pif-hoenn-discussion

[quaint matrix]

Oh wait Druddigon

[fallen loom]

Water and Normal are tied with the most Pokémon left to be added

[quaint matrix]

Idk about that

Fighting and Bug moreso than Water

[humble lance]

drampa

[quaint matrix]

Oh you mean in quantities lmao

Yeah

[humble lance]

turtonator

[fallen loom]

53 more Water and Normal Types

also Dragalge

7 Dragon Types:
Druddigon
Zygarde
Dragalge
Turtonator
Drampa
Guzzlord
Naganadel

7 Ghost Types:
Frillish + Jellicent
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

[twin phoenix]

Praying for Mienshao and Medicham but it might be Sawk and Throh.

[fallen loom]

I wanted the Cosmog line to make it, but not enough slots

5 slots left, but 2 are before Lotad

[quaint matrix]

Technically we could revert to the old Pokemon addition way and just add in the final evos

But like actually don't tho

[fallen loom]

do you think the 2 before Lotad will be Alomomola and Luvsdisc or an actual 2 stage line?

Gen 3: 73/135 (54.07%)
Gen 4: 63/107 (58.9%)
Gen 5: 45/156 (28.8%)
Gen 6: 34/72 (47.22%)
Gen 7: 20/88 (22.73%)

[robust niche]

Last 3 probably will be xyz trio

[hardy tartan]

k, so we have a two-stager and a three-stager
OR two two-stagers and a single-stage
OR a two-stager and three singles
OR five single-stagers
that's right, right?

and the best guess is a two-stager OR counterpart 'mons and then three legendaries?

[next flare]

Rooting for that Drampa + Furfrou + Alomamola + Luvdisc + Throh combo

[white meadow]

give me zygarde or give me death 🧑‍🌾

[hardy tartan]

i'm gonna say the likeliest is probably gogoat + the XYZ legendaries
but binacle + two minior forms + furfrou or tropius would be ideal

[hardy tartan]

i want my Thousand Arrows
so you can have death

[white meadow]

dies

[sinful smelt]

HOLY SHIET LOTAD IS IN

[hardy tartan]

🤔 the one advantage of having xerneas in the game, i think*
several years back, i had the idea of a fakemon legendary which was a deer based on a transmission tower (see below)
so this could be a... klinklang/xerneas fusion? maybe with the tower getting more complex with each member of the line?

*assuming the final three spots are in fact for the XYZ legendaries

[next flare]

Transmission tower deer also feels like a good cryptid concept

[alpine rune]

How many slots left?

3 more?

Or did i miss some things?

[deft obsidian]

super fly

[proud lion]

5 left.

[alpine rune]

[ember bear]

damn

[alpine rune]

Man I want camerupt so bad

[ember bear]

2 for xy duo, 3 for zygarde

hmmmm

[alpine rune]

That could be

tbh now its definitely up in the air

I doubt frog would add lunala solgaleo without the useless babies

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/aromatisse-perfume-monster-camera-pan-pokemon-anime-gif-27404587

[alpine rune]

NOOOOO

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/simisear-saturday-simisear-gif-23454368

[twin phoenix]

Box legends, come on~

[alpine rune]

I just dont like aromatisse

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[rain locust]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-fusion-bases-912848-4 finally, the tiermaker

[humble lance]

[steel meadow]

its so gogover

is there only 3 slots left?

5 would be 2 before ludicolo line and then 3 after?

[quaint matrix]

No okay but like

We can redeem Aromatisse

[next flare]

There are still 2 open between Slurpuff and Lotad

[quaint matrix]

As I've mentioned I firmly believe we're looking at only two possibilities

Two-stager > Lotad line > Two-stager > Mythical (Victini)

OR

[steel meadow]

so its technically not gogover

i think for sure we get furfrou in the last 3

[quaint matrix]

Two stager > Lotad line > three Legendaries/Mythicals (Either Solgaleo/Lunala without the babies as a tradition break with Victini or XYZ gang)

[deft obsidian]

sword of justice ?

[steel meadow]

so i think its "2 stager > furfrou > 2 boxlegends"

[next flare]

I agree with the earlier prediction of Skiddo + XYZ

[deft obsidian]

Zygarde probably take more slot

[quaint matrix]

I just think if 500 (coinciding with anniversary of the game iirc?) isn't filled by like the marquee funny winner Mythical it feels a little bust

[next flare]

Heatran instead

[quaint matrix]

Shit I'll take anything over Volcanion

[steel meadow]

but how many similar rat mythicals do we need?

[quaint matrix]

I mean true

Maybe it'll be another errant unknown and like

[deft obsidian]

Manaphy phione

[quaint matrix]

"OUT COMING WITH THE STEEL CHAIR IT'S MAGEARNA"

But that would just be weird at this point

[steel meadow]

id hope its magearna or diancie for spriters sake

[quaint matrix]

Necrozma even being in without the Cosmog line feels weird tbh

[steel meadow]

maybe even shaymin but thats 2 slots

[deft obsidian]

Necrozma was mistake

[quaint matrix]

Oh my god wait

Could that be the two stager between Slurpuff and Lotad

[next flare]

I meant Volcanion
I mixed up the gross forgettable unique fire combo legendary names

[quaint matrix]

Lmao

[steel meadow]

technically yeah it could be shaymin

[quaint matrix]

That would be so sick ngl

[steel meadow]

but i think we're only getting one legend or one pair of legends

less work for the frog to fit in more unique ways to get said legends in the games

[deft obsidian]

Could that be volbeat and illumise? Because they was bottom of the vote

[steel meadow]

it could

has the bottom vote always made it in?

[quaint matrix]

God Tail Glow being removed from the Expert Move tutor just for those two would just be the worst timeline

[trail hull]

I was asleep, what Lotad is in game

[steel meadow]

yes the funny dancing pineapple made it

[deft obsidian]

I rather manaphy

[steel meadow]

i want manaphy without phione

i still dont understand why the baby form of manaphy looks like a wrinkly grandma

[quaint matrix]

Yeap!

One of the earliest secret discoveries

[steel meadow]

i think i went to bed right before u guys found the hidden ludicolo in the game

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/phione-pokemon-surprised-gif-19126034

[trail hull]

Wait guys , we don’t know about 493 and 494

[proud lion]

Imagine next week’s reveal prompt is a fighting tournament

[steel meadow]

oh it isnt that bad in the anime

[steel meadow]

goat 🙏

[trail hull]

I Hope

There’s only 5 slots left

[quaint matrix]

I'd be so happy if it's the Gen 4 "two-stager" mythicals, either or

[proud lion]

A mysterious hooded figure could be sabotaging the contenders with it’s poison moves and a Hawlucnha fusion would take it down after rooting for it and it would reveal the opponents cloak to be a fighting type with Poison jab that’s not in the game yet

[quaint matrix]

But I'm down with basically everything

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-croagunk-king-throne-gif-16367260035413576996

Croagunk Line, Gogoat Line and Victini. That way we hit all generations this round

[steel meadow]

Croagunk, Gastrodon, Hippowdon and Floatzel theres so many cool 2 stagers in sinnoh

[trail hull]

Also we have 5 slots left but we didn’t get any gen 4

[proud lion]

And hey, Spheal could be this year’s Christmas gift since all 500 would be revealed by the time Christmas arrives

[steel meadow]

Thats cuz the last five is burmy + 3 wormadams + mothim

[trail hull]

lol

[steel meadow]

They would definetly fuck up the dex to add those goof balls

[unkempt kernel]

Damn, Ludicolo line wasn’t what I was expecting but it’s cool

[steel meadow]

I really like Ludicolo line

But its hard to not be dissapointed when my fav is loosing its chances

[trail hull]

Don’t worry there’s 2 more chances for it to get in

[unkempt kernel]

Bro my fave is a pika clone lmao

[fresh salmon]

Finally

[trail hull]

I think you might have posted in the wrong channel or did I miss a part of the discussion

[steel meadow]

I think XYZ legends feels more and more like a lock in for the last three the more i think about it

So 1 chance left

[steel meadow]

Yeah ur chances are doomed

What rat do u want?

[unkempt kernel]

World champion squirrel

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[quick silo]

It was on my CTRL+V, I just post on "Artwork", sorry :p

[steel meadow]

You and Pachi girl should form an alliance

[unkempt kernel]

We did

[steel meadow]

An alliance of propaganda spreading and mind control to get the rat

[unkempt kernel]

During the vote

[steel meadow]

Oh

I assume without the mind control part though

[rose canyon]

where is inceneroar

[unkempt kernel]

Pach and Minior tho

[steel meadow]

Incineroar is not happening this year unfortunately

[unkempt kernel]

^

It’s the gen 6 starters this year

[steel meadow]

This would be a crazy combo for the other two open slots

[unkempt kernel]

It would but would be funny

Rock elec tho isn’t the best typing tho, then again I made it work in mono elec

[steel meadow]

I feel like legitimately minior is still in the running to get in atleast

Pachi idk

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah pachi I don’t have high hopes for sadly

[steel meadow]

Its insane how many grass types we got this round

Lurantis, Gourgeist, Chespin (what the hell is the big guy called in this line?) and Ludicolo

[rain locust]

chesnaught

[trail hull]

I Hope we have some more room for a grass goat

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-dancing-pokemon-ludicolo-gif-8176036

[unkempt kernel]

I can’t wait for them to be added for a new run (probably a run with all new mons or that guilty gear run)

[steel meadow]

If frog is considering typing as he is adding pokemon then its definetly gogover

[marble meadow]

lets go silly ludicollo can’t wait to see fusions with silly hats

[steel meadow]

crocalor reference fusion when?

[trail hull]

I think he isn’t considering typing as we got a lot of grass type

[unkempt kernel]

Gourgeist / Lurantis will be on both teams cus it was a request I made

[steel meadow]

Contrary Lurantis will be the most fun in-game

[marble meadow]

do u think there is another reveal today or next week

[trail hull]

Next week

[sharp nebula]

im noticing a distinct lack of lilligant announcements

[steel meadow]

I would assume it would stick to a new reveal every sunday still

So next week is a 2 stager with hopefully gogoat

and then week after that they drop XYZ legends on us

[marble meadow]

my bet is on malamar

[steel meadow]

Im going to bet on excadrill

Idk why but im feeling a little mole action in my left toe

[marble meadow]

i think 500 will be a mythical

Or the first ub

[proud bluff]

I really want UB, like, my favorite of them is Kartana but from a spriting standpoint I think Nihilego would be hype

[unkempt kernel]

Clown UB would be cool

[marble meadow]

my guts say it will most likely be diancie

[proud bluff]

Ooo Blacephelon

[unkempt kernel]

Hm, should i get th beta or nah?

[rain locust]

diancie

[steel meadow]

UB wise i like Xurkitree the most for spriting i think

Diancie gotta be the mythical if they add it right...?

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-head-roll-jester-gif-5390395606877382630

[steel meadow]

If we get victini im kicking the rat

[marble meadow]

anyway I want to believe that number 500 is something special

[steel meadow]

i adore this guy

[steel meadow]

would furfrou be special?

[rain locust]

clearly its this guy

[steel meadow]

That would be the most out of left field move from the frog

Just give us emboar from unova starters

[clear lichen]

Would be hilarious

I'd approve

[marble meadow]

i could also be wrong and the last slot is a 1 stage mon

[steel meadow]

Frog does always add one troll addition no?

[clear lichen]

Tbf, Emboar is a lot better than a lot of the other Pokemon that could be considered a troll to include

[marble meadow]

it’s gonna be amoonguss for the next slots

[clear lichen]

The troll here only makes sense with context

Though, most fans would know Emboar is a starter

And would expect it alongside the other Unova starters

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/amongos-amoonguss-pokemon-amogus-gif-20782627

[steel meadow]

Im really afraid of the volbeat/illumise timeline for 493/494

[clear lichen]

It'd be hilarious

[steel meadow]

I would be in shambles though

Imagine your favorite loosing to the dumb ugly bugs

[clear lichen]

Also, that'd remove Tail Glow Reshiram from the game, and Tail Glow Reshiram has 0 reason to exist

[steel meadow]

I think they already removed tail glow from the tutor already no?

[marble meadow]

malamar would be a nice addition

[clear lichen]

Oh fr?

That'd be great

[steel meadow]

I think someone said that

But dont quote me on jt

[clear lichen]

Some people probably want their broken funny tail glow 150 SpA mon with 2 good offensive types

But personally, hell no lmao

[steel meadow]

Was ampharos tail glow on move tutor or learnset?

Ampharos should get to keep it

[rain locust]

tutor

[clear lichen]

Tutor I'd bet

Iirc, Ampharos doesn't get Tail Glow

[steel meadow]

[rain locust]

if showdown is accurate

[clear lichen]

So it'd be a tutor move if it got it in IF

[steel meadow]

Yeah but just like theoretically i feel like the lighthouse pokemon with a glowing tail should get tail glow

[marble meadow]

now I hope things go smoothly and the Sprite issue repo got fix

[steel meadow]

Even if its gone from tutor

[clear lichen]

It does make sense, and isn't broken unlike Reshiram which tbh also makes sense

Well, probably not broken

Maybe

[rain locust]

tg amph is not broken

[steel meadow]

How does reshiram make sense?

I need to look at its design again

[clear lichen]

Reshiram's tail glows

So does Zekrom's

[steel meadow]

But wouldnt say... charizard make sense with tail glow then?

[clear lichen]

But yeah what I'm thinking is Ampharos is usually pretty bad, so what'd be the worst that'd come from giving it Tail Glow?

[clear lichen]

I dunno

Charizard isn't broken either though

So I wouldn't mind

[marble meadow]

493/494 gonna be solrock lunatune

[steel meadow]

Tail glow + solar power + sun against npcs would be fun

[rain locust]

tg solar power

[grave jolt]

Imagine getting hit with that

[clear lichen]

Thankfully, Megas aren't here

[steel meadow]

I could see it if it wasnt for their ugly bodies

[grave jolt]

alas 😔

[steel meadow]

I wish we had some of the weaker megas

Like sableye

[marble meadow]

or maybe malamar inkay

[clear lichen]

I dont want to see the abominations that the stronger megas would make in fusions

[grave jolt]

I want drought on my Charizard I gotta fuse it with Ninetails or Torkoal

[steel meadow]

Wait is sableye even one of the weaker ones with prankster...?

[clear lichen]

Mega has Magic Bounce

And no, it's one of the stronger ones

[steel meadow]

Oh right

Im small brain

Well like... meditite then

[rain locust]

+3 252 SpA Life Orb Solar Power Charizard/Jolteon Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 799-941 (111.9 - 131.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[marble meadow]

topsyturvy go brr

[clear lichen]

I may have made an error

[quaint matrix]

I mean it's a little unfair to just be blank Blissey

[proud bluff]

truthfully i also like the prospect of white smoke on other things in monofire

[clear lichen]

Ah well, it's Rock weak and taking a lot of chip, it'll be fine

[marble meadow]

can’t wait to have it in if the move topsy turvy

[steel meadow]

Blissey is by far the tankiest special tank we have

[proud bluff]

not shuckle?

[rain locust]

+3 252 SpA Life Orb Solar Power Charizard-Jolteon Overheat vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey-Dusclops in Sun: 538-633 (94.3 - 111%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[steel meadow]

I dont even know if u can fuse a better special tank

[grave jolt]

that's +3 lmfao

[steel meadow]

Nvm u can

[clear lichen]

That's because we're talking about if it got Tail Glow

[steel meadow]

Cuz of the health pool i think blissey wins

[clear lichen]

Ah well, it's frail, rock weak and taking Solar Power chip

I'm sure it'll be fine

[proud bluff]

oh thats fair

[quaint matrix]

See there it is

[grave jolt]

Nvm I forgot what tail glow did

[quaint matrix]

+3 Sp. Atk

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-spin-rotate-pokemon-scarlet-violet-gif-2551289956493589259

[proud bluff]

with eviolite tho??

[rain locust]

+1 simulates eviolite

[proud bluff]

oh gotcha

[grave jolt]

Thought Tail glow was accuracy

[rain locust]

s rank move to f rank move speedrun

[proud bluff]

bruh I got swept by a random trainer because their Alakazam/Clefable metronomed tail glow

[grave jolt]

I mean, +3 accuracy is pretty decent I think

[quaint matrix]

With that distribution?

No way lmao

[steel meadow]

What would u even need +3 accuracy for?

[clear lichen]

Who is spending a turn to click a move that only makes its slightly inaccurate moves accurate

[steel meadow]

Hitting sheer colds?

[quaint matrix]

When you really hate Rock moves

[proud bluff]

me when I hone claws

[clear lichen]

Instead of a move to make you do 2.5× the damage

[quaint matrix]

I mean at least Hone Claws raises Attack

[steel meadow]

Hone claws makes sense for like excadrill if u wanna click rock slide

[proud bluff]

Or stone edge

[clear lichen]

Hone Claws is definitely worse than Swords Dance

[steel meadow]

Although swords dande is just better

Stop being faster than me

[grave jolt]

God I want Excadrill in the Game

[rain locust]

these are fine

[rain locust]

sheer cold is unaffected by accuracy boosts

[clear lichen]

Aerilate Espeed sounds terrifying

But uhhh

At least it takes up the item slot?

Wait, would it start with Multiscale

Then turn into Aerilate?

[rain locust]

in showdown it stays as aerilate

[clear lichen]

... Hell no

[quaint matrix]

Man it stinks so much that Aerilate is Mega-exclusive

[grave jolt]

Could you imagine +3 Guillotine if that was possible

[rain locust]

unless youre base head holding mega stone

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

Start as the base

Then Mega evolve

[rain locust]

if the mega mon is body you cant mega evolve

[clear lichen]

Interesting

[steel meadow]

Oh so like i made a large lapse in judgement when i thought sableye was fine

[clear lichen]

That said, we're still starting as Multiscale to get a free DD

Then Mega evolving to gain Aerilate

[rain locust]

you lose 4 atk and 13 spe though which is p significant

[clear lichen]

Ig

And you do need to keep rocks off for free DD

[quaint matrix]

Well base Sableye is pretty poopoo tbf

[clear lichen]

But like

Free DD

[grave jolt]

I just saw that Ludicolo is getting in, Rain stocks are going way up!

[proud bluff]

time for my liepard hone claws sweep

[quaint matrix]

Pachiiiiiiii

Yeah Lotad line is on

[rain locust]

kingdra outclasses ludicolo as a rain abuser

[quaint matrix]

Actually pretty shocking tbh

[steel meadow]

Is ludicolo even good as a rain sweeper anymore?

[grave jolt]

I've been asleep for the past few hours

[grave jolt]

in gen 7? Absolutely

[steel meadow]

im just thinking for fusing

[clear lichen]

Kingdra being one of the best rain sweepers in Gen 7 when it has like what, 85 across the stat board?

It's pretty funny

[steel meadow]

i feel like yeah kingdra and such will have stronger fusions

[rain locust]

95

75 hp/85 spe

[clear lichen]

Close enough

Ngl they did Kingdra dirty with its stat spread

[steel meadow]

Early gen moment

Now they min max some stat spreads like crazy

[rain locust]

kingdra blows ludicolo out of the water bc draco is so much better than whatever grass move ludicolo can use

[weak trellis]

back when the earlier gens really wanted attacking stats to be the same smh

[grave jolt]

Just needs to fuse with someone who has good speed really

[quaint matrix]

Gardevoir

[rain locust]

low spa low spe

death sentence

[steel meadow]

Dont u get speed from your ability?

I thought we wanted swift swim on it

[rain locust]

yes but base spe also matters

[weak trellis]

meanwhile I'm like "90's decent, about 70 is where I start calling an offensive stat low"

[rain locust]

bc otherwise scarfers can outspeed you

or dd/qd mons

[weak trellis]

oh yea if you're in comp then anything below 100 is basically bad for most stats

[steel meadow]

Oh, i thought swift swim was basically a guaranteed outspeed

[quaint matrix]

This is all still assuming Frog fixes the Speed-affecting weather moves anyway lmao

It's fixed in Pokeathlon but I mean yknow

[rain locust]

unfix it in pokeathlon

[quaint matrix]

[steel meadow]

ive spent like 2 hours in this chat

im going to touch grass now

[grave jolt]

At least for ingame teams Ludi will be good.

[fallen loom]

I though Spheal would have got in first of the two

[quaint matrix]

Yeah it's kind of a steal from Spheal line but oh well

[sturdy frost]

I think ludi is a great addition, both sprite and comp wise

[rain locust]

comp wise its a nothing mon

[clear lichen]

I mean if you want to stack swift swimmers it's like

[quaint matrix]

Funny watery Mexican ducks is probably better aesthetics than rotund fatter Seel line

[sturdy frost]

(team comp, not quite competitive)

[quaint matrix]

[clear lichen]

The 2nd best option we have maybe?

[rain locust]

id sooner use golduck lol

[clear lichen]

I was thinking you get Grass STAB on Ludicolo for water

But I remembered

This is a fusion game

[quaint matrix]

Tbf there isn't PU and ZU yet in IF Showdown

[clear lichen]

So that doesn't matter

Ludicolo L

[quaint matrix]

I imagine Ludicolo's luck will turn around if lower tiers can exist

[grave jolt]

Literally every stat on golduck is worse

[clear lichen]

More speed and SpA than Ludicolo

We ball

[rain locust]

exactly

[quaint matrix]

Last I checked in the canon games Ludicolo is like top tier in ZU so like

Hey who knows

[clear lichen]

Ludicolo's Grass type for opposing Waters doesn't matter anymore since you just fuse

Ludicover

[quaint matrix]

And you don't want Ludicolo's Grass type anyway because Grass

Grass Nation friends we're gonna have to keep up the good fight...

[grave jolt]

ah it's PU in Sun/Moon

[clear lichen]

Rain teams lean heavily into offence

[quaint matrix]

[clear lichen]

The Grass type on Ludicolo helps offensively against other Water types

[fallen loom]

Grass went from one of the least complete types to one of the more complete ones

[quaint matrix]

It's not enough

We must have more

[fallen loom]

just please add in Scraggy next!

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-spin-speen-lilligant-grass-type-pokemon-gif-5875405386001547453

https://tenor.com/view/leavanny-pokemon-bug-grass-hello-gif-18653110

[clear lichen]

Grass gains credibility offensively simply because Water is such a prominent defensive type

[fallen loom]

Lilligant will probably be mon 557

[quaint matrix]

I guess it helps that Water can feel a little more fear now with Freeze-Dry's existence

[rain locust]

add w virizzion

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/bananabreadbutter-lilligant-petilil-lilligant-infestation-blink-182-gif-9559589496548305903

https://tenor.com/view/vespiquen-bee-queen-combee-pokemon-gif-7554565503359702535

Man Vespiquen/Haxorus would rock so hard...

[fallen loom]

Maractus

[grave jolt]

Ludicolo isn't weak to much, and gets ice coverage to hit two of the three types it is weak to.

[rain locust]

the problem is that its weak

[fallen loom]

Grass seems to be a pretty popular type for some reason

[grave jolt]

It's just not good for fusions since its stats let it down.

[fallen loom]

Skiddo
Bounsweet
Maractus
Petilil
Leavanny

[clear lichen]

Yeah the fusion metagame hurts Ludicolo

[fallen loom]

honestly need more Bugs and Fighting

[clear lichen]

Since like the reason you use it over other Swift Swimmers is SE STAB vs Water

[grave jolt]

Ludicolo is like the opposite of what you want in a fusion game lmao

[clear lichen]

But like

That doesn't matter when you can just make Golduck a Water/Electric etc

[fallen loom]

just fuse with with another Grass or Water Type to give it better stats and maybe more coverage

[clear lichen]

Thing is, why do that instead of fusing something to a Swift Swimmer with better stats?

Ludicolo's type is what makes it stand out from other swift swimmers

It loses that in Infinite Fusion

Unfortunate

[fallen loom]

Frog: Ludicolo in the game!
Legenddragon800: You picked wrong.

[grave jolt]

It's pretty good for non-fusion runs

[clear lichen]

Nah, it's a fine choice for sure

Especially aesthetically

[marble meadow]

who was it again with the raindish ability

[clear lichen]

But it won't be making a massive splash in a competitive sense

[grave jolt]

It's decent competitivelt, just not good

[clear lichen]

Unless you need that many swift swimmers

[grave jolt]

Funny enough, also ludicolo

[clear lichen]

Earlier I said it'd be a 2nd choice but after realising this is a fusion metagame, it's like 3rd or 4th

[marble meadow]

i see

[proud bluff]

squirtle and tentacool HA

[rain locust]

thing you guys havent considered though is that weve complex banned drizzle + swift swim similar to gen 5

[clear lichen]

Swift Swim also doesn't work in base game lol

[clear lichen]

It's so Ludicover

[marble meadow]

Well I ain’t complaining reaveals still are solid

[rain locust]

so swift swim viability tanks

[clear lichen]

They boutta run Rain Dance like the Gen 3 days frfr

[rain locust]

instead you use something like this

[clear lichen]

Yoooo Water Spout on a fast mon

[grave jolt]

Dislike the sprites so nah

[quaint matrix]

Good grief...

Speaking of Water/Electric

I'm surprised Lanturn's pretty bad considering Volt/Absorb for Water/Flying

I mean then again Lanturn's stats is pisspoor

[rain locust]

its mainly the stats yes

[quaint matrix]

Boneless Drifblim lol

[grave jolt]

In IF you really just want stats. Good Typing and Abilities are a dime a dozen.

[clear lichen]

Drifblim with bones is a scary visual

Why tf the balloon has bones

[rain locust]

no sprite

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-perfect-zygarde-zygarde-perfect-pokemon-pokemon-xy-gif-6971736008687605923

Can't wait for my boi to get in :3

[quaint matrix]

I just assume it got bones inside its blimp tbh

Considering all the kids it steals

[fallen loom]

I thought you meant like a rib cage

[clear lichen]

I think it just drops them off in hell I don't think it eats them

[rain locust]

i would welcome zyg in if

itd probably be banned though

[quaint matrix]

Is there any other big boy Pokemon with disadvantageous abilities that hasn't gotten in yet

[grave jolt]

Very swiftly; but I just want the dog form

[quaint matrix]

Because I'm so certain Archeops is gonna wreck in IF

[rain locust]

itd probably not be great

[quaint matrix]

Surely

Not even UU?

[rain locust]

uu sure

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that's good enough for me

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-goofy-goober-silly-intense-gif-8165086753498951633

[grave jolt]

Flying type physical attacker with massive stats

[rain locust]

no brave bird

[quaint matrix]

Who knows

[grave jolt]

no Brave bird

[quaint matrix]

Maybe Frog will give it in his infinite mercy

[clear lichen]

Simply go itemless fr

[quaint matrix]

[rain locust]

there is this ig

[humble lance]

@atomic hornet

[tender plank]

i JUST woke up, how does this keep happeneing

[grave jolt]

Imagine Unbirden Flying-Gem Acrobatics from Archeops

[grave jolt]

there it is lmao

[quaint matrix]

WHAT

No Archeops isn't in

If only

[humble lance]

yet

[clear lichen]

If you were gonna typo it couldn't you have at least typod it as "Unbirden"

I killed chat

:/

[grave jolt]

I mean, Archeops has great stats and good STAB types

[quaint matrix]

I was gonna ask what's like the best fusion for Ubers in Blissey

[grave jolt]

All you'd need to do is get rid of the Rock type and it's good to go.

[quaint matrix]

But I have to imagine it's just the old "give Blissey the mon with high sky defenses"

[grave jolt]

Shuckle

[quaint matrix]

Is it legit Blissey/Shuckle as the common one

[grave jolt]

Prob not since Shuckle is Bug/Rock, but it's a great pokemon outside that.

[rain locust]

blissey dusclops or blissey doublade are good

[quaint matrix]

I have to imagine Normal/Ghost Blissey is a force in Ubers/AG

Ah yep see

[ember bear]

i would have thought something with regenerator

[quaint matrix]

Although I'm surprised about Doublade like whuh

[rain locust]

chansey hooh exists

doublade gives specthief

[wide merlin]

5 pokemon missing, i knew than the next leak will be in the beta .

[quaint matrix]

I was almost gonna ask why not Blissey/Dusknoir and then I realize

Oh yeah Eviolite

[ember bear]

chansey/dusknoir

[rain locust]

blissey dusclops better

[grave jolt]

I'd imagine Toxipex is also a good choice

[quaint matrix]

It would be Normal/Poison right

[rain locust]

its alright

normal water

[quaint matrix]

Ah

[rain locust]

chansey toxapex is a p good vcreate switchin but because its passive af it can get farmed by stuff like stag/bounce/imposter

[grave jolt]

I imagine its primary use would be to hit with toxic and then sit there and heal itself.

[rain locust]

something like scald haze toxic/wisp/tspikes recover

[grave jolt]

also has ability choice between Merciless and Serene Grace, Maybe natural cure too.

[rain locust]

all of those pale in comparison to regen

[grave jolt]

True, but there's some alternatives if you want weird strats.

[quaint matrix]

Pachi did you know I'm doing a Blissey run

You should give it a peep

[finite reef]

Only 3 spots remain, looks like the Cosmog line is out of the question...

[clear lichen]

As a massive Lunala fan, Cosmog line was never in the question

[finite reef]

We dont have any mons like Cosmog, and we somehow dont have a lion pokemon yet

[clear lichen]

I dont think any of the box art legendaries have a chance

But I could be being too pessimistic

[finite reef]

We already have Necrozma, so it had a decent chance imo

[quaint matrix]

Wait wtf you mean 3

[tender plank]

aren't there 5?

oh my god is there ANOTHER gap?

there is.

[quaint matrix]

No there's just 5

[tender plank]

sighhhh
so it's a double stage and then either a 3 stage, 2 stage+ 1 stage or 3 1 stages

[finite reef]

Well... Cosmog line is still out of the question

[grave jolt]

Zygarde and Spheal are still both technically possible!

[bronze barn]

uhmm

Gogoat's possible

Mienshao's still possible too!

[unkempt kernel]

Wait how?

Zygarde has 3 forms

[grave jolt]

Not at the same time obv

Zygard also carries the other Alphabet legendaries with it

[unkempt kernel]

Ah right, cus with that it means technically athe gen 6 box art legends are possible

[steel meadow]

Zygarde for last 3

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah, which makes 5

[steel meadow]

Xerneas/yveltal for pre ludicolo

[unkempt kernel]

So the 2 before are xern and yahveltul, then the last 3 are zydog, zysnek and zybig

[steel meadow]

Although i dont think frog would split them up in the dex

[unkempt kernel]

I mean necrozma would be split if we got solgaleo and lunala

so

[steel meadow]

Yeah

But now he has a choice

Like he couldve just put ludicolo after slurpuff

[alpine rune]

I kinda wanna ask frog

[unkempt kernel]

Praying for Gothitelle tho

[alpine rune]

Like what happened with weather abilities in game

[steel meadow]

Id be happy with gothitelle

[alpine rune]

Ik it broke but like after 3 updates?

[unkempt kernel]

Gothitelle line
Pach
minior

Those are the 5 i'm hoping for

[grave jolt]

I really want Walrein for weather wars

[alpine rune]

I'm hoping for just Incineroar line and amoongus /j /s

[unkempt kernel]

Abomasnow tho

For hail

[alpine rune]

That's the thing, some of the weather abilities don't work in game idk why

[grave jolt]

Specifically the speed ones iirc

[alpine rune]

I think it worked at 5.3 but since 6.0 it just don't work some reason

[alpine rune]

I wonder what happened

Ludicolo would have swiftswim as one of its abilities

So I'm really looking forward tbh

[grave jolt]

No Hyperspeed Steel Mole

[alpine rune]

"Sandslash better"
-anaconja

[unkempt kernel]

Excadrill would be cool too

[grave jolt]

Might have to do a Sandslash run, since the every time I look at what I want from a pokemon it's right there

Only bad thing about Slash is the stats I think

It's not bad, but certainly not the best

[unkempt kernel]

Sandslash bodies are much better than heads

Tho 65 base speed is a bit eh

[trail hull]

where did you get that it looks cool

[tender plank]

the pif wiki

[trail hull]

oh ok

[trail hull]

okay time for some sprite sats for the new mons:
Jangmo-o:116
Hakamo-o:59
Kommo-o:134
Wimpod:66
Golisopod:118
Fomantis:77
Lurantis:201
Carbink:437
Chespin:102
Quilladin:53
Chesnaught:93
Fennekin:104
Braixen:85
Delphox:179
Froakie:77
Frogadier:41
Greninja:134
Torkoal:84
Pumpkaboo:133
Gourgeist:170
Swirlix:80
Slurpuff:220
Lotad:3
Lombre:0
Ludicolo:3

[white meadow]

Did they skip numbers for the Pokedex again?

[ember bear]

yeah

[white meadow]

Dang

So now there's..

9 left?

I'm not good at maths

[ember bear]

5

493 and 494 were skipped and the lotad line is 495/497

[ember bear]

that's a lot of carbinks holy

"no potential" btw

[white meadow]

Thanks I'm not good with numbers

Btw I tried to make peliper beta sprite on peliper gen 5 sprite

[tender plank]

wait, are we allowed to discuss the beta pokemon here? obviously not the gen 10 leaks or unreleased future stuff but just beta designs

if so, then you all know who i'm talking about 1st

[unkempt kernel]

Tirtouga?

[tender plank]

ye

[unkempt kernel]

I mean I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to, they are public knowledge and if alr known Pokemon

[tender plank]

look at them 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹
(spoilered just in case)

[white meadow]

Idk tbh

If hey tell me anything I'll delete it

[tender plank]

same

[white meadow]

Anyways I think I did a good job

Imma delete it and post it again as spoilered

[trail hull]

yeah and slurpuff got a lot of sprites in 13 days

[fathom ridge]

Is this from the new leak?

[tender plank]

mhm

[fathom ridge]

What does mhm mean?

[tender plank]

it's onomatopoeia. i'm just saying yea

[grave jolt]

I've decided I'm gonna do a Dragon Mono-Run

https://tenor.com/view/archen-raptor-bird-dinosaur-fossil-gif-17735079972267837798

[fathom ridge]

Ah makes sense

Were there a lot of beta designs on the leak?

[tender plank]

yep!

tons

[fathom ridge]

For gen 4 & 5 or more

[tender plank]

hol up i NEED to show beta kricketune it's so fuinny

gen 3 too

but not beyond 6 yet

[fathom ridge]

Where can I see these?

[tender plank]

i saw them on centroleaks' twitter

[molten latch]

Finally

My favorite kappa is in

[tender plank]

look at it

[molten latch]

Still no Spheal

[fathom ridge]

Okay were there a beta bisharp desings?

[molten latch]

[grave jolt]

No Spheal

[fathom ridge]

He fat

[trail hull]

we only had beta gen 3,1,4 I'm hzppy we got 3 and 5

[tender plank]

plus the extra gen 4 betas are fun too

[trail hull]

he started going to the gym after this pic

[fathom ridge]

Is there anywhere where I can see these as a gallery? that isnt twitter

[tender plank]

not that i found yet

ok maybe

lemme find it

https://imgur.com/a/pokemon-black-white-beta-sprites-build-dated-12-22-2009-WTqdX1J
ok here's some gen 5 stuff

[molten latch]

Now that Spheal has been debunked

Which pokemon is next to be revealed?

There's only 5 slots left.

[fathom ridge]

Damn I think beta bisharp is one of the “?” Sprites

[tender plank]

not debunked yet...?
there can still be a 3 slot 498,499,500

[fathom ridge]

https://i.imgur.com/XKqmcCd_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand also how is this guy?

Wait a sec

Here, who is this? He was below the bug that evolves when traded with its counterpart

[tender plank]

i legit have no idea lol

[fathom ridge]

A scrapped evo?

I kinda like it ngl, it gives me roserade vibes

[balmy aspen]

Too bad no Gen 8. Still want Corviknight. Don't care about Gen 8 moves.

[fathom ridge]

The beta bisharp sprite is one of the “?” Ones I think so I’m kinda sad

[tender plank]

oof that hurts, maybe the leakers will find something soon

maybe it just wasn;t found yet

it's still relatively new

[fathom ridge]

Eh maybe it just doesn’t exist

Also I love how the beta chandelure sprite just looks a bit plain

What were other cool stuff from the leak?

[velvet root]

Could it be thast this was a Bug type that became the Bisharp line

It looks like a chonky Pawniard as a bug and white hair

[tender plank]

oh yeah they have a little sharp thing

it's like how beta giratina looked barely recognisable

[velvet root]

Also Beta Latias became Latias and Blaziken too so I can see that one splitting

[fathom ridge]

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS GUY

It looks badass!

[molten latch]

I know, however it could be a different pokemon

[tender plank]

why'd you tag zero?

[velvet root]

idk

[fathom ridge]

Idk it was below this guy and it looks like a beta design of the guy that evolves when traded

[velvet root]

Little too bad ass
Pokemon always need a silly attribute

[velvet root]

does shellmet exist in the beta?

[tender plank]

yeah

i think they just look the same

[fathom ridge]

That’s very true, I think luxray was changed slightly to be less cool with I really respect ngl

The modern design is probably better but damn, that thing looks cool

[molten latch]

Oof, my bad

[velvet root]

Its a Important thing in Pokemon designes to not go full cool or scary
You should always add something silly so they look more friend like

[fathom ridge]

Yep, it’s above this guy so it seems they hadn’t figured out the trade evo yet!

[tender plank]

also thinking abt it, shelmet and karrablast are seperate in the actual dex, so what if they were not meant to be linked but then became linked

[hollow creek]

The beta pansear is perfection

[fathom ridge]

I think that’s the case ngl

[fathom ridge]

And this guy got scrapped

[velvet root]

show us

[tender plank]

so maybe karrablast was a single stage and the other one is like mentioned beta pawniard

[fathom ridge]

Kind of a shame he looks cool

The beta monkeys are better ngl

[velvet root]

But too similiar to Pawniard imo

[hollow creek]

bug type roserade

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if these guys are related to the bisharp line somehow

[hollow creek]

beta basculin lowkey goes hard

[tender plank]

i love how the only thing that changed about touga was the colour and some rocks on the flippers were added
this shows that touga was peak design

[fathom ridge]

Beta Crustle sucks lmao

[white meadow]

Wait that emobiar is perfect

[full bison]

That needs to be Aggron/Escavalier if the Karrablast line ever gets in

[white meadow]

Did I do a good job spriting?

[velvet root]

OOOOH looks like the Monkeys were partly inspired by sins too there
Also funny to see Black panther and fire type Zoroark
Basculin looks like a Flying fish mixed with a Piranha

[fathom ridge]

It looks a lot more like the turtle from that very old magazine from gen 2!

[tender plank]

anyways you seen the cacturne concept art yet?

[steel meadow]

I honestly prefer the fat simisear design

[white meadow]

I need him

[fathom ridge]

They made the monkeys worse 😔

[full bison]

Way more personality than ol' 721

[fathom ridge]

It looks like the dog from Heidi

[hollow creek]

NO????

[steel meadow]

simopour looks nicer in-game now

[tender plank]

uh so here it is

[hollow creek]

There is no way that was in the leaks

[fathom ridge]

Honestly wtf were they thinking when they made the monkeys into the modern bland designs

[velvet root]

What if the monkeys werent just based on see, hear and say no evil but also to sins
The water looks like pride
the Fire Gluttony

[full bison]

Analog Horror monster lookin thing

[tender plank]

idk people keep on showing it around

along with other eldrich creatures

[hollow creek]

I actually like the way the head is pointed like that

[fathom ridge]

Show us!

[tender plank]

like there's this one monolith with unowns

[fathom ridge]

Baby alien looks kinda creepy

[velvet root]

Ghost freak? is that you?

[hollow creek]

omg it looks exactly like that ben 10 alien

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostfreak-ben10-gif-27429144

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh that guy is beta timburr!

[full bison]

Honestly I prefer it over the Elgyem we ended up with

[white meadow]

We can use some of this guy's for fusion ideas

No way clamperl desing was sick

[fathom ridge]

Why? Modern one is cute and silly :3

[velvet root]

Lotad was water oddish X

[steel meadow]

what the hell is that fire skitty

[tender plank]

not quite sure what this one was for but it's cool

[full bison]

Skitty looks like a Digimon here

[fathom ridge]

This looks like concept art for something…

[full bison]

Stakataka vibes

[fathom ridge]

Guess we’ll never know

[tender plank]

i've seen on twitter that it could've been used for beta regi puzzles/been beta regis

but that's just speculation

[fathom ridge]

Idk I get the feeling that this was for a spin-off somehow, where there spinoff things in the leak?

[velvet root]

I looked at that with google to see where its from and ended up seeing a Cactus mon but well
Lets say female

[full bison]

we all joke about Pokemon secretly being a horror game but that "regi" thing and Cacturne concept really further the idea

[tender plank]

also there's this shaymin with too much flowers, in contrast with bald shaymin

[white meadow]

Cast form if it was peak

[fathom ridge]

Beta Castfrom looks like a smurf

[full bison]

We could've had a Sandstorm Castform this whole time

[steel meadow]

regular castform is such a good goober

[white meadow]

Better than the current cast form with boobs

[fathom ridge]

There is no frozen Castfrom tho

[white meadow]

Who wanna sprite Sony of them with me

[steel meadow]

autocorrect?

[fathom ridge]

Probably meant some

[velvet root]

I wonder how annoyed GF is that people think the water molecule cloud boi has booba

[full bison]

Rotom Sink

[fathom ridge]

Wait that’s awesome

WAS THAT SCRAPPED?

[steel meadow]

isnt that how a old washing machine looked like..?

[white meadow]

Yeah I use a Spanish keyboard so sometimes the idioms mix and weird things pop out

[velvet root]

I thought it is a Toilette at first

[agile olive]

yeah. but we think it's actually a top loader washing machine

[fathom ridge]

I mean I guess a sink isnt really a machine tbf

[velvet root]

I see why they didnt use that Rotom designe

[fathom ridge]

Oh wait then I’m mad they scrapped it

I kinda prefer it over current rotom wash

[hollow creek]

Beta cacturne is reminding me of that picture of mr incredible in fortnite staring at his phone with his neck at a 90 degree angle i cannot find the picture

[velvet root]

You wanna deal with the Rotom "Toilette" fanart and jokes?

[grave jolt]

wtf this is great

[fathom ridge]

Wait you are right

It looks like a toilet

[white meadow]

I want to sprite some of these dudes but like HD

[full bison]

Pinsir/Shedinja

[white meadow]

Already did it with beta peliper

[fathom ridge]

@glass patio

[tender plank]

kinda sad that aggron doesn't have a beta sprite ngl
although i got tirtouga so i can't complain

[glass patio]

yeah ik

[white meadow]

I had to do it

[glass patio]

i’m gonna make that shedinja

[white meadow]

Joltik doesn't have a beta sprite cause my boy is perfect from the start

[fathom ridge]

With Pinsir perhaps?

[full bison]

what's that thing at the bottom right?

[agile olive]

ok I finally have high quality versions of the g3 sprites
https://i.imgur.com/LcUtnDZ.png

so we can use em for bases and stuff

[glass patio]

First a custom base that mostly looks like the beta sprite
Then a pinsir fusion that has pinsir horns and stuff so it looks more like a fusion

[tender plank]

YOOOOO BETA LAIRON

[fathom ridge]

There are some scrapped mons in there

[tender plank]

so he WAS brown

[white meadow]

So I did this for nothing? 💔

[agile olive]

haha. the raw image always comes out at some point

[fathom ridge]

Is this grovyle?

[velvet root]

Wait
Was scraggy the preevo from Grovyle?

[glass patio]

btw there was a nincada too

[agile olive]

it's 'archaeopteryx' but they reused it for grovyle

[glass patio]

why is it spoilered-

[fathom ridge]

Aw it looks kinda cute ngl

[tender plank]

beta beta archeops

[velvet root]

Some here look pretty nice

[white meadow]

Mine is cool I think

[full bison]

NGL I'd use the heck out of that thing. Looks like a neat little bug

[bold atlas]

probly a PokéStar prop

[agile olive]

yeah the beta nincada and shedinja are cool

[bold atlas]

also ||Laitken|| got to spriting?

[glass patio]

It looks exactly the same

[velvet root]

There is a Gummy Chicken, a Peacock and a regular aaah Polar bear

[fathom ridge]

It looks like the rosseta stone

Also how tf is this guy?

[agile olive]

seedot?

[bold atlas]

could be

[full bison]

Fish Head Lileep

[bold atlas]

There's another that looks like a more grown-up Nuzleaf or a draft of Shiftry

the inspirations are defitinitely less... pronounced in the final

[fathom ridge]

Also the flygon line uses to be all vibraba, so we almost lost trapinch

[velvet root]

Gen 3 dex could have been really bad looking at some of them

[tender plank]

all these beta pokemon are making me feel like i'm in heaven 🥹

[fathom ridge]

Old trapinch also looks very cute tho

[agile olive]

yeah they are..interesting

[glass patio]

meh, i prefer the current one

[full bison]

Trapinch is still in there, the line was just a bit more cohesive

[tender plank]

i think trapinch was before them, and it was just a single stage i believe

[agile olive]

lotad is just a creepy lil guy

[glass patio]

but cool for vibrava/trapinch and flygon fusions

[bold atlas]

and yet Vibrava is the one people forget about

[fathom ridge]

Can someone translate this?

[bold atlas]

but it's the one that stuck with its basis, neat

[full bison]

Flygon without the antennae looks bald

[agile olive]

it's the AM hate speech

[opaque ether]

Man, these leaks have been WILD. Lots of potential fusion inspiration.

[velvet root]

Who tf is she

[opaque ether]

Also, awesome that we got another Hoenn line with the Lotad family!

[bold atlas]

I'm so glad that beta Liepard design got saved for later...

[fathom ridge]

Wait this isn’t official I recognize this text

[fathom ridge]

Yeah that!

[agile olive]

I also have the leaked concept art folder, I shared bits of it in the team chats

[full bison]

Something we would've had lots of Rule 2 of if it came into existence

[opaque ether]

Still holding out for Hoenn's own Poochyena and Mightyena though.

[glass patio]

i’m so glad shedinja didn’t become pinsir 2.0

[fathom ridge]

Old shedinja is kinda lame ngl

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/shedinja-pokemon-my-beloved-gif-24792774

[full bison]

Wait it looks like Manectric was gonna evolve again into some weird star shaped wolf blob?

[fathom ridge]

wtf is wrong with the old spoink line

[humble lance]

feets

[fathom ridge]

Also cute lil guy :3

[full bison]

does Beta Grumpig have an apple in it's mouth

[humble lance]

cleffa shuppet fusion

[agile olive]

I can't believe how much better beta castform is

kinda mad ngl

[fathom ridge]

It looks like a smurf

[white meadow]

Who is he

[humble lance]

lileep but fosh

[velvet root]

Fish bazooka

[agile olive]

dracovish/lileep

[agile olive]

yeha I love himb

[glass patio]

delibird crustle

[full bison]

literal box turtle. I love it

[agile olive]

they think he was gonna be a mythical

[glass patio]

how

[fathom ridge]

Feet monster

[agile olive]

I like the yeti dude

[fathom ridge]

Also kinda sad this two were scrapped

[full bison]

Lord, people would've been weird about this guy

[white meadow]

Mgmgmtm 🤤🤤

[tender plank]

WHAT

[velvet root]

But theyr also a lil boring

[fathom ridge]

Lmao I love this duality

[agile olive]

yeah I posted earlier that I really like the bunny guy, it had a weird name I forgot

[fathom ridge]

You think? The squid is awesome

[agile olive]

oh yeah it was 'foster'

[grave jolt]

I like that Latios and Latias are the same sprite just colored red/blue

[agile olive]

so basically like maushold

[deft obsidian]

Looks like kirby enemy

[cobalt forum]

am i the only one that thinks Cursola feels like a sun and moon mon that would spawn in the same area as Mareanie and its evo

[glass patio]

so like there was a sandstorm castform apparently

[grave jolt]

Sandform!

[full bison]

Is nobody gonna talk about that weird Manectric evo?

[fathom ridge]

Anyways if a beta bisharp is found ping me

[full bison]

the weird green star wolf?

[glass patio]

why is it a starfish dog

[agile olive]

bisharp is gen...4? I don't think there's any of that, it's mostly gen 5+ and for some reason gen 3 is in there too

[hollow creek]

Still thinking about the cacturne

[glass patio]

I think there was some gen 4 in the leaks?

[full bison]

Bisharp is gen 5

[grave jolt]

also, there's no beta Hail Castform I don't think

[glass patio]

oh wait is there a beta chandelure

[agile olive]

uh I posted the gen 5 ones as well but I don't recall seeing bisharp in there

[full bison]

You can tell cause it takes until level 52 to evolve

[tender plank]

ye but it's really just normal

[agile olive]

#1136676184265076818 message

man

beta cofa's hands are fucking awesome

I like it much better

https://i.imgur.com/UIuYa9L.png https://i.imgur.com/vdexzOf.png

[grave jolt]

Imagine a world where we got Sandstorm Castform rather than Hail Castform

[agile olive]

sawsbuck is also peak

[full bison]

look at this dude

also emo lombre

[agile olive]

archeops is the best one

we got a huge downgrade

the elemental monkeys are also way better

[hollow creek]

fat pansear...

my beloved

[tender plank]

oh to be fat pansear...

[glass patio]

Omg that fat simisear

Or is it pansear

Idk

[cobalt forum]

dose anyone else think that their gone break the no gen 8+ mon rule? Like I don't mean anytime soon but maybe a year from now when we get new megas and stuff from legends za

[agile olive]

well depends if the code can work

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-admin-gif-9934513485500594035

[agile olive]

https://i.imgur.com/RkQ4zdQ.png he's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay cooler

[glass patio]

Can’t believe simisear could have gone from being one of the most hated pokemon to one of the best pokemon

[tender plank]

i legit can't believe i'm actually witnessing beta pokemon releases for the first time 🥹
literally the best day of my life

i LOVE beta pokemon

[full bison]

YOOOOOO

[glass patio]

beta wooper my beloved

[agile olive]

I kinda like scraggy too

[glass patio]

beta arceus too

[tender plank]

I was just gonna send.
This one's SO PEAK

[agile olive]

that one was fake lol

[glass patio]

wait really-

[deft obsidian]

It's too cool for pokemon, even better than some legends like lugia and mewtwo.

[agile olive]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonfiresongs/art/Fakemon-sprites-318194890

[tender plank]

???

[glass patio]

Wait no i meant the beta arceus found before these leaks

[agile olive]

oh, ok

[tender plank]

blessed creature. so innocent. probably doesn't even know it's a god.

[hot hamlet]

Question for the beta testers: Will I have to delete the current folder like I had to for the temp repo fix version? Or can U just download the beta separate from the rest?

[cobalt forum]

i hope so especially with all the new regional evos and cross gen evos we have and propebly get in the future those a bigger map expansion would also be cool especially calos or alola

[glass patio]

it’s simply peak

[full bison]

this guy's pretty neat

[tender plank]

it looks like entei/carracosta kinda

[agile olive]

lol. the game is already at 800+ maps, rpg maker has a limit of 999. not possible to add alola unless a bunch of maps get combined

[glass patio]

btw i once found this

[agile olive]

oh speaking of arceus beta lore got leaked

[tender plank]

oh yeah that

[fathom ridge]

Hold up wtf

[tender plank]

it was almost the god of light instead of space

[agile olive]

I once looked into how much you could add by compress maxing (basically putting all the interiors on one map where possible) and you can't add all the regions

[full bison]

Oh yeah Arceus was basically Zeus without the sexual stuff with all the titan slaying

[cobalt forum]

sad i didnt knew that thoe leave it to people to find a workaround for everything

[agile olive]

frog also doesn't want to add more regions

[glass patio]

can’t wait for when we get gen 6 leaks

And then gen 7

beta minior

[tender plank]

i wonder if the gen 6 betas will just be concepts as well they're in 3d

[fathom ridge]

Beta vikavolt

[tender plank]

or like rough sculpts

[full bison]

Tentaquil

[glass patio]

Oh yeah beta pokemon in 3d could be interesting

[agile olive]

there is a workaround...how much it works with pkessentials without loads of extra work is the problem. and it doesn't work with existing save files. and there definitely aren't going to be extra regions added to pif
https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/multi-disc-network.421206/

[fathom ridge]

I wish gamefreak released some behind the scene stuff and we didn’t have to rely on sketchy leaks

[agile olive]

nintendo would never lol

[tender plank]

REAL

[glass patio]

nintendo L

[fathom ridge]

I remember the breath of the wild behind the scene thing, that was epic

[glass patio]

took 22 years for beta shedinja smh

[full bison]

Nintendo's too busy trying to ruin the industry with patent trolling than actually give us cool stuff

[agile olive]

oh yeah I watched the totk design presentation, that was sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dPDsLTrTE

[fathom ridge]

Isnt that beta politoad?

[fathom ridge]

They did it again?!?

Oh I haven’t watched that

[full bison]

y'know, if Basculin always looked like this, I feel like less people would've minded it being a standalone at the time

[fathom ridge]

Yeah it’s kinda weird how more than 0 Pokémons have a better beta design

The elemental monkeys specially

[full bison]

they really made some solid designs with the monkeys and then said "they're not generic enough"

[fathom ridge]

Ikr, I feel like I understand why they did it but at the same time wtf game freak

[glass patio]

Frrr

we got robbed

[fathom ridge]

Straight downgrade

[simple gulch]

this is no diet

[full bison]

Simisear like that absolutely would've ended up higher on the list than 721

[fathom ridge]

I wish they did another massive popularity pool it was pretty cool

[winter mist]

I'm still sad the Floette line wasn't included D:

[full bison]

I'm just holding out for Mienshao at this point

[simple gulch]

it was slazzle

[fathom ridge]

what was slazzle?

[simple gulch]

it was top 3,in popularity

[trail hull]

Here me out , lickitung body

[simple gulch]

kommo oh and goli already in

so whats left is slazzle

[full bison]

I can see the team trying to dance around Salazzle considering how it is

[bold atlas]

looks like a Snorlax