pif-hoenn-discussion

[tulip zephyr]

I mean the intent behind it.

Like, I'm canadian, and you threw a moose plural at me.

[hot hamlet]

Speaking of, I’m out. I gotta really get in the mindset of this action scene I’m writing.
It takes place on a ship and involves sharks that can fly!

[dusty arrow]

dang

[tulip zephyr]

Flying sharks weirdly reminds me of the OG peter pan.. I read that in 8th grade, and holy shit is it better than any remakes.

[carmine iris]

where mudsdale

[dusty arrow]

i want excadrill added for one reason

i want it fused with heracross so i can have a megalon fusion

[fathom ridge]

I’m surprised this channel hasn’t been closed yet

[rancid nymph]

Don’t jynx it

[next flare]

Wynaut

[proud lion]

The Frog overlords are watching. Maybe they will bless us with another Xmas Mon like last year, maybe not.

[carmine iris]

Ineedmudsdale

[fathom ridge]

Maybe Balacephalon for the new year

[eager jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-muppets-television-tv-shows-kermit-kermit-the-frog-gif-16569223

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/alomomola-heart-fish-fish-out-of-water-pink-fish-sunfish-gif-2069669776498554565

[bronze barn]

what always happens on christmas? Aliens come to the earth and celebrate it, kind of annoying ngl.
but it does mean

POIPOLE LET'S GOOOO

[eager jungle]

fishmas

[bronze barn]

I mean, Poipole is a fish

if you think enough, poipole is fish 🐟

[eager jungle]

technically, all the ultra beast aren't pokémons

because they aren't from "the" pokémon world

[bronze barn]

who in the world would want poipole in pif am I right?

[eager jungle]

probably you and you

[bronze barn]

what, noooo

me? why would you ever think that

[bronze barn]

uhmmm

that's not me

that's my identical twin

yes, real.

[fathom ridge]

yeaaaah poipole sucks || ||

[bronze barn]

TAKE THAT BA- gotta continue the act

uhmm yes

Poipole SUCKS

[eager jungle]

i'll probably do another minior for the next sprite

like either gonna be trevenant/core or meteor/trevenant, or maybe core/volcarona

[dark prism]

yeah who would ever want poipole

or more special attacking poison types

not me heh

I haven't been super annoying about that at all

[carmine iris]

this just came to my mind now but do new pokemon get added once theres enough custom sprites uploaded so that the computer generated-custom made ratio wont be too rough when fresh pokemon get added?

[prime dust]

no

new mons get added as frog feels like it

so far its been in august that he starts doing a poll or something to determine what the community wants, plus some personal and staff extras

ex: this time around the community vote was the Kommo-o line, everything else is extra

[west sonnet]

Very funny considering how few sprites they have

[west sonnet]

We are also already making sprites for these mons

Hell Carbink already has like 50% completion

[prime dust]

the scales are the big problem from what i've gathered

[west sonnet]

Yeah Carbink has like 480/1003 sprites

[west sonnet]

Having done a Kommo and Hakamo

Yes

The mother Fuckers

Words cannot describe the misery of doing the heart scale texture 100x at different angles and lighting

[trail hull]

tho the result is very cool

[west sonnet]

Oh this is the best sprite I've ever done by miles

[prime dust]

look, i wasn't the one who threw in the nonsense of luvdisc

granted i did vote on kommo-o line

so i have some fault there

[west sonnet]

I have to imagine this is the type of sprite that like

people will comment on from running into from randomizer

and will never actually use

The only reason you would is swiftswim and like, I think literally every other PIF swift swim mon would work better

[spiral musk]

I can't wait for the luvdic runs

[molten loom]

Wouldn't be that bad tbh

I've done worse

[hushed axle]

Yknow, when swift swim is working

[molten loom]

I mean it works in the beta

So it should in the actual update

[hexed agate]

I can imagine

[viscid fossil]

I mean technically we've only confirmed sand rush

[full bison]

The other weather abilities should be easy enough to confirm. Unburden too.

[inland jewel]

i've tried to do a curtain of scales before and it was such a pain 😭

[west sonnet]

✨Pearlescent Scales✨

[inland jewel]

ery shiny much wow

i wish i knew what the shiny version of that sprite would be

but im pretty sure the beta does not have luvdisc in yet

[west sonnet]

I can probably simulate it

[hushed axle]

It does not

[west sonnet]

If the head is shiny its hue shifted by 150, if the body its by 75,both is -75

sooo

Lemme just do this rq

[dark prism]

turned out well so it was worth the effort

[west sonnet]

Body, both, head

@inland jewel

[hushed axle]

That purple goes hard af actually

[full bison]

All 3 are pretty solid, though the purple is definitely the winner there

[west sonnet]

This will in turn be the look of any luvdisc head btw

[fathom ridge]

I love that we have shinys, I just assumed we didn’t have shinys in IF but then I learned about the hue shift thing

[outer matrix]

Sometimes you'll come across a good hue shifted shiny every once in a while

[inland jewel]

man that purple one

[dark prism]

purple one is definitely the best

[velvet root]

I test that and if I understood right!

[velvet root]

Normal, Head Shiny, Body Shiny and both shiny (If I did it correctly)

[trail hull]

wow

[velvet root]

But I very likely fucked up

[tacit saddle]

i love head shiny

[velvet root]

Ngl If I did everything correctly all are very nice

[velvet root]

Just another point why Gogoat is the best

[velvet root]

Okay apparantly I did something wrong somehow

[hushed axle]

Those are all pretty nice tho, ngl

[scarlet pebble]

Add buzzwole

[clear lichen]

Are you trying to get me to not vote for Buzzwole or something

It won't work I'm still voting for it

[scarlet pebble]

Reverse psychologu

[prime dust]

once again proving miltank sprites are all cursed

[idle umbra]

cant wait for new update

[prime dust]

you'll have to wait

Dec if we are lucky, Jan/Feb if not

[full bison]

Adding Buzzwole would be fine with me cause it would put UBs on the table. Probably my second least favorite of the Beasts, but all the UBs are still Top 100 Mons IMO

[clear lichen]

Fun fact, my top "5" has 27 Pokemon, 20 of which being in "5th"

"5th" place has 2 UBs, Buzzwole and Kartana, as well as Ultra Necrozma whose status changes in every single different form of Pokemedia

[fathom ridge]

do you have a score for every mon?

[clear lichen]

Well I've ranked them all

So you could try to find out yourself

But there's a lot of ties and swappable placements

So don't try to find out yourself

Have fun! I'm gonna go sleep now lol

I might've miscounted the top 5 actually let me recount first

[fathom ridge]

can i share mine?

[clear lichen]

Nope that's 20

In the top 5

Or 5th place I should say

[clear lichen]

Go ahead

[clear lichen]

That seems weirdly less cluttered

[rancid nymph]

What are these tier lists?

[fathom ridge]

i removed the tiers of gender variotions and other things

[fathom ridge]

ALL mons

[fathom ridge]

Yooo vikavolt S tier

and bisharp A

[fathom ridge]

good list ngl

[clear lichen]

This is mine without the uneeded forms I stuffed at the bottom and it's still a lot longer

Did you not rank megas or dmaxes or something idk

Gmaxes I mean fuck

[fathom ridge]

i love that hate is full of babies

[clear lichen]

Your tierlist looks a lot less unusual than mine

Like I have a metric shitload of Pokemon in S tier

[fathom ridge]

Less hot takes you mean?

[clear lichen]

OK so did you rank none of the forms I mean

I assume you didn't

Since that's the only thing I can think of

[fathom ridge]

ohhh yeah i might redo the list tbh some regionals are awesome

[clear lichen]

So that's what a tierlist with the base 1000+ looks like, huh?

How many fucking forms are there holy shit

[fathom ridge]

thats what 25+ year of pokemon games looks like

[clear lichen]

I included Gmax forms, Megas, Regionals, stuff like Crowned Zacian and Zamazenta, fusions etc

Actually why am I saying this you can just check what forms I didn't include

[fathom ridge]

also your list is veeeery disordered, mine kinda goes by gen in each tier

[clear lichen]

It's not disordered

Every single Pokemon is ordered

[fathom ridge]

wait

really

[clear lichen]

Yup

It took a year and a half

[fathom ridge]

holy moly thats COOL

[clear lichen]

And it was not very useful since a lot of placements are interchangeable

But it's still very cool

And shows the rough area they place anyways

And there isn't many changes I'd make now that are that big

By that big I mean 10+ placements

[fathom ridge]

so volcarone is your third favorite?

[clear lichen]

Kinda?

Latios and Lunala are tied for 1st

So whether Volcarona is 2nd or 3rd is uhh

A bit hard to tell

[fathom ridge]

and your most hated is evil misdreavus

[clear lichen]

Every Pokemon in the 5th place tier is considered tied

[clear lichen]

Yes, Flutter Mane can burn in hell

Though that'd assume it isn't already Satan, the ruler of hell

[fathom ridge]

is it the desing or competitive?

[clear lichen]

Both, and the fact that it seems well liked

While they hate on future paradoxes

[fathom ridge]

i think the desing is cool tbh

[clear lichen]

For a problem that Flutter Mane suffers from even harder

I hate hypocrisy

[fathom ridge]

iron moth is COOL tho

[clear lichen]

Exactly!

Oh BTW if you're wondering why the "5th place" tier is disordered if they're all tied

I was ranking the Pokemon in pokedex order

Except for a few times

[fathom ridge]

thats funny

[clear lichen]

Where I decided

"HEY I'M GONNA RANK THIS GROUP OUT OF ORDER"

[fathom ridge]

ohhh kingambit quite high i see

[grave jolt]

I'm gonna make one of these, and my tiers are gonna use the competitive rankings for names

[clear lichen]

Holy shit

Pachirisu for AG?

[short needle]

I want drudigon in the game purely for the design ascetic and how those fusions will look

[grave jolt]

[fathom ridge]

Whats above AG? Just banned?

[clear lichen]

AG IS "Just banned"

With the exception of Funbro

Funbro is literally satan

Fuck Funbro

[fathom ridge]

yup the home of mega-ryquaza and sword doggie

[clear lichen]

If you're so hated they ban you from the universally banned tier

[fathom ridge]

i have heard of that name

[clear lichen]

You deserve it

[eager jungle]

Where spinda?

[clear lichen]

I dunno

If I had to guess, mid to high C

I'm mostly indifferent towards it

[fathom ridge]

ohhh what is your ranking of all spinda forms?

[clear lichen]

And that's exactly what I named the C tier

[clear lichen]

No

Just no

[fathom ridge]

i really like nº9.321.244

[eager jungle]

You didn't put all the 4 294 967 296?

[fathom ridge]

fake fan smh

[eager jungle]

Then how can you say you ranked every pokemon

[grave jolt]

Ubers BL

[clear lichen]

When it comes to AG there's one Pokemon that I'd say is the most broken out of the most broken, and that's the stupid fucking big brain mf with the dead horse and the ability to ignore type matchups

[eager jungle]

There's nothing above AG

[clear lichen]

Hey, why did they put Calyrex Shadow in a generation where the gimmick is type changing to get new defensive type and move?

[grave jolt]

AG means "anything goes" and it removes every rule except funbro

[fathom ridge]

funbro is above AG

[clear lichen]

And why did they remove Yveltal while doing so?

[fathom ridge]

is AG fun btw?

[eager jungle]

Meh

[eager jungle]

Depends

[clear lichen]

I dunno but I'm betting on no

[fathom ridge]

me too

[clear lichen]

NatDex AG at the very least is definitely not fun

[grave jolt]

Only time you'd even play it is if you wanna mess with Mega Ray

[fathom ridge]

eternatus eternamax is also kinda banned to hackmons right?

[eager jungle]

It's fun to beat some random dude with F. E. A. R. in AG x)

[clear lichen]

NatDex AG is probably the only place you'll ever see someone use Liepard

And you'll hate Liepard for it

[fathom ridge]

assist AAAAAAAA

[grave jolt]

Shedinja is prob pretty good in AG

[clear lichen]

Doesn't exist in a tera generation

[eager jungle]

Not really

[fathom ridge]

what about natdex?

[grave jolt]

[clear lichen]

Did get banned to AG because playing "Guess the Tera Type!" Isn't fun

[grave jolt]

I read bulbasaur isn't in gen 9 😔

[fathom ridge]

who could have guessed

[clear lichen]

Air Balloon set is fraud you get murdered by a singular caltrop that the Qwilfish dropped

Wait does it activate before Air Balloon?

I'm pretty sure Stealth Rocks activate before Air Balloon

Hmm

Really makes you think

[grave jolt]

Don't Rocks hit through balloon anyway?

[clear lichen]

Well in any case Rocks are a whole lot more omnipresent than Spikes anyways

[clear lichen]

Yes but Spikes wouldn't if Air Balloon activated first

But idk if Air Balloon activates first

This is such a dilemma

[fathom ridge]

does air balloon activate? isnt it a passive effect and thats it?

[clear lichen]

Ah well point is, Air Balloon insta loses to a well prepared team

[clear lichen]

It activates when you enter and persists as a passive effect

[fathom ridge]

any cheese loses to a well prepared team

[fathom ridge]

huh weird

[clear lichen]

But some effects like that do lose in terms of priority compared to stuff like hazards

Yknow what's the solution to "guess the tera type!"?

Lunala fr

Let's fucking go Lunala usage

Rare Lunala W

You love to see it

Shedinja Shadow Sneak ain't gonna come even close to OHKOing with Shadow Shield

[fathom ridge]

its tied for first on your list

[clear lichen]

We win these

[clear lichen]

Yes that doesn't mean it's a great Uber

[fathom ridge]

is it allowed in uber UU?

[clear lichen]

Its not Reshiram or anything though

[clear lichen]

Banned

[weak trellis]

yea from what I remember air ballon is generally used to stop a ground weaknesses on some mons that need a single turn that it grants

especially since it announces that you have it on switch-in

[clear lichen]

Picture this: You just banned Necrozma Dawn Wings for being too overwhelming since it can discard its bad type with Tera

[fathom ridge]

i hate when a mon is too strong for a lower tier but not strong enough for the tier it is in

[clear lichen]

A few days later, the superior Necrozma Dawn Wings appeared

[weak trellis]

sent to BorderLine hell

[clear lichen]

Yeaahhhhhhh

[weak trellis]

or BorderLine Ubers like with Deoxys-N

[clear lichen]

Yknow what, we broke UUbers apart with Lunala

We take those

[fathom ridge]

i wonder if kingambit should be banned to UUbers

[clear lichen]

You don't get banned to UUbers

[weak trellis]

also late but to explain funbro a bit: it basically softlocks the battle when set up so the only recourse is for one side to forfeit

[clear lichen]

Ubers acts as an OU banlist

[fathom ridge]

i mean yeah but he wouldnt do shit in UBERS

[weak trellis]

...made up by a group of people for a challenge that banned forfeiting (why yes it was 4chan why do you ask)

[clear lichen]

And UUbers is a hypothetical idea for if we turned Ubers into a seperate system

[fathom ridge]

actually maybe he could do something

[fathom ridge]

isnt it a tier you can play in smogon?

[clear lichen]

Stuff like Skeledirge who is UU in the normal rankings would be Ubers with these ones

And it's very interesting

[clear lichen]

I believe it is, yes

[weak trellis]

yea I think gen 9 is where UUbers took off because so much got banned from OU?

[clear lichen]

It didn't use to be

That was when it was still called UUbers and not Ubers UU

[weak trellis]

I know gen 6 is where ubers became an actual tier because mega rayquaza is a filthy cheater that broke the rules

[fathom ridge]

i wonder why so much stuff got banned

[weak trellis]

singles dead meta lol

[clear lichen]

I love Gen 9's roster until I face them in a battle

[fathom ridge]

NO MEGASTONE MEGA WTF GAME FREAK

[clear lichen]

VGC sounds miserable to imo

I find a lot of people complaining about one or both being unbalanced

[weak trellis]

meanwhile mewtwo may have the same 780 BST but at least it plays by the same rules everyone else is

[weak trellis]

maybe it's that main series pokemon as a concept just doesn't work in a PvP context lol

[fathom ridge]

just shows how big of a deal an item slot is

[clear lichen]

The fact that Mega Rayquaza was seen as less of a threat than Miraidon in NatDex Ubers is

Truly a testament to how batshit crazy Miraidon is

[weak trellis]

and what we've seen so far is basically trying to dress up a cake into a salad in the name of "healthy dining"

[clear lichen]

They both got banned to AG though rip bozos

[weak trellis]

...my anaolgy kinda lost me rofl, but my idea was that gearing pokemon up for something it doesn't feel right for is something that's led to a pretty unsatisfying product since it's just not focusing on what we see as its strengths

[fathom ridge]

miraidon getting banned in the middle of a generations is kinda crazy

[clear lichen]

Nobody liked Miraidon anyways goodbye bozo

(I literally have it at the top of my S tier but shh)

[weak trellis]

(though I don't mind it myself since I just don't touch competitive with a 10 foot pole)

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

[fathom ridge]

koraidon is way cooler

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[fathom ridge]

nuh huh

[unkempt kernel]

**Over designed

[fathom ridge]

nuh huh

[unkempt kernel]

Yuh huh

[clear lichen]

The reason why Miraidon was more broken in NatDex than SV was partially stuff like the metagame being more vulnerable to it

[unkempt kernel]

Stupid head crest in battle form is stupid

[clear lichen]

... And partially the part where it got fucking Z Moves

[fathom ridge]

nuh huh x2

[rancid nymph]

Also it doesn’t use its wheels

[fathom ridge]

and thats awesome

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/off-work-yabba-dabba-doo-gif-13066155

[unkempt kernel]

Ok but is koraidon a real life working bike with a sandwich battery?

[clear lichen]

Oh right channel topic uhhh

[clear lichen]

Miraidon for PIF eyyy lmao

[fathom ridge]

no gen8+

[clear lichen]

I wonder what the metagame is gonna look like

Surely not overrun by Miraidon fusions

[fathom ridge]

soooo many goobers looked above gen 7

[clear lichen]

clueless

[clear lichen]

Ik but like

It was a joke

[fathom ridge]

i know you knew that i was just lamenting

[clear lichen]

Miraidon would be cool bit dear god I do not want to imagine what the Pokeathalon people will be like

I can practically already hear their reaction

Sounds like screams of the damned

[grave jolt]

no mega rayquaza 😔

[clear lichen]

Lunala would be so peak not only is its design peak but we also now can Moongeist Beam the fuck out of Wonder Guard mons

Wait Necrozma already exists

With Photon Geyser

Wait I think they use Ghost/Dark types nvm

[fathom ridge]

lunala heads would be 🔥

[clear lichen]

It's a damn shame that lunala head means Psychic type

[grave jolt]

I think Lunala bodies would rock too

[clear lichen]

GAMEFREAK, BUFF THE PSYCHIC TYPE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

Lunala in general would be very cool

Because it's Lunala

Lunala is peak

[fathom ridge]

time machine to gen 1

[clear lichen]

That's not a buff that's going back to a buggy ass generation

[viscid fossil]

that's just a horse

[clear lichen]

Though I will say, the bug where Psychic was immune to Ghost does not matter

[fathom ridge]

gen 1 OU is truly something

[clear lichen]

Tf was Gengar gonna do, Lick?

[viscid fossil]

why did they make ghost physical
and then give the only ghost type an attack stat of 65

[clear lichen]

Nah, it's just gonna fucking blow up

[fathom ridge]

this reminds me of the wonderful fact that lickitung didnt learn lick in gen 1

[clear lichen]

As usual

[grave jolt]

Psychic type is now immune to Ghost type, Dragon type, and Fairy type because we all know Ghosts, Dragons, and Fairies aren't real

[rancid nymph]

Because it’s Gen 1

[fathom ridge]

perfectly balance

[clear lichen]

"Holy shit"

• Me

[viscid fossil]

psychic is now super effective on dark because psychics can open their mind's eye to see in the dark

[clear lichen]

I love how this directly targets 2 of Dragon's weaknesses

[fathom ridge]

i mean that would hard nerf dark

[clear lichen]

Because of a certain Pokemon tied with Lunala as my favourite

Honestly best Psychic buff would just be to make it SE against Steel

[fathom ridge]

what about making psychic resist and be super effective against fairy?

[clear lichen]

Steel is definitely too strong

[clear lichen]

Psychics don't bend fairies but they sure as hell bend steel

[grave jolt]

Make Steel immune to fairies

[fathom ridge]

i mean smart people know fairies dont exist

[hollow plume]

Why do we still not have the good boi

[clear lichen]

Smarter people will know that they're in a fantasy game

And thus fairies do exist

[hollow plume]

make fairies weak to fire

[clear lichen]

Therefore neutral damage

[hollow plume]

because they live in forests mostly

[fathom ridge]

i think fairy also needs a nerf anyways

[hollow plume]

and are therefore flammable

[clear lichen]

Make Bug SE against Fairy

This is a crippling nerf

[hollow plume]

bug is good too

[clear lichen]

Since it is now weak to U-Turn

[fathom ridge]

make fairy weak to bug, bc uhhhh bug is a very weak type X)

[clear lichen]

And it will be so Fairover

[clear lichen]

Yes, and?

[hollow plume]

most fairies are tiny and get eaten by bugs?

[grave jolt]

Make Steel and fairy mutually resist /j

[fathom ridge]

and it would be awesome

[hollow plume]

tbf steel is the closest thing to iron, which is a traditional fairy weakness

ooh what if fairy weak to fairy

[clear lichen]

Heck, for the fun of it, implement the Psychic and Bug buffs at the same time

[hollow plume]

like with ghost or dragon

[fathom ridge]

screw thematic logic, grass resist electric

[clear lichen]

Why isn't Electric SE against Steel

[hollow plume]

azul, do you think grass conducts electricity?

[clear lichen]

If Electric is SE against water since water conducts electricity

[grave jolt]

Remove Steel SE against Rock

[clear lichen]

Nah, embrace the glass cannon nature of the type and remove the Steel resisting Rock instead

And actually start making more offensive mons, and more actual fucking accurate and strong Rock STABs

[fathom ridge]

no but neither do rocks, or fire, or ghosts

[clear lichen]

Reject defensive presence, return to glass cannon

[grave jolt]

do both of them, rock is super offensive and steel is super defensive

[hollow plume]

pachi's got a good idea

[fathom ridge]

ice type

[clear lichen]

Gamefreak really did just make the same mistake twice

[grave jolt]

Ice Cannon

[hollow plume]

y'know what else is a good idea though? Mighters

[clear lichen]

What da dog doin?

[fathom ridge]

the hyenas didnt catch the PIF bus this year

[clear lichen]

Yes it's a hyena

[hollow plume]

look at this boi

[outer matrix]

why mightyeana? what does it bring to the table

[hollow plume]

an adorable hyena

[grave jolt]

doggo

[hollow plume]

and the only hyena pokemon

[fathom ridge]

i wish we got vikavolt

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

[clear lichen]

Mightyena is like some dog/hyena hybrid judging by Poochyena's name

I mean assuming it doesn't just reject dog and return to hyena

[hollow plume]

the fact is if you're determined enough you an bring any mon to the elite 4, i've seen plusle, ive seen illumise, ive seen bidoof

its more about style

[proud lion]

If the next movie night was Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, how would you feel?

[hollow plume]

and look at the hyenadog

i never forgave lucario for replacing mewtwo in brawl

he can eat woodchips

[grave jolt]

I'd assume it'd reject Hyena and return to dog, knowing the internet

[fathom ridge]

I dont really care about movie nights if im being honest

[hollow plume]

could go either way

[clear lichen]

Idk, the dog in its name is gone and the hyena isn't

[hollow plume]

imagine mightyena slakoth, becoming a gnoll, or the gnoll god

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/lillipup-pokemon-happy-jumping-nintendo-gif-25320438

Get lilpup isnce we need more gen 5 rep

[clear lichen]

Hey, what's the reasoning for Stoutland having Sand Rush?

Can some intellectual explain to me

[fathom ridge]

dogs play on sand (?)

[hollow plume]

lillipup line is just another bland dog though

we already have rockruff

[clear lichen]

OK but hear me out

[fathom ridge]

idk game freak didnt take their meds that day

[clear lichen]

Oh wait Lycanroc has Sand Rush

Well, this one's a normal type hell yeah

[fathom ridge]

but its very cute

[grave jolt]

the constituant names are lil/pup

[clear lichen]

From C tier type to C tier type

[hollow plume]

but we already have a bland dog mon

[clear lichen]

Let's fucking goooo

[hollow plume]

we could have this

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/2/29/4e_yeenoghu.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081014074253

[fathom ridge]

we do already have lil tho

[hollow plume]

imagine this

or one of these guys

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/e/e7/Gnoll2e.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210131171543

[clear lichen]

Mightyena would be cool

[hollow plume]

and these are just dnd hyenas

[clear lichen]

That said a lot of Pokemon would be cool

I like Pokemon

[outer matrix]

Gen 5 needs more reps next time

[clear lichen]

Pokemon is fun

[fathom ridge]

what about gigalith?

[grave jolt]

just change lileep to lile 😔

[outer matrix]

Definitely

[clear lichen]

(Not the UU player)

[hollow plume]

what if mightyena/mightyena makes a whole group of them, like the lion king ones

[clear lichen]

(No seriously there was player named Pokemon is fun and I'm pretty sure they got banned for sexual harassment, they were a high tier UU player :/)

(Pokemon fan moment)

(Am I gonna randomly shapeshift into a horrible person one day?)

Oops I killed chat

[outer matrix]

Vanillite-line would be nice to have, even if it's just ice mimicking ice cream

[clear lichen]

Vanillite would be cool, no pun intended

[grave jolt]

Vanillite would be cool, pun intended

[clear lichen]

You already know people are gonna ignore the fact that it is literally ice to make the most delicious fusions you've ever seen

Heck some people already have

[hollow plume]

i mean i guess so, slurpuff got added after all for the same reason

but i'm 1OOOOOO% on team mighters first and foremost

[clear lichen]

Slurpuff could hurt Vanilluxe's chances ngl

[grave jolt]

would be fun for them to still be ice colored though

[clear lichen]

That's what I feel like how people here would think

But maybe I'm being too pessimistic

[grave jolt]

I'm not a fan of Vanillite, but we've got Garbodor so why not at this point?

[inland jewel]

the point being Garbodor was literaly a Frogman inclusion mon

[clear lichen]

The disrespect holy shit

[proud lion]

But the Pokememes and best moments tho

[inland jewel]

like "Hey guys, I love garbodor so ima add him for me

[clear lichen]

I dont think it's sensible to complain about what gets added

[grave jolt]

I forgot Garbodor was a frog pick tbh

[hollow plume]

i'm honestly not a fan of vanillite either, i feel they could have done more with the idea, maybe have its final form be like a sundae rather than just more ice cream

[proud lion]

Garbodor has fusion potential

[clear lichen]

After all, if frogman wanted, he could just not add anything at all, forever

[inland jewel]

oh yeah i loved my garboder fusion that i made

[proud lion]

[outer matrix]

Shelmet itself giving us knight-themed fusions would work really well

[clear lichen]

That day was so chaotic it was amazing

[grave jolt]

I just don't like Garbodor and do not see myself ever using the trubbish line ever, so it's basically an empty slot

[proud lion]

I was more disappointed that it disrupted the movie, not the Mon itself

[clear lichen]

I should actually not tell people to not be too mad about whatever is added

So that more chaos happens

Because that was absolutely hilarious

[proud lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543958354377179176/1147746902599802961/435.115.png?ex=6738c559&is=673773d9&hm=742b7175c19ec0f68d6a3534ba3aa1d918deebebe9bb3458e35f501fb717dee4&

[clear lichen]

Wow I should've slept like 10 hours ago but here I am

[inland jewel]

man i wish i could sleep for 10 hours

[clear lichen]

I haven't slept for 10 hours yet

[outer matrix]

you need to go to bed if that's the case

[clear lichen]

I have slept for 12 hours once

[grave jolt]

Only pokemon that could really upset me are the UBs, but Garbodor is a hell of a pick that I'd forgot existed until the day it was added.

[clear lichen]

But weirdly idk if I've ever slept for exactly 10 hours

Well not exactly obviously

[proud lion]

“I vote to Impeach the sun.” -James, Master of Illusions

[clear lichen]

Like 9.5 hours to 10.5 hours I'd say

[clear lichen]

Probably

[hollow plume]

so question, while people are here, would this be a good fusion inspiration for meloetta giratina or am i wasting my time asking?

[grave jolt]

Breaking News: Solrock and Solgaleo confirmed NOT getting into Pokemon IF after corruption charges from the International Pokemon League

[hollow plume]

this one

[proud lion]

Specifically after James from Team Rocket was voted for president

[clear lichen]

The only Pokemon that could upset me is Flutter Mane, because out of all Gen 8 or 9 mons they could add out of nowhere, why that??? And there's also a good chance its a one time troll and no other Gen 8 or 9 mons are added

And also because I HATE FLUTTER MANE I HATE FLUTTER MANE I-

[outer matrix]

Is that a glitch-mon reference

[hollow plume]

it references she

but i think it'd be SO good as meloetta/giratina

[grave jolt]

for the month of April, Champion Blue is replaced by Team Rocket James

[inland jewel]

I'm already upset due to diancie being added

but at the very least i can't be upset again

spheal gang shows up 😭

[clear lichen]

That specific glitchmon's Red and Blue counterpart has 916 BST if you count the special stat twice

[hollow plume]

im upset every time there is no mighter

[clear lichen]

Just a funny little fact I have

[outer matrix]

What's the name of this glitch mon?

[hollow plume]

that's so cool

its literally called "she" but with the symbol

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-christmas-gif-8807572234427043798

[clear lichen]

It's like 3rd or 4th place overall as C1

Or 2nd I forgor

(C1 being the name of the RB counterpart, since female sign is Yellow only)

[hollow plume]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/♀_.

[inland jewel]

Please i hope they get added last

[clear lichen]

Eternamax Eternatus sitting here and just going "denied" to even the most broken of piles of fucked up code

[proud lion]

Even after the elemental monkeys

[clear lichen]

Based tbh

[inland jewel]

yeah i like the monkeys

so many peopel hate them its great

gotta root for the little guy

[clear lichen]

Elemental monkeys would not be quite the world's greatest troll

But it'd be pretty darn close

So I'm all for it

[hollow plume]

the elemental monkeys are the most forgettable mons

i literally forgot them until you mentioned them and then its like "oh yeah brocolli head and co"

[outer matrix]

so meloetta because of this part?

[inland jewel]

The contrarian belief of loving the hated guy and hating the loved one

[clear lichen]

I want to note female sign does have 710 BST and is good in its own right, but like, 916 BST normal type with 226 HP, Normal STAB, recovery and Swords Dance

[hollow plume]

yep

[clear lichen]

Idk why I felt like I needed to state it had normal STAB

Idk why I saw 226

It's 232

Yup

I need sleep

[hollow plume]

i just think it'd be the coolest thing

[clear lichen]

Also I misremembered it isn't the one with SD and recovery

I think that was one of the Yellow ones

[proud lion]

Patrat?

[hollow plume]

patrat i remember because its voice in pixelmon is the stuff of nightmares

[clear lichen]

Still has STAB Body Slam and Hyper Beam off of 147 Attack and 136 Speed, with 232 HP, 145 Defence and 128 Special

Glitchmons are truly something

[hollow plume]

she is indeed the one with swords dance and recovery? i don't know what mon you're looking at?

[clear lichen]

Garbage data that shouldn't exist

[clear lichen]

I was referring to C1

Female sign's RB counterpart

I think there's another high BST mon from Yellow that has SD and recovery

And not as in 710 BST high

[hollow plume]

oh, yeah i dunno about them, i was reading off she

[clear lichen]

As in 900+ BST high

[proud lion]

Maractus is apparently forgotten?

[clear lichen]

It was forgotten

[hollow plume]

but yeah, junk data that just randomly piled together to become an eldrich being

[clear lichen]

But then people remembered it for being forgotten

So now it isn't forgotten

Funny how that works

[hollow plume]

maractus is eh, i see it all the time in my desert spawn so

[clear lichen]

It's like people hating on popular Pokemon because they're popular

Making them not quite that popular

[hollow plume]

tbf i don't hate on popular mons because they're popular

i hate on them because i hold grudges forever

and mewtwo should have been in brawl

[clear lichen]

What did Zard do to your family

[hollow plume]

i don't hate zard actually, his gigantimax was really cool

[clear lichen]

Oh ok

I dont like Zard's gmax

[proud lion]

“Charizard killed my grandma, okay?”

[clear lichen]

The wings feel disproportionately small to me

Idk

Zard's wings were already a bit disproportionate

And small

Gmax Zard's felt even more so

But I may be tripping

[hollow plume]

they kinda do, i think they were going for some perspective thing since the entire upverbody seems to be small for it

but i liked the concept, and honestly i think a lot of gmax mons are cooler than the mega ones

[clear lichen]

Then why they'd zoom out to see them properly

[hollow plume]

no idea honestly

[outer matrix]

Gigantamax is meant to feel off I think, with meowth and orbeetle as examples

[hollow plume]

i honestly really like the whole gigantamax thing, personally

[clear lichen]

My highest gimmick form (megas, gmax, Primals, Ultra Necrozma etc) is a tie between Ultra Necrozma and technically Emax Eternatus

But should I really count Emax

It's not even obtainable

[hollow plume]

its not like megas, where it feels like it should have just been a normal evolution for 75% of them

[clear lichen]

Ultra Necrozma literally fits under regional gimmick form

It's a form obtained from z crystals lol

[outer matrix]

It's present in a move animation in gen 8, which is not usable in Gen 9

[clear lichen]

That's funny

[outer matrix]

I mean like the signature move that has eternamax isn't allowed to be used in Gen 9

[hollow plume]

a lot of stuff isn't allowed in gen 9

[clear lichen]

I dont think anyone seriously used Eternabeam anyways for anything other than to see Eternamax

Mf Hyper Beam clone

[outer matrix]

Which is super effective against dynamaxed pokemon*
*which isn't in Gen 9

[sweet spoke]

you are, these shits are massive

well
kinda?

[hollow plume]

again i think its the pov of the artwork making it look funny

[sweet spoke]

probably

granted

I kinda get it

gmax charizard is just zard but fat

the fire wings are roughly the same size as regular wings

[hollow plume]

can i say how much i adore gmax gengar? he's just so

https://tenor.com/view/gigantamax-gengar-gengar-gengar-pokemon-gif-25006156

mouth

[sweet spoke]

they also reused his shiny mega colours

it's beautiful

[hollow plume]

reminds me of this guy from SMT https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/d/da/SolNiger_SMT3.gif

[tacit saddle]

BIG BOSS

[full bison]

Imagine we get access to Gen 8 Mons and Frog has spriters make Eternamax sprites for the sole purpose of being used for the Eternabeam animation

[velvet root]

This is definetly not a hidden message
Only Goats
Goat is short for Greatest of all time
Goats can walk extremly steep surfaces
They are one of the longest companions from Humans
Theyr young are called Kids too
They kinda look like Bikes
They like Grassy areas
||Pls add Gogoat line qwq||

||It could have been the perfect update if Gogoat got in too... qwq||

[hushed axle]

I do remember skiddo being one of the first XY mons I saw and was the first one I decided was gonna be on my team

[velvet root]

Thats so lovely to hear

[tacit saddle]

i remember stelaing my brothers ds and th efirst pokemon i saw was a skiddo or gogoat, i forget which one

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/skiddo-gif-5097636

They’re just so cute

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/mudbray-skitty-pokemon-patrat-mareep-gif-92538689847766067

[next flare]

So many generations in one place

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/random-goat-run-running-quick-gif-5469827

[velvet root]

True

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/furfrou-spin-pokemon-3d-blender-gif-14368860368879760025

[full bison]

The lore of UBs is that they're all relatively common species within their home dimension, but I seriously wonder what the integrity of a food chain with facehugger parasites as a super common species would be.

[next flare]

Maybe they’re eaten by cool sea turtle type things with shells protecting their brains

[west sonnet]

I mean that’s already reality

Google whale lice

[velvet root]

Question
You guys think Spinda just has really small black eyes like Orcas or Pandas and the swirl is just a pattern?

https://tenor.com/view/spinda-dancing-smiling-pokemon-cute-gif-15639987

https://tenor.com/view/sillypanda-gif-7602245326453185388

[cedar path]

the pattern are the dots.

[velvet root]

See what my thought is?

I know that the Dots are a pattern
I basically ask if the Swirl is a pattern too or if it has fucked eyes

[cedar path]

it just has really fucked up eyes lol

the black swirls are indeed it's eyes

[velvet root]

I maybe stupid but im not stupid

[velvet root]

Is there a frame of it blinking or so somewhere?

[cedar path]

no but it has used hypnosis in the anime

which causes the eyes to glow

[velvet root]

I mean there are moves that sometimes just make a pattern glow

[cedar path]

they only do the eyes in the anime

so...

[velvet root]

Yeah idk
I just asked cuz it came to my mind that I have no glue and if the Eyes are swirls its disgusting af

[hidden relic]

The Black swirls are for sure Spinda's eyes.

[cedar path]

^

[velvet root]

Than ew

[cedar path]

its literally why they are so dizzy all the time

their eyesight is literally swirled 24/7 (and also facing the opposite direction from another)

[velvet root]

I dont think thats how it works with long eyes

Sometimes I hate the lore
No source can agree what the Eyes exactly are and even less why it is dizzy all the time

[hushed axle]

9/10 times, anime lore ≠ game lore

[velvet root]

Also can you maybe not write like it is a fact cuz apparantly its not
Not mad or anything but some people could get confused when you write so confidently

[cedar path]

Why else would they be dizzy

if not for them literally having swirls for eyes

their gimmick is being dizzy, hence having teeter dance, own tempo, and tangled feet.

[velvet root]

There are many reasons something could be dizzy
Maybe theyr diet, a gene defect that keeps you not dizzy etc etc

[cedar path]

or you know

they see swirls

[hushed axle]

Horrible ability idea for spinda to be permanently confused

[cedar path]

lmao komala's ability but for confusion instead of sleep

[hushed axle]

Lmaooooo

[velvet root]

Wait could we find out if we look at a Spinda that has the sleep status effect?

[hushed axle]

In theory

[cedar path]

sadly

we'll never know

[velvet root]

Anyone knows how to find the animation?

[cedar path]

because spinda isnt in gen 9

which is where they properly did every pokemon's sleep animation

[velvet root]

Pokémon close theyr eyes when sleeping since gen 5

[cedar path]

yes but we cant easily see from the front

[velvet root]

But someone can put the enemy mon to sleep so we see from the front

[cedar path]

you'd need to find an enemy trainer that has a spinda

[velvet root]

Just go to a wild Spinda

[cedar path]

sounds like something youre capable of doing then

[velvet root]

I sadly cant cuz my 3ds is broken so I cant start Omega Ruby

[cedar path]

just emulate it?

or you dont own any switch pokemon game either I assume

[velvet root]

Only Scarlet for Switch

[cedar path]

lol

[velvet root]

But until I downloaded the rom and shit qwq
Its already 4 am

[velvet root]

Not canon but idc now

[dark bone]

In all curiousity. Given that Pokemon in Infinite Fusion have recieved new evolutions in Gen 9, will those be added at any point in time?

I guess they're not gen 7 mons, so adding them would be a lot more work than normal since they have moves that aren't in gen 7 already.

[hushed axle]

There are no plans to add any 8+ mons, including evolutions

[dark bone]

Though, at least there isn't too many new ones.
It's just 6 Pokemon: Kleavor, Ursaluna, Wyrdeer, Dundunsparce, Anhilape, and Kingambit.

[dark bone]

I expected that.

But, I was curious about evolutions, since they're attached to Pokemon in the game, and it feels weird not having them to a certain degree.

[dark bone]

Indiffrent from how every Pokemon in Infinite Fusion has had all their evolved forms, regardless of if they came out in a later gen, while every other mon past gen 2 wasn't guarenteed to be in.

[hushed axle]

Well the issue is that the new abilities/moves are not in the game engine that the game is created in

So it would require frog to manually input them

[dark bone]

Yes, so it would be much more tedious. That's what I guessed.

In all curiosity, would adding the 6 new Gen 9 evolutions be easier than finishing the gen 3 dex?

[west sonnet]

No

every time we added the new moves and abilities manually it shitrocked the game

We could finish the entirety of gen 3-7 in the time it would take to make Cud Chew work

[dark bone]

Ah.

[hushed axle]

Not at all. Gen 1-7 are technically already in the code of the base essentials project

[dark bone]

Alright, jeeze, good to know.

Damn, I guess that makes sense.

[quaint matrix]

It's not that adding Gen 8+ Pokemon aren't viable

It's mostly that the dev time it'll take will take an extremely long time and a lot of coding involved

Since it's all gonna be coded from scratch

[ripe wigeon]

#general message

[quaint matrix]

Yes that supports what I said

A lot of potential code disasters prevent these things to be added in smoothly

[full bison]

There's like 300 Pokemon waiting in the wings anyway, we can live without Gens 8 onward for a while

[quaint matrix]

All the Ultra Beasts are not in

The three Monkeys still not here

Swords of Justice not in yet

[unkempt kernel]

Good, they can stay out until they’re the last mons added

[quaint matrix]

I'm trying to list like

notable Pokemon groups not added in

Oh the Lake Trio also not in yet

Uh

[unkempt kernel]

Pikaclones

[quaint matrix]

We kinda have a few with the Marill line

Just them tho

Uhhhh what else

[unkempt kernel]

Thing is, Marill line aren’t pikaclones

[quaint matrix]

Yeah there's still a lot of Legendaries not in here either

[unkempt kernel]

Pichu is the gen 2 pikaclone

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah the Unova Fossils aren't in yet

[full bison]

Gen 4 as a whole has been getting neglected in these update bundles. Last Gen 4 mons added were Froslass and Cresselia. And Cresselia wasn't even initially planned

[inland jewel]

waiting for durant to be added so i can submit my Froslass/Durant fusion

[full bison]

Meanwhile I'm waiting for Ultra Beasts to get revealed cause I can see myself cranking out UB fusion drawings like crazy when they drop

[hushed axle]

Lake trio, heatran, phione/manaphy, shaymin, justice trio, nature trio, keldeo, Xerneas, Yveltal, zygarde, hoopa, volcanion, tapus, cosmog line, UBs, magearna, marshadow, zeraora, metal line

All the legendaries/mythicals missing (up to gen 7) 43 missing legendary/mythicals/UBs. there’s currently 31 legendary/mythicals in the game rn

So we’re almost at half of the gen 1-7 legendary/mythicals (including UBs)

[ripe wigeon]

lake trio are some of the few Pokémon I’m not a fan of. I enjoy troll fishes way more...

I still don’t get why gf decided to create them

it would’ve been a lot better if they were all just one single Pokémon

[full bison]

The Lake trio are fine in the mainline games, but they're horrible in the context of this game

[cedar path]

id rather lake trio than more troll fishes

[ripe wigeon]

fair, just a matter of preferences

i like most of the troll fishes

[hushed axle]

There is a very specific fish I want

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-whiscash-catfish-water-gif-7562511615421930086

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-whiscash-catfish-water-gif-737667242428251673

I lub himb

[ripe wigeon]

love it

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[shadow magnet]

Manaphy and Phione would be a blast

[gray stream]

idk if “a blast” is a great term for that, but it would certainly be something

way too similar, but they’d be really silly because of that imo

looking at them again, there are a few differences so it would be fine I think

[dark prism]

I still want dragalge

[acoustic compass]

Heatmor for potential Fire Lash distribution

Also cubchoo line for Icicle crash

[carmine iris]

i think ultra beasts would be a good addition

they have unique body types

could make for some neat fusions

[unique flame]

and beast boost becomes extre versatile in fusions

[thorn crystal]

Yeah, it will be a great addition for the style and the strat of fusions

[full bison]

Celesteela alone adds so many gameplay options

[full bison]

Manaphy would be fun, Phione would just be there

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/belch-gif-26675594

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say bruxish adds some legit great stuff (physical psychic type!) but I'm still in the camp of alomomola > luvdisc

[proud lion]

Regenerator

[weak trellis]

actually between good physical stats on a psychic, psychic fangs, dazzling (for expert mostly) and strong jaw bruxish adds a lot lol

[viscid fossil]

Remix koga has literally no idea what to do against dazzling

[weak trellis]

right I forget isn't RKoga sucker punch spam or somethin?

[viscid fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412243367439761408/1300281072734437478/2024-10-27_22-11-53.mp4?ex=6739f9dd&is=6738a85d&hm=39594f404334bc58c73228dd1d0da6ef3b0a414bee4e8bb85efa022ce7adf5ba&

[full bison]

Reminds me of using Zoroark against Ultra Necrozma, or that time I swept Mela with Vivillon cause she kept trying to use Fire moves while I spammed Powder.

[deft obsidian]

Wow someone actually using bruxish

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-that-thats-is-illegal-gif-18393263

[pliant bridge]

is there a cool sceptile gallade fusion? They are my two fav pokemon of all time

[tacit saddle]

sadly, gallade/sceptile doesnt seem to have any sprites. however, the reverse does

i quite like that third one

[pliant bridge]

thats a shame. A white sceptile with chainsaw psychic arms would have been amazing.

[tacit saddle]

if you wanna see a cool lookin sceptile, look at steelix

[wide merlin]

or chandelure ?

[acoustic compass]

I think you just gave me my next Concept scetch idea.

[tacit saddle]

GOOD.

[humble lance]

might try spriting gallade sceptile and sceptile gallade

[tacit saddle]

do ittt

your sprites always bang

[west sonnet]

Nefariously good sprites for a Paint User

[tacit saddle]

PAINT?

[west sonnet]

Luxio and Djoing yeah

Makes their work even more impressive imo

[tacit saddle]

holy fuck

[trail hull]

I did not know pixel art had an hard mode

[gray vine]

i use paint for it too, not that i did alot of pixel stuff

[velvet root]

SO guys
Tell me a Pokemon you personally dont want in PIF!
NON IF

[ember bear]

miltank

[velvet root]

Non if

[ember bear]

shrug

[rancid nymph]

Magearna

[ember bear]

i don't really feel like hating anything tbh

at least for now

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-coward-gif-10336863

[velvet root]

pls do
You dont have to hate it

[ember bear]

hmmm

[hushed axle]

Wannabe luvdisc (alomomola)

I hate that that stupid thing isn’t a luvdisc Evo

[rancid nymph]

At least it isn’t as useless in battle

[opaque flare]

manaphy also isnt phiones evo ... but manaphy can breed phione

[ember bear]

oh yeah breeding fusions wouldn't work for manaphy

[hushed axle]

But phione is cute so it gets a pass

[ember bear]

ig it would have to be shedinja duped

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/phione-pokemon-tongue-pokemon-phione-gif-8924010305934246823

[velvet root]

So anyone else knows one?

[hushed axle]

Don’t disrespect me or my son ever again

[fathom ridge]

Zeraora I hate that cat

[full bison]

Watchog

[rancid nymph]

Ah yes, one of the “why does this even exist” mythicals

[opaque flare]

gardevoir
lopunny

[fathom ridge]

already in

[opaque flare]

i know :/

[full bison]

Apparently Zeraora is based off of some Hawaiian lightning deity, so it has some reason to exist. Unlike Zarwhode.

And it at least has an ok design unlike the life preserver hose thing that is Volcanion

[fathom ridge]

i think spriters are somewhat responsible, there arent any naughty sprites and also not too many fer. alts

i would say, pls dont add salazle

[molten loom]

That's because the ones that make them bad get taken out back by the mods

[opaque flare]

naughty sprites wont even be getting added for obvious reasons

[velvet root]

Soooo do you still have a actual answer?

[full bison]

I'm down for Salazzle getting added, same with Tsareena. We'll just have to avoid the sprite channel for a week or 2 if they're announced lol

[fathom ridge]

i mean dont see any in spritework but i guess any of those get deleted before anyone can see

[fathom ridge]

salazzle heads would be cool ill give you that

[opaque flare]

hmm, since all pokemon that shouldnt exist are already added, and salazzle was mentioned before, not really since gen8+ wont be added

[full bison]

Tsareena's personality would be fun to work with

[velvet root]

So I take it as Salazzle

[deft obsidian]

Pikachu

[rancid nymph]

Remember kids, the feminine Pokémon aren’t the ones breaking rule 2, the fans are

[opaque flare]

tho, i like salazzle ... fire/poison type and a fast sweeper actually

[ember bear]

well now that you mentioned it

[fathom ridge]

man i would really hate if gogoat got added|| ||

[ember bear]

i wouldn't be sad about the pikaclones not getting in

[velvet root]

non if pls

[fathom ridge]

idk i dont like them tbh

[opaque flare]

i agree with gauss cannon, we have pikachu and pichu ... we dont need the gen3-7 pikaclones

[rancid nymph]

Probably should’ve specified that in your original message

[velvet root]

ik

[full bison]

Another Pokemon I'd like to see avoided is Volbeat. Cause I'd like Ampharos to keep Tail Glow for a while longer, and if it gets taken away from it, I'd prefer it to be from the addition of Xurkitree or Manaphy instead of the awful firefly

[deft obsidian]

Pluse minun

[fathom ridge]

volbeat heads would be cool tho!

[rancid nymph]

So you’re fine with Illumise getting in then

[fathom ridge]

i dont think there is any mon that would make me actively mad

also luvdisc showed that all mons have at least some sprite potential

[velvet root]

So I heard enough

[full bison]

Honestly, Pikaclones in general. Aside from Pachi, they get a pass due to having a different enough design from the basic template

[velvet root]

See you guys later

[fathom ridge]

it was a trap

[ember bear]

frog moments from taking off his zerocipher shaped mask:

[velvet root]

Imagine I collected information for someone 👀

[opaque flare]

frog taking a troll year and adds all pokemon that no one likes 😄

[fathom ridge]

well i did say i hate gogoat as a joke sooooo

[velvet root]

Hes noted too yes

[fathom ridge]

that would be actually evil ngl

[hushed axle]

I think zeraora would’ve been better had GF/PCi/Nintendo had actually done something with it rather than just give it out for a single event or two.

[full bison]

At least nobody brought up that one Pokemon line that nobody wants

[velvet root]

Which one?

[full bison]

No naming it

[opaque flare]

but what if? what if frog adds the pokemon with the LOWEST score next year? 😄

[hushed axle]

Because design wise, it’s a great mythical. They just didn’t give it any type of reasoning to exist

[ember bear]

90% of the mythicals:

[velvet root]

Is it bad for me if I say I actually dont think these are bad for pif?

[hushed axle]

100% agree. We don’t get the events like mew/celebi/shaymin/manaphy/etc anymore. They’re just given for no reason

[full bison]

Watchog would absolutely be bad for IF IMO

[opaque flare]

well, it was either luvdisc or alomomola to be added, as an extra troll water pokemon

[fathom ridge]

not really but you only hate the shadow baby

[rancid nymph]

Not 90%, just Gen 6 and onward

[velvet root]

True

[velvet root]

y

[full bison]

The most interesting thing Watchog would add is a Timon reference. That's it.

[rancid nymph]

What’s the shadow baby?

[fathom ridge]

im still in shok from the luvdisc incident, it was such a fun conspiracy and troll

[fathom ridge]

marshadow

[opaque flare]

watchog wont be added, we already have watchogs in this server 😄

[fathom ridge]

then we also wont get zigzagoon!

[velvet root]

I say that makes it more likely

[fathom ridge]

we do have klefki

[opaque flare]

klefki was added before the role existed

same with unown

[full bison]

Zigzagoon would be a neat addition. I consider it an underrated Mon in the cuteness department. Also Raticate/Furret/Linoone triple would be fun

[unkempt kernel]

Do they all evo at the same lvl?

[full bison]

Hasn't stopped the starters from getting triple fusions if they don't

[hushed axle]

Doesn’t really matter if they do or not tbh

The route 1 Mon I want tho is Starly. Gimme my Emo birb

[unkempt kernel]

Ah true cus some of the grass starters are 32, and Feraligatr is 30 for some reason

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/staraptor-bird-pokemon-pokémon-staraptor-gif-27024794

[unkempt kernel]

Gets beaten by the squirrel tho

[full bison]

If we get Staraptor I'm absolutely fusing it with Scrafty to make a Josuke reference

Or Pangoro if we get that around the same time

[velvet root]

When I was Edgy back than I liked it so much qwq

[hushed axle]

It was never a phase, I love my Emo boi

[unkempt kernel]

Pangoro is much more Jotaro like

[rancid nymph]

Staraptor is a good boy

[full bison]

Aside from looking cool, I like evaluating Pokemon from a gameplay perspective too, and Staraptor absolutely clears that bar thanks to Reckless

That would be so fun to work with

[rancid nymph]

Intimidate is also a good ability

[hushed axle]

Not to mention intimidate with 120 Attack stat

[old bluff]

are new pokemon allready in game?

[full bison]

Some of them are in the beta

[hushed axle]

And an okay 70 defense (which is made better with intimidate)

[trail hull]

I don't want pokemon between the dex number of 1 to 501

[velvet root]

So you like Watchog?

So who is next...

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-cipher-gravity-falls-dipper-deal-gif-10850892755529568994

[gray stream]

anyone wanna sprite ultra beasts with me pheromosa base is wip

[trail hull]

oh that wormhole is very cool

[gray stream]

ty decided it would be good for an ultra beast dugtrio fusion

just checked and someone actually made a necrozma dugtrio with one

[next flare]

This has been a good spriting weekend for me
Maybe I’ll finish one of my Xurkitree bodies

[gray stream]

nice! xurkitree bodies sound like quite a pain to me, so ill probably mainly just try to do heads

ill do a few bodies probably though

[next flare]

They are pain

-# In the spriting part. I love drawing the concepts

[tender plank]

i realise i haven't spoken in this server for almost a week now
so, how's it going

[velvet root]

Sooo lets see whos next

[unkempt kernel]

Pachirisu

[velvet root]

Sadly for you you like it

[unkempt kernel]

Fuck my reverse psychology didn’t work

[velvet root]

Or you tell me now how much you hate it

[unkempt kernel]

[velvet root]

And I keep that screenshot forever and use it against you

[unkempt kernel]

One of the monkeys then

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if we will have a new mon for Christmas or New Year’s Eve

[unkempt kernel]

Delibird 2.0

Probs Sawsbuck tho

[velvet root]

Did you see what I made for you 🥰

[velvet root]

Pls no

[velvet root]

You mean Kramnicid?

[fathom ridge]

Yes I saw the cat

Good cat ngl

[unkempt kernel]

Sawsbuck is cool tho

[fathom ridge]

But I still hate the base

[unkempt kernel]

And it’s like the only festive mon left that I can think of since the other 2 are gen 2 and thus, alr in pif

[velvet root]

I wouldnt call it festive at all

[fathom ridge]

Who is that?

[velvet root]

I can see Abomasnow or so for Christmas

[velvet root]

Kramnicid

[unkempt kernel]

It’s a deer tho

[fathom ridge]

Elaborate :0

[unkempt kernel]

And we can’t have Stantler’s evo

[velvet root]

What does a Deer have to do with Christmas?

[unkempt kernel]

Pulls Santa’s sleigh

[velvet root]

a Reindeer yes but a normal deer?

[unkempt kernel]

Well we have the reindeer mon alr

So like

[velvet root]

Dusk stone Delibird evo from a region that isnt available to public YET

[velvet root]

Than why not add other Christmas stuff

[fathom ridge]

WAIT THAT WAS FROM THE LEAK

[unkempt kernel]

To be fair Sawsbuck was the first thing that came to mind for me

[velvet root]

Nah not from the leak XD

[velvet root]

Ofc dw
But Aboma or Cryogonal fit Christmas more imo

[fathom ridge]

Ah ok, a fan game then?

[velvet root]

Yes

one I work on with some others

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-pokemon-refresh-gif-24549445

Crimbo tree

[fathom ridge]

Thats coooooool :0

[velvet root]

Hes a possibility too

[velvet root]

I even made a Sprite for a Normal type in the region
Say hello to Tubabwee

[fathom ridge]

I bet for blachephalon

[fathom ridge]

What a goober

[velvet root]

Look it says thank you for your nice reaction (thats its ingame cry)

They are Soundbased

Its evo Scrairee

[fathom ridge]

The cry reminds me of a sound effect but idk what exactly