kernel
deft schooner
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I’d imagine something like Good as Gold or Toxic Debris would be easier than like elecroisis or whatever that frog has

deft schooner
unkempt kernel
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Not really

deft schooner
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I mean like, from my knowledge of essentials

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It feels like trying to program new stuff in is hard but not like impossible, especially with guidelines to work with

full bison
#

At the end of the day, there's plenty of amazing Pokemon that are still yet to be added. We can worry about the logistics of adding the Gen 8+ stuff when we're down to the Patrats and Lumineons of the remaining Pokemon that can be added

deft schooner
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If that’s their direction I guess

summer apex
#

You see, adding in new stuff is completely possible

Adding in new stuff without breaking any of the old stuff? That's where it gets tricky

tacit saddle
#

at the end of the day

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its the devs choice

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this project is his 10 year old passion project

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keyword: HIS. he can add whatever mons he wants, and he doesn't want to add 8+

hushed axle
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But sheep and Sino Wallace summed it up pretty well. The dev doesn’t want to. We should respect that decision. mrshrug

If YOU want to make your own mod of the game and add them, that’s up to you. The game is open source. Just know that we won’t help with it and you won’t get support in #tech-support for any issues that arise

wind marsh
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I'd assume that with such a long running project there's just tons of spaghetti code because that's what happens

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Adding new things isn't just slotting a new brick onto the Lego set it's like walking through a minefield

tacit saddle
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very much so

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this game is not a simply coded game

wind marsh
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And it's not a dig or anything to say it's probably full of spaghetti code, that's just the natural state of things to become a mess as they become more complex

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It just wouldn't be a good use of time or resources when there are easier routes of expansion

hushed axle
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Even V19 of essentials has spaghetti code tbh

wind marsh
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Plus like there's a few Gen8+ pokemon that exist already as alt sprites

deft schooner
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I get it

wind marsh
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Sorry, didnt mean to group up on you.

opaque root
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My boy castaform is finally being added to the game! I wonder how cool the fusions will look with the weather form change

random dragon
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Will hoenn include the other infinite fusion dex Pokémon?

rapid wasp
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probably or maybe not

unique flame
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classical is the base dex from the game + some fluf
im spriting my team for hoen right now

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gray vine
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Sceptile + Zigzagoon

scarlet pebble
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Alright man I know someone interested <@&306953740651462656>

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Damn

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Too late

hidden relic
modest latch
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finaly a dream comes true. IF + gen 3. best way to go

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looking forwart to the rayquarzar scene^^

vocal pivot
unique flame
# vocal pivot Sceptile/Seviper

i was about to say why you want me to fuse a special with a physical but i just saw seviper have 100 for both for some reason

vocal pivot
#

Hoenn statlines are weird like that

river hatch
#

do we know when the hoenn pokemon are coming to PIF 1?

proud lion
#

We do not know, patience is a virtue

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To me, the number reveals are the release to me. I can create new possibilities at me fingertips.

coarse karma
#

@stone hinge Sorry accidentally linked you to a joke post in general chat by mistake.

Have you been introduced to his Majesty yet? He's been sleeping since last fall after being locked outside the kingdom of PIF.

stone hinge
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Awwww

brazen echoBOT
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You have 15 grunt points!

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opaque ether
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I am absolutely thrilled to bits the rest of Hoenn is making it in! Poochyena and Mightyena were my two most wanted additions for so long now. Very excited!

coarse karma
#

^ such a happy week

silk cobalt
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hmm.

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can you make
ghost/steel with sableye and aggron

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noo i dont think you can Despair

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aggron/spiritomb can but i think due to reversed type sableye cant Azusob

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I always get Aron and Sableye to help with Norman..

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oh wait yes i can lol nvm

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Unfortunately it's the weaker of the two but the other is dark rock sooo

hushed axle
full bison
#

So now that we're definitely getting Spheal, what do you think will be that one Pokemon line that consistently places high in the popularity polls, but just short of getting voted in once we start doing those again?

brittle crow
#

Ribombee

full bison
#

I'd love if Ribombee got in and we just got a bunch of those "birds with arms" memes for the bird Pokemon getting fused with it

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Ribombee has the perfect proportions for those

jolly osprey
#

when did this get added?

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[been off this acount for a while

brittle crow
scarlet pebble
scarlet pebble
torn crane
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Yooo castform forms as individual poke

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Dope

jolly osprey
torn crane
#

Wait how do we make wind form again?

jolly osprey
#

uh

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i can check

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does it use the hoenn form of change or the newest that will be the thing

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if hoeen form cant newest form of it windy weather plain as that

torn crane
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Ohh it's snow/hail. But it has windy stuff

mint olive
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wondering if there will be custom sandstorm form of castform (though Ik it is unlikely to happen)

jolly osprey
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i mean it says all?

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and they added all forms of the flower bird

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so

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its likely

opaque ether
trail hull
unique flame
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did anyone already fusioned seviper and zangose in an amalgamation of self hate?

hexed agate
#

Kiwi did in the trailer clueless

full bison
#

I'm really sad that the trailer ended up getting flagged as being for kids on YouTube so now nobody can comment on it

silk cobalt
#

is. it because it had pokemon in the title??? that's incredibly dumb

full bison
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Probably that and all the bright colors too. I remember seeing the upload of Terraria's Hallow theme was also flagged as being for kids due to the background composing of more pastel colors

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It's a really dumb system

silk cobalt
#

THAT'S HILARIOUS.

mint olive
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ain't the video for kid flag is up to the uploader's choice?

warm skiff
#

youtube kids is a plague on the site istg

quasi citrus
#

Is there a chat to give some ideas for the Hoenn, like prediction for the gym leaders teams?

daring pulsar
#

Anyone know how many IF pokemon will be i. ifHoenn?

weak trellis
#

63 mons that weren't already present in IF I believe?

full bison
#

The question said "IF Pokemon," so I'm assuming they mean what Pokemon from the base game will be in the sequel. Aside from the fact that the games will be cross compatible and thus be able to use all the Pokemon as the base via transfer, I'll assume the base Pokedex will be similar to the basic Hoenn Pokedex

molten loom
#

Well it might be an option, but YouTube loves to flag videos for kids regardless of uploaders choice

molten loom
#

They refuse to make the actual YouTube kids good so they decided to make the normal YouTube worse

warm skiff
#

ive seen genuine nsfw from youtube kids unprompted and from content farms, it's a fucking mess

tender plank
verbal summit
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If I could dream of new features for IF: Hoenn, they would be:

  1. Whole party gains xp from battles (probably half for non-participating pokémon)
  2. Trainers use variety of fusions, rather than "here's two oddishes and a gloom"
  3. Average trainer battle difficulty increased from "speed bump" to at least "mild"
  4. instead of XvX format, gym trainers and gym leader must be fought consecutively without pokémon center trips between
  5. Just replace EVs with something less obtuse and arcane
  6. Scale up/down a fusion's stats so its BST equals the average of its two halves
gilded eagle
#

now the topic on Norman
Slothking wonder guard evil yes

broken hollow
#

Okay question

what the flip heck is this the channel discussing PIFs sequel?

molten latch
#

Spheal

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Is here

gleaming blaze
#

why do people even want gen 8 anyway most of the mon designs are garbage

#

probably a hot take

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they went downhill after black and white

full bison
#

There's plenty of winners in the Galar Dex, or at least Pokemon that can make for good spriting opportunity. Polteageist, Toxitricity, the Duraludon line, Dragapult, the Applin line, Barraskewda, etc. There's plenty of Pokemon that absolutely would be great for the game, but ultimately it's Frog's call if he wants to go through the pain to get them in which he currently doesn't.

elfin goblet
#

IM SO HAPPY

bleak summit
#

XD

bleak summit
somber torrent
#

same

elfin goblet
full bison
#

I'm all about more strange designs, so Claydol is the one I'm happiest about

bleak summit
#

I'm even working on a sprite for castform/drifloon

full bison
elfin goblet
elfin goblet
full bison
#

Technically it's Gen 8 and beyond, so we can't expect anything from the eventual Gen 10, but yeah, Up to 7 is the cutoff

elfin goblet
#

kay ill keep that in mind

winged sky
#

is there an estimate release date on the hoenn update?

full bison
#

According to the FAQ, it's an estimated 6+ months before anything playable is in order

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Hey, making games takes time

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Especially as one person

glacial eagle
#

Salut

hidden relic
#

Like it's still mostly Frog but like

trail hull
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And kiwi too

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But it’s mostly frog

rain locust
#

Froggers!

inland jewel
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the main coder is Frog

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from what they keep telling me there are other coders but they do minor codework

inland jewel
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you just have to play easy mode

silk cobalt
#

Genuine question:

I lost my OG save file somewhere. I would like to have stuff transfer over into PIF Hoenn.

Now, obviously, that means I have to make a new save file and figure something out.
I'm curious if you'll have to legitimately beat the game or get to some point in the story before you're allowed to transfer.
And/or if you'll be marked if you use the debug stuff to give you the mons.

hushed axle
silk cobalt
#

yea

prime dust
rain locust
#

whats obtuse about evs

full bison
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Tracking them in any gen prior to 6, remembering what Pokemon gives what EVs, etc

crystal niche
#

I’d honestly like maybe a handful of Pokemon from later gens to fuse with (I know gen 8 and onwards is not allowed but still some later game b4 that have little representation), let your Pokemon follow you (this could be difficult but if nesscary we could limit it to just unfused), and maybe some more easter eggs to hide, I love those

full bison
#

Having only unfused Pokemon follow you around in a game that's all about fusing Pokemon feels incredibly counter intuitive+ it's a very slippery slope into people starting to demand that Fusions start following too

crystal niche
rain locust
verbal summit
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As much as I would appreciate a system that actually facilitates player engagement with EVs, I feel like the problem is that they're there at all. Theoretically, EVs allow the player to tweak a pokémon's stats in favor of speed, attack, durability, etc. This gives the player an extra layer of choices in teambuilding, which is a huge part of what pokémon (and infinite fusion in particular!) is about. But there's only two ways to meaningfully and intentionally interact with this system: vitamins, which are as easy and intuitive to use as they are rare and expensive; and farming rattatas/slowpokes/whatever, which--and this is the point--is Not Good Gameplay! Legends Arceus's solution to this problem is as beautiful as it is simple: just make it all vitamins! Let the player spend resources to modify a pokémon's stats how they like! That's what the system's for isn't it?

rain locust
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i support that

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just dont get rid of evs thatll fuck up showdown

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though tbh do evs really matter ingame

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its not like this is emerald kaizo or something

placid oracle
#

Interestingly, Emerald Kaizo doesn't have EVs.

rain locust
#

thought it did

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take some other hard romhack then

brittle crow
#

When the faq says itll be a new game, so its right to understand it as new base-map (hoenn region) + story, and since thats the case the map limit isnt an issue anymore specifically because the old stuff is getting removed ya?

silk cobalt
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Well, 'removed' in the sense it's a whole new map, yes.

hushed axle
#

It’s essentially a standalone game/project

full bison
#

I do wonder how many map slots the Battle Frontier would take up if it was added. Probably not as much as a whole second region, but I imagine the Pike and Pyramid could take up a decent amount of slots

hard swallow
#

Im shocked that skitty wasnt in the game til now

fair atlas
#

( ono) Considering the pokedex says that Zangoose and Seviper's hatred is embedded into their very DNA, what if a fusion between them actually started tearing the fusion apart on a molecular level?

next flare
clear lichen
# verbal summit If I could dream of new features for IF: Hoenn, they would be: 1. Whole party ga...

For point 5, I disagree. EVs are essential to Competitive, so they need to stay. I do think some sort of system where you can see EVs and maybe even reassign them would be better for those who just do not want to EV train, because I understand why people dislike it (Heck, I dislike it too).
IVs are also a worse offender than EVs in the aspect you are worrying about, and one that I think needs more action taken upon it
Also, for point 6, I think the inequality is what makes Infinite Fusion so interesting, so I don't think this is necessary.

full bison
#

The fusion BST not being the exact average BST of its components definitely feels like more of a nitpick than anything. Besides, going into Infinite Dex and seeing that the Tyranitar/Garchomp fusion I made had a BST that exceeded 600 was one of the greatest "hell yeah" moments I've had in this

prime dust
#

ex: a house that has npcs that have no use in any capacity outside just talking with them

viscid fossil
#

I just realized
Trading between games means you can probably inderectly trade between save files on the same game

verbal juniper
#

I’m guessing one game will just read and edit the save file from another game for local transfers. I’m wondering if the new hoenn mons will show up in randomized runs of original PIF if they’re in the game data anyway?

full bison
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That should be how it works. It's how it works with other randomizers in other Pokemon games

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The big concern I have on that front is how much of a pain it would be to get the Magic Boots if you just straight up can't catch every single Pokemon in one game by itself

prime dust
#

more like pokemon home

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from what the mods said during the reveal

prime dust
#

maybe via debug as well, since they will have dex numbers

prime dust
#

before it becomes more complicated

inland jewel
#

the number after the new dex expansion will be 564 iirc

viscid fossil
zealous parcel
#

You know the best thing about IF Hoenn.

Spheal fusions

prime dust
spark wolf
prime dust
#

and I feel like Spheal/Voltorb would just be a beach ball or something

hexed agate
#

Relicanth's number 😍

full bison
#

I wanna be excited for Relicanth so bad cause I recognize the spriting potential, but it also fills me with dread whenever I see it. Cause of this.

hexed agate
#

Pay up.

#

Everyone must pay up their ludicrous Hoenn promises now heehee

tranquil crown
full bison
#

Cause Spheal

prime dust
#

it is a Goomy/Spheal fusion pic i found via the internet

prime dust
#

pretty much down to Alolamola, Basculin and a few others

full bison
#

The only fish that got added that would have really been a troll is Whiscash

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People wanted Relicanth and the Clamperl line has a lot of value to it spritewise

prime dust
#

that isn't what I meant by joke addition

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just about every time there is a reasonable dex expansion, the last mon on the list is a fish

full bison
#

I mean... That's still the case now

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It's just a fish people generally like this time

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Actually looking at the full length of the mural... The Relicanth/Rayquaza drawing might not be the worst thing to attempt...

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Lotta details though, and that won't translate the best to if someone eventually sprites it. And then there's the posing issue...

limber sinew
spice sage
summer apex
#

true and real, thank you frog

verbal halo
#

I spy a wild Forg

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Very rare to see in the wild

velvet root
hexed agate
#

Whiscash is stinky smh

pale flame
#

Whiscash is my goat.

hexed agate
#

stinky goat

spice sage
pale flame
hexed agate
pale flame
hexed agate
pale flame
#

Nah, I'd win.

hexed agate
velvet root
trail hull
#

Im happy with pif hoenn is that everybody will finally understand my regigigas/regirock fusion

knotty citrus
#

I’m just excited I get to use camperupt finally

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I feel like torterra camerupt would make an awesome island fusion

rain locust
full bison
#

Imagine an on-field encounter with a Whiscash that you straight up can't catch no matter how hard you try, even if you use a Master Ball, as a reference to that one anime episode

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And give it a chance to be shiny to really drive the trollishness further

strong timber
#

omg i can't wait to do another hoenn playthrough, haven't done so since my first ORAS playthrough, now with abominations!

hexed agate
scarlet pebble
#

Hes flabbergasted he made it in

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jolly osprey
autumn radish
#

I'm quite glad Spinda is now coming to the game.
I can't wait to see what fusions he can lead to... And hoping that the fusion with Torterra or Palossand leads to Spinda's bar.

viscid fossil
arctic glacier
#

Tropius can use Dragon Dance, wish there was a good visual for that

scarlet pebble
arctic glacier
#

Boy has great egg moves

gilded palm
#

I am so excited for spheal and walrein fusions

thick geode
#

how are spinda spot patterns gonna work

brittle crow
#

Would not be blamed if it was just 1 pattern

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Especially since the bulk would be custom sprites

viscid fossil
#

I thought spriters were just going to make 4,294,967,296 alts for everything

strong timber
#

Honestly, most of my favorite Hoenn Pokémon are already in the game, but a fusion play through with whatever they cook up for the story in that region is going to be good.

languid oyster
#

I saw that Solrock and Lunatone are both being added, so I kinda wanna make fusions with them and Necrozma, referencing Necrozma's Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings forms respectively. But would those have Necrozma as the head, or the body?

clear lichen
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Since it isn't exactly the body in either Dusk Mane or Dawn Wings

full bison
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I really hope Frog adds a Gentleman NPC named Martin somewhere in the game that has nothing but a Solrock fusion that knows nothing but Cosmic Power

prime dust
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did that npc exist at all in hoenn?

bleak summit
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Gentleman?

viscid fossil
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oh that guy
He's one of the npcs that can join you in swsh max raid battles if you don't have friends
he's completely useless

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He spends half of his time buffing stats in an enviornment where stats are often and suddenly reset

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weak trellis
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right yea

hexed agate
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I hope we get this

weak trellis
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basically gen 8 raids the only thing the AI should ever be doing is attacking (since barriers break regardless of damage) but most of them are designed with tier 2 (out if 5) raids in mind to encourage not using them rofl

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(gen 9 was a lot better about both giving status moves a use and punishing you far less for mediocre AI and making them more useful overall)

full bison
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I just remembered the existence of Mirage Island. Wonder if anything interesting can be done with that

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Maybe whenever Frog decides to add Hoopa, that could be its dedicated area

arctic glacier
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That might be where we get Latios/Latias. Looking forward to what mythical/legendary encounters there could be before post-game. Deoxys!?

strong timber
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Hopefully, but idk Deoxys is too cool to not be post game, Sadge

hollow plume
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The only thing I want from hoenn for pif

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He

bitter comet
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I wonder what the ice type Magikarp guy thinks of this

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Are they theorizing that ice type Magikarp will secretly appear in the next game, as of this very moment?

rancid nymph
strong timber
bleak summit
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I'm looking forward to the castform fusions

full bison
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I really want Archie and Maxie to use Weather teams. If not in the standard mode, then in Remix or Expert. It just makes thematic sense

viscid fossil
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Really hoping for a triple battle where you fight an overleveled ||kyodonquaza|| and it's so out of control that maxie and archie have joined in

full bison
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||Water/Ground/Flying|| is also a really powerful type combination, isn't it?

gilded palm
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Not really any obvious weaknesses yeah

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I think grass is still super effective

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Just only 2x and not 4x

full bison
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Also Flying still hits it for Super Effective, so it's still not the best matchup. The absolute best type against it is, of All things, Ice.

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So you better hope that those several Walrein fusions that will get made are especially badass

gilded palm
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Walrein is already very badass

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It's not hard to make it more badass

full bison
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Now I'm imagining an animation of ||the triple fusion|| taking place in a similar style as the Emerald intro. Just seeing the silhouettes of the three Boxarts ||combining into one|| in the style of one of my favorite Pokemon intro cinematics is an enticing thought

warm rain
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I was reading this chat and I forgot they would make a new story for hoenn I’d not want the same triple fusion idea continued on maybe they could add a separate evil team revolving around dyoxys and making him special as he is the DNA Pokemon making the final boss a new type of fusion of dyoxys and raquaza with an unique mechanic based around dyoxys edit mb it’s deoxys

viscid fossil
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I actually did want to make a fusion game in hoenn at some point
The plot being a third team (basically team sky) going to magma and aqua and saying "Stop fighting, fuse your 2 legendaries and let it decide what to do. They would know better"
Except oops the walmart-brand team sky secretly catches rayquaza and things happen

full bison
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I don't think either Archie or Maxie would want Groudon and Kyogre fused with each other. I always imagined ||Kyodonquaza|| being created by Zinnia in her misguided attempt to stop the two of them.

clear lichen
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Freeze Dry would KO this thing like 60 times over

full bison
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I acknowledge that Ice is amazing offensively, but remember: we're talking about Hoenn here. Where there's a grand total of three Ice type lines, one of which is a cryptically hidden away legendary and another is Glalie

clear lichen
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Does Eevee exist in Hoenn because if so simply evolve into Glaceon frfr

viscid fossil
clear lichen
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Darn

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Surely addition to the wild Pokemon encounter

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Surely

viscid fossil
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don't ask me how anyone gets espeon or umbreon in gen 3 outside of colloseum

clear lichen
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Anyways uhh

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon: 1036-1224 (253.9 - 300%) -- guaranteed OHKO

viscid fossil
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trading resets friendship and there's no time mechanics in frlg so uhhh yeah

clear lichen
#

Freeze Dry ♥️

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0 SpA Glalie Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0+ SpD Groudon: 432-508 (125.2 - 147.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Glalie: 220-261 (73 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Chat I've found the singular use case for Glalie

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We are so back

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I also want to note I was too lazy to swap the Attack to the correct number

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So this is 150 base Attack

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And not 133

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Glalie learns Freeze Dry upon evolution in Gen 7 and at level 42 in ORAS

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Does not learn it in XY apparently but shh

full bison
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You know, it's kinda funny how everyone makes fun of Flint's Fire team in a region with only two Fire types, but I don't see as much of that directed towards Glacia and her two Sealeos and Glalies

clear lichen
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It's probably because Glacia's still using Ice types

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Even if they're dupes

viscid fossil
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her oras team is funnier
2 glalies 2 froslass 1 walrein

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80% of it is snorunt

full bison
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To be fair it Mega evolves, but Walrein is still the better Mon IMO

viscid fossil
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Of the 2 ice type megas, they just wanted the one introduced in oras

clear lichen
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Out of the 18 fully evolved Pokemon that get Freeze Dry, A-Ninetales, Mr Rime, Articuno, Glaceon, Vanilluxe, Cryogonal, Aurorus and Iron Bundle are solidly Special attackers. Kyurem, Glalie and Lapras are mixed attackers through and through, Delibird is kinda a special attacker but not really because 1: It is Delibird and 2: Hustle, Arctozolt and Arctovish can be special but have higher Attack and Eiscue, Mamoswine, G-Darmanitan and Baxcalibur are definitely physical attackers

full bison
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Same with Slowking

clear lichen
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Froslass does not get Freeze Dry while Glalie does

viscid fossil
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give us megalarian slowking please I beg

clear lichen
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Which is a bit... mean spirited

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Please laugh I'm very funny

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But yeah I did not realise the extent to which Gamefreak is being stingy with Freeze Dry distribution

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With how it's fully unusable on 4 of the Pokemon that learn it

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One of the remainder is Delibird

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The other is base Glalie

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And Mega Glalie always goes Physical

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So that's down to 12

ocean vortex
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Hey latios

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Are u a pvper

west sonnet
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First death in a Nuzlocke ass mon

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clear lichen
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Then there's also Mr Rime being Mr Rime

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So call that 11

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But hey the remaining Pokemon have some sort of viability (mostly in lower tiers, keyword on mostly)

clear lichen
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Idk if I'd say I'm great

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And I'm definitely not good in the context of IF

ocean vortex
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Can u rate my mons

clear lichen
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My brain is incapable of comprehending the fusion metagame it is too small

ocean vortex
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If I used them in pvp

viscid fossil
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(in the tcg)

clear lichen
ocean vortex
clear lichen
ocean vortex
viscid fossil
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"Prevent all effects of your opponent's attacks, except damage, done to all of your Pokémon that have Energy attached. (Existing effects are not removed.)"

clear lichen
# ocean vortex

Definitely gets the coolness factor but the natures are inoptimal, Chandelure and Flygon use opposite attacking stats (I guess Flygon can kinda be a Special attacker though), Haxorus and Zapdos use opposite attacking stats and Articuno is Articuno and Kingdra isn't great either in any context apart from Swift Swim

ocean vortex
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Ok

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Tbh im kinda limited

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I can only use dragon types

clear lichen
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Nah don't worry it's a playthrough it's fiiine

ocean vortex
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For my play through

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Tbh

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My garchomp/tyrant broken

ocean vortex
clear lichen
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I feel like if you want to learn comp IF isn't the best place to start

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Mainly because holy shit keeping track of all of these fusions is so difficult (at least for me)

ocean vortex
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Nah

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Not really

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Just combine mons that go to gether

clear lichen
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OK but consider that combining Pokemon means that there's a lot more Pokemon to worry about

latent knoll
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I hope we will get some warrior cats referred fusions since skitty will join the mix

ocean vortex
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Plus u can get rid of reggys slow start and slakings truant

ocean vortex
clear lichen
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There's already 32 Pokemon that are ranked A- and above in Gen 9 OU for example

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So that's 32 massive threats

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Now imagine being able to fuse massive threats together to shore up their weaknesses

ocean vortex
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Incinaroar

clear lichen
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And even fuse them with not as expected Pokemon

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To bring new options to the table

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My ass is not gonna be capable of keeping track of that

ocean vortex
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Mmm true

clear lichen
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At least not in Singles

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At least not that I know of

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But I mean if you can remove every bad trait of Incineroar in a Singles context it does have Intimidate...

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Hmm

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That said Incineroar is definitely quite flawed in Singles

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So that's a lot of flaws to remove

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At the same time, so is Hydreigon, and I've been told it's a great Pokemon in IF competitive

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That said Incineroar would have to fare for its own in a NatDex format since it doesn't exist in IF yet

ocean vortex
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Got it

clear lichen
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AKA more powercreep yippee!

ocean vortex
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Tbh

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I can't wait for galar

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Imagine Ray ray with etunadus

clear lichen
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Well, too bad, because you're waiting for at least 10 years and at most literal eternity

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Ironic considering Eternatus is from Galar

ocean vortex
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But imagine the straight power

clear lichen
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That said Eternatus head fusions would go so hard

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Forget power

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The fucking head sprites for Eternatus would go so hard

ocean vortex
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Imagine it's g max fused with mega ray ray

clear lichen
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I feel like any fusion you make with Eternamax will make it worse

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It's motherfucking Eternamax Eternatus

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It's also unobtainable though so who cares

ocean vortex
latent knoll
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Like how we currently have litten in pif

ocean vortex
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Also

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Is ur infinite dex working

latent knoll
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No clue havent checked it in days

random dragon
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Hear me out, there is lots of water in hoenn, thus, we could get a lot of water type additions, also Sun/moon Pokémon could commonly be added.

clear lichen
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We could, but I doubt that anything apart from Gen 3 mons will be added

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And we have plenty of water types anyways so it's fiiiine

full bison
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I'll worry about what Pokemon can be added only after Frog says more than the 61 we know about are getting added. Until then I'm content.

jolly osprey
full bison
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The FAQ doesn't say anything about any other Pokemon getting added, so I'm just going to assume that's all that's getting added until it's said otherwise

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I'll probably immediately jump back into the Mienshao and UB begging if such a thing was confirmed, but ultimately Frog is probably going to be spending more time on the actual game aspects like the map and story

clear lichen
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Personally, Lunala (and by extension the Cosmog line), UBs, Darmanitan and Gigalith

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For the very complex reasons of

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"I like these Pokemon :)"

full bison
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Gigalith and Darmanitan are both amazing too

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Bronzong is another big one for me. So much design potential

clear lichen
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I think my biggest agenda last time around was the Gigalith agenda

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(Wasn't very big since I very quickly got other things I was perfectly satisfied with early on anyways)

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(And I don't think I'm a very demanding person in general)

full bison
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I was pretty satisfied last wave just with Scrafty and Minior, myself. And I also came around to really appreciate Lurantis

clear lichen
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Like Kommo-O was something I really wanted last time around

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And would you look at that it won the vote

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So yeah that satisfied me

summer apex
clear lichen
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And even after that I got a lot of other mons that were 3s and 2s for me

summer apex
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(they confirmed all Hoenn pokemon, plus specifically Chingling)

clear lichen
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Basically a Hoenn mon

summer apex
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I'd like to pretend that it still counts

clear lichen
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BTW completely stupid that Chimecho got a baby and not an evo

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But I say that for most of the babies anyways

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So that's not new

full bison
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Even in just the Hoenn batch we're getting, I'm pretty satisfied with just Claydol and Manectric. The only inclusions I'm not the biggest fans of are the Pikaclones and the fireflies, and the latter is mostly cause I'm sad Ampharos might be losing Tail Glow

clear lichen
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I'm celebrating that Reshiram doesn't have Tail Glow anymore because from the perspective of a competitive player that didn't play IF Competitive that sounds absolutely fucking ridiculous

full bison
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Reshiram head Fusions are still pretty nutty thanks to Flare Boost

clear lichen
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Pikaclones I can see being upset about but I'm not upset with any addition personally

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Every Pokemon is some people's favourite, no matter how little people there are. As such, I believe every Pokemon that can be added should be added in the long run

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I'm not a fan of any of the Pika clones (Alolan Raichu and Mimikyu do not count, the former is a direct member of the Pikachu line and the latter just doesn't feel right calling a pika clone to me), but I know that they have their fans (especially Pachirusu)

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I'm sure someone out there sees Plusle and Minun the same

full bison
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From a gameplay perspective, I think my favorite addition from the 61 is probably Pelliper of all mons

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Infinite Fusion really made me fall in love with weather teams, and Pelliper makes Rain so much more accessible

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Medicham will also be pretty enjoyable cause funny Pure Power shenanigans

clear lichen
full bison
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I so badly want Frog to give Chimecho Psychic Surge to allow the creation of Terrain based teams. It's not like Chimecho has stats that would make it particularly OP with it, so I really think that could work

brittle crow
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If we're talking about things we want for mons

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give aurourus Aurora veil man

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criminal it cant learn it naturally or tm....

viscid fossil
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(oops ping)

full bison
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If not A. Ninetales, I hope at least Vanilluxe gets in at some point for Snow Warning with at least workable stats

clear lichen
# brittle crow give aurourus Aurora veil man

This is an issue not exclusive to Aurorus. Aurorus does normally learn Aurora Veil, but not in the Gen 7 games, which means it can't learn Aurora Veil. Another Pokemon with this issue is Oricorio, who gained Quiver Dance in Gen 9 but does not have it here. In both cases I do think they should get these moves. I see people make excuses like "Oh they don't want to change the movesets too much" but Tail Glow Reshiram, Spore Whimsicott and Quiver Dance Aggron are absurd. The former 2 are just plain broken, the latter 2 make 0 sense.

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This is one of the few issues I do have with IF

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Since if they can give these moves to other Pokemon, why not redistribute it back to Pokemon who got the moves after Gen 7?

full bison
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Spore should not be a TM, period.

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That move is the actual dumbest thing

clear lichen
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Spore is very clearly based on mushroom spores

full bison
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It's bad distribution to slow Pokemon is the only thing balancing it

clear lichen
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With Whimsicott being based on cotton and thus learning Cotton Spore

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So it doesn't make sense on a logical stance either

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And every mushroom Pokemon already has Spore

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Yeah, yeah, the game is great and I'm thankful that it exists and that it is still in development

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That doesn't mean it is immune to criticism

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This is a point I see brought up often whenever someone complains about the game, and to be fair usually the complaint is not adding Gen 8 or 9 which is completely understandable

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That's not an issue that can be fixed without mammoth amounts of effort

full bison
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If we're on the topic of move distribution, we really need a Liquidation TM or Tutor because physical Water types are in the wringer

clear lichen
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And I think my criticism here is decently constructive. I've laid out what my issue is exactly and the solution is to simply remove the stuff like Spore Whimsicott or at least redistribute moves like QD to Oricorio, who got it after Gen 7

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But I'm getting sidetracked

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Maybe because I dunno what else to say that hasn't already been said

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Hoenn is getting added

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That's very fucking epic

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Massive W

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It'd definitely massively ramp up the activity (especially on-topic activity) in this channel if non Hoenn Pokemon were confirmed to be being added but that is not happening lmao

full bison
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Yeah, this channel's activity will pretty much entirely depend on when Frog decides to show features off that he's working on

viscid fossil
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I'm convinced quiver dance aggron is a bug that Frog refuses to fix
Especially since it's only Aron that gets the move. What kind of Pokémon has a pre-evo tm

full bison
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At this point QD Aggron is a funny meme

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Like nuke ghandi

clear lichen
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There's a tiny part of me that's coping and hoping that Lunala is added

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But a big part telling that tiny part that it is being ridiculous

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That said people thought the april 2nd cake was ridiculous

full bison
#

Being 100 percent honest, I'm surprised that an IF sequel is taking place in Hoenn. My first guess to an IF sequel setting would be Unova

clear lichen
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But here we are now

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TIME TO FUCKING COPE

clear lichen
full bison
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I feel like the whole idea behind fusion is begging for someone exactly like Team Plasma to bust in and moralize over it

clear lichen
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Kyurem is right there

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That's where the DNA splicers came from

full bison
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That too

clear lichen
#

So it'd be a prequel for sure

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DNA splicer origin story fr

full bison
#

Course it could just be my Gen 5 fanboy ass hoping for Unova content that isn't a remake like what happened with BDSP

clear lichen
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The Gen 5 fans are praying the Gen 5 remake is an ORAS and not a BDSP I bet

full bison
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I've seen a fair amount straight up begging for no remake at all to preserve their happy memories of it. That's how bad BDSP burned the fanbase.

clear lichen
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C'mon, t'was a one off

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Surely

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A Legends game centering around the Original Dragon would be sick though

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Legends games just have so many cool concepts that can be done with them

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That's because the concept of the legend games are peak

full bison
#

I would absolutely be begging for a Legends prequel if we weren't getting ZA soon

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Especially considering ZA established that Legends games aren't necessarily prequels.

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Which I'm personally not a fan of

summer apex
#

legends should have been kept prequels

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there's just so much history baked into the regions

clear lichen
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The 2 Legends games so far has revolved around box-art level Pokemon that didn't have their own games

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So stuff like Eternatus and Mewtwo could be up for their turns too

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Not entirely sure what they could do with Mewtwo though

full bison
#

A Mewtwo centered prequel sounds like it would be really dark

clear lichen
#

Darkest Day prequel feels so obvious for Eternatus

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If there was a legends game for it I guarantee you that would be the idea behind it

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It may even make Eternamax playable

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Considering the many levels of crack Legend Plate Arceus is

summer apex
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throw in some side stuff about the galar regis and you're good to go

full bison
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A Legends Deoxys could potentially work too, as a sort-of ancient Episode Delta

silk cobalt
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i find it crazy that legends arceus still has an "ancient hero" and that it's really only like. maybe 200 years in the past

clear lichen
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I was trying to spot a pattern with box art level Pokemon which is why I mentioned Etern and M2

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At the same time though

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2 games isn't enough to spot a pattern

summer apex
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Ogerpon would probably work

full bison
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Ogerpon is basically already a boxart

clear lichen
#

Ogerpon is nowhere near box art level sis has the same BST as Volcarona and Gyarados

full bison
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It's already the mascot of the Teal Mask DLC

clear lichen
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Oh wait mb Gyarados is 540 BST

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When I say box art level I refer to BST

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So like

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The 660 and above range

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Base Zygarde does only have 600 BST in the base form but Complete has like 708 or something

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Arceus had 720

summer apex
#

wait Ogerpon is only 550

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what the fuck

clear lichen
#

Yup

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So is Urshifu

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Which is the other DLC 1 mascot

full bison
#

It's just distributed insanely well

summer apex
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I haven't played an actual pokemon game since X and Y lol

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idk what new mons are good outside of like. Comp

clear lichen
#

As for DLC2, the playable Terapagos form has 600, Stellar has 700 and the unplayable form has 500? 400?

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While Calyrex base is dogshit and not worth mentioning

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But the riders have 680

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And for Calyrex Shadow that may be the most minmaxed 680 I have ever seen in my life

full bison
#

God the existence of Terapagos's unplayable form still just makes me mad

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It's so pointless

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Terapagos was already cute looking, it still would have sold plushies

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And that's basically the only reason that tiny unusable pipsqueak exists

clear lichen
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It's 450 fuck

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AAAAAAA

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Still stronger than Parasect L+Ratio

full bison
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Not much of a high bar to clear tbf

clear lichen
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OK but it's funny that the form meant to be dogshit and is literally unusable is better than actual Pokemon

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Well, funny to me

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To Parasect

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Probably not so funny

summer apex
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parasect remains unbothered

full bison
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Parasect deserves to get a buff of some kind