pif-hoenn-discussion

[white meadow]

I don't see the potential on the spriting side so that impacted my votes a lot

[ornate tide]

I gave 0's to mons I absolutely despise

Exca could make some interesting sprites

[white meadow]

I think it's gonna be an alola mon

Like what though

Conkeldurr or however that's spelled gets more support on the spriting side for a similar niche I feel

[ornate tide]

its between Golisopod and Kommo o in my opinion

[white meadow]

Same with Clawitzer

I think my guess would be Golisopod, Tsareena, Lurantis, and Kommo o in some order

It really depends on how much influence the spriting side has

[ornate tide]

Actually Kommo o might get a few amount of zeros

I mean a lot

but it will probably get a bunch of 3's from people that just play Pif

[white meadow]

It's hard to say

That's thing if it's just general playerbase public opinion impacting this thing I think my list is pretty strong

But there's a lot of spriter movements that have been going on for over a year now that are pretty powerful in the Discord

[ornate tide]

but then there is a small amount of Poa players that might shake up the vote a bit

[white meadow]

Minior, Gogoat, and Slurpuff come to mind

Is poa showdown

[ornate tide]

probably not to much tho

Poa is the If Showdown yeh

[white meadow]

I think a lot of it is gonna come down to if Golisopod wins public

[ornate tide]

then special vote will be pretty interesting

[white meadow]

Because I don't think a lot of the showdown mons are all that popular

Other than prob scrafty

[ornate tide]

either lurantis wins or carbink doesn't get screwed over by conja havng double votes

[white meadow]

Man I pray for slurpuff

At least with the vote as it is

Also if it's just one person being able to vote twice I don't really see how that's gonna impact the vote much other than limiting options

[ornate tide]

Actually it can skew the vote if it is used correctly

[white meadow]

How so

[ornate tide]

you just can't vote 0's on everything

[ornate tide]

you can double 0 Lurantis messing up its chances prolly

you can probably put higher votes on things like tropius

[white meadow]

Bro cant people just vote on different ips for the same effect

Like if it's one person getting to vote twice

I don't buy that that's gonna be substantial

Because guys like me are doing the same thing with zeros

[ornate tide]

Im talking about the special vote tho

[white meadow]

So only the people in the special vote can vote

[ornate tide]

I assume yes

just the winners

[white meadow]

Thats what I assumed but it sounded different from what was being said earlier

Let me do some research

[ornate tide]

It seemed like some people thought the popular vote and special vote where only using mons proposed by the winners ngl

[white meadow]

It is indeed a vote between winners only

Damn

Better than a raffle I guess

[ornate tide]

There are 6 votes total based off tours tho

Are any of the tour winners spriters also idk

[white meadow]

Bought to have me researching all the voters

This is really tough though

Crawdaunt I'm most worried about

If it gains traction as a meme among the tourney winners

[ornate tide]

Eh Crawdaunt isn’t to bad

[white meadow]

Bro as a sprite

[ornate tide]

It’s good ingame tho

So 🤷

Also on PIF Showdown daunt is immediately banned from ou idk why they would want it but like

💀

[white meadow]

Lobster is not it

[ornate tide]

I still think if golisopod wins the popular vote I think it’s probably something random wins the special vote

If people grief lunarantis for being popular

[white meadow]

No child playing Pokémon watches a Crawdaunt pop on screen and gets a twinkle in their eye

[ornate tide]

Unless your a comp player

💀

[white meadow]

It doesn't make it into their championship team

Most people aren't comp

PIF is a nostalgia trip

[rain locust]

Im Most People

[ornate tide]

PIF was only a nostalgia trip for me because of Zapmolcuno

And I read pokemon adventures as a kid

[white meadow]

But when you played gen 3 for the first time

Did you run Crawdaunt

[ornate tide]

No because I wasn’t playing comp then 💀

[white meadow]

Or when you played Kalos did you run Carbink

[ornate tide]

Yes.

I did

[white meadow]

Over Diancie

Or Yveltal or Xerneas

[ornate tide]

I played before diance existed

[white meadow]

You're a man of sheer commitment then

[ornate tide]

I literally normally didn’t add pokemon to my team ngl

In most pokemon games I have like my team team

Where idgaf about what I use

[white meadow]

As you should

Especially with Kalos being so easy

[ornate tide]

I need to find my pokemon scarlet copy I literally forgot what I used in that game

[rain locust]

well craw is ass in gen3

no adapt and stab goes off weaker atk

[white meadow]

Yeah but that had nothing to do with it

It just looks unimpressive

My thing is this game is mostly based around the uniqueness of its art

Making a fusion really feels like seeing a whole new pokemon

And there are some mons that are much cooler for that than others

Most people are playing this game by themselves in close to the same way they would enjoy a mainstream pokemon game

Casually or maybe through a nuzlocke

Based on having the right types in their team and what looks cool

But taking mons based on the niche their stats serve in comp serves a much smaller part of the community

Who are interacting with the game based on stats instead of art

[unkempt bloom]

I am playing for both

[sick edge]

I do a mix of stats, mons I really enjoy, and cool looking fusions overall

Its nice cuz it also lets me work with mons I've never thought to use before without sacrifing a mon I really enjoy using

[white meadow]

Okay, then how do you feel about these

[unkempt bloom]

I like some more than others

[white meadow]

Vs these

[unkempt bloom]

like the top ones more

[unkempt bloom]

these are better in my opinion

[white meadow]

Or even these

[unkempt bloom]

still like the first set more

[white meadow]

My point is that some mons are way more artistically inspiring than others

[ornate tide]

Didn’t different artists make all of those tho

[white meadow]

And it makes a big difference for people in this community as a whole

Yes

Better artists wanted to sprite Slurpuff

It was fun

[unkempt bloom]

It also depends on how famous the pokemon is

[white meadow]

Slurpuff is hardly famous

[ornate tide]

That’s literally the thing if better spriters sprites carbink the sprites would actually look peak unless it’s carbink body

Idk if carbink body sprites will ever look that insanely good

[unkempt bloom]

Well with slurpuff there is also more to work with

especially with the ones you displayed

But yea I get what your saying

[white meadow]

Im not saying any mon cant be really good if good spriters pick it up

[ornate tide]

Then also the fact that good sprite makers also like diance better doesn’t help how good carbink sprites could be

[white meadow]

Im saying certain mons have more of a chance to be good much more of the time

Because Diancie is better for fusions

It doesn't have the floppy ears and the plain rock body so close to the face

I don't think Carbink is bad

For head mons the floppy ears could look really cute along with the fabric near the mouth

But for body mons

[ornate tide]

If people buy more into the moon rabbit vibes

[white meadow]

And just in general with it simply being blue crystals popping out of reg stone

[ornate tide]

Even taking inspiration from other media

[unkempt bloom]

It’s easier to create something if the body flows more

like rocks are harder to create something amazing with because of the certain amount of things you can do with it

[white meadow]

I think for Diancie that would be less of a problem

[ornate tide]

Idk I easily see carbink sprites looking really good

[white meadow]

Since it has more design elements than Carbink

[unkempt bloom]

yea but it’s small in size and has very few things going on with it

[unkempt bloom]

Of course

[white meadow]

Yeah

The lack of design elements can be really obvious with small mon fusions

Or pokemon like Dewgong

[unkempt bloom]

And the floating rocks despite them being so small it shows that with Diance the form of rocks can be separated

[ornate tide]

Slurpuff doesn’t have that much going on with it it literally comes down to taking creative freedom

[high haven]

I mean every Pokémon has the potential to make something good, even pokemon that the majority deems a zero

[unkempt bloom]

Yea but it doesn’t have a required form

[sick edge]

I love them
suicune fusion my beloved

[white meadow]

It has way more oppurtunity for creativity

And fills a mostly untouched niche

[ornate tide]

For Body fusions at least

[unkempt bloom]

Yea body fusions

[white meadow]

I think you recognize that Diancie body does Carbink but better

There are some mons that artistically fill more niches than Carbink

[unkempt bloom]

for example onix

[white meadow]

Well Onix doesnt get that much play

And fabric is probably cooler than plain rock

Though the disjointed look has been done really cool before

[unkempt bloom]

Really? I feel like I have seen a lot of custom Onix fusions that look good

[white meadow]

I think the best one I've seen that I remember is Gyarados

[unkempt bloom]

I saw one with gloom or oddish I believe and it looked great

[ornate tide]

Idk why Carbink has to be restricted to its rock shape

[white meadow]

Wdym

[unkempt bloom]

Because your tryna keep the original idea of the pokémon

[white meadow]

Saw an oddish that looked really cool

[unkempt bloom]

Grass pokémon work really good with Onix

from what I have seen

but other serpents look nice with it as well

[ornate tide]

But you can keep the original idea of the mon while keeping the moon rabbit features and crystalized feeling with the while morphing it into other mons designs

[white meadow]

You mean for heads

Oh or do you mean making like rock wings or spikes or blades or something

[unkempt bloom]

But if it’s the body for the pokemon then it has to be the same material and a similar design and shape to the original

[unkempt bloom]

Yeah but that wouldn’t be carbink at that point

that’s not his whole shtick

He’s a rock with gems

unless it’s like a psychic type with it or something

then that could make more sense

since it shows the rocks being manipulated

[white meadow]

Diancie has more torso than Carbink

More room to attach features to the body while keeping the gem shape as is

[unkempt bloom]

Yea

[white meadow]

Don't mean to dogpile Carbink though

[unkempt bloom]

the difference between em

you could maybe do something with the white stuff around his neck tho

[ornate tide]

The blue fits better on some mons in ngl

[unkempt bloom]

Yea

[unkempt bloom]

Same

I love Carbink on its own

it’s just it don’t work well with fusions

[white meadow]

True, but for bigger mons you would have to spread that whole rock gem texture across the whole body

Instead of having Diancie's dress to work with

[ornate tide]

That’s what gives it so much cool potential

[unkempt bloom]

And it works as well as the pokémon you put it with

[white meadow]

You would have a tiny bit of fabric and a rocky gem studded body

[ornate tide]

The rocky gem texture can look amazing

[white meadow]

But when Diancie has already been cooked up

[unkempt bloom]

What I mean is the pokémon you pair it with limits or enhanced the amount of customization

[unkempt bloom]

But that’s the thing with Carbink it Only has the rock texture

[ornate tide]

I think head Carbink with legendarys can make some amazing looking fusions

[unkempt bloom]

but with other pokémon you have that and more

[white meadow]

But Diancie already does

[ornate tide]

But the texture doesn’t have to be plain .-.

[white meadow]

And imagine food legendaries

[unkempt bloom]

Wdym?

[white meadow]

Or smoke legendaries with Torkoal, or girlboss with Tsareena, or grassy gogoat Regigigas, or shining knight with Escavalier, or LED sfx paradise Minior fusion with Darkrai

[ornate tide]

The rocks and crystals get incorporated in different ways along with the fluff also with the ears

Idk in my brain it just makes since maybe I should learn how to sprite bruh

🗿

[white meadow]

But spots are limited

[unkempt bloom]

I mean with a months practice and a few tutorials you should be able to do it

[unkempt bloom]

He could make them just for himself if he wants

like a hobby

you don’t gotta be an artist to paint yk

[molten latch]

Hello Trafalgar Law

[ornate tide]

Idc about getting a spot ngl

[white meadow]

I mean like Carbink being in the game

Not you as a spriter or how much people like Carbink fusions or anything

I just think other pokemon have more range

[ornate tide]

Actually maybe just do concept art

[white meadow]

And inspire more artistically

Minior you can literally color however you want

Slurpuff you can make anything food with a tongue hanging out

[unkempt bloom]

Hello

(idk who your pfp is)

(I probably forgot)

[ornate tide]

I feel like less in my brain sometimes feels like more 💀

[white meadow]

Like look at this

[molten latch]

Its on my username

[unkempt bloom]

Like climbing a metaphorical hill is like climbing a metaphorical mountain

[unkempt bloom]

Sounds familiar but I don’t think I have watched or read anything with her

Hello Mordred

[deft obsidian]

Fate character?

[unkempt bloom]

Then I definitely don’t know her

I haven’t watched fate yet

I don’t know where to start lmao

[ornate tide]

I think if there is less I think there is more artistic freedom to add on in general but then the way visualize things probably different ngl

I need to start doing more art pluh

[deft obsidian]

I mean they looks awesome, but they make me hungry and I don't like food sprites (that's just my skill issues, slurpuff have amazing potential)

[unkempt bloom]

100 SPRITES!!!

Godamn

good work

[unkempt bloom]

I get what your saying

if a pokémon has less then there is more to add onto it

I can understand that way of thinking

[deft obsidian]

I have almost 200 sprite.
Started spriteing from 1 December 2023

[unkempt bloom]

it’s just if your trying to keep the same idea as the original pokémon then it would be harder to add more

[white meadow]

Jesus

I didnt realize you started that recently Matin

[unkempt bloom]

Grinding out here Good work

[ornate tide]

Also Rotom so many people take artistic freedom of the concept of rotom itself

[unkempt bloom]

Cause it’s freeform

it’s litteraly ghost lightning

and has been shown to be able to possess items

[white meadow]

I also really mess with Torkoal for smoke sfx

[deft obsidian]

9 month ago is recently ?

[white meadow]

And orange is sort of an underused pallete

For 200 sprites yeah

[unkempt bloom]

Too have made 200 sprites definitely

[unkempt bloom]

Yea I like smoke things as well

I really like the duskull fusions

[ornate tide]

I can make the same argument that rocks come in all shapes and sizes

But then I’m going away from pokemon so idc really

💀

[unkempt bloom]

Yea but that rock is a specific size and can’t grow

[white meadow]

I think Rotom body makes an argument for why Castform body could work

[unkempt bloom]

Well yeah it’s a cloud

[white meadow]

Because people could literally freeform with whatever weather effect they want for that pokemon

While sticking to one of the general Castform shapes

Similar to colorpicking with Minior

[ornate tide]

In pokemon go Carbink can be different sizes 🤓☝️

💀

[unkempt bloom]

Yea most pokemon have different sizes but stay in a certain range

same species I mean

[white meadow]

I'm inclined to say that Scrafty hoody mons have more head pokemon potential than Carbink

[ornate tide]

Also Gardevoir Zapdos one of the sprites are literally just Nami from one piece

[white meadow]

Yeah not a fan of that one

[ornate tide]

It seems like people can have creative freedom for pretty much anything at that point

[white meadow]

Froslass/Meloetta is as well

[unkempt bloom]

Yea those look cool but kinda annoy me

[white meadow]

That is a reference fusion

[unkempt bloom]

since it’s just wow you made a whole ass human

[white meadow]

And a very crude one at that

[ornate tide]

Like literally you can make Carbink and Conkeldutr and make it look like crazy diamond from jojos or something

[white meadow]

Did crazy diamond hold anything

I thought it was like Star Platinum but it healed and had a square head

[ornate tide]

Nah it didn’t it’s just because I remember when I got a josuke custom avatar people wanted to make a Conkeldurr fused with crazy diamond pokemon sprite

[white meadow]

I could see it for Machamp I think

Im personally a big fan of reference sprites so I respect it

Though it can't really be an argument for a whole line

Unless it's super practical like Gardevoir

[unkempt bloom]

I am as well it’s just that sometimes these refrences fusions are a bit of a stretch

[white meadow]

Yeah it's tough to do right

[ornate tide]

Nami sprite would make more since as Gardevoir Castform unironically

[white meadow]

Thats a good part of the reason I want Castform

Castform/Tsareena egghead Nami

Could be peak

[white meadow]

Just in case the Carbink voter comes back I will link to this visual argument

[ornate tide]

Aren’t most of those are head sprites tho

Slurpuff just being candy makes it free form?

1984

[unkempt bloom]

You get a flashback or something?

[unkempt bloom]

Not really but there’s more you can do with it since it’s candy meaning you can add on gummy worms or cotton candy or cake, stuff like that

and it still stays with the theme

[ornate tide]

Theoretically I should be able to shape rocks in different ways with carbink and it should stay in theme

Because I assume the Churro one is Milotic head

And that looks nothing like slurpuffs body

[unkempt bloom]

Yea hhat one I agree on

I didn’t like that one for the same reason

[white meadow]

That is very clearly Milotic's body

[ornate tide]

But where is a slurpuff the fact that it’s a churro

There are other food themed pokemon

Adding a tongue makes it a slurpuff head is very interesting

[white meadow]

Here are some of the Slurpuff bodies you asked about

[unkempt bloom]

Those have got to be the most adorable little gremlins

[white meadow]

The Mismagius one is really the only Carbink body in spritework unless you count this one

Also the churro has the cherry and pink cream covered tail

It's better explained in that thread

The only other food pokemon I think people talk about is Vanilluxe

Which has way less range than Slurpuff

[ornate tide]

Ig it makes sense

But I feel like range still seems very subjective In general think it depends on the artist

[hot hamlet]

Rocky Road?

[unkempt bloom]

That’s true

[white meadow]

Minior

Here's some cool Carbink concept art though

It looks especially good on Eevee with it being so small

[ornate tide]

That’s literally the type of stuff that I feel like people just haven’t been doin for the sprites at least

I think it may be harder to make tho so I don’t blame them

[white meadow]

Well I think when you actually translate it to pixel art this size

It looks much more plain

Like it's hard to make the blue crystals look impressive enough to justify all the gray rocky space

Though I know some spriters could do it

[hot hamlet]

Dumb question:
Vanilite/Slurpuff… big fancy sundae, or ice cream cake?

We all know Vanilite/Wailord should be Fudgie the Whale

[white meadow]

Probably a sundae I think

[unkempt bloom]

Let’s see

[hot hamlet]

I just realized I said the ice cream’s name so often my Autocorrect changed Vaniluxe to Vanilite

[unkempt bloom]

lol

[hot hamlet]

Also you have any idea how many desserts could be made a la mode with a dollop of ice cream? Vanilite has range

[white meadow]

Comparatively

[hot hamlet]

Solosis alone would become JellO

Or Ditto

[white meadow]

And also it's a pain it's a three stage evo

[hot hamlet]

I can see Torterra being either a massive sundae… or pie a la mode

[white meadow]

The Reuniclus

[hot hamlet]

Quantity over quality. We don’t know when or if there will be another addition, so an extra three mons for an extra 5 sprites max per fusion would more than make up for it

[white meadow]

Lmao

[hot hamlet]

I do love Slurpuff but this is me lobbying for another foodmon

[white meadow]

Quantity over quality is a crazy argument

Especially when the difference between the evolutions is just more scoops

[hot hamlet]

It’s the only reason I’m annoyed at the people wanting Tropius honestly

And Carbink

[ornate tide]

Death

[white meadow]

There are already so many unsprited mons

[hot hamlet]

People said the same when Rockruff came out and had none for the first month

[hot hamlet]

I’ve already said if it gets in I’d work it into a Jewelry Run. I’m just being hopeful

[ornate tide]

Idk with the way how the special vote is gonna be if Golisopod doesn’t win the popular vote already Golisopod is just winning the special vote immediately

[white meadow]

Special vote is special

[ornate tide]

Unless the winners start spamming 0’s on Golisopod

Then Lurantis wins probably

[white meadow]

Just need the 10 people to be cultured enough

And slurpuff has a chance

[hot hamlet]

Not Carbink? given it has 2 vote slots

[ornate tide]

It will literally probably get griefed

[white meadow]

I wouldnt hate scrafty

[ornate tide]

Watch tropius get in on the special vote

Because it’s gonna be the only mon without a zero

[white meadow]

I would hate Tropiss

[hot hamlet]

Ngl I kinda didn’t like the idea of being able to put two votes to the same mon.
Or even being able to win two co tests for the slot. Feels unfair, like, imagine if someone won half the events and said the same mon every time?

[ornate tide]

I assume you can’t vote 0’: on everything in the special vote

[ornate tide]

If someone won half the events they might as well get one slot for themselves in the first place that’s insane work

[hot hamlet]

Or just a cracked competitive player

But it kinda narrows who will win in the end if the same people kept winning the tourneys

[ornate tide]

Big boss and Ranbats kinda stopped it

Anaconja almost won doubles

💀

Doubles was so shit

[hot hamlet]

Would have made 3 Carbinks then and half the battle tourneys won by 1 person

Just not a fair means of competing for a rare spot

[ornate tide]

I feel like it anaconja won three times they probably would of made him choose a 3rd mon but not get a extra vote

[hot hamlet]

Then they shouldn’t have allowed for 2 of the same mon from the same person in the first place. No difference between 2 or 3 votes in that case

[white meadow]

Def a difference

3 is gamebreaking

[hot hamlet]

So you’re saying they would allow repeats, then forbid it if it happens again

[white meadow]

Though I do agree that 2 is pretty unreasonable as well

Yeah

For that personp

[ornate tide]

Idk

It probably backfires

[hot hamlet]

Idk either. It still feels unfair

[white meadow]

I agree

But I dont think the raffle was any better

[hot hamlet]

Should have either gone to second place, or said “pick another mon”

[silent acorn]

Pick another

Any

[ornate tide]

I was second place 💀

[silent acorn]

So you don't mess your chances

Or ask the second place dude whose literal banner is "Carbink Propagandist"

[hot hamlet]

I’d still accept 2 of the same mon from 2 different people though. At least then you have the illusion of fairness

[silent acorn]

And who probably knows best how to proceed

[silent acorn]

Hardwork nulled because it is unfair to others

May backfire horribly

[plush bough]

Until when is the voting running?

[hot hamlet]

I can’t say any further on that point without breaking rules

[hot hamlet]

~29TH

[silent acorn]

And what could have been a solid choice on its own probably became that one guy committing electoral fraud

[sick edge]

Honestly I didn’t even know people could win more than once

[white meadow]

It's a lot more hard work to make 500 sprites for a mon that was arbitrarily added

[plush bough]

kk

[silent acorn]

It was a possibility for dupes but not that likely the same person

[sick edge]

It’s more like 800+ now

[ornate tide]

They didn’t realize that PIF showdown actually has a competitive playerbase

[silent acorn]

Well yeah but the same dude amongst 100s?

Weird odds

[ornate tide]

Anaconja is the the best IF showdown player

[silent acorn]

Huh no wonder he is obsessive

About it

I guess it makes sense

Still I wouldn't call the choice a good move

[ornate tide]

I think he probably plays BH more

[silent acorn]

Specially with the risk of others moving to something else

But who knows

Let's see how it plays out

Good nye

Gotta go mimir

[ornate tide]

Buh bye

[white meadow]

Same

[hot hamlet]

I’m stuck at work for another 1.25 hours max

[white meadow]

Hopefully anaconja votes slurpuff now

[ornate tide]

Nuh uh

We care about “stats”

[white meadow]

Idk I feel like I make a pretty compelling argument

Or rather the artists do

[ornate tide]

You can’t really

[hot hamlet]

No stats! Aesthetics or die!

[ornate tide]

Slurpuff in showdown players eyes is a shitmon the sprites look cool tho 💀

[hot hamlet]

Idk about comp in a game where the comp is side content at best

[ornate tide]

It’s not even side content ngl 💀

[white meadow]

Thats the issue with this whole double voting thing

[hot hamlet]

Why I said “at best”

[ornate tide]

It exists and IF ND OU is better for comp in the first place

So like it’s weird

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-quagsire-quagsire-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-quagsire-honest-reaction-gif-2956843705874564870

You said words

[ornate tide]

If ND is basically Infinite fusion pvp but with all mons .-.

[white meadow]

I feel like this would be fine if it wasn't one person deciding the fate of a mon

[hot hamlet]

Stop using your strange magic words on me!

[white meadow]

When they arent even mostly interested in the base game

[ornate tide]

ND stands for natdex pluh

[hot hamlet]

I don’t competitive so how would I know that?

My last attempt at competitive was XY and I barely understood what I was doing

[ornate tide]

National Dex is a regular thing in pokemon tho

Mfs be like bring back the national dex

For like a few gens

[hot hamlet]

IF ND OU EIEIO

It’s gibberish to me

[ornate tide]

Pokemon players in general use a ton of acronyms tho

[sick edge]

I mean
To someone who doesn’t know what ND stands for in competitive, it could mean something like “No Dupes”

[ornate tide]

They all don’t mean the same things tho…

[hot hamlet]

… and???
Doesn’t tell me what they all mean

So how am I. A “filthy casual” supposed to know?

[ornate tide]

The problem with the No dupes thing was like winning twice would be a punishment ngl

Because I think voting was like you vote on all mons except your own the special vote

From what I have heard

[hot hamlet]

I’ve heard different things and I keep getting corrected when I state one or another

I give up

[sick edge]

No I meant like in a battle
No dupes on your team in competitive

[ornate tide]

Oh

[white meadow]

Winning twice wouldn't be a punishment

It just wouldn't be as busted as winning once

[ornate tide]

You get two choices but you only see 11 of the pokemon

You don’t see the full 13

Theoretically if you chose two mons

Voting system I may be very misinformed idk if any mod has confirmed anything or not

[hot hamlet]

They have not afaik

[ornate tide]

Yeh all the shit that has been pushed into my brain by people in this chat is probably misinformation

💀

[white meadow]

All I know is that it's an exclusive vote for the winners

That supposedly functions the same way as the popular vote

[ornate tide]

I assume the winners can’t pick 0 on everything otherwise it would be useless

[molten latch]

Lurantis has potential too, I'm not sure who's gonna be on the spot.

[white meadow]

Lurantis is too busy I think

[ornate tide]

Carbink if the other voters don’t screw it over actually has a good chance to get in

[white meadow]

Would be difficult to do readability

A much better chance than it should

[molten latch]

Car Car Binks may have a chance because of Diancie

[hot hamlet]

Ik Speed Spriter is done in a day or two, what about the other two? How much time left before a decision?

[molten latch]

Final Day

Id say

[ornate tide]

Pray the speed spriter person puts in some heat that unites all nations

[sick edge]

Espurr

[molten latch]

Sea Doggo 2

[hot hamlet]

Also we need to stop saying “Carbink gets in, Diancie is around the corner!”
Honestly, mons with counterparts have been added before without their counterpart. Carbink =/= Diancie gets in

[molten latch]

True, sorry.

[ornate tide]

That’s my favorite type of misinformation tho

[hot hamlet]

Diancie isn’t even a choice! You’re just giving false hope at this point

[ornate tide]

Unironically Tropius

Might win the special vote

Who is giving tropius a zero

[hot hamlet]

Me

[molten latch]

Banana Flying Dinosaur

[ornate tide]

Are you in the special vote?

[hot hamlet]

For reasons previously stated

No

But I can manifest if I think hard enough

[ornate tide]

I think people may sack vote a better vote on tropius

Because no one likes it

Likes 2’s and 1’s

Probably no threes

[hot hamlet]

What if special vote is just the same thing, but Carbink is on the list twice. So people just 0 the repeat?

[ornate tide]

People might do that ngl

[sick edge]

there’s still a chance that they might also just add another Mon outside of voting, depending on how they feel about it. I think legends and starters not in the game may have a chance to make an appearance

[molten latch]

Kommo-O may have a chance to sneak over.

[ornate tide]

Do 0’s cancel out 3’s

If they do a lot of mons may be cooked

No one knows how they actually weight it

A 0 makes a 3 a 1.5

If it averages

Idk how tf frog weights it so

[hot hamlet]

Legends and starters will probably come later. Only reason they aren’t on this is because 1. Overshadow popularity of other mons, and 2. They feel they can do better than a popularity poll for the special mons

[sick edge]

My thoughts exactly

[ornate tide]

Oh the scores for the special vote can just be thrown into a average calculator

So those how the winner will probably be decided

0’s have so much weight tho

[sick edge]

I thought it was gonna be like
They counted the point total for each

[ornate tide]

Point total makes more since

Interesting

[sick edge]

Certain mons being in the poll (in the normal one, not the winners’ poll) does make me wonder how the dev team will handle them

Minior has nothing different between its different forms other than color

[ornate tide]

They probably use Minior like in a freeform way because it’s a star

Idk

[sick edge]

Fair

Or like how people use arceus’s different forms

Meowstic I think has the most difference between their gendered forms, so I’m curious on how that would work for fusions also totally not because I’m biased for that evolution line

[sturdy frost]

Minior has some interesting sprite concepts tho;

• breakaway rocky armor
• fluorescent light
• meteor/sky/cosmic theme
• lots of different bright colors to play with in combination with darker browns and blacks
• more cutesy look (i personally hate edgelord stuff)

in no way my fav, but I can see potential.

in the same way people see potential in that fucking goat

[hot hamlet]

I honestly can’t see the appeal in Minior outside competitive. Never have. And the shell gimmick is just dumb imo

[sick edge]

Not my favorite mon but they’re a cutie patootie

[molten latch]

Minior ain't bad, they're better pokemon out there sadly.

[hot hamlet]

Figured I’d rile people up with that hot take

[molten latch]

Ye

[shy nexus]

[molten latch]

[shy nexus]

I will say a lot of pokemon i've seen being mentioned can bring a lot of fun designs if im talking about designs (i didnt even realise half of them werent already in the game)

so many cute pokemon, why cant i hold them all

[hollow creek]

TOMORROW.

[static ridge]

prediction: everyone votes the pokemon they submitted and carbink wins because the one who submitted it has 2 votes

[copper jasper]

wait where can we vote?

[deft obsidian]

Evil

[ornate tide]

As long as it’s not kommo o

[deft obsidian]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdCeR0KbGw9oCW4T3IZiabJNW4h_cuE19sDcnNHxEMNweD0hw/viewform

[copper jasper]

nice

[ornate tide]

Give kommo o a zero ong

[copper jasper]

basculin comes with the possibility of getting basculegion in 3054

[deft obsidian]

Give castfrom huge 0

[ornate tide]

Give carbink a 3 because it’s not gonna win the popular vote anyway

Give luvdisc a 3 so Frog doesn’t add in luvdisc out of spite

[copper jasper]

k hear me out...

clawitzer?

for sprites and mega launcher

[hollow creek]

KOMMO O

Is rapidly approaching

There’s no way we don’t reach 400 more members by Tomorrow

[civic harness]

499.621 members guys

[sterile spoke]

This is your daily reminder to vote for Ribombee and Pangoro. 😉

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pokemon-gif-19673442

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

https://tenor.com/view/badass-munching-nibling-eating-devouring-gif-13922778

[unkempt kernel]

Pangoro would just make more Jotaro sprites lmao

Or uh, Pandamaru from JJK ig (i think thats the panda's name from jjk)

[civic harness]

And this is your reminder to eat nutritious and delicious breakfast

[grave jolt]

Holy shit that's way too good

Yk what, with that amount of effort I guess I will vote Crabrawler.

[civic harness]

Also I make this
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1277453243504394240

[civic harness]

Thank you so much

[molten latch]

[civic harness]

Whats funny?

[molten latch]

Not bad

Well, I was talking to Carbink

Because of the Luvdisc

Just forgot to mention em

[civic harness]

Well, Carbink is going to be a little hated now thanks to the prank

[molten latch]

Ye

[civic harness]

I mean, give hope for some teams and... vote the same pokemon for the laughs

And I dont know if vote for Carbink two times gave it more chances to win, they say that is not exactly an Raffle so...

[molten latch]

Yeah. . .

I understand.

[ember bear]

it certainly removed another pokemon's chances of getting in

[terse fable]

Still think person who won twice shoulda had to pick a new mon for poll but ehh

just makes it more boring this way imo

[civic harness]

The user just... reduced the number of pokemons in the list I guess

[civic harness]

Exactly

[trail hull]

Less then 400 members before the reveal

[icy valley]

we need broznong, heatran, xerneas, yvetlal, zygarde ngl

[civic harness]

We cant get legendaries

[terse fable]

was bronzong on the list

don't remember them

[molten latch]

Oh yeah

Just like what they did to the Archen line.

[civic harness]

Just imagine if we got everyone in the special list like reveal

[molten latch]

I see

[civic harness]

Thats why people would hate it a little

[icy valley]

then we need bronzong

[molten latch]

I mean Carbink is not bad, but like I said they're other pokemon that are better competitively

[ember bear]

the second carbink is gonna be a diancie!

[civic harness]

We hope

[terse fable]

doubt

[civic harness]

But probably it could be just the same for the laughs

Anyways

Now we need to wait and see what the next winners choose

[civic harness]

Did you make some propaganda or demostration?

[icy valley]

what do you eman

he has so many uses he will have cool sprites and so good abilities that havve potential to change the fusions gmae

[civic harness]

Show potential, show hype

[icy valley]

wdym by show

[civic harness]

Every pokemon have potential but we want to know

[icy valley]

ok so

levitate

on a steel type

getting a fire/steel with levitate

heatproof too

[civic harness]

Ok... let me see how many steel types are in the game

[icy valley]

bug , grass types with bronzong

makes the super effective into regular moves

[ember bear]

yeah idk if anyone ever bothers with heatproof

also it only halves it

a x4 weakness would be x2

[icy valley]

i didnt say bug/grass

i said either

and turning a 4x into 2x is not that bad right

ud rather have a chance of getting 1 shotted than having a gurantee of getting 1 shotted

[ember bear]

or just

[icy valley]

he is also really bulky and has good spa

[ember bear]

use any other ability

[icy valley]

sturdy u say?

bronzo ng is bulky

it will icnrease tne bulk of a mon

[civic harness]

Here
#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[icy valley]

atm my favourite fusions are mimiku/cloyster and shuckle/aegislash

[icy valley]

ok

so how does that affect my argument

[civic harness]

Im just showing you

[icy valley]

oh

can u add gen 8 mon or below gen 8?

[unkempt kernel]

No gen 8+

[ember bear]

it's only gen 7 and below

[unkempt kernel]

^

[civic harness]

[icy valley]

ohh

[civic harness]

Just a joke

Anyways

What about the fusions?

The game is about fusions

[ember bear]

meh why get more slow bulky steel

[icy valley]

i already said

[ember bear]

there is already quite plenty

[icy valley]

its jur ur opinoon

@civic harness a steel/fire with bronzong levitate

[unkempt kernel]

Heatproof

[icy valley]

no 4x weak to ground

[icy valley]

^

bronzong fusions can be absolute game changers

[unkempt kernel]

Plus adds more psychic type options that arent legends or myths

[icy valley]

yes

[ember bear]

cause those are really needed too

[icy valley]

wdym

i dotn get if ur trying to be sarcastic

[sterile spoke]

Ribombee is in the second vote! 😄

Whoever picked it is my new favourite. ❤️

[molten latch]

Oof

I did

See?

Ribbombee can be like a good fusion for like an Adventurer, Hipster or an Artist.

Anything goes really.

[stuck bane]

So concept contest entries end in 15 minutes, speed spriter entries end today at 6, elusive still needs to be judged, and we’ll hit 500k members today… and this entire thing ends tomorrow, this is going to be complete utter chaos with the final reveals and whatever the 500k event is

[civic harness]

Maybe the server will hit 500k in midnight

[plucky tendon]

winner will be Volbeat and illumise

[deft obsidian]

So exacting

[civic harness]

Hello there Matin

[stuck bane]

If we’re going by the ~33 new members per hour I tested, we should hit it in a little under 11 hours from now

[deft obsidian]

Hiiiiiii dinner

[molten latch]

Dinner Blaster

[stuck bane]

If placements haven’t changed It’s gonna win something that’s for sure

[civic harness]

In this hours... Breakfast Blaster

[molten latch]

[unkempt kernel]

I love the lil crabrawler by the bowl

So derpy

[sweet horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/derby-race-horses-gif-11713697

[unkempt kernel]

Autocorrect damn it!

[sweet horizon]

Lmfao

Anyway I like horses

[exotic steppe]

Clauncher
Escavalier

[deft obsidian]

Ice type magikarp

[sweet horizon]

Huahhh

[deft obsidian]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[sweet horizon]

Is there a template for this

[sweet horizon]

Oh wait yeah😭

[frozen snow]

It just randomly occurred to me: If Delphox was in the game, a fusion between it and one of the Porygon line could make an easy reference to firefox.

[sweet horizon]

Nvm found it

[civic harness]

Starters are not in the votes

[frozen snow]

I know they aren't, it was just a random idea that delphox/porygon would be a firefox reference. I wasn't asking for it to be in the votes.

[dreamy pagoda]

I would love Tropius in the game

[civic harness]

Bananas

[crimson robin]

Bananas are great, but personally I just love its leaf wings. That's a unique concept in Pokemon

[civic harness]

Well, the problem is that the body fusions can be a little similar to Meganium

[stuck bane]

I admit I might’ve underestimated tropius at first, but it did make the spriter vote, and hoenn bias is very real, it has a slim chance to take a surprise victory next to Crawdaunt (who appeals to competitive/anime more)

[sweet horizon]

Ninetales

[dim sparrow]

haven't been here in a while

[dim sparrow]

i think that reference already exists as well but i dont know what the fusion is

it could also be vulpix or flareon

guess ill post this again :>

[stuck bane]

Swoobat: team rocket Mon, good speed, only psychic type besides cosmog to get unaware, only flying type to get unaware, also only psychic and flying type to get simple, only flying type to learn heart stamp, and only psychic type head that can also learn heart stamp, also learns heart stamp the earliest out of all heart stamp users at the extremely low level 15 for both Woobat and Swoobat, also the only psychic type head to learn assurance, and the only flying type to learn odor sleuth, and the only non-legendary flying type with access to calm mind naturally

Swoobat would be an awesome Valentine’s Day pick (literally the courting Pokémon)

[dreamy pagoda]

I just think you could do a lot with tropius because of the wings and the bananas. My other votes would be for the XY legendaries

[prime dust]

as a head sure, but the body is the problem

others have pointed out that it is a bit similar to meganium and they are right

its why i don't want ribombee to win because it is mainly only going to get head fusions

since the body is going to be difficult to work with

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-sniff-nose-hungry-pokemon-gif-14614876398478750391

I'm back

What did I miss?

[stuck bane]

311 more members to go

It seems like we’re still on track with the 33 members per hour prediction, because about 2 hours ago the prediction was 11 and now it’s a little over 9 hours until we should hit it

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-pokemon-clapping-gif-25991342

Hurray!

My Round Boi may not win

But he can be an Emoji.

[stuck bane]

He has a chance as a bonus pick, hoenn bias is real and he did make it right behind Ludicolo in the spriter vote iirc

[molten latch]

No promises

Only time and choices can tell.

[opaque ether]

Mightyena hype

[stuck bane]

You accidentally put a “y” instead of an “o”

Like, it’s not impossible, I think mightyena did make the final slot on the 2020 Pokémon of the year Google poll, but that’s about it

[stuck bane]

Lilligang… it’s been real, but I’m afraid this is the end of the line for me. Whatever event 500k is, I’m afraid you’ll have to participate without me. I believe in you, justice for the celadon petilil, you can do it, you must.

||also turns out we’re getting a puppy and I’ll have no free time anymore blah blah blah let me have my moment ||

One more for the road

[marble meadow]

tropius marowak banana sans alt xd

[silent acorn]

FOOOOOOOO

CARBINK AGAIN

[silent acorn]

Oh cute. What breed is it?

[crimson robin]

Body is what I'm excited for, I want to turn its plant wings into all sorts of stuff. Or come up with things to replace the bananas.

[silent acorn]

Dragon fruit for dragons

Actually Tropius/Cacturne would be a good chance to make Dragon Fruit

Seriously tho do something those hoofs

Give me your weakest tropius now!

Actually curious how low we could go with fusion

[crimson robin]

A weird Hyno head with pendulums and hand-wings (really lean into the creep factor), Mawile with the jaws as wings, Typhlosion with jets of fire as wings, tropius has tons of great body potential

[obtuse hinge]

I think we should have Bronzong. That one would be really fun, especially with the different types of bells.

[native hamlet]

We should get this guy

[obtuse hinge]

Tropius is pretty cool too, tho. I think it would look pretty cool fused with Reshiram

[native hamlet]

Or we should get the fossilized turtle (love Pokémon can’t remember names I’m not cool)

[obtuse hinge]

Carracosta?

[weak trellis]

carracosta

[native hamlet]

Ima say yes

Ima look at a picture

Yes 100% that guy

[crimson robin]

Winners will do a second vote that includes only the winner picks. Anaconja just gets double voting power because they won twice.

[native hamlet]

Where do you vote

I’m lost

[crimson robin]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[native hamlet]

Thank you

[unique flame]

dont forget to give gourgeist a 3

[silent acorn]

I present to you, the lowest bst of IF

This thing is super weak

[native hamlet]

We need staraptor

[outer matrix]

What would those stats look like at lv 5?

[prime dust]

lvl doesn't matter

and if wishi ever gets in, sunkern gets dethroned

[inland jewel]

the way Wishiwashi's ability works is also pretty meh, since at base its small form's stats, so if you fuse it then you get the weakess pokemon in the game + fusion

[ember bear]

just make the schooling form the base 🔥

[trail hull]

game wise it would just get a stats debuff and don't change form

[velvet root]

ant

[civic harness]

I know, thats why I say it

[coarse karma]

I am going to miss this channel once more, when it vanishes in a month or two.

[fathom ridge]

That’s my OU niche pick

[velvet root]

Same

[ornate tide]

Bro Frog why are you ducking

I saw that

[hollow creek]

Less than 250 members until kommo o is in if

I wonder if we’ll reach it within the next 7.5 hours

[inland jewel]

we still got a day for them to make it

[spice sage]

wut?

[ornate tide]

Pluh

[hollow creek]

Chicken butt

[simple gulch]

[unkempt kernel]

Watch it not be Kommo-o

[hollow creek]

I would be pleasantly surprised

[outer matrix]

Why is kommo-o said to be guaranteed?

main vote?

[grave jolt]

Kommo-o was vetoed last time for being too popular.

People fucking love dragons lmao

[oblique crater]

Ribombee is my fave mon so i would die happy if it got in

[grave jolt]

Ribombee is a fairy type, so I'd be content with it getting in.

[outer matrix]

Kommo-o would be too difficult to sprite solely because of the scales

[grave jolt]

Ribombee is a fairy/bug type, so it increases the lowest types in proportion of the type that are in and in total number

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-10730821

[outer matrix]

I mean, look how much scales it has

[grave jolt]

The scales could prob be dropped with other heads I think

[oblique crater]

I mean, the scales wouldnt be that hard, i imagine, considering how detailed some of the scolipede bodies are

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/kommo-o-pokemon-jangmo-o-hakamo-o-dragon-gif-6106603155641907404

[hollow creek]

I think it has a good chance of winning the main vote, nor guaranteed

[outer matrix]

I'm going to do a bet: if kommo-o wins main vote, I'll make a meloetta fusion with it

[hollow creek]

Just keep in mind it was in the top 10 last time and it is the only pseudo not ingame yet

[ornate tide]

I unironically voted kommo o a 3 as a joke also to make people mad

[analog stag]

3 voted additions left

Aren’t they all getting added today to the list?

[dense perch]

https://tenor.com/view/camerupt-pokemon-fire-ground-running-gif-26494728

[ornate tide]

The vote additions are for the special vote only I think

If Kommo o gets in on the popular vote I think

Golisopod wins the special vote easily

[hollow creek]

I would not immediately assume that

[ornate tide]

Idk the vote can go in many ways

People may try to vote in a way to help get their mon in

Then unironically I think tropius might win

💀

[hollow creek]

Slurpuff, ribombee or golisopod

[deft obsidian]

Damn camerupt is so cool

[hollow creek]

I feel like most of the tourney winners are gonna learn towards goliso because it’s cool AND a nice addition to the meta

[ornate tide]

They should lean towards carbink 💀

[hollow creek]

But a lot of the spriting event winners like slurrypuffy so we’ll see

[stuck cave]

Who would you pick in theory

[ornate tide]

Tourney winners may also lean towards crawdaunt

[deft obsidian]

Triple fusion?!

[hollow creek]

True

Crawdaunt is also pretty epic

[simple gulch]

i will pick what ever mon i enter with that won

[hollow creek]

Tim burr would be great

[ornate tide]

Conk is a goat ngl

It would be W edition

[neat yoke]

real shit i want my camel boye

[white meadow]

Torkoal better

[mild sedge]

by only electric type I meant pure electric type btw

[dense perch]

body AND head

(btw 3/4 came from hero so huge credit to him, he do better propaganda than me XD )

[hollow creek]

Camerupt is goated

I would rather camerupt than torkoal just cause we get numel too

and I really like numel

[trail hull]

yeah camerupt gives both a cute simpel to sprite fusions and then badass fusions

[hollow creek]

Did you say something about frog adding a third mon

earlier

[trail hull]

yeah give me a minute find the screenshot

[trail hull]

he said this

[hollow creek]

Ohhhhh

[dense perch]

btw he did say extaS

[hollow creek]

Thats still HUGEEEEE LETS GOOOOO

EXTRA WITH AN S

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-boss-oogly-goo-gif-3090293690467084064

[dense perch]

imo the one that i want the most are camerupt, slurpuff and minior

[hollow creek]

Those would all be great if they're being added as extras

Add literally any mon as an extra and I will be happy

[trail hull]

I want luvdisc , slurpuff and purugly

[near galleon]

I don't mind any Pokemon to be added, even Luvdisc is fine

[hollow creek]

Any of these would be fantastic (+ xurkitree)

Xurkitree has grown on me immensely

And frog's pick might be a mythical who knows

frog does

[trail hull]

Xurkitree is cool and would definetely make more then one sprite

[hollow creek]

Xurkitree is only held back by mid defense and speed, so the moment you fuse it with anything with a moderate special attack and speed its broken

[trail hull]

also tommrow we get the first reveal

[trail hull]

beast boost

[hollow creek]

Yeah, im hyped

[trail hull]

can also be broken

[hollow creek]

175 special attack

tail glow

beast boost is the watermelon on top

[trail hull]

yep

by having one ub we get a whole new meta

[hollow creek]

That shit would be banned INSTANTLY in competitive

[ornate tide]

clamperl gaming

[inland jewel]

That’s why I’ve been saying it’s 2 minimum

[trail hull]

extras givesthe cnace to small mon

[inland jewel]

Public vote and winner vote are guaranteed

But Frog might add a Mon of his choice and Mods could get one for themselves

[hollow creek]

Relicanth moment

[trail hull]

We prob gonna get a lgend frog said he didn't wanna add a legend because he might be already is adding one

[hollow creek]

If we're getting a legend itll probably be the sun and moon

[silent acorn]

Looks like.... What even would this be?

[outer matrix]

We're getting close to 500k

[silent acorn]

It looks fantastic but I don't know what it is

[silent acorn]

Neat!

[ornate tide]

Zeraora or melm I pray

[silent acorn]

Tropius is an extra..

[hollow creek]

Respectfully please no zeraora, the only worse one would be the three genies

[ornate tide]

Tropius is winning the special vote anyway

[silent acorn]

I think that's a good one

[hollow creek]

like its just a default furry

melm though, mlem is awesome

[silent acorn]

It'd be a waste tho

[ornate tide]

Zeraora could make so interesting sprites

[silent acorn]

Like you get tropius as your ribbon with your two new shiny mons

[ornate tide]

That aren’t just furrybait

[silent acorn]

Remember

[hollow creek]

ehhhhhhhh

[silent acorn]

Pick bigger ones

Gonna be honest there is few I consider furry bait

[hollow creek]

is zeraora an ultra beast, im pretty sure not but I keep forgetting

[silent acorn]

And zeaora is the worst one on that

[ornate tide]

Buzzswole

[silent acorn]

It's a weird mythical

[ornate tide]

Or Nihil

[hollow creek]

Its not even that its furry bait, its just not that unique of a body plan, like at least zoroark has the radical ponytail, and lucario has the energy motif

[ornate tide]

I want Nihilego the most out of the ub’s

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mohg-gif-26078528

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My monkey has fire torch gold accents and blue FINGAS

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Either buzzwhole, xurk, or stakataka would be great UBs

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Oh and white fur

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A UB vote would 99% have buzzwhole as a winner it'd be a waste of time

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would it

?

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If we get stakataka voted in this early to if we may be cooked

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Zerao... I dunno even to me who liked humanoid mons is like meh

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I wouldnt consider infernape furrybait

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Nape is not furrybait

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Falls into semi humanoid ish

I just love mah monkey

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breh it's an ape ofc it's humanoid

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Semi humanoid ish can be put onto Incineroar

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Then what is Lucario, Zoroark and zerao?

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Only actual furry pokemon are lucario and zeraora, maybe incineroar and scorbunny's evolution, but those feel stylized enough to not be too blatant

zoroark is just cool

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Nape is literally just a monkey

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I do like zoroark

It's the opposite of what Lucario is

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Zoroark is cool but it’s still taken as furry bait

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It is

But arguably it's a neat mon

Same as Lucario

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Tomorrow is the day

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I guess I can see it

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Lucario and Zoroark are well liked

But furrys really like them

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Eh

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I hate lucario

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Furrys love anything with fur really

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I just find it very ugly

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Lucario is extremely well liked

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Unaware

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its my hottest pokemon take

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I think Lucario is the most popular gen 4 pokemon

I Like Infernape better tho

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In like fusion? Feels like a mash of Machoke, Gurdurr and Gyarados

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Infernape is the best gen 4 fighting type

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Infernape kicks ass

Very passionate fighter

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:v its timburr. there is no gyarados

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If anything Terminal did infernape dirty

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Chimchar was also one of my first starters

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Oh, Timbur Machoke?

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Mine too

It's why I love it

Very first one

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terminal needs to do a "something about pokemon infinite fusion" video IMMEDIATELY

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Took one solo as a kid all the way to league until cynthia whoop my ass

Then I got garchomp

Back when Giratina was the most edge pokemon possible

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there will only be NTM sprite

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My first starter was bulbasaur when I played one of my olders siblings copy of fire red

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Used charizard

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Mine was tepig

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As any normo does

My first water starter was Mudkip

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Bulbasaur was my goat

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My first grass was treecko

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I tend to choose Water and Grass starters till Chimchar

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I used all 3 in hoen they are that good

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My dream is that he does a video about modern mode and my genesect/trevenant shows up mid video

(its in the lavender tower)

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On Emerald I used mudkip but in oras I used treecko

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Unova Samurott was my main

Although arguably Serperior is the best one of the 3

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All unova starters are goated tbh

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Black and white I used Snivy all the way

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So are kalos starters

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It’s not ingame really

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I wouldn't say so

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Hot take

Extremely hot take

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Samurott was kinda underwhelming at a certain point

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If we say the kalos starters are like Chespin Braixen and Greninja

Then sure

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Heh

I know where this is going

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All the final evos besides greninja in kalos I dislike

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I forget the chespin evolution's name but its goated

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Lol i knew it

Honestly Delphox should have been more styled like Meowscarada was

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Greninja deserves to be overated

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As it is its a pretty strange one

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Delphox is also really nice

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I don’t really like kalos starters in general ngl

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And overhated

I like Delphox well enough