pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

As is Tinted Lens

[edgy dune]

Nice. Wish the calculator was updated for all the new mons

[clear lichen]

It is to be noted that even Yanmega is better than what is probably the 2nd best Quiver Dancer in Venomoth

[rain locust]

clefable can still wall it as well as general spd fatmons like ttar

[clear lichen]

And Yanmega doesn't get Quiver Dance

[velvet root]

Crawdaunt line is a sick option for the winners

[clear lichen]

Common Ttar W

[hollow creek]

fatmon

[clear lichen]

Good to see IF is still less powercrept than Gen 9 even while making your own ideal fakemons

(Mostly ideal at least)

(And somewhat limited because its fusion)

I'd assume most fatmons can't withstand too many hits though

Unless they have reliable reco- wait a fucking minute

Oh

Right

Reliable recovery isn't exactly a rarity here

Volcarona has everything it needs except a way to break past Flash Fire Fire/Steels and hazard immunity so I can't say I'm surprised that giving it both makes it broken

Not quite hazard immunity tbf

[rain locust]

252+ SpA Life Orb hydreigonyanmega Oblivion Wing vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD clefabletoxapex: 122-146 (33.5 - 40.1%) -- 35.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[clear lichen]

But idk 4× weakness to ideally a neutrality is basically that

[clear lichen]

Yikes

That's an abomination of a Pokemon

And it gets Recover too

And Toxic

[rain locust]

252+ SpA Life Orb hydreigonyanmega Oblivion Wing vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD tyranitarcelebi in Sand: 87-103 (21.5 - 25.4%) -- 0.2% chance to 4HKO

[clear lichen]

Sand SpD boost clutch

[rain locust]

i keep requesting a sprite for ttar celebi but nobody takes it

[proud lion]

Just saw the update: More Ash representation

[hexed agate]

I'll try it, DM me the fusion so that I don't forget

[rain locust]

cool

[clear lichen]

Who cares about Ash

Fuck it we Rain Boosted Choice Band Crabhammer

Agency Representation fr

[rain locust]

Banning Craw Now

252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability crawdauntmeloettapirouette Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def clefabletoxapex in Rain: 147-174 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[deft trout]

Adaptability Water/Steel with Dragon Dance boutta be nuts

[rain locust]

thats walled by waters

melop isnt

[deft trout]

Not if it's Crawdaunt/Ferrothorn

And then you can slap on Power Whip or Seed Bomb

[rain locust]

so you have glacial speed and get outsped by any attacker

[deft trout]

With enough boosts from Dragon Dance

You can do anything

[rain locust]

you dont get the chance to do that bc they swapped their water in threatening to burn or their ground/fighting threatening to ohko you

[deft trout]

If they got a Fighting type that kos through Ferros defense then hot damn

Also I don't do much comp

I don't know the Meta

[rain locust]

fusing craw with ferro yields a mere 66/115 physdef

ferro isnt actually that bulky its typing carries it

[deft trout]

Dang

[hexed agate]

what does Steelix/Crawdaunt look like

and does it get Gyro

[rain locust]

yes but also a lot of walls are slow

[hexed agate]

adapt Gyro would be pretty great though

[deft trout]

Crawdaunt/Registeel?

[rain locust]

252+ Atk Metal Coat Adaptability steelixcrawdaunt Gyro Ball (36 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def clefabletoxapex: 56-68 (15.3 - 18.6%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery

[hexed agate]

💀

[deft trout]

We hate the Pex

Smh

[hexed agate]

even with negative speed?

[rain locust]

yes this is minimum speed

[deft trout]

Iron Ball Meta

[rain locust]

this would be by far the best set

fitting that the teambuilder thinks its rayquaza it hits bascially as hard

[hexed agate]

I don't doubt it, just trying to find alternatives

[deft trout]

Also maybe Crawdaunt/Lucario could be fire

It's Mega Lucario lite

But with a better defensive type

[rain locust]

much worse offensive type

dont see it taking off

[deft trout]

What types are popular anyways
I feel like Fairy, Water, Steel, Ground is popular but I could be tripping

[rain locust]

those are popular

[hexed agate]

Granbull is not a good pokemon, but a adapt play rough would hurt

do we have any other physical fairies yet?

[rain locust]

no

[deft trout]

Smh what do you mean Hutsle Togekiss/Slaking isn't meta

Also Azumarills there but that's mostly physical cause Huge Power

And even then that transfers Water type since you want a strong body most of the time

[molten loom]

I mean mawile is a physical fairy type

[rain locust]

its also v bad

[molten loom]

Not the highest stats, but its still a physical one

[fathom ridge]

Is mymikyu good with its ability?

[rain locust]

disguise is banned so no

[clear lichen]

Not even the first Water/Fighting Meloetta-P fusion that'd be probably the best set for the water type

[deft trout]

Figures, IF Disguise is busted

[clear lichen]

Gen 7 Disguise moment

[deft trout]

Well it's also an in game thing

Where it's stronger then Gen 7

[clear lichen]

They gave Mimikyu subpar stats for this reason

[deft trout]

Cause for some reason, it resets upon switch

Least, it did in my playthrough

[feral bear]

Girl corphish?????

I sleep

[clear lichen]

OK I checked and apparently it resetting is an IF only thing

[rain locust]

yes

[clear lichen]

Why they decided to buff it, I have no clue

[deft trout]

Might not be intentional

[rain locust]

idk how youd accidentally code that into existence

[deft trout]

Or that it would mess other things up if they fixed it

[clear lichen]

I love how I say Mimikyu's stats are subpar but it's honestly better than most if not all of the other pika clones

Pika clone moment

[rain locust]

its definitely better than every other clone

you could only argue pawmot might be better

[clear lichen]

Mimicking a 2nd stage Pokemon with the BST of a 1st stage is a bad idea, as it turns out

[clear lichen]

In terms of raw stats, I'd say so

[deft trout]

Rabsca would probably be the better Revival Blessing mon

But Pawmot is still pretty good

[silent acorn]

I am fine with Mr. Craws, has Gen 3 advantage

Yes I said it I am nostalgic

That and I just enjoyed Corcor

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-battle-frontier-swellow-corphish-arcanine-gif-22103288

[civic harness]

Well

Crawdaunt

Is in the special votes

[silent acorn]

Downgrade

To

X

[civic harness]

What?

[snow scroll]

so far, no one's voted for the same mon twice

seven more shots to make it count

or the dev will

[civic harness]

What do you mean?

[rain locust]

idt frog would even let you vote for the same mon twice

bc what would that mean

[silent acorn]

Just kidding, Ill leave at what it is

[silent acorn]

I have at like 2 or 3 I don't remember, but it has points

[civic harness]

I just say that Crawdaunt did it

[silent acorn]

Just in case

[civic harness]

Whats wrong with that?

[silent acorn]

I'd be like "man why give it points when it's there" kinda like slurpuff being pretty high chance at special vote so may as well deduct points for something

But nah not gonna do it

Just gonna keep it at it's current points

[inland jewel]

Think of it as if it doesn’t win special vote at least it can do well in main

[silent acorn]

I like corcor and I don't mind pelippors

[inland jewel]

Like I wonder if we had a winner but people downvoting Mon from special vote shifted things around

[civic harness]

And why X?

[silent acorn]

Suspense

[civic harness]

Oh

Well

[silent acorn]

Anyway

Stuff I support and not stays the same

[civic harness]

Crawdaunt is good

[silent acorn]

Banana Dino is a lost cause on me

It can get in but eh

I dont personally support it

[inland geyser]

I have a fusion idea that will shock the world ||Regice/Avalugg||

What would that even be? The same thing but with straighter lines and yellow instead of pink?

https://tenor.com/view/workout-avalugg-pokemon-lifting-gif-22448974

https://tenor.com/view/regice-gif-27202497

[spiral musk]

what about avalugg/regice

[deft trout]

Regice/Avalugg is the iceberg that sunk Titanic

Or better
The lore iceberg

[inland geyser]

Regice but i dropped it a few times

[dry fiber]

No way I'm not the only one that cares about avalug?

Based

[bitter comet]

I want ice table ✨

[deft trout]

Avalugg could be cool

Literally

But idk if it'll be good enough

Some people might not like making bodies of it because of its clunky body

[silk cobalt]

some mons im avoiding bc there's already an incredibly similar pokemon already out. like we have a water/dark type, and if you want the high attack you have kingler too

[deft trout]

And there's already a low amount of Regice since ice textures aren't popular

[silk cobalt]

aren't popular or just hard to do

[deft trout]

We do need more ice types tho

[silk cobalt]

i don't disagree

[deft trout]

And a High Defense Ice Type would be unique

But if we're getting a Bulky ice I'd rather Walrein

[silk cobalt]

Spheal Fusions would be so immensely popular

I'm also praying my boy Pangoro can squeeze in. I just love the guy

[deft trout]

Voltorb was I believe first mon to reach 100%

People love them spheres

[silk cobalt]

me, being the only one who wants relicanth too 🙏

[deft trout]

I'm the only Seismitoad stan

We are in the same boat

[civic harness]

Sphere attack

[silk cobalt]

Vespiquen would be cool

nice bug type

[deft trout]

Eeeehhhhhhhh

It's unique moves are nice

But we already have a lot of Bug Flying

[silk cobalt]

quagsire already being in hurts

[deft trout]

Quag and Swampert

[silk cobalt]

yeah

[silent acorn]

Nah Pory the Mod also believes in that one

[deft trout]

But Seismitoad would be a Ground type Swift Swim

[silk cobalt]

dewpider would be cool
it's not at the top of my list but i can see a lot of unique ones

[deft trout]

And has a really unique moveset

[silk cobalt]

@hexed agate MY BOY

[hexed agate]

all by yourself, huh

[silent acorn]

Pfff

He been watchin

[deft trout]

Ik Relicanth has fans

Seismitoad don't

[silk cobalt]

Oh, I forgot, I have Scrafty line up there too. Unique type combinations + abilities, I could see use in a casual or even more hardcore playthrough

[hexed agate]

I like my boy Seismis tod

[deft trout]

Iz just me in my little corner

[silent acorn]

I dunno man. It weird to me

[silk cobalt]

Normally i see seismitoad fans if they had one on their team

like in their past

[hexed agate]

I like the frog mons

[deft trout]

Frog is good

Ain't that right
ats Frogzilla

[hexed agate]

I'm running a Poliwhirl atm in my PIF run

[deft trout]

Nah I'm not cool enough

[silent acorn]

I like Toxicroak the most, I like Seismitoad better than Greninja

[silk cobalt]

Tropius I really want for aesthetics and it FINALLY getting some love. it gets so much shaft man

Toxicroak i think i have really high up too

[silent acorn]

Because... Its not that good and it's usually midgame?

[cobalt quartz]

PLEASE i just want my boy to have decent stats

[silk cobalt]

yeahhh

it's always in this weird spot

[silent acorn]

Like tropius is underrated for the purpose that much like Maractus you have to go out of your way for it

[silk cobalt]

kind of, maractus you go out of your way but it's common
sigilyph is def going out of your way, especially since it has whirlwind at the time you see it too

im really scared if gogoat gets in. it's one of the only mons where the males learn milk drink and i can see the cursed milktank gogoat fusions

[snow scroll]

castform......

[silent acorn]

I think my main dislike of tropius is it being an unspecialized mon

Has good HP

But it has no business being undecided between Spatk and Attack

[quiet crow]

maractus has a better ability

same with cacturne

both would fill a nieche

[silent acorn]

In general maractus is better

Actually scratch that

[quiet crow]

depends what you fuse it with and what weather your using

[silent acorn]

It's another undecided Mixed attacker

But it's Spatk is atleast very usable

[quiet crow]

stats kinda suck

[silk cobalt]

i don't even think it's gimmick will work will it

[quiet crow]

we alr have some weatherball users

[silent acorn]

And really good ones actually

[quiet crow]

i want torkoal btw

[ember bear]

tbf

[silk cobalt]

torkoal's cool

[ember bear]

how would castform work

[silk cobalt]

Bronzong's really unique, I'd be interested in seeing what it could do

yeah like i doubt the appearance would change

[quiet crow]

sharpness hidden ability on gallade also needs to be a thing

[silent acorn]

It can use weather ball

Pretty neat

[ember bear]

like would it replace one of the types or just make it monotype

[quiet crow]

too op

[snow scroll]

I mean, there's not much of a point in adding it if it doesn't work 💀

[quiet crow]

levitate steel is alr op

[silk cobalt]

as if we didn't add some broken dragon and fairy types already

[snow scroll]

castform's whole thing is weather changes

[silent acorn]

Almost everyone thinks Magnetite gets levitate but in reality it's other mons

[quiet crow]

not so much tbh

[silent acorn]

Bronzong is a really good Levitate User

[quiet crow]

the best fairy drag is pixilate noivern

no special dragons

and phys dragon fusions are usually underwhelming

[silent acorn]

All dragons are special

[high haven]

I've finally sketched it out.

[civic harness]

Is just awesome

[rain locust]

idt bronzong would be v good

[quiet crow]

too good

i can only fear bronzong togekiss

[rain locust]

so steel flying levitate

[quiet crow]

no

steel fairy

levitate or serene grace

in trick room presumably

[rain locust]

bronzong is steel psychic

togekiss is fairy flying

there is no way you can make a steel fairy

[quiet crow]

oh truee

nyoooo

damn i forgot

i was thinking psy steel

idk why

[inland jewel]

reminder to all my bad bst mon fans out there.

Trying to get our favorite mons in isn't about making good fusions. its about making our bad mons usable

[rancid drift]

Add emogla

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-emolga-cute-anime-gif-23364796

[silk cobalt]

yoooooo

[quiet crow]

ill disagree here

finding weaker pokemon with niches to make the good fusions should be the idea

shedinja is an obvious example

abilities aside alot of moves can be obscene on the right mon

[glass patio]

rahhh shedinja mentioned 🗣️🔥

[bitter comet]

Remind me of that one monster from monster Hunter that has a blade as a tail, can’t remember the name rn

[inland jewel]

nah but i can usually never use Masquerain in a regular playthrough

Decatty is another example

Some down bad stats that make them unusable

but in PIF we can fuse them and they can finally do something

now while high BST mons and fusion niches are nice, some people just want usable mons

like, so many people are running unown and smeargle when they'd never do that

[rain locust]

this is why you vote CARBINK or GOLISOPOD.

[quiet crow]

golisopod isnt even weak

and yes itll slap

sheer force life orb feraligatr golisopod with 70% dmg boost stab 1st impression

[rain locust]

it sucks in vanilla

fimp isnt boosted by sheer force

[quiet crow]

i just realised

sadge

i thought it had flinch chance

[quiet crow]

vanilla sucks because of mediocre abilities

still has some strong mons tho

nido gyara pre gym 2

vileplume and arcanine pre gym 3

no lucario sucks the most

then it gets pretty easy after gym 1

[spiral musk]

where zweilous

[coarse karma]

these are all made by @radiant briar

[spiral musk]

also the walrein/deino is like

[inland jewel]

when you can get the full walrein line before deino even evolves

[inland geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/buizel-cute-hand-tail-wag-gif-24412303

[terse fable]

Just saw Boshi added Crawdaunt to winners poll, based af

[alpine rune]

Adaptability Crabhammer

[terse fable]

I just want to see some fire fusions with itt, feel like Crawdaunt with Scizor would be cool if it already hasn't been done

[radiant briar]

Is the sphealgenda back in full swing? 👀

[median pivot]

Just remembered I had made a Torchic Corphish fusion way back when so I was ahead of the game with this vote.

[high haven]

Yeah! The Glavanous

[twin phoenix]

CORPHISH?!

That is a rather interesting choice. This means more crustaceans, more shell texture, more beach sprites.

Another dark type, more Crabhammer, and I think the HA is Adaptability which is strong.

I guess that's fine.

[median pivot]

Plus it gives me an excuse to fuse my favorite Water Dark type Pokemon, Crawdaunt and Sharpedo.

[twin phoenix]

It even has a pink base shiny until it evolves.

[median pivot]

Oh yeah I already did a Carvanha fusion with Corphish.

Even made a base sprite for the little shellfish.

[willow anchor]

I support this message

[silent acorn]

The less hateable crab

[barren lion]

just saw the newest pick for the second vote. Crawdaunt is not a bad choice at all. Has some epic fusion potential!

[glass patio]

I forgor what crawdaunt looked like

[glass patio]

nvm i rember now i looked it up

[barren lion]

crab fusions are always fun potential

[civic harness]

And what about Crabomimable?

[finite reef]

Crawdaunt is a lobster crawfish, not a crab

[glass patio]

what about minior my favorite crab pokemon

[civic harness]

Crab pinzer pokemon

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-alola-generation-7-rainbow-gif-10225141253802949564

crab

[silent acorn]

Quick question guys

There was a mod to modify how stats are calculated right?

[glass patio]

ok it’s a crab now

[coarse karma]

Yup, we're getting another Pokemon/line added after the poll closes on the 29th. Plus 1 more pokemon randomly chosen from one of the contest winners after that.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1109368042535792721/1219050188195364934/IMB_rvYguC.gif

[glass patio]

spherical

[crimson robin]

Not randomly chosen. It's a vote, not a raffle. All of the contest winners will vote on the pokemon chosen by them.

[barren lion]

Also interested in that for the fusion potential tbh

[civic harness]

Wanna see?

[barren lion]

Feel like i am walking into a trap, but yeah

[civic harness]

Is not a trap

[civic harness]

Here the first one
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1272098687690084352

[coarse karma]

oh, last year they had 12 and then chose by random using a generator for the winner, so I just wrongly assumed it'd be the same this year.

[barren lion]

Love his goofy ass face

[civic harness]

The second one
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1272381987432304640

[coarse karma]

these were the 12 last year that was used for the random chance pick

meloetta winning of course.

[plucky tendon]

I wasn't there at all last year but society if shaymin won

[coarse karma]

The main dev for the game didn't really like that someone chose a starter even though the starters were removed from the poll. i'm expecting it to happen again tbh.

[stuck cave]

Lunatone and Solrock my beloved

[stuck bane]

Unfortunately we’ve already received confirmation that legends/starters aren’t available options, else the guy who picked Carbink would’ve picked diancie

[coarse karma]

Ah so they're putting their foot down this time.

[stuck bane]

Yep

[coarse karma]

I can see why they dont want people choosing them this time. Rip Diancie tho.

[stuck bane]

6 more days and 7 more reveals for the special vote

[rain locust]

big boss tour tomorrows gonna be craaazy

[inland geyser]

Chingling or Druddigon for RNG Vote 🙏

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[wind viper]

minior!!!

[high haven]

Okay new order:
Slurpuff
Crawdaunt
Lurantis
Carbink
Ribombee
Pelipper
That's the order of the guys

[rain locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1276227925498134549/Media1_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=66ca14e0&is=66c8c360&hm=938f5d05862f06c542a5ad5407b5fdc478a0e2dffd5f4338ddfb7605d8989786&

watching this vid will cause you to move it up

[high haven]

It's not that I don't like him or think he brings nothing to the table, I just like the higher options more.

[rain locust]

I disagree.

[high haven]

You disagree with me liking other pokemon?

[chrome kelp]

yes.

nah jk

[high haven]

How would you order it?

[astral oyster]

I like golisopod

[rain locust]

carbink
(steep dropoff)
lurantis
pelipper
ribombee
crawdaunt
slurpuff

[molten latch]

Lurantis deserves a chance

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[high haven]

Of course.

[dry fiber]

just did my contribution to my propaganda

strange that this one still wasnt made

[humble lance]

ok question about the tournament picks
are pelipper and crawdaunt actually good competitively or are those just the mons that those winners liked most

[rain locust]

they are good competitively

[humble lance]

thats wild ty

[rain locust]

craw is broken and pelipper is a rain setter thats bundled with roost and uturn

[humble lance]

huh

[finite reef]

Pelipper is a much better rain setter, Crawdaunt clicks buttons and gets kos

[stuck bane]

Also winner of Pokédex entry was announced so depending on time zones we should get the special vote pick from them as well

[humble lance]

[unique flame]

vote gourgeist

[civic harness]

Well, it has perfect halloween potential

[molten latch]

Spoopy

[molten latch]

Whut da Yujiro dawg doin?

[glass patio]

i’d love gourgeist too

halloween fusions and funny pumpkin

i liek funni

[small tiger]

true

[high haven]

Something that I really like about the official art for Seviper is that if you look closely, you can see that there is a scale texture over their body. I didn't know this until SV but now I just like Seviper even more now

[gray dune]

I'd like Fomantis line, Bonsweet line, maybe even add in regional forms somehow. Toxipex would be sick. More Fossil pokemon would also be nice. Hariyama would be nice as well.

[stuck cave]

Toxipex is already in IF though?

[clear lichen]

We're only missing the Unova fossils iirc

(The Galar Fossils notwithstanding)

The Galar fossils would make such abominations that honestly I'm intrigued

Besides they're already canonically fusions

Extremely half assed and immoral ones

But fusions nonetheless

[median onyx]

bone wars moment

[clear lichen]

Mf runs at high speeds but can't breathe outside of water

Hey, at least it one shots things

[gray dune]

Ah sorry I mean the electric poison guy. Name escapes me rn.

[viral thorn]

You’re thinking of toxtricity

[radiant briar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-xd-spheal-spheal-floppin-floppin-gif-17365609490469618086

[rugged temple]

Vote Claydol

[silent acorn]

Good night folks

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-pokemon-clapping-gif-25991342

5 days left

[trail hull]

And then we know who is the 471st Pokémon

[simple gulch]

its the e monkies

[inland geyser]

ur an e monkie

/j

[simple gulch]

who wasnt?

[inland geyser]

we must go back

[simple gulch]

return to monke

[inland geyser]

r u doing concept contest

[simple gulch]

all i can do it a full shaded sprite concept

[inland geyser]

I was thinking Zangoose/Zekrom or Seviper/Reshiram or ???/Registeel

i have my cute idea already almost done

but once im done i need to pick a cool idea

[trail hull]

Crawdaunt is cool

[civic harness]

Epic

[high haven]

Agreed

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-pokemon-corphish-golduck-gif-18121846

[velvet root]

Imagine all the special vote mons get in

[civic harness]

I lost the events

[uneven geyser]

So what’s the status on which one will make the cut?

[velvet root]

Which one

[civic harness]

The entries

[velvet root]

We dont know

[velvet root]

Oh yeah

[uneven geyser]

Thanks anyway

[velvet root]

We wrote about that Yesterday apready

[civic harness]

Yes

[velvet root]

Yeah sorry that there is no other info

[velvet root]

Any specific mon you would want🤔

[civic harness]

So... if everyone on that list gets in

[hollow creek]

I feel like the newest winner will pick zangoo and sevipe

[civic harness]

Why do you think that?

[velvet root]

Would be cool
I think those are top tier fusion mons

[hollow creek]

Because his pfp is a snake

Lol

Also 5 more days until kommo o is in IF

[civic harness]

Just for that?

Oh well

[civic harness]

I see a lot of hope

[uneven geyser]

The fighting theropod

[velvet root]

Wouldnt be mad about him
Atleast we dont have the "we vote the pseudos" problem next time

[uneven geyser]

If crawdaunt does make the cut, fusing with hitmonchan would result in a mantis shrimp

[velvet root]

True

Great idea

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

Waiting for the day until it gets announce.

[velvet root]

hes cool

[molten latch]

Oh hello

Just dont know what topic of discussion is gonna be.

Besides goat of course.

[velvet root]

I mean discussions about new mons

https://tenor.com/view/elgyem-pokemon-psychic-cute-hi-gif-27186815

Hes cool too

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

Drampa deserves love ❤️

[eager jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945252663149346856/1275195137160380528/elusive_dex.gif

[velvet root]

10/10 mons

[stuck bane]

497,642 members, 2,360 left

If my approximations are right we should hit 500k in about 3 more days

[velvet root]

Time to ping everyone

[fathom ridge]

whoa the cool thing aproches fast

[agile olive]

yeah wasn't the new mon announcement like end of the month

[fathom ridge]

yes but i remember the staff talking about a "cool thing" #event-general message

[agile olive]

ah, a secret new mon

[fathom ridge]

maybe how knows could be anything really

[velvet root]

I can see the cool thing being gen 5 starters
Cuz of Emboar being mon 500
And gen 5 like in 500k

[fathom ridge]

i have the feeling it wont be a new mon but something else

[velvet root]

But what would the something else be

[fathom ridge]

something cool

[velvet root]

The add a dating sim mode to the game fr

They add a gun to speed run

They add a fakemon

Duh

All 3

The fakemon they add

[prime dust]

that is a slippery slope

last time a game added a dating sim tag, it confused the entire community for a bit, but then everyone liked it so much they added the tag on 2 more times

this is an ongoing joke amongst the Dark Souls community

[velvet root]

Lol

[stuck bane]

Please GOD let this be the case. It won’t but please let it be Serperior is my favorite starter ever

[fathom ridge]

if you clear your mind, "dark souls" could be the name of an edgy dating sim

[velvet root]

I expected you to be more a Emboar person

[stuck bane]

… what’s that supposed to mean?

[fathom ridge]

funi snek

[velvet root]

That you would like Emboar more

[stuck bane]

I like Gen 5 starters but I know Emboar ain’t the best, stat or design wise

[ashen cloud]

honestly i could see some fun samorott fusions

[velvet root]

All 3 could be really fun

[ashen cloud]

true they are all pretty dang unique

[fathom ridge]

ohh samorott/magnezone would be cool

[ashen cloud]

hell ya

or like samorott/ bisharp being like a full on samurai

[stuck bane]

Imagine, if 2 things go our way…

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokememes-frikoid-emboar-estatic-gif-15857933562928867240

[fathom ridge]

i do love a good bisharp fusion

[velvet root]

What is that gif

[stuck bane]

Idk why did you bother searching it up

[velvet root]

Nah
My way is a diffrent physical grass type

[ashen cloud]

this really did just sell me on galisopod

easy 3

[velvet root]

I searched Emboar gifs in the gif section on discors

[stuck bane]

Is serp physical?

[velvet root]

Serp is special

[stuck bane]

More defensive/speedy, but same attack and sp atk

[agile olive]

yeah, I was thinking of starters too.

[velvet root]

Really?

[stuck bane]

https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/serperior

[velvet root]

It does sound really likely tbh

[agile olive]

they basically obliterated the previous vote so I thought they were gonna be added at some later point anywy

[velvet root]

Same

[fathom ridge]

starters kinda cheat in the votes tho

[stuck bane]

No differently than dragons and ghosts cheat in votes though

[fathom ridge]

true, electric and bug were the types that we had the least right?

[stuck bane]

Uhhhh I was in the middle of looking through all the types, got tired partway through

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by slots and percentage:
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
36/48 Dragon Types (75%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)
38/67 Fire Types (56.7%)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
41/62 Rock Types (66.1%)

Numerically, we need more electric at 28 whoops, forgot about ice at 20

Percentage wise, we need more bug types at 49.3%

Haven’t looked through some other types like poison yet tho

[fathom ridge]

sooo then you know how is electric/bug?

[static ridge]

Charjabug moment

[fathom ridge]

THATS RIGHT

[velvet root]

I love how 2 spriters did something for it

[fathom ridge]

do you mean two other persons did domething for it or that there are only two spriters on the powerpoint? if it is the second one, i remind you that i paid a goat in exchange for your vikavolt so it would be more like one and a half

[velvet root]

2 on the power point
I know that 2 did bodys for it

[velvet root]

Did I say you have to pay one?

[fathom ridge]

man i really need more people to do more vikavolts

[fathom ridge]

the bisharp/gogoat was for that

[velvet root]

I like Vikavolt but I am not a fan of sharp edges tbh XD

I do have a idea tho

[molten latch]

Thats alot of flying types

😵‍💫

[fathom ridge]

i love doing shells, armors and rocks

[velvet root]

Domphan could work well with Vikavolt

I maybe do it

[fathom ridge]

ping me if you do

[ashen cloud]

where do i go to calculate the base stat totals of fusions?

[fathom ridge]

https://www.fusiondex.org/

[velvet root]

Do you mean for mons in Infinite fusion or non if

[unique flame]

you can use the site but showdown is faster

[velvet root]

Showdown also allows to calc non if mons

[ashen cloud]

yup i just want it for specifically if fusions to see what base stat totals will result from my fusions

[terse fable]

I wonder what mon will get picked in the winner poll once all the nominations are in, so far Slurpuff is the one I'd want most on that list, then Crawdaunt as a close 2nd

https://tenor.com/view/corphish-gif-19275423

also silly corpish silly

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-agua-corphish-tierno-gif-10778871708451860925

[dry fiber]

Just noticed only one pokemon/line is gonna get added in the first vote

Rip

[terse fable]

yeye, excited to see what we finally get

[molten latch]

We arent sure

[fathom ridge]

i think if a single stage line won we would get another small line but im not 100 percent sure

[dry fiber]

The phrasing says A new Pokemon

Which is singular

[terse fable]

Hard to say, for all we know they're only adding this mon and the winner poll mon because they've been working on the missing starters being in the game this whole time and that'll be like a big surprise when the update drops lol, they've done surprises before but I'd just assume the 2 mons for now as that's most likey what we'll get which is still awesome aff

[molten latch]

I know

Thats why I'm wondering on which mon is going to make that one spot.

[terse fable]

Whatever it is I'll be fine with itt, but people will be hating I'm sure loll

[molten latch]

Yeah. . .

Or can be actually nice like Gogoat.

But I'm not sure.

[terse fable]

I think no matter what mon is picked people will be hating, there's not really a universally loved option in the poll especially when there's only one mon getting in

Just hopefully not too many 😂

[molten latch]

Yeah

[velvet root]

Sadly

I really hope that the Suprise is the gen 5 starters and the vote winners something the rest likes

[molten latch]

Or something from Gen 6

Could be from Gen 3 but I'm not sure.

[velvet root]

Gogoat would be sick af but we cant change that it prob wont win

[molten latch]

Yeah

Its never easy.

[molten latch]

Anyways

Which Legendary, Mythical pokenon has better stats and typing coverage?

(UB doesn't count)

[stuck bane]

It is done:

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by slots and percentage:
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
36/48 Dragon Types (75%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)
38/67 Fire Types (56.7%)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
46/89 Psychic Types (51.6%)
41/62 Rock Types (66.1%)
34/50 Steel Types (68%)
70/135 Water Types (51.8%)

I also have numerical and percentage ordered versions if anyone wants them

[molten latch]

Thanks

That's alot of Water Types

[clear lichen]

Water is the most abundant type in the game

Even more so than Normal

Anyways that graph tells me that in the newer generations more Grasses have been added than Flying types

Since Bulbapedia lists Grass as the 3rd most common type

And Flying as the 4th

[glass patio]

team magma was right there’s too much water

[deft obsidian]

Ice type is lowest !

We missing abomasnow and avalugg

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/avalugg-pokemon-ice-gif-25800457

Avalugg is pretty hype

[prime dust]

no...no it isn't

body type it is too close to torterra

[molten latch]

Plus, no Hisuian form

[glass patio]

hmmm ice type

i feel like im forgetting something

im not sure which ice type i like

[prime dust]

there is no hisuian avalugg

he doesn't exist

[molten latch]

Ye

[prime dust]

he never existed

[glass patio]

yeah idk

[prime dust]

i mean options in the vote are limited...mainly cause ice types are under-represented in pokemon as a whole

thus the best choice for an ice type is

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[clear lichen]

Ice is indeed the rarest type in Pokemon

And most of them are defensive Pokemon despite the type being THE glass cannon type

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

Along with Rock

AKA Another primarily defensive roster

Why are they making defensive Pokemon with glass cannon types

[molten latch]

The Spheal line does better.

Tho the doenside it has 2x weakness to 4 elements.

But because of its offenses, it has benefits.

[clear lichen]

About 1/3 of the Dragons are legendaries lmfao

[molten latch]

Yeah

Apart from Uncle Drampa

[clear lichen]

We need more non legendary dragons

It's Kommo-Oing time

[deft obsidian]

I wish lapras was dragon type

[clear lichen]

Kommo-O's secondary type is also somewhat rare it seems

[molten latch]

Maybe

[clear lichen]

I'd prefer Kommo-O getting in out of the many Gen 7 Dragons but I wouldn't mind the other Gen 7 Dragons either

They all provide something

Kommo-O provides good stats, good movepool and 3 good abilities

[deft obsidian]

Do we have pokemon with snow warning in IF?

[clear lichen]

Drampa has Berserk and Berserk is a fun ability

Turtonator doesn't provide much actually

But it looks cool

So it's fine

[molten latch]

I understsnd
I'm a bit skeptical over a dragon covered in tambourine scales.

[clear lichen]

Wow wtf Turtonator sucks a lot more than I remembered

Only good stat is Defence

Which is heavily held back by the 60 fucking HP

All the other stats are under average at best

And terrible at worst

[molten latch]

On the one hand, it has better competitively, but on the other hand, spriters have a chance of struggling the scales a bit as it can be tricky from time to time.

[clear lichen]

Yeah I can see how Kommo-O would be difficult to work with

[molten latch]

Its basically a Doublade problem.

[clear lichen]

It looks cool though

:P

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

I see people say it's the worst Pseudo but clearly they have never heard of Baxcalibur (/j)

[molten latch]

But it aint pretty. Another thing is Dark, Fairy and Fighting Is clashing on which is gonna go on that spot.

[clear lichen]

(I just really don't see how anyone could like Baxcalibur non competitively)

[molten latch]

Yeah

Baxcalibur is cool

So does Dragapult

[clear lichen]

I mean tbf Baxcalibur is about as generic Godzilla like as Ttar

[molten latch]

Ttar is Bemular

[clear lichen]

But at least Ttar didn't have a name implying it'd look cooler than it does

[molten latch]

Yeah

[gray vine]

hes very cool

[molten latch]

Indeed

[gray vine]

used him for my entire run, exept the dlc cause i wanted to use dlc mons

[clear lichen]

I dont like Baxcalibur being just generic Godzilla mf

[molten latch]

Baxcalibur is the true Godzilla

[stuck bane]

Numerical Order:
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
34/50 Steel Types (68%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
36/48 Dragon Types (75%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
38/67 Fire Types (56.7%)
41/62 Rock Types (66.1%)
46/89 Psychic Types (51.6%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
70/135 Water Types (51.8%)

I’d argue fighting is the lowest of the dark/fight/fairy trio, as it has the lowest percentage of the 3

[clear lichen]

Because his name has fucking excalibur in it

And it just feels like a bit of an empty design

[gray vine]

i mean Tyrannitar is right there

[clear lichen]

Apart from the weirdly small back spike it's kinda just not much

[clear lichen]

I did mention Ttar being generic Godzilla mf earlier tbf

[gray vine]

nah i think its a fun one, i love his spiked back and how its used with his signature move

[clear lichen]

And I also mentioned it doesn't have a name that hypes me up as much as Baxcalibur's

[gray vine]

i mean tyrannitars name seems so lame people say Ttar lul

[clear lichen]

I mean sure Tyranitar's a cool name but you don't really expect much other than cool from a tyrant

[stuck bane]

Another friend of mine said she doesn’t mind Godzilla designs, she just doesn’t like how we got 2 new Godzilla monsters in the same Gen (bax and ttar paradox)

[molten latch]

Indeed

[gray vine]

i eman thats just a paradox tho

[clear lichen]

Baxcalibur's name perfectly sets up to be a disappointment when paired with the design

[gray vine]

its absically robo tyrannitar

[stuck bane]

I don’t hate ttar’s name, it’s just ttar is easier to say

[molten latch]

Bemular from the Ultraman Netflix Show

[clear lichen]

I mean I'd still put it as a B tier mon

But it's just disappointing

Very disappointing

[gray vine]

good for you lul

[clear lichen]

I think it's my only Pseudo below high B tier

[gray vine]

i think my lowest pseudo if it is one is garchomp

its kinda ew

[stuck bane]

Anyways according to both lists electric is 2nd to last on both numerical and percentage, so there’s an argument to be made that electric is the most needed, followed by ice and bug

[clear lichen]

Of the pseudos which do you think is the most generic

[gray vine]

doesnt take away from my boi Gible tho, hes the best one of the 3

[gray vine]

tyrannitar probably

[clear lichen]

I'd say it's probably between Dnite and Bax but that's just my opinion

Between Ttar and Bax I think Bax is more generic

Actually wait Salamence exists

Lmfao

[gray vine]

Bax atleast has some interesting design choices, while Tyrannitar basically just seems like big lizard

[molten latch]

For me I've watched Gnoggin knowing that Ttar is Bemular and its Paradox form is its Ultraman Netflix Show or Manga appearance.

[clear lichen]

Salamence is pretty much just a generic cool dragon with not much else going on

I mean it's cool

But that's because dragons in general are cool

Mega Mence being a murder hungry psychopath is very cool though

[molten latch]

Like Roaring Moon

[gray vine]

what

[clear lichen]

Nah Roaring Moon isn't just straight up stated to slice its trainer in half

To the point they come up with a cool nickname for it

[molten latch]

Bemular is a Kaiju from the Ultraman series, before Pokemon was even a thing back in the old times.

[gray vine]

Paradox Tyrannitar is based on its Mecha in the Movie Studio from Black and White

which is obviously based on mecha godzilla but eh

thats kinda common info

[molten latch]

You can say that, but for me its Bemular

[gray vine]

you be wrong

[clear lichen]

Some people hate Mega Salamence for being a Mega of a Pseudo but to be fair Salamence was starting to get outclassed at that point in time

And now it's uhh

Kinda not good

[molten latch]

I know I can be far off.

[gray vine]

i just like megas for the designs

[clear lichen]

People also call it a croissant because its wings are crescent shaped which is dumb

Would you call the moon a croissant?

[gray vine]

yes

[clear lichen]

Damn, well go ahead

Most people wouldn't though

[gray vine]

a moon pie and a crecent croissant

[clear lichen]

Actually this is a dumb comparison people call the moon cheese already

My bad for being stupid

[gray vine]

hah

[molten latch]

Still, Ultraman was a thing before Pokemon was even created.

[empty pendant]

I call a blue tongue skink sitting in a crescent shape a judgmental croissant

[gray vine]

well thats kinda different tho

the moon is actually cheese

just i dont think its very good

[clear lichen]

I dont think slicing someone in half is a good way of judging them

That's more so punishing

[empty pendant]

judgmental croissant

salamence's very little brother

[gray vine]

hands out like its a poster for a bible group

[molten latch]

You mean Dunsparce?

[clear lichen]

Dragapult is 3 meters long

[molten latch]

I know Dunsparce is kinda based on the Blue Tongue Skink

[empty pendant]

dunsparce is a tsuchinoko

[molten latch]

And a Yokai

[clear lichen]

Very long stealth jet

[molten latch]

Both Id say body wise.

[empty pendant]

also dragapult may be long but most of that is tail

[clear lichen]

That's also a dragon

[clear lichen]

True

It feels a bit unfair to call it 3 meters long

[empty pendant]

it's also an extinct salamander with a wide head

[clear lichen]

When like 2 meters of those 3 meters

Are tail

[gray vine]

its absed on a mythical fat snake

[clear lichen]

Yknow, Pokemon has quite a few jet dragons

[molten latch]

Indeed exactly.

[clear lichen]

I will say, their jet dragons are cool

But at the same time Valstrax sweep

[molten latch]

You mean Metamence

Lul

[gray vine]

garchomp counts to that right

[clear lichen]

Fr

[clear lichen]

I guess so

[gray vine]

like he should count not sure if ya did tho

[empty pendant]

dragapult

[molten latch]

This

[clear lichen]

The dex talks about it flying at mach speeds right?

[clear lichen]

Lmao imagine being dead

[empty pendant]

she's a ghost type, it checks out

[gray vine]

it litterly has jet engine ears

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

I probably shouldn't insult the ghost jet dragon about it being dead and me not being dead

I feel like there's a singular way that ends

[molten latch]

Garchomp is also Cythia's Pokemon.

[gray vine]

well nah they are born a ghost

[molten latch]

Jet Shark is cool

[clear lichen]

???

[gray vine]

they are just ghosts they didnt die tho

[clear lichen]

Dreepy is explicitly stated to be the spirit of an extinct Pokemon

[clear lichen]

A few Ghost types aren't actually ghosts

Dreepy isn't one of those

[gray vine]

ye back in prehistoric times

[empty pendant]

but it did die tho

[gray vine]

from that on they are born ghosts

[clear lichen]

And by extention the rest of its line

[gray vine]

eh if my dad died and became a ghost and then managed to birth me and i got born a ghost, i wouldnt say i died

[empty pendant]

anyways, do you think if a dragapult kills you in the pokeworld you come back as a dreepy

[silent acorn]

Asking the real ghost questions

[clear lichen]

No, because I am not an aquatic dragon

[empty pendant]

what if you are an aquatic dragon in your heart

[silent acorn]

How does one human become a ghost in pokemon I wonder

[clear lichen]

They get stuck in tumbleweed

[gray vine]

dex does give plenty examples

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[clear lichen]

And other random objects

[silent acorn]

Does that mean they technically classify as Isekai?

[gray vine]

no

[silent acorn]

Probably

[gray vine]

thats transporting to another world

[silent acorn]

Mystery Dungeon

[silent acorn]

Psh

They can be reincarnation too

Isekai is all of that thing

[empty pendant]

mystery dungeon is an isekai but a person in and from pokeworld dying and becoming a ghost pokemon is not

[silent acorn]

Some people count mystery Dungeon as that

Well regardless

Because it is in universe

Wonder how that works

[empty pendant]

mystery dungeon counts even if the pc used to be a trainer bc they went from world with humans to world without humans

[silent acorn]

Hmmm fair point

[empty pendant]

it's not an isekai unless the protag moves from one world into another

[clear lichen]

Anyways speaking of dragons, what are the other remaining dragons? I can think of Zygarde, Naganadel line, Kommo-O line, Turtonator, Guzzlord and Drampa

[silent acorn]

Man mystery Dungeon is fascinating

[clear lichen]

But I'm probably missing others

[silent acorn]

Druddigon

[clear lichen]

Yup I was missing one

[silent acorn]

It's just

[empty pendant]

dragalge

[clear lichen]

Maybe 2? Anyone else can think of another

[clear lichen]

Sometimes forget it's a dragon somehow

[silent acorn]

For a one stage dragon certainly doesn't attract attention

[clear lichen]

Doesn't help that it's prevo isn't a dragon

And leafy sea dragons are most certainly not dragons either

[empty pendant]

dragon silvally if I'm being cheeky

[clear lichen]

I only remember it's a dragon when I think for more than 1 second

[empty pendant]

also I like dragalge!

[clear lichen]

Which is very hard when you're a fucking idiot

[empty pendant]

it's a dragon if kingdra is

they're both not dragon then evolve into dragon and are inspired by similar critters

[clear lichen]

Yeah I do think out of those the none mythical non UB I want the most is Kommo-O

Followed by like Dragalge

[empty pendant]

as a spriter, kommo-o sounds like pain

[clear lichen]

Including legendaries and UBs Naganadel's probably above Kommo-O

[empty pendant]

I like him, but

would rather have zygarde

[clear lichen]

Guzzlord's below Kommo-O

[empty pendant]

zygarde would be fun to sprite

[clear lichen]

It looks cool

And tbf it is salvageable with fusions

But I'd imagine it'd be really hard to salvage because it's a fucking Guzzlord

And also I don't want to imagine how the hell one would go about charting it

[empty pendant]

guzzlord would be fun to do

[clear lichen]

I fr said charting

And not spriting

I play too many rhythm games

[empty pendant]

guzzlord way easier to fuse sprite than kommo-o

kommo-o's 5 billion scales

[clear lichen]

Really? I would've though it'd be harder

[molten latch]

Thats why I really meant

[clear lichen]

Hey why does Guzzlord have teeth on its tongue btw

[empty pendant]

it's gonna take so long... it's gonna be so annoying......

[clear lichen]

Is that a tongue?

Or is that just the bottom of its mouth

Are its tongues the pincer things?

[empty pendant]

no idea

[clear lichen]

It looks so weird and honestly I'm a fan

[empty pendant]

guzzlord is fucked up (affectionate)

[clear lichen]

It looks cool and weird and it ate an entire fucking world with other Guzzlords

I wished it was better

[molten latch]

BTW, I've created a Tierlist on which pokemon I want in or nah.

Do you wanna see it?

I'll . . . take that as a no then. . .

[clear lichen]

Left to do something shortly, also you already posted that a lot I get the general gist of the things I agree and disagree with

[molten latch]

Oh ok

[clear lichen]

Darm at 1 is sad for me because I like the funny murder monke (? It kinda looks like a gorilla/monkey)

I LOVE ONE/TWO SHOTTING BULKY RESISTS

He also has a silly design and a singular braincell in normal form

It's perfect

Ignore Zen Mode being an alternate form and needing more sprites

It's the inferior form anyways in both design and stats

[molten latch]

Its not bad stat wise

NGL Galarian is my favorite.

https://tenor.com/view/galar-darmanitan-spinning-gif-14575733608549402903

[clear lichen]

Galarian as the same number of braincells as Unovan

And the gameplay similarly takes not much thinking

[molten latch]

His Zen Mode is even better

[clear lichen]

Peak Pokemon

Problem about Zen Mode Gdarm is that it is completely worse than Gorilla Tactics Gdarm

It's funny though

[clear lichen]

(In battle)

[molten latch]

I mean its a hot headed snow man

In Zen Mode

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In design they're both peak

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Which is funny

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Equally so

Zen Gdarm is better than Zen Darm

But I prefer regular Darm over both Zen Gdarm and regular Gdarm

They're all S tiers except for Zen Darm

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I see

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Zen Darmanitan has too many braincells

That's like the main appeal behind the Darmanitans

And unfortunately that reflects in the gameplay with it being the Darm form you need to spend the most time and effort setting up

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Plus, I wanna try the Darumaka lunchbox.

Ye

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Yes, let's get a frail Pokemon to lower its HP below 50% without dying

To turn into a pathetically slow form

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Darmanitan is underrated.

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Incredibly true

That said I'm biased

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I put it on 1 sadly

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As you can tell by me stating a minute earlier that all the Darms except Zen Darm are S tiers for me

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Because its my final result

Cant change it

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You can though?

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No sadly, Its hard to do these tierlist.

It aint a joke.

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Idk man I've made a ton of tiermaker tierlists

You just move the image up

Bam

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And its 5 days till it will be over.

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My magnum opus of my tierlists is still in progress

Ranking 1000+ Pokemon in order is hard

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For me, I struggle to put the images each tier because I have to go back and forth.

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Especially when you have to rank like 50 seperate Alcremies

Misery

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Ye

Anyways

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I'm also generally very indecisive

Which makes the ranking in order thing very vague

Like one day it might be this other

On another it might've changed

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Final thoughts, Darmanitan is is pretty impressive competitively, but falls from underratings.

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The only things I can guarantee are the high and low tiers

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Also what Usage Type is Darma?

UU?

RU?

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It's typically UU or RU

We love big damage number

But the problem is

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Ok.

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Darmanitan is middling speed

And extremely low defences

Good HP to tank recoil

But due to the low defences it is still low bulk

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Does EVs grant em speed or what?

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And Stealth Rocks weakness on a Pokemon that wants Choice Band, Choice Scarf and Life Orb

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K

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Yes but since every Pokemon can use EVs that doesn't help

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But yeah this

Darm wants HDB, Choice Band, Choice Scarf and Life Orb

It sucks

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Ok

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Gdarm however has a free Choice Band and doesn't particularly want Life Orb

Usually it runs double Band or Band+Scarf

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Oh yeah reason why it has a free Band is because of the ability

Gorilla tactics

So yeah Darm is a Gorilla

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Like Orangutan?

Similar to Oranguru?

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No, Gorrilas are not Orangutans

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True

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But yeah, having a free Choice Band is very OP

Rocks weakness won't matter when you have Band+Scarf

The later gens really hate stall huh?

Stallbreakers like Darm-G and Dracovish in Gen 8

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Oof

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And Flutter Mane, Annihilape, Chi-Yu, Chien-Pao, Palafin, Ogerpon, Baxcalibur, Ursa-BM etc in Gen 9

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Ye

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Yknow actually it's mostly Gen 9

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Annihilape is one of my favorites because Broly

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I find it hilarious that Annihilape and Palafin break Stall by using Taunt

And not like yknow

Choice Band Wave Crash in Rain

Or something

It can do both tbf but if it does the latter Palafin gets checked by Alo

I love moves like Taunt and Encore they're so great

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Alomo was a menace in gen 9, Ou/UU tier

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I see

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actually just checked. Alomomola is still OU tier

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So sad its not a Pre Evo for Luvdisc

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ranked 33 on OU usage at 5%

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I see

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Bulky Water with Wish, a pivot move, Regenerator?

And with HDB being added?

Yeah, Alomomola is great

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it also got chilling water, so any atkers also got their attack lowered

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Ye

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I have not seen a singular Chilling Water Alomomola

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Underrated, but good.

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They're all Wishing, Protecting, Flip Turning etc

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also, i think when it was just base SV, it was like the only pokemon to know scald when everyone else had it removed from them

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Its also can be a good fusion for Valentine's Day

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i ran a wish/whirlpool/protect set

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And I think it still has Scald

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forced physical attackers to stay in and i can just protect/wish

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Bulky Water Regenerator Wishpasser with Scald in a generation where Heavy Duty Boots exists

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Indeed

But idk if Alomomora is gonna be voted more.

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the thing that made Alo good was flip turn

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Despite being good

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which isn't a move we have access to

however fusions can give it volt switch or u-turn

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Ah, nice.

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water/steel regenerator volt switch

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The other downside is that, we already have like too many water types.