pif-hoenn-discussion

[dusty arrow]

i dont like iron jugulis because its iron jugulis

[ember bear]

what bird

[dusty arrow]

fuck iron jugulis

[steel meadow]

iron bundle

it has funny cannon

[ember bear]

mehhhhh

[full bison]

I like how it took the majesty of Suicune and turned it vicious

[clear lichen]

There are definitely exceptions to the uncreative thing

[steel meadow]

I really like the volcarona one that i cant remember the name off

[clear lichen]

Roaring Moon is not one of them, bro is literally just Mega Mence with feathers

[full bison]

Slither Wing

[dusty arrow]

slither wing

the silly fucker

[clear lichen]

That said, Roaring Moon is peak

[dusty arrow]

i love him

[clear lichen]

Because Mega Mence is already cool

Don't get me wrong

[ivory rune]

Iron Jugulis is kinda uncreative but I guess I'm like the one person that likes the name lmao

[clear lichen]

The Paradox Volcaronas are peak

HOWEVER

Volcarona no diffs

[ember bear]

iron moth
looks inside
no iron no moth

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/slither-wing-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-27570359

[full bison]

I'm still upset we didn't get a Gigantamax-based Future Paradox.

Giant robots are epic

[clear lichen]

Volcarona is already peak you can't improve upon perfection

That's my only complaint with the Paradox Volcaronas though

[ivory rune]

future paradox gmax kingler, giant crab robot would be so peak 🙏

[dusty arrow]

i love sandy shocks

[steel meadow]

I dont think slither wing is a improvement but its a nice remix

[dusty arrow]

one of my favorite pokemon

and it has a really nice shiny

[steel meadow]

sandy shocks is a bit funny to me. therefore i like it

[clear lichen]

I respect it honestly

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sandy-shocks-magneton-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-theworguy-gif-27323440

[clear lichen]

Idk I just feel like Sandy Shocks is the most paradoxical of the paradoxes

I have some explanation written somewhere

[full bison]

I like Slither Wing cause it's such a cool way to turn a special attacker into a physical one. Makes me wonder how Alakazam and Machamp would be designed if their stat specialties were reversed

[clear lichen]

I'm too lazy to find it

[dusty arrow]

alakazam just has knives instead of spoons

thats it

[steel meadow]

also he t-poses

[dusty arrow]

yes

[ember bear]

instead of 4 arms machamp has a 4 head

[steel meadow]

i wish they did stat swaps like this for new forms more often than just buff stat

[dusty arrow]

machamp gorgon but instead of snakes its just more machamp heads

[stuck bane]

Forgot to update the tier list chart as well, 69 slots from alola remain:

[dusty arrow]

do we have a gorgon pokemon other than tangela and tangrowth-

[steel meadow]

what the hell is a gorgon

actually google

[dusty arrow]

medusa

[ember bear]

medusa

[dusty arrow]

medusa is a gorgon

[clear lichen]

Do those even count as gorgons?

[dusty arrow]

i mea im pretty sure its a small bit of tangels design with the vines n shit but

thats about it

[steel meadow]

i guess tangela is it

[ember bear]

no snakes tho

[clear lichen]

Do we have a kangaroo that actually resembles a kangaroo

[steel meadow]

we have kangaskhan and breloom

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-tangela-pokemon-silly-love-gif-3169648420033709581

silly

[steel meadow]

i dont know if any of them are actually kangaroo like tho

[clear lichen]

Kangaskhan's ass does not resemble a kangaroo

[ember bear]

yk that made me think of something

[clear lichen]

The most kangaroo part of Kangaskhan is its name

[steel meadow]

mfer got the stupid kangaroo pouch, therefore kangaroo

[ember bear]

they should totally make a new status effect, which is basically freeze but rock type

[dusty arrow]

all marsupials have that iirc

[clear lichen]

I've seen people say Breloom resembles a kangaroo a lot

I dont see it personally

[steel meadow]

Yeah i honestly dont see it either

Breloom is my favorite pokemon and he isnt a kangaroo to me

He is funny dino shroom to me

[clear lichen]

Tbf I guess it wouldn't be fun if it resembled the irl creature too much

[white meadow]

There's 13 more Pokemon to be added right?

[steel meadow]

thats like the point of pokemon most of the time

[ember bear]

yeah

[steel meadow]

base the pokemon on an animal and try to mask it as best as possible

[clear lichen]

Some of them are extremely vague

[proud lion]

Correct

[full bison]

I'm convinced we're getting Gourgeist considering Spooky Month is around the corner and there's a decent amount of slots left

[clear lichen]

Some could be identified from a mile away

[steel meadow]

and some of them are just gogoat

[ember bear]

and then you get flamigo

[full bison]

And Toucannon

[clear lichen]

I kinda respect it for being an extremely early game mon with a usable moveset, decent stat spread, good type and, most importantly, 500 MOTHERFUCKING BST

[velvet root]

Kangaroo raptor

Or pachycephalosaur

[steel meadow]

flamigo is really fun to use

[steel meadow]

yeah this i see

[ember bear]

don't forget the totally balanced™️ ability

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pachy-pachycephalosaurus-dinosaur-fighting-head-gif-17281024

[full bison]

I saw a clip of Flamigo one-tapping the Titan Orthworm and that sent me

[steel meadow]

a stylized pachyreokdoawsaur or whatever u called it

[clear lichen]

Now that you mention that

I'm realising it's not just stats

Flamigo has really good MUs against the titans

As well as the first 2 gyms, kinda dies against Iono a bit though

And Giacomo

[stuck bane]

I could see a gourgeist reveal, but if it works as we predict it’s gonna have to be bonus slots beyond 500 cause 8/13 slots being taken by gourgeist is way too much. Unless they only add 1 size

[full bison]

It'll absolutely be one size

[stuck bane]

Ok which one

Medium?

[full bison]

We'll get nothing by adding a bunch of forms that are just "Gourgeist but slightly bigger"

[steel meadow]

I feel like getting to pumpkins could work

the baby and the mega

[clear lichen]

You'll get different stats

[rancid nymph]

Honestly, I regularly forget that Goirgist has different sizes

[clear lichen]

That's about it

[stuck bane]

We get stats, but I agree all sprites should apply to all sizes

[tender plank]

that sounds fair enough

[clear lichen]

Gonna try to keep my sleep schedule normal so I'm sleeping now gn yall

[steel meadow]

gn latios

[tender plank]

gn

[velvet root]

I see frog adding the sizes but not as extra dexes

[full bison]

Only Frog knows for sure what size Gourgeist would be used. But I sincerely doubt we'd be getting all 4

[stuck bane]

Like if pumpkaboo and gourgeist are idk 491 and 492, then frog makes 6 “blank” slots at 1001-1006 just to hold the other sizes stats

[dusty arrow]

i died for a lil bit, oops

[full bison]

We didn't get Dusk, and 4 Gourgeist sizes have even less reason to exist than Dusk

[silk narwhal]

Pachycephalosaurus ain't that hard to spell

[steel meadow]

no its not that hard its just pachyjdwaidjawosaurus

:]

[velvet root]

There is worse too

[silk narwhal]

How about bistahieversor

Or micropachycephalosaurus

Or ugruunaluk

[dusty arrow]

archaeoptyrx

[steel meadow]

i like t.rex

[silk narwhal]

Or kurupi itaata

[dusty arrow]

ankylosaurus better

[silk narwhal]

Concavenator corcovatus

[velvet root]

Huehuecanauhtlus

[steel meadow]

actually archeopteryx is alot of fun in ark

[dusty arrow]

"say goodbye to your kneecaps chucklehead"

[silk narwhal]

Eustreptospondylus

[steel meadow]

and the weird raptor with the funny toe

[ember bear]

"big lizard"

[velvet root]

Euclocephalosaurus

[marble meadow]

shiinotic would be nice

[velvet root]

I dont know that dino

[steel meadow]

I will take all the mushroom pokemon

for some reason i like them

[velvet root]

Yi qi is easy to remember

[silk narwhal]

Or minmi

[velvet root]

True

Carnotaurus is a easy one too

imo

[steel meadow]

dude the people jojning to talk about pokemon are so confused rn

Tyrantrum is super easy too

[dusty arrow]

gigantspinosaurus (its a stegosaur)

[velvet root]

Tyrannotitan is nice

[silk narwhal]

Megamonstrosaurus

[steel meadow]

i dont know if yutyrannus is real but they're best dino

after breloom

[dusty arrow]

i wonder if he was big

[velvet root]

Nigersaurus

[silk narwhal]

I think there's some debate

[rancid nymph]

I want the Unova fossils so that all the (pre Gen 8) fossil Pokémon can be in the game

[silk narwhal]

Nanuqsaurus is real

[steel meadow]

gen 7 had fossils?

[dusty arrow]

[silk narwhal]

I'll try listing as many tyrannosauroids as i can

[dusty arrow]

no

[full bison]

Alola didn't have fossils

[steel meadow]

I thought i had another grandpa moment right there

[full bison]

Cause Hawaii is super new from a planetary perspective

[steel meadow]

zygarde was my favorite fossil from alola

[silk narwhal]

Nvm i just had a brainfart

I can list every JoJo Stand if you want

[dusty arrow]

why do i hear the free bird solo in this image

[velvet root]

[velvet root]

Do extinct elephants

[high haven]

The og pog

[dusty arrow]

helicoprion

[full bison]

The majestic Poggophants

[velvet root]

Platybelodon

[dusty arrow]

why does he have buck teetn

teeth*

[velvet root]

Cuz swamp

[dusty arrow]

the anancus go hard

[velvet root]

My beautyfull baby

[dusty arrow]

what was the giga komodo dragon again

[velvet root]

Megalania Priscus

[flint tiger]

What about Hala? Ain’t he kinda old?

[velvet root]

or prisca?

[dusty arrow]

shout out to megalania

[flint tiger]

[velvet root]

I forgot

The Grass/electric starter from our fakemon region

[dusty arrow]

TERROR BIRD MENTIONED

[velvet root]

Wrong

Dromornis mentiond

[dusty arrow]

big bird mentioned

i want to use it

wait

what is its speed stat

[velvet root]

Gimme a sec

[flint tiger]

I created a robot grass gorilla once

[trail hull]

okay just made this for wimpod tiem to do golisopod

[flint tiger]

Long before SwSh

[velvet root]

HP 104
Atk 75
Def 100
SpAtk 110
SpDef 75
Speed 76

[dusty arrow]

i wish it was a fast physical attacker

(bolt beak )

[velvet root]

He is sound based

[dusty arrow]

ohh

[trail hull]

I'm glad goli broke the curse

[dusty arrow]

what about the fire and water starters

[ornate tide]

Kill cooldino first fr

[trail hull]

my hopes from most to least likely:
gogoat
spheel
baltoy
purugly
vanilite
luvdisc

[velvet root]

My beloved Komonium
Ground/Poison
Abilitys:
Dragon Blood (basically dragon type stap)
Corrosion
HP 115
Atk 120
Def 100
SpAtk 70
SpDef 60
Speed 75

[dusty arrow]

goes hard

[steel meadow]

spheal has better chances than goat i think

[velvet root]

He also has a own move

[dusty arrow]

whats the signature move

[velvet root]

Corrosious Bite
85Power 100acc 10 PP Physical Poison Type
User Bites the opposide Pokemon and injects a corroding Venom that can destroy steel that has a chance on Toxic.

Move ingame describtion
The User Bites with a corrosive Bite. Its Strong against Steel Types.

Effects:
10% chance to Toxic a opponent
Super effective against Steel
Makes Contact

Pokemon that can learn it:
Komonium

[dusty arrow]

i need a fangame with these now

[velvet root]

Imagine someone would work on it

👀

[marble meadow]

u know why cant gf just change freeze into frostbite again

[flint tiger]

I have a few too, but they’re paper drawings

[dusty arrow]

ferrothorn is absolutely quaking in their boots

[flint tiger]

[velvet root]

Same for Burst form Torterra

[dusty arrow]

woah-

[flint tiger]

bro you should have led with that

[velvet root]

He can also learn all cool protection moves
aka Protect, Spikey shield and King Shield

[dusty arrow]

i could see this as an aggron/torterra

[flint tiger]

though while the tree is part of torterra, I’d prefer it without

[dusty arrow]

the tree looks too much like mega venusaurs though

[velvet root]

Its a fern tree cuz that trio is based on prehistoric animals

[fleet quail]

I just found a perfect image not just for a base, but a Bisharp/Golisopod fusion.

[stuck bane]

I’m sure a base has already been made, people love goliso

[flint tiger]

What do you think that could be a fusion of, if it was in the game?

[fleet quail]

Doesn't look like it, so I might have potential for something

[stuck bane]

Torterra bastiodon comes to mind at a glance

[fleet quail]

Marowak/Torterra

[steel meadow]

I hope gasmaskblacky makes a golisopod base if they havent yet

that persons custom bases are goated.

[velvet root]

The trio

[velvet root]

Aggron/torterra def

[stuck bane]

Oh so it’s like a legends arceus thing where each starter is from another region

[velvet root]

Feraligatr is a Kapro swamp puppy

[velvet root]

Yes and no

[velvet root]

You have fakemon starter
And after gym 1 was it I think you have to help one starter trio from 2
Thats the prehistoric trio

The other is Emboar, Blastoise and Sceptile

[velvet root]

Only 2 designes exist

[stuck bane]

Crafty shield?

Baneful bunker

[velvet root]

maybe

[velvet root]

Probably as egg move

[steel meadow]

it looks like it got baneful bunker

[flint tiger]

Sounds like a good idea

[velvet root]

Or tutor
IDk

[stuck bane]

Ah good old power creep

Nothing is unique forever

I can’t wait til Gastly gets shadow force

[steel meadow]

i like that this island has just a bunch of fusions named after animals

[velvet root]

Its a bunch of animals cosplaying as fusions

[steel meadow]

(sry i wont spam more now :3)

[stuck bane]

Hmmmmm that could be a good argument, as long as the name works you can get it at that island. Time to scour the whole unova dex again

[steel meadow]

the sprites doesnt seem to have been updated in ages

was just a bunch of weaklings from gen 1 mostly

[hexed agate]

Durant gives -ant as the body

[steel meadow]

does anyone have a prefix that works for ant?

[stuck bane]

Leaf? Fire?

[steel meadow]

Leafant? from leafeon and durant

not sure what uses fire tho

[silk narwhal]

School barely just started and I'm already drawing half the time

[hazy fable]

cool #artwork

[silk narwhal]

Oh shit

[hazy fable]

xD

[silk narwhal]

Wrong channel my bad

[steel meadow]

we still enjoyed it here

[hazy fable]

yep its still cool

[silk narwhal]

Good to know lol

[trail hull]

#1285285707342151843

decided to do some digletts without the eyes or nose of diglett

[steel meadow]

i like them

nice little moles

[flint tiger]

What if the Golisopod had little arms poking out of the water?

Like some hands just rising out of the water

[dusty arrow]

i return chat

[mild pine]

7

[steel meadow]

wait they actually put unova in to this game

thats kinda funny

[humble lance]

now add tynamo and blitzle lines

[steel meadow]

they should add giraffe to the game

(zebstrika/gogoat)

[humble lance]

i do gotta admit that unova got electric types so right

[steel meadow]

and bugs

[humble lance]

incredible lineup
10/10 no notes

get blurred idiots

[steel meadow]

legendaries suck.

but otherwise goated

[humble lance]

i prefer reshiram but zekrom goes super hard as well

[steel meadow]

I dont like either

[humble lance]

but consider
fluffy chiken : >

[steel meadow]

i think it might be my inner sinnoh elitism

[humble lance]

understandable lol

i also had a grudge against unova when it came out

[steel meadow]

i dont have a grudge against unova

except for the legends

[humble lance]

fair

[steel meadow]

but they are super weird compared to what we had before them

[rancid nymph]

There are far worse legendaries out there

[humble lance]

i think the normal types from unova were pretty boring tbh

[steel meadow]

before gen 5?

what are the normal types?

watchog and dog?

[rancid nymph]

Phione

[steel meadow]

oh and dumb bird

[humble lance]

and pidove line

[steel meadow]

phione doesnt exist

i like the dog

[cobalt river]

the cinccino line n audino r so cute though

[rancid nymph]

And Deerling line

[steel meadow]

oh yeah cincinno is cool

deerling is cool untill it evolves

BRO IM 24 WHY AM I STILL STRUGGLING WITH SKY PILLAR PUZZLE

[humble lance]

also audino and minccino
deerling and bouffalant are good tho
good normal types

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[steel meadow]

i know it is but like wth

[cobalt river]

my beloved baby

[velvet root]

Time for Tormo-o

[humble lance]

the mega does audino well

[velvet root]

I hate my life

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/johny-gif-27696534

[steel meadow]

audino is very mid imo

[humble lance]

honestly surprised they didnt redo audinos type to fairy

[steel meadow]

but thats cuz blissey and chansey exists i tihnk

[humble lance]

a fairy type blissey would be actually cool

couldve been audino

[cobalt river]

i knoe no one cares for it but i think its adorable wwww
tbh i also dont like blissey n chansey so its the first in that niche i like

[humble lance]

ok but consider:
chansey and blissey roumd : >

frend shaped : >

[steel meadow]

round pokemon are peak

yo

can someone get my game and help me with this puzzle pls

[cobalt river]

we got so many round pokemon 😔

[humble lance]

ok
softlocks you instead

[cobalt river]

real

[steel meadow]

say one bad round pokemon not from gen 1

yes voltorb bad

[next flare]

Igglybuff

[cobalt river]

darminatan

[steel meadow]

thats not child

DARMANITAN IS PEAK

[humble lance]

lol

togedemaru tho

it is SUCH A PAIN TO TYPE THAT POKEMONS NAME

[steel meadow]

i like togedemaru

[cobalt river]

i meant its prevo but i dont remember what its called its round though. n forgettabke. i always think darmanitan is a single stage

[steel meadow]

its one of the best pikaclones alongside dedenennenene

darumaka

[humble lance]

dedenne better
i like dedenne

rookidee is so good
i just wish rookidees color palette continued throughout the rest of the line

[steel meadow]

its hard to dislike corviknight tho

[merry shale]

i wonder if more starter trio will be added? like do we have serperior emboar and samurott yet???

[steel meadow]

although rookidee color scheme would be more unique

[humble lance]

< very biased black/blue/yellow/red color palette enjoyer

[merry shale]

kanto regional forms?

[steel meadow]

no. most likely alola starters next

if any starters that is

[merry shale]

new cross gen evos????

[fathom ridge]

No gen8+ mons can be added

[cobalt river]

corviknight needed smth tbh. its memorable because it was used so much in promo material but design wise its just. slightly forgettable. tis not bad it just also doesnt do a lot. armored birb is a cool concept but idk a single pop of color or smth mightve been cool. its just a monocolored blob rn

[fathom ridge]

Bc of limitations and all the other crossgen evos are in I think

[humble lance]

its taxi birb

needs yello

[fathom ridge]

The Tinkaton pray

[humble lance]

noooooooooooooooooooo

[steel meadow]

stay in the ball.

oh thanks

[steel meadow]

luxio my encyclopedia of non-if pokemon. do we have a gogoat fused with a legend that isnt my rayquaza that u can remember from the top of ur head?

thinking of maybe putting a goat into this run

[humble lance]

uhhhh kyogre?

[steel meadow]

OH RIGHT

OFC.

my kyogre/breloom is gonna look radically different in a few moments

oh we also have ho-oh's...

im stupid

[humble lance]

pf

[steel meadow]

just need to make sure i dont use any of these sprites

[velvet root]

Why they are awesome

[steel meadow]

I need to spread our other awesome sprites

[velvet root]

I lowkey wonder why you didnt use Gogoloom

[steel meadow]

And tbh Kyogre/Gogoat works perfectly for Kyogre/Breloom

Oh i could do breloom too

we have so many goats.

[velvet root]

True

[steel meadow]

wait kyogre/gogoat is not on the sheets. i'll revive that thread 🐐

[velvet root]

wait what

oh that one

[steel meadow]

Im actually going to sprite a new goat for the run. Might be exciting to see a new sprite drop in HOF for once

Why am i having this conversation here and not in the not so secret goat thread? Idk.

[trail hull]

okay time for the sprite bilan!
I'm gonna make the lis tof each new revealed mon and say how many sprites they have:

[steel meadow]

carbink has the most right?

[ornate tide]

Based mased zased even

[cobalt river]

carbink deserves it

[trail hull]

Jangmo-o 100
Hakamo-o 50
Kommo-o 100
Fomantis 57
Lurantis 119
Carbink 303
Chespin 63
Quilladin 29
Chesnaught 58
Fennekin 56
Braixen 47
Delphox 88
Froakie 40
Frogadier 27
Greninja 79
Wimpod 6
Golisopod 14

[trail hull]

yes

the total is:

drumroll

[steel meadow]

Me when its not in number order

[unkempt stone]

I swear I had a dream where they just released a new version of the game early exclusively to add Carbink in and then we just had to wait for the rest of the new mons

[unkempt stone]

Also wow Carbink has 303 sprites already

[trail hull]

1236 sprites total

[steel meadow]

Oh quilladin has the least sprites outside of the new bugs. Makes sense

[unkempt stone]

I'm not surprised but also surprised honestly

[steel meadow]

We love carbink fusions

[cobalt river]

binkin out them bonks

[unkempt stone]

Carbink good fusion material

[unkempt stone]

[steel meadow]

That one person that said carbink isnt good for fusing is crying right now

Wait

I meant spriting.

[trail hull]

out of the 16 k sprites these 17 mons bring we already are at 7,5% completion

[velvet root]

Not my best Torterra but it works

[trail hull]

I wanted to do a coolo carbink fusionbs but the diglett fusion for the gen 6 starters took me too long

[steel meadow]

Thats a very solid kommo-o, one of the best ive seen

[trail hull]

thanks to ralliv idea I made this

[steel meadow]

Those plates are gorgeous

[trail hull]

thank you , ralliv helped me 😄

[steel meadow]

Thats nice of them

[trail hull]

yeah

[velvet root]

Color change tho

Kommo-o is sick but I am just not a scale fan sprite wise

[trail hull]

I made these and the reverse in 3 days when the starters revealed

[steel meadow]

nice thats even better

[molten loom]

I get the feeling you like diglett

[steel meadow]

18 sprites in 3 days...

[inland jewel]

i imagine some of them are also diancie fusions

[trail hull]

Yep I went from 10 sprites , currently I have mroe sprites then day of the month

[velvet root]

Im also up to date with all new Pokemon!

[inland jewel]

i wonder what the amount is if we remove diancie from Carbink fusions

[trail hull]

currently made the diglett for wimpod and goli

[molten loom]

These are all the sprites I've made for the new mons

[cobalt river]

wdym diancie fusions

[trail hull]

I started spriting diglet cuz it was simpel and close to completion

[steel meadow]

same

[trail hull]

to me it'sd just an empty square

[velvet root]

I mean your a new Spriter

[trail hull]

your diancie fusions are awesome

[molten loom]

That's the joke, it's an empty square

[steel meadow]

Wait wtf i need to sleep. Goodnight chat

[trail hull]

[cobalt river]

yeah but i didnt recolor any into carbink fusions if thats whats being suggested my binks r unique

[trail hull]

the only mon that you should ever recolor fusions is illumise and volbeat as well as plusle and minun

[cobalt river]

WWWW yeah plusle n minun need some uh. minor changes

but carbink n diancie have been different aesthetics to sprite for and with

[trail hull]

honestly I only sprited carbink so I can't tell the difference

also ribbon can you show us the diancie chart currently please?

[velvet root]

https://youtu.be/W3wzOJa-kPM?si=CiySlXm5pv5MD2Xk Also why is that song so addictiv?

[cobalt river]

i really wish that diancie/scolipede was more up to date i need to redo it so bad but the idea is there. different head aesthetics!

[trail hull]

wow

[cobalt river]

here it is! i dont know if anythings changed since last time 😔

actually fomantis n lurantis probably (off to the side, since id idnt have any squares for them on the chart)

[trail hull]

now there's afull chart up to 500

all of these diancies are gorgeous

[cobalt river]

im waiting for full revealed mons to update the chart to 500 yee thank you also haha!

#artwork message celebratory bink drawing from today i can share

[stuck bane]

2 more weeks

It’s either gonna be monkeys and burmy or starters and fossils trust

[cobalt river]

scatterbug spewpa and 11 vivillion forms

[stuck bane]

I thought there were more than 12?

[velvet root]

Ribbon said 13 mons there

[stuck bane]

Yeah but Vivillon has 18 patterns, I get the joke I was just trying to remember for myself

[velvet root]

oooh

[zealous lichen]

hey everyone how are yall doing

[stuck bane]

Hello

[tender plank]

i'm doing fine

[stuck bane]

In actuality it’s prob gonna be like last year where they have a reveal each week bleeding into November

[velvet root]

fine well existing

[zealous lichen]

yeah 1 reveal a week makes the most sense

[velvet root]

But If Frog would prever to get it out before November

[tender plank]

so that's 6 more reveals according to my calculations

[stuck bane]

So yeah about 7-8 reveals gets us to the middle of November

[stuck bane]

Did he get the ultra Necrozma update out before November?

[tender plank]

ah. november too, i see

[zealous lichen]

on average yes but several 1 stage mons can throw it off

[stuck bane]

Or Lycanroc

I mean

[velvet root]

Its also stated that the new Pokemon get in that update

As far as I remember

[stuck bane]

Yes. I’ll just check it myself

So he brought out the update with ultra necrozma on the 12th of November

Melo/brux/cress prob don’t count as those were things he wasn’t expecting (Melo quest took a long time to code)

So I would expect the votes to be done/update to be ready around then

13 slots, 8 lines (assuming they’re all revealed by the 12th), who are your predictions?

[tender plank]

currently making mine

(note: i've lost hope, i realistically don't think my flippery friend will be part of this batch)

(Still love him but i gotta think logistically here)

[zealous lichen]

Relicanth, Barbanicle, Emolga, Sawk/Throh, Skuntank, Slurpuff, Tropius, Pyroar. some of these are not likely I know

[stuck bane]

Oh hey that works

I gotta change up my list though, not enough 1 slots to make it work

[zealous lichen]

its a decent variety as well but could be better

[fallen loom]

Barbarnicle is the only Pokémon we can get that has Tough Claws, so I'd say it's likely, also Frog likes them

[velvet root]

Btw
We absolutly need Sawsbuck for Seasonal fusions
They would never be possible otherwise

[zealous lichen]

I would love Sawsbuck line

[fallen loom]

yeah

[cobalt river]

sawsbuck would be really nice

[zealous lichen]

yeah I think Frog liking them is the part that would add them I doubt their ability will effect the thought process at all

[stuck bane]

Here’s my predictions (not my wants unfortunately)

Blitz week: bewear, dhelmise, toxapex, Hawlucha, Cacturne, pallossand, aurorus

58% alola, 25% kalos, 16% hoenn
8 alola slots
4 Kalos slots
3 hoenn slots

Goliso 2 (correct)
Ribombee 2
Komala 1
Comfey 1
Salazzle 2
Slurpuff 2
Xerneas/Yveltal 2
Tropius 1
Camerupt 2

[fallen loom]

RIP Unova :/

[zealous lichen]

I dont want any legendaries added this time around lol

[velvet root]

You guys really dont understand sarcasm

[gray vine]

Unova more like uhhh uh America...hah gottem

[stuck bane]

Yeah if we’re looking at the blitz week, zero unova whatsoever. I hope I’m wrong, but it’s the best comparison

[fallen loom]

I mean Lunala and Solgaleo have to be in because of Necrozma

[tender plank]

ok here're my predictions. i tried to think based on potential announcement event themes based on the release day, but i don't think most of them will be that predictable so it's hard to pinpoint exactly what'll happen
(also i feel like the last day will feature a curveball 3 stage, hence the spheal)

[cobalt river]

no i understood the sarcasm i just didnt agree www

[zealous lichen]

you posted an amazing sprite!!!!

[stuck bane]

And a lot of last vote were mostly hoenn/kalos/alola

[gray vine]

is there any reason for the dates? like do we know those are reveal dates or did you also predict those?

[tender plank]

every sunday

[gray vine]

ah

[fathom ridge]

uhhh pachirisu?

[hollow creek]

HOPEFULLY every Sunday

[zealous lichen]

hey got to add a weak one in there

[tender plank]

idk i just needed a 1 stage for november. couldn't think of anything and i was like 'uhh, squirrels do stuff in november, right?'

[stuck bane]

I mean if you wanna be an asshole about it let’s go I’m sure another Mon could bring motorbike sprites or bush sprites

[zealous lichen]

oh I didnt know you did that

[velvet root]

Its to show that if we want Seasonal fusion we dont need Sawsbuck qwq

[fallen loom]

Who I want:
Scraggy line/Pancham line
Any two-stage Bug line
Cosmog line (stupid Necrozma)
Another runner-up line from last time (Lotad/Spheal)
Barbaricle line

[velvet root]

I mean bush isnt a argument for Gogoat

[stuck bane]

Let’s hear your arguments then

[velvet root]

Its Motorbike and Goat fusions

[hollow creek]

Turtonator…

[velvet root]

Oh no I meant a bush doesnt make it unique

[hollow creek]

Or perhaps Gastronom

[stuck bane]

Miltank Stantler would absolutely make a goat

Therefore We don’t need gogoat

[fallen loom]

if next time it stops at 569, who do you think gets in?

[tender plank]

with 69 open slots, there's plenty of room for my fossily pals :)

[stuck bane]

Eh, I doubt that, when he added 50 it was really stressful for frog, I’m assuming it’ll be more laid back now with ~30/40 per year, nowhere near 70

[fallen loom]

as long as it's increased per year

maybe next year 34 and the year after 35, so it's 569

[velvet root]

I mean my argument is that nearly all grass types are able to be seasons
your goat argument works if a Pokemon could completly replace that

[zealous lichen]

I dont think he will increase it unless he gets another coder and such to help

[hollow creek]

What if Instead of seasons we focos on weather

[tender plank]

i think next year we could realistically get 20-25 new pokemon added

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/castform-gif-26745718

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-castform-shiny-gif-23754814

I like that lil guy

[fallen loom]

maybe a starter trio every other year

[velvet root]

good 4 slots

[zealous lichen]

wouldnt mind castform at all

[hollow creek]

Castform actuslly getting in would be nuts though

Crazier than anything we’ve seen before

[velvet root]

I expect a Starter trio every year
and if adding mons is yearly I say this year and in 2 we get the missing Box art Legends

[fallen loom]

this year I could see SM Box legends after Necrozma

[stuck bane]

Grass isn’t inherently seasonal, it’s grass and plants, it’s like the diancie argument, yeah gardevoir carbink could get us a gem princess fusion, but diancie starts with that off the bat allowing for anything to have the gem princess dynamic, like scolipede

Yeah, a grass type plus a fire/ice type could make seasonal fusions, but Sawsbuck starts with that off the bat, allowing it to apply to anything that might not have originally applied, like scolipede

[zealous lichen]

iirc they originally were not going to add any mons this year

[velvet root]

Btw if you guys didnt notice
Its cuz quiet some people say that we only can get Seasonal fusions with Sawsbuck

[hollow creek]

I’m confused by this argument

[stuck bane]

We never said that you are lying

[fallen loom]

they weren't?

[stuck bane]

I never hated gogoat but you wanna start this war we can start this war

[velvet root]

Dont mean you

dw

[velvet root]

Did I ever say I dislike Sawsbuck?

[zealous lichen]

yeah I think Frog had to be convinced to do it

[fallen loom]

dang, at least we got Wimpod

[stuck bane]

You said we don’t need it

[hollow creek]

Sawsbuck would be nice methonks

[stuck bane]

Seems to imply that you’d be without it

[velvet root]

I mean

• @silent acorn I think it was with you, didnt we agree both should be in

[stuck bane]

I think both should be in

And I hate that they’re being compared when they have completely different aspects to bring to fusions

[hollow creek]

Having sawsbuck season bodies not look the same would be interesting

[velvet root]

My only beef with it is the people acting like it would bring something new
It simply doesnt
That doesnt make it a bad pick in the end

[stuck bane]

Like who

[hollow creek]

me

[stuck bane]

I feel like I’m in a south park gag where “they killed Kenny”

Who is they

Oh well there we go

[hollow creek]

Sawsbuck seasons would be fun despite what I said about bodies but it could work

[fallen loom]

so many two-stage mono Grass Types missing:
Deerling line
Petilil line
Skiddo line
Cherubi line
Pansage line

[hollow creek]

I like having 4 forms of one mon

[stuck bane]

(Deerling isn’t mono grass)

[velvet root]

Deerling line is Normal too

[fallen loom]

oh yeah

feels mono

[hollow creek]

But it has the downside of the body fusions looking similar I think

[stuck bane]

I think it’s because normal is like a normal animal, like regional birds being just normal birds for the most part, normal deer, normal beaver, etc.

[fallen loom]

why have 8 slots for the Deerling line? All that changes is the looks and even then you can make wintery sprites for Ice types and summery sprites for Fire types

[zealous lichen]

I disagree the body tends to change a decent amount

[hollow creek]

Oh shit it’s 8 slots

Yeah I don’t think it’s coming this time around lol

Still fun to think about

[stuck bane]

We’re not arguing for 8 slots. It’s the same reason we don’t have 2 slots for Pikachu because the heart tail is different

[fallen loom]

if Frog isn't going to add in Lycanroc Dusk because it looks too similar to Midday, no way would Deerling line have 8 slots

[stuck bane]

It’s just design differences

Oh wait I think I misunderstood

[fallen loom]

heart tail is female

[humble lance]

deerling and sawsbuck dont change types tho so i think itd just be two slots

[hollow creek]

TBf the forms are pretty different

Dusk was axed cause it was just lycanrick but orange

[fallen loom]

also the BST is the same, as are the movesets and Abilities

[opaque ether]

Man I really wish they'd add Tough Claws to Lycanroc. I get why they didn't add Dusk as its own slot, but at least give Midday Tough Claws since it's already near identical to Dusk. Dusk's sprites are even included in Midday's.

[stuck bane]

Yeah we were thinking 2 slots, and spriter’s choice on which form to use

[humble lance]

castform forms do change types so those would have to be separate slots

[hollow creek]

Cast W

[stuck bane]

I think part of the argument too was event Mon, but idk

[fallen loom]

Except its attack and speed are different
Except its got Tough Claws
Except it knows Counter

[stuck bane]

Yeah frog confirmed they’re 4

[hollow creek]

Yeah but it’s just orange lycanrick

[humble lance]

lycanrick

[hollow creek]

Morty I’m lycanrick

[stuck bane]

I’m naming my rockruff rick in an upcoming nuzlocke

[opaque ether]

To be fair, I think the only difference between Midday and Dusk's stats are two points difference in Attack and Speed.

[humble lance]

the cooler dusk lycanroc

[stuck bane]

Look at me I’m rocky Rick!

[opaque ether]

Honestly giving Lycanroc Tough Claws is probably my most wanted thing for the game beyond adding Pokemon.

[hollow creek]

If dusk wasn’t lycanrick but orange and had a different design it would probably have been in IF

[fallen loom]

This!!! I've requested it at least twice, yet it's never fixed! Also Midnight doesn't have No Guard available AND a load of TMs (including Rock coverage) are also missing

[stuck bane]

Rip lycanrick

He turned himself into an unadded Mon in infinite fusion

[fallen loom]

except it's Midday but has Midnight features

[stuck bane]

Funniest shit I’ve ever seen

[humble lance]

i dont think its possible to give pokemon more than three abilities

[fallen loom]

then replace a bad one

[humble lance]

which one

[opaque ether]

Yeah once I learned of the suggestions channel I made a post there asking for it, too. Hopefully they listen. Swapping Keen Eye for Tough Claws wouldn't be hard. Especially if they do introduce the Binacle line, so it's not like they'd have to add an entirely new ability to the game just for Dusk.

[stuck bane]

I’m gonna do everything in my power to make my phone always autocorrect it to lycanrick

I’ve argued just add an NPC that will apply tough claws to either one for idk an item or something

[fallen loom]

Keen Eye

[opaque ether]

Yeah I'd say just drop Keen Eye. At least on Midday.

[stuck bane]

I dunno

[zealous lichen]

working with golisopod is hard lol

[fallen loom]

Midnight with Tough Claws makes more sense, since it's bipedial so it uses the claws

[stuck bane]

Tough claws is nice but not nice enough to erase a Pokémon’s existing abilities and confuse players, but that’s just me I guess

[velvet root]

Doesnt Though claws make Midday even stronger than midnight than it already is?

[stuck bane]

Yes I’m pretty sure

[fallen loom]

also if the forms had different types:
Midday Rock/Normal
Midnight Rock/Dark
Dusk Rock/Fighting

we'd have Tough Claws by now

[velvet root]

Than im against it
I dislike when a splitt evo has one that is stronger by worlds

[humble lance]

would giving tough claws to midnight balance it out?

[stuck bane]

SMH just predict the infinite fusion fan game ahead of time gamefreak smh

[fallen loom]

yes

[stuck bane]

Agreed

[stuck bane]

Exactly! Just make an NPC that will override the current ability into tough claws

They both get it

So they’re at least still comparable

[fallen loom]

Midday is better than Midnight though

Midnight also doesn't get its HA in this game, so it has that against it too

[humble lance]

i think replacing the keen eye for tough claws sounds good
then they dont have any similar abilities

[stuck bane]

Afaik midnight is better in SM nuzlockes, but I agree yeah midday seems to have better stat spread

[stuck bane]

Wait why not

[fallen loom]

forgot to give it

[stuck bane]

F

[humble lance]

[stuck bane]

Just give midnight tough claws then

Balance them out

There’s a free space

[opaque ether]

Giving Tough Claws to Midnight as a buff would be neat, but if they'd only give it to one, I still say Midday.

[stuck bane]

Does midday have its hidden ability?

[molten loom]

Apparently that was fixed in 6.1.4

[fallen loom]

yes

huh

[stuck bane]

Oh nm then

[fallen loom]

still replace Keen Eye

[velvet root]

Midnight had the ability problem
But it is fixed

[stuck bane]

Eh, agree to disagree, this sounds like we just want tough claws on the better Mon, and I don’t like replacing abilities mons naturally get (Delibird is an exception since both are same ability)

[fallen loom]

yet didn't give it TC

I want it on Midnight

[stuck bane]

Oh

Oh you mean replace keen eye on both

Do they both get it?

[fallen loom]

no

Midnight only

[green laurel]

nah give it to midday

better option

[fallen loom]

Midnight uses its claws not for walking

[opaque ether]

Midnight makes sense if you're only looking at the ability as a buff.
Midday makes sense if you're only looking at trying to accurately replicate Dusk without it having its own slot.
You can easily go with both. But of the two, Midday would be the most accurate to the real Dusk.

[velvet root]

Lets change the topic who is your fav starter from the 3 groups?

[fallen loom]

fog line

IG

I mean the sprites look better

[dusty arrow]

yanmega/greninja would be better than scoli

[stuck bane]

No they both get keen eye

Honestly the froakie

[next flare]

Magnaught

[rain locust]

gren

[fallen loom]

Scoliosis looks cool with Gringer

[green laurel]

the froakie one

[velvet root]

I wonder
Which final would be the best in competetiv
If you had to guess
As our competetive winner

[rain locust]

mag

[fallen loom]

Steel/Fighting?

[rain locust]

mid ass spiker but better than the others

[fallen loom]

I thought you meant Shield Spike

[velvet root]

Good to know

[rain locust]

you basically never use spiky shield unless ur fear, shed, or a ph scared of imp

[velvet root]

You have any favorite fusions to use in Competetive?

[rain locust]

a lot id say

[velvet root]

Can we see some

[rain locust]

alright once i sit down

lurantis entei has greatly exceeded my expectations so far it could get vcreate banned

[stuck bane]

Damn so contrary was an insane choice

[hollow creek]

Salamance/duoblade on my sprite list

[velvet root]

nice

[rain locust]

mence blade used to have a sprite idk where it went

[hollow creek]

It left

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-bean-killer-bean-ragdoll-ragdoll-fall-gif-23762382

lemme look for mons ive used which dont have sprites

[velvet root]

Can I ask you one specific question?

You dont happen to come up with a fusion you think would make Gogoat less underperforming

[hollow creek]

I’ve been putting kyurem/carbink aside for a bit

[stuck bane]

Spinda: only normal type with contrary
Malamar: only psychic/dark with contrary
Serperior: highest speed/defenses + contrary

Magearna: access to fleur cannon
Victini: access to v-create
Crabominable: access to ice hammer
Hoopa: access to hyperspace fury

It seems lurantis was the highest attack stat with contrary, which comp players seem to like, so other contrary mons might not be as appealing, but I’m sure you could do something with them

[silent acorn]

Was... Oh yeah spinda is normal with contrary

[stuck bane]

Malamar is only natural contrary so as nuzlocker that’s all I really care for

But kommo and lurantis back to back were a good way to slowly chip away at contrary completion.

[velvet root]

Thx

Unexpected to see both Horn leech and Milk drink on sets

[stuck bane]

Hp is important

[velvet root]

But maybe im just not a competetiv brain at all

[stuck bane]

Especially against competitive Min maxers

And these prob aren’t viable, but serviceable

[velvet root]

Trust me I never expect Gogoat to be a competetive mon ever

[rain locust]

it doesnt have a better grass stab

[velvet root]

oooh

[zealous lichen]

im surprised how many people are not doing golisopod head

[rain locust]

tbf gogoat does have a niche

its the fattest grass head

with reliable recovery too

[stuck bane]

I think it’s actually fattest grass overall? But yeah for fusions head matters

[median iris]

It'll happen in time 👍

[velvet root]

Fattest is hp right?

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah congrats btw

[rain locust]

highest special bulk

[velvet root]

oooh

[median iris]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-tears-gif-25605273

Thank you!!

[zealous lichen]

its a very difficult one to sprite lol

[velvet root]

I only know that Gogoat has most hp of all non mega and legendary grass types

[zealous lichen]

harpoon version

[median iris]

Oh that's cool as hell

[stuck bane]

Wait I need to look it up I thought it was best grass overall

[velvet root]

Forget it its highest Grass hp no matter what

[zealous lichen]

thats insane to me lol

[median iris]

Gogoat popping off

[velvet root]

I had in my head that there was a Mega or so higher

[stuck bane]

Yeah I thought so, https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/stat/hp.shtml

So gogoat def has stats for sure

[rain locust]

Erm Actually Gogoat Def Is Bad

[stuck bane]

I never said it was good I said it had stats

[rain locust]

i was making a joke about you saying def bc its def is 62

[stuck bane]

Oh you mean defense

Oh funny

I get it

I mean definitely

[velvet root]

It sufferd the mega nerf treatment, giving all the mons weird stats so that the megas stay superior

[rain locust]

lol

[stuck bane]

Also we talked about Darm today, and man does it have lower defenses than I remember

[velvet root]

Cuz I think most gen 6 mons have weird ass stats

[zealous lichen]

grass pelt helps with that though

[rain locust]

not when theres no grassy surger

[zealous lichen]

it learns grassy terrain

[rain locust]

theres 0 reason to use grassy terrain and waste ur ability when you can use bulk up instead

[zealous lichen]

hmm fair enough

[opaque ether]

I still can't get over Gogoat having 97 SpAttack. Like its got 100 Attack and a pretty good physical movepool. Yet its SpAttack is just three points behind with a marginally worse special movepool.

[zealous lichen]

I still think it could have uses in certain team comps

[velvet root]

Ngl If it was a gen sooner or later it probably wouldnt have so much sp atk

[opaque ether]

Like swap its SpAttack and Speed. It's be so much better.

[velvet root]

I mean its a fine mon at the end of the day for a fusion game
Obv nothing for Competetive but yeah

[velvet root]

True

[stuck bane]

Unless Sawsbuck gets the move tutor move seed bomb, it’s kinda in the same boat with horn leech. However double chances at a horn leech Mon in my nuzlockes would be helpful

Triple with trev I guess

[opaque ether]

Sawsbuck would be neat. I remember using it in my first B2W2 playthrough.

[velvet root]

I mean Goat get Seed bomb and leave blade if someone doesnt want Horn leech

[rain locust]

no reason to use either when neither have good enough effects

compared to drain

[zealous lichen]

Seed bomb leaf blade, Milk Drink, and bulk up loll

[velvet root]

Obv
Some people just prever those over life steal stuff

[stuck bane]

If you just have to kill something I guess it exists

[velvet root]

Funny enough Gogoat is one move away to learn my 3 fav moves

Same for Scolipede

Horn leech, EQ and PJab are my fav moves lol

That means I need him

[stuck bane]

Oh that makes sense as to why you like gogoat so much

All 3 horn leechers would be nice to have, trev has best attack, gogoat has best hp, and Sawsbuck has best speed

Iirc?

(Nm Xerneas and tapu bulu also get it but they’re legends)

[velvet root]

• I think it looks really cool and majestic, has a gentle big boy (giant) vibe and he carried my Y run and was so fun to use
  After spriting it once I fell in love and just want it in the game now!

[royal drum]

Ok, we got the most requested mon in now.
But now....we gotta wait till the actual fan favorites are in!

[opaque ether]

Understandable. Its always nice to hear others' stories on their favorites.

[zealous lichen]

I think Sawk and Throh would be good additions

[velvet root]

Btw the Y team was
Greninja
Gogoat
Flygon
Chandelure
Scolipede (he did really good too)
Gardevoir

[zealous lichen]

only running on 3g?

[stuck bane]

I think the karate clothes Sawk and Throh could give other Pokémon have a lot of fusion potential

[royal drum]

I'm just half-joking, I do hope they're coming in. I like these mon.

[stuck bane]

Not as much as say Furfrou, but still a lot

[velvet root]

Scolipede is my fav mon cuz I love that designe, its a poison type too, purple is on it, gentle giant and I NEVER got dissapointed by Scolipede ever
And I used like 15 or more to this point

[royal drum]

Yeah, basically that

[stuck bane]

Nah all the mons deserve to get in, that includes these two

[royal drum]

I mean, we got some good picks after we got sableye added last years. I have no complains to all the mons that are in the game

[opaque ether]

So is there a data cap to how many Pokemon they can add? Or will all of them, slowly over time, be added in?

[velvet root]

Also when I played bw the first time (i dont even know if it was my version) I had so much fun with a Whirlipede

[mild sedge]

gamers I am happy to confirm that ngs is completed

[stuck bane]

They have thousands of slots available with the fusion calculation rework, we can get the entirety of Gen 7 in, it’ll just take time

[velvet root]

Yes but we will never reach it

[stuck bane]

We could in like 15 years

[opaque ether]

Glad to hear. I eagerly await the day my top picks makes it in.

[velvet root]

I like them

[mild sedge]

Eelektross for the 1 mil members vote guys

[velvet root]

To this day I wish that Mightyena wouldnt look like he has a bald spot on his head

[opaque ether]

You wish that Mightyena would look like it has a bald spot?

[velvet root]

Autocorrect sorry

[opaque ether]

I've never really seen the gap in its fur as a bald spot.

[velvet root]

Yeah but it looks so weird that the head ends in a prefectly round shape
You know what I mesn

[stuck bane]

Eelektross made the raffle last time, and has some sprites made of it. I’m hopeful he makes it, especially with electric now being at the bottom of percentage

[velvet root]

It doesnt always look that bad
But when I see it I remember the angles it does

[opaque ether]

Eh, maybe its the angle. I just see it as two manes.

After Poochyena and Mightyena, the Eelektross line is definitely up there for me. Electric type with Levitate is great.

[velvet root]

Mighty is a cool contendor for a Goat fusion

[opaque ether]

I don't really have any strong wants after the 'Yenas though. All I wanted was them, the Lycanrocs, and Noivern. I've got my 2nd and 3rd picks. Just want my #1 now.

[opaque ether]

Thanks, Google.

[velvet root]

I know that there was a fangame with one

[opaque ether]

"Pokemon Fusion Origins" is where I found the pic https://pokemonfusionorigins.wordpress.com/gogoyena/

[velvet root]

Yeeee

[hot hamlet]

Why does this scream “Mobile Pokémon clone”?

[opaque ether]

I know nothing of the game, but cool fusion nonetheless.

[velvet root]

Cool game with shit level curve

[opaque ether]

RIP

[velvet root]

Yeah
The level curve ruins it

Even more cuz you cant train anywhere
No rebattling trainers
Route mons are like 15 lvls below the trainers
Shit like that

[wary crow]

How come there arent any unova starters? but there is gonna be kalos? i dont understand the skip in gen starters

[zealous lichen]

Kalos is more popular

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu Gaming (Replaced Skiddo/Pachirisu's tail)

[wary crow]

unova would still be nice tho

[zealous lichen]

in the future

[grave jolt]

The Kalos starters got higher on last years polls before the starters were kicked out.

[royal drum]

Oh ye I remember that

We were "supposed" to get 20 mon, and the starters were dominating the polls.

Imagine you're hoping for variety and only getting 2 sets of starters, sableye and a random 2 stage pokemon.

[grave jolt]

Even with the 30 slots we ended up getting, we'd have gotten 3 sets of starters + Xerneas and Yveltol

[royal drum]

True

[civic harness]

Did you make this?

[grave jolt]

yup!

[civic harness]

You could add some bush texture to the tail

But is nice

[grave jolt]

Added texture

[gray vine]

he so happy

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/samurott-what-the-oshawott-gif-gif-22426902

swords otter

[flint tiger]

I support this

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-happy-dance-hyper-gif-25491309

[silent acorn]

You are getting good at it Pachi Girl

[elfin parrot]

Sawk and Throh open the door to Muppet fusions (because people, myself included, think they look kinda like Muppets), oni fusions, and fusions referencing any character that wears a gi, like Ryu from Streets

[sleek hornet]

I just want plague doctor fusions from aromatisse and the Big Flower bush fusions from Florges. T-T. BUT, sawk and throh, I want them in there for a Bert and Ernie (From Sesame Street) fusion :3.

[grave jolt]

They give Bert and Ernie vibes

https://tenor.com/view/bert-ernie-what-gif-22885350

[stuck bane]

Bert/Ernie: adds more fighting types, Sawk brings great attack, and Throh brings great hp and good attack, and Sawk is the only fighting type to get sturdy (heracross but instead of needing a focus sash you have a free slot for an item?), also brings judo/karate/belt fusions and fusions of wearing a martial arts Gi for different Pokémon, Throh is also the only pure fighting type with access to bind, and the only Pokémon besides greninja that can learn mat block, also the only Pokémon besides pinsir to get storm throw naturally, and the only fully evolved pure fighting type with access to body slam, and the only fully evolved pure fighting type with access to circle throw

[silent acorn]

Now that other stuff are in...

Yeah bring Bert/Ernie in

They are okish

[hot hamlet]

Everyone cites Bett and Ernie.
How about non-reference fusions with Sawk/Throh? What more can they add aside from references that wasn’t already done with other fusions?

[silent acorn]

They can add...

https://tenor.com/view/mwuah-cookie-monster-flying-kiss-kiss-kissing-gif-11525475792652488119

[hot hamlet]

That’s just another reference

[silent acorn]

And they can add...

Urshifu

And they kinda work as blue and red therian material

[stuck bane]

Well depends on what you call a reference, if you think giving a martial arts gi to mons like gardevoir/lurantis/etc. is a reference to martial arts, then yeah. If not, I said my piece on it above

[hot hamlet]

Allow me to rectify then.
What non-media references can they provide?

[outer matrix]

what would even fit for referencing the cookie monster? snorlax?

[silent acorn]

In game martial artist trainer sprites... Live the trainer capture fantasy

[silent acorn]

Garbodor :V

[gray vine]

your thinking of a different character

https://tenor.com/view/trash-oscar-the-grouch-gif-26259439

[stuck bane]

Never mind Sawk and Throh are S I’ve wanted to get back into palworld so bad but they haven’t fixed these single player world deleting issues

[silent acorn]

Then garbodor and Snorlax :V

[gray vine]

why not do tangrowth its atleast blue

garbador doesnt make sense for cookie monster

[silent acorn]

That's for medudesa :V

[gray vine]

havent had any issues with my world yet

[silent acorn]

To be fair

[hot hamlet]

I think Cookie Monster already exists as a fusion but forget the components

[stuck bane]

Judo, karate, belts, martial arts Gi, I said it all above, those are things that aren’t “media” but still reference a real thing (like meloetta referencing different musical beats in fusions, I think the shedinja one did that?)

[silent acorn]

I dont stand Bert and Ernie 8 think they are passable

[gray vine]

talking about palworld, im annoyed at myself for being lazy and so missing out on the furret summer skin, i got the Relaxaurus Skin and the Quivern Skin but missed the Furretr one cause i was like "eh imma just get it tomorrow" then i forgot about it

[stuck bane]

I don’t wanna take chances, I’ve poured too many hours into it

The Cattiva skin is all I’ll need, I don’t like these limited time deals, especially considering I don’t use twitch

[hot hamlet]

Feels pretty niche just to slap martial arts equipment and call it a fusion.
How would that work on non-solid fusions like Muk or Gastly?

[gray vine]

why not do a Backup

[gray vine]

ah thats free with the thing anyway

[stuck bane]

I did, but I’ve heard horror stories and I don’t wanna take chances

[gray vine]

eh its just watching an hour of a palworld stream, i just let one on mute open in the background and got the first 2 that way just forgot to do furret

[silent acorn]

Thruk

Hits like a truck

[gray vine]

but yeah limited things suck, i agree there

[silent acorn]

Otherwise he can become

Sawuk dis

And that

[hot hamlet]

Pretty sure that would make Sauk

[silent acorn]

Sauk diz repel

[stuck bane]

Well Gastly could easily represent the spirit world of martial artists, forget what it’s called, is a religious place like heaven a reference since it’s technically media? And muk… regrettably it’s not gonna work with everyone, but it could be funny seeing a melted Sawk/Throh face

[hot hamlet]

Stealing that name btw.I need more fantasy pirate names

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440

To be honest

I dunno Bert and Ernie man

Should have had atleast different uniform

Imagine if they referenced Ryu and Ken

Man that would have been cool

Ken is just throh and sawk is Ryu

Just works

[hot hamlet]

The hell did I say?
In my mind it sounds like Sauerkraut… Sauk

S-ow-ck

[silent acorn]

Walking risque terrain with this one

Anyway

I dunno man

They are good stat wise and moves

But like...

[hot hamlet]

No clue what you mean but okay

[silent acorn]

Seriously more copypasted they couldn't have been

Just copy paste uniform onto any mon and bam!

Fusion

I dont know what to tell you they work from stats and gameplay but they feel rushed

Similar to basculin just being filler in unova

Atleast Cryogonal is a freaking Snowflake Face

[hot hamlet]

Nothing involving the cracked rock skin then? Shame

[silent acorn]

It was really wasted to not make them references to Capcom

[silent acorn]

Eh.

Nothing you couldn't make with Golem or Gigalith

They are just

There

Like dude there is more martial arts than judo and karate

[hot hamlet]

Golem yes, gigalith doesn’t have cracked body

[silent acorn]

It has rugged body

But I digress

[hot hamlet]

I am well aware after examining more than a few

[silent acorn]

It's hard to give them something

Feel like... What is one from the west like US based

Hmmm

I know there is one gimme a sec

Oh yeah

Gun Fu

[hot hamlet]

That would make for Remoraid then

[silent acorn]

Well I dunno man

[silent acorn]

I have no idea something endemic only to the US

I could tell you luchadors and conch shell boxers from Old Mexico

Could tell you Machete Escrima from south

Could tell you Cappoeira

I dunno what they practice in the US

Since that's what Unova is sorta based on

boyo someone replied this seriously once

Anyway

There isnt one actually

Mostly boxing and like wrestling

Actually hawlucha made more sense to be in the Uni-I mean totally not American Unova

[hot hamlet]

For the most part it’s the usual stuff, Judo, karate, etc.
I do know Chuck Norris invented his own based on taking (supposedly) the best of all the different styles he learned

[silent acorn]

Chuck was actually the real deal

[hot hamlet]

Yeah but idk his own style

[silent acorn]

Man sparred for real with Bruce holy cow batman

Anyway

[hot hamlet]

Idk if a form of martial arts he invented is any good if the best practitioner of it is the guy that made it

[silent acorn]

Actually if they make another one based on a United States state It make sense for a superhero based mon to be typed Fighting

[hot hamlet]

Palafin would have worked for Unova

[silent acorn]

I am ignoring The dolphin because that isn't in the US

[hot hamlet]

Lots of heroes in fictional New Yorks

[silent acorn]

Yeap

I mean a region based on US would probably have too many gun pokemon

[hot hamlet]

Actually if you want a US-based fighter probably an MMA fighter

[silent acorn]

Now that's the real deal

But yeah I don't know about Bert/Ernie

Nice stats, bad style

Mammuth kinda did right but this is 3 mons in one

DUDE

Sawk tho... HOLY MOLY

[next flare]

The curse of not knowing how to pick custom colors

[silent acorn]

I am fine with them since I like to fuse the special head mons with physical strong pokemon

[hot hamlet]

Get that boy a sandwich stat!

[wide merlin]

froslass / delphox ?

[high haven]

Froslass & Sawk

[hot hamlet]

I just realized that makes Frosphox.
Literally Frost Fox

[stuck bane]

Foxcicle

Anyways

Uhhhh

About Sigilyph

[silent acorn]

It's pretty neat

Damn man I ripped my knee again

Just lying in bed again

Anyway