pif-hoenn-discussion

[hot hamlet]

Night crab

See you at the end of my shift lol

[fathom ridge]

Bye

[velvet root]

You cant hide from me

[fathom ridge]

Whoa the new snapshots are wild

[velvet root]

yes I send in mons I think are good to vote

[high haven]

I may not be a spriter but I can draw. Some from this year and some from last year.

[red parrot]

My dream trio is Serperior, Delphox, and Primarina

[placid pelican]

Dragalge

[fathom ridge]

The magneton one is sick

[gray vine]

really like the first one

[glass patio]

damn those look sick

[supple tangle]

i want kommo-o

[high haven]

Thank you

[bitter comet]

K, anything else you want?

[supple tangle]

unova fossils

[eager jungle]

Just coming back to say one thing

[bitter comet]

Wow, congrats to that person. You got a trademarked thing.

[high haven]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

[solid condor]

Hola

[woven oxide]

Golisopod looks SICK here

[hot hamlet]

Bottom three are awesome! Always was a bigger fan of head fusions as then you can see what it provides to other mons, as opposed to the same similar body shapes all the time while scrolling through sprites.
The Magneton is plain epic!

[hidden relic]

Howdy folks, for those interested in Movie Night n' watching Giratina and the Sky Warrior: The Stage is open!!

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1148785825178460241

[velvet root]

Man he looks sick
maybe he deserves a higher vote from me

[glass patio]

[high haven]

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for tomorrow

[gray stream]

voting minior right now

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/barf-gnome-rainbow-gif-5150510

[gray stream]

i was joking about the minior, but that ribombee placement

[prime dust]

body wise it just is going to end up being unused because the sprite is going to be hell to work with, so it'll mostly be heads

[gray stream]

yeah, but the heads are cool

[prime dust]

that isn't enough forme to push it past 1

[gray stream]

fair

[prime dust]

also we want more fairy types which is the body portion

[agile olive]

we thought the same for necrozma and that's actually getting bodies now

[prime dust]

its taking time though, i feel like that line is going to be the same, it'll just end up taking forever to slog through body designs

it would have gone in 0, but i wanted to be fair to the fairy typing it had, especially since that is one of the least prevelent typings in this game outside ice

[sleek hornet]

Aromatisse definitely has enough body to work with that’s for sure! XD

Floofy birb.

[prime dust]

half plague doctor, half floof birb

[sleek hornet]

Yesh! :3

I believe that aromatisse deserves a glow up and I believe that fusions would fix that…(I hope)

[glass patio]

fine it’s just opinions…

[steel meadow]

The 0 vote on Carbink hurts my soul

[glass patio]

at least that got a point

[prime dust]

i'm sorry but i find 0 interest in minor

and carbink is just worse diance

and diance is already bad for a legendary

maybe if it was a pair to get carbink and diance i would give it a 2

but carbink by itself itsn't super worth it in this vote

[glass patio]

[prime dust]

most single stage mons i feel that way about

[fringe urchin]

I like diance's design, but the mon
itself is just trash

[clear lichen]

Disagree with some of your opinions but since Kommo-O got 3 points all is forgiven

[prime dust]

that's kind of how i feel as well

like i like the design, might make for interesting fusion fodder, but beyond that

[prime dust]

moar dergins

[clear lichen]

Diancie's design is definitely above average but those stats are kinda meh, and Rock/Fairy isn't great

[fringe urchin]

Mega diance just has a bigger skirt tho..

Disappointed about that

[clear lichen]

Low HP high defences but unlike Toxapex the defensive type isn't worth

[prime dust]

and twin tails

[clear lichen]

And doesn't have reliable recovery

[fringe urchin]

Yep

[clear lichen]

But you could take the Fairy Type and high defences and fuse it to another Pokemon to provide those

Similarly with Carbink

[prime dust]

diance + certain humanoid mons = sailor moon references

[glass patio]

tbh i barely even care about competitive i just like funny pokemon

[fringe urchin]

[fringe urchin]

Relatable

[fringe urchin]

Or just cool looking ones

[prime dust]

you have to include the full fusion list

[glass patio]

that too

[prime dust]

which includes, but is not limited to:
anime/cartoon/movie/video game references
biblically accurate angels
nightmare fuel
creepy pasta
mega/z-move/g-max references

[bitter comet]

What are we talking about that involves creepy pasta?

[silent acorn]

To be honest, Simipour hair is just that dapper

[grave jolt]

ew, 0 points for Pachi? no taste I see.

[hot hamlet]

I lost all my taste licking the Ice Cream Cone

[silent acorn]

I respect it all nearly. But what's with Minior and Furfrou so low?

I mean they got decent abilities and multiforms

[silent acorn]

Mordrid really wants regional birds huh

[hot hamlet]

My only problem with the list is Binacle as I can see potential with it

[silent acorn]

They really like flying type... Wait that's not it because Minior is flying

[hot hamlet]

Otherwise overall happy with it

[silent acorn]

A bit questionable in small amounts really

[inland geyser]

if you dont understand the potential of Druddigon

[hot hamlet]

Overall. Always have gripes

[silent acorn]

I guess they are from the completionist faction hence why they want Kommo?

And why all 3 birds are there?

[hot hamlet]

Drudigon gets in and I demand a Digimon alt

https://tenor.com/view/dorumon-digimon-gif-1371699436043218584

Namely his evolution which is this but with bigger wings

[placid pelican]

Dragalge

[analog stag]

*Icicles with snow on top to look like an ice cream cone

Not real ice cream

[bitter comet]

Better yet, let’s add this adorable lad to the game instead!

[hot hamlet]

Tomato tomahto. Maybe that’s why I have no tastebuds left

[bitter comet]

Wonder what this guy’s fusion potential would be

[hot hamlet]

I just see Drudigon whenever I think of him

[hot hamlet]

You mean this?

[bitter comet]

BALD

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-spongebob-spongebob-meme-bald-meme-my-eyes-gif-15884625413012851956

Meh. He’s probably shiny enough to do that given the reflective power of Ice

[analog stag]

If they get in some fusions gotta reference the baldness lol

[bitter comet]

Wonder which mons we could use

[lone rampart]

they should add araquanid look at my epic magnezone araquanid fusion

[twin phoenix]

I see Noivern with the white neck fur, dark color, and red claws.

[hot hamlet]

Yeah I could see that. Noivern/Tyrantrum. With Prevos for the baby form

You know what? Imma make it a request.

Forgot I already have a request active😅

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, that sounds like a good fit for the reference.

[hot hamlet]

Well I can’t request it atm cause I have something else active for a few more days I want in instead

[ashen cloud]

i know legends aren’t being added rn but if you could add any one which would it be

[hot hamlet]

Victini

[ashen cloud]

ooooo very interesting

[hot hamlet]

I love the happy-go-lucky apple head

[ashen cloud]

gimme solgaleo

[hot hamlet]

The cosmog line would be a pick just for the fact that you get 4 mons for the price of 1

In a hypothetical Rockruff/Vanilite, would it be one of those sundaes with a puppy face and chocolate decorations? Or would it be a scoop of Rocky Road?

[bitter comet]

It would be funny if frog surprised us and added a legendary

[molten latch]

Yeah

Imagine the surprise

[stuck bane]

I think he was being honest when he said he didn’t want to do quest coding for legendaries right now tho

There might be a surprise addition, like when we hit 500k members he might reveal a basic Mon he wants in the game, but I don’t think he’ll pick a legend unless he has something planned out

[molten latch]

Indeed

I'm curious on which is it.

[stuck bane]

IF, nothing is confirmed and we should keep our expectations low

[bitter comet]

So basically if manage to get to 500k again there’s a potential we could get another mon, but if we don’t manage that, nothing at all gets added including any selected by the vote/j

We better start sending out server invites lol

[stuck bane]

We never hit 500k though did we?

[bitter comet]

I thought we did and that was what started this whole Vote thing

[molten latch]

Ok

[stuck bane]

No it’s that we WERE almost there, and then a bunch of people left because @ everyone ping

[bitter comet]

Ah

[molten latch]

I might make a tier list based on The Starters, Legends, Mythicals and UBs.

Gen 7 and below

[stuck bane]

I’ve checked occasionally, we’re getting ~33 new members per hour? So we should be able to hit 500k before the 29th if that trajectory keeps up, I wouldn’t worry about invites too much

[terse fable]

I still find it strange for people to leave at getting pinged, like just see what it is and move on? or mute the server if you're not tryna look at it? Don't see why people take the extreme approach

then probably join back later anyways

[stuck bane]

Unfortunately we can’t ask them to find out

Will they tho?

“I was slightly inconvenienced by a discord ping therefore I shall never return” is a mentality a lot of people use

[molten latch]

Thats ashame

[terse fable]

It depends, but since this is for a game, some people will be forced to come back if they have game questions, can't update etc etc so some will

[bitter comet]

People are weird lol

[terse fable]

when it conveniences them, which is lame but ehh

[civic harness]

For that reason, we lost too many users

[hot hamlet]

Magnemite/Vikavolt where the jaws are replaced with an oversized magnet

[clear lichen]

Had someone block me because I pinged them once claiming I pinged them 10 times in the past hour

:/

[hot hamlet]

How dare you retcon their memory!

[molten latch]

Despite Zygarde is on Alolan

Does its dex entry changes?

Like Dex Number

Or nah

[clear lichen]

I think it's because I had opinions that they disagreed with and called them wrong about

[molten latch]

Just me

[clear lichen]

I guess I should've known, opinions are banned on the Internet after all

[hot hamlet]

Just coming up with other concept ideas for future added mons since I can’t art or sprite. Don’t mind me.

Klinklang/Avalugg=one of those icebreaker ships

Trying to keep brain creative so I’m not staring at a screen later tonight when I can write

[molten latch]

Here is my Tierlist on which Starters, Legends, Mythicals and UBs should be in PIF

This isnt final

[hot hamlet]

Can I have a list of the mons allowed to be voted? So I can come up with more concepts?

Want to see your personal picks, will look at the top mons first

[molten latch]

You mean the Tiermaker

[hot hamlet]

I’m on phone. Tiermaker doesn’t work that well

[finite reef]

Its every pokemon in gen 3-7 that isn't a legendary/mythical/ultra beast and isn't already in the game

[terse fable]

I usually just go back to the voting list and look tnrough that

[high haven]

Doesn't help that much

[molten latch]

You mean Gen 5 and 7

[finite reef]

There's also a text list pinned in #1240773622612889681

[hot hamlet]

More or less I want to see people’s 3 picks and see what kind of concepts for fusion I can come up with

[high haven]

Just go to the vote and look through the mons

[finite reef]

No? Gens 3-7

[hot hamlet]

Can’t sign in. Google hates apple

[finite reef]

Check the second pin in #1240773622612889681

[high haven]

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-spongebob-patrick-star-thinking-gif-10961889567907563451

[molten latch]

Oh sorry, its related to my Tierlist.

[pseudo wigeon]

not my boy in 0

https://tenor.com/view/emboar-pokémon-emboar-flame-charge-pokémon-flame-charge-flare-blitz-gif-26027926

[stuck bane]

If Zygarde were added to infinite fusion, each form would have a separate dex number, similar to meloetta and Necrozma

[molten latch]

Ok

[pseudo wigeon]

most likely

[hot hamlet]

“You don’t have an app to open this”

[molten latch]

Sorry, There's a reason that Emboar is bad on Black and White.

[hot hamlet]

You say that but he was my first experience with Pokerus

[molten latch]

True

[stuck bane]

Emboar ain’t bad at all

[molten latch]

But again, this isn't final so I'll have to change it.

DW

I Forgor Heatran

[pseudo wigeon]

no, he da goat

[molten latch]

Ok

I will put him on 2

[hot hamlet]

Malamar/Octillery is just a confused Octillery upside-down

[pseudo wigeon]

no, dont put him higher just because of me and my opinions

dont change your opinions because i whine about em

[stuck bane]

At least bump serp up one if you’re gonna bump emb up one, it’s a crime you think serp is on par with the swords of justice who are below genies

[molten latch]

But I like Emboar in the anime

[hot hamlet]

Oricorio/Sawsbuck would have the most sprites per form ever

[molten latch]

Especially when Ash uses it

[pseudo wigeon]

oh ok

[finite reef]

It's a text file, can't help you there

[stuck bane]

Also Emboar shiny

[molten latch]

Blue FIYAH

Delicious

Even Hank Hill will be proud

[stuck bane]

Wait he actually evolved his Emboar? Apparently I remember nothing from the anime because I thought it stayed a pignite

[molten latch]

I meant the Tepig line

But he didn't use an Emboar sadly

[stuck bane]

Oh then yeah I see

[molten latch]

Im putting the Lake trio to 1

Idk about Heatran

[hot hamlet]

Snorlax/Abomasnow is a straight up yeti

[stuck bane]

I like them, but yeah IF potential they don’t have it

Heatran a 3 steel type with flash fire

[molten latch]

Indeed

[hot hamlet]

Exeggcute/Clampearl=a shell full of pearls with faces

[molten latch]

Here's updated version

So sad that Vulcanion didn't deserve it.

He's forgettable?

[hot hamlet]

Solrock/Lunatone=eclipses. Whichever is the body determines which eclipse

[stuck bane]

There’s too much slander on my favorite starter see here

[hot hamlet]

Zangoose/Ekans=Ekans running from Zangoose

Evolution has Arbok chasing Zangoose instead

[molten latch]

I love Serperior, but I have to put 1 because of Trip.

[stuck bane]

Naaah

[molten latch]

(Every hate of him is in my body boiling)

[stuck bane]

You are not completely disregarding an entire species because a rival upset you

[molten latch]

Ye

[stuck bane]

Kanto bout to have a second civil war

[hot hamlet]

Odd since it’s a Unova mon but okay. Kanto war it is!

not like it’s literally the other side of the world or anything

[stuck bane]

Nah I mean, if people disregarded an entire species because a rival upset them, there will literally be a whole war between fans of starters.

[hot hamlet]

In Kanto though

[stuck bane]

Kanto is unfortunately the most well known, so it’d prob be a war between the 3 best known starters: bulb charm squirtle

[hot hamlet]

Fair point

Though with the recent influx of people, seems Kanto is not as well known as it used to be

[stuck bane]

Or they don’t care, all Kanto mons are in and no Kanto regionals therefore…

[hot hamlet]

Anyway where was I?
Eelektross/Pinsir. Enjoy sleeping

[crimson robin]

Kanto is played out tbh. Mega Charizard! Another Mega Charizard! Gigantimax Charizard, as the ace of a Champion from a different region even!

[hot hamlet]

Exploud/Meloetta=Melo at a pipe organ

[crimson robin]

People respond to criticism of the Unova objectmons by saying "well Kanto had Voltorb and Muk, did you dislike those too?'

YES

[stuck bane]

True, I’m glad unova was skipped over because man their current streak of Kanto nostalgia would’ve RUINED it

And another thing, things like voltorb and muk were not anybody’s favorites. Stop pretending the first Gen was a flawless masterpiece

Even I’m not delusional enough to place unova on that pedestal: here I’ll name 1 flaw, no following Pokémon

Anyways justified reasons why Gen 8+ isn’t canon, back to new Pokémon, what were we talking about?

[crimson robin]

Alomomola and Luvdisc were robbed for GameFreak's gen 1 fetish. I don't think we got a proper straight up cross-gen evolution until Gen 9

[stuck bane]

I don’t think it was that long

By cross Gen does that include stuff like magnezone or?

[bitter comet]

Wait, it’s not canon?

[stuck bane]

Technically it would’ve been Gen 2 because scizor and steelix

[stuck bane]

It’s not, no matter how gamefreak tries to spin it

[bitter comet]

That’s crazy man

[hot hamlet]

Pumpkaboo/Litwick=Jack O’ Lanturn.
Or fused to Lanturn too

[stuck bane]

It was crazy, I’m glad it’s not part of my percieved reality

Ooo I like that idea

[hot hamlet]

Gourgeist/Rapidash=Headless Horseman

[stuck bane]

I’m curious about gourgeist sizes, 1s

[hot hamlet]

I’m running out of stuff off the top of my head

[stuck bane]

They all keep the same 122 defense, but me too tired to try and figure out what the differences are. Gn

[hot hamlet]

I care not for function, only fashion

[bitter comet]

Can you give me Malamar fusions?

Specifically head fusions

[hot hamlet]

[hot hamlet]

[bitter comet]

Cool

[hot hamlet]

Malamar/Toxapex looks like a Beyblade

As it flips the Toxapex over

[viscid fossil]

Malamar/Pikachu (real)

[oblique arrow]

Just kinda surprised this doesnt have a custom yet. I am certainly not the first person for a Azumarill/Aagron fusion

[hot hamlet]

Inlay/Kirlia=Inklings.
Inkay for Squid, Malamar for Kid

[viscid fossil]

I made this by zooming obs in really far into my go-to meme maker because it was genuinely the fastest way I could think to get that effect

[terse fable]

dead af lolll

[sweet horizon]

I will make

Even tho I mainly make wiggly sprites (wigglytuff)

[oblique arrow]

Oh damn! That would be so cool :D I feel like Wiggly is in the same aesthetic wheel house

[sweet horizon]

Yeah:3 cute round soft mons with low detail

I have also made some very dragony fusions in the past so aggron shouldn't be hard for me

I'll ping you when I make it and you can give me feedback:3

[oblique arrow]

<3

[sweet horizon]

Also, if you find any other fusions without custom sprites, you can use #sprite-requests

[oblique arrow]

oh tyty Im new here if you couldnt tell xD

[sweet horizon]

Understandable👍 now to go finish my wigglytuff/azurill sprite before working on azurill/aggron:3

[weak trellis]

aggron in general seems to have far more head fusions than body fusions so not surprised that azuma's missing even with the huge power temptation

[hot hamlet]

Flabebe gets in. Why? Only so we can fuse it to Doublade and get a Flabeblade (let it rip!)

[bitter comet]

You really like Beyblades don’t you?

[hot hamlet]

Not really but it was one of the shows I recall from my childhood

One of those “remember nothing about it except this weird thing happened” memories

[vestal flax]

I only remember the "bull" guy from metal fusion

[hot hamlet]

I only half remember a vhs ( or was it early dvd?) and I barely remember the plot. Only that the Bit Beasts thing was real and not just some representation of the tops doing damage to each other

[uncut hound]

I noticed a distinct lack of liepard propaganda so just dropping these here

[inland geyser]

I like the Misd and the Talonf the most

[uncut hound]

One of the first ones I made

[outer matrix]

Late reply but maybe inkay/smeargle for inklings instead, considering how octillery/smeargle gives out an octoling?

and perhaps smeargle/malamar for the kraken special?

[hot hamlet]

Fair. Still use Malamar for the humanoid form since Inkay makes for a good Squid form in terms of shape

Or the Kraken. Works better

Also I’d do Inkay body since it has the shape it needs. Just requires Smeargle’s paint quality so it can just be the head

[outer matrix]

Since I'm going to bed soon, if I were to make the smeargle & inkay fusion tomorrow, I would choose making smeargle the body fusion since it has an eyeliner(?) around its eyes, which would fit with referencing an inkling, plus some smeargle body fusions still have it using paint from its tail. Also, its ears could be replaced with inkay's arms, mimicking an inkling's hair tentacles

Lastly, inkay's color palette fits better with referencing an inkling, but that's what I think would fit best tbh

[hollow creek]

9 Days...

[velvet root]

And 4900 people that have to join

[hazy fable]

hi

DON'T VOTE THE ELEMENTAL MONKEYS

[hot hamlet]

Nobody here atm. Enjoy the echo chamber!

[hazy fable]

that means free advertisement

[sharp nebula]

lilligant
thank you for your time

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

drampa 🙂

[wanton grove]

monnkeys are my faovrite i cant wait for them to get in

[kind forum]

im going grey if the monkeys get it

[terse fable]

wait, we didn't all give monkeys 3 as a bit?

[trail hull]

Frog said if the new mons added are the elemental monkeys he would delete the game

[prime dust]

acceptable losses

[velvet root]

Man I wanna know who wins

[trail hull]

Don’t worry 9 days left

For one of the reveal

Also 5k before we reach 500k

[velvet root]

True

Hope they dont ping the whole server again

[alpine rune]

would be funny tho

[velvet root]

Hey Alpha you saw that?

[terse fable]

all doggos deserve 3's

https://tenor.com/view/stoutland-herdier-lillipup-yorkie-pokemon-gif-290826146199594738

especially this doggo

[civic harness]

Hello there guys

Time to send more propaganda

[left hinge]

My only 3s were

[velvet root]

To be fair there arent a lot of doggos
Manecrtic
Stoutland
Slurpuff
(And Delphox if we count Foxes to doggos)

[left hinge]

Vanilluxe, Staraptor and

Gigalith or something?

[left hinge]

what does requests open mean?

wait thats not the same thing

[velvet root]

You can request sprites

[civic harness]

Im going help with that

[hexed agate]

[terse fable]

Ping em all, weed out the weak

[hexed agate]

Already did

[simple gulch]

vote for monkies

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/barf-gnome-rainbow-gif-5150510

[spiral musk]

you'll go on hiatus?

[kind forum]

For how long, who can say

(10mins in protest)

[simple gulch]

vote for monkies so we can have 6 mons

[spiral musk]

6 times the same mon you mean

[simple gulch]

🗿6x the fun

[spiral musk]

you'll become the captain of team monkey then?

[simple gulch]

i will do once each and dip

[steel meadow]

This is why we should do burmy instead of monkeys. We get 7 different guys and all of them are great!

[idle owl]

Needs more cinderace (day 2 of my begging)

[stuck bane]

See pins

[prime dust]

5

[stuck bane]

I think mothim gives moth/im naming convention, so I heard someone say fusing with Abra could get us mothra

[prime dust]

burmy doesn't differ in stats or types for its cloak

only wormadam does

[prime dust]

gen 8+ will likely never occur

[stuck bane]

Bro how many times do we have to fight over this

[prime dust]

the tldr version: it is more complicated to add in mons from those gens due to coding issues

[stuck bane]

These 3

Determine these 3

[twin phoenix]

I wish Frog could come tell us but I don't wanna bother them to ask.

[prime dust]

burmy by itself, regardless of cloak form, has the same stats, typing and abilities

that does not mean there are 3 burmy, at best it is a battle shift depending on location

wormadam however does get different typing based on the cloak it has, and would be counted as 3 mons

[stuck bane]

Maybe frog will implement something that makes burmy only 1 slot

But until then, we assume it’s 3 because if there’s only 1 burmy form there’s only 1 wormadam form

I’m also doubtful of 1 slot because ultra necrozma tried that and even it had to get its own slot

[prime dust]

that was due to the issues with sprites and battle shifting not working correctly

but fine, that line is now 3 mons

[cobalt river]

if burmy gets in id hope itd be one slot, otherwise no ones going to sprite that poor thing
just make it a split evo depending on location/item

[prime dust]

atm the evo is split on gender in mainline games

which will complicate things since PIF doesn't have that

item would be more reasonable

[cobalt river]

all the more reason to just switch up how it evolves entirely id say yeah

[prime dust]

time of day could also be an option

[stuck bane]

Nah I like the first idea:

In grass, it’s wormadam grass

Caves, wormadam sand

Building, wormadam trash

Everywhere else, mothim

But then again it would need the green light from frog

[cobalt river]

location would be my preferred too i think or maybe location based for wormadam, item for mothim- but splitting it out that way seems complicated ao just location em all haha
yeah though, all depends on frog- …. and burmy ever getting in at all, i suppose

[prime dust]

the thing is location is needed for wormadam

as the cloak is what determines which varianty of it that burmy evos into

and each cloak has different typing

[molten latch]

I prefer Mothim

Wormadam is ok, but Mothim is slightly better

Also

Which Fossil should I choose.

[prime dust]

and the locations are already set in the database for burmy as well

[molten latch]

Should I praise the Helix or join the Dome side.

[prime dust]

the correct answer is always praise helix

[molten latch]

Ok

[prime dust]

that is why he is one of the 3 pokemon gods

[molten latch]

I've now join the covenant.

Anyways

[clear lichen]

I'm a Kabutops kind of guy, though I'm more neutral towards both Gen 1 fossils overall

[molten latch]

Yeah.

But I'm not gonna revive Omanyte, I'm gonna use the helix as my RNG wisdom.

[clear lichen]

On my way, I took the Dome fossil. I knew that if I didn't say what I took, you'd all ask. Actually, now that I think about it, everyone ask anyways. Comments are good for the YouTube Algorithm

[molten latch]

Ye

I'm once a Dome fossil picker aswell

But because this is a Nuzlocke and not an actual casual gameplay. Helix will give me wisdom along the way

Nothing more or less

I must praise

[clear lichen]

I'm gonna be fr I'm not gonna train up a Omanyte/Kabuto from that low of a level, aren't they usually only obtainable once reaching Cinnabar?

And I'm pretty sure they're given at a low level too

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

Oh OK they're given at level 30

I think that's underleveled for the area but not quite that bad

[molten latch]

Ok

Anyways

Time to make some propaganda

[clear lichen]

I still wouldn't bother training them up though

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[clear lichen]

Blaine is level 40 minimum

[molten latch]

Ye

[clear lichen]

And seeing the RBY AI, Blaine's AI is trash

He throws fights a lot

And loves using Potions on max HP Pokemon

[molten latch]

Oof

Atleast Water Pokemon Sweep

Also I'm free from the Zubat's Tunnel of Doom. . . Very scary

Idk why the Escape Rope is helpful. Which makes the game less brutal.

Ok back to the topic

I'm just gonna say that the Burmy line is underratrd, despite Mothim is my favorite than Wormadam.

[silent acorn]

Wormadam is monkey but worse because they don't even have different moves

I wish their designs were cooler but... No

It's pretty middle design

[silent acorn]

Why is mothim a mediocre mixed attacker

Why in the hell is it only 60 speed

[molten latch]

Yeah I understand

The design is better, but the stats is wack

[silent acorn]

You know Butterfree has like 30 less bst and atleast it focuses more

Design is mid

[molten latch]

Indeed

[sullen elbow]

they do tho

[silent acorn]

In fact id take the Wormadams for design

[empty pendant]

mothim's design is cute it's just really shit to use

mothim also has a really lovely shiny

[silent acorn]

Yeah no

[molten latch]

Also, should I evolved my Nidorino into a Nidoking or should I wait until higher levels?

[silent acorn]

There is cuter

A bug that is cute let's see

[empty pendant]

I think it is the cutest trash bug/flying

[clear lichen]

I think they have very slightly different movepools corresponding to the type

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah swaddle

[empty pendant]

Other bugs that are cuter are either not trash or not bug/flying

[silent acorn]

the perfect middle ground between derpy and cute

[molten latch]

More like "literally me" the pokemon

[empty pendant]

Ribombee? Bug/fairy. Sewaddle? Bug/grass. Venomoth? Bug/poison. Scyther? Not trash--

[silent acorn]

This is Grass Bug and the whole line is good

[silent acorn]

You played yourself. Ribombee is cute

[empty pendant]

No I didn't

[silent acorn]

It is cute

[empty pendant]

I said that Mothim is the cutest trash bug/flying

[silent acorn]

Or you gone tell me it's trash somehow

[empty pendant]

None of those are bug/flying

[sullen elbow]

Its not flying

[silent acorn]

Ribombee can be

If you fuse it

[empty pendant]

So even if they're cuter than Mothim they don't beat it at being a cuter bug/flying type

[clear lichen]

Scyther is Bug/Flying but it isn't cute

It's more so cool

[silent acorn]

What you need the flying type for?

We got heaps of those

[clear lichen]

And it is still a bit trash but that's more so BECAUSE it's Bug/Flying

[silent acorn]

Again why do you need more bug/flying?

[empty pendant]

I'm not saying you need more, I'm just saying it's the best of them looks-wise

[silent acorn]

Also wurmple I mentioned last time Is game freak making Butterfree and Venomoth duplicates

[silent acorn]

It's mid

[clear lichen]

Yeah but Beautifly is better than Butterfree

[empty pendant]

you're mid

[clear lichen]

So all is forgiven

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/vivillon-lepidoptera-tracking-tracking-your-movements-tracking-your-movements-as-we-speak-gif-13082049446703301354

[silent acorn]

How... So

[clear lichen]

Idk I just think the design is better

[empty pendant]

vivillon is not cuter than mothim. controversial opinion but it's very overdesigned

[clear lichen]

They're kinda equal amounts of terrible in competitive

So I can't really compare there

We don't need another but I do prefer Beautifly

[molten latch]

No wonder why Volcarona is good.

[clear lichen]

:P

[silent acorn]

Thats eh, because Vivillion has both beaten on that

[clear lichen]

True, Beautifly is overrated

[silent acorn]

If we talking colors the one with the most wins then

[clear lichen]

Wait Butterfree

Beautifly has like -1 fans

[twin phoenix]

Poor Masquerain..

[clear lichen]

Best Bug/Flying type fr

[silent acorn]

It's just... Eh...

[empty pendant]

I disagree. Vivillon has too much going on and the 5 million color schemes is a kinda cute idea until you realize it's another thing to force you to trade or be forever locked out of completion

[clear lichen]

Butterfree is also eh

[silent acorn]

Atleast masquerain can look cute or menacing

[clear lichen]

But it actually has fans because of the anime

[silent acorn]

Personally I always considered Masquerain cute

[clear lichen]

Still think Beautifly is better than Butterfree though

[silent acorn]

Anime ain't gonna be the end of all things savior

[empty pendant]

masquerain is cute but surskit had such a neat thing going on with being a pond skater and it's a shame it lost it

[silent acorn]

Because mah boi Corphish should be in for that

[twin phoenix]

I prefer Beautifly and Masquerain over Mothim.

[silent acorn]

The only true statement

[molten latch]

True

[silent acorn]

By the way mothim is a moth, but so is Masquerain

[twin phoenix]

I just like their patterns and shapes.

[clear lichen]

Oh BTW why did you make Latios/Cloyster Giant Clam from Terraria Calamity, I'm not complaining since Shell Smash with good stats goes brrrr but still

[silent acorn]

higher base stats than mothim and more useful abilities

[empty pendant]

clamity

[silent acorn]

Both are moths

[clear lichen]

All my current run carries are Ice type

:/

[silent acorn]

Ice type is really good when setup correctly

[empty pendant]

(the reason is bc I wanted to make the giant clam)

[silent acorn]

Ice breath is a badass move that should be apply to other types

[clear lichen]

You'd expect it to be opposite considering Calamitas uses kinda fire magic

[silent acorn]

In most RPGs ice is effective on fire

Ever since the Final Fantasy Era

[empty pendant]

also I've made like 10 calamity refs the clam is just one of them

[clear lichen]

Yeah I know, my other carry is also made by you

(Bisharp/Weavile)

I think like about a third of the references are by you actually

Which is unexpectedly high

(The number of references)

Wait shit I got sidetracked uhhhhhhhhh

Gigalith for Infinite Fusion yeah

[silent acorn]

No

[clear lichen]

Can't wait to lose every vote imaginable woohoo!

[silent acorn]

Crystal carbink risk

[clear lichen]

Yippee!

[clear lichen]

Gigalith better

Fr

[silent acorn]

I actually like gigalith but for some reason I feel like it doesn't get enough support

[empty pendant]

Both. Carbink/Gigalith

[terse fable]

In this case, I agree gigalith better

[molten latch]

Gigalith destroys Nuzlocke players

I think first timers

[clear lichen]

(I'm just massively biased towards Gigalith)

[silent acorn]

It has potential

[clear lichen]

Smh simply bait Explosion into the Ghost or Steel type frfr

[terse fable]

Carbink is just kinda lame in comparison, least Gigalith is a 3 line

[twin phoenix]

Gigalith has one of the nicest shinies for a rock type too..

[clear lichen]

Gigalith's shiny goes hard ngl

[silent acorn]

Not really for design

[clear lichen]

I still prefer the base colouration

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/roggenrola-pokemon-gif-24084693

[twin phoenix]

And I found a wild shiny Boldore once. One of my better captures.

[clear lichen]

As I do with most shinies

Gigalith is insanely underrated

[terse fable]

Design is exactly what I meant, it's weak

[clear lichen]

But at least it isn't overhated either

[molten latch]

I might be interested to put the roggenrola line in higher now.

[clear lichen]

They're both weak

[terse fable]

Not saying Gigalith is crazy either lol, just think it's better

[molten latch]

Plus Rocks are funny according to jojo fans.

[terse fable]

Replied a lil too fast to me there lol

[clear lichen]

You're basically voting entirely for design when it's Gigalith VS Carbink because they're both weak Pokemon that provide a small benefit

[molten latch]

Basically Substance vs Style

[clear lichen]

Gigalith is one of the few Sand Stream mons (worse than Ttar for that but if you for some inconceivable reason want Rock over Dark then there you go ig)

[terse fable]

But yea both aren't the best fusion wise

[silent acorn]

To be honest

[clear lichen]

Carbink is Fairy type

[silent acorn]

I didn't vote carbink

[terse fable]

But think gigalith has more to bring

[clear lichen]

Fairy is the best type in the game

[silent acorn]

I think there is more interesting Fairy types

[molten latch]

Revavroom destroys them all

[terse fable]

But spriters might have more ideas for one vs the other so you never really know

[clear lichen]

But yeah personally I just prefer Gigalith's design

Also, Gigalith canonically nukes mountains

[silent acorn]

Not when Poison exists

[slate basin]

Or steel

[clear lichen]

Steel is 2nd best partially because of Fairy

Poison is a C-B tier type

[silent acorn]

Man are you kidding

[clear lichen]

Steel also has 50 million other resistances

[slate basin]

Only when Nuzlocking this did I realize how many pokemon are weak to ground

[clear lichen]

Which is the bigger reason

Simply having 50 million resistances

[silent acorn]

The most common team integration use has One Dark/Poison wheezing because it has no weaknesses

[clear lichen]

No Weaknesses argument is dumb if the Pokemon in question doesn't have stats to back it up

But hey, unlike Electric, Poison/Dark does have the resistances to do so

[silent acorn]

Nothing hits it for times 2

But also

It's a guarantee Toxic atleast

It will survive unless it's a giga sweeper that's attacking it

Then there is shedinja

[clear lichen]

Eelektross is ass so that's not a guaranteed way to be good, I'd imagine that Weezing's decent physical bulk means that you could find a defensively good fusion though

[silent acorn]

Who by all means

Isn't weak to fairy

[clear lichen]

Poison/Dark is ironically though not resistant to Fairy

[silent acorn]

Not but it does hit it

[clear lichen]

And with Fairy being predominantly Special, and Weezing's special bulk being poor, it doesn't want to eat Fairy moves

[silent acorn]

And a good bit

[clear lichen]

And I'm also mainly referring to mainline Pokemon

[silent acorn]

Except if you were fusing Fairy/Steel

[clear lichen]

IF meta is still developing

Both from being not extremely played and from constant new additions

[silent acorn]

We gonna see lots of Steelix/Fairies now

[terse fable]

Also IF showdown has so many options

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's a good point

[terse fable]

My current addiction loll

[clear lichen]

With how many options there are I doubt the meta will ever stop developing, unless the playerbase finds it too overwhelming to continue

So I'd prefer to stick by how the current base game meta goes when talking about IF

And of course just learn about the metagame at the same time

[terse fable]

Yee that's fairr

[clear lichen]

Also technically Dark/Poison Weezing is weak to Mold Breaker ground moves

Or any other way to disable abilities

And I'd assume Mold Breaker being able to be on every Pokemon makes that a decent threat

Though it does announce itself

Actually that's a good reason to vote for Excadrill

More Mold Breaker options

And Sand Rush actually

[terse fable]

Yea and people love the regi Fusions which has mold breaker, at least in AG, in OU they have other options

[clear lichen]

Excadrill definitely provides a lot for competitive

And imo a lot for design as well

[hexed agate]

I mean, Gen 3 OU is still developed to this day

[clear lichen]

Excadrill would be a massive inclusion

[clear lichen]

Guess that proves my point

[terse fable]

Excadrill had a MASSIVE following in the last poll

[clear lichen]

This metagame has like over 200k Pokemon

[terse fable]

This time it's been crickets

[hexed agate]

It took them 20 years to use Charizard and Moltres

[clear lichen]

I wonder what other obvious things are hidden away here

Well not obvious

Actually there may be something obvious idk

You get what I mean

I wonder what strategies are undiscovered and waiting to change the metagame

[hexed agate]

I have a few anti-meta builds saved for a rainy day

Since that's what I enjoy building, non-meta teams to mess with meta

[clear lichen]

Honestly this metagame is extremely overwhelming idk if I'd ever be able to find something I feel good about

Because I have negative self esteem

[terse fable]

I actually have a few randomized teams just to see more options/learn more good fusion combos for comp

[clear lichen]

I'm probably gonna make some broken bs and then go "Man, this sucks ass"

And never use it

[hexed agate]

I'd find a building niche and polish it

You have a bunch of options meaning that if you slate what you need, you can match up for it

[clear lichen]

I think the biggest thing I did was help popularise Tangrowth before Pokeathalon was revealed to most of the Infinite Fusion fanbase

And considering how many people hate Tangrowth because of this I don't think that's a good thing

[hexed agate]

We had a different showdown b4

[clear lichen]

Oh fr?

[hexed agate]

Yeah

[terse fable]

Jigrowth is pretty big in IF showdown rn (jirachi/tangrowth)

[clear lichen]

Well I popularised it amongst the other Pokeathalon players

[hexed agate]

Mayhaps

[stuck bane]

It did? Where? I saw nothing

[clear lichen]

Yeah I was one of the earlier users of that in Pokeathalon

[hexed agate]

But saying you popularized an OU staple is like saying you just found this crazy niche with Garchomp

[terse fable]

Yea, people were hyping it up every day I was in there, which was every day more or less lol, had propaganda posters n everything

[clear lichen]

I was kinda just looking for a Grass/Steel type to fill the Ferrothorn shaped hole in my Ferrothorn shaped heart

[hexed agate]

I used ES day 1, as well as Boomburst Noivern/P-Z

[terse fable]

But again, this time nothing which is so weird loll

[stuck bane]

Oh you mean propaganda not like actual polling data

[clear lichen]

(It isn't disallowed it's just that this is a fusion game)

[terse fable]

Oh yeye, I should've worded it differently

[clear lichen]

And then I went "Hey Jirachi+Tangrowth with Regenerator seems broken"

[molten latch]

Oof

[stuck bane]

I mean, I want to believe people want excadrill, but the numbers don’t lie. Just surprised to see more numbers for crustle than excadrill, thought it would’ve been more popular

[terse fable]

I've seen it on quite a few teams I've spectated, pretty busted if they don't have that heavy hitting fire move loll

[molten latch]

Wait

[hexed agate]

Sprite potential

[molten latch]

How can you see the votes?

[clear lichen]

Sounds like Ferrothorn to me

Except Ferrothorn would just eat the Fire move and get necessary damage

Because Ferrothorn is built different

[terse fable]

Yea but jigrowth is better in the sense of wish imo

[stuck bane]

Only spriter vote but still

[clear lichen]

FerroGOAT

[terse fable]

That can change the game

[clear lichen]

Yeah Wishpass with Regenerator seems uhh

Unbalanced

[hexed agate]

That's last year's

[clear lichen]

To say the least

[molten latch]

Oh the previous vote.

[stuck bane]

This is true, crustle’s shell probably lends to more sprite potential

[clear lichen]

But Ferrothorn looks cooler

So it's automatically better

[stuck bane]

I can’t imagine many opinions have drastically changed since the last vote though, but ig we’ll find out

[velvet root]

Yeah and as head its lasagna

[hexed agate]

Excadrill will be a royal pain in the ass to sprite tbh

[clear lichen]

Also, tanking Mega Diancie Mystical Fire and OHKOing it back when Mystical Fire Mega Diancie is put on teams for Ferrothorn is hilarious

[molten latch]

You mean body right?

[stuck bane]

Oh maybe that’s why it was below it

[velvet root]

Nah
cuz the colors get changed
So when its head you have crab face and a body coverd in Lasagna

[velvet root]

Didnt try yet but I believe that to 100%

[molten latch]

I see

Anyways

[hexed agate]

You get brown, white and grey to work with the chest pattern going somewhere and you adding armor bits, it's like a Shelgon head fusion

[molten latch]

Do anyone think that Golisopod is gonna win?

[hexed agate]

Body will be okay ig, just not much to do with it

[velvet root]

but worse cuz the steel armor is sharp and shiny making it annoying

[clear lichen]

I feel like you could turn the claws into not a shell

Because yeah they're claws

[hexed agate]

Goli is cool, but the vote is more open this time

[clear lichen]

At least I'm like 90% sure they are

[hexed agate]

They close in front of it to turn it into a drill

[molten latch]

Either Style or Variety.

Because Elemental Monkes has better Variety

[clear lichen]

So claw drills

[hexed agate]

Neither thing is exactly fun or easy imo

[clear lichen]

Yeah I guess it'd be harder to draw

Or sprite actually

[hexed agate]

It's all hard angles on a limited canvas

[clear lichen]

Idk why I said draw when they're sprites

[hexed agate]

It's like Beedrill stingers except gloves

[clear lichen]

At the same time someone managed to sprite The Agency being up 1-5

Then swapping out into Clef, like they've already won

[molten latch]

Excadrill is ok gameplay wise but I understand that making the fusion is hard.

[clear lichen]

So maybe it's possible?

But yeah it definitely would be difficult

[molten latch]

Kinda

[clear lichen]

I can see why you wouldn't vote for it

[hexed agate]

I like Exca, just tough lol

I voted 2 iirc

[clear lichen]

(Honestly this says more about competitive players than spriting)

[hexed agate]

It's just not going to get a lot of love past introduction tbh

[clear lichen]

(We are dedicated to the weirdest stuff ever)

[hexed agate]

On that note, I want Crawdaunt

[clear lichen]

(Like bro I wrote an entire fucking essay on why FEAR is overrated as fuck)

[hexed agate]

Good spriting capacity and Adaptability on a physical mon

[molten latch]

You mean that one guy who ask to let Ice Type Magikarp in?

[clear lichen]

MR CRAW 📞

[civic harness]

You like crabs?

[hexed agate]

Dream right here for building: we get Craw and Goli, and you get front row seats to the meanest 1st impression

[molten latch]

Maybe

But Lurantis has better style

Despite being a grass type and only has 2 evo lines.

[clear lichen]

252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Rotom-Wash in Rain: 181-213 (59.5 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
WHAT THE FUCK IS A DEFENSIVE RESIST

[hexed agate]

Imagine if Water Bubble

[civic harness]

And what about the other crabs?

[molten latch]

Or Splash

[clear lichen]

This is why we also need Araquanid in

[hexed agate]

We can make our very own Urshifu

We will have Urshifu at home

[clear lichen]

Why stop at Urshifu

When you can ascend to Kyogre

[molten latch]

Let me guess Crawdaunt and Ursaring.

[hexed agate]

Nah, Araquanid and anything with a real stat

[clear lichen]

What would be the hardest hitting Water type in the game actually

Preferably Physical since Araquanid has higher physical Attack iirc

[hexed agate]

Water Bubble + Rain, water spout for best results

[clear lichen]

Ykw it's actually only 70/50

It's not that massive of a difference

I'd guess it's tied with the legendaries Kyogre and Palkia

[hexed agate]

You'd rather have a 300+ BP move than use your stronger stat

[molten latch]

Anyways

[clear lichen]

Araquanid/Palkia would be Water/Dragon

Ngl

[hexed agate]

Water Gem vs. Specs, realistically

[clear lichen]

This feels more like we're making our own Dracovish

[hexed agate]

Yep

[molten latch]

I mean

Ghost Dark and Water Ground are the best Styping

We never have that much ground type

[hexed agate]

Speaking of, Water bubble would get it to quadruple the BP of FRend

[clear lichen]

I'd argue only defensively

Except not even

Because Grass/Steel is the GOAT

[molten latch]

I see

[hexed agate]

POV: grass knot

[clear lichen]

You also contend with Steel/Fairy

[hexed agate]

And just fairies lmao

[molten latch]

Imagine Aegislash and Lurantis

Now thats a matchmading heaven

[hexed agate]

Deoxys/Lurantis

[molten latch]

That too

[hexed agate]

Free psycho boosts

[civic harness]

More anime girls?

[clear lichen]

I've always said it and I'll say it more, more resists are more important than less weaknesses in general

[gray vine]

[clear lichen]

That's vile I love it

[hexed agate]

Offensive options and immunities too

[clear lichen]

If we're talking pure defensively, then I'd prefer to ignore offensive options

Since that'd go over to more so best type overall

[near galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/tropius-pokemon-gif-27432751

[clear lichen]

Best Type Overall is probably one of the Fairy types

[near galleon]

As usual, vote for the Tropius

[clear lichen]

Fairy/Steel and Fairy/Ghost come to mind

[hexed agate]

Fairy/Steel still covers all the bases

[molten latch]

Fairy Ghost = Fluttermane

[clear lichen]

In fact, Fairy/Ghost being one of the best if not the best types in the game is part of why I'm coping so hard about Lunala being Psychic/Ghost

Lunala makes perfect sense as Fairy/Ghost

But instead of the best Ghost type ever

[molten latch]

Indeed

[hexed agate]

Since I'd argue part of a good defensive type is the ability to threaten would-be weaknesses

[clear lichen]

It gets easily the worst

I'd rather have pure Ghost over Psychic/Ghost

Any day of the week

[hexed agate]

Psychic is space, that's a tougher sell

[clear lichen]

It does help but from my POV I analyse things purely defensively since if a Pokemon had extremely low offences no amount of offensive coverage is helping

[hexed agate]

It's mystical vs. whimsical tbh

[clear lichen]

Though such a Pokemon would do worse anyways

Fairy is THE moon type

Moonblast and Moonlight both exist

And they're both Fairy moves

There isn't a moon related move not related to Cresselia that isn't a Fairy type

[hexed agate]

Because in part, the moon is associated with fairies

But it's not entirely

[molten latch]

Anyways

[clear lichen]

Honestly they kinda just started making the Fairy Type then stopped half way while changing the Gen 3 Pokemon it feels like

[molten latch]

Would everyone think other fairy types would be in the game?

[hexed agate]

Typically representations of the moon vs. moon-drawn power, if you will

[molten latch]

Like Ribbombee

[clear lichen]

LIKE BRO LUNALA'S BEST PSYCHIC DAMAGING MOVE BY LEVEL UP IS CONFUSION

IN GEN 7

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gojo-hollow-purple-toji-fushiguro-gif-5587134040840904917

[clear lichen]

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN PSYCHIC TYPE

[clear lichen]

Signature move, doesn't count

[hexed agate]

If we only go off of level up moves most mons are cooked

[clear lichen]

But yeah Lunala's best damaging Psychic move by level up in Gen 7 was fucking Confusion

[clear lichen]

At least Weavile got Ice moves

They go off its worse Special attack

But by themselves they're great moves

Tf are you gonna do with fucking Confusion

Tickle someone?

[molten latch]

Idk

[clear lichen]

At least give it fucking Psybeam or something

Preferably Psychic and/or Psyshock

Meanwhile Lunala gets both Moonblast and Moonlight by level up

[hexed agate]

Either way, I still think it's more befitting as a psychic type because of Psychic's relation with space

[molten latch]

Ouch

[clear lichen]

Lunala only got Psychic by level up in like Gen 9

TLDR: Fairy/Ghost Lunala should've been a thing

But instead they gave it to Misdreavus but with long hair

Misery

[molten latch]

Yeah

Still

[clear lichen]

Now I have to be reminded for all eternity

[hexed agate]

Now that's stupid

[molten latch]

Ghost Gremlin is good

[clear lichen]

Since Flutter Mane is like the most broken Pokemon that isn't a full blown Box Art tier Pokemon

[hexed agate]

Never forget all the potential rock/ghost Pokemon

[proud lion]

Would you want Shaymin after yesterday?

[clear lichen]

Except maybe some of the Treasures of Ruin

[molten latch]

Yes please

Hedgehog goober

[proud lion]

The Tails voice goober

[stuck bane]

Oh because of the movie? Even without that I think shaymin has something good like air slash serene Grace or something

[clear lichen]

And I also have to deal with people claiming Flutter Mane is easily the most creative Paradox like bro what the fuck lmfao its the least creative

I am in misery 👍

[molten latch]

Oof I mean its suppose to be a Pteranodon

Or somewhat

[clear lichen]

💀 it clearly isn't

[molten latch]

Yeah which doesnt help

[clear lichen]

That's just the dex entry writers being stupid

[proud lion]

Misdreavous but with ribbons

[clear lichen]

How you see a floating ghost head with slightly longer hair than usual and go

"Yup, this is a Pteranodon"

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-terminalmontage-roaring-moon-flutter-mane-fight-gif-58251789017785676

[ember bear]

what's up with fairies and long ribbon things anyway

[molten latch]

Atleast its still a ghost gremlin.

[stuck bane]

Yeah high base speed and being able to remove the grass typing would make it enticing to showdown players, if it were in the vote

[molten latch]

Be angry like Roaring Moon but atleast Flutter Mane takes the crown 2nd place on Smogon and VGC

[clear lichen]

Honestly idk why Flutter Mane won that one, I know it's a fast Fairy type but Miraidon literally wins the 1v1

Because Miraidon is unbalanced

[stuck bane]

Fluttermane 1: “why are you braiding your hair to look like dinosaur wings?”

Fluttermane 2: “nah, shut up, this is gonna be so funny”

[clear lichen]

And also since they took the dex entries literally, Miraidon can "scorch the land" with its electricity

Bro fr so strong it canonically ignores type matchups

[molten latch]

Even then, its RNG

[clear lichen]

The more I think about Flutter Mane the more mad I get at it ngl

[molten latch]

Still I love my Bike eating Sandwich

[stuck bane]

… that sounds like it just stole from Zek and Resh dex entries

[molten latch]

Again, get mad like Roaring Moon. I won't stop you.

[clear lichen]

I guess Electric/Dragon legendaries love ignoring type matchups then

[ember bear]

even stole the typing

[clear lichen]

Ngl I think scorching the world is a lot higher scale than scorching the land

Miraidon's "just" an apex predator in a land with Pokemon rivalling the strength of lower end legendaries

[molten latch]

Indeed

Still a lovable Bike eating Sammich

[clear lichen]

Also if Koraidon and Miraidon are apex predators doesn't that mean by default they beat Flutter Mane 1v1

Or at least Koraidon does

In canon at least

Idk, Lockstin are the ones taking the dex entries literal here even if they're extremely unreliable

[stuck bane]

Damn they stole the future past themes from unova and even reworded dex entries? I’m kinda hating SV fr now tho

[ember bear]

mane is immune to both kora's stab 🔥

[clear lichen]

Koraidon's just built different ig

(In game Koraidon's getting destroyed but shh)

(The dex writers don't know that)

[clear lichen]

Also tf you mean future past theme from Unova

Unova is truth ideals

[stuck bane]

Bro did you not play BW, they deadass had whole towns based on future and past depending on the game you played

[ember bear]

dex writers and whoever decides the stats of the pokemon are so distanced it's like they have no idea of what the other is doing

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[clear lichen]

Yeah I played B2W2

[ember bear]

like tinkaton should prey on corviknights and yet the latter tanks everything

[clear lichen]

Lol

If it is in B2W2 then clearly its post game

I didn't play their post game much, I did like a few times though

Not a lot of times tbf

[molten latch]

NGL but the main character is into bald adults

[clear lichen]

What

[molten latch]

I'm not making this up, its a canon event

[stuck bane]

Ok read this: https://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/blackcitywhiteforest.shtml

[stuck bane]

Which one?

[clear lichen]

That doesn't help explain what you mean by that

[molten latch]

Rosa

[stuck bane]

The B2W2 chick? Why?

[molten latch]

Idk, everyone said that it's canon.

[stuck bane]

Also wasn’t their thing like romancing a famous pokestar studios actor on the Ferris wheel or something?

[clear lichen]

Doesn't seem extremely futuristic to me, seems more like a representation of the present urban areas

[molten latch]

Anyways getting off the topic sorry.

[clear lichen]

Tbf there's like a singular picture of black city on that page

[clear lichen]

(Oh and also present more rural and wild areas)

[molten latch]

But yeah, Flutter Mane is good despite Miraidon sweeps

The Ghost and Fairy typing aint not lying.

[clear lichen]

Miraidon being able to either 50/50 Flutter Mane if it's Specs or being favoured to win if Flutter Mane isn't specs is kinda dumb

That's my biggest complaint with SV actually

Since even my main complaint with Flutter Mane stems from it

The powercreep is simply absurd

Latios is slow now

[stuck bane]

What do you mean this isn’t futuristic for 2011:

[clear lichen]

You didn't give me those pictures in particular

[velvet root]

I fused my least fav mons a year ago

[clear lichen]

So you can't really expect me to know

[stuck bane]

All I know is garchomp is no longer OU and they made a sad song about it

[molten latch]

Our arch nemesis?

[clear lichen]

Still wouldn't say it's quite uhh

[molten latch]

Idk why Marshadow is being hated.

[clear lichen]

How long into the future are Miraidon and the other Future Paradoxes from?

[ember bear]

shrug

[clear lichen]

Idk but if they all had to turn into cyborgs to live I'd assume a shitlong later

That's not even an actual quantifier

[stuck bane]

Marshadow was hated because there were a few annoying people in the first vote

[clear lichen]

It's just a long long time

[ember bear]

some people just started to hate on specific pokemon after the last time there was a vote

yeah

[molten latch]

Ah yes the riggers

[clear lichen]

Why would Marshadow be hated

Marshadow is peak

[molten latch]

Those who tries to rig the votes

[stuck bane]

Also nobody is allowed to say both Melo are the same when marshadow has THOSE form changes

[clear lichen]

Best Mythical, fight me

[ember bear]

it's not really a form for marshadow

[clear lichen]

Marshadow's seperate forms probably wouldn't be implemented separately since they don't really differ much at all, it's more so an animation than a form honestly

It is technically a form but like nobody thinks of it as such

[stuck bane]

Celebi, jirachi, shaymin, meloetta, victini, genesect, arceus, darkrai, diancie

[molten latch]

Its more of a Fans (Raid)ing the vote for Mar(shadow) because it's a (legend)ary.

[clear lichen]

Unless you think Marshadow should have an entire new set of sprites while it attacks

[deft obsidian]

Idk about how strong is
It's just looks boring

[clear lichen]

Celebi is mid imo

Others I can see arguments being made but I don't really see the appeal behind Celebi personally

And even then I'd still say Marshadow's the best

[ember bear]

it has nice stab, with a pretty busted signature

[clear lichen]

Arceus is probably the closest for me

[stuck bane]

Marshadow over darkrai is wild

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

Nah, Darkrai's overrated

DISCLAIMER: IT ISNT BAD

OVERRATED DOES NOT MEAN BAD

I need to clarify that

Because people online love to call things overrated to say they suck

I literally still have Darkrai in low S tier for me

It's just that I don't think it's quite top 10 material

Like I see others insist

[molten latch]

I understand

[clear lichen]

That's all just opinion though

I see why people would put Marshadow below Darkrai

But personally I'd put it above Darkrai

[clear lichen]

cough cough Megalovania

cough cough Charizard

Oh, sorry, something got stuck in my throat

[ember bear]

charizard is pretty much both overrated and overhated

[molten latch]

Sans Undetale ||go into my eyes||

[clear lichen]

Somehow, yup

I'd personally put it like mid B tier I think

Gmax Zard is overrated though imo

I cannot get over those disproportionately sized wings

[ember bear]

i mean with how much they are pandering charizard it's understandable why some people straight up hate on it

[molten latch]

Gamefreak just really loved and obssessed with Charizard.

[clear lichen]

And that's with regular Zard's wings already feeling a bit small at times

[molten latch]

Ye

It couldve been a dragon type but i get that dragon type is broken

cough cough Dragonite

[ember bear]

well it was broken