pif-hoenn-discussion

[steel meadow]

The amount of pokemon in the different gens

and uh gogoat run i guess

[velvet root]

Gogoat run is best run

[grave jolt]

Imagine if Kanto pokemon was native to Johto! the fandom would be up in arms!/j

[steel meadow]

Im soon at the triple fusion boss battle

[steel meadow]

Ho oh is basically gen 1 and native to johto

One of the first pokemon we saw in the anime

[grave jolt]

Funny enough among the most populat Johto pokemon

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure some are

A lot of Pokemon in Kanto, you only get by trade

But hey, at least you can get them in Kanto

Imagine you're playing a Johto game and you want Houndour

But find out it's only obtainable once you get to Kanto

[grave jolt]

I always forget Murkrow is gen 2; it seems so gen 3 to me

[clear lichen]

Or Safari Zone in HGSS I guess

They shoved a lot of Gen 2 mons not in Johto in the Safari Zone it seems

[steel meadow]

You really feel how rushed gen 2 was when playing it

[prime dust]

i mean the mainline games have always generally followed a every 2-3 years

release schedule

[steel meadow]

Silver was one year after yellow's release

Which in fairness was 2 years after reds release

[prime dust]

yellow was an additional game to the series, not part of the normal mainline

[steel meadow]

I consider yellow mainline as much as like platinum is mainline

[prime dust]

don't factor in the extra games, only factor the original release

96 - r/b/g
99 - g/s
02- r/s
06 - d/p
10 - b/w
13 - x/y
16 - s/m
19 - sw/sh
22 - sc/vi

only 2 instances in which they went above the 3 year mark, but otherwise its about every 3 years for another mainline game

[steel meadow]

Hopefully there is a bigger gap between s/v and next game

[prime dust]

depends on when they have ZA planned to release in 2025

[steel meadow]

ZA doesnt count as mainline if PLA didnt no?

[prime dust]

no, but that will impact gen 10 release in some fashion

[steel meadow]

I mean so did pla

impact gen 9 that is.

[prime dust]

knowing how nintendo likes to do things, i'm figuring either a before summer release, or a late holiday release, anything else makes 0 sense

[steel meadow]

I feel like they need to take more time with their releases either way after how buggy scarlet and violet was

[prime dust]

they won't

[sullen elbow]

Pla's release also made 0 sense so theres precedent for It

[prime dust]

again, pla isn't mainline

[sullen elbow]

I thought you were talking about ZA's release date nevermind

[steel meadow]

Do we think Giraffe can one shot 2 of the legendary birds with choice specs discharge?

[prime dust]

i mean that was part of it

[prime dust]

uh

[steel meadow]

Sorry Blissey/Jolteon

[alpine rune]

one way to find out

[prime dust]

was gonna say "man that must be some girafarig"

[steel meadow]

i'll be sending it.

Its my only super effective move thats spread

[prime dust]

"we have zebstrika at home"

[steel meadow]

Zebstrika at home kinda powerful

Aslong as they hit me with special moves i might even get 2 discharges off

Oh shit was easy.

[lean hedge]

Yay greninja comes in the game

[steel meadow]

Im happy for delphox

[lean hedge]

Greninja and Lucario would be so good

[steel meadow]

already in spritework

[lean hedge]

Love it

[molten latch]

So. . . .

[worldly sail]

damn, it's ash's best pokemon

[empty halo]

Remember, 474 and 475 haven't been revealed yet!

[grave jolt]

Holy shit

Isn't that water/steel too? Rocking type

[molten latch]

Indeed

[molten latch]

Hello Poshi

[tawny kayak]

Yo can someone tell me settings to pick i dont know what i should do

[compact orbit]

I do love the pattern that the games that took the most time (DP and BW) are widely regarded as some of the best in the series, lol. Wonder why?

[prime dust]

i've heard the exact opposite

[compact orbit]

Well, at the end of the day, it is an opinion based stat

Everyone will have different answers

[steel meadow]

I think most people regard one of gen 3-5 as their favorite in my experience

Might just be the people i hang out with tho

[compact orbit]

Yeah I’d agree with that

Here’s my hot take though: people don’t give sun and moon enough credit

Easily one of my favorite regions to explore

[steel meadow]

Sun and moon was one of the few pokemon games i quit right after the champion

Im sure usum was better tho.

[full star]

Sun and Moon were great outside of the tutorial and walls of text that were most of the cutscenes

[compact orbit]

I can kinda agree, I don’t personally remember that many text walls, but the tutorial is basically the entire first island

[full star]

Sometimes it felt like the NPCs would stop you after every route to talk and talk and talk

And then RotomDex

[compact orbit]

Ok, yeah, screw Rotom dex

[full star]

RotomDex might've been cute or funny if it wasn't so annoying and in your face

[compact orbit]

The NPCs I can forgive though, it’s a slightly confusing region, and that’s why I like it

[steel meadow]

I tried to nuzlocke usum and had to take so many pictures of that damn pikachu after every wipe

[compact orbit]

Hm?

[steel meadow]

Stupid rotom dex

[compact orbit]

You mean Mimikyu?

[steel meadow]

When you get into the city at first they show you a tutorial with the rotom dex that u can take pictures of stuff

and so they make u take a picture of this pikachu thats hiding behind a wall

[full star]

Yeah :((((

[compact orbit]

Oh yeah

[steel meadow]

i mustve done it like 30 times

[compact orbit]

Well, I mean… you were the one who wiped 30 times then…

[full star]

The forced tutorials almost made me quit my replay of the region last year

[steel meadow]

usum is really hard to nuzlocke if you put additional challenges on urself...

[compact orbit]

I recently nuzlocked regular moon, with a gemstone theme for the names

I remember learning a lot of mineral names that way

Like Zircon

And Aurichalcite

[full star]

I do like how the region of Alola actually tries to stay true to the real-life location it's based on

[steel meadow]

Also alola has the best pokedex imo

although some regions have more peak pokemon

[full star]

It's something that you can't even ask for in modern games anymore

[worldly sail]

it's time to feed snorlax some random food

[compact orbit]

Like, overall, or of new Pokémon?

[steel meadow]

i barely noticed s/v was based on spain except for some of the dialogue

[full star]

Yeah 100%, Silvally was one of my favorites hat never got a chance to shine

[steel meadow]

overall i think its the best generally

[worldly sail]

I forgot about type null

[steel meadow]

like pick a random pokemon out of the dex and u probably get a banger

[compact orbit]

I guess I can also thank alola for my favorite Pokémon of all time

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-toxapex-sun-and-moon-gif-8058979134209972363

[steel meadow]

Toxapex is awesome

[full star]

Only one I really didn't like was Bruxish
But there's at least forty Pokemon that make up for it

[compact orbit]

Brutish is actually alright

[steel meadow]

Alomamola is another one i didnt like (that i think is from alola atleast)

[compact orbit]

That’s unova

[full star]

Alolomola is Gen 5

[steel meadow]

lmao.

It almost has alola in the name tbf

[compact orbit]

Yeah I guess

[steel meadow]

Im blaming gamefreak for my confusion

[full star]

Plus Gen 7 actually tried to tell a good story

[compact orbit]

Mhm

There was actual character growth

[steel meadow]

I did not notice the story in gen 7 for the most part

Except lusamine stuff

[compact orbit]

And characters we saw more than once who were likable

[full star]

Meanwhile, Gen 8 and 9 had almost no good story

[steel meadow]

gen 9 had great story imo

[compact orbit]

Woah woah woah

[steel meadow]

Arven storyline was really good for pokemon standard

[compact orbit]

Gen 9 story is really good

[grave jolt]

Y'all remember how Kanto and Johto are just Japanese prefectures? Now paldea is just a vague blob

[inland jewel]

Gen 9 had a great story, its juts held back by its frames rates

and tutorials

[full star]

I only liked Arven, but the rest of it was way too weirdly loose and needed more tightening up

[steel meadow]

The team whatever storyline was fine aswell

[inland jewel]

that vague blob is the iberian peninsila

(spain and portugal in real life)

[grave jolt]

Hell, Sinnoh and Hoenn are just Japanese islands rotated.

[full star]

I didn't understand why I needed to be doing half of what I needed to do outside of "It's what Pokemon is about!"

[steel meadow]

Yeah i mean there wasnt really any sense of urgency i guess

Like you werent a 10 year old out there saving the world like the other games

[full star]

And then Area Zero threw all the story that could've been told gradually and have it make sense throughout the game into one huge hour-long area

[full star]

You don't need urgency or a good excuse like saving the world to be motivated to keep going
All you need are reasons outside of "It's what you need to do"

[steel meadow]

I mean you had a reason no?

Power of friendship and that?

[fathom ridge]

Spain mentioned 🗣️(and Portugal too )

[full star]

I didn't really get that
The rival was annoying, never even felt anything for Penny, and Arven was the only good character

[steel meadow]

Suprisingly i liked a decent amount of the characters in gen 9

[inland jewel]

i wish we got an annoying main rival again

[full star]

I wish more was done about the dragon honestly

The dragon felt more like a character than 90% of the people

[steel meadow]

Cant say much for this latest dlc though, havent played it

huh what dragon?

[grave jolt]

Contrast Paldea with Hoenn

[full star]

The box legend

[compact orbit]

Koraidon/Miraidon

[steel meadow]

oh that guy

[fathom ridge]

I liked the gen 9 games, if they weren’t so unoptimized they would be pretty good imo

[full star]

Maybe the dragon learns what you're trying to do and cheers you on while being too scared to fight itself

[compact orbit]

Are you talking about the final fight of Scarlet and Violet?

[steel meadow]

This + if it felt less like a boss rush

[full star]

With just a little more work, the dragons could've been the franchise's Toothless

[steel meadow]

I just didnt like them if im being honest

[compact orbit]

You do realize the Ai locked every one’s pokeballs except theirs , right

[steel meadow]

I felt weird flying around on this legendary pokemon from the start of the game

[full star]

It probably felt weird because the story didn't give you time to bond with this powerful legendary

[grave jolt]

I think the worst in shape is Unova, but at least it has geographic semblance of it's irl inspiration.

[full star]

I would've preferred if you had to unlock riding it

[steel meadow]

Yeah they didnt give the dragon much of a reason to like you other than sandwich

[compact orbit]

You.. do

[full star]

You do, but you don't
It's almost instantaneous and you don't really get to bond with the dragon before riding

[grave jolt]

Everyone thought it'd be endgame content

Before release I mean

[compact orbit]

You also don’t have to bond with a Pokémon you just caught before sending them out to fight for you

[grave jolt]

The Rangers are in shambles

[compact orbit]

Ha, yeah

so is your ds touchscreen if you played a ranger game

[steel meadow]

Its just weird that you get to ride this awesome legendary pokemon after the intro of the game

[full star]

There's a pretty good difference between "wild animal that's overall healthy and willing to help people" vs "ancient/futuristic traumatised dragon that could obliterate most challengers with ease"

[ember bear]

gets bullied by houndours

[full star]

If there was even a cutscene of you getting the dragon to trust you enough to try riding it, it would be way better than just one or two cutscene repeats through the game

[full star]

Houndours the player probably wouldn't have trouble with in the right circumstances lol

[steel meadow]

im sorry this game scarred me with this so u need to see it too now.

[full star]

But this is all my opinion from what I've played, so I'm not going to be upset if you disagree :D

[full star]

Wish I could sprite ngl, I'd be supplying so many Silvally sprites

[steel meadow]

I cant do art

But luckily people make art and then i can sprite them

This gogoat/whimsicott is drawn by someone called goldegummybear and i sprited it 🐐

[full star]

Most of my art is on my 3DS with Pokemon Art Academy lol
Almost never escapes sketch phase, but I've already done a few Silvally drawings

[inland jewel]

its not to hard tbh, as they say practice makes perfect

i know some spriters just take the base sprite and use designs from there to help add

[steel meadow]

My opinion is if i can learn to sprite literally anyone can learn it

[inland jewel]

when i was making Raikou/Aururus, i used Aurorus's triangles to help add spines to theback

a little duplicate layer here and suddenly row of spines

[white meadow]

When will new Pokemon be announced?

[steel meadow]

we dont know

[white meadow]

My issue is that I can't draw physically so I can't do good sprites cause I don't have a reference

[full star]

I'm just worried I need a good program to sprite, and by the time I get good at spriting, I'll be too busy with irl stuff to put anything out there ;-;

[inland jewel]

#1263858526829416539

[steel meadow]

Yeah i cant draw either but people do make concept arts that u can sprite OR you can just think of it as assets that you are supposed to mix and match for a fusion

[inland jewel]

there are a ton of free programs out there that you can use

[steel meadow]

I just do it on my phone on a free program

[inland jewel]

I myself use Paint.net

[steel meadow]

Let me get all my sprites so u have an idea what u can do with basically no art experience

[white meadow]

I tried once and it sucked ☹️

[inland jewel]

but yeah, the entire point of #1263858526829416539 is for peopel who can't sprite but want to submit concept art for people to turn into sprites

so if you're problem is no references, then def check that out

[white meadow]

I use piskel, is a pretty easy web to use

[inland jewel]

yee i can pull up my own collage

[steel meadow]

Ever since 31 ive used other peoples concept art to sprite.

[white meadow]

I have Dysgraphia 😔, if y'all want me to explain it tell me cause no one know what it ks

[steel meadow]

Yeah ima need a explanation on that

[full star]

Nah, I get it

Took me so long to be okay at drawing since I have motor skill issues

[white meadow]

It's like a hand problem, Psychomotor one? That doesn't allow you to draw or write properly

Also with problems of picking up pencil, grammar and stuff

[steel meadow]

Wouldnt pixel art be awesome for someone with that condition though?

Cuz u can just do it 1 pixel at a time

[white meadow]

And I want to do fakemon myself but since I can't draw them I can't pixel them

[full star]

Ngl I need references to draw my Pokemon fusions, can't imagine trying to do pixel art referenceless and only one at a time

[full star]

(Especially little details like spots, fur tufts, and particles

[inland jewel]

for most of these are just overlaying one mon on top of the other and end editing by pixel to make it look right

[white meadow]

My hand writing is like this (is in Spanish anyways)

Normally I don't use references I just sprite what I figured out in my head lol

[inland jewel]

even then in pixel spriting you only need to click a dot

[steel meadow]

I think my handwriting could be worse

[inland jewel]

my handwriting is way worst

[white meadow]

That's when I take time to write so imagine when I don't

[full star]

Is it bad my handwriting is worse and it's only legible because I've had to practice for hours on end-

[white meadow]

Yeah but dysgraphia also Carries pain when you write more than you should, like REAL PAIN

And you can't write for minute and it you have an exam you're cooked

[full star]

I don't have dysgraphia myself, I just have autism and it tends to cause issues with fine motor skills (writing style, typing, multi-tasking, etc)

[white meadow]

This is some of my sprites, I don't draw or sketch a reference, I just make it

[inland jewel]

you see, those are cute sprites

[trail hull]

cuties

[inland jewel]

you don't need to go insane, just something that looks like they're fused

[white meadow]

I'm neurodivirgent too because of the dysgraphia but I want to see if I have autism or smt like that cause its most likely

[white meadow]

Still I want to do fakemon but yeah I can't

[steel meadow]

You definetly could.

Just take your time

[white meadow]

I also make Mistery dungeon icons

[inland jewel]

if you have an idea of what the fakemon is supposed to look like, you can take parts from existing pokemon and adapt them

[trail hull]

don't worry I have a struggle with space irl and my writing/drawing has problems but I still became a spriter

[inland jewel]

like take a Koridon foot here, a Girafarige neck there

[trail hull]

it jsut takes longer

[white meadow]

Idk man... because if I don't have a clear image then it will be difficult

[inland jewel]

even the smallest progress is still progress

I have a campaign for D&D thats literally years in the making, and its all because the smallest ideas that i randomly get and throw into a folder

and its slowly coming together

[white meadow]

These are fun to do anyways

[inland jewel]

its not ready to run by any means but I know that its getting there

[full star]

Best way to do that is to do a lot of research, really think on if you have these traits of autism or another neurodivergency that may come up, and then, if possible, seek out a diagnosis
Just keep in mind I had to campaign myself for years before I could even get in

[white meadow]

If I get a job I'll will try to do that first

[inland jewel]

I guarentee you, each small step you take you'll feel so proud of yourself when you get to the finish line

[white meadow]

Ty!

[inland jewel]

you just need to be consistent on acumulating the progress

even if the consistentcy is like once per week or once per month

adding little at a time will help you get out of the rut of "I can't do this"

[white meadow]

Today I was proud of myself for the first time in years cause I did an English test to get a title and I think I got a higher level that the one I was aiming too

[inland jewel]

LFG!!!!

[full star]

Congrats :D

[white meadow]

Thanks! I don't know if I'll get the title or not because the exam wasn't for that title so... I'll see in a few weeks I guess

[inland jewel]

keeping my fingers twisted that you get the title, and a mon that you want gets in

[white meadow]

I mean in Spain we have 3 levels of languages

A1-A2 (basic)
B1-B2 (general)
C1-c2 (advanced)

I took the test for b2 and the results said it was c1

[silent acorn]

Channel still alive hehehe

[silent acorn]

Pensé que lo que tenían eran regiones de dificultad

Like how in Spain they have like 35% of lingo and regionalisms

So bad is the thing that when translating something it tends to seem like some sort of ol Victorian exclamation of something

So we have 487

To reach 500 we need 13 more

What could they be

This is not counting the mysterious two slots behind lurantis reveal

So 15

What could these 15 be I wonder?

Could fit about 4 three stage lines in there

[white meadow]

Que yo sepa son niveles

Is lurantis added yet

[molten latch]

I love it

[glass patio]

pq hablan en español

[marble meadow]

some news should be this or next week

[fathom ridge]

Not in the game yet, probably next update

[prime dust]

your math is wrong

[prime dust]

english only

?tag rule22

[opal trail]

Rule 22 CODE OF CONDUCT: Speak English in channels outside of #international and, only speak the given language in the #international channels. These channels exist to allow fans to chat together in their languages of choice without the flow of conversation being disrupted by messages the rest of the channel cannot read.

[glass patio]

i asked why r they speaking in spanish

[trail hull]

#1281990772740067378 after this one thezre will only be one starter left to do

[balmy aspen]

Still need Heatran.

[trail hull]

there's more deserving legendary if we could have one

[balmy aspen]

Nope. He's the only Steel type with Flashfire. It's a must.

[steel meadow]

I rather have diancie because of all of ribbons work with their sprites

[trail hull]

same

[balmy aspen]

What I want most is Corviknight, but it's Gen 8

[trail hull]

and even in showdown we can't sprite gen 8

[balmy aspen]

I wanna fuse Talonflame and Corviknight to get my username lol. Ravenfire. Would be awesome.

[trail hull]

it just gives talonknight and corvikflame (both of those name are sick tho)

[next flare]

Corviflame is synonymous with Ravenfire

[silent acorn]

En jerga me referia

[silent acorn]

That would be neat if it actually was possible

But unfortunately I think it uses a special sprite repository from IF

[trail hull]

yeah

[silent acorn]

Not gonna lie the last of Chestnaught is a it underwhelming

[trail hull]

but hey at least more mons gonna be able to have sprites

[silent acorn]

How about having two other dugtrio heads where the shoulder spikes are?

[silent acorn]

Yes

I do wonder tho

How they picking?

Is it a staff pick like last time?

[trail hull]

maybe

[silent acorn]

Totally based non Dragon Tribe interference

[trail hull]

starters were promised to join at a later date and we finally got some , then for froms there was a talk about spliting giratina and rotom forms

[silent acorn]

I mean

Giratina aint that different

Just chonky legs or spikes

Rotom on the other hand

Honestly if they separate rotom then there is no point to having castform over

Multi elemental fusions?

[grave jolt]

Castform gets weather forms and Weather Ball

[silent acorn]

Ah yes weather ball the signature move /s

[grave jolt]

would force the dev to either fix weather or leave Castform as a broken mess

[silent acorn]

Nah

Let them devs be chill

WEATHER CHAOS HELL YEEEEEEEESSSSS

[grave jolt]

abilities triggered by weater just don't work atm

so no sand rush Excadrill/Garchomp until it's fixed 😔

[hazy fable]

if castform was picked then it might get fixed

[bitter knoll]

any good aerodactyl fusions?

[zealous lichen]

noivern has a good one with it

iirc

[bitter knoll]

ok

imma try this new 6.2.3 update on a new game and see what starters i get in the remix mode

[prime dust]

remix uses the same starters

[zealous lichen]

unless you meant randomized mode

[prime dust]

you can choose other starters on any save outside your first one

[prime dust]

they specifically said remix

you can't randomize remix before you choose starters

[zealous lichen]

yeah but they could have been mistaken

[bitter knoll]

oh shoot mb sorry havent played since like 5.2.3 so kinda new for me lol

[zealous lichen]

lol

[bitter knoll]

yea i beat it before its just been a long time since ive played so

[prime dust]

remix = modern

remix has the same starters as classic unless you tell them game you don't want to use the reuglar starters

then you can choose if you want to use kanto, johto, hoenn, sinnoh or custom

[bitter knoll]

its fine

i went back to random and got a gardevoir for starter lol

[zealous lichen]

not bad

[bitter knoll]

200k dang ok this is definitely new to me now

ok im definitely not fusing my gardevoir with a lickilicky looks weird

thoughts on zoroark?

[swift zinc]

For the meme, smash.

[full bison]

If you wanna discuss your playthrough, there's a channel for that.#playthrough-talk

[marble meadow]

any news yet

[bitter comet]

When do y’all think the next mon will be revealed?

[full bison]

The announcement said "in the coming weeks," so maybe it'll be one reveal per week

[prime dust]

if that is the case, we won't see the update til either late dec or early next year

one mon reveal per week is pain

[full bison]

One reveal can be multiple slots, like whole evo lines or legendary groups

[fathom ridge]

I hope they announce one soon, I can’t wait!

[prime dust]

i mean they just announced some so i doubt we will see anything til late next week

[full bison]

Hell, if it somehow is the UBs, one reveal could be 11 slots

Unlikely,but hey

[prime dust]

that'd just kill the potential

11 slots being nothing but UBs is a waste

[full bison]

They're probably getting added at some point, and they'll take the same amount of slots regardless

[bitter comet]

I hope we get the Cosmog line

[full bison]

Cosmog line makes sense considering Necrozma is all by itself

[umbral river]

Same with the Cosmog line, though I think it'll be its own update

[prime dust]

legends will get events and those take longer to add, we might get a few this time around, but i doubt we'll get 11

[umbral river]

I'm no showman, but I'd probably not want to announce that we're adding 13 new mons if a large majority of them are legendaries

[prime dust]

15

not including what has already been revealed

[umbral river]

okay 15.

[prime dust]

there are 15 slots open

[full bison]

Technically UBs aren't legendaries but OK

[prime dust]

tomato potato

[umbral river]

Look...

Mythicals, also technically aren't Legendaries...

But like how a knife is not technically a sword, both can still stab you

[prime dust]

i know the full nonsense but i'm just defaulting to that term

[silent acorn]

Gamefreak inconsistency

[prime dust]

its easier to classify them all as legends, even if they fall into a different category

[silent acorn]

Don't go down that hole

[umbral river]

Yea

[silent acorn]

FOLKLORIC LEGENDARY

No bs

Mythical is pretty useless category anyway

[prime dust]

but yeah, 15 slots of which 11 are legends...that'll go down real well

[silent acorn]

How do you know 11 are?

Like Ubs?

[prime dust]

theory from earlier convo Hound

[silent acorn]

I like Ubs but adding them all right now isn't good

At best I'd argue a trio is like the most reasonable move

Not a whole collection

[umbral river]

Besides, adding so many "legendary-adjacent mons" in general would be wacky considering they all are only able to be collected, like, once

[silent acorn]

Or maybe thr X and Y duo

[silent acorn]

Twice actually

[prime dust]

i can see maybe tops 4 slots being "legends"

[silent acorn]

Shedinja dupe

[prime dust]

anything more than that really kills the potential of additions

[silent acorn]

I'd make sense to add y and x at most

[stuck bane]

Part of me wants to say “there’s no way it’ll be Kalos legends as well considering they just revealed starters”, but there is a way, and I feel it’s likely we’ll get Xy duo or 3 forms of Zygarde (not both, I’m hopeful for cosmog though)

[silent acorn]

Xerneas is one of the only legendary or special fairy pokemon

[prime dust]

that would include zygarde, which is 3 slots

[umbral river]

I prefer non-"legendary-adjacent mons" because they're a lot more common

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-beast-wormhole-pheromosa-upside-down-anime-gif-13903526

[silent acorn]

After that you count them with fingers

[prime dust]

so for x&y legends that is 5 mons which, i'd be okay with

[silent acorn]

Yeah... Well I don't know it depends on the team how that one counts

Volcanion is kinda eh

Diancie is neat

Hoopa is badass

[stuck bane]

15 slots but 5 of them are Xy legends? Eh, idk, at that point probably better just to say 10 more slots and offer xyz as a bonus

[silent acorn]

Then Xerneas and Yveltal are the old type of cool legendary pokemon

Very edgy world changing pokemon

Last ones were Alola

[stuck bane]

Then again, 500

[prime dust]

yes, crystal rainbow deer and bacon birb

[silent acorn]

Then it became king Arthur level of relevance

[stuck bane]

Idk

[umbral river]

I like the legendaries that are more toned-down in their scale

[prime dust]

and no, you can't unsee Yvetal as bacon birb now

[umbral river]

And the Pokemon stories that are more scaled-down for that matter

[silent acorn]

We can forever disagree on that

Feels important to their region and well not much else

[inland geyser]

I don't like when they make new pokémon that look 20 times crazier than the old ones.

[umbral river]

...Well, okay, not exactly haha

[silent acorn]

Not that I hate it, I love reshiram and zekrom

Kyurem too

[umbral river]

And I don't hate the creation trio, I love them

I just also love the legendaries that are... not so grand in scale

[prime dust]

https://youtu.be/pC3Ihck76_0?si=j6n__Xo8Y95JwHt1

i had to because of that comment

[umbral river]

Maybe I am a contrarian, but I love it when there's just, anything pushing against the norm, so with the bulk of legendaries having such worldly (or otherworldly) reach and power, it's also nice to have legendaries who are, yknow, smaller in scale!

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-head-roll-jester-gif-5390395606877382630

[inland geyser]

They absolutely did push the ball a little too far on Gen 5 having God in it

They really thought they were done with pokémon that year or something

[umbral river]

They thought they'd be done with Pokemon in like... Gen 2

From what I remember

[marble meadow]

i want blacepholon cuz silly clown or kaboom fusions

[umbral river]

I want Kricketune

Delelelelelele wooooooooop

[wind plover]

I think minior sould be addent to ge game, they are so loved and there are people making minior fusions

[marble meadow]

true

[umbral river]

They should add spoinK

springy

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/guzzlord-glutton-dragon-eating-wood-pokemon-anime-gif-9823662392850060805

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[umbral river]

Guzzlord in this gif looks like he's on his 5 minute break at a 9 to 5

[marble meadow]

guzzlord would be intresting to sprite

[umbral river]

I think the UBs would be really interesting to sprite for, both head and body wise

Just probably won't make it into the game yet

[marble meadow]

can,t wait to get some origami fusions with kartana

[proud lion]

#1282031119734145206

[wind plover]

Guys ultrabeast are not gonna be added to the game

[marble meadow]

oh speking of new mons braixen or delphox should have a mangle/foxy fusion as an alt but i dont know what mon would be fitting

[silent acorn]

Wansnt it gen 4 that had arceus tho?

[silent acorn]

No

NO

NO

[marble meadow]

but in the end whatever the reimaning mons will be i think ralliv can make them cursed or creepy

[silent acorn]

I know what the last mon is

[hexed agate]

Klinklang line is pure machinery

[silent acorn]

The actual troll

[silent acorn]

Hello there relic of the bygone era

[wind plover]

I think porigon will work

[hexed agate]

[silent acorn]

Give us juicy info

Lol

Just kidding

[hexed agate]

okay

trainer cards

[silent acorn]

Yes?

Customization?

[hexed agate]

#1281689585235267716

[silent acorn]

Pretty juicy actually

[steel meadow]

Are pokemon that has less than the required completion allowed to get a trainer card??

[hexed agate]

not officially

[steel meadow]

Aww...

I was thinking about making a gogoat one just incase gogoat gets in

[hexed agate]

you can still send it, and I'll toss it in the non-team flag pile

aka maybe will be used eventually pile

[steel meadow]

I'll wait with it for a while. No need to stress it as the pokemon isnt even in the game

[terse fable]

or is it

[steel meadow]

not yet anyways

[silent acorn]

You know

[fathom ridge]

They should announce all the new mons by showing them in pory’s oficial play through like the starters

[silent acorn]

I wanna give Delphox a spin

In Pixel

I never finished the Bastiodon and at this point I wonder if I'll ever finish blislass

[fathom ridge]

Trueee you were doing that one for speed spriter

[silent acorn]

oh blislass how have I failed you

[silent acorn]

Too many interruptions in my surroundings

Plus me losing focus and then wanting to play a game

[fathom ridge]

Hey that’s actually not that bad tbh

[silent acorn]

This is the one I put most focus on honestly

[silent acorn]

I been too shy to put it in Spritework, maybe at some point

[silent acorn]

Thank you very kind of you

[fathom ridge]

I would put it in spritework ngl, you get very good feedback

[silent acorn]

Maybe later, there is one for this one right now

But I am interested in helping fill out Delphox

I was excited for it as well as lurantis

[fathom ridge]

The kalos starters are pretty solid yeah

[silent acorn]

Kinda tempted

[silent acorn]

I was thinking of doing a head on body

What mon would be a good idea?

I was thinking Delphox on Hitmonchan would make a boxer with pants

Or would the big fur pants be part of body?

[fathom ridge]

Those are the questions society isn’t ready to answer

[silent acorn]

But they must

Imma go with its the body

Lemme do japeal and see what kind works

[fathom ridge]

There are some Pokémon that have fur that looks like clothes

[weak trellis]

like throh/sawk (ok more like "flesh" than "fur" but same deal)

[waxen sleet]

Hey I know that this is an old message, but I showed your Serenade fusion to a friend of mine who absolutely loves Battle Network and she says that you're based for having them as your favorite Mega Man character.

[white meadow]

PLEASE ADD GOLISOPOD AND/OR XURKITREE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-gif-9674416

[ashen cloud]

i think most ultra beast fusions would be amazing

like kartana would add such a fun body for spriting

origami versions of each mon

[spiral island]

Blacephalon would probably make for some creepy and cool fusions

[silent acorn]

Yeah and Noipole would be fantastic

Yeah and Noipole would be fantastic

[worldly sail]

we can get a cortana fusion name with it

[silent acorn]

MORE DRAGONS

[spiral island]

Especially with Mr Mime

[bitter comet]

That would be cool

[worldly sail]

who tf is noipole

[spiral island]

I think they meant to say Poipole

[worldly sail]

oh

oof

[spiral island]

Any more dragons and this’ll probably start looking more like Yugioh lol

[spiral island]

Though Noipole could be the name of the fusion of Noibat/Noivern and Poipole

[worldly sail]

I thought that too lmao

[spiral island]

Also, I’m a little sad that Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist didn’t make the list of Pokemon voted to be added to the game because I’m a sucker for Ghost types and I like their designs in particular. They could make for some cool and spoopy Jack O Lantern Halloween themed fusions

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/anipoke-pokemon-gif-23760704

[wet cliff]

Damn

Do you know what dragon i like but everyone forgets

[spiral island]

Shoot, my guy

[molten loom]

Drampa?

[wet cliff]

Druddigon

[spiral island]

I see

Honestly, I respect that as someone who played X years ago

[hollow creek]

hey now, I love druddigon

https://tenor.com/view/druddigon-petting-pet-druddigon-pokemon-rough-skin-gif-13024017315206678110

[spiral island]

Again, I respect it. You both have my respect

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/dragalge-pokemon-kalos-amie-pet-gif-27372804

We NEED dragalge tho

[worldly sail]

yeah, never really liked druddigon

[spiral island]

I however personally am not a fan of Druddigon’s design or BST. Druddigon looks too generic and plain as a Dragon Type imo

[spiral island]

Dragalge’s cool :>

[hollow creek]

I really want gourgiest too

[spiral island]

Same

[molten loom]

Same

Just something about it I don't like

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pumpkaboo-head-lights-light-eyes-gif-14126094

[wet cliff]

Druddigon should get a regional

[spiral island]

Pumpkaboo’s a cute lil spoopy goober :3

[spiral island]

A regional variant could be interesting

[inland jewel]

What if he got an evolution

[spiral island]

That would be cool

[wet cliff]

would be nic

[full bison]

What statline would we even use for Pumpkaboo? The common Small BST?Or the stronger Super BST?

Can't have all of Pumpkaboo's forms in at once cause that would be 8 slots for only 2 different looking Pokemon

[marble meadow]

good question but fusion wise just the different sizes

[full bison]

Naganadel fusions could be really cursed considering how Poipole evolves

[spiral island]

Stronger? Super sized Pumpkaboo has the highest hp and lowest speed of the Pumpkaboos. It’s attack stats don’t change afaik

[full bison]

Super Gourgeist has a Base Attack of 100 compared to Small's 85

[spiral island]

Oh, you mean Gourgeist

[full bison]

Either way, both members have 4 distinct statlines, and the visual differences between all the different forms isn't significant enough to justify adding all of them. Only one form's statline can stand

[spiral island]

Or they could just make Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist’s stats a median of their sizes

[empty pendant]

give it the highest stat of both the smallest and largest

[full bison]

That wouldn't even be OP, funny enough. The strongest stats from each Gourgeist being lumped into one gives an HP of 89, Attack of 100, and Speed of 99. That would probably be RU by Gen 7 standards.

Especially considering it's movepool is mediocre

[empty pendant]

yeah that's not actually particularly unbalanced

ok

yeah no I unironically support Best Of All Worlds Gourgeist

[prime dust]

acceptable

[prime dust]

Best of All Worlds Worst Gourgeist

[spiral island]

But, it learns Shadow Sneak, Shadow Ball, Razor Leaf and Moonblast

[prime dust]

as we said, mediocre

[spiral island]

Oh, wait. It’s SP ATK isn’t good ^^;

[prime dust]

and that is why

[full bison]

It also doesn't get shadow claw for some reason despite having more distinct claws than a bunch of other Ghosts that do learn it

So Shadow Sneak is it's only viable Ghost STAB unless Poltergeist is added

[spiral island]

Maybe in a future Pokemon game, they should give Gourgeist a new evolution

[prime dust]

yeah we'll put that on the list right behind more eeveelutions

[molten loom]

Hoping Legends ZA gives a Dragon Eeveelution

[prime dust]

we desire the remaining eeveelutions gamefreak

we have been patient

[spiral island]

Hoping Legends gives Starter Mega Evolutions (and makes Delphox a starter in the game)

[full bison]

The Gen 6 starters not having Megas was such a bizarre decision

[spiral island]

Ikr??

[trail hull]

Gamefreak are lazy they don't want to make more eevulutions because that would mean each time they make a game with eevee they would have to make 18 other models alongside it

[full bison]

The gen 7 starters had their own Z moves, the Gen 8 ones had their own Gigantamax, that's such a bizarre outlier

[spiral island]

They could’ve easily gave Delphox a Mega and made it Fire/Fairy

[trail hull]

mega evolution (aside to make diancie special) was the way to give old pokemon some new love so it was the equivalent to regional forms/convergent/paradox

but now that gen 6 is old it's time to give it its own megas too

[prime dust]

not really, they wanted a different gimmick

[spiral island]

You mean like Battle Bond?

[prime dust]

we don't talk about that

[spiral island]

What different gimmick then if not that?

[full bison]

Honestly I'm imagining the Gen 6 starters will get the same treatment the Gen 4 starters got in L:A

Hopefully they'll still get Megas tho

[prime dust]

oh you know, the gimmick of semi truck blaring horn drives by, making whatever I say unheard that gimmick

[spiral island]

Uhh

I still don’t know what you mean even with that truck joke 😅

I’m gonna assume you mean Battle Bond 😛

Because that’s the only other gimmick they could’ve done for the Gen 6 Starters

[analog stag]

No I saw a theory on this. It stated that there will never be another Eeveelution because all the Eeveelution are based on special attacking types and if they did another it’d break that.

[full bison]

I despise that theory so much

[spiral island]

So, if that theory’s true, then they wouldn’t even make a Ghost Type Eeveelution??

[analog stag]

Ghost is physical

[spiral island]

No, it’s not

[full bison]

It's basically just more pattern seeking brain nonsense

Like how Min-min totally won't be in Smash because she's already a Spirit

[analog stag]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cvn23DLmTPY&si=E-V4ZUqIe5qHpnAC

[prime dust]

yeah but then that means trying to lore a reason for a dead eeveelution

[prime dust]

then give us an alternate to eevee that uses the phsyical side

[spiral island]

Eevee being in a place like the Pokemon Tower surrounded by spiritual energy could work

[analog stag]

That’s exactly what he proposed

[full bison]

Lockistin has the same problem as Game Theory where he insists on his theories above the evidence and has massive confirmation bias

[analog stag]

That if they did the physical ones they’d make a new Pokemon for it

That acts as a counterpart to Eevee

[full bison]

His Gen 7 theories were horrible about that

[spiral island]

If I may ask, how come you think Ghost is a physical type? Prior to Gen 4, sure. But, it’s more of a special type now

[analog stag]

It was prior to Gen 3

The only new “special” type introduced since Gen 3 was Fairy

[spiral island]

Ghost was physical prior to the physical/special split and was changed to special

[full bison]

Saying Fairy is a special type is pure conjecture because that was after the split

[analog stag]

Doesn’t matter it was still physical prior to the split, which is where the original eeveelutions and probably the concept for special only got started

[full bison]

And you can't say that it's because of how there's more Special Fairy moves because there's more Phys Dark moves and that was Special

[spiral island]

I don’t understand what made Gamefreak decide to design Ghost types as a physical type in the first place tbh
Makes no sense at all

[analog stag]

Yeah same

Ghosts inherently aren’t physical lmao

[spiral island]

Examples like Banette and Mimikyu I can understand. But, not ones like Gengar or Mismagius

[full bison]

The "Eevee can only evole into Special types" thing also annoys me because Umbreon was originally supposed to be Poison.

[weak trellis]

lick.

since that's the only move in the first gen that needed the distinction (the only other ghost move was night shade which was fixed-damage)

[spiral island]

Yeah, but making Shadow Ball of all things a physical attack?? C’mon, Gamefreak…

[analog stag]

Also the only ghost types in gen 1 were also part poison

[spiral island]

Gen 1 shouldn’t have had only the Gengar line. They should’ve made more Ghost types

[outer matrix]

It's physical?

[analog stag]

The idea was that dragon and ghost were these super rare types iirc

[spiral island]

It used to be physical

[analog stag]

That’s why only 1 dragon line and 1 ghost line

[spiral island]

It’s special now

[analog stag]

And then Gen 2 only adds 1 new ghost type

[spiral island]

And yet ghosts were a very prevalent part of Lavender Town in Kanto

[spiral island]

Which is stupid imo

[analog stag]

And the ghost gym leader didn’t even use Misdreavus

[spiral island]

Mhm

And Agatha’s more of a Poison Elite 4 member than Ghost technically

[weak trellis]

because misdreavus was a super secret postgame mon (same with larvitar)

gens 1 and 2 both look really strange in hindsight after how much work gen 3 did to smooth out the franchise for the other 6 gens to follow

[umbral river]

Wasn't Dragon-Type a special type before the split?

It could get an Eevee

[weak trellis]

yep, I think that's because Dragonbreath but I forget how it was in gen 1 since the only dragon move in gen 1 was fixed damage

[umbral river]

I mean if Gamefreak really wanted to, all of the types could get Eevees

[umbral river]

Dragon Rage

That was the move in gen 1

But a Dragon-Type Eevee would be fun, and kinda funny (if I had a nickel for every time one of the Eevolutions had a type that was immune to another Eevolution type)

(...it'd honestly be more surprising that it'd only be two, with a dragon-type eevee)

That being said it is really weird that Dragon is not Physical, I usually think of moves like Dragon Claw / Dragon Tail when I think of a Dragon-Type move

I suppose there are more special Dragon moves than Physical?

[trail hull]

dragon type eevee makes so much sense considering we got fairy type eevee in gen6

[ornate tide]

Dragon rush exists but sucks

Outrage can be useful-ish

Very useful in a playthorugh

[umbral river]

I'm honestly a touch surprised we didn't get a Dragon-Type Eevee to pair with Sylveon to showcase the Fairy's immunity to Dragon

Kinda like what I think(???) they did with Espeon and Umbreon

[ornate tide]

Maybe idk what game freak cooks

[umbral river]

I mean who knows, maybe they ran out of time to add a dragon-type eevolution

[trail hull]

yeah

[ornate tide]

What would they even call it

[umbral river]

Wyveon

[ornate tide]

Drakeon like what is a dragon eeveelution being called

[ornate tide]

Okay that works

[umbral river]

Which matches with Sylveon too because of the -veon

[terse fable]

Oh Gamefreak, they do nothin but miss lately

they have cool mon designs still tho I'll give them that

Not all the time but y'know

[umbral river]

So does this mean we can expect dragon type eevee in legends za

👀

[ornate tide]

Eh at least it’s not as bad as when X and Y dropped

[terse fable]

would be sick

[terse fable]

true loll

[ornate tide]

Gen 6 is carried by Oras

[umbral river]

Yea,

[ornate tide]

It’s not even funny 💀

[umbral river]

I really wish they'd been given like, two Pokemon games worth of time for X and Y

[ornate tide]

X and Y could been some of the best pokemon games all time lore wise if they actually cooked

So I pray legends za is good

[umbral river]

I don't know what happened with development but I feel it's an easy guess that so much of the development time was eaten up by the transition from 2D to 3D

[terse fable]

Nintendo stopped cooking when they realized they can release shit or re-hashes and still get paid lol

[umbral river]

They had like. Over 600 models to design

[ornate tide]

SM and USUM where actually pretty good

[terse fable]

but Scarlet/Violet got an exceptional amount of hate so maybe that changes things?

[umbral river]

Granted, they weren't new designs, just new models, but still

[terse fable]

i dunno

[ornate tide]

Pacing was horrible but like 💀

SV are very fun games

Just very rushed

[umbral river]

I believe S/V also made them a ton of money regardless

[trail hull]

it was a pixe art studio and they suddenly had to make a full 3d game , gen 5 was 2.5D as they did use a bit of 3D models but making a thing completely in 3D was new

[umbral river]

I mean, the story team for S/V cooked. Same with Legends: Arceus

[trail hull]

yes but they still tooj tume

[ornate tide]

Getting B2W2 then getting X and Y is crazy

[terse fable]

Well legends areceus was good all around

pretty much anyways

[ornate tide]

Story teams have cooked recently except for Gen 6 and Gen 8

[trail hull]

pokemons have extra anmations playing during synchro and team star raid so they did try to put care in the game but time is the problem

[ornate tide]

Gen 6 isn’t recent anymore nvm

That game is old as hell

[terse fable]

I have decent hopes dor the next legends game

[umbral river]

They cooked in gen 6 it's just that GameFreak tossed out their meal

[trail hull]

gen 8 was a let down

[terse fable]

as for the next mainline, i dunno

[trail hull]

you were gatekept from the story

[ornate tide]

Gen 6 story is very forgettable*

[trail hull]

I don't wanna do the gym let me help destroy the bad guys

[ornate tide]

💀

[umbral river]

The story that they had planned, or the one actually in the game? From what I've heard those are two vastly different things

And the one actually in the game is, yes, very forgettable

[ornate tide]

Most memorable thing about gen 6 is the E4

Gen 6 as a concept is good

In game practice X and Y were shit

[trail hull]

while wo got leaks for gen 6 story I hope we one day get some for gen 8 I wanna see what they had in mind because I can't imagine making such a dry story

[spiral island]

I liked Pokemon X qwq

[terse fable]

I also just find the newer games a lil eh cause they just feel so lifeless once a battle actually starts, never been a big fan of them but they could still ake them feel more alive then they do

[umbral river]

I liked Pokemon Y :)

[trail hull]

I enjoyed all games I ever played from gen 5-8

[ornate tide]

SV was fun ngl

[terse fable]

I mean hell they take out more then half the mons from the damn games at least up the animation lol

[ornate tide]

I didn’t enjoy playing X and Y and Swsh

[umbral river]

I liked S/V but I wouldn't play through it again

[spiral island]

I haven’t finished Violet and idk if I will

[umbral river]

And some games aren't as replayable, but I find pokemon games fun to replay

[trail hull]

I have finished both scarlet and violet

[fathom ridge]

When you can play that game is very good, I wish it wasn’t so laggy

[ornate tide]

How I finished pokemon Scarlet it was such a memorable experience

[umbral river]

Now I will say I would absolutely play through the ||Area Zero storyline|| again

That was fire

[spiral island]

How I finished Shield and Legends Arceus are both memorable experiences for me

[fathom ridge]

Are u going to tell the story

[trail hull]

I had scarlet just to get the exclusive but accidentally bought the dlc for scarlet instead of violet so I had to beat scarlet , the kitakami dlc was funnier to me then the indigo disk

[spiral island]

In Shield, I brought my Cinderace out against Leon’s Charizard and managed to take it out in an epic Gigantimax brawl, and in Legends Arceus, my Typhlosion outlived Giratina

[umbral river]

Indigo Disk had a bunch of Unova references

[trail hull]

I know

[ornate tide]

The best storylines in Za is the that one and Arven storyline ngl

[terse fable]

The newer games and gens do bring some decent story beats at times ig, really just think every now and then they cook with a mon design or two

[ornate tide]

Arven was my goat

[umbral river]

Arven's was awesome

[ornate tide]

Nemona is insane but her story gets good post game that’s about it

[trail hull]

penny was fun to and then nemona was ok

[umbral river]

I wish Pokemon had more storylines about not "legendary-adjacent Pokemon"

Like Arven and the Mabosstiff

[trail hull]

tho interactions between the friend trio are absolute gold

[ornate tide]

True

[trail hull]

it feels like teenagers

[umbral river]

I remember Penny clowning on Nemona and Arven being sad about his parents

[ornate tide]

Arven Penny and Nemona dynamic is amazing

Made them truly memorable side characters

[trail hull]

also while apparently peonny is penny's dad I think penny might be adopted

[fathom ridge]

The best part of gen 9 is koraidon, the Dinosaur doggie is so good

[trail hull]

because peonny and his family are much more tanned

[terse fable]

Still wondering if Pokemon will ever make their own like All Stars pokemon game either mainline or a side game, where it's like a new region and has all the fan favs from every gen up to that point, kinda plays out like the Journeys anime except good, would be hype

[umbral river]

I wonder if Pokemon will ever make a Pokemon game without needing to include every single gen 1 Pokemon

Maybe they have

I dunno

[fathom ridge]

Oof they couldn’t develop that game in two years so idk

[terse fable]

trueee 😂

[trail hull]

mobile game might be able to do this but not gamefreak

[fathom ridge]

I wish gamefreak had more time, I think they could cook

[ornate tide]

Team star leaders have cool designs

[ornate tide]

I have a slight hope for legends za

[trail hull]

also pokemongo is the the pokemon game that has the msot different regional gimmicks and pokemon in it

[ornate tide]

I mad that we didn’t get anymore unova tho

[fathom ridge]

Yeahhhh I was so hyped when they said the game wasn’t coming the year they announced it

[umbral river]

Actually I mean what's stopping them from including all the Pokemon again, cuz it isn't, like, console restraints if S/V have most of them in the game after the DLC, but it also shouldn't be time restraints because they should already have them all made because Gen 6 & 7 have all the Pokemon

[trail hull]

don't worry according to the pattern we will get one in gen 10

[ornate tide]

If gamefreak has time I need B3W3

[molten loom]

what if they made it 3d though

[umbral river]

Pokemon Jet Black & Constitutional White

[ornate tide]

They need to develop it for like 4 years at least

[trail hull]

remakes always happen when the latest gen is 2 times more (aside from gen 1)

[terse fable]

they say it's console restraints basically, but really I fell they just know they don't have too, people will buy anyway lol

[ornate tide]

So they don’t butcher Unovas glory

[fathom ridge]

Eh, I actually think cutting mons wasn’t that bad, it was about to happens eventually with how big Pokémon has become but doing it in SwSh was a very bad idea

[umbral river]

Sure can't be console restraints

[ornate tide]

We should get gen 5 remakes next

Gen 7 remakes would be crazy

[umbral river]

Gen 8 remakes

[ornate tide]

Actually a future version of gen 7 would actually be cool

[umbral river]

Just hop a couple generations to try and redeem themselves

[trail hull]

the legends game can do any regions they want but the remake have to be in order

[ornate tide]

Older versions of gen 7 characters would be interesting

[fathom ridge]

I hope they dropped remakes in favor of legends game bc I love that concept

[ornate tide]

Based of SM canon

When Lily goes to kanto

I hate that they removed Lily to kanto in usum

[trail hull]

where is lily in usum?

[umbral river]

I'd argue for remakes more if we didn't have access to the older games but at a certain point, you have to just do something like emulation since a remake will too become unavailable

[ornate tide]

I think Lily is still in Alola

And Gladion goes to kanto

💀

[umbral river]

But yea at this point just give me the Legends games

[trail hull]

why would he go to kanto?

lilly in sm had a good reason to go to kanto

[ornate tide]

Idk what bro was doing but he did in usum

[terse fable]

Remakes from pokemon are kinda nasty nowadays, like either do it like heartgold/soulsilver or don't bother

[fathom ridge]

Tbh at that point let’s just have a virtual console, it is very cool to have so many old games on consoles like the switch

[ornate tide]

I don’t remakes I want like a expansion on content

Like a future version of base game would be hype

[umbral river]

I'm just glad they didn't kick off the Legends idea with Kanto, starting with something like Sinnoh was really cool

[terse fable]

yeyeye'

[ornate tide]

Alola with a well developed league would be interesting

Or give Alola like a 4 year timeskip

[fathom ridge]

That’s basically the legends game tbf

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh that would be cool

[umbral river]

I'm still hoping for a Legends game based in the Paldea region, cuz the lore of Paldea states that 2000 years ago it was a different region based on China

[terse fable]

I wonder if the next game will have an older Ash in it, since he's like, gone

[ornate tide]

I wish they would make a pokemon game based of the story of pokemon adventures also

[terse fable]

secret Ash boss fight

[hollow creek]

I feel like out of all kalos starters, delphox has been the best of them for spriting

[terse fable]

mainline I mean I doubt legends would lol

[umbral river]

Oh yeah this is an IF discussion for new pokemon

[fathom ridge]

That’s more fitting for the anime

[hollow creek]

Like I love greninja but im having trouble coming up for idea with it

[terse fable]

oops

[molten loom]

That's because Delphox line is best starter line

[fathom ridge]

Lol that’s true

[molten loom]

imo

[umbral river]

It is

But!

[hollow creek]

[umbral river]

The others still have some merit

[fathom ridge]

Carbink ended up being a banger, I love it

[hollow creek]

i have some greninja bodies but like I cannot come up with a concept for a head fusiopn

[umbral river]

Greninja head fusions can always focus themselves around, well, ninjas, stealthy, all that stuff

[terse fable]

Carbink is better than I expected

[hollow creek]

I never doubted carbinki's potential for a second

[terse fable]

didn't really care for them at first

[umbral river]

There's a bunch of different ninja things you can pull from

[zealous lichen]

so its crazy to me right now we have been adding like 200+sprites a day to spritework

[hollow creek]

the theming is easy its just working around the head shape and legs

[fathom ridge]

I didn’t dislike it, but damn it ended up being better than I expected

[terse fable]

but now it's like Sableye has a female counterpart n that's kinda cool

[hollow creek]

binki for the win

[molten loom]

Besides the fact carbink is genderless

And Sableye is 50/50

[fathom ridge]

My only Carbink sprite has another version that’s way way better

[umbral river]

Yeah at first I didn't think Carbink would make anything too much different from Sableye, but while Sableye could make gemstone-themed fusions, Carbink does make gemstone-themed fusions

[zealous lichen]

lol I havent done a Carbink yet

[hollow creek]

what fusion was it

[terse fable]

well it looks girly to me so that's my take lol

https://tenor.com/view/carbink-gif-25570509

[umbral river]

Carbink looks like a Carbink

[molten loom]

Want to know something else

[velvet root]

Arent Carbinks male if we look at the Pokemon movies voices

[fathom ridge]

this fella

[zealous lichen]

looks great

[terse fable]

let me have my peace loll

[fathom ridge]

this is the other one

[molten loom]

That is a great sprite

[hollow creek]

SHITTTT yeah ik that feeling, cause the other torterra carbink its nuts, but that one is pretty good though, you're comparing a 7/10 to an actual 10/10

[molten loom]

cute

[fathom ridge]

i still like my geode tho

[velvet root]

Im still not a Carbink fan

[terse fable]

[fathom ridge]

can i show you my favorite carbink?

[terse fable]

yea most Carbink sprites I've seen have gone hard

super fireee

[hollow creek]

Well, theres 15 more slots until 500 so anything can happen

[velvet root]

sure

[elfin forge]

Same honestly. Still doesn't do much for me

[zealous lichen]

so not going to lie I thought it was sunday because I lost complete track of days

[fathom ridge]

by ralliv, does it convert you to the carbink ways?

[velvet root]

meh

[terse fable]

MEH??

that's wesome

[zealous lichen]

everyone has their preference

did they say anything about an announcment today?

[terse fable]

mm nope

[fathom ridge]

I love the bisharp line, this sprites felt like it was made for me

[bitter comet]

Here’s a cool one

[molten loom]

This is when you drop a

[zealous lichen]

lol

[fathom ridge]

stop posting that image

[bitter comet]

#1281719762640179281 message

[velvet root]

kinda nice
Bit unpokemon like shading

[hollow creek]

@velvet root thoughts on the kalos starters being in

[fathom ridge]

nah i think you cant be converted to carbink

[velvet root]

I like them

[hollow creek]

of course, theres a pokemon from kalos youd like more than the starters

[bitter comet]

What about this one #1282072673190678569 message ?

[velvet root]

Hard to recognize Milotic

[fathom ridge]

i think delphox isnt getting as many sprites as it pre evo

[civic harness]

Well, Carbink gets popular

[molten loom]

A middle form getting sprites, wow

[umbral river]

I just realized something, Fuecoco line is the only fully quadrupedal Fire-Type starter line in Pokemon

[bitter comet]

Here’s one that I thought was cool #1281873735095287828 message

[tender plank]

OH GOD. THAT'S.
THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

[fathom ridge]

the first guy is biped right?

[umbral river]

Good heavens you're right

[fathom ridge]

i still love fuecoco

[umbral river]

What's the final evo for fuecoco?

[unkempt stone]

Hmmmmmm

[umbral river]

Skeledirge

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-mmd-quaquaval-meowscarada-skeledirge-gif-27307981

[umbral river]

Skeledirge is still the only final evolution of a fire-type starter that is quadrupedal

[umbral river]

Well dang, you got me there

[fathom ridge]

bipedal?

[unkempt stone]

You mean Quadrepedal?

[fathom ridge]

i love the little bird it has

[umbral river]

The smol bird is awesome

[fathom ridge]

its sad that no gen 9 mons can enter, so many bangers are locked

[umbral river]

It's a shame gen 8 mons can't enter, we don't get the grace of Falinks ;-;

[terse fable]

If I could have the apple boi, I'd die happy

[umbral river]

Yessss, Applin ftw

[terse fable]

bread dog is also nice, would be cool too

[dark prism]

they cant seem to decide if typhlosion is or not these days lol

[fathom ridge]

i think the best part of gen 8 where the regional forms, they were so cool

[umbral river]

Gen 8 gave us Snom

That is the best part of Gen 8

[dark prism]

but it can stand up regardless so you're still basically correct

[terse fable]

Typhlosion got that bear energy that why

[fathom ridge]

wait thats true

[umbral river]

Actually I think Typhlosion counts as quadrupedal more because it moves around by walking on all 4 legs

If I rember correctly

[terse fable]

I think so

[umbral river]

It's not based on its stance, it's based on how it moves around

Which is why Greninja is bipedal, it moves on two legs

It just props itself on a frog-like arm to strike a ninja pose

[fathom ridge]

greninja would be tripedal, and thats cool to say so i chose to belive stand counts more

[umbral river]

Greninja doesn't walk around on 3 limbs sadly :(

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/typhlosion-gif-8376518097932393987

well there we go

[umbral river]

Yeah there we go

[terse fable]

lil qt

[umbral river]

So I take it back, Typhlosion and Skeledirge are the two Fire-Type Quadrupeds

[fathom ridge]

yeah that would be too cool to be true

[umbral river]

True, give Greninja a third frog leg right now

Make the tripod frog

[terse fable]

I'm still wondering how they're gonna do different versions of the starters for x/y like they'll most likely do

[fathom ridge]

i feel like i should be more hyped for greninja in IF, but im kinda overexposed to it from it being so popular

[umbral river]

If they ever do a regional form of Greninja for whatever reason, like for a legends game, I'd love if they made it Water/Poison and based it off a Poison Dart Tree Frog

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/typhlosion-hisuian-typhlosion-hisui-gif-24574581

this was cool

[fathom ridge]

megas seem like the obvious answer if you are talking about legends ZA

[umbral river]

I think they wanted to imply that we were getting new Megas

[drowsy moss]

does swampert count as a quadruped? if not then samurott is the only water quadruped

[umbral river]

I wonder if this means we'll be getting new Megas instead of regional forms for ZA

[molten loom]

Thing I'm most happy about is hats on pokemon

[terse fable]

I'm talking about legends yea but you don't think they'll give them different forms? last legends game did but i dunno

[molten loom]

But also Fennekin line is my fav

https://tenor.com/view/fennekin-braixen-delphox-princess-beauty-gif-12783273486860828582

[fathom ridge]

swamper is 100 percent a quadruped, its like a bear that stands up to attack

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-fennekin-smile-happy-gif-8563163

[umbral river]

Legends ZA also might have major differences with Legends: Arceus

[terse fable]

most likely yea

[umbral river]

For one, we're locked to one city in ZA

[terse fable]

God I want ti put hats on mons

[fathom ridge]

i think delphox has the most potencial for fusions i would like in the gen 6 starters

HATS ON POKEMONS

[molten loom]

I think that was one of the best reveals

[terse fable]

I'm just trying not to think about it cause I'm sure the updates gonna be forever from now and my heart can't take that 😭

[fathom ridge]

the best one for sure, idk if any mon would have been better

[fathom ridge]

true

[umbral river]

The only thing better than the hats reveal would be something absolutely unexpected because it wouldn't be in the scope of what we are expecting

[fathom ridge]

there is always the option of manually giving hats to the sprites

[molten loom]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message
And done in a way that doesn't put much on spriters

[umbral river]

Like the only thing that could get me more hyped than hats on Pokemon is gen 8 in IF and that's just super unrealistic

[fathom ridge]

i wasnt expecting hats tbh

[molten loom]

Same

[umbral river]

Exactly

That's why it's the most hype thing for me

[fathom ridge]

is not unrealistic, it just in the far future

[umbral river]

The way it's constantly described is that it's unrealistic to expect it to be added

Not because it's impossible

But because it'd be far much work, more than I'd expect the frog to go through just for funny free fusion game

[fathom ridge]

ive heard from some staff members that it is possible but just harder than older gens

[terse fable]

If they ever add even one gen 8-9 mon it's so over

the floodgates are open

[fathom ridge]

SMOLIV

[umbral river]

FALINKS

[molten loom]

And these are the floodgates

[fathom ridge]

i need to do a arboliva fusion and put it on roserade

[umbral river]

Imagine Gen 8 got added before Slurpuff. Imagine the wars between Slurpuff and Alcremie fans

[fathom ridge]

alcremie is 100 percent better imo, bc it also has body potential

[terse fable]

Honestly that would be the most psycho shit ever, the last mon added in is a Frog add and it's a shit mon.. but from gen 8 or 9 👀

[umbral river]

That'd be hysterical