pif-hoenn-discussion

[cobalt temple]

me watching the gitlab drama

[hot hamlet]

Not really drama. This is like shipping workers going on strike and just trying to ride out the problems while we look for a new contract.

[trail hull]

December allow us to have sprites from October so it’s fine

[velvet root]

True

I say we better know all mons a month befoee the update

<@&306953740651462656>

A lil problem here

Or biggish

[drifting mason]

Thanks

[velvet root]

Np

[hexed agate]

I hate discord mobile

[steel meadow]

Was gonna start mass posting goats to bury it

[velvet root]

Its dangerous imo
Sometimes it sends stuff from other chats

[velvet root]

We saw more than enough mass here

But Goats are awesome

[steel meadow]

Exactly.

Happy little cow goat

[velvet root]

True

Both our Cow Goats turned out great

[steel meadow]

Hopefully they make it in

[velvet root]

Maybe I manage to make one new base today if my mental health and Migrane gets better today

[velvet root]

Absolutly

[steel meadow]

I will definetly make a new goat today to spread our propaganda

But the base will be a pumpkaboo cuz halloween

Then ill get to work on goat bases 🐐

[steel meadow]

Gogoat or skiddo first?

[velvet root]

Skiddo needs more love

[trail hull]

What’s the problem ?

[unkempt kettle]

Rule 2 violation. It's been deleted.

[trail hull]

Oh okay

[velvet root]

Naruto jigglypuffs

[trail hull]

Lemme guess machamp ?

[trail hull]

How is Naruto a violation

[velvet root]

The pink hair girl showing jigglypuffs

[trail hull]

Oh don’t say more , man people are freak

Guys when do you think is next reveal ?

[velvet root]

Sunday

[hexed agate]

I can't wait for ||Simispark|| to be announced on Sunday

[trail hull]

Nah ||luvdisc|| will get in

[velvet root]

Nah it will be Furfrou, Eelektross, Vikavolt and Gogoat

[steel meadow]

Vikavolt feels less likely after bug contest

What about fossils?

[trail hull]

I don’t think they have a chance in this batch but would be very likely in the next one

[steel meadow]

Is there a Christmasy pokemon that isnt in?

[hexed agate]

What if I said a dragon type was getting in

[hexed agate]

Abomasnow, Cherubi

[steel meadow]

stop trolling

[hexed agate]

I can't

[steel meadow]

although dragalge is kinda cool

abomnasnow would be awesome aswell

id love to fuse it out of one of its typings

[hexed agate]

What are some of your underrated picks?

[steel meadow]

i dont think i have one thats super underated

[trail hull]

That would be true : jangmo-o is getting in

[hexed agate]

I have 3 Pokémon that come to mind as good fusion material that I don't think most people would remember as their favorite

[steel meadow]

kricketune, hippowdon and camerupt are mine

[hexed agate]

Like for example, Mandibuzz

[trail hull]

Druddigon would be cool

[steel meadow]

huh

what do i do with dark bird

[hexed agate]

Really cool motif, body gives you bones to play with as well as the head

[steel meadow]

Oh yeah it has bones

[hexed agate]

It's like Marowak but bird and instead of a skull it's overalls

[steel meadow]

Also i guess the whole like carcass circling bird thing might cook

[hexed agate]

Relicanth is neat with its map motif

[steel meadow]

Relicant with another color scheme would go hard

[hexed agate]

I would love to see what people do with the atlas on it

[trail hull]

9 Pokémon left , 1 single stage and hopes

[steel meadow]

Wait pory am i allowed to take a picture of rl and post here? (ik its off topic but i have to)

[trail hull]

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[hexed agate]

Sure?

[steel meadow]

Torterra/relicanth

[trail hull]

I think a lot of people would just make random patterns

[deft obsidian]

Rule 13 smh

[hexed agate]

3rd Pokémon that I think has really good potential for how little love it gets is Conkeldurr

[steel meadow]

wait what is rule 13

[hexed agate]

Doxxing

[steel meadow]

!rule13

[hexed agate]

?tag rule13

[opal trail]

Rule 13 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Doxxing. Please never discuss your own or anyone else’s personal details or post pictures of yourself or your loved ones, this is for the protection of you and every other user.

[steel meadow]

oh that didnt work

just wanted to show that i found a really nice scratching spot but i couldnt get a good picture of it

[trail hull]

I Hope we get a troll mon

[hexed agate]

Pet pictures are always welcome

[steel meadow]

like?

[hexed agate]

Get ready for Sunday then

Simispark is what we got

[trail hull]

Bruxish and stunfisk are troll mons

[steel meadow]

oh simispark drop coming

[deft obsidian]

Carbink was troll mon

[steel meadow]

yeah but what is the new one u want?

[trail hull]

Luvdisc

[steel meadow]

carbink isnt troll

luvdisc is too simple imo

[trail hull]

No we are just angry because of gambling

[hexed agate]

Most everything else that was there got added

The exception being Pelipper, Ribombee and Mienshao

[trail hull]

True

[steel meadow]

Does that mean theyre going to get added?

[hexed agate]

[trail hull]

I think some other too got forgotten

[steel meadow]

Wasnt plusle and minun in there as a troll?

[deft obsidian]

Like salazzle? Because it was 3rd

[trail hull]

Yeah and didn’t win

[hexed agate]

Plusle and Minun were in the vote, not the rafflle

[trail hull]

Oh yeah

[deft obsidian]

But I think next pokemons will be legendary/mythical

[trail hull]

I think 488 is furfrou

And 500 is legendary

[hexed agate]

I think the next Pokémon will be a Pokémon

Can't be sure though

[steel meadow]

Could always be simispark

[trail hull]

Hey that’s my usual joke

[deft obsidian]

488 is 100% diancie

[steel meadow]

Why 488?

I feel like thats the 500 if it isnt victini

[hexed agate]

What if we did lake trio

[deft obsidian]

488 is gap between pumpkin and kalos starters

[hexed agate]

I dislike them less nowadays

[steel meadow]

I like lake trio but

They kinda poo for fusions no?

[hexed agate]

SFX for them would go hard

But they're Mew with extra steps

[steel meadow]

i dont like sfx

[deft obsidian]

I hate them because their catch rate was higher than box legendaries

[hexed agate]

Their palette has potential

[steel meadow]

IS THAT WHY IT ATE LIKE 50 ULTRA BALLS WHEN I WAS 12?!

[steel meadow]

Azelf palette is hot

[marble meadow]

idk what to discuss i just wait for some news or wait till a comformation that the repo thing is fixed

[hexed agate]

Discuss new Pokémon

[steel meadow]

i wanna discuss what if gogoat happens

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/shiftry-pokemon-gif-27487506

[hexed agate]

Then PIF over

[steel meadow]

but honestly the chance feels so low

[hexed agate]

Seedot is one of those Pokémon that loses value for me as it evolves, personally

[marble meadow]

a few more from hoen unova or alola would,nt hurt

[steel meadow]

nuzleaf is the problem for me

shiftry is cool but bad

[hexed agate]

I want things from <= gen 5

[deft obsidian]

Shiftry is one of my favorite. Absolutely love to see them in if.

[marble meadow]

and my pick for sinnoh is vespiqueen and carvine

[steel meadow]

i want things from pre gen 5 and gogoat.

[hexed agate]

Carnivine would be fun, but I think it'd go underutilized

[deft obsidian]

Drapion from sinnoh

[steel meadow]

i can see a spriter specializing in carnivine the same way we got that smeargle, keckleon and mr.mime guy

[dull adder]

Praying for hoopa

And my boys

[steel meadow]

i want shaymin out of those

[dull adder]

Hoopa fusions would go insane

(Assuming unbound is added too)

[hexed agate]

Maybe, but all 3 of those Pokémon open themselves to more than just their designs

[steel meadow]

hmm i guess

[hexed agate]

Carnivine probably has hidden potential though

[steel meadow]

for sure

he'd make some silly guys

[marble meadow]

zygarde is the most intresting one with its forms

[hexed agate]

It'd be cool to see Carnivine/Hydreigon

[steel meadow]

carnivine mawile

[hexed agate]

If we're talking fusion material, Magearna and Diancie definitely take the cake

[steel meadow]

bu but shaymin...

[hexed agate]

They have design features that can be abstracted easily to other things

[steel meadow]

pretty leaves

[marble meadow]

bet zygarde takes 3 slots

[hexed agate]

I love Shaymin

[full bison]

Marshadow would be great fusion material too but apparently it has some history around here?

[hexed agate]

But spriting leaves can be annoying, especially since it's organic

[steel meadow]

i feel like leaves is way easier than rocks or gears

[hexed agate]

I think it has potential, but the features aren't as in-your-face as something like Diancie

Hoopa has potential, but its gimmick is a bit abstract in nature

Zeraora is just Zoroark with hint of Electivire

[full bison]

I'm worried that Magearna would have some overlapping issues considering how Klinklang and Registeel are handled

[hexed agate]

I'd think more towards Gardevoir

Especially since the details on Magearna are small in contrast to those 2

You wouldn't need to make big gears, just a mechanical design

[deft obsidian]

Probably not, you can make creative stuff with magearna body, but registeel and klinklang body fusion are...

[marble meadow]

zygarde is an intressting case with its 3 forms but i think optimum zygarde will work similar like the main game so the 3rd form only activates in fights

[marble meadow]

zygarde has potential for more dog or serpent like fusions

[hexed agate]

Volcanion would be neat though, though I wonder how spriters would handle it

[grave jolt]

🥳

[steel meadow]

i would hate it for spriting

tf am i supposed to do with the tube thing

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[steel meadow]

creative artists would definetly do well with it tho

[hexed agate]

Manaphy and Victini suffer of Mew syndrome

[steel meadow]

yeah i dont want any more pixie shaped legendaries

[hexed agate]

Body-wise, at least

[marble meadow]

what about shaymin

[hexed agate]

Though manaphy would thrive as a head pokemon

[steel meadow]

shaymin is hedgehog, its different

[hexed agate]

if it doesn't get alted vs. Phione

[grave jolt]

Victini gets added to CeleMewChi as the games first quad fusion

[steel meadow]

for sfx spritwrs yes

[steel meadow]

i feel like the regis wouldve been the ones to do that already

[grave jolt]

My first thought with the regis was "Wouldn't a regi triple just become Regigigas"

[steel meadow]

that is a fair thought

[hexed agate]

Enough Mythicals, what about Heatran

[steel meadow]

could work as a joke sprite

heatran as a design i dont really like

but i think for fusing it goes really hard

[hexed agate]

But Frog...

[steel meadow]

lava motifs is hot

[hexed agate]

[steel meadow]

how tf do u see frog ij heatran

i need to look at him again

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-heatran-pokemon-heatran-electricity-pikachu-gif-4769197549716673432

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/heatran-stark-mountain-sinnoh-pokemon-generations-gif-7396061

[steel meadow]

where frog?

[grave jolt]

I don't really see "frog" in Heatran, just a weird blob

[steel meadow]

if i hit my head really hard i might mistake it for a toad for a millisecond i guess

[hexed agate]

It jumps, it has warts, it frog

Or toad

[grave jolt]

does it jump???

[full bison]

Flash Fire on a Steel type would go crazy for defensive fusions

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mewtwo-heatran-diancie-pokemon-battle-royale-gif-14159585

[steel meadow]

for gameplay purposes heatran is one of the most fun pokemon for sure

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/cave-crumbling-heatran-pokemon-pokemon-heatran-gif-15097158882455220941

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/seismitoad-drain-punch-green-energy-green-punch-seismitoad-uses-drain-punch-gif-25724509

[steel meadow]

if u like bulky pokemon, which i do

[marble meadow]

well i would glady welcome another frog like mon

[hexed agate]

Vikavolt Heatran was one of my favorite Pokémon in a draft league I participated in

Bug/Steel or Fire/Electric

And you get to not be quad weak

[marble meadow]

opinions about seismictoad

[full bison]

Seismitoad is k

[hexed agate]

As well as decent bulk and massive SpAtk

[steel meadow]

it exists

[grave jolt]

Heatran is also a mythical (Legendary? idk, there's not much difference) so it would need a unique quest chain.

[hexed agate]

Seismis tod is awesome

[steel meadow]

Heatran would count as a legend

[full bison]

Not my first choice for Water/Ground types but Poison Touch is neat

[steel meadow]

Gastrodon >

[hexed agate]

Gastro fans rise up

[grave jolt]

GASTRODON

[steel meadow]

I just wish we could add half of the remaining sinnoh pokemon

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/gastrodon-tritodon-spinning-okayu-nekomata-okayu-gif-24088570

[marble meadow]

yeah if i remember legends mytical and ubs are special and get a location or quest or something special

[steel meadow]

Theres so many iconic ones that arent in the game

[full bison]

Combee and Vespiquen could lead to unique fusions

[grave jolt]

Heatran can sit inside/on mt silver or ice mountains ig

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-draft-conkeldurr-conk-fighting-gif-4531051215651118401

[steel meadow]

Also u could expand the place where u find the red orb and add heatran there

[grave jolt]

Vespequen/Beedrill for a swarm of bees

[marble meadow]

do i need to say more

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/nyaoha-pokemon-sprigatito-pocket-monster-combee-gif-5210952697847206106

[marble meadow]

soon conkelbee will be reality

[eager jungle]

i voted shaymin because i think that it's a cool one, and my top 3 mythical are :
Shaymin (both forms, but hedgehog > dog)
Hoopa Unbound
Diancie / Hoopa Classic

[prime dust]

hoopa would be a package deal

so, your top 3 are shaymin, hoopa, and diance

[twin phoenix]

Hoping for Shaymin. 🙏

[prime dust]

i expect at least 1 chia pet reference for shaymin

[molten latch]

Wait

Theres a new voting system dropped?

Or is it the old once?

[full bison]

it's just a poll I made

Making polls in Discord is easy

[stone jacinth]

Used it on my team in the first ever game i fully beat (pokemon black)

[deft obsidian]

Shaymin will be 2 slot? Right?

[full bison]

Shaymin's sky form has a funny little quirk to it. Apparently, it'll transform back into land form if it's frozen. Cause, y'know, an Ice move totally won't KO it outright.

[inland jewel]

Ability and type change, for sure

[prime dust]

yes, any mon with multiple forms would be two slots minimum

wormadam will be fun having 3

[sinful smelt]

I mean, Giratina, Deoxys or rotom don't have multiple slots, highly depends I believe

[prime dust]

those existed before the multiform thing was...a thing

Frog has no plans to add their alt forms since that would just be more work for the spriters

but future mons added in it is fair game

[spare shore]

minioooooooooooorrrr

[prime dust]

that is an oddity of a battleshift, in that it only triggers once a certain amount of hp is lost [and i'm not sure if you heal up, you swap back]

most shifts like that will be a bit harder to figure out

[inland jewel]

Considering that darmanitan, Archeops and Wishiwashi all go back to the other form/stats if they regain hp

I’m also not sure if Minior regains it’s shelled state

[full bison]

Shields Down behaves... oddly. Minior actually starts off in Core form, before Shields Down changes it into it's shielded form if it's HP is above half. Shields Down turns it back to Core if it's at or below half HP, and turns back to shielded if it's above half.

that weird distinction at the start baffles me, I'll be real

[prime dust]

oof, that's gonna be pain

might be prudent to leave minior out of the game for a bit so as to not give frog a coding headache

i get people want it, but something like that in PIF would likely cause issues

[trail hull]

Wormadam and burmy should just be up to the spriter choice

[full bison]

Burmy, sure, but Wormadam has straight up different types, moves and statlines in it's different forms

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-draft-conkeldurr-conk-fighting-gif-9753972638885259983

[marble meadow]

conkeldurr could work by making it holding diffrent thinks for example farfetch leeks

[rain locust]

worse quag tbh

or gastro

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if we will get another reveal this weekend

[trail hull]

current wip

[prime dust]

burmy isn't an issue persay, wormadam is because it has 3 different variations due to the coat [each with their own typings]

[outer matrix]

we probably won't get another reveal if we got 2 recently

[trail hull]

polished version #1291809950141780111

[marble meadow]

weedle clawitzer weezer

[glass patio]

that’s true…

damn, makes sense why it got replaced with cresselia

maybe someday but i’m losing hope it’ll be anytime soon 😔

i still want to make minior sprites after i do shed pokefan anyways

[full bison]

Maybe Frog could change it so that weird beginning of the battle thing doesn't happen and it just starts in shielded mode? Maybe that'd simplify things? But yeah Minior's in a kinda awkward position

[glass patio]

like tbh i make sprites for a pokemon that people only use if it has one weakness so why would i worry about them being in game

ok there’s prob people that use shedinja not only for that

but honestly most people will just use shedinja bug/steel normal/ghost and dark/ghost

oh wait right people will see the sprites when they’re using nincada to dupe pokemon

i forgor

i will still make miniors anyways

yap session that no one cares about over

[hexed agate]

Do you prefer your Minior with or without the peel

[glass patio]

i think minior’s fine with a single slot

because of sprites that use both forms

[weak trellis]

Meanwhile me being unhinged and using shedinja without wonder guard for asthetics

(no surprise she got blown up almost instantly rofl)

[prime dust]

it may get 2 because of the shift between forms

since it is a battle shift dependant on hp, which is a bit odd

[silent acorn]

The 2 is just out of wanting the change huh

[unkempt kernel]

And have different stats too

[silent acorn]

To be honest i don't care if its 1

They did something with Aegislash i bet they can make something similar

[unkempt kernel]

Minior's bst changes with its form change too iirc

[silent acorn]

Eh

I feel the 2 slots is just eh

[unkempt kernel]

So it would have to be like ultra necro pretty sure

[silent acorn]

Just gonna leave it to froggo

For stats maybe

For sprites no

May as well just switch them by menu

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah im talking stats / slot wise, not sprites

[silent acorn]

I mean thats what froggo did with gourgeist

Sprites and battle form change is asking to bother froggo too much with it

Unless its like castform since that's all its built around

[full bison]

So, if not Minior, what's the 1-stage Mon people'd like to see? Aside from any Legendaries or UBs

Tropius seems to be popular based on the vote

[silent acorn]

On the unofficial?

[full bison]

pinned messages

[silent acorn]

Spriter

And the other spriter event one

May or may not

Honestly difference is by like one vote on it like with Goli

Where Goli was candidate to 2nd in main vote

Even on Unofficial Tropius is 5

[glass patio]

That’s such a cool sprite omg

I should do a shedinja only run someday

[full bison]

I like tropius but I'm not sure I like the idea of getting 3 Grass lines in this one update

[molten latch]

Maybe

Plus christmas and thanksgiving exist

[silent acorn]

Yeah me neither even i know asking for more is too greedy

[full bison]

if I'm gonna put my weight behind a 1-stager, it'd probably be Cryogonal

[molten latch]

So we have more pokemon to reveal in the holidays

[silent acorn]

Or drampa... Drampa is neat

[tender plank]

what would even release for thanksgiving? i legit can't think of one

(hypothetically)

[full bison]

There's also Those 1-stagers, but I've gone off about them enough by now

[silent acorn]

At this point i am sure Furfrou is unlikely

Becauase no one likes drip

[full bison]

Furfrou would be fun. Fur Coat goes crazy

[silent acorn]

People be wearing rags these days

[silent acorn]

Thematically would be perfect for the customization update

Its a pretty good one off normal type

Fun fact has higher bst than Linoone, Bibarel, watchog and gumshoos

[full bison]

I remember the Ultra Recon Squad only having Furfrou when first encountered and it was such a difficult fight cause of how tanky it was relative to everything else at that point

[silent acorn]

And as far as i know there is only one or two one stage normal types

[silent acorn]

Normal on the right pokemon its very good

One of the most broad Stabs in the games

Doesn't matter if the stats don't blow you away, the stab slays

[full bison]

Imagine Normal/Ghost Fur Coat Furfrou/Cofagrigus. Ultimate tank

[silent acorn]

Now you are talking

But unfortunately

[molten latch]

Idk

I was thinking if both Minior and Spheal would be in the spot because of christmas

[silent acorn]

how are you gonna compare it to the bottom feeders?

This does not reflect how good it is

[silent acorn]

... Be real spheal is nostalgia talking

[fathom ridge]

Ball

[silent acorn]

Seriously out of the line one ends up using walrein anyway

Spheal is weak as crap

[full bison]

The most logical Christmas Pokemon is probably Abomasnow

[tender plank]

if there's a christmas release PLEASE be abomasnow

[silent acorn]

Sealeo unappealing as hell

Walrein slays tho

[fathom ridge]

Spheal is a sphere what’s not to love

[silent acorn]

But not enough

[silent acorn]

Voltorb is a sphere and certainly doesn't get love

Willingly

[fathom ridge]

It has 100% completion tho so like

[silent acorn]

Actually gonna slander now

There wasn't a choice

It was there since the start

Gen one does that

Anyway

Gonna slander

Spheal has a bad body

Its a ball

Not great for variety

[fathom ridge]

Magmar is gen 1 and some Pokémon that were added months ago have more sprites

[full bison]

Voltorb has 100% completion cause it's easy

[silent acorn]

Spheal has a very limiting head, barely any other unique features

[full bison]

Body fusions are just ball

[silent acorn]

Beyond being a ball seel

Which Again There is seel

[full bison]

Head fusions are just angry eyes and Pokeball colors

[fathom ridge]

Ngl that’s pretty close to objectively wrong I think, like ball is funny

[silent acorn]

I mean that's gonna be the spheal pattern

[fathom ridge]

Spheal is silly you can’t deny that

[silent acorn]

Funny doesn't mean good you know

Its silly

And i dont appreciate that

I skip straight to walrein

Now that?

[fathom ridge]

Maybe… but maybe not

[silent acorn]

That Sea Lion?

Yes please

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/bober-beaver-kurwa-kurva-gif-2036759300866778139

[fathom ridge]

Yeah the middle evo is just kinda there

[silent acorn]

Everything before, nah i can live without

[silent acorn]

Its... Very wasteful

Should have been two stage like Dewgong

[tender plank]

GOD i kinda wish walrein was a single stage sometimes

[fathom ridge]

Yeah that’s true if it was a 2 stage line I would be more confident in adding it

[silent acorn]

Me too my friend... Me too, some pokemon don't need 3 parts

[tender plank]

such a banger design only to be overshadowed by 'haha, ball'
i DO like spheal but i just love walrein more

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pawmi-pokemon-smile-gif-25833836

[silent acorn]

Like thats the problem

Spheal doesn't have enough bullet points in favor

Besides walrein

[fathom ridge]

Idk if walrein is overshadowed that much by spheal they are very different

[silent acorn]

To me it is

Because i wouldnt use that weak cute mon

[clear lichen]

Walrein's relation with Spheal is like Bibarel's to Bidoof

[tender plank]

SO TRUE

[clear lichen]

This is very bad for Walrein

[tender plank]

and raichu to pikachu to an extent

[silent acorn]

too weak

[weak trellis]

I mean imo gameplay wise the line is just slightly (?) better dewgong

[clear lichen]

I feel like nowadays people do say Raichu is better than Pikachu

Keyword nowadays

[fathom ridge]

Bobatel is kinda silly-ugly in the bad way to me tbh and walrein is a very cool guy

[weak trellis]

for in-game it feels too close for me to merit consideration

[tender plank]

yeah i agree with that, but what they gonna do against the damn mascot

[clear lichen]

Be cooler

[fathom ridge]

Raichu did get the alola form

[full bison]

Walrein has an actual character design, that's why people'd use it over Dewgong

[fathom ridge]

Raichu sometimes feels a bit disconnected to pikachu in my mind tbh

[clear lichen]

Hmm... is Charizard overrated?

You can't really deny the humongous amount of hate it gets

[fathom ridge]

Kinda but it is cool

[velvet root]

it is

[full bison]

I mostly just ignore Zard

[tender plank]

i mean, yeah? but the hate is just kinda taking it too far

[full bison]

I've grown past resenting it

[velvet root]

But it is mostly from Gamefreak tbh

[tender plank]

like let people let out their inner dragon lover

[clear lichen]

What I'm trying to ask is if it being hated so much for being "overrated" makes it underrated

[fathom ridge]

Greninja was shove into my face so much i started to dislike it even though it is very cool

[ember bear]

it's just both overrated and overhated

[tender plank]

i do like turtles more tho so i am in blastoise nation so idrc either way

[ember bear]

mainly because of gamefreak's obsession over it

[full bison]

The one thing I don't get is why Charizard of all Pokemon became the "cool dragon" when there's so many cooler dragons

[clear lichen]

It's not like Charizard is a bad Pokemon, far from it

[tender plank]

that's what we call 'gen 1 syndrome'

[clear lichen]

It's just that Gamefreak gives it perhaps too much attention

But at the same time, how much Gamefreak likes Charizard doesn't really denote how much the fans like it

[silent acorn]

Gonna let ya guys discuss genwunwar

[clear lichen]

And the fans hate Charizard because of the attention Gamefreak gives it

[velvet root]

Some mons need more attention

[tender plank]

agreed

[clear lichen]

Now, I'm not gonna pretend Charizard is a top tier design, or even A tier

But it certainly isn't like

F tier

[full bison]

The only recent time I can think of where Charizard actually ticked me off was that one mural in Gen 8 depicting the three most popular Pokemon in Galar. And it was just Machamp, Gengar, and Charizard. Not even any actual Galar mons.

just Kanto

[silent acorn]

Lol

What the actual

[clear lichen]

Honestly, Machamp and Gengar are overrated by fans, and ig Gamefreak as well judging by that

[velvet root]

Ngl I dont really see why so many love Gengar
Hes cool but not THAT cool

[full bison]

I'm cool with Gengar. Never paid much mind to Champ tho

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/gengar-gengar-pokemon-rise-from-the-ground-gif-23817958

[clear lichen]

Exactly my thoughts

[fathom ridge]

Gengar is silly

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokepark-cofagrigus-pikachu-gif-24160983

Funny grave boi

[clear lichen]

It's a good Pokemon, but it isn't THAT good

[velvet root]

I hate that Cofa walks like that

[tender plank]

i see the charm, but it really is just a spiky blob with a smirk

[clear lichen]

I simultaneously like how Cofagrigus moves here, and hate it

[silent acorn]

Neat but i wouldnt say top cream

[velvet root]

same

[full bison]

The grin absolutely carries Gengar's design

[fathom ridge]

Why that’s awesome, crawly boy

[tender plank]

but my fav is litrerally justa turtle so what do i know

[silent acorn]

Reminder Ash used mostly Kanto mons in Journeys

[tender plank]

real

[silent acorn]

No disrespect just weird

[velvet root]

Its love and hatred at the same time

(Btw we should do more bases taken from Pokepark its awesome)

https://tenor.com/view/sols-bug-jar-lopunny-pokemon-pokepark-gif-16557441844101490062

[clear lichen]

Just take a moment to imagine Cofagrigus chasing you down like that

Yeah that's why I love it and hate it

[velvet root]

I can see it being able to walk on walls and ceilings too

[tender plank]

already did.
i would just cry on the spot

[full bison]

I miss the classic spinoffs. the newer ones are just P2W mobile games from what I've seen

[fathom ridge]

Pokepark 2 is my favorite open world rpg for the Wii, can’t think of another one better!

[velvet root]

Like the Mega bill cipher form

[velvet root]

I have so many hours in it

[fathom ridge]

Mystery dungeon pls

[clear lichen]

I mean, it is kinda bug reminiscent movement

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-18517716

[velvet root]

That one is awesome too

[marble meadow]

i want another battle or colluseum like

[fathom ridge]

Wait honchkrow is already in the game

[full bison]

We have such a good setup for a Mystery Dungeon game with the Paradoxes or UBs.

[clear lichen]

I suspect it'd take quite a while given how many new Pokemon there are

But it would be cool

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokepark2wonders-beyond-pokepark-pokemon-reshiram-reshiram-pokemon-gif-18470089

also Pokepark reshiram looks like its done with everything

[clear lichen]

Fair

[full bison]

Colosseum and Battle Revolution were GOATed in terms of animations

[velvet root]

DID I HEAR GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/gogoat-pokemon-prajwal-gif-20189597

[marble meadow]

i wouldnt complain about a new pokepark game

[velvet root]

I would buy that game so quickly after release

[marble meadow]

the first one was peak wish the 2nd had more minigames

[rancid nymph]

Same

[velvet root]

I wonder what the playable chars would be

[tender plank]

the more gogoat you show us, the more on board with them i get. that is such a cool ass mon.

[velvet root]

First one had the games but I think second had more interactions imo

[clear lichen]

Also I will say in the defence of Masters EX, I have not paid anything in that game and I still got on pretty easily

So it's not exactly P2W

[velvet root]

Someone gave us frames we can make sprites out

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/poipole-pokemon-ultra-beast-pokemon-poipole-giggle-gif-7609238276340786947

[velvet root]

#1136676184265076818 message

[clear lichen]

That said I don't really find it extremely interesting to play so

[tender plank]

lovely, more goat!

[clear lichen]

:/

[full bison]

I've heard Unite has the exact same problem as every other MOBA where there's always something OP ruining the meta

[velvet root]

Btw I can see Pokepark 3 having a story with Ultra beasts and maybe eternatus

If it would happen

[clear lichen]

I've played UNITE, something is an understatement

There is always 2 or more things ruining the meta

I've kinda just given up following Unite news, who knows, maybe they stopped adding broken shit, then fixing them while making something else broken

[full bison]

I never got the hype of MOBAs. so many characters, and you're basically forced to use about 3 out of all of them

[rancid nymph]

Isn’t there usually something ruining the meta in main series competitive too

[clear lichen]

In VGC, yeah from what I've heard

But in Singles, Smogon just bans the things ruining the meta

Gen 9 is a bit... oversaturated, with broken things though

[rancid nymph]

Gee, it’s almost like the game was rushed out or something

[full bison]

I remember Bax being completely fine, then they gave it Scale Shot and it became a monster

[clear lichen]

I think the biggest thing that pushed it over the edge was Alolan Ninetales being added

Iirc

Woah, a good Snow setter that can also set Aurora Veil? I sure hope there isn't a bulky hard hitting set up sweeping ice type on the horizon

I wouldn't say it being unbalanced as shit for singles is a sign of it being rushed

I'd say it's a sign they don't balance around singles anymore

[full bison]

Kudos to A.Ninetales being one of the 3 Ice types that's viable without being broken or worthless

[clear lichen]

There's probably more than 3, surely

[full bison]

A.Ninetales, Mamoswine, Weavile

that's all I can think of

[clear lichen]

I mean Cloyster's pretty good

Kinda fell off a bit in later gens

But like

There's also uhhhhh

Kyurem like 50% of the time

Ummmmm

Damn

Ykw, 4.5 is 50% more than 3

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-mrbeast-mrxurkitree-gif-9984008711675004103

[clear lichen]

Except Cloyster was banned in one generation so it's closer to 4.4, or 4.3

[marble meadow]

ub,s will be intresting and hard to sprite in if

depending on the ultrabeast

[clear lichen]

Some of them are pretty normal

[tender plank]

although i'm down for some.
i'd love to see kartana

[velvet root]

There is a better ub

[clear lichen]

Well, relatively to the other UBs

Like uhhh

[marble meadow]

kartana simply paper/origami fusions

[clear lichen]

Naganadel, Buzzwole, Pheromosa

I'd say those are pretty normal

In relation to other UBs

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-head-roll-jester-gif-5390395606877382630

[velvet root]

"Simply"

[marble meadow]

ah my fav ub blacepholon

[velvet root]

The Clown is awesome ngl

[clear lichen]

This is definitely the closest Pokemon to being a clown

I wouldn't say it's the only one you could make an argument for

But I will say it's probably the one whose design I like the most out of that group

Not as fortunate when it comes to other UBs, because the UBs are peak

Blacephalon is also peak but it isn't that peak

[full bison]

I already loved the UBs, but the Pokemon Go ad campaign involving them elevated that further

[velvet root]

I kinda like the Roach

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-beast-pokemon-pheromosa-spin-cockroach-gif-4731031845445539865

[marble meadow]

i guess no ub in this upcoming if update with the new added mon i guess them in a much later time

[velvet root]

I mean I can see one
Getting one or two ubs per update is fine

We already have one

[marble meadow]

who knows what suprise awaits us for the upcoming remaining reveals

[velvet root]

I wonder how many people realised that there is 1 UB in the game already

[full bison]

if we're only getting one UB line, I'm banking on either Nihilego for being the Poster Child or Poipole for basically being a starter

[tender plank]

oh yeah necrozma

huh

[velvet root]

UB Black exactly

[full bison]

or the SM boxarts

[marble meadow]

well i consider necrozma lunala and solgaleo as ubs

[velvet root]

I mean they are
And theyr Legendarys on top

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-anime-pokemon-gif-22517519

[rancid nymph]

They kind of are, but also kind of not

[velvet root]

They have UB names

[full bison]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8jjKG1L04xY?si=el--FIs3epmnzIAf

[rancid nymph]

Since when

[marble meadow]

i wonder how they ubs would implemented in if maybe a new npc based of the recon squad or looker or even wormholes

[velvet root]

Always
Necromza is simply UB black

[marble meadow]

whatever the dev of if do i bet he is cooking

[rancid nymph]

And where did you get that name from?

[velvet root]

I remember Necrozmas UB name being Black
Cant find from Solgaleo and Lunala atm

But main thing is
In the game they arent classified Ultra beasts cuz they are legendarys too
And the games can only give 1 categor,

[marble meadow]

when it comes to legendarys i think there are a few more that deserves a legends title cuz a few are still a mystery in lore such as the original dragon from black and white

[velvet root]

If you go by Pokémon lore they are UBs

[full bison]

Solgaleo and Lunala have prime number stats and the distictive howling in their cries, also canonically come from Ultra Space. Lorewise, they're UBs, absolutely

[velvet root]

Really hope we see it

[rancid nymph]

Only issue is, they don’t get the boost from the beast ball

[full bison]

Cause we don't have access to Beast Balls at that point and Gamefreak wants us to be able to catch them

[marble meadow]

i stop playing sv cuz cant find anything worthy to shinyhunt

[velvet root]

Thats cuz of the programming
Gamefreak gave them the legendary classification instead of UB cuz they are both

[velvet root]

Gogoat has a nice shiny

[marble meadow]

i mostly wait for an event to get shiny chi yu i like that its blue

ok i play it rarely to have enough xp candy still

[gray vine]

You can catch UB in any Ball

[rancid nymph]

The catch rate is less with non beast balls though

[gray vine]

Of course

[full bison]

I'm still upset that they made shiny Gimmighoul such a huge event when it's easily one of the worst shinies in existence

[gray vine]

But the sentence was "wants us to be able to catch them" which wouldn't change even if they would get the Boost. You can still catch them in any ball

[marble meadow]

number 1 disapointed shiny gholdengo and 2nd is gengar but not worse as gholdengo

i didnt change at all or its just difficult to see

[rancid nymph]

Do you WANT to attempt to catch a legendary when all your Pokeballs are 1/10 as effective as they usually are?

[marble meadow]

or maybe if an ub gets in beast balls get added as an item

[outer matrix]

beast balls could be added, but that doesn't necessarily mean that an ultra beast will make it into the same update

gen 9 didn't have any ultra beasts despite there being beast balls

[silent acorn]

Muh immersion

[weak trellis]

gameplay vs lore

I just call them both "invasives" as an easier shorthand

[full bison]

Trying to decide what to do with the hat, either making it furry or giving it a rose look. Thoughts? It's a Delphox/Roserade fusion

[silent acorn]

Absolute genius

But what about making the mask kitsune theme? Oh wait that's ninetales

huh...interesting

these are good

[silent acorn]

Thinking...its missing the hair, id say the two big ponytails are the bigger difference between ninetales and Delphox for head, the flame bouquet is a good idea though

OH I GOT IT

Rose shaped air bun?

[outer matrix]

alolan ninetails?

[twin phoenix]

That's shiny Ninetales colors.

[silent acorn]

Shiny ninetales

Trust me i wish Alolan Ninetales was an option

Id argue only Alolan Ninetales, Alolan Sandslash, Alolan Marowak are worth the effort to bring in

The others are too similar to regular counterparts and don't use the regional differences that well

Alteast the 3 i mentioned give us something unique

[outer matrix]

there's also alolan exeggutor being different than its kantonian variant due to the length (and thinness) of its trunk

[hollow creek]

REALISTIC hopes for the next additions: camerupt, malamar, Zangoo and Sev, Eelekross, Dragalgae, Claydol, Toxoicroak

doubt they'll be this weekend since we had a double reveal

[silent acorn]

I guess there is that

[glass patio]

am i gaming?

edit i am not gaming i’m absolutely not gaming

[silent acorn]

Maybe

[glass patio]

#1291909613997916220

art thief, smh

[hot hamlet]

How dare you take a piece of random artwork you found on the internet and put your own spin on it

[glass patio]

i just liked the idea

[hot hamlet]

reason my animal is rocking out based on last pfp

[glass patio]

lol

[grave jolt]

It's adorable, I love it

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/shedinja-pokemon-my-beloved-gif-24792774

[pale flame]

Agreed.

[humble lance]

slurpinja

[high haven]

Did I miss an entire ARG or something?

[agile olive]

yeah basically

[cobalt temple]

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-therapy-gojo-satoru-gojo-doamin-gif-5353877755815666792

[velvet root]

Delete or i get a mod

[spare shore]

xDDD

[rugged temple]

Gojo infinite copium

[alpine rune]

Oh youre here too. Yea I'd suggest you delete this too incase you forgot. Before anything bad happens

[drifting mason]

Where is carpink

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-diancie-mythical-pokemon-pokemon-diancie-and-the-cocoon-of-destruction-pokemon-movie-mega-evolution-gif-7661515835974945004

[unkempt kernel]

Carbink

Carpink

[ocean lark]

i want diance

[silent acorn]

Tomorror reveal

Fake news, you been easily bated

[velvet root]

tomorrow Goat reveal?

[silent acorn]

Could be one day

Anyway

[velvet root]

I expect 4 more reveals and one is Gogoat

[silent acorn]

I was gonna say imagine i write that all of gen 9 is gonna get added tomorrow

And the newcomers come see it

[ember bear]

i would be fine if that wasn't the case

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-lovesickmaeng-gif-21393494

[ocean lark]

reference wishlist

[silent acorn]

And that the secret to speeding it up its pinging @lreal

[velvet root]

Wasnt there a blue goat girl in Genshin?
I know there are many Genshin fans who want Ref sprites

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ganyu-ganyu-tired-gif-19908693

Very sleepy woman

[velvet root]

yes her

[quaint matrix]

I think the only Genshin ref is actually Paimon (and Pom Pom but they're not Genshin)

[velvet root]

ooh ok

I never realized how many refs can appear with Gogoat

[full bison]

So the sprite repo thing wasn't even a malfunction? It's just Gitlab deciding to be selective with it's Terms of Service?

[prime dust]

apparently

[full bison]

I'm actually looking through their acceptable use policy and can't find exactly what may be the problem

Only thing I can think of is some of the fusion names breaking the code of conduct regarding sexualization (IE Slakoth/Nosepass) but that's it

[prime dust]

trust me, frog tried that angle, they never got back to him

[fathom ridge]

I heard the problem was that you can’t use gitlab to distribute things

[full bison]

so the repo solution basically just amounts to "use something else"

[steel meadow]

yes.

[prime dust]

and yet they have things on their pages if you search that says the exact opposite

[fathom ridge]

I tried the game and sprite aren’t “?” Anymore so is it fixed?

[fathom ridge]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message I heard that from frog so

[inland jewel]

anything with custom sprites is good, any auto gens are still ?

[fathom ridge]

Well not too much was lost then

[prime dust]

unless you have the work around files that mega made

in which case i'd say keep the download feature off

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-tummy-slap-belly-slap-pokemon-gif-3721550777642990712

i want more round bois

[outer matrix]

What about sealeo & walrein? I don't see them being brought up often when spheal is demanded to be added to IF

[wide merlin]

and chad walrein

[tender plank]

sorry, let me do my walrus glazing for the day

brb

[merry shale]

Do we have marshadow or magearna added or on a waiting list?
They look cool as fusions I can picture a marshadow fusion as a literal shadow martial artist and magearna fusion as a mechanic maiden in a dress ie magearna + gardevoir fusion those look perfect for infinite fusion

[wide merlin]

maybe magearna with the fire water legendary

[merry shale]

"Or on a waiting list"? Did I word that right, as I think I mean "or to be on the waiting list"

You mean volcanion (if he's added)?

[wide merlin]

yes

[merry shale]

Wait volcanion is in the game? How did I miss that?

Add zeraora too to finish the mythical legendary fusions

[wide merlin]

i would say than if magearna come in the game in the future, volcanion will be with too. if one are the other too intheory

[glass patio]

volcanion is not in the game

[merry shale]

Oh

What about diancie or hoopa?

[glass patio]

also not in the game

nor they have been announced

[chilly trout]

I wish victini was in, little guy gets much less love than it should

[tender plank]

ok i got nothing word wise but i do have this screenshot of walrein i took on spheal spotlight hour.
Look at him, look at his genuine smile. so full of care, this is a reliable man, you can trust him to protect you.

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[modern laurel]

Are they going to add Rufflet/Braviary at some point?

[hexed agate]

[tender plank]

depends on how much they're loved by the fans or if they have enough potential for the big guys to choose them manually

could be this month, could be in 5 years

[full bison]

Braviary fusions would be so hilariously over-the-top American and I'd be here for it

Imagine Braviary/Slurpuff is just a cheeseburger

[marble meadow]

i want at least one other round spehrical mon

pray for spheal

[glass patio]

minior is round

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[hexed agate]

Spoink

[glass patio]

uhh

kinda lol

[humble lance]

spheal AND minior

[glass patio]

big brain time

[steel meadow]

what if burmy

burmy is kinda round

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spherical-drake-and-josh-gif-19819849

[marble meadow]

spheal chance is 80%

rowlet probaply next year

or just my guess alola starters are next

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-owl-pokemon-sleeping-snoozin-gif-12695021460100487536

[marble meadow]

my fav grass type starter

[glass patio]

same

[rough galleon]

chikorita is better 🫃 '

just kidding rowlet peak

[velvet root]

The best grass starter is obv Turtwig

[rough galleon]

oh yeah

forgot abt him

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-drumming-happy-cartoon-network-drums-gif-17173414

[rough galleon]

aw look at him

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-decideye-roll-pokemon-gif-24868731

some fusion could have hisui decidueye alts

i think za will have also starters different from the region

[outer matrix]

Likely, but since almost nothing about za is known (besides taking place in kalos) I doubt it

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-accelgor-and-escavalier-use-hyper-beam-hyper-beam-accelgor-escavalier-gif-24340835

what about these two

[full bison]

I wonder how their evolutions would be handled. Maybe like in the Drayono romhacks where they just need to level up while the other is in your party?

[prime dust]

since they are both trade evos, it'd like be just a level up swap

no other shanigans needed

as it might be complex to make it that you need both in your party to evo them

[marble meadow]

will be interesting but I want escavalier to have lances or more armour fusions

or some medival themes

[inland hound]

oh please i need my baby

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/camerupt-pokemon-fire-ground-running-gif-26494728

vulcano mountain or underwater volcano fusions

[inland hound]

praying for poochyena first and zigzagoon second 😔

[marble meadow]

reveals so far solid

[opaque ether]

Same. Poochyena and Mightyena are the only Pokemon I really want in left. After them, I'm more than happy. But I've still got a strong Hoenn bias, so Zigzagoon and Linoone would be great as well.

[dusty arrow]

other than hoenn bias, im not sure why so many people want mightyena in

i dont really see it adding much other than making funny names with might-

it has bad stats, boring abilities, is just another dark type and isnt interesting, just a dog (and we already have a dark type dog in houndoom, and yes i know hyenas arent dogs, but for all fusion potential it will be a dog)

[rain locust]

so true we should add in zacian crowned instead

[dusty arrow]

i mean

it would be funny

plus a dog with a sword has more fusion potential than just

...

dog

[rain locust]

[dusty arrow]

and also we need more physical fairies in this game, please im begging you

im pretty sure we only got granbull as a physical fairy

[inland hound]

it's sjust so not a dog 😭

[rain locust]

phys fairies were never real you have to let them go

[dusty arrow]

explain

[inland hound]

they're closer to cats

but like. they're neither. they're hyenas

[dusty arrow]

look in the parentheses

[rain locust]

they look like dogs close enough

[dusty arrow]

i know mightyena isnt a dog

but for all fusions

its jujst

just*

gonna look like a dog

and it doesnt even have anything interesting that hyenas do have

A REGULAR HYENA

WOULD BE MORE INTERESTING THAT MIGHTYENA

[fathom ridge]

You can do things with the hair pattern with the body

[dusty arrow]

i gotta give it this, i do like the long hair and ear shape

[dusty arrow]

i mean yeah but isnt that really it

it adds hair to the game.. yippee

if we want a hair dog, furfrou is right there-

[fathom ridge]

It is at least enough to not make it the same as licanrock

[hollow creek]

Anaconjoe do you have any good sets for gourgiest

[dusty arrow]

i mean yeah its enough to not be lycanroc

[opaque ether]

Because people have their favorites and want their favorites in. Simple as.

[hollow creek]

hes dead

[dusty arrow]

but even to start with, mightyenas a bit more bulky (appearance wise) than lycanroc, both forms

[fathom ridge]

Mightyena sounds super cool but it isn’t high in the priority list for me personally

[dusty arrow]

maybe if they do a collab with pokemon infinity and add mightyenas evo i would vote for it

or at least give mightyena strong jaw, since it gets the three elemental fangs and stab boosted crunch

mightyena also apparently learns play rough??

at level 56

for some reason

[opaque ether]

Man, Pokemon Infinity was fun. Wereyena straight carried my team.

[dusty arrow]

i need to continue infinity-

[fathom ridge]

Lmao some Pokémon just learn moves by level up randomly, shromish learns spore at like 50 or somewhere high like that

[opaque ether]

Personally I'm hoping Mightyena gets a cross-gen evolution in PLZA.

[dusty arrow]

and breloom doesnt learn it

[dusty arrow]

i would actually be fine with that

mightyena really needs something-

his highest stat is 90, and he isnt a funny gimmick like shedinja-

[fathom ridge]

I need to play more Pokémon fangames

[dusty arrow]

lycanroc midnight should have reckless

[opaque ether]

It really does. With Kalos being based on France, you got the rougarou cryptid and the Beast of Gévaudan they could pull inspiration from.

[dusty arrow]

like this literally is what reckless means bruh

[fathom ridge]

Cross-gen evos are so fun, we got so many cool mons from there like magnezone, dusknoir or mismagius

[dusty arrow]

archaludon, dipplin, rhyperior, raichu, kinda??
crobat, annihilape, steelix, lickilicky, tangrowth

theres so many good cross gen evos

i also like mr rime

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rime-pokemon-charlie-chaplin-ice-psychic-gif-26441391

he so silly

[opaque ether]

Obstagoon got +100 BST, so I take it a Mightyena evolution would get the same amount.
Give +30 to Speed, +40 to Attack, then +10 to HP/Defense/Special Defense
Would turn Mightyena into a 130 Attack, 100 Speed killer

[fathom ridge]

Also roserade and Kingambit

[dusty arrow]

100 speed, 130 attack, 80 hp, 80 def, 70 spdef

not bad

[dusty arrow]

i always forget roselia is gen 3

[marble meadow]

i think za will have new Evis for old mons and bloodmoon ursa ability is op

[dusty arrow]

bloodmoon ursalunas ability is just like

[opaque ether]

Yep. Then swap out Quick Feet for Strong Jaw or Tough Claws.
Could easily give it a second type as well. Pokemon Infinity's Wereyena was Dark/Fairy and that combo rocks

[dusty arrow]

scrappy + keen eye im ps ure

[dusty arrow]

strong jaw, so we can have a fairy signature move thats boosted by it

[fathom ridge]

I wonder what we will get in AZ in terms of new mons

[dusty arrow]

i want a crawdaunt evo

because crawdaunt is fucking awesome

https://tenor.com/view/crawdaunt-gif-19275442

adaptability boosted crabhammer go brrr

[fathom ridge]

Crawdaunt doesn’t really feel like it needs an evo, but they gave one to bisharp sooo

[dusty arrow]

ferrothorn has less than 500 bst, which means it could get an evo

[marble meadow]

new convergent mons or regional forms for za

[dusty arrow]

eviolite ferrothorn

[tender plank]

PLEAAAASE
I LOVE THE CRAW

[opaque ether]

Yep. Wereyena in Infinity gets "Faeng Rush" Faeng Rush deals damage and has a 30% chance of making the target flinch. Faeng Rush is a biting move and will have its power increased by 50% if the user has the ability Strong Jaw.

[fathom ridge]

This statement sends a shiver down the spine of any competitive player

[rancid nymph]

Crawdaunt needs an upgrade in the stats department though

[tender plank]

actually i think i'd prefer regional craw instead. crawdaunt is perfect enough

water/steel is an obvious type to me (and would lead to a masterpiece)

[dusty arrow]

shuckle evo that becomes deoxys-attack (with shell smash
and then shuckle can get eviolite

[marble meadow]

who u think is a fitting mon for a convergent form

[dusty arrow]

water/fighting could be cool too (adaptability + close combat outside of mega-cario)

[fathom ridge]

I was thinking the same ngl, I love big bulky mons

[rancid nymph]

The best Pokémon

[tender plank]

i just rlly love steel types

[dusty arrow]

regional kingler that is rivals with the regional crawdaunt

[rancid nymph]

Jk, it’s line already got a new evolution and a regional form

[tender plank]

i think uh.
ykw i'm just gonna go for my obvious answer, aggron convergent would be fun

[fathom ridge]

I saw a concert for a convergent shuckle that was a piece of cheese and it was so cool

[dusty arrow]

steel/dragon aggron

[tender plank]

WE'RE FREE FROM 4X FIGHTING AND GROUND 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

FINALLY

[dusty arrow]

imma just put this here since its been awhile

[marble meadow]

a convergent porygon

[fathom ridge]

Convergent forms have to be more different that regional forms tho, they are technically completely different mons

[tender plank]

i see the vision.
like a grass type woodwork porygon.
dude that's so sick actually

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

[tender plank]

ok this is a bit off topic but i think that if there were a new type i'd like to add (that isn't space type) i think a wood type would be fun.
although it'd be hard to separate from grass type 😔

like it'd be a fun new experimental 'middle of the line' type that isn't dogwater but also isn't cracked upon arrival

[marble meadow]

would a convergent rotom work

[tender plank]

uhhh

[fathom ridge]

Wood type sounds like how another monster catcher would call the grass type ngl

[inland hound]

YEAH

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/excadrill-pokemon-excadrill-excadrill-uses-drill-run-drill-run-gif-24444440

[full bison]

Grass is kinda a bizarre name for a type anyways, we're just really used to it

It'd make more sense as Plant type

[fathom ridge]

It’s actually called that in Spanish, but tbf plant type sounds a bit weird in English, but it could be just bc I’m used to grass type

[marble meadow]

Space type

[tender plank]

I would faint if space type ever became real

my lifelong dream

[full bison]

I'm personally just amazed at how many people are still hoping for Sound type to be a thing when it's pretty established as a subtype

[fathom ridge]

Well that’s why people want, it’s already a subtype so it isn’t hard to imagine what moves and Pokémon would be sound type

[velvet root]

I wonder what would happen with Noivern if we got Sound type

[full bison]

Sound type would mean Boomburst would be Super Effective against things. Consider how stupid that'd be for a sec

[full bison]

Also Toxtricity

[fathom ridge]

Probably it would drop flying, vikavolt isn’t flying type and a lot of other mons that could be flying have another second type instead

[ember bear]

stab boomburst yum

[rancid nymph]

I’m not sure about that. When fairy got introduced, the only type that it got replaced with is normal

[glass patio]

ight now that my shed pokefan is over it’s time for minior 🔥

[quaint matrix]

Is Azumarill not enough for you babies

jk jk we really do but thankfully at least we're gonna the Slurper

[fathom ridge]

congrats on getting the pokefan

[glass patio]

ty

[quaint matrix]

Whoa wait how'd you make this

[glass patio]

made this custom pokefan chart

and just put my sprites on it

[quaint matrix]

Oh custom 😔

I thought it's a site

[glass patio]

there’s a site to do it

but i wanted my chart to look good

so i had to do it manually

[quaint matrix]

Ahhhhh you just edited it with Shedinja colors

[glass patio]

yeah here’s the original

[dusty arrow]

sorry, i forgot about azumarill

but the problem os

througb out heaven and earth, i alone am the granbull fan

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-i-am-done-leaving-mimikyu-gif-17975721128336027242

[dusty arrow]

oh right mimikyu is there too-

how did i forget about mimikyu what

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/mawile-pokemon-thinking-gif-14110954459526077262

In theory Mawile too

[dusty arrow]

i mean yeahh-

but mawile isnt that good outside of mega form unfortunately

[alpine rune]

:0

Now you got a [heart shaped object]

[proud lion]

I can see how Foongus could be revealed. 3 Pokeballs on Screen. One of them is the Foongus. Reaction Bait 2 of the duds end up being a Yamask and a Bulbasaur, hinting at the type and who once owned an Amoongus. The third ball would not open but move, then reveal itself

[full bison]

I actually had a similar idea for revealing Poipole cause it's the UB starter

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-what-i-just-read-gif-20766315

That's dark

[dusty arrow]

damn you github

[fathom ridge]

dont you mean gitlab

[dusty arrow]

yes

[alpine rune]

No, I meant gitlobby

[dusty arrow]

now im afraid to send out a auto gen

[fathom ridge]

the temporary only lasted a few hours anyways

[stoic sluice]

So when do you think next reveal would be?

[alpine rune]

19 days from now

[stoic sluice]

Why so late?

[proud lion]

No Pokémon is harmed, they just come out of the Pokeballs

[proud lion]

Probably tomorrow

[alpine rune]

Yeaa pffft 1 casualty

Statistically not lethal

[alpine rune]

Yes

[full bison]

we'll probably start getting hints this coming Monday if I had to guess

I'm just curious if it'll be about that 1-slotter and what it'd be

Not entirely convinced it's gonna be a Mythical quite yet, and Minior has coding complications attached

[gray vine]

not really any complications

[full bison]

It's a little early if we wanna do a snow thing for Cryogonal, and Tropius would be our 3rd Grass line

[gray vine]

Necrozma is already a thing same with Meloetta its a inbattle form change

adding all the minior colors is just dumb

its uneeded

[hexed agate]

But what if Simisparj

Or Wormadam

[full bison]

You realize Minior was supposed to be added earlier but got replaced by Cresselia in regards to code issues, right?

[hexed agate]

Miniwho?

[full bison]

Shields Down is a bizarre ability in how it swaps between forms

[fathom ridge]

hear me out, i think there will be a reveal tomorrow, bc if there isnt, i would be a bit sad

i wonder if you could sell those in ebay i saw that happening with other shinys

[unkempt kernel]

Next reveal is Yamper

[fathom ridge]

gen 8

[gray vine]

whats ypour point

the mons i named where added alongside cresselia

[unkempt kernel]

It was very clearly a joke

[elfin forge]

I probably won’t. I like keeping my shinies

[fathom ridge]

or was it ||(it was)||

[unkempt kernel]

If I was being fr it would be Pach

[full bison]

Exactly. If Frog could get the code working on Minior, it'd be in already. The fact that those Mons are in but Minior isn't clearly means it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[gray vine]

thats under the assumption Minior is just confirmed which it isnt

and again the form change thing was already dealt with

[fathom ridge]

minior would be cool tbh

the rock shell is soooo cool when combine with the colorful interior

[gray vine]

Minior was even part of the Community Vote, so again i dunno what your talking about

[dusty arrow]

its not ice type magikarp

[gray vine]

if Minior was voted as the mon it would be in

[outer matrix]

|| but simispark was a reddit fakemon? wouldn't we need permission from the redditor who made it? ||

[hexed agate]

Simispark is above all that

[gray vine]

why would it make sunday fun oif the reveal is Saturday

[fathom ridge]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[gray vine]

[hexed agate]

I just typed

[fathom ridge]

bc you have something to sprite!