pif-hoenn-discussion

[rugged temple]

I don't care, it has enough good points to make up for it

[silent acorn]

Man ash had a really awful team in unova

Personally hate Scrafty for the evo

Ugly looking Mohawk thing

[rugged temple]

Ash always has good pokemon in the worst kinds of ways they were used

[rain locust]

oh are we hating on scrafty instead

[silent acorn]

I dont hate Scrafty because it's the hoodie one

I hate The evo

Ugly mother freaking thing

[rain locust]

scrafty is the evo though

[rugged temple]

Scraftys okay but man it could use more speed

[silent acorn]

Ok Scrafty the ugly one

[rain locust]

its an intim fuser it doesnt need speed

that being said fighting is not a good typing for that niche

[silent acorn]

Thing should have kept the hoodie the way the prevo did

[rugged temple]

It sure aint

Most things slapping the fighting types are flying or special attackers

[rain locust]

thats not really true

[silent acorn]

yeah super cool woo....

[rain locust]

most physical attackers are stuff like vcreate, facade, eq, etc

[silent acorn]

What a screw up in design

[rain locust]

which fighting is neutral to but its pretty mid otherwise

[rugged temple]

To be fair the dark typing means psychic and ghost aren't too good against a scrafty

But still

[rain locust]

youre not using dark it has too low hp

not terrible but too passive imo

[rugged temple]

Okay so what do you use it for then

[silent acorn]

That things main selling point is the ability

[rain locust]

or this but being weak to dragon is not exciting

[silent acorn]

What's the point of intimidate when it has moxie

[rain locust]

moxie is ass on scrafty

intim is actually good due to the physical attackers in the tier

[silent acorn]

Now that's a pretty bad take and makes it pointless having it without that

[rain locust]

bro you have 90/58 physical offense

thats terrible

[silent acorn]

So it's ass

The mon itself is ass

[rain locust]

no moxie is ass

scrafty has useable defense with intimidate

[rugged temple]

Moxie is good on a pokemon that can kill fast

Its basically to steamroll

[silent acorn]

Ok one stage is bad

Specially with that speed

[rain locust]

imo its pretty overrated

[rugged temple]

Conkeldurr does the fighting type better

[silent acorn]

I love me some conkeldur

Guts and sheer force

[rugged temple]

Scrafty is there because a fighting dark type must have seemed like a good niche

[silent acorn]

What separates conkeldurr from Machamp again?

[rain locust]

no cc 😹

[rugged temple]

Access to different move pools

[rain locust]

thats why i dont consider conk

its too similar to machamp

[silent acorn]

Hmm. Conkeldurr hits harder

[sweet horizon]

I personally disagree(and respect your opinion), I think it's rly cool but I understand why you wouldn't like it:3

[silent acorn]

Don't like it because what's the point of the hoodie theme if we are just dropping it

[rain locust]

conk only has 10 more atk

[silent acorn]

Plus it looks goofy as hell

[rain locust]

and if you dont fuse it with a cc user youre losing atk really

[silent acorn]

Gamefreak probably realized that and decided to just go with mohawk instead

Because both couldn't go

[clear lichen]

Wait does Conk actually not get CC in Gen 7?

It does in later gens

[rain locust]

no

[clear lichen]

Jesus

Still UUBL, W

[sweet horizon]

Me who likes goofy cool designs:

[silent acorn]

What is the most defensive dark type

Drapion has 110

Scrafty beats that by like 5

Actually I just realized

[clear lichen]

Seems like the main difference between Machamp and Conk is that Conk's priority is STAB while Machamp's is SE vs Fairy

[sweet horizon]

What's the reaction mean huh

[rain locust]

mandibuzz

[clear lichen]

They have similar bulk, Conk trading some special bulk for physical

Conk also has Drain Punch, which Machamp doesn't have

Those differences seem to be enough to make it more difficult to deal with

[finite reef]

Conk is good for Mach punch + drain punch with iron fist

[clear lichen]

But they are admittedly very similar in how they play

[rain locust]

iron fist ⁉️

[silent acorn]

Really? Huh

[rain locust]

using iron fist when guts is right there

[clear lichen]

Iron Fist is such a fraudulent ability

[sweet horizon]

@silent acorn i don't understand what u mean by the reaction sorry

[silent acorn]

Goofy ain't cool

[clear lichen]

Mmmm yes 1.2 boost on specifically punching moves

Yes please

[silent acorn]

That done

Anyway

It boost hammer arm

[finite reef]

It might be better on a bulky set-up fusion

[rain locust]

no bc you get burned

[silent acorn]

Hmmm 🙂

Infernape

[finite reef]

I mean iron fist

[silent acorn]

Conkel

[rain locust]

iron fist means you get burned

[clear lichen]

It even uses Guts on the Gen 6 AV set

[sweet horizon]

Oh alr tho I myself do feel it can be goofy and cool at the same time:3

[clear lichen]

That should say a lot

[rain locust]

the boost is not worth getting crippled by burn

[finite reef]

Ah true

[clear lichen]

Burn almost completely nullifies any non Guts physical attacker

[silent acorn]

What if it was fire type

[clear lichen]

Then Guts becomes not good

Look at Flareon

[finite reef]

If it did someone get burned, yes burn would be bad

[clear lichen]

Bro has to self proc fucking Toxic to use Guts

And Toxic is never good to have unless you have Poison Heal

It's a very swift countdown to your death

And that's not good when a lot of Guts users are slow

Flareon included

And Flareon's also just weak to Stealth Rocks

In that case, I could see Iron Fist being the best ability

Sheer Force is good but Conkeldurr doesn't get moves to abuse it

Tbf, a Fire type conkeldurr fusion likely means it will now have Flare Blitz

And if Darmanitan has taught me anything, Choice Band Sheer Force Flare Blitz is funny, if nothing else

Conk>Machamp but they play similarly enough that I would understand not wanting Conk over another Pokemon

[finite reef]

High recoil + rocks weakness in a meta with regen waters isn't going to go well

[clear lichen]

OK but consider the following: 252 Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola in Sun: 252-297 (47.1 - 55.6%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO

I love silly little calcs like this

They're the best

Darmanitan also has high HP, even if it has low bulk overall

[finite reef]

I was just typing about how I am curious about Darmanitan/Rampardos calcs lol

[clear lichen]

So it can take recoil better than most

It's also not as slow as Rampardos so it sees lower tier usage normally

And unlike Rampardos its speed is actually salvageable

With fusions I mean

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dracovish in Sun: 166-195 (51.7 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I love stupid weather calcs like this so much

[finite reef]

My Toxapex fusion seeing 252+ atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan/Rampardos Flare Blitz in the sun

[clear lichen]

I used the funny weather calc against the funny weather calc

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Toxapex in Sun: 229-270 (75.5 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
WHAT THE FUCK IS AN EARTHQUAKE 🗣️

[rain locust]

darm is kinda outclassed by entei

[clear lichen]

True but Darm is funnier

Entei doesn't have stupid calcs like these

[finite reef]

It kinda does though

[clear lichen]

Fuck viability, I see 2HKO on a bulky Water with a Fire move, I click

[rain locust]

252+ Atk Choice Band Entei V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Sun: 186-219 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[clear lichen]

252+ Atk Choice Band Entei Sacred Fire vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Toxapex in Sun: 127-150 (41.9 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[clear lichen]

Ah right Infinite Fusion gives Entei V-Create

[finite reef]

V Create is one of the moves of all time

[clear lichen]

VICTINI FOR INFINITE FUSION 🗣️ 🔥

[finite reef]

We need comfey for priority Oblivion Wing

[clear lichen]

We need Darmanitan to retain the niche of the funny big calc physical fire

[rain locust]

how are you getting owing on comfey

[clear lichen]

Thus, add Victini into the game

Darmanitan still outdamages Victini I think

[finite reef]

....honchkrow?

Yeah that's not good, I forgot about needing dark/flying

[clear lichen]

Alternatively, give Darmanitan V-Create if it gets added

Not Sheer Force boosted unfortunately

But Darm still has more attack than Entei

[rain locust]

id rather not have to load unaware on all my teams bc of this mon

[clear lichen]

So Darm gets to be the funny calc fire (tm)

[finite reef]

Counterpoint, having Ampharos be viable is really funny

[rain locust]

not viable bc triage would be suspected and banned

[clear lichen]

True

[finite reef]

That's a relief

[clear lichen]

Anyways, I think we should give V-Create a 1% chance to burn, then give it to Darmanitan

No reason

Just think it'd be funny

252 Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan V-Create vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Toxapex in Sun: 313-369 (103.3 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It'd be balanced trust me bro

Think about the Stealth Rock weakness and the self nerf

In all seriousness Darmanitan's design is good and all but it is so unga bunga in playstyle that it becomes 50× better based off that alone

Yknow, until you click Flare Blitz into a Pelipper switching in

Then you die IRL

That's why you predict the switch with Rock Slide and miss

What'd be the funniest move to give to a Darmanitan

Bolt Strike?

I mean, Coverage for Waters when it isn't sunny/you don't want recoil/Dondozo

And you'd get a better physical electric moves than most electric types

Keep in mind, Bolt Strike is Sheer Force boosted, it has a 20% paralysis chance

[hollow creek]

3 more days until kommo os in if

https://youtu.be/JsOPHyuAuT0?si=jhhCLlZLowYbed5y

[steel meadow]

Finally did my vote, somehow ended up with 14 3's

Only Carbink and Lurantis out of those 14 has made it into the other vote though

[rain locust]

voting carbink 3? Zased...

[steel meadow]

Full list of 3's included: Carbink, Lurantis, Kricketune, Gastrodon, Hippowdon, Leavanny, Mudsdale, Excadrill, Toxapex, Camerupt, GOGOAT, Crustle, Shinotic and Torkoal

[ember bear]

toxapex?

but it's already in

[alpine rune]

buddy i got good news for you

[prime dust]

yeah toxapex got added in during the last vote

[steel meadow]

Hmm you do?

[prime dust]

so your list has been invalidated due to that

[steel meadow]

oh.

[alpine rune]

Toxapex is in the game

[steel meadow]

I wrote toxapex instead of someone else

lmao

[ember bear]

peak

[alpine rune]

[steel meadow]

I was like why are y guys talking about toxapex

Toxicroak.

I blame running on 2 hours of sleep

[alpine rune]

I started to hate toxapex because of Showdown tours

[steel meadow]

Toxapex is toxic (badum tss) in singles

[molten latch]

[steel meadow]

New emotes are kinds fun

Wait why did we get a spheal emote before spheal in the game?

[prime dust]

because RNGesus is a cruel god

[steel meadow]

Was that the vote that was a raffle? I heard there was a whole spheal movement back in the day

[prime dust]

no spheal didn't get in that at all

and we don't know where it was in the community listing either since frog only ever showed us the top votes when he announced the starters were getting dq'ed due to dominating the polls

thus why i'm hoping this time around we get the friend who is also

https://tenor.com/view/drakeandjosh-spherical-present-take-this-offer-gif-5396234

[steel meadow]

I would love spheal

but honestly not sure what people would do with walrein after the like super obvious fusions like Mamoswine/Walrein

[prime dust]

why everyone should vote 3 on spheal

[steel meadow]

I gave spheal 2 cuz i just want spheal

[prime dust]

but look at the goomy/spheal fusion, it is the best of both worlds

[steel meadow]

It is pretty fcking cute ill give u that

[prime dust]

round
cool [to the touch]
slightly slimey [great for the kids]

[steel meadow]

I just hope gogoat does well

Either gets into the other vote thingy or gets high here

[opaque ether]

Come on Poochyena and Mightyena. Still rooting for them.

[steel meadow]

We have such a cool community that just talks goats

The dogs got a 2 from me

[opaque ether]

Respectable.

[steel meadow]

Yeah i like them i just feel like they arent bringing alot of new possibilities although their color scheme is sick. Afterall we got Lycanrock for Canine fusions.

[prime dust]

i only gave em a one, but that is because there is stuff i want to see in the game more than them, otherwise they probably would have gotten a two

[steel meadow]

I really thought id have like 3 3's but when you got the list of all the cool mons that are non if its actually insane

[prime dust]

i think this matches up to my actual vote [minus the mons that aren't on the tierlist for some weird reason]

[steel meadow]

Carbink in 0

[prime dust]

sorry it just doesn't interest me without also getting Diance

[steel meadow]

That better be cuz u want a diancie/carbink event

I like the loudred and mienshao 3's

[prime dust]

and i ironically only have 1 reason to want Diance in the game

[steel meadow]

Regenerator Mienshao sounds so fun to use

[steel meadow]

Is that reason named ribbon?

[prime dust]

wait, scratch that, 2; because diance might allow for steven universe fusions

the main reason ironically is sailor moon

[steel meadow]

I mean.

Thats fair

[prime dust]

if you look at my list, you will see where the ribbon is

[steel meadow]

I meant the spriter named ribbon that has done tons of Diancie fusions

[prime dust]

its going to be like 95% head fusions, because i feel like people will struggle on body

[prime dust]

oh

lol

[steel meadow]

Chimeco for head is amazing yes

[alpine rune]

sorry to whoever you are out there, i mean no mockery but damn bro 😂

[steel meadow]

So is bronzong i think

[prime dust]

most people are prepping and testing teams for the mono tourney

[alpine rune]

ik same as me

i dont have a gen 9 team

i would play if i could

im too lazy to come up with anything

[prime dust]

i have a team built but i've never dabbled in competitive pokemon so i feel like i've messed things up

[alpine rune]

ahh he finally found someone

[simple gulch]

vote for monkies

[prime dust]

i did, they got 0

[steel meadow]

Yep 0.

I would give them a negative 3 if possible

[simple gulch]

give some more

since it wont change anything

[prime dust]

no

[simple gulch]

:v why all the female mon got 3 point

[prime dust]

they get 0, where they belong

[prime dust]

i like the mons, i like their designs

[steel meadow]

I really dont see why people like Salazzle

I feel like it will only get a bunch of borderline [insert rule here] posts

Maybe im a baby but just looking at that mon makes me uncomfortable

[simple gulch]

thats the only reason for ur question

:v it got a cool ability thou, for stall mon fusion

[steel meadow]

I didnt know that ability even existed.

[simple gulch]

let u toxic poison and steel mon

[steel meadow]

Yeah i googled it, thats actually cool

[steel meadow]

That reminds me of some donkey kong enemies

[simple gulch]

stall mon would like it, cus u dont need Soak

[simple gulch]

random pirate numba 2

[steel meadow]

I still want to vote in all the weather setters for their abilities

[simple gulch]

what left?

[humble lance]

slazle

[simple gulch]

slayazzle

[steel meadow]

I think all weather setters exist (because of delibird snow warning ability) but Abomosnow, Hippowdon and Torkoal would give us more options for weather

Oh and bird

Pelipper

[simple gulch]

i mean u can just fuse for the ability

most of those mon has bad stat anyways

[steel meadow]

Torkoal and Hippowdon is great

[simple gulch]

torkoal in trick room yes

[steel meadow]

They were my mvps in their respective gens

[simple gulch]

hippoedon is eh

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh only benefit of abomosnow to me is snow warning for double battles with froslass

[simple gulch]

aurorus has snow warning too

[steel meadow]

Huh.

Since when?

[simple gulch]

since hidden ability

[steel meadow]

Since always

I guess i never look twice at that mon because of the horrible typing

[alpine rune]

aurorus my goat

Aurorus my beloved

[steel meadow]

Now i want to design weather themed teams after gogoat run

[steel meadow]

Their point has successfully been refuted.

[simple gulch]

https://www.fusiondex.org/462/

[simple gulch]

is that c-heese

[alpine rune]

I wish we can vote tapus so we can make grassy terrain teams

[humble lance]

milk

[steel meadow]

Id love tapus if we all just pretend tapu lele doesnt exist

[humble lance]

thats the pink one yeah

?

[steel meadow]

Yep its the pink one

[humble lance]

why not lele

[steel meadow]

I dont know tbh, i have a unreasonable disliking towards lele lmao

[alpine rune]

Well give the girl some credit, she can [Psyshock 123%-136% Guaranteed OHKO]

[humble lance]

inch resting

[steel meadow]

Theyre definetly powerful and stuff they just dont have anything appealing to me

I do tend to dislike feminine pokemon tho, especially pink ones

[humble lance]

skill issue nya

[steel meadow]

I believe so

[alpine rune]

At least its not gardevoir

[steel meadow]

The legend i want the most is shaymin

[humble lance]

same

[alpine rune]

I mean fini is also feminine ngl

[steel meadow]

But fini has such a cool color scheme...

[humble lance]

i only really like koko of the tapus tbh

[alpine rune]

same

[steel meadow]

I like koko alot

Bulu and Fini are pretty cool too

I like grass types.

[alpine rune]

I only wanted lele for the psychic terrain so pesky prankster wont ruin my trick room

[gray stream]

I like all of the tapus, but that’s probs just because I really like gen 7

[steel meadow]

Gen 7 is goated for alot of their designs

Like holy gen 7 bug types

[humble lance]

i think bulu is my least favorite of the tapus
just dont like the design that much

[steel meadow]

And ub's

[unkempt kernel]

Gen 5 had some good bugs too

[steel meadow]

Oh yeah gen 5 is great for bug types too

[simple gulch]

a weedle?

[steel meadow]

But volcarona carries

[steel meadow]

Oh actually shut up seb u dont know what ur talking about

[simple gulch]

:v and genensus

[steel meadow]

Crustle, galvantula, scoliopede, leavanny

[humble lance]

crustle

[steel meadow]

Am i stupid or does gen 6 actually just have 1 line of bug types being spewpa line?

Dont mind the 66 other pages open.

[simple gulch]

gen 6 has the least mon

[simple gulch]

u also have 666 vivions variants

[proud lion]

Only one bug line in Gen 6

[steel meadow]

Man gen 6 kinda stupid

[simple gulch]

it doee

[steel meadow]

Just looking at the dex feels weird

[civic harness]

I forgot about Vivillon

[steel meadow]

Such a small dex and it still has its fair share of stinkers (but they do have goat trying to carry the dex on its back)

[simple gulch]

what turning into 3d did to a franchise

[steel meadow]

There is too many butterfly shaped mons

[civic harness]

Make sense

[prime dust]

spinda laughs at the effort

[trail hull]

okay so as soon as the vote mon is reealed I need to make diglett fusions for it so that digltt is still completed

[simple gulch]

how many, its like 5

[sullen elbow]

+having a bunch of megas

[steel meadow]

Butterfree, mothim, dustox, beautifly, vivillon...?

[simple gulch]

each color has their own slot , like unown, spinda only count as 1 slot

[steel meadow]

Am i forgetting someone?

[civic harness]

I made that before

[sullen elbow]

Venomoth

[simple gulch]

snom

[prime dust]

yes, but there are more spindas than anything else

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/snom-pokemon-knife-threat-stab-gif-15740428

[simple gulch]

evo

[steel meadow]

I guess lunala is a butterfly bat if you really squint your eyes

[sullen elbow]

Volcarona

[trail hull]

I rather not gamble time for them

[steel meadow]

8 butterflies

[simple gulch]

then count all the bat lol

[steel meadow]

Zubat, swoobat, Lunala (actually this time), uuuuh

[trail hull]

funfact in french moths are called nigth butterflies

[steel meadow]

im old i dont have a good memory

[civic harness]

What fusion are you going to do first?

[steel meadow]

Noivern

[trail hull]

I'm gonna make all diglett fusions for the new mon and if I have time ho-oh as well

but I also wanted to do a sylveon and voltorb

[civic harness]

Diglett head fusions right?

[trail hull]

body and head

[simple gulch]

no luvdisc?

[trail hull]

alreadyd did a luvdisc/diglett

[simple gulch]

glisor

[steel meadow]

HOW COULD I FORGET GLISCOR.

ITS LIKE MY FAVORITE GUY

[simple gulch]

3 luvdisc?

[trail hull]

I made : chikorita/luvdisc , luvdisc/diglett , mawile/luvdisc , luvdisc/cresselia

[simple gulch]

vote for pant

[steel meadow]

Gliscor got top 10 when i did favorite pokemon picker

[simple gulch]

luvdisc is unsave able, head or body

[civic harness]

Start with diglett head fusions, that the spriters usually do first

[steel meadow]

Alongside Breloom, Grovyle, Croconaw and Croagunk from on top of my head

[trail hull]

body takes like 2 minutes so I'll start with that

[civic harness]

Please dont make recolors

[steel meadow]

They usually do good diglett fusions i wouldnt worry

[trail hull]

no I'm not jsut recoloring

I made over a 100 diglett fusions (most are bodies)

[steel meadow]

But diglett fusions do be simple body wise

[trail hull]

yeah head fusiosn are harder for me

[steel meadow]

I mean diglett doesnt have alot of defining features

Ive never done a diglett head but i wouldnt know where to go after color scheme and adding derpy diglett face

[trail hull]

yeah body offer mroe freedom

[civic harness]

Rocks and dirt

So it looks better

[steel meadow]

Oh right 🤦

[trail hull]

digltt body vs diglett head fusion of mine. I've made the arceus ring specifically for it and turned it into an asset (from a pokemon game)

[civic harness]

I remember do some diglett head fusions

Wait... no, I think they are Dugtrio head fusions

[simple gulch]

worm

[trail hull]

if spheal win I'll use testrun snow asset or my water floor asets with some ice cubes , if gogoat win I'll make a bush and if it's someone else it'll be recolor dirt

[simple gulch]

diglett body is un save able

[trail hull]

yep diglett was a pain especially because they were tons of joke/alt sprites so I occasionally do dugtrios

but speaking of fusions I wonder if we'll get bonus mon and if so who could it be

[steel meadow]

I think Spheal could make it as a bonus

As it seemed to have gotten "ripped" off from my understand last vote

[civic harness]

Not really, you can make good things with the dirt and rocks

[trail hull]

trust me they were a lot of joke sprite

[civic harness]

[trail hull]

I know it because I was team diglett leader

[civic harness]

I know

[trail hull]

that's great so we could get both gogat and spheal

[steel meadow]

If we do get a bonus i feel like it might just be a pokemon frog likes

[civic harness]

Monkeys?

[steel meadow]

Maybe we just implant some propaganda in their brain

[trail hull]

or luvdisc if he wants to troll

[steel meadow]

People like the monkeys...?

[civic harness]

Yes

Some of the best spriters want it

[civic harness]

Probably monkeys

[steel meadow]

I thought the list of monkey enjoyers went like this: NTM

[trail hull]

If they get in I'll just do diglett fusions and don't touch them for a while or until the enxt sprite rush

[trail hull]

NTM said he would make one fusion with each and never again

[steel meadow]

Thats probably cuz there isnt multiple machokes in the game

[trail hull]

you mean he would sprite incineroar?

[civic harness]

Not only the apple

[steel meadow]

Incineroar seems like a ntm mon to me yes

[civic harness]

The monkeys are a starter pick without starter pick, just with less pokemons

So yes

Frog could perfectly choose that

[steel meadow]

But i thought the game had issues which made it annoying to add pokemon so adding 6 bad pokemon would be such a waste

[trail hull]

I rather get 2 extras slot for a starter line so like that we would only get 1 mon of each lien who doesn't get sprited (middle evo)

[steel meadow]

Or maybe i just dont understand the tech problems we're facing.

[prime dust]

that used to be the case

now it is more of frog having the time to do it

unless it is gen 8+

[steel meadow]

So like just Froakie + Greninja but no frogadier?

[prime dust]

that actually is difficult

[steel meadow]

Unless its the stupid bird

Sensu style ghost birdicorio

[trail hull]

Frogadier is cool but fusion wise it's literally gonna be the middle child

always happen with mid stage

[steel meadow]

I tend to like alot of middle child pokemon

I did just say croconaw and grovyle was in my top 10

[trail hull]

yeah frogadier raboot marshtomp and ivysaur are cool

[civic harness]

Middle forms are usually ignored

[steel meadow]

yeah list goes on

[trail hull]

but like between a cute lil thing and a cool mon the one going trhough puberty is the least picked

[steel meadow]

but thats relatable guy

idk why i relate with pokemon going through puberty when im 24 but

[prime dust]

i think there will be some exceptions to the middle child curse with braxien and dartrix

[trail hull]

alsoI hope we don't get a sprite rush for one of the new mons

[civic harness]

I remember that video about Watortle

[steel meadow]

Dartrix might be one of the middle evos i outright dislike

[timber spear]

Hear me out ... Quiladin/spheal

[steel meadow]

Alongside Charmeleon and depressed lizard from gen 8

[steel meadow]

ball

[civic harness]

Another ball

[prime dust]

ok imma need you to hand over your spriter license for suggesting such a thing

[timber spear]

[civic harness]

Take your cute thing

[trail hull]

As soon as we get the reveal I'll cram as much of the new mon fusions on the remaining time left of this month

[civic harness]

And what if the votes continues in the next month?

[trail hull]

I'll cram them next month

[steel meadow]

Even if its lets say... Barbaracle?

[civic harness]

That would be great

[steel meadow]

Barbaracle enjoyers exist?!

I thought people hated it or thought it was okay

[trail hull]

I'll only cram binacle and do one barbaracle for the dex

[steel meadow]

Binacle and diglett do seem like a match made in heaven somehow

[trail hull]

yes

[civic harness]

You didnt expect that?

[steel meadow]

If i thought there was a pokemon out there without a fan base id guess Barbaracle

[trail hull]

There's always at least one person that love a pokemon

[steel meadow]

Yeah ik ik but you know IF there was one someone didnt love

[unique flame]

im impdimp strongest soldier

[trail hull]

impidimp is a silly little gremlim

[steel meadow]

Impidimp is great

Any mischievous guys have a special place in my heart

Croagunk, Sableye, Impidimp, Whimsicott

[velvet root]

Greetings

[steel meadow]

Hello 🐐

Glad that another gogoat propaganda spreader joined as im about to finish of my shift

[wooden walrus]

Skitty could stomp that thing

[wooden walrus]

SKITTTYYYYUUU

[trail hull]

skitty is cute and delcatty is classy

[civic harness]

3 days, but someone say hyena and explain why

[finite reef]

The next winner should add a "random" option to the poll

[civic harness]

Like a raffle you mean

[prime dust]

nah just tell frog "stick all the options onto a wheel and spin it" whatever it lands on, unless its already been chosen, is my vote

if it has been chosen, respin

[finite reef]

As in the next "pokemon", for the second poll is a place holder, if it wins the vote then it gets randomised

[velvet root]

[silent acorn]

It's OK not mind blowing

Its our only way of getting tough claws now

[analog stag]

Barbaracle gang rise up

[stuck bane]

If y’all are talking about what happens if special vote winner is same as main vote winner, frog already answered that

[sweet horizon]

Hi here I am I like barbaracle

[sweet horizon]

✊

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-pinhead-larry-ugly-barnacle-story-gif-16181475

[molten latch]

That didn't help at all.

[sweet horizon]

He cool

[deft obsidian]

Ohhh that's make sense

[rancid nymph]

So that’s why Siebold’s ace is Barbarcle

[spice sage]

Barbaracle is unironically goated

[molten latch]

Hello the riddler

Do you have any riddles to share?

[velvet root]

The Froggy spawned

[civic harness]

Thanks Frog, thanks to gave hope

[rancid nymph]

Then why isn’t it in the game yet

[twin phoenix]

Is Burmy going to have 3 forms or count as 1?
In case Frog sees. x.x

[velvet root]

Guys
Should I go and suffer for some hours?

[civic harness]

People likes cute things

[civic harness]

Why?

[clear lichen]

Because this is a democracy, probably

[rancid nymph]

Suffer doing what?

[velvet root]

Cuz I think about playing ark and redo what I lost when my safe file corrupted

[clear lichen]

Any Pokemon has fans, there's just some that have more than others

I will say, generally from what I see people hate Barbaracle

It isn't too bad though

[velvet root]

It probably has the Dodrio sprite problem mixed with Pinsirs Sprite Trauma

[clear lichen]

Well I said generally, not based on spriting fusions

But that doesn't seem too great for Barbaracle

[velvet root]

I know

Just wanted to add to it

You think Froggy likes Goats?

[civic harness]

We only know that Frog likes rocks with hands

And monkeys

[rancid nymph]

The Unova monkeys are underrated TBH

[unkempt kernel]

The monkeys are bad, simple as

[spice sage]

||the unova monkeys are actually some of my least favorite pokemon ||

[civic harness]

||Forgive me Frog ||

[stone cliff]

It's canon, they're the worst

[civic harness]

Anyways

[steel meadow]

I cant believe frog themself spawned to refute my claim that Barbaracle enjoyers doesnt exist

[rugged temple]

Once again I am asking you to put Claydol as a 3 point vote

[steel meadow]

I guess every pokemon has a fan afterall

[stuck bane]

Every Pokémon has at least a reason to be added, including luvdisc and monkeys, but some choices have way more reasons than others

[rugged temple]

Claydol propaganda GO

[steel meadow]

Claydol is like the less cool little brother of Bronzong

[civic harness]

I exist before

[rugged temple]

Alright back that up

[civic harness]

I try to do the same with the crabs but...

[rugged temple]

Bronzong doesn't have orbital laser blasters for hands

[steel meadow]

Its more menacing when the person with the power to add any pokemon to the game does it

[stuck bane]

I never thought about it like that but you’re right. Maybe claydol is better for fusion sprites but their base designs yeah Bronzong wins

[civic harness]

Youre right

[steel meadow]

Orbital lasers? I thought those were whoopee cushions

[rugged temple]

Not unless you fuse it with a prankster pokemon

[steel meadow]

All jokes aside both brozong and claydol got a 2 from me i believe

[rugged temple]

Also I'm sorry but bronzor body fusions are just gonna be pokemon faces on a flat surface. Baltoy faces are probably gonna bodies spinning tops and beyblades

I'll accept 2 points

[stuck bane]

Like, Baltoy is a top but Bronzor is a disc, claydol is…something, and Bronzong is a bell. Heck I think beheeyem does the alien theming better

[rugged temple]

I mean, neither bronzong nor Claydol are aliens

[steel meadow]

Bronzor/Bronzong body fusions are definetly weaker than claydol body fusions ill give u that

[molten latch]

Now that you mentioned that Gen 5 is your least favorite. We can eliminate that and think that other gens will gonna make in the one spot.

[stuck bane]

Then what is claydol

[molten latch]

[rugged temple]

Claydol is based on a clay doll in ancient south American/south asian cultures

[steel meadow]

Claydol give me more ancient technology vibes than futuristic alien vibes (which beeheyem gives me)

[molten latch]

Like that one Digimon?

[rugged temple]

Yes

[hazy fable]

YES PREACH

[rugged temple]

And the infamous NULL PHYS demon

[stuck bane]

Woah woah calm your horses he said he doesn’t like monkeys, not that he dislikes Gen 5. Also note he said monkeys were SOME of his least favorites, there’s things on his list below monkeys

[molten latch]

Oh sorry

[steel meadow]

I wonder what that could be

[molten latch]

Didnt read that well.

[steel meadow]

What could be worse than monke

[hazy fable]

miltank

but we already have it

[rugged temple]

Bruxish

[steel meadow]

I love miltank

[stuck bane]

Luvdisc probably, Volbeat illumise, anything that made the bottom 5 or whatever last time we did this vote

[hazy fable]

miltank is good as base, the fusions were just pushing the boundaries sometimes

[rugged temple]

I will never give Volbeat or illumise any points higher than the lowest

[steel meadow]

Luvdisc and alomamola are definetly worse

[rain locust]

also shit like the pikaclones

[rugged temple]

I will pay artists to draw better firefly pokemon and I HAVE

[steel meadow]

For some reason i dont dislike volbeat

[molten latch]

Same

[stuck bane]

But alo is above disc right?

[steel meadow]

yesm

[stuck bane]

Ok we cool

[steel meadow]

cuz it has decent stats

and stuffs

[rugged temple]

They should have just made luvdisc evolve into alomola

[hazy fable]

fr

[molten latch]

Its Game Freak's fault

[rugged temple]

It was a mistake not to do it

[stuck bane]

We’ve had this convo, unless you got a Time Machine tough luck

[molten latch]

Ok

BTW

[lament wedge]

The hardest pokemon to add would be Castform

[molten latch]

Why does nobody talked about Shiftry again?

[civic harness]

Why?

Some people want it

[rain locust]

Shitry

[stuck bane]

Mechanically or sprite wise?

[lament wedge]

Idk, Nuzleaf's my favorite pokemon

[molten latch]

Nice

[lament wedge]

Mechanically

[civic harness]

And the forms already exist thanks to Necorzma

[civic harness]

Well, not really

[lament wedge]

The weather system I feel would be difficult to impliment

Unless he had very specific moves that switched his form

[rain locust]

it wouldnt if forecast is in many games

[rugged temple]

Anyone who says castform has boobs is the same person who'd make questionable miltank sprites

[molten latch]

Also, the main reason is that Castform breaks rule 2.

[rugged temple]

I just throwing that out there

[lament wedge]

Lol

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah right weather system is broken right now so in game it would probably be the biggest hassle since he has to add 4 forms and fix weather in game

[rain locust]

fix weather how

[lament wedge]

Indeed

[stuck bane]

You showdown people are fine, but in the actual downloadable game weather is broken, idk the details but it don’t work well

[rain locust]

huh

was unaware

[civic harness]

Or maybe anime girls fan

[molten latch]

Castform is cute but there's something wrong with it.

No joke.

[rain locust]

im a balls fan

[lament wedge]

I just always thought Castform was kinda boring

[rugged temple]

It's based on a thing in JP where you make a cloth doll to ward away rain

[rain locust]

[lament wedge]

The idea's interesting but mostly it just seemed kinda hard to use

[rain locust]

its a bad gimmick

you could simply use a good weather abuser

[rugged temple]

Its cute is all

[molten latch]

Make sense, but it was executed poorly.

[stuck bane]

No it’s not, I know what you’re talking about and it’s not for rain it’s for spirits. Castform is just a poorly designed hydrogen molecule

[molten latch]

Castform's. . . Things are meant to be hands.

How on earth are these hands!?

[lament wedge]

No clue

[molten latch]

[rugged temple]

In the same way ledyba has hands

[rain locust]

says it might be based on a doll

[molten latch]

Indeed

No wonder why it looked like gloves.

Castform could've looked like Shuppet

[stuck bane]

Well damn if we’re talking about these things my Japanese teacher was wrong then because we made these in class

[molten latch]

This makes sense as an Inspiration.

Castform could've been like this.

But I understand that Gen 3 wasn't the strongest design at the start. I mean some pokemon designs on Gen 3 have done right like the Treecko line or the Weather Trio.

[weak trellis]

tbh that almost feels more like an evolution than a redesign. I approve tho

[molten loom]

I 100% prefer those designs

But I see a certain weather missing still

[weak trellis]

I do remember that vega's castform sub was more teru-based with the gag that its "forms" were just the sprite being at different angles

[prime dust]

that's everything

there's only 3 weather forms

[molten loom]

Yeah ik

[rain locust]

they mean add one for delta stream

[molten loom]

I mean I meant sandstorm but sure

[hardy tartan]

[hops in 15 minutes late with coffee] So what's the mood look like vote-wise?

[timber spear]

Castform is a interesting pokemon

I would be a neet eevee fusion tho

[hardy tartan]

also, do we know how the votes will be weighted? like whether a 3 vote would just count as three votes or if there'll be a specific way the votes will be counted?

like all the 3 votes will be counted first, then all the 2 votes, etc?

[prime dust]

probably the latter but we don't know

the only thing we have to go on to show votes is the old post frog made about the starters getting disqualified from the previous round

and even that was %

not actual "hey here's how many votes it got"

[civic harness]

Yes, yes it is

[proud lion]

I’m hoping the Unova “Starters” are added as a Frog choice for the funni.

||It would have worked as an April Fools joke||

[prime dust]

nah just specifically the tepig line to mess with people

so we can finally have all the fire/fighting starters

and also so some spriter can make an Uncle Iroh sprite for Emboar

[ashen belfry]

Spheal

[proud lion]

Popplio Raffle moment

||I was also referring to monki||

[high haven]

Yeah that was an odd choice by themselves

[flint tiger]

gotta make sure the electric squirrel gets in

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[left plover]

It's been a year since I've played, what Pokemon aren't in yet?

[stuck bane]

There’s a tier list in pins, all of those

[sweet spoke]

What swear will you choose

[civic harness]

Im asking for something again

[ember bear]

ig crabrawler is just this vote's bruxish

[civic harness]

Why?

[ember bear]

well it ain't the prettiest of the vote

[civic harness]

And?

[worldly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-refresh-crabominable-gif-25043982

[ember bear]

and tbh idk

even bruxish kinda had more to offer

[stuck bane]

Crabo is def similar, both were told they’re extremely ugly, both bring new mechanical aspects (dazzling and ice hammer)

[ember bear]

isn't ice hammer already available with some tutors anyway

[stuck bane]

I think if it’s an ice type that learns hammer arm… so extremely limited

[weak trellis]

crab does have two rare typings as well

while brux has two of the most common ones in IF

[civic harness]

How?

[terse fable]

saying a mon has more to offer or not is subjective anyway, any spriter with good skilll and creativity can make a good sprite for a fusion, even the monkeys have gotten love, hell even luvdisc

[stuck bane]

Sprite potential comes from the spriter, not the Mon

[ember bear]

as already mentioned, dazzling, but also having some niches with strong jaw and decent bite moves, like it's signature move psychic fangs

[stuck bane]

Crabominable adds more fighting types and ice types, only fighting and ice type with hyper cutter, only ice type with iron fist, also only ice type with anger point, and we’ve talked about ice hammer already.

Same things can be said

[rain locust]

dazzling made it really splashable in doubles

thats it though

[ember bear]

meh, it is a slow ice tho

[stuck bane]

Both are seemingly ugly, both have unique moves, both bring good abilities

[stuck bane]

Same argument, fusion can give it actual stats that’s why we want it

[rain locust]

crab bringing good abils is incredibly debatable

[ember bear]

iron fist

and that's it

[stuck bane]

Are hyper cutter iron fist and anger point bad abilities?

I thought I remembered anger point being good

[ember bear]

2 of them are highly situational

[rain locust]

hyper cutter and anger point are bad

[hexed agate]

anger point has its moments

[rain locust]

iron fist is soooooo mid

[hexed agate]

not with my vital throw tyrogue

[ember bear]

well hc has a niche in preventing intimidate

[rain locust]

what is bro wafflin about

vital throw

[ember bear]

does it just crit itself or what

[hexed agate]

doubles privilege

get something else to crit you

[ember bear]

skull

[hexed agate]

[rain locust]

vital throw is the -1 prio 70 bp move

storm throw always crits

[hexed agate]

yeah, that one

[thin yoke]

i will say the f word (frick)

[sweet spoke]

Amazing

[iron axle]

Think about castform. You could have 4 options for secondary types!

[quartz shell]

more Nazca/Navajo/Southwestern Pokemon, more, I wanna design crazy shit

[stone cliff]

Just popping in to say "Ludicolo"

[timber spear]

Firetruck

[thin yoke]

woah

calm your fircken laungue dude

not swag

[buoyant frigate]

Id love to see Kommo-O

And Dragapult, if I am honest.

[proud bluff]

I want Lurantis or Malamar, but I just really like Contrary

Is there a Contrary user already? Shuckle gets it right or am i wafflin

[outer matrix]

Pretty much shuckle is the only one with contrary in the game atm

But for Non-IF: spinda and the snivy line also have it

[hollow creek]

3 days until kommo o is in IF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBhteB4ETc4

[grave jolt]

Unfortunately Dragapult is gen 8 😦

[ornate tide]

Another day another dollar

Or vote golisopod 🤷

[rain locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137892936915361942/1277704256060657724/Media1_online-video-cutter.com.mov?ex=66ce2251&is=66ccd0d1&hm=2e0a65fd11283cd3fc02588f8584ab1c9a24ae267ac981e7c51788e85231f167&

[hollow creek]

binkeee

[thin yoke]

dragapult would be sick ngl

[hollow creek]

dragapult is better than kommo o ngl

Wasnt a huge fan at first but I honestly like it a lot more than most of psuedos

If you could choose 3 lines for IF other than the starters who would you choose

For me it'd be esicue, dragapult and falinks

[unkempt kernel]

Yamper (Not Bolthund), Snom and..............Toxtricity

[hollow creek]

toxtricity would be nice

Gen 8's pokdex gets way too much hate

[unkempt kernel]

Those are probs my 3 faves from it

[hollow creek]

frosmoth always looked like just a white volcarona to me

[unkempt kernel]

Snom and Tox would be the full lines, then Yamper is just Yamper so i cave a corgi (Bolthund is a greyhound iirc)

[rain locust]

cram corv coal

[fathom ridge]

The regional forms are the best designs in gen 8 IMO, other than that I would chose alcreame and falink

[stuck bane]

Damn, now that I look at the full line up, Gen 8 was absolute ass, I’m struggling to think of more than 2! Alcremie, hatterene, and…idk copperajah?

[hollow creek]

im assuming because coalossal has that ability that makes it go fast from water attacks

[hollow creek]

Runeigurus is in my top 10 ever, they nailed it in gen 8 with the regionals

[stuck bane]

Yeah but also the regionals are like a third of that whole region so

[fathom ridge]

The fossils are also very funny and dracovish is iconic

[stuck bane]

Maybe not that much but still, nearly two full rows of regionals, more than two if we include the “legendary” birds

[velvet root]

Didnt the water moves still hit it

[fathom ridge]

Corviknight is sick tho

[velvet root]

Unpopular opinion
I really like inteleon

[hollow creek]

I didnt use coalossal in my playthrough so I forget

that is in fact an unpopular opinion

[cobalt river]

polteageist would be so fun to work w as a head... could honestly be a fun one as a body too- pallossand bodies for buildings, rotom bodies for electronics, polteageist bodies for random smaller household objects

[velvet root]

Like I see when you dont like him ingame
But when you see him in the anime he is cool

https://tenor.com/view/intely-inteleon-snipeshot-pocketmonsters-pokémon-gif-24017431

[hollow creek]

oh shit i forgot about poltegiest

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/intely-cutie-inteleon-aqua-break-gif-24017520

[hollow creek]

poltea would be awesome in inf

[hollow creek]

If it was just a notch less humanoid I would like it

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/inteleon-intely-pokemon-sword-giganta-max-gif-24384306

• he has a sniper canon

[fathom ridge]

I really like inteleon in a vacuum but sobble should have evolved into something else

[velvet root]

I see that point

[velvet root]

Like any of the fanart evos before release

[rain locust]

no bc coal is a fat fire

[fathom ridge]

Maybe

[hollow creek]

That is true, we could all use a coal kaiju

[unkempt kernel]

I liked it too, Sobble was just a lil guy and then he turns into cool sniper lizard, so i picked it, wish it was dual typed tho

[unkempt kernel]

Eh, i think water ghost would have been better

[fathom ridge]

The last one is kinda weird but yeah

[velvet root]

Dark or Ghost would have been cool

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah, i'd say ghost cus of the invis stuff, since its based on spies / james bond

[velvet root]

True

[unkempt kernel]

Not sure what Cinderace and Rillaboom's secondary types would be

[fathom ridge]

Fighting on both

[rain locust]

not the 4th fire fighting

[velvet root]

Also a pose like the second pic would have made inteleon pretty popular
Just its normal designe but bit more flesh and yeah

[velvet root]

Fighting and fighting

[unkempt kernel]

Nah, i see fight on rilla tho, maybe rock for cinderace since pyroball's animation has it kick a stone

[fathom ridge]

ikr thank god it was just pure fire

[velvet root]

Now I remember the fighting speculations

[fathom ridge]

Gen 8 has the most humanoid trio and when you put the 3 together is kinda weird

[deft obsidian]

3rd one looks like haxorus but
Second one is awesome
All of them are better than game freak design lol

[velvet root]

I think its always dumb when people are mad about Rillaboom being humanoid
Like NO SHIT its a ape

[fathom ridge]

That really a stretch, maybe fire/normal

[fathom ridge]

Monki

[velvet root]

Fire Ground could work with Cinderace ngl

[unkempt kernel]

Eh maybe, but that puts it ata disadvantage to the other two if they were water gost and grass fight

[fathom ridge]

I have no problem letting him die

[deft obsidian]

Normal fire because fur

[unkempt kernel]

I see you are not a cinderace enjoyer

[velvet root]

Fire/Flying cuz its Gigantamax has huge ears

[fathom ridge]

Okay that’s a bigger stretch than the rock one

Maybe one of the trio will get new forms in legends ZA

[velvet root]

Ngl there are 2 starters I really dislike
(Mainly cuz of the final form)

Delphox and The dancing duck

[deft obsidian]

I hope, because they current design sucks

[fathom ridge]

Fair

[velvet root]

I saw a vid about the ZA starters

[silk cobalt]

quaquaval would be fine for me if it wasn't ALWAYS doing the dance in its battle animation

[fathom ridge]

Fuecoco was cool tho

[velvet root]

You guys remember one of the first hisui packs that showed Rowlet, Cyndaquill and Oshawott on the cover

[fathom ridge]

Sprigatito didn’t stay on four legs

[fathom ridge]

It was a little crazy ngl

[velvet root]

Well the TCG part from pokemon showed a future pack with Totodile, Turtwig and Litten was it I think

[fathom ridge]

Litten? Oh god

[hollow creek]

These are all awesome

[velvet root]

Maybe a redemption arc for the designe

[rugged temple]

This is quite literally what I was talking about lmao

[inland geyser]

My Main Entry for the Concept Contest

[silent acorn]

Ah neat

[silent acorn]

The concept is just drawings or blueprints?

Like drafts and doodles?

[inland geyser]

Both I guess

[silent acorn]

I love that Torterra fusion

I dont normally like Buizel as a candidate but this one is great

[inland geyser]

Same!!!

I was thinking of mons that I could use from IF that would allow me to make baby pokemon

Torterra is natural choice

[silent acorn]

That's a cool marinie Bisharp you have

[silent acorn]

Torterra is just brilliant for making Enviormental pokemon

[spiral musk]

might as well show my entries as well

[hollow creek]

Binkeeee

[hollow creek]

I really hope this wins ngl

[silent acorn]

I didn't give Carbink much since it is a candidate on the election

But Mienshao is my champ for fighting

It's my main candidate for that

[inland geyser]

That means a lot to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[silent acorn]

It gets Regenerator, looks great, has excellent moves and great stats

Only drag is level but Mienfoo has 60 bst attack to hang around for a good while

[stuck bane]

Sad it doesn’t have a chance, Mienshao could’ve been so much fun and the current sprites prove it

[spiral musk]

I don't hear people talk about it much 😔

[weak trellis]

at least we have mist stones in IF

[inland geyser]

Now to move to concept number 2, Cryogonal/Rayquaza

in this style

[hollow creek]

I am not the biggest fan in meinshaou

[spiral musk]

uuuh that's steelix

[silent acorn]

People aren't based

[weak trellis]

so any mon can evolve at level 35-38 if you wish but only once

[silent acorn]

I feel like the body could be more crystalline like the middle segment

[weak trellis]

my opinion on cryogonal:

[silent acorn]

But it looks great

Heh

[weak trellis]

ice type with levitate. hm hm hm hm.

[silent acorn]

I mean levitate is nice

[inland geyser]

yes! This was an experiment pic to nail down the style for cryogonal heads

[weak trellis]

(positive lol)

[hollow creek]

Idk the little floatzel sliding into the pool is peak though

And the other on the slide

[inland geyser]

like this lil freak

[stuck bane]

Cryogonal: snowflake fusions, and one of the highest special defense stats in the game, as well as a good special attack and speed, and the only ice type (besides frost rotom) with access to levitate, also the only ice type with access to bind (for some reason), and the only pure ice type with natural access to night slash, and the only non-legendary pure ice type with access to ancient power, and the only pure ice type with access to confuse ray

[weak trellis]

since anything that's ice, fighting, fairy, or electric is an instant plus for me (the reverse is true for water, psychic, and flying)

[hollow creek]

I’ve seen some badass concepts but none were as clever and cute then that

[silent acorn]

yeah sadly Mienshao gets wayyyy less rep than Tropius for this

[spiral musk]

lemme guess cryogonal/groudon

[stuck bane]

I mean, it’s got special defense that could be fun to play with, and snowflake fusions, but those are the only real main points beyond niche

[silent acorn]

and this is because I am eh on tropius

Wait lemme get my crazy person document

There it is

Yeah Mienshao is on absolutely fantastic

Carbink is on ease of use because Crystal is really good

Cryogonal is on ease of use because well it has nice texture but you gotta think out how to make use of it

[weak trellis]

id swap spinda and dedenne but looks fine otherwise

unless you want contrary that badly

[silent acorn]

I do

I am ultra pro contrary

Infernape is my fav and any contrary user will make it my day when I use close combat

[stuck bane]

Oh this is including mechanical reasons? Then bump up audino it’s got regenerator

[silent acorn]

No

Mienshao has that niche better

Audino has no moves that deal with switching out

Also I don't really like it

[weak trellis]

I'm assuming one that doesn't tank your stats like shuckle does atm

[silent acorn]

Out of many unova mons it got the Mega upgrade because it was lackluster originally

[silent acorn]

Shuckle is great I like it

It's weird

[inland geyser]

@spiral musk what do you think of the sizing of this pose im customing

using Johllys perspective to make it

[silent acorn]

Not quite goofy just weird

Weird is great

[weak trellis]

yea I used something similar with shuckle/bewear in mono-fighting but I can see with ape too

[silent acorn]

Goofy.... I grew out of that

Anyway

It's not that dedenne is bad

It's just the pika clones aren't the necessity they were in the last vote

They are usually mono stage

[weak trellis]

makes sense since ded's hard carried by its type for me

[silent acorn]

So in this vote where it is one, might as well get a big fish

[stuck bane]

Ok then what about Bouffalant and Watchog, bouffalant just brings better double edge

[silent acorn]

It's...

I find bison and Buffalo nice but...

[weak trellis]

tbh I'd vote watchog over exploud but

[stuck bane]

Yeah scratch watchog I was gonna say watchinja but that has no comp use and no real in game use

[silent acorn]

And afro and horns are most I see out of it

[weak trellis]

if there's any mon I don't wanna give the spriters above all else its exploud

[spiral musk]

actual cryogonal/rayquaza
I think it's a good start, hart to tell without the end of the tail

[silent acorn]

Why is that?

[stuck bane]

Why, will exploud bring something bad?

[silent acorn]

I think it's fine being sound themed

[weak trellis]

m o u t h s

[silent acorn]

I mean

Guzzlord

[weak trellis]

fair

[silent acorn]

Gulpin

[stuck bane]

That won’t be nearly as bad as skuntank or castform

[silent acorn]

Victreebel

Muk

[weak trellis]

also nice vanillixe high up

[silent acorn]

Skuntank is kinda middle for me

Drapion is where sinnoh poison dark is for me

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah vanilluxe is there

[stuck bane]

Don’t tell me you actually gave points to fart fusions spriters are gonna ruin him

[silent acorn]

Mostly because of stockholm syndrome with a moemon hack

[stuck bane]

Also is drapion the last dark from sinnoh?

[silent acorn]

... No

[silent acorn]

Yes

The last good one too

[stuck bane]

Damn fair I’ll bump him up

[silent acorn]

I just like it

Thing is before fighting wake you go to swamp right?

In sinnoh

That's where you find tropius

BUT you also find Scorupi

Which doesn't look like much at first

Poison/bug

In Sinnoh most of the bugs kinda let you down

Weird gimmicks, weird typyings, pretty underpowered

[stuck bane]

Wait nm I just realized skuntank is also dark, but honestly I think an exception can be made to say “the last dark type from sinnoh, besides skuntank”

[silent acorn]

Besides Skunk

See out of the sinnoh bugs I only like Vespiquen and scorupi

[stuck bane]

Forgive brain not working I just got off work and am starving

[silent acorn]

Specially when I arrived at the league and found out what it evolved into

Lemme see

[old kayak]

No same

[silent acorn]

I know right?

Everyone likes the cricket but my guy it let's you down real quick

Liking it for the cry alone is a pretty meh reason to me

[hardy tartan]

Just for funzies
What’s a ‘mon not on the ballot you want in?
(Excluding legends, mythicals, and starters, obv)

[silent acorn]

Diancie

Or Hoopa

[silent acorn]

Not on the ballot... Hmm which tho

Ah

[stuck bane]

Delelewoop is funny, but that’s about it, I agree on this statement

[silent acorn]

Hatterene and Falinks

I'd think falink fusions would be fun just because they would function similar to dugtrio

Where it's a bunch of little guys with the same designs

Imagine you fuse arceus and Falinks and you get the creation gang

[velvet root]

Still have to find out what I do with Tropius, Scrafty and Wimpod

[silent acorn]

This is with me not playing Gen 9 by the way

[silent acorn]

Fuse Wimpod with Qwilfish

[stuck bane]

Missingno is the only correct answer here

[silent acorn]

Glitchy mon sprites

[silent acorn]

Throw tropius in the incinerator

[bitter comet]

Horrifying sprites

[velvet root]

nah

I have to do the last 3 mons

[hardy tartan]

🤔 tropius/incineroar?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-desert-eagle-reload-gun-pistol-resident-evil-hunk-gif-10041949165687290897

Yes you will

[stuck bane]

Nah but like actually just copy paste the stats it has from RBG it would be so funny, I think it’s flying only, has some crazy stats, and has an absurd weight

[velvet root]

I made those yesterday

[silent acorn]

Actually jokes aside fire is what I see working with it the most

[velvet root]

these like a week ago or so

[silent acorn]

Fuse it with my most loved pokemon