pif-hoenn-discussion

[fathom ridge]

Swampert is the best fully evolved starter

[lone dome]

It's adorable and powerful

[cunning geyser]

Sableye

One of the cutest gremlins

[velvet root]

The Sableye has that spot with Aggron and Scrafty tbh

[cunning geyser]

Sableye and Mawile, I love both

Maybe Mawile a little more

[fathom ridge]

Sableye is a little gremlin

[cunning geyser]

I am not proud of how long the slowpoke well just took me

[stuck bane]

No, I think after looking it over it’s the pencil neck and twig legs in comparison to the rest of the body that really throw me off, the simplest comparison would probably be zorua who I do like, zorua has simpler but also more defined legs that make it look like it can survive a moderate gust of wind without getting knocked over. The other thing too is if zorua does have a neck like fennekin, the fur covers and makes it look better than it actually is. Vulpix has the same as zorua and I like Vulpix too

[inland jewel]

darn it, as son as i finish a fusion which i need Chesnaught with a fist form i see someone make a base for it

[grave jolt]

So I heard we're sharing trainer cards? I don't fully remember my full teams, so here's one with my favorite pokemon from each gen.

Nvm that was half an hour ago oops

[cunning geyser]

Super cute card!

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/mawile-pokemon-gif-26533931

[cunning geyser]

lookit her

[grave jolt]

Finally beat Giovanni

[willow anchor]

utterly rigged i call hax

[clear lichen]

Without any context because I just got to the conversation, 4× SE STAB attacks probably

[eager quarry]

the cruel indifference of "design" or "being liked by people" when the indomitable 252+ Atk Stunfisk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 844-996 (235 - 277.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO walks in

[stuck bane]

Apparently we’re doing trainer cards, so here’s the team I used as a kid

[hollow creek]

I forget what my sw/sh team was but I know seismatoad, rillaboom, wishiwashi and haxorus were on it

i think I had dragopult that took me fucking forever to catch and stunfisk??

Yeah it was an interesting team

[molten loom]

Do I try it

Nah I'll grind more

I've come so far I don't want to wipe to rival fight

[proud lion]

Looks like reveals could be on Fridays

[molten loom]

Oh I posted in wrong channel whoops

[fathom ridge]

I wish, I crave some news

[stuck bane]

Fridays or weekends is what I’ve been predicting

Could be tonight, since that was Kalos starters, but unlikely

[full dome]

do fused pokemon have evolutions?

[thorny ferry]

yes

[weak trellis]

...o now I feel a little bad voting "none" as the first answer

...just a bit

[full dome]

is it every single one? or are there outliers, i couldnt find info via the wiki regarding evolutions

[stuck bane]

Mobile discord is weird so I can’t answer the poll, but I’m predicting Friday

[weak trellis]

basically evolutions happen when they normally would but those evos aren't always going to have customs

with some mons like diglett, Voltorb, and to an extent Buneary having a decent tendency to turn into autogen'ed sprites on evo

[stuck bane]

An empoleon fused with a charizard will evolve 6 times

[weak trellis]

technically four times but correct, it'll have six forms

[full dome]

oh wow

[stuck bane]

Oh wait yeah 4 my bad

[weak trellis]

the evolutions happen at the same time they would on the unfused mon, and if both happen at the same time (such as two mons that evolve at level 16) you're given a prompt on which one to evolve first

[full dome]

ive been enjoying playing this version of pokemon, kinds funny. i made a meowth spider (spinnorak and meowth) its very cursed

[silk narwhal]

Surely my glorious bug will come soon

[thorny ferry]

it works like this:
suppose I have a fusion, let's say it's psyduck/squirtle
psyduck evolves on level 33
squirtle evolves on level 16

this means that, when my psyduck/squirtle reaches level 16, it will evolve into psyduck/wartortle, which then would evolve into golduck/wartortle on level 33 and so on

[full dome]

makes more sense now I appreciate all the help. ❤️

[stuck bane]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[fallen loom]

which bug?

[thorny ferry]

I'm assuming golisopod

[stuck bane]

Which other bug could Just Rick (NGS IS NOT DEAD YET) possibly be talking about?

[silk narwhal]

I sure wonder

[full bison]

clearly they mean Volbeat

[stuck bane]

I would say one of the bugs from Gen 5 but all of them are bangers so it doesn’t work as well

Remember burmy takes 7 slots unless told otherwise

[full bison]

The only Gen 5 Bug Pokemon I feel like would get overlooked is Crustle, but even they're not terrible

[stuck bane]

Yeah, like, top 10 of spriter vote

[full bison]

Clearly Burmy itself will only take one and look like this

[stuck bane]

Even the worst of Gen 5 bugs are not to be played with

[hidden relic]

Worst!?

For fusions n' stuff

Crustle would be like

Torterra 2

The amount of things you can do with the body's shell

Insane

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying all of them are bangers and even if you call one the worst they’re still awesome

[full bison]

the worst Gen5 Bug is still in like the top 20 Bugs

[hidden relic]

Nuh uh

Durant is like

[stuck bane]

Lemme say it like this, let’s say Durant is the worst of all Gen 5 bugs. Durant is still above all the bug types from kalos

[hidden relic]

Not there

See

Durant sucks

Tbh I'd say Viv is better than Durant

[stuck bane]

I’m sorry what was that I was too busy deciding what to fuse with Durant

[hidden relic]

First 2 blow though

Vivillion gives spriters like

A lot of color choices

Thanks to the wing patterns

[stuck bane]

Vivillion isn’t bad, it’s better for spriters for sure with all the patterns (and I personally would like vivillion)

[hidden relic]

And imo just the support pool that Viv gives

[next flare]

I vote vivillon for Spewpa

[hidden relic]

Is better than Durant Hustle

[stuck bane]

But Durant has perfect body stats, and is literally fastest steel type body

[zealous lichen]

is there something I missed?

[stuck bane]

I don’t think so

[zealous lichen]

I saw talk with @hidden relic about new mons and figured I missed something lol

[hidden relic]

Nah I'm just chillin

[full bison]

I respect Vivillon because it basically became Nightshade for that one Pokemon AI generator because they used every single form at once for the algorithm. Anything that screws with that kinda stuff has my respect

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah since it was only 11 slots they added all the remaining dragons

So no more dragon talk

[zealous lichen]

lol

[hidden relic]

[zealous lichen]

I thought it was 13 slots?

[hidden relic]

Technically is, since 474 & 475 aren't announced

or wait

[stuck bane]

Maybe if you include origin form giratina, otherwise no

Missing dragon types: (11 slots)
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Guzzlord
Naganadel

[hidden relic]

does my math suck

[next flare]

I thought it was 15

[stuck bane]

No, it’s 15 slots left, 13 in a row and 474 and 475

[hidden relic]

yeyee my math DOES suck

[full bison]

we'd have to include prevos,so that's 13

[zealous lichen]

so does mine lol

[stuck bane]

IT DOES

[hidden relic]

Don't do math after work

[stuck bane]

Drag is 2, Zygarde is 3, naga is 2, all others are 1 (4 of them), 4+2+2+3=11

[zealous lichen]

hopefully more announcements get announced soon lol

[clear lichen]

The likelihood that 13 of the remaining 15 Pokemon are the remaining Dragons are as high as the chances of all 15 slots being the Ultra Beasts+Cosmog line

[stuck bane]

Oh right arent all ultra beasts also 11?

[clear lichen]

Yes, there are 11 Ultra Beasts

[stuck bane]

Also I know all dragons is near impossible I’m just saying it is possible

[clear lichen]

It isn't near impossible, it's flat out impossible imo

[full bison]

It just feels weird to me that we have Necrozma without any other UBs, I'll be honest

[clear lichen]

There is literally 0 way they'd add them

[stuck bane]

It is possible if frog feels like trolling, and he could

[hot hamlet]

Necrozma’s not an UB

[clear lichen]

I wouldn't complain

[zealous lichen]

I personally dont care for the UB's

[clear lichen]

But it is not gonna happen

[stuck bane]

Unlikely? 1000%. But he could

[hot hamlet]

He’s just an adjacent monster. Not affected by Beast Ball

[clear lichen]

Necrozma is complicated

[stuck bane]

If he really wanted to add every dragon he could that’s all I’m saying

[clear lichen]

In some sources, it is an Ultra Beast

In others, it isn't

[stuck bane]

Does a beast ball work on it

[clear lichen]

Iirc, it gets caught by the Beast Ball in the manga

[full bison]

It's literally what used to be the Ultra Spece's sun. I don't care if the Beast ball doesn't work on it, lorewise it has the same multidimensional origin as the UBs

[clear lichen]

But it doesnt have the increased catch rate in games

It's even more ambiguous than the Cosmog line since that you can argue that they aren't UBs as Beast Balls have never been shown working on them

[hot hamlet]

Tbf I never really liked UBs as a concept.
You’re taking what is explicitly a non-Pokémon and making it a special category of Pokémon

[clear lichen]

No, they are Pokemon

[full bison]

It's a type of pokemon from a different dimension

[clear lichen]

They're just aliens at the same time

[hot hamlet]

It’s be like if you could catch Bitter Cold or Dark Matter from the Mystery Dungeon games

[clear lichen]

It's like how people imagine aliens as all sorts of weird shit

[full bison]

If Deoxys can be a Pokemon despite being an alien, Creatures from a separate dimension are fair game

[clear lichen]

Yeah, alien Pokemon aren't exactly a new concept

Clefairy and Elgyem lines are other examples

One comes from the moon and the other comes from who knows where

[full bison]

Starmie's implied to be an alien too IIRC

[clear lichen]

Just imagine that but they look a lot more alien

[hot hamlet]

Aliens are still part of the Pokémon universe.
UB are literally extra-dimensional, if not extra-versal
They should not be comparable to things with the Pokemon universe’s logic

[full bison]

That's like saying Spider-Gwen can't be a Spiderman because she's not from the prime Marvel universe

Flawed AF logic

[clear lichen]

There is 0 evidence to suggest that they aren't from this universe

[hot hamlet]

Wrong take.
They should not be Pokémon. They should be their own category as Pokémon don’t exist in their worlds.

[clear lichen]

Actually would universe and dimension here be interchangeable?

People tend to use them either interchangeably

Or non interchangeably

[full bison]

Pokemon exist in their world, they just don't call them Pokemon

[hot hamlet]

Sun and Moon are parallel universes so yeah

[zealous lichen]

for me its more that their designs dont line up at all with anything else you will see in the games

[clear lichen]

Autocorrect is fucking me in my ass holy shit

[full bison]

Do you think there's no water in Mexico because they call it Agua?

[hot hamlet]

(Evidence: Altar of the Sun/Moon)

[clear lichen]

Why is it whenever I type "mon" it autocorrects to "non" and vice versa

[hot hamlet]

Mine makes mom or Mona so don’t think you’re alone about autocorrect

Damn, my mental autocorrect is working overdrive today

[full bison]

Besides, Guzzlord IS from a separate timeline. We know this because of the Ultra Ruin being a post-apocalyptic Hau'oli

[hot hamlet]

I think the problem is they are treated with the same logic as something beyond their capacity.
You could argue by crossing over, they become susceptible to Pokémon Universe logic, but USUM proved even in their own realities they are confined to the logic of the PU.
UBs should be eldritch beings like how Eternamax Eternatus can’t be caught because he is incompatible with Pokeball technology, not equal to a Ratatta.

[clear lichen]

Except Eternamax Eternatus is caught after it is beat the living shit out of, just that it went back into the 1st form and Eternamax cannot be accessed

Is Eternamax not used because it'd break the pokeball or because it'd be a disaster that completely contrasts with the reason you even caught it?

Hmm

It's not like the player gives a shit about the latter

Using Pokemon like the Primals and Origins

[full bison]

look man, I dunno what to say. Ultra Space is very clearly established to be as much of a part of the Pokemon cosmology as any other part of it. The UBs can be caught with Pokeballs, listen to trainers, learn moves, and have types. Poipole is described as a Starter. They're Pokemon, just from a separate dimension.

[fathom ridge]

I would cause the apocalypse if that meant winning at a sport

[clear lichen]

(Realistically it is because it has like 1125 BST)

[hot hamlet]

SM was a lot more eldritch in its explanation. USUM reconned a lot of things with the UB and that really feels like some of those changes. It just doesn’t sit well with me and we’ll have to agree to disagree here

[fathom ridge]

Does it really matter if UB are or aren’t Pokémon

[clear lichen]

No

Lol

[full bison]

USUM didn't change the logic behind UBs at all. We just learned more about where they come from. They're just weird animals that live in a different universe.

[clear lichen]

They are, but who cares

Apart from like half the fanbase

From what I've seen

[full bison]

That's why you could catch like 4 Kartanas and Pheromosas. They're different species, not eldrich horrors

[clear lichen]

Also they aren't even THAT weird

We've had hella weird Pokemon before

[hot hamlet]

Look, if they wanted them to be Pokémon they should have called them Pokémon and not “these things that are not Pokemon” which is actually stated at one point.
Aside from being treated as a separate category from normal mons

[fathom ridge]

Pokémon is just an arbitrary category that humans in that word made up, the word “animal” doesn’t refer to a real thing when you think about it

[clear lichen]

(Definitely at the upper end though)

[full bison]

So should the Paradox Pokemon not have been referred to as Paradox Pokemon by your logic?

[clear lichen]

They're still referred to as Pokemon

That's the issue they have

With UBs

[fathom ridge]

This is one of the weirdest internet arguments I’ve seen

[clear lichen]

Though, in the actual story, they were in fact treated like eldritch abominations instead of Pokemon

Despite the fact that they aren't very different from actual existing Pokemon

Bro grew feathers

It's not that deep

[hot hamlet]

No because they are still Pokémon.
But when your marketing says “these are not Pokémon” then they should not be treated as such.
Even so much as saying “not like any Pokémon I’ve ever seen” would have been enough but they WANT to treat them as alien even to the concept of Pokémon, but still consider them Pokémon

It’s a case of “have your cake and eat it too” and I hate it

[fathom ridge]

They are in the Pokédex so that has to count for something

Tbh I’m not sure what a Pokémon is in this context

[clear lichen]

Imo, they're Pokemon, just that, as with the Paradoxes, they weren't really treated as Pokemon initially

Idk what counts as a Pokemon either it's kinda just what the NPCs say

[fathom ridge]

Paradox forms are 100 percent Pokémons, they are just old or from the future

[clear lichen]

And even then, they can be wrong

Like you cannot tell me they saw slightly spikier Donphan

And went "WOAH WHAT IS THAT BEAST IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A POKEMON"

[hot hamlet]

Even the Paradox were treated as mysterious creatures in line with other examples (“it looks like a Donphan but…”)
But the UB don’t have even that

[zealous lichen]

actually they are neither lol but I dont want to ruin the DLC story

[fathom ridge]

Ultra beast are awesome I hope they come back someday

[clear lichen]

If it has a Pokemon type and moves, it's a Pokemon since there isn't even any direct definition of a Pokemon

[hot hamlet]

(To the tune of the SEGA logo)||tulpas||

[clear lichen]

Frfr

[fathom ridge]

Wait you are right ||they were from a dream or something right?||

[clear lichen]

Ignore the props in Pokestar Studios fr

[clear lichen]

||No, just an alternate timeline||

||Or something like that||

[fathom ridge]

Holy moly that’s epic

[zealous lichen]

yeah its pretty cool and I love them

[stuck bane]

Wait

[hot hamlet]

Another weird case. They tried to double down on time travel while simultaneously bringing in alternate timelines and dreams and stuff.
Almost like they tried to confirm the fan theories while simultaneously still calling them time travel mons

[stuck bane]

Yeah cause dream theory was one

But I think what you said was correct

[fathom ridge]

Soooo ||what happens to the robot professors at the end of the game then?||

[clear lichen]

I dont even think the game said anything about dreams

[zealous lichen]

im happy they never did time travel

[clear lichen]

||Sent to an alternate timeline, I'd guess||

[stuck bane]

It didn’t it was fan predictions before the DLC

[hot hamlet]

They kept it vague, but ||professor gets their copy of the book from you in a stable time loop||

[fathom ridge]

I really hope we see them on a legends game randomly there

[clear lichen]

||If the machine is actually pulling things from different timelines instead of different times in the same timeline||

[hot hamlet]

Yeah the fan theory was the Paradoxes were Tulpas, or thoughts given form

[zealous lichen]

I never knew that

[fathom ridge]

Could you imagine if the professors showed up in a PMD game

[zealous lichen]

PMD?

[hot hamlet]

Fun fact: Espeon is a Tulpa as it is a Carbuncle. A creature believed to be real with little to no evidence backing it up.
Explorers thought about them so much they were common to “see” on voyages

[clear lichen]

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon

[fathom ridge]

What are tulpas?

[hot hamlet]

Thoughts given form

Imaginary friends, etc

[zealous lichen]

I had never heard of that before

[fathom ridge]

Now that’s a weird English word

[feral bear]

Its not necessarily time travel and its not necessarily dreams, it was just a paradox

[clear lichen]

badum tss

That said, most of these do not look very paradoxical

[fathom ridge]

That what they are called!!!!

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

[stuck bane]

Yeah it’s been years or something at this point right

[zealous lichen]

the only paradox there was, was the book loop

[stuck bane]

Wasn’t PLA 2021

[clear lichen]

2021 or 2022

But I forgot which

[stuck bane]

I think 2022

[clear lichen]

Definitely late 2021 or early 2022

[fathom ridge]

3 years ago

[clear lichen]

I LOVE TYPOS

[fallen loom]

LA came out in Feb

the same year as SV

[stuck bane]

Yeah but when did those come out

[fallen loom]

2 years ago

[clear lichen]

2022

[zealous lichen]

are we going 2 years with no pokemon games at all?

[hot hamlet]

2 years

[fathom ridge]

LA sounds like Los Angeles even if I know what you are talking about

[clear lichen]

January 28

[stuck bane]

Yes it was 2022 ok

[clear lichen]

I checked dw

[fallen loom]

DLC counts as a new game, since SwSh did the same thing

[zealous lichen]

oh I dont really count that

[fathom ridge]

DLC has kinda replaced second versions

[stuck bane]

So yeah 2 years, anyways spoilers for a 2 year old game really shouldn’t matter

[fallen loom]

for the worse

[clear lichen]

When you put it that way

[zealous lichen]

I guess we did get Snap as well

which was actually a ton of fun

[stuck bane]

By the standards of TPC maybe

[fathom ridge]

I like that they didn’t release legends ZA this year, that’s dope

[fallen loom]

if SwSh got a second version the game would have benefited from it, like Pokémon walking behind out in the main bit of Galar

[full bison]

Instead of paying $40 after a year of waiting you now have to pay $90 for a full Pokemon experience

[hot hamlet]

But it is weird we have next to nothing except the announcement vid for ZA
That said this is what it was like before XY. When they gave their employees time to cook on the games

[clear lichen]

What was the given date I forgot

All I remember is 2025

[hot hamlet]

That’s all we have

[full bison]

There isn't a given date aside from 2025

[hot hamlet]

I expect November

[clear lichen]

Let's hope for late 2025

[fallen loom]

also SV having that boarded off bit for no reason, since the DLC doesn't take place anywhere near Paldea

[zealous lichen]

shouldnt we also get Gen 10 next year though?

[fathom ridge]

I wishhhhh pls don’t be January pls don’t be January

[zealous lichen]

since its 3 years between release of the new Gens

[hot hamlet]

The lack of promos in recent directs make me think we’ll start seeing those early next year, with game in late

[full bison]

I just wanna know what the ZA starters are, hopefully we'll get a more in depth trailer soon

[stuck bane]

Don’t get your hopes up, legends ZA release being backed to next year matches with the switch 2 being pushed back to next year. Also that’s the same time between announcement and release of PLA, which was good not great

[fallen loom]

I would rather they didn't pull another SV and leave it a year

[zealous lichen]

what do you mean? its always a 3 year cycle

[hot hamlet]

That was the focus of their recent changes

[fallen loom]

it doesn't have to be

[clear lichen]

It does if they're being put on a deadline

[hot hamlet]

People were pissed at SV’s performance and so they said they’d give the games a longer dev time

[fathom ridge]

They need to leave the game in the oven for longer

[fallen loom]

the mistake they made last time is jumping ship, so SV had worse mechanics than LA due to being developed at the same time

[stuck bane]

Or are they just saying that like they did with swsh animations

[clear lichen]

OK seriously I think I'm the only person who didn't have any performance issues or major glitches with SV

[fathom ridge]

Pls let TPM learn pls pls pls

[zealous lichen]

Oh I didnt either

[hot hamlet]

The fact we have no new info is a sign as something changed internally

[fathom ridge]

I didn’t have epilepsy level glitches but I did have lag

[clear lichen]

Simply don't memory leak frfr

If I had lag I didn't notice it

[full bison]

At least some of the glitches were funny

[clear lichen]

Idk how I'd not notice it but hey

[fallen loom]

SV would have been better if we only got LA content in 2022

[fathom ridge]

They were very funny, I’m kinda sad I didn’t get funny glitches

[clear lichen]

The only glitch I can remember was after beating Bombirdeer, and the time of day fast forwarded like 12 hours as it was fainting

It was pretty funny

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s the problem, we haven’t even seen any gameplay of PLZA, we can’t assume it’s automatically gonna be good just because the legends title was slapped onto it

[zealous lichen]

I know if you played in handheld mode it had less glitches

[hot hamlet]

We got LA in 2022. If we had DLC for LA in 23 maybe that

[grave jolt]

Pokemon would be better if they spent 5 years on the game instead of 1

[fathom ridge]

I don’t care if they look like shit, if they had more content and less lag it would be goooood

[hot hamlet]

Yep. We’re all waiting with bated breath for ZA followed by Gen X

[zealous lichen]

I dont think thats true as all look at Starfield

long development times dont mean good games

[fallen loom]

LA looks BETTER than SV

[full bison]

my favorite funny glitch was the one where the player walked towards Clive with the "wading through shallow water" animation all while the Clive theme played.

[fathom ridge]

No I mean that i wouldn’t care if SV still looked bad

[hot hamlet]

True but the he Pokémon games before the change to yearly with XY had a consistency at least. And those had longer dev times of 2-3 years

[fallen loom]

SV lighting system makes it hard to tell a lot of shinies apart from non-shinies like Gible, despite the fact it was still obvious in LA... also the shiny noise

[stuck bane]

Any bugs I had for SV were minor ones, like wild espathra phasing through characters during a cutscene

[grave jolt]

Imagine what starfield would have been like with 1 year of dev time

[fathom ridge]

Anyways new Pokémon

[stuck bane]

Unova, thanks for coming to my ted talk

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/unova-pokemon-pokemon-black-and-white-b2w2-unova-pokemon-gif-7340830697326558389

[clear lichen]

I dont care a lot about graphics usually, unless it was like actual terrible graphics, like dogshit with literally 0 effort

[fathom ridge]

Pachirisu isn’t from unova

[clear lichen]

For example imagine you're playing like

Elden Ring

[zealous lichen]

I have no real connections to any of the pokemon from that gen lol

[full bison]

Dev time isn't really the big issue with games nowadays. The problem is design by committee

[clear lichen]

Except you can only see hitboxes

And that's the graphics

[fallen loom]

SV was awful for shiny hunting, since the lighting made it harder to tell and there were troll shinies like Tandemaus

[clear lichen]

Shit like that

[zealous lichen]

I got my first shiny ever in SV

[grave jolt]

Unova is half my list

[fathom ridge]

My favorite Mon is from unova now that I realize

[hot hamlet]

Industry-wise: yes. Japanese games-wise? No. The companies are known for “crunch time=best time”

[clear lichen]

My first shinies were in LA because I don't shiny hunt and my luck is ass

My next batch of shinies were in SV

[grave jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1281501319592677376/image.png?ex=66e4845b&is=66e332db&hm=4b76238127f228d94540d76b7bb66928358d334569fb7f2c6a0e6c16203cca96&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=506&height=681

[full bison]

I at least appreciate the textures SV used for Pokemon. It singlehandedly redeemed Shiny Scizor and Forretress

[fallen loom]

a lot of those are in

[fathom ridge]

I respect ribombee

[zealous lichen]

I some how never got one in LA until after I got one in SV

[hot hamlet]

Think your luck is ass, whenever I get a shiny, something tech-related goes wrong in a way I lose it.
Last time was a save wipe on all my Switch Pokémon games!

[stuck bane]

Yeah it’s a full 30 list, so slots like starters are already in

[zealous lichen]

I have horrible shiny luck

[fathom ridge]

I got a gogoat shiny and I was so happy

In SV

[zealous lichen]

I got Dratini

[hot hamlet]

Only things unaffected are mons that are meant to be Shiny like the Haxorus

[clear lichen]

Also I'm pretty sure SV was one of the generally best games to shiny hunt in due to sandwiches

[grave jolt]

15 of the 30 slots are already taken, but they're not in the game yet.

[clear lichen]

Just that you won't hear the shiny jingle which would make things harder

[fallen loom]

I'm telling you, at least 4 of those slots will be for Legendary mon

[fathom ridge]

New conversation, What are the best shinys?

[zealous lichen]

I am not sure

[clear lichen]

Cosmog, Cosmoem, Lunala, Solgaleo, let's go

Frfr

[full bison]

I have a shiny Dreepy, Goomy, Weavile, and IronValiant. I had two Iron Valiants but gave the other to a friend. Shiny Sandwiches are crazy

[stuck bane]

Oh you haven’t seen horrible shiny luck

My first shiny I ever encountered was a shiny geodude

It took all the way from heartgold to PLA for me to catch my first shiny for good

[fallen loom]

try doing it in a cave full of Gible

[clear lichen]

Gible's shiny is decently noticeable

[grave jolt]

Zyguarde 10%, Zyguarde 50%, Zyguarde Complete, Mega Rayquazza

[fathom ridge]

Haha shiny go boom

[fallen loom]

not in SV

[clear lichen]

Though tbf I'm not a shiny hunter and don't know how hard it is to spot in a different lighting

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/rayquaza-gif-22751849

[stuck bane]

But why do you assume that? 1 or 2 I could see but even with 50 slots of additions the main vote last time only had 4 (barring special cases like meloetta or staff pick cresselia)

[clear lichen]

That said, with how easy it seems to get shinies, you can afford to miss one or two

[stuck bane]

With 30, I’m expecting 3 or less

[hot hamlet]

I ran into a Shiny Flabebe by chance as I couldn’t see the thing in SV. So tiny I only entered battle because I got stopped while running on Koraidon

[fallen loom]

Cosmog line because of Necrozma

[clear lichen]

That's only if you're shiny hunting though if you aren't that's gonna suck lol

[fathom ridge]

That sounds like the funniest thing ever

[grave jolt]

If we get the X/Y trio it's 5 slots

[full bison]

I had a shiny Porygon but it was stolen when I tried trade evolving it. Guy said he wanted to get the Dubious Disc to give me a fully evolved Porygon-Z but just left and never talked to me again

[zealous lichen]

that was my grip with some of the pokemon they were so small it was easy to miss them

[full bison]

I hunted another one later tho

[stuck bane]

I hope you’re right, I’d love to see lunala, but idk I don’t want to set up expectations

[fathom ridge]

This is truly tragic

[fallen loom]

inverted colour Pokémon are the best shinies too

[zealous lichen]

Trade evolutions need to go to hell

[clear lichen]

Well at least the size was realistic

[clear lichen]

True

They have only fixed it in a single player game

[grave jolt]

imagine:
Xerneas, Yveltol, Zyguarde 10%, Zyguarde 50%, Zyguarde Complete, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Lunala, Sogaleo, and 6 monkies

[clear lichen]

So it's clear they don't want them to go anywhere

Because something something power of friendship

Power of friendship when I can't get Nintendo Online due to region:

[full bison]

But what about those of us who don't have IRL friends?

[stuck bane]

There have been multiple other times.

I “restarted” my game on platinum and caught a shiny Bidoof on the first route, but I couldn’t save my game

Then I was SOS hunting in SM and pretty sure I accidentally killed a shiny pikipek

[clear lichen]

Simply use the power of friendship (I don't have friends either lmao)

[fallen loom]

I mean wild FE trade mon exist in the open now

[clear lichen]

True

Wild trade mons are the best

[stuck bane]

Replace monkeys with 6 slots of genies and you’re on cloud 9 copium

[fathom ridge]

I remember shiny hunting in moon and getting an eevee

[fallen loom]

or even replace them with 6 UBs

[grave jolt]

ah good, The Legends Update

[fathom ridge]

I got a few goodies in my save file

[clear lichen]

No, that's for the Ultra Space expansion copium

Featuring all UBs and the Cosmog line

[stuck bane]

You thought you were gonna get normal Pokémon? Haha, fuck you!

[grave jolt]

9 starters, 3 Pseudos, Carbink, and 15 legendaries

[stuck bane]

You already got cosmog line, we don’t need you dominating slots again

[fallen loom]

you forgot sonething

[grave jolt]

Lurantis wondering how it got here

[stuck bane]

How dumb would it be if it were every UB plus cosmog line though

[silent acorn]

OH MY GOD ITS

[clear lichen]

Very dumb but I'd be very happy

[hot hamlet]

“Jokes on you we added the Unova Starters too, but put them right after the Kalos starters just to piss off the people with OCD”

[silent acorn]

People

[clear lichen]

I like all of the UBs, the entire Cosmog line and especially Lunala

[stuck bane]

I’d accept it for randomized nuzlocke shenanigans

[full bison]

The ultimate Copium would be every remaining starter being added with the sole exception of Emboring

[silent acorn]

That's fine, screw em

[clear lichen]

It is never gonna happen

[grave jolt]

I'd die that day 😔

[silent acorn]

Emboar is weird

[clear lichen]

Random Emboar slander

[silent acorn]

But I like it better than grumpig

[full bison]

Slander implies it's a lie

[clear lichen]

Random Grumpig slander

[fallen loom]

we need more FIghting Types! JUST Emboar!

[hot hamlet]

I used Emboar both times in Unova, but even then I was disappointed after Tepig and Pignite

[fallen loom]

Grumpig is such a forgettable mon, like Baltoy

[clear lichen]

Emboar is honestly in a playthrough the best Unova starter

That however says jack shit

It is competing with Samurott and Serperior

[silent acorn]

Ayo don't group porkus with Actually Biblically Accurate Civilization

[stuck bane]

Don’t you ever speedrun the best starter is Lillipup

[grave jolt]

Give me the Spheal line 5 times

[clear lichen]

I've heard of that

[silent acorn]

It is nearly starter quality yeah

[clear lichen]

But if you aren't speedrunning but still doing a challenge run like a Nuzlocke

I suspect you'd pick Tepig every single time

[full bison]

I love Lillipup so much

[clear lichen]

Because man Samurott's kinda mid

[full bison]

It's just a lil guy

[clear lichen]

And Serperior is straight ass

[hot hamlet]

I just want Ice cream or cake puppy. I’ll gladly sit back and watch you guys fight to the death for your choices if either of those get in

[silent acorn]

Maybe

[clear lichen]

In playthroughs ofc

[silent acorn]

But I like the samurai otter

[grave jolt]

If we ever get Lillipup I'll immediatly use it

[fallen loom]

what if all slots are Gen 3 mon and they want to complete each gen in order now

[clear lichen]

And actually all 3 kinda suck in competitive in Gen 5

[silent acorn]

And Serperior is pretty fine only non poison snake

[clear lichen]

No Contrary Serperior is a very sad Pokemon

[full bison]

I most want Mienshao but would also be fine with Musharna or my absurd UB cope

[clear lichen]

Barely any coverage

And your best bet is SubSeed with Glare

[silent acorn]

Nearly all of them with vanilla abilities are

[clear lichen]

Glare's fucking amazing though

[silent acorn]

Like every single LAST STARTER

[clear lichen]

Swampert :/

[fallen loom]

there's a ground snake in Gen 8, a rock snake in gen 1 and a normal and steel snake in gen 2

[silent acorn]

Overgrow, blaze and Torrent

[clear lichen]

Swampert was so good that they gave it Damp to slow it down

Fr

[full bison]

Glare is an amazing move that's never used because everything with it is either mid or bad

[silent acorn]

Nah swampert is badass because second type

[clear lichen]

Contrary Serperior

[stuck bane]

So use it with fusions!

[grave jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1224490790449844336/1224490790601097286/718.719.png?ex=66e4c16a&is=66e36fea&hm=cb0f10a84331fba59dd356532c7ba988af6a74f128e0676fce9f8e8fb488a291&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's about it

Oh right

[silent acorn]

But I love swampert anyway

[clear lichen]

Zygarde is also insane

Coil Zygarde is so scary

[full bison]

Zygarde just facetanks everything then boosts up to surpass God

[clear lichen]

Imagine that but you're slower and cannot move 25% of the time

[stuck bane]

I think number 500 is gonna be something big, like victini or Zygarde complete, some people have even said nihilego

[grave jolt]

GIMME Z LEGENDARY

[silent acorn]

No

Denied

[molten loom]

It might be a troll though

[clear lichen]

Zygarde kinda sucks against special moves though

[full bison]

Victini makes sense for a 500k celebration

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-perfect-zygarde-zygarde-perfect-pokemon-pokemon-xy-gif-6971736008687605923

[clear lichen]

Average special bulk, maybe somewhat above that for like an OU context

[fallen loom]

slot 500 is going to be Alomomola

[clear lichen]

But this guy's gonna be in Ubers

[silent acorn]

Bold claim, wanna back it up?

[stuck bane]

But why would it be? It’s not a 69 or 420 funny number

[clear lichen]

Zygarde's biggest weaknesses are Ice, Fairy and Special moves

[stuck bane]

picture of Alomomola using its fins to flip you off

[clear lichen]

And Toxic

[fallen loom]

420 + 11 + 69 = funny number

[clear lichen]

And its initial passivity

[hot hamlet]

Big celebration, highly anticipated mon=funny meme/troll mon.
It’s like how Vivillon is the 666th mon

[silent acorn]

What is this thing Pachi Girl?

[grave jolt]

Greninja Zygarde fusion stats

[silent acorn]

No the app or website

[clear lichen]

You only go into Complete form at 50% HP

And base Zygarde doesn't have quite as much bulk

With Greninja being extremely frail, you might just die instantly

[stuck bane]

With how slots work in PIF, complete may need to be its own slot like UN needing its own 470 slot

[grave jolt]

oh I found it via discord search

[stuck bane]

However that means I could encounter complete Zygarde in randomized

[fallen loom]

I like 10% form Zygarde because it's one of 5 doggos left: Poochyena, Mightyena, Electrike, Manectric and 10% Zygarde

[clear lichen]

Well, it isn't balanced around being a transformation you can have at any time

[grave jolt]

Prob GSheets, since you can do a weighted average

[stuck bane]

Kid named Stoutland

[clear lichen]

Unlike Ultra Necrozma which only needs a Z Crystal

[silent acorn]

Hm

[full bison]

Don't forget Lillipup

[clear lichen]

Ultra Necrozma's actually nerfed here

Since the Z Crystal only allows the transformation

[silent acorn]

Ghost Stoutlant

The dream

[clear lichen]

And doesn't let you use Light That Burns the Sky

[silent acorn]

The boi

[stuck bane]

Yeah I’m saying the code of this game may have to make it so even though gamefreak didn’t balance it around us

[grave jolt]

I'm looking for a Zygarde base atm

[fallen loom]

so H Zoroark?

[grave jolt]

for a thing I wanna do

[stuck bane]

Zoro is a fox right?

[full bison]

Ghost Stoutland would be Houndstone I think

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/seviper-carnivine-pokemon-shmoovin-groovy-gif-22546614

[silent acorn]

There is no H Zoroark in this world bub

[clear lichen]

They definitely would either add Zygarde Complete normally, nerf it and let it be Complete all the time or not add it at all

[silent acorn]

Only

Genglant

[clear lichen]

Depending on what is possible

[fallen loom]

Ghost/Normal Stoutland IS H Zoroark

[grave jolt]

Compromise: Just have us collect the cells

[clear lichen]

I'd assume that they could program Zygarde Complete work as usual

[silent acorn]

What language must you be speaking? There Is only one Zoroark

[clear lichen]

Or well

The code already existing would do that

[silent acorn]

In this reality

[stuck bane]

Is this the real life

[full bison]

Not sure how I feel about another Zygarde Cell collectathon

[stuck bane]

Or is it just fantasy

[stuck bane]

Yeah but if it’s funny

[silent acorn]

No, it's the simulation

[grave jolt]

"There's 100 cells, one is in each of the floors of Sky Pillar and one is on Mt Silver"

[silent acorn]

Where anything goes

[hot hamlet]

Caught in a landslide

With no escape from reality

[fallen loom]

remember when the normal GL in USUM broke into people's homes just to put stickers on their walls?

[full bison]

Open your eyes

[silent acorn]

Lemme fix that quest
"There is 100 cells, you must wait one day at a time to obtain a cell from this boss fight you can only do once per day, if you lose there is no cell"

[full bison]

look up to the skies and see

[grave jolt]

lmao

[silent acorn]

That's just the windows background

We are in the PC

[clear lichen]

At most, I could see collecting the cells be necessary to get Power Construct

But not allow you to have permanent 100% form

[fallen loom]

look up into the skies and PC

[grave jolt]

It's R.E.D but called B.L.U.E and it has really good fusions

[clear lichen]

Which would be even worse than not needing to collect cells to get Power Construct

[hot hamlet]

I’m just a poor mon!

I need no sympathy

[silent acorn]

No mons?

Art Thou Monless?

[clear lichen]

I come back to people singing Bohemian Rhapsody but with Pokemon terms

[full bison]

Cause i'm easy come, easy go

Little high, little low

[fallen loom]

what if there was a request from a trainer in Pallet Town to collect all 100 cells and the reward is the TM Spore?

[clear lichen]

Depends on the distubution

If a fast mon now learns Spore, I am going to instantly explode

Not literally though

Since I'd be asleep

And then murdered in my sleep

[fallen loom]

some trainers give you cells, while others are reprisented by green Poké Balls

[clear lichen]

And then my family will be put to sleep and murdered one by one

[full bison]

Spore is banned in Showdown I think. Either that or Prankster

[grave jolt]

Imagine Ninjask got Spore

[fallen loom]

just make Spore a huge pain to get

[full bison]

or both

[clear lichen]

Showdown players are dead

[fallen loom]

like it takes 200 hours to get it

[clear lichen]

Spore is generally not broken because it is on slow mons like Amoonguss

Or on a Pokemon whose ability screws it over like Toedscruel

[grave jolt]

Wimsicott/Ninjask is pretty good spore setter

[fallen loom]

Spore is a TM in this game, just unused

[clear lichen]

Wait does the showdown allow you to use unused TMs

That'd be pretty dumb imo

[last pecan]

speaking of showdown, frog should show us that new reveal, id be down for that

[grave jolt]

Yes, I've put return on a pixilate Sylveon

[full bison]

I just want the Dazzling Gleam TM to pop up somewhere in the midgame. Using Togetic without it is pain

[clear lichen]

I dont want to think of Toedscruel in PIF

[fallen loom]

why does Showdown get more rites than me?

[fallen loom]

also the lack of Light Screen, yet Reflect is a thing is baffling

[clear lichen]

Toedscruel is a fast Spore setter, except it isn't because its ability makes its status moves have negative priority

Being able to remove that ability would be catastrophic

[molten loom]

||||

[fallen loom]

the TMs should have been fixed ages ago

[clear lichen]

Thankfully it can't be added

[last pecan]

what

where

[full bison]

Or how about the lack of Draco Meteor? Special Dragons are forced to eat Dragon Pulse

[molten loom]

[clear lichen]

Imo, they shouldn't make new TMs

[last pecan]

[clear lichen]

Especially not of moves like Spore or QD

[grave jolt]

Love this game. There's nothing this trainer can do to stop me; I'm gonna toxic stall them to death.

[last pecan]

im desperate

[clear lichen]

I've seen QD in the TMs list

[fallen loom]

not talking about new ones, I mean ones in the game, just not accessible

[clear lichen]

Idk if it even is obtainable

But it shouldn't

[silent acorn]

The hell is that deoxys fusion

[clear lichen]

Those are new TMs

They don't exist outside of PIF, I mean

[grave jolt]

Looks like Machamp

[clear lichen]

And they shouldn't, at least not ones of Spore and Quiver Dance

Those 2 moves are 2 moves you should never distribute blindly, and with Whimsicott learning Spore, I don't think that they really put much thought apart from thematics into it

[full bison]

The possibility of Simple Quiver Dance existing is enough to induce insomnia

[grave jolt]

Here's every unobtainable move

[clear lichen]

That said, they are unobtainable

[fallen loom]

Poison Spikes, Rock Slide, Light Screen, Dazzling Gleam, Stone Edge, Return and Volt Switch should be normally obtainable

[clear lichen]

Volcarona fused with a Simple mon

[clear lichen]

Wait is QD actually obtainable

I swear there was a QD TM

Am I stupid

[molten loom]

Pretty sure kurt gives you it

[grave jolt]

Flying Gym reward

I think

[clear lichen]

Idk I mostly play rando nowadays

[grave jolt]

Azalea town

[clear lichen]

... Quiver Dance is a Bug move?

[molten loom]

Yeah kurt does

[fallen loom]

I'll never get how this wasn't rectified

[full bison]

at least it's postgame

[grave jolt]

I'm mostly upset about TMs 27, 72, and 103.

[clear lichen]

Looking at the available moves, the only ones I disagree with their existences are Quiver Dance and Spore

They're simply too broken to have as a TM

[fallen loom]

the TMs thing is why I don't play legit, since if I need debug to get Rock and Electric coverage, why should I play legit?

[grave jolt]

You can get Spore in game, just not as a TM.

[clear lichen]

Especially Spore

[fallen loom]

Spore is broken

add the rest

add a TM counter to Goldenrod

[clear lichen]

Yeah but it being an unused TM gave grounds for using Spore Whimsicott in Showdown, it seems

And it needs to be removed entirely imo

Spore was never balanced around being given to a fast Pokemon

[fallen loom]

replace Spore with Energy Ball or something

[grave jolt]

Whimsicott gets spore as a levelup move

[clear lichen]

If anything with an existent speed stat has it, it invalidates everything slower than it

[full bison]

Spore Whimsicott is actually the grossest thing ever

[clear lichen]

... What the fuck, Infinite Fusion devs?

Well

QUIVER DANCE ORICORIO COPIUM GO

[full bison]

Dracovish and Flutter Mane are less absurd than that

[clear lichen]

Whimsicott getting Spore as level up removes any reason for Pokemon like Ribombee and Slurpuff needing breeding to get Sticky Webs

Just add it to their level up moves

At least they learn it in the first place

[fallen loom]

dang, gingerbread man fluffy coat-wearing mon is kinda broken

[full bison]

Spore doesn't even make sense on Whimsicott. It's not a mushroom

[grave jolt]

nvm I was mistaken

it gets like 5 other spore moves, just missed the word before spore on one

[green laurel]

whimsicott doesnt get spore as a lvl move

[grave jolt]

I just corrected myself

[clear lichen]

True, it is clear that Spore (specifically Spore) is intended to be like mushroom spores since only mushroom related Pokemon can learn it

All of which having low speed, so that they don't beat every Pokemon in the game excluding Grass types

Giving it to Whimsicott is evil

[fallen loom]

and you're punished for evolving Breloom early

[clear lichen]

Don't even bother using Prankster, since Whimsicott has high speed anyways

And you want to Spore everything, Dark types included

[grave jolt]

116 speed spore user

[fallen loom]

[clear lichen]

Now imagine that except it was fused to a Pokemon with actual speed

116 is already extremely obnoxious

In fact, 116 speed Spore is already the sort of thing you'd expect to be banned to Ubers

[grave jolt]

It also has Infiltrator

[full bison]

Not just 116 speed Spore, 116 speed Spore in conjunction with Speed Boost.

[clear lichen]

Spore better be banned on the Showdown

That's all I'm gonna say

[fallen loom]

also remove the TM

[clear lichen]

Heck, ban it from AG for all I care

[grave jolt]

Need the Sleep Clause

[clear lichen]

Spore on a fundamental level is broken in a fusion fangame

Even more so than moves like Tail Glow and Quiver Dance

[full bison]

I'm honestly surprised Gamefreak still lets Spore exist but they Ixnayed freaking Pursuit and let Ghosts become the worst things ever

[fallen loom]

132 speed Sporer

[clear lichen]

Psychic loses either ways :(

Either they have to be murdered by Pursuit or they have to be murdered by Ghosts

[grave jolt]

13 pokemon in the game total outspeed this.

[clear lichen]

Just one reason out of many why it is the worst type

Anyways I have a new wishlist

Remove the Spore TM

Being unused is not an excuse for being given to fucking Whimsicott

[stuck bane]

So does this mean it is recommended to play with items randomized for a chance at these? Doesnt randomized items give you a chance to soft lock?

[fallen loom]

145

[clear lichen]

There's options to make sure you don't softlock

In fact

[molten loom]

Nah you can't softlock anymore if I'm not mistaken

[grave jolt]

Only with full random items. Also, you can randomize just ground TMs

[clear lichen]

Can you even randomise the HMs

[molten loom]

Nope

[stuck bane]

Oh then hell yeah I’ll do that next time

[clear lichen]

Yeah so you can't even softlock

[full bison]

108 speed Sporer that's immune to Priority

[clear lichen]

Randomisers are hilarious

Just finding a legendary in the grass

[stuck bane]

So wait should I randomize TMs only or all items

[cunning geyser]

Quote.lass made so many adorable sneasel fusions oh my god

Going through all the spriters one by one was such a good idea

[clear lichen]

Idk

[lofty fiber]

I'm sure people have suggested this already, but how are Zangoose and Seviper not in the game yet? They'd make some awesome fusions

[twin phoenix]

I haven't made a lot of sprites, but hopefully they are good enough.

[clear lichen]

This is why humans shouldn't be allowed to play god

[twin phoenix]

People just want stuff like Golisopod more.

[cunning geyser]

Oi, pink, your empoleon fusions have been stellar

Don't think I didn't recognize your name.

[twin phoenix]

[grave jolt]

Correction, 15: Ninjask, Deoxys, Electrode, Crobat, Mewtwo, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Meloetta, Talonflame, Darkrai, Weavile, Noivern, Arceus, Alakazam, and Dugtrio.
Soon Greninja will be added to that list.

[lofty fiber]

Golispod would be fun fusion material

[twin phoenix]

Oh, thank you for taking a look at what I made~

[last pecan]

oh ? skip me

[lofty fiber]

Ooooooh, how about Darmanitan?

Darmanitan X Slaking anyone?

or Machamp

[full bison]

Slaking with Sheer Force is only slightly less scary than Slaking withHuge Power

[grave jolt]

Slaking with Speed Boost

[lofty fiber]

I just thought of Slaking X Regigigas... having to choose between Truant or Slow Start

the pain

[grave jolt]

Regigigas gets Mold Breaker as an HA

[lofty fiber]

true

[grave jolt]

Stance Change slaking would be scary if it started in attack instead of defense

[lofty fiber]

ya just gotta hope you get that I guess

I do think it would be fun or at least interesting to get the Zygarde Cell hunt in the game

the fusion potential of the forms that mon has

[grave jolt]

Hide 10 of the cells before Sabrina, hide another 10 before the Elite 4, hide the rest in areas after the champion

[lofty fiber]

I was actually brainstorming an idea to have it be part of more post-game content, but idk if that's allowed to be talked about in this server (I know it's not this channel)

[clear lichen]

Idk, the higher defence allows you to tank a hit and you automatically change your stance when selecting an attacking move

[stuck bane]

If it involves the addition of a new Pokémon sure

[lofty fiber]

that post-game content I was thinking up would involve a ton more work by the team, not just in the gameplay department

[grave jolt]

"team" it's just frog afaik

[lofty fiber]

Oooooh

[grave jolt]

others can correct me, but it's a solo dev.

[lofty fiber]

yeah, I'm pretty new to the game, only tried it out once someone on another server was playing it

[grave jolt]

Hence the slow dev cycle; One person is working on this project and all the Spaghetti code involved.

[lofty fiber]

either way, a lot of work, so I'm confident in saying there's a less than 1% chance of it happening

[clear lichen]

Bro Oricorio can't use the QD TM

[lofty fiber]

anyway, let's see...

[clear lichen]

I just checked via the Showdown

That's kinda fucking stupid ngl

Anyways I should get back on topic

[grave jolt]

Not to imply you're working slow Frog, if you're reading this! I'm amazed every with update to the game

[clear lichen]

No I get this is a great game

I just like complaining about balancing issues

And Whimsicott getting Spore is a big, big balancing issue

That said, Spore is unimplemented

Whether it is because a place cannot be found for it

Or because it is broken

[outer matrix]

It does?

[clear lichen]

Idk

[hot hamlet]

Nah I’ll say it (jokingly)
But I guess that timeline of “sooner than you think. Just waiting on the contest results” was false

[clear lichen]

Via an unimplemented TM, and it can be used in the Showdown

[hot hamlet]

Which was in response to my prediction of a November release

[clear lichen]

Like I said, idk if it isn't implemented because there isn't a place or because it is broken

But preferably it shouldn't be implemented because of the latter

[grave jolt]

holy shit Whimsicott doesn't get Spore at all in the mainline gen 7 games

[clear lichen]

It doesn't get Spore

Full stop

It never has

[grave jolt]

why does it get spore???

[clear lichen]

If it did, you'd hear people talking about Whimsicott going from a low tier

To Ubers

Or Heck, even AG

[outer matrix]

Foongus can also learn spore, but it isn't in IF currently

[clear lichen]

That's actually balanced

Amoonguss has poor speed

That's how they balanced Spore

[grave jolt]

Gamefreak: "Alright we're hosting an event where we're handing out a special Spore Whimsicott! It's also gurenteed shiny so we'll know if you cheated."

[clear lichen]

Distributing it to slow mons, and to the one not slow Pokemon with Spore, giving it an ability that always makes it move last if using Spore

OK so I checked the Showdown

[grave jolt]

Give spore to Ninjask already, and let it go up like a tier/j

[clear lichen]

The Pokemon that can learn QD by TM that don't usually get it are
Mew
Celebi
Scyther line
Yanma line
Aron line (??????)
Beedrill
Jynx
Ledyba line
Shedinja

[grave jolt]

Shedinja deserves QD for all the punishment it gets in the mainline games

[stuck bane]

You’d also be quivering if you had a 4x weakness to ground and fighting

[clear lichen]

Pokemon that get QD, but not in IF include
Oricorio
Beautifly
Dustox
Wormadam
Mothim
Lilligant
Vivillon
Ribombee
And Pheromosa

Oricorio is in IF, but doesn't get QD as that is a move it gets in Gen 8

Why it doesn't get it by TM, I have 0 clue

Roll with it

[clear lichen]

I'd quiver more if I had a 4× rock weakness

Like a certain dancing bird

[grave jolt]

Poor Shedinja

[outer matrix]

Since tomorrow (or today depending on timezones) is Friday the 13th, could a ghost or dark type pokemon be revealed?

[lofty fiber]

oh, is there a reveal planned?

was?

[grave jolt]

Poor, poor, Shedinja. Not allowed at the mainline competative for being too frail, not allowed in the fangame competative for being to busted.

[lofty fiber]

perhaps it's the Pumpkaboo line, to go with Phantump

[hot hamlet]

Oh shit. I have a doctor’s appointment on the bad day?

[clear lichen]

If it actually had 1 base HP it'd have been more than useless

[outer matrix]

Probably saved for October or something idk

[clear lichen]

For those who don't know, Shedinja has less than 1 base HP

It is actually hardcoded to 1

I'm pretty sure a Pokemon with 0 base HP would have more HP than Shedinja

[stuck bane]

It’s gonna be a dark type unless you think it’s one of these guys

Missing ghost types: (21 or 27 slots)
Jellicent
Gourgeist
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

[clear lichen]

Lunala copium time

(/j I'm not that delusional)

[grave jolt]

I've watched matches where the Shedinja user is down to Shedinja, but the opponent just didn't have the ability to hit it because everything that could was dead.

[stuck bane]

Guys it’s gonna be lunala they’re gonna reveal it at the beginning and not the end

[clear lichen]

Gourgeist stands a good chance

[twin phoenix]

Oricorio's in the game. O o

[stuck bane]

He means in regards to quiver dance

[lofty fiber]

yup

[stuck bane]

Unless you mean in general, yes oricorio made it last vote

[lofty fiber]

Ooh, I know a Dark-Type line who could get in

[twin phoenix]

Oh.

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/oricorio-yellow-cheerleader-bird-dancing-trio-pokemon-anime-gif-2837236795955827168

[lofty fiber]

the Inkay line

[stuck bane]

Malamar would be fun with natural contrary and topsy-turvy

[clear lichen]

Why does Aggron, a Pokemon that looks wholly incapable of dancing and is the very opposite of a bug, capable of learning Quiver Dance

[twin phoenix]

That stinks that mons can't learn moves because they learn them in gens 8+.

[clear lichen]

And then a Pokemon that actually gets Quiver Dance in a later generation

Doesn't

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-silver-flash-canon-aggron-uses-flash-canon-aggron-gif-25527994

[clear lichen]

Don't bullshit me

[stuck bane]

Well this is Gen 7 it does make sense

[clear lichen]

Whimsicott doesn't learn Spore

Aggron doesn't learn Quiver Dance

Heck, most of the Quiver Dancers in IF don't learn Quiver Dance

[twin phoenix]

I'm using Teeter Dance, sorry everyone. x x

[clear lichen]

In fact, it looks like they outnumber the number of Quiver Dance users in base Pokemon

Why

[grave jolt]

Most of the pokemon that can learn QD in mainline can't in IF.

[clear lichen]

Anyways extremely dumb rant aside

[lofty fiber]

maybe they'll fix that in an update or something

7.0 or something like that

[clear lichen]

It is only actually Oricorio from what I can tell

[grave jolt]

IF? Update? Nah, never happening.

[clear lichen]

So it's definitely a nitpick

But still

[stuck bane]

Unless I read it wrong, oricorio can’t learn quiver dance as of Gen 7

[clear lichen]

Aggron's ass is not dancing, nor a bug

[clear lichen]

Aggron can't learn Quiver Dance as of Gen 9

Yet here we are

[stuck bane]

https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/oricorio

[clear lichen]

Having this conversation

[stuck bane]

Frog can manually add abilities, he gave darkrai white smoke, flygon dry skin, etc. as hidden abilities

[grave jolt]

Does Decidueye learn QD? If not it should.

[clear lichen]

None of these Pokemon have ever gotten QD

So why do they have it and Oricorio doesn't

That's the point I'm trying to make

[stuck bane]

But he doesn’t do it a lot and probably won’t go out of his way to manually give ori quiver dance because it got it in Gen 8

I think aggron having quiver dance was a meme from an older version that just carried over

[grave jolt]

Give Blissey and Kangaskhan Population Bomb 😔

[clear lichen]

I'd rather be quad weak to Fighting and Ground than Rock

At least I can swap out of Fighting and Ground moves

I cant swap out of Stealth Rocks

That just kills me

[stuck bane]

I kept trying to tell him the only way to redeem himself was to give meloetta the hidden ability scrappy but he didn’t listen to me

[clear lichen]

💀

[lofty fiber]

I mean... that's how Stealth Rocks works

[clear lichen]

Nah, you trying to make Mega Lopunny 2 or something

[stuck bane]

Alternatively dancer would’ve actually made sense

[outer matrix]

Why scrappy?

[clear lichen]

Exactly why I'd rather be quad weak to Ground and Fighting instead of Rock

[grave jolt]

Wish there was another pokemon in the team before the Boss in Mt Ember so I could set up Stealth 😔

[stuck bane]

No reason

[clear lichen]

Mega Lopunny version 2.0

Now including Choice Band

That's why

I see right through your deceit

[stuck bane]

Does kid named disable just counter any choice item holder?

[grave jolt]

yes

[stuck bane]

Cool

[clear lichen]

It does technically but Disable is extremely bad otherwise

[grave jolt]

Hits encored pokemon too

[clear lichen]

And also, if you instantly get killed, you can't Disable

Sound logic, right?

Scrappy and Normal/Fighting is extremely hard to switch into

[stuck bane]

Well if I were killed, I’d be disable to do anything I think

[clear lichen]

Yeah, Scrappy Normal/Fighting is unresisted

It's a scary game, trying to even switch in or take hits

Wasting a turn to Disable instead of doing damage is not wise

Especially since Disable goes away on switchout

And they can always switch before you Mean Look

Trapping abilities are banned for being broken

Scrappy is a very scary ability on the correct Pokemon

Mega Lopunny is definitely said correct Pokemon

Funnily enough, Scrappy was buffed after Gen 7

After Gen 7, it made the user immune to Intimidate

So your Lando-T isn't gonna want to swap into a normal move anymore

[grave jolt]

This dude is about to hit Mega Lopunny with a spoon

[clear lichen]

That said, Mega Lopunny doesn't currently exist outside of Gens 6 and 7

But people suspect that megas will return in Gen 10

Doesn't matter if they return in ZA

Since we have 0 reason to suspect there will be multiplayer there

So there won't be a competitive metagame

And also, no abilities lmao

[clear lichen]

That's what U-Turn is for

If you suspect something is trying to switch in to kill/wall you

You U-Turn

[full bison]

I mean, ZA could have a different style than Arceus

[clear lichen]

Helps that Psychic is terrible and weak to Bug

Also, Mega Lopunny has both Fake Out and Quick Attack

Though I will say I only really see Fake Out on it

[grave jolt]

Megas are enabled in SV, you just can't get the items. So theoretically, GF could allow you to import mega stones into SV and into the new metagame.

[clear lichen]

Mega Gengar AG speedrun any%

[full bison]

It also has the Legend Plate, but that was never implemented

[clear lichen]

Gamefreak doesn't balance around Megas anymore

You can tell by what moves these old Pokemon are getting

Shell Smash Blastoise? Encore Gengar?

[grave jolt]

Mega Rayquazza returning to earth only to see that the metagame evolved past it

[clear lichen]

Imagine those on the Megas

[clear lichen]

Yknow it could still be banned in Gen 9

[grave jolt]

"Fuck you mean I'm no longer AG? Who the hell beats me?"
"The Ice types? They've never been good!"

[clear lichen]

Admittedly, Miraidon was noted to be more of a problem in NatDex

And isn't banned right now

However, Miraidon had Z Moves

And from what I've been told, those were a major catalyst in its NatDex ban

(Though, I know quite a number of people who also want it banned in Gen 9 Ubers)

Chances are, Mega Rayquaza gets banned

Unless they gave it a Mega Stone

Actually wait it doesn't have V Create anymore

Might actually not be banned

Maybe

V-Create on an event Rayquaza is the most evil thing ever

[grave jolt]

It's still tied for 2nd highest BST in the game

[clear lichen]

It may as well be the highest

Since Eternamax has never and will never be obtainable

Not sure if MMY would be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best Mega

It's really just between it, Salamence and Gengar

Though, that's assuming Gengar doesn't have Encore

If it does, it's now competing for 3rd

[stuck bane]

Mega ray isn’t as high as ultra necroz right?

[grave jolt]

Kyogre and Groudon would have fun

[clear lichen]

It's higher iirc

[grave jolt]

26 bst higher

[clear lichen]

Yeah I just checked Ultra Necrozma has 754

[stuck bane]

So mega ray is third? Eternatus UN then mega ray?

[clear lichen]

And Mega Ray has 780 I think?

[stuck bane]

Oh shit

I didn’t realize mega ray was that high

[clear lichen]

It'd be Eternamax Eternatus, Mega Ray+Mega Mewtwos, then I believe Pdon and Pogre

Then, it'd be Ultra Necrozma

[grave jolt]

1125 EE
780 MR, MMX, MMY
770 PG & PK
754 UN
720 Arceus

[clear lichen]

Behind Ultra Necrozma I believe is Arceus, the strongest non form reliant Pokemon

And behind that, I think it'd be the Mega base 600s

Pseudo Legendaries, Eon Duo and Diancie

At 700 BST

Remember, Mega and Primal are 100 BST improvements

[grave jolt]

Zygarde ❤️

[full bison]

Except Alakazam for some reason

[clear lichen]

Wait mb

Zygarde Complete has 708

Also, Stellar Terapagos has 700 BST

Next is base Eternatus at 690

Then most Box Arts at 680

[grave jolt]

Eternatus barely missing the BST 700 crowd

[clear lichen]

The box arts are accompanied by Poopa Unbound and Calyrex's Rider forms

They are followed by some other box arts, being Groudon, Kyogre, Koraidon and Miraidon, at 670

As well as 2 drawback ability mons, Slaking and Regigigas

[grave jolt]

670 are the lesser Legemds and the kings of NU

[clear lichen]

Next are base Kyurem, Zamazenta and Zacian

[clear lichen]

No megas are at base 670 I don't think

You may be thinking of base 640

[grave jolt]

legends* not megas

[clear lichen]

Oh you meant legends

Idk, Koraidon and Miraidon are easily the best legendaries barring like Mega Rayquaza debatably

In Singles

[clear lichen]

(Oh, and also barring Caly-S)

Hero Palafin is at 650

[grave jolt]

them Kyurem Unfused and the dogs at 660

[clear lichen]

I'll stop listing them

[clear lichen]

Hey I already stated that

Hero Palafin is the only Pokemon with 650 BST apparently

Fun fact: Hero Palafin has one of the highest SpAs of all Boomburst Pokemon

[grave jolt]

Then at and below 600 you start getting actual pokemon

[clear lichen]

Because yes, it learns Boomburst

[clear lichen]

Implying Pseudo Legends aren't actual Pokemon

Oh you edited it

Shit

I was gonna mention Archaludon

[grave jolt]

god I wish we had H-Goodra...

[clear lichen]

Is Archaludon the only non legendary non mythical non powerhouse non mega Pokemon at base 600

Yes, Pseudo legendaries are officially called Powerhouse Pokemon

Mega Zam was buffed after Gen 6 to be base 600

That's pretty funny

I think Mega Alakazam was made before Alakazam's Gen 6 buff

Since Mega Alakazam's buff was 10 SpD

The same buff base Alakazam got when going from Gen 5 to Gen 6

[zealous lichen]

I dont think they should have made Archaludon but you are correct

[clear lichen]

No, Duraludon needed it

[zealous lichen]

why?

[clear lichen]

Duraludon has 535 BST but is a massive fraud

If you've tried to use Duraludon in Competitive, you know it is a hot pile of garbage despite the high BST and good type

[grave jolt]

I just realized Jolteon Ninjask looks like it's crying (4x rock weakness)

[clear lichen]

... No?

Electric isn't weak to Rock