pif-hoenn-discussion

[alpine rune]

Inflict hypothermia

[hexed agate]

Fucked up

What Pokémon are you guys hoping for?

[patent dagger]

I'll let you guess

[hexed agate]

Luvdisc

[patent dagger]

Close

Its eternal flower floette

[molten loom]

I'll be fine with most things

[patent dagger]

Since there is no way thats happening I want diancie though

[bronze barn]

Poipole

[hexed agate]

Already removed it, next

[bronze barn]

Simipark

[alpine rune]

Spinda

[hexed agate]

🙏 🙏 🙏

[bronze barn]

peak pokemon design

ngl

[patent dagger]

I don't think we would ever get eternal flower...
As she shares same body as normal floette, her fusions would be hard to tell apart

[hexed agate]

Which pattern

[bronze barn]

it was hinted in the riddles too

[alpine rune]

#395248

[hexed agate]

Peak

[bronze barn]

in spinda heads

would we put the spots

[patent dagger]

?

[bronze barn]

I assume it could be places automatically

[patent dagger]

Nope

[bronze barn]

just like normal spinda in rpgmakerxp and pokemon essentials

[alpine rune]

You put them like dominoes arrange their peperoni

[bronze barn]

and the literal pokemon code

[bronze barn]

that's literally how it works though

[patent dagger]

It most definitely wouldn't work

[bronze barn]

no madman would sprite all the patterns of spinda and a backsprite fr

And I like the thought of all spindas just being

[hexed agate]

PIF is built on PEssen, but idk if it'd work

[bronze barn]

naked

[hexed agate]

Or if frob would want to

[alpine rune]

It probably could considering that frog plans to make different gourgheist sizes using scaling.

Instead of different sprites

[bronze barn]

I mean, I don't think it would mess with the code too much

consider gourgeist basically does

something similar

even more complicated, I assume.

[patent dagger]

We literally couldn't even get minior to be a single mon
I don't think we can get something that makes 4billion different patterns on existing sprites

[viscid fossil]

Light of ruin being a legendary expert move for that line would be enough

[bronze barn]

that's really different

[hexed agate]

It's extra complexity, and spriters would probably hand add them anyways

[alpine rune]

Imagine a blank Spinda, and you let ai put the dots

[bronze barn]

smh my head

I just think the whole fun thing about spinda

[trail hull]

Someone understand me

[hexed agate]

It's split up so that it can be fused as 2 different things

[bronze barn]

is the random spots

[patent dagger]

Yeah...
A floette fusion can possibly get close to eternal floette bst... using legendary mons

Close enough

[hexed agate]

Spriters get to add them wherever

[bronze barn]

my point being is that, ingame, imagine your fusion would be completely different to other people using the same fusion.

[inland jewel]

Frogman ain’t gonna code that

[trail hull]

No thanks I'll take them every time being at the same position

[bronze barn]

it's built into pessentials lol

[hexed agate]

No need to, but idk if frog would want to maintain it

[bronze barn]

look at this

bald spinda

[hexed agate]

It uses Spinda's pos values though

[inland jewel]

For base spinda, fusions are a separate Mon, and he isn’t going to map out where the spots are for each individual fusion

[hexed agate]

Meaning it doesn't work for a different shape without tweaking it

[bronze barn]

tbh I'd be fine either way though

if it can be coded I'd prefer it much more

would make the mon much more fun ingame

[hexed agate]

But what about Burmy

[inland jewel]

The code is put spots in this certain area, it’ll work if you don’t change spinda’s shape at all but then you get spots in weird places if you alter the form

[bronze barn]

tbh I am not much of a coder, but couldn't we just put more randomized spots for fusions, so they always hit atleast once or twice the actual sprite

idk maybe I am dumb fr

probably that

cause I am

took me a while to find this emoji

[viscid fossil]

Burmy is 1 slot, wormadam is 3, burmy evolution depends on where it is when evolving. Easy.

[inland jewel]

What you’re asking is putting spots intended for a circle

And then using the same spots for putting it on a triangle

[hexed agate]

Yeah, if you want the spots to be on not spinda

[viscid fossil]

(the hard part is figuring out how to deal with an actual gender Evo)

[bronze barn]

oh yeah

genders are wacky in the fusion department

[hexed agate]

Handling Wormadam like Oricorio would be cooler tbh

[bronze barn]

it could be an item I'd assume

[patent dagger]

Wormadam has different types so it would be separated.

[trail hull]

maybe it evovle into wormadam by level up and mothim if it holds a genderstone

[patent dagger]

Huh?

[molten loom]

Maybe we actually get access to more gender stones then

[bronze barn]

gender stone let's gooooo

[molten loom]

Besides just one from a trainer

[bronze barn]

wait gender stones are a thing?????

[hexed agate]

Fire Stone, Metal Coat, Leaf Stone

[bronze barn]

[hexed agate]

Boom, solved

[molten loom]

Yes

[hexed agate]

Wormadam is real

[bronze barn]

[viscid fossil]

If gender stones could re-gender genderless mons then that would solve a lot of problems

[bronze barn]

let's goooo gender stones

[molten loom]

A trainer just below national Park gives it

[bronze barn]

I am such a fraud fr

[patent dagger]

There is "transgenderstone" (just "genderstone" ingame) that changes a pokemons gender

[bronze barn]

[patent dagger]

I think there is only one available normally?

[molten loom]

Yeah

[bronze barn]

yk what mon would be the most interesting to add

Poipole

[patent dagger]

It is basically an opal with trans flag

[hexed agate]

Imagine waiting to Johto to get Mothim

[trail hull]

best mon to add is luvdisc

[patent dagger]

No

[molten loom]

I mean it's just post Silph co

[hexed agate]

It's a Mothim

[trail hull]

[molten loom]

Basically the same as a lot of mons that evolve with stones

[viscid fossil]

NGS
(Naganadel gogoat salazzle)

[hexed agate]

It doesn't even survive Rock Tunnel powercreep

[hexed agate]

I meant Mt. Moon btw

[trail hull]

oh yeah the old ngs if finally completed

[bronze barn]

fr

[hexed agate]

Also I can't figure out what to fuse with Lombre

[patent dagger]

Wdym?

To sprite?

[bronze barn]

yourself.

[patent dagger]

I wanna go sprite a Carpink

But my hand still...

[hexed agate]

Carpinkn't

[patent dagger]

you are genuinely hurting me whats wrong with diancie?

[bronze barn]

it's not poipole

[patent dagger]

Thats a good thing.

[bronze barn]

no that's a really bad thing

it's not rockruff either

[flint tiger]

that is not at all true

[patent dagger]

I don't think you are being very objective here

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[patent dagger]

Two Pokemons not being literally same is a good thing.

[hexed agate]

Nothing, I just find it funny messing with Carpink

[bronze barn]

emolga, is three enough?

[unkempt kernel]

We REALLY don't need a second ngs movement

[hexed agate]

Plusle and Minun are not the same

[bronze barn]

all Lycanrocs and sandshrew line also goes

[hexed agate]

Minun is way better

[bronze barn]

true

[flint tiger]

I doubt salazzle is getting in

since there’s only one slot left

[bronze barn]

yeah

[patent dagger]

You didn't even understand the message

[bronze barn]

nah I just find it funny.

[flint tiger]

but once the new pokemon all get added, and the game is updated, I’m gonna plan on my next team

[hexed agate]

Dedenne

[bronze barn]

Emolga better

it literally flies

https://tenor.com/view/emolga-pokemon-walking-pokemon-sun-and-moon-nintendo-gif-25094371

[unkempt kernel]

Pachirisu is literally the best pikaclone

[bronze barn]

look at it

precious

[unkempt kernel]

It won worlds

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/emolga-pokemon-dr-pepper-bed-bedtime-gif-13083271112248075548

[flint tiger]

I’ll use three fusions that are new/new, and three fusions that use new/old

[unkempt kernel]

Annoying little shi

[full bison]

As someone who loves Gen 5, keep that flying rat away from me

[bronze barn]

HATER.

haters

[unkempt kernel]

Go play gen 5

[bronze barn]

all of you

[bronze barn]

I played it

[unkempt kernel]

[bronze barn]

it was my first gen fr

all of you... haters....

hating on my guy

[hexed agate]

Flying rat is cool, but Cheek Pouch enabler is cooler

[unkempt kernel]

Ok but this is literally a fusion with minior

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/эмолга-emolga-gif-2225847434043985397

[full bison]

Static+Double Team+Electro Ball every time you see one makes me upset

[hexed agate]

Togedemaru is awesome though

[bronze barn]

true

first shiny in pokerogue

still like emolga more

[unkempt kernel]

Imagine being 4 times weak to ground

[bronze barn]

it's my silly lil guy

[hexed agate]

It's like rat spheall

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/emolga-pokemon-walking-pokemon-sun-and-moon-nintendo-gif-25094371

[flint tiger]

I kinda like pachirisu the best

[hexed agate]

Imagine getting fused with Scyther (welcome home Scizor 2.0)

[bronze barn]

I made a silly custom base (I never finished) for the guy too

[flint tiger]

It’s like, the one with no “problems” or very few “problems”

[bronze barn]

[flint tiger]

Morpeko was going to be on my team

[hexed agate]

It's just a rat

[bronze barn]

what's a morpeko smh my head

[flint tiger]

but when I found out that Morpeko doesn’t have a tail, and it’s just an imprint on the back

I decided against using it

[unkempt kernel]

Pach is a squirrel tho

[hexed agate]

Anything smaller than my leg is a rat in my books

[patent dagger]

Is a bird a rat?

[hexed agate]

Yes

[flint tiger]

how is cosmog a rat?

[patent dagger]

Is a fish a rat?

[hexed agate]

Cosmic scavenger = rat

[patent dagger]

Is a small fridge a rat?

[hexed agate]

Also snuck into an enclosed space (the bag)

[hexed agate]

If it's alive, sure

[hexed agate]

Yes

[bronze barn]

how big is your leg?

[patent dagger]

Is a relicanth a rat?

[hexed agate]

Magikarp has major rat energy

[hexed agate]

It survived this whole time by ratting away from evolution

[patent dagger]

I was sure I got you with that one

[hexed agate]

If you really wanted to defeat my argument, you just had to use a Pokémon that is many small parts, or that can split

Ditto, for example, can unrat itself

[patent dagger]

So zygarde?

[hexed agate]

I was thinking Palossand

Millions of rats

[patent dagger]

...

[trail hull]

so any detritivorous are rat?

[hexed agate]

Zygarde is a rat megazord

[hexed agate]

Tardigrades are water rats

Also I'm surprised no one brought up that Raticate is, in fact, probably bigger than my leg

[bronze barn]

is raticate a rat?

[steel meadow]

I like how pory was just spitting facts about rats for 15 minutes and then chat went dead

[bronze barn]

but like

A HUGE

raticate

size of a building raticate

[steel meadow]

dynamax rat

[sand mica]

Hopefully Skuntank and Grumpig aren't the last Pokemon to be added...

[full bison]

Those are 2 slots so they won't be

[steel meadow]

reverse psychology

[sand mica]

I want them...

[patent dagger]

70cm
Although you didn't say only things shorter than your legs are rats

[hexed agate]

Dynarat

[hexed agate]

True

[steel meadow]

are all pikaclones rats?

[patent dagger]

2 are squirrels

[full bison]

Togedemaru is a hedgehog

[steel meadow]

i was hoping for pory's expert opinion

[viscid fossil]

Am I a rat?

[steel meadow]

yes.

wait

i am rat

[viscid fossil]

Wait, it's all rats?

[patent dagger]

Well he says they are rats
Thats the start of the conversation

Im not shorter than pory' leg

Probably

[steel meadow]

i think my profile picture is

unless he stands on two legs

[sullen elbow]

Morpeko is a hampter

[steel meadow]

no its all rat

[sullen elbow]

Are plusle and minum meant to be like bunnies?

[steel meadow]

i think so but theyre rats

[sullen elbow]

Swinub is rat

[steel meadow]

unfortunately yes

[hexed agate]

Ofc

They are rat clones

Therefore rats

[steel meadow]

now thats flawless logic

[steel meadow]

can we agree that wingull is rat too?

[hexed agate]

Seagulls are winged sea rats

It's their birthright

[steel meadow]

EXACTLY

ive been saying this for years

and people look at me like im crazy when i point at a seagull and call it rat...

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ratbird-cloudywithachanceofmeatballs-gif-5184387

[patent dagger]

I think bats are more rat

[steel meadow]

ew why does the meatball emoji look like that

oh its a falafel

[hexed agate]

I was thinking of tiny frogs, and a lot of the names for them are funny if you replace frog with rat

Poison dart rat, for instance

[steel meadow]

isnt that just teemo?

bullrat

[patent dagger]

Lmao

[hexed agate]

Glass rat

[patent dagger]

No teemo is a devil

[steel meadow]

glass frogs exists...?

[patent dagger]

Yeah

[steel meadow]

google time.

[patent dagger]

The ones with visible organs

[steel meadow]

OH

those silly little guys

[patent dagger]

I think its those ones?

Not sure

[steel meadow]

yes.

[patent dagger]

LMAO

[steel meadow]

do not mind the 56 other tabs.

[viscid fossil]

It's all connected

[steel meadow]

oh my god...

it really do be all rats

i wonder if theres a pokemon that isnt rat

[patent dagger]

Giratina

[steel meadow]

giratina is just a mech controlled by rat

[viscid fossil]

Giratina is a ratatouille rat?

[steel meadow]

yes.

[cobalt river]

giRATina?

[steel meadow]

it has been infront of us all this time 🐀

even the 500th dex slot will be a rat (victini)

[spiral musk]

Is carbonk a rat

[stoic canopy]

Everything is a rat if you don’t know what a rat is.

[bronze barn]

Caratbink

[spiral musk]

Are we all secretly rats??!

[stoic canopy]

Secretly? You mean you don’t know!?

[stoic canopy]

“Everything is a rat if you don’t know what a rat is.” Read that again and then tell me, rat.

[spiral musk]

[stoic canopy]

No, that’s clearly a failed cartoon from the 90/late 80’s that largely failed financially, but, lives on in meme form…I have no fucking clue what that yellow thing is though…might be a rat.

[hexed agate]

Yes

[velvet root]

Thats Crazy

[hazy fable]

you know what else is crazy?

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-rubber-room-gif-10524477174166992043

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-necklace-cute-gif-6172727

[hazy fable]

damn you fast

[full bison]

What even is this channel anymore

[tender plank]

i think it's #pif-hoenn-discussion but i could be wrong

[viscid fossil]

The rats

The rats drive me crazy

[stoic canopy]

PIF-new-rat-discussion

[shadow kiln]

Great IDW Eggman panel.

[hexed agate]

RIF-new-rat-discussion

Rat of the day: Skorupi

[tender plank]

i must say, that sure is an interesting rat

[stoic canopy]

With its exoskeleton, stinger and claws it’s the model of rats everywhere.

[hexed agate]

Tirtouga is an anagram for Gut I/O rat

[hexed agate]

Rats stink

Stink stings

[tender plank]

WHAT

[hexed agate]

Or rat gut I/o

Aka rat mouth

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-head-roll-jester-gif-5390395606877382630

[fathom ridge]

Balacephalon or furfrou are my preferred candidates for 500

[marble meadow]

rats rats we are the rats

[fathom ridge]

It’s probably diance or victini tho

[fathom ridge]

We pray at night

||thats the lyric right||

[marble meadow]

yup man now i want a pokemon fusion fused into jerma

maybe some of the new mons can work

[hazy fable]

what jerma? we are getting rats this time

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-spinning-horizontally-gif-25424411

[patent dagger]

Chat seem to got too off course
Fully pory to blame
Lets go back to talking about why diancie is the best option and must be added

[full bison]

Apparently beta players found that Diamond Storm isn't available at the Legendary Move Expert anymore. Take that as you will.

[bronze barn]

Might aswell start making diancie fusion

OR

they're TRICKING US

like, TRICK OR TREAT

[compact orbit]

Didn’t we already get Gourgiest?

[bronze barn]

[surreal scaffold]

Wait about gen 3 or 4?

[fathom ridge]

What are some good one stage lines from gen 3 or 4?

[viscid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/royal-pear-clone-pear-best-clone-in-the-arg-best-clone-pear-ever-like-fr-tho-best-shorts-creator-aka-clone-pear-gif-9711582399352512063

[fathom ridge]

I’ll be honest I’m not a big tropius fan

[steel meadow]

gen 4 doesnt really have one thats non if

[full bison]

Honestly there aren't that many single stage Pokemon that I'm that big a fan of that aren't mythical or legendary or have a close association with another Pokemon

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/guzzlord-glutton-dragon-eating-wood-pokemon-anime-gif-9823662392850060805

it will be aaaaaaaaaaa

[steel meadow]

its pachirisu, carnivine or chatot

[full bison]

Guzzlord being the first UB added would be... I dunno how I'd feel about it

I'm genuinely not sure how I feel about Guzzlord as a Pokemon

[steel meadow]

i really like gluttonous pokemon

except the squirrel

i really dislike the squirrel

greedent

[full bison]

I think I just prefer every other UB over Guzzlord, but I can't really confidently say I dislike it

[steel meadow]

i happen to dislike one ub atleast more than guzzlord

[full bison]

I do like the Ultra Ruin lore at least

[viscid fossil]

I am afraid of what chatter brings
Regardless of which version we get

[steel meadow]

how do i post those signs without getting fancy font

[viscid fossil]

**

Escape sequences my beloved

[steel meadow]

i cant do more than three, i wanted to do 4

[viscid fossil]

\**

[marble meadow]

or its cinnabar island missingno

[outer matrix]

Blacephalon for 500 since it can work as a firework to celebrate 500k members

[twin phoenix]

Ya know, there are fireworks in the banner art. Maybe it was hinting at it the whole time..

[full bison]

Blacephalon isn't my personal first pick for what should be the first UB added, but the spriters seem to like it so I'd be happy for them if it gets added

[marble meadow]

we do a bit of trolling it,s missingno

[outer matrix]

All porygon z fusions with glitches will become missingno fusions

[full bison]

Honestly I'm surprised there isn't some sort of nod to the missingno glitch in the game. Like, I could imagine talking to the old man in Viridian and this triggers an in-game event where you encounter a Kabutops/Porygon-Z fusion or something

[outer matrix]

It's either diance, victini, blacephalon or a troll addition next

[cedar kite]

As someone who caught victini in the original black and white event when it first came out

I would love victini

[full bison]

Victini makes logical sense for 500 and the context of a celebration, but Diancie makes a ton of sense too considering Carbink was added

[patent dagger]

Lies!

I speak for us who don't like it:
We dont like it.

[ember bear]

wym ofc every spriter has the same opinion about every pokemon!

we love categorization!

[outer matrix]

I hate charizard though

[patent dagger]

Same

Lets remove Charizard and put victini there
Then diancie can be 500 with certainty

[ember bear]

just charizard and not the pre evos 🔥

[patent dagger]

Charmeleon is cool okay?

[outer matrix]

Charmander and Charmeleon are fine imo

[coarse karma]

Im confused I thought we already got our first UB last year. also I dont like any of the ultrabeast designs at all so its not like im trying to defend necrozma when I bring it up being in the game already.

Im in the minority here though as everyone seems to have a favorite UB out of the lot of all the UB.

Im just saying Blacephalon wouldnt be PIF's first

[viscid fossil]

"necrozma is an ultra beast" is the wackiest thing

Not even official media can decide

[coarse karma]

Is it a legendary? I never played USUM

I just assumed cause I rm in the first Sun/Moon game it was found in a random ultra wormhole postgame

[viscid fossil]

It's not boosted by beast balls
So probably no

[coarse karma]

I dont have the lore to it

[fathom ridge]

But it’s a silly guy!

[coarse karma]

Oh had no clue.

[outer matrix]

It does live in ultra space

[spiral musk]

it's an ultra beast lore wise, but a legendary gameplay wise
I think the explanation is that it stayed a long time under the ground

[patent dagger]

Necrozma is connected to ultra space but isn't a ultra beast
Its a legendary

[fathom ridge]

What about the humans that come from the necrozma dimension? Are those persons ultra beasts?

[viscid fossil]

In the tcg, neither lunala or the cosmogs are ultra beasts, but the fusions are

[spiral musk]

well they are the ultra squadron or smthg

[viscid fossil]

What sense does that make

[spiral musk]

and comes from the ultra megalopolis

[ember bear]

they are ultra humans

[full bison]

Necrozma is an Ultra Beast lore wise but not mechanically. It's mostly just to allow you to catch it without needing beast balls

[viscid fossil]

(also Oops that's a swsh card which doesn't have the ultra beast designation but the s/m cards still aren't ultras

[fathom ridge]

It’s any Mon from another dimension an ultra beast

[spiral musk]

good luck to catch it with an beast ball
IK bc I did it

[ember bear]

in sun and moon?

[spiral musk]

in scarvio

[ember bear]

ig it has the same catchrate

[spiral musk]

had to reset cuz I had only 2 beast balls

so many time

[ember bear]

i just caught it in usum because 255 rate 🔥

[full bison]

Necrozma, Solgaleo, and Lunala all have the prime number stat lines and howl at the end of their cries to indicate that they're UBs lorewise but it would be frustrating to catch them if they were mechanically

[fathom ridge]

Was it worth it?

[sullen elbow]

I caugth in a heal ball in sm

[viscid fossil]

Then why aren't the legendaries and common pokemon you find in ultra space not also beasts

[fathom ridge]

That’s true!

[viscid fossil]

What's the inherent difference

[spiral musk]

they are pokemons

[outer matrix]

Idk too many ultra regionals if that's the case?

[fathom ridge]

“Ultra regionals” sounds awesome

[outer matrix]

There's a youtuber that does make those

[spiral musk]

it would have been cool if beast balls were most effective when used on pokemons in ultra wormholes

[viscid fossil]

is the shiny Tapu Koko from the anime an ultra beast?

[fathom ridge]

Imagine an ultra shuckle based on tardigrades that survive in space

[viscid fossil]

was ash an ultra beast when he was in the shiny Tapu Koko's dimension??

[fathom ridge]

This is getting philosophical

[full bison]

I just hope we can get an ultra beast region at some point cause I do kinda like the idea of a region full of Pokemon that break the typical design ethos

[outer matrix]

Pokemon: Ultra Legends

[patent dagger]

A Pokemon mainline game where none of the pokemon look like pokemon?
Sounds too risky they probably wouldn't do that

[full bison]

It annoys me that Pokemon is a franchise that absolutely can afford to take risks but they won't

[viscid fossil]

What does a pokemon look like?

[patent dagger]

How bad SV was when it got out was them taking risks imo

[viscid fossil]

If the ubs dropped as normal Pokémon would we really question like half of them

[patent dagger]

Not like a paper man or a literal building
Usually

[patent dagger]

Imo only nihilego doesn't look so off

[full bison]

Xurkitree would become almost as if not more contentious than Garbodor

"it's just a bunch of wires!"

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kartana-rules-of-nature-ultra-sun-and-ultra-moon-metal-gear-rising-naganadel-gif-27083493

[outer matrix]

I think it's been said that ultra beasts purposefully break design rules (including the "this doesn't look like a Pokémon) already set in place

[full bison]

And that's exactly why I love them so much. They're some of the most unique Pokemon in the series because of how many rules they ignore

[outer matrix]

Theoretically, anything could be an ultra beast if you can design one to look unnatural

[viscid fossil]

"new ultra beast" and it's just blue eyes white dragon

[marble meadow]

if not this years then maybe somtime around next year or much later kartana can work for origami fusions

[bronze barn]

Poipole won fr

[bronze barn]

ok but the more interesting question for me

how would ultra beast look AS normal pokemon

[marble meadow]

nah 500 is a oc ub

[bronze barn]

don't forget they evolved to become themselves

is old Poipole Posion/Bug?

or something

[marble meadow]

sadge the main games dont have more ubs

[bronze barn]

we need to see ultra beasts before they became ultra

[marble meadow]

anyway i think saturday or sunday final reveal

[full bison]

UBs are apparently tied to Gen 7s themes of belonging and environmentalist message, so I'm not sure when they can be reintroduced with new additions

[marble meadow]

so far i know its a 1 stage mon for the last slot could be anything

[shadow kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[marble meadow]

i know who 500 is its captain pikachu

[unkempt kernel]

Nah it’s the squirrel

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-shiny-pokemon-squirrel-gif-26992650

[twin moth]

Really excited for the update, do yall think itll drop around Christmas?

[marble meadow]

mid november or early december is my guess

[outer matrix]

some ultra beasts reuse the same dex description of them having a regular, non ultra counterpart somewhere

[full bison]

I checked and I think it's just saying that they're relatively common fauna (or flora in the case of Kartana, Celesteela, and Xurkitree) in their home dimension, not that there's different variants of them that aren't UBs.

Like how different continents have different wildlife

[viscid fossil]

Reminder that poiple is literally a starter Pokémon

[outer matrix]

oh that makes sense I forgot about that part

[full bison]

I'd love to see a Poipole reveal that starts off like the typical "choose one of these three Pokeballs as your starter" spiel, only for two of them to float off like ||the Jirachi dream sequence in this game,|| leaving only a Pokeball with Poipole inside

[inland jewel]

which begs the question who are the other two starter pokemon

[fathom ridge]

starters bait, cruel lol

[outer matrix]

that's kind of difficult to find since not a lot of types can make a balanced type trio

[full bison]

The only one that can be formed with Poison is Poison>Ground>Grass

[unkempt kernel]

Well I’d assume one would be a psychic mon to counter poipole’s poison

[outer matrix]

I was about to say that, but yeah that fits

[trail hull]

when they took risk (gen 5 ) it got a lot of backlah and poor sales

[outer matrix]

if no weaknesses are allowed but the trio needs to be balanced a bit, I guess poison, ice and electric could work

all 3 give a neutral damage amount to each other (1x)

[unkempt kernel]

Poipole being dragon does cause a few issues

[outer matrix]

yikes

[viscid fossil]

Who's to say that every ultra beast has typings we know of?

[unkempt kernel]

True ye

[outer matrix]

surprisingly, there isnt an ultra beast that has a: Normal, Water, Ground, Psychic, Ice, or Fairy type yet

[ember bear]

would be funny if they just don't make a normal ultra beast

if they ever make more that is

[outer matrix]

To me, the most interesting would be a fairy type ultra beast because of what could it be?

[full bison]

I wanna see a water UB that's just a massive leviathan.

[worn eagle]

Wdym

[full bison]

Poipole is described as being the Ultra Space equivalent of a starter

[marble meadow]

poision dragon is a good typing especialy poision against fairy types

[full bison]

Naganadel is straight up broken partially because of how dang good Poison/Dragon is

[worn eagle]

Okk

Ty

[marble meadow]

also there only a few unused dual types like poision ice i think but i wait for a better poision or ice mon in if

[full bison]

The only Ice types left to add are Avalugg, Cryogonal, Abomasnow, Beartic, Vanilluxe, and Crabominable. Out of those I'd struggle to call any of them better than Ice options like Weavile and Mamoswine

[ember bear]

cryogonal is fast!

don't really care about the rest

[tired kraken]

If/when we get another batch of additions, I really hope Heliolisk, Zeraora, or Vikavolt are a part of it, cause even though Electric's one of my favorite types, I don't really vibe with a lot of them

[full bison]

Electric types are cool when they're not Pikaclones

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt, yeah!

[trail hull]

every batch there's more chance that your favorite (from before gen 8) gets in

[fathom ridge]

That’s true, everyone will win one day

[trail hull]

this batch gave us a good variety (and ignored gen 4 sadly)

[unkempt kernel]

Hence why pachirisu will be the 500th pokemon

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[fathom ridge]

Exploud could have been cool

[unkempt kernel]

Carries gen 4

[hot hamlet]

The year is 2049. The final Pokémon has been added to PIF. The game now holds all Pokémon from Gens 1-7.
Frog then makes an announcement: “I will be adding only Gen 8-9 to the game now”
People immediately begin clamoring for their favorites from Gen 15

[full bison]

One day, Mienshao and Nihilego, one day...

[fathom ridge]

Yeah it’s kinda funny that game freak adds Pokemons faster that frog does

Actually do they

Someone has to run the numbers

[trail hull]

counterpoint , it's a whle gaming studio and frog is one person

[fathom ridge]

Still funny that IF will never be completed

[full bison]

Anyone got any suggestions for a fusion I can draw up? I'm sitting here sick in bed and wanna do something so I'm not so idle

[trail hull]

we are at halfway mark with sprites and we're going dast

[hot hamlet]

Closer to 60%

[trail hull]

for exampel this month we have jsut a bit less then 4k sprite

[fathom ridge]

Magnezone body

[tired kraken]

I'm just happy Gourgeist got added (though I hope more people realize its potential for fun Halloween sprites)

[trail hull]

scrafty head

[fathom ridge]

Pumpkins are awesome

[full bison]

Gourgeist, Slurpuff, Scrafty, and Minior are all such amazing additions to this game. So many new aesthetics

[hot hamlet]

You y that like I don’t want a Halloween theme next year

[unkempt kernel]

I mean I did request a “Halloween” ref alt for it (Technically it’s a guilty gear ref but the character is Halloween themed)

[tired kraken]

Also, I hope it gets shiny color alts, cause Gourgeist's shiny is top tier

[hot hamlet]

Murkrow/Gardevoir=Plague Doctor. I know Breloom has one too.so one of those works.
Add Swirlix and Gourgeist for pumpkin and treats, and I’ll just need 2 more costumes and a Trick mon

And lo and behind, the theme fornSpriteober day 31 is Trick or Treat!

[trail hull]

sluruff was very cool for the desserts

[unkempt kernel]

Maybe zoroark for the trick mon?

[hot hamlet]

I’ll fully build the theme sometime around next summer but yeah

[trail hull]

finally I won't hae to find a godo mon to fuse with slurpuff , I can pick a random one

[hot hamlet]

I gots plans

Plus now I need another Food run since we got Cake Puppy and the capacity for Pumpkin Pie

As I promised

The Wheel grows

[tired kraken]

I'm definitely doing an all-Gourgeist run when the full update comes out

[full bison]

The size variance of Gourgeist really makes it a versatile Mon for an all-(x) run

[dusty arrow]

reshiram:

[full bison]

I drew up Fusions for Minior/Starmie and Just now realized that the naming scheme might mean they'd be called Minimie. Something about that just amuses me

[dusty arrow]

minimie?

make it a mini shiny naganadel as a reference to your pfp lmao

[inland jewel]

doesn't starmie learn minimize?

[full bison]

Staryu does at level 16

[velvet root]

You like Poipole too?

[compact orbit]

And then starmie proceeds to learn absolutely nothing because “haha funny stone made me STRONK”

[full bison]

Poipole's pretty neat.

I feel like a better joke alt for the "Minimie" name would be something like Red and Leafs overworld sprites. Having it be a reference to someones pfp is a little too in-jokey.

[velvet root]

Tympole too?

You see what I did there
The fusion would keep the heads name

[full bison]

I forget about the seismitoad line sometimes but that's a pretty cute fusion

Poison Touch would be interesting to work with. Not sure we have that ability in the game yet

[velvet root]

I like Seismi line

[velvet root]

Muk as HA I think

[full bison]

Just checked and that's right. Didn't realize because I mostly just like the Alola variant that won't be added

Which also gets that ability but I figured it was tied to those poison crystals so I didn't consider it on the base form

[velvet root]

Someone said it has a Toad face

https://tenor.com/view/toad-toad-mario-shiver-shivering-gif-27501849

[outer matrix]

It has a Toad face

[gray vine]

and a toad body

[gray vine]

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bup-toad-what-gmod-gif-3099993473198036562

[ocean lark]

its name is tympole

[hot hamlet]

Any beta players here who like the poke hats mechanic? May want to vote on this

#game-suggestions message

[gray vine]

i think it be nice if it would work like the Visual Contest in Diamond, where you can just place the Clothing on the Sprite yourself and it stayed there

of course this would be a challenge to make...maybe but it be fun

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-monday-morning-tired-coffee-break-gif-2041733600281028427

[outer matrix]

can you make a tympole Toad fusion

[prime dust]

#sprite-requests

[spice sage]

That's how it works though. Unless I'm misunderstanding

[gray vine]

i havent seen the feature myself, all i saw are the images and there it just looked like you select a hat and it just gets put on by the game itself

[viscid fossil]

you get only get one hat at a time, but you can put it wherever

so you can do things like make a bandana out of a ||drying pan||

[gray vine]

ah niice

then sorry for assuming how it works

[inland jewel]

thinking about it, seismitoad would be a neat addition

poison touch more accessible and more options for fire/ground water absorb mons

not in this update but in a future one

[hot hamlet]

How difficult would my suggestion of having a “flip hat horizontally” button be? I don’t want to be a bother but some sprites don’t really work with a left-facing hat

[alpine rune]

I haven't played the beta, but can you edit the costume files?

Or add them

[hot hamlet]

[alpine rune]

Like add another folder

Cuz I want a Pokémon specific costume set

[hot hamlet]

I just know you can place them on a mon and position them up down left or right, but the hat will always face left

[alpine rune]

Like make only for pokemon

Itll be cute I think

It'll be like Pokémon Unite costumes

[brittle crow]

Why make it poke only

But yes you can edit the costume files (images), but careful you don't step on ppls toes

[alpine rune]

Sorry I'm a clumsy walker

[alpine rune]

Cuz

[brittle crow]

Ya but why lock it to poke only instead of putting it on both

[marble meadow]

hmm Wonder if there customs from battle revolution and unite

In the if update

[hazy fable]

??

ohhh costumes

[marble meadow]

yeah for the mons and mc

[hexed agate]

You can always make poke only stuff for yourself and swap out a different hat

[clear lichen]

Why would one lock the Choice drip to specifically Dnite and Flutter Mane

Oh wait you meant for all Pokemon only

Eh even then

I dont see much of a point only locking it to Pokemon

[alpine rune]

No im just wondering if i can add another folder and it would read the files there

[alpine rune]

cuz I want to look fancy

[clear lichen]

I'm not entirely sure how adding stuff to IF works

The extent of what I know to do is adding sprites

:/

[brittle crow]

It wouldn't be as easy as adding the folder and expecting the item to be there.

You would need to add it to the item pool, a way to acquire the item, and more

but you can take any piece of clothing or hat or hair you may not want and replace it with whatever you want

Because those things are already properly set up in the game, and are just displaying the images once set up

[brittle crow]

ding

[alpine rune]

Yea my thoughts are since this is like adding another sprite, it would just appear Yknow

[velvet root]

You guys think we get a reveal for Halloween today

[alpine rune]

I highly doubt it though

[velvet root]

Would be fun tho

[alpine rune]

I might be wrong

But it's a welcome one

Not that it matters since the reveals always happens when I sleep

Bets on Carpink reveal

1. Carpink
2. Lava frog
3. Druddigon

[velvet root]

Would love all 3 options

I expect
Diancie
Victini
Furfrou
One of those

[patent dagger]

I don't think so cus diancie isn't Halloween themed

And we already got 2 lines announced for that

[velvet root]

Its more about Halloween being a special day not what it stands for

Also you can dress up as a princess on Halloween

[deft obsidian]

Spinda is Halloween themed?

[patent dagger]

I don't think thats quite enough to make it Halloween

Anyway as long as its diancie I don't really mind if they announced her as Halloween...

[deft obsidian]

Will be funny if they add luvdisc

[patent dagger]

I wouldn't find it funny personally

I would be crying.

[deft obsidian]

Exactly , it's funny because others crying for wasted slot

[patent dagger]

You are saying you'll enjoy my suffering?

[deft obsidian]

I mean we got bruxish

[patent dagger]

Honestly I don't think magearna is an option so if it isn't diancie...
If it isn't Diancie but victini I could accept that at least it makes some sense
Anything else I probably won't
Still diancie makes the most sense, has much better fusion potential, fits the game as carbink is already in...
I just think diancie is overall the best option

[patent dagger]

Yes and I hate it so much

One of my least favorite mons

I literally would've preferred they didn't add anything instead of having that added

[deft obsidian]

A lot of people hate it, there wasn't even contest for bruxish,nobody use it in playthrough

[patent dagger]

Im just hoping they wont actually repeat something like that

[trail hull]

apparently the joke mon si torkoal because of the torkoal goin ginto the water gif

[eager jungle]

[trail hull]

also here is my opinion for last slot:

-most likely: diancie
-dream:luvdisc
-unlikely but makes sense:furfrou
-symbolism: victiny

[eager jungle]

or

there won't be a 500th

[deft obsidian]

Missing slot forever?

[spice sage]

I like the way you think

[patent dagger]

[trail hull]

Better , we vote to remove one mon from the game

[patent dagger]

What if 500th wasn't a pokemon
Instead it could be a robot with a soul heart

[patent dagger]

Bruxish.

[west sonnet]

Thing is that Bruxish has so much good art

[trail hull]

and it got a lot of art suddenly

[alpine rune]

just remove charizard

overrated af imo

No wait-

[alpine rune]

Remove Gardevoir. We get more slots AND decrease the amount of sprites by 40%

[viscid fossil]

Name one other mon that can get sucker punch immunity

[alpine rune]

We kill 2 birds with 1 stone

[patent dagger]

No.

[patent dagger]

Tsareena

[proud bluff]

Psychic terrain

[patent dagger]

Talking like stopping sucker punch is something so incredible that we absolutely need bruxish for it

[west sonnet]

Like ok, realistically the newest mon with the lowest use/art is Oricorio

And it uses four whole slots

[patent dagger]

Im okay with replacing it with floette line and eternal floette

[prime dust]

that may change with minior

having to make 2 sprites per mon

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-happy-dance-hyper-gif-25491309

[prime dust]

it'll certainly partly kill the desire for sprites for it

[alpine rune]

cmon, who needs 7 alts for gardevoir charizard anyways

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-me-raise-hand-hi-nick-jonas-gif-16491413

[alpine rune]

Sprite pack bloat is a massive issue right now

You guys just dont see the vision

[west sonnet]

good

[prime dust]

i remember someone saying that was going to get worked on

[west sonnet]

I want 100% completion

[west sonnet]

Shiny alts being trimmed will help

[prime dust]

that basically there'd just be 1 main sprite per fusion and the remaining alts would get shoved into a separate spritepack

[brittle crow]

Who ends up deciding what the default custom sprite is, or is it just in order of when it was added?

[alpine rune]

Too much work, it'll be faster if we just

Remove 50% of the sprites because of gardevoir alts

[prime dust]

for mons that don't have alts it'd be easy; for stuff with alts, it'll likely be either whatever is currently listed as the main via daena, or the sprite managers [and frog] will figure out which sprite best represents that fusion and make that the main

[alpine rune]

not sure now, it used to be a vote, then the current version becomes that no sprite is main because you get to choose your sprite in game instead of having to go to pokedex

General consensus is that reference and jokes are always alts (unless its the only custom in the game) and would never appear in the wild (i think)

[prime dust]

^

[brittle crow]

ah i was thinking more like the first sprite that comes up even before getting the option to choose

like when you get a first time fusion and both are greyed out

[prime dust]

the problem there is that is random

[brittle crow]

ic

[prime dust]

at least for mons with like a bunch of alts

[spice sage]

There's no default sprite per se. The game picks one at random between the ones marked as main

[prime dust]

we're more talking about the whole "trimming the sprites to cut down on bloat" thing, how would it be determined then

[spice sage]

Sprite managers do

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-5958854468941694453

[alpine rune]

You guys just dont see the wide picture
We remove gardevoir, we get a 4 slot pokemon, and we removed a sprite bloat problem significantly

[prime dust]

no

[west sonnet]

This is collectively why I only sprite mons with no sprites

[patent dagger]

Im okay with reducing alts on gardevoir and sylveons
Removing the mon is too much tho

[west sonnet]

with like, two exceptions

[alpine rune]

JEsus it keeps on going

That blue part is 50 results of gardevoir

[west sonnet]

I am but a humble Kabuto farmer

[alpine rune]

[west sonnet]

Farming my humble Kabuto sprites

[patent dagger]

Gardevoir might not even the mon with most alts

[alpine rune]

I dont wanna spend my time on researching it

but considering that if you presumably completed every non custom sprites to be a totaled sum of like 940 currently, over 1000 is just telling

[patent dagger]

Anyway there is a lot of things managers will go through before they would need to start removing proper sprites

[fallen loom]

it's Bulbasaur because first

[alpine rune]

yknow what I'll humor you

[patent dagger]

So its like 300 extra mains
I don't think thats a lot

Or are you saying the 1000 is the extras

[alpine rune]

actually nevermind

[patent dagger]

Bruh
First mon you checked had the same results...

[alpine rune]

tbf i cant count the exact number with this browser

[fallen loom]

lol

[alpine rune]

Prolly bias talking here but considering a lot of gardevoir fusions have like 5-7 alts per fully evolved fusion, i dont think its an extra 300

And I scrolled down way longer in gardevoir than i do with bulba

[patent dagger]

Anyway I can see putting a limit to mains per fusion makes sense but u can't just remove already existing mains just cus you don't like it

[fallen loom]

or even stop adding more if more beta leaks come out and you want beta Bulba/Gardevoir or something

[patent dagger]

5-7 mains is probably not even on that many mons
Probably just other popular mons that fused with garde

[patent dagger]

Wdym

[fallen loom]

adding alts for beta versions of Pokémon

[alpine rune]

I used Microsoft Edge, its 1930 sprites as of the current version

[fallen loom]

so like Blastoise alt with Wartortle's initial evo

[patent dagger]

Well some non fused mons have really random bases
Some self fusions are just beta mons too
I personally wouldn't keep them but

[fallen loom]

I like the beta mon though!

[patent dagger]

Check Sylveon and glaceon
I remember those having the most bases or something

Might be same for fusions

[alpine rune]

ok hold on

[patent dagger]

Considering sylveon fusions have a lot of flag alts it probably will be a big number...

Check porygon too actually

[fallen loom]

so Minior Core will be another flag mon?

[patent dagger]

Why?

[fallen loom]

is THAT why it's popular?

[fallen loom]

rainbow cores

[patent dagger]

I guess anything colorful can end up being so..?

[fallen loom]

I mean the gay pride flag

[fallen loom]

RIP

[patent dagger]

Minior supposedly has one color per core but when people want to make flags they'll make flags with anything

[fallen loom]

but only pink core is in the game, so someone's going to make an alt where it's rainbow

[alpine rune]

nu uh

Its settled, we remove gardevoir

[patent dagger]

Core form is any cores in general
Probably will get bases of other colors at some point

[patent dagger]

Nah

It isn't even that much ahead of some of these...

[fallen loom]

I just wish core forms were RNG like Pumpkaboo

I think the pink core is dumb

[patent dagger]

Anyway enough about minior and flags

[fallen loom]

should be default

[west sonnet]

We have them in resources

[patent dagger]

If they exist as bases first core you find will be random

[west sonnet]

imo they’re all good except the yellow one, it’s too saturated

[dry cypress]

what the best? genesect + sandslash or drattak + squirtle

[alpine rune]

Yea, 300 more than the [Pride month mon, it should have a lot of fans of it] is "not a lot more"

Actually i wonder how many voltorbs there are actually

for the first mon being completed

[fallen loom]

I like the initial Home shiny Minior too

[patent dagger]

...I really don't get your problem with gardevoir

[alpine rune]

damn

[patent dagger]

People sprite Sylveon alts for gay flags
And sprite gardevoir cus they like gardevoir
I really don't get the issue with it

[alpine rune]

tbh i hate gardevoir because of this server

Like

idk its a pet peeve of mine

[fallen loom]

I hate Miltank because of this server

[ember bear]

i hate spheal because of this server

and it's not even in the game

[alpine rune]

Like just around a week ago someone asks "Is there no fairies in the game?" and since he's new he's like very early in pewter so i pointed him towards Clefable, Wigglytuff and idk Mr Mime, the typical early fairies in the game and he never specified he wanted gardevoir like im stupid for not know what he wants

Like you couldve just asked for gardevoir

Btw its very late game, gym 6 at least

[patent dagger]

I don't see why this would mean we should delete gardevoir

[fallen loom]

also they're too late for Gardevoir if they already beat Brock and didn't go to the secret garden

[alpine rune]

Cuz there's a lot of it, its more of a sarcastic joke

[patent dagger]

Does ralts still spawn there?

[fallen loom]

in normal mode

[alpine rune]

secret garden dont have gardevoir no more past v6.0

[fallen loom]

really?

[alpine rune]

yep

check wiki

[fallen loom]

RIP

[alpine rune]

it was replace by mime iirc

[patent dagger]

Oh so it still is a joke
It really was sounding like you weren't joking about removing its sprites

[fallen loom]

eww

Mime Jr. would be more viable if Galarian Mr. Mime was in

[alpine rune]

yeh its replaced by mime

[patent dagger]

I never liked mime and how everyone for whatever reason makes it always cursed just makes me want to never use it tbh

[fallen loom]

me too

[alpine rune]

I wish mr mime has like good physical defense

I wanna use filter ability

[fallen loom]

Mime Jr. more like Mid Jr.

[alpine rune]

I want to make a mega aggron dammit

Steel fairy would be nice

but mime bodies have terrible defense

[patent dagger]

Fairy mons usually are sp oriented

[fallen loom]

just get Eevee and keep for Sylveon

[alpine rune]

wtf

couldve swear aggron mime has a custom

[spare shore]

I LOVEM INIOR GENTINIGONGT IN

[patent dagger]

Cursed as usual

[spare shore]

all my wanted pokemon got in

[fallen loom]

Scraggy got in

was my no. 2 pick

first was the only viable Tough Claws user

[patent dagger]

None of the mons I really wanted got in
Im still hoping for diancie...

[deft obsidian]

Lycanroc dusk?

[fallen loom]

Binacle

[fallen loom]

yeah, sucks

[spare shore]

sadly uh

i very much doubt barbaracle will ever get in

[alpine rune]

imagine if the 500# mon is Dusk Lycan

[deft obsidian]

I like delphox and torkoal

[fallen loom]

Frog really screwed the pooch on this one

[spare shore]

also hi homestuck

[rugged temple]

Tropius last one

[fallen loom]

we got 0 Electric Types, but 10 Grass

[fathom ridge]

Tbf if the game goes for long enough, every Pokemon will be a question of when and not if

[patent dagger]

Could've gotten floette

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt would have been perfect

[fallen loom]

IKR

[trail hull]

gen 8+ be like

[spare shore]

vikavolt wouldve been coolio

[tender plank]

would've preferred vika over ludicolo tbh

[alpine rune]

so we gonna get pachirisu?

[spare shore]

but we got MINIOR...

[fallen loom]

I'd want Vika over Lotad since that line suffers for fusing

[rugged temple]

Could have gotten Claydol but we all have to move on

[spare shore]

YTAAY

[alpine rune]

[spare shore]

MINIOR

[alpine rune]

i dont like vikavolt

[fathom ridge]

I feel like this wasn’t the time to add ludicolo tbh, not that it is a bad Mon tho

[rugged temple]

Minior is fun

[fathom ridge]

[rugged temple]

But we should have already completed the gen3 dex by now

[spare shore]

hot take
gen 3 has some stinkers

[alpine rune]

idk its just

1. I dont like how it plays
2. I dont like how it looks
3. why is it so slow?

[fallen loom]

completion-wise, there are more Gen 4 mon in than Gen 3 going by %

[tender plank]

would you REALLY want fucking volbeat over minor's pure aura

bc i don't

[fathom ridge]

YOU DONT LIKE HOW IT LOOKS?!??

[deft obsidian]

Let's just skip plus and minun

[alpine rune]

I dont like how it looks

Like idk it looks stupid

[deft obsidian]

And volbeat

[fathom ridge]

Look at him

[rugged temple]

No hex but for ANYONE saying komo-o should get in because completion, they should realize that means we should have all of 3 before komo-o

[alpine rune]

Yea I dont like it. The design is very contrast with the body and the claw? ish thing

[fathom ridge]

Well my argument against that is, nuh huh

[rancid nymph]

#1. How dare you
#2. How dare you
#3. Yeah, it’s speed is pretty illogical

[alpine rune]

Feels like theyre trying to make anothe pinsir but gone wrong

[fathom ridge]

True tbh

Grubbin is faster

[fathom ridge]

I think you are the first person I’ve seen that doesn’t like how vikavolt looks

[rugged temple]

We kinda should have had Tropius and Claydol in before gourgeist or slurpuff

[tender plank]

that's bc the pseudos are only like 8 pokemon lines
gen 3 completionist is like 30 lines

[fallen loom]

giant Taser at the front of its body slows it down

[rugged temple]

A small price to pay to dab on psuedo fans

[rancid nymph]

But hey, it can zip around at high speeds and do acrobatic flying maneuvers. Somehow

[fathom ridge]

It’s funny, bc the Pokédex mentions how agile it is

[ember bear]

i wouldn't want either

[spare shore]

i may be biased becasie i hate slurpuff but

[rugged temple]

https://tenor.com/view/perish-finger-snap-thanos-snap-gif-1245492811985936881

[tender plank]

which is why i also unbiasedly am a fossil completionist advocate,
there's only 2 lines for 4 slots to worry about (and not 30 whole lines that would lead to sparcity for the fans of other gens)

[fallen loom]

another case of form vs. function. Samurott has the same issue with how non-defensive it is despite all the armour

[alpine rune]

I dont like how he has no special coverage by level up and even as a trick room enthusiast, this guy is just fragile and i cant make it work in doubles trick room

[ember bear]

well now imma just go against everyone and hope nothing ever gets completed

[deft obsidian]

The only new pokemon I complain about is gen 6 starters before gen 5( I know they had more vote in last year poll but...)

[spare shore]

that speed is NOT good xdddd

[alpine rune]

speaking of trick room why doesnt it get trick room?!

[fathom ridge]

[fallen loom]

because the provo was pure bulk and physical

[alpine rune]

like 43 speed is among the slowest, trick room is perfect for this guy

[ember bear]

why would it get trick room

[spare shore]

bugs trick you

[rugged temple]

Other gen fans have had it too good for too long

[ember bear]

idk i don't think just being slow would be enough to qualify as a trick room setter

[alpine rune]

idk how the hell gyarados learn earthquake but not fly?

it doesnt have to make sense imo

[ember bear]

ehhhhh

[fallen loom]

my theory: Vikavolt can do crazy backslips, but because it's constantly doing them it gets around really slowly

[rugged temple]

Golurk learns fly lol

[ember bear]

golurk does fly so at least it makes sense

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/golurk-pokemon-flying-gif-17647269142480291326

[deft obsidian]

Golurk is gundam thing

[tender plank]

im gonna be honest, i'm a hoenn enjoyer but i DONT see the point with prioritising completing a gen over focusing on all the other ones, there is really no practical reason to focus on hoenn

it's just less fun imo

[ember bear]

yeah

[spare shore]

i HATE people who swear by hoenn

[ember bear]

like i like alola but i am extremely against adding crabominable

[tender plank]

there are plenty of gems in the later gens, let's not ignore them just to 'complete hoenn'

[ember bear]

glazing an entire gen instead of focusing on individual mons is just

lame

[spare shore]

specially when there are a buncha stinkers

[clear lichen]

Yknow, every generation has a lot of gems and a lot of less outstanding Pokemon

[deft obsidian]

Shiftry medichamp myghtyana manectric hariyama

[tender plank]

ima be honest there are ONLY about 3-4 lines from hoenn i would die for to be in the game

[clear lichen]

That's cool and all but I sometimes wonder which of their Pokemon are overrated and which are underrated

[spare shore]

mightyena would be KINDA cool

it does look quite neat

[sullen elbow]

Shiftry is not that bad

[alpine rune]

Mightyena is kinda mid ngl

[rugged temple]

Glazing an entire mon theme instead of finishing a gen is also lame

[alpine rune]

i never even used migtyena

[ember bear]

how?

[rugged temple]

Cough cough PSUEDOS cough cough dragons cough cough etc

[tender plank]

it's really not
not over gen glazing

[alpine rune]

zigzagoon is always there

[fallen loom]

Scraggy would make for a great early-game Dark and Fighting type mon, so Poochyena is kind of overwhelmed here

[ember bear]

a gen is so much more than a little group of mons

[fallen loom]

says the Tortouga fan

[clear lichen]

I could not care less about finishing themes or whatever, what I want in is what I want in and nothing else, in my eyes at least

[ember bear]

same!

[clear lichen]

I mean yeah it is annoying if something is left out of a trend

[rugged temple]

Anyways Claydol and tropius are my whole reason for wanting the rest of gen3

[clear lichen]

But like

For example

If Illumise is in the game and Volbeat is not

That's gonna be pretty annoying

To me at least

[fallen loom]

3 mon? Only 3?? That's why???

[clear lichen]

But that doesn't mean I'll vote Volbeat

[full bison]

All I want are unique Pokemon that add unique ideas to the game. Stuff like Mienshao and Bronzong

[deft obsidian]

I wanted serperior but won't happened anymore

[rugged temple]

Volbeat and illumise are dumb but the body fusions could be good

[fallen loom]

I want ugly Binacle so we get TOUGH CLAWS

[full bison]

If Volbeat and Illumise get added, Manaphy and/or Xurkitree better be around the corner cause I am not fusing with Volbeat just for Tail Glow

[tender plank]

oh yeah and i want tirtouga so we should TOTALLY just get the entirety of unova next batch
it's just kinda awful reasoning to ask for a whole gen just bc of one or 2 mons

[rugged temple]

UB never ever

[alpine rune]

I just want the tapus for surge abilities

[rugged temple]

I also hold gen3 is my top 3 gens so that's all the reason I need and I'm not really asking for your opinion on it

[deft obsidian]

I like how nobody likes genies

[clear lichen]

Hey guys I want Frosmoth do they should add all of Gen 8, I don't care that it isn't possible they should do it anyways (/j, if it wasn't obvious enough)

(I seriously doubt everyone would've got the joke if I didn't include the /j)

[ember bear]

i would be happy if they added frosmoth without the rest of gen 8

[rugged temple]

Now now no need for sarcasm

[clear lichen]

Frosmoth is so peak

[fallen loom]

I want the Gen 8 fossils only

[full bison]

I like the Therian forms, but the Incarnate forms add so little

[rugged temple]

Deflate a little bit oi

[cedar path]

dragapult is peak tho

how could you not like it

[clear lichen]

Simply add them in only their therian forms frfr

[ember bear]

ok dragapult gets a pass

[clear lichen]

We did it for Giratina surely we can do it here

[cedar path]

lmao

[spare shore]

what have the devs said about any ultrabeasts?

[clear lichen]

Idk