pif-hoenn-discussion

[rugged temple]

"teehee I don't have a challenge so help me make lunch for these strays that wandered over to me"

I will burn that forest down

[full bison]

I like a lot of Gen 9 mons, but it does have its fair share of duds. I adore Lokix and Glimmora, bus stuff like Squawkabilly is just there to be there

[rugged temple]

I liked X-Y because there was more stuff going on in the background than most other games

[fallen loom]

at least to grind for materials you don't need to fight Pokémon, you can just have your mon auto battle them

[hot hamlet]

And the flamingo

[rugged temple]

Finding AZ in the laser jail cell and telling you what the stakes REALLY are? Top tier

[fallen loom]

Squawkabilly is basically a worse Oricorio

[hot hamlet]

Wasted potential the mon

[rugged temple]

Flamigo was funny, it needed an evo and it could have been my next skarmory

[full bison]

I don't think I can ever let Gamefreak live down the Flamingo Mon they designed for XY that they never added

[fallen loom]

what makes Flamigo worse is that it's actually good

[hot hamlet]

Nah. Bombirdier was meant to be the new Skarmory

[full bison]

And instead they gave us a plastic toy

[fallen loom]

so you have to see its lazy butt before DLC

[hot hamlet]

Leaving Flamigo just… there

[rugged temple]

Oh right. Bombordier .....what was that again

[fallen loom]

Flying/Dark

[hot hamlet]

The flying Titan

[rugged temple]

No I mean what is it

[fallen loom]

a bird

a stalk

[hot hamlet]

Albatross

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-bombirdier-friday-gif-4841562312281585546

[fallen loom]

no it's a stalk

[rugged temple]

.....that's an albatross????????

[fallen loom]

IT'S A STALK

[full bison]

Remember what Gamefreak took from us

[rugged temple]

That's a heron

Not an albatross

[hot hamlet]

I’m going to Bogleech for the confirmation on Soecies

[fallen loom]

but Bombirdeer has the baby carring thing that stalks have in cartoons

[rugged temple]

That is a very cool flamingo

Stork.

That.....that's a stork.

[fallen loom]

stalk, stork, said the same

[rugged temple]

I.....

No

[fallen loom]

ok I'm tired

[hot hamlet]

Yep

[fallen loom]

at least I didn't say albatross

[hot hamlet]

Yeah? Well…

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-season-7-whelk-attack-patrick-blowing-raspberries-gif-12634025882644881737

[fallen loom]

we have had a heron before, as I think Skarmory was meant to be one

also whatever hodgepodge Fearow is

[hot hamlet]

That I can’t confirm as Bog just says it reminds him of Gyaos from Gamera

[full bison]

I think Skarmory is supposed to reference a metal bird that Heracles was tasked with slaying?

[hot hamlet]

Mixed with Zigra also from Gamera

[fallen loom]

Skarmory IS a crane

[hot hamlet]

The Stymphalian birds were traditionally ravens (or Corvids in general) that were bronze. Maybe?

[rugged temple]

Stymphalians makes sense

Also maybe a peregrine falcon because of the speed

[fallen loom]

`Skarmory has much in common with the Andean condor and cranes, birds that are held in high esteem in Japan. It is also similar to many mythological, metallic birds such as the Stymphalian birds, the Gagana, and the Alicanto. In addition, its design resembles a wyvern.

Its concept could also be a pun on 鶴 tsuru (crane), referencing a paper crane, and 剣 tsurugi (sword). Its wings also resemble a Japanese paper hand fan. `

[hot hamlet]

Ik Stymphalians. Wonder what the other two in that sentence are?

But I refuse to say it resembles a Wyvern

As a dragon fan, Wyvern have bat-like wings, not feathers.
They traditionally have two limbs (as Skarmory does) but they are draconic, not bird limbs.

[fallen loom]

funny because it STARTS a rockslide

[hot hamlet]

Which is the smoller?

[eager jungle]

joltik², also, don't forget that #fusions exist

[hot hamlet]

Channel is dead, people were here earlier
Also I have Joltik squared already locked away (or I’d use it on Joltik/Celebi for best Bi

[rugged temple]

I answered in there earlier when you asked there

[hot hamlet]

I posted here lol

[rugged temple]

[hot hamlet]

Also this is building for a future team, so one decision still leaves 5 others

[alpine rune]

Well 5 hours has passed and

[primal light]

This cool right ._.

[alpine rune]

we're getting vanillish right?

[round light]

No, we're getting Exploud (I'm in denial)

[eager jungle]

no

we're getting, one to three pokémons

[round light]

SO EXPLOUD IS STILL AN OPTION?!

Pleaseeee let it be Exploud, i beg of you

[eager jungle]

[round light]

I NEED him in the game...

[eager jungle]

[round light]

It's not him, is it?

[eager jungle]

idk x)

[round light]

You do!😡😔

It's okay, I'll wait!

[eager jungle]

i wish i do

[round light]

I just know it'll be the Whismur line so it's okay

[hidden relic]

This weekend is exciting

[round light]

I'm sure of that!

Because Exploud will be added!

[bronze barn]

Poipole fr

[wraith geode]

got bored and started looking through files
now how do you unlock THESE hairstyles?

woah that rhymed

[steel meadow]

i feel like meloetta might be involved somehow

[wraith geode]

probably

(also im gonna spoiler this coz yeah)

||they both have unique colours||

[eager jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-gif-22444345

[unique flame]

what my renata is doing in the new pif channel

[wraith geode]

i wantthem but idk how to get them

[wide merlin]

if someone do a miku hair with the style of deoxys , it can be awesome

[unique flame]

i almost sure theres already a miky deoxys

[silent acorn]

There is one

[swift bison]

Seedot line for the win!

[inland jewel]

for the next line i seriously hope we get a sinnoh mon

only 1 line from sinnoh has been added in 6 years

Gen 3: 10
Gen 4: 1
Gen 5: 4
Gen 6: 12
Gen 7: 11
Lines added since Dex expansion last year

with 3 slots remaining

[wide merlin]

cresselia and froslass not one pokemon from sinnoh

but it's true than sinnnoh and unova don't have many pokemon since the last maj

[inland jewel]

snorunt is originally from Hoenn so i counted it there

and Cresselia is Sinnoh's 1

[wide merlin]

i don't think than a pokemon with two evolution or one evolution came from sinnoh, i think one from victini ( for explain the skip from the starter gen 5 waited by many person) and one pokemon with one evolution or two pokemon without evolution

with 3 slot , i can't see anything but it's a chance for two pokemon from sinnoh

[inland jewel]

Sinnoh has a ton of good 2 stage pokemon

like i'd be fine with Vespiquen, Toxicroak or Hippowdon

[wide merlin]

drapion too

[inland jewel]

yee

Gastrodon is also absent

[wide merlin]

and lumineon !!

[inland jewel]

I love Lumineon but we already have like 80 water types in the game

[wide merlin]

it's the only pokemon than i waited since i played to this game and i wait always for this pokemon

but ti's not for this maj for lumineon

[inland jewel]

Lumineon is neat, my fav is Purugly and i know its not getting in anytime soon

[wide merlin]

it's like skitty and delcaty or tailow

their have a little chance but for future maj

if we have a look from the pokemon leaked, any pokemon with the type normal are present

one can to be leak for the maj

[full bison]

Bronzong would be cool to see added. It could give cool patterns and Heatproof/Levitate alongside Steel type to create some solid defensive fusions

[spare shore]

who is the tiniest tinyer

also i want minior in the game!!!!!!!!

[molten loom]

Joltik

[spare shore]

RAAAHHH

[full bison]

If we're talking tiny things that haven't been added, then it's Cutiefly

Or Flabébé

[eager jungle]

easier way to visualise

[silent acorn]

FAIRlY Common

To be fair

I would be happy with more fairies

[full bison]

We do apparently have a dearth of high statted Fairies, so a couple more would be good

[velvet root]

Melo and Lucha have the wrong colors I think

You did sort it after gen right?

[eager jungle]

ah yeah, hawlucha and meloetta are swapped colors x)

well, doesn't change much x)

[silent acorn]

So now that ludicolo is in...

[full bison]

Funny enough, I think that Carbink is the fairy that has the stats that scale the best into the IF postgame. Especially if fused with Aegislash

[eager jungle]

too bad we don't have 4 slots left

because accelgor/escavalier would be sick

[full bison]

I think the two could be added separately cause they were portrayed as separate options in the poll

Their evolutions would probably be made into Linking Chord evos like all the rest of the trade evos

[eager jungle]

yeah but they're litteraly a duo in mainline

plus their evo could be like having a <counterpart> in party and reach lvl 30 or smthing like this

[full bison]

I suppose we really can't tell until Frog decides to add one/both lines

[silent acorn]

I think only Camerupt, Manetric and maybe Medicham or Hariyama have an actual chance from Gen 3

Me i dont care about manetric

Nor grumpig

Definitely not Grumpig

Plusle and minun are...

Well they are the underdog desperate people pick for sure

Clamperl is kinda neat but not enough there

Skitty is cute but goddamn is it underwhelming

Duxtox is just less powered Venomoth

Beautifly is nicer looking than Butterfree but its eh... Pretty weak too

[full bison]

Dustox and beautifly can't be added anyway cause they're 5 slots

[silent acorn]

Not now or ever

Forget about it

Seriously one addition event goes away just on those

Don't let that nostalgia blind you, they don't have that much

Heck atleast vivillion has multi color and better stuff for building

Then let's see Gen 3... Well Tropius is the nostalgia choice

No opposition huh?

[quaint matrix]

I'd like to offer a sequence

Furfrou

And the Diggersby line

Done

I of course also would want Meditite and Flabebe line here but mainly those two first

[silent acorn]

Only for the Huge Power and Huge Chungus memes

[quaint matrix]

Yes actually

[silent acorn]

People seriously don't know the potential this mon holds

[quaint matrix]

Yeah haha I was totally thinking about the aesthetics and not the fact that Fur Coat is an absurd ability saddled on a Mono Normal type

But no yeah the fur sprites are gonna go so hard especially if people just get creative with the base and that's a lot already

Nevermind the obvious plays like Pharaoh Furfrou/Cofagrigus or Star Furfrou/Starmie or whatever

[full bison]

Furfrou/Cofagrigus with Fur Coat sounds like a horrifying wall

[quaint matrix]

That was exactly what I had in mind yes

There's also Furfrou/Gliscor

Furfrou/Toxapex

Just a lot really

[full bison]

Gliscor is mostly good cause of Poison Heal, so maybe not that, but making Toxapex sponge more damage is a scary thought

Honestly I wonder if Furfrou's stats get boosted up enough by fusion to get the ability banned in Showdown like it tends to be in Hackmon formats

[quaint matrix]

I mean not Furfrou itself

Maybe just Fur Coat gets banned

Like how Azumarill isn't banned but Huge Power is

Yeah

Oh huh I could've sworn Furfrou has a hidden ability

No I think Furfrou is banned to Ubers lmao

[full bison]

Unless Frog gives Furfrou a new HA like he tends to do with one-ability mons, but Fur Coat could be considered a big enough part of it's identity for him to decide not to

[quaint matrix]

It's giving Dhelmise I doubt Frog thinks Furfrou could have anything else besides Fur Coat

[coarse karma]

inb4 it's Snover as much as im praying for victini to get in

[bronze barn]

I mean, shaymin would be awesome

I love shaymin

[full bison]

If it is Snover that still leaves a slot for Victini

[bronze barn]

although

[coarse karma]

its gonna be shaymin and victini

[bronze barn]

snover is like

[inland jewel]

as much as I hate Snover, I'd allow it for more Sinnoh Rep

[bronze barn]

wait

IT CAN BE SNOVER

[inland jewel]

it would also allow us a Snow Warning mon that isn't HA

[bronze barn]

I mean, remember what they did with bruxish?

[coarse karma]

we need another ice type

[bronze barn]

[inland jewel]

we can get Cryogonal or Crabominable for that

since Speedy ice type and more Fighting types

though we already got like 3 this patch so maybe next time

[bronze barn]

that'd be awesome, but I doubt we're getting more than 1 mythical

[full bison]

Funny thing about Snover is, if it's added, that one double battle couple south of Goldenrod can finally have a team properly consisting of Together and Forrever.

[silent acorn]

Its a really simple ability easy to code, add

Fit with the customization... Literally Furfrou was released alongside the XY customization

[silent acorn]

AH ITS TRUE

[bronze barn]

fur coat and fluffy

[silent acorn]

Foretress/Snover Togetic/Snover

[quaint matrix]

What you don't want to play IF-exclusive Snow Warning Delibird?

[bronze barn]

honestly

[silent acorn]

Abomasnow needs a buff

[inland jewel]

between the two HA snow warning mons I'd use Aurorus anyday

[bronze barn]

Snover's type isn't as hindering now with fusions

[inland jewel]

Delibird is ick

[bronze barn]

so we could have grass/steel

it'd steel not be hurt by snow warning.

[silent acorn]

Fire/Grass

[bronze barn]

y'all got my joke

[full bison]

Steel types take damage from hail

[bronze barn]

steel

haha

hahahahahahahahaha

[bronze barn]

wait they do?

[quaint matrix]

Imma be real

[fallen loom]

Scraggy is before Lotad in dex

[quaint matrix]

I'd love it if Frog just rogue updates Hail to Snow

[full bison]

Only Ice is immune to hail, it's a big reason it's such a bad weather before it got replaced

[quaint matrix]

The fact that it took this long for GF to realize how much of a flop Hail was is so

[full bison]

And now we have Snow which is arguably broken

[quaint matrix]

You guys know that Blizzard getting 100% accuracy on Hail wasn't even a thing until Gen 4?

[bronze barn]

I thought steel was immune to it

but I am dumb

I am big dumb

[full bison]

Steel really should have been Hail immune

[silent acorn]

Ice/Flying

Abomasnow

[quaint matrix]

Ehhhhhhhh it's basically on the same level as Sandstorm imo

[silent acorn]

Birdo

[silent acorn]

Speed plus SPATK

Abomasnow/Noctowl

[quaint matrix]

What?

[bronze barn]

honestly

I hope for mienshao

[fallen loom]

we need more Ice types, since most left would make for cool fusions

[bronze barn]

give us mienshao

[silent acorn]

Crap

[eager jungle]

i've only put background on it x)

[silent acorn]

Abomasnow is head first grass

[full bison]

Mienshao is a top pick for me but I wonder how likely it is after Scrafty was added

[silent acorn]

Highly

Very stylish slick mon

If Salazzle can so can Mienshao

Actually

[bronze barn]

we need more fighting types anyway

[silent acorn]

[bronze barn]

double heehee

[quaint matrix]

I'm thinking more Ice types

Like

Ice types Ice types

[bronze barn]

we got almost all of em by now no?

there's like

[fallen loom]

Fighting is the only type with less than 50% of the in the game

[bronze barn]

beartic

[quaint matrix]

No

[bronze barn]

avalaug

abomasnow

[quaint matrix]

I want my ice creams

[bronze barn]

and the ice cream

[silent acorn]

Guess what

[full bison]

Beartic would be cool if people behaved themselves with it's snot motif and Slush Rush was fixed

[silent acorn]

The hype

Is

REAL

[full bison]

Beartic would also make other Ice types better because it could pass Icicle Crash on to Weavile and (I think) Mamoswine

[bronze barn]

I still cannot believe jangmo-o won

I was a kommo-o supporter

buf after spriting it...

no more

[full bison]

Pseudo legend bias

[fallen loom]

Drillbur feels like it should have been in already for a long time

[bronze barn]

NO MORE SCALES

ION WANNA

[silent acorn]

You guys are really trying to ignore the real hype

[bronze barn]

I don't want salandit and salazzle

[quaint matrix]

Salazzle?

[bronze barn]

yk how much rule 2 it's gonna cause

[quaint matrix]

I mean I'm excited for her but also

It's Salazzle

You think Mope7 and Jynx was blursed

Imagine Mope7 and Salazzle

[full bison]

Salazzle gives such a great color scheme when the spriters behave themselves

Hot pink on black is so cool

[bronze barn]

I'd be spriting salandits

[silent acorn]

Too bad the people do

[fallen loom]

there should be PG only sprites and the stupid looking ones like everything to do with MILTANK should be alts only

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fire-pokemon-salandit-sun-gif-13428080

I like salandit

can tell gonna be very fun to make a rockruff fusion with it

[full bison]

Tsareena's another Pokemon that would give amazing fusions but also gets bogged down by people acting unwise

[quaint matrix]

I mean the silver lining is Salazzle can now be dudes so like

Yknow

[bronze barn]

let's gooo

femboys

[quaint matrix]

Well i guess that kinda makes it worse lmao

[eager jungle]

komala would be great too

[bronze barn]

oo yeah

comatose is a fun ability too!

[fallen loom]

Komala is slot 626

[quaint matrix]

Comatose is sick but I still can't fathom what usage it is for

[bronze barn]

THINK OF ALL THE MONS THAT WOULD LOVE THE SLEEP TALK LAST RESORT

[wide merlin]

one legendary or fabulous take one slot , it's sure , diancie or victini

[quaint matrix]

Besides that cheese I guess

[bronze barn]

[full bison]

Being immune to status is fun

[bronze barn]

you also cannot status someone

[eager jungle]

i'll love toxicroak or shiinotic

[bronze barn]

I would love

[quaint matrix]

Wait I thought that just meant Komala can't sleep

[bronze barn]

Mienshao

[quaint matrix]

It can't be poisoned or paralyzed either?

[bronze barn]

regenerator glass cannon with u turn is fun

[bronze barn]

yeah

[quaint matrix]

Wait that's sick...

[fallen loom]

I want Lycanroc Dusk for the ability

[wide merlin]

mienshao / zangoose-seviper for two slot and diancie / victini for the third

[quaint matrix]

I guess not as sick as Furfrou's Fur Coat but like

[fallen loom]

because Binacle is binable, so it's not getting in

[quaint matrix]

Yeah Komala with fusions go kinda hard

[full bison]

I like evaluating Pokemon based on visuals and gameplay additions, and so far Bronzong and Mienshao are top of the pile in those regards

[bronze barn]

I don't want lycanroc dusk cause I think it's a lazy design

body fusions would be hell

[fathom ridge]

Bell fusions :0

[fallen loom]

then go sprite Binacle line

[silent acorn]

Listen

The based picks

For one stage

[full bison]

I unironicaly love Barbaracle

[fathom ridge]

Binacle heads would be cool ngl

[silent acorn]

Are the mono normal ones

[bronze barn]

we had a convo about lycanroc dusk in #spriter-general not too long ago

[silent acorn]

Fun fact that Spinda has Contrary :V

[quaint matrix]

FURFROU NATION????

[bronze barn]

"takes double damage from hex" I sure do love when my normal type takes 2x damage from hex

[inland jewel]

we need more ice and fighting types you say. I have the perfect mon

[silent acorn]

Look at them one stage normal picks they are all good.

[full bison]

I recommend you read through all of Barbaracle's names in different languages cause there's so many hilariously edgy ones

[bronze barn]

Furfrou's one of my fav

[quaint matrix]

Okay but

Furfrou Nation

[full bison]

Death Barnacle

[silent acorn]

Fur frou Tank
Komala Status Immunity
Spinda Contrary

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-xy-dog-wash-furfrou-gif-25965778

[silent acorn]

ON TOP OF SPINDA HAVING DIZZY PUNCH

[bronze barn]

zangoose

is based

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/crush-claw-zangoose-pokémon-zangoose-zangoose-uses-crush-claw-gif-25917736

[quaint matrix]

Contrary's cool but also like

[bronze barn]

zangoose has toxic boost

[quaint matrix]

We got Lurantis now

[fallen loom]

Furfrou fusions could be cool too, since the body fusions could have Pokémon features like the coats it has

[quaint matrix]

Spinda's not really giving anything anymore besides being Spinda

[full bison]

Thanatos Barnacle

[fallen loom]

so like a Pikachu coat Furfrou

[silent acorn]

Contrary, Dizzy punch. Dizzy has 70 bp

Pretty neat

[fallen loom]

Spinda was meant to evolve into Zangoose

[silent acorn]

Heck its the only Gen 3 mon where Nostalgia isnt it plus value

[quaint matrix]

I don't see it?

[bronze barn]

since when

[quaint matrix]

Oh huh they remove Dizzy Punch I just realized lol

[fallen loom]

beta sprites

[silent acorn]

Wrong Website :v

[bronze barn]

no seviper pre-evo

[silent acorn]

check it

[bronze barn]

it's not that exciting lol

[quaint matrix]

Huh????

[silent acorn]

It's a plus

[quaint matrix]

We're talking about Contrary right

[bronze barn]

70 bp and 20% to confuse

[silent acorn]

Works with Serene Grace

Yeah it works

[full bison]

I guess it could be fun for Togekiss shenanigans

[quaint matrix]

What does Contrary do to Dizzy Punch

[silent acorn]

Plus spinda is mono normal :v gonna have normal stab no matter what

[silent acorn]

No its just a plus

[quaint matrix]

Plus on what

Contrary's not doing anything to Dizzy Punch

[fallen loom]

Spinda can't even be transferred from or to BDSP, because HOME and BDSP messed up the patterns, so any Spinda from RSE to USUM are locked to Home/Bank

[silent acorn]

Like the total value of Spinda for fusion

HA get applied on both head and body

So Contrary on either end

The dizzy punch just gives you more options beyond Contrary

Spinda has no self debuffing moves normally

[fallen loom]

let's be honest, Snivy and Inkay would do wonders for Contrary

[quaint matrix]

Technically we'll have Lurantis soon

[silent acorn]

What move does Snivy have lowers a stat?

[quaint matrix]

So she's already gonna do a lot of heavy lifting

[fallen loom]

how do you know?

[silent acorn]

Lol it won the vote

[inland jewel]

leafstorm

[fallen loom]

it has that one move the lowers an attack stat a lot, so it buffs itself instead

[silent acorn]

Fair. Problem is

Who knows when froggo will feel like adding starters again

[quaint matrix]

Because it's in the beta?

[fallen loom]

I missread as Lunala

[inland jewel]

Maybe next year in august

[silent acorn]

Damn

Put some eye drop

[inland jewel]

but due to the starter vote, we'll get Alola starters

[silent acorn]

Who knows

The question isnt which

The question is when who knows

[full bison]

Emboring really out here sabotaging the rest of the starter group

[inland jewel]

Frogman is most likely going to do yearly pokemon additions

[silent acorn]

Every year lol

[quaint matrix]

Serperior and Samurott caught strays because of the dumb pig...

[silent acorn]

He do be shooting everyone in the back

[bronze barn]

every year adding new mons sounds like a lot

[silent acorn]

Man why does Gamefreak fudge up every pig they make?

[inland jewel]

its only every year because its only one programmer

[fallen loom]

was going to be Spinda evo

[quaint matrix]

I wouldn't call the Spoink line a fuckup

[bronze barn]

it's a lot for the spriters too though

[silent acorn]

Pre zebstrika???

[quaint matrix]

It's doing its best

It just could've been dealt a better hand

[silent acorn]

Not enough boyo

[inland jewel]

i mean, if its once per year then its dooable

[bronze barn]

I am fine with only getting 1-2 lines a year lol

[full bison]

Annihilape is part pig apparently, and it's pretty cool

[silent acorn]

Didnt do bounce enough

[bronze barn]

atleast we're getting new mons

[quaint matrix]

Well now how do you think I feel about the Chingling line smh my head

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah the only successful pig

[inland jewel]

to be fair, 12 months to work on sprites for 10 lines is dooable

[bronze barn]

but poipole when

[eager jungle]

spoink is great, it's evo, not really

[quaint matrix]

Ain't no way my sleigh bells ever gonna be added unless everyone relevant/important gets here

[fallen loom]

you mean this?

[silent acorn]

Huh interesting

[quaint matrix]

Grumpig ain't that bad

[full bison]

Something about that beta's neck is...

I dunno how to describe it

[silent acorn]

Spoink was fantastic, i dug it

[quaint matrix]

He's just the Vigoroth to Spoink's Slakoth

[eager jungle]

yeah but it's sad that it doesn't keep the feature that makes spoink interesting

[fallen loom]

the pearl fuses with Grumpig's head

[quaint matrix]

What it needs is a 3rd evo that basically is Grumpig going "wait I love jumping around actually" and goes back to being a spring pig but now cooler

[silent acorn]

Dude vigoroth is an actual upgrade. Grumpig is like evolving a weapon into a different weapon that does less

[quaint matrix]

Idk give it a Ghost-type or smth because apparently that's what it took for Annihilape to be Ubers-tier

[sturdy frost]

give him a pogo-stick, done

[quaint matrix]

[silent acorn]

It does. But it doesn't have one, its too late

[quaint matrix]

I mean if Girafarig and Primeape can have one of all times now

It's never too late anymore

[silent acorn]

Spoink was good

[eager jungle]

new mons are cool to work with

[silent acorn]

It is for IF :v

[fallen loom]

Karrablast was going to evolve into some Roxy Lalonde haired bug

[quaint matrix]

I mean yeah but at least it can be redeemed by canon :v

[full bison]

FR, I've been having a blast drawing up Scrafty stuff (although the pants can be a bit annoying lol)

[eager jungle]

and i love the contrast between my day 4 & 5 x)

[quaint matrix]

There was also the pic of like Shelmet evolving into Escavalier like actually right

[quaint matrix]

Shit looks way cooler than Karrablast becoming Escavalier lmao

[quaint matrix]

Yeah look at that Digimon looking ahh

[full bison]

For all the talk some people have about preferring betas to final designs... I'm super glad we got the Scrafty we ended up with instead of that fish-eyed doof

[quaint matrix]

It's the doofy fish-eye stare and the fact that it still held on to its pants

[fallen loom]

I like this more since it committed to being a quadruped, as the one we got has that doofy looking arm swinging

[quaint matrix]

To be honest tho

Biggest gamechanger is for Frog to actually add Draco Meteor to the game

Like how is that just conspicuously not ingame yet

[fallen loom]

biggest gamechanger is to add back those TMs that were erased

[full bison]

I miss Volt Switch

[quaint matrix]

That too but also why is Draco Meteor just not here

[fallen loom]

funny because Dragon is tied with Ghost as the most complete type

[quaint matrix]

I have to imagine Frog is actually adding a lot of the randomizer-exclusive TMs into the game proper now that there's more avenues to get items or whatever

[full bison]

I have a Raichu/Whimsicott fusion that I partially theorycrafted as having Volt Switch to be an obnoxious pivot, but I can't take advantage of that cause the TM isn't available

But hey, Electrify+Lightning Rod+Electro Ball is still really fun

[fallen loom]

looks like a Water Type

[silent acorn]

I mean it looks badass

[fallen loom]

looks WAY better with Wartortle features

[silent acorn]

DAMN

[fathom ridge]

Serperior didn’t look that different

[silent acorn]

That boy be looking fine

[quaint matrix]

Is that beta Mega Blastoise?

[fallen loom]

yes

[fathom ridge]

Isn’t there a version with a different mouth?

[eager jungle]

time to sprite a chesnaught head because chesnaught has the best design of the three starters

[fathom ridge]

That looks cool

Megas had a different vibe before, mega venasaur is also very different

[fallen loom]

actually looks like a toad and isn't just so dumb extra flower

[eager jungle]

looks like a dragonfruit

[fallen loom]

quadruped Charizard is so much better TBH

[full bison]

Actually looks like it's ability would be Thick Fat

[eager jungle]

but doesn't work IRL

[full bison]

TBH that looks like it'd work better as a Paradox than a Mega

[fallen loom]

I guess

[quaint matrix]

GameFreak reading this:

Wrong GIF ah well

[full bison]

it kinda worked

[quaint matrix]

Either way I know GF is holding out on themselves to not do Paradox Charizard lmao

Ohhhhh I can feel it

Kanto pandering...

[fallen loom]

they murdered poor Mega Venusaur of its best traits

[hot hamlet]

I’ve got two last mons for a Smol team. Next one is here #fusions message

[analog stag]

Mega Jynx was just weird tho

Kinda glad she didn’t make it to the final game

Just a different dress, longer hair and crazy eyes

[fallen loom]

Alolan Dugtrio hair

[full bison]

Mega Jynx just looks like a character in a super old-school anime more than a Pokemon

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if any of the scrapped Megas will make it to ZA

[full bison]

This might be our last chance at Mega Flygon

[fathom ridge]

There is a leaked mega flygon

[silent acorn]

Can i see her?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-jameson-mouth-gif-24811570

[full bison]

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was a fake. It's so un-Pokemon looking

[silent acorn]

I'd argue it looks pretty pokemon Like

Looks interesting

[hollow creek]

Dude omg

that design is awful

[full bison]

the duality of man

[hollow creek]

Lol didnt even notice

[stoic canopy]

Didn’t think anything can downgrade Jinx, but here we are…

[trail plume]

2 days for the new Pokemon...

did you guys know a lot of people actually love the new pokemon?

[hexed agate]

Relicanth?

[trail plume]

Imagine

but no

but a lot of people like it

and it is not gen 7

[fathom ridge]

Is it gogoat?

[trail plume]

No, I already said that another day

[fathom ridge]

Oh yeah

[sullen elbow]

Its miniover

[fathom ridge]

Is it a two stage?

[trail plume]

I wonder

[trail plume]

Actually no

[sullen elbow]

It'll be aromatease

[trail plume]

wait Minior is gen 7? I thought it was gen 4 or 5

[trail plume]

Aromatisse is a 2 stage mon

Spritzee my beloved

[fathom ridge]

What does that imply

[trail plume]

that I'm dumb

lmao

but still

[fathom ridge]

Is it minior?

[trail plume]

no, not yet

[wide merlin]

il call one legendary/fabulous (diancie for the gem pokemon and quest inspired from the movie or victini for explain the skip of starter 5g) and zangoose/seviper

[fathom ridge]

Aw ):

[sullen elbow]

So its a three stage

[trail plume]

Minior can't join now, it has a lot of forms and people don't know still how to sprite it yet

[fathom ridge]

Yeah but idk about zangoose and seviper

[hexed agate]

I have a theory

[trail plume]

the rivals would be a good pick, but no, they're not liable yet

[hexed agate]

That theory is that a select group of people know the next Pokémon already

[trail plume]

I think that theory may be right

[sullen elbow]

I'll make them figure It out... ||By force ||

[hexed agate]

My guess is ~6-7 people

[trail plume]

but the cult may stay hidden

[fathom ridge]

I wonder, if minior is ever added could it use the shiny system to change the colour of sprites?

[trail plume]

[trail plume]

wfym?

wdym*

[fathom ridge]

Are you part of that group?

[trail plume]

my say: a part of the shell can be shown, but the entire body must be the core

[fathom ridge]

Shinys have their colour change with a colour shift, maybe that could be use to make the different colours of minior

[trail plume]

the best example of it that I've seen is a Minior/Murkrow in my event, Elusive Pokedex

[hidden relic]

Pory wtf, that's fucked up twisted

[trail plume]

the different cores change smth game wise?

[fathom ridge]

I think they don’t

[trail plume]

truly, we should revoke pory from the cult

[hidden relic]

Can't be spitting nonsense, no one knows early

[hexed agate]

[hidden relic]

Right?

[fathom ridge]

Does the new pokemon contain a letter on its name?

[trail plume]

then they're just alt colors, the shiny is already black and white

[trail plume]

no one knows, I'm just here yapping nonsense and fooling people

[stoic canopy]

It’s seedoctober right?

[trail plume]

is it? 🤨

[stoic canopy]

…you make one bad pun and then you kill chat forever…

[fathom ridge]

Do you know when the next batch of Pokémon will be PIF leaker?

[hexed agate]

Because with Seedoctober you spelled Miniover

[trail plume]

2030

[fathom ridge]

Well at least that’s before silksong

[trail plume]

[fathom ridge]

Do you already know which mons will be on that batch

[trail plume]

yes

[deft obsidian]

Pif leaker is that possible if frogman add victini as 000 ?🎙️

[fathom ridge]

That would be awesome

[fathom ridge]

Is vikavolt one of them

[trail plume]

it may be, or victini may be 505

[trail plume]

[fathom ridge]

When will vikavolt be added then

[trail plume]

next batch

[fathom ridge]

Then why the Carbonk :0

[deft obsidian]

Carpink

[trail plume]

carb?

[fathom ridge]

:carbonk :

[trail plume]

onk

[silent acorn]

Nk

K

[trail plume]

like the new pokemon

[humble lance]

[fallen loom]

so if they add in 503 Pokémon it'll officially be more than double that were in Gen 1 and 2

[hot hamlet]

🤨how math?

[fallen loom]

251+251 = 502

so 503 means we'd finally have more mon that are outside of gens 1 and 2

[green laurel]

gen 1 - 151
gen 2 - 100
thats not 502

[glass patio]

oink

[velvet root]

No no he means gen 1+2 have 251 Pokémon together
And if we have 503 Pokemon in Infinite Fusion we have more non Gen 1+2 mon than gen 1+2 mons

[green laurel]

oooohhhh mb gang

[fallen loom]

she

[glass patio]

what

i’ve been feeling really sick lately so i haven’t made epic meteors 😔

[trail plume]

Bucklin.

tell me which pokemon you want in PIF

[glass patio]

mniiro

uhhh i forgor how to spell it

[hot hamlet]

Thank you for the clarification. Gogoat has gotten priority if we get another vote now

[velvet root]

That means you dont really want it

[glass patio]

i’m losing hope

i don’t think minior’s gonna be in the last 3 slots

[trail plume]

tell me more than Minior

and I'll give you a hint

I'm the Leaker, you can trust me

[hot hamlet]

I don’t want Minior in the final 3.
Too many people clambering over a single form mon. That pushes mons with multiple sprite options via evolution further down the line

[trail plume]

well, Minior actually has 2 forms

Meteor form and Core form

[glass patio]

uhhh idk vikavolt

[hot hamlet]

No it doesn’t. It has 2 alts
There is no stat difference so there won’t be multiple Dex entries

[glass patio]

nah that’s not happening there’s prob gonna be some legendary/mythical in the last slots…

[trail plume]

nah idk bro it looks very different to me

[hot hamlet]

It’ll just be an alt

[glass patio]

no stat difference?

[glass patio]

this flag is a banger

[trail plume]

Bucklin, I'm gonna make you happy and make Minior be real
if you show me you can sprite it right

[hot hamlet]

It’s cosmetic

[glass patio]

uhh check #1213701560647942144 go to the very bottom and then scroll up until you see stuff i made ig

[velvet root]

Meteor and core actually have diffrent stats

[glass patio]

yeah that’s why i asked

[glass patio]

meteor has higher defenses and core has higher attacks and speed

[unkempt kernel]

Unless there’s a way to do it like stance change it’ll be 2 slots

[hot hamlet]

shut up I just hate the fervent pitch for the stupid prize ball

[glass patio]

the only cosmetics are the different core colors

[trail plume]

Stance Change doesn't do nothing, so

Minior 2 slots ftw

if Frog changes the coding, Aegislash may get Stance Change

[unkempt kernel]

Stance change does something what

[unkempt kernel]

Stance change is in the game tho

[full bison]

Double negative

[velvet root]

It has Stance Change just doesnt change sprites

[unkempt kernel]

Those always confuse me

[velvet root]

Nah im not a big fan of that Meteor either but we should keep real with the facts

[trail plume]

usually it does, and I'm talking about the sprite change, which is my focus as a dumbass spriter I'm sorry for not being specific stop throwing those stones 😭

[velvet root]

Its literally for me that one burger meme

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[glass patio]

one slot would prob be better for sprites but i think it’s fine with two slots you could still use elements from both forms but have a predominant one

[velvet root]

As a spriter you should know that the sprite change for aegi would be stupid af

[gray vine]

i mean stance change is just clsoed sword to open sword, its not big enough to bother having spriters do 2 sprites for it. Minior has a big change in design that spriters would def be interested in creating 2 versions of a sprite

[trail plume]

would, but silly aegislash shield and sword

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah I’m just saying that if it was possible to do it like stance change then it’s one slot

[gray vine]

and im saying it wouldnt lul, cause Miniors Abbility actually is creative for Spriters

[glass patio]

i’m sorry to say this but all the form change aegislash does is just move its hands 😔

[unkempt kernel]

I’m also saying it should be two slots, I’m just throwing out a hypothetical

[gray vine]

its kinda weird tho, cause of course it can be done like Aegeslash, it be very strange if its not possible lul

its just an abbility thats already part of the code

but it just makes more sense to make it work like Necrozma

[velvet root]

I mean Aegi isnt a form change cuz we werent able to back then and now it would just be stupid to sort the sprites

[trail plume]

Nemona pfp

you're the best

[full bison]

I mean, maybe it could just switch attack and defense stats like Stance Change with a bonus doubling speed stat, but that's not really how BSTs work in Pokemon

So...

[glass patio]

minior why are you like this

minior ability code is the reason i’m losing hope

[inland jewel]

stance change does do something, it just doesn't change the sprite

[glass patio]

but wait how does ultra necro work then? because i don’t see how it could switch stats around, also it gets a higher base stat total… a much higher total actually

[inland jewel]

well it gains Dragon type for one

[glass patio]

Or am i dumb and there’s smth I’m not seeing

[inland jewel]

and it has 2 dex slots

we just need a mon that actually changes forms/states via an ability to be in the game to actually test this

else its just gonna be saved for the final of final additions

so mons like Wishiwashi, Minior, Darmanitan,

[glass patio]

oh because necrozma doesn’t do it through an ability

that makes sense

[inland jewel]

yeah, and the only mon we can reference is Aegislash, but his is just a straight swap these four stats

they don't gain or lose any stats

its just... the consistentency of form mons to switch back to their other form when above 50% threshhold

[gray vine]

thanks, have a dif Nemona one every few weeks

[fallen loom]

I call her N money, because she's rich

[gray vine]

Nemula

[trail plume]

my fav girl

[outer matrix]

any guesses if the final reveal isn't the final reveal?

[unkempt kernel]

Pachirisu if it’s not a 3 stage, gothitelle if it is

[trail plume]

I knnowww

it is a 2 stage

[outer matrix]

Who knows if the weekend reveal is actually a one slot or a 2 slot

so it might happen? idk

[twin phoenix]

Hoping for all 3 and that they're all Zygarde.

[gray vine]

[trail plume]

||I'm the Leaker for a reason, Reg||

[full bison]

Part of me thinks this might be the reveal of slot 500 and we'll all be left wondering about 498-499

[trail plume]

Pink, dear, Zygarde is 4

[full bison]

Zygarde is 3

The cells can't fight

[clear lichen]

Zygarde is 3

[twin phoenix]

I don't think the Zygarde cell counts.

[trail plume]

smh but we need the cell fella

[clear lichen]

Zygarde 10%, 50% and Complete (100%)

Why would we have Zygarde Cell when it is quite literally unplayable

[full bison]

The cells are basically just collectable items, not Pokemon

[clear lichen]

No "Oh it's so bad that you shouldn't use it" no it straight up doesn't exist as a Pokemon

[twin phoenix]

Man, I would be disappointed if 500 was revealed before 498-499.

[trail plume]

why can't we have the cell as a pokemon, and just keep catching it? it still is a pokemon :[

[full bison]

The cells don't even have bsts, there's nothing to work with there

[clear lichen]

IF becomes a fakemon game

... Do fusions count as fakemons?

Hmm

[twin phoenix]

Wait.. it has 5 versions since Zygarde core exists as well. Cells don't really think on their own.

[clear lichen]

You get what I mean though

[trail plume]

Zygarde is everything 🙏

[finite reef]

Zygarde core isn't a true pokemon though

[clear lichen]

There's also the fact that if they were to make a Zygarde cell/core fakemon, it'd be so useless nobody would ever use it

So it's just a waste of space and effort

[trail plume]

sup Dusk

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, it would be as useless as Cosmog.

[trail plume]

how u doin?

[finite reef]

I'm doing well

[trail plume]

me when we don't get Cosmog but Cosmoen (still I want Cosmog, bad decision)

[hot hamlet]

All I shall ask Mr Leaker.
Do we have a timeframe for the next reveal?

[hidden relic]

Could be 10%, 50%, 100%

[finite reef]

Unfortunately there's only 3 spots left, no Cosmog

[clear lichen]

It could but people are saying Zygarde would be 4 or 5 slots

[hidden relic]

Why?

[clear lichen]

Cell and core

[hidden relic]

Pfft no

[clear lichen]

AKA 2 forms with literally no BST

[finite reef]

Those aren't actually pokemon though

[hidden relic]

That wouldn't make sense

[clear lichen]

They aren't Pokemon, have no BST, have no moves

[trail plume]

but Gordon, the cell guy is so cute :[

[clear lichen]

It'd make no sense to add them as standalones

[outer matrix]

And I assume no actual information will be given outright in order to not lose being a leaker

[finite reef]

It would be like having a Totem Sticker as a pokemon (that would be really funny though)

[hot hamlet]

Imagine if Frog added the cells and cores in the same way you can farm Spiritomb via the Odd Keystone

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, that's why I said 3.

[hidden relic]

3 what? 3 rocks?

[hidden relic]

I'll throw 3 rocks at you

[clear lichen]

It wouldn't take up 5 slots then

It'd still take up 3

[trail plume]

Exactly ❤️

[twin phoenix]

Zygarde has 3 forms useable for battle and thus only 3 forms will be added to the game.

[hot hamlet]

But we get all 5 then

[trail plume]

I shall just spread chaos and misinformation

[clear lichen]

So yeah, technically Zygarde is possible but I'm not very optimistic about it

[trail plume]

while I maybe will tell actual information

[clear lichen]

That said

[finite reef]

For this new update, we added 100 new hidden items around the entire map, you need to find all of them them to get Zygarde complete. Good luck

[clear lichen]

Necrozma is in the game without Solgaleo or Lunala

[trail plume]

@hidden relic do you like the new addition for now?

[clear lichen]

You never know

[hidden relic]

What new addition?

[outer matrix]

there is none

[hidden relic]

Scrafty? yeah its aight

[trail plume]

Mrs*
also this weekend

[hot hamlet]

Apologies Mrs Leaker

[trail plume]

the 498 one

[hidden relic]

Ah yeah that one

Pretty cool

It rocks

[trail plume]

Meltan is pretty cool ik

[hot hamlet]

And I was hoping more for a “when should I check in again?” Instead of just weekend

[trail plume]

man I'm glad Frog accepted adding Meltan and Melmetal

it rocks

[hot hamlet]

No idea why not

Meltan is Gen 7

[clear lichen]

So basically what you're saying is that they weren't added yet

[hot hamlet]

The “Switch is Gen 8” thing is utter bull made up by the fans anyway

[trail plume]

I mean, Frog is gonna release the new fella within the same timeframe as the others

[clear lichen]

I wouldn't be opposed to Meltan and Melmetal

DiB being more distributed is a bit scary though

[trail plume]

I'm down for Meltan, it's cool

[clear lichen]

Melmetal/Scizor

Bottom text

I dont want to see those calcs

[hot hamlet]

The question is… how does one evolve Meltan?

[trail plume]

bottom text

[hidden relic]

It was on the last vote, (and got pretty close in a Staff vote before). it is a possibility

Just probably not happening this time, it's for sure something else

[trail plume]

with meltans

[hidden relic]

But since y'all are talking about Meltan

[trail plume]

[hot hamlet]

[hidden relic]

Ignore the typo on together

[finite reef]

Melmetal would terrorise competitive, I'm all for it

[clear lichen]

Anyone here can think of a technician mon that isn't Scizor or Breloom for me I'm tired rn

[hot hamlet]

Nah. Let’s come togetger over our collective mistakes

[hidden relic]

that's so real

[clear lichen]

Scizor is the best option for the big fucking DiB damage

That I can think of

[hidden relic]

honestly I'd say Iron Fist better on virtue of Meltan's punch coverage

[clear lichen]

Which is why I'm asking for people to give me more thoughts

[hot hamlet]

DiB…?

[hidden relic]

Double
Iron
Bash

[hot hamlet]

Dern meta slang

[full bison]

The only other Technician Mon I can think of is Cinccino but it's not available

[clear lichen]

I feel like on SD sets Scizor definitely would run Technician

If we're talking Melmetal fusion

Because that's like 3 moveslots already gone

Swords Dance, DiB, Bullet Punch

[hidden relic]

I could see banded DiB, Ice, BP and like

[clear lichen]

Earthquake probably

I'd still run Technician on that set though

[hidden relic]

I know there was a very brief time Mel ran Band + Toxic to catch Zapdos

[clear lichen]

1.5 is a hell of a lot more than 1.2(?)

Iron Fist is so sad

[hidden relic]

Yeah :(

[finite reef]

Grass/Steel Dhelmise/Melmetal with Steelworker

[clear lichen]

I still would rather Scizor

[clear lichen]

Tbf, Technician is effectively the same as Steelworker here

[trail plume]

comp nerd talk, I'm out

[clear lichen]

I cannot think of a move that a Scizor/Melmetal would run that isn't Steel type

(Technician boosted I mean)

Can it get Bug Bite here?

[dusty arrow]

sir

scizor will always run technician

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

[dusty arrow]

there are literally zero scenarios in which scizor wont run technician-

[clear lichen]

The point I was talking about is if Melmetal/Scizor would use Technician or Iron Fist more

[dusty arrow]

technician

[clear lichen]

And imo, it would use Technician more

[dusty arrow]

without a doubt

[clear lichen]

I mean fucking Technician DiB

Sure Iron Fist boosts that but Iron Fist has a shit boost

[dusty arrow]

the only one i could maybe see is running light metal to switch in on a low kick/grass knot and mega evolving

but grass knot will do barely any damage because you 4x resist it and low kick is only really used in ubers since things tend to be big there

[dusty arrow]

iron fist really should be a 50% boost like strong jaws and sharpness

[clear lichen]

The point the other person was making is that Melmetal has a lot of fist moves

But like on an SD set you already automatically have 3 slots taken up by SD, BP and DiB

[dusty arrow]

wait what is bp?

[clear lichen]

Bullet Punch

[dusty arrow]

ohh yeah

[clear lichen]

You may find some value out of Iron Fist TPunch on a Flying/Steel or something

Ig that's pretty cool

[dusty arrow]

ok then in that case the final slot would probably just be like

[clear lichen]

But you probably just run like

EQ

[dusty arrow]

technician bug bite for stab assuming we are talking about the fusion-

or run earthquake yeah

[clear lichen]

Or Bug Bite

[dusty arrow]

and scizor also learns close combat

[clear lichen]

That also works

Heck maybe even Roost

If you really just want to keep this mf around for a long time

[dusty arrow]

true

[clear lichen]

Knock Off is also a move that exists

[dusty arrow]

it sure is

[clear lichen]

There's simply a lot of moves and only 1 possibility is boosted by Tpunch

I fr said boosted by Tpunch

Instead of Tpunch, boosted by Iron fist

[dusty arrow]

theres also technician boosted rock tomb

95% accuracy, and a guaranteed speed drop

[clear lichen]

I assume that's from Melmetal?

Because I do not remember Scizor learning that

[dusty arrow]

yep

[quaint briar]

Qui est fr

[dusty arrow]

also apparently

WHY DOES MELMETAL LEARN SOLAR BEAM AND THUNDER BOLT

AND ICE BEAM

[clear lichen]

Ig maybe you could find some use for Iron Fist on Choice Band sets

[quaint briar]

Wat

[clear lichen]

But even then, you're probably already running DiB, Bullet Punch and U-Turn

[quaint briar]

Bro am new

[clear lichen]

And then it's back to 1 move left again

[quaint briar]

And me not inglich

[clear lichen]

We're busy wondering how a Melmetal/Scizor would play like because someone mentioned Melmetal a long time ago

Tbf

Melmetal is getting BANNED

[dusty arrow]

oh no absolutely

[clear lichen]

I do not see it staying

[dusty arrow]

im pretty sure the only dib pokemon is a legend tutor ambipom?

[clear lichen]

Wait fr?

[dusty arrow]

yeah

[clear lichen]

Time to run Ambipom/Scizor 🔥

[dusty arrow]

but uhh

the stats kinda

suck

[clear lichen]

Darn

[dusty arrow]

outside of attack

73 hp, 88 defense, 70 spdef, 81 speed

[clear lichen]

It's so Scizover

No Technician DiB for me yet

[dusty arrow]

well theres always a klinklang fusion with technician gear grind

also gets shift gear

[clear lichen]

Gear Grind will always miss when you need it to hit

... I am thinking of the correct move, right?

[dusty arrow]

yeah

50 bp, 85% accuracy, hits twice

[clear lichen]

Well ykw

81 speed might be salvageable with Choice Scarf

[dusty arrow]

theres also thick club marozor with technician bonemerang

[clear lichen]

And DiB does have a 30% Flinch rate per hit...

It's so obvious that Gamefreak does not intend to distribute DiB

[twin phoenix]

Oh, it means Double Iron Bash.. I didn't know what DiB was.

[clear lichen]

Double Iron Bash can get a few lucky flinches to save your ass

Or you could just get reverse swept by Toxapex

[twin phoenix]

That sounds terribly annoying to deal with. Can one imagine that with Serene Grace?

[dusty arrow]

so would a serene grace mon with dib have a 120% flinch rate

reminder that i have thought of something known as

serene grace tri-attack (which means a 40% chance to freeze)

[clear lichen]

No, because 30% of 70% is not 30%

Same with 60% of 40%

But it is still extremely fucking painful

... I probably fucked the math up there

[full bison]

The scariest move that you could give a Serene Grace mon IMO is Dire Claw

100% chance of ailment I think

[twin phoenix]

Dang, its Japanese name is Fatal Claw.

[dusty arrow]

most languages have cooler names for moves

[clear lichen]

If I did the math right, Serene Grace DiB has an overall 84% flinch rate

[dusty arrow]

like try translating some signature z-moves in other languages

[clear lichen]

"Heaven scorching light of destruction"

[full bison]

I think Oblivion Wing is the big exception to that. Death Wing just sounds kinda lame

[twin phoenix]

Ten something Hakai no Hikari?

Yeh, Oblivion Wing sounds much better.

[clear lichen]

The translated Chinese name of Light that Burns the Sky sounds like something a fate servant would say before using their noble phantasm

Idk it just gives that vibe

[dusty arrow]

soul reaper of the seven stars

(soul stealing 7 star strike but french)

[twin phoenix]

A lot of techniques named in anime do have that vibe.

[clear lichen]

Yeah ig so

[dusty arrow]

Constellation of the Soul Stealer
(german)

[twin phoenix]

Like Blue Eyes white lightning is uhh.. Burst Stream of Destruction.

Horobi no BAASSTO STREEEEAAAMMM

[eager jungle]

When reading it I was expecting a blue eyes white dragon x)

[hot hamlet]

I think Burst Stream Of Destruction is actually a Yugioh dragon sig attack. One of the Stardust ones maybe? I just know it sounds familiar

[twin phoenix]

I only remember watching clips of Kaiba shouting the name. I had no idea it was shared with other monsters.

[hot hamlet]

Nvm. Apparently it’s a Blue Eyes attack that was later turned into to a Blue Eyes-specific magic card

Much like how you need a Dark Magician to use the “Dark Magic Attack” spell card

[full bison]

the French version is also just cool to say. Apocalypsis Luminis.

[clear lichen]

If the chinese name is what a fate servant would say before using their Noble Phantasm, Apocalypsis Luminis is the Noble Phantasm's name

[fallen loom]

Zygarde Core/Cell can just be Zygarde + Solosis

[late minnow]

add snivy please

[full bison]

Most certainly not happening without the other Unova starters and we don't have the slots for them for now

[sullen elbow]

I believe its also something like this in spanish

[full bison]

Something I just thought about- is the Whipped Dream going to be a thing in this game? It literally only exists as a superfluous item that Swirlix needs to hold to evolve through trade, but that could be easily ignored by just making it another Linking Chord evo

[finite reef]

It will probably be the same as the other random evolution items

[west sonnet]

Yeah most item ones just evolve at 40/50

The item might be in as an optional level skip

[limpid parrot]

does the beta pokemons have custom sprites?

[steel meadow]

Some do, some dont. I remember seeing this #1298063063295197214 and I did a custom base based on some Swinub sketches that i believe was released with the leaks

[limpid parrot]

ohhh

was the most updated fusion calculator?

[latent sequoia]

I'm currently working on a beta sprite, but for the old spaceworld leak.

[fallen loom]

spaceworld leak really was the first of its kind

[trail plume]

Simisear my beloved