pif-hoenn-discussion

[full bison]

Toxtricity is pretty cool and Punk Rock would have been fun to work with if it was a possibility.

[clear lichen]

But they're probably gonna be treated like legendaries in terms of adding them to the game

[rugged temple]

UB who?

[clear lichen]

Not sure how they'll be adding them

[deft obsidian]

Ultra beast and tapu too much slot... dosen't worth it

[clear lichen]

Would they add all of them at once? Would they add one at a time?

Would they add version exclusives together?

Hmm...

[cedar path]

id kill for a quad fusion between the 4

[deft obsidian]

Unless they make poll and add few UB

[ember bear]

what the hell would the terrain even be

[cedar path]

or a triple fusion of necrozma, solgaleo and lunala

[clear lichen]

I like the UBs I wouldn't mind if we were to take up a bunch of slots for them

[fallen loom]

add in quad fusions just for Tapus, Regis and Gen 8 fossils

[full bison]

I feel like the best case for the UBs is adding just a couple at a time

[rugged temple]

Well we got necrozma sobi guess that counts as one by technicality

So i

[clear lichen]

But honestly idc what they add if they add Cosmog line it's a massive W

[ember bear]

the 500th slot is only cosmog 🔥

[clear lichen]

Not this update ofc

[cedar path]

lmfaoo

imagine that

[clear lichen]

One step closer

[cedar path]

cosmog + jirachi sounds fun

[rugged temple]

I'd drink to that

[clear lichen]

We take those

[fallen loom]

add in groups like Poiploe and Naganale as one, the other USUM UBs as another, the bugs as another...

[cedar path]

ehh

i feel like naganadal can be skipped

[clear lichen]

If we add Buzzwole and Pheromosa at the same time, we should add other version exclusives at the same time

[cedar path]

a lot of beedrill fusions fit the bill

[full bison]

Cosmog would absolutely have some of the most gorgeous Fusions ever. Palkia and Jirachi fusions already go super hard, I'm sure another space Mon would get similar treatment

[clear lichen]

Kartana+Celesteela, Stakataka+Blacephalon

[clear lichen]

OK, but Naganadel is cooler and not terrible in battle

[fallen loom]

yes

[cedar path]

ok but

its a game on fusing

you can make terrible mons good

[fallen loom]

I did say other USUM UBs, so Stak and Blac

[clear lichen]

Idk, if you fuse a strong Pokemon with a strong Pokemon it's stronger than a strong Pokemon fused with a weak Pokemon

And when it comes to weak Pokemon, Beedrill dominates the competition

[fallen loom]

Blacephalon would be a good Mr. Mime alt TBH, with the creep factor

[cedar path]

beedrill aint that bad

[clear lichen]

You could honestly argue Base Beedrill is as bad as Ledian honestly

[cedar path]

nah

[clear lichen]

It's so ass

[cedar path]

it gets sniper

[full bison]

Bare in mind how Naganadel evolves from Poipole. It's head becomes it's abdomen and it's tail becomes its head. Clever spriters could do a lot with that twist of biology.

[cedar path]

which means you can do funny crit builds

[ember bear]

mehhh

[clear lichen]

They're about as equally shit

[ember bear]

beedrill has actual stats

[cedar path]

bro clearly hasnt used a beedrill fusion before

[rugged temple]

Anyonr who says strong pokemon should get in hasn't seen the videos of pokemon showdown with a magikarp sweeping

[deft obsidian]

Mega beedrill is something

[fallen loom]

I literally never noticed that!

[cedar path]

im aware but that doesnt stop spriters from doing that normally tbf

[clear lichen]

Those are usually staged

Or against low ladder players

[rugged temple]

Oh so you genuinely just dont know what youre talking about

[ember bear]

inkay but ultra beast

[cedar path]

beezor goes hard

[rugged temple]

Badass

[ember bear]

technician fell stinger 🔥

[cedar path]

i had a shiny one in my first play through

so i am 1000% biased

[clear lichen]

At least Ledian is somewhat fast

Maybe it will land a piss weak hit

And then instantly die

[deft obsidian]

Funny? Mega beedrill is weakest among other bug mega evolution

[clear lichen]

Mega Bee is definitely a lot better than Ledian though lmao

[rugged temple]

Cope, people like bedrill

[ember bear]

the stat spread is what's funny

[clear lichen]

Man it's actually really hard to argue for Ledian being better, because they're both equally worthless

[cedar path]

ledian is only 10 speed faster

[clear lichen]

So mb, they're both trash

[full bison]

Guys, guys, let's not fight over Ledian and Beedrill and instead join forces in pointing and laughing at Spidops

[ember bear]

like where else do you see a pokemon with 15 on an offensive stat and 150 on the other

[deft obsidian]

I know it's strong

[cedar path]

while being infinite worse

[rugged temple]

As a spriter, beedrill is better

[clear lichen]

Hey, at least Spidops like

Lays sticky webs

Or something

What do Beedrill and Ledian do

[ember bear]

look better than it

[clear lichen]

True

[rugged temple]

Spidops gets access to good stab and dark

[cedar path]

ledian has fake out i believe?

[clear lichen]

Hey, yknow what, if you're using shitmons, may as well look the cooler shitmon

[cedar path]

but also hasnt been in a single game since USUM

[full bison]

And can do nothing with it

[clear lichen]

Hey does Ledian get Screens?

[cedar path]

light screen yeah

[clear lichen]

Well

[cedar path]

but it isnt fast enough to set it up

[clear lichen]

That's technically something

[cedar path]

w/o dying

youd need to sash it

[deft obsidian]

Flying bug is awful

[rugged temple]

This is all ignoring the fact that spriters will vote for stuff they like because they're gonna be doing the work

[clear lichen]

Light Screen is probably more work than Beedrill is doing

[rugged temple]

Ledian? Nah

[proud bluff]

Isn't Spidops just Bug?

[cedar path]

beedrill gets toxic spikes

[clear lichen]

OK, equal work then

[full bison]

Spriters vote for fun stuff to work with, meanwhile others vote for stuff like Kommo-o

[clear lichen]

Equally bad but hey

[deft obsidian]

Beedrill was good with pursuit

[clear lichen]

Beedrill looks cool somewhat but man why is it so bad

[fallen loom]

Beedrill but cooler

[rugged temple]

It is yes but iirc it gets a few good dark moves

[clear lichen]

Ledian is also solid

[clear lichen]

True

[cedar path]

they had to steal beedrill's job to make it good

[clear lichen]

Bro actually I need to ask something

[cedar path]

also beedrill gets fell stinger

which is actually p good

[clear lichen]

Why do you have to go through an entire fucking ordeal to get Spiritomb

Only for it to be insanely mid

[full bison]

Spiritomb is so cool too

[fallen loom]

to get Magic Boots

[full bison]

But it's just never worth using

[ember bear]

hey it had no weakness (before gen 6)

[cedar path]

sure it is

[deft obsidian]

Because they don't want players use them

[rugged temple]

Afaik a small handful of spriters might have put a vote for komo-o but it's ASS to even try spriting so I let others who have the care for that pokemon to do that

[clear lichen]

Bro you'd expect some 600 BST menacing slaughterer if you went through that stuff

It looks the part

[rain locust]

there are so many bugs that get knock already

[clear lichen]

Its lore matches the part

So why doesn't it actually

Play the part

[cedar path]

for the same reason that hydreigon is lvl 62 to evolve

because GF decided to just do that

[rugged temple]

Doesn't it get foul play??

[full bison]

Cause spooky 108 number

That's it

[rain locust]

no

but also it wouldnt be good with it anyway

[ember bear]

is foul play even that good

[clear lichen]

At least Hydreigon is worth the trouble, at least compared to Spiritomb

[cedar path]

it gets sucker punch but that's all it does

[rain locust]

it doesnt use sucker either

[rugged temple]

Oh well I still like its design either way

[fallen loom]

I think it was a good idea TBH, since I like it more when mon take ages to evolve, since that means you can't just rush and have a FE team before the 3rd Gym

[ember bear]

it just feels so niche sometimes

[rain locust]

its like webs spikes circle throw uturn

[cedar path]

keep in mind the final boss of gen 5 doesnt go above lvl 52

who also has a lvl 52 hydreigon

[ember bear]

like how often do you run into a physical attacker weak to dark

[rain locust]

its also the second slowest web setter so its terrible

[fallen loom]

B2W2 has proper post-game battles

[cedar path]

ok and?

[rugged temple]

Lets count

[fallen loom]

Metagross

[glass finch]

God Gen 5 Was Great

[cedar path]

metagross is mixed tbf

[clear lichen]

Is Metagross even still OU in Gen 7

[cedar path]

well

[clear lichen]

It sure as hell isn't OU in Gen 8 or 9

[cedar path]

physical leaning

[clear lichen]

Eh, UU's respectable enough

[deft obsidian]

Yes, cynthia, colress, rival black tower

[clear lichen]

Go ahead you can count it

[full bison]

Metagross isn't even OU in Gen 6 without Megas

[clear lichen]

Damn

[cedar path]

Metagross is actually p good

[clear lichen]

The powercreep got to it

And a lot quicker than I thought

[cedar path]

agility + weakness policy

[rugged temple]

Good typing too

[clear lichen]

Hey, UU's still respectable at least

[full bison]

The Steel nerf bent the poor guy over. Two neutral matchups becoming weaknesses was awful for it

[cedar path]

tbf

[deft obsidian]

Metagross has assault Vest set in gen 6 ou and it's good

[clear lichen]

Steel nerf turned Psychic type from a benefit into a tradeoff

[cedar path]

its not like steel/psychic is a common typing

[clear lichen]

A very, very costly tradeoff

[fallen loom]

honestly, should have just got the Ghost nerf

[cedar path]

wait steel nerf?

what steel nerf?

[clear lichen]

Yeah, it lost resistances to Dark and Ghost

[cedar path]

when???

[ember bear]

in gen 6

[clear lichen]

Gen 6

[deft obsidian]

Gen 6

[cedar path]

oh that's why i never paid attention

i only started competitively in gen 6 lmao

[ember bear]

fire

[deft obsidian]

Metagross has useless ability too😔

[full bison]

Meanwhile Bisharp saw that nerf and completely ignored it cause it already resisted both, becoming solidly meta before Gen 9 gave it a bucket of crack

[clear lichen]

Ummm

[cedar path]

clear body isnt useless

what

[clear lichen]

Iron Boulder is weak to Dark!

Uhhhhhhhhh

Ceruledge?

[cedar path]

what about em

[clear lichen]

I mean I did say UU was respectable and these are UUBL

[clear lichen]

Physical attackers weak to Dark

[cedar path]

ah

ceruledge was OU

until the DLC

[clear lichen]

Someone was talking about those earlier

[ember bear]

right

[cedar path]

makes me sad

i love ceruledge

[deft obsidian]

True... get ice Punched landorus

[clear lichen]

Proper OU mons that are physical and weak to Dark

Uhhh

Don't exist

[ember bear]

just because i was questioning the utility of foul play

[cedar path]

immunity to toxic spikes/sticky webs too

[dusty arrow]

hi chat

[fallen loom]

the issue is by Gen 6 Psychic/Steel types were already kind of plentiful, so Jirachi, Bronzong and Metagross paid the price for Fairy existing

[clear lichen]

Unless you count Deo-S?

But who would count Deo-S as physical

[ember bear]

it's not like it has plenty of bulk to begin with

[cedar path]

you literally named all 3 of the psychic/steel types that were in the game

[clear lichen]

Metagross is like RU now actually whoops

[cedar path]

lmao

[clear lichen]

Wait let me check Gen 7 OU

[full bison]

Offensive Dark moves are pretty much limited to Sucker Punch, Knock Off, and Gamefreak please give us Pursuit back the Ghosts are running rampant please save us

[cedar path]

Metagross is still UU in gen 9

[clear lichen]

Not anymore evidently

[cedar path]

I literally just checked smogon

[deft obsidian]

It's uber

[dusty arrow]

isnt dragapultin ou now

[clear lichen]

Well then ig I'm blind

[cedar path]

you are indeed

[clear lichen]

Ah right it is

[cedar path]

also

[clear lichen]

Tbf half its sets are special

[cedar path]

iron crown

is weak to dark

[clear lichen]

Special attacker

[cedar path]

eh

[dusty arrow]

even though it technically gets physical ghost stab with tera blast now

[cedar path]

iv seen some physical sets

[clear lichen]

Huh????

[fallen loom]

the Iron deers should have been part Fairy instead of Psychic

[rain locust]

why would you ever use physical iron crown

[clear lichen]

What is bro cooking

Anyways

[dusty arrow]

there are peopleusing special rampardos

[clear lichen]

Victini is close enough to physical right?

[cedar path]

i mean

[clear lichen]

I mean, its most well known signature move is physical

[cedar path]

if you count being 100 in every stat

[dusty arrow]

it will usually be physical bedause v-create so

[ember bear]

victini is physical

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure it runs special as well sometimes

[ember bear]

ig

[cedar path]

it can run mix

[clear lichen]

But most people will think of v create first

[fallen loom]

does Aegislash count as physical and weak to Dark?

[cedar path]

yes

[dusty arrow]

its mixed

[cedar path]

but

aegislash isnt in OU

since it isnt in gen 9

[clear lichen]

Jirachi is definitely primarily physical and weak to dark

[clear lichen]

Well it is in UU in Gen 8

Close enough

[cedar path]

jirachi also isnt ou

[clear lichen]

OU in Gen 7

[deft obsidian]

Also mixed

[cedar path]

yeah but that wasnt the question

[clear lichen]

I'm grasping for straws here alright?

[cedar path]

it was in general

[clear lichen]

There really aren't many dark weak physical mons that are good

[cedar path]

when i think of jirach i think of iron head tbh

[deft obsidian]

All mythical expect hoopa are mixed

[dusty arrow]

darkrai:

magearna:

[clear lichen]

Unless you count people using Dragon Dance Latios in Draft as a sign it's a physical attacker

[ember bear]

i mean hoopa unbound could use mixed

[cedar path]

darkrai being OU

is insane

[clear lichen]

Dark weak mons really struggle in Gen 9

[deft obsidian]

For real

[dusty arrow]

marshadow:

zeraora:

zarude:

[cedar path]

manaphy

[clear lichen]

Kingambit, Darkrai, H-Samu, Weavile, Meows, Roaring Moon, Ting-Lu

[cedar path]

oh wait

that is split

[deft obsidian]

They are mythical!?

[clear lichen]

And probably more I'm forgetting

[cedar path]

lmfao

[dusty arrow]

manaphy is technically mixed but yeah its gonna run spatk

[clear lichen]

Yes

[cedar path]

technically, yes.

[dusty arrow]

yes

[ember bear]

right

[cedar path]

volcanion is

[ember bear]

zarude exists

[cedar path]

weird

[dusty arrow]

volcanion is mixed kinda i think

[clear lichen]

I have not seen a singular physical Volcanion outside of draft

[cedar path]

it is

[dusty arrow]

but its gonna be running special sets

[cedar path]

its 120/130

i misread it as 103

[rain locust]

volcanion never uses physical

theres no reason to

[cedar path]

tfw they removed scald

just for volcanion to have a niche

[clear lichen]

Volcanion just runs special yeah

Unless youre playing fucking draft

[dusty arrow]

what if steam eruption gets the same effect as waliong wakes move

[clear lichen]

And really want to counterteam idk

[dusty arrow]

walking*

[clear lichen]

Blissey

Or something

[fallen loom]

they should bring back Retrun! Why did the remove it?

[cedar path]

man

walking wake is cool.

[ember bear]

imagine if scald got boosted by sun too

[cedar path]

god no

that move is already too good

30% chance to burn is so fucking high

[clear lichen]

Hydro Steam becomes contender for one of the worst signature moves ever

[cedar path]

and it still does good damage

[clear lichen]

Literally inferior version of a normal move

[cedar path]

not really

[full bison]

Gamefreak removed Pursuit and kept Scald. Make it make sense

[dusty arrow]

and discharge is just fine right

[ember bear]

probably because of how they modified the friendship mechanic

[cedar path]

its meant for being used in the sun

imagine if walking wake got into infinite fusion and we could fuse it with groudon

[deft obsidian]

Volt Switch or thunderbolt

[cedar path]

or any other draught mon

like ninetales for better spatk

[rain locust]

simply owned by shed

[fallen loom]

TBF, very few mon can actually learn it now

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure Groudon has more SpA than Ninetales

Don't quote me on that though

[rain locust]

it does

[dusty arrow]

i was bringing it up because air brought up scald and 30% burn being too high

[cedar path]

it does

but

i was just thinking of any drought mons

tbf

[fallen loom]

How did they change it for Gen 8?

[clear lichen]

This is such a Ninetales moment

[cedar path]

i thought it had higher

lmfao

[dusty arrow]

while paralysis hurts far more mons then burn

[cedar path]

forgot its a gen 1 mon

[clear lichen]

No wonder people use Torkoal instead

[cedar path]

yee

[ember bear]

they basically merged it with the refresh/amie mechanic

[cedar path]

god

[fallen loom]

Emboar learns Scald in SV, but Blastoise doesn't

[clear lichen]

Hey ykw, in Gen 9 Ninetales is ranked equally in the viability rankings

[cedar path]

imagine if white smoke stopped it from lowering it's own spatk from overheat

[clear lichen]

For OU

[dusty arrow]

why does emboar get scald

[clear lichen]

And Torkoal is better in VGC from what I've heard

[ember bear]

where it does stuff like "endured the hit for you" or "shrugged of the status for you"

[clear lichen]

And Torkoal is better in just about every other gen where it has Drought

[cedar path]

yeah which sucks

[cedar path]

i fucking hate that shit

[ember bear]

same

[fallen loom]

IDK, apparently 4 Fire Types get it

[cedar path]

i literally made a plan for a mon to set up something and faint in the same turn

[deft obsidian]

I mean they can use thunder Wave but water pokemon usually can't use will o wisp

[cedar path]

only for it to endure the hit

and ruin my plan

[ember bear]

i actually had to mistreat my pokemon to have some semblance of a challenge

[cedar path]

lol

ghetsis was right

abuse is good

[full bison]

I remember deliberately feeding Ogerpon with Herbal medicine just because I didn't want to deal with Affection RNG through Indigo Disc

[cedar path]

i didnt play the dlc

[dusty arrow]

i think yall are getting too heated over a mechanic in a childrens game

[cedar path]

so i was so confused on all the new legendaries that are in OU for some reason

? no

i dont think anyones heated over it

just complaining that its forced and we dont have return

[clear lichen]

I dont remember much affection RNG doing stuff in the DLC... partially because I was misled into thinking it'd have EV trained, optimally built Pokemon for VGC, me not knowing shit about Doubles and bringing Caly-S, Kyogre and the lot

[full bison]

Last I checked the rating is E for everyone, not K for kids only

[cedar path]

literally removing one of the best normal type STAB moves in the game

[ember bear]

yeah amie at least was optional

[clear lichen]

And turns out, people were really exaggerating it

Whoops

[dusty arrow]

its still better than how strong it was in gen 7

[cedar path]

???

[ember bear]

still optional

[clear lichen]

Turns out you can't live a hit on 1 HP if there's nobody to attack you, nor can you cure a status if you didn't get statused by your dead foe

[dusty arrow]

bring back the gen 1 two turn move glitch

[clear lichen]

I only claim partial blame I was misled into thinking this would be hard

[dusty arrow]

it would be funny

[clear lichen]

As in

Competitive hard

And not casual hard

I need to replay that DLC without curbstomping things

[full bison]

How fast do you think the competitive scene would die off if the Amie stuff was brought into Multiplayer?

[clear lichen]

I liked the funni story though

[clear lichen]

Near instantly

Well, for VGC

[fallen loom]

Only these mon get Scald in SV:
Slowbro (Kantonian)
Gyarados
Vaporeon
Mew
Chinchou line
Slowking (Johtoian)
Kingdra
Raikou?!
Suicune
Milotic
Phione + Manaphy
Emboar?!
Alomomola
Goodra (Kalosian)
Volcanion
Inteleon
Carkol + Coalossal
Pincurchin
Walking Wake
Poltchageist line

[clear lichen]

Smogon would just ban friendship

Because they are based

Feel free to take this out of context

[dusty arrow]

why does colossal

[clear lichen]

I mean it is hot

[ember bear]

coal and steam engine thing

makes sense ig

[fathom ridge]

This is the second quote I have from you that I can take out of context

[clear lichen]

So it has one part fulfilled

And it is a steam engine

[clear lichen]

Well have a third

[dusty arrow]

thats getting screenshotted

[deft obsidian]

How goodra

[clear lichen]

I'm feeling generous on easily OOCable quotes today

[ember bear]

dragon ig

[cedar path]

oh yeah

raikou has it

i forgot

lol

[full bison]

Goodra is basically a Water type in all but typing

[clear lichen]

Goodra is heavily associated with water

[ember bear]

yk now that i think about it

[clear lichen]

And it has Fire moves

[full bison]

It should have been a Water type TBH

[cedar path]

it also has poison moves

[dusty arrow]

goodra shouldve been dragon/water

[cedar path]

it has giga drain as well

[clear lichen]

So it definitely could heat the water

[cedar path]

it gets like

[fathom ridge]

Why is the internet weird about goodra

[cedar path]

everything

[clear lichen]

Dragon/Water with Poison Heal would've gone so hard

[ember bear]

how are dragons considered "cold blooded" when they usually breathe fire

[clear lichen]

Good question!

[cedar path]

blame the anime

[dusty arrow]

because reptiles

[clear lichen]

Why is the Internet so weird about Scolipede is a better question though

[cedar path]

buddy

[dusty arrow]

what did the anime do to goodra

[cedar path]

i think you searched it up

[fathom ridge]

Wait what

[clear lichen]

Yeah apparently it's

"Popular"

[ember bear]

but reptiles are like that because they can't regulate their temperature and have to stay in temperate climates

[cedar path]

ash's goodra is kind of feminine.

[clear lichen]

I refuse to elaborate further

[ember bear]

i don't think that would apply to dragons

[cedar path]

i think you should elaborate

[clear lichen]

Because I lost too many braincells talking about it today already

[fallen loom]

the fire heats up their body, so they're kinda endotherms and exotherms at the same time

[ember bear]

maybe im just overthinking idk

[cedar path]

because youre the one searching it up

[clear lichen]

And don't want to be banned

[cedar path]

anyways

[clear lichen]

I'm not

[cedar path]

poison heal goodra would go insane ngl

[clear lichen]

You just find a lot of sickos on the Internet sometimes

[cedar path]

uhuh...

[cedar path]

ok

good reaction

[clear lichen]

(Seriously? Horse-like? That's a motherfucking massive angry centipede that wants to trample you into the ground)

[ember bear]

wait i was too fixated on my dragon question

the hell are you guys talking about

[clear lichen]

(How tf is this a fucking horse)

[dusty arrow]

riding around on a scolipede would be sick af

[clear lichen]

(Do these people need glasses?)

[fallen loom]

it has horse legs

[dusty arrow]

legenddragon searched up scolipede

[fallen loom]

it galops around like a horse

[cedar path]

yknow what

[clear lichen]

I did not

[full bison]

Can we please stop talking about this

[clear lichen]

I just see people talking about this shit

[cedar path]

lol

you brought it up

so you must be looking at it

https://tenor.com/view/taking-a-photo-ted-templeton-sr-the-boss-baby-family-business-take-a-snapshot-capture-a-photo-gif-22838184

[clear lichen]

Someone brought up questionably "popular" Pokemon

[deft obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/scolipede-run-pokemon-animation-cycle-gif-16390455

[dusty arrow]

i am now going to exit the conversation

[ember bear]

breh

[clear lichen]

I'm just giving the even more questionable one

[cedar path]

ahem

[ember bear]

ok to get to a better topic

uhhh

[clear lichen]

Anyways like I said

[fallen loom]

changed my mind, it's a pig

[clear lichen]

I'd rather not elaborate

[full bison]

It's bad enough the entire community right now is losing their minds over Typhlosion and Octillery, we don't need to bring up more of this crap

[ember bear]

500th for cosmog slot

[dusty arrow]

ice type magikarp

[ember bear]

wait no

[cedar path]

yeah cause they have no reading comprehension

ngl corviknight could make some cool fusions

[clear lichen]

Curse of reading comprehension is strong in this community

[dusty arrow]

wait i know typhlosion but wtf did octillery do

[clear lichen]

It's strong in most communities actually

[dusty arrow]

its a octopus cannon

[cedar path]

japan and octopus go way back

so..

[fallen loom]

is Headempty from Picross?

[deft obsidian]

Malmar

[dusty arrow]

malmar

[cedar path]

also why an ice type magikarp

[dusty arrow]

ice type magikarp
bottom text

[ember bear]

(it was an inside joke like 1 year ago when the 1st vote happened)

[cedar path]

ah.

ok

[dusty arrow]

nah its a real pokemon

[wide merlin]

80% than the least are legendary . for the conclusion it's the most possible. 33% for diancie / victini / marshadow.

[velvet root]

Not Marshadow

He doesnt have a single reason to get in this update and is the worst Pokemon ever
If he get added this time I might leave the server

[dusty arrow]

@velvet root what did marshadow do to you bruh

[velvet root]

Enough that I hate every single millisecond of seeing one

[patent dagger]

Lmao

I don't want Marshadow either

[stoic canopy]

It is the spookiest remaining legendary though.

[dusty arrow]

heres ice type magikarp to calmthe nerves

[patent dagger]

And victini has no fusion potential imo

Diancie for pif!

[dusty arrow]

diancie is the most likely imo

[fathom ridge]

i like the V on its head i think people could do things with that

[patent dagger]

...

This argument is worse than luvdisc argument I think

[dusty arrow]

but its not gonna be halloween by the time if the reveal

[fathom ridge]

Really :<

[stoic canopy]

Oh? When the reveal? Thought it was going to be today

[patent dagger]

By the weekend likely

[fathom ridge]

Normally it’s on the weekend

[stoic canopy]

Also quad’s not wrong Azul.

[patent dagger]

Tuesday at latest if it doesn't go further than last few mons

[fathom ridge]

I just like the big V

[velvet root]

Its not even spooky 💀
A Quokka is spookyer than a Marshadow

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if there will be some foreshadowing before the reveal

[velvet root]

I mean Victini is based on apple bunnys

[stoic canopy]

It’s a living shadow, that kinda rates on the spooky meter

[velvet root]

And as info
That is a Quokka

[stoic canopy]

But yea victini is just a bigger Pikachu that has more orange bits.

[velvet root]

Why is a Shadow spooky? What are you? A Lemming on tv?

[fathom ridge]

It’s smaller tho?

[velvet root]

Wouldnt say that
But its hard for big fusions that what im sure about

[fathom ridge]

Shadows are certified spooky

[velvet root]

On body fusions we could change the V into other letters for Victini

[stoic canopy]

Ok, it’s a smaller Pikachu with more orange bits.

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-flying-floating-victini-gif-7714848

[patent dagger]

That made me jump

[stoic canopy]

Its literally a glorified Pikachu

[fathom ridge]

🅱️ fusion when

[fathom ridge]

It also has wings on its butt so that’s cool

[velvet root]

But yeah Victini is a eh on fusions

[patent dagger]

Diancie on the other hand is epic

Just look at the spritework there is over 100 examples

[fathom ridge]

Ngl i would also prefer diance over victini

But the best case scenario for me is that we get furfrou

[cedar path]

same

i like diancie infinitely more

[patent dagger]

Diancie is my last hope

Unless frog makes a hehe and adds magearna instead

[fathom ridge]

Magearna feels like it’s covered in heads by klinklank and in bodies by gardevoir

[velvet root]

Tbf its from 1 Diancie fan

[patent dagger]

No no and no.

I really hate people saying magearna looks like this magearna covered by that
It is a unique enough pokemon

[stoic canopy]

Honestly I won’t mind diancie either, it’ll make for a nice fey queen type of fusion that’s actually fairy

[fathom ridge]

I don’t dislike the idea of having it tho

[velvet root]

Magearna would be awesome
It has similiar niches as other mons but really diffrently executed

[patent dagger]

Shhhh they don't need to know

[patent dagger]

THANK YOU.

[velvet root]

Also we can use its original colors too

[fathom ridge]

I do like it’s cannon hand so there is that

[patent dagger]

[velvet root]

Best pic I found

[patent dagger]

Gameplay wise it has good stats, move and ability
Visually its good
Fusion wise its unique and has good potential

[velvet root]

the laser is awesome too

[patent dagger]

If I didn't believe Carpink was getting in I would've rooted for magearna

[velvet root]

And type

[patent dagger]

Yeah fairy steel is good (its my favorite typing for whatever reason)

[fathom ridge]

The shinys are awesome :0

[velvet root]

Magearna also sounds more fun for fusions than Klinklang

[stoic canopy]

If magearna does get in I’d ask for an Accord fusion, from Drackengard 3

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-magearna-scared-hide-gif-12436846

[patent dagger]

Yeah you won't need to make actual gears

Just mechanical

[velvet root]

It also can go in a pokeball form

[patent dagger]

More freedom on fusion

[fathom ridge]

If magearna gets in I would do magearna/bisharp with the cool cannon

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-magearna-falling-clutz-walking-away-gif-12436844

[fathom ridge]

Voltorb

[velvet root]

and funny ig

[patent dagger]

Yes

[fathom ridge]

Ded 💀

[patent dagger]

Can't blame her
She is walking on sticks

[velvet root]

Wasnt her core damaged in that movie?

[patent dagger]

I don't really remember actually

Might be

I should rewatch that sometime

I just remember volcanion was protecting magearna

https://tenor.com/view/magearna-alola-sun-moon-pokemon-gif-7452987

[velvet root]

yeah

[velvet root]

its a cute mon

[fathom ridge]

How would volcanion be as 500?

I like it’s tubes

[patent dagger]

Wdym

Oh

Yeah no

I do not like it that much

Fire water is cool but thats not even unique since we can make fusions

[stoic canopy]

No.

[patent dagger]

It was fire water right?

[velvet root]

bad ig

its very weird

[velvet root]

yeah

[fathom ridge]

I like the idea of steam fusions

[patent dagger]

It also isn't really liked by that many people

[velvet root]

just use torkoals smoke or so

[velvet root]

cuz lets be real
vulcanion looks weird

https://tenor.com/view/volcanion-anime-pokemon-hydro-pump-water-blast-gif-2074507674886832204

[unkempt kernel]

Volcano Metagross

[patent dagger]

Yeah he is no necrozma but that is...

[velvet root]

Necrozma looks more normal than him

[velvet root]

The should have went more lion for the body

[patent dagger]

Idk I think he would be easier to sprite than necrozma

[unkempt kernel]

Necro is cool geometric cyrstal

[patent dagger]

I think making the back not so large might've been better

[velvet root]

Hard to sprite doesnt mean bad

[patent dagger]

But it is weird

[outer matrix]

Kommo-o is hard to sprite

but it isn't bad

[velvet root]

I mean without the tubes it would look fine

[patent dagger]

Both being together makes it more awkward ig

[velvet root]

Imagine that without tubes

[patent dagger]

Its bad its garbage I hate it with my all

[velvet root]

Or if the tubes would connect to its back half could look better ig?

[outer matrix]

If we're talking about volcanion, then yeah it's bad

[velvet root]

we started on Magearna not being bad

I searched Magearna fusion
Now I saw bonkers

[patent dagger]

Nope
That message I sent was 100% about kommo o

[patent dagger]

Wydm

[velvet root]

on google

I wanted to search and show magearna fusions

[patent dagger]

Are you saying they are good or bad

[fathom ridge]

i think he means that he found the interhet being weird (?)

[patent dagger]

Oh...

[stoic canopy]

Necrozma has a “the color out of space” vibe that does a lot of heavy lifting.

[velvet root]

I didnt found much fusions to be fair
mainly bonkers

[patent dagger]

I did not understand what you meant by "bonkers" at all fyi
I think you could find a better word lol

[velvet root]

Jigglypuffs if you want

[patent dagger]

What

Are you even saying

[dusty arrow]

B R E A S T S

[patent dagger]

...

[outer matrix]

There are some fusions in spritework y'know, in case Google shows-stuff-that-can't-be-discussed-here

[stoic canopy]

Oh thank god you said it I wasn’t going to risk a ban.

[fathom ridge]

yeah, the lesson is: dont google the name of pokemons

[velvet root]

Same here

[dusty arrow]

imma gonna die

[brittle crow]

ice type magikarp with what?

say it loud

[velvet root]

Dont google the names of squishy of feminim Pokemon

[dusty arrow]

not ice type magikarp

[outer matrix]

with NOTHING!

[dusty arrow]

magearna

[patent dagger]

Any pokemon.

[velvet root]

Squishy also means Scolipede cuz the black part

[velvet root]

Nah there are okay ones

[patent dagger]

Shut up about it chat

[patent dagger]

Don't actually make me call mods

[fathom ridge]

ngl i think you can find weird stuff with any mon

[patent dagger]

Its always a risk

[dusty arrow]

moving onto a different topic

[velvet root]

obv
The rule is when it exist there is something

[dusty arrow]

what do yall think of crawdaunt

[patent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-magearna-fleur-cannon-power-blast-gif-12436847

[outer matrix]

Anyways, victini, diance or blacephalon for 500?

[patent dagger]

Magearna

[dusty arrow]

i want blacephalon

but diancie is probably most likely

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[fathom ridge]

me too...

[dusty arrow]

i love crawdaunt

hes awesome

[velvet root]

Agree he is best UB

[patent dagger]

I like crawdaunt but I have a ton of Pokemon Id prefer before it

[stoic canopy]

I just want more dark Pokémon

[dusty arrow]

my favorite ub is xurkitree and blacephalon is a cloee second

[outer matrix]

Blacephalon fits bc of the fireworks celebrating 500k members

[velvet root]

Who likes Pandas?

[dusty arrow]

ADACHI?!

[patent dagger]

Not it

[tender plank]

me

they're cool

[dusty arrow]

hello tirtouga man

[velvet root]

OH now I wonder why

[tender plank]

hello

[fathom ridge]

who

[dusty arrow]

tohru adachi

[velvet root]

This you?

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-adachi-true-persona-adachi-persona-true-adachi-not-true-gif-1844847996839870836

[tender plank]

yes that is me thank you

[fathom ridge]

you are light blue :0

[dusty arrow]

tohru adachi my beloved

[velvet root]

So guys
Gimme a non if mon and a good reason why it should be added
I make a sprite of the one that convinces me the most

[patent dagger]

I can't decide between floette florges magearna

I think I already gave many reasons for all of them over time so I can recite though

[brittle crow]

whats that bug

the flying bug

not the bee...

[steel meadow]

gogoat

[fathom ridge]

my boy Vikavolt?

[steel meadow]

vikavolt?

[brittle crow]

no

i think it looked like a girl bug

fairy

[steel meadow]

rimbombee

[velvet root]

Man 10/10 good perfect

[brittle crow]

it was like

ya rimbomber

[dusty arrow]

ice type magikarp
good adds ice scales (and technically slush rush + swift swim but yknow)
good bst, great for special attacks, and high speed
pretty decent moveset
one slot, not a dragon type
adds funny pokemon in ice cube fusions, and leave cool non-stuck in ice cubes to regive
head fusions can freeze the head, allowing for a lot of creativity with the body, such as ice spikes on a torterra or gogoat

[velvet root]

You can give multiple

[fathom ridge]

ledian?

[brittle crow]

no ribomber

[velvet root]

I already was thinking of writing only real Pokemon but you would have wrote that even then dont you

[dusty arrow]

yeah

[velvet root]

Nah he mean Pheramosa

[dusty arrow]

because he IS real

[velvet root]

Hes real in our hearts

[patent dagger]

So uhh
For floette
First of all its a fairy
Secondly its body is more or less simple so anybody can sprite it
Thirdly its holding something, you can give it a unique flower or something completely different
4th (I kinda forgot...)

For florges
Firstly it has a mane made out of flowers,
Secondly its pretty
Thirdly it would look amazing for both head and body fusions (including with gogoat)

For magearna, I already talked about here with u so...

[tender plank]

obvious answer aside,I think Clawitzer is a cool ass lobster, the giant claw is also quite the cool yet also humorous part of its design that i think makes it stand out quite well

and the blues, yellow and black are quite a palette if i say so

[dusty arrow]

wait

[patent dagger]

?

[dusty arrow]

would the florges line maybe take four spots?

[patent dagger]

No

[dusty arrow]

i kinda want az floette to be real

[velvet root]

Hilarious how people try to get me to do it with mentioning Gogoat XD

[dusty arrow]

PLEASE GAMEFREAK

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt
bc it looks cool

[velvet root]

Good point

[dusty arrow]

RELEASE AZ FLOETTE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[patent dagger]

Eternal floette likely wouldn't make it in as for body fusions it would be hard to tell apart from normal floette
Also its a separate mon so even if it got in it doesn't necessarily need to be together

[dusty arrow]

ALSO BUFF REGIGIAS

REGIGIGAS*

[patent dagger]

I just remembered us talking about florges gogoat thats all...

Ribbon!!!!

[cobalt river]

yvetal floette for eternal flower floette

[patent dagger]

Hi ribbon hope you doing well

[cobalt river]

hello! discord is being very slow for me but im here :

[dusty arrow]

hello carbink/hatterene person

[patent dagger]

We just need yveltal...

[steel meadow]

/diance person

[cobalt river]

ive been alright! my hands been acting up so im a little slower in production. but i will get baxk to my slurpuffs… eventually

[patent dagger]

And floette of course

[cobalt river]

ive done yvetal florges so im a biased party

[patent dagger]

Aww take care of your hand take a good break if needed okay?

[dusty arrow]

watch the 500th pokemon be luvdisc

[patent dagger]

I wouldn't be against you making the prevo too

[dusty arrow]

frog would do that

[cobalt river]

yeah i have been! :’D trying to

i would like to if it gets in for sure!

[velvet root]

In case ribbon wants to try it too

[cobalt river]

otherwise id like to still but my non if to do list is. so long

hmmmm

[patent dagger]

Lol
Sounds rather unlikely
At least anytime soon

At least we might be getting diancie soon

Its the most likely option or so we think

[dusty arrow]

also i think this is the first time ive seen ribbon here

[cobalt river]

mienfoo maybe?… Sleek n cool design, fighting type, the big sleeves allow for greay dynamic flowy poses

[dusty arrow]

you should totally make an ice type magikarp fusion

[patent dagger]

Not mianshao?

[cobalt river]

thats. the one i meant help

[patent dagger]

Lol

[cobalt river]

i just woke up from a nap

[velvet root]

Pov me making fire type magikarp

[patent dagger]

[patent dagger]

Just make chi yu

[dusty arrow]

rotom/ice type magikarp
electric type magikarp

[velvet root]

If I had to make a Magikarp of my fav type it would be Poison

[clear lichen]

OK but when is Grass type Magikarp, and it's just also just a Gogoat

[dusty arrow]

magikarp starter trio

[fathom ridge]

ice type magikarp has a lot of fusion potential with its ice block

[dusty arrow]

grass type magikarp, fire type magikarp, water type magikarp

[dusty arrow]

ikr

anyway i gotta die now

[fathom ridge]

if you are creative you can do a lot of whacky stuff

[steel meadow]

done

[velvet root]

Just make a Magikarp of every type

[fathom ridge]

Rip

[cobalt river]

ice type magikarp regice we need you

[velvet root]

Tell Lillith I said hi
She should call back

[fathom ridge]

you wont believe this

[cobalt river]

god bless.

this community never lets me down

[patent dagger]

I don't really get the deal with it but if ribbon likes it thats good ig?

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-lyrics-80s-never-gonna-give-you-up-rick-astley-gif-21869209

[cobalt river]

i do not get the deal that much either but a little fishie in a frozen icecube whale is very good content silly and cute

[patent dagger]

Anyway can't wait for diancie to be announced

[velvet root]

Is it bad that I hope Not

[fathom ridge]

ermmm you spelled blacephalon wrong

[patent dagger]

Why not

[fathom ridge]

or furfrou but that one is unlikely

[patent dagger]

I thought we agreed on diancie

[steel meadow]

im pretty sure zero just dont want the other non if groups to get in

[outer matrix]

Blacephalon

[steel meadow]

cuz almost everyone has made it in except diancie and gogoat

[fathom ridge]

fixed so no one can see that again

[patent dagger]

What

[steel meadow]

yes

[outer matrix]

We need 3 extra reveals for them (501, 502, 503)

[cobalt river]

im not a group and diancie getting in would, admittedly, kill my project why am i a part of this wwwww

[velvet root]

I dont want that all big groups many like get in at once except Gogoat
Only Diancie is left for that criteria

[dusty arrow]

imback live

[patent dagger]

Well sorry for liking diancie?
I still want it in

[velvet root]

But what you did created a lot of followers

[velvet root]

Nah I like it too
Its awesome

[fathom ridge]

"big group" but there is only one person doing diance, there are 100+ diance sprites tho thats weird

[fathom ridge]

how was it being dead?

[steel meadow]

there is definetly other diancie spriters other than ribbon

[velvet root]

One active spriter and many following the ideal of it being good for the game

[fathom ridge]

also

[steel meadow]

just not for a while cuz everyone is scared to be outclassed

[dusty arrow]

boring

[velvet root]

Did you tell Lillith she should call back?

[dusty arrow]

i walked for like four minutes and now im back

[dusty arrow]

didnt see her

[velvet root]

Man thats sad

Btw you guys like my newest non if fusion?

[fathom ridge]

yo thats an epic tadpole alien

[tender plank]

very exquisite

[outer matrix]

~~ toad ~~

[steel meadow]

very woofa

[tender plank]

i like their vibe

[fathom ridge]

i love the blue and black on poipole

[bronze barn]

yessir, I asserted my name

[steel meadow]

sorry for summoning you

but theres poipole

[bronze barn]

now I shall be known as the guy who "never shuts up about poipole"

[bronze barn]

look at the thread

[steel meadow]

oh u already saw it

[steel meadow]

honestly better than the guy who never sprites pif

[velvet root]

Woofa look

[patent dagger]

Disagree

[patent dagger]

All the ones you got so far weren't appealing enough I assume

[velvet root]

Maybe I just want to give people a fair chance

[steel meadow]

poipole hater?

[patent dagger]

I just don't think white names are that bad...

[steel meadow]

oooh

i meant myself

im apparently known as a non pif spriter now by atleast 1 person

and im not a white name

[patent dagger]

Yeah fair

[marble meadow]

500 is bad egg

[bronze barn]

Reason for Poipole to be added
it is, the "starter" for the people in the aether foundation, meaning it should be the first ultra beast added.
Naganadel, and poipole, give us A LOT of stuffs, like being dragon poison (dragalge works too, but it serves a different role), and having really strong coverage.
It has a REALLY unique body shape, on BOTH of the evo line, the evo's bottom being like Poipole's head, and poipole having an alien-like body
A unique palette, possible glue and paint sfx? and needles

and most importantly

silly alien

oh and beast boost.

beast boost can make the mon very good in lots of ways competetive wise

[outer matrix]

Too bad there's only 1 slot left this time

[steel meadow]

woofa would probably be happy with just poipole

[stoic canopy]

^ nice paragraph though

[patent dagger]

Geez even I didn't try this hard
And he already got a poipole lol imagine if he didn't

He did write it nicely tho no arguing that

[bronze barn]

[outer matrix]

~~ A true poipole fan should shiny hunt it in USUM ~~

[bronze barn]

I would

but I don't have the console

and the game

[steel meadow]

i can give u the console

[bronze barn]

[steel meadow]

if i get it back when u get the shiny

[bronze barn]

I had an shiny hunting phase btw

I remember shiny hunting a silly rockruff

for like

[steel meadow]

same, i did it for a few weeks when my computer exploded

[bronze barn]

a week

whenever I had time

and then

MY BROTHER SOLD MY CONSOLE AND GAME

AND MY SHINY ROCKRUFF TOO

[stoic canopy]

I kinda hope the UB’s get their own event. Have like an in game event where ultra wormholes can pop up in game.

[patent dagger]

A real brother fr

[bronze barn]

imagine you could interact with another professor in professor's oak lab and get ultra beasts that way

and it gives poipole my beloved

[outer matrix]

Game is near map limit, so maybe interacting with it will initiate a battle on the spot (with a unique battle bg)

[bronze barn]

[patent dagger]

Sounds too complex idk
They probably will appear in specific locations after an event trigger imo
If they ever get added

[bronze barn]

DON'T SAY IT LIKE THAT

[stoic canopy]

Tbf, the beta did add more places so it’s not an impossibility

[bronze barn]

I hope we would get it next batch

[patent dagger]

That means there is even less space left

[tender plank]

how many maps can even be added until no more can be added?

[bronze barn]

I think the rpgmakerxp limit is like

500?

maybe

[outer matrix]

Ask frog

[bronze barn]

I don't remember

[tender plank]

i heard it was 999

[bronze barn]

lemme check

[outer matrix]

There's also unused maps leftover in the game, so maybe they could get removed in favor of new ones

[stoic canopy]

Good point, near map limit can mean like 20 left or 100 really.

[tender plank]

damn, do we even have space for legendaries atp?

[bronze barn]

999 apparently

or, does that mean tilesets

huh

this is confusing

[patent dagger]

Well in any case if we don't have a lot we don't have a lot

[bronze barn]

I think ultra wormhole could be one map.

if we try hard enough

at max it'd be around 15

and that'd be if we make some semi-useless map

[tender plank]

i can imagine some legendaries as not needing a map to itself like the forces of nature and maybe some others

hold on i need to make a tierlist rq

[bronze barn]

how do we get necrozma normally?

[patent dagger]

More roaming legendaries?

[stoic canopy]

Yea the blades and the forces can be roaming

[tender plank]

oh

[patent dagger]

You collect rocks and...idk the rest you put them somewhere on the spooky tower

[bronze barn]

maybe sidequests and we just add shrines randomly

well not randomly

in places that fit

[tender plank]

i was thinking like special trigger only events but yeah ig roamers can do too

[outer matrix]

Stakataka is just you building one

[bronze barn]

chat

I just had an idea

[patent dagger]

I think the best place we could put magearna in is occupied by a bird...

[bronze barn]

what if I make an evolution to Poipole/Rockruff

but I make Lycanroc's body just look more rockruff-ish

like rockruff's head

I mean.

[patent dagger]

Uhm sure ig
Don't see an issue with it

[patent dagger]

Is there any other place similar to that abandoned powerplant? (I think thats what it was?)

[outer matrix]

So, it's a nagandel/rockruff?

[bronze barn]

no Naganadel/Lycanroc-midday

representing the body looking like the pre-evo head

I need to make a new naganadel palette asap...

[patent dagger]

Just finding it in ball form and putting in the soul heart to awaken it
Then capture it
Is the idea i had...idk

[stoic canopy]

Have her be hidden in the power plant’s basement in a voltorb pile. All the voltorbs know self destruct

[trail hull]

Reason for luvdisc to be added

Luvdisc is a cute heart mon , it fits in one slots.
Gameplay wise it would add a bit more variety to the underwater encounters as well as giving us easier heartscales

Fusion wise luvdisc has soemthign to bring to the table: Hearts and love
It gives us heart and love themes that no mon really does. Also the heart sfx is a ncie addition.
That is just for the heads.It's palette is kinda unique has there nothing in that color of pink. The body has a simpl" shape which make it easy to sprite and perfect for beginner or to exeperiment. But due to this simplicity you can try more easily to do complex sprite.

In conclusion luvdisc is a good one spot mon for the game that can provides a new sfx , easy fusion to learn and easier heart scales

[outer matrix]

But what's the opposite of luvdisc? (Dont say alomomola)

[brittle crow]

stunfisk

[patent dagger]

The voltorb pile that requires ghost types or damp ability sounds kinda heavy

[patent dagger]

Hate square

[patent dagger]

I was imagining more of a
Abandoned in a room kinda feeling

I don't hate that idea though

Sounds like an easy way to add her
Although same can be said for what I had

[tender plank]

quick tierlist based on if a legendary needs a special map for it or if it could work as a roamer/special overworld event that doesn't really need an entire map for it
feel free to tell me your opinions

[patent dagger]

We were just discussing magearna probably doesn't need an entire map

[outer matrix]

What about some Ultra beasts as roamers? Like pheromosa

[tender plank]

i could see it?

[trail hull]

to me ultra beast + cosmog line + silvally should just be one big quest

[tender plank]

actually yeah i see that actually

[patent dagger]

The only problem is if it were to be put in same place as zapdos thats be kinda too much

Im trying to remember any other similar place but not sure...

[unkempt stone]

I always imagined it just being an entire thing of going through Ultra Space

Ultra Space is a cool environment

[fathom ridge]

The radio tower?

[patent dagger]

Hmm maybe if they rework the map there

Not sure if it'd work as good though

[prime dust]

the only issue i see with the cells thing is the amount needed; would likely need a significant nerf for PIF

[patent dagger]

Yeah guess so
Probably 10 for max?

But easier to get than necrozma shards

[tender plank]

i. think i can see where you're getting at there.
although it's still better than putting it in a cave

[stoic canopy]

Maybe instead of catching the cells you can do a quest to bring the cells towards you.

[tender plank]

oooh i like that]

befriend the cells

[trail hull]

my idea was this:

After catching necrozma you go into the professor lab and ou get asaulted(in the overworld by a typenull. You see lusamien apologise for the incovenience. She say that ultra wormhole are appearing acros kanto and johto and she requires our help. each wormhole would have a different ultra beast , upon catching them you would have a fight against solgaleo or lunala where you would be able to catch them. You would then fight lusamine to get cosmog and type null.

[stoic canopy]

I was thinking less befriending and more bait.

[bronze barn]

chat I think I am cooking

[tender plank]

oh, right. but i do also like the idea of simultaneously befriending 100 separate ant sized blobs by just gathering them all together.

[marble meadow]

about that i think zygarde would work like that u need to find zygarde cells

[grave jolt]

Victini 100% either needs something like Jirachi or to be put on Mt Silver.

[tender plank]

both of those i can see happening

although which one it would be was what kept me conflicted

[velvet root]

I can see it somewhere before Victory road
Or as a gift mon after the league

[grave jolt]

It's gotta be after the league.

Maybe it appears outside the league building after the first time you beat them

The Tapus probably go in the sevii islands

[marble meadow]

i think to evovle meltan in if it will have a special item

[grave jolt]

Has too level up using a rare candy

[marble meadow]

but well ether zygarde gets an event or its collect zygarde cells in kanto/johto

but for that answer i just need to wait longer

[bronze barn]

just need to do the claws