pif-hoenn-discussion

[rain locust]

worst starter by far

[proud lion]

https://youtu.be/W-X6sR3F8i8?feature=shared

[sleek hornet]

Exactly

[clear lichen]

Yeah but you'd think they'd pick on like

A worse shitmon

Hey did people hate Yanma before Gen 4

[rain locust]

starters are supposed to be good though

[clear lichen]

Most of them are terrible

Meganium isn't special for that

[rain locust]

its the most terrible

[clear lichen]

I mean true but there's a lot of almost as terrible starters

[vague lintel]

Plusle and minun LOL damn

[zealous lichen]

this! the monkeys are underpowered and their move pool is a little weak

[clear lichen]

Well not a lot like 2

But still

2 more than 0

[zealous lichen]

which ones?

[clear lichen]

At the top of my head, Typhlosion is usually just shit in the tier it is in because of how overrated it is

Though I can't even tell how shit it exactly is due to how often these sorts of things happen

[glass patio]

i like typhlosion

[clear lichen]

Eruption moment I guess

[clear lichen]

I like Typhlosion too

It's just not good competitively

[glass patio]

oh competitively

ok

fair enough

[sleek hornet]

Typhlosion is my favorite G2 starter but yeah it’s so bad competitively T-T

[clear lichen]

Yeah I'm trying to find out why Meganium is singled out for being bad competitively

By casual fans

[zealous lichen]

mine is Totadile

[bitter comet]

I know I love that lad

[rain locust]

typhlosion has something at least

[clear lichen]

I mean I guess it does also have bad in game performance

I guess that'd explain it

[sleek hornet]

I like them too

[clear lichen]

Gen 2 is hostile to grass types

[bitter comet]

All the Gen two starters are based in my opinion

[clear lichen]

So it is both bad competitively and one of the few mons to be bad casually

[zealous lichen]

exactly having the struggle in the game makes it feel rough

[sleek hornet]

T-T

[clear lichen]

Unfortunate

[bitter comet]

They all just look cool

There isn’t one that I don’t like

[marble meadow]

ok one more to go

[clear lichen]

Anyways I'd like to file a fraud complaint for Sceptile

[zealous lichen]

what do you mean?

[glass patio]

true

[clear lichen]

Sceptile is so fraudulent

The single time I've used it, it was mildly useful

[bitter comet]

He’s my favorite starter for that generation design wise

[clear lichen]

And that was in ORAS where you'd expect it to perform better due to Megas even if base Sceptile is bad

But what's that?

[bitter comet]

I just like lizards

[sleek hornet]

I love sceptile, but they did him so dirty like having a sp atk stat but only attacking moves (iirc)

[clear lichen]

Mega Eon Duo you say?

Whoops! Sceptile is suddenly outclassed

[marble meadow]

for the event list and then wait who won sprite vote

[clear lichen]

You're not gonna find a scenario in a non competitive sense where 110 isn't outspeeding something

[zealous lichen]

ahh ok

[clear lichen]

So 110 is effectively the same as 145

In Competitive, I guess Mega Sceptile has that advantage

[sleek hornet]

True. :3

[clear lichen]

But it is too fraudulent to be better at anything else

[zealous lichen]

but isnt sceptiles best moves physical?

[marble meadow]

still praying for gourgeist or malamar if gourgeist wins this comes with me for my october run

[clear lichen]

Fun fact: If you're a mega and your base is terrible, you'd need a miracle to be good

Like Huge Power

[zealous lichen]

I would love to see Gourgeist to finish the duo with Trevenant

[sleek hornet]

It would probably make more sense if it has a lower sp atk but higher attack. (Since it’s moves are physical)

[clear lichen]

Or the most minmaxed defensive stats you've ever seen

[zealous lichen]

yeah thats what I was thinking as well

in this game its great though to combine it with a high physical pokemon

[clear lichen]

Mega Sceptile got a large amount of stats wasted in Attack

And then also got Lightning Rod while being a 4× resist

[sleek hornet]

Lighting rod!? Really!?

[zealous lichen]

thats great in duos

[clear lichen]

That's no Huge Power with arguably the best type in the game

[sleek hornet]

Yesh!

[clear lichen]

That's no 2 hits a move madness

That's no Aerilate

Though Salamence can't really be argued as a shitmon, can it?

[sleek hornet]

Nope. :/

[rain locust]

mscep is also bad in doubles iirc

[clear lichen]

Mega Sceptile is sad

[rain locust]

no spread no utility no power

[clear lichen]

Sceptile is sad

[sleek hornet]

sad

T-T

[clear lichen]

Hey, they have Shed Tail now!

[zealous lichen]

woop woop

[clear lichen]

If only it wasn't banned in Singles, and if only Sceptile wasn't the worst Shed Tail user

[sleek hornet]

T-T

[ember bear]

they really created shed tail and gave it to a regenerator mon

[clear lichen]

Yup

[sleek hornet]

Yeah that Cyclicar does it best

[clear lichen]

And gave it to a slow bulky Pokemon, perfect for keeping that Substitute up for the switch-in

That's also just only weak to 2 types and heals off of 1

[zealous lichen]

I actually really like Cyclicar would love to see it be the ride pokemon in future games

[sleek hornet]

Ikr?

[inland jewel]

so what pokemon has Plus/Minus aside from Plusle Minum

[clear lichen]

Klinklang

[velvet root]

I dont like the mushroom

[ember bear]

it would be nice if they actually made more pokemon rideable

[inland jewel]

cutie

[bitter comet]

That is very cute and silly

Look at that face

[ember bear]

like let's go out of all games does it the best

[clear lichen]

Why does Klinklang have -1 moves

[inland jewel]

Shiinotic is my favorite fairy type

[zealous lichen]

with how bit the mushroom is wouldnt more of the head be more shaded?

[velvet root]

Atleast im up to date with all the special vote mons now

[bitter comet]

It’s the face of a war criminal

[clear lichen]

-1 after considering Shift Gear btw

[sleek hornet]

Iirc Ampharos has it as a hidden ability (correct me if I’m wrong)

[ember bear]

then again it's only 151 pokemon but still

[clear lichen]

Shift Gear counting as 4 moves

[inland jewel]

heehee check again boyo

[zealous lichen]

did they announce a winner?

[inland jewel]

they announced the pokemon for Sped Spriter

[velvet root]

you mean those?

[clear lichen]

Anyways, Ampharos, Klinklang, Dedenne, Toxtricity with Plus

[inland jewel]

okay i didn't see those

[velvet root]

[clear lichen]

Manectric, Klinklang and Toxtricity with Minus

[zealous lichen]

I was like wait he already did that

[clear lichen]

Klinklang has 2 bad abilities, a movepool so bad that Shift Gear can't save it and almost 0 STAB moves

[inland jewel]

you have to understand, shiinotic had came a long time before plusle and minum

[zealous lichen]

Plus and Minus is so meh

[sleek hornet]

Well I a least got one of them vaguely. :/

[inland jewel]

so seeing him post that and say "i'm done now" while I only just saw the announcement

[velvet root]

Yeah I didnt found a idea that I wanna do
I said f it and made it obv one now

[zealous lichen]

its only a wall that does some status moves

[clear lichen]

Klinklang doesn't even get Iron Head

[clear lichen]

It won't be doing any walling

It'll be trying and failing to sweep with Shift Gear

A move that most Pokemon can only dream of having and it is wasted on Klinklang

Klinklang is more of an Electric type than a Steel type if I'm gonna be honest

[inland jewel]

for Shiinotic, you can def do demented breloom

[zealous lichen]

thats if you play it badly its a decent swap mon

[inland jewel]

but also imagine Parasect with Shiinotic's creepy face coming out of its back

[zealous lichen]

I agree with this but Tera does help

[eager quarry]

The only steel move it needs is gear grind anyways
Bro just wants actual coverage

[clear lichen]

Decent? I wished

[velvet root]

Ngl I also didnt want to make a own Mushroom cap

[clear lichen]

It's unfortunately ZU material

Oh speaking of Klinklang

It's another Pokemon I'd say is overhated

[inland jewel]

fair

If Shiinotic does win Winner's vote then I'll at least have plenty of ideas to work with

[clear lichen]

I mean maybe in Competitive it deserves that hate

Outside of it, I don't think so

[inland jewel]

like the top 3 mons I want to sprite from Winner's poll are Shiinotic, Scrafty and Tropius

[marble meadow]

luminating pokemon glowing pokemon that creepy face

[clear lichen]

Klinklang in IF would be hype simply because it has Shift Gear and 0 other reason

Oh wait it is in IF

Brainfart

[zealous lichen]

lol

[clear lichen]

I'm gonna bet on that being its only use

[inland jewel]

i mean the only thing I have to Plusle/Minum goig for it is that regular Klinklangs will actually have a use to choose their normal abilities

[clear lichen]

Yknow assuming it sees usage

I'm not too sure if it would

[inland jewel]

since you can set up double battle mode then choose Plus/Minus for each fusion to get boost SPatk

[zealous lichen]

its sprites are freaking amazing

[clear lichen]

True

Klinklang I'd imagine is one of the biggest benefactors of fusion

[zealous lichen]

that is a mon im scared to sprite lol

[clear lichen]

Whether that makes it good is another question

[velvet root]

same

[clear lichen]

But hey its sprites go hard

[ember bear]

i mean the stats aren't that bad

[clear lichen]

That's something it can look forward to

[inland jewel]

You only touch klinkklang if you're okay with making robots

[ember bear]

and it's free steel typing

[inland jewel]

and 7/10 artists hate doing machines

[clear lichen]

They are pretty bad but yeah there's mons with worse stats that are better anyways

The bigger issue is that it has almost 0 good moves

But fusion fixes that

It also doesn't have a good offensive type

Something fusion can try to fix

It also lacks good STAB

Once again, fusions

Clear Body being too mid for you?

More fusions

Having 520 BST and being worse than a Pokemon with 460 (Basculin) is pretty embarrassing though

[zealous lichen]

I just realized I think after they vote for the mons they enter a raffle? are we adding 3 lines this time around

[inland jewel]

2 minimum

1 is confirmed Kommo-o line

the winners vote is the winners voting between the 11 mons

and the winner of that gets added alongside Kommo-o

And i say minimum since Frog can choose to add something he wants

or the Mods can collectively vote their own in as well

[zealous lichen]

I just want sure because if you look at the event time line the Winners add a pokemon to the 2nd Vote/Raffle

[honest tartan]

will be very unhappy if only 2 lines get in

[zealous lichen]

its more than usually get added

[honest tartan]

last time mons got added we went from 420 - 469

[inland jewel]

last time Frogman hosted the event

this time around 1 person pushed to host Fusion day

[ember bear]

actually i think meloetta, cresselia and necrozma were added like later i think

[inland jewel]

Necrozma was part of the 50

Meloetta and Cresselia were bonuses

[honest tartan]

so for now we're going to 470 to 474-476 at minimum

[inland jewel]

that came 4 months after

[ember bear]

ig

[inland jewel]

yee, but from context given by mods/event host

there is more surprises in store

so im pretty sure its not going to be just 2 lines

[honest tartan]

just going to have to see what happens after

[zealous lichen]

honestly I would rather see mons added through out the year instead of all at once

[inland jewel]

because they announced Kommo-o and then blurred that last part

[zealous lichen]

I wouldnt be surprised if they add a new generation of starters

[inland jewel]

and then the Event host said "Oh the banner has hidden imagery, for surprises"

[inland jewel]

500K special, and 27 slots to 500 after Koimmmo-o

[zealous lichen]

that makes sense

so 9 from starters maybe 18 if they do 2 generations. I dont think they will do another

[unkempt stone]

Plusle and Minun, huh?

[zealous lichen]

yep its one of the options

[unkempt stone]

Well they get to go with Carbink in the tier of options I would accept but would be very neutral on

[zealous lichen]

I might do a few fusions of it since im trying to get a fusion of all types with rock types

[unkempt stone]

Although personally I think Plusle and Minun have even less fusion potential than Carbink

Like

Carbink has the Diamond theming going for it for me

[zealous lichen]

I think pusle and minum will be finished very quickly you make one then you change the colors and the cheeks for the other

[hazy fable]

we got battery mice huh

[zealous lichen]

no we dont its one of the options to be voted on by the contest winners this month

[hazy fable]

yeah thats what I meant

[prisma willow]

Plusle and Minum are just... why. Their whole gimmick is just double battles and they aren't even good.

[zealous lichen]

cuteness factor

[hazy fable]

I guess they like doubles too

[inland jewel]

they will make Klinkklang not as useless

since you get one, take their ability and have Kllinkklang choose the other and in double battles BOOM. +50% special attack

if you do Light Ball Pikachu/Klinkklang

[prisma willow]

Rather have cute and useful. Like Liligant, Slurpuff, or Rimbobee

[inland jewel]

but also, i know scarlet Violet gave them good moves to use

so they might be basing it off that, and not how they were in Gen 7

[ember bear]

doubt

[prisma willow]

They aren't. Gen 7 movelist and pokemon

[inland jewel]

i know that this is gen 7 movelist

im just saying, the most recent impression of them is in gen 9

where one of the main story battles has you fight a plusle/minum

and the movesets those thing had in that battle

[marble meadow]

so reval should be tommorow or next weekend

[inland jewel]

well the reveal will happen when they finally decide on how they're gonna judge concept art

since all the judges have different ways they want to give points on

[trail hull]

470 (necrozma is included and even got the numbere

[hazy fable]

im just worried the 2nd pokemon would be carbink since they already got 2

[unkempt stone]

I mean

I'd be fine with that if Carbink did win

But like

I feel Golisopod has the edge given it was second in the like

Main vote

Any of these options are good

Not sure sure about Plusle/Minun though

[zealous lichen]

only the winners vote not everyone

[inland jewel]

you have to understand that 35% of voters did not want him

[unkempt stone]

[hazy fable]

i see the gem on a rock/geode themeing but i feel like some people think they would also get diancie when carbink gets in

[unkempt stone]

I forgor about that

[marble meadow]

there only a few one on my cool list missing in if

[inland jewel]

we cant know that out of the 11 winners, how many of them are that 35%

[zealous lichen]

so you have to think about what spriters are going to vote for not players

[inland jewel]

fun fact, 6 of the 12 winners are tourney winners

aka pokemon showdown and not spriters

[unkempt stone]

I mean

[zealous lichen]

ohh I didnt know that was a thing

[unkempt stone]

That checks out given uh

[hazy fable]

the tourney is balanced between the two

[zealous lichen]

woops

[unkempt stone]

How many showdown events there were

[inland jewel]

so its a toss up of, spriters who do art, and players who fuse for battle

[unkempt stone]

The votes would likely be a 50/50 split between competitive viability and art stuff, or just a pick of whatever

[ember bear]

well it could be anything

[unkempt stone]

True

[hazy fable]

6 Tourneys

6 Sprite related comps

[unkempt stone]

Yea that checks out if there were 12 events

[inland jewel]

like Slurpuff has an edge becaues competitively it has Unburden, belly drum,

[hazy fable]

1 middleground

[inland jewel]

and Dessert fusions

[ember bear]

also it's technically 11 voters since someone won twice

[hazy fable]

its 13

[wet cliff]

is macargo better than typhlosion

[prisma willow]

We will never have justice for the Celedon City Petil will we?

[ember bear]

shrug

[zealous lichen]

not really

[inland jewel]

nor justice for HA Route Musharna

[zealous lichen]

its more fun to sprite though

[hazy fable]

thats the thing, theres 13 slots, and 1 person has two making it only 12 slots of pokemon

[ember bear]

huh?

wasn't it 12 slots

[zealous lichen]

I thought it was 12 slots

[hazy fable]

count Tourney 1 at the very top

it wasnt bulleted for some reason

[ember bear]

oh

[hazy fable]

Discord Markdown is wonky lol

[dense perch]

aaaaaaannnnnnndddd the last winner gonna choose is pokemon

[zealous lichen]

the concept art is the wild card

[ember bear]

i somehow ignored that all the time

[inland jewel]

from lurking in events chat

they haven't started judging

[marble meadow]

i only have some yokai based ideas for ludicollo and shiftry

[inland jewel]

nice they finshed

[dense perch]

ké, then what is one event announcements ?

[ember bear]

they are kappa and tengu right?

[zealous lichen]

yeah

[marble meadow]

yup

[zealous lichen]

Shiftry is my 2nd favorite pokemon of all time

[ember bear]

o

new server image

[zealous lichen]

yeah the 500k image

[marble meadow]

also ludicollo fusion should definetly give the fused mon sombreros or silly hats

[zealous lichen]

it would totally

the head pieces of the Kommo-o line is so hard to deal with

[deft obsidian]

Wait server icon changed again:0 the last vote!

[inland jewel]

let it be a funny mon

[zealous lichen]

lurantis gardi it looks like

[trail hull]

an other event reveal

[zealous lichen]

I dont see another event reveal

@trail hull you generally have good opinions can you tell me what you think on this #1279534165229961267 the head piece is annoying me

[hollow creek]

WOOOW I CANT BELIEVE IT

PLUSIE ON THE BALLOT

[zealous lichen]

yeah not sure if the winner vote will go for it though

[outer matrix]

hopefully a 3-stage line will be chosen

[deft obsidian]

Gothitelle

[ember bear]

vikavolt!

[outer matrix]

vanillite

[proud lion]

Exploud, Stoutland, Timburr, Eelektross, Vanilluxe, Flabebe, Tsereena,

[dense perch]

https://tenor.com/view/camerupt-pokemon-fire-ground-running-gif-26494728

[inland jewel]

watch it be archen

[proud lion]

Also the Shiftry and Ludicolo

[zealous lichen]

just have to be paitent until they decide

[deft obsidian]

Camerupt is 2 staged

[zealous lichen]

would be a great choice though

so many options for fusions

[hazy fable]

Atleast it would never be Monkes

[proud lion]

Unless Staff decides monki supremecy

[zealous lichen]

I wont be surprised if the monkeys get added to troll everyone just like bruxish

[hazy fable]

nah frog hates them

[proud lion]

It would be a troll for me

[proud lion]

What are you talking about?

[zealous lichen]

didnt know that

[dense perch]

having 3 2 evo pokemon place for a troll is not cool

[clever vigil]

I just read the announcement. I love the Kommo-o line so much! Kommo-o is my favorite pseudo. If Archeops gets in too then this will be a dream come true!

[proud lion]

Year of the Dragon

[ember bear]

oh boy if only you were there when it was announced

[deft obsidian]

Maybe they mean oranguru and passimian

[tardy flame]

Tsareena pls she's the only one missing from my kick ass squad

[proud lion]

I was at work during the time

[clever vigil]

Kommo-o is kinda like an Aegislash with more focus on the armor and also more body fusion potential

Love it

[proud lion]

I voted 2 for the Kommo-o line

[zealous lichen]

same

[zealous lichen]

I think the body for Kommo-o is going to be finished quick

[clever vigil]

How so?

[zealous lichen]

it is such a fantastic base

[proud lion]

Consider the scales

[clever vigil]

True

Imagine Milotic/Kommo-o

[proud lion]

I did the inverse

[zealous lichen]

I saw that one!! its fantasic

Ive just been doing Jangmo-o

[outer matrix]

mienfoo

[hot hamlet]

Mienfoo!

I'm happy with this

[outer matrix]

[zealous lichen]

that is fantastic

[outer matrix]

[hot hamlet]

Which means we get the results by end of day most likely

[zealous lichen]

now time to wait for the winner vote

[molten loom]

[civic harness]

Plusle and Minum?

[zealous lichen]

@velvet root ready for some kungfu mons?

[silk narwhal]

Even with so many picks, there still are only two good ones

It's insane

[glass patio]

all hope is lost

humanity is doomed

[dense perch]

Mienfoo / Mienshao 👘 is the last

[zealous lichen]

what do you mean?

[velvet root]

Atleast a cool fighting duo has a good chance...

[glass patio]

(nah carbink or slurpuff are good enough)

[marble meadow]

mienshao intresting now wait for the winner

[hot hamlet]

With these I can see Slurpuff, Cutiefly, Mienfoo, and Lurantis

[silk narwhal]

Golisopod and Lurantis

[zealous lichen]

I agree it will be cool to see

[silk narwhal]

Mienshao is lame

[deft obsidian]

Helll yeah

[silk narwhal]

So are plusle and minun

[zealous lichen]

oh I disagree most of these are great options the only one I dont like is Wingull lilne

[silk narwhal]

So is wingull

Etcetera

[outer matrix]

do you all think that the 2nd place on the special vote could get in?

[zealous lichen]

no

[ember bear]

oh now they are all confirmed

[silk narwhal]

I hope so

[ember bear]

dang

[deft obsidian]

Finally something good in spacial poll

[silk narwhal]

I need golisopod to get in

I will become an empty shell if he doesn't

[near galleon]

This special poll has some good picks

[silk narwhal]

He keeps losing by so little

[proud lion]

We got the weasels

[near galleon]

I do hope for Tropius

[zealous lichen]

I think its funny how many different opinions there are for this

[ember bear]

so no 3 stager huh

[clear lichen]

I feel like most likely to win the special poll is between Slurpuff, Mienshao or Golisopod

But I could be proven wrong

[hot hamlet]

nada

[silk narwhal]

I need NGS to be completed

We're so close

[zealous lichen]

NGS?

[prime dust]

we got that with the main vote

[ember bear]

i mean like in the 2nd vote but eh

ig

[zealous lichen]

I still think a new starter trio are going to be added this round

[proud lion]

So will they announce when the voting will take place or the results right away?

[silk narwhal]

What

There are no votes left

[zealous lichen]

its only the winners voting so right away

[silk narwhal]

Starters are literally disqualified

[hollow creek]

THE VOTE IS ON

[silk narwhal]

Unless they pull some suprise

[hollow creek]

Overall, a mix of good, mid, and bad

[zealous lichen]

they said there were surprises coming

[glass patio]

like minior right

[proud lion]

I’m at least hoping the number for the raffle Mon will be 490ish or even around 500

[outer matrix]

I guess since it's likely to happen, time to conceptualize a gollisopod fusion

[trail hull]

wow mienshao is cool

[hollow creek]

Meinfoo and slurpuff are the only ones a gave 1s

[proud lion]

That way it gives lead way to more potential roster by staff vote

[silk narwhal]

It'd be so sick if they added 27 more pokemon

500 total

Perfect

[hollow creek]

Plusle isn’t getting any votes

[zealous lichen]

where are you seeing this?

[civic harness]

And the others?

[hollow creek]

I just k ow

[zealous lichen]

you won a contest?

[hollow creek]

A range of 2-3

[ember bear]

pretty sure they are saying the votes they personally gave

[civic harness]

Im suprised that the two Pichus did it

[proud lion]

Why a 1 for Slurpuff?

Fairy type, tasty food fusions

[slim nexus]

i think all of the choices are good except for plusle and minun

[zealous lichen]

I think food mons are a little wierd

[ember bear]

tbh it's individuals choosing one specific line

[proud lion]

Ditto

[civic harness]

Even you say that

[dense perch]

were is the vote ?

[ember bear]

it could have been anything really

[marble meadow]

yo also winner reveal today or tommorow

[silk narwhal]

Nowhere

[hollow creek]

Not much body Potential and I feel like you have to go really far beyond to make head fusions interesting

[slim nexus]

plusle and minun would be good for heads

[silk narwhal]

It's between the winners

[slim nexus]

not bodies

[silk narwhal]

Which is why I don't really like this vote

[stuck bane]

Woah what the fuck happened I apparently picked the worst time to take a nap, why did datorre chose plusle and minun I thought he was gonna double on slurpuff like anaconja did

Also Mienshao!!! But Ik it’s not winning

[slim nexus]

people already complain about latios and latias being too similar

[silk narwhal]

It's a small set of random people

[civic harness]

Math fusions

[trail hull]

plusle and minun are easy body , jsut change the file name

[slim nexus]

and they're large pokemon

[hazy fable]

imagine the last slot would be a vote for Luvdisc

[civic harness]

Epic

[trail hull]

it would have been great : D

[slim nexus]

like look

[stuck bane]

But… it is done, we’re just waiting on vote

[slim nexus]

this is a plusle

[zealous lichen]

hahaha and just change the + and - signs

[trail hull]

yeah

[ember bear]

difference being latios and latias are beings of their own while plus and minus are just another pikaclone

[slim nexus]

i change a few pixels and now its a minun

[silk narwhal]

Just change two pixels' color and you get minun

[slim nexus]

you see what i mean?

[zealous lichen]

which is why those two lines finish quickly

[civic harness]

Yes, we know, Pichus forms

[slim nexus]

thats not a good thing

[trail hull]

somethign tells me that their body will be doen very quickly

[molten latch]

We dont know which pokemon is gonna take the spot but, I'm sure it will be Golisopod.

[stuck bane]

Yeah but simple things like voltorb aren’t exactly exciting for spriters I imagine, doesn’t really push creativity

[hazy fable]

mienfoo is nice choice

[civic harness]

Just imagine that we get all of the list

[hollow creek]

I still think slurpuff has a really good chance based on who I know won

[zealous lichen]

dont competive plays not like that mon

[ember bear]

2 carbinks 🔥

[civic harness]

Yes

[zealous lichen]

wouldnt mind it

[civic harness]

I was waiting for that

[elfin forge]

Better than Plusle and Minun or Carbink so there's that. Pretty good choice imo

[hollow creek]

Golisopod is very wanted for competition actually

[slim nexus]

im hoping for carbink, meinfoo, lurantis, morelul or ribombee

[zealous lichen]

im surprised I know in normal games its not the best

[elfin forge]

Hoping for Tropius or Wimpod lin the most

[hollow creek]

Water type with 140 defense

[molten latch]

Lurantis has potential

Indeed

[molten loom]

Golispod will be second again

[molten latch]

Ye

[ember bear]

it's only held back by the ability

[hazy fable]

lurantis only made it to server icon

rip

[elfin forge]

Probably the most likely too if you include Slurpuff

[slim nexus]

best case scenario

[silk narwhal]

Christ almighty please no

I can't take it anymore

[slim nexus]

frogman adds sigilyph or gothitelle anyway because why not

[civic harness]

Anime girls

[elfin forge]

So when will the winner be revealed?

[slim nexus]

wdym?

[silk narwhal]

Soon probably

[stuck bane]

Like, it has a chance, it’s getting at least one 3 from datorre, and appeals to other spriters, but unburden alone probably doesn’t appeal to enough competotive

[molten latch]

LETS GO!

[silk narwhal]

It's a vote between few people with few options

[stuck bane]

When all the winners give their votes, give it like 24 hours because of time zones

[civic harness]

Anyways, you guys think that extra choices will be in the votes of this year?

[zealous lichen]

what do you mean

[hazy fable]

OH RIGHT ROLE CONTEST

[molten latch]

September 8 is gonna be the results right?

[zealous lichen]

what role contest?

[civic harness]

More pokemon by manager or Frog vote

[hazy fable]

Lurantis is in a slot

[slim nexus]

the role icon contest

[trail hull]

the role icon contest is already over

[stuck bane]

How vile would it be if frog added all non-legendary and non-starter options on the raffle, spriter vote, and special vote, except Golisopod

[elfin forge]

Can't wait for the tourney too

[silk narwhal]

Let's be honest, carbink will win

[elfin forge]

Please no

[slim nexus]

he wouldnt do that

[slim nexus]

i hope it does

[silk narwhal]

If the guy who picked him twice votes 3 for it twice

[zealous lichen]

it would be too much work for him

[ember bear]

would it really?

[hazy fable]

im gonna be sad if were just getting 1 single carbink

[slim nexus]

because then it will totally bring diancie

[silk narwhal]

It has a high chance to win

[stuck bane]

Don’t guarantee it, carbink is only starting at a 6/36, Golisopod still has way more general appeal

[ember bear]

or would other people purposely avoid voting it high

[stuck bane]

But if he did

[ember bear]

just because it has a double vote chance?

[proud lion]

A big surprise would be if ALL the mons on there got added all at once

[silk narwhal]

I've seen a bunch of carbink supporters

[ember bear]

i still believe that double vote is gonna be more hurtful than good

[proud lion]

But the chances of that are zilch

[silk narwhal]

Somehow

[snow scroll]

he is one in a carbillion

[zealous lichen]

I feel like the winners would be insulted by that a bit

[elfin forge]

Best case scenario imo

everyone's happy

[silk narwhal]

Literally how

[twin phoenix]

Carbink has a higher chance of getting in than Gothitelle, it seems.

[silk narwhal]

They all win

[ember bear]

tbf there were plenty of people that were unhappy with kommo o

[civic harness]

Anyways...

[snow scroll]

then we add none of them

problem solved

[slim nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-one-in-a-krillion-gif-12148107203104299362

[silk narwhal]

How would they be upset

[civic harness]

I will use my propaganda for the next year I guess

[ember bear]

shrug

[stuck bane]

It makes no sense to allow a double vote if it’s going to actively hinder your chances of winning

[hazy fable]

yeah it makes the supposedly 13 voters to make it uneven become 12

[silk narwhal]

The picks are in total 22 mons

[civic harness]

Carbink twins

[silk narwhal]

The devs can pick 5 more that they like and boom

500 total

Everyone is happy

[hazy fable]

No, the Carbink slots is just the same person

[snow scroll]

so we have 9 instead of 10 basically

[civic harness]

Thats the joke

[snow scroll]

that's not bad tbh

we can get a tiebreaker that way

[zealous lichen]

Frog tie break

[stuck bane]

I think Mienshao has a chance as a surprise underdog, bias aside, it was chosen by a spriter and mostly appeals to competotive. Goliso obv has better odds, but a few swing votes is all it takes with only 11 winners voting

[molten loom]

So is slurpuff and plusle/minun

[snow scroll]

wait no

i miscounted

[hazy fable]

no we have 12 instead of 13

[snow scroll]

yeah oop

[hazy fable]

we dont have a tie breaker

[snow scroll]

okay NOT good

opposite of good

very bad

[zealous lichen]

dont we have 11 voters?

[civic harness]

Maybe in some days it will be revealed

[ember bear]

14th contest incoming fr

[trail hull]

so out of the 13 voters 2 are there 2 times so it's actually 11 people

[hazy fable]

which is good for them to pick two different mon per slot

[slim nexus]

im hoping whatever gets added will make the dex numbers even

[silk narwhal]

Yeah it's 11 people

Not that it matters since the votes aren't 0/1

[ember bear]

wait so how many pokemone are there currently?

[zealous lichen]

its also weight choice voting so

[silk narwhal]

They go 0 through 3

[hazy fable]

math isnt mathing lol

[stuck bane]

Ok it’s weird,

13 winner positions

we have 11 winners because we have 2 double winners

One of the double winners chose double options, so it’s 12 options

[trail hull]

Oh?

[silk narwhal]

What

Can you guys count

It's 12 contests

[hazy fable]

im so confused rn

[zealous lichen]

13 choices the Carbink is on there twice

[zealous lichen]

13

[silk narwhal]

Two picks are the same

So 11 picks

[hazy fable]

13 contests the 1st one isnt bulleted lol

[snow scroll]

my brain is so fried rn

[silk narwhal]

Wait what

[hidden relic]

Something to consider as well, despite Frog not saying it

Torre was also Dog Days winner

[snow scroll]

so we have 13 people

[silk narwhal]

Then what's the 13th choice

[snow scroll]

picking from 12

[hazy fable]

so 11 voters, 12 slots, 13 contests, 6 monkes, idk what anymore

[white meadow]

Mienshao is based pick

[silk narwhal]

No it's 11 people

[zealous lichen]

there were 6 tourny, 6 spritework, 1 concept work

[snow scroll]

what

[proud lion]

Golisopod and Mienshao do rock paper scissors for a tiebreak

[trail hull]

guys , removed 1 to 13 to get the amount of choices.
Remove 2 to 13 to get the amount of voter

[snow scroll]

oh

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying, datorre himself will give Slurpuff an auto 3, but I’m just confused why he didn’t do the same as anaconja

[snow scroll]

my math isnt mathing today

[stuck bane]

For the memes?

[silk narwhal]

Because there is no point in picking the same pokemon twice

[stuck bane]

Then why did anaconja pick Carbink

[zealous lichen]

it appears twice in the list so it is double weighted

[silk narwhal]

Unless you want it specifically to get more votes, so you don't pick an extra mon

[civic harness]

Is just for the laughs

[silk narwhal]

No clue

[silk narwhal]

No it's not

[agile olive]

I'm glad it's a vote and not a raffle, if plusle won there would be riots

[hazy fable]

bcoz they thought diancie would make it if they pick carbink?

[silk narwhal]

He can just vote twice

[white meadow]

No way it appears twice in list

[proud lion]

I won’t mind Carbink

[silk narwhal]

It's a vote, not a raffle. It doesn't inherently have more chances because it's a weighted vote

[molten latch]

Lurantis needs a chance because Kommo-O has taken the spot. Also it can be base on the Expensive Outfits from SM & USUM

[trail hull]

I don't mind any of the choices

[silk narwhal]

Oh i do

[zealous lichen]

since we cant see the vote lets stop arguing it

[silk narwhal]

I mind all of them except one

I like Lurantis but i need my G

[stuck bane]

I was under the impression this was for anaconja specifically, like he votes for himself twice but everyone else only votes Carbink once

Ana won 2 tourneys. Let’s call them Ana and Conja and Carbink 1 and Carbink 2

Ana can’t vote for carbink 1, but can vote for Carbink 2

Conja can’t vote for Carbink 2, but can vote for Carbink 1

It’s a strange system I admit, but the alternative was not giving him extra votes and putting him at a disadvantage since Carbink could only get 11x3 max votes instead of 12x3 like everyone else

[proud lion]

Even the Plusle gang?

[silk narwhal]

I'm pretty sure you can vote your own pokemon regardless

[stuck bane]

I have bias towards plusle, used one in x and y battles with friends, I wouldn’t hate it

[trail hull]

yeah it gonna be easy to sprite

unlike latios and latias their difference is so easy to change

[stuck bane]

I was under the impression you couldn’t, else everyone would just vote their own 3 and everything else 0, ana was just a unique scenario I thought

[hollow creek]

It’s gonna be a while until we gets votes from all the winners

Timezones n shit

[clear lichen]

Mmmm

[marble meadow]

true

[trail hull]

jokes on you I won't have to wait as bedtime is soon

[fiery elbow]

RIP to Zangoose and Seviper, again. 😔 I guess hardly anyone likes them but a few people here. I hope at least Cutiefly/Ribombee or Swirlix/Slurpuff wins since we need more fairy and bugs, Tropius too for it's design. Heck, I take anyone to be honest except for Plusle/Minun or Carbink because their design sucks and boring.

[clear lichen]

Timezones

[hollow creek]

Not crazy long, just a day or two

[clear lichen]

Timezones are "great"

Hey, what time is it for y'all?

[stuck bane]

Like 5ish

[hollow creek]

5

[clear lichen]

Pm or AM

[hazy fable]

imagine the 2nd voting would be done by hunger games simulator with their mons

[ember bear]

11 pm

[molten latch]

Isnt it gonna take like September 8?

[hollow creek]

No lol

[molten latch]

Until we get there

[clear lichen]

I need it to laugh at how terrible timezones are

[zealous lichen]

4 pm

[zealous lichen]

time zones arnt that bad daylight savings is

[trail hull]

23h07

[molten latch]

Oof

[stuck bane]

If that were the case frog would just make it a raffle, which I wouldn’t be opposed to

[clear lichen]

If you say "5" I can't tell if I'm on the opposite end of the world or the same

But yeah with 99% of people on the internet just being on the opposite end of the world from me

My sleep schedule got FUCKED

[silk narwhal]

that's why european time is superior

it's 5 and 17

[ember bear]

fire

[hazy fable]

i think it would also be better if thats the case

[ember bear]

24h format peak

[humble lance]

my ranking:

1. Slurpuff
2. Tropius
3. Golisopod
4. Lurantis
5. Ribombee
6. Mienshao
7. Pelipper
8. Scrafty
9. Crawdaunt
10. Shiinotic
11. Carbink
12. Plusle/Minun

[bold atlas]

I always forget Mienfoo is from Gen 5 and not Gen 3

idk something about it just feels... Hoenn-y

[clear lichen]

Huh?

[marble meadow]

just praying now to atua

[hazy fable]

Surely Golisopod is better than Tropius

[clear lichen]

???

[bold atlas]

what

[clear lichen]

Didn't know people thought that way

[hazy fable]

but your opinion

[ember bear]

ig you can kinda confuse it with medicham?

[humble lance]

i like the banana dino more than the weird bug

[clear lichen]

I dont really associate a Pokemon with the vibes it gives to a region

[trail hull]

I thought I was the only one

[hexed agate]

Taser bug

[zealous lichen]

I really wanted Vespiqueen to get added

[hexed agate]

Bus bug

[clear lichen]

I just remember what generation and region it is form

[hexed agate]

He goes by many names

[bold atlas]

and I don't tend to have the problem others have of thinking certain evolutions or pre-evos came from other gens

[trail hull]

we all wanted a mn to get added but most of us aren't happy

[hexed agate]

But Charjabug is Charjabased

[clear lichen]

Generation first since usually there's only 1 region per generation anyways

[bold atlas]

But for some reason this one just sits in that place in my mind

[humble lance]

bonana

[clear lichen]

Banan

[trail hull]

but even if we aren't all happy we should be gald we got something

[civic harness]

KAJAJAJAJ awesome

[zealous lichen]

agreed more mons are good period

[silk narwhal]

mine is:
Golisopod

Tsareena

everything else

[ember bear]

tsareena?

[stuck bane]

Tsa isn’t there

You’re hallucinating

[ember bear]

lurantis maybe?

since it was mentioned before and you got confused

[stuck bane]

Maybe that’s what he meant

[clear lichen]

Grass types that people think are feminine

Checks out ig?

[zealous lichen]

Lurantis would be good the concept art that won it was amazing

[clear lichen]

Idk though Lurantis is nothing like Tsareena

[unkempt stone]

Oh

[ember bear]

why do they even make so many plant girls

[unkempt stone]

We have all of the votes now

[humble lance]

really hoping for swirlix/slurpuff

[proud lion]

If the voting Mon is beyond 475, then we start to panik of joy

[unkempt stone]

Lurantis would be a good one

[stuck bane]

Bro lurantis is literally a mantis how do you look at that and say “that’s a woman”? Because it’s pink

[clear lichen]

Lurantis isn't isn't a girl

[coral axle]

I'm excited for either Lurantis or Slurpuff

[clear lichen]

It's not even a mantis either

It's a flower pretending to be a mantis

[coral axle]

Tropius or Ribombee would be cool too

[unkempt stone]

So I guess at this point we just wait for all the votes

[stuck bane]

Yes but it still will make mantis fusions

[unkempt stone]

And then see what happens

[clear lichen]

Hey why does Scyther look nothing like a mantis

[zealous lichen]

I have mixed feelings about slurpuff but I dont care for food mons generally

[hazy fable]

NAUR THE FURRET IN A GLASS

[silk narwhal]

i meant lurantis

[clear lichen]

It's a mantis but it sure as hell doesn't look like one

[unkempt stone]

Because he's a weird creature

[silk narwhal]

i fucked up

[stuck bane]

Fair

[clear lichen]

I have this issue with Kangaskhan not looking like a Kangaroo too

[trail hull]

it's a reverse orchid mantis

[unkempt stone]

Really like

[coral axle]

I adore orchid mantids tho

[unkempt stone]

Both Scyther and Kangaskhan can be traced back to gen 1 syndrome

Gen1 designs are just funky like that

[clear lichen]

Scyther looks cool though so that can be forgiven

[ember bear]

a flower pretending to be a mantis pretending to be a flower

[unkempt stone]

True

[zealous lichen]

yeah gen 1 is a creature with something added to it more than anything

[unkempt stone]

Yea

[stuck bane]

Goliso probably takes this

Carbink, Slurpuff, and mienshao all have chances at underdog victories, imo

[clear lichen]

But Scyther not looking like a mantis makes Scizor and Kleavor very ambiguous

[unkempt stone]

I mean

[hazy fable]

tho i kinda do hope for lurantis

[unkempt stone]

Given They've got a Rock/Paper/Scissors thing going on

[molten loom]

It gets second place again

[clear lichen]

Is Scizor an ant or a mantis?

[unkempt stone]

It makes sense

[clear lichen]

If Scizor was an ant it would be funny

[zealous lichen]

I never put that together......

[unkempt stone]

Yea

[clear lichen]

Also, how is that Rock paper scissors

Scizor beats both Scyther and Kleavor

[stuck bane]

I would love lurantis, but yeah being chosen by a spriter and mostly appealing to spriters does hamper chances

[unkempt stone]

Scyther is Paper, Kleavor is Rock, Scizor is Scissors

Steel = Scissors/Rock = Rock

[molten loom]

Scizor is gun it seems

[stuck bane]

There’s only 11 voters, we gotta think this carefully

[unkempt stone]

Therefore

Scyther = paper

[ember bear]

scizor beats kleavor and cleavor beats scyther

[clear lichen]

Scissors beats Rock, Rock beats Paper, at Paper loses to Scissors

[ember bear]

🔥

[clear lichen]

Seems legit

[unkempt stone]

No way Scyther is beating Scizor is all I'm saying

[unkempt stone]

It's not an exact one to one but like

[zealous lichen]

I do think its funny the stat total for those evolutions never changes

[unkempt stone]

It's the theming that counts

[humble lance]

do it for him

[clear lichen]

Moral of the story, pick scissors every single time

[unkempt stone]

I mean

Scizor is the best of the three I think

Like

From a viability standpoint if I remember correctly

[clear lichen]

If someone picks Rock, inform them of the type chart

[clear lichen]

Yup

[unkempt stone]

We can't do nothin

[zealous lichen]

kleavor's signature move is fantastic

[clear lichen]

It's the best and also beats them in a 1v1

[unkempt stone]

Yeah

[analog stag]

So no three stages in the vote

[unkempt stone]

Kleavor has that going for it

[clear lichen]

But no, Rock Paper Scissors

[hazy fable]

whoever made this sprite, props to them for the glass idea

[clear lichen]

Even with Stone Axe being GOATed, Kleavor is still worse than Scizor

[ember bear]

good old technician bullet punch, nothing beats that

[stuck bane]

Damn you right

[coral axle]

Carbink would be pretty cool tho i adore crystals

[unkempt stone]

Isn't Kleavor better in trick room?

[analog stag]

Vote for the Binkster or the treat puppy

[zealous lichen]

I think @humble lance made allthe ones they have been sharing

[clear lichen]

Idk lol

[humble lance]

no i didnt make those

[clear lichen]

Trick Room doesn't exist in Singles

[stuck bane]

Who you sayin this to no winners here

[humble lance]

ive just been collecting them

[stuck bane]

I think

[clear lichen]

And I have not seen Kleavor in Doubles

As far as I'm concerned, Kleavor and Trick Room are mutually exclusive

[humble lance]

quote lass made this one

[zealous lichen]

yeah Kleavor has limited use in doubles but youll see it every so often

[clear lichen]

Stone Axe probably isn't too good in Doubles either

Stealth Rock is a lot less relevant there

[zealous lichen]

yep

[clear lichen]

And the low BP catches up to it

[zealous lichen]

BP?

[clear lichen]

Sharpness helps but at the same time you'd hope for more damage than it has

[ember bear]

base power ig

[clear lichen]

Yup

[zealous lichen]

its abilities are great

Sheer Force and Sharpness

[clear lichen]

Sheer Force overwrites Stone Axe's ability

[weak trellis]

4v4 doubles in general is far less switching-intensive than singles yea

[clear lichen]

Whether this is good or bad, you decide

But as a singles player, this is terrible

[weak trellis]

hence why somethin like palafin is an actual risk in that format

[inland jewel]

LFG

[clear lichen]

Because you want those rocks

[inland jewel]

new favorite pokemon to vote

[zealous lichen]

true

[clear lichen]

And Sharpness gives a better boost

[hazy fable]

Looking for group?

[clear lichen]

Palafin is clearly designed around Doubles

Its "drawback" is not a drawback in Singles whatsoever

So it's pretty much just a Pokemon with massive attack and average speed

With 60 BP priority

And rain boosted attacks

And Taunt

And Bulk Up

And good movepool

It gets Flip Turn btw

Good luck!

[zealous lichen]

all that stops it is arena trap and such

[inland jewel]

Mienshao with the regenerator U-turn strat

[clear lichen]

Flip Turn

:)

[zealous lichen]

i didnt realize that avoided that stuff lol

[clear lichen]

Oh, and Arena Trap is banned

Iirc

[inland jewel]

Arena trap doesn't stop Flip Turn, U-turn, Volt Switch, etc

[clear lichen]

Trapping is generally seen as unhealthy

Imagine you're up against Kingambit, but you're fine, you have your Encore Iron Valiant in the back

But then it gets trapped by Gothitelle

And dies

Uh oh

I didn't use Zamazenta there because I feel like Zamazenta could win that 1v1

[weak trellis]

gen 9 has a bunch of stuff that's blatantly designed for 4v4 doubles and no other format

[ember bear]

hey remember when zama c was somehow ou for a little bit

that was funny

[weak trellis]

well, auto trapping

[clear lichen]

This is especially bad for Stall, where removing a pivotal defensive core of the team is obviously terrible

But uhh

[weak trellis]

manual trapping is fine since there's a risk that you trap the wrong target

[clear lichen]

Stall may already be dead

[weak trellis]

and is generally used mostly on bait sets to take out specific threats

[clear lichen]

There isn't a current stall sample team

[zealous lichen]

I dont play competative enough lol I tend to stay in the Nuzlocke stuff

[clear lichen]

And the most recent one was forced to use Tera Ice

[weak trellis]

yea recovery moves getting their pp gutted was rough

[weak trellis]

same here for the most part

[clear lichen]

I play competitive

I'm not great at it

[ember bear]

literally me!

[clear lichen]

But what I am great at is understanding what I'm told

[zealous lichen]

I dont play the mainline games that often in general lol

[clear lichen]

So even if my gameplay itself is terrible I can understand why something is broken or not

[zealous lichen]

oooh maybe I should do a SWSH nuzlocke

[clear lichen]

I keep overpredicting

And also its hard to play well when you're actually playing ngl

Like when you're spectating you spot 50 different mistakes someone made

But when you're not spectating you become ass

Yknow that feeling?

Yeah that

[molten loom]

I spot those like 2 turns after I make them

[zealous lichen]

that is pretty much any game ever lol

[clear lichen]

Average game of Pokemon:

[molten loom]

or instantly

[clear lichen]

(Forget competitive or not)

[molten loom]

like when I lost the monotype

[gray vine]

Mienshoe is such a forgottable pokemon for me

[eager jungle]

-# don't forget that #other-pokemon-games exist

[gray vine]

i barely even soemtimes remember mienfoo

[clear lichen]

Mb i get sidetracked a lot

Wait how did this conversation even start

[zealous lichen]

its not the most either for me. like I dont hate it but I dont love it

[molten loom]

[ember bear]

scizor vs kleavor

[clear lichen]

Ah right

Rock paper scissors but it is heavily rigged for scissors

[hot hamlet]

I have a soft spot for Mienshao given it was on my Black team

[clear lichen]

I just think it looks cool honestly

U-Turn+Regenerator is also funny

[zealous lichen]

I wish I hadnt skipped 6 generations D:

[clear lichen]

What isn't funny is the fact that it has 95 SpA

And 125 Attack

You don't need 95 SpA

Tbf it is meant to be a glass cannon

But I'm sure you could move like 15 of those points into HP

Or Speed

Or either defence

[zealous lichen]

lets stop talking about mons that will never in this game lol

[clear lichen]

Idk, it's from Gen 5

It's in the special vote

It has a good chance

[zealous lichen]

oh...I thought you were talking Kleavor still

[ember bear]

tbf later gen pokemon are just way too minmaxed

some of them at least

[clear lichen]

Pseudos went from completely inoptimal-slightly optimised and became insane

Box Art Legendaries went from completely inoptimal-slightly optimised and became insane

[zealous lichen]

I love that they are very much part of their own regions

[clear lichen]

What next?

[clear lichen]

(Excluding Zamazenta and Caly-S)

Wait zacian

Fuck

My brain is fried

Listen it's 5:34 am here OK?

[ember bear]

some boxarts legis are also just way better than their counterpart

[marble meadow]

and then thres gholdengo

[clear lichen]

Gholdengo is weird

Its stats aren't clusterfucked and minmaxed

But then you look at the ability

Jesus christ, that ability

[hollow creek]

I like gimmighoul

[ember bear]

yes let's make it immune to every status move 🔥

[hollow creek]

Reddit goblin

[clear lichen]

I hope you like using Cinderace

[marble meadow]

bloodmonn ursaluna ability though

[clear lichen]

That's the one that's like

Scrappy with some extra effects

Right?

[zealous lichen]

we keep getting into other game discussion

[marble meadow]

but eh we drifting a bit appart but im fine with slurpuff and tropius

[sullen elbow]

Its just keen eye plus scrappy I believe

[clear lichen]

I promise you, Scrappy Ursa-BM would've worked just as well as Mind's Eye

[clear lichen]

Uhhhhh

[weak trellis]

scrappy is the big one though yea

[clear lichen]

Add Ursa-BM into IF

Frfr

[weak trellis]

since it removes a critical immunity

keen eye is helpful since it does stop evasion nonsense though, but it's not why it's good

[clear lichen]

Mind's Eye isn't extremely clusterfucked

Combined with the Pokemon though...

[weak trellis]

yea most of that is bloodmoon alongside CM + recovery + a great stat spread to abuse it

also I had a really bad concept for a move last night rofl

[clear lichen]

If they make a dumb event like Rayquaza with V Create it better be Shiny Lunala with Blood Moon

Fuck it, we Ghost/Normal coverage

[weak trellis]

fire type, 80 base power, burns the user regardless of type. if the user is burned and the opponent doesn't have another status, then the burn is transferred to the opponent and the user's burn is cured. (this is supposed to be for a guts user)

[clear lichen]

Flareon is unfortunately still bad, honestly

[weak trellis]

I love how you could tell it was for flareon ROFL

pretty sure I can't make flareon good without adding "raises speed on use" to that

[marble meadow]

u know what just add the move bloodmoon in if

[clear lichen]

If only Guts on a fire type was the first failure

[weak trellis]

then again I feel like most pokemon would like "raises speed on use" on a move with at least 75 base power (except for quaquaval where even that doesn't help)

[clear lichen]

Give it to Lunala and it's a deal

I need to have the funny joke that'd come at the cost of the metagame's stability

Lunala's tied for my favourite Pokemon that's a perfectly good reason

[ember bear]

real

[clear lichen]

Also give it Quiver Dance because uhh

Uhhh

Yeah no I'm just biased

[ember bear]

diancie should totally mega evolve without needing a stone fr

[clear lichen]

True!

While we're at it, remove the need for Necrozium on Necrozma for Ultra Necrozma

And also allow Kommo-O to use Clangerous Soulblaze without Z Crystal

Surely that'd end well

I do not see any drawbacks of doing this whatsoever

[ember bear]

(tbh if ray gets to mega without a stone why should diancie)

[weak trellis]

make it so that simply sending out victini makes you automatically win the fight (lore-friendly)

if both players send out victini turn 1 then it's treated like both players won

[clear lichen]

Because Rayquaza mega evolving without a stone is bullshit

[marble meadow]

the only way i see z crystals return is a legends game

[clear lichen]

Well, if it is set before Necrozma got robbed, nope

Because Z Crystals are canonically part of Necrozma that kinda fell off iirc

Necrozma is basically a supersized Z Crystal

[dusty arrow]

give necrozma clangorous soul without a drawback for game accuracy

[clear lichen]

Or, Z Crystals are mini Necrozma?

Idk

Anyways to try to bring the conversation to something related to the channel

[marble meadow]

i see so the only mystery is the megastones maybe in za there is a pokemon equvelent