pif-hoenn-discussion

[velvet root]

I wonder
Did you ever check the Goats that exist already?

[median pivot]

I put a three on Poochyena.

[white meadow]

What are the goats

Was Gogoat the first?

[deft obsidian]

Metal texture scares me

[silent acorn]

There Is none

Only two sheep

[white meadow]

So Dubwool

[velvet root]

Just a small amount of Goats and Goatcept art

[silent acorn]

Can't even have dubwool

[white meadow]

Oh

[velvet root]

But we have whole sheets too
#1213539303876206643 message

[ornate tide]

Sacrificing Sheep is better than sacrificing goats

Mareep gg

[white meadow]

You're talking about the stuff that has been made

[ornate tide]

Mareep cult

[half needle]

i'd sacrifice both for minior

[white meadow]

I thought you were actually making an argument for why goats are relevant to the Pokémon franchise

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/cotl-goat-cult-of-the-lamb-unholy-alliance-gif-10428479462573490691

[ornate tide]

How would minior work with all its colors tho

[white meadow]

Have you seen the slurpuff

[half needle]

the artist picks their favourite obviously

[white meadow]

For some reason people aren't making Torkoal heads because the spriters who like it prefer bodies

But the smoke sfx is definitely there

[molten latch]

Skitter is cute TBH.

[velvet root]

If you say a Goat is irrelevant than all mons are
But Goats have quiet some real life skills and theyr best is climbing
They can Climb trees, on rope or even fing walls

[white meadow]

Huh

[half needle]

it literally would just be like unown i dont know how people are questioning it

[white meadow]

Charizard isn't irrelevent

[velvet root]

I mean why need a Flying Lizard

[white meadow]

Like dragons cute creatures and big badass ones arent irrelevent

[molten latch]

Charizard didnt do wrong

[ornate tide]

Charizard isn’t a real dragon ong

[white meadow]

A species that took until gen 6 to get added sort of is

[molten latch]

Its just that Game Freak wants to Miltank it.

[stuck bane]

Charizard was fine until Gen 8, then it was just trying too hard

[molten latch]

Drain all the fame to the not-so-dragon

[ornate tide]

How does one miltank a charizard Don’t answer this question

[white meadow]

A cow pokemon got added three gens before a goat

Miltank did

Freaking Miltank bro

[silent acorn]

Watch ZA have a regional Charizard

[velvet root]

So Blastoise, Hippowdon, Meganium, Houndoom, Luxray or Ho-Oh are irrelevant
Good

[molten latch]

Money

[ornate tide]

Miltank is a goat

[stuck bane]

Isn’t that 4?

[white meadow]

Three to six

[molten latch]

Krabby once said

[boreal crypt]

are the future starters not coming to the game

[stuck bane]

Unless there’s a Gen 5 goat I’m forgetting

[stuck bane]

Miltank is johto, Gen 2

[velvet root]

As a example

[white meadow]

Oh shi fr

[stuck bane]

Eventually ™

[velvet root]

And?
Dolphins are no brainer too and we just got our first one

[molten latch]

Its an expression

[ornate tide]

Whimsicott kinda gives goat

[unkempt kernel]

They will be but they won the majority of alst years vote so they got excluded

[stuck bane]

Ye, Whitney

[deft obsidian]

The goat of gen 5 is N
N goated

[ornate tide]

Whimsicott is somehow a goat a sheep and a piece of cotton all at the same time

[white meadow]

So for your previous reply I wasnt giving an exhaustive list of all the cool concepts that people love in pokemon mr cipher

[boreal crypt]

I must wait longer for my grass snke

[white meadow]

And dolphins clearly werent a no brainer

[ornate tide]

Erperior

[velvet root]

True everything after gen 6 isnt needed
Samurai isopod in the trash, Magical fennec fox in the trash, Singer Crocodile in the trash or a Fighter jet Diplocaulus in the trash

[ornate tide]

The devs should unironically just add in Incineroar then not add in any other starters for a year

[white meadow]

Penguins, seels, whales, polar bears, fish, big fish, squid no brainers

[ornate tide]

[white meadow]

Im not saying new mons are bad

By no means

Im saying your argument for goats is bad

[velvet root]

Dolphins are
They are the most famous and loved aquatic creatures

[white meadow]

Because if the people really wanted goats

[ornate tide]

Live Chi Yu reaction

[white meadow]

They would have brought them sooner

[boreal crypt]

The devs should add every starter but incineroar

[ornate tide]

But that’s less funny

It would be even funnier if they only added Emboar

[white meadow]

And they had to give it hearts and combine it with a superhero to make it fit the style of the game

[velvet root]

Ooooh so people wanted purple toxic waste but no Hydra for example since the toxic waste came first

[white meadow]

Thats not my argument

Im not saying first is better

[velvet root]

You said "if the people really wanted Goats ... they would have brought them sooner"

[white meadow]

Im saying it took 650 pokemon to get to goats

And theyll always have more ideas for dragon pokemon

[velvet root]

And?
They cant add idk how many mons in the game at once

• They decide on mons if they fit a region or not

[hollow creek]

What is this argument supposed to be about

[white meadow]

Whether gogoat is a strong pick

[velvet root]

France is really well known fro theyr Goat cheese and Choppers for example making it a really good place for Gogoat

[white meadow]

Based on the need for goats and cult pokemon

[hollow creek]

its pretty good

[white meadow]

I agree

For the grass texture it is nice

[ornate tide]

Did the concept art contest already happen

[velvet root]

I think today is the last day

[hollow creek]

I always thought gogoat was in that region just because they came up with that idea at the time

[ornate tide]

Because speed spriter is happening today

[white meadow]

They didnt wait until they had an Egypt game to introduce Cofagrigus

[velvet root]

99% of the Pokemon have a reason why they are where they are

[hollow creek]

It took me so long to realize garbodor was in unova because it was trash and there's trash in the city

[white meadow]

Or an arctic game for arctic mons

[velvet root]

It has a reason too
I remember I saw something about it

[white meadow]

Regions was always a pretty big deal for legendaries

[deft obsidian]

That 01% is simisear?

[white meadow]

But that feels like more of a new justification for pulling mons out of their butt

[wet snow]

who wanna soul link fusions

[velvet root]

I recommend https://youtube.com/@gnoggin?si=cdarBG18auIxmBSK to you
He explains some mons and why they fit in theyr region

[velvet root]

I could
But im not a big talker qwq

[ornate tide]

Zekrom and Reshiram how to explain them when unova is based off of New York city ong

[wet snow]

lez go bro

[velvet root]

Some gen 1+2 mons

[hollow creek]

this guys goated but I havent seen too too much of his vids

[velvet root]

I go to eat tho

[molten latch]

I have, alot.

[velvet root]

Watch him
He also made me like Lopunny

[ornate tide]

[weak trellis]

this is also why furfrou has not appeared in gens 8 and 9: it is too french for any other european region

[deft obsidian]

[molten latch]

Gnoggin is the one that collaborated with TerminalMontage.

[white meadow]

I never did get an argument for carbink

[ornate tide]

I think Gamefreak just hates the French that’s why they don’t like furfrou

[molten latch]

Idk

For me I kinda found it not bad

[weak trellis]

I mean I can see them hating on the US more than france tbh

[molten latch]

Its a poodle

[weak trellis]

I was more joking, tis a good mon but one of the only ones not in gens 8 or 9

...and the only one of which that isn't an unovian mon (monkies and watchog are the other four)

[ornate tide]

Carbink theoretically has sprite potential but then falls off when we get diance .-. It’s not a bad choice tho

[deft obsidian]

You mean carbink?

[weak trellis]

alolan raticate as well if you count LGO as gen 7 like the company does

[ornate tide]

It can’t be as bad as tropius

For a ingame playthrough carbink is probably top 4 in usefulness

[white meadow]

Top 4 in usefulness is insane

[silent acorn]

Be real tropius isn't exactly a top pick for an adventure

[ornate tide]

Out of these mons it literally is💀

[silent acorn]

It's not easy to use

[weak trellis]

out of the choices my pick is either ribombee or scrafty

[silent acorn]

Tends to die bad to ice one of the easiest groups to take down

[delicate plank]

huge power or anger point?

[silent acorn]

He isn't wrong it is

Not being priority in offense on either thing let's it work as a head or body

[hollow creek]

like for why to add carbink in the game?

[ornate tide]

Defensive fairy with toxic and rocks is better than most of heee mons

[deft obsidian]

So what is top 4 usefulness for play?

[white meadow]

Yeah

[silent acorn]

Out of the special vote?

[white meadow]

Yeah but people dont pick their HOF based on toxic and rocks

[silent acorn]

Or in general

[white meadow]

They pick it based on what looks cool

[silent acorn]

For pve or comp?

[molten latch]

Why does people now get to vote Carbink twice? Is this the same as the Archen line going to the lead back then?

[white meadow]

Bro pulling out comp is crazy

This is PIF

[hollow creek]

It has potential for cool sprites. It has bad stats but it has an incredibly useful niche of being a fairy with very high defense, so you can fuse it to make a very good defensive fusion]

[weak trellis]

I like carbink but saying that something gets toxic is like the aladdin "you idiots we ALL have swords!" bit

[silent acorn]

It's... Literally in THE ANNOUNCEMENT

The competitive tourneys gets a pick

[deft obsidian]

Idk ask carbink

[silent acorn]

Same guy who put carbink twice did both

[ornate tide]

In my opinion probably

1. Crawdaunt
2. Golisopod
3. Carbink
4. Scrafty

I don’t like ribombee over these mons

[silent acorn]

Yeah seems about right

[hollow creek]

Binkeeee

[silent acorn]

Pelipper is kinda nice for weather setting but for everything it isn't the best

In fact some compare it to a toilet

[hollow creek]

Crawdaunt would be awesome for playthroughs, obviously

[white meadow]

Bro what

[molten latch]

Car Car Binks

[silent acorn]

Although the contrary in lurantis is crazy

[white meadow]

Has the entire server been distributed fentanyl

[hollow creek]

Pelliper is nice idk why people dont like it too much

[silent acorn]

With a fire mon fusion, fire grass, overheat would be wicked

[deft obsidian]

Mawile/pelipper = skibidi reference

[silent acorn]

@hexed agate

[ornate tide]

In on POA IF DEX OU

1. Crawdaunt
2. Carbink
3. Golisopod
4. Scrafty

[white meadow]

This is Pokemon Infinite Fusion

[fathom ridge]

?tag rule 3

[opal trail]

No tag rule found.

[hollow creek]

no this is sparta

[molten latch]

THIS IS SPARTA

[weak trellis]

pelipper's types are too common, just use the politoed the hurricane isn't that worth it

[silent acorn]

What's rule for suspicious substances?

[rain locust]

yes i am the fentanyl and carbink propaganda distributor

[hollow creek]

no this is patrick

[fathom ridge]

No idea, 3 is no gore

[hexed agate]

?tag rule4

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 4 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Drugs. Any mention of any drugs, regardless of legality where you live is not acceptable.

[ornate tide]

💀

[white meadow]

I cannot believe the argument for these mons that people have to sprite several hundred of is comp

[rain locust]

Sorry Pory

[white meadow]

Okay

[fathom ridge]

Ah yeah that’s more fitting

[ornate tide]

Bink has insane sprite potential

[white meadow]

Compared to what

[molten latch]

Plus Diancie

[ornate tide]

People just don’t like it enough ;-;

[molten latch]

What to expect

[silent acorn]

?tag rule4

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 4 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Drugs. Any mention of any drugs, regardless of legality where you live is not acceptable.

[silent acorn]

There we go got it right

Everything is valid for new mon discussion

[deft obsidian]

I mean pelipper is good in competitive because typing and move poll.
But in if, move poll and typing dosen't matter.

[hexed agate]

Thank you for being perfect and pious in chat

[rain locust]

thats not true pelipper would be a better politoed

[hexed agate]

Frog...

[silent acorn]

Kinda does to make busted builds

[rain locust]

the thing is i dont like permaweather

[ornate tide]

But we don’t need it

[silent acorn]

Original builds are fun

[ornate tide]

Ban it

[silent acorn]

Even if not fully competitive

[ornate tide]

Literally

[hollow creek]

Pelipper's huge beak would make a nice thing to sprite around

[ornate tide]

I hate permaweather so much

[hexed agate]

Gen 5 sends its kind regards

[white meadow]

No it wouldnt

[silent acorn]

Competitive is the way to exploit to the max each mon

[high haven]

I agree, I would rather take something visually pleasing or unique before looking at domeone who is in gen 7 OU

[rain locust]

Hrm… Perhaps…

[white meadow]

A huge beak

Bro come on

[deft obsidian]

Politoed/ any bird pokemon= pelipper at home

[white meadow]

I take that argument for clawitzer

But for birds

[ornate tide]

Politoed gets fused with like jirachi

[silent acorn]

Blud woke with his bandage suffocating him

[hollow creek]

Clawitzer is a G

[ornate tide]

Because in PIF Jirachi is Jesus

[deft obsidian]

Drizzle u turn

[weak trellis]

born to serene grace, forced to drizzle

[silent acorn]

Choice scarf it

[molten latch]

Has people ever mentioned Lurantis?

[silent acorn]

A bit

Not much because...

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt has no competitive niche but I think it is neat

[silent acorn]

I dunno

[silent acorn]

Badass design

[molten latch]

Indeed

Be do loving some robo bug

Despite not Steel

[ornate tide]

To bad thunderclap can’t be coded in sad

[silent acorn]

I love them bugs past Gen 4

[ornate tide]

Vikavolt with thunderclap expert move would be heat

[high haven]

They turned an insect into a rail gun, what not to love?

[deft obsidian]

High sp,attack
Sticky web

[silent acorn]

Out of Gen 4 I only love Vespiquen and Drapion

Vespiquen and Drapion felt like what bugs turned into in Gen 4, trickster with many tools

[fathom ridge]

Iirc drapion is poison/dark right?

[silent acorn]

Yes

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/gastrodon-pokemon-pokemon-gastrodon-ancient-power-gastrodon-uses-ancient-power-gif-8908129493293051201

[silent acorn]

But evolves from a bug/poison

[hollow creek]

Gastropeak

[white meadow]

No way

[ornate tide]

It gets bug moves in Stabmons so it’s a bug

[white meadow]

Are we saying gastrodon is the move

[ornate tide]

Squoop is a goat

[white meadow]

With all the forms

[hollow creek]

Gastrdon is the move and a half

[white meadow]

Isnt that the argument against castform

[ornate tide]

Squoop just choose the color the artist wants

It would be the same thing with Minior because Minior has 2.5 Billion colors

[high haven]

Cast form has a situational form change while Gastrodon is in the same boat as Jellicent with two non interchangable forms

[silent acorn]

Super Mario star form

[hollow creek]

The argument against castform is that the body fusions have almost 0 potential

[white meadow]

Okay

That makes sense

[hollow creek]

Castform heads would be very fun

[high haven]

That too

[hollow creek]

but its not worth it unfortunately

[ornate tide]

Also how would castforms ability even work with the sprites

[deft obsidian]

I like gastrodon because anti rain, rotom wall

[ornate tide]

With forecast and ish

[silent acorn]

Problem is there is a lot of purism and restrictions for a body that doesn't offer much

[ornate tide]

Squoop is just a squooper

Gastro is so cool tho

[white meadow]

But we already have squishy pokemon

[deft obsidian]

Shellos is soooooo cute

[white meadow]

We got Goodra and Ditto

[ornate tide]

Fire Ground squoopy stonks

[silent acorn]

More squishy mons

More snails

Yes please

[ornate tide]

But Gastro has a type of Squoop that gives more ngl

[white meadow]

True but it would never get taken advantage of that much

There's only so much squish you can convey on a single body

[ornate tide]

Gastro is a Squoop While Goodra is a goop and Ditto is a monstrous being that transcends space and time

[hollow creek]

This is why I like gastrodon in IF so much, sprites by ribbon btw top tier artist

[ornate tide]

W sprite

[fathom ridge]

Double slug

[white meadow]

Its not that squishy though

[high haven]

These look nice, I would be happy with Gastrodon getting in

[ornate tide]

squgoopy

[hollow creek]

I would be happy with a lot of mons getting in

[fathom ridge]

I would be happy with any Mon, if they are a electric/bug from gen 7

[ornate tide]

Oh melm is technically a Gen 7 pokemon

Wallahi

[white meadow]

Tsareena based

[hollow creek]

So basically alomamola

[white meadow]

Relicanth is kind of crazy

[deft obsidian]

Who is melm?

[high haven]

My man! You have a respectable top tier

[fathom ridge]

Liligant > tsareena

[white meadow]

Why

[ornate tide]

True… in a way

[hollow creek]

Relicanth is relibased

[fathom ridge]

Bc I said so

[white meadow]

Minior covers that texture with led lights to boot

[silent acorn]

Yay lilligant!

[high haven]

To add to this
Steenee > Tsareena

[ornate tide]

Real

[silent acorn]

Dude no way!

[fathom ridge]

Definitely cuter

[deft obsidian]

Because when you search lilligant name into internet you won't get into crazy shit like other grass waifus.

[silent acorn]

They are cute

[white meadow]

Thats not an argument against it

[ornate tide]

Bounsweet>>>>>>>>>>Tsareena

[silent acorn]

She is elegance incarnate

Nothing can go wrong with Lilli

[white meadow]

You dont get that because Lilligant's design is frumpy

[ornate tide]

Bounsweet looks so plushieable

[fathom ridge]

Arboliva is also relatively pure but it is from gen 9 so

[high haven]

Tsareena feels too much like a bitch when you look at Bounsweet and Steenee who are great big cinnamon rolls

[ornate tide]

Tsareena is just like a girlboss ngl

[white meadow]

Thats the point of it

[ornate tide]

That’s not needed in pokemon tho

In my opinion

[white meadow]

Why not

[silent acorn]

I dont think it counts as flower lady only

[white meadow]

Gardevoir is one of the most played pokemon in game

[fathom ridge]

I kinda wish it stayed cute ngl

[ornate tide]

I don’t want to be attacked by a girlboss humanoid pokemon

[white meadow]

Mf live and die bu the waifu mon

[high haven]

We already have a girl boss in gen 7

In Salazzle

[ornate tide]

Gen 7 is the girlboss gen

[white meadow]

I dont get it bro

So you guys like scrafty

[silent acorn]

Dude is not cool enough

[ornate tide]

Bounsweet my goat tho

[ornate tide]

Thug

[white meadow]

Dont have a problem with machamp

Or Conkeldor I imagine

But girl humanoids

Thats where we draw the line

[fathom ridge]

Gen 7 was a banger ngl

[high haven]

I like Conkeldurr

[silent acorn]

Conkeldurr...

[fathom ridge]

Well I do have problems with incineroar

[high haven]

Legit one of my favorites

[weak trellis]

conk: the clown (positive)

[white meadow]

Incineroar is fair

Its very ugly

[ornate tide]

Idc that much I draw the line mainly at Tsareena

[white meadow]

Why

What about gothitelle

[weak trellis]

an option for strongman fusions that aren't machop's line

[silent acorn]

Marshmallow

[weak trellis]

||learns rock tomb||

[ornate tide]

Tsareena is just to much in my opinion idk why it’s just the vibe

[silent acorn]

Shallow

[fathom ridge]

Gothitelle is kinda just edgy gardevoir

[white meadow]

Thats pretty true

[ornate tide]

Most of the feminine pokemon I don’t care that much really

[white meadow]

But goth is a really cool style to work with

[silent acorn]

It's gardevoir with weight

[weak trellis]

really tho: nice aesthetics/body but it's a common type

[silent acorn]

Those little legs aren't from abs you know

[ember bear]

kinda ironic considering how many cylinders that thing is composed of

[high haven]

Sorry but this is funny out of context

[ornate tide]

Can someone make a Conkeldurr Carbink fusion based off Crazy diamond for Jojos that would go hard

[white meadow]

Which one

[weak trellis]

goth

[silent acorn]

This is the best statement

[ornate tide]

Machamap fusions are kinda funny

[white meadow]

I def prefet tsareena to gothitelle

[high haven]

Man I sure do love the DB fight between Goro and Machamap

[weak trellis]

Tsareena does have that trop kick tho

[white meadow]

Probably gothitelle to lilligant just because the goth asthetic would prob be better for art

[ornate tide]

Oh for sprites that’s makes since

[white meadow]

I really only care about the sprites

[ornate tide]

I think Tsareena would probably make better sprites than Gothitelle

[fathom ridge]

And machoke fusions can’t evolve bc someone (not to mention) makes very cool machoke fusions without machamps

[white meadow]

Personally I'll switch the name of an image if the stats got me done dirty

[high haven]

Same

[ornate tide]

The machamp ones look hilarious

[white meadow]

I wish there were more standout male humanoid sprites

[rain locust]

yeah look at this one

@ornate tide

[white meadow]

Honestly not many Machamp sprites come to mind

And Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee feel super underdone with cool poses

[high haven]

My favorite honestly is the Machamp double fusion that looks like a Greek god of a thousand heads and a thousand arms

[fathom ridge]

We need more bisharp sprites

My fav Mon

[white meadow]

Escavalier/bisharp would go crazy

[outer matrix]

The knight chess piece...finally

[fathom ridge]

Look up bisharp/cradily

Also fun fact the chess theme in bisharp is just from the English translation

[high haven]

Aegislash/Seviper would work well I think

[white meadow]

Not really big on seviper

Its niche feels covered

[high haven]

How so?

[white meadow]

Arbok

Scolipede

Poison + snakes

Muk even

[rain locust]

bro wants 0 mons

[fathom ridge]

How is seviper outclassed by muk?!?

[stuck bane]

Like, maybe aegislash seviper could have the Aegi armor colors everyone loves, and maybe the two fangs as swords, but what do you do with the shield? Slap it on the tail?

[white meadow]

No Im saying poison snakes can already be done

[high haven]

Disagree, mostly because Muk and Seviper only have the monotype of poison in common

[silent acorn]

Did... Did you say scolipede is a snake?

[fathom ridge]

Well yeah but I think it has a very different look and feeling

Also what are the mons you REALLY want

[high haven]

Okay but that hasn't stopped people from adding birds.

[gray aspen]

does anyone know how i can do a ranomizer?

[white meadow]

Slurpuff, Torkoal, Tsareena, Diancie, Escavalier, Minior, Castform, Gogoat was my previous list

Im rethinking castform

[stuck bane]

Tbf, beyond any that came with Gen 1 or 2, I don’t think a ton of “regular” birds have been added

[white meadow]

I agree birds arent great

[fathom ridge]

#tech-support also is talking to the guy in a suit in Pokémon centers

[high haven]

Also Seviper brings multiple things to the table that Arbok doesn't and vice versa

[rain locust]

oh yeah well tsareena is outclassed by roserade bc both are grass humanoids

[white meadow]

Roserade has super short limbs

And rose hands

Hard to work with creatively while keeping readability

Unless you just really like the idea of a short haired humanoid holding something in both hands

[fathom ridge]

Tsareena is outclassed by liligant

[white meadow]

The dress is weirdly shaped

Very puffy

[stuck bane]

I’d love to believe it, but nah, Tsareena at least has trop kick and dazzling on grass types

[white meadow]

I like the hat stuff

But the dress feels worse to work witj

[fathom ridge]

It was just a joke tbh but now that I think about it you could use the hisuian forme

[high haven]

Last thing I'll say about this, outside of being Monotype poison snakes, Arbok and Seviper have vastly different esthetics that will lead to vastly different fusions

[white meadow]

Yeah its true

Not that different

Do like a darkrai arbok

[fathom ridge]

I like it bc is basically a ball and ball are simple for my brain to sprite

[white meadow]

Or maybe bisharp arbok

I just feel like cunning dark snake doesnt inspire that much

[high haven]

Agree to disagree

[white meadow]

I don't hate it, I just dont think realistically you would get a lot of inspired sprites for it

Especially when poison sfx has already been given a try through Scolipede

[high haven]

With the current sprites we have to work with? I agree
But you can definitely do some cool stuff with Seviper.

[ornate tide]

💀

[rain locust]

dont look at the msg below it

[ornate tide]

I already saw it 💀

[rain locust]

errrm

[cobalt river]

‘oh hey thats my sprite what are people talking abou-‘ I See.

[hollow creek]

I was saying they were goated

[cobalt river]

haha tysm! its appreciated

[feral bear]

Ahem

Tsareena is clearing all the other grass girls sorry yall!!!

Its just the way god intended it, i dont make the rules!!

[fathom ridge]

false, liligant is better (source: idk)

[feral bear]

Lilligant is locked in tsareenas basement

[outer matrix]

Convince me with a possible tsareena fusion to prove why

[feral bear]

My sister ribbon and I have made some bangers

[cobalt river]

i have no skin in this game but i will take my chance to share mine at least. though the second ones obviously not meant for IF

i should translate that second one over to if format someday actually but uhh. someday. not anytime soon wkjshdfs

[fathom ridge]

i also prefer arboliva bc is the evolution of my boy

[feral bear]

Cant forget this queen either!!!

[white meadow]

Ribbon you need to take a side

[cobalt river]

i prefer lurantis though i do really like the tsareena line as well- though ironically steenee is actually my fav one of the line its so cute. look at my little daughter go

[fathom ridge]

that one is super cool ill give you that

[cobalt river]

YESS!

[white meadow]

My main argument for Escavalier

[fathom ridge]

lurantis is fake grass so it doesnt count

[cobalt river]

lurantis is fake bug all grass >:]

[unkempt kernel]

Actually its grass pretending to be a bug

[feral bear]

I dont hate lilligant tbf, i just think that tsareena has a more pleasant silhouette to work with and i like her legs as like a feature. Lilligant is kinda bulky to me if that makes sense?

[fathom ridge]

godamit i got it the wrong way around

[feral bear]

Lurantis is SSS tier

[fathom ridge]

i prefer liligant bc is cuter

[white meadow]

Clunky dress

And short

[unkempt kernel]

Well not really cus its based on an orchid mantis, which is a bug pretending to be a plant

[outer matrix]

is tsareena also wearing a dress or?

[cobalt river]

i dont actually really like lilligant either 😔 its cute, but ive never particularly liked it
i do really like hisuian lilligant for fusion potential though . the short hair is always nice and having full limbs means easier to do poses with as well

[fathom ridge]

yeah but i actually knew that and just did a brain fart xd

[unkempt kernel]

Also if deerling got in, we'd get a Shikonoko ref i bet

[fathom ridge]

honestly liligant is the only feminine mon i want

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/tsareena-gif-6425705635092301377

[cobalt river]

thats fair! i know a lot of people do really love lilligant its just not a personal fav

[white meadow]

Hisuian lilligant is pretty good

But Tsareena is just a better version of that

And Lurantis has really nice colors

[unkempt kernel]

Anyways, squirrel

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[outer matrix]

If only regionals could be added in

[cobalt river]

tsareenas weird skirt and boots are a bit of a pain to pixel but they do look stylish so it gets a win

yeah no regionals hurts

[fathom ridge]

i actually dont really like hisuian liligant but the thing i dont really know why

[spiral musk]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-every-second-youre-not-running-im-only-getting-closer-pokemon-go-gif-26530166

[white meadow]

Lurantis feels like it has a lot going on

Lots of big design elements you would have to include

Like arms take up a lot of space

[cobalt river]

i dont like hisuian lilligants model (the leotard looks very daiperish and the feet are clunky) BUT for fusions its fun
lurantis is def busy but that means more to work with and its at least not as cluttered as certain others

[white meadow]

And the head shape is very distinct

[spiral musk]

it has ✨pants✨

[white meadow]

Yeah with striped pants

[feral bear]

Me running away from my responsibilities

[white meadow]

It just feels like people couldnt get that creative with it as a body without losing readability

[fathom ridge]

i always imagine lurantis as the partner of scyther

[cobalt river]

wow those first two do not look great anymore . ah well ill get back to it someday at least the ho-oh is still recent and thus nice

[white meadow]

The hooh is really nice

[high haven]

Ooh I wish we had up to gen 8 so we can have Sinistea

[fathom ridge]

what do you mean "not great" the ribombee one is so CUTE

[cobalt river]

sinistea would be so fun alas

hahaha thank you!I can spot too many mistakes in both of them, the curse of looking at old art

old . its not that old but anything older then a few months is old to me

[fathom ridge]

is trapped with gen 8+ mons, with smoliv and kingambit

[white meadow]

Ribombee I think sort of shows what I mean being locked into a complex design

Like you're talented enough to not make it look like a recolor

But it seems like it would be really tough to pull off in general

When the head mon has necessary features that clash with the big arms or pants or head things

Because you cant really take them away

[cobalt river]

tbh the ribombee i wasnt happy with even when i made it i made it in a rush of non-if mons and about half of them perished because of that
body wise it is harder to work with for beginners though, ill admit that but when the other 'big popular ones' are golispod and kommo-o which are . even worse. lurantis takes it for me haha

[white meadow]

I definitely am not a fan of kommo o

Escavalier over that any day

[cobalt river]

that being said i do also just love a pink palette, and it has plenty of pinks for me to work with
kommo-o would be a fun head to do if im sketching, but its notttt one i wanna sprite orz
escavalier would be a delight though, agree

[white meadow]

I think I see what you're saying with golisopod

And I def agree with the pink palette, it's really nice

I just can't imagine a charizard/golisopod

Where the head shape is so distinct but you're trying to blend it in with a big shield shaped bug head thing

[faint kiln]

I think it could be fun to do, I might try it out after I'm done goating all over the place

I really like golisopod, very cool dude

[cobalt river]

whatever non if mon gets in ill have to do a diancie head for eventually and that has admittedly made me biased because golispod bodies look like a nightmare to do a custom for. so many tiny parts overlapping and cluttering up the canvas

[white meadow]

When I saw all the Carbink stuff I honestly hoped that they wouldn't add it and end up doing a bundle deal with Diancie because I wanted the Diancie sprites to be kept all to yourself for a little while more

[mystic crystal]

At least adding Carbink means Diancie becomes more likely either that or all the diancie sprites just get a quick recolour

[cobalt river]

ahh haha hey im honored! I would really love carbink though, its cute im not particularly expecting diancie soon anyhow if at all- at the end of the day i imagine the starters are higher priority, and out of the legend/mythicals its just... not the most popular one there, and i know frog doesnt like adding them because they take a lot of work. so if carbink can float around in game at least id be more then happy

[white meadow]

Im not a fan of how similar they are

And I highly prefer the pink colors

If that was the only way for it to get added so be it

[faint kiln]

I like Carbink because it's limbless Diancie, more creative bodies and floaty parts

[cobalt river]

i would NOT give my poor babie boy only recolors </3 carbink would get its own proper sprites. while diancie has the princess theming carbink has that cute fluffy coat thing , itd be fun to turn into little capes and ponchos

[white meadow]

Carbink bodies do not seem like fun compared to Diancie

Though I do like the ideas with clothing

[outer matrix]

slurpuff/carbink for a floating muffin

[faint kiln]

maaaan

if gogoat doesn't get in the game I'm doing goat gems

diancie and carbink are both super sick

I do also wish they came as a package though

[white meadow]

Doesnt scrafty cover that texture though

Now that I think of it

[mystic crystal]

I love gem textures so i'm biased either would be super swell

[white meadow]

As a head mon he can do all of the clothing

[mystic crystal]

though my hearts still rooting for slurpuff

[white meadow]

Def agree Slurpuff is best pick rn

[hot hamlet]

Slurpuff/Carbunk=floating cupcake
Slurpuff/Scrafty=Muffin in wrapper

[stuck bane]

Baggy pants, Mohawks, hoods, scrafty has a lot going for it

[white meadow]

Slurpuff, Scrafty, Lurantis, and between Golisopod and Carbink in that order

If ribbon sprites it I'll like it and it would make Diance super likely

[hollow creek]

If tsareena gets it I wanna fuse it with meloetta P and make the disco zombie from pvz

[faint kiln]

that's a sick idea!

[white meadow]

Tsareena would be great for references

Cover a lot of the bases gardevoir doesn't

But the boots, crown, and hair are just cool overall

[stuck bane]

My bias list: lurantis, ribombee, scrafty, Slurpuff, goliso, Carbink, tropius, Pelipper, Crawdaunt

What I think the winner order will be, probably: goliso, lurantis, tropius, Slurpuff, Carbink, Crawdaunt, ribombee, scrafty, Pelipper

[white meadow]

Slurpuff that low is criminal

[stuck bane]

Top 4/9 in both lists isn’t bad, it just has tough competition

[white meadow]

Nope

[faint kiln]

Slurpuff is like

one of the most popular picks right now I believe

[cobalt river]

also very quick sketch obviously but just for the idea. carbink n diancie compliment eachother but they dont overlap head material wise any more then a normal evo line (which , lore wise, they are so it counts)
shy rock bunny aesthetics for carbink, more princessy open gem aeshetics for diancie

[white meadow]

Look up slurpuff in spritwork and scroll through media

Ribbon't are great

[cobalt river]

lurantis ribombee carbink and slurpuff are my personal bias to no ones surprise

[white meadow]

And so are red haerings

Also bea and captain slimebeard

[cobalt river]

quote.lass has some really good ones too

[stuck bane]

Yeah, slurpuff is great, I agree, automatic 3, but I think it loses to goliso lurantis and tropius because those all appeared on the spriter vote

[white meadow]

Yeah more talent then im mentioning

[faint kiln]

my one worry about the vote is I dunno how google forms works--

[white meadow]

It does not lose to tropius

[faint kiln]

like if someone makes multiple accounts couldn't the vote just be rigged?

hopefully no one is lame enough to do that

[stuck bane]

Which one? They should both work like last time

[stuck bane]

Eh, I guess, but doesn’t Google have a limit on how many accounts you can make or?

[cobalt river]

im shocked to see the ludicolo line that high up on spriter vote, didnt know people liked it that much

[fathom ridge]

I hope there’s some protection bc lame people is everywhere

[stuck bane]

The spriter vote is literally under your message, spriters voted that not me

[faint kiln]

coconut duck!

there's so much you can do with the funny dancing kappa

[cobalt river]

i have no beef w ludicolo im just shocked it won over stuff like minior which i feel like ive seen a ton of stuff for haha
silent majority always wins in the end i suppose!

[stuck cave]

I wouldn't mind Ludicolo/Shiftry lines because they vary wildly at each stage

[faint kiln]

that's true, they've got a lotta personality variety going on that would make them fun to sprite

as long as a grass type gets in I am happy

[white meadow]

When is this from?

Lycanroc was announced in November

Slurpuff propaganda didn't kick off in earnest until this year

[cobalt river]

true, id be interested in seeing how spriter vote would look like now a lot of non if sprites started being made only after the new mons were addded

[opaque ether]

Poochyena says hello

[white meadow]

Pls if bring the good boy in

https://tenor.com/view/choose-your-starter-pokemon-pokemon-black-and-white-pokemon-snivy-pokemon-tepig-pokemon-oshawott-gif-23785592

AND THESE THREE GOOD BOIS AS WELL

[spare dagger]

Sorry, No starters allowed man

[white meadow]

[stuck bane]

Yes, this is the vote spriters had to pick a Mon, this is the one where rockruff won, and frog revealed the additional 10 lagging behind it

[white meadow]

So when was the vote done

[stuck bane]

I highly highly doubt public opinion has changed enough to get Slurpuff above 9 other mons it was below

[stuck bane]

November

In fact, slurpuff was already popular, it made the raffle too

[stuck bane]

Slurpuff propaganda isn’t a recent thing, it’s been going strong for a while

[white meadow]

In terms of sprites being made for it

It was overwhelmingly this year

[stuck bane]

Well that’s literally all the mons idk what your argument is, more time passes obviously more sprites will be made in preparation for propaganda

[white meadow]

Thats the thing

Not many of those other mons have been getting sprites

A lot of those ideas have died down quite a bit

Spheal for example gets talked about much less it seems like

Same with Ludicolo, maybe since addition of Cacturne

[fathom ridge]

Imagine the timelines where the raffle went differently

[white meadow]

Tropius, Crustle, Zangoose, Seviper, Electross

[hollow creek]

I wouldve really liked to see how xurkitree getting in would work out

I wanna see what people wouldve done for body fusions

[stuck bane]

So we’re just assuming that slurpuff must be more popular than everything else because of what you’re witnessing, whatever that purple Chevrolet bias thing is

[fathom ridge]

Christmas tree alien is cool af

[sharp sphinx]

wait so the person who wins twice gets to vote twice int eh selection poll?

cause if so thats a pretty much guranteed win if people heavily prioritize their own

[hollow creek]

Having 173 special attack, beast boost, AND TAIL GLOW would be instantly banned in competitive but would be fun to experiment ingame

[fathom ridge]

I think the second vote is in the same format as the general vote

[stuck bane]

It’s a weird scenario, but yes, technically ana gets two votes, and 2 automatic 3s to carbink. Idk if it’s a guaranteed win because goliso is stacked rn

[white meadow]

Archeops still a little, Lunatone and Solrock still a good amount, minior for sure, Torkoal less then it used to have,

[fathom ridge]

So a list and they rate the options

[sharp sphinx]

yeah but they prob wanna see carbink win

[fathom ridge]

Welp

[stuck bane]

Yeah, and that’s like 6 points out of a 36 max, it’s a slight boost but still has to get lucky against lurantis and goliso

[faint kiln]

I mean not necessarily, a lot of people voting for their favorite in the 1st vote won't have their favorite in the 2nd

[fathom ridge]

Carbink has boosted odds from that ngl

[white meadow]

Torkoal, Solrock/Lunatone, Slurpuff, Chimecho to some extent, Archeops, Lurantis, Golisopod, Minior, and maybe Spheal line just for Spheal seem to be more of the major holdouts

[sharp sphinx]

carbink seems like such a lame additiong vs like gigalith ntm diancie exists

[stuck bane]

I frankly am happy it’s not a goliso sweep, these things are supposed to be chaotic and I don’t want an easy victory for any of them

[unkempt kernel]

Ye but diancie is a mythical so it’s not in the vote

[fathom ridge]

Tbf it has a lot of potential for heads

[sharp sphinx]

yeah but it doesnt mean its not likely eventually

[wanton grove]

I don't think carbink has boosted odds, you can't vote for your own so it went from 12 options to 11

Whoever carbink votes for has boosted odds

[sharp sphinx]

oh you can't?

[stuck bane]

Guy who picked it would’ve picked diancie, but no myth, it also has great Wall stats for competitive on a fairy type body, and a few sprites have been made for it so far

[fathom ridge]

Are u sure?

[hollow creek]

I still still think slurpuff has a pretty good chance of winning the second vote

[fathom ridge]

I hope someone puts vikavolt in the second vote bc I don’t have the best odds of winning anything

[terse fable]

Not first? I think it has okay chances for that too

[stuck bane]

This is a unique case because double winner, lemme explain

Ana won 2 tourneys. Let’s call them Ana and Conja and Carbink 1 and Carbink 2

Ana can’t vote for carbink 1, but can vote for Carbink 2

Conja can’t vote for Carbink 2, but can vote for Carbink 1

It’s a strange system I admit, but the alternative was not giving him extra votes and putting him at a disadvantage since Carbink could only get 11x3 max votes instead of 12x3 like everyone else

So they kept it as is, and he can vote for himself in this extremely unique double winner scenario

[hollow creek]

[terse fable]

brain melted from that explanation

[fathom ridge]

I think the vote for winners is like the general one where they rate all of the candidates

[wanton grove]

Have they said he can vote for himself there? I'm not following the chats too closely but I remember frog saying this

[hollow creek]

I got it i just find that weird

[terse fable]

i think i get itt

more or less :p

[wanton grove]

Easiest solution is just not allow a vote for your own so thatd be an interesting choice

[hollow creek]

yeah

[fathom ridge]

Ok then i might be making it up but I swear I heard they somewhere

[stuck bane]

This was before ana won 2 tourneys last night, the rules have changed @wanton grove see here

Also it’s written in announcements he gets a second set of votes

[hollow creek]

I wonder if the second vote happens later tomorrow cause frog that'd come first, or their both on the 29th

[stuck bane]

Ok listen we have a paradox

[wanton grove]

Thats just him saying he can tho like did someone tell him that 😭

Announcement just says he gets a second vote

[hollow creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa-M96hTFz8&t=70s
This convo is reminding me of this video

[wanton grove]

The first vote you can't vote for your own, I imagine the second would be the same

[stuck bane]

Conflicting statements, we don’t know what’s going on

[hollow creek]

im gonna take frog's word first cause hes the big dog

[fathom ridge]

I love the frog citations

[stuck bane]

This was last night after he talked with staff to decide what should be done. He could’ve picked another Mon like your message says, but they agreed he could have double votes if he wasn’t allowed to choose a second option, and since mods were around for the reveal, they would’ve quickly nipped it in the bud if he couldn’t

[hollow creek]

what're we at now?

[stuck bane]

Close, 700ish

[wanton grove]

Right but that doesn't mean he can vote for it

[fathom ridge]

499.387

[hollow creek]

Ok so It'll be 500k by later tomorrow

[hazy fable]

???

[hollow creek]

my guess

im guessing

[hazy fable]

ah 499k members

[stuck bane]

It does though… how are we not on the same page, we have no reason to believe he can’t since nobody has denied his statement after it being talked about in this channel multiple times

[silent acorn]

O FOC

CARBINK AGAIN

[hollow creek]

You could make 500k if you got 700 members to join yourself i suppose

Binkeeeeeee

https://tenor.com/view/dogggy-gif-949067565746269921

[hazy fable]

I thought this was a fusion code, and I got confused since we dont have a pokemon with dex number 499

[wanton grove]

I can see that argument

[silent acorn]

Part of why I use commas for quantities instead of periods

[wanton grove]

But that doesn't mean it's confirmed, just it hasn't been deconfirmed

[stuck bane]

Half empty half full tomato tomato

[twin phoenix]

Only ~150 joined since I went to sleep. 😦

[hollow creek]

carbinky

[hollow creek]

America?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[fathom ridge]

Well speed spriters is in 5 minutes so we have an option to add another Pokémon

[silent acorn]

Seems unlikely the winners would be the same on both

[silent acorn]

What is this one about?

Do a sprite in 5 hours?

[fathom ridge]

You make a sprite in 24h

[stuck bane]

Oooo, gl to anyone participating

[silent acorn]

Oh that's... More generous

Too easy

Make it 5!

[fathom ridge]

Also when are the results from the elusive Pokédex event coming

[stuck bane]

I think it’s more to make timezones fair

[silent acorn]

I awake

[fathom ridge]

Imagine living in a time zone where you are sleeping at those hours

[silent acorn]

Sacrifices must be made for the glory of Arkoos!

[fathom ridge]

Is it worth it to sleep today when I could be sprinting

[silent acorn]

Nope

Gotta make a mona lisa to even The playing field

[twin phoenix]

I think there is a selection of what to sprite based on autogens.

[fathom ridge]

Sacrifices for vikavolt my beloved

[silent acorn]

Oh what is it?

[twin phoenix]

Idk yet.

[silent acorn]

Could be fun

Come back and share with us

Could make something interesting

[twin phoenix]

Ope, it's about to start.

[silent acorn]

Might be fun since the other channels will probably be full and chaotic

[twin phoenix]

There it goes. Have fun.

[silent acorn]

So from what I understand

There is a drive with the autogens and people pick from each

If and non if

This is gonna be Interesting

[terse fable]

for what

Elusive pokedex

[silent acorn]

No speed spriter

Seems fun

You get a base from the autogens

[terse fable]

oohhhh sickkk

[hazy fable]

imma wait for concept sprite

imma try joining

[white meadow]

Upon reconsideration, Castform bodies could be cool

As long as it wasn't like one had to be made for each form

[stuck bane]

The biggest argument is that the 4 forms are different typings, so they’d have to be counted as slots similar to oricorio.

But the 2 main things stopping it are weather apparently doesn’t work in game right now, and potential rule 2 violations

[twin phoenix]

It's rather compact, so it leaves a lot of room for effects to compensate.

[white meadow]

Lol

I hadn't thought about rule 2 for regular Castform

I think mods are pretty good about managing it though so I pray something like that wouldn't hurt its chances

Also that weather gets fixed

[hardy tartan]

Maybe this is me being a lesbian, but my mind wouldn’t have gone to “rule 2 violation” for castform if other people weren’t harping on the possibility 🤷

[twin phoenix]

Actually, I'm quite wrong again.. Wobba's are put to the side and Castform has them forward.

[hazy fable]

if castform were to win, that means frog will have to fix the weather abilities

[prime dust]

yes

well maybe, since castform is a weird entity

[molten latch]

2 D A Y S. . .

[hardy tartan]

(apologies if i got the wrong reference image. i didn't even know this was from Zelda until recently. i thought it was Neon Genesis Evangelion 🤷 )

[molten latch]

But it works too

Because it's thr counting of the end.

Anyways off topic aside. Have we talked about Solrock and Lunatone?

I think we did back?

[hardy tartan]

think some people have a while back

here's what i commented for them lol #pif-hoenn-discussion message

not a lot, heh. probably because we currently have clefable and cresselia for moon and sunflora for sun 🤔

[hot hamlet]

I feel like all the Lunatone options were taken by Cresselia and Umbreon already

Solrock may have some

[rancid nymph]

I want them in the game so we can be one step closer to having every Elite 4 and Gym leader ace in the game

[bitter comet]

Damn two more days till it’s decided

Time really flies by fast

[silent acorn]

I ended there because other people so....

[rancid nymph]

If people violate Rule 2 with Castform, that’s their own problem

[silent acorn]

Technically it's not until someone reports you with it...

So you convinced them it does break it

[hardy tartan]

🤷 i mean, i wouldn't have put castform as rule 2 potential compared with the likes of salazzle

[rancid nymph]

No, I’m saying that any Castform sprites that break rule 2 are the fault of the dirty minds that created them

And not the Pokémon

[silent acorn]

Hmmm you don't have to use base cast

You could use the normal weather shapes instead

[hardy tartan]

...what about base castform violates rule 2 in your eyes?

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-imagination-box-gif-11902316362590532272

[bitter comet]

Just look at an image of one

You’ll see

[silent acorn]

I dont know, to me personally seems like in studio joke gamefreak made for themselves

Base that is

Since you wouldn't bother using base since it's gimmick it's weather in the first place

[rancid nymph]

Or, hear me out, you get your mind out of the gutter and realize that castform is a perfectly fine Pokémon

[silent acorn]

No

[hardy tartan]

I did not notice David Bowie's Area™️ in Labyrinth
I was reading a sex comedy comic and missed the dong taking up 1/4 of a panel
you will have to explain it to me

[silent acorn]

It's a pokemon and that it

By the way base sucks because instead of like lumpy clouds you got two weird lumps

That only in a weird mind look like clouds

[rancid nymph]

It’s based on a water molecule

[silent acorn]

Whatever it was based on doesn't mean the execution was flawless you know

[rancid nymph]

Just explaining why it looks the way it does

[hardy tartan]

(granted, i also have a lot more leniency towards risqué content
i'd consider a castform/mew fusion based on a spermatozoan to be perfectly fine 🤷 )

[silent acorn]

Concept doesn't equal perfect landing

[rancid nymph]

Wether you like it or not is completely up to you

[silent acorn]

Don't like it

Simple

The other forms are much better

Man looks awful in 3d. water form it's neat though

[gray vine]

while its based on H2O its still a weird way to depict that

[silent acorn]

Actually surprisingly it's more accurate in 3d

[silent acorn]

This is the good way

[hardy tartan]

lol. porygon2 fusion with castform that's just a water molecule

🤔 or would voltorb be better

[silent acorn]

this is godawful execution

[hardy tartan]

yeah, but comparing to jynx's boobs and salazzle... entire deal

[rancid nymph]

It’d probably look pretty weird if the smaller spheres were coming out of the side of its head

Which is probably why they designed it the way that they did

[bitter comet]

I thought it looked like the word falls but replace the first letter with different letter

[hardy tartan]

i kinda want to see a mockup of that
i think it might actually look pretty good tbh
get across the idea better and not look like balls

[silent acorn]

Jynx dress

Salazzle lizard back has to be posture that way

It's the lizard way

[hardy tartan]

you mean balls?
we're playing pokemon. we can say "balls"

[bitter comet]

Oh really?

[silent acorn]

faithful

[hardy tartan]

watch as i throw my poke-orb-like capsule at this 'mon to capture it!

[bitter comet]

Can never be too careful about getting smited by mods lol

Especially if it’s in a context

[rancid nymph]

Well, talking about it in the rule 2 context might be a bit more iffy

[silent acorn]

lizard

[silent acorn]

Take these Pokeballs

[hardy tartan]

i mean, we're discussing the potential for rule2 violations
i'd hope we can use adequate terminology and not cutesy euphemisms

[silent acorn]

Pokeball coined by gamefreak circa 1996

[hardy tartan]

that reminds me of the completely unrelated fact that Nintendo was founded in 1889

[silent acorn]

Anyway my issue with 2d castform is that it's a bad execution of the molecule thing

Somehow surprisingly 3d is the right one

[silent acorn]

Because these are less accentuated

[hardy tartan]

so you totally have Sherlock Holmes and Dracula playing Nintendo and it'd be historically-accurate

[silent acorn]

I only play historically accurate nintendo

Which is playing cards, booze and wholesome

[hardy tartan]

yeah 😌

[twin phoenix]

Almost done with outlines and basic color. The wing patterns were the hardest part.. and I feel like I flubbed on them despite taking too much time. I need to fight my body to finish.

[molten latch]

Frilly Boi

https://tenor.com/view/heliolisk-pokemon-electric-normal-lizard-gif-26451438

[bitter comet]

Lizord

[silent acorn]

See Helio has that stance

It's a lizard thing

[hardy tartan]

fuse helio and salazzle

ultimate lizord

[silent acorn]

People are just mad because Salazzle is Gamefreak jokey reference to modern internet

Lopunny is to old internet

[hardy tartan]

eh, i think it's also a reference to whiptails

[silent acorn]

They made it, someone thought it was cool and created it

Hell Mandibuzz isn't a south American condor

It's the Floridian one

That can just multiply by itself

Ever wondered why it was female?

It's because of that

[hardy tartan]

you mean the lesbizards?

or are you talking about the condors?

[silent acorn]

Flaafy? Laffy? References to cloning

[silent acorn]

Everything

[silent acorn]

People act as if in nature being a female is supposed to be a disadvantage or it's always equal in both when in fact many species have this weird female dominant behavior

Bees?

Queen bees. King bees don't exist

Ants?

Queen Ants. Kings don't exist

[silent acorn]

Precisely it's one to one a reference to this

Female lizards?

Gotcha covered

gotcha covered

There is a type of fish where only female survives longer

[hardy tartan]

why... do you think... i would reference whiptails if i wasn't already aware of the lesbizards

[silent acorn]

There is the mantis being bigger

[hardy tartan]

🫵 rule 2
/j

[silent acorn]

Driving the point home it's real and it happens

Anyway I hate people being dismissive about things different because they can't cope in a world that has much more variety than they think

[hardy tartan]

heh. preaching to the choir atm 😌

[silent acorn]

What I am trying to say I wish people just saw salazzle for what it is

A lizard

[hardy tartan]

a scalie

[silent acorn]

Wanna know a true abomination?

Goodra

A lizard or snail

That Stands up right

Does it have a spine in there? What's going on with that posture

Did it evolve from humans?

[mild sedge]

good questions

[silent acorn]

The world may never know

[hardy tartan]

ah shoot what's that thing your tongue does
it's how worms move

hydrostatic something or other?

muscular hydrostat

[mild sedge]

wrong one sry

[hazy fable]

wait doesnt magnemite line have levitate too??

[mild sedge]

yeah I think and rotom too

but they don’t guarantee electric type

[hardy tartan]

maybe they meant pure Electric type

[hazy fable]

ah

[mild sedge]

there’s some errors but I’m too lazy to re-record and re-edit stuff for the 4th time

[hazy fable]

fair

[ornate tide]

Who won the contest

and did they vote in carbink for a 3rd time

[mild sedge]

oh yeah eelektross learns coil

[hazy fable]

current contest is speed spriter right?

[ornate tide]

Is speed spriter still happening rn

[mild sedge]

the more popular ones that won the contests, the better chances eelektross has in the votes

[silent acorn]

Yes its over 2 days 24 hours

[ornate tide]

Wow

Insane

[hazy fable]

im waiting for concept art

[mild sedge]

wait golisopod is in the exclusive vote?

didn’t notice that

[next sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/bus-stop-left-by-bus-bad-timing-too-late-gif-12592855

there Goes my bus

and school

rip

[hardy tartan]

[ornate tide]

Kommo o is winning the popular vote we may be cooked

Most likely I assume

Like wth else is winning the popular vote

[molten latch]

Dont get your hopes up

[hardy tartan]

where's this vote happening?

[molten latch]

Golisopod, Lurantis, and others are taking the lead aswell.

[twin phoenix]

Been waiting for over half an hour for my bus. 😦

Concept art is finished, so I'll submit it right when I get home.

[white meadow]

Are you guys just speculating on this

The vote not your bus

Godspeed

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, Idk where people are pulling the popularity rankings from.

[wanton grove]

It appeared to me in a dream

[hardy tartan]

but jirachi's already in the game

[stuck bane]

Kommo is predicted to win main because it made the top 10 of the main vote last time, but was vetoed due to too many dragons in 1 update. Public opinion could’ve changed, but we don’t really see why

Goliso is predicted to win special because Tl;dr: it appeals to both main sides very well (comp and sprite). It’s not guaranteed either, something like lurantis, Slurpuff, Carbink, Crawdaunt, tropius or Ribombee could pull an underdog victory, but it’s unlikely

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-imagination-rainbow-happy-gif-4596954

[white meadow]

Those would be a tragic two picks

Why not minior or something for public

[stuck bane]

I’d like goliso based on sprites I’ve seen, more meh on kommo, if it’s something else I’ll be pleasantly surprised but not getting hopes up

[ornate tide]

Im not getting my hopes up I don't want Kommo o

[stuck bane]

The thing about public, and this was main vote last time too, most people who vote on that Google form aren’t on this server, not looking at this channel or sprites. That’s why dragons dominated the poll last time because casuals love dragon types

I’d love minior in place of kommo, but that’s the prediction

[white meadow]

Where are these people who are voting outside the server

Do you mean people who just follow updates

Or like reddit, discord, 4chan

[stuck bane]

The link gets shared by friends and social media, so it extends to waaay beyond this server, yeah like Reddit YouTube etc.

[ornate tide]

Actually a lot of people don't know where the vote is in the first place 💀

[white meadow]

Man that sucks

We'll see what happens

[stuck bane]

It is what it is

[white meadow]

At a certain point I hope the really good for art mons just get added

Just because they're so likely to get slept on by someone without context

[stuck bane]

There’s apparently some event at 500k, one of those could be another spriter vote, and frog has just added mons he himself wants in the game as bonuses so usually overlooked mons like toxapex, bewear, etc. in the public vote still have chances

[ornate tide]

Clamperl gaming?

[stuck bane]

Also 495 away

[stuck bane]

I’m sure they have aspects to add but for the life of me I’m tired and my mind is blanking, sorry

[ornate tide]

I feel like Excadrill could maybe be a dark horse to win the popular vote

I have been thinking about more universally liked pokemon

[white meadow]

I think Golisopod is probably more popular

[ornate tide]

Golisopod gone from the pop vote ig that will take it out the special vote and we avoid Kommo o getting in

[white meadow]

Idk

I have to remind myself of the options

I'm still not sold that's the surefire pick tbh

[stuck bane]

Unova:
starters (top 4 of original vote), victini, excadrill, Lilligant, cinccino, Emolga, keldeo

Alola:
starters (top 3 of original vote), Zeraora, Golisopod (top 2 of spriter vote), cosmog, Buzzwole, silvally, vikavolt, salazzle, kommo-o (too many dragons), marshadow, Tsareena, lurantis (top 3 of spriter vote), togedemaru, tapus, Mudsdale, ribombee

Both are strong contenders and next in line barring starters and mythicals (these are remaining options from the 2020 google Pokémon poll, which was a little under 50% accurate in predicting mons last vote)

[ornate tide]

true people like Tsareema

[simple gulch]

vote for pant

[ornate tide]

So Golisopod Tsareena Excadrill and Kommo o are all contenders

[white meadow]

Lurantis could be in there as well

[stuck bane]

Idk, I’d have to look up the Google Pokémon of the year vote again to get exact vote numbers, but I’m too tired to do that for now

I’ll post the whole thing I made and let y’all decide

Pokemon of the year 2020 prediction accuracy

Hoenn:
ludicolo (top 4 of the spriter vote), mightyena

Sinnoh:
shaymin (raffle), Staraptor, Pachirisu

Unova:
starters (top 4 of original vote), victini, excadrill, Lilligant, cinccino, Emolga, keldeo

Kalos:
starters (top 2 of original vote), dedenne, Xerneas/yveltal, meowstic, Zygarde, diancie, hoopa, Pangoro, Dragalge, gourgeist, malamar, heliolisk

Alola:
starters (top 3 of original vote), Zeraora, Golisopod (top 2 of spriter vote), cosmog, Buzzwole, silvally, vikavolt, salazzle, kommo-o (too many dragons), marshadow, Tsareena, lurantis (top 3 of spriter vote), togedemaru, tapus, Mudsdale, ribombee

Total: 23/55, 41% accuracy

[ornate tide]

why do people like lurantis so much

[white meadow]

Colors I think

And sort of feminine

[ornate tide]

literally just add tsareena

[stuck bane]

Colors, mantis, plant pretending to be animal, contrary, solar blade, etc.

[white meadow]

I agree with Tsareena

[ornate tide]

honestly I like malamar better for contrary ngl

[stuck bane]

Although I doubt it’s completely acccurate, dedenne was only popular at time because of the anime iirc

[ornate tide]

Dedenne is cool

[white meadow]

Yeah I think hoenn, sinnoh, and kalos are out based on that list

[ornate tide]

Idk gen 6 mons probably have the most cults

[white meadow]

Honestly I would expect more support for Clawitzer than Excadrill

[ornate tide]

Clawtizer idk

its cool but like

[white meadow]

Yeah but largely for the starters and legendaries

[ornate tide]

idk if its winning a popular vote

[white meadow]

It gets more sprites I think

[ornate tide]

I kinda hope Golisopod wins the popular vote

[white meadow]

I honestly think unova is unlikely

[ornate tide]

really

idk people like Exca

I would assume Exca would mainly be getting at least a 2

[white meadow]

Like excadrill gets little talk these days and Lilligant loses to Tsareena or Lurantis

[ornate tide]

from most people

[white meadow]

I think excadrill is a cool well liked mom

Not gonna edit that

But it loses out to Golisopod and maybe even Clawitzer in coolness

At least on the spriting side I'm pretty sure it does

[ornate tide]

Not that many people talk about Exca but i don't think people are giving it bad votes

[white meadow]

I gave 0s to mons I wasn't serious about

Excadrill was one of many

[ornate tide]

I voted very honestly ngl

[white meadow]

Gotta impact the vote as much as possible

[ornate tide]

I voted 3's on Mons I like

that includes Exca