pif-hoenn-discussion

[umbral river]

Add.... uh...

[terse fable]

Im tryna think of one lol

[umbral river]

...wiglett

[terse fable]

like the luvdisc of those gens

XD

[fathom ridge]

galarian stunfisk

[terse fable]

Give Stunfisk his bro loll

[umbral river]

That'd be extra insane, doubling as the first regional form in IF too

[hot hamlet]

To quote one of my favorite underrated movies.
"Are y'all mmmonkeys yet?

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/ape-red-scholars-ward-monke-gif-19509498

no

[umbral river]

Would you like to be monkeys?

We can go get the monkey beam

[fathom ridge]

the last mons should be the monkeys

[trail hull]

some regional fdorm would be harder to differentiate body wise then other

[umbral river]

*last 6 mons

[trail hull]

like alolan diglett and dugtrio are easy

but alolan ninetales and vulpix are a lot harder

[terse fable]

good point

[umbral river]

Don't Alolan Diglett / Dugtrio just have, like, hair?

[fathom ridge]

the beautiful hair

[trail hull]

yes

[terse fable]

they have enough differnce but i see what you mean

[umbral river]

Wouldn't that be overwritten by the silhouette of the head

[fathom ridge]

sirfetch would be hype

[umbral river]

Sirfetch'd would be amazing

They could also throw in Basculin (but only the white stripe lmao)

To get Basculegion

[trail hull]

pirouette meloetta bodies need to keep the hair to be differentiable so it would be the same for alolan diglett and dugtrio

[fathom ridge]

ohhhh sirfetch/bisharp

[umbral river]

Ohh true

[terse fable]

With these adds as well it means we'd get evo's we're missing

https://tenor.com/view/dudunsparce-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-peak-gif-27521958

[umbral river]

Yeah, give Girafarig its evo, Dunsparce, Stantler

[trail hull]

yeah I wish frog added gen 8

[terse fable]

like dudunsparce

[trail hull]

and basculin

[molten loom]

No

[fathom ridge]

i think if gen 8+ is unlocked the evos would take priority

[terse fable]

I'd agree with that

[trail hull]

annihilape would be sick

[fathom ridge]

modern evo methods are kinda crazy ngl

[terse fable]

if not the starters

[umbral river]

They'd totally not keep that

[trail hull]

galariab yamask is the hardest

[fathom ridge]

he got so angry he died

[umbral river]

Frog would just make it, like, it evolves at Lvl 40

Like all the trade evos are

[full bison]

Flapple would be funny to me because I imagine a load of Bakugan fusions coming from that

[terse fable]

most likely

[fathom ridge]

what was it, walking under a rock with 151 hp or something?

[zealous lichen]

that one is just stupid

[trail hull]

he was supposed to be peaceful in it's dead but ma guy got so mad he transcended deatgh and turned into a vengeful spirit

[trail hull]

yes

[trail hull]

yeah like how do you even find that

there's not even an npc ingame that tells you about it

[umbral river]

Wait, really?

[fathom ridge]

i got sirfetch without knowing how to evolve it and without knoing it evolved, it was hype

[umbral river]

Was there like, a mural on the wall?

[terse fable]

Pokemon loves making niche, dumb ways to evo mons lol

[umbral river]

Did the rock have a picture of Yamask?

[zealous lichen]

yeah it drives me nuts im glad that SV didnt have any

[full bison]

Melmetal has entered the chat

[fathom ridge]

well kingambit is kinda weird

[trail hull]

palafin is dumb and a harder trade evolution (thankfully you can get it from 5 stars raid anytime but it's rare)

[zealous lichen]

ok fair enough

[umbral river]

I mean, Pawmo and Bramblin you had to walk them around in the overworld

[trail hull]

it's weird but ti makes sense

[drowsy moss]

remember when you had to evolve inkay by turning the 3ds upside down

[fathom ridge]

and annhiliape is also weird, but maybe you could get it naturally

[trail hull]

rellor too

[umbral river]

Right and Rellor

[full bison]

Still have to do that with the Switch

[fathom ridge]

yup, i just wished you were told somewhere

[trail hull]

annihilape is jsut a regular evo , that's a classic thing to deo using a move x amount of time

[full bison]

Has to be in Portable mode even

[umbral river]

I can't wait to have Inkay in IF and have to flip your monitor upside down

[fathom ridge]

i dont think so, it is a classic thing to do get to x level with x move

[zealous lichen]

oh I fogot about palafin one I never evolved it

[terse fable]

loll

[molten loom]

How am I going to do that with my laptop

[fathom ridge]

frog adds an upside down house lol

[terse fable]

Phone users get one win that day lol

[full bison]

Just pick up the whole thing

[molten loom]

And that day alone

[molten loom]

But I also need to hold my controller

[full bison]

Tape

[umbral river]

I was thinking a room with some psychic trainer honing their psychic skills and causing the room to be flipped

[trail hull]

I think pokemon tries to make harder and harder evolutions method to try and have the kid make playground rumors

[molten loom]

There is that room with the guy that gives psychic

[fathom ridge]

upside down house is funnier bc is stupid

[trail hull]

tho the internet finds everything (mainly dataminers)

[umbral river]

Kids will never have playground rumors when they can just look it up

[fathom ridge]

oh thats cool tbh

[full bison]

Speaking of Psychic, are there any Pokemon we could give the Terrain Surge abilities to? Always wanted to make a Terrain team

[fathom ridge]

true, google smh

[full bison]

Aside from the Tapus

[fathom ridge]

add arboliva to the game

[umbral river]

I think the closest game I've seen have "playground rumors" online is Lethal Company because even after people pick apart the game word doesn't spread faster than the people who misinterpret things

[zealous lichen]

I would love that

[umbral river]

It's been nearly 9 months and people still think the masked can stand up lmao

[fathom ridge]

i wish there was a way to beat dataminers, it would make games more magical in a way

[umbral river]

Hell it's been nearly a year and people still think you can shout at the baboon hawks to make them run away

[umbral river]

Well, there is one way

[full bison]

Aside from the Tapus, maybe Sunflora could at least get Grassy Surge? Give that Pokemon something it can actually do

[umbral river]

Isolation

[fathom ridge]

making your game have a server and client, but that also makes it online only

[terse fable]

I wish dataminers had an unspoken rule to wait like 3-6 months for a game to be out before scrubbing through it

[zealous lichen]

which game?

[umbral river]

Outside of that, I dunno, but most things run off an algorithm nowadays so just make your algorithm not recommend people that scrub through the games (or people that talk about the dataminers)

[tender plank]

all of them preferably

[terse fable]

any, speaking in general lol

[zealous lichen]

I tend to avoid all of it

[umbral river]

I've only gotten like, one recommendation of dataminers, again with Lethal Company, but that's because the way the monsters are coded is just cool to learn

[fathom ridge]

hidding secrets on things like youtube videos is also cool and offers some protection

[full bison]

Datamining will never go away as long as we as a species continue to crave knowledge on our interests

[umbral river]

People just need to spread misinformation more

For you know. The funny

I just wish the people who did spread misinformation didn't fall under the same umbrella as "leakers"

[fathom ridge]

"did you know that in mario kart 9, if you do 6 reverse laps on luigi circuit 3, mario comes out of the screen and kills you?"

[full bison]

Honestly, fake leaks were half the fun of Pokemon hype cycles

[fathom ridge]

and smash

[umbral river]

One of my favorite lines in Hat in Time: “Did you know, you could unlock Luigi by completing every death wish on the first attempt? I don’t even know what that is but it has to be genuine. I read it online.”

[full bison]

We wouldn't have this majesty without fake leaks

[fathom ridge]

haha remember that guy that said steve from minecraft was the next fighter? so stupid

[zealous lichen]

you mean Jack Black?

[umbral river]

I.... am Steve.

[fathom ridge]

I love jack black doing games movies

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-steve-minecraft-steve-minecraft-steve-steve-minecraft-gif-1484618510787823665

[zealous lichen]

yeah but this one I am so meh on

[fathom ridge]

bowser was so good

[molten loom]

That movie is going to be so bad

[fathom ridge]

i feel like its going to be the ultimate "so bad its good"

[zealous lichen]

I doubt it

[fathom ridge]

tbh i dont know if there is a way to do a minecraft movie

[full bison]

I just think it'll be Bad bad

[molten loom]

Animated would be much better

[full bison]

it looks so cliche and ugly

[terse fable]

It's really sad to see, why did they even try lol

[fathom ridge]

i died when jack black just said im am steve, he way he said it 💀

[full bison]

You just know that Creeper scene will have a "He's right behind me isn't he?" moment

[stuck bane]

MC movie is gonna be trash so glad I left that game

[fathom ridge]

and we will all laught knowing it was a bad joke

[terse fable]

I'm excited for people to do the bingo boards of all the cliche dumb shit tha's gonna be in the movie loll

[fathom ridge]

jack black as steve was still a good idea tho

[stuck bane]

P sure the trailer too actually has a creeper sneaking up behind Jason momoa

[molten loom]

We say how everything looks so bad, which is true, but imagine what they will make villagers look like

[molten loom]

It does

[full bison]

We've had people animating Minecraft stuff for over a decade and Hollywood somehow can't manage it

[fathom ridge]

what if the movie is just good at the end?

[molten loom]

Yeah I'm sure the best part will be when the credits roll

[stuck bane]

You mean during the credits? There’s a chance? Pretty hard to fuck up credits

[fathom ridge]

but it would be the funniest shit if it was good

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-minecraft-a-minecraft-movie-jason-momoa-blocks-gif-13148024794893131097

[terse fable]

If the movie's good I'lll be shocked, but it's hard to see that rn

[molten loom]

What is even being crafted here

[stuck bane]

The movie would look bad no matter what, so in the best case scenario it barely outpaces the first sonic movie

[molten loom]

Look at the table

[fathom ridge]

i kinda knew it was going to be like this tbh, im going to just enjoy the chaos of people going crazy

[terse fable]

XD

[full bison]

Any chance this will be an Ugly Sonic situation that gets fixed? Or was that a flash in the pan?

[molten loom]

People in the comments were saying they don't think it would help

[fathom ridge]

i like the cgi ngl, and i know most people just hate it

[stuck bane]

Minecraft doesn’t admit to making mistakes, I still remember 1.9

Kinda all spiraled down from there

[full bison]

RIP Copper Bulb uniqueness

[stuck bane]

Anyways new Pokémon

[terse fable]

Maybe what they;re hiding is that Minecraft movie is gonna be gory af and the combat is gonna be psycho, dude slicing spiders n zombies in half like samurai jack lol

but yea new pokemon

[fathom ridge]

VIKAVOLT

[stuck bane]

5th place in main vote, there’s a chance

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-fennekin-pikachu-eating-gif-15323795

[terse fable]

I like bug 🙂

[full bison]

Let's get Araquanid to get more banned stuff lol

Water Bubble would go insane

[stuck bane]

Do we just wanna compile what we think it’s gonna be?

[molten loom]

If we really want banned stuff then Salazzle would do it

[stuck bane]

I’d love araquanid because I do randomizer nuzlockes and I can use it

[terse fable]

My first 3 ish guesses are Minior/Blacephon and amooguss

for rn

[molten loom]

For a very different reason

[stuck bane]

Why Amoongus? Not complaining but it’s an odd one

[molten loom]

Memes

[full bison]

Blacephalon by itself is highly unlikely

[fathom ridge]

here is my list

[stuck bane]

Hmmm

[terse fable]

Cause of all the amongus sus in the 500k pic that's pretty much it 😂

[stuck bane]

1 Gen 5 rep, that checks out

Idk about only 1 hoenn rep

[fathom ridge]

volbeat is there bc frog likes to add the least voted mon

[terse fable]

Like I don't really want them it's a guess of what I think might come in

[full bison]

I'd like Abomasnow because there's no convenient way to make a Hail team. Aurorus is hard to get the HA for and Delibird is Delibird

[stuck bane]

He’s only done that once, but it’s not off the table, I don’t feel like he’d try to be predictable like that though (but maybe he would look at kalos starter reveal)

[umbral river]

He did it twice

Stunfisk and Bruxish

[stuck bane]

Oh I wasn’t here for stunfisk fair enough

[fathom ridge]

volbeat is just two slots so it isnt as much of a commitment

[stuck bane]

Make me regret voting 3 for basculin, Watchog, and Alomomola why don’t you

[terse fable]

This time he'll add the 2nd most voted mon after all the reveals just for the funnies

[full bison]

I really hope the fireflies don't get in. Bruxish and Stunfisk are at least funny

[stuck bane]

I’ll also take 3rd or 4th

[fathom ridge]

the only thing is that it is the type of mon that is so obscure it doesnt appear on "forgotten pokemon" lists

[umbral river]

Imagine the "low popularity" rep is another 1 stage, and we get a triple fusion between it, Stunfisk and Bruxish

[fathom ridge]

salazzle? oh no

[hollow creek]

Based

[umbral river]

2nd most voted was Golisopod

[fathom ridge]

oh wait no is golisopod

[umbral river]

Ye

[stuck bane]

No that’s goliso, but curse of pod may prevent it anyways

[full bison]

Can't wait for T-rated fusions

[fathom ridge]

salazzle was third

[hollow creek]

I still don’t know how sakazzle was 3rd most voted

HOW??

[fathom ridge]

at least heads will have a unique colour scheme

[unkempt kernel]

I hope so

[full bison]

You know exactly why

[hollow creek]

Over wishiwasi? Minior? What do people see??

[stuck bane]

Main vote = rule 2, didn’t gardevoir make it as most popular hoenn Mon right behind rayquaza barely in the 2020 Google vote?

[fathom ridge]

vikavolt got fifth so im happy with the results

[velvet root]

Its a cool mon

[zealous lichen]

how would wishi washi fusions work?

[terse fable]

Honestly feel like most of the mons are gonna be runner ups from the poll tho unless they staff pick it or mini raffle/competitions

[umbral river]

Salandit is awesome, Salazzle is not

[fathom ridge]

gardevoir doesnt break rule 2 unless the person doing it wants

[full bison]

Salazzle is popular for the same reason as Lopunny, let's be real here

[stuck bane]

Isn’t that the case for all rule 2 monsters?

[fathom ridge]

the internet smh

[velvet root]

Y bully that lizard qwq

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-salazzle-marowak-alolan-marowak-turtonator-gif-23852137

[fathom ridge]

goodra what did they do to you

[hollow creek]

Idk how the 2020 vote went

[terse fable]

TURTL

[molten loom]

Yeah it is

[hollow creek]

I joined 2023

[umbral river]

Okay this is a silly

I like the silly here

But Salazzle just... doesn't give me good vibes

[fathom ridge]

i joined this year

[fathom ridge]

yeah i think gamefreak was kinda asking for it tbh

[molten loom]

I joined last year

[hollow creek]

That also surprised me

[analog stag]

https://tenor.com/view/volbeat-illumise-gif-26113183

[hollow creek]

Excadrill in 4th was also a shock

[full bison]

It's literally a pheromone based reverse harem mon, they absolutely knew

[stuck bane]

Anyways back to this, 7 alola, 4 kalos, 2 unova, 2 hoenn. The only thing that doesn’t make sense here is hoenn having so few when hoenn bias is very real. Hate to say it but throw out some Kalos or alola to make room for more hoenn

[fathom ridge]

i couldnt belive it, it has a chance

[hollow creek]

I personally love it

[full bison]

Vikavolt would be awesome, finally it can have the speed it deserves

[fathom ridge]

we have very few alola and kalos rep, my funny guys are staing like this

[hollow creek]

I mean it’s a borderline robot but with electric fangs, idk what else you’d want from a bug

[stuck bane]

Ok… but I’m warning you, similar to last time, most of the list is gonna be hoenn even if we don’t want it to be

[fathom ridge]

the only one i would consider changing is slurpuff, but i added that one not bc i want it but bc i think it will happen

[umbral river]

Charjabug looks like a discarded Minecraft mob

[full bison]

It literally is described as flying fast

[fathom ridge]

the best hoenn mon for me would be exploud

[stuck bane]

I’d say this is closer to the blitz week or whatever than the actual vote though, and that was like, only hoenn/kalos/alola

In fact lemme look at the blitz week reveals

[opaque ether]

'Yena propaganda

[fathom ridge]

very respectable cause

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-sleeping-gif-25491315

[full bison]

Gigalith would be amazing. Cool rock guy and maybe another Sand Stream mon

[unkempt kernel]

Squirrel

[fathom ridge]

oh i dropped this ups, dont mind me (i already picked it up and placed it on another place)

[umbral river]

Pick it up

Don't litter :(

[fathom ridge]

wait how do i do it

do i delete it?

[umbral river]

No,

Just like,

Place it respectfully

Don't drop it :(

Vikavolt will... like, die, I dunno

[fathom ridge]

there done

[terse fable]

vikavolt more like Stinkavolt amirite

[umbral river]

Remember kids. Respectfully place your trash on the spot you're littering, don't drop it on the ground /j

[terse fable]

[full bison]

When will this guy be added

[umbral river]

Skuntank, more like...

[terse fable]

ded

[umbral river]

...more like... uh...

[fathom ridge]

well "Respectfully place your trash" is basically throwing it in the trashcan

[umbral river]

Acorn Duck my beloved

[fathom ridge]

i remember when i discovered how they announced the gen 5 starters, so funny

[hollow creek]

This chat when we thought the colors dimming meant melmetal was coming

[full bison]

We need Gamefreak to just reveal Starter silhouettes again for more stuff like that lmao

[fathom ridge]

trueeee

[unkempt kernel]

Hopefully for ZA (it won’t)

[stuck bane]

Here’s the 12 slots from the blitz week:

Blitz week: bewear, dhelmise, toxapex, Hawlucha, Cacturne, pallossand, aurorus

7 alola, 3 kalos, 1 hoenn

Oh then maybe I was wrong, it was just 1 hoenn last time, but since we can assume these bonus slots are from frog, and blitz week was stated to be a collection of frog’s favorites, I’m expecting similar numbers of regional reps, maybe another hoenn or something

[umbral river]

It's also worth noting we had like, 1 Alola rep before the big update that added like 50 Pokemon

[stuck bane]

So goliso has a good chance, but, curse of pod

[umbral river]

Maybe 2

[fathom ridge]

we arent missing as many hoenn mons as the later gens, i wouldnt mind focusing on 6 and 7

[stuck bane]

FIVE

[fathom ridge]

wait what

[umbral river]

But yeah I think Unova deserves a focus

At least for a couple mon

[fathom ridge]

five lines or five mons?

[stuck bane]

Alola has 70 missing slots

Unova has 116

Lemme find it

[umbral river]

Gen 5 mons

[full bison]

Mienshao and Musharna could give us some amazing sprite fuel

[umbral river]

Gen 5 also added a bunch of Pokemon because you could only find Unova mons til postgame

[stuck bane]

@fathom ridge

[umbral river]

They basically tried a soft reboot from what I remember

[full bison]

Plot twist- We get Gen 5 additions, but it's just the monkeys

[stuck bane]

I’ll take it, better than nothing

[fathom ridge]

alola is still missing more

[umbral river]

no it isnt

[fathom ridge]

whats the list of hoenn mons?

[full bison]

It still baffles me how Staraptor wasn't added yet when it's THE Sinnoh mon everyone has used

[stuck bane]

Yeah this is what I mean about Gen 5 being the black sheep guys, literally has enough choices worth multiple regions and it’s just brushed aside and not even considered

[fathom ridge]

it is a bird, maybe that (still cool bird tho)

[stuck bane]

The 65 there plus Chingling/chimecho

[fathom ridge]

i mean the list of the ones that are in if already

[tender plank]

I think it's like 60-ish last time I checked

Near half is what i remem er

Or like. Right at half

[stuck bane]

Most are in iirc, I don’t have any % of region lists that are up to date, I know hoenn was below half but jumped to above half after the first main vote

Unova is at like, below a third

[green laurel]

heres the percentage

[fathom ridge]

ahhh thought here you meant that there were five hoenn mons, you meant gen 5 X)

[stuck bane]

Ty

[stuck bane]

Yes

[unkempt kernel]

Well Unova has the biggest regional dex so I can probably understand if it’s the last to get completed for PIF

[fathom ridge]

gen 5 mons are bangers tho so yeah

[unkempt kernel]

True

Only problem is a lot of mid and late evos

[stuck bane]

I understand that, we’re not perfect I get it, I was originally hoping to at least get half of unova before any other region was completed, but at this rate we’re gonna complete one of the other regions before we even get Gen 5 starters

[fathom ridge]

lilligant, crustle and eelectross are my picks

[stuck bane]

I’m spiraling

[full bison]

At least give me Excadrill, Mienshao, and Gigalith and I will never ask for any other Gen 5ers except maybe Braviary

[tender plank]

Ye but i think we're starting to run out of bangers to advocate for

[fathom ridge]

ohhh those are cool too

[umbral river]

Based on your data:

Hoenn has 48.15% of their roster to be added

Sinnoh has 46.73% of their roster to be added

Unova has 74.36% of their roster to be added

Kalos has 63.89% of their roster to be added

Alola has 80.46% of their roster to be added

[stuck bane]

Not even close

[fathom ridge]

roggenrola my little guy

[stuck bane]

Thank you for crunching numbers, and no way alola is that far behind after getting so many additions right?

[full bison]

Which Roggenrolla fusion would give us a pencil sharpener?

[tender plank]

Mmm yeah, there's still some left

[unkempt kernel]

Tho there are 6 Unova mons I hope don’t come to the game until the very end

[umbral river]

Alola only had 1 mon before the big update

It as Mimikyu

It did get a bunch, but Unova already had some mons in IF

[stuck bane]

Pyukumuku

[umbral river]

2 sorry

[fathom ridge]

there arent a lot of alola mons i told you, and one of them is bruxish

[umbral river]

i keep forgetting about the myuku

[molten loom]

how could you

It carried my expert run

[umbral river]

But yeah, the only reason Unova looks like it's so forgotton is because there's so many mons in that region

Because Gen 5 was almost like a soft reboot for the franchise

[tender plank]

But i also meant it generally too, in like 3 years we're gonna have average mons over average mons

[fathom ridge]

the lone pickel

[unkempt kernel]

Cupcake spotted (Granbull / Slaking)

[umbral river]

You couldn't catch any non-Unovan pokemon until the postgame

[stuck bane]

Wait I counted 20/90 alola slots we have so far, closer to 78% but yes still farthest behind

[molten loom]

Also Necrozma

and Bruxish

[umbral river]

I said before the big update

[stuck bane]

Necro was after first main vote

[molten loom]

ah right

[full bison]

I just thought of something. The Swords of Justice are a quartet, but IF only goes up to Triple Fusion. How would that be handled? Would we just have Keldeo be left out?

[umbral river]

Cuz we got like. 8 added after the big update

[umbral river]

Yeah, probably

Considering it's slotted into the mythical area of the Pokedex with Meloetta and Genesect

[stuck bane]

In the last main vote, legends were included. Swords of justice were a trio and keldeo was separate. I assume that’s the logic they’ll use

[fathom ridge]

yeah keldeo is expendable

[tender plank]

Kicked out the polycule, tragic /j

[stuck bane]

We don’t need MLP fusions. Not as bad as skuntank or castform, but I’m fine with them being on the later end of unova mons added

[umbral river]

There are some Pokemon I'm fine with just never getting into IF

[full bison]

Castform could be fun. Not particularly strong,but the weather changing form thing could lend itself to creative fusions

[fathom ridge]

the monkeys

[umbral river]

Like Plusle and Minun

[fathom ridge]

luvdisc would also not add anything but it would make one person happy so its something

[stuck bane]

In defense of plusle and minun, they’d be very easy sprites to 100% bodies

[full bison]

I'm fine with the pikaclones as a whole being ignored

[fathom ridge]

the bodys are just pichu with other ears

[umbral river]

Consider that you have to make the silhouettes distinguishable

[fathom ridge]

yeah true, they can get repetitive

[stuck bane]

Ok but the pikaclones besides plusle/minun actually have things going for them, like actual animals and mechanical benefits

[unkempt kernel]

B-bbbut….world champion…squirrel

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[stuck bane]

Yeah but latis exist sooooo

[fathom ridge]

i only really like the round one

[fathom ridge]

sorry

[umbral river]

So you don't have to make them distinguishable?

[tender plank]

I'd say pachi and emolga should be the first pikaclones to be added, as they are the most unique ones of the bunch i'd say

[full bison]

The only Pikaclones that have enough visual distinction for me to be okay with their addition would be Pachirisu, maybe emolga, and that's it until Gen 9 is added and we get Pawmot

[umbral river]

Yay Pawmot :)

[full bison]

Dedenne is literally just smol Raichu

And morpeko makes me upset

[stuck bane]

That was the reasoning frog gave for dusk Lycanroc, not saying I agree but that’s the reasoning used

So it’s up in the air

[umbral river]

Gotchya

[full bison]

I wanted a cool electric/Dark type for years and the first and only one is a lame Pikaclone with a boring gimmick

[fathom ridge]

dusk lycanroc is the only mon that is actually never going to get in probably

[stuck bane]

||and Gen 5 starters ||

[unkempt kernel]

Nah they will

[opaque ether]

Do the Lycanrocs in game get Tough Claws? If not they really should.

[stuck bane]

Will they?

[umbral river]

I think my friend would throw arms if Serperior didn't end up in the game

[tender plank]

They'll break out eventually...
I hope.

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah eventually

[full bison]

I just want the Gen 5 and 7 starters in so we can have a Hisui triple fusion

[unkempt kernel]

Hisui is gen 8 tho

[umbral river]

Yeah the best compromise is to give the existing Lycanrocs the mechanical benefits of Dusk

[full bison]

But all the Hisui starters are pre- gen 8

[umbral river]

It's not like they haven't arbitrarily given existing mons some of the mechanical benefits of non-existing mons in the form of moves

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah but those forms have different types and lvl up sets

[tender plank]

Id give it to 2026 for Unova starters to come, 2025 could see the Alola starters release as they got more votes in that one vote

[rancid nymph]

Not their final evolved forms

[tender plank]

(At least)

[stuck bane]

We gave suggestions for that when Lucan was revealed, but all have seem to been ignored, which is fair, frog’s game

[umbral river]

It's the frog's game, we're just fusing in it

[stuck bane]

@tender plank already predicted

[umbral river]

You know, you're technically incorrect, because we'll never get the entirety of Alola if we don't get Lycanroc Dusk...

[stuck bane]

Fair point, but besides that since it seems set in stone I’m possibly correct

[umbral river]

But because it's set in stone it means that you're possible incorrect

[tender plank]

Counter point, even if they got the least out of the starters, there is still major demand for them. Like I said, starters dominated the 2022 vote (they got 3rd overall i think looking at the pinned)

[tender plank]

Starters are highly beloved, so i doubt they'd hold them out for that long

[stuck bane]

Didn’t stop kommo, and waiting until 2026 is 2 years of needing to dodge a Gen 8+ code fix, which then Gen 5 starters need to contend with gens 8/9/10 starters, confirming they’ll never get in

[umbral river]

Or, rather, the gen 8/9/10 starters need to contend with the gen 5 starters

[tender plank]

Nah, Galar's right there. You'll be fine

Galar would take their place

[full bison]

Gen 9 would absolutely win that, let's be real

Skeledirge and Meowscarada are super popular

[umbral river]

Yes, but then you have the next competition

[bitter comet]

Skele is a silly lad

[umbral river]

Who wins between Gen 5 and Gen 8?

[opaque ether]

Yeah at the very least give it to Midday since Dusk's designs are already incorporated in its available sprites.

[tender plank]

Or if we're loud enough, we could actually sway them to put unova in

[tender plank]

Gen 5 easily

[umbral river]

Again, Unova is... lacking a lot of mons. But in terms of the percents, Alola is behind the most

And Galar would be even more behind

I don't know why they skipped over Gen 5's starters exactly for this update, but I doubt they'll be skipped over as a whole. That'd just be weird

[full bison]

Galar being added would probably at least fast-track the heroes of legend and Toxitricity being added

[tender plank]

Don't think that'd be an issue tbh...? if we wanted glar moms we'd probs want the other ones over the starters

Atleast i would

[full bison]

Polteageist could lead to some interesting Fine China Aesthetics

[tender plank]

Trueee

I'd love that tbh

[rancid nymph]

Considering that Gen 8 has the worst starters (IMO) I agree completely

[umbral river]

I'm just saying all that I'm saying to say that the Unova starters will definitely get in

[full bison]

I remenber I used to like Sobble at least, but then I learned that it was ostensibly supposed to be a chameleon and there's just no theming around that

Sobble isn't a chameleon, it's a Funkopop

[umbral river]

Sobble is a Sobble and Inteleon is James Bond's fursona

[full bison]

Literally the most interesting part of a chameleon's biology is it's eyes, but they just gave it generic anime eyes because merch sales

[umbral river]

What don't they do for merch sales

[full bison]

Something I realized while coping about the potential of the UBs being added is that Naganadel fusions would likely be super super cursed.

Like, it's big design thing is how what used to be it's head is now it's abdomen and what's now it's head was Poipole's tail. That can lead to some really awkward designs

[wet cliff]

i will draw

uno fakemon

[stuck bane]

And 1000 other funny jokes to tell yourself

[wet cliff]

you

know

[stuck bane]

Hi

[wet cliff]

va

[inland jewel]

for me gen 5, I HATE every single gen 8 starter

like the only pokemon out of those 9 i like is Sobble

for Gen 5, The only one i dislike is Pignite

[fathom ridge]

They all look too humanoid

[inland jewel]

the other 8 I like

[weak trellis]

gen 8 starts are very much " raising your kid" in terms of design mentality

from carefree child to standoffish teen to employed adult

[prime dust]

only 1 gen 8 starter even remotely interests me and it is monkey

but even then it is a "lesser evil"

[gray vine]

why that one

[prime dust]

it is the lesser evil

i actually dislike all the gen 8 starters

[lone dome]

I used to not like Grookey that much but it grew onto me

[prime dust]

but given the choice of haivng to pick one, grookey is the choice

[inland jewel]

im fine with rillaboom, but i hate him due to VGC

[prime dust]

gen 9 it is tied between grass cat and apple croc, but apple croc wins since he becomes spoopy

[weak trellis]

I love raboot and hate thwakey but the other 7 are kinda just... there for me?

like I don't like but I also don't dislike

I also note that i tend to not have strong interest about starters though in general rofl

[lone dome]

Idk why but I like Thwackey's design more than Grookey

[inland jewel]

based

[agile olive]

it has personality

[inland jewel]

the last gen that I wanted to use a starter for was Gen 7

[agile olive]

like a good middle evo

[inland jewel]

every gen afterwards i found a mon i wanted to use and then boxed the starter

[celest bobcat]

What's the name of Ninjask x Greninja?

Ninjaninja?

[gray vine]

probably more Ninjainja

[celest bobcat]

Drew on my phone
Could probably make a better sketch later but WOOO
Ninja!

[sinful smelt]

Are there any new mons confirmed since gen6 starters?

[molten loom]

No

[sinful smelt]

As someone who did not play x/y, I'd love to see some more gen6 mons. I grew to really like them and I'd like to get to know them better ^^

[gray vine]

depends what you mean by new

cause there is also Carbinks, Lurantis and the Kommo-o line

[molten loom]

They said since gen6 starters

[inland jewel]

My favorite Gen 6 mons be Spritzee and Helioisk

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/heliolisk-pokemon-electric-normal-lizard-gif-26451438

[gray vine]

look at them go

[inland jewel]

I love his special attack animations

Frilled Lizards are really cool

[molten loom]

I always forget Helioisk is a Electric/Normal type

[snow scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/toedscool-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-tentacool-but-heres-the-gif-27098341

pokemon running animation cycles give me life

the stranger the better

[molten loom]

But none can top

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-cute-gif-17963535

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-aromatisse-power-gif-17494434

[rancid nymph]

Quick reminder that all his walking was for a subpar remake

[timid galleon]

What are the most recent Pokemon that have been added

[zealous lichen]

the Kalos starters

[inland jewel]

added to the game, Bruxish, Cresselia, and Meloetta

Most recent to be confirmed, Kalos starters

[calm zephyr]

This is the only correct answer

[timid galleon]

OH MY GOD YES

FENNEKIN MY BELOVED

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/fennekin-pokemon-pkmn-braixen-delphox-gif-3696269150809613097

Fennekin best starter

[timid galleon]

I genuinely just love foxes, they are so adorable but fennekin is on another level

[gray vine]

fennekin is good, so is the evolution, delphox sucks tho

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/delphox-delphox-pokémon-fire-breath-fire-breathing-gif-26185602

Do not look up Delphox gifs

[coral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/delphox-flame-pokemon-gif-15189681

[snow scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/with-this-treasure-i-summon-gif-8698543291572587824

nah

i'd win

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/delphox-reaction-information-shocked-discord-reaction-gif-gif-27491259

[pallid spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/with-this-treasure-i-summon-gif-8698543291572587824

[unkempt stone]

A lot less gen 6 starter sprites than I thought there’d be

[inland jewel]

they only just announced it like a day or two ago

spriting takes like 3 days min

[unkempt stone]

I mean fair

[lone dome]

Art takes time

[unkempt stone]

They’re generally more complex designs too so

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story2-cleaner-you-cant-rush-art-rush-art-impatient-client-gif-20473209

[lone dome]

[unkempt stone]

Yea I’m a bit dumb

[lone dome]

My brain literally thought of that scene too

[coral axle]

I love just waiting and seeing all the cool sprites that comes up everyday

[lone dome]

Yeah the art here is really good

[light garden]

https://gitlab.com/pokemoninfinitefusion/customsprites/-/raw/master/CustomBattlers/122.73.png

[inland jewel]

such good art\

[lone dome]

Still good

[molten loom]

We don't talk about these ones though

[lone dome]

Cursed

[inland jewel]

Between Miltank and Mr.Mime

we got a ton of cursed fusions

[molten loom]

Don't forget Pinsir

[inland jewel]

Pinsir and Parasect also do be having cursed fusions

[compact orbit]

Don’t forget Shuckle

[quartz shell]

if this thing gets in I can make another yellow submarine ref lol

[hot hamlet]

Wait, you’re the one behind “Yellow Shuckmarine”?

[quartz shell]

Yuppers!

Dun dun dunnnn

[hot hamlet]

Spotted it while searching for replacement pirates ships of my future “Pirates” run. Was going through all sprites so didn’t pay attention to names

[hazy fable]

shuckle do have the best sprites

[snow scroll]

weeeee allll live in a yellow submarineeeee

[hot hamlet]

Shuckmarine say it right

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-sniff-nose-hungry-pokemon-gif-14614876398478750391

Hello

I just wanted to talk about on why Comfey is forgotten

[alpine rune]

.... Go on

[molten latch]

According to other youtubers, Comfey is broken

But I dont see it that way other than it can use Drain Kiss due to its Sp.A and Spd

It also have the ability Triage

Other than that, I kinda forgot that this pokemon even exist.

https://tenor.com/view/ah-eto-bleh-anime-bleh-gif-26784876

Its pure fairy type because it collected flowers. And not part of its body.

But I'm wrong with that

[upper fiber]

I love the fennekin line I can’t wait for the fusioncalc to update :D

[molten latch]

We know

[upper fiber]

What did you mean by this

[molten latch]

We're waiting for the update.

Is there something wrong?

[white meadow]

Is lurantis out yet

[molten latch]

Yes

[alpine rune]

No, the update isn't even out yet

[white meadow]

ughh

Gotta wait more

[alpine rune]

Yea

[molten latch]

So. . . .

Are we not gonna talk about Comfey?

[upper fiber]

Oh I thought you were being sarcastic because I was excited for fennekin line specifically

Because I’m a furry

[molten latch]

Ok

[snow scroll]

Comfey is comfy where it is (in development hell)

[molten latch]

Ye

[full bison]

I feel like Comfey is so forgotten because there's so many tiny guys with flowers already

[stuck bane]

If you wanna talk about Comfey it’s an amazing choice

First of all, one of our only 9 fairy type heads, so automatically gets a 3 since we currently only have 4: clef, sylv, Toge, gran

Secondly, triage applies to a bunch of moves Comfey doesn’t get iirc, including stuff like Giga drain, so on the right mons it’s an insane ability giving +3 priority iirc

https://pokemondb.net/ability/triage

[zealous lichen]

nothing today?

[stuck bane]

Don’t think so, they prob want reveals to last for a while so I’m expecting once a week give or take, look out for Fridays or weekends

[zealous lichen]

maybe

[lone dome]

It's good to give spriters time to make stuff before revealing new mons

[stuck bane]

Anyways back to this it’s absurd, it’ll prob be Insta banned from showdown (but I do nuzlockes so it don’t matter to me)

Imagine +3 priority on drain punch, horn leech, leech life (post Gen 7 buff), milk drink, oblivion wing, recover, rest, roost, slack off, soft boiled, synthesis, it’s kinda crazy

[zealous lichen]

lol

that is a bit crazy

[stuck bane]

For reference on how fast +3 priority is, it will always outspeed extreme speed and match fake out (pretty sure it’s whoever’s faster or speed tie then)

[zealous lichen]

I thought fake out was +4?

[stuck bane]

Idk serebii says it’s +3, idk if it was like a Gen 9 change or something

Wait no not serebii

Bulbapedia

[finite reef]

Fake Out is +3 priority (+1 in gen3/4)

[zealous lichen]

thats wild then

[stuck bane]

As of Gen 7 still +3

[zealous lichen]

yeah I think thats going to be a banned ability in competitive lol

going to be amazing for nuzlockes though

[finite reef]

Anaconja said Triage will be banned (in IF OU) if Comfey gets added

[stuck bane]

Ik I’d love it so bad, really grew on me for fusion potential even though I’m meh on it’s original design otherwise. Pure fairy typing is just icing on the cake

[stuck bane]

Yeah if adaptability gets banned no way this stays, still, my nuzlockes

[finite reef]

Adaptability probably wont get banned though

Porygon-Z isn't broken with Adaptability (without boomburst), so if Crawdaunt fusions are too powerful then Crawdaunt would be banned, not adaptability

[stuck bane]

I thought ana said adaptability would be insta banned and that’s why he wasn’t rooting for Crawdaunt anymore

[zealous lichen]

but adaptability is already in the game

[stuck bane]

Oh then fair enough, yeah I think it was water type adaptability that could be boosted by rain

That was craw’s problem

[finite reef]

You mean the excuse to ban weather

[zinc prairie]

As the other tier leader I will agree

[marble meadow]

Mr.mine carbink is funny it’s Mr.bink

[zinc prairie]

Rain Adaptability is so goob

[finite reef]

Crawdaunt is going to be fun

[zinc prairie]

NatDex had a similar incident with Surging Strikes Water Bubble in Rain

[finite reef]

Water Bubble should never have been legal, it's water bubble

[stuck bane]

Actually, if I had to choose 15 slots, and wanted the most bang for our buck, I’d probably do this:

Torkoal: been wanted for a long time and hoenn bias

Tropius: is extremely wanted by spriters and hoenn bias

Carnivine: fan favorite, why not add it?

Pachirisu: we need more electric types, and people want it

Heatran: steel type with flash fire

Audino: regenerator

Maractus: actually gets some crazy move potential, acupressure, spiky shield, cotton guard, and is only 1 slot.

Emolga: flying type with motor drive, and we need more electric types

Alomomola: competitive would have a field day with it, that is all (or it’d be banned )

Heatmor: only Pokémon with fire lash, but most counterpartism for

Durant: perfect stats for body fusions, and is the fastest steel type body period

Furfrou: spriters would love the design potential, and fur coat is a fun ability

Diancie: see ribbon

Komala: koalas are cute for spriters and comatose is a fun ability

Comfey: pure fairy type, and triage would be crazy

[finite reef]

People want Pachirisu? Lies

[stuck bane]

At least 1 person in this channel wants Pachirisu

At the very least VGC memes

[finite reef]

It's a very vocal 1 person

[stuck bane]

Do you have a better idea as a final 1 slot?

A different pikaclone?

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

Squirrel

Need

[finite reef]

It's cute but we already have small electric mons

Great mon, but not for IF

[snow scroll]

Furfrou would be a legitimate gamechanger in artwork

[stuck bane]

We don’t have squirrels or flying squirrels yet, they bring potential for new animals

[snow scroll]

unfortunately

the silent majority doesn't make art

😔

[finite reef]

Kommo-o moment

[snow scroll]

you know it

[unkempt kernel]

Plus more volt absorb users

[stuck bane]

Ik, so many coats for spriters and fur coat

[stuck bane]

Is kommo even an animal? I thought it was based on some Hawaiian dance?

[finite reef]

We have tons of electric immunities already

[snow scroll]

is anything an animal in pokemon tbf

[finite reef]

I meant for non-spriter majorities

[unkempt kernel]

Ok? I just want my favourite Pokemon lol

[zinc prairie]

Free Floette Eternal

[snow scroll]

we have a seal named seel, a flamingo named flamigo, a cat named persian

and that about sums it up

(persian does not, apparently, look like a persian cat actually)

(TIL)

[stuck bane]

Also stop dodging my question pachi (and kind of carnivine/audino) were the final choices. If you got a better 1 slot to replace it with, I’m all ears

[finite reef]

Minior

Didn't see the question before

[stuck bane]

2 slots because forms have different stat totals unlike aegislash

Closer to meloetta than Aegi

But minior is a 3

[unkempt kernel]

Ok but Minior + Pachi

[finite reef]

They are different because of TYPE changes

[snow scroll]

even if minior wasn't great for fusion art

it's still like

so fun to use in-game??

these idiot NPCs can do nothing against Shell Smash + Acrobatics

[stuck bane]

Do we have a Pokémon that changes their base stat total without multiple slots?

[unkempt kernel]

I’ve seen some great Minior fusion

[snow scroll]

slap earthquake and power gem on for extra fun

[stuck bane]

Because afaik it’s just Melo and u necro

[finite reef]

And oricorio, not deoxys

[stuck bane]

Oricorio don’t have different stat totals right? And isn’t that different since it’s out of battle not in?

[unkempt kernel]

Oricorio has type change with its forms

[finite reef]

It doesn't have different bst, but the typing changes.

[unkempt kernel]

No star diff iirc

[snow scroll]

oricorio gets four forms

but deoxys doesn't

[finite reef]

Stats are exactly the same

[snow scroll]

this is a crime

[stuck bane]

So which ones have different BSTs

[snow scroll]

and i demand justice

[unkempt kernel]

Deoxys was added before forms were possible

[snow scroll]

is there no way to fix it

[finite reef]

Necrozma, Minior, Wishiwashi

[snow scroll]

like

why not patch the existing issues in the game before adding more mons

[cobalt river]

is there anything stopping them from doing miniors stat change as a game mechanic only without splitting the forms ? thats what id personally hope for otherwise it just becomes a pain to work w

[finite reef]

Deoxys speed would be sick

[stuck bane]

Yeah and only one of those is in game, so it’s closer to necrozma who takes 2 slots you’ve proven my point

[unkempt kernel]

Or finish sprinting mons that are like, under 50% done

[snow scroll]

if sacrificing Kommo-o would give us a fleshed-out Olivine

i would gladly put that lizard to the sword

[finite reef]

Do you know what else Necrozma has? DIFFERENT TYPES

You're literally proving my point

[stuck bane]

If they could make BST change, but ultra Necrozma seems to disprove it

[unkempt kernel]

Pretty sure the fleshed out olivine is coming next update for character customisation

[snow scroll]

Cianwood found dead in a ditch, more at 11

[stuck bane]

You’re not listening

Even if ultra Necrozma was pure psychic, like necrozma, it has different stat total

We can’t assume same typing means BST is magically gonna be fixed too

[worn copper]

What I'm learning from this is that coding this game is a pain in the ass and we should be thankful we can work with it at all

[unkempt kernel]

True

[finite reef]

Different types, multiple forms:

• Necrozma
• Oricorio
• Meloetta

Same type, only one form in IF:

• Deoxys
• Aegislash

BST doesn't matter

[stuck bane]

Yeah because Deoxys forms haven’t been added yet

And even then, same BST and out of battle

[finite reef]

So what you're saying is BST doesn't matter? Wow crazy

[molten latch]

Hello

[cobalt river]

i mean, itd just be ‘two slots’ but copying the sprites over to both slots at worst i dont imagine thatd be too killing gor it
but im a form split hater in general i disliked it for necroz n meloetta n id hate it for minior. i hope they wont get added for aegislash and deoxys 😔

[snow scroll]

I took two coding classes back in HS and gave up

[molten latch]

Maybe

[snow scroll]

people who can make the magic computer runes work get so much respect from me

[finite reef]

AEGISLASH

[stuck bane]

Same BST

[molten latch]

Huh

[finite reef]

Necrozma

[molten latch]

No wonder why

[snow scroll]

oh right

how does Aegislash work here, again?

doesn't it have two forms?

[finite reef]

Wait I'm confused now, what on earth is your argument?

[unkempt kernel]

It does but it’s just a stat swap

[stuck bane]

This is what I’m hopeful for. Both minior slots use same sprites, but are only different slots for coding purposes, it’s how I’m hoping pumpkaboo forms will work too

[finite reef]

Aegislash only has one form in sprites, however it's stats change with Stance Change

[molten latch]

Idk

[snow scroll]

I think what star's trying to get at

[finite reef]

Minior would only take up 1 slot

[cobalt river]

oh right pumpkaboo forms yeahhh ill trust in frog to not make us sprite different things for every form there

[molten latch]

I mean there is the Cherrim line.

[snow scroll]

is that some mons with different stats have different stat totals or smth

aegislash apparently has the same for both

[molten latch]

True

[snow scroll]

but minior has a discrepancy between meteor and core form

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh for pumpkaboo can’t they just make it alt sprites since it’s just a size diff?

[finite reef]

BST doesn't mean anything, stats changing does. However there's already support for that with Stance Change

[molten latch]

True

[stuck bane]

Ok maybe you being a spriter is confusing

I’m not saying give minior 2 slots to make your job as spriter more difficult, 1 minior sprite is plenty for you

I’m saying 2 slots may be needed for coding purposes since that’s what we’ve seen with BST changing mons in battle, our only 2 being meloetta and necrozma

[snow scroll]

do we have cherrim here

[molten latch]

No

[finite reef]

Those mons have different slots in-game because they have different types

Again, Aegislash

[stuck bane]

All sizes have different stats, but same BST, idk what will happen with it, could be 2 slots, could be 8, but it would def be 2 spriter slots only since it’s only size changing

[unkempt kernel]

Oh they do? Didn’t know that

[snow scroll]

alt sprites sounds better imo

[molten latch]

The Gourdgeist line is my favorite.

[snow scroll]

eight for extremely minor variations is just a waste of space

no matter how you cut it

[unkempt kernel]

Never really used the line cus they were version exclusives iirc and I used a diff grass type

[finite reef]

There aren't colour variations in slots, the bodies are identical

[unkempt kernel]

For Kalos

[stuck bane]

Aegislash doesn’t change its stat total. It doesn’t magically gain more speed like minior does when shields down activates, it only swaps defense stats for offense and vice versa

[finite reef]

BST literally means nothing. It's a number only used in-game for randomisers

[snow scroll]

out of curiosity, can I ask smth-

why is it impossible to add forms for older pokemon in the game?

couldn't you just put them near the back of the dex?

[finite reef]

It probably isn't, but then we would have to sort through every Deoxys sprite

[stuck bane]

This is such a flawed understanding of how BST works with fusion. BST is used to calculate the stat total of any fusion, including a completely vanilla playthrough

[finite reef]

NO THEY ARE NOT, base STATS are, not the base stat total

Base STATS, not BST

[stuck bane]

Iirc it’s 2/3rds head stats BST, 1/3rd head stats BST, and then vice versa for body stats

[stuck bane]

Let’s settle this 1 second

[finite reef]

Google what BST stands for

I see where you are going off the rails, you are confusing base stats with BST

[stuck bane]

I know it’s base stat total, so if I go to showdown right now, since only base stats determine fusions, I should not be able to determine the base stat total of any fusion since they don’t have them right?

[finite reef]

Am I having a stroke what are you saying

[finite reef]

Fusions have stats. Therefore they have base stats. My point is currently over the horizon it's so far awa

[stuck bane]

Woah? What the fuck? They have base stat totals? Like 600 for the Melo self fusions, 606 for the kommo meloetta

Gosh darn it seems fusions do have base stat totals

Let’s take it further and look at the actual calculations

[finite reef]

My good sir, when the actual have I said that fusions don't have bst

Bros arguing against ghosts rb

[finite reef]

This is my point. I'm going to leave now because you aren't debating against me, you're debating some random idea that nobody has said

[unkempt kernel]

New Pokemon discussion not having an argument for 5 second challenge (impossible)

[finite reef]

Jesus christ GOOGLE WHAT BST IS

Base

Stat

Total

That last word is crazy

[stuck bane]

If it’s only used for randomizers explain this

[finite reef]

Huh? Something is awry! The word TOTAL IS NEVER SAID

Base stat =/= BST

[stuck bane]

Nah but you used the acronym BST which I assume the T stands for total

[finite reef]

...and where is BST in the paragraph?

Lmao

[stuck bane]

If fusions don’t have base stat totals how do they get their base stats

[finite reef]

You have this the wrong way round, no wonder you are so confused

Tyranitar has a BST of 600.
It has a base attack stat of 134.

[stuck bane]

So you claim that base stats influence base stat total instead of the other way around?

[finite reef]

YES

[stuck bane]

Oh I see the issue 1 second

[finite reef]

BST is calculated by combining base stats, what on earth are you going to say

[stuck bane]

Minior’s stats

[finite reef]

Mew has a BST of 600;
100 base attack +
100 base defence +
100 base special attack +
100 base special defence +
100 base speed

[stuck bane]

Minior does swap attack and defense, this is like aegislash. What is unlike aegislash is magically gaining 60 speed in its speed stat

It’s based on stat total increases, unlike aegislash who has stagnant BST between swapping stats

[finite reef]

You are clearly very confused, heres a helpful diagral to allow you to understand better

[stuck bane]

I also realize now meloetta was a bad example because it’s BST doesn’t change so our only real comparison is U necro

[stuck bane]

Ok and how does this prove minior will only take 1 slot if u necro takes 2

If u necro is our only in battle changing stat total, how can we know the same won’t apply to minior

[finite reef]

...you are trying to prove your point by pointing at one example and saying "look! Theres a pattern!" While completely ignoring all other examples

[deft obsidian]

Minior gain 60bst in change form, it's similar to mega evolution

[ember bear]

what's the argument

[finite reef]

Does Minior take 1 or 2 slots

[deft obsidian]

Minior should be 1 slot

[finite reef]

EXACTLY

[finite reef]

^

Also Couragestar doesnt know what bst is

[deft obsidian]

I answered question.

Minior 100% will be 2 slot

[stuck bane]

Minior should be 1 slot for sprites

Minior might have to be 2 slots for code since that’s how necrozma works

[ember bear]

doesn't necrozma take one slot with two forms

[finite reef]

Minior should be 1 slot because thats how Aegislash works

Uh oh, the pattern! Where did it go?

[stuck bane]

Was changed to 470 after underscore system didn’t work

[rain locust]

minior takes up two slots in code

[ember bear]

oh

[stuck bane]

The cavalry of decent brain power has arrived

[finite reef]

Yeah, you definitely didnt bring it

[rain locust]

idk what were talking about i just got here

[deft obsidian]

But Aegislash dosen't get extra stat for changing form

[stuck bane]

I actually didn’t tho

[ember bear]

aegis just swaps stats

it's not really a different form

at least the way it works in if

[snow scroll]

are yall still arguing over forms

[finite reef]

So it is 2 slots because it has different stats, not just swapping stats. BST DOESNT MATTER

[deft obsidian]

Do you guys think they skip ash greninja like other megas?

[finite reef]

If Mew could switch to a new form named Mew^2, with stats of 80/120/80/120/100, it would take up 2 slots despite having the same bst

[rain locust]

ashgren comes from event so prob

[finite reef]

You accidentally came to the correct conclusion

[deft obsidian]

It does, if wasn't important,they added other megas.

[stuck bane]

Minior will def be 2 slots of code

Should be 1 slot for spriters though, but I could see frog possibly making it 2 for spriters so ima not guarantee it

[finite reef]

Base Stats =/= BST

[rain locust]

i still dont know what the arguments are

[stuck bane]

Me either and we’re getting nowhere

[finite reef]

Touche

[stuck bane]

If you bring actual proof minior def won’t be 2 slots, I’ll be around I guess

[finite reef]

Your argument was wrong but your answer was correct

[stuck bane]

I’d love minior, but everything is pointing to 2 slots

[deft obsidian]

BST = be super thin

[ember bear]

was there anyone even arguing against minior taking 2 slots

[stuck bane]

Apparently

[ember bear]

i have read the convo before and it just looks like you were arguing on a thing you were both agreeing 🔥

[snow scroll]

let minior have its two slots and call it a day

[rain locust]

wouldnt it be determined by whether the mons formes are useable outside of battle

[finite reef]

Yes, I was wrong and arguing with someone who was also wrong lmao

[rain locust]

aegislash cannot be blade outside of battle but melop can (i assume)

[deft obsidian]

I think they just add luvdisc, almolalalal, and we because pokemon infinite fish

[stuck bane]

Thank you for at least admitting it

[snow scroll]

almolalalal 😭

i can't spell anomololnoloma either

[finite reef]

Read this again

[stuck bane]

In regular games, no

In infinite fusion, it’s a field move to change Melo unless you use relic song in battle

[finite reef]

Please consult this handy chart

[rain locust]

so its not based on stats or typing its based off whether the form exists inbattle or outside of battle

[cobalt river]

minior having one slot to sprite for would make it a good pick minior having two would make it suck to work w thats my final take idc abt it having two slots for coding reasoms but for spriting reasons thatd drop it wayyy down

[ember bear]

let's just say it's based on however the fuck frog wants it to work

[snow scroll]

we should give deoxys its other three sprites

along with two new ones for accuracy and evasiveness

[stuck bane]

Kiiind of? Ultra necrozma originally tried an underscore system to make it a single slot, but it didn’t work so it was just changed to dex slot 470. Frog could try the underscore system again with minior, but I don’t see why at this point if slots aren’t an issue

[cobalt river]

god please no deoxys forms actual hell

[finite reef]

Deoxys speed wooooo

[snow scroll]

100% accurate focus blast

tremble and weep

[ember bear]

wait how would that work

[snow scroll]

never misses + never can be hit

[stuck bane]

I’d want forms of previous mons to make it in, like origin giratina and rotom, but at this point it’d be such a nightmare for spriters I think frog may just ignore it

[ember bear]

like just make those stats?

[snow scroll]

it's about as janked as you think it is

[ember bear]

ehhh

[snow scroll]

it gets the stats buffed manually at the start of battle

[deft obsidian]

Rotom forms oh god

[snow scroll]

so they're removable

but good luck trying LMAO

[cobalt river]

i pray other forms make it in… gameplay only. spriting wise that limits creativity so so much

[ember bear]

unaware

[finite reef]

Lycanroc Dusk

[snow scroll]

the elusive (nonexistent) Lycanroc Dawn

[stuck bane]

Honestly that could work, get the stat changes without needing to hamper sprites, I’d like it

[cobalt river]

yeah best o both worlds

[rain locust]

add megas

[ember bear]

added alcremie, now all forms need to be sprited

[snow scroll]

wouldn't it be so fun if you could just

[stuck bane]

At this rate Gen 10’s lycanroc Dawn will make it in before dusk Lycanroc

[finite reef]

We can finally have Arceus-Steel (Arceus-Flying)

[snow scroll]

swap to another sprite

and it would have the stat differences that a form would have

forget the nightmare of coding it for a second

[stuck bane]

Iirc, frog said he doesn’t like megas and won’t be adding them, ig it could be a showdown format tho since you already have natdex

[rain locust]

Unfroggers

[snow scroll]

vile amphibian

anyway, z-moves please

[finite reef]

No

[snow scroll]

[deft obsidian]

No

[snow scroll]

Yes

[finite reef]

Me when simple Z-Celebrate

[stuck bane]

Z-moves but no megas… honestly why??

[snow scroll]

mmmm z-moves

yummers

Z-Yawn

armies tremble before me

[deft obsidian]

What is even z move do? Idk

[stuck bane]

I mean? Ig a zmove kind of exists in regards to unecro? Since you use an item plus a move??

[stuck bane]

Z move make me sleep because zzzzz

[deft obsidian]

The reason we don't have pokemon z ^

[ember bear]

hey just wait a bit!

[snow scroll]

death

[finite reef]

I cant wait for Mega Incineroar

[snow scroll]

be fr rn

[cobalt river]

add zmoves complete with a little animation of making the sprite png like. stretch and flip for a funny dance its not a zmove without that

[snow scroll]

what are you even going to do when a magic cat pulls up to you with this

[deft obsidian]

You mean French ?

[stuck bane]

This is the true meaning behind legends AZ

They’re gonna make mainline remakes of kalos called Pokémon A(mimir) and Z(zzzzz)

[ember bear]

turn the light off (psychic can't hit dark)

[snow scroll]

pack it up psychicbros

dark's here

someone shut the lights off

[stuck bane]

Are humans psychic types? Because at the beginning of Pokémon RSE…

Or was there a light in the truck ? I don’t remember

[wet cliff]

humans are either fighting, psychic, or normal

i meant normal.

[snow scroll]

I could see a human being dark-type tbh

humans are capable of

[wet cliff]

it's called the evil type in japan iirc so you gotta be fucking EVIL

[snow scroll]

really screwed-up things

[stuck bane]

That’s the most depressing but true statement I’ve heard all day

[wet cliff]

Giovanni a dark type fr

[snow scroll]

CHIEF LET ME DIRECT YOU TO THE HISTORY BOOKS

im calling it rn

[ember bear]

nah he has a ground gym

[snow scroll]

take any human from our world

and plop them in pokemon

they'd be dark type by default

we dont have their childish whimsy

[stuck bane]

Bro he’s dark normal if anything he’s just some generic mafia boss

Ghetsis is def dark type tho

Cyrus…. Is apathy necessarily evil?

[ember bear]

bro is ghost

[cobalt river]

We know human psychics exist in pokeworld, we also know some folks have traits like shark teeth or just fangs
my running theory is that humans in pokemon still have some mew dna in them that has potential for all types within them- but in 99% of cases it just wouldnt present. Psychic type is the most ‘visible’ typing ppl can have (see some ppl just being able to float shit)
but other typings can still somewhat come through in very minor ways (physical stuff like fangs- or just stuff like Irida’s cold immunity lol)

but that is my obsessed w pokelore take

[ember bear]

dead inside

[stuck bane]

Fair

[wet cliff]

man

if i was in pokemon...

[stuck bane]

So that’s how humans survive in the Pokémon world. Checks out

[snow scroll]

he’s dark normal
can i OHKO him with a punch

[stuck bane]

I’d do a palworld

[wet cliff]

yeah

[snow scroll]

i will mach punch the mafia don into submission

[wet cliff]

introduce human weapons into pokemon

[ember bear]

yeah about that

[snow scroll]

and create a slew of new poison/fire types??

no SIR

[ember bear]

i just kinda get the impression that guns might not be enough for pokemon

[snow scroll]

nukes can stay where they belong

[wet cliff]

okay but

[stuck bane]

Maxie and Archie are ground and water types respectively because fuck you what else would they be

[wet cliff]

he has to be dark fighting right

[stuck bane]

Nah Giovanni is normal fighting you right

[snow scroll]

using bulk up wont save you gionny

[wet cliff]

or like

an axe

[snow scroll]

coil + fblast

[snow scroll]

I'd be super nervous about aiming a shotgun at a rhydon

like

[deft obsidian]

This discussion reminds me that one mandjtv video about pokemon types for humans

[stuck bane]

Or fairy fighting because of attract?

[snow scroll]

perhaps people havent seen what a rhydon can do

[ember bear]

it can surf

!

[wet cliff]

personally i think that humans as a species would only be psychic normal fighting and dark

and like they're like split evos

[deft obsidian]

Nu wall with stealth rock

[stuck bane]

Yeah Larry is def a normal type if I’ve ever seen one

[wet cliff]

you are born as normal but you can either become psychic, fighting or dark or stay normal

[snow scroll]

psychic seems more like an added bonus you get from birth IMO

if anyone could be a psychic by trying hard

[wet cliff]

yeah that's kind of an anomaly

[snow scroll]

there'd probably be a lot more

sub out "psychic" with "ghost"

[deft obsidian]

We have poison type human too.

[snow scroll]

assuming the deceased is regretful/hateful enough not to depart

[ember bear]

huh

[stuck bane]

Makes sense, wake is prob fighting, etc stuff like that

[wet cliff]

is it just cancer

[wet cliff]

yeah we did have those ghosts in lavender tower

[snow scroll]

uncle joe with his chronic addiction to something

which i cannot mention

[stuck bane]

Wait no humans can be ghost too because phantump

[wet cliff]

most fighting gym leaders would be fighting typ\

[snow scroll]

phantump being made from the ghosts of dead children was

smth

[stuck bane]

Nah but wake is water type just a wrestler

[wet cliff]

i mean you can be part fighting type