pif-hoenn-discussion

[ember bear]

hey lunala is pretty

[hollow plume]

at least its a neat design, though i feel they could have done better with its shiny than just flat gold

[clear lichen]

They're talking about Hoopa-U

[marble meadow]

evolving meltan will be an intressting case in if

[ember bear]

eh ik i was just joking a bit

[full bison]

Hoopa base is the first Psychic/Ghost. A lot of people forget about that because Unb*nd threw it out

[clear lichen]

Hoopa-U has high stats and is still garbage, I feel like I could reference a very obscure game making comparisons

[hollow plume]

well imma off for a bit, hope someone picks up my request

[clear lichen]

Well not garbage

Just garbage in comparison

[hollow plume]

remember guys, i love mighters

[ember bear]

well it's just the stat spread being wonky

[clear lichen]

You look at those stats, you don't see a drawback ability, you expect it to be Ubers

But Hoopa-U is too fucking stupid to use those stats properly

Anyways I think it's design's pretty good but it's funnier to laugh at it for being a fraud

Like imagine if a box art legendary was OU... wait a minute

Anyways this somehow stemmed from talking about mythicals that you wouldn't like to be added to IF

[full bison]

What makes me the most upset about Unb*nd's design is the fact that it has arm holes. Like, it just has holes that its floating arms slot into and that just makes it look like a big idiot

[clear lichen]

I'd try to bring that full circle

But I wouldn't mind any mythicals getting into IF

I dont hate any of them

[ember bear]

the ones i like are already in sooo

[clear lichen]

In fact, I like all of them at least a bit

Whoever was worrying about Zarude probably doesn't need to though

[full bison]

I'd be happy seeing Victini and Manaphy being added above all the others, but Magearna and Marshadow would be cool too

[ember bear]

what does zarude even do besides dying to bugs anyway

[full bison]

Even if Gen 8 was a possibility I doubt we would be getting Zarwhode for a while

[clear lichen]

Unironically pretty decent in tiers like UU and RU iirc

[ember bear]

i have never seen anyone use it like

ever

[clear lichen]

Definitely not the best mythical, but far from the worst

It's also funny because it forces Celebi to always be 1 tier below it

[ember bear]

oh it only has leaf guard

[clear lichen]

Zarude being genuinely good while basically not having an ability is respectable

[twin phoenix]

I want Shaymin or Victini as the next mythical.

[full bison]

The big issue with Zarude is that it's just not interesting. Lorewise its dex entries could describe several hundred other Pokemon and battle wise it's just kinda ok

And design wise it's honestly kinda ugly

[clear lichen]

I feel like a lot of legendaries don't feel like truly one of a kind Pokemon

Rare species, maybe

But most don't feel quite "Oh, this is a creature of legend and only one exists"

Tbf I don't hate it

If I did, I'd be a hypocrite

[ember bear]

tbh even the creation dragons aren't one of a kind

[twin phoenix]

Reminds me of the time I watched an anime episode and learned Lugia can have offspring.
That was after watching the movie.

[full bison]

The anime and games do things very different

Anime Kyurem, for example

[clear lichen]

Literally my 2 favourite Pokemon tied for 1st are legendaries that are not one of a kind

[full bison]

In the games it needs the splicers to fuse with Reshiram and Zekrom but in the anime it just... Becomes them

[ember bear]

yeah the cosmog line is a good example

they are basically a species but they are written in a way that makes them interesting

[clear lichen]

Cosmog line is proof that Ultra Space is kinda built different ngl, is our dimension just weak or something?

Cosmog line is like

Not one of a kind

And most legendaries like that are like 600 BST and shit

[full bison]

I like to imagine that Solgaleo and Lunala are the Ultra Spece versions of Pseudos

[clear lichen]

But no, Lunala and Solgaleo just have the same BST as box arts, higher than some like Groudon, Kyogre, Miraidon and Koraidon

Because those 4 got their BSTs nerfed because their abilities are insanely strong

[gray vine]

its not hard to understand, Mythical refers to Mons gained from other ways, while Legends are special mons gained ingame

[clear lichen]

Yeah but why didn't they make it consistent between the 2

[ember bear]

i mean miraidon and koraidon aren't one of a kind either

[clear lichen]

If they're counterparts

Is what I'm saying

[gray vine]

ye that part is weird

i gotchu

[clear lichen]

True, maybe specifically the present of this dimension is just weak as shit

[gray vine]

thought you only meant the naming

[full bison]

I still say that Mythicals are a subset of legendaries because I refuse to accept Arceus not being counted as a Legendary

[clear lichen]

Yeah to me mythicals are just legendaries that originally had stupid fucking distribution

I fucking hate how most mythicals are distributed it's so ass

Thank god they make them more obtainable nowadays

But how does one find SV's Meloetta on their own?

Well, it's possible at least

[ember bear]

surely diancie is gonna be obtainable in za right?

[clear lichen]

No way it won't be

I'm betting all 3 of Diancie, Volcanion and Hoopa will be obtainable in ZA

[gray vine]

you get told about em

[clear lichen]

Just like LA making all the legendaries and mythicals from Sinnoh obtainable in it

[gray vine]

they only show up after Snacksworth tells you where you can find them

[full bison]

Mega Diancie will be fun to use again. Such a fun mixed attacker, and who doesn't love Magic Bounce (aside from people fighting against Magic Bounce)

[marble meadow]

nah its of its double weaknes but fusion can get rid of 4 time weaknes

[clear lichen]

Meloetta isn't a snacksworth Pokemon

[twin phoenix]

What I look forward to most in ZA is AZ's Floette, but no way they're gunna put that in.

[clear lichen]

It's bullshit

Spin around in an extremely specific spot for an extremely specific amount of time, turn on camera, switch to a specific filter and then turn around

That's fun

[gray vine]

luul i misread the article i just found, man i am also becoming a real Pokemon Player, reading becoming hard for me. the article says "It does not need a Snack" and i read that it does lul

[clear lichen]

Oh you need to be spinning in a specific direction btw

[clear lichen]

Like I said though

At least it's obtainable

Massive improvement over Meloetta's obtainability

[full bison]

Basically the only way you're getting Meloetta on your own is if you talk to a very specific NPC somewhere in the Blueberry Academy, pay incredibly close attention to the wind, and remember the whole relic song event from BW to such an extreme degree that you recall the "sepia toned memories" part

[gray vine]

thats cool

[clear lichen]

Nah wtf how the hell am I supposed to know an event that I haven't even done

Why do you think I want this meloetta 💀

[full bison]

And also made enough use of the camera feature that you know about the sepia filter and playable music

[twin phoenix]

I didn't buy the DLC, so no shiny Melo for me.

[full bison]

And also can somehow realize the event is about Melo

[clear lichen]

But yeah, like I said

It's obtainable

That's good enough for me

I'd rather do some weird obscure shit than have to travel to America for a mythical

[full bison]

Same with Manaphy in Legends Arceus IMO

[outer matrix]

It's great that more mythicals are being made obtainable via in-game events

[gray vine]

i liked it alot after playing so i dont regret my buy

[full bison]

I've seen people complain about the event, but at least you don't need to actually buy Dull Diamond and Poor Pearl to obtain it like with Darkrai

[clear lichen]

Once again, better than having to go to an entire ass new country

I'm pretty sure I didn't even know what Pokemon was while any Darkrai event would be being held

I probably was born by then at least

Idk the release dates of DPP, or any events

Because they're already long gone

Simply time travel fr

[full bison]

I mostly remember the events around Gen 4 because of the idiotic decision to never release the Asure Flute because they thought it was too obscure

Like people wouldn't think to take the legend summoning item to the place where the boxart legendaries first appeared

And also they had the Regis a Gen earlier

[clear lichen]

Ngl the only Pokemon I wouldn't want to be added to IF is like, Flutter Mane, who already CAN'T be added

So idk what to talk about

[clear lichen]

Maybe it's because of the Regis that they didn't release it? Idk

Maybe they saw people just being clueless about how to get those big material golem legendaries

And decided "Yeah no"

I can only guess

[dusty arrow]

hi chat

[brittle crow]

he already got in!!!

you know this!!!

[dusty arrow]

its only a reference alt

he isnt truly in yet

[molten loom]

Next time ice type luvdisc

[dusty arrow]

its like sans being a mii gunner

[brittle crow]

502

[glass patio]

no way it got added as an emoji

[glass patio]

peak

[glass patio]

lmao true

[steel meadow]

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-laugh-laughingatgrandma-yougotme-gif-19096209

trololol moment during the reveal

[molten latch]

I guess this is a farewell to this channel

I'm glad that its over, as we have fun and chaotic memories.

I hope for a next time's voting if anything.

[glass patio]

ight, ig next time i won’t give a 3 to minior only

||yes i did do that i needed it ||

in the end that didn’t matter because it didn’t get in through the vote lol

what if that was the reason kommo-o won

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-snap-finger-snap-gif-12502580

[outer matrix]

Here's to hoping that we'll eventually get a early route update since these Pokémon tend to get overshadowed on votings with other popular picks

[deft obsidian]

Like staraptor?

[outer matrix]

Even staraptor

Also mightyeana since that Pokémon was very commonly mentioned here a while ago

[hexed agate]

[brittle crow]

oh no

[hexed agate]

Mightyena mentioned, my distaste has to be mentioned

[brittle crow]

whats wrong with mighty

[gray vine]

the ena part

[hexed agate]

I don't really like the mullet dog

[brittle crow]

what about mini-ena

[hexed agate]

It's lacking in a lot of ways, it has really bland theming

[hexed agate]

The pooch is there ig

No dislike, but I don't like it either

[outer matrix]

Well, what early route Pokémon do you like then if mightyeana isn't your favorite?

[hexed agate]

Glad you asked

Our lord and savior Bidoof is def the greatest

But I like Staraptor and Toucannon

And Swellow

Sadly Toucannon has Trumbeak attached to it

Also Patrat

And Watchog

[outer matrix]

Rank them from worst to best then

[fathom ridge]

The best early route Mon is vikavolt smh

[bitter comet]

There could be an argument for Corvknight being the best early route mon in my opinion, but I am biased and he is unfortunately generation eight

[inland jewel]

the monkeys

(since they are like on route 2 in Kalos)

[fathom ridge]

With how much of a troll frog is, the monkeys are just a matter of time

[fallen loom]

I like Bunnelby

[fathom ridge]

Dirt rabbit is cool

Is roggenrolla early route?

[bitter comet]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that man. I don’t know if he’s early route or not but he’s cool.

[inland jewel]

its after the first gym in Unova

[inland jewel]

he shows up route 1 in Kalos

bunnelby that is

[bitter comet]

Oh, I was talking about the rock man

Not the dirt rabbit

[inland jewel]

well, you go through 3 routes with grass and 2 cities

but before the 2nd gym

[fallen loom]

early route mon I want the most:
Bunnelby
Starly
Pikipek
Zigzagoon (if regional forms are allowed)

[fathom ridge]

My favorite early route Mon is smoliv but alas, it is trapped in gen8+ purgatory

[fallen loom]

9

[inland jewel]

regional is gen 8 so not allowed

[fathom ridge]

I mean gen8+ includes gen 9

[fathom ridge]

But the coolest regionals are in gen 8

[inland jewel]

Frogman has said that ANYTHING in Gen8+ is not allowed

[fallen loom]

true

[bitter comet]

Maybe when we are old and gray and all the other mons have been added in…

Then maybe one day…

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if in like 20 years we will get IF 2

[inland jewel]

we get can IF 2 anytime, people just have to make it

though like 6 groups have attempted and all of them went radio silent

[fallen loom]

when Gen 11 is out we'll get Gen 8 and 9 mon then

[fathom ridge]

If there is an IF 2, I hope it can reuse the fusion library

[inland jewel]

thats.... severely optimistic

[bitter comet]

Frog will “mysteriously” die before then

[inland jewel]

if its not headed by frogman then they can't. they have to go to each artist here and gain perms

[bitter comet]

(Fake his own death to get out of the responsibility)

[fathom ridge]

[fathom ridge]

Ah ok

[bitter comet]

Did you think I was going to murder him or something?

[inland jewel]

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if we could have a public fusion library right now and just have an automated way to ask every spriter that’s active

Is going to be sad when we lose all the fusions made by no longer active users

[inland jewel]

like mammuth's sprites

his go insanely hard

[fathom ridge]

Mammuth is still active tho?

[inland jewel]

is he? i heard he stepped away from this place

[outer matrix]

With future additions, Kanto will eventually become really full of encounters, so just maybe a new region would be needed (unlikely) or take the unused maps and make them into new areas

[fathom ridge]

Definitely is https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1302691038258925669

[fallen loom]

I remember when genned sprites are REALLY bad looking in version 2 of IF, I think mostly based on Gen 4 sprites and head fusions were just the head and body recoloured with nothing else changed

[fallen loom]

or expand Sevii

[inland jewel]

we don't even have room for the last two Johto cities, what makes you think we have room for a 3rd region

from what I've seen of the maps, we really don't have that much map space left

[outer matrix]

In a future IF 2

[fallen loom]

add like 3 more Sevii routes or something

[inland jewel]

at most we could fit like 4 cities from a 3rd region if we wanted to

[unkempt kernel]

Route 1 in Kalos has no grass tho

[bitter comet]

Is it bad that I’m kind of mad at frog for being a tad bit lazy?

[fathom ridge]

Frog is keeping the little map space left for legendary events

[bitter comet]

I feel like it’s bad and I apologize for that

[inland jewel]

the route with grass i consider Route 1

[outer matrix]

The monkeys are encounterable in the early forest area in Kalos

[unkempt kernel]

The one before the forest? Thats route 2 tho

Route 1 is the passage into the town where you get your starter

[inland jewel]

i know tha

[fathom ridge]

The monkeys as a troll Mon is kinda evil, bc it’s 6 slots

[inland jewel]

the discussion was Route 1 mons

[unkempt kernel]

I am aware

[inland jewel]

and bunnelby is a "route 1 mon"

even though the name is route 2

because its the first route with grass

[unkempt kernel]

This is why early route mons is a better term

[inland jewel]

yeah else we can't consider poochyena route 1 since the route its on is 101

[fallen loom]

add a second secret garden or a secret cave with various Rock, Ground and Steel Types

[fathom ridge]

Why tho

[fallen loom]

encounter Carbink and Minior early

[fathom ridge]

They could be in mount moon tbh

[inland jewel]

carbink is at least

[fathom ridge]

I feel like Minior could have a little event attached to it

[fallen loom]

yes, but I like the secret garden so maybe more places like that could be added and could double as spaces for Mythicals after certain missions have been completed

[fathom ridge]

Like finding it after crash landing

[fathom ridge]

Idk I feel like have more than one of those would make the secret garden less special

[fallen loom]

maybe one after each rival fight

[outer matrix]

It's mew's garden

[full bison]

You know what early game Mon would be great to add?

Starly

[fallen loom]

yes

[bitter comet]

Emo bird my beloved ❤️

[full bison]

Reckless Brave Bird being widely available would be so fun to work with

[fathom ridge]

Early birds don’t spark a lot of joy in my tbh, I like tutancannon tho

[fallen loom]

I like Swellow too because it's one of few early route birds that isn't mostly black/white/grey

[bitter comet]

Man, am I the only one who is scared of recoil moves?

Like I never use them anywhere lol

[outer matrix]

Unless you have a Pokémon with high HP, then

[inland jewel]

its worth at times

like if you need a mon specifically to answer the opponent's mon that could ohko your team

[full bison]

That's the fun part about adding a Reckless Mon in this game

[inland jewel]

like a little damage for the team to survive is good

[bitter comet]

Granted, I often spam stab moves without using stat boosting moves because I’m afraid that if I don’t attack immediately they’re going to destroy my Pokémon immediately lol

[brittle crow]

There's also mons with Rock Head that nullifies recoil dmg

[full bison]

It can be fused with something with really good HP (But not Blissey cause that attack stat) to sponge the recoil better

[bitter comet]

Man, can’t wait for staraptor/that one Pokémon with rock head that I can’t remember the name of

[outer matrix]

Slaking

[brittle crow]

Tyrunt

[bitter comet]

Tyrunt has that ability?

[outer matrix]

Or snorlax

[bitter comet]

I thought it was only the other fossil Pokémon that has that ability

[full bison]

Rampardos has decent HP. Imagine Rampardos/Staraptor with Reckless Brave Bird and Head Smash

[bitter comet]

Does its evolution have it?

[fallen loom]

Relicanth has it

[brittle crow]

Tyrantrum does.

Hidden Ability.

[bitter comet]

Damn, there are a lot more rock head a bit moons than I thought there were lol

[fallen loom]

Basculin has it too

only Blue though

[full bison]

Aerodactyl has it too I think. But no Brave Bird or Head Smash to abuse it 😦

[inland jewel]

what does it have that it can use Rock head for?

[fallen loom]

Take Down

[full bison]

Not even Double Edge, just Take Down 🙃

[inland jewel]

wow thats worst than grapploc having technition with nothing to use it with

[bitter comet]

You have now fully convinced me on the matter of staraptor being added

[fallen loom]

it had Double-Edge in Gen 3, but only as a Move Tutor

[full bison]

Part of me understands Aerodactyl not getting Brave Bird because hurr de durr it's a pterosaur, but no Head Smash is just mean

[spice sage]

||They are||

||Well Minior is on the summit technically||

[outer matrix]

With staraptor being a reckless user, what other early route pokemon could work really well in fusions?

[fallen loom]

Bunnelby

[full bison]

Vikavolt has an amazing SpAtt stat, access to Levitate, and I could see Frog having it inherit Battery as a Hidden Ability for Double playthroughs

[fallen loom]

Poochyena for early Intimidate

[rain locust]

gumshoos would be broken

vikavolt would be p bad

[outer matrix]

why would gumshoos be broken?

[rain locust]

stakeout

[bitter comet]

If frog could hypothetically add gen 8+ mons to the game what could Corvknight bring to the table?

[brittle crow]

wall

[full bison]

Gumshoos would also completely destroy the sprite channel

[full bison]

Mirror Armor is pretty crazy

[rain locust]

its a meme abil

[outer matrix]

Gumshoos also has a mafia boss-vibe,

[bitter comet]

I just learned/remembered it had that ability and now I am impressed

[spice sage]

The map limit thing is very overblown tbh. We still have a good 300-ish maps left before we hit the limit if I delete some of the unused maps

[rain locust]

corv has primary flying which is v good for fusing with registeel/steelix

[spice sage]

and if that's not enough we can combine some interior maps to probably gain another 300 lol

[bitter comet]

What happens when you completely run out of space?

[spiral musk]

what's the maximum of map possible? 👀

[outer matrix]

map size in width x length?

[bitter comet]

And there’s too much mon clutter

[spice sage]

999 in rpg maker. I'm sure there's ways to go over that limit if it's really needed tho

[full bison]

I was expecting a hex value, not just 999 lol

[spice sage]

maps are just files in the data folder. Rpg maker won't load more than 999 but there's always ways around it

I doubt that'll ever be an issue tho

[tender plank]

oh, so the map limit won't ever be a significant problem?

[spice sage]

it's not a memory thing. It's just an arbitrary limitation of rpg maker lol

[full bison]

I guess people see it as a bigger issue than it is cause of the Olivine thing

[bitter comet]

One last question that is off-topic. What’s the progress on fixing the whole Sprite managing situation?

[spice sage]

probably not

[spiral musk]

oh so you're arond 2/3 of the max size then
still that's a lot of maps made

[spice sage]

I'm not sure what you're refering to 🤔

[bitter comet]

The one where we have to manually download the sprites nowadays, because the old place banned us

[outer matrix]

The repo issue?

[bitter comet]

Yes

When will I be able to auto download and therefore play the game again?

[full bison]

repto

[spice sage]

oh yeah. Well it's fixed in the beta. That'll carry on to the next release.

[spiral musk]

I think it's bc it's an hard limit, kind of like how there one on the pokemons numbers before the code was remade

[bitter comet]

That’s good

[outer matrix]

Are new maps going to be made once the route encounters start to become full?

[fallen loom]

new maps are saved for mythicals mostly

[spiral musk]

Is there a limit for the number of mons you can encounter in a road?

[fallen loom]

yes

but there are 3 kinds of encounters in grass

depending on the time of day

so if there are 8 encounters in the day, there could be another different 8 at night

water routes also have different time of day encounters, plus ones for fishing

[full bison]

Randomizer player, can confirm that changing time of day is a huge source of confusion with encounters cause of that

[outer matrix]

Off topic but I feel like randomizer mode could be used to fill in the pokedex more easily with when connecting a ng+'s boxes to it, right?

[full bison]

Especially annoying if you're doing something like, say, trying to get a Thick Club from a Route where you know you caught a Cubone

[full bison]

I think randomizers have certain flags that prevent that

So no easy Magic Boots by abusing Randomizers

[outer matrix]

I figure that something like that would've happened tbh

[fallen loom]

what we could have

[full bison]

I'm down for Giratina-O and the Deoxys forms, not sure about anything else there

[outer matrix]

Alolan marowak and exeggutor would've been cool

[full bison]

Maybe giving Rotom the Appliance stats

[fallen loom]

appliance stats has lower speed

[full bison]

But better everything else except SpAtt which is the same

[outer matrix]

Also why spikey-eared pichu?

[fallen loom]

why not?

[full bison]

Cause it's awful

[fallen loom]

would be a troll pick

[outer matrix]

Submit him as a custom base easy solution

[clear lichen]

Fair enough

[fallen loom]

not really

[full bison]

Pretty sure it already is

[fallen loom]

the types usually don't match, so doesn't count

[outer matrix]

For spikey-eared pichu though

[fallen loom]

ok yeah

[cedar path]

where's my spiky ear raichu tho smh

[outer matrix]

Alolan persian is still funny to look at

[fallen loom]

Spiky-Eared Pichu -> Knobbly-Eared Pikachu -> Frayed-Ear Raichu

[cedar path]

i saw this which was neat

[fallen loom]

Pichu: concerned
Pikachu and Raichu: Angey

also Spiky-Eared Pichu is canonically female

[outer matrix]

Regionals are likely(?) to get in once every single base pokemon (up to Gen 7) gets added in PIF

[full bison]

Doubt it

The big problem with them is an issue of silhouette

[fallen loom]

oh jeeze

[cedar path]

since when is that an issue?

[full bison]

Aside from Exeggutor, most of them look too similar to the base

[outer matrix]

For the guessing game

[fallen loom]

people want both Frillish in, yet it's too difficult to add in Alolan Ninetales

[cedar path]

that's not a main focal point of the game though.

[inland jewel]

Frillish is a cosmetic difference though

[unkempt kernel]

^

[inland jewel]

Literally no changes in anything but the sprite

So it’s going to be one slot

[unkempt kernel]

Like Miniors colours

[fallen loom]

it'll get 2

[full bison]

Frillish would just be an altsprite thing

[inland jewel]

It’ll get 2 due to jellificent

Frillish and jellificent 2 slots

[outer matrix]

Same with gastrodon

[inland jewel]

Now if there was a stat or type difference

[cedar path]

most of them do have stat or type differences tho

[fallen loom]

like Rotom

[inland jewel]

Then again Pumpakboo are also 1 slot with only stats differences

[cedar path]

sandslash being ice/steel is a big difference from pure ground

[velvet root]

No rotom forms

[fallen loom]

why

[full bison]

It was enough of a point for Dusk to get snapped

[inland jewel]

Frogman already denied adding forms

[velvet root]

Not worth the amount of work we will get

[inland jewel]

Old forms that is

[fallen loom]

what was increidibly dumb though, because is also meant axing Tough Claws

[placid pelican]

dont use that word please

[rain locust]

that word

[full bison]

#TeamBarbaracle

[placid pelican]

( @cedar path )

[inland jewel]

#Barbaeacle

[fallen loom]

which word?

[tender plank]

the barbaracle (not) in the room with us rn:

[clear lichen]

Probably a bad one idk

[fallen loom]

bad one?

[cedar path]

i get auto muted, you dont need to ping me.

[cedar path]

anyways that's fucking dumb ngl

they have entirely different abilities

[outer matrix]

I'm guessing that the main thing for regionals is to make sure that the silhouettes (in custom bases) are more distinct from the regular forms

[fallen loom]

yes

[cedar path]

pokemon like alolan sandslash are completely different from their base form

[clear lichen]

I think I know what the word is

But I can only guess

[fallen loom]

so is Alolan Marowak

[cedar path]

Alolan Raichu is also pretty different

both in design and everything

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-word-familyguy-gif-5751614

[inland jewel]

Marowak is not different in sillohuete

[clear lichen]

A lot of the alolan forms are pretty distinct from the base forms imo

[fallen loom]

type is different and you could have it with the torch in the sprite

[cedar path]

marowak's official art is the same in both forms but I think thats almost it

[clear lichen]

Yes, even Alolan Dugtrio. Probably not Alolan Diglett though

[inland jewel]

That’s not the sillohuete though

[cedar path]

the hair would make it different enough

[fallen loom]

who cares about some guessing game?

[clear lichen]

Turns out a metal wig is a very distinguishing factor

[tender plank]

my simple fix to the guessing game stuff:
just unify them when needed
(eg. 'lycanroc' refers to all 3 forms, 'golem' both refers to kantonian and alolan golem)
(this is all in the guessing game exclusively btw, extra clarification)

[velvet root]

Ngl Alolan Dugtrio would be so cursed XD

[inland jewel]

If you overlay A Marowak with regular Marowak it’s 1-1

[cedar path]

except you can distinctly tell the flames

[clear lichen]

It's very noticeably different at least

[fallen loom]

yes and then they keep their "default" form stats, abilities and typings

[cedar path]

and the altered feet

and tail

[clear lichen]

Also it'd be funny

[cedar path]

and general body size being slimmer on alolan

[outer matrix]

What would make this discussion easier is to take both the regular and alolan forms, darken them so that they are both a silhouette, and put them next to each other to see which is more distinct from the other

[clear lichen]

Alolem and Golem are pretty different

[fallen loom]

Alolan Marowak is still a completely different typing though

[clear lichen]

One is a simple boulder with limbs and a head and the other has a beard and a massive fucking gun on its back

[cedar path]

the guessing game should just be removed if it causes an actual problem with adding pokemon lmao

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/alolan-marowak-pokemon-pokemon-marowak-shadow-bone-gif-9622285546755376384

[rain locust]

we should just replace marowak with alolawak

[velvet root]

Yeah it is pretty diffrent imo
I think the skull is sharper too

[fallen loom]

that or remove it being the one way to get multiple Master Balls

[clear lichen]

Ngl kinda agree, shouldn't let a guessing game disallow Pokemon from getting in

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/bone-marowak-kanto-pokemon-pokemon-marowak-gif-11186874436677684081

[cedar path]

its the same base pose

[outer matrix]

There's also the fire on the bone as well

[cedar path]

but the body is different

theres fire on the bone so that'd change the shape

[fallen loom]

^

[clear lichen]

Huh, alolan marowak is a lot slimmer than base Marowak

[velvet root]

Yeah thinner, longer, sharper skull and longer fire bone

[clear lichen]

Does dying make you lose weight

[cedar path]

there's already a plot point in the game that the pokeball machine sucks at making master ball. just upgrade it later on to let it make multiple.

[velvet root]

I mean obv they have the same pose
Its to connect the forms more

[inland jewel]

When a body dies it loses like 50 lbs

[clear lichen]

Good to know

All those Ghost mons being very light makes more sense now

[fallen loom]

jesus christ, Dusk Lycanroc really did die for nothing...

[clear lichen]

That said a lot are kinda just floating ghosts

[cedar path]

Twilight Lycanroc is literally just an infinitely superior pokemon lol

[clear lichen]

So it already made sense

[velvet root]

Ngl Dusk lycan is basically Day form with nights hair and orange

[ember bear]

surely most of them being partially immaterial accounts to something

[fallen loom]

Dusk, but yeah

[velvet root]

and well Though claws

[cedar path]

its actual name is twilight

[clear lichen]

Ye

[cedar path]

since its for both dusk and dawn

[outer matrix]

The main argument for dusk people have is dusk's access to tough claws

[cedar path]

which is why there's not a "dawn" lycanroc.

[clear lichen]

BARBARACLE FOR IF

[cedar path]

id rather have dusk related fusions rather than having to fuse lycanroc together with it's self

[velvet root]

So he rips his shirt just because and has beef with a Vampire?

[fallen loom]

it has Counter and 2 Speed stats swapped for Attack

[clear lichen]

BTW, Lycanroc's forms are known as Midday, Midnight and Dusk

[cedar path]

im absolutely certain that twilight is likely the reason why they localized it like that.

[rain locust]

is anyone arguing for these two differences

[clear lichen]

At least in English idk about any localisation stuff

[fallen loom]

IDK why Dusk/Twilight doesn't also include evolving just before daybreak

[cedar path]

it does

in USUM you can evolve it before day time or before night time

[fallen loom]

no, it only evolves in the evening in-game

[clear lichen]

Dusk only evolves in the evening, hence being called Dusk form Lycanroc

[cedar path]

besides the point

[clear lichen]

Evening before SV is like a 1 hour period so good luck :)

[fallen loom]

yes but Twilight can also be just before dawn

[clear lichen]

1 hour period per day btw

SV is 3 minute period per 72 minutes or something like that

[cedar path]

other than tough claws (which is a phenomenal ability)

i just think dusk is a superior form

design wise

[fallen loom]

yeah

[clear lichen]

Dusk is better than both Midday and Midnight Lycanroc in Competitive fs

[fallen loom]

Midday form should have been cut instead TBH

[cedar path]

or yknow

keep all 3

like they did for the oricorio forms...

[fallen loom]

but Frog is a hater

and stupid guessing game

what next, can't add in Marshadow because too generic?

[ember bear]

someone here would say that

[clear lichen]

Idk, I can't think of a Pokemon that looks like Marshadow, unique enough

[fallen loom]

also why do people not want Rotom forms in? Higher BST than base and different types

[cedar path]

munchlax

[ember bear]

well the rotom forms would be kinda limiting

[fallen loom]

yes, let's exclude Pokémon with actual differences, but add in both Frillish

[ember bear]

like wash would have to include washing machine elements

[cedar path]

ok?

thats not a bad thing

[clear lichen]

It might be something to do with a lot of rotom fusions already being rotom appliances, so they don't really think they need them for design

[fallen loom]

I don't see that as limiting

[clear lichen]

For battle it's not too great

Of an idea I mean

Because they're great in battle

My phrasing needs work

:/

[fallen loom]

I mean the outline and eye colour for head fusions could denote the form

[cedar path]

but yeah not adding alternate forms is actually dumb lol

[inland jewel]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[cedar path]

theyre almost completely different pokemon

[inland jewel]

Frogman’s thoughts on Dusk

[cedar path]

of fucking course he thinks its dumb

[clear lichen]

I mean, it's literally a gender difference, surely it wouldn't be problematic to add both

[ember bear]

base rotom allows more directions

[fallen loom]

Frog thinks that Dusk form is like Surfing Pikachu

[cedar path]

but thinks adding luvdisc is funny

[clear lichen]

I mean maybe it would?

Idk

[inland jewel]

Luvdisc is funny

All the messages that hate on it fuels me

[ember bear]

appliance rotom would just force people to do like, 500 mows or 500 fans

[clear lichen]

They almost definitely wouldn't add both forms if they can't have it be a gender difference, unless to troll

[fallen loom]

I mean no-one would be forced to

[outer matrix]

Luvdisc was a bit of a funny reveal after looking back at it

[cedar path]

nah

looking back on it its still awful

[ember bear]

i mean more in general

[clear lichen]

I became Shabriri when Luvdisc was announced, 10/10 would do that again

[ember bear]

not literally one person doing all 500

[cedar path]

there is literally 0 reason to not include regional forms

[fallen loom]

^

[outer matrix]

The more troll reveals we get, the less of them will be left later on

[cedar path]

maybe down the road sure and give the non-regional forms priority

[inland jewel]

I mean he hasn’t added them yet so all we can do is wait

[livid ginkgo]

hello I'm new I didn't understand how to install infinite fusion and I'm French

[inland jewel]

The only thing I can think of that forces him to add regionals is join the mod team and do something to advance the game to the next level

That’s how Oricorio got added

[cedar path]

i dont think id ever want to work for someone like that lmao

[fallen loom]

that and add in Dusk Lycanroc finally, since it actually HAS differences, inspite what the sprite is

[inland jewel]

Then complain about it

[cedar path]

What do you think I am doing

[inland jewel]

All I’m saying is that there are ways to make it happen

[cedar path]

is tough claws even in the game

[inland jewel]

Otherwise good luck waiting since I predict forms are gonna be one of the last additions

[inland jewel]

When we get Barbaracle

[cedar path]

so no

got it

[fallen loom]

Barbaracle is unpopular and people actually LIKE Dusk Lycanroc

[rain locust]

it probably exists in code if a gen 7 codepack is used

[proud lion]

I had it ranked as a 0. But as it got in as a Bonus Mon, I’m fine as ending it not at 500 is funni

[inland jewel]

Thing is Frogman has said he loves Barbaracle

[cedar path]

we have gen 7 mons so...

[inland jewel]

He just has no reason to add it right now

[cedar path]

uhuh

[fallen loom]

so he can hold Tough Claws over us

[cedar path]

i cant even debug it onto a lycanroc fusion lol

[fallen loom]

also I have requested multiple times for Midnight Lycanroc to get it over Vital Spirit or whatever

[full bison]

Barbaracle should be the next troll pick

[clear lichen]

Would unironically be cool

I like Barbaracle

I like Tough Claws

[velvet root]

Frogman actually like Barbaracle

[clear lichen]

I see this as an absolute win

[inland jewel]

Barbaracle would make so many good fusions

[full bison]

Barbaracle unironicaly carried me in Y

[cedar path]

never liked the thing

its design is kinda mid

[inland jewel]

That’s the fun part of fusions

[fallen loom]

Binacle looks like some moldy pie that worms got into

[inland jewel]

You can make it better

[cedar path]

debatable

[velvet root]

cry about it

[inland jewel]

If design is the only thing you iffy about it then that’s pretty irrelevant in a fusions game

[cedar path]

lmao

funny from you

[inland jewel]

I mean look at Bruxish and Stunfisk fusions

[cedar path]

yeah i have

[fallen loom]

ok, but Barbaracle + Zygarde Complete would be cool

[ember bear]

i liked using it in rand bats

it's a really handy mon ngl

[clear lichen]

The only Pokemon I hate are ones I bear some kind of grudge against for a reason aside from design so I'm afraid a fusion wouldn't fix that

[velvet root]

Atleast I dont constantly complain and try to show why I think something is better
I even try to see the Potential of a Pokemon for the game so get on my level first

[clear lichen]

I HATE FLUTTER MANE I HATE FLUTTER MANE I HATE FLUTTER MANE

[full bison]

Imagine Binacle/Pyukumuku where it's just a Binacle poking out of a poor Pyukumuku's mouth

[rain locust]

cry about it

[cedar path]

you quite literally were bitching non stop about diancie earlier

[rain locust]

[cedar path]

so dont give me that shit

[velvet root]

Binacle could become parasitic fusions

[ember bear]

fuse it to purposefully make it worse

[clear lichen]

I live in happiness knowing that Flutter Mane can never be added

[cedar path]

paras fusions 2.0

[velvet root]

I didnt bitch about Diancie just about the timing
I actually think Diancie is a phenomenal Pokemon for the game

[fallen loom]

that and Shuckle

[rain locust]

jumpscare

[cedar path]

yeah sure buddy

[full bison]

Considering Frog's opinion on regional forms, I have to wonder if he would even consider Paradoxes as additions at all

[inland jewel]

Imagine the Barbaracle/Marowack fusions with Tough Claw and Bone

[cedar path]

that'd be neat

[clear lichen]

Stats and type are still ass we're good

[rain locust]

True.

[velvet root]

Man I forgot
You know what my intention was and I dont

[clear lichen]

Like 7 Paradox mons would be even considered

Like uhhh

[cedar path]

nah

[clear lichen]

Paradox Cyclizars

[cedar path]

theyre gen 9

[clear lichen]

Iron Valiant

Uhhhh

[clear lichen]

No assuming they COULD be added

And based on previous comments on regional forms

[inland jewel]

I think he wouldn’t add them

[fallen loom]

so would both Keldeo forms be added?

[rain locust]

imagine hitting like 50 spe and getting owned

[full bison]

Roaring Moon

[clear lichen]

But yeah I do think some Paradoxes would stand a chance of being added

[bitter comet]

Oh God, this chat is gonna go back to people screaming at each other, ain’t it?

[clear lichen]

I would say too similar to Roaring Moon

[inland jewel]

What’s the difference between the forms?

[bitter comet]

Just like last year

[clear lichen]

Wow

I'm tired

I meant Mega Salamence

[bitter comet]

At least I don’t see anyone arguing for sound types yet

[ember bear]

meh it doesn't feel as hostile as last year

[clear lichen]

But yeah I would say it is FAR too similar to Mega Mence

[cedar path]

as far as im aware megas arent in the game

[clear lichen]

But that doesn't exist

[placid pelican]

its called a warning sir

[cedar path]

unless im dumb

[clear lichen]

So yeah

[placid pelican]

[bitter comet]

That is true

[inland jewel]

They are. Only as sprites

[cedar path]

sure whatever you say

[fallen loom]

nothing

[full bison]

Well we can't have Mega Salamence aside from the double Salamence fusion, so...

[bitter comet]

Last year, I saw a very angry debate about sound types

[clear lichen]

Ye

[brittle crow]

Man you are on fire Air

[inland jewel]

Then cosmetic like Aegislash

[brittle crow]

take 5

[clear lichen]

So Roaring Moon in that sense stands a chance

[cedar path]

ah then yea, i dont think it'd be a big deal if the paradox got in, but i dont see it anyways

[velvet root]

Here is a example that I like Diancie
I wrote more with my old account that I lost but still

[clear lichen]

I mean it's just a better Mega Mence in design but it's still way too similar for me to see it being considered if Mega Mence was in

[fallen loom]

I would want evolutions in before Paradox mon like Farigiraf and Annihilape

[inland jewel]

I mean misdrevious self fusions is literally just Fluttermane

[rain locust]

add megas so i can use aerilate

[cedar path]

i think the feathers alone would make it's design more distinct

[full bison]

If the issues with adding Gen 8-9 mons was resolved, I feel like I wouldn't care that much aside from Skeledirge, Lokix, Glimmora, Toxtricity, Ursaluna, Annihilape, and Polteageist

[clear lichen]

Well i think Iron Hands having floating iron motherfucking hands is cool as shit but apparently Hariyama has that as well because it's uncreative

[cedar path]

says who

[clear lichen]

Have you not been on the internet

[ember bear]

hariyama has floating hands?

[clear lichen]

Everyone hates the future paradoxes

[fallen loom]

Iron Hands + Haunter

[cedar path]

no

[viscid fossil]

iron valiant is literally just mega gallade/mega gardevoir with a shiny metal coat

[clear lichen]

For being uncreative, as if the past Paradoxes aren't too

[cedar path]

i dont look at pokemon fandom communities

[full bison]

I don't mind the Future Paradoxes aside from Jugulis.

[cedar path]

theyre usually toxic wastefields of mediocrity and stupidity

[clear lichen]

The fact that it's both immediately makes it better than most Paradoxes in creativity

[placid pelican]

i like iron treads

[clear lichen]

And I also really do not like judging them off creativity, its like comparing 2 pieces of rotten fruit

[ember bear]

the future designs could be more than just all robotic tbf

[cedar path]

i dont dislike any of the fusion paradoxes

altho i love iron valiant.

i just wish they all had actual abilities

doesnt even need to be strong abilities

[fallen loom]

why is Iron Serpent the ONLY future Paradox that doesn't look like a robo version of the present-day mon?

[clear lichen]

Quark Drive and Protosynthesis are definitely very strong abilities

[velvet root]

I go to bed
Have a Eelekzolt

[clear lichen]

Mainly because of Booster Energy

[full bison]

Iron Valiant with an actual ability would be scary.. it's already borderline OP

[cedar path]

because its the box legend

[rain locust]

valiant is fire

[clear lichen]

You take that away then yeah whoopsies

[clear lichen]

True!

[rain locust]

moth looks pretty aesthetic too

[cedar path]

and they needed it to look distinct enough to hide the fact that it's a cyclizar paradox mon

[clear lichen]

But I see people rank it below most Past Paradoxes like 65% of the time

Which is dumb and stupid

[ember bear]

the only thing i dislike about the paradoxes is the way they are named

[clear lichen]

Because they always say its because its less creative than them

Which it just isn't

[cedar path]

i thnk the only one i dislike future paradox wise is iron thorns

[full bison]

At least Valiant gets the most fanart

[fallen loom]

I want someone to make it look like old greenie (Cyclizar) and make it just look like a metalic version

[clear lichen]

I dont dislike any of the Paradox mons design wise

[cedar path]

i just dislike it because it looks too similar tbh

but like

[clear lichen]

I do think the least creative is a tie between Flutter Mane, Scream Tail, Iron Thorns and probably also Iron Jugulis

[cedar path]

even then i wouldnt say i dislike-dislike it

cause i was gonna put it on my team before i learnt every paradox mon besides iron treads/great tusk was post game...

[clear lichen]

Those 4 are bottom of the barrel creativity

But at least Jugulis has a fake upper head ig

[ember bear]

still funny how they decided to make uber delibird

[stoic canopy]

Even post game there arguably not good.

[cedar path]

thats what happens when you min max

[full bison]

Bundle is hilarious, I don't get why so many take umbrage with it

[fallen loom]

Iron Jugulis looks like Pokémon Rumble Hydreigon

[cedar path]

probably has to do with the fact it's a delibird.

[placid pelican]

paradox... not good?

how

[cedar path]

a good chunk of the paradox mons are actually not that good

[brittle crow]

huh

[clear lichen]

Honestly SV has either my favourite of 2nd favourite plot of any Pokemon game. Problem? That's a low as hell bar

[cedar path]

well

[placid pelican]

theres at least 5 that are extremely good

[clear lichen]

I think they reached pretty decently well above it though

[full bison]

The fact that it's a future Delibird is exactly why I love it. Seeing an OP form to one of the weakest Pokemon ever is hilarious

[fallen loom]

Iron Jug

[full bison]

It's like the Pokemon version of Futurama's Robot Santa

[clear lichen]

I really like the Paradox Pokemon

[cedar path]

Iron Boulder and Hands are UUBL, Leaves and Thorns are RUBL and NUBL respectively

the rest are either OU or Ubers

[clear lichen]

OK? UUBL and RUBL are very respectable placements, and NUBL isn't half bad either

[placid pelican]

iron hands was a staple in vgc

so

[cedar path]

oh idgaf about vgc

fake format

(yes i know its the official format that they use)

[clear lichen]

Past Paradoxes have a similar case

[placid pelican]

too bad its the official one kek

[clear lichen]

But I think they're more top heavy

[cedar path]

too bad nobody with self respect cares about it

[fallen loom]

they look the same

[clear lichen]

In terms of competitive

[placid pelican]

if u wanna think that way

[sullen elbow]

Jugulis should have had propeler wings

[clear lichen]

In terms of design though they're very even

I like them

Cool additions

[sullen elbow]

Its the only one that really bothers me

[placid pelican]

it has LEDs

[clear lichen]

Bro does not have a face

[placid pelican]

and thats it

[clear lichen]

And that's pretty funny to me

His face is FAKE

[brittle crow]

mhwilds filter

[fallen loom]

wings are also segmented

[placid pelican]

fair

[clear lichen]

Bro ran out of iron for the face

Ggs

[cedar path]

Brute Bonnet (ZU), Scream Tail (NU), Great Tusk (OU), Flutter Mane (Ubers), Slither Wing (RU), Sandy Shocks (UU), Roaring Moon (OU), and the legendaries are Ubers except for Raging Bolt and Walking Wake (on the past side)

so pretty hard split there too

[fallen loom]

which looks better?

[clear lichen]

Tough call

[full bison]

Apparently Jugulis can shoot it's arm heads, but it's barely noticable

[clear lichen]

Personally, I prefer Iron Moth

[cedar path]

i prefer slither wing just cause i like it standing up

[clear lichen]

They're both worse than Volcarona though :)

[cedar path]

ironically yeah they are lol

[clear lichen]

Not to insult them or anything

[unkempt kernel]

Iron moth

[clear lichen]

I think they're S tier mons

[full bison]

My boy Volcarona casually being 3 peak designs at once

[clear lichen]

Volcarona's just built different

[sullen elbow]

I like slither wing a lot fluffy moth

[fallen loom]

Slither WIng is cute though!

[clear lichen]

God I love moth

Praise moth

Bow down to your moth overlords

[unkempt kernel]

Slither wing is just volc on the ground

[ember bear]

should have been bug dragon

[cedar path]

i hate moths but slither wing is just peak but standing on the ground

[ember bear]

don't really see how it's fighting

[fallen loom]

"just"?!

[placid pelican]

its cute

[unkempt kernel]

Yes

[fallen loom]

agree!

[clear lichen]

Punch

[cedar path]

ehh

i like it being fighting

[unkempt kernel]

Eh I prefer the future paradox mons

[cedar path]

i just wish they had actual abilities

[clear lichen]

Damn... this Moth got hands

[unkempt kernel]

Cool LED lights

[stoic canopy]

I like the future ones as well

[clear lichen]

Iron Hands vs Slither Wing boxing match

[placid pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/slither-wing-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-27570359

[cedar path]

out of all the paradox tho

iron valiant is my fav

[clear lichen]

Now THAT'S something I'd pay to see

[cedar path]

I am incredibly bias for it wielding a double sided sword

[full bison]

Slither Wing makes me think about how Pokemon would look like if their stats were flipped

Like, if Machamp became a special sweeper

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure Iron Hands outruns you if you don't use your Paradox Cyclizar btw

So that's a nice visual to have in your head

[stoic canopy]

I just think it’s funny that the people of the hypothetical future also wants megas to come back.

[cedar path]

its been a while since iv played

[clear lichen]

It is an aggressive mon

[cedar path]

so idr their personalities

[sullen elbow]

I agree but I think they wanted to have the same number of paradoxes match their respective legendary's type

[cedar path]

i just remember being incredibly upset i couldnt use an iron valiant in my run

til post game

[clear lichen]

Anyways, what would be arguably even more terrifying

Would be if Iron Hands just

[cedar path]

my team for the entire game was missing a 6th member

because i was waiting to catch it

[clear lichen]

Levitated its hand towards you across like 10 meters

[rain locust]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/flipped.3711301/ do i have the metagame for you

[clear lichen]

Grabbed you

Then pulled you back

[fallen loom]

what?!

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

[placid pelican]

in this metagame: dragalge is still bad

[full bison]

I've seen that around, I'm taking adjusting their character design to match.

[placid pelican]

[clear lichen]

Hey, Dragalge's like NU rn

[placid pelican]

yeah

it used to be ru

[clear lichen]

According to Smogon it's an NU staple

[ember bear]

i can only imagine deoxys a

[clear lichen]

That'd pretty cool

[placid pelican]

no one uses it

[fallen loom]

stats flipped where Blissey is untouchable but dies to a poke

[clear lichen]

That's like what Charizard was uhhh

[placid pelican]

and i use it in ou

so

[clear lichen]

4 gens ago

[placid pelican]

[sullen elbow]

Plot twist slow frailish mixed attackers are still bad

[cedar path]

ngl

[full bison]

Flutter Mane becomes Melmetal and Melmetal becomes Flutter Mane

[placid pelican]

u couldnt be more mistaken wow congrats

it isnt mixed nor frailish

lmfao

[cedar path]

i am curiosu to what leads iron valiant to be what it is. like a non-metallic iron valiant

[fallen loom]

wait, really?

[cedar path]

and im not counting that fusion sprite we have

[ember bear]

nvm saw the banlist

cowards

[clear lichen]

I'm betting that this future is post apocalyptic and that everything got turned into a robot out of necessity

[cedar path]

probably

[full bison]

Flutter Mane has 135 in special stats and Speed with 55 in Physical stats and HP. Melmetal is the inverse of that.

[clear lichen]

Maybe the Gallade and Gardevoir were heavily injured

[fallen loom]

huh

[clear lichen]

And had to be fused together

[cedar path]

that or breeding between gardevoir and gallade eventually just ended up being closer to that

[fallen loom]

that or the future has no genders

[cedar path]

nah

[sullen elbow]

Do they even get good moves for the other side?

[clear lichen]

Ik the occulture magazine says it was like a mad scientist trying to make the ultimate Psychic Pokemon, then managing to drop the Psychic Type and keep the other 2 types

[placid pelican]

" An unproven theory claims that it is a robot built as the product of a mad scientist's efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon."

[cedar path]

i mean

[placid pelican]

and it drops psychic type

[cedar path]

YEAH

[placid pelican]

honestly hilarious

[cedar path]

HAHA

[clear lichen]

But you really gonna trust the magazine that says that Flutter Mane is a Pterosaur

Of course you won't!

[cedar path]

this entry wouldve been better on a paradox mewtwo

[fallen loom]

it's a WHAT?!

[clear lichen]

So I'm gonna make my own theories about it anyways

[sullen elbow]

The psychics cancel each other out

[ember bear]

basically iron moth not being bug or steel

[clear lichen]

The writers of the magazine are very clearly blind as shit

[full bison]

most powerful psychic type
Look inside
Fairy/Fighting

[cedar path]

to be fair

[placid pelican]

yes

[cedar path]

im p sure they made it up

[fallen loom]

so Flutter Mane is related to Aerodactly?!

[placid pelican]

it has lil spikes

like a dino

[clear lichen]

💀

There is 0 way that's a Pterosaur

[sullen elbow]

I guess a Ghost of something can look like anything

[clear lichen]

That's about as much of a Pterosaur as Gengar

[full bison]

I'm sad we never got a past paradox of Magikarp's ancient badass ancestor that keeps getting alluded to

[clear lichen]

They both can fly, are ghosts and have spikes

Surely a ghost of a pterosaur clueless

[cedar path]

tho

[placid pelican]

[fossil gull]

[cedar path]

i think iron valiant is fairy fighting to directly counter the dragon/dark roaring moon

[clear lichen]

In fact, they both fly while not having the Flying type or Levitate, and I'm pretty sure neither get Fly either

Can we talk about how Iron Moth very clearly Levitate above the ground but nuh uh it is a Fire/Poison type and gets one tapped by even the weakest earthquakes

[cedar path]

if only it had levitate...

[clear lichen]

Would be very cool

Quark Drive goes kinda fucking hard though

Sure you need Booster Energy

[fallen loom]

the same!

[clear lichen]

But like

It's such a great fucking boost

[sullen elbow]

Or not

[cedar path]

meh

[placid pelican]

spikes see !!?

[clear lichen]

Ain't nobody is using Pincurchin

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pincurchin-pokemon-bean-small-bean-smol-bean-gif-16855112976227367558

[clear lichen]

And I doubt anyone is using Iron Moth in AG

[rain locust]

erm actually
Lvl 1 0- Atk Chansey Earthquake vs. Lvl 9999 0 HP / 124 Def Iron Moth: 4-8 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever

[sullen elbow]

Tapu Koko

[clear lichen]

Damn

I assume the damage multiplier is given after finding the minimum value

Because there is no other way that should hit for 4

[full bison]

Imagine the pandemonium the Future paradoxes would cause if Koko was in Gen 9

[rain locust]

probably

[fallen loom]

It has similar features to a ghostly pterosaur that was covered in a paranormal magazine, but the two have little else in common.

I would LOVE to see the cut content from this game, because there's a 100% certainty that the design got changed but the dex description didn't

[cedar path]

imagine if alolan raichu got electric terrain as well :(

[full bison]

I feel like Koko being in Gen 9 would get either it or Valiant banned

[clear lichen]

They call Iron Jugulis the offspring of a robot and a hydreigon

I think it's just meant to be bullshit

[sullen elbow]

Wait I just noticed this is from this server

[fathom ridge]

[cedar path]

it is entirely just bullshit, its a bunch of people making up stuff from the little research they know

[unkempt kernel]

[sullen elbow]

Why two luvdisc emotes

[unkempt kernel]

Because

[clear lichen]

Exactly, so I'll continue theorising about whether the future paradox Pokemon came from an apocalyptic timeline or something

[fathom ridge]

bc yes

[ember bear]

they could also just be a fabrication of whatever the hell that machine was

[fallen loom]

of all the paradox mon, I think Brute Bonnet is the most forgettable

[clear lichen]

Front facing Luvdisc is cursed I love it

[clear lichen]

RIP Amoonguss Boonguss

[cedar path]

anyways

ima dip

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/brute-bonnet-pokemon-amoonguss-paradox-pokemon-scarlet-gif-4554930647558094859

[placid pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-burn-on-fire-gif-7684110515453159552

[fallen loom]

mushroom + dinosaur

[clear lichen]

Definitely not bs frfr

But yeah, the fact that everyone from the future got fucking robotocised(???) is a bit ominous

The future is not looking so bright

I'm ngl

[fathom ridge]

werent paradox forms not actually from the future or past?

[clear lichen]

Something about alternate timelines

[sullen elbow]

Celebi is fucking dead 😔

[clear lichen]

So ig that alternate timeline isn't looking so bright

In fact, they probably don't care, they might have in built night vision

[full bison]

All this talk about BS paradox entries, and no mention of the billion year old Jigglypuff?

[fallen loom]

at least the UB stuff happened, Paradoxes not happining at all is lame

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's because we've already proven that it's bs

[next flare]

Celebi should’ve had past and future forms

[fathom ridge]

real bodies < night vision

[clear lichen]

With like everything else

[next flare]

Both look the same as the original

[sullen elbow]

Past paradox relicanth

[full bison]

I saw a fan concept of a Paradox Mew that's both Past and Future simultaneously

[clear lichen]

AI Turo really just sent himself into what is probably an apocalyptic timeline, huh?

[fallen loom]

I think he should have come back TBH

[clear lichen]

Bro is not coming back, he is COOKED

[fallen loom]

maybe come back with the 3 beatss/deer hunting him down

[fathom ridge]

i would be surprise if we didnt see the AI doctors in a future legends game

[clear lichen]

I get that he's also a robot but isn't he literally stuck in Zero Lab because he needed the tera crystals to not power down forever

[fallen loom]

Arven: At least I got my real dad back!

[ember bear]

oh right

[clear lichen]

Time to move to #other-pokemon-games

[fallen loom]

a universe where everything is Tera crystals

[hollow plume]

just a little reminder

[bitter comet]

Creature ❤️

[brittle crow]

dont let pory see this

[outer matrix]

let pory see it though

[fossil gull]

[woeful root]

do we have any idea when the new pokemon are getting added to the game? been pretty bored lately and i was thinking of playing IF again when the update comes out

[tacit saddle]

no

vague guesses but no official dates

[full bison]

The original plan was sometime this month, but then Gitlab decided to ditch us

The issue is resolved now, but it still did mess with the schedule

[woeful root]

ah ok, i'm patient, was mainly just wondering

[hot hamlet]

Check back around Thanksgiving. Aka the last week of November

[grave jolt]

Oh wow we already have lovdisc emotes lmao

[outer matrix]

&

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/alomomola-heart-fish-sunfish-luvdisc-pokemon-gif-14716116669050255762

[inland jewel]

They have already confirmed that November isn't doable anymore

so expect it December or if things happen again, January

[brittle crow]

Man todays chat history for this channel was good

good time

[spare shore]

take me back to novemba

[dusky vapor]

no tropius

[full bison]

I so badly wanna draw some Fusions up before my birthday, but I can't think of what specifically I want to draw that I feel confident in doing

[proud lion]

Who knows what is going on during the wait?

[hot hamlet]

Programming in Luvdisc taking too long?

[eager jungle]

Minior Meteor/Exeggcute?

[proud lion]

I wonder what future movie events we will have?

[inland jewel]

Destiny Deoxys

where they reveal the deoxys forms