pif-hoenn-discussion

[unkempt kernel]

Clay is fairly easy tbh as gen 5 has some solid water types

[full bison]

The only Rock types available before Elesa are the slow AF Boldore, the weak to electric Archen and Tirtouga, and the weak to Flying Dwebble

[alpine rune]

I'm still thinking they'll continue this trend. We got hat Mon, we got pants Mon, I'm thinking this time it's either hair or clothes mon

[spare topaz]

jokes on u i never did lol
mainly cuz my only experience b4hand was anything but the games and watching lps and even if i did i would still have fun
honestly its whatever tho
and this is coming from some1 who knew abt pokemon for literally a good portion of my life and whose main experience at the time was pretty much everything but the games since all i had gaming wise at the time was an xbox 360 and nothing more
no need to take it srsly tho no offense

[unkempt kernel]

I’ve never had an issue with clay

[velvet root]

But your Water options arent that good when the ground gym comes

[steel meadow]

Elesa has never killed a nuzlocke encounter for me

[unkempt kernel]

Samurott

[steel meadow]

dies to two earthquakes

[velvet root]

So I have to choose one specific starter?

[unkempt kernel]

Pretty sure you can get seismetoad before clay too

[marble meadow]

oh yeah first ludicollo silly hat then scraggy pants

[steel meadow]

seismotoad is a pretty good counter to him i'll admit

[full bison]

Deerling is on the route adjacent to Driftveil and it has Double Kick for Excadrill

[spare topaz]

we went from mexican hat to pants lol

[steel meadow]

from hats to pants*

[dusty arrow]

they all get quiver dance

[high haven]

NOW there's only three spots left. It's looking slim for Zangoose & Seviper

[unkempt kernel]

Then again I’m more experienced with black 2 than the original gen 5 games but I’ve never struggled with clay

[steel meadow]

now we just need a shirt

[steel meadow]

oh im not saying he is a struggle

[humble lance]

chat is this real

[steel meadow]

im just saying he is the most difficult gym leader in a game full of easy gym leaders

[tender plank]

i mean, i'm looking at it so it has to be

[velvet root]

Nah he is a fusion of 2 fictional creatures

[humble lance]

finctional

[rancid nymph]

What about Elesa and Lenora

[full bison]

Honestly most gym leaders in most games are easy

Sole exception is that cow

[twin phoenix]

I don't remember really struggling with any gym leader. :/

[steel meadow]

Lenora is up there id say. Elesa gets countered too easily

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/miltank-pokemon-gold-jrpg-rollout-cow-gif-24221919

[dusty arrow]

just choose cyndaquil

and get smokescreen

smh

[steel meadow]

The only fight ive ever struggled with is Cynthia i think

[dusty arrow]

please tell me you mean bdsp cynthia

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, Ultra Necrozma and BDSP league was surprising.

[humble lance]

[steel meadow]

Oh and some of the alola ones are deceptively hard aswell

[full bison]

I've had too many opponents hit through my attempts at RNG BS to trust that

[unkempt kernel]

Again, Elesa is right before him spamming volt switches which triggers static on the emolga’s which have electro ball which becomes double damage, not to mention she has 2 of the fuckers, abd then her Zebstrika which will most likely outspeed cus of either static or flame charge

[rancid nymph]

OG Cynthia is hard to

[dusty arrow]

ok fair enough

[steel meadow]

both bdsp and d/p cynthia

[dusty arrow]

people blow her difficulty way out of the water

og cynthia is not that hard

[steel meadow]

ground type

[unkempt kernel]

Emolga is immune to it

[steel meadow]

they're immune to emolgas attack and almost always learn a rock type move or just a random normal type move

[spare topaz]

as negatively crazy as this chat can go unfortunately (i mainly blame the favoratism losers not exactly every1 per say especially coming from a casual too) idm whoever gets in last and i have to say this does give me vibes of whenever some new character gets added to smash or anything along those lines but rly its just nothing to get so srs abt at the end of the day its still pokemon after all and the more the merrier is always a good thing no matter what

[humble lance]

nah og cynthia was a pretty difficult fight

[velvet root]

Still just get a Ground type
Most of them learn atleast 1 rock move
Worst case take a rock type with you too

[full bison]

Ultra Necrozma is a pretty difficult fight unless you have either Bisharp or Zoroark

[alpine rune]

With a bit of hindsight, Cynthia isn't hard. But to those of us who played the game for the first time blind, it really do be just difficult

Like

[dusty arrow]

the most trouble i have in fights are ultra necrozma, bdsp cynthia, and nihilusamine from sm oh and also volo

[steel meadow]

she isnt but my brain didnt understand that you could get set up on at the age of 10 or whatever i was when i first thought her

[marble meadow]

well zebstrika would be a fine addition but i think it will be in if next years update

[rancid nymph]

Cynthia is the most difficult champion

[velvet root]

Dont disrespect my Rattata

[unkempt kernel]

Pretty sure her emolga’s have air slash or some other flying move

[dusty arrow]

fair enough

[velvet root]

and?

[marble meadow]

nah volo

[dusty arrow]

oh right i forgot about volo

[marble meadow]

anyway malamar slim chance

[steel meadow]

i havent played PLA

[rancid nymph]

We don’t talk about Volo

[dusty arrow]

that nihilego lusamine was so difficult for no reason

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[dusty arrow]

the problem is all of her pokemon were so fucking bulky, and the stat boosts didnt help

except for milotic
which has a +1 attack
for some reason

[steel meadow]

ive watched people play through it so much i feel like it would give me much

[marble meadow]

oh if one time nihiligo is in if there will definetly a fusion ref

[dusty arrow]

the clefable has cosmic power, moonlight and magic guard bruh

actually crying

[full bison]

+1 Attack with only special moves

[dusty arrow]

probably gardevoir

[dusty arrow]

it has hydro pump, recover, safeguard, and flail

[steel meadow]

USUM in general is so much more dificult than regular pokemon games for no reason

[dusty arrow]

and statusing it makes it so much worse because it has marvel scale

[alpine rune]

Garchomp is a Pokémon that has crazy speed and attack and out speeds most of our play through Mon and most that do out speed it are electric types, which is weak to ground

Spriritomp literally has no weaknesses before fairy types

Milotic and gastrodon are insanely bulky, they're basically hyper potion sponges wasting our strongest attack PPs

Lucario and roserade are just brutal attackers.

I mean if you're playing the game blind for the first time, you wouldn't expect Cynthia to have a diverse team because all she does throughout the game is inspect rocks and ancient mythos. If anything, you would think she's either a rock or dragon trainer.

[dusty arrow]

WHY DOES LUSAMINE HAVE ULTRA NECROZMA IN MASTERS EX

[alpine rune]

She evil like that

[full bison]

The Totem fights are some of the closest fights to feeling like genuine threats. Especially the first time against Lurantis or Mimikyu

[marble meadow]

anyway ubs will not easy to sprite

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wynaut-happy-jump-gif-17071241

[humble lance]

3 remain

[steel meadow]

Totem Lurantis wiped my first nuzlocke in that game

[unkempt kernel]

Gothitelle line hopefully

[rancid nymph]

What Garchomp

[humble lance]

shaymin and diancie

[steel meadow]

zygarde

[unkempt kernel]

I don’t think we’re getting mythicals

[alpine rune]

I feel like totem fights are meant to be just hard titan bosses, it is meant to be unfair imo

[dusty arrow]

i feel like totem wishiwashi wouldve been scary
..if its only attacking move wasnt fucking water gun

[steel meadow]

totem araquanid though

[marble meadow]

wonder how whisiwashi would work in if

[full bison]

With the way reveals have been happening, I'm thinking we'll be getting slot 500 revealed next week with people freaking out over what the 2 slots left could possibly be

[dusty arrow]

rain boosted water bubble boosted bubble

[alpine rune]

Isn't it 3

[dusty arrow]

its just bubble but still

[dusty arrow]

and stab boosted ofc

along with leech life having been buffed to 80 bp

[full bison]

Slot 500 would be one slot. 3-1=2

[dusty arrow]

cant use a flying type to beat it, it has aurora beam

[steel meadow]

my alolan raichu got blasted by that mfer

[alpine rune]

Oh you meant like 1 slot reveal meme

[dusty arrow]

its ally dewpider has sticky web, and then it can summon the (BUFFED) masquerain with intimidate and TAILWINSD

basically

totem araquanid is scary

[marble meadow]

its the monkeys

[alpine rune]

Just the baby ones

[flint tiger]

there’s only three slots left for pokemon that’ll be added next

[alpine rune]

[steel meadow]

simispark

[unkempt kernel]

Can’t be, need double the slots for those

[dusty arrow]

reminder that totem ribombee gets +2 in all stats and also has quiver dance

[alpine rune]

Nah it would be just the babies

[dusty arrow]

and it summons a pelipper with drizzle to remove fire weakness, and then a blissey.. with light screen, heal pulse, and helping hand..

[flint tiger]

there’s still a chance that pachirisu will get in

[marble meadow]

or that is some coping its zygarde

[full bison]

Imagine we get Diancie or Victini revealed as 500 then the last 2 are Plusle and Minun

[alpine rune]

Would be funny

I'm down for it

[dusty arrow]

i feel like diancie is the most likely

since we got carbink

[steel meadow]

volbeat and illumise

[unkempt kernel]

Again I don’t think we’re getting a legend or a mythical due to frog wanting to make them special

[full bison]

Diancie and Victini are the 2 most likely Mythicals based on the circumstances. Whichever one is more likely I can't tell

[alpine rune]

Is there another mythical we're missing out on?

[dusty arrow]

i want a carbink/chansey (or blissey) fusion that is a car seat

[dusty arrow]

zeraora

[steel meadow]

shaymin is the one i want the most

[alpine rune]

Is the lava frog a mythical

[full bison]

What would be more special than a mythical pokemon getting revealed during a big milestone event?

[steel meadow]

lava frog is regular legend

[alpine rune]

Wait what

[dusty arrow]

manaphy, phione, shaymin, victini, keldeo, diancie, hoopa, volcanion, magearna, marshadow, zeraora

...
i dont know if meltan is considered gen 7 or 8

is meltan even in the vote??

[unkempt kernel]

More the fact frog would have to make a quest or something in hand for them is what I meant

[flint tiger]

I’m still gonna hope for pachirisu

[steel meadow]

you just find him chilling at the bottom of a cave in platinum

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-happy-dance-hyper-gif-25491309

[unkempt kernel]

Meltan is gen 7

[unkempt kernel]

Same

[alpine rune]

Wait Heatran isn't a mythical?!

[unkempt kernel]

Neither is Cresselia

[alpine rune]

Meltan is gen 7.5

[unkempt kernel]

But its counterpart is

[dusty arrow]

its not

[unkempt kernel]

Let’s go are gen 7 games

[full bison]

Meltan's a definite possibility considering Double Iron Bash is in the game. Glitched up apparently, but it's there

[alpine rune]

DARKRAI IS A MYTHICAL?!

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah

[dusty arrow]

also apparently meltan is a mythical but not melmetal

[dusty arrow]

zan how long have you not known this

[steel meadow]

does deoxys still count as a mythical?

[dusty arrow]

yes

deoxys is still a mythical

[alpine rune]

[steel meadow]

legends vs mythicals is so stupid.

[marble meadow]

amoonguus

[dusty arrow]

mythicals are event only, save for deoxys now im pretty sure

[full bison]

This is why Legends and Mythicals should be treated as the same thing to avoid annoying hair splitting

[unkempt kernel]

Mythicals are a sub set of legends

[alpine rune]

U sure? I think post Oras we can catch them, I forgot how they handle the types though

[dusty arrow]

nvm melmetal is a mythical i just didnt see

[dusty arrow]

still a mythical

[steel meadow]

yeah but i always thought mythicals had to be event only

[dusty arrow]

look i dont know what we consider mythicals since pecharunt is a mythical

[alpine rune]

Iirc it's version exclusive

[steel meadow]

is the jirachi in bdsp a event or can u still get it?

[dusty arrow]

although i guess you technically need to get the peach from an event

[full bison]

Also I refuse to accept the idea of Arceus not being considered a legendary

[unkempt kernel]

You can but it’s still a mythical because it’s a single stage min with a bst of 600

[unkempt kernel]

The lake trio are mythicals and don’t require an event to obtain in gen 4

[dusty arrow]

no

[full bison]

No they aren't

[dusty arrow]

the lake trio arent mythicals

[unkempt kernel]

Wait they aren’t?

[dusty arrow]

they are just legendaries

[steel meadow]

yeah i was going to say they arent mythicals

although they look like mythicals visually

[unkempt kernel]

Ok yeah now I’m confused on what is abs what isn’t

F it, pachirisu is a mythical now

[full bison]

The mythical pokemon of Gen 4 are Shaymin, Darkrai, Manaphy, and Arceus. Not the Lake trio

[dusty arrow]

this is what serebii says: Mythical Pokémon were originally known in common conversation as "Event Only Pokémon" for a reason. These Pokémon are so rare that they are typically only available through going to an event distribution and either receiving the Pokémon itself, or an item to go get the Pokémon within the wild. Due to the fact that these are typically only from events and have limited distributions

[steel meadow]

i remember when i thought rotom was a mythical

[dusty arrow]

i used to think lucario and zoroark were legends because they got movies
i also thought volcarona was a legend at some point

[steel meadow]

did u start playing in gen 5?

[full bison]

And nowadays Arceus and Deoxys are available through means besides events so the terminology is more confusing than ever! Yaaaaaay!

[dusty arrow]

yeh

[dusty arrow]

my first game was black 2

[marble meadow]

i was coping but i will say no legends in this if update

[steel meadow]

i feel like the gen where u start in u just give some random pokemon legendary status

[alpine rune]

I thought Volcarona is a pseudo legend

[steel meadow]

i thought spritomb was legendary too

[full bison]

Also Meloetta

[dusty arrow]

i thought haxorus was a psuedo

[alpine rune]

I was excited for a pseudo that's not a dragon

[dusty arrow]

haxorus should be a psuedo

[steel meadow]

which was so cool to think that a champion had a legend

[full bison]

I'm fine with Haxorus not being a pseudo

Not every 3 stage Dragon needs to be Pseudo

[dusty arrow]

ok but like

haxorus kinda fits it

weak first stages, and evolves at high levels

...
ok tbf the high level thing doesnt help because its a unova pokemo

[unkempt kernel]

Haxrous has everything to be a pseudo besides stats

[steel meadow]

i feel like the gen with haxorous shouldve had a non dragon pseudo though

[full bison]

Axew and Fraxure evolve relatively early to when they're caught

Especially compared to most Gen 5 mons

[unkempt kernel]

3 stage slow exp group dragon mon

Since most pseudoes are dragons

[dusty arrow]

so since bagon is obtained at level 18 in rse, and he eolves at level 30, that means he shouldnt be a psuedo because he evolves relatively early to when hes caught

[steel meadow]

tyranitar/metagross moment

[full bison]

F it, let's get Duraludon a Pre-evo so we can argue about Archaludon needing to be a Pseudo instead. I'm sick of constantly arguing this

[marble meadow]

next week final reveal

[steel meadow]

archaludon is a japanese "pseudo" though

as their definition is different to ours

[dusty arrow]

dratini can get caught at level 25 and evolves at level 30

so basically

[marble meadow]

unless its a 2 stage or 1 stage mon

[dusty arrow]

this isnt really a good point

[unkempt kernel]

Oh yeah any non myth with 600 bst is a pseudo there right?

[steel meadow]

i believe so

they call it something like powerhouse pokemon i think?

[dusty arrow]

slaking is something

[dusty arrow]

thats the official term

[full bison]

If we wanna talk bad points, why is being a Dragon such a big deal for Pseudo status with TTar and Metagross around

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah powerhouse or the 600 club

[dusty arrow]

but its also a stupid term so i choose to ignore it

[dusty arrow]

because dragons (especially in early gens) were treated as this rare, powerful type

[steel meadow]

"first partner pokemon" 🤮

[full bison]

Literally if Haxorus wasn't a Dragon nobody would care about whether or not it should be a pseudo

[steel meadow]

if dragon type pokemon had the same stats as regular pokemon we'd realise that the dragon typing really isnt that powerful

[dusty arrow]

i mean yeah the dragon type doesnt feel that powerful offensively and defensively

[steel meadow]

defensively i think it feels powerful in the games

but offensively its just bleh

[dusty arrow]

its 4 resists are the starter types and electric, and its weak to the best type in the game, a good offensive type that a lot of pokemon have for coverage, and itself

and its only strong against itself, but is resisted by the best type in the game and completely ignored by the other best type

[unkempt kernel]

Dragons are scared of the colour pink

[full bison]

Dragon also hits every type except itself, Fairy, and Steel for neutral, so it's a good offensive type

[dusty arrow]

so that means normal is a good offensive type because only rock and steel resist it?

[full bison]

Yes

[dusty arrow]

dude

[steel meadow]

it is good i just like to hit things for super effective

[full bison]

Just ask Ursaluna

[dusty arrow]

neutral hits arent the best

[dusty arrow]

he had a stab boosted facade with guts boosting a 140 base attack stat, and also normal/ground is an amazing type combo

[unkempt kernel]

I would dispute that with persona mechanics but those are irrelevant so I’m not

[full bison]

Yes, and half that amazing type combo is Normal.

[dusty arrow]

because ground covers all of the resists normal has

[full bison]

Because it hits so much for good neutral damage

[unkempt kernel]

Actually not even persona, megaten in general

[dusty arrow]

any move coming from a guts boosted, stab boosted 140 base power move is going to hurt

i worded that horribly

my english isnt working great rn

[steel meadow]

i wish we had a special huge power or guts

[full bison]

Normal is a very good offensive type. It's just that most Normal moves suck and Steel is commonplace

[dusty arrow]

we do have a special guts

but only drifblim has it

[steel meadow]

huh

we do?

[inland oar]

all toads are frogs actually

[steel meadow]

i thought drifblim had unburden and...

[steel meadow]

actually does it get sp.atk if its burned?

[dusty arrow]

this is in sv btw lol

[full bison]

Base 90 SpA getting boosted

[steel meadow]

i should do something fun with Flare boost fusions in pif...

[dusty arrow]

its his ability from the dream world

although since drifblim is a bulky thing it doesnt really

have a use for flare boost

well, "bulky"

[steel meadow]

wait drifblim is awful for fusing a sp attacker

cuz u want it to be head for its hp stat aswell

[dusty arrow]

flare boost will always be ha regardless

the best fusion for it would probably be drifblim/alakazam

106 speed, 105 special attack, and ghost is a great coverage type for psychic types

reshiram/jolteon can be hilarious

wanna know why?

oh wait

reshiram has flare boost in pif

[steel meadow]

it does?

[dusty arrow]

yeah

reshiram and the drifloon line

[steel meadow]

thats cool

guess i'll use that instead of the useless drifblim

[dusty arrow]

tail glow + quick feet lol

[steel meadow]

nasty

[dusty arrow]

make sure its a reshiram head so its not immune to burn

[steel meadow]

you want it to be head anyways for the big special attack stat

[dusty arrow]

reshiram/jolteon actually might be your best option

it has the highest speed stat (other then electrode and deoxys)

and tail glow if you want to nuke the entire game

...

nvm they all have tail glow

because reshiram gets tail glow from a tutor probabl

y

[steel meadow]

yeah reshiram has it

although speed is valuable

[dusty arrow]

jolteon is the best if you only want to use one legendary/mythical

but overall, reshiram/deoxys is definitely the best one for flare boost

150 special attack and 130 speed

[steel meadow]

id probably just pick a cool sprite from any fast pokemon

[dusty arrow]

just took this screenshot for you since why not lol

[steel meadow]

im already scrolling through it

[dusty arrow]

dang

my favorite ones are probably the reshiram/noivern, reshiram/weavile, and reshiram/alakazam

[steel meadow]

reshiram fusions do be tickling my eyes rn

didnt know people could use it this well

[humble lance]

some ideas for the last three mons

[dusty arrow]

i see no bias here what so ever

[steel meadow]

498. Zygarde 499. Zygarde 500. Zygarde

[dusty arrow]

ngl i like this regigigas/machamp

and it also is guts boosted

[steel meadow]

id be so down for furfrou/minior/diancie though

[dusty arrow]

furfrou would be cool

fur coat is a funny ability

[humble lance]

furfrou minior diancie is a good trio

[steel meadow]

also if u get it reasonably early it will be so useful too

[dusty arrow]

im still holding out hope for crawdaunt and ice type magikarp

[steel meadow]

what options do we have for adaptability right now?

just eevee?

[dusty arrow]

and porygon-z

[steel meadow]

oh right

if only porygon-z wasnt so slow

[dusty arrow]

[humble lance]

snover abomasnow + minior/diancie would also be cool

[steel meadow]

do you only make jolteons?

[dusty arrow]

i dont sprite

ive made a few sprites but they arent that good

[steel meadow]

yeah i figured but u only suggest jolteons for fusions

[dusty arrow]

well i mean

jolteon is good for fusions

[steel meadow]

it is

[dusty arrow]

good speed, good special attack

[steel meadow]

i probably wont use it though as i just had a jolteon in my last run in pif

[dusty arrow]

volt absorb is a great ability

alr fair enough

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-amoonguss-among-us-sus-whos-that-gif-20298355

[steel meadow]

had a goated blissey/jolteon

[dusty arrow]

for pory theres also this one

[steel meadow]

(it used a gogoat sprite)

[dusty arrow]

if amoonguss gets added we already know what all the fusions are gonna be

[steel meadow]

amoogus

and weirdly phallic fusions

[dusty arrow]

i like this porygon-z double fusion

the blue parts look great

[steel meadow]

i liked using porygon/gengar. untill it died tragically.

[dusty arrow]

hold on

CONGRATULATIONS SEB

YOU WIN THE LAST SPOT ON MY TEAM WHERE YOU PICK THE FUSION AND ILL NAME YOU AFTER IT

OR WAHTEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE NAMED

[steel meadow]

uh. uh. uh...

am i allowed to use legends?

[dusty arrow]

yeah

any fusion

[steel meadow]

so much power

[dusty arrow]

it would make sense to be one of your sprites but idc lol

[steel meadow]

all of my sprites are shit in-game

[dusty arrow]

dies

[steel meadow]

Ill be nice

Tyranitar/Gliscor with poison heal

[dusty arrow]

this one?

[steel meadow]

I love the sprite and it has my favorite ability of all time

Yes.

[dusty arrow]

alright

what shall the name be

[steel meadow]

seb

cuz im too lazy to come up with a cool name

[dusty arrow]

why is this a gengar base

[steel meadow]

it was inbetween him or my breloom/gliscor which im sure is poo in-game

[steel meadow]

idk but i weirdly like it

[dusty arrow]

i mean 106 attack isnt bad

the main thing pulling it down is the grass/flying type, and only 65 in hp and spdef

technician and poison heal are great abilities though

and if i wanted i could put an assault vest on it and have a technician set

[steel meadow]

but the whole point is that i wanted a fun poison heal mon for you

[dusty arrow]

fair enough

[steel meadow]

so needed to give u a decently bulky one

[dusty arrow]

dragon dance on the tyraniscor is gonna be funny

the only problem is

physical flying stabs suck ass

and gliscor doesnt get brave bird-

but i mean gyarados makes do with it so

[steel meadow]

dragon dance will make up for it hopefully

if thats the set ur going for

[dusty arrow]

probably

[steel meadow]

like eq, rockslide, dd, aerial ace i guess?

idk im not good at theorycrafting

[dusty arrow]

also im bored so uhhhh

im gonna let you swap out one pokemon in my mono-ice team

since i dont really like it

[steel meadow]

i dont have anything for ice types in mind

[dusty arrow]

this is the mono-ice you shall swap out
make sure that the fusion you choose doesnt overlap with these types:
psychic, dragon, water, ghost, and flying

[steel meadow]

let me look around

only ice type ive sprited myself thats fully evolved is this monstrosity

[dusty arrow]

this is a certified delibird

honestly the main thing i want it to have is swift swim? since i have a drizzle user on the team

but idk if theres anything that doesnt have water type in the fusion but still has swift swim

...

OH RIGHT

SWIFT SWIM

DOESNT WORK

[steel meadow]

[dusty arrow]

well then uhh

[steel meadow]

i love not being able to set up weather teams

[dusty arrow]

truly

also btw i dont want a legendary fusion

[steel meadow]

(its my favorite type of teams )

[dusty arrow]

since i liked to limit it to one legendary per team

unless i give up and cant find anything for it

for example, my bug team

[dusty arrow]

psuedos and slaking are fine though

[steel meadow]

im looking through mamo fusions right now

i adore mamoswine.

[dusty arrow]

why arent there that many jolteon ice type fusions bruh

[dusty arrow]

understandable

[steel meadow]

i think people dont like to sprite jolteon that much

i know i dont like to sprite spikey stuff atleast

[dusty arrow]

ngl i might use this glaceon/electrivire

decently bulky, good special attack, decent speed, has thunder to be used in rain

plus it loks p cool

[steel meadow]

also glaceon is underated

you should go for it

[dusty arrow]

glaceon/galvantula is pretty good too

[steel meadow]

im not cooking so far with the ones ive found

[dusty arrow]

yeah, i feel like mamoswine doesnt get the great of fusions sometimes

[dusty arrow]

WAIT

COMPOUND EYES BLIZZARD AND THUNDER

coming from 119 special attack

[steel meadow]

i love some of the sprites but it just doesnt work out in game

[dusty arrow]

i was building a chlorophyll thing in my poison team

..forgot again

NO SPEED BOOSTING ABILITIES

would you like to assist me in finding poison types

the types i have now are fire, fairy, dragon, and normal

and the legendary is freed up

[steel meadow]

let me look if i have a decent poison type that ive sprited atleast

i still havent seen myself in a hof except when i use my own sprites

[dusty arrow]

lol, fair enough

you have made

yanma/roserade, heracross/venomoth, azumarill/toxapex, stufful/bedew, and venipese/bulbasaur

so uhh

i dont think those are going to

be very good

i wanna use an arbok fusion for coil

[steel meadow]

what does even coil do

[dusty arrow]

bulk up but also boosts accuracy

[steel meadow]

oh right

[dusty arrow]

these are my favorite of the arbok fusions

i think sharpedo could be very funny because speed boost

bu luxray has guts

[stoic canopy]

Arbok has like shockingly good fusions

[dusty arrow]

ikr?

the arbok/kyurem just looks cool as hell

same with salamence and krook

i think sharpedo would be best gameplay wise

[steel meadow]

poison/dark typing could be nice aswell if u dont have that

[dusty arrow]

since speed boost + coil

yeah i dont have a poison/dark

[steel meadow]

its like a top 5 favorite dual typing for me

[dusty arrow]

arbok/sharpedo it is

now we have the last spot

that can actually be a legendary

[steel meadow]

now i was thinking of clorophyll strats

[dusty arrow]

ikr i was gonna have that as my previous poison team but

yknow

[steel meadow]

i was going to look into venusaur with chlorophyll

my brain need to forget weather

[dusty arrow]

..ok i might swap out typhlosion/gengar because i like this chandelure/roserade

like

all four of these are cool af

[steel meadow]

yeah those are awesome-

[full bison]

Roserade fusions are almost all great and more people need to notice that

[dusty arrow]

imma go with the shattered glass one

[steel meadow]

counter point

i think she looks goofy

[stoic canopy]

…what’s the yanmega one look like?

[steel meadow]

idk

[dusty arrow]

seb hasnt made yanmega lol

[steel meadow]

i just made the yanma

[full bison]

Yanmega has so few fusions it's insane

[dusty arrow]

this

[dusty arrow]

I KNOW

[steel meadow]

yanmega looks nice

[next flare]

Chromaerym sprite
I remember the thread

[steel meadow]

bugs are really hard to work with imo

although i appreciate our bug spriters so much

[stoic canopy]

Looks like a power ranger monster imo

[dusty arrow]

might go with nidoking/deoxys as my legendary

[next flare]

I need to make more yanma/mega sprites
I don’t have enough

[dusty arrow]

130 attack, sheer force boosted gunk shot and zen headbutt

[full bison]

I don't understand why Yanmega has so few fusions. It's a really good Pokemon stats wise to the point of IF Showdown suspect testing it and it looks super cool

[dusty arrow]

or poison jab, if i want more reliable hits

[steel meadow]

yeah id go poison jab

[next flare]

Any viable competitive fusions that need sprites?

[steel meadow]

i hate inaccurate moves

[full bison]

The big ones I've heard of have all been sprited I think

[dusty arrow]

after looking through the rest of my mono-teams i think they are all perfect

for me at least

there are so many pokemon i want to use for them like golisopod but i dont feel like getting the beta

[steel meadow]

maybe i should start to consider in-game viability for my non if sprites now

[full bison]

I don't really have my thumb over the Showdown situation that much, I just know that Hydreigon/Yanmega is an absolute menace thanks to Tinted Lens and boosting moves

[dusty arrow]

unrelated, but make an ice type magikarp fused with regigigas and my life is yours

[steel meadow]

i only unfortunately make goats nowadays

[dusty arrow]

dies

[steel meadow]

i havent posted a fusion in months

[fathom ridge]

completly unrelated but i found a youtube comment by you in the wild :0

[steel meadow]

ice type skiddo?

[full bison]

Gogoat being fused with something bulky could be a good mon if you wanna make something viable

[dusty arrow]

ive actually had an idea for a

hold on-

[steel meadow]

i wanna make use of its grass typing, what is a good defensive combination with grass?

[full bison]

Grass Pelt is just sitting there, unabused. And what fun is an ability that isn't being abused?

[steel meadow]

poison?

[full bison]

Steel

[dusty arrow]

gogoat/ice type magikarp

[steel meadow]

oh right steel

ferrothorn moment

wait i hate spriting metal

[full bison]

Aside from Steel, Fire is solid on Grass offensively and defensively

[steel meadow]

grass/fire is badass

[dusty arrow]

seb could i dm you the idea when i kinda draw the idea

grass/fire is cool as shit

love that typing

[steel meadow]

if you want to but i cant promise i wont use it

one of my first fusions i used was a arcanine/leafeon

loved that little guy

[full bison]

I so wanna have a grass/fire type for my future Sun team but also a bunch of the team will be Fire and Grass anyway and I dunno how much that'd add if I'd be spreading those 2 types out anyway

[steel meadow]

has frog promised to fix weather?

[full bison]

Weather is fine, it's speed abilities that are the problem. And yes, Frog has mentioned trying to fix them

[steel meadow]

yeah but speed abilities is like half the reason for using rain or sun atleast

[dusty arrow]

sent the very well drawn idea

[clever vigil]

Phat

[dusty arrow]

he looks adorable

[full bison]

I keep forgetting that Lickilicky's around, but fusions like that are pretty neat

I do kinda feel bad for it though, how it's evolution using Rollout was originally there because it was going to be part wheel, but now it just feels like they're making a fat joke

[dusty arrow]

well lickilicky could always get an evolution

[grave jolt]

oh wow scrafty is getting in

[full bison]

I genuinely have no idea what the last few Pokemon could be besides my guess that slot 500 is a Mythical. I was banking on Mienshao this whole time but I really doubt it now

[clever vigil]

Still hoping for Archen and Archeops

[full bison]

Not sure they'd be added without Tirtouga

[clever vigil]

Getting put into IF could fix the whole defeatist thing

[grave jolt]

Archen line, Pachirisu 🙏

[clever vigil]

I was also hoping for Zangoose and Seviper but i doubt they will get added

[grave jolt]

Similar to my third favorite fossil line, I've been defeatest about the chances.

[full bison]

I guess Bronzong would be cool to see cause Heatproof and Levitate could minimize a lot of it's fusions

[grave jolt]

imagine a steel/bug with heatproof

[noble holly]

My hope for the last slot I guess Salandit line.
Bring more variety to the game with its ability
Also more poison type

[full bison]

I think Gen 4 is also the only Gen we don't have a rep for this update yet

[twin phoenix]

Gothitelle 🙏

[dusty arrow]

thick fat better

also would still be a 2x weakness

[grave jolt]

what steel and/or bug type has thick fat

[dusty arrow]

good question

[dusty arrow]

my answer to that is

im from the future and its from gen 12

my source is trust me bro

[grave jolt]

ah, so not relevent to fusions then

[dusty arrow]

nah it is

in 10 years

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-tummy-slap-belly-slap-pokemon-gif-3721550777642990712

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-espurr-hello-gif-15490371

im still rooting for them

[dusty arrow]

would meowstic take two spots?

[flint tiger]

we gotta get pachirisu, it’ll only take one slot

[dusty arrow]

the genders have different abilities and appearances

[elfin goblet]

yes but it makes fusion making for them more interesting

[clever vigil]

Nidoran is counted as two pokemon in IF

So yes. It would

[dusty arrow]

oh alright then

i think id be fine with both meowstics getting in

we would get another competitive user and a prankster user

[grave jolt]

Nidoran is special since it's gen 1 😌 /j

Really though, it's prob dependant on if they share a dex entry

[elfin goblet]

Spheal is my boi and is my second favorite water type in the series 1,3 and 4 are already in

[dusty arrow]

they have different dex entries

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[elfin goblet]

i wouldint mind champion maker pachi getting in

[dusty arrow]

i do not care if pachirisu gets in

[grave jolt]

it's the World Champion difference

[dusty arrow]

i dont really like pachirisu

imo its just that too many people overhype its relevance in that singular tournament win-

dedenne was when i started liking pikaclones tbh

[grave jolt]

I also think it's neat

[dusty arrow]

i mean, fair enough

[grave jolt]

dedenne?

[dusty arrow]

its just kinda boring imo

[dusty arrow]

dedenne isnt my favorite pikaclone, its just when i started liking them more

pawmot is my favorite pikaclone

followed by morpeko

[grave jolt]

Dedenne was when I started disliking the pikaclones

[dusty arrow]

why?

[grave jolt]

idk, I just really didn't like it in the anime.

[dusty arrow]

fair enough

what about togedemaru, morpeko, and the pawmot line?

[grave jolt]

The rest just never had the wow factor
Pikachu has always been one of my favorite pokemon, so being less pikachu-like just left them with their sub-par stats.

[dusty arrow]

i hate pikachu lmao

and pawmot doesnt have subpar stats

its pretty dang good

and of course, tera-electric double shock is peak comedy

[grave jolt]

Togedemaru feels too much like Dedenne.
Morpeko has an interesting gimmick, too bad it's easily bypassed. Do like the design tho
I dislike the design of Pawmot to an extreme degree.

[dusty arrow]

what did pawmot do to you

[grave jolt]

If I don't like the look of a pokemon I can't use it 😔

[dusty arrow]

why do you not like pawmots design

is silly fella

and saying "its too much like pawmo" is not a reason

[grave jolt]

idk something's just off about it

[dusty arrow]

i like him

[outer matrix]

Small hands?

[full bison]

I at least appreciate Pawmot trying something different with the tired formula

[dusty arrow]

im kinda excited to see if they will do another pikaclone evolution line

[full bison]

I want Pikaclones to be abandoned outright TBH

[dusty arrow]

i mean

[grave jolt]

ig I'm just exactly the type of person who loved Mega Charizard X (Though less as time passes. love megas in general though)

[full bison]

The only one that still stands out is Pachirisu, and that's only cause of Worlds

[dusty arrow]

theyve only existed since gen 3

[grave jolt]

blue

[dusty arrow]

unlike psuedos and mammals and birds and bugs

all of those have been around since gen 1

[grave jolt]

that's 2 decades

[dusty arrow]

wow

one color

so that makes morpeko more unique because it has purple and two forms!

or dedenne since it uses orange!

[outer matrix]

A pikaclone that's also the regional bug?

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-shiny-pokemon-squirrel-gif-26992650

[dusty arrow]

also minun

is blue

[full bison]

Pseudos and regional birds all have way more variance than Pikaclones

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-pawmot-shiny-pokemon-gif-13631028260905683347

[full bison]

Same with bugs

[dusty arrow]

not what i meant

i was just bringing up the fact that those have all existed since gen 1 meanwhile the first pikaclones were gen 3

[grave jolt]

tbf, the pikaclone trend started because everyone made fun of Azumarill for looking like Pikachu

[dusty arrow]

i..

dont think thats why they started

also it was marill

[full bison]

Pikaclones started to sell more merch

[stoic canopy]

I do think it’s funny that S&V pikaclone had 3 forms, like the actual Pikachu.

[full bison]

That's all they exist for

[grave jolt]

as with all pokemon trends 😔

[dusty arrow]

in japan

pikaclones are actually called the electric pouch group

..cuz they all have electric pouches

[full bison]

Some people consider Pichu a Pikaclone

[dusty arrow]

they are wrong

[fallen loom]

funny because Plusle and Minun are some of the worst

[grave jolt]

🐿️ 🐿️ 🐿️ 🐿️ 🐿️

[dusty arrow]

true

also apparently pachirisu is the only of the pikaclones to actually be stated to be related to pikachu

[stoic canopy]

Mimikyu is the best pikaclone. No contest.

[dusty arrow]

mimikyu isnt an actual pikaclone

but if it was it would be the best

[fallen loom]

not even Morepeko???

[grave jolt]

the way I've seen some people hate on Raichu would make you think it was a pikaclone

[dusty arrow]

nope

[stoic canopy]

I know, that’s the joke.

[dusty arrow]

wh

why are people hating on raichu

[fallen loom]

people hate Raichu?!

[full bison]

Most people I see talking about Raichu are sad it doesn't get as much attention

[dusty arrow]

EXACTLY

LET RAICHU USE LIGHT BALL

[grave jolt]

LET THE PIKA LINE USE A LIGHT BALL

let all pikaclones use the lightball

[stoic canopy]

And make the golden child worst by association? Never

[dusty arrow]

i know you are right

but still

[dusty arrow]

yeah

and mimikyu

for the funny

[fallen loom]

Morpeko looks like an alt for Pichu and I hate it

[dusty arrow]

or mimikyu could have a fake light ball that only boosted its attacking stats by 50%

[grave jolt]

Imagine a plush of Pachi holding a lightball

[grave jolt]

the dim ball

[full bison]

I despise Morpeko for making our first Electric/Dark type some Monokuma wannabe

[dusty arrow]

i like morpeko

you just dont understand its greatness

[grave jolt]

I wish Morpeko was good

[fallen loom]

More like Monotype! it doesn't even work properly as an Electric/Dark!

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/morpeko-pokemon-anime-gif-24367920

reminder of that time i swept someone with morpeko

[full bison]

I also kinda resent Pikaclones for hoarding all the decent physical Electric moves that Luxray and Electivire have been craving for over a decade

[dusty arrow]

by hoarding all the decent physical electric moves do you mean..

volt tackle, and pikachu..

[fallen loom]

Nuzzle

[dusty arrow]

nuzzle

is not locked behind pikaclones

[fallen loom]

it's not?

[full bison]

Zing Zap, Double Shock, Aura Wheel

[dusty arrow]

double shock isnt really

good

i dont see people using burn up outside of fire tera

[dusty arrow]

boltund, and toxtricity

...

[grave jolt]

Plusle gets spark ig

[dusty arrow]

thats it lol

[dusty arrow]

everyone gets spark

[full bison]

Still better than Electric Take Down and Electric Jump Kick

[dusty arrow]

fair

[dusty arrow]

also i completely forgot about zing zap

and for some reason i was thinking of "oh aura wheel would be dark type every other turn though" even though thats only just

[full bison]

I think Pincurchin also gets zing zap

[dusty arrow]

because of morpeko ability

[full bison]

But it's Pincurchin

[dusty arrow]

correct

yeah.. i dont think pincurchin is gonna be using the flinch chance of zing zap

[grave jolt]

Every Electric Physical move

[fallen loom]

Hatenna can have Nuzzle too apparently

[full bison]

As someone who bought Violet I kinda resent Pincurchin too TBH

[dusty arrow]

i do not care for pincurchin

[dusty arrow]

and also why-

[full bison]

It's the only Electric Surge mon available cause Koko got dexited

[dusty arrow]

ok

so

[full bison]

So it's the only option for abusing Quark Drive

And it sucks

[dusty arrow]

oh yeah

right

that ability exists

on the worse version of paradoxes

[fallen loom]

why were SM legendaries done so dirty? Other than the box legends and Necrozma, the rest were banished

along with XY legends

[dusty arrow]

there are only 3 xy legends

oh

wait

the xy legends arent-

WHY ARENT THEY IN SV??

SNACKSWORTH WHAT THE FUCK

[fallen loom]

Legends ZA

lack of SM legendaries is no excuse though

[grave jolt]

Extremely overpowered dominence of the Meta for a decade

[dusty arrow]

hold on

let me go check on how arceus is doing

oh?

still good in the meta?

since gen 5?

[full bison]

And yet Rillaboom was allowed through without a nerf despite powercreeping Bulu

[grave jolt]

Arceus is special, since it's pre-kalos

[fallen loom]

Grassy Glide got a nerf

[dusty arrow]

step 1 on how to see if someone dislikes modern pokemon

[grave jolt]

I like every pokemon that isn't Gen 8, 9, or an Ultra Beast

[dusty arrow]

step 2 on how to see if someone dislikes modern pokemon

[fallen loom]

step 2, look at Fairy type and wonder just WHY GF made it resist Bug and why Ice doesn't resist Fairy

[dusty arrow]

ok this is fair

also

WHY DOES FIGHTING RESIST BUG

and vice versa actually

never understood that

[grave jolt]

you ever tried to karate chop a wasp?

[dusty arrow]

no because i have an extremely rational fear of wasps

[grave jolt]

Fair

[fallen loom]

Psychic, Fighting and Dark are the Bug fearing combo

except Fighting is dumb

[stoic canopy]

You don’t really fight bugs in the same way you don’t fight poisonous things

[grave jolt]

try punching an ant

[dusty arrow]

i feel like it would make sense if poison beats bug

even though that would make bug worse

also on a related note

parasect and paras were the first and only pokemon to ever have three 4x weaknesses

[grave jolt]

a lot of bugs actually resist most poisons irl, and new even more deadly ones have to be made every year.

[dusty arrow]

oh

dang.

[grave jolt]

It's a war of attrition and they are winning

[stoic canopy]

Yep, realistically you need to replace a can of raid every 6 months or so.

[fallen loom]

How to nerf Fairy:
SE against Dragon, Dark and Fighting
Weak against: Poison, Steel and Bug
Types that it resists: Dark and Fighting
Types that resist it: Ice, Psychic, Poison, Steel, Fire and Bug
Immune to: Dragon

Steel: Go back to resisting Dark

[dusty arrow]

we do not need steel to be even better rn

[grave jolt]

Keep Fairy immune to dragon

[dusty arrow]

its still the 2nd best type in the game next to fairy

[grave jolt]

Make Fairy weak to fire

[fallen loom]

fixed

[outer matrix]

because poison type used to be super effective to bug type, right?

[dusty arrow]

yep

and vice versa

in gen 1, poison was weak to bug and bug was weak to poison

[stoic canopy]

See I don’t think fairy should be weak to bug. A lot of the fae where kinda bugish or have bugs as there minions.

[dusty arrow]

YES. MAKE FAIRY WEAK TO BUG.

MAKE BUG BETTER

DONT LISTEN TO ABBY

[grave jolt]

Make bug resist fairy

[stoic canopy]

See that makes sense to me.

[grave jolt]

Make Grass resist fairy too

[dusty arrow]

it also resisted ghost btw

steel type i mean

which would make aegislash even scarier

[fallen loom]

now Fairy is reisted by 6 types and it has another weakness, so now it's super nerfed and lame

[dusty arrow]

"super nerfed" grip

you do realize

[fallen loom]

I chose it to keep it as-is

[dusty arrow]

that like

gamefreak doesnt care

[grave jolt]

Finally, Paras has a use (resisting a Pixilate hyperbeam from Mega Gardevoir)

[dusty arrow]

you saw what they did to psychic in gen 2 right

[dusty arrow]

who tf is running hyper beam on mega gardevoir outside of the funny

[grave jolt]

me cuz funny massive laser lol

[flint tiger]

I say we get rid of dragon’s weakness to fairy, and ig to balance it out, do something with dragon vs steel

because knights usually use swords to slay dragons

[dusty arrow]

i mean i also like running adaptability hyper beam on porygon-z but uhh

[molten loom]

Someone with pixilate maybe

[grave jolt]

Make Dragon and Steel mutually SE on each other

[fallen loom]

Fairy but 1/3 of all types resist it

[dusty arrow]

fairy but any bug moves makes all fairies in a ten mile radius explodes

(it makes bug like b tier probably)

[grave jolt]

Shedinja stocks go way up

[fallen loom]

I wish they'd just nerf Fairy and buff the RIPB types

Rock, Ice, Psychic, Bug

[grave jolt]

the gimmick of Fairy as a type is that it's super powerful

[fallen loom]

the gimmick should be it's powerful but super rare (like 10 in existence) that or have it act like any other type and have a stupid amount of weaknesses

why isn't Electric OP for that matter? It has one weakness

[grave jolt]

All the good fairy types normally end up near the end of the game or in the post game. Comp just makes it so you can have an even amount all things being otherwise equal.

[grave jolt]

its weakness is Earthquake

[fallen loom]

Gardevoir

[dusty arrow]

why isnt normal op?

(outside of gen 1 and 2)

[fallen loom]

because it's not SE against anything

[dusty arrow]

nuh uh

[grave jolt]

Electric pokemon also tend to not be good

the good electric types are great

[fallen loom]

Electric is one of two types that can counter Water

[grave jolt]

The bad electric types are terrible

10% of all electric types are pikaclones

[dusty arrow]

ice type is the least plentiful type im pretty sure

[fallen loom]

my point is the type there's the least of should dominate competitive and not be one of the worst types, while common Water and Fairy get all the praise

[dusty arrow]

give dewgong 200 in every stat

that would make it balanced im sure

[grave jolt]

Fairy isn't even in the top half of all types

[prime dust]

yep, 58 total mons with the ice typing, only of which 19 are pure ice

at least as of august 12, 2024

[dusty arrow]

fairy has like, 70 or 80 right?

[prime dust]

69 fairy type mons, 30 of which being pure

[fallen loom]

So top 10 line picks for new mon in IF (just realised the chat):
Binacle line
Cosmog line
Karrablast line
Shelmet line
Minior
Skrelp line
Clauncher line
Dewpider line
Vikavolt line
Drillbur line

[dusty arrow]

dragicroadon when

[prime dust]

the only thing in here we can't get this time around is the cosmog line

not enough slots left

[coral axle]

There’s many I would want

[fallen loom]

there could be a stealthy staff vote or something

[full bison]

Cosmog would be 4 slots tho

[fallen loom]

screw Necrozma and getting in like 100 slots before the box legends it fuses with!

[dusty arrow]

my last three hopes are crawdaunt line + ice type magikarp

[fallen loom]

also I meant in general

[grave jolt]

Tyrantrum/Tyranitar/Haxorus when

[full bison]

The big ones I want are Mienshao and Naganadel, but I super doubt either of them getting in

[grave jolt]

Tytaxorus

[dusty arrow]

why those three

they dont have much in common

[grave jolt]

t rex pokemon

[dusty arrow]

...

i dont see it outside of tyrantrum

[full bison]

Haxorus isn't really much of a t rex

[fallen loom]

Haxorus, Baxcalibur, Iron whatever and Tyranitar are all based on godzilla stuff

[dusty arrow]

also, dear god, rock/dark/dragon would be a horrendous typing

4x fairy weak, 4x fighting weak, ground, ice, bug, steel

[prime dust]

unless it yields another x8, it wouldn't be that horrendous

because that is the only way it is truly horrendous

[fallen loom]

worst triple fusion?

[full bison]

Regiregi

[dusty arrow]

regitrio probably

[prime dust]

birbs or regiregiregi

they both have x8 weaknesses

[full bison]

Birds at least have serene grace

[dusty arrow]

i want a sandslash/raticats/arbok, just because of the failed fusion

it would be neat

[grave jolt]

Tytaxorus would have a 4x weakness to fighting

[fallen loom]

is that why the regi trio fusion looks awful (ALL OF THEM too)?

[dusty arrow]

and fairy

[fallen loom]

I want triple fusion of the Hitmons

[dusty arrow]

im pretty sure they have said before that the hitmons might get a triple fusion

[grave jolt]

name it Hitmon

[full bison]

I want a Weezing/Muk/Garbodor triple fusion

[fallen loom]

not a thing?

[dusty arrow]

electabuzz/magmar/jynx

[grave jolt]

Birds but not legendary

[fallen loom]

I think Jinx is the problem there

[dusty arrow]

and psychic instead of flying

and no 8x rock weakness lol

[fallen loom]

birds but lower BST and replace Flying with Psychic

[dusty arrow]

i think the typing would actually be better

[prime dust]

you mean this?

[dusty arrow]

yeah

[grave jolt]

that's amazing yes please

[dusty arrow]

i just think its neat

and i also love raticate

[grave jolt]

ik it has terrible stats but also it's cool

[prime dust]

it exists without existing

there's a bunch of triples that are hidden away if you have all the files, but most of them don't exist in game, so they just are sprites

[dusty arrow]

tell them

[outer matrix]

If barcacle got in, then a triple fusion with hydregon & dodrio would make multiple heads

[full bison]

Magneton/zone?

[dusty arrow]

it should be hydreigon/dugtrio/dodrio because they all have three in their name

and three heads

[prime dust]

that'd just be a literal hydra

[grave jolt]

the tripple fusion

[dusty arrow]

it would be cool though

[grave jolt]

Dragon type too

[prime dust]

but even if a sprite of it gets made, the chances frog adds it to the game are slim

[dusty arrow]

dragon/dark/ground/normal/flying?

[full bison]

Nonuple fusion?

[dusty arrow]

dragon/ground/flying?

[fallen loom]

how about Dodrio, Dugtrio and Hydreigon?

[prime dust]

far as i know triples have to "make sense"

[dusty arrow]

thats just what i said

im copyrighting you now

get sued idiot

[grave jolt]

Psuedo triple fusions would be cool

[dusty arrow]

true

[fallen loom]

I missread as Barbaracle/Dodrio/Hydreigon

[dusty arrow]

or a triple fusion of all the psuedos

dragon/fighting/steel/psychic/flying/rock/dark/ground

[fallen loom]

I thought there was a triple of some of the psuedos

[dusty arrow]

idk

[grave jolt]

Dragonite/Tyranitar/Salemance, Garchomp/Hydreigon/Goodra

[dusty arrow]

kommo-o:

metagross:

[grave jolt]

Kommo-O/Metagross

[fallen loom]

lol

[grave jolt]

Add Haxorus to them for funsies

[fallen loom]

or Flygon

[outer matrix]

Magnezone/Metagross/???
What other Pokémon uses magnetism that isn't here or represented by their final evo?

[dusty arrow]

probopass

[fallen loom]

how about almost psuedo triple:
Aggron/Haxorus/Flygon

[rain locust]

crippling weaknesses, bad defensive typing, lack of recovery or utility

[outer matrix]

Triple magnetism fusion

[grave jolt]

Steel/Dragon/Ground/Dark

[dusty arrow]

wouldnt be half bad because levitate

[fallen loom]

Rock

[dusty arrow]

WHAT FLYONG TYPE???

[grave jolt]

nvm

[dusty arrow]

NONE OF THEM ARE PART FLYING

[grave jolt]

Mistook Flygon for flying cuz fly is in its name

[dusty arrow]

bruh

[fallen loom]

Aggron is Rock/Steel

[grave jolt]

True, but nobody likes rock type

[rain locust]

bro made evil agxorgon

[full bison]

Rocks are cool

Rock moves aren't

There's like 3 reliable rock moves

[grave jolt]

Being Rock type without rock stab is terrible

[rain locust]

who doesnt have rock stab

[grave jolt]

And now adds an 8 times weakness to Ice

[stoic canopy]

There really needs to be more rock moves.

[grave jolt]

rock isn't weak to Ice wtf

[full bison]

We need more Rock moves that are actually accurate and not constant miss risks

It's such a good offensive type and it doesn't matter cause it keeps freaking missing

[grave jolt]

Give it no guard or something idk

[full bison]

Midnight Lycanroc has no guard

But like

It's midnight Lycanroc

Slow AF and dies to a gentle breeze

I guess it can be fused to mitigate all that but having high attack and nothing else is awful for fusions

[fallen loom]

because IF doesn't have a legit way of getting Rock Slide or Stone Edge!

[prime dust]

points to Onix for both

[full bison]

Ah yes

[fallen loom]

I mean TMs

[full bison]

Onix

The thing that hits like a paper towel

[fallen loom]

yes because everything has to be ONIX fusion to get Rock coverage

bring the Rock TMs back!

[full bison]

Onix's Attack is 15 points higher than Caterpie

[dusty arrow]

oddish has 5 more attack than onix

[glass quail]

GIVE US MALAMAR

[stoic canopy]

Would we have to flip our computer monitor to evolve it?

[dusty arrow]

no because then it wouldnt register it

you would have to flip the pc itself

[full bison]

Malamar would give us another Dark/Ghost Shedinja fusion, so that'd be nice

[humble lance]

so what does everyone think #500 is gonna be

[dusty arrow]

a mythical

[humble lance]

im hoping either minior or diancie

i think minior would be best for a 500 pokemon/500k members celebration mon

hm what other legs/myths would be a cool celebratory mon...

[full bison]

Victini or Diancie both fit the circumstances

[remote ibex]

praying for minior

[full bison]

The Pokemon themed around the Roman numeral V to represent Gen 5 being added at slot 500 to celebrate 500k members just makes sense

[remote ibex]

this has been the appeasement add for all the unadded mons in last vote
-# except for kommo-o line but im chill with that

[full bison]

I also would like Manaphy but that's a personal thing more than anything

[full bison]

Manaphy would also come with Phone tho, which is...

Well, it's phione

[humble lance]

phone

[dusty arrow]

phone

[humble lance]

my favorite pokemon

phone

[dusty arrow]

i love phone

[full bison]

Thanks autocorrect, love ya

[humble lance]

[dusty arrow]

also you cant fix it

its too late

[full bison]

And that's the first and last time anything interesting has happened around Phione

[dusty arrow]

true

[humble lance]

the leg/myth could also be a two or three slotter at this point
doubtful on three but its possible