pif-hoenn-discussion

[haughty stratus]

ok

[full bison]

probably early/mid-November at this rate

[west sonnet]

Also sprite repo delay

[hard tinsel]

do we already know what size Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist it's gonna be?

[plucky tendon]

all of them

they’re gonna be randomized

[hard tinsel]

fair enough

[full bison]

there's a pinned message by Frog explaining it

[plucky tendon]

look

[hard tinsel]

oh my bad

[full bison]

Also worth noting is that they're still only 2 slots

[inland jewel]

Yee, pokedex wise one slot since the only thing changing is stats

now if each form had different abilities or types, it would warrent multiple slots

which also means, if you unfuse your gourgeist then it can have a different stat spread

[glass patio]

pog!

[thorny ferry]

oh, so I stop paying attention to the server for 5 hours and suddenly pumpkapeak is in the game?

splendid

[warm skiff]

finally
we can make dessert based fusions... freedom

[glass patio]

we can’t make meteors tho

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[azure python]

Fluffy cotton candy doge :3

[opaque ether]

Think there's a single-stager in the lineup, so Minior has a chance.

[fossil gull]

I want one joke sprite to be the four fucking slurpuff

[proud lion]

Minior could be a 2 slotter with the Shield Up

Ditto with Wishiwashi

[opaque ether]

Fair point, hadn't considered that.

[hexed agate]

Relicanth...

[opaque ether]

Of those you posted, Torkoal would be neat.

[unkempt kernel]

Squirrel

[hexed agate]

Heatmor and Durant are rivals, likely would be paired

moreso than other rivals

[proud lion]

Zangoose and Seviper are a two slotter according to Frog

[opaque ether]

I'm honestly indifferent though. I don't really mind who gets in, I just want Poochyena and Mightyena.

[hexed agate]

I'd imagine so

[fallen loom]

also Turtonator and Drampa are version exclusives, so together too?

[hexed agate]

I want everyone one but them

Pooch is fine, but it comes with Mightyena

[hexed agate]

they're proper rivals, actually iirc

but they'd probably be separate

[fallen loom]

it's Tropius

[proud lion]

I think they are just version exclusives according to Bulbapedia

[analog stag]

Why were so many rivals seperated in the poll?

[hexed agate]

Gordo and I went over it at one point, but I'm not going to dig

[hexed agate]

because a lot of people would cry at a rival of a liked pokemon taking slots

[analog stag]

Let em cry

[hexed agate]

for example, as well-welcomed as Slurpuff was, Aromatisse was all the way at the bottom

[fallen loom]

Aromatisse would get more out of fusing TBF

[analog stag]

Aromatisse is a fucking mess thematically

Just a confused design that doesn’t know what it wants to be

[analog stag]

Does it wanna be perfume, a dancer, or a plague doctor?

Not even it knows

[fallen loom]

or a pompom

[outer matrix]

there should be an update where every single early route pokemon gets added so that they won't get overshadowed by other popular pokemon

[analog stag]

Zigzagoon will get in some day

[fallen loom]

someone has to be last

[opaque ether]

I'd be down for that.

[fallen loom]

maybe a re-remix mode where early trainers have Zigzagoon, Poochyena, Wurmple and Patrat fusions

[proud lion]

Aromatisse fusion moment

[fallen loom]

if each update adds in early route Pokémon and a Pikaclone, it should be spaced out instead of being at the back of the dex

by 550, some early route mon and Pikaclones should be added in

[full bison]

Honestly the only early route Mon I see being voted in is Staraptor

and the only Pikaclone likely to be voted in is Pachi

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/emolga-pokemon-crying-cute-gif-4573358

[full bison]

Sorry Emolga, you shouldn't have spammed Double Team and TWave in all those BW fights if you wanted my favor

[fallen loom]

Probably be added by 550:
Tropius
Spheal line
Petilil line
Tirtouga line
Archen line
Malamar line
Cutiefly line
Bounsweet line
Minior
Xerneas
Lunala
Zygarde
Cosmog line
Diancie + 1 or 2 more other Mythicals
2 unpopular mon like Luvdisc and Alomomola or Volbeat and Illumise

[silent acorn]

Its just so cooooool man

[olive brook]

So I’m sure this is a constant topic but what’s the word on us seeing any Gen 9 Pokémon?

[west sonnet]

No

The code base used only goes up to gen 7

All attempts to manually do gen 8/9 killed the game

[olive brook]

Fair enough

[west sonnet]

Like critical failure tier stuff

[olive brook]

Damn lol

[full bison]

A shame, seeing Tinkaton make hammers out of everything it's fused with like it's playing Monster Hunter would've been fun

[west sonnet]

And enough from the code base as is doesn’t work well (Weather moves)

[hot hamlet]

Asked enough to make this

[olive brook]

Lmao

I mean it finally got Tyrantrum so I’m happy as peach once I saw he got added lol

[west sonnet]

It’s also why some sequel evolutions (Weavile, Tangrowth) are in but gen 8/9 ones (Dudunsparce, Farigiraf) aren’t

[olive brook]

Oh interesting

[hot hamlet]

Technically those are if you count self fusions

[west sonnet]

I mean as independent mons within the code base

[hot hamlet]

Yeah

[grave jolt]

Slurpuff

[hot hamlet]

Once we get the final count I seriously want to put together a Non-IF theme team

I just don’t know what to exclude first

[fallen loom]

so just use Gen 8 and 9 mon

[hot hamlet]

lol fair but I want to see what I can get away with first

[fallen loom]

outside of them there will be around 315 left to pick from Gens 3-7

[feral bear]

Aromatisse coming soon yall!!!

[leaden dune]

Is the froakie line in?

[fallen loom]

yes

[leaden dune]

Omg yassss

Ty

[full bison]

it will be soon

[hot hamlet]

Not all of them have equivalents, but that’s again why I said once I know what will be in the game, I can sift through Luxio’s Non-IF folder

[fallen loom]

there's a non-IF folder?

[hot hamlet]

Ye

[west sonnet]

Implemented next update probably

[fallen loom]

BTW, are forms not in IF allowed?

[full bison]

Counterpoint: we have Cottonee without Petilil

[naive swan]

if only maractus

[hot hamlet]

Probably not counting Dusk but who knows?
This is just like a pre-alpha build arm

[coarse karma]

@spice sage just now saw the announcment and read through the adventure, that fake out that turned out to not be a fake out was the best troll ever.

[full bison]

it was certainly a nice trick and treat, huh

[hot hamlet]

Tricked with a treat then treated with a trick

[coarse karma]

if it's something like a regional form, they can be used to make fusions in sprite-work but regional forms are always counted as alts. other wise nah

[hot hamlet]

We’re discussing a potential Non-IF run I want to start making once the final announcement is made

[fallen loom]

they shouldn't

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/slurpuff-gif-8583116713208206659

[full bison]

eeehm ayksually it's monday

[hot hamlet]

You try making an alliteration involving Slurpuff and Monday

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/swirlix-slurpuff-pokemon-gif-4052034594083968135

[spice sage]

That was @mossy parrot !

[hot hamlet]

Then thank Kiwi for us! We loved it

[fallen loom]

probably won't be added until last 100:
Wurmple line
Patrat line
Pidove line
Gumshoos line
Togedemaru
Elgyem line
Chatot

[coarse karma]

i still think this galarian-weezing/golduck is great it's listed as a normal weezing in-game

[full bison]

I'm good with Patrat never being added TBH

[grave jolt]

tbf that just looks like normal weezing and wouldn't have been able to tell otherwise.

[fallen loom]

the issue is that sprites like that just make people defend regional forms never getting in BECAUSE of sprites like that making it confusing

that and the stupid fusion guessing game

[coarse karma]

ngl i thought so many pokemon were in the game cause of this only to be told they were non if

[grave jolt]

I want some regionals because you just can't make their type combo in game by fusing their base pokemon.

[fallen loom]

this!

[fallen loom]

it's why forms not in the game shouldn't have those sprites used for fusion

[full bison]

I'd love specifically A.Ninetales cause there's barely any Snow Warning Mons available and they're both a pain for different reasons

[grave jolt]

Alolan Sandshrew and Alolan Vulpix are Ice/Steel and Ice/Fairy respectively, meaning you just can't use their basic forms to make them.

[fallen loom]

also people complain about body fusions looking too alike to the Kantonian forms

Alolan Exeggutor on the other hand doesn't have that problem

though the fact that it has a custom sprite is an issue

[hot hamlet]

I like Elgyem and feel he has a lot of cool potential

[inland jewel]

what about if its a head fusion though?

[fallen loom]

Typical excuse: "No we can't have Rotom Wash because head fusions would suck and starter fusions use that sprite" and "No we can't have them because that would mean reorganising the whole dex so they're next to Rotom" You know... despite the fact that Talonflame is listed earlier than Fletchling and Fletchinder and no-one cares about that

[grave jolt]

Alolan Marrowak is also not obtainable as a type combination using its basic form, since it's Fire/Ghost
Alolan Meowth is pure dark, while normal Meowth is pure normal!

[fallen loom]

it would have Alolan Exeggutor tail

[inland jewel]

misinformation:

Its finding sprites and reorganizing, not the actual dex

[inland jewel]

that would be a feature of the body, not the head though

[fallen loom]

head fusion includes the limbs and tail

[inland jewel]

like, the body of alolan exeggutor would be the long neck maybe, but definitely the body and the tail

The head would be the 3 eggs + the long neck

[grave jolt]

Any sprites based on the regional forms would be moved to those regional entries anyway

[inland jewel]

the tail would be what differenciates a-exegg from regular exegg

But aside from that, IF rotom does get his forms, it would be placed at 501 etc

any rotom-wash fusions would just be renamed to 501

BUT, there are so many rotom wash fusion, that it would gut regular rotom's, and the general rebranding of those sprites is a hassle that no one wants to do

[fallen loom]

why though? I already that it doesn't matter if mon are away from other mon they're related to, like Talonflame being 372 and Fletchling being 417

[inland jewel]

yeah thats not the issue

the issue is finding any sprites named Rotom, and renaming them to Rotom-Wash's #

and then doing that to any other rotom forms

not to mention fusions that incorporate 2 forms in one

do they go into Rotom heat? or do they go into Rotom mow

[grave jolt]

some rotom fusions are unique alternate forms

[fallen loom]

I mean it's better to do this now than later

[grave jolt]

What about Rotom-GBA? /j

[fallen loom]

even ignoring Rotom and focussing on forms that look more distinct like most regional ones, I'd still say it's worth going back and adding in anything that's distinct enough to be in

BTW, Rotom have different colour eyes and electricity depending on the form, so the head fusions could be based on that

that way Fridge + Pikachu would look different from Toaster + Pikachu

[quaint matrix]

Real talk tho will there ever be Pokedex resorting since now every new Pokemon added is a complete line instead of just the final evo and then prerequisites later

Since that whole process was a relic of its time

[fallen loom]

SHOULD be

[quaint matrix]

I mean it is

Every new Pokemon added nowadays is its complete line rather than being just final evos first

[silent acorn]

Being in since last year XD

[olive brook]

Oh I know was just saying it made me happy

😁

[glass patio]

i’m waiting for someone to make that fake out a swirlix/pumpkaboo

[silent acorn]

They don't take differents slots do they?

[full bison]

nope

[silent acorn]

If so i wanna know what happens when say Darmanitan with its other form comes in? (maybe )

[full bison]

Feel like this might need a pin too

Zenmanitan is different enough from Regular Darm that I imagine it will get it's own slot

[dusty arrow]

CHAT

CHAT WHAT THE FUCK

[full bison]

different looks, stats, type, it all adds up

[tender plank]

???

[dusty arrow]

CHANSEY ISNT S TIER IN RBY OU ANYMORE

ITS JUST THE BIG TWO NOW

[full bison]

k

[spice sage]

I don't think this needs a pin, the dex numbers are in the announcement. If they took 4 slots each then there would be 8 dex numbers

[full bison]

fair

[grave jolt]

holy shit that's big

[silent acorn]

I hope because that be really fun

Its built to be one of the best tanks ever

[grave jolt]

Chansey has been dethroned in RBY

[dusty arrow]

snorlax and tauros are now married

[full bison]

Zenmanitan's way too flawed to be "one of the best tanks ever." It's form is tied to the ability so it most likely wouldn't be a free change like Melo

And a tank at half HP only is a pretty bad tank

[deft trout]

I wonder what epic spriter made this...

[umbral river]

We DID IT, folks!!

Finally... after all this time... we got the ones we were waiting for... the ones everyone was waiting for...

PUMPKABOO AND GOURGEIST GIVE IT UP

WOOOOOoooh yeah and slurpuff made it too that's cool :)

[inland jewel]

different types means different slots. So it'd be like Necrozma

[full bison]

Still a little upset that it wasn't some crazy Poipole bait-and-switch, especially considering there's 9 slots left, meaning the UB Cope is all but dead unless they're willing to add them individually

but hey, people wanted these 2 for a while and I'm happy for them

[inland jewel]

Considering the time that they were on a poll all of them were seperate

and also the time that the Winner chose a UB for winner's raffle and only Xurkitree showed up

safe to say they aren't bundled together

[umbral river]

Honestly I'd be a little upset if we just got a bunch of UBs for this update

[full bison]

if they aren't bundled together, then my hope for Nihilego and/or Poipole will continue

[umbral river]

I love the UBs and they'd make for stellar fusions, but I really think they deserve their own update

[inland jewel]

an event where they are a post game takeover a place would be neat

like Xurkitree is in the powerplant or the lighthouse

[proud lion]

I just had an epiphany: Last week's Theme Blitz was Masquerade
WHAT IF we get Aromatisse this batch?

https://tenor.com/view/aromatisse-perfume-monster-sad-pokemon-amie-pokemon-gif-27404569

[umbral river]

That'd be cool. Maybe even add them during the Post-Postgame

Which would make sense for spoiler reasons

And would also give the postpostgame more than just getting to encounter the sinnoh trio (which is already trivial if you have Arceus)

[full bison]

The UBs would probably be some big series of quests the same way they were in SM

Maybe with the Ultra Recon Squad giving a gift Poipole as a reward for completion

[umbral river]

That'd be fun!

[inland jewel]

more unique npcs for if/when they do a battle hall

[full bison]

If the UBs are added individually, I'd say Nihilego and Poipole would probably be the first ones getting in

one's the poster child and the other's the Ultra Space Starter

though Blacephalon seems to be the popular pick

[umbral river]

Is battle hall just, like, endless wave of battles?

[inland jewel]

So a while ago I suggested a place to battle unique trainers, (like Other region rivals, other region gym leaders, evil team admits, etc)

It would work just like the Gym Leader place in post game

[umbral river]

Ah okay

[inland jewel]

where you find these unique npcs and once you beat them you can battle them again via the "battle hall"

this offers more exploring, + offers a place to make Olivine or Cianwood relevant

so they can finally be added to the game

[umbral river]

Trueee

I remember offering another suggestion of something to put in one of the two places

Oh!

The Black & White pokemon contest place that's right (or honestly any of the contest minigames)

But that's probably a lot less exciting for most

[full bison]

pwt

[inland jewel]

how would that even work in this game, especially since Essentials doesn't support it i think

[umbral river]

I dunno, I didn't bother to think of it that far

[coarse karma]

lol, right?

[full bison]

also there's apparently not much mapping data left for use so...

[glass patio]

would be a peak sprite

[silent acorn]

I mean thats good another psychic or fire tank

[silent acorn]

Bruh the stat total is arcanine level bs for a tank

[full bison]

What functional tank works at half HP only

[coarse karma]

@glass patio I like ur shedinja minior btw

[silent acorn]

The thing i am saying that the form in the battle itself change is bad, but having zenmanitan from the get go its busted

Basically let zen and darmanitan work independantly

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[silent acorn]

We get double the mon

[glass patio]

i only stand for one flag

[silent acorn]

Or you know

[full bison]

That'd be interesting, but probably won't happen cause the form is ability based

[umbral river]

I also like darmanitan it's a fun looking mon

[silent acorn]

Just keep zen locked to its ability all the time sincs it's BST is absurd

[silent acorn]

I mean maybe

[full bison]

Also Darm with Sheer Force is already an insane hitter

[glass patio]

Smh, these reactions don’t understand peak 😔

[inland jewel]

i forgot, does Zenmanitan go back to regular manitan if above 50% hp

[silent acorn]

But do you care if you get it without having to change in battle?

[silent acorn]

Nope

[full bison]

yup

[silent acorn]

It just changes

[umbral river]

wh

[glass patio]

i mean they’re not the actual peak since that’s minior but still

[umbral river]

Okay one of you needs to fact check

[silent acorn]

I mean lets be real

Zenmanitan in battle change sucks

And it sucks big time

[umbral river]

or kricketune

[full bison]

"At the end of a turn, if the HP of a Zen Mode Darmanitan with the Ability Zen Mode is above half, it will change into its Standard Mode. Darmanitan is always in Standard Mode outside of battle. "-Bulbapedia

[silent acorn]

Alright i was wrong

But tell me that forcing Zen Mode to work only in battle its a good thing

[inland jewel]

until we get a mon that changes form via HP, its all we can do is speculate

sinec Frog ain't gonna think about it till it gets in

so until we see Minior, Darmanitan, Wishiwashi

[silent acorn]

Well then Darmanitan should stay Skippable Tier

Because its change isnt the good kind

[full bison]

Tons of people apprently want Minior to only be one form

[silent acorn]

How it works in vanilla anyway

[inland jewel]

Considering Frogman has been trying to stay as close to official games as possible

its most likely going to follow gamefreak's way and be it a battle change only

[glass patio]

tbh i dont mind

[full bison]

there is some precedence for free change with Melo, but that's move based and also a Legendary

[uneven forum]

Need an Ultra Beast

At least 1 pair

[glass patio]

like what if those fusions with both forms’ stuff become the predominant form

[umbral river]

I kill the ultra beast

[inland jewel]

the only thing thats up in the air for Miniior is that it gains stats due to its ability

[umbral river]

And in its place I slide Kricketot and Kricketune into the slot the UB pair had

[inland jewel]

it doesn't switch them around like Aegislash else I'd just class it under Aegislash's type of change

[full bison]

Gourgeist just proved that that may not be a big issue if it's to only be 1 form

[glass patio]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1274859030317236326 like for example this could be a minior core

[inland jewel]

Gourgeist doesn't gain stats via its forms

it shuffles them around like Aegislash

big one moves its speed stat into its defenses

small one moves its defenses into its speed stat

[silent acorn]

I mean... Works about the same as Aegislash

[umbral river]

I'd imagine it'd be like Aegislash then

[inland jewel]

as opposed to Minior who just gains 70 speed out of nowhere

[silent acorn]

Actual question

[umbral river]

Oh I thought you were saying that's what minior does

[inland jewel]

becaues its 150 def/spdef and 40 speed becomes 150 atk/SpAtk and 100 speed

[silent acorn]

Is there even one mon already in that has this HP change mechanic?

[inland jewel]

like... where is the extra 60 coming from?

[inland jewel]

nope

[silent acorn]

Becauase i wonder

[umbral river]

No apparently

[silent acorn]

Then that's the answer

Its not factible

[inland jewel]

Archeops, Wishiwashi, Minior, Darmanitan

[full bison]

So until we get Wishiwashi, Minior, or Zenmanitan, this is just a big fat question mark

[inland jewel]

none of them are in

[silent acorn]

If bringing a new thing into screen creates lag, imagine changing a whole variable

[full bison]

Archeops isn''t a form change tho

[silent acorn]

Yeah but arceops its a stat thing not a bst or form change

[inland jewel]

it loses stats via ability

[silent acorn]

Its...

A flat decrease

[inland jewel]

its a stat change via hp

[silent acorn]

Halves

Yeah but we are talking form Changing mechanic

If anything what ability is in that causes an effect with hp?

Only the starter abilities i think

Maybe Emergency Exit on Golisopod

Although...

[umbral river]

Yeah the Wimpod line

[silent acorn]

We haven't tested that

[umbral river]

True, but they're in the game, eventually

[silent acorn]

But there is pyukkumukku

Innards does trigger with hp

[umbral river]

I thought Pyukumuku's was just "when it dies"

[inland jewel]

yeah, but thats damage

[silent acorn]

Aftermath also does it

[inland jewel]

If its hit by an attack when it dies, it takes whatever remaining hp it does and damages it to the user

[silent acorn]

And it works

[inland jewel]

so if it has 150 hp when it dies, then it deals 150 back

[silent acorn]

On a mon like cherrim form Change isnt a problem

[inland jewel]

if it had 30 when it dies, it deals 30 back

[umbral river]

Fissure killer

[silent acorn]

Since its only cosmetic

Cherrim doesnt change stats. The real problem is the transition IN BATTLE

[full bison]

I'm still upset that Pyuk has an ability like that but still has high defenses with low HP

[silent acorn]

Out of battle no prob

In battle...

[inland jewel]

actually, Cherrim's ability does give it a stat change

if sunny, it increases Attack and Sp.Def in battle

[silent acorn]

Its a boost

Well yes its a boost

That's all tho

[full bison]

Pyuk's best role as it stands is being a Nuzlocke damager in this game

[silent acorn]

Doesnt change ability, doesn't change moveset, doesnt change anything else

[inland jewel]

lmao, reading Flower Gift, it says all pokemon

[silent acorn]

Ally

It does it to iself (not gen 4 thats why it sucked ass) and then allies

[full bison]

Cherrim would make for an interesting Sun team if they ever fix the weather abilities

[silent acorn]

Id be fine with emo Cherrim honestly

Its kinda neat

[full bison]

"Party Pokemon"

As in your party

[silent acorn]

What would happen tho

[inland jewel]

Irys specifically said Ally

[umbral river]

Me & the rando nuzlocke players finding a Voltorb fusion on Route 2 (it knows Sonic Boom)

[silent acorn]

If cherrim got in

It doesnt have a hidden ability

[inland jewel]

prooving that it is indeed "all" pokemon

[full bison]

potayto potahto. Means the same thing

"Party Pokemon" means only Pokemon in your party

[inland jewel]

yeah all pokemon in your party

ally is whats on the field

[silent acorn]

Anyway

[inland jewel]

like if you're in a double battle with Gary as your helper

or Erika

they don't get a boost

[silent acorn]

I do wonder if you remove the ability from cherrim in a fusion

Does it just stay the emo one?

[inland jewel]

yes

randomizer in other games does show that cherrim can't become sunny

[silent acorn]

If so then does the flower form just like exist separate of the main one and then would that mean the sprites be locked out or...

[inland jewel]

plus... you know gastro acid

[silent acorn]

Man its confusing

I would hate mainly for the fact of no seeing the sprite

[inland jewel]

i feel it'd be like an aegislash situation, where its just one sprite for the entire mon

[silent acorn]

Because like

But i mean

[inland jewel]

despite it having two "forms"

[silent acorn]

That's different

[grave jolt]

I'd hope you could get flower form without ability, but alas.

[inland jewel]

i mean, sprite wise you can

[silent acorn]

Sincs literally Aegislash is like the same thing just different poses

[inland jewel]

it just doesn't get its special boosts if its not sunny

[silent acorn]

And then Cherrim is like two different wardrobes

[molten latch]

Why is your name Goatrys

[grave jolt]

Aegislash is special because it's too old and entrenched to get from change.

[silent acorn]

I am Goat

For now

[molten latch]

Ok?

[silent acorn]

Alright

So

[proud lion]

#1290484739802927227

[silent acorn]

Yeah i just want them nice sprites

[silent acorn]

Thanka i hate it

Because i love it

[inland jewel]

i feel like it's just gonna be one dex slot, therefore sharing sprites

[silent acorn]

The best solution honestly

[inland jewel]

since, no stat change, no different type

no different moveset or ability

even then. Flower Gift, the ability is the one giving bonus stats

[silent acorn]

Now my Verdict

Zen mode out of battle S+ Tier
Zen Mode in Battle F- tier

[grave jolt]

Wish we could choose the oit of battle form smh

[glass patio]

why not

fast boy

[inland jewel]

i want it to make sense

like it'd be fine if it was 120 atk/Spdef and then it has the 100 speed

[glass patio]

it loses the meteor so it weights less and it moves faster

[inland jewel]

but its just swapping its defenseive stats with its offensive stats and then gaining the speed

[grave jolt]

Minior sheds it's outer shell

[inland jewel]

i know why it gets faster

im just asking, where the extra stats are coming from

[glass patio]

do they have to come from somewhere?

[silent acorn]

Anime nonsense logic

Goku removing weights logic

[glass patio]

like what would you change the speed with

[silent acorn]

Rock Lee losing weights logic

[inland jewel]

either less attack, or less defense

[silent acorn]

Id think it dumb to even try

That ain't how shooting stars work tho

They lose mass hence gain speed

[inland jewel]

so looking at the actual stats. I was correct in it just swapping its Atk/Spatk with its Def/SpDef when it changes forms

[silent acorn]

Hence speed equals impact velocity

[inland jewel]

but its base 60 speed becomse 120, which is gained for not sacrificing anything else

[silent acorn]

The Spatk tho, nonsense

[proud lion]

Options for 488

[inland jewel]

missing Drudigan

[proud lion]

Ah; my bad

[glass patio]

yeah minior should be more of a physical attacker but it got equal special attack tho

it’d make more sense

[inland jewel]

isn't flying more special based?

or is it severely lacking good special moves like rock does

[glass patio]

idk

[inland jewel]

also i think it got an even special attack due to it knowing Meteor Beam

which is a special move

[silent acorn]

No...

Aerial ace, flying, bounce, brave bird, sky attack, wing attack, peck, drill peck, pluck.

[glass patio]

flying reminds me of birds and aren’t those mostly physical

[silent acorn]

And then special is like Hurricane, Air Cutter, Air Slash... And yeah thats it

[glass patio]

like the pokemon birds

[inland jewel]

Aeroblast

[silent acorn]

Nani no blast?

Aint that a signature?

Yeah it is

Only Lugia

[inland jewel]

anyway, if its only stats tahts being changed due to ability, then Minior as one slot makes sense

if its about sprites, then people can easily change them

[silent acorn]

Oh of physical i was forgetting, Acrobatics, Beak Blast,...

Weird fact but mirror move is flying

For some... Reason

[full bison]

Mirror move is Parrot Mimicry in Japan

So the same reason Ampharos doesn't get Tail Glow

[silent acorn]

Yeah i know still

[full bison]

cause that's Firefly Light in Japan

[silent acorn]

That aint what parrots do...

Man the japanese were smoking something when they made that one

[inland jewel]

idk, i find it weak that the translators didn't want to just give us a move called Firefly Light

[silent acorn]

Oblivion wing is special tho

[full bison]

apparently Squawkabliiy doesn't learn Parrot Mimicry lol

the parrot doesn't learn the Parrot move

[inland jewel]

thats because its a dexit move

[silent acorn]

There is sky drop neat

[inland jewel]

a ton of moves are made redundant and are most likely never coming back

[full bison]

keep forgetting moves other than Pursuit were removed

[silent acorn]

Beheeyem knows steel wing

Xd

[inland jewel]

Little UFO soldier

[full bison]

Still mad about Pursuit being axed

now Ghosts are cracked without it

[silent acorn]

Not really

You can just pursue a different career

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/flutter-mane-get-flutter-maned-lmao-get-flutter-mane'd-lmao-pokemon-gif-13780526490294018033

[full bison]

TBF Flutter Mane would still be OP even if Pursuit was a thing

[fossil gull]

I hope someone makes a pumpkin spice latte joke alt for pumpkaboo/slurpuff

[full bison]

Gamefreak was on some stuff making Flutter's stats

[fossil gull]

Misdrivious is a fav of gamfreak

[magic escarp]

odds of Castform? 🥺

[next flare]

Low

Very

[magic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-majima-understandable-have-a-great-day-gif-27057900

[glad vortex]

the real question is when is my boi spheal gonna be added ? 👀

[grave jolt]

Summer event

Beach ball

[full bison]

the highest odds Pokemon at this point, going off the votes, are Tropius and Mienshao with Vikavolt being a strong contender

there's also Salazzle, but I can see them trying to sidestep her for... obvious reasons

[glad vortex]

yeah could understand that

[twin phoenix]

Rooting for Mienshao~

[proper sun]

I love salazle

[full bison]

I am a proud member of the Mienshao Movement

[glad vortex]

personnally walrein and eelektross are two of my favorite so kinda sad theyre not in there yet

[full bison]

I'd enjoy Eelektross.

[proper sun]

Is amura in it?

[full bison]

yup

[latent sedge]

I just really like litten and torracat, and think they’ll make great fusions (:

[full bison]

we even skipped the Unova fossils to add Amaura

[proper sun]

Yay

[glad vortex]

love my guy and just the electric typing with levitate, could do some nasty fusion with that

[full bison]

Sadly the no weakness thing would only work fusing Eelektross to another pure Electric type, but some fun can still be had by mitigating weaknesses. Like on an Electric/Fire fusion

[glad vortex]

yeah,exactly my plain to be honest, top two favorite typing but not the best combo so it would be interesting to play with

[grave jolt]

I mean, most electric types are pure electric.

[inland jewel]

Not true anymore, they got rid of type exception

[grave jolt]

and 4 types (normal, poison, water, and Fairy) would only give it one weakness.

[inland jewel]

So it’s possible to get pure electric out of a primary electric and a secondary electric even if they have other types

[weak trellis]

to be specific, if the body is pure electric then the fusion can still be pure electric

if it's a pure electric head on something like galvantula (bug/electric) then the body rule will then make it electric/bug

since the former is fire/flying going on pure fire then it's still mono, but the latter has pure electric going on electric/bug ends up being subject to the body rule and gets the head's type applied

you'll generally see the body rule most when you'll get two dual types creating what would otherwise be a monotype like in this case with the left fusion

...I just noticed this is New Pokemon Discussion and not Fusions oops

[pale flame]

Oh I made one of these too

[weak trellis]

yea SharpSharp was a good mon, sad I lost her during the water run

[daring burrow]

Oh the both spooky plant pokemon on the game

Neat

[full bison]

let's get Vanilluxe in here so we have both the dessert Pokemon too lol

[coral axle]

I would love Vanilluxe

[dim sparrow]

I wonder if they're gonna be adding more Pokémon for holiday things

[zinc cave]

you think they are gonna round it up to 500 total pokemon

[cobalt temple]

For some reason, my dumbass brain thought slurpuff was in Gen 8 for a split second. I think I was confusing it with Alcremie.

[marble meadow]

pumpkim

[alpine rune]

Yes

I have my reasons as to why

[whole tinsel]

They said they'll go up to 500 to celebrate the 500k

[zinc cave]

neat

so 8 left

not that it was gonna happen but shame, theres 9 ultrabeasts

[quaint matrix]

We know the Bounsweet line is a lockin

My ideal is if they add in Starly line

[zinc cave]

whys bounsweet a lock in

[quaint matrix]

It's like a very likely speculation I think

[zinc cave]

ah gotcha

well hopefully tsareena and sharpedo get a fusion like the unite outfit

pirate fruit would be cool

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah UNITE's skins are essentially actually putting these guys in outfits

I love that they don't bother giving Cinderace pants because his legs are literally that

[zinc cave]

ikr

i also love that they gave buzzwole just a trenchcoat

[hasty oyster]

man so hyped for Pumpkaboo

can't wait to turn all my pokemon halloween themed

[grave jolt]

ooh new pack

[glacial vigil]

The dessert pokemon got in

Now lets add ice cweam :>

[hasty arch]

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-jojos-bizarre-adventures-jjba-jotaro-kujo-good-grief-gif-17161742

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/funky-cat-gc-slurpuff-pokemon-hungry-gif-5264269020457493661

[unkempt stone]

Nuh uh

[sinful smelt]

Spinda let's go

There's a chance!

[sharp nebula]

hooray! the lilligant and lilligant2 lines are being added!

[marble meadow]

nah i think the next one is shinotic or some other mon from the poll

[vestal wharf]

Devil fruit?

[zinc cave]

she must have the kick kick fruit or somethin

[trail hull]

Do you guys think we get an other reveal this week ?

[vestal wharf]

nah u said smth abt pirate fruit thats why i said devilfruit

[vestal wharf]

zigzagoon or poochyena

oh i read that wrong

it made sense to drop pumpkabooon october 1st tho

[trail hull]

I saw that lol

[grave jolt]

God I wish

Another earlygame pickup mon would be great

[zinc cave]

ahh gotcha

[wide merlin]

I have Hope for lumineon or one Legendary like the blade of the justice

[grave jolt]

lumineon?

[storm rose]

Cant wait for grumpig

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpig-attack-pig-pokemon-anime-gif-27399493

[hexed agate]

Relicanth

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/relicanth-gif-20464895

[opaque ether]

You know, Frog's announcement says "Stay tuned for some fun thematic events!" so I wonder if that means we may get more Halloween themed additions/reveals.
And you know what Pokemon has been tied to Halloween events before? It's copium time!

[hexed agate]

No

Anything but my arch nemesis

[opaque ether]

The hate you have for Mightyena saddens me.

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-kirlia-mightyena-hat-top-hat-gif-7788992338269665909

we gotta spheal the deal

[hexed agate]

It's both balding and has a mullet

Midlife crisis Pokemon

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-mightyenatuesday-gif-25825742

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-mightyenatuesday-gif-25825741

[hexed agate]

🙏

[opaque ether]

I wouldn't say it's balding, nor do I see its fur as a mullet. That's just how its parted. But to each their own.

And hey, fusions could easily fix that.

[hexed agate]

It will taint other Pokémon

[opaque ether]

That's a very short-sighted way of thinking. But if a Pokemon bothers you that badly, no reason to continue conversation.

[grave jolt]

I'm not a fan of Mightyena and was slightly dissappointed when my Poochyena evolved, but I still think it deserves to get into the game.

[cunning seal]

https://tenor.com/view/seviper-haze-smoke-pokémon-seviper-seviper-uses-haze-gif-25914563

[opaque ether]

I do favor Poochyena a tad more that Mightyena, but both are top favorites of mine. A cross-gen evo for Mightyena is what I want most out of PLZA.

[grave jolt]

Poochyena/Zigzagoon line would make a really good argument to be Galarian Zigzagoon

[opaque ether]

Funny enough I was just thinking about that.

Zigzagoon and Linoone would probably be my next picks after Poochyena and Mightyena. Pickup would be great.

[quaint matrix]

Mightyena-maxxing

At this point my wishlist is probably just the remaining Fossil pokemons (so the Archen and Tirtouga line)

Oh and the Electrike and Meditite line

[opaque ether]

I'm pretty bias towards Hoenn as a whole, so any line from that region would be nice to see.

[inland jewel]

Lumineon enjoyer! Based.

[twin phoenix]

Also Swords of Justice enjoyer. Based indeed.

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-zygarde-pokemon-terminalmontage-gif-26051241

[civic harness]

Hello there

[unique flame]

they really just released my two most wanted mons at the same time

[wide merlin]

like every french player , we would the blade , the three musketeers of course

[wide merlin]

the holy fish

[hexed agate]

It's a Pokémon at the end of the day, I wouldn't be mad it got in

[vestal wharf]

Holy shit mightyena

[hexed agate]

It's just my least favorite, so I like to dog on it a bit

[vestal wharf]

Also I read what u said btw

To avoid any confusion

[hexed agate]

That and Trumbeak

[vestal wharf]

I made a fan Evo for mightyena before, I want it in the game

[opaque ether]

Care to share? I'm always down to see concepts for a Mightyena evolution.

[vestal wharf]

It was like 6 years ago and I lost the footage and the paper

[hexed agate]

Eventual double fusion material

[vestal wharf]

So it's unrecoverable unless I remember it

All I remember is it was bipedal and water type

[hexed agate]

Mightyena does have a few interesting things ability and movepool-wise

[twin phoenix]

It's one of my first shinies back when I had little knowledge of them, so Mightyena has a special place in my heart.

It was also one I had to use a Master Ball on because she had Roar..

[hexed agate]

Piss-soaked shiny

[twin phoenix]

Spent too long showering herself in gold.

[hexed agate]

I remember getting an Altaria as one of my first shinies

[twin phoenix]

That one's a yellow shiny done right.

[hexed agate]

Also my playful distaste towards Azurill stems from the fact it killed a shiny Dratini in my Blaze Black 2 run

The only thing it killed

[twin phoenix]

It would have also killed my heart..

[opaque ether]

My first shiny was Numel in my first Pokemon game too. I remember seeing the sparkle animation and saw its color was different. I caught it only because I didn't understand it. Wasn't until well after the fact I learned how rare it was.

[hexed agate]

I remember Hippowdon confusing the shit out of me

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-sniff-nose-hungry-pokemon-gif-14614876398478750391

Hello Chat

[deft obsidian]

I got confused by gligar in platinum, I was like " wait why this one is blue? Could be shiny?"

And then I realised gligar pallet looks different in platinum

[ivory rune]

gligar can't decide on what color he wants to be fr

[silent acorn]

Try beautifly

Actual crap shiny

I just trade it to a classmate for something i wanted at the time

Think it was a trade evo

Was well before i knew what they were or how to get more

[ornate tide]

Hemoglobin

[silent acorn]

And then i kinda didn't care anymore

[full bison]

Gligar's official Pokedex color is Purple despite being pink most of the time

[silent acorn]

Since i don't play modern pokemon on consoles (namely because screw Nintendo)

I just don't concern myself with it

[ornate tide]

Slurpuff got added crazy

[silent acorn]

Its a fine add

Churromon

[ornate tide]

The d1 opp for me

[hollow arch]

What a fine thing to wake up to! 🍰

[ornate tide]

More excited for gourgeist

[silent acorn]

I get to use Churrolotic

[ornate tide]

Pumpkin go brrrr

[full bison]

My only issue with Slurpuff is it already seems to have Gardevoir Syndrome

[silent acorn]

Cherry go boom

[full bison]

Amazing Head fusions, but it's a phys attacker

[ornate tide]

Slurpuff already has a lot of amazing sprites tho

[hollow arch]

Gardevoir Syndrome?

[full bison]

and it's body is just a big lump

[deft obsidian]

I mean I saw gligar for first time in anime and it was pink, that's why I thought it's shiny.

[full bison]

When a Pokemon's stats befit being used one way in fusions, but only works aesthetically the other

[silent acorn]

I am fine with that

Garde has too many cool sprites

[deft obsidian]

What is gardevoir syndrome?

[hollow arch]

mm

[silent acorn]

Cool looking and pretty syndrome

[full bison]

Gardevoir, for example, is a special attacker, making it good as a head, but people mostly use it for body fusions

[twin phoenix]

Does body mean the fusion gets fairy type?

[hollow arch]

That is a bit annoying, yes, but I'm not too fussed over stats

[silent acorn]

Either way

Since its mono

[ornate tide]

Will we get Gourgeist large?

[deft obsidian]

Ah I see , I didn't this stuff

[ornate tide]

How are they gonna work

[silent acorn]

All of em

[full bison]

Check the pins

[silent acorn]

Just different stats and memeh

[ornate tide]

Are we gonna get the different sizes of pumpakaboos

[silent acorn]

Yes

Just a rescale of sprite

[ornate tide]

Holy W

[twin phoenix]

Will fusing and unfusing change the size?

[ornate tide]

This is a win for the city

[deft obsidian]

So physical attackers are better as body fusion?

[full bison]

yup

also fast Pokemon like Ninjask

[silent acorn]

What froggo said:
"A bit more information about pumpkaboo/gourgeist and how it will work in-game. Its different forms will not use different sprites (don't want to force the poor spriters to make 4 versions each time ), BUT the sprites will be scaled in-game depending on the form it has (and it will have the corresponding stats changes as well) "

[silent acorn]

Pretty much

Which is why for example i champion Lilli

[full bison]

Also they only take up 2 slots so they aren't slot hogs thankfully

[silent acorn]

Because its good as head but works as body

Sometimes a certain move counter balances the downgrade

Think of it like this

You fuse with a shedinja

Half hp

Max attack and barely hit

Its all in the mix maxing

[full bison]

Gourgeist is interesting in terms of stats because its smaller sizes are faster but its bigger ones have better HP, so which fusion is more desirable depends on size

[silent acorn]

If has the stat issue but you can find workarounds

[silent acorn]

Probably why Froggo added it

Variety with little

[fathom ridge]

That sounds so cool ngl

[silent acorn]

Yeah i think its neat

Basically its main gimmick its giving you different build options

So if you don't like a specific one you can use another

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if some people will do alts for different sizes still

[full bison]

It's gonna be fun to try and make Gourgeist a special attacker considering it's special moveset is way better than its phys moveset

Annoying Gourgeist fact: It doesn't learn Shadow Claw

[ivory rune]

I mean to be fair it doesn't have any hands

[inland jewel]

the hair on ist head acts as hands

as seen in anime and such

[ivory rune]

oh

no sharp hair 😔

[full bison]

Gourgeist's hair hands clearly end in points but no Shadow Claw

Shedinja gets Shadow Claw and it doesn't even have movable limbs

Diglett gets Shadow Claw

But not Gourgeist

Why.

[fallen loom]

why does Wooper get Ice Punch but not Kyurem?

[fathom ridge]

Well to be fair diglett could have claws under the dirt

[full bison]

Gourgeist's only viable Physical Ghost move is just Shadow Sneak because Poltergeist is Gen 8

[fathom ridge]

Now, this one doesn’t make sense

[fallen loom]

Phantom Force?

[full bison]

Phantom Force is dogwater

Pokemon only use it cause they have to, not cause they want to

[fallen loom]

also Crush Claw has weird distribution, since Weavile can't learn it outside of PokéWalker

[weak trellis]

phantom force is perfectly good for in-game use

it's only PvP where it falls apart because switching is a thing that frequently happens

also shadow claw I think?

[full bison]

For mainline maybe, but in IF Trainers actually switch pokemon out

[weak trellis]

imo, not frequently unless you're in expert

[full bison]

Gourgeist doesn't get that

[fallen loom]

no Shadow Claw was mentioned before

[full bison]

It's a ghost with arms that end in points, kinda like claws, no Shadow Claw

[fallen loom]

Togekiss is also lacking STAB coverage

[full bison]

Togekiss in mainline really only needs Air Slash TBF

[fallen loom]

maybe Gourgeist can fuse with a mon that has Shadow Claw

[weak trellis]

yea as coverage it isn't super uncommon

[fallen loom]

Charizard gets it apparently as the one non-Ghost Type to get it via reminder

[radiant briar]

Please add in Spheal for Christmas I am begging I can't take much more

Slurpuff is in my hopes are almost dead

[inland jewel]

please add Cryogonal for christmas, its literally a snowflake

[radiant briar]

Bad idea, mine is better, sorry

[inland jewel]

nah, spheal is a 3 line pokemon plus water bloat

[fallen loom]

please add Abomasnow for Christmas, since it's pretty much a Christmas tree

[radiant briar]

Yeah but Cryogonal is awful and boring

[fallen loom]

Cryogonal wishes it could be Glalie

[radiant briar]

TRUE

[inland jewel]

nah, cryogonal gives us ice textures that no other pokemon gives us

[radiant briar]

Regice

[inland jewel]

thats post game

cryogonal would be mid-game

[radiant briar]

Boowomp

[fallen loom]

Cryogonal could wind up being post-game too

[inland jewel]

plus super speedy good

[radiant briar]

Cryogonal is genuinely an awful pokemon though

It's a mediocrely fast special tank, no niche

[fallen loom]

Christmas Pokémon:
Spheal for some reason
Cryogonal
Abomasnow
Minior

[inland jewel]

Fast freeze dry, plus screens

its a menace against water and ground types

[radiant briar]

Bulky pure ice type = bad

[fallen loom]

I mean it means fusions will have "Cry" in their names

[inland jewel]

Cryogonal is a fast ice type though

which is literally the best thing for an ice type

besides its only one side bulk, not bulk bulk in general

its a fast special sweeper

walrein on the other hand is slow, and mediocre bulky

[radiant briar]

Nah

[inland jewel]

the only thing that allows it to stay in is stall, which. unfortunately isn't doing much

[radiant briar]

Walrein has water and thick fat

Also just a more interesting pokemon

[inland jewel]

tbh both mons give moustaches

[fallen loom]

now do Abomasnow

[ornate tide]

If Gourgeists type gets switched around we finally get a bulky Normal Ghost types that aren’t Blissclops

Even though Blissey Dusclops will forever be the certified fat fuck

[fallen loom]

only issue is that Normal Types don't get access to Shadow Claw and neither does Gourgeist

[tacit prairie]

Cryo does give access to Levitate, Recover, some surprising physical moves like Night Slash, Ice Shard and Acrobatics. Still it is pretty bad to fuse with

[ornate tide]

Using gourgeist offensively is crazy

It’s stats are worse chesnaught

And it’s movepool is like you switch out wil o wisp for spikes

[inland jewel]

Cryogonal, weak in the physical department, but good spatk, has access to freeze dry. (which only 5 pokemon has, only 3 of which are in game currently but they can ONLY be acquired via move tutor)

[ornate tide]

If you used chesnaught you would of had spikes

[ornate tide]

Free Kyurem

[inland jewel]

cryogonal heads though give 80 hp, 95 spatk, and 135 spdef

[fallen loom]

ok, I'm on Cryo side

[inland jewel]

even gives 1/3 of its 105 speed stat so at least 30 points

its body side leaves much to be desired, with 50 atk, 50 def, and 105 speed.

[fallen loom]

oof

[inland jewel]

but who wants to make a cryogonal body sprite anyway? (snowflake)\

its face is the most unique thing out there

[ornate tide]

Make Crygonal 135 speed as a IF feature and I would want it in

[tacit prairie]

Sounds like it gets wiped by every priority attack not named Ice Shard

[fallen loom]

IF should change Ice to not be weak to Rock and resist Fairy

[inland jewel]

the fun part is that in fusions, you'll be fusing it to have a type/stats to not be one shot by physical moves

people clowing on it as if they're gonna use unfused cyrogonal

[frank oxide]

IM SO HAPPY RN !!!!

(almost) EVERY POKEMON I WANTED TO BE IN IS IN !!!

[fallen loom]

which are out?

[frank oxide]

of the ones i want we have like dhelmise slurpuff golisopod

[fallen loom]

RN I really want Drillbur, Cosmog, Binacle and Scraggy

[frank oxide]

prob a bunch more i forgot

[inland jewel]

I can be happy my favorite psuedo Kommo-o got in. I now just gotta wait for my other favorites to be in (which make up 3 of the bottom 5)

[frank oxide]

🎲 <-- full of luck

[fallen loom]

of early route mon, who do you think will get in first/last? I think Starly and Bunnelby will get in sooner than later

Watchog could get in because unpopular, though sadly Pidove and Taillow will likely be dead last

Zigzagoon and Poochyena could get in around 600-650

Poochyena maybe even sooner

Gumshoos could also get in sooner than it should due to Trump memes

Pikipek line would make for interesting fusions, but it doesn't seem to be too popular or overly unpopular

Lilipup could also get in sooner than later, due to doggos being popular

[full bison]

If we're going by the votes, the most likely additions seem to be Mienshao and Tropius. Maybe Salazzle too, but I can see staff trying to prolong adding her as long as possible

[rain locust]

get mr shao in here

[fallen loom]

as for the cat... its stats are awful, but it does have some fusion potential

[chilly spear]

Salazzle would make for some great sprites though

[fallen loom]

it's why I think Bounsweet won't be in until around 550-600

[full bison]

Would Prankster Assist be capable of the same nonsense in IF that got the strat nerfed after Gen 5?

[chilly spear]

prankster assist says hi

[fallen loom]

maybe one year votes will be based on unpopular mon and we get the monkeys and Illumise and Volbeat

[rain locust]

prank assist what though

[full bison]

Dive

[rain locust]

you cant assist that

[fallen loom]

slot 488 will likely be Tropius or Minior

[chilly spear]

giratina is in the game so I assume shadow force is

liepard used to be able to call shadow force

but not phantom force, the weaker version

[rain locust]

it cannot anymore

[chilly spear]

assist was weird

[full bison]

The big question to me is whether or not Minior will be one or two slots

[chilly spear]

yeah this was in gen 5

[fallen loom]

Minior could also be another Gourgeist where its core colours are random

[inland jewel]

i feel it'll be like aegislash s one slot

since the only thing that changes is Stats

so far the one that have gotten different dex are [Type changes] Different Abilities,

[ivory rune]

Aegislash just swaps the attack and defense stats, Core minior also has the increased base speed and idk if you can do that with one slot

maybe frog can pull it off but idk

[inland jewel]

its tied to the ability though, just like Aegislash's

so it'll be the Aegislash code of swapping atk/spatk with def/spdef, and then give +speed

until we see a mon where changes are dependant on HP get into the game, we won't know the route for sure that Frogman is going to do

[fallen loom]

except for Rotom

[gilded pagoda]

Not me forgetting about shields down and trying to figure out if the minor colors have different stats

[inland jewel]

thast because rotom doesn't change forms in thsi game

all rotom fusions are just base rotom

[fallen loom]

and that's dumb

[inland jewel]

if rotom-Wash and other forms actually get into the game then that would be a different story

[fallen loom]

the forms have higher BST and lower speed

[hot hamlet]

They don’t l. Just cosmetic

[ivory rune]

I mean Oricorio got all 4 forms in so I think the Rotom forms could work

[gilded pagoda]

I know, I was just confused

[inland jewel]

thast the thing, Rotom was added as a solo mon a long time ago. Oricorio was announced as seperate forms

[hot hamlet]

And that’s why I think Minior sucks honestly. They make it a mystery just to drive home the disappointment of shiny hunting them

[inland jewel]

if you add Rotom forms now, someone has to go back and organize all 1000 rotom sprites

not to mention, all the fusions that are 2 forms in one

like if they combined Mow and Wash

[fallen loom]

if type changing forms (and Lycanroc Midnight) are the only ones to get in, then Rotom should get in at some point

[inland jewel]

People have been arguing that Lilligant "Should" be added since Whimsicott is in

and that petilil is in the game via overworld sprite

but 5 years later nothing of the sort

[ivory rune]

all the current fusions would stay tied to the base rotom, and fusing different rotom forms could be interesting with the exception of maybe the base form

[fallen loom]

so is Musharna

[inland jewel]

yeah, we can wish all we want, but its ultimately up to Frogman to add it or not

[ivory rune]

idk I just think every mon has tons of potential, even the ones you might not think of first

I mean just look at all the super cool neon Bruxish fusions

[inland jewel]

all the stunfisk sprites

[fallen loom]

fusing for Rotom heads could be easy to distinguish based on the eye colour and having a colour outline (since each forms have different eye colour and outlines)

[inland jewel]

again, the minigame is blacked out

they cannot tell via color

but regular fusions yes

[fallen loom]

why does the minigame matter?

[inland jewel]

since that the precedient for why Dusk isn't in

[fallen loom]

some fusions are hard to tell the fusees anyway, like some reference fusions

[inland jewel]

idk, pestering people about it al the time is just gonna turn people off of the idea

[fathom ridge]

I do think blocking some Pokémon for one gym minigame that’s over after 5 minutes is kinda dumb

[inland jewel]

its the minigame which you get masterballs

[ivory rune]

I'm sure you could come up with objects for each rotom form fusion to have that'd be unique from the others

[inland jewel]

and for that you need a perfect score

now imagine you can't get it or the Box upgrade due to rotom forms

some peopel are already running into it via Oricorio

[fallen loom]

then save before doing the quiz?

[ivory rune]

I mean Freeze/Fan could be one of these things

[inland jewel]

its randomized each time

its not the same quiz

[fallen loom]

so?

[fathom ridge]

i didn’t know you could even get renewable master balls… in any case you could block some mons from appearing in the minigame

[inland jewel]

take that up with frogman not me

im just stating whats happening currently in the game

[ivory rune]

to be fair unreadable fusions are already kinda an issue with that minigame lmao

[inland jewel]

but yeah, golden rod guess the pokemon quiz show. If you get a perfect score after the 1st time, you get renewable master balls

[fathom ridge]

You can always cheat and look it up in daena

[fallen loom]

yeah, adding in Rotom forms wouldn't make that much of a difference if it's already hard to tell

[inland jewel]

i mean. complaining about it here is counter intuitive since again. Frogman is the one to decide if he wants to add them or not

he can easily make the announcement and say. "Yep we're finally getting Rotom and Deoxys forms" months in advance to give sprite managers time to organize the sprites

[fallen loom]

I'm trying to be reasonable though

[fathom ridge]

That’s true I think he said there were no plans to add new forms of old Pokémon

[opaque ether]

Man I certainly hope I don't have to wait that long for them. That'd be very unfortunate.

[ivory rune]

ah rip

[inland jewel]

but even with no news like that even when Oricorio was a move to force his hand in it

[fathom ridge]

So anyways, vikavolt, vikavolt, something

[fallen loom]

also I'd be so annoyed at myself for skipping out on forms of earlier added mon, so I don't know how Frog can stand it

[inland jewel]

#announcements message

before Oricorio he was a staunch hater of extra forms

[ivory rune]

man we should've voted for spinda

[fallen loom]

huh

[ivory rune]

4.29 billion mons in one

[inland jewel]

now that they're added he is more lenient to pokemon with forms

but still wont add them unless voted on

[fallen loom]

Spinda would likely be RNG forms like Pumpkaboo

[inland jewel]

since Oricorio: Mod pick
Lycanroc: Winner vote
Necrozma- Community Vote
Meloetta- Winners Raffle

notice how none of them were Frogman's choice

the two mons that were Frogman's choice:
Deoxys
rotom

[ivory rune]

yeah definitely

[inland jewel]

You can argue that Frogman also chose Pumpkaboo, but notice how they don't have extra slots even though they have 3

[fallen loom]

Necrozma was a dumb pick without Cosmog line, since they finally fixed the Regis being added, only to do the same to the SM trio

4

[inland jewel]

Small, Regular, Large

[fallen loom]

XL

[inland jewel]

XL exists?

[fallen loom]

yes

[rain locust]

its called super

[fallen loom]

same thing

[ivory rune]

it'll probably just be the super size tbh

[inland jewel]

he alerady explained that when you find a Pumpkaboo or Gourgeist, it'll randomly be one of the 4 forms

they all still share the same dex slot

[ivory rune]

oh lmao

[inland jewel]

the only changes is stats

so a "small" pumpkaboo will have more speed less defenses

[hard tinsel]

It's in pinned

[inland jewel]

but will still share the same sprite of an XL pumpkaboo

Idk if there will bea name change or anything

[fallen loom]

I think sprites change size depending on the form too

[inland jewel]

so you really have to guess if the pumpkaboo you're fighting is fast or defensive

[ivory rune]

yeah it says the sprite will be automatically scaled depending on the size

[inland jewel]

ok.

[ivory rune]

so spriters dont need to make 4 copies of each sprite lmao

[inland jewel]

i can already imagine a Gourgeist/Kommo-o or Gourgeist/Goisopod whose small is the max 96x96

and then they scale it to Super

[full bison]

Gourgeists get more HP and Attack the bigger they are, so that's a bit of a conundrum in terms of how to fuse it

[fallen loom]

or regular size is the default

[inland jewel]

yeah but regular size is still smaller than Super

so unless they make the default sprite Super

[fallen loom]

I mean keep as regular for base and scale up/down when needed

[inland jewel]

yes i agree with you

but ive seen massive sprites when the "regular" sprite is base 288x288

[fallen loom]

:/

[inland jewel]

so imagine a filled canvas sprite thats even larger than that

[fallen loom]

there needs to be rules for Gourgeist

[inland jewel]

that would be a way to just gut its spriters

i'm saying, the easiest thing to do to not make it massive, is make Super the base 288x288

and then scale it down for the other sizes

[fallen loom]

yeah so start with Super and then scale down for other forms or start at smallest 96x96 and scale up for other forms

[full bison]

Scaling up causes issues sometimes, doesn't it?

Like, making things super pixelly

[fallen loom]

half pixels will likely happen regardless

if it starts at smallest size, Super sized will have less details and vice versa where a load of features will be obscured on small

[fierce zodiac]

Will pumpkaboo have the size differences?

[fallen loom]

we were already discussing it

[full bison]

check pins

[fierce zodiac]

Ah ok

[gilded pagoda]

It would be neat if a sprite looks specifically different between small and super, depending on how the spriter drew it

[hot hamlet]

I wonder if it’ll basically be an equation on the inside that compresses/expands the fusion for all four sizes, or if people will have to make 4 separate versions.
Could be a nightmare for NTM if the former

[trail hull]

No we won’t have to make 4 versions

[fallen loom]

scaled up/down

[tender plank]

it's tirtouga tuesday again!!!
time to actually make a sprite for the occasion bc i'm feeling the flow again

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-19525739

Now I imagined for a Gourdgeist/Gallade fusion

Related to Jack-O from Guilty Gear.

[full bison]

Gonna try my hand at drawing a Delphox/Gourgeist fusion. Any suggestions for details I can add?

[gilded pagoda]

Pumpkin lantern on the wand/staff

[tender plank]

frog you recorded yourself again

[gilded pagoda]

It’s clearly a sign, quick, theorize!

[spice sage]

Maybe I'm doing it on purpose 👀

[inland jewel]

recording voices? Chatot confirmed

[unkempt kernel]

I put a request in for Gourgeist / Gardevoir or Lurantis

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mystery-dungeon-pokemon-loudred-happy-gif-296917953960134813

[molten latch]

Gallade would make quite more sense

[unkempt kernel]

How so? Gardevoir is ther "Waifu" mon, and Lurantis has the pant detail like what Jack-o wears

[molten latch]

But I can see that

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/чатот-chatot-gif-10834860639635916277

[steel meadow]

for some reason i always think this is a gogoat

and freak out

[molten latch]

Because not every Gardevoir are girls nor Gallade are boys

Also, Jack-O is from a fighting game after all

So its not out of place

[unkempt kernel]

I am aware, but i dont think Jack-o uses a blade of any kind, then again i've only really played Elphelt

[unkempt kernel]

I play strive

[spice sage]

Ngl that would be a cool subtle reveal concept lmao

[molten latch]

Maybe

Hmm. . .

Lurantis would make sense because of clothing

[steel meadow]

Everyone knows chatot voice recording stuff was only to A. Scream very loudly. or B. Scream a very bad word even louder

so if frog screamed in that recording then thats chatot confirmed

[molten latch]

And Gardevoir because of . . . You know.

[steel meadow]

woman?

[molten latch]

Probably

[unkempt kernel]

Now the question is, will they do the xrd design or the strive design

[trail hull]

I just made that fusion what do you think?

[molten latch]

Xrd

[unkempt kernel]

Sailor moon birb

[unkempt kernel]

Eh i prefer the strive look