pif-hoenn-discussion

[trail hull]

Sad

[marble meadow]

Well I wait

[deft obsidian]

Snakes eat frog
And emboar is Thorny
That's hint

[stuck bane]

I was about to say no but… I mean Emboar kinda is thorny or maybe that’s the copium talking

[unkempt kernel]

Its the copium

[green laurel]

more spikey, less thorny

[proud lion]

“We have seen and heard your comments about the Gen 5 starters. So we decided to speak up and bring them in.

||as Monkis.||”

[stuck bane]

Unironically next best thing of Gen 5 starters aren’t possible

See here

[trail hull]

I wonder how many Pokémon of each generation (that we can have) are missing ?

I know gen 5 has 117

[green laurel]

this doesnt include the new ones

[trail hull]

So 23 for 7 and 19 for 6

[stuck bane]

If it matches up with this then it’s correct

[trail hull]

Thank you courage

Oh you guys are thinking we’ll get a starter set. I don’t think so but if it’s true then it’ll be a pleasant surprise

[ashen cloud]

gen 5 definitely needs more representation

[proud lion]

Amen

[trail hull]

Guys I have a dumb theory on the 2 extras. What if they are type null and its evolution because they can use disk to change type and change color for a part of their body

[proud lion]

Eelektross, Conkeldur, Gothitelle, Lilligant, Cryoganol, etc

[unkempt kernel]

I mean maybe but arent they classed as mythicals?

Ik they are legends but im not sure if they are proper legends like the beasts or the birds, or if they're sub legends / fall under mythicals like mew

[civic harness]

Hello again

Another day

Another try to predict the reveal

[trail hull]

There’s a play trough of the new update today

Unfortunately I’ll have to go to sleep before it starts but it will showcase all of the new features

[velvet root]

All info we have to the new starter theory

[alpine rune]

Also him playing a run might also be a hint I think

Like hints all across the livestream

[civic harness]

I didnt notice the blue + frog message before

Is about gen 6.3

[agile olive]

also the yellow role was removed, just leaving green red and blue for starter colours

[civic harness]

Monkeys

[eager jungle]

[civic harness]

Hello there Term

[eager jungle]

ngl, i wish i knew something xD

[civic harness]

We know

But

We cant trust everyone

[kind forum]

its funny watching y'all with your conspiracy theories

[eager jungle]

🍿 here, take it x)

[civic harness]

Same

[kind forum]

[civic harness]

And I have the perfect strategy, just wait

People want you become crazy

So

Just sit and see the chaos

[proud lion]

Sadly I won't see the live reaction as I have work

[green laurel]

ill record it for you

[trail hull]

Send it to me too please

[green laurel]

ill post it in general, right after the stream

[trail hull]

Yippee

[unkempt kernel]

If we are getting the gen 6 starters then that gives me a third mon to add to my ninjas theme run im planning

[trail hull]

So assuming we get them the new update would gives us a total of 17 new mons , which would gives us around 16k more fusions

WoW

[unkempt kernel]

Ye if thats only the confirmed mons and not the 2 unknowns

[static ridge]

Can't believe I didn't think about that

[molten latch]

Indeed

[trail hull]

Im counting the gen 6 starters and the 2 extra slots. Else if we count only the extras we’re at 7,5k

[molten latch]

Indeed

Pretty sure the 2 spots could be Malamar

Barbaracle

Dragalge

Or Clawitzer

[clear lichen]

I still think it's gonna be a troll and be Volbeat and Illumise

[molten latch]

True

[trail hull]

Fun fact if we were counting all of the Pokémon in gen 7 + the extra forms that got a different dex number we’re not even at half of the fusions possible with all of the Pokémon currently in game

[molten latch]

Could be

[clear lichen]

Which extra forms are you including though?

Actually mechanically different ones like regionals I'd assume

But you shouldn't count stuff like Red Core Minior and Orange Core Minior as seperate

But yeah, I can see that

There are a lot of forms

[proud lion]

#1281219538930630707 WIP

On a side note, I was the only one that made fusions with Quillidan and Frogadier before the potential reveal

[hazy fable]

damn PIF ARG when??

[stuck bane]

How is it a conspiracy though? If it looks like Gen 6 starters, and sounds like Gen 6 starters, then by god it might just be Gen 6 starters

I’m holding onto hope cope though

[storm rose]

I want grumpig

[next flare]

Any of the aquatic gen 6 mons would absolutely be amazing additions

[molten latch]

Ye

Could also be Gen 7

But I think is vaguely

[fathom ridge]

what if when pory starts the run the gen 6 starters are just there?

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s what we’re thinking

[civic harness]

Hello there Courage

What is your theory today?

[stuck bane]

My theory is I’m depressed that Gen 6 starters are getting in before Gen 5 and the theory is all but confirmed

[civic harness]

#spriter-general message

Part of the theory?

[stuck bane]

Almost certainly not

[civic harness]

And if?

[stuck bane]

If you wanna believe it sure but I doubt it, seems like a funny goof more than anything

[civic harness]

That is what they want, make you believe in lies

[half needle]

any news?

[stoic sluice]

Same

[half needle]

honestly? best theory i've heard so far

[stoic sluice]

Guys think that it would be a gen 6 starters

[half needle]

could be cool i guess but i think gen7 would be cooler

[stoic sluice]

Hers is a theory

[half needle]

i just assumed they always use ferrothorn and thats why they said that

[velvet root]

I expect the roles to be seperate and actually be Minior
They thought of adding purple etc too at the beginning

[half needle]

if its gen 6 starters that implies the number gap is xerneas and yveltal

[velvet root]

Dont think so

I expect we get gen 6 starters
Minior
Furfrou

Also gen 6 fits to the customization update since gen 6 was the first time it got added

[stuck bane]

Why do I keep coming back here

It just keeps making me more depressed the more is confirmed

[dense perch]

gen 6 starter > gen 5 starter

not by much but still

[stuck bane]

Opinions are opinions

But in my heart they’re still the best

Where’s that one theory I made, the entirety of every other region will be added before we even get halfway through the unova dex

[prime dust]

by a lot if you use the old poll results as a reference

4.07%

[stuck bane]

A 4% lead isn’t that much, not even a 20th

Let’s also remember this is main vote, same main vote that considered kommo for its pseudo status more so than fusion potential. Greninja popularity (it won Pokémon of the year 2020 iirc?) also hard Carries, no matter if there is or isn’t fusion potential

Main vote also picked salazzle as third place and I promise you not everyone who picked her was looking at only corrosion

[broken kestrel]

if they make a mass update they need to ignore fan votes and hard focus gen 3

there's not enough gen 3

[stuck bane]

Gen 5 would like a word according to this chart

[sterile spoke]

Just the fact that they have secondary typings goes a long way, honestly. 😅

Having an extra Fighting, Psychic and Dark Pokémon is better than just a Fighting one. 😢

[hexed agate]

Emboar

[broken kestrel]

gonna theorycraft an update of about 40 because that was what the last big one was iirc. overall goal of filling out gen 3 more and representing underrepresented types (bug, electric...)

• zigzagoon/linoone
• wurmple/silcoon/beautifly/cascoon/dustox
• lotad/lombre/ludicolo
• electrike/manectric
• makuhita/hariyama
• plusle/minun
• numel/camerupt
• barboach/whiscash
• baltoy/claydol
• corphish/crawdaunt
• tropius
• combee/vespiquen
• snover/abomasnow
• blitzle/zebstrika
• emolga
• swirlix/slurpuff
• grubbin/charjabug/vikavolt
• wimpod/golisopod
• togedemaru

[sterile spoke]

We need more Fighting-types in general, so I propose the new trio of Emboar, Hisuian Decidueye (Chesnaught is lame) and Quaquaval. 😉

[stuck bane]

There’s arguments to be made for pure and dual typings, pure can be used as head or body, whereas dual can only be one or the other

[hexed agate]

Gen 7 starters are also hype, Unga cat is a lad

[sterile spoke]

The Wurmple line was quite near the bottom, I think. 😮

[stuck bane]

You want percentage or numerical list

[sterile spoke]

I have both of those. 😛

Not on my work PC, but I have them. 😉

[stuck bane]

Even updates to Carbink?

[sterile spoke]

No, but that's easily done. 😂

[hexed agate]

This year's or last?

[sterile spoke]

The last one. 🙂

[hexed agate]

I don't have that :√

[stuck bane]

Fighting is still like bottom 5 in numbers (32) but is in the upper half of percentage

[hexed agate]

Frog hates me

[sterile spoke]

I don't anymore, but when I had access, I don't remember them being too high. 😅

[alpine rune]

Guys

[sterile spoke]

In proportion to its position in the main series up to Gen VII, it's the most underrepresented type. 😦

[alpine rune]

Wake me up when pory plays the game

tnx

[sterile spoke]

By quite a wide margin, surprisingly. 😅

[hexed agate]

Dw, I'll @someone

[molten loom]

Where was Amoonguss on the ranking?

[stuck bane]

Percentage Order:
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
46/89 Psychic Types (51.6%)
70/135 Water Types (51.8%)
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
54/97 Grass Types (55.6%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
38/67 Fire Types (56.7%)
32/56 Fighting Types (57.1%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
30/47 Fairy Types (63.8%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
42/62 Rock Types (67.7%)
34/50 Steel Types (68%)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
39/48 Dragon Types (81.2%)

No it’s not

[sterile spoke]

I don't have it anymore, so I don't know. 😛

[marble meadow]

I just observe and wait for an announcement

[sterile spoke]

I don't mean in relation to the full type number, I mean in relation to the type distribution. 👀

[stuck bane]

So this one?

Numerical Order:
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
30/47 Fairy Types (63.8%)
32/56 Fighting Types (57.1%)
34/50 Steel Types (68%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
38/67 Fire Types (56.7%)
39/48 Dragon Types (81.2%)
42/62 Rock Types (67.7%)
46/89 Psychic Types (51.6%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
54/97 Grass Types (55.6%)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
70/135 Water Types (51.8%)

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[stuck bane]

Like if you mean most total types obtainable up to gen 7, ice takes the cake at only 36

Unless you mean lines?

[sterile spoke]

That's not that I mean. 😛

[marble meadow]

would be funny if it’s something unexpected like an ultrabeast

[sterile spoke]

I mean if there 10% of all Pokémon are Fighting, for instance, only 7.5% of all IF Pokémon are Fighting-types. Not the exact numbers, but you get what I mean. 🙂

[stuck bane]

Oooooh I see

So you mean, a comparable amount of representation the main series games has

[sterile spoke]

Yes. 😄

[stuck bane]

Ok sorry it’s early for me that makes sense

[sterile spoke]

It's all good. 🙂

[stuck bane]

Or, I haven’t looked into it

[marble meadow]

True some types have more mons in a specific type like ghost and such but wich type has the most

[stuck bane]

So we’re missing like 24 fighting types, and 14 of them are from unova, sooooooo….

[sterile spoke]

Proportionally, Flying was the most before the update. It's very likely Dragon now. 😂

[stuck bane]

At 81% dragon easily takes the cake, though comparable to main series games idk

[cobalt river]

500 dragon types coming to an IF near you!

[marble meadow]

it’s also slowly comes true for the main line games so many dragons

[stuck bane]

In fact I think I calculated that 81% including potential form additions to older Pokémon like giratina, so the number is likely higher

[deft obsidian]

Pokemon infinite dragon

[stuck bane]

Something something the 7 heads of the hydra:

Missing dragon types:
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Guzzlord
Naganadel

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-head-roll-jester-gif-5390395606877382630

The cooler ultrabeast in my opinion

[worldly sail]

ain't no way that's dragon

nvm

[stuck bane]

Wait, this isn’t including pignite and Emboar, so unova has 16/24 remaining fighting types

[marble meadow]

and how many ghost remain

[worldly sail]

does anyone want socks and throw?

[worldly sail]

a few

[marble meadow]

i call them Ernie and bert

[stuck bane]

Same number

Missing ghost types:
Jellicent
Gourgeist
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

[hexed agate]

Now list the bugs

[stuck bane]

I don’t have that because that’s way more than 7 lines, but vote unova we got like 10 cool bugs or something

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-beast-wormhole-pheromosa-upside-down-anime-gif-13903526

[stuck bane]

Leavanny, accelgor, escavalier, Durant, Crustle yeah that’s 10 slots

[cobalt river]

leavanny accelgor n escavalier all would slap :]

[molten latch]

Indeed

Escavalier would be a good knight fusions

[hexed agate]

Frog fears the cool bug supremacy

[stuck bane]

Crustle also made the spriter vote, and Durant has like the perfect stats for a body fusion (ironically), and it’s the fastest steel type body iirc

They’re all cool bugs

[cobalt river]

what are our missing fighting types actually? all i ever remember is the conkeldurr line because i dislike them but skjdfhs theres more then just them im just always bad at remembering which mons are fighting types

[molten latch]

Thats real shame.

[stuck bane]

Unova literally didn’t miss with any of its bugs

[molten latch]

Well apart from the chespin line.

[cobalt river]

yeah unova truly was bug supremacy region :] they wernt hard w them

[empty pendant]

mienshao and scrafty are missing

so's throh and sawk but who cares

[molten latch]

Ye

[cobalt river]

this is how you know im bad at tfighting types. i love chesnaught and it was my starter in my xy run. i still forget it was fighting

[molten latch]

Ernie and Bert

[cobalt river]

OH Right mienshao id love mienshao

[empty pendant]

swords of justice are fighting too

[molten latch]

Yeah

Keldeo is not bad too.

[empty pendant]

most of the missing fighty bois are unova lol

[molten latch]

But kinda hit or miss

Yeah

[clear lichen]

Fighting is most abundant in Unova iirc

[molten latch]

True

Wr lack fighting types

[clear lichen]

It isn't surprising that most of the missing fighting types are there with that in mind

[cobalt river]

alright for fighting types my hopes are just mienshao and chespin then i fear i do like the swords of justice but not enough to want them anytime soon over other legends/mythicals

[stuck bane]

I can tell ya unova, pignite/emb, conk, scrafty, 4 swords, Mienshao, Sawk and Throh, 15 fighting type slots (miscounted before because old list was before pirouette)

[molten latch]

Indeed

[cobalt river]

ohhh right pignite line :] pignite also welcome

[molten latch]

I love it

Especially the shiny

[clear lichen]

My personal favourite generation of Bug types is probably Gen 5 but it's close between it and Gen 7

[empty pendant]

mienshao would rule for a variety of reasons

-pure fighting so it adds fighting as head or body
-regenerator
-high jump kick
-not being Behold, A Man

[clear lichen]

Since Bug is probably my favourite type my opinion is fact frfr

[molten latch]

It's also base on Shu Baiji (Pigsy) from Journey to the West.

The Emboar line I mean

[sterile spoke]

If I had to do an update of around 50 Pokémon right now, focused primarily on balancing typings and such (and prioritising my favourites, as well as some fan favourites), I'd go with something like the following: 🙂

Poochyena, Mightyena, Electrike, Manectric, Tropius, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Skorupi, Drapion, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Carnivine, Heatran, Victini, Blitzle, Zebstrika, Sewaddle, Swadloon, Leavanny, Dwebble, Crustle, Cubchoo, Beartic, Mienfoo, Mienshao, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Keldeo, Pancham, Pangoro, Swirlix, Slurpuff, Inkay, Malamar, Dedenne, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist, Bergmite, Avalugg, Diancie, Grubbin, Charjabug, Vikavolt, Cutiefly, Ribombee, Wimpod, Golisopod, Komala, Togedemaru

[molten latch]

I mean Unovan starters are based on like National Rulers.

[empty pendant]

Behold, A Man is my least favorite genre of fighting type pokemon

[stuck bane]

Before the cress reveal?

[clear lichen]

Does Blaziken count as Behold, A Man

[cobalt river]

cresselia 2!

[empty pendant]

nope, he has feathers

[molten latch]

Kinda depends on what fighting type mons are good

[sterile spoke]

I forgot Cresselia was in. I'll swap it out. 😉

[prime dust]

no that is a fried chimken

[cobalt river]

good picks overall though, solid lineup :]

[clear lichen]

Right, nobody plucked it yet

[stuck bane]

Besides that banger list 3 rows of unova

[molten loom]

Spriters might get to that now

[clear lichen]

What if you got a Pokemon to use Pluck on Blaziken

[stuck bane]

Should get us closer to every other region

[molten latch]

True

[broken kestrel]

blitzle would make some banger fusions

[sterile spoke]

Normally I'm against Legendaries being added because they're complicated and boring, but I think that the Swords of Justice have the perfect balance of cool designs with room to be expanded. 🙂

[molten latch]

Indeed

[stuck bane]

Also they bring 4 fighting types

[molten latch]

Along side with the robot versions the of SoJ

[sterile spoke]

This is the most important thing, yes. 😉

[empty pendant]

I think all the legendaries should get added eventually but only like, one legendary or set of legendaries per big update.

[sterile spoke]

They'd almost always get alted, like Roaring Moon fusions for Salamence. 😅

[empty pendant]

They're all some kid's fave!

[clear lichen]

That's probably the best way to do it

[sterile spoke]

So is every Pokémon. 😂

[clear lichen]

Can't just add them randomly in some small update

[sterile spoke]

But I agree, one or a set every now and then is nice. 🙂

[empty pendant]

yeah so if this goes on long enough I think every gen 1-7 pokemon should get added

[clear lichen]

Well, at the very least not for the Box Arts

[empty pendant]

eventually

[sterile spoke]

If Frogman's capable of that kind of magic, it'd be incredible. 😄

[cobalt river]

for legendaries im 100% biased towards the XY trio, even though xerneas would be a nightmare to sprite i dont have any legendaries im currently truly feeling like theyre 'missing' though, so im fine with any of them whenever they come, not in a rush

[molten latch]

Who knows if the SoJ are gonna be added or the Starters. But yeah. . . .

[sterile spoke]

So would Yveltal and Zygarde...

[molten latch]

In the end, Kalos starters would make more sense

[empty pendant]

isn't the max pokemon limit now workable for that? wasn't that the whole point of the new pokemon updates?

[broken kestrel]

xerneas/stantler fusion
the deerest deer that ever deered

[clear lichen]

Personally, I didn't vote a 0 for any Pokemon because the endgoal I'd like the most is all Pokemon available

[sterile spoke]

If it's a choice, starters are almost definitely getting prioritised. 😅

[stuck bane]

Some would be funny, like magearna is just added and frog says nothing until someone starts the quest

[warm skiff]

kalos legends have pretty colors

[sterile spoke]

It's a hell of a lot more workable than it used to be, for sure. 🙂

[clear lichen]

That said if Lunala is ever in a vote I'm voting a 0 for everything else :)

[cobalt river]

yvetal and zygarde are middle class id say theyre not easy but their shapes are much bigger to work with, comapred to xerneas whose tiny tiny 500 horns w even tinier gems would probably be the worst ((xerneas is my fav out of the trio. but also def the one i can see myself struggling w the msost))

[clear lichen]

(/j)

[stuck bane]

Lunala would be so pretty and I’m bias of the one I had in moon

[warm skiff]

I made an xerneas fusion for art fight and yeah that was painful to sprite (and I can never add it to the game)

[empty pendant]

I love Zygarde's vibes and would like to be able to do zygarde head fusions c:

[cobalt river]

lunala is so pretty but i remember trying to do a body for it for a previous non-if contest and i gave up almost immediately it killed me.

[molten latch]

I'm gonna be honest, my favorite Kalos Starters of all time is Greninja (Fight me!)

[clear lichen]

I'd say I'd rather have Lunala and Solgaleo than Xern and Yveltal

[empty pendant]

also if yveltal gets added I already have a custom base

[broken kestrel]

zebstrika/luxray
edgy electric boi but even edgier

[stuck bane]

So is most people’s

[marble meadow]

my pick for the ultrabeast would be xurkitree pharamosa and blacepholon

[molten latch]

Either life and death or Nebby.

[clear lichen]

Ranking them, I'd have it as
Lunala>>>Yveltal>Xerneas>Solgaleo

[molten latch]

Indeed.

[empty pendant]

no, but I'll politely disagree

I like Delphox

[broken kestrel]

rapidash/zebstrika
just a horse

[clear lichen]

To put things into perspective of how much I like Lunala, Solgaleo is like in the middle of S tier

[molten latch]

True, Shiny Lunala is amazingly great. Blood red is edgy enough.

[cobalt river]

i like chesnaught rise up chesnaught gang (theres 3 of us in the world)

[stuck bane]

“Erm, actually, zebra are closer to donkeys so 🤓 “

[molten latch]

Oof

[empty pendant]

I have a friend who loves chesnaught

I want to like him but he got no ears 😔

[molten latch]

Why do you *imp on Braixen

[marble meadow]

Oh and kartana would be my pick too

[molten latch]

Indeed

[cobalt river]

i just like him because hes silly :] friend shaped and can roll into a ball. what more do i need

[clear lichen]

Idk which Kalos starter I like the most

[stuck bane]

I think I got wonder traded a perfect IV Chespin or something so I like the little guy even though he ain’t that good

[molten latch]

Funny Reverse Talking Paper UB

[clear lichen]

I think they'd all be at least high B tier

[broken kestrel]

imagine blastoise head/torkoal body
basically just a tank

[empty pendant]

I like Delphox more than Braixen!! Mismagius is my favorite Pokemon and they have similar mage vibes

[broken kestrel]

tiny lil turtle tank

[molten latch]

Ah so you're a wizard Harry?

[marble meadow]

kartana porygon origami porygon

[clear lichen]

Kartana has the same physical defence as Ferrothorn and the same special defence as a feather

It's amazing

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

Top tier Pokemon

[molten latch]

Then theres Naganadel.

[clear lichen]

It also has more physical attack than mf Deo-A lmao

[molten latch]

Oh boy, Gnoggin and Terminal did it again.

[clear lichen]

Naganadel is probably the most liked UB

[empty pendant]

terrible choice of reference

but I do always play a magic class in D&D

[molten latch]

Yeah

[clear lichen]

Overall

[molten latch]

Ah yes, that one strong wizard that died by its spell

[clear lichen]

I prefer Buzzwole and Kartana for sure, and it's close to Nihilego and Blacephalon I think

[empty pendant]

sorcerer and warlock are way more fun than wizard tho

[molten latch]

Im a Warlock guy so

[marble meadow]

well anyway I discuss more after some announcement

[stuck bane]

Oh you’re a fucking sorlock/coffelock player of course

[empty pendant]

I also like Artificer, though it can get a little big-brainy

[molten latch]

Yeah

Anyways

Enough off topic

[empty pendant]

.....klinklang/delphox artificer fusion

[molten latch]

Indeed

I can agree that you like the fox.

I love my frog too

We both can have truce

[empty pendant]

ye

[clear lichen]

forg 👍

[stuck bane]

Since both are prob getting in

[molten latch]

Funnt that Terminal's Chesnaught's catchphrase is "Disgustin"

[clear lichen]

Idk why everyone suddenly thinks the kalos starters are getting in btw I just saw everyone thinking that and didn't bother questioning it

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

Mostly because the previous time people randomly said stuff it seemed like a dumb theory to me

I mean it isn't about the 2 empty slots

[stuck bane]

You guys have fun with your favorite starters I’ll keep waiting over here in the corner waiting for Gen 7 starters to get in until I can have hope of Serperior joining

[clear lichen]

There's 9 Pokemon and 2 slots

[molten latch]

Your theories are valid.

[stuck bane]

Announcements. Pory is doing a stream and all hints point to kalos starters, thorns/object/frog

At one point he even changed his pfp to ash from kalos

Unova in shambles once again

[molten latch]

Yes

[clear lichen]

Seems like a stretch to me but it isn't as much of a stretch as that Meltan theory

[molten latch]

I told you

[empty pendant]

ok ok

hear me out

wizard: mismagius/delphox
sorcerer: charizard/delphox
artificer: klinklang/delphox
warlock: spiritomb/delphox
druid: torterra/delphox
cleric: kommo-o/delphox

[molten latch]

The Legends: Z-A Hypetrain is real!!!!

[stuck bane]

Yeah I know, deconfirmed minute colors started coming back, but I’m not gonna apologize for trying to think out of the box and just go with everyone else’s answer of minior or monkeys

[molten latch]

Who knows

[clear lichen]

Wait people were guessing Minior and monkeys?

How lmao neither of those fit into 2 slots

[stuck bane]

Minior because colors fading/minior dying, and monkeys were more so a meme idea

[molten latch]

What if we get Clawitzer too.

[clear lichen]

Would feel a bit weird without Dragalge, which I guess is a problem with duos as a whole

[stuck bane]

Gen 6 starters don’t fit into 2 slots either and we’re getting those (I’m holding out hope it’s a troll and we get Gen 5 first)

[molten latch]

Yeah

Could be

[sterile spoke]

We had Darkrai without Cresselia and Mawile without Sableye for a long time, and currently have Trevenant but no Pumpkaboo. 😅

[clear lichen]

I disagree that there will be Gen 6 starters so that's why I don't care too much

[molten latch]

Id imagine Jellicent

[clear lichen]

Yeah I know and it feels off

[sterile spoke]

We also very nearly had Tyrantrum without Aurorus.

[clear lichen]

Tbf, Gourgeist would be hard to implement

[molten latch]

Indeed

[stuck bane]

Camerupt, Lilligant, Gothitelle are also missing counterparts

[stuck bane]

I hope you’re right

[molten latch]

Whats Lilligant's counterpart?

[empty pendant]

whimsicott

[molten latch]

Oh

[empty pendant]

petilil and cottonee were ver exclusives in gen 5

[clear lichen]

TIL Gothitelle and Reuniclus are counterparts

[stuck bane]

So were solosis gothita iirc I

[empty pendant]

ye

[sterile spoke]

Very true, though I think Camerupt is the only one of those worth adding in anything close to the immediate future. 😅

[clear lichen]

I knew of the others though

Especially Camerupt because LMFAO THESE 2 GOT THE BST OF BASCULIN

[empty pendant]

and camerupt and sharpedo aren't version exclusive counterparts but they have the team aqua team magma mascot counterpart thing going

[stuck bane]

No way

[empty pendant]

you can get both in both games

[clear lichen]

If a Pokemon is gonna have the same BST and worse distribution than Basculin while being the ace of an evil team leader I'm gonna remember that to laugh at

[empty pendant]

also lol lmao yeah

at least in oras they had the decency to throw the megas at you

[stuck bane]

I’m adding that to my list of reasons for basculin thank you

[molten latch]

Is it me or wby does Carbink looks like a DnD Kobold?

I didnt realize until now

Kobolds could be Goblins, Dog or Dragons.

[stuck bane]

If you mean a 5e kobold no not even close

[molten latch]

Thats the different one

[stuck bane]

It looks more like a spinning top than any real or fictional creature

[cobalt river]

camerupt i miss you so much 😔 well get you in there one day baby

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

I know next to nothing about DnD

So I can't say

[molten latch]

Ok

[clear lichen]

But someone here said that Diancie looked like Magearna which I heavily disagree with so ye

[molten latch]

Yeah, its not fair even tho Diancie was first

[stuck bane]

Diancie and magearna is at least closer than Carbink and lizard person

[molten latch]

Ye

[empty pendant]

carbink is cute and I'm glad we have it

I used it on a meme showdown team back in gen 6 where I went into OU with my monotype rock team and dropped "my team rocks" in chat every battle

good times~

[clear lichen]

The fact that they said Diancie looked like Magearna was the biggest issue to me though instead of actual differences

Diancie came first

[molten latch]

This

[velvet root]

Greetings

[molten latch]

Hello

[stuck bane]

Hello

[velvet root]

What are we talking about

[clear lichen]

If they looked alike, one would say Magearna looks like Diancie and not vice versa

They still don't look alike to me though

[clear lichen]

Pokemon

[molten latch]

About Carbink and Diancie

[cobalt river]

diancie and magearna share that theyre both feminine but besides that fusion wise theyre not super close headwise their aesthetics are entirely different , and body wise their torsos n heads could be compared ig (even if headpieces r different) but diancie has its weird ass rock body while magearna has a more normal balldress which make for a very different approach when tackling them for fusions kdjhfskd

[molten latch]

I called it Car Car Binks or Carfunkle

[half needle]

true but only because magearna is a robot

[stuck bane]

Mostly Gen 6 starters, this guy thinks we won’t get them (I hope he’s right) but we’ll see

[clear lichen]

Yes I don't think we're getting them

[molten latch]

Oof

[clear lichen]

That is correct

[half needle]

yeah i agree

[stuck bane]

We’ll see

[molten latch]

Boo!

[empty pendant]

it'd be cool to get any starter set imo

[stuck bane]

I’ll just be holding on to these receipts

[clear lichen]

True

[molten latch]

True

[stuck bane]

And I hope your right, because that’s 50/50 chance it’s unova

[velvet root]

I mean I prever getting starters over not

[empty pendant]

idk if we will but if we do i'll be like oh boy more things to fuse with kecleon

[clear lichen]

But I'm thinking about what I think is likely and not what I want

[cobalt river]

yeah id love any starters! for IF alola starters are my biggest hope, then kalos, then unova- but its a close race and id love all of them

[molten latch]

Kalos has full potential

[empty pendant]

funnily enough my faves from each of the 3 remaining starter trios make a trio

[half needle]

theres no pokemon i particularly want other than minior, slurpuff and skitty so i really dont care that much about what actually gets added

[stuck bane]

I’d still like kalos, Ches and gren are fun, but not before my Gen 5 beloved

[molten latch]

Tho, no promises regardless.

Yeah

[clear lichen]

Who are they

You said Delphox already

[empty pendant]

my fave from alola is primarina, my fave from kalos is delphox, and my fave from unova is serperior

[molten latch]

Unless Frog just did the impossible.

[half needle]

what starter trio are we missing that isnt gen 6 and 7? gen 5?

[empty pendant]

yeah gen 5

[clear lichen]

Somehow guessed that ahead of time

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

By that I mean I went "Hey Serperior is more popular than Samurott"

And went off that

[half needle]

OH MY GOD ME TOO

[stuck bane]

It’s never this easy, idk why they’d just reveal and say “yep it’s Kalos starters pack it up nothing to see here” and I’m hoping it’s a fake out

[empty pendant]

I just like snakes

[molten loom]

Are you me?

[empty pendant]

I have a pet boa irl

[molten latch]

Maybe

[stuck bane]

This would be so good

[empty pendant]

hey I made that lol

[half needle]

i like snakes too i dont have a boa but i have a cute little snake ring

[molten loom]

Same exact opinion for starters

[velvet root]

Proof it

[empty pendant]

ok, sec

[molten loom]

Snek is nice

[clear lichen]

• Contrary
• Grass type
• Generally thought of as feminine
  Lurantis is Serperior, trust

[light garden]

Edit this to change the output of the custom command 75!

[deft obsidian]

For none if contest ,I remember

[clear lichen]

Shut up

[molten latch]

Samurott is underrated.

[molten loom]

Never seen that before

[clear lichen]

I agree, Samurott is in fact underrated

[molten latch]

Idk why people hated that samurai otter.

[molten latch]

Hisuian did fix it.

[deft obsidian]

Same

[stuck bane]

It’s a blade wielding samurai that doesn’t look like a person, it’s so cool!

[clear lichen]

The worst part is if Samurott was bipedal I'm pretty sure people would complain about that instead

[velvet root]

Danger noodle

[stuck bane]

I like serp more, but samu has so much potential in this game

[clear lichen]

What do they want

[molten latch]

Its Semi quadrapedal

[clear lichen]

Do they want it to fit the dex entries?

[velvet root]

Okay well its a Strong hug noodle to be exact

[clear lichen]

And learn Glare

And have Intimidate?

Is that what they want?

Idk

[empty pendant]

I go with noodle puppy

[clear lichen]

If Samurott had Glare that'd be funny

Since Serperior also has Glare

[molten latch]

I think they want to copy the longsword players from Monster Hunter.

Tho i'd say that Samurott (Hisuian) is base on Oda Nobunaga.

[clear lichen]

That said I do think Samurott not getting Intimidate but instead getting Shell Armour is dumb, bro those shells are barely covering it

[molten latch]

Ye

[velvet root]

The move glare is called schlangenblick in german translating to Snake look

[clear lichen]

The dex constantly talks about it being so intimidating that it gets people to shut up by glaring at them

[empty pendant]

the biggest complaint I hear about samurott in my friend group is "I don't mind him but I do mind that it evolves from osha/dewott bc I like otters more than sea lions"

[deft obsidian]

The final boss of pokemon conquest?

[cobalt river]

samurotts problem for me is that its on all fours but then they also gave it swords to hold. with its hands. it looks so stupid when its wielding its swords 😭 just let it hold them in its mouoth zacian style thatd work a lot better for me

[molten latch]

Serperior is Superior. . .

[velvet root]

But he is a Otter

[molten latch]

True

[empty pendant]

no he's a sea lion

[molten latch]

Ye

[empty pendant]

just bc he has otter in his name doesn't mean he's morphologically an otter

[velvet root]

That one to be exact

[empty pendant]

venusaur has "saur" in the name but it's a frog

[velvet root]

No he actually is a Giant Otter

[molten latch]

Im gonna be really honest to you guys.

[stuck bane]

Sorry he’s an otter

[cobalt river]

hes both apparently

[molten latch]

I hate Serperior.

Shocking yes.

For one reason.

[empty pendant]

specifically what my friends are complaining about is the fact that when you stylize an otter you usually give it a large nose, and the face looks more like a sea lion's or generic doggy snout

[molten loom]

Is it the loss of arms and legs?

[molten latch]

Courage already knows the answer.

[stuck bane]

Do I?

[empty pendant]

serperior has hands

[molten latch]

Not that

[stuck bane]

Oh wait is it because of the anime or some shit

[molten latch]

Yes in the anime.

[stuck bane]

Like a rival had a Snivy and therefore you hate the entire species of Snivy even though ash had one

[clear lichen]

Behind its back

[molten latch]

Yes but not the hating the snivy line.

[molten loom]

Those are barely arms

[clear lichen]

But they are

[stuck bane]

He does, they’re behind his back in a regal pose, same as servine arms

[cobalt river]

be nice to serperiors tiny baby hands its trying <3

[stuck bane]

CEO of racism here

[empty pendant]

lil leaf hands

[molten latch]

Sorry, its just that I get angry if I rely on ash then gets lose by someone, its called envy.

[stuck bane]

Also I don’t see feminine in either of these pictures, I’ve always thought serp is just looking fancy

[molten loom]

But like the hands went from this to that

[molten latch]

Ive been dealing this since i've watch the anime for a loooooong time.

Cheering on Ash makes me lose my sanity

[deft obsidian]

Same
Emboar is feminine between unova starters

[clear lichen]

So, they didn't change?

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/emboar-pokémon-emboar-attract-pokémon-attract-emboar-uses-attract-gif-26027930

[clear lichen]

Seems to me like the problem is that the arms didn't grow but the rest of the body did

[stuck bane]

It’s a snake, it isn’t supposed to have giant arms or legs in correlation to the rest of its body

[molten loom]

Ik

[deft obsidian]

This is proof , ty ty

[clear lichen]

Actually, I think the anime might be why the Snivy line is generally seen as feminine

Didn't Ash's Snivy spam Attract like a jackass?

[molten loom]

I don't see Snivy line as any gender

[clear lichen]

I love autocorrect!!!

[molten loom]

I see it as snake

[empty pendant]

I've never seen Snivy as feminine

[clear lichen]

I usually see people refer to it as such

[half needle]

i agree, looks more masculine actually to me

[velvet root]

Wasnt ashs snivy a guy

[empty pendant]

I see we hang out with very different people.

[stuck bane]

IKR

[clear lichen]

Idts?

Idk I forgot

[ember bear]

no

[clear lichen]

I barely watch the anime

[molten loom]

I just typically don't see things as gendered tbh

[half needle]

looks masculine in the same way gardevoir is, a regal type of it

[ember bear]

there is even a plot point where it used attract with a female emolga and it didn't work

[deft obsidian]

It was girl? I remember pikachu simping for it

[clear lichen]

But yeah personally I see it as snake

Just snake

[molten latch]

Fight me that I dislike the snake so bad! But TBH all of the starters on Gen 5 are less interesting in the end.

[velvet root]

I remember one pokemon that actually ahd a diffrent gender than they thought

[empty pendant]

I like how serperior has the vibe of "could be any gender but is still gonna be Fancier Than You"

[molten latch]

Ye

[half needle]

the purrloin?

[clear lichen]

Serperior's true gender is regal jerk fr

[molten latch]

Thats what I meant

[velvet root]

I mean one that was owned by ash

[empty pendant]

serperior out here like "am I a boy? am I a girl? who knows! but everyone thinks I look fantastic, and that makes everyone gay"

[half needle]

speaking of cats i got my cat on my lap rn

[stuck bane]

5 hours until my dreams of Gen 5 starters are crushed!

[velvet root]

Wait his Grass Bug was a male

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/komi-cant-communicate-osana-najimi-gif-24384153

This character fr

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/leavanny-pokemon-nintendo-pokemon-sun-and-moon-walk-gif-25086299

That thing

[empty pendant]

leavanny

[clear lichen]

The type that is plotting world domination or the type that has a single braincell

[velvet root]

Yes

[deft obsidian]

But Looks like girl ?

[molten loom]

Komi can't communicate is the anime and their gender is never stated as far as I know

[empty pendant]

leavanny is such a fun weird pokemon too

[velvet root]

I knew he had a Grass type many thought was a female but actually was a male

[half needle]

less than a single braincell i think he might actually have negative braincells

[velvet root]

Was one of my fav Pokemon once

[empty pendant]

I also like how unova gave us two ants

[molten latch]

This is my reaction when I see Ash gets lose all the time when I was young.

[empty pendant]

durant is obvious

leavanny is a leafcutter ant

[clear lichen]

Durant gives "Fuck it, we ball" energy

Mainly because that's exactly how it plays

[empty pendant]

it's time...... for ants

[half needle]

two ants that are 4x weak to fire type moves, and a fire type anteater

[clear lichen]

Hustle Banded First Impression time

[molten latch]

Sorry if I bring this up, I should stop. . . .

[deft obsidian]

Swaddle🥺

[molten latch]

Yes

And the 2nd evolution

[clear lichen]

How can you be amazing at communication yet never tell anyone your gender

[stoic sluice]

Leavanny would be cool in if

[molten loom]

Because Najimi is Najimi

[stoic sluice]

Love the middle stage

[molten latch]

Anyways

Whats the topic again now?

[clear lichen]

I feel like Swadloon is way more liked than it seems

[clear lichen]

Because nobody talks about it unless prompted

But whenever I see someone talk about it, it's extremely positive

[outer matrix]

Not even student info makes it clear?

[half needle]

maybe they dont want to talk about their gender you ever thought of that?

[clear lichen]

... The wiki page did in fact not say they want to communicate a lot and only that they can

[molten loom]

Also good on this wiki for using they/them for referring to the character

[molten latch]

Is this pokemon or what?

[clear lichen]

Anyways we're getting off topic

[molten latch]

Yeah

Anyways

Either Samurott or Emboar is my goto

[clear lichen]

As I was saying, why do I almost never see anyone talk about Swadloon

[molten latch]

Emboar however suffers from usage

[clear lichen]

But whenever they do, it's extremely positive

[molten loom]

I talked about it in my Black 2 playthrough in #other-pokemon-games

And it did good

[half needle]

i played black twice, picked snivy and osha

[clear lichen]

Does Swadloon secretly have a hold on the entire Pokemon community unknowingly?

Is it actually the most popular Pokemon of all time?

[molten latch]

Swadloon is basically the "literally me" pokemon.

[clear lichen]

I'll never know :/

[half needle]

swadloon's ok i guess idk its just snom but good

wait which ones the little one

[deft obsidian]

i played white 4 times, picked snivy every time

[molten latch]

Ye

[half needle]

swadloon is the wrapped up one

i like swadloon

its uh

sewaddle

[molten latch]

The Leavanny line

[clear lichen]

Yeah you're thinking of sewaddle I think

[half needle]

thats the one

sewaddle is snom but good

[spare shore]

GOLISOSPDODO

[molten latch]

Swadloon is just cute

Oh no

[spare shore]

GOLLISOSOPOD

[half needle]

ok guzma

[stoic sluice]

Nope

Not now

[spare shore]

GOOOLLLLLLLSISISPPOD

[molten latch]

Its the Golisopod spammer

[spare shore]

:3

[stoic sluice]

I got you

[empty pendant]

golisopod... is cool but I don't want to sprite him 😔

[spiral musk]

Unfortunately it's golisover

[molten latch]

Indeed

[empty pendant]

it'd take so long... it'd be so annoying.....

[clear lichen]

It is never Golisover if you can cope hard enough

[molten latch]

Ye

[spiral musk]

Cool mon, but a hard one to sprite 😔

[stoic sluice]

But wimpod not that hard tosprite

[empty pendant]

wimpod is adorable and I love the fact we have a deep sea isopod! then it evolves into spriter's worst nightmare

[stoic sluice]

Yeah

[empty pendant]

well... spriter's worst nightmare is a tie between kommo-o and golisopod tbh

[spiral musk]

I feel bad for whoever attempt to sprite golisopod / Unecrozma or golisopod/ dhelmise

[stuck bane]

So… so you’d enjoy spriting everything from Gen 5

[spiral musk]

Or with kommo-o yes

[clear lichen]

Looking at how Golisopod is consistently 2nd... Yeah, good luck, it won't go unpicked forever

[molten loom]

Would mods worst nightmare be Salazzle?

[spiral musk]

Gen 5 is great

[empty pendant]

I struggle to think of a gen 5 'mon that'd be as annoying to draw as kommo-o or golisopod

zekrom maybe

[spiral musk]

Salazzle and lopunny

[stuck bane]

It’s the curse of pod, we thought it would’ve made it by now but don’t underestimate curses like this

[molten loom]

Maybe you need to sacrifice another color role to break the curse

[cobalt river]

i thank every update we go golispodless it wont last forever but at least for now

[empty pendant]

yeah I've only done one zekrom fusion for a reason

anyways

[stuck bane]

Golisopod’s track record:

Spriter vote: 2nd place
Main vote: 2nd place
Special vote: 3rd place
Raffle: “won” the first spin

Golisopod is ash Ketchum

[spiral musk]

I've never done a Zekrom body

[deft obsidian]

Spriter manager worst nightmare will be minior because color alt

[empty pendant]

the only zekrom body I've done was an edit

ah wait that means I've technically done 2

[cobalt river]

ive done zekrom bodies technically twice though one was a collab
but the one i did actually wanst nearly as bad as i fear- though i wouldnt want to do another one in a new pose either

[empty pendant]

bc there's the obligatory terraria calamity ref

[molten loom]

What about Vivillon with it's 20 patterns

[spare shore]

https://tenor.com/view/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-caesar-andy-serkis-gif-8491128

[stuck bane]

Same as spinda, spriter’s choice

[clear lichen]

Clamity

[spiral musk]

Spinda

[deft obsidian]

I have like 12 zekrom body

[empty pendant]

if we get vivillon eventually, I'll do exclusively the monsoon pattern

[spiral musk]

Courageous

[molten loom]

Ok but there is a much bigger difference between spinda and Vivillon imo

[cobalt river]

my one and only zekrom body

[cobalt river]

oooo impressive

[empty pendant]

pretty!!!

[cobalt river]

love that lapras

ty also!

[spiral musk]

A much bigger number difference indeed

[empty pendant]

funnily enough I find kyurem kinda relaxing to do head fusions with

[spiral musk]

Kyurem is good

[cobalt river]

kyurem i havent odne a single sprite with, head or body i am part of the reason why its so low on the sprite number list

[spiral musk]

Both order

[molten latch]

Amazing

Do wish Lurantis is next

[empty pendant]

I'd love to make yveltal fusions

[spiral musk]

The ice would be easy to turn into crystals tho

[deft obsidian]

I love gen 6 box legendaries especially xerneas

[cobalt river]

lurantis is next as diancie yee! but carbink contest is going first haha

[empty pendant]

so far the only yveltal I've done is the xern/yveltal/zygarde triple for the april fools contest

[molten latch]

True

[molten loom]

Will Diance/Carbink just be a pink carbink /s

[cobalt river]

yeah i think ill survive diancie/kyurem ok
its just not a pokemon i really care abt so i cant say im looking forward to it. but who knows maybe pink will convince me to like it more

[molten latch]

BTW I cant react to your post.

[spiral musk]

Ribbon made it

[molten latch]

Cutey

[deft obsidian]

Baby

[molten latch]

[ember bear]

now reverse it 🔥

[cobalt river]

i already have the reverse but it turned out Horrible so i gotta redo it

hopefully soon >:]

[molten latch]

Ok

[empty pendant]

we already know kyurem looks great with pink on it tho

shiny kyurem has pink

[molten loom]

#sprite-gallery message

[molten latch]

Imagine Slurpuff/Kyurem

[spiral musk]

It's more urple tho

[molten latch]

Or Cresselia

[empty pendant]

so there's no way diancie kyurem would look bad--

[molten latch]

More like, rad

[spiral musk]

Already did cresselia/Kyurem

[molten latch]

Nice

Do show

[hazy fable]

Roserade/Carbink could be a steven universe, just saying

[molten latch]

[empty pendant]

...lol lmao ok but carbink kyurem but it's just kyurem with cute eyes and a fluffy scarf

[spiral musk]

I'm on phone I don't have it

[molten latch]

Oof

Ok fine

Ill spare you

[deft obsidian]

Bouquet

[cobalt river]

i got you

[molten latch]

Lovely

[cobalt river]

these are absoltely stunning btw you did fanastic w them chroma

[molten latch]

Indeed

Moon dragon all the way

[empty pendant]

those are so cool

[molten latch]

Still cant react to your post

[spiral musk]

The Kyurem/cresselia was a concept art from @twin phoenix

[molten latch]

Indeed

Anyways

Is it gonna be Unovan Starters or Kalos Starters

Unless the third option is Alolan Starters

[stuck bane]

Kalos, I’m just on copium

[clear lichen]

This may be a dumb question since we are never getting them, but what Gen 8/9 Pokemon do y'all want to see the most

[stuck bane]

Alcreamie and hatterene for Gen 8

[clear lichen]

Like what would you want to be added

[spiral musk]

Uuuh

Tinkaton?

[stuck bane]

Tinkaton is a good one

[molten latch]

TBH Hatterene is my favorite

[stuck bane]

What Gen 9 mons do I like

[clear lichen]

Personally I think the one I'd want most is Frosmoth, even if it isn't necessarily my favourite

That is because Volcarona/Frosmoth would be cool

And hot

Because yknow

[ember bear]

hey ik it might sound controversial

[clear lichen]

Fire and ice

[stuck bane]

And obviously no regionals or whatever like paradoxes

[molten latch]

Tinkaton is my favorite gremlin.

Bonking the Corviknight

[ember bear]

but i totally want the stealth plane

[outer matrix]

Alcremie, tinkaton (cool for seeing what the hammer could become in fusions), ceruledge, and armarouge

[clear lichen]

Another one that could be cool is Eternatus but man that'd be fucking hell to sprite and I'm not even a spriter

[molten latch]

Same

[spiral musk]

Baxcalibur even tho I know it's not that popular

[ember bear]

(even if it's dragon and whatever)

[clear lichen]

Baxcalibur to fix the design fr

[clear lichen]

Same ngl

I like the goofy flower crystal

[molten latch]

I mean Baxcalibur is the True Godzilla.

[clear lichen]

I dislike Baxcalibur

Well not really the design

[spiral musk]

I like the silly Godzilla suit mon

[clear lichen]

The design's OK

It's just that it's only OK

[stuck bane]

Maushold and ogerpon are probably my biggest gen 9 wants

[molten latch]

Yeah

[empty pendant]

baxcalibur is... so close to being cool but it's got no personality and I Do Not believe them that it can just flip over in the air and fly at you back-first

[molten latch]

Ogerpon is my favorite

[deft trout]

Gholdengo

[ashen cloud]

gimme the fighting type octopus dude

[deft trout]

Those fusions are gonna go hard

[spiral musk]

Godzilla ref

[clear lichen]

Ogerpon is probably 3rd behind Frosmoth and Eternatus, though like I said Eternatus would probably be living hell to sprite

[empty pendant]

like baxcalibur's move animation looks so stupid

[deft trout]

That and Cyclizar

[molten latch]

Cheese String Guy

[stuck bane]

Don’t think I used him, better or worse than Xerneas twinkle tackle?

[deft trout]

Worse

[stuck bane]

Damn

[stuck bane]

Worst pseudo by a long shot fr

[empty pendant]

I don't believe them! he can't do that!

[ashen cloud]

yes indeed

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-gif-21440998

[ember bear]

tbf the base zmoves are just doomed to be like that since they have to be available for all pokemon

[clear lichen]

I wouldn't say a long shot personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Dragonite in particular (they're both still sitting in B tier lol)

[empty pendant]

loud incorrect buzzer

[spiral musk]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3XCEXu2dB4MG4/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952ar0grf59hsgi4czovm4z2r07m799d6ta7zxcx0pl&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[stuck bane]

At least this kind of makes sense because energy from tail propelling

[clear lichen]

I do think I prefer Dnite still

[empty pendant]

LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[ember bear]

but a signature move is expected to look better in general

[clear lichen]

The signature move is goofy looking, whether this makes it better or worse is up to you

[molten latch]

Indeed

[spiral musk]

It makes it better for me

[empty pendant]

it's the only time baxcalibur has anything resembling personality, and it's not good

[stuck bane]

Yeah out of all the pseudos besides bax, dragonite really only has Gen 1 bias, I could never really get behind it and have thought every other pseudo is cooler

[molten latch]

Indeed

[ashen cloud]

ya dragonite is pretty mid

[sharp sphinx]

i dislike goodra too

[cobalt river]

i look away for five seconds and i see weve moved onto baxcalibur hating. good

[spiral musk]

Dragonair is much better

[spiral musk]

Not you too

[clear lichen]

Baxcalibur is a Pokemon I'd bring up to show how polarising my opinions on Gen 9's roster is

[molten latch]

Tyranitar is basically Bemular from Ultraman. (I now have knowledge to Ultraman fight me)

[cobalt river]

its fighting to death with kommo-o for my least favorite pseudo sorry chroma 😔

[clear lichen]

Like I said, like a quarter of them underwhelm me and I'm a massive fan of 2 thirds of them

[stuck bane]

I just think tyranitar is cool

[molten latch]

Indeed

[empty pendant]

dragonite is at least expressive

never liked that it lost the cool sleek blue vibes of the prevos but I don't hate him, just wish those were two separate lines

baxcalibur looks like... an animal? like most Pokemon look like "funny animals". animals with feelings that can understand you and occasionally do people things. baxcalibur looks like just an animal.

[spiral musk]

Who's your fav then?

[molten latch]

Dragonite is basically "just a dragon" especially the shiny.

[clear lichen]

This makes it very hard to say what my favourite generation is

[molten latch]

Its a fantasy green dragon

[stuck bane]

Dragontales lookin ass

[spiral musk]

I will defend my frigodzilla till the end 😤

[clear lichen]

Because Gen 9 is definitely in the running with how many Pokemon there I like

[molten latch]

Same

[clear lichen]

It dwarfs the other generations in that regard

[ember bear]

for me gen 7 is literally only ruined by crabominable

[cobalt river]

probably dragapult? but i do really love hisuian goodra too. one of those two

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

But it also has a lot of C tiers and low B tiers

[molten latch]

Dragapult is GOAT

[empty pendant]

it's just a dragon, but like... it's a dragon that if it came up to you wearing a mailman hat and a courier bag and handed you a letter, you'd say thank you and expect it to understand

baxcalibur would not do that

[ember bear]

just maybe also regional persian ig

[molten latch]

No caps

[spiral musk]

Tbh it always feels like that to me whenever a new gen comes out
A few years ago I felt the same for gen 7 and now I love a lot of them

[clear lichen]

The other generations I'd say could contend for my favourite roster are Gens 5 and 7

[molten latch]

Guess what, they did it on Mewtwo Strikes Back

[empty pendant]

if a baxcalibur was wearing a postman hat I'd think someone had to tape it on

[molten latch]

Ye

[empty pendant]

I would not believe you if you told me he put it on himself

I would believe you if you said a Dragonite did

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/bogdan-fixing-tape-taping-fix-gif-15682928

[molten latch]

Ye

[empty pendant]

that's the quality Baxcalibur doesn't have and that's why I don't like it

[stuck bane]

Like even if he was just on all 4s like a stegosaurus, he’d have a fighting chance against every other pseudo

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonite-pokemon-pokemon-anime-anime-messenger-dragonite-gif-27437811

It does fit

[empty pendant]

yeah!!

[trail hull]

Thank 😄

[spiral musk]

Dragonite is 4x weak to ice 😔

[clear lichen]

I love how I asked a positive question and now everyone's hating on a Pokemon

[trail hull]

The ones that have an extra dex number in pif

[stuck bane]

Most pseudos have a 4x weakness unless your name is metagross

[clear lichen]

Most Pseudos are 4× weak to something, Ice is the most common

[stuck bane]

Or Goodra

[molten loom]

Welcome to the pokemon fandom

[empty pendant]

dragapult also doesn't have a 4x weakness

[cobalt river]

baxcaliburs standout moment was hassel tera-ing it into having an ice type weakness. incredibly funny moment. i swept the rest of his team w ice beam assumed id at least have to click a different button for bax. but no. ice beam . very funny. the only good thing it had going for it it made me laugh KHKFDJSHF

[molten latch]

Its an average dragon, accurate to the medieval mythology. Dragonite is cute.

[clear lichen]

Dnite: Ice
Ttar: Fighting
Salamence: Ice
Garchomp: Ice
Hydreigon: Fairy
Kommo-O: Fairy

[stuck bane]

Yeah but Gen 8 isn’t canon in this little bubble I’ve created around myself

[clear lichen]

3 counts for Ice, 2 for Fairy, 1 for Fighting

[ember bear]

op

[molten latch]

Wheres Metagross

[empty pendant]

there's a few good designs from gen 8 that deserve to exist imo!!

[clear lichen]

No 4× weakness

Same with Goodra, Dragapult and Baxcalibur

[stuck bane]

Yeah like 2, I’ve struggled to think of a third I’d want

[molten latch]

Thats what I thought

[molten loom]

What about goodra again

[ember bear]

hey there is corviknight, dragapult

[molten latch]

Weird that Metagross is the only Pseudo that isnt a Dragon.

[clear lichen]

As a reminder, Goodra is easily the worst Pseudo competitively

[ember bear]

uhhh

[clear lichen]

So 4× weaknesses aren't everything

[clear lichen]

Ttar

[molten latch]

That too

[spiral musk]

Uuuh does that means you think most of gen 8 doesn't deserve to exist?

[cobalt river]

gen 8 mons to add? polteageist polteageist itd be so good for heads and some creative bodies

[molten latch]

Indeed

We drink tea and matcha

[clear lichen]

Imo all Pokemon have a place on the franchise

[molten latch]

Yeah

[empty pendant]

I think gen 8 has some serious problems and I'd personally redesign or change a couple details about half of the Galar dex if it were up to me.

[clear lichen]

Nah, Gen 8 dex is one of the best parts about it imo

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah, it has Yamper

[empty pendant]

I think the only one that really truly just was a mistake and can't be fixed by another couple rounds of drafts is Stonjourner

[clear lichen]

That said the only other good parts I can name at the top of my head is making it easy to shiny hunt Legendaries and Pokemon Legends: Arceus

[stuck bane]

Look at this lineup minus regionals and tell me it’s a mostly good one for us to invest time into

[molten latch]

I mean Zerocipher's friend did DM frog that there may have a chance that Gen 8 and 9 is possible. If the sig moves can be implemented.

[cobalt river]

gen 8 had one of the weaker dexes to me but it does have some bangers

[ember bear]

i mean when you look at the rest it has to offer it's not difficult to see why

[clear lichen]

It's a mostly good one for us to invest time into

[molten latch]

Ye. . .

[clear lichen]

Yeah I mentioned that already

[stuck bane]

Like I only like hatterene and alcreamie lines, the rest can be left behind imo

[spiral musk]

I haven't played swsh so I'm not really attached to any of them
But I like a bunch of them design wise

[molten latch]

Same

[clear lichen]

That said all the Pokemon games have mid stories anyways with like 3 exceptions AT MOST

[molten latch]

Never played it

[clear lichen]

So being bad instead of mid doesn't mean too much when some are even worse

[molten latch]

Ye

[stuck bane]

I will never respect a region that needs the champion’s ace to be charizard in order to be relevant

[spiral musk]

Gen 3 story is the funniest imo

[molten latch]

Gen 8 is not bad

[molten latch]

Yeah, Charizard is everywhere.

[cobalt river]

ive played swsh and i wish i didnt but yes some designs r good ((even if they also came w some stupid ass evo methords. runerigus i love as a design but having to look up how to evolve it was annoying)

[molten latch]

Cheeky Leon.

And his Michael Jackson pose

[clear lichen]

At the end of the day, Mewtwo's game lore is literally only being a lab cat that went to hide in a cave

[molten latch]

Ye

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah i find it weird that his ace wasnt a Galar mon, but neither was Dianthas, tho uit was a gen 6 gimmick form so i give it a slight pass

[clear lichen]

Gmax Charizard is a Gen 8 gimmick form

:/

[trail hull]

While I love all mons those are the best design to me in gen8 and 9 excluding legendaries mythical and paradox :
Sinistea
Alcremie
Basculegion
Applin
Lokix
Clodsire
Wooloo
Garganacl

[stuck bane]

Venusaur and blastoise fans in shambles

[molten latch]

Im with team Hatterene and Tinkaton.

[unkempt kernel]

True but like, Zard is oversaturated lmao

[molten latch]

Hammer and Hat

[stuck bane]

Charizard isn’t bad, but I hate it with how overrated it is now

[clear lichen]

Dw, they "only" need to either trade or buy a DLC

[molten latch]

Yeah

It sucks so bad

[unkempt kernel]

Damn, no Yamper (Joke)

[spiral musk]

I like the zard so it's sad to see ppl hate on it bc it's overused 😔

[clear lichen]

Charizard is overhated by fans because it is overrated by Gamefreak

Does this make it perfectly rated?

Idk

[outer matrix]

Or get lucky with raid events if they have them available

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

Because at this point saying Charizard is overrated feels similar to saying Garbodor is overrated

A flat lie

[unkempt kernel]

I like Charizard too but it gets a bit boring when a gen 1 mon is used as the ace for a new region, they could have given Leon a gen 8 Gmax mon, or hint the DLC and make his Starter (For me it was Rillaboom) a gmax

[clear lichen]

But saying it is overhated also feels weird

Even if it feels that way if you're in a crowd of fans

[molten latch]

True

[clear lichen]

After all, 2 megas and a gmax

[spiral musk]

It's not Charizard's fault tho

[empty pendant]

I like:
-rookidee line
-blipbug line really grew on me actually
-nickit (thievul needs a redesign)
-gossifleur (eldegoss needs something to make it stand out more)
-wooloo line
-yamper (boltund needs a redesign)
-rolycoly (rest of the line needs a redesign)
-applin line
-silicobraand sandaconda just need minor tweaks
-arrokuda line's Fine
-toxtricity (toxel doesn't need to be here)
-centiskorch (sizzlipede doesn't need to be here)
-clobbopus (grappleoct is fine I just don't like it)
-sinistea line (would just remove the legs from polteageist and thicken the arms a lil)
-hatenna line (love them!)
-g ziggy line is a bit Much but I do like them
-g corsola line
-g farfetch'd line
-g yamask line
-g ponyta line
-g darumaka line is fine ig
-alcremie is cute
-snom line is good
-controversial but I like indeedee
-cufant line slaps
-the fossils are fun I just wish you could unscramble them too
-I like dreepy line
-eternatus would slap if it was an ultra beast

[molten latch]

And Leon

[unkempt kernel]

Charizard isnt overrated, its over exposed due to it being basically as iconic as pikachu

[stuck bane]

Gen 4: oh, red has a charizard, cool
Gen 5: charizard returns to anime, weird
Gen 6: megas, this is getting a little old
Gen 7: oh boy, a charizard ride, yaaaay
Gen 8: “I need you to think I’m cool so here look at my charizard that becomes a bigger charizard” “fuck you”

[trail hull]

While we have more then half of all Pokémon available to us , to get half of the fusions we need to reach 575 Pokémon

[clear lichen]

Red has every single Kanto starter???

[unkempt kernel]

I agrre to the Bolthun redesign,, why TF does the corgi turn into a greyhoud?

[clear lichen]

He's literally the protagonist of the Gen 1 games????

Oh mb misintepreted

[trail hull]

Charizard was also the first 5 star Tera raid at release

[stuck bane]

Yeah, back when it wasn’t weighted to only 1 starter and all 3 were treated equal

[clear lichen]

Am a bit dumb sometimes

[stuck bane]

All good

[ember bear]

hey guess what pokemon do you fly on in gen 7 games

[molten latch]

Blastoise is my goto anyways lol

[stuck bane]

I knew I was forgettting something thank you

[clear lichen]

Lol

[trail hull]

But since tera is the only gimmick not really made for form it got nothing for once

[clear lichen]

Lmao even

[clear lichen]

I mean, it allows Charizard to not be quad weak to Rock?

Idk that seems significant in both VGC and Singles with Rock Slide and Stealth Rocks

It's still gonna be ass in Singles but hey

[empty pendant]

tera did a way better job at making volcarona an absolute terror than charizard

[clear lichen]

Very true

Except for the part you imply Volcarona wasn't already an absolute terror

[trail hull]

Yes but like every I e type also got the possibility to stop being ice type so not really a main factor

[cobalt river]

tera is the best gimmick gameplay wise but the qorst by a mile aesthetics wise and for that reason i will cheer when it is gone </3

[molten latch]

Poor Charizard
Game Freak Overdue his fame

[empty pendant]

volcarona was only balanced by virtue of its quad rocks weakness

[clear lichen]

Remember, this Pokemon managed to be great while being quad weak to Stealth Rocks before the existence of HDB