pif-hoenn-discussion

[velvet root]

I have a weird feeling to know the other 8 mons that get in
But I wont tell you guys

[gray vine]

lul no thats really not needed

[bitter comet]

Should I ping the frog and force him to tell us what the missing slot mon is?

[molten latch]

Why would everyone think that Pineco is a pine cone

[gray vine]

thats uneeded spots for the same mon just big

[hollow creek]

I feel like minior could actually happen

[hot hamlet]

Guessing you expect at least one goat?

[gray vine]

the name and the fact its a pinecone

[bitter comet]

Tell us now

[wanton cliff]

adcdfswxzfcgvbhnjkgvuytcr

[hollow creek]

slurpuff was chosen clearly because a lot of people wanted it for a while

[viscid nexus]

I think pineco is a Pinecone and a Bagworm

[molten latch]

Looks like a pine cone, but its a bagworm

[analog stag]

3 burmy, 3 wormadam, 1 mothim and then Volbeat and Illumise because they were dead last in the vote.

[deft obsidian]

Ah yes minior :0

[full bison]

Now seems like a good time to reintroduce this poll

[viscid nexus]

I would unironically love this

[velvet root]

My reason isnt even bad why I think I can guess the last 8

[molten latch]

Ok, I'm fine with that

Still, its a bagworm anyways

[bitter comet]

So what are your guesses?

[tender plank]

i could imagine the 3rd placers of this year to be part of the 9

[spiral musk]

zygarde sneaking in the unlikely tier

[deft obsidian]

The last slots will probably be legendary

[hot hamlet]

Okay, don’t say what you think they’ll be, but give us your reasoning so we can draw our own conclusions

[viscid nexus]

As you can see here, there’s only like 2 bug types I even significantly dislike

I want my bugs

[velvet root]

I wont tell you guys cuz it could tell where I got it from

[analog stag]

Give me steroid bug

https://tenor.com/view/buzzwole-poses-gif-7645556

[velvet root]

The reasoning is pretty straight up and comes from a reaction to a joke I did to a mod

[viscid nexus]

Eugh sorry sorry I have like this phobia of veins and muscles he grosses me out so bad

[fallen loom]

I like doggo form

[viscid nexus]

Same with conkeldurr

[full bison]

I just want Nihilego or Poipole at this stage in terms of UBs, maybe Xurkitree and Blacephalon

[hot hamlet]

My logic is they’re pulling from Pokémon that had a lot of sprites made of them.
Only one not that is Pumpkaboo

[bitter comet]

Why is Vikavolt so far down?

[analog stag]

Buzzwole/Machamp fusions about to the most masculine shit of all time. Should just be Gigachad LMAO

[deft obsidian]

I'm really surprised someone actually like burmy

[analog stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[viscid nexus]

His pre-evos are funnier

[fallen loom]

I want more Gen 5 mon next though

[hot hamlet]

Should I just mention NTM now or…?

[gray vine]

ye your correct had to check

[velvet root]

Also I fear IF I tell you guys it could give problems to that person

[viscid nexus]

I don’t want Pokemon that look cool, I need goobers

[fallen loom]

please add in Scraggy and Drilbur lines

[bitter comet]

Ah understandable

[hot hamlet]

Ice cream!

[full bison]

We have tons of goobers and cool guys, I want more unnerving stuff like Nihilego

[stoic canopy]

No ice cream Pokémon, ever.

[molten latch]

Bruh

[velvet root]

BUT
I can say that I like what we get if it is what I see

[viscid nexus]

Vanillite would unironically be a great addition to PIF

[barren lion]

just a general letdown of a pokémon. It has an awesome design, but it's speed stat really drags it down.

[viscid nexus]

WAIT wrong reply

I meant to reply to ice cream

[velvet root]

And I know quiet some people will be happy

[analog stag]

How about bug mommy Pheramosa?

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-space-pheromosa-pokemon-queen-beast-gif-13973901

[viscid nexus]

Pheromosa would be ok

[bitter comet]

I pray that it will be Malamar

[hollow creek]

Gogoat is actually happening

[viscid nexus]

I like her

[gray vine]

ew nah

[full bison]

Rule 2 heck

[bitter comet]

Or the silly electric leach

[deft obsidian]

Mommy?

[twin phoenix]

Tynamo?

[hollow creek]

Cool colors but its literally just a chick

[bitter comet]

Or anything else on my list

[stoic canopy]

I just want seedot.

[molten latch]

Spheal

[coral axle]

I’m literally so excited rn

[analog stag]

It wouldn’t be any worse than Meloetta

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/blacephalon-gif-19140126

[hot hamlet]

Alright. Time to dive away for another hour or so.
Can’t wait for a BILLION new thing s to develop in that time

[twin phoenix]

Gothitelle, come home please..

[hollow creek]

I dont like blacephalon at all but shit it'd be cool for IF

[bleak niche]

Hi

[tender plank]

hello

[full bison]

Meloetta doesn't have a dex entry that specifically mentions it has pheromones that get people attracted to it

[deft obsidian]

Hi

[fallen loom]

did you know that male cockroaches have bigger wings and that only male mosquitos suck blood? That means Pheramosa is male and Buzzwole is female

[viscid nexus]

I mean, if we get an ultra beast…

I’m tempted to say Blacephalon or Xurkitree

[ember bear]

but pheromosa doesn't either

you are thinking about salazzle

[hollow creek]

GOOD. Buzzwhole is GIRLBOSS.

[analog stag]

They’re literally aliens.

[bleak niche]

#fusion-bot Pikachu

[viscid nexus]

I think they are both genderless. Nonbinary even

[rain locust]

#fusion-bot Pikachu

[analog stag]

They don’t go by earth logic lmao

[velvet root]

My theory only has 1 problem
Its 8 pokemon and 9 slots exist

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/belch-gif-26675594

[hollow creek]

Anaconja what are the competitive implications of gourgiest in infinite fusion

[deft obsidian]

Ub is less likely, you all think they add 3 or 4 UB and leave others for 2030?

[molten latch]

Guzzlord might have a chance

[viscid nexus]

We could get a single stage

[silk narwhal]

What the fuck

Speak of a curveball

[full bison]

Yes it does. the official website at one point said so

[velvet root]

Furfrou or Minior sound likely

[full bison]

What do you think the "pherom" in "Pheromosa" comes from?

[viscid nexus]

Furfrou would be INSANE

[analog stag]

Minior, Monkes, Volbeat Illumise is the remaining 9.

[ember bear]

it's just a clean freak

[deft obsidian]

Or maybe next pokemons will be from rifle? Like golisopod and slurpuff

[velvet root]

I mean Furfrou is THE Customization pokemon
And we get THE customization update

[full bison]

"But its most distinctive features may in fact be its beauty and its powerful pheromones. Most any creature that squares off against Pheromosa becomes confused, as if struck by the beast’s beauty, and loses the will to fight. It is still a subject of research, but it’s thought that Pheromosa may possess some sort of organ able to produce a pheromonal substance previously unknown to science. "

[deft obsidian]

That actually make sense

[ember bear]

breh where are you reading that

[full bison]

It's part of the extended UB lore in SM Proper

[viscid nexus]

Imagine we just got chatot

[weak trellis]

gen 7 continuing to show why it is the closest we'll get to an official fangame rofl

[ember bear]

oh ok i found the source

[bitter comet]

I personally think the missing slot mon is minior. Just look at the banner that we got for the 500k members…it has stars on it!

[weak trellis]

(positive or negative)

[full bison]

Again, why else would the name outright contain part of "Pheromone?"

[ember bear]

i have never heard of that before wtf

[bleak niche]

#fusion-bot Gardevoir / Greninja

[rugged temple]

chosen of the spinner
Claydol cope

[full bison]

but yeah I mostly wanna see Nihilego cause few other Mons offer the sheer Uncanny Valley factor that it does

[ember bear]

another carbink!

[fallen loom]

IF number of non-fused types:

75/131 Water Types (57.25%)
60/101 Flying Types (59.41%)
59/112 Normal Types (52.68%)
55/97 Grass Types (56.7%)
47/84 Psychic Types (60.71%)
47/66 Poison Types (71.21%)
46/64 Ground Types (71.88%)
42/61 Rock Types (68.85%)
41/64 Fire Types (64.06%)
39/46 Dragon Types (84.78%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.35%)
37/44 Ghost Types (84.09%)
34/49 Steel Types (69.39%)
28/49 Electric Types (57.14%)
28/47 Fairy Types (59.57%)
26/48 Dark Types (54.17%)
26/56 Fighting Types (46.43%)
20/34 Ice Types (58.82%)

[proud lion]

#1290366660510875771

[rugged temple]

It's either Claydol or all the capitol letters spell something out

[full bison]

there's only 34 pre-gens 8-9 Ice types? Jeez that type's neglected

no wonder most of them are trash

[fallen loom]

yes

[ember bear]

if only there were good ice types to add

[fallen loom]

I mean Alolan forms add 4 more, but I don't see them being added

[ember bear]

cryogonal is fast ig

[round gale]

They're finally here! Slurpuff gang we won! 🍬 🎂 🧁

[velvet root]

IF I could decide 9 Pokemon I would like in the update it would be
Furfrou
Eelektross line
Vikavolt line
Gogoat line

[fallen loom]

Walrein gives Thick Fact to Ice Types IG

[ember bear]

mamoswine

[fallen loom]

Mamoswine is in

[ember bear]

yeah

and it has thick fat

[barren lion]

sadly won't be the case until gamefreak decides to get their head out their ass.
Why give a type you want to be tanky so many damn weaknesses... that I'll never know...

[full bison]

Now that we have Slurpuff, I'd like to offer an alliance with the Slurpuff Squad to from the Mienshao Movement

[fallen loom]

what I want:
Cosmog line
Scraggy line
Drillbur line
Minior

[full bison]

Scrafty could give us a nice punk aesthetic we don't really have

[fallen loom]

yeah

[ember bear]

oh there's another gap

could that be the a myth

[fallen loom]

Minior over Diancie?

or the other way around

[bitter comet]

Pretty based

[analog stag]

I really wouldn’t mind them being added with their own dex slots.

[fallen loom]

me too

[full bison]

I'd wanna see Excadrill added alongside a sand rush fix

[ember bear]

it could get complicated to tell the difference between forms

[fallen loom]

plus a load of lines got separated prevos between Talonflame and Stunfisk

[ember bear]

but then again oricorio exists so idk

[analog stag]

Not really, most of the alolan forms are pretty different

[spice sage]

A bit more information about pumpkaboo/gourgeist and how it will work in-game. Its different forms will not use different sprites (don't want to force the poor spriters to make 4 versions each time ), BUT the sprites will be scaled in-game depending on the form it has (and it will have the corresponding stats changes as well)

[fallen loom]

Alolan Forms should be treated as different Pokémon though IMO

[velvet root]

I KNEW IT

[full bison]

Do they only take up 2 slots?

[ember bear]

peak

[hollow creek]

YESSS

[ember bear]

nah 8 slots trust

[velvet root]

NOONE BELIEVED ME

[hollow creek]

Ok thats super cool cause the gourgiest sizes are a fun thing

[fallen loom]

WHAT?! So we get RNG based on stats of them?!

[analog stag]

Oh god

RNG stat pumpkins

[bitter comet]

Tell us who the missing slot mon is

[opaque ether]

Oh, well then. Two more lines are in. How many total slots are there now? Think 11?

[outer matrix]

I wonder what the scaling percent would be for the pumpkins (like 10%, 30%?)

[fallen loom]

I wish Frog would go back and add in forms we don't have though, I don't care if Rotom Fan is #777 or something

[full bison]

Quick reference to anyone who wants to make Pumpkaboo fusions ingame, smaller forms are faster so are better as bodies, but bigger ones have more HP so are better as heads

[dusty arrow]

ou cool, gourgeist and slurpuff

[fallen loom]

they won't take 8 because it wasn't listed as that, I think you just get RNG stats

[sleek hornet]

HA YES

[bitter comet]

There’s a missing one stage slot mon… so you know what that means…

Ice type Magikarp might be added

[dusty arrow]

THE ICE TYPE MAGIKARP IS REAAALLLL

[fallen loom]

ok, so why do Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist get different IDENTICAL forms, but Lycanroc Dusk was left out?

[sleek hornet]

T-T

[fallen loom]

Frog is a hypocrite

[ember bear]

gourgeist is just size and slightly different stats

[barren lion]

Will add that due to Gourgeist's heavy focus on atk and def stats, when it evolves, go with body no matter the size if one goes for stats above appearance

[ember bear]

dusk is a form with different abilities, design and even moveset i think

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/one-pice-gif-26834018

[spice sage]

They're not. THey still have the same dex slot. Lycanroc would've had to have its own

[opaque ether]

Just make Midday and Dusk the same. Their stats are nearly identical, their movepools are nearly the same, and Midday already has some of Dusks's sprites by default. Just give Midday Tough Claws.

[sleek hornet]

Prepare for cool and creative fusions with these two!

[fallen loom]

and Speed and Attack were changed a bit from Midday

[outer matrix]

wait so 488 is unknown?

[ember bear]

nah unown is already in

[opaque ether]

Midday Tough Claws would be a great compromise.

[bitter comet]

I would say give midnight tough claws. He doesn’t have a lot of stuff for him I believe.

[spice sage]

||also lycanroc dusk is just kinda lame all around||

[fallen loom]

not the same because there's no Tough Claws and Dusk got Counter and another move

[opaque ether]

Its not about buffing one over the other. Its about simulating having Dusk in the game. And Midday is the closest to that.

[full bison]

Clearly Dusk isn't getting added because the superior Tough Claws user will be added instead

[fallen loom]

you would say that

[sleek hornet]

||I say midday is p lame too imo, dusk is slightly less lame. ||

[bitter comet]

Man, once he gets added, we will all die due to his ugliness

[opaque ether]

But Tough Claws though.

[proud lion]

Bro's shiny tryin to be

[opaque ether]

I get why Dusk wasn't included. It just sucks losing Tough Claws.

[ember bear]

yeah uglyness not of old age because it will definitely be added soon 🔥

[fallen loom]

Everyone: But Tough Claws!
Frog: offline

[sleek hornet]

He was like yeah bye

[tender plank]

jus give tough claws to midday lol

just for luls

[proud lion]

Frog: How about I offer you a barnacle in these trying times?

[full bison]

Nice argument. Unfortunately, 105 Att +2 Att +2 Spe Tough Claws Razor Shell Crit

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/binacle-barbaracle-pokemon-anime-gif-1843617017963443781

[ember bear]

hey barbaracle wouldn't be that bad

[sleek hornet]

Barbaracle when T-T

[bitter comet]

Man, I usually like having fusions that look good

[fallen loom]

I'd want Barnacle over Drillbur TBH

[bitter comet]

I don’t care about stats or power

[sleek hornet]

Same tbh

[analog stag]

Rotom forms and alolan forms should absolutely be added to the dex.

[proud lion]

I did a fusion of them a while ago

[bitter comet]

I’m just biased because I have Drillbur nostalgia

[full bison]

exactly, and that's why we need Barbaracle over Dusk

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

[bitter comet]

That is true. I do think he would look better than dusk.

[humble lance]

9 remain

[analog stag]

Yes I want sprites of multiple mons as lawnmowers

[sleek hornet]

I mean look at them

[fallen loom]

whenever I request that stuff, everyone says no because Rotom appliance sprites are in-game as completely random fusions that are just alt sprites

[full bison]

I think giving Rotom the Appliance stats would've been a good compromise

[analog stag]

It’s so shit. They all have different types and stuff

[fallen loom]

I also requested that

[opaque ether]

Okay Frog, if you giving Midday Lycanroc the Tough Claws ability just isn't in the cards, adding in Poochyena and Mightyena will make up for it : )

[bitter comet]

||I personally think that’s one of the only reasons why a lot of people want him added tbh ||

[fallen loom]

Right???

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/excadrill-pokémon-excadrill-iris-pokémon-iris-drill-gif-26936287

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeah Iris’s drilbur

[fallen loom]

also Deoxys forms too

[full bison]

I'm mostly just kinda upset that we skipped having 11 slots so the UB dream is ded unless they're added individually

[analog stag]

We WILL campaign for Stakataka to win the vote next time

[fallen loom]

Gourgeist forms yes, Rotom, Dusk and Deoxys forms no

[analog stag]

Give me a stack of bricks

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-gif-2755355121120415411

[full bison]

Giratina-O too

[analog stag]

I wanna see people try to make fusions of this thing

[sleek hornet]

Who doesn’t want a stack of bricks :3

[fallen loom]

has same stat distrubution and types as Altered

[coral axle]

Stakataka body would be cursed

[molten latch]

Lego Pokemon

[full bison]

uhhh, no?

[ember bear]

erm the ability is different

[sleek hornet]

Especially with dem eyes. 👀

[hollow creek]

It would not be as difficult as you think

[ember bear]

also offenses and defenses are swapped

[analog stag]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-funny-sus-two-gif-15643120895231733942

[fallen loom]

I'd say less worth it than the rest I listed

[bitter comet]

But pumkaboo forms are not getting extra slots, rotom forms would require extra slots and I think frog wants to focus on adding whole new mons right now

[molten latch]

Please be Spheal

[hollow creek]

people have already done sandshrew fusions with intricate brick textures

[glass patio]

WHAAAAAAT LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[molten latch]

For Christmas

[opaque ether]

Still holding out hope these two are part of the remaining nine.

[glass patio]

I JUST SAW ANNOUNCEMENTS

[humble lance]

oo spheal for christmas would be awesome

[glass patio]

OMFG

[fallen loom]

oops

[humble lance]

pair spheal with minior for new years lol

[bitter comet]

all I want for Christmas is a ball

[analog stag]

Ok who would make a Jake the Brick sprite for Stakataka/Rockruff?

[sleek hornet]

Why yes! The pumpkin and the SLUUUUUUUURP!

Prepare for cool arse fusions

:3

[ember bear]

oh right slurpuff and sharpedo fusion will be a thing

[full bison]

My kingdom for Nihilego/Poipole

[ember bear]

op

[molten latch]

Indeed

[analog stag]

Slurpedo

[humble lance]

no

[sleek hornet]

Stop :/

[inland jewel]

Gotta wait for Courages’s updated template

[fallen loom]

OK, add these forms:
Giratina O
Dusk Lycanroc (or Tough Claws)
Deoxys Defense, Attack and Speed
Rotom appliances

[humble lance]

fr those "jokes" are just gross and very inapropriate for a server with kids in it

[autumn radish]

So, while it's nice that Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist are there... I honestly didn't expect Swirlix and Slurpuff to make it, despite losing the raffle (like how Golisopod made it despite not making it in the other votes).

I think i lost the plot out of confusion.

[bitter comet]

Don’t forget the different forms of aegislash

[fallen loom]

oh yeah

[trail hull]

okay so made swirlix fused with diglett and they look funny

[fathom ridge]

Pretty goofy guys

[ember bear]

meh the ability already works fine for it

[sleek hornet]

I honestly glad Gourgiest and slurpuff are in tbh. Because I love those two, not my favs but I like em.

[full bison]

Clearly this means Mienshao is next because it was next in the votes after Jangmoo, Pod, Bink, and Puff, right?

[inland jewel]

So what if the rest of the mons are from the winners vote

[full bison]

right?

[trail hull]

slurpuff with diglett is already in the gallery

[bitter comet]

We can only hope/cope

[ember bear]

if anything being able to fuse aegislash with a bulky mon and swapping stats makes it more interesting

[analog stag]

Skibidi Pellipper fusions

[fallen loom]

But TBF, that was always just a battle form (then again, didn't stop Necrozma)

[outer matrix]

aria or pirouette meloetta for pumpkaboo?

[fathom ridge]

There is a gap between greninja and slurpuff of two Pokémons, so there are 8 slots + a two stage or two single stage lines

[humble lance]

anyway i got one of the pokemon from my list

[bitter comet]

Based list

[inland jewel]

Necrozma got a different type in Ultra form

[fathom ridge]

Me too

[velvet root]

I expect Eelektross

[inland jewel]

Aegislash doesnt

[fallen loom]

yeah that too

[bitter comet]

That would be nice

[velvet root]

My theory of what gets in would make you happy

[coral axle]

I think Eelektross, Tropius, and Salazzle could be fun

[sleek hornet]

I want eelektroos and Vikavolt SO BAD T-T

[coral axle]

Oh of course minior too

[inland jewel]

So far it’s been consistent across the board that different types got a dex slot

[fathom ridge]

Show the list!

[trail hull]

guys 488 might be furfrou

[ember bear]

aegislash is just better of the way it is

[fallen loom]

hmm, so Scraggy could be next?

[fathom ridge]

So far my list has been somewhat accurate, idk if anyone expected pumpkaboo

[velvet root]

My theory is
Eelektross line
Vikavolt line
Gogoat line

and a single stage likely Furfrou

[full bison]

I just want Nihilego, Poipole, or Mienshao. I'll be satisfied with just Mienshao, but I'll always want my UB friends to have their day

[orchid flume]

I could dig Furfrou. Rather Stoutland or Mightyena, but doggo's are great.

[sleek hornet]

I would like to see Sraggy get in, cause I love scrafty.

[coral axle]

I suppose I can make a list of what I want

[fathom ridge]

There is a gap between greninja and slurpuff that could be the goat

[full bison]

Pokemon that could feasibly get the terrain surges without being Tapus would also be ince

[bitter comet]

Pretty based

[fallen loom]

what I want:
Nebby line
Binacle/Drilbur line
Scraggy line
Minior/Diancie

[fathom ridge]

UB will probably come a few together

[sleek hornet]

Where can I make that list of what I want?

[coral axle]

^^

[glass patio]

ight gamers these reveals are very epic i wanna do shedinja/gourgeist line and slurpuff/shedinja

[fathom ridge]

You can use the tierlist that’s pinned here

[hot hamlet]

I just want Ice Cream and Goat. In that order. Those go in and I won’t care what else comes along

[sleek hornet]

great Tysm!

[mystic crystal]

The downside to being a big slurpuff advocate. Literally every slurpuff threads opened back up 😅

[fallen loom]

unless you like Comfey and Clamperl

[fathom ridge]

I wanna make slurpuff/bisharp and give it a chocolate bar as a shield

[full bison]

Maybe the UBs can still come in a group if it's just the 7 initial ones, but Blacephalon seems the most popular so that probably won't happen

[glass patio]

the first thing that came to my mind with shedinja is whipped cream halo

[sleek hornet]

That’ll be sick ngl! :3

[fallen loom]

save the UBs for 666

[fathom ridge]

Idk probably next year

[fathom ridge]

Yummy

[humble lance]

hm maybe i should replace salandit and salazzle since its pretty much confirmed that the mods dont wanna deal with salazzle fusion sprites
lets see what else is on my list

[ember bear]

nah that's vivillion

[fallen loom]

Vivillon got changed to 690

[velvet root]

Cant wait for the moment with Gogoat

[glass patio]

For gourgeist line i got the idea of making the pumpkin look like shedinja’s head and the rest of it could be colored like shedinja’s halo so it’s like a spirit or smth

[velvet root]

I dmd you

[fathom ridge]

I would tell you to put vikavolt but uh, you can’t really

[velvet root]

[humble lance]

OH WAIT

ok

either

solrock and lunatone

[glass patio]

i’m really happy with these reveals, not minior but still very hype

[humble lance]

or

kricketot and kricketune

[full bison]

Kricketune would be neat for instrument fusions

[analog stag]

The depth of options for foodmon nuzlockes/playthroughs is about to get so big.

[humble lance]

fuck
zangoose and seviper would also be cool tho

[fallen loom]

Scraggy reveal next and we get a punk meuseum with sandcastle fusion

[humble lance]

mm
actually theres no fighting types on my list

[full bison]

mienshao?

[humble lance]

croagunk and toxicroak would be cool

[fallen loom]

so what will be the Halloween mon next year?

[inland jewel]

I thougth Meinshao was ranked higher than Scraggy

[bitter comet]

Hopefully not Malamar because he will be added this year, hopefully

[fallen loom]

is Cacnea in?

[full bison]

yup

[fallen loom]

if not that Cacturne works for Halloween

nm

Malamar it is

[outer matrix]

baroness von bon gardevoir when?

[fallen loom]

or maybe a spider with Dewpider

[bitter comet]

*If he’s not added this year

[fathom ridge]

The next Mon will be t revenant for Halloween

[bitter comet]

I can’t believe revenant is being added for Halloween next year!

[fallen loom]

lol

[humble lance]

mightyena would be cool for next halloween ig

[fallen loom]

true

[glass patio]

#announcements message k so whos gonna make this a slurpuff/pumpkaboo?

[humble lance]

or drapion?

[bitter comet]

wereyena

[humble lance]

oh yeah true
werewoof

[fathom ridge]

T revenant actually

[bitter comet]

I feel like the reveal would have something to do with the person revealing being bitten

[bitter comet]

Why are they adding T revenant without adding all of the lettered revenants before it?

[humble lance]

or they could go for the creepypasta reference with bronzong and hell bell

[bitter comet]

That would be sick honestly

[fathom ridge]

Idk double standards I guess

[velvet root]

I can see Spritzee for next Halloween cuz of costumes

[humble lance]

oh yeah and plague doctor mask

[fathom ridge]

What’s hell bell :0

[humble lance]

creepypasta

i havent read it in a long time so idr if its safe to link here or not

[fallen loom]

Possible Halloween picks for next year:
Mightyena
Vullaby
Malamar
Yveltal
Seviper

[fathom ridge]

Ribombee could kinda fit for Halloween

[fallen loom]

how so?

[fathom ridge]

It has honey and honey is sweet

[bold atlas]

so, how quickly did someone make a pumpkin spice latte joke

[inland jewel]

If this list is true

We're getting Tropius and Meinshao next

[pure flower]

Wonder when there will be a sprite for Lurantis/Groudon, the opposite of Groudon/Lurantis.

Also Tropius would be amazing

[fathom ridge]

There is also this list

[pure flower]

Meinshao and Lurantis would be such a fun fusion too

[humble lance]

id prefer toxicroak for a new fighting mon tbh

plus that means we'd get two frog lines in one update

[fathom ridge]

No disrespect for tropius, but how did he get as many votes as golisopod

[pure flower]

Just dug up the old stats I calculated a year ago for the Lurantis Groudon Fusion

[inland jewel]

Spriters have been pushing for this man for 2 years now

[humble lance]

the people demand bonana

[fallen loom]

Gen 3: 69/135 (51.1%)
Gen 4: 63/107 (58.9%)
Gen 5: 45/156 (28.8%)
Gen 6: 34/72 (47.22%)
Gen 7: 20/88 (22.73%)

[humble lance]

rip gen 5 and gen 7

[fathom ridge]

There is also the types percent chart

[fallen loom]

39/46 Dragon Types (84.78%)
37/44 Ghost Types (84.09%)
46/64 Ground Types (71.88%)
47/66 Poison Types (71.21%)
34/49 Steel Types (69.39%)
42/61 Rock Types (68.85%)
41/64 Fire Types (64.06%)
28/47 Fairy Types (59.57%)
60/101 Flying Types (59.41%)
20/34 Ice Types (58.82%)
75/131 Water Types (57.25%)
28/49 Electric Types (57.14%)
55/97 Grass Types (56.7%)
47/84 Psychic Types (55.95%)
26/48 Dark Types (54.17%)
59/112 Normal Types (52.68%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.35%)
26/56 Fighting Types (46.43%)

[unique flame]

i think frog listenned to my hallowen argument and release punkaboo because his not anywhere on both lists

[full bison]

TBF it is the largest Pokedex and 6 of those are the monke squad

[humble lance]

tbf those two gens are also the ones without starters in the game so

[fathom ridge]

We need vikavolt it has the two most underrepresented types and comes from the most underrepresented gen

[fallen loom]

Gen 7 second smallest though

[fallen loom]

Bug and Fighting? Lol

[fathom ridge]

I didn’t read

[unique flame]

8 mons left

[fallen loom]

9

[full bison]

I feel like the safest bet on an addition is Victini considering it's perfect for #500

[fathom ridge]

There is also a gap between greninja and slurpuff so that makes it a little harder for 3 stage mons

[humble lance]

rip salazzle

[unique flame]

why 9 if we are in 492 now

[fallen loom]

491

[unique flame]

am i missing something?

[fathom ridge]

Punchy frog is better than naughty lizard

[humble lance]

rood

[fallen loom]

488 isn't listed

[humble lance]

lizard has cool palette

[fathom ridge]

The gap is only one Mon?

[fallen loom]

yes

[inland jewel]

Pokemon types based on how many are in game

75 Water
60 Flying
59 Normal
55 Grass
47 Poison
47 Psychic
46 Ground
42 Rock
41 Fire
39 Dragon
38 Bug
37 Ghost
34 Steel
28 Fairy
28 Electric
26 Dark
26 Fighting
20 Ice

[fathom ridge]

Damn I’ve been speeding misinformation on the internet

[fallen loom]

you took mah jerb!

[inland jewel]

we truly need to push for the Fighting and Dark type agenda

[unique flame]

SCRAFTYY

[humble lance]

ah yeah theres no 488

[dark prism]

I wonder who 488 will be

[humble lance]

minior hopefully

[dark prism]

oh everyone is already talkin about that lmao

[fathom ridge]

You would think that having only 20 ice types it would be terribly underrepresented but we have like 58% of ice types

[dark prism]

minior would be cool

[clear lichen]

Oh hey, Slurpuff got in

[full bison]

Holding out for a Nihilego moonshot

[clear lichen]

Nice

[unique flame]

a legendary? i hope not

[clear lichen]

We need Ribombee in so that Slurpuff can learn Sticky Web

[dark prism]

would be odd to slot in a legendary there imo

[fathom ridge]

Is diance, Minior or tropius

[clear lichen]

Also people like Ribombee anyways I'm sure it's fine

[humble lance]

i think its more likely that #500 will be the legendary

[dark prism]

prolly

[full bison]

#500 would prob be Victini

[fathom ridge]

Cute bee

[humble lance]

no
id prefer xerneas and yveltal as 499 and 500

[inland jewel]

I hope its not victini

[humble lance]

wait

no

[unique flame]

is 488 a number pun for something in english?

[clear lichen]

If 500 is Victini people would start coping about the unova starters being added next

[humble lance]

500 as diancie

[dark prism]

not that I know of

[fathom ridge]

Probably

[fallen loom]

I'd rather the SM box Legendaries, since Necrozma is already in

[humble lance]

carbink without diancie feels weird
they need to be reunited

[fallen loom]

also Tropius is 100% going to be 488

[fathom ridge]

But then how is the mysterious single stage on the gap

[clear lichen]

I'd rather the SM box legendaries because I really like Lunala

[unique flame]

they would not release they separately

[clear lichen]

Imagine having an actual reason

That isn't "I want it :)"

[fallen loom]

Necrozma IS in separately

[humble lance]

i wouldnt mind either tropius or minior for 488
both are fun

[unique flame]

its spinda guys

[coral axle]

This was fun to make

[velvet root]

Y

[humble lance]

i think most people would want minior first tho

[fathom ridge]

They are part of the same evo line tho

[unique flame]

it came to me in a dream

[fallen loom]

popularity poll

[coral axle]

Logo is covering up Pyroar and Purugly

[fallen loom]

it got 4th place

[clear lichen]

Are you sure it'd be spinda and not uhhh

[dark prism]

if it's a gen 6 mon for 488, the only single form option left besides legendaries and mythicals is furfrou

[clear lichen]

Uhhhhhhhh

[wraith otter]

Bro Hoopa Unbound would be so badass just imagine the damn fusions

[clear lichen]

Ice type Magikarp 🥶

[coral axle]

I really want hoopa unbound

[fathom ridge]

Ice type magikarp is 488

[fallen loom]

you mean Dedenne?

[dark prism]

I forgot dedenne lol

to be 100%

[humble lance]

anyway i am so excited for all the slurpuff fusions to finally get into the game
theres so so many great fusions already made

[clear lichen]

Don't be 100%, that's Gen 7

Be 50%

[fathom ridge]

Getting a pikaclone would be kinda weird imo

[dark prism]

yea I don't think I'd want a pikaclone there personally

[fathom ridge]

@willow axle

[willow axle]

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[fathom ridge]

Only 16 colours

[clear lichen]

"Incomprehensible, may got have mercy on your wretched soul"

• The bot, probably

[fallen loom]

7 Dragon Types left:
Druddigon
Zygarde
Dragalge
Turtonator
Drampa
Guzzlord
Naganadel

7 Ghost Types left:
Frillish + Jellicent
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

[fathom ridge]

Reuniclus gets a lollipop or legs

[dark prism]

now I wanna see the slurpuff body fusions

[fathom ridge]

There is only one common ghost type left wtf

[kindred widget]

No way

[dark prism]

the jello look is clever, I like that

[fallen loom]

yeah, poor jellyfish

[dark prism]

yeah tbf there aren't many ghost types out there

as for dragon types we have just been spamming those so

[queen stirrup]

Anyone else notice the jump between the dex numbers of wimpod to pumpkaboo and slurpuff?

[fallen loom]

1

[dark prism]

ye we've been discussing 488

[fathom ridge]

Kommo o

[dark prism]

and what it could be

[clear lichen]

Friendly reminder that Solosis line are canonically poisonous to others

[fathom ridge]

I’m still kinda mad at democracy even if kommo o is kinda cool

[fallen loom]

at least Kommo-o is Fighting

[dark prism]

we get fighting types out of it so I'll take it

[wraith otter]

Man I feel like Kommo o gets too much hate

[humble lance]

we need him

[fallen loom]

me too

[wraith otter]

Like I geniunely like the design and think it looks so damn cool

[inland jewel]

its only getting hate because last year, over half of the slots that the "public" voted for were dragon types

[dark prism]

Kommo-o is a popular mon I think people just have dragon and pseudo legendary fatigue

[wraith otter]

A 4x weakness does suck but its a cool typing tbh

[inland jewel]

so this year when it was revealed that only one line for "public" to vote for and it was a dragon type

[dark prism]

which is completely understandable

[humble lance]

lol i think its also cuz its just a design thats hard to work with too

[fallen loom]

I mean TBF, there are only 7 Dragons left and I doubt we'll get more this time

[inland jewel]

also a mix of spriters don't like complicated mons

[dark prism]

tbh you're not gonna want to be in against mons with fairy coverage with him anyway so I never thought it was all that bad

[inland jewel]

next year we see Drampa

[clear lichen]

46 Ghost types (including NDW)
46 Dragon Types (Including Ultra Necrozma)

[fathom ridge]

Too many dragon types smh, dragalge is cool tho

[dark prism]

I do genuinely want skrelp and dragalge

after that im chillin

[clear lichen]

Up to Gen 8 btw

[fathom ridge]

Like we didn’t even get the cooler dragon

[clear lichen]

Gen 7 typo

[ember bear]

i wonder how good a fighting dragon would have been before fairies were made

[dark prism]

ikr

[fallen loom]

NDW?

[steep marlin]

Oh my goodness I'm SO excited. Pumpkaboo and Slurpuff are being added!

[ember bear]

dusk wings

[clear lichen]

So whoever is saying that Ghost is fine because it is rare, Dragon is equally rare

[wide merlin]

9 pokémon missing now

[steep marlin]

[ember bear]

or was it dawn wings

[fathom ridge]

Halloween coming early to IF

[ember bear]

nvm it was dawn

[inland jewel]

um. Duskmane Dawnwing aren't in the game

[clear lichen]

In fact Dragon is arguably rarer due to having more Dragon types

Legendaries

My brain is dysfunctional

Help

[ember bear]

dragon has more dragon

[clear lichen]

That's because I'm listing all Ghost and Dragon types up to Gen 7

[ember bear]

peak

[fallen loom]

I want Scraggy line PLEASE

[clear lichen]

Including Pokemon that aren't in the game yet

[unique flame]

we will have a rush on halloween for punk-a boo

mark my words

[clear lichen]

Or we'll listing the number of Dragons and Ghosts

[ember bear]

i mean it sounds kinda early for that

[clear lichen]

If you hate Dragons for being too common but think Ghost is fine because they're already rare, maybe stop deluding yourself plsthx

[fathom ridge]

Honestly having a sweets theme contest is a no brainer with this new mons

[ember bear]

i think people already started making sprites

[fallen loom]

Second most complete type lol
14 Ice Types left:
Vanillite + Vanillish + Vanilluxe
Cubchoo + Beartic
Cryogonal
Bergmite + Avalugg
Spheal + Sealeo + Walrein
Snover + Abomasnow
Crabominable

[clear lichen]

I did exclude regional forms iirc, since they won't be added

And didn't count a Pokemon twice if it had a mega/gmax

[ember bear]

out of these only cryo and cubchoo could be decent, maybe vanillite line

too

[fathom ridge]

Abimasnow would be cool

[clear lichen]

Remember to not spread misinformation on the Internet

[unique flame]

people can finally do my contest entries (they are already claimed)

[ember bear]

nvm forgot about abomasnow

[fallen loom]

I don't count until they're in TBH, though who says the regional forms won't make it? To me they're enough their own Pokémon to get slots sometime

[unique flame]

inst he already in the game?

[ember bear]

nope

only hail setter is aurorus

and delibird but that's a custom ability

[clear lichen]

I saw a shitton of people claiming they won't get in for coding reasons, as well as for Guess the Fusion

It could just be misinfo on the Internet though

[ember bear]

im willing to believe they have more chances than gen 8 and above pokemon

[fallen loom]

that's kind of dumb since head fusions will usually have different colours or certain features will be different to Kantonian forms, also how would they be hard to code in? Alolan forms should just be their own Pokémon and not some form change

[clear lichen]

Might have miscounted Ghost types?

I'm checking rn

[inland jewel]

the precident is that they have similar forms via body/heads to their regular counterparts so in guess the fusion its impossible

and lycanroc- dusk is that precident

[fallen loom]

body forms could have more elemental features... or you know, be Alolan Exeggutor

[clear lichen]

Yeah mb there's actually 1 less Ghost type than Dragon, this obviously means I'm wrong and Dragon is a common type and Ghost is rare, mb (/s)

[inland jewel]

not in autogens, or some sprites

and in guess the fusion its completely blacked out

so you cannot guess via color

only outlines

[fallen loom]

"Can never be added because minigame would be impossible"

[inland jewel]

Its his game so he gets to decide

we can complain all we want, but he can also easily just abandon this project

[fallen loom]

some custom fusions look nothing like either mon

[rain locust]

Froggers!

[clear lichen]

Yeah at the end of the day he gets to choose what to do, and if he decides Aggron should get Quiver Dance and Oricorio shouldn't we can't do anything other than complain

That still makes no sense to me, it never will

[fallen loom]

also a lot of quadrupedal Pokémon look similar anyway, like Ninetales and Absol body fusions via outlines

Aggron gets Quiver Dance???

[clear lichen]

I saw someone say it's because Aggron was quad weak to Ground but imo quad weak to Rock is far worse

[clear lichen]

Only here

Via TM

[ember bear]

peak

[clear lichen]

I'd quiver a lot more if I knew that switching in means I am instantly half dead at best no matter what

[ember bear]

i mean aggron is also weak 4 times to fighting too

[inland jewel]

the guess the fusion game does give pokemon names

But if yu get Lycanroc
Lycanroc
Lycanroc

[stoic canopy]

Aggron has the def to eat an quake and keep on going though

[inland jewel]

and you see an outline that looks like it could either be Dusk or Midday

and get it wrong

[fallen loom]

if I were Frog I'd make a documentation on why X forms aren't allowed in, while others are without contradicting myself or saying stuff like "my game, not yours"

[clear lichen]

See, Aggron can swap out on its weaknesses

Meanwhile, Oricorio'a quad Rock weakness haunts it eternally

And if it dares touch the field, it will suffer

[fallen loom]

yeah

[clear lichen]

That said only one form is quad weak to rock but it also gets Quiver Dance in Gen 9 so like

[ember bear]

should make stealth ground a thing 🔥

[clear lichen]

No

[ember bear]

(even tho spikes are already that type)

[fallen loom]

I mean Sensu and the other ones aren't quad weak to Rock

[clear lichen]

^

That guy who left because he hated Nintendo a shitton kept saying "Oh but Oricorio doesn't get Quiver Dance in Gen 7" And neither does Aggron

[fallen loom]

remove Quiver Dance from all mon except butterflies/moths

[clear lichen]

Real not clickbait

[ember bear]

rip bellossom and liligant ig

[clear lichen]

Ribombee L

Pheromosa doesn't really give a shit though

Tbf Ribombee doesn't either

[fallen loom]

fuse them with butterfly/moth

[clear lichen]

When are you seeing Ribombee or Pheromosa use Quiver Dance

[ember bear]

idk whatever the hell is masquerain

[clear lichen]

According to Wikipedia, it is a moth

I fr said wikipedia

And not bulbapedia

I am truly big brain

[ember bear]

eh close enough ig

[clear lichen]

All of the base game moths in SV can be found in Area Zero

Just a nice little fun fact

[fallen loom]

Slither Wing is having a par-tay and all its friends are invited

[clear lichen]

Does Iron Moth count as a moth

[fallen loom]

yes

[clear lichen]

Like is it a robot made to look like a moth

[fallen loom]

dude, Moth is in its name

[clear lichen]

Or is it a cyborg moth

[clear lichen]

It is but if it is fully a robot it isn't technically a moth

It is a cyborg though that changes things

[ember bear]

iron moth
not steel or bug type

peak

[clear lichen]

Well, the primordial creator of land is weak to ground

[fallen loom]

Slither Wing should have been the first Bug/Dragon

[clear lichen]

So it's not the strangest thing out there

[clear lichen]

I still don't get that sentiment a bunch, I mean it'd make more sense than Bug/Fighting but that really only shows how much Bug/Fighting doesn't make sense

Tbf, I'm OK with it not making sense, I'm not sure if it is supposed to make sense

[fallen loom]

the dino tail looks like a Dragon Type though

[clear lichen]

I'm mildly sad that Slither Wing doesn't get Victory Dance

It'd be hilarious

[trail hull]

made all the missing digletts

[fallen loom]

what about Slurpuff evo?

[trail hull]

it's already in the gallery because I made it before carbink got announced

[stoic canopy]

Pumpkaboo should have it’s stem in the ground still

[trail hull]

?

[half needle]

i fell asleep and missed the reveal

oml

anyway THIS IS MY BEST CASE SCENARIO

[trail hull]

we got a double reveal

we got the trick and the treat

[half needle]

im gonna go see what the pory riddle was anyway

[stoic canopy]

You can have the digglet fusion be a Pumpkaboo still planted into the ground.

[trail hull]

one I don't understand what you mean and 2 body or head?

[half needle]

fuck u can totally tell its pumpkaboo from the hint lmao

[pallid spindle]

The Halloween designs for the pumkaboo line will go hard

[half needle]

the one day i fall asleep after getting home

well tbh its because it was cold so it wont be the first

[fallen loom]

Pumpkaboo is better than Trevenant from last year

[spiral musk]

that was fast

[velvet root]

I mean he needs time to sprite Goats

[spiral musk]

guess team diglet need to stay at the top

[fallen loom]

I remember when Team Beedrill and Team Togekiss were a thing

[ember bear]

what happened

[trail hull]

Diglett are easy

I made over a 100 of them so I know

[opaque ether]

And the 'Yenas

[fallen loom]

[trail hull]

I want to do a pumkaboo body for gogoat line

[velvet root]

Yenas are awesome

[velvet root]

Will be sick

[trail hull]

Thank you

[opaque ether]

You are awesome.

[velvet root]

Thank you ^^

[hot hamlet]

Overgrown pumpkin vines shaped like a goat head?

[hushed mantle]

THEY FINALLY ADDED SLURPUFF I CAN DIE IN PEACE

[hot hamlet]

Not until you can enjoy the cake puppy in game and experience all the diabetes yourself?

[velvet root]

Now Focus on Gogoat

[hushed mantle]

Nah im eating pumpkin too so it's okay because it's fruit

[autumn radish]

I honestly get confused about the pumpkin being a fruit or a vegetable.

[odd current]

meow. < (i haven't been keeping track of PIF in a hot minute glad they finally added pumpkaboo)

[stoic canopy]

It’s like how it grows and where it seeds are

[odd current]

mrow. < (last halloween they added trevenant instead for some reason)

[autumn radish]

To be fair, Trevenant can be scary, and could be a good one for stories about lumberjacks being kidnapped or unalived by trees as a revenge for treating nature like it's garbage.
Thought, something tells me that Gougeist would receive the same treatment as Trevenant, an event to reach many sprites involving the pumpkin pokemon.

[odd current]

meow. < (trevenant is very the beast from otgw core)

[austere sand]

Gourgeist is going to be average size, right?

[odd current]

mrow. < (they should include all of the forms of gourgeist so you have to make different fusions for all of them /j)

[austere sand]

Also, too bad Slurpuff doesn't get sticky web in gen 7.

[austere sand]

Oh snap that's hot. Wonder how the scaling will work🤔

[clear lichen]

It does, via breeding with Ribombee line

At least according to Bulbapedia

This is a chain breed though, since Ribombee itself doesn't get Sticky Web

Well, outside of breeding

[austere sand]

Probably going to be like how Oricorio "gets" quiver dance, then.

[sinful smelt]

Bru pumpin like he's going for 1000

[hot hamlet]

Google says fruit because some scientist in Texas says “anything edible that starts as a flower is a fruit”
Which is… a take alright

[ember bear]

isn't that basically what fruits are

[deft obsidian]

Can we get much higher?

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure they don't even need to be edible to be considered fruits

Well to humans

[hot hamlet]

“scientifically speaking, a pumpkin is a fruit simply because anything that starts from a flower is botanically a fruit.”

[clear lichen]

To be specific, fruits are a developed flower ovary, which have the purpose of spreading speeds in a multitude of ways

Pumpkins are in fact fruits

[hot hamlet]

As opposed to veggies which just pop out of the ground

[clear lichen]

Unless you want to argue that Watermelons aren't fruits

[unkempt stone]

Slurpuff got in after all

Good to know those sprites aren't getting wasted

Also I remember

Isn't Gourgeist and Pumpakoo Trevenant and Phantump's counterparts?

[ember bear]

yeah

[clear lichen]

There's also an important distinction between being botanically a fruit and culinarily (that is almost definitely not a word) a fruit

[unkempt stone]

Spooky halloween fusions

I'm for it

[hot hamlet]

Watermelon is in The same family. Is botanically a fruit, but taxed a veggie. Like Tomato’s

[clear lichen]

In culinary people just kinda go "oh this is sweet so it is a fruit" etc

TLDR: Scientifically, Pumpkins are fruits, but for some reason we just can't be consistent between culinary and botanically

Now we have stuff like walnuts not being nuts and strawberries not being berries

[hot hamlet]

YES! If I wasn’t stuck until Sprite Repo returns I’d probably get together a Halloween themed team.
As is, I do have a costume party one I’ll do near the actual day if we’re fixed by then

[clear lichen]

Lovely

[ember bear]

wait people call watermelon a veggie?

wtf

[hot hamlet]

Tax purposes

Idfk

[gray vine]

ye pizza is a vegetable aswell

in america, i dunno exactly what state tho

[hot hamlet]

Grown and harvested alongside other veggies. Oklahoma’s state veggie etc

[gray vine]

also for some tax stuff i think

[hot hamlet]

NO IT ISN’T

PIZZA IS A GRILLED CHEESE

with tomato

[gray vine]

what if you remove the cheese

[hot hamlet]

Then it’s a hot tomato soup

[gray vine]

you dont eat your pizza with a bottom?

[hot hamlet]

What?

[gray vine]

the dough

did ya forget that

[ember bear]

bread disk 🔥

[hot hamlet]

You never had soup in a bread bowl?

[unkempt stone]

All of these slurpuff fusion sprites are reminding me of that one rom hack where all the pokemon are desserts

[gray vine]

pizza isnt a bowl

thats a calzone

[hot hamlet]

Depends. We talking NY or Chicago?

[unkempt stone]

Believe it's Pokemon Sweets Edition or something

[gray vine]

im not american

[hot hamlet]

Chicago is a deep dish pizza. May as well be a bread bowl

They also are weird since they put the cheese on the bottom

NY 4 Lyfe

[ember bear]

huh

the hell is going on there

[hot hamlet]

Pizza

[ember bear]

why would they even put cheese on the bottom

[fair atlas]

I just have one question - and this is probably already answered - do we know how they're gonna handle Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist's different sizes?

[hot hamlet]

Chicago Pizza is weird

[ember bear]

like it's just so gross

it would stick with whatever surface you place it

[hot hamlet]

They make high-walled dough, then cheese, then a lot of sauce, then toppings, topped with Parmesan

[unkempt stone]

I think I remember eating deep dish pizza

[ember bear]

oh not on the bottom bottom

[gray vine]

since i see it alot in like cartoons, is your pizza very wet? like i see alot when characters pick up a slice half the shit just goes down, i dont like my pizza when all the toppings just fall to the plate, i like when its stuck on the slice

[weak trellis]

probably just going to have one size and use Normal form's stats

[ember bear]

nvm ig

[unkempt stone]

I remember it being quite good

[stoic canopy]

Based on stats, it’ll be bigger or smaller based on its stats

[hot hamlet]

Think a pie crust with cheese as the layer right above the dough

[ember bear]

yeah that makes more sense than what i thought initially 🔥

[hot hamlet]

That is a proper made NY slice. Thin, foldable, and gooey (oil content depends on who made it)

[gray vine]

aslong as the stuff says on i dont mind gooey but the moment it just all falls down nah get me an actual pizza

[hot hamlet]

I’ve had some that’s straight up Orange from the oil. It’s a dry, but can’t eat too much without getting sick. Others have very little if no oil sheen

[hot hamlet]

Then just wait a minute for the stuff to solidify. Normally if it falls off it just came straight from the oven

[gray vine]

mmh true tbh never did wait. mostly cause during work breaks dont have that kinda time

[hot hamlet]

Fair

[gray vine]

i should try that, when i buy some soggy ones again

[mellow estuary]

PEAK GOURGEIST

[half needle]

there's still 8 more slots too this feels like christmas

2 slots for skitty and delcatty, and 6 more slots for ice type skitty

[fresh salmon]

Let's be honest about ice types:

In game there is Cloyster, Dewgong, Jynx, Lapras, Articuno, Mamoswine, Weavile, Delibird, Glalie, Froslass, Aurorus and Regice

Not sure if I'm missing any

I'm overall skipping pre-evolutions btw

[half needle]

forgot glaceon and kyurem

[humble lance]

wanted a visual

heres last years too

[prime dust]

hm, so there's at least 1 single stage mon in the new line up

[humble lance]

minior

[glass patio]

minior

[glass patio]

lmao

[humble lance]

its either minior or tropius

either way im down

[ember bear]

or a mythical

[mystic crystal]

I think torkoal would be neat too

[hot hamlet]

Torkal, Drudigon, Drampa

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

i only stand for one flag

[humble lance]

where my old tierlist thing for cresselias slot lol

ayyyy

lemme just erase a few

[abstract fox]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1290412719534641274 This is why I was hoping for Gourgeist

[half needle]

minior supremacy

[hot hamlet]

I feel like a troll answer would be Carnivine. Or Comfey just to keep up the 6/7 takeover currently going on

[half needle]

someday you will escape the non-if folder my beauties

[inland jewel]

I think the single stage should be from Gen 4 or 5

[gilded pagoda]

miniorrrrr

[glass patio]

please

[half needle]

skadoosh

o rite i need to update it

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-just-mention-the-774th-pokemon-from-gen-7-minior-pokemon-alola-generation-7-gif-16750175270661220119

[barren lion]

minior/sableye?

[glass patio]

monkes 💀

[humble lance]

there we go
488 tierlist

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[glass patio]

also emolga’s missing but it’s just another pikaclone

[prime dust]

that is how forgetable it is

same with marcactus

and furruo, and comfey [but comfey isn't on the template thing]

[barren lion]

which is odd, because it is one of the more unique ones with its part flying type, compared to other pure electric pikachu clones.

[glass patio]

You can’t even spell its name right that’s how forgettable it is

[prime dust]

exactly

[fresh salmon]

Emolga tbh would be the best Pikaclone outcome for me

[glass patio]

my fav pikaclone is morpeko

[barren lion]

i certainly remember it from the hell it gave me in g5 during the electric gym.

[glass patio]

but thats gen 8

[fresh salmon]

The flying squirrel thing would be good fusion material

[glass patio]

damn i rember that gym i struggled with it

[fresh salmon]

For Togedemaru's round body there's Spheal

[glass patio]

until i got a trapinch

[autumn radish]

Honestly, i would replace Pachirisu and Chatot with Alomomola and Ludvisc. Especially Ludvisc because... Come on, unless the game buffs it to an usable state, what's going to do?

[glass patio]

and flygon became my fav dragon ever since

[fresh salmon]

Also if possible I'd prefer Skwovet rather than Pachirisu

[humble lance]

actually nvm rearranged a couple more

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-menacingly-spongebob-standing-there-gif-19452999

[fresh salmon]

Chatot could be original with the music theme

Tbh I just enjoy unique fusion material mons, I don't give a fuck about competitive

[glass patio]

ima just do it like this
SSS+++ minior
idk where to put the rest
FFF--- luvdisc

[fresh salmon]

Also wouldn't Alomomola or Luvdisc fusions just be similar to Stunfisk but pink?

[glass patio]

uhhh pikaclones f tier ig

[half needle]

guys is this right?

[barren lion]

luvdish and alomomola automatically gets f-tier because they should be an evolution line and I refuse to show them any love until this is fixed.

[fresh salmon]

At least Bruxish has the fang thing going on

[half needle]

stunfisk is flat horizontally and luvdisc is flat vertically

[fresh salmon]

Well yeah

I wouldn't maybe mind Alomomola getting in

[half needle]

id prefer luvdisc to alomomola

[inland jewel]

Alomomola is goated, stalling phyiscal attackers in gen 9 OU is crazy

[glass patio]

Pretty sure the placements r correct, idk if there’s smth missing

[fresh salmon]

But not Luvdisc, Luvdisc is just objectively worse Alomomola

[half needle]

thanks

luvdisc is heart themed and alomomola is just a pink mola

[fresh salmon]

Alomomola still has the heart shape

And looks like an evolution to Luvdisc

[half needle]

yeah but people arent gonna use it in heart themed fusions

[inland jewel]

what was Alomomola supposed to be the clone of in gen 1?

[fresh salmon]

Throh doesn't look as a Hitmonlee evo, Audino as a Chansey evo or Bouffalant as a Tauros evo

[half needle]

imagine alomomola is the convergent evolution of luvdisc

[humble lance]

which types do we still need more of
fairy, electric, dark, fighting, and ice?

are those all of them?

[barren lion]

we have those, it is called regional forms.

[inland jewel]

they are the lowets per species yes

[half needle]

do you genuinely not know about convergent evolutions??????????

dude have you been living under a rock

[fresh salmon]

Gen 5 just did a lot of "reboots" to older gen Mons but Alomomola looks like a straight up Luvdisc evo

[half needle]

look at this fuckin thing

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say alo/luv I feel is a better representation of convergent evolution than what gen 9 used the term for

[barren lion]

"Convergent evolution is the independent evolution of similar features in species of different periods or epochs in time"

THat doesn't make sense

[half needle]

finally someone agrees

[weak trellis]

which were "regional forms but we need a few more pokedex entries to pad the dex out so gholdengo can get to #1000"

[barren lion]

it isn't an fossil pokémon

[fresh salmon]

Could work like that

[half needle]

bait used to be believable

[inland jewel]

luvdisc and alom doesn't need to be evolutions of each other

[half needle]

i like toedscruel :(

[weak trellis]

like I don't mind any of those mons (even if wug misses the point that dugtrio's only good for arena trap lol) but I still see them as regionals

[fresh salmon]

They could have made Iron Crown/Boulder and Raging Bolt/Gouging Fire base game though

And that would have resulted in the same slots

[weak trellis]

yea that line's pretty good not knockin them there

[barren lion]

only way to make them relevant beyond heart-scale farming tho.

[half needle]

i think convergent forms are a fun idea

cause its a real thing in animals

[inland jewel]

Alom doesn't even carry heartscales at all

[weak trellis]

I could see it if they had completley different stats but all 3 of them are type swaps of their counterparts

[barren lion]

so only luvdisc is useful for something then. Alom is just a waste of oxygen and bio-matter.

[fresh salmon]

Luvdisc and Alomomola could be an example of that but then there's some gen 4 evos like Rhyperior, Dusknoir or Magmortar

[half needle]

i just think he's neat

[inland jewel]

Alom has an insane amount of HP, which makes it really good with Wish, has regenerator, and overally a great stall set

[fresh salmon]

If Remoraid can evolve into Octillery, Luvdisc can evolve into Alomomola

[weak trellis]

if anything it feels like some regionals have more variation stats-wise than that (stunfisk's and quagsire/clodsire both come to mind)

[inland jewel]

All luvdisc is is just... be fast.

none of its other stats are any good

[weak trellis]

also yea alo has that huge 165 HP stat

[inland jewel]

it can't even survive a turn for Hydration to work

[fresh salmon]

ik about the "beta used to be gun/tank thing" but these are no longer their designs

[weak trellis]

while luvdisc's main advantages are "higher speed" and "it came first"

[barren lion]

all the more reason for Luvdisc to evolve into Alomomola

[inland jewel]

Nah, Luvdisc ain't gonna get 104 hp out of nowhere

[dusty arrow]

water/steel octillery evo

[inland jewel]

the only way I'll accept Luvdisc going into Alomomola is if there is a middle stage to connect them

[tender plank]

oh god i WISH

[inland jewel]

but a straight jump from Luv to Alo. no way

[barren lion]

plenty of pokémon get insane state-changes upon evolution. Magikarp gets 115 atk power in one evolution

[dusty arrow]

ok but thats like

magikarps whole gimmick

same with feebas

[dusty arrow]

also make octazooka compatible with mega launcher

[barren lion]

and g5 was basically trying to recreate g1 in a new setting with new mons, so it fits

[inland jewel]

yeah but it doesn't shift from being a special attacker to a phyiscal attacker

Luvdisc has its stats more to the special side, while Alom's attack and def stat are way over the other

[barren lion]

and magikarp switched from a speedy weakling with no defenses and no offensive capability to a high-hp, high atk, high-sp def bruiser with only +1 extra speed. Pokémon also changes stat-focus upon evolution

[simple gulch]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1290413058807697519 new mon new buff

[inland jewel]

name evolution that is such a drastic change

literal 100 spattacker to 100 physical attacker

[hot hamlet]

I may need to note this for a Halloween Run (if I do one next year)

[simple gulch]

what about this year

[hot hamlet]

Wait MACHAMP??? What happened to Choke?

[simple gulch]

its done 100

[hot hamlet]

Well my race got delayed by Sprite Repo, so I can only do my costume party run if it comes back around the holiday

[hot hamlet]

No please!

https://tenor.com/view/nope-octopus-scurry-gif-5636346

[hushed mantle]

Pretty sure larvesta does something like that

[inland jewel]

Switch from a physical attacker to a bonafide special attacker?

[hushed mantle]

Yep

[inland jewel]

Nice, you win this one

[barren lion]

Magikarp. (already went over this)
Larvesta (goes from weak atk focused pokémon to powerful special attacker)
Wimpod (highest stat was 80 speed. It's evolution has 40 speed and 125 attack, 140 def)
Feebas (10 sp atk, it's literal weakest stat, to 100 sp atk)
sry it took time and someone already mentioned larvesta

[inland jewel]

thanks for taking the time

ima double check them

[dusty arrow]

also the deino line

zweilous has 85 attack and 65 special attack, and then evolves into something with 125 special attack compared to 105 attack

[barren lion]

was considering mentioning all the pseudo-legendaries and Cosmog, but that felt like a cheap 'gotcha' moment

[inland jewel]

checking them.

Larvesta and Magikarp do fit in what I mean of completely switching sides

As for Wimpod- It was already had Atk/Def as its higher stats in its base form

It would have fit if the Atk/Def of Wimpod was lower than its SpAtk/SpDef

but now im not totally against the idea

i still think its better if it had a middle stage to transition it better

or a mon that evolves from either Alom Or Luv

[grim anvil]

SWIRLIX
Me very happy
I'll try to make a couple sprites but idk it's gonna hurt or not cause
dealing with tendonitis

[silent acorn]

...

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK YEAAAAAAAAAAAH

NOW I CAN DO THE CHURRO RUUUUUUNNNNN

[copper geyser]

how/when does mime jr learn mimic?

[tidal ridge]

Oh shit swirlix AND pumpkaboo?

Sickkk

[fossil gull]

Swirlix was inevitable

[haughty stratus]

when will the kalos starters be added???

[full bison]

when the update drops

[haughty sky]

I love the reveals, although I'm still hoping for Skitty and Delcatty to bring me back to spriting

[full bison]

Skitty and Delcatty will probably take a while considering those 2 are pretty under-the-radar due to their stats not being super good, also it's competing with Spheal in the cuteness department

[sick edge]

SLURPUFF YEAHHHHHH

[haughty sky]

Yes, but consider: cat

[full bison]

allergic

so I'm not gonna be convinced myself

maybe others tho

[haughty stratus]

when is the update is it anounced yet?

[gray vine]

no