pif-hoenn-discussion

[twin phoenix]

Yes, it is Lilligant!

[small tiger]

What’s cham

[twin phoenix]

Medicham.

Wish Lillipup family got more love.

[simple gulch]

pant pant pant

[stuck bane]

Stoutland: all 3 are distinct enough to count as their own fusions, no wasted slots, it’s the only normal type with sand rush, with good attack, defense, and special defense, and fully evolves at level 32 (can be obtained directly after Surge on hard mode with level caps)

[small tiger]

Ah, Scrafty’s better for big pants since you can get JSR refs

Medicham would be good for a Psy BTD6 ref tho

[neon ferry]

I voted 3 for Lillipup line

[twin phoenix]

Scrafty has pants but I needed the Cham pants to recreate one of my favorite MegaMan characters.

[simple gulch]

why it need to be a 3 stage

[neon ferry]

I actually prefer mons that evolve more often... so that's a win in my books

[deft obsidian]

Palkia lilligant when?👁️ || if you made concept and don't feel to sprite it, ping matin , I glad to sprite lilligant (especially with my own palkia pallet)||

[twin phoenix]

Uhh.. I'm sitting on 3 Gothitelle ideas, my half finished Zapdos sprite, a final version of my Palkia/Noivern idea for hero, and the counterpart to one of my Meloetta sprites. Might be a while since I sprite really slowly.

Ideas keep coming before I can finish older ones.

I'll keep the ping thing in mind.

[outer matrix]

Speaking of gothitelle, what Pokémon should I fuse it with?

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm

Gothitelle

Hmmmm how does Kangaskhan Sound?

Like One little Goth one Mother goth

[simple gulch]

Gard

[twin phoenix]

Absolutely adorable.

[silent acorn]

Gard?

[twin phoenix]

No, your Kangaskhan idea.

[silent acorn]

Can you share what the ideas are?

[simple gulch]

:v so about the buffler ,who will make sprite?

[outer matrix]

Idk tbh

[silent acorn]

I like Kangaskhan/Jinx its adorable

[simple gulch]

mismagius

🍵

[outer matrix]

I'll cook?

[silent acorn]

cute

[silent acorn]

Cresselia, Giratina and... Machoke?

[twin phoenix]

Yeh~

[silent acorn]

I love the Giratina, but the cresselia is nice

It's an amazing design for the hair

[rough hound]

is this toxicroak-y enough yall?

[silent acorn]

No no the GIRATINA

[twin phoenix]

The Cresselia sprite so far is doo doo, ugh~

That red in the front should be the signature round throat, me thinks.

[rough hound]

k ill continue working

[silent acorn]

What is with the mouth?

[high haven]

Anyone want to do a collab for the elusive dex?

[simple gulch]

maybe just use round throat bubble

[silent acorn]

I can't contribute more than ideas and help with dex entries... So...

[simple gulch]

make it into fur tuff look unrecognizable

[neon ferry]

Needs more 🐸

[twin phoenix]

Maybe it could also use that white tummy area that resembles bandages.

[velvet root]

That sprite made me give a 3 to Blitzle

[stuck cave]

What happens if the second bracket of votes ends up containing a Pokemon that won the first vote

Does the choser get to repick?

[velvet root]

yes

[silent acorn]

I mean you have to, can't have the sams

[stuck cave]

Neat

[silent acorn]

So no archeops manipulation like last time

Let's be real that little funny stunt is why it became this new thing

Plus it's more entertaining for froggo and co

High chance a tourney winner picks archeops... But....

I mean... How does it even work if there is two people with the same mon?

[feral bear]

I will pick agumon

[feral bear]

Its a vote between all the selected mons, so having 2 of the same wont do anything besides remove a slot that could have gone to something else from the voting sheet

Frog confirmed this yesterday i believe

[eternal timber]

That wasn’t really a weird thing tbh, the other one was a raffle so someone wanted archen to have two tickets

[velvet root]

The moment when I think about spriting a Grumpig fusion

[feral bear]

Bc i said if i won elusive pokedex i might just pick Slurpuff to double the chances but then he corrected me

[eternal timber]

That isnt really a funny little stunt to have one option have twice the chance

It probably isnt why there’s a change either

Last time we were voting for 20 slots worth of Pokemon

This time we’re voting for one line/bundle worth

Making the winner thing a vote means we get to vote for 2 things, but one of those votes is from a smaller selection

[velvet root]

noooo there is no good Slaking base I could use qwq

[silent acorn]

Aaaaaaah so we could still get a duplicate

Though... Wouldn't that mean the other winners turning on each other and then going for the one that's not a duplicate? How will they vote? Is it multiple choice?

[feral bear]

No like if 2 ppl pick slurpuff, it wont matter because you cant vote 1 to 3 on it twice, idk if i am making sense lol like its not a raffle this time we r just deciding what the small vote has on the list

Like the second vote is going to be a form like the first one, but instead of all the mons that are not in IF yet being on it, it will just have the mons that the winners choose listed for them to then go thru and vote 0 to 3 on them all

[silent acorn]

So... Like it doesn't do anything?

[feral bear]

Yes sadly

It would just be taking away a slot for a potential other line to get into the vote

[stuck bane]

Not impossible. Winning gives you voting power, and you could “block” competition by picking something like burmy that nobody would vote for, increasing the odds for your Mon to have a sweep

[feral bear]

But if your mon isnt well liked in the first place then that doesnt matter bc people will give it a low score regardless of wbat you do, and it was stated that we cant even vote at all for our own choice

Wait im not sure i understood that correctly

[silent acorn]

Yeah you can't choose your own

[feral bear]

So like as much as i want to pick beautifly it would be a waste sadlyyyy

[silent acorn]

You know... This is a fair strat

Pick something like binacle and go hard for your own team

[feral bear]

Or even tsareena, who is very widely disliked. I am better off picking something cool or popular rather than niche

[stuck bane]

Yeah. Here lemme give an example like this

Somebody wins and puts Lilligant on list

I win a surprise contest that judges how much someone loves a region

Instead of picking something that could give Lilligant competition, I pick luvdisc, making it more likely for Lilligant to win since I don’t care about luvdisc winning, just Lilligant

[velvet root]

Tsareena isnt disliked in this community tho

[stuck bane]

Idk if I would do that even if I were participating in contests, but it is an option

[hollow creek]

14 more days

[silent acorn]

More luck picking Patrat

[hollow creek]

I only find tsareena mildly weird

[feral bear]

That makes sense, would require some luck or cooperstion tho

[feral bear]

Are you kidding me lmaoo theres likes 4 tsareeba riders and like 70 haters, she is very controversial

[silent acorn]

If you want that very same mon and you picked like the ultra disliked like Patrat or Volbeat you could achieve it

[stuck bane]

Have you so quickly forgotten about watchinja?

[silent acorn]

Not actually, lilligang supports generally speaking the plant ladies

[velvet root]

I never saw a single hater on this server

Tsareena hater to be exact

[stuck bane]

Like 8 of those winners are competitive

[feral bear]

Blaq, datorre, mods in general

[silent acorn]

Ain't that more like they just prefer something different? I know Blaq likes animal mons more

[velvet root]

Fair
But the mods seem to dislike Grass types in general

[hollow creek]

Blaq likes types diversity the most

[silent acorn]

The discrimination is real

[hollow creek]

and ribombee

[silent acorn]

Lol

[clear lichen]

Should I try IF Singles to see if I could win?

[feral bear]

No blaq has stated that he is very against her lol he just said it like yesterdsy and has been saying that for like the past year and a half

[velvet root]

yes

[clear lichen]

I'm not very good at competitive but I'd say I have decent fundamentals

[feral bear]

Trust me guys i have been absolutely riding for her and battling ppl since the last vote lol

[hollow creek]

Tsareena is nice, i'd just do more head fusions that bodies

[feral bear]

And its fine that they dont like her i totes get it but alas she is quite controversial and it would be a waste for me to pick her

[stuck bane]

You wake up

You’re locked in to a battle with this fusion and it just used mean look

Wyd?

[hollow creek]

triple axel is GOATED though, idk if thats in IF

[feral bear]

Like i know at least 1 winner so far would give her a 0 so its a no go sadly

[clear lichen]

Using Toxic, probably

Or Will-O-Wisp

Or Knock Off

Or Stealth Rock/Spikes into Roar/Whirlwind

[hollow creek]

I have a lot more controversial likes than I do dislikes

[stuck bane]

Does everything still have toxic in Gen 7?

[clear lichen]

Yeah the Toxic cut was Gen 8

[stuck bane]

Ok then that’s fair, still a menacing build tho and can flip a game if you send it in against the right Mon

[clear lichen]

Is Baton Pass not banned in IF OU?

[velvet root]

I gave it a read and his main problem with that seems to be that all the people who dont give a fuck about the rules and make special fusions with her giving him and other mods more work

[silent acorn]

Lilli...?

[hollow creek]

3

[stuck bane]

Idk this was a meme build we made after learning Watchog… 1s

[feral bear]

What number did u give tsar? 👀

[silent acorn]

Uh oh...

[stuck bane]

See this

[hollow creek]

2 , but ive been thinking about changing it to 3

[silent acorn]

Juju about to perform some Jujutsu

[feral bear]

See yall!!! Liligant is sadly the more well liked plant girl

[hollow creek]

because I really like bounsweet too

[clear lichen]

Also, Mean Look doesn't work if your opponent isn't dumb and swaps out immediately

But against an AI yeah that's free

[silent acorn]

It's because she is a different more innocent flavor

[feral bear]

Demure appeals more to ppl than sexy

[silent acorn]

A little princess that can sweep

[feral bear]

Yea exactly

[hollow creek]

Bounsweet and steene have a lot more potential that petilil so Im going to reverse those two actually

[velvet root]

The petilil in the game is another reason many want it

[silent acorn]

As I mentioned Bellossom is Hawaiian Kirby

I dont hate Bellossom but boy is it a letdown for designs, even Vileplume does more

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-25743071

btw hes cool

[stuck bane]

It’s not Lilligant is the most beautiful or gorgeous Pokémon ever, it’s a large combination of counterpart missing and overworld Mon, and then overworld Mon being removed when necrozma update rolled around sparking outrage

[feral bear]

[Redacted]

[clear lichen]

Gothitelle would be such a major inclusion

In competitive

[stuck bane]

Shadow tag with attacking moves has absurd potential

[clear lichen]

It's a Shadow Tag Pokemon that isn't complete trash

[stuck bane]

It’s at least an option that isn’t wobbuffet

[feral bear]

Whoa blacked out again

[clear lichen]

And Shadow Tag is broken

[stuck bane]

Gothitelle: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only psychic type to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk, also the only psychic type with access to play nice, and the only pure psychic type with access to tickle naturally, and the only pure psychic type with access to double slap, and the only pure psychic type with access to embargo naturally, and the only pure psychic type to learn fake tears naturally, and the only pure psychic type to learn feint attack, and the only pure psychic type to learn flatter naturally, it also brings goth names like gothkid, gothqueen, goth jr., etc.

Oh yeah it also doesn’t have to run shadow tag and can do stuff like competitive

So whenever you see one you have to gamble on what set you’re up against

[clear lichen]

We should revert the Litwick line HA changes and give it Shadow Tag back

[feral bear]

🤯

[clear lichen]

I'm totally not biased towards Chandelure guys trust me

[hollow creek]

If i manage to win any events im either choosing clawitzer, malamar or araquanid, most likely malamar

[silent acorn]

Uh hu...

[stuck bane]

I think it didn’t have it in Gen 5 therefore since the engine used to be Gen 5, it didn’t get it

[silent acorn]

All based but I want to say Clawitzer and Malamar just have the more sickass potential

REMINDER THIS

[clear lichen]

No it did have it in Gen 5

Just that it wasn't obtainable

[stuck bane]

I’ve had this misconception too, it didn’t, it was changed in Gen 6

[silent acorn]

GOD

[stuck bane]

But by then it was too late

[clear lichen]

If it was changed in Gen 6 it had it in Gen 5

[hollow creek]

Mons with both a lot of competitive and spriting potential are the most likely to win this second vote, and slurpuff is tough competition because its literally both of those things to a T so I gotta pick something I like AND has a chance of winning

[clear lichen]

And like I said, HA Chandelure is completely unobtainable in Gen 5

You can't get it via any means necessary

Thus, it effectively didn't have a HA or Shadow Tag

But man, if it did

[clear lichen]

That would be hilarious

[spiral musk]

I want gothielle in purely to hit unsuspecting spriters with the cursed knowledge of how the legs actually look like

[silent acorn]

@hollow creek i gotcha covered

[clear lichen]

Lmao

[hollow creek]

Ok no its araquanid, water bubble does WHATTTT????

[clear lichen]

Yup

One of the most busted abilities in the game

Balanced by being put on Araquanid

[hollow creek]

The spriting potential is great too

[clear lichen]

True

[stuck bane]

Bias tells me to tell you to vote for araquanid

Although I love araquanid, I don’t think spriters like it as much as malamar

But hey, if you think it has spriting potential pick it I’d love to have it

[silent acorn]

I also don't think that

I certainly don't love that one, sure has no drawback but it's meh

[hollow creek]

Its honestly a 50/50, cause malamar is a very cool squid but serperior with contrary is going to come in sooner or later, like by the end of the year at the earliest

[silent acorn]

That's awfully optimistic

[stuck bane]

Both would be amazing choices to contend with Slurpuff (sorry Clawitzer)

[silent acorn]

Also... Serperior has it as a HA

[hollow creek]

I know, probably not by end of the year lol

[silent acorn]

Like I get wanting Serperior and that it has it. But it sure is nice having the eldritch squid with the busted ability

I like to imagine the fire prowess of contrary with overheat

[clear lichen]

Contrary Draco Meteor+Overheat would be funny

A few Dragons get both

Not very many

[silent acorn]

New meta

[clear lichen]

But it is possible

[hollow creek]

Idk malamar or araqaunid is a coinflip

[twin phoenix]

I knew this because of the 3D Pokédex I got for the 3DS.

[spiral musk]

yeah but I doubt most ppl know that

[hollow creek]

I LOVED THAT THING

its the only reason why I know pokemon so well

[silent acorn]

Arceus says Malamar, even it doesn't know why it created it

[hollow creek]

I really hope they do a bonus pick, just 1, it'd be nice

[stuck bane]

I have a feeling they will, be it a few options to round us up to an even number

Either that or halloween/christmas/new years holidays are around the corner, we may get a few additions then

I think this new vote is to just judge how opinions have changed over time, especially with new IF competitive and dex entry and what those groups may be rooting for

And then frog may consider that when adding when he wants to add (he may also ignore it)

[hollow creek]

Well this IF day is like a holiday, I would expect this to be a reoccuring thing every year'

[stuck bane]

That as well, but also let’s tamper our expectations to not get anywhere NEAR what we got last year

But also I severely doubt this will be the only time every year they add Pokémon. Other holidays could work too, depending on the Mon (maybe valentines could be one too considering I think it was just skipped last year because frog was already adding meloetta AND cresselia)

[hollow creek]

Yeah I wasnt saying 50 mons each year, fusion day, major holidays and whatever event is planned for the legendaries and starters

[hidden relic]

Maybe not the mon additions

[small tiger]

vote tsareena

[hidden relic]

But Fusion Day is planned to be recursive

No, recursive is the wrong word methinks. Annual is better.

[hollow creek]

Oh, the way it was laid out made it seem like every year there would be two new additions, but I hope fusions day is recursive, its fun

[velvet root]

Idk what to do with the elusive dex entrys qwq

[hollow creek]

I have 1 in, I just have to do a second one for my other turtynator

[velvet root]

Thats my first one (kinda WIP)
Skiddo/Piplup
"The rocky spots where POKENAME makes its nests are its home. It constructs a nest from pine branches, while also marking its nest with a small portion of the needles on its neck."

[hollow creek]

Cute!

[velvet root]

does it sound better if I change "while also marking its nest" to "while also marking the nest"

[hollow creek]

I think "the" is better, to avoid using "it" twice

[velvet root]

perfect
Thanks!

[strange ether]

when do we know what mon gets added?

[feral bear]

I am always available for pokedex entry collabs!!!!

[velvet root]

since the votes started we dont really get any new people on the server

[velvet root]

If you collab in the Elusive Dex event you have to find a mon you and the other person want

[analog stag]

So what is the question mark event thing today?

On the schedule

[strange ether]

when do we know what mon gets added?

[velvet root]

when we have 500k members

[civic harness]

493.955 members for now

493.953 members now

[spiral musk]

we lost a lot of ppl when the new pokemon poll got announced

[civic harness]

Really?

[spiral musk]

bc of the @ everyone

prob ppl who joined a while ago and forgot about it

[civic harness]

Oh shoot

Well, we need to wait

[snow scroll]

contrary draco meteor would be a nightmare to face on non-remix

which is why we should add it

please devs let this happen it would be so funny

[stuck bane]

That is a good reason for malamar. Encountering contrary on my runs, either from me or my opponent, would be a game changer

Again I’d be happy with either but araquanid is just one I like the design of more

[grave jolt]

Counterpoint:

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-squirrel-gif-26992616

[terse fable]

I think I gave them a 2 iirc

[stuck bane]

If I have Emolga a 3, yeah I think I gave pachi a 2, despite not offering unique typings or moves like dedenne and togedemaru, it has such a cultural impact from DP anime and VGC that it still contends with them

[grave jolt]

I gave both Pachirisu and Emolga 3 since either one getting in would be great though I think Emolga getting in would kill Pachis chances of getting in for a while

[stuck bane]

Eh, I don’t think so, we had that giant slew of dragons after all, it would take a few more than 2 new pikaclones for frog to probably consider a veto

Emolga and pachi would be my top picks out of all of them though, the other pikaclones try too hard and then there’s plusle and minun

[clear lichen]

"Giant slew" and yet there's less non legendary Dragons than non legendary Fairies

:/

There's almost as many legendary Dragons as non legendary Dragons

I've said this multiple times and I'll say it again, Dragon type is only oversaturated if you're playing a randomiser

[stuck bane]

I mean, new additions, in the last vote we literally got altaria, noivern, and Goodra, just off the top of my head there’s probably more non-legends

[clear lichen]

And even then you're gonna be encountering a lot more of other types

[clear lichen]

I literally counted the number of dragons and iirc there's 11 fully evolved non legendaries and 10 legendaries

Iirc Fairy had 12 fully evolved members

I can recount if you want

[twin phoenix]

Ta da~

[stuck bane]

No, read what I’m saying

We have so many legendary dragons, I know

That doesn’t matter

Altaria+noivern+goodra, which were ONLY additions from the last vote, are probably the reason kommo was vetoed

I’m arguing the same here

If Emolga and pachi are added as part of the same update, it’s probably not enough for either of them to be vetoed

[clear lichen]

Yeah but those aren't very good reasons when the number of Dragon types that arent legendaries is still extremely lacking

And yeah Emolga and Pachirisu being in the same update probably wouldn't get one removed

[stuck bane]

Ok fine you wanna play let’s play

[clear lichen]

12 fully evolved Fairy types (4 primary Fairy/only Fairy)
11 non legendary fully evolved Dragon types (6 primary/only Dragon)

And then 10 fucking legendary Dragon types

Certified moment of all time

[stuck bane]

Here’s your options

Missing dragon types:
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Guzzlord
Naganadel

Zygarde, guzz, and naganadel are out because legends and UBs

Druddigon, Dragalge, turtonator, Drampa, kommo-o

What a vast number of non-legendary dragons for you to choose from

[clear lichen]

That just means they're an extremely rare type

Also, Kommo-O

Kommo-O's my choice

[stuck bane]

Yes, it’s fine

[clear lichen]

Kommo-O's one of my higher priority picks honestly

[stuck bane]

But don’t be arguing we don’t have enough non-legendary dragons when it’s only possible for us to obtain 5 more

[clear lichen]

I'm not arguing that I'm arguing that those arguing we have too many dragons are dumb

Or play randomiser

Because obviously in a randomiser Dragon is quite a lot more common

Also, even if we look at the non legendary dragon types, a lot of them tend to be among the rarer Pokemon in the games they are found in

So they aren't "too common"

[stuck bane]

I’m not arguing that so why are you arguing that, we already have 11 non-legend dragons, that’s well over 2/3rds of all the non-legendary dragons we could obtain

Do all the dragons have aspects to bring? Yes

Is it fair to say we “only have 11 non-legendary dragons” when the most we can have is 16? Absolutely not

[clear lichen]

I dont think the number of max Pokemon of a certain type matters as to why we shouldn't have more if I'm being fully transparent

[terse fable]

I don't think people are arguing they're too common to be found in game, they're arguing they're too common of a voting pick when you look at the last poll and the way people voted

but that being said, we do need another dragon

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

[stuck bane]

Not like it would change much, only Mon that won last time is kommo and it’s so far slated to win again unless public opinion has drastically changed after inclusions of altaria, noivern, and Goodra

(Or, unless of course, it’s vetoed again, but that’s up to frog)

[clear lichen]

Considering the Kommo-O hate I see, a lot of which being based around how many Dragon types there are, I'm betting on it losing

Even if I want it to be in

[velvet root]

What dex sounds better
"POKENAME has its home on stony beaches. It builds their nest out of pine branches and uses it's own needles, that grow on his neck, to mark it as their own."

OR

"The rocky spots where POKENAME makes its nests are its home. It constructs it from pine branches while also marking the nest with a small portion of the needles on its neck."

[stuck bane]

Do also remember this channel means nothing in the grand scheme of things, especially the main vote

We really only argue for people who read this channel, mostly spriters, mods, dex entry people, etc.

The average main voter doesn’t read this, they in fact leave the server when pinged

[terse fable]

I think the first

[clear lichen]

I'm gonna be honest they're pretty much the same but rephrased, I don't think they'd receive too much of a point difference. I'd go with the first since "rocky spots" sounds a bit too informal for a dex entry

[terse fable]

Yea there's people in here who don't know a vote is even going on lol

[clear lichen]

But that's more of a nitpick

[stuck bane]

(Iirc a mod said that number is still going down slowly over time as we speak(

[grave jolt]

I only argue here cuz I find it fun

[strange ether]

first one

[velvet root]

Someone combined them a lil
“POKENAME makes its nests on rocky beaches. It builds them out of pine branches and marks them with special needles that grow on its neck.”

[stuck bane]

Same, I’ve heard arguments for so many mons I would’ve otherwise given low scores

[terse fable]

I don't really argue in here but I like to see people's points on mons and stuff

If I didn't do that I probably woulda gave Gogoat a 2 isntead of a 3

[clear lichen]

I've heard arguments I agree with and some I don't and usually I just say it's just their own opinion but the dragon type slander for being too common annoyed me a bit (a lot)

[grave jolt]

I see the debating as part of the community experience, as most of the pokemon I really want (most) are in the game already.

[clear lichen]

The Pokemon I'd want most in the game are either legendaries or from gens 8 and 9

[trail hull]

Tommorow we're getting our third member

[clear lichen]

I still do want a lot of Pokemon in though lol

[terse fable]

hypee

[clear lichen]

(There's even some that fit both criteria, like Ogerpon and Chi-Yu)

[stuck bane]

PIF votes, are like the American voting system

||most people do not wish to make informed decisions as voters and go with an impulse||

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wooloo-roll-wooloo-gif-8705850203502320024

[trail hull]

will it be competitive , will it have a lot of spriting potential? No one knows , but what we know is that there canonly be one

[clear lichen]

My decisions are either decently well thought out votes or something along the lines of "haha Sheer Force Choice Band Flare Blitz in Sun goes brrrrrr"

[earnest mortar]

we NEED wooloo for a Mareep fusion

[terse fable]

I mean most people are making decisions based off looks and nostalgia I imagine, which are fine reasons to give mons 3's since the main thing of this game is sprites and looks

[grave jolt]

I originally started supporting Pachirisu as a meme, but the more I looked into it the more I actually wanted it.

[clear lichen]

(Tbf I like Darmanitan's design as well a ton)

[terse fable]

At least that's how I've seen it, otherwise why not just use autogens

[stuck bane]

It’s likely to have both, like Slurpuff, who has fairy and unburden for competitive, and has dessert fusions for spriters, meaning they’ll both agree to rate it highly

If anybody wants to contend with Slurpuff, they need a Mon that can do both and sway both kinds of players

[clear lichen]

(And I think it could make cool fusions)

[grave jolt]

Went from /s to /srs

[trail hull]

maybe

[clear lichen]

So what you're saying is that it isn't 100% Kommo-Over yet

[grave jolt]

komover

[clear lichen]

Kommo-Over is more funny than Kommover

Imo

[stuck bane]

A mod here thought scraggy and scrafty were ground types

If you wouldn’t trust them to operate a car correctly, why trust them to look at any other aspect of the game besides their impulse of “I like Luvdisc”, which was a big problem last vote

[clear lichen]

Someone should make Scrafty's alt sprite Great Tusk now

[grave jolt]

wrong one

[clear lichen]

Or uhhh

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pokemon-gif-19673550

[clear lichen]

Krookodile already exists we can't use that one as a joke

At least I think it's already in

[trail hull]

last vote had a spriter poll so we managed to get the best of both world

[clear lichen]

I could just be misremembering

[trail hull]

but like here we only have one

[stuck bane]

@clear lichen yes I said that up here, unless opinions have wildly changed (average voters love their dragon and ghost types) kommo will win since it made the vote last time but was vetoed

[clear lichen]

Hold up I need to check now

[prime dust]

Krook is in

[clear lichen]

OK yeah it's in

[grave jolt]

will prob be vetoed again, as it'd still be dragon 11/16

[clear lichen]

I distrust myself enough to have to double check

[stuck bane]

Wait how many dragons do we have now? I only know how many we have left

Missing dragon types:
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Guzzlord
Naganadel

[clear lichen]

21 including Legendaries, 11 without them

If I counted correctly

[trail hull]

wow that's a lot of dragon type legendaries

[clear lichen]

Dragon is among the most common types for Legendaries

[stuck bane]

So yeah we’re at 21/29 dragons now including legends

[clear lichen]

It's between that and Psychic

[trail hull]

ice is probably the least

[clear lichen]

The difference between Dragon and Psychic is that Dragon is actually good

[terse fable]

I don't think there's a danger of luvdisc coming anytime soon lol, but still I don't think someone needs to look into the mons moves and bst and know everything about them to make an informed decision on if they like the mon and want them in the game

[clear lichen]

Least legendaries or least Pokemon?

I'd say least legendaries is probably Bug

[trail hull]

oh bug has the least legendaries wow

[clear lichen]

They have 0 if you don't include Mythicals or UBs

[trail hull]

oh yeah only genesect

[clear lichen]

If you do, they have Genesect, Pheromosa and Buzzwole

I would include Mythicals but not UBs

So only Genesect

[hot hamlet]

Is Genesect a mythical? Idk where he falls on the category as he’s technically a fossilmon

[clear lichen]

Yup

Genesect is indeed a mythical

[hot hamlet]

Weird since he is an artificial mythical

[grave jolt]

Least pokemon is a tie between Fairy and Fighting iirc but I could be wrong

[clear lichen]

Mythicals tend to have their first obtainable appearance as an event

[hot hamlet]

Mythicals are usually mons with stories that are y’know, MYTHS

[trail hull]

he's mythical only because of the distribution/event

[stuck bane]

I agree, and I’m not enforcing that on everyone to do the research I do, I doubt anybody really knows simisear brings acrobatics on a fire type body, and doubt it would really sway them

But come on man! At least know the basics! If you want more dark and fighting types, assuming scraggy line is pure ground would mean you gave it a 0. You know there’s voters that did this who know far less about Pokémon than the people in this server

[prime dust]

https://www.serebii.net/pokemon/legendary.shtml

^use that as a reference

[clear lichen]

Even if the mythical becomes obtainable outside of the event, for example Deoxys, they're still mythicals

[clear lichen]

These mythicals would be, at the top of my head, Deoxys, the Gen 4 mythicals and Meloetta

[hot hamlet]

I find it dumb as he doesn’t fit the patterns of literally any other mythical. He has more in common with the Galar fossils imo

[clear lichen]

The Gen 4 mythicals being Manaphy, Phione, Shaymin, Darkrai and Arceus

Unless I'm forgetting someone

[trail hull]

it's gamefreak's decision not ours

[clear lichen]

Despite being seen and presented as a duo, Darkrai is mythical while Cresselia is a legendary

[hot hamlet]

Arceus being a legend, I can see the others as mythical though.
It’s just a very dumb name for your category

[terse fable]

That's fair, I mean if being misinformed is making people give mons lower scores then they'd usually give, that does blow

[trail hull]

also you forgot that zarude adn zeraora have no stories

[clear lichen]

Furthermore, Cresselia got its BST decreased in Gen 9

While Darkrai did not

[twin phoenix]

[hot hamlet]

Zarude is mythical as it’s basically Bigfoot. Having stories of encounter but no solid evidence of its existence

[trail hull]

what did cresselia do to deserve that?

[clear lichen]

The Cresselia BST nerf was so out of pocket

[analog stag]

Do we know what the ??? Is that’s on the schedule for today?

[silent acorn]

Courage mostly bring us bullet points each mon brings

[grave jolt]

I counted 23 fairy types in Daena

[silent acorn]

For instance I was pro Meloetta much like the others and lo and behold

[clear lichen]

12 fairies are fully evolved/single stage

[stuck bane]

Where are you seeing this, I’m not seeing anything today in announcements or event announcements

[clear lichen]

(Single stages are by default fully evolved, after all)

[silent acorn]

My problem is that most of the furries are from the retyping of Gen 1,2,3

[stuck bane]

Today is the 15th

[clear lichen]

(Whether their stats match that title is a different thing entirely)

[analog stag]

It says ??? On the schedule for today

[trail hull]

which one?

[stuck bane]

WHERE?

[trail hull]

can you show us the screenshot

[clear lichen]

(cough cough Mawile)

[analog stag]

The one linked in announcements

[stuck bane]

The Google doc?

[trail hull]

if it's ??? then it's a surprise

[stuck bane]

Huh

[analog stag]

Ok but the day is almost over in some places

Where is the surprise

[clear lichen]

It's literally 5:24 AM for me

[stuck bane]

Maybe it’s that favorite fan of a region contest I talked about earlier and I automatically win

[clear lichen]

It is over in some places

[stuck bane]

But tbh it’s probably a bonus reveal

[trail hull]

For me the events are always at midnight

[clear lichen]

I'm not sure what the furthest timezone from me are

But it's certainly almost over

[stuck bane]

It’s about 5:30 for me

[clear lichen]

Eyyy same timezone

[terse fable]

bonus announcement, the mon mentioned most in #pif-hoenn-discussion is vetoed from the poll!

[grave jolt]

24 fighting types,
including 1 mythical, 3 monostage, and 11 fully evolved.

[clear lichen]

Unless you mean PM

In that case opposite timezones

Timezones have very big differences

[terse fable]

[clear lichen]

Who would that even be

[trail hull]

Quick let’s recite every Pokémon

[analog stag]

It’s just weird cause usually they do the event announcements by this time already

[grave jolt]

ooh pokemon rap

[analog stag]

Todays is extra late

[terse fable]

probably slurpuff or spheal

[clear lichen]

Idk, I've seen a lot of stuff about Lilligant

[stuck bane]

Some puzzles from the last vote (basically smash reveals but in announcements) were super late, I think the altaria announcement started at like 7 or 9 for me

Pm

[terse fable]

girlboss could be it too yea loll

[silent acorn]

Nah I know what it is

[feral bear]

STOP

[stuck bane]

I swear if this pic I took from the April fools game frog made actually works

[silent acorn]

Muahahahahaha

[feral bear]

Entire team girlboss disqualified for tax fraud

[silent acorn]

Fun fact...

[stuck bane]

Thank you for saving Lilli

[clear lichen]

Lilligant also has 1000+

[grave jolt]

Only 1012, lilligant has >1600

[stuck bane]

And a bunch of other S tier unova mons

[feral bear]

Oh no that hoe is going down with the ship

[silent acorn]

... you wish it was this

[analog stag]

Monkeys are rarely ever mentioned by name!

[feral bear]

Kms lol

[clear lichen]

Kommo-GOAT

[analog stag]

Monkey bros we’re gonna win

[grave jolt]

Team monkies let's go

[clear lichen]

Rare EleMonkeys W

(They kinda need it)

[silent acorn]

what number dis?

[stuck bane]

Celebrate good times COME ON!!!

Elemental monkeys: would make a hilarious prank if your system date says April 1st your starters are always these guys no matter what settings you’re playing on, other than that they’re kinda underrated, simipour has been a surprising champion of multiple nuzlockes, all 3 bring good speed, attack, and special attack, simisage is the only grass type to naturally get gluttony, and simipour is the only water type to get gluttony, and they could potentially bring a triple fusion, simisage is also the only pure grass type with access to acrobatics naturally, and the only pure grass type with access to fling naturally, and the only grass type able to learn grass knot naturally, and the only grass type able to learn recycle naturally, and the only pure grass type able to learn scratch, and the only pure grass type able to learn torment naturally, and the only pure grass type with access to fury swipes, and the only pure grass type with access to lick, simisear is also the only pure fire type with access to acrobatics, and the only fire type with access to fling naturally, and the only pure fire type with access to natural gift naturally, and the only fire type with access to play nice, and the only fire type with access to recycle naturally, and the only pure fire type with access to scratch, simipour is also the only water type with access to acrobatics naturally, and the only water type with access to fling naturally, the only pure water type with access to natural gift naturally, and the only water type with access to recycle naturally, and the only pure water type with access to lick, and is also the only Pokémon besides Volcanion able to learn scald naturally

[clear lichen]

(They get so much hate from like the entire fanbase)

[analog stag]

I gave them a 3, getting 6 mons for 1 vote is based

[stuck bane]

Thank you for like 15 seconds of monkey love everyone, even if you were faking it

[silent acorn]

And yet simipour is a Chad in nuzlockes

[grave jolt]

Little did we know: It'll be the pokemon with the least mentions that gets in

[clear lichen]

EleMonkeys are rarely mentioned by name it's probably fine

Everyone's too busy calling them names

[terse fable]

If I saw like, even 3 fire elemonkey fusions, i'd give them a 2

[clear lichen]

Because there's a shitton of hate for them

[analog stag]

Incorrect spelling

Luvdisc

[clear lichen]

Also yeah isn't it spelt Luvdisc?

[silent acorn]

[clear lichen]

It's spelt Alomomola

[stuck bane]

MY UNOVA BABIES HAVE A CHANCE

Alomomola: one of the highest hp stats in the game with access to regenerator, and the only water type with access to healer, and is the only water type that can learn healing wish
(Luvdisc Comparison):
Only water type with access to heart stamp, and luv/disc named fusions

[analog stag]

If they add the elemonkeys we demand a triple fusion!

[grave jolt]

Luvdisc has more than Kammo-o

[silent acorn]

apparently only Dragon

[clear lichen]

Yo I have said Alomomola 296 times apparently

(/j)

[sweet horizon]

:(

[clear lichen]

(I bet it's closer to 150)

(Maybe 100)

(Idk)

[stuck bane]

(Don’t look at how many times I’ve said each unova Mon, I’ve probably cranked that number up so much)

[silent acorn]

Heh...hehehehe

Luvdisc

Luvdisc

[sweet horizon]

Alolamola is cool tho, I voted for it

[clear lichen]

Like half of the recent Lunala mentions are from me 💀

[silent acorn]

I think luvdisc is kinda eh

[grave jolt]

230 emolga

[stuck bane]

STOP! Don’t you know if you speak luvdisc in the Mirror 3 times with the lights off it comes and kills you?

[terse fable]

I wonder who's brought up Mudsdale the most 🐎

[clear lichen]

Also they'll include mentions from the previous time the channel was up

[silent acorn]

Pachi you got 600+

[clear lichen]

So the numbers aren't fully accurate

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/mudsdale-pokemon-alolan-gif-25585382

[clear lichen]

Stamina gaming

[silent acorn]

heh

I dont even think most people remember the other name

[grave jolt]

95 deerling

[clear lichen]

Mudbray?

[terse fable]

Oh yee I was selling someone on mudsdale loll

[grave jolt]

425 Sawsbuck

[clear lichen]

Mudsdale and Mudbray for Infinite Fusion fr

[silent acorn]

yeah

[clear lichen]

Voted a 3 and I do not regret it

[silent acorn]

106 try to lower that

[grave jolt]

Mudsdale/Rapidash = Normal horse

[clear lichen]

I think I could remember most Pokemon's names in less than 5 seconds

Assuming I'm given an image of the Pokemon

The reasoning for this is because I'm fucking addicted lmfao

[stuck bane]

The first evo of the Florges line but spell it correctly GO

[clear lichen]

Flabébé

Or something like that

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-bill-gravityfalls-no-gif-14949051

[grave jolt]

found the winner

[clear lichen]

I usually just type flabebe though

[silent acorn]

Dedenne

[stuck bane]

is it the left or right line above the e? I don’t remember

[grave jolt]

damn

[stuck bane]

Oh hey you got it right congrats

[clear lichen]

I have no life yippee!

[silent acorn]

nyohohohohoho

[grave jolt]

the special e doesn't count

[clear lichen]

I do make spelling errors sometimes

And I sometimes mix up Vanillish and Vanilluxe

[silent acorn]

Ski bidet

[stuck bane]

Ok that’s the third time a removal has happened, are mods watching us?

Say houndrys what’s that weird glowing red dot on your forehead?

[clear lichen]

Whose Flabébé is correct

[stuck bane]

Oh, ok

[grave jolt]

The mods are always watching

[silent acorn]

What dot?

[stuck bane]

Pokémon database says it’s yours

[clear lichen]

OK but seriously I don't think anyone cares about the é in Flabébé

90% of the time you'll type it Flabebe

Thank god for mobile screen keyboard

[stuck bane]

But honestly if flabebe wins it because of that I’d be happy

[clear lichen]

Otherwise I'd have to Google search "e but with the weird dash"

[stuck bane]

Pure fairy type, monstrous sp def

[clear lichen]

Or something

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/isle9-isle8-isleroblox-isle-roblox9-isle9roblox-gif-26491468

[clear lichen]

I probably would've type hanyupinyin or something

[grave jolt]

if Flebebe wins we need the special one from the gen 6 ending as an alt

[clear lichen]

And then look for the e there

[clear lichen]

Eternal Flower Floette has different stats from regular Floette

[stuck bane]

Probably will be, or that one light of ruin move being a fusion move tutor move (is it already?)

[clear lichen]

Aa well as Light of Ruin

So it'd be an entirely different form if it was in the game, I'd imagine

Which is why I doubt they'd add it

Eternal Flower Floette I mean

[grave jolt]

I just want an alt

[stuck bane]

Today’s event pokemon is finally revealed as

Eternal floette

Fuck you we’re not adding any more Pokémon

[clear lichen]

(Floette-E's stats)

Omg pls tell me discord didn't attach the wrong photo

And it's only on my end

[stuck bane]

It seems right

125 sp atk, 128 sp def

[clear lichen]

OK I restarted Discord and yeah

It was sent properly

On my end it sent the Flabébé picture from earlier

[clear lichen]

Hey I was gonna send that

[grave jolt]

Eternal flower would be fun as a late game event pokemon

[clear lichen]

It isn't just Florges' stats either

It's like a more offensively oriented Florges

[stuck bane]

Only problem with eternal flower floette is the dusk Lycanroc problem where it’s too close to regular floette in guess the fusion

Maybe

Idk

[clear lichen]

I'd imagine that, if they gave Eternal Floette a seperate spot, it'd have different fusions that would also be a lot cooler

Because I mean

[grave jolt]

tbh I'd just ban it from guess the fusion

[clear lichen]

Light of Ruin is a pretty cool move

And with the whole ultimate weapon thing I feel like part of that would be incorporated into the designs

Instead of just different colouration

[snow scroll]

I'd love it if it evolved into something besides florges

[clear lichen]

But it's an entire extra sprite set for an event Pokemon never released

So I doubt they'd add Eternal Floette

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/az-floette-pokemon-floette-floette-eternal-blast-burn-gif-10367097044187838965

[stuck bane]

Yeah, because like, why

It’ll prob be a regular floette alt

[rancid nymph]

Another problem with eternal flower Floette is that it was never officially released

So it’s technically not a real Pokémon

[grave jolt]

eternal might not even be in essentials

[feral bear]

I think u have a voicemail 👁👄👁

[stuck bane]

Yeah but that didn’t stop department store cardboard tyrantrum, who was also never officially released

[feral bear]

What even is the cardboard tyrantrum

[stuck bane]

Funny

[feral bear]

Like thats obviously not a pokemon from gens 1 thru 7 so like ???

[rancid nymph]

#1: his name is cool Dino
#2: that’s just for fun and tomfoolery

[stuck bane]

Frog really wanted to manually add it, so he did, but it prob took a lot of work

[feral bear]

Is it like its own pokemon or like a tyrantrum fusion that cant be made or something, i wonder how it was implemented

[clear lichen]

I'd assume the main inspiration for IF was Kyurem

But then Zapmolcuno also exists

And is a major boss

And an existent Pokemon

Just not in the games

[grave jolt]

Eternal Floette would be cool and incredibly funny if it was debug mode exclusive, but you could also just make it an alt and give us Light of Ruin as a fusion move.

[rancid nymph]

Zapmolcuno was probably the inspiration for triples

[stuck bane]

Actually zapmolcuno is an extremely good argument

[silent acorn]

Isn't there like a fused Rayquaza or some nonsense like that?

[clear lichen]

That was an illusion iirc

I'm pretty sure an NPC in the game even mentions it

[stuck bane]

I think in one of the BW manga the trainers literally fuse with their Pokémon or something?

[clear lichen]

Or jokes around with it

I've also seen one joke about the canon Venusaur/Blastoise fusion (I was on a randomiser when I first noticed though so uhh)

And I've seen someone talk about an experiment that will be very very interesting

And was filled with determination

[rancid nymph]

That was also an illusion

[clear lichen]

Whose name is Frisk

[clear lichen]

I think that may have been the same joke than

That the NPC was poking fun at

And not the Mismagius Rayquaza Illusion thing

[grave jolt]

it just looks like recolored rayquaza lmao

[stuck bane]

Oh hey it’s gengar rayquaza

[clear lichen]

Wasn't it Mismagius or am I misremembering

[hot hamlet]

With extra head frills

[stuck bane]

Idk I’m just guessing

[clear lichen]

It's also just an illusion (hey that's Zoroark's thing)

[hot hamlet]

It was Mismag

This was before Zoroark was invented

Though ironically it was in future Hisui lol

[clear lichen]

I think Venusaur/Blastoise was either an illusion or in a dream

[rancid nymph]

And Zoroark didn’t even exist yet

[stuck bane]

OH WAIT I MIGHT REMEMBER THIS EPISODE IT WAS IN DIAMOND PEARL ANIME RIGHT

[hot hamlet]

Psychic projection via ghost

[clear lichen]

Mismagius gets Illusion as a HA, how does this effect the meta?

[hot hamlet]

Old Chateau

[grave jolt]

Canon Venustoise

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-blastoise-venusaur-fusion-venustoise-gif-17959960

[hot hamlet]

That was the femme fatale Gastly episode

Ghost of Maiden’s Peak

[rancid nymph]

Side note, they should make fusion a main mechanic in the mainline games

[hot hamlet]

Also confirmed Mongooses existed in Pokeuniverse

[grave jolt]

Calyrex and Necrozma

[clear lichen]

You have no idea how much Scientist Frisk telling that this experiment will be very, very interesting jumpscared me

[hot hamlet]

As Ekans was scared off by an illusion of one

[hot hamlet]

Kyurem

[stuck bane]

Yeah, but will they? Or will they be seen as stealing ideas from fans again and be even more hated?

[hot hamlet]

Aka where the splicers came from

[clear lichen]

You don't see anyone saying that Infinite Fusion stole fusion from gamefreak

So I'm betting they wouldn't

[stuck bane]

They got a bit of backlash from that with some of their Gen 9 designs iirc

[clear lichen]

Also tf you mean stealing fan designs

[rancid nymph]

I mean more than 3 instances (you forgot Kyrum)

[clear lichen]

What even would that be

[hot hamlet]

Side note: this attitude is why you don’t see much official fan nodding from AAA studios anymore.
Smaller studios can get away with it but once a thing makes enough money suddenly it’s copyright infringement

[clear lichen]

Idk I'm not on many websites

Or social media platforms

[stuck bane]

I’m trying to remember them all, basically a good chunk of Gen 9 mons were fakemon, palafin, scovillain, etc. and people put art comparisons side by side

[hot hamlet]

Discord is a social media platform

[clear lichen]

That's why I said not many

[clear lichen]

Give link so I can see if they're overreacting

I'm gonna be honest considering how this is the first time I've heard of it I'm betting it's a stretch of an argument

The main argument I hear in terms of Pokemon designs is that Dudunsparce isn't a flying serpent/biblically accurate Angel/whatever

Which is stupid because Dudunsparce is meant to be a dud

It's in the name

Dunsparce is already meant to be a dunce and sparce

And a dud

[stuck bane]

I can’t find them from a quick Google search, some were overreacting, but I remember palafin being extremely close

[clear lichen]

It would've been preferable if Dunsparce didn't have an evolution

But Dudunsparce was the perfect way to do it

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah here’s one

[clear lichen]

I can see what they're getting at but the difference is pretty big imo

[prisma willow]

Tbf, I would've liked to see that little snake dude achieve their dreams and become a dragon.

[clear lichen]

The main similarity here is definitely concept

[stuck bane]

I found this and idk if I agree but it’s funny

[hot hamlet]

Everyone says Dunsparse is meant to be lame, but what it’s based on is meant to be a symbol of good luck due to how hard they are to find.
So Dudunsparse is basically super luck

[clear lichen]

Super Luck Dudunsparce frfr

Going to Area Zero makes you extremely lucky

I guess

[stuck bane]

Most people who go there die

Besides the protagonist who I think you’ve power scaled already

[hot hamlet]

They die because they don’t know what to expect and the wildlife is supposedly very dangerous

[clear lichen]

Even ignoring the protagonist just being weirdly strong and tough for a kid

C'mon

It's a protagonist

They're gonna have plot armour

[civic harness]

Hello there

[clear lichen]

Arven got his ass handed to him without us but with the player character's plot armour helping to shield him he turned the tables

[hot hamlet]

Though given you need your sandwich dragon to fly you through the cloud layer, maybe the land is super steep around the crater ledge and you’d fall to your death with no means of getting through safely

[clear lichen]

I feel like I've jumped into Area Zero before

[hot hamlet]

Hence the danger level as Arven was able to call a taxi from it

[clear lichen]

I'm not 100% sure though

Let me try again

[rancid nymph]

Mabosstif is the one who got his ass handed to him

[hot hamlet]

You get black screened out

[clear lichen]

Close enough

[hot hamlet]

Was it implied the other dragon was the thing that mortally wounded Mabosstiff? Or is that a Theory. Would explain his hatred towards it beyond just “symbol of what their parent cared more about than me”

[clear lichen]

I dont think it was

Arven was surprised to see the raidon in the non battle state at the start of the game

And based on the dialogue he didn't know too much about the 2nd, more aggressive one apart from it existing

[rancid nymph]

The dragon ended injuring someone which caused Arven’s parent to take it to area zero without him

[hot hamlet]

Well that could be explained by him only seeing the battle form due to the other never leaving battle form

[clear lichen]

It isn't fully unlikely it's only like 85% unlikely

[hot hamlet]

All I recall is Arven went to A0 with Mabosstiff to find his parent. And they got mortally wounded fighting something but I forget if it’s mentioned what

[clear lichen]

It isn't

Anyone saying whatever hurt Mabosstiff is simply theorising

OK, you can jump into Area Zero without Miraidon/Koraidon

But I'd assume only after you unlock it

[hot hamlet]

Yeah looks like the only info we have is scarlet uses “rampaging” and violet uses “metalic machine” as the descriptors of what hurt it. But given he doesn’t recognize any of the Paradox mons even up to seeing almost all of them at the end, that leaves the Pseudos (Salamence or Tyranitar) or the Legends

[hot hamlet]

As one who tried early. That is correct. It black screen teleports you back if you try early

[clear lichen]

You missed out a few Pokemon

He doesn't see Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant

Those 2 are the strongest non Legendary Paradoxes tied with the Paradox Swords and Beasts, which are also possibilities

I believe he also doesn't encounter Iron Thorns or Sandy Shocks

[hot hamlet]

Sorry, that’s what I meant. I played Scarlet so didn’t know the Violet events

He doesn’t comment of Sandy Shocks when seeing it at the second research base

Assuming it’s the same for the other one

[clear lichen]

Sandy Shocks and Iron Thorns are counterparts

So I guess he did encounter both

[hot hamlet]

Yeah so guessing he didn’t comment on it in Violet

[clear lichen]

Also I like how Iron Moth is unaggressive

I'm just chilling next to an Iron Moth while typing here

It's nice

[hot hamlet]

Slither Wing isn’t either. He just sits there like a happy bug

[clear lichen]

I think base Volcarona might be aggressive?

Which is pretty funny when both past and future aren't

Man I wish I could vote Gen 9 Pokemon

Gen 9's roster is one of my favourites in the series

[hot hamlet]

Volcarona is antisocial. He hangs around but doesn’t like to be bothered

[clear lichen]

Ngl Area Zero is a lot scarier when you're on foot

Being chased by Pokemon and stuff

Like bro why is Iron Hands so fast

[rancid nymph]

Cause you gotta catch those hands

[clear lichen]

Bro's gonna send his hands out to grab me from 10 meters away

[hexed agate]

We love bugs

[clear lichen]

Ngl this thought is a bit terrifying

[rancid nymph]

Iron hands also has a terrible shiny

[clear lichen]

I am NOT catching those Iron Hands bro has like 140 attack

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[clear lichen]

You try then

[rancid nymph]

I’m not home RN and don’t have my switch on me

[clear lichen]

Iron Hands is faster than the player

Holy shit

Yeah no Area Zero on foot is uhh

Terrifying

[hot hamlet]

Not really. Just big, but it given me Xenoblade vibes, not Pokémon for some reason

[clear lichen]

Idk about you but I don't like being chased by a massive robot who also happens to be faster than me

Also yes, Volcarona is aggressive

It doesn't even do its Pokemon cry to warn you

It just instantly starts chasing you down

Volcarona confirmed smartest Pokemon in SV?

[hot hamlet]

Sweet! Always liked Sun Bug. Named mine Sunspot in the only official game Nuzlocke I ever did

RIP Sunspot. Died just before Victory Road in W2

[rancid nymph]

Shame it takes 1 million years to evolve

[clear lichen]

Volcarona is a high evolution level requirement mon done right

Because it's actually fucking insane once it evolves

Instead of just good

It's either my 2nd or 3rd favourite Pokemon depending on if you count Lunala and Latios being tied for 1st

Moth :D

[mild sedge]

haven’t posted this in like 15 years

[fathom ridge]

Im back with more vikavolt propaganda, also i still need to update the powerpoint

[hot hamlet]

I voted Vikavolt a 3 already. Thank you for proving my point

[woven oxide]

But did you vote Golisopod a 3?

[hot hamlet]

🤐

[woven oxide]

Have you considered

https://i.gyazo.com/4db2a9ca1d682e1970d4b17c45fdf741.png

[hot hamlet]

And mean not bad, but… There are other mons I want in more

[next sapphire]

like a frog who's also an assasin ninja

idk would make for some cool fusions

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pokemon-gif-19673516

[earnest mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-kommo-o-kommoo-kommo-o-gif-8121977202858861076

[grave jolt]

pachi:

[bitter comet]

It would be cool if they live streamed the tournaments

[grave jolt]

87% chance to win

[unkempt stone]

I've got my votes on Beheyeem and Elgym just because they're neat

Well I've got my votes on quite a few

[hot hamlet]

Like the movies? Would be cool but I feel like you’d need both parties’ consent to streaming

[unkempt stone]

Claydol, Beeheeyem, Golisopod, so on and so forth

Really there's a lot of good choices

[strange ether]

what was the ??? event that was supposed to happen?

[hot hamlet]

Think that meant today was a rain check day in the event other stuff got delayed

[grave jolt]

iirc, Showdown has a system for game replays.

[stuck bane]

Beheeyem: great special attack and good special defense, only pure psychic type (head and body) that naturally learns telepathy, also the only pure psychic type that gets analytic, can also bring unique looking alien fusions

Idk about the event today, technically 4 hours left for me at least

[grave jolt]

YTers use the system to capture footage of old battles

[silent acorn]

4 hours until we get another tourney challenger

[unkempt stone]

I wasn't at all thinking about anything other than the alien vibe fusions but these are all good points yes

If I was at all confident in my abilities I'd put ymself out into the competitions for the special votes but I know I can't

That and I'm gonna be going on a cruise for 8 days and we're leaving tomorrow so we can get on the next day so

For Brother's birthday

[stuck bane]

Same, I already got my dream pick of meloetta so I’m not allowed to have beef in what gets in next

[hot hamlet]

They seem to announce around 6pm est which was 2 hours ago. Don’t think one is on today

[grave jolt]

I've got hand issues, so I can't sprite.

[unkempt stone]

I vouched Vanilluxe but then Palossand got in, my favorite pokemon of all time, so it was a big win

I remember the uh

Sprite I made for it

[hot hamlet]

Ice cream mentioned

[stuck bane]

But I’m unova man, I fight for all unova rejects and find reasons for them all no matter what, if you need a unova Mon I got you

Vanilluxe: ice cream fusions, good attack, special attack, and special defense, only pure ice type that gets snow warning (head and body fusions), and the only ice type to get weak armor, also the only pure ice type with access to astonish, and the only pure ice type with access to icicle spear, and the only pure ice type with access to uproar, and is also the only ice type with access to weather ball naturally

Ok movie night bye

[unkempt stone]

I understand Vanilluxe's line is very much so just not that flexible given all three of its line are the same vibe

[hot hamlet]

Look if the trash bag can get in the ice cream cone has a fair shot. Both were pretty trashed on debut and then got their lovers

[unkempt stone]

True

Really like

I just have Unova bias

First generation I played and all that

[hot hamlet]

Besides we had less to work with when Mimikyu got in and we still have a lot of variety there

[unkempt stone]

Really I think my top three are uh Claydol, Beheeyem, Golisopod

Because I think all three are just really really good picks

I'd need to take another look at the poll for who else I'd vouch for but those are the first three that come to mind

Oh yea

Musharna line given there's an overworld one in the game but you can't catch one of your own

[silent acorn]

Nooooo don't bring up beeheeyem you'll ruin it's chance of winning by being barely mentioned

[unkempt stone]

Always found that odd

[hot hamlet]

I can’t list my top three but two of them are food related. Vanilite and Slurpuff. Rest are more “I’d like them in but not what I want (well except Salazzle because I want to see the artists cry )

[unkempt stone]

Good picks good picks

Would still be happy if Vanilluxe gets in because then I can actually finish up that Vanilluxe/Spiritomb fusion I made to vouch for them

I think I still have it somewhere

[hot hamlet]

I was convinced of cake puppy’s aesthetic usefulness by people sharing in development sprites.
Not many others have done that, they just share propaganda pics. I want to see how creative people can get, not just hear empty words!

[unkempt stone]

Here it is

[hot hamlet]

My ice cream!

[unkempt stone]

It could definitely be more polished but I made this all the way back when the first vote happened

[terse fable]

Not many others are spriters in here lol, so those would be the only people actually convincing you

[hot hamlet]

Gives me the same vibe as that one tourist guy in Lilo and Stitch the series who drops his ice cream every episode

[unkempt stone]

I remember like

[hot hamlet]

Didn’t stop Luxio from just saying “pick this thing”

[unkempt stone]

Seeing a Bisharp Golisopod fusion a while back

Which made me want Golisopod for other cool fusions like it

[analog stag]

So I guess the mystery announcement on the schedule was nothing?

[unkempt stone]

Oh Yeaa

Inkay and Malamar

I think those two have good potential as well

[terse fable]

For what? I don't know the context for that, most spriters back up what they want with sprites, everyone else they expect you to use your imagination with descriptions

[hot hamlet]

There was a ton of artists in yesterday and nobody shared sprites or even how things could work. One just said “Mudsdale for new horse”

I asked what it would bring to the table

[unkempt stone]

I'm realizing how many psychic types I have with a 3

[terse fable]

Ah yea a spriter couldve shown a mudsdale fusion there, you right on that

[hot hamlet]

Their only response was “it’s not Rapidash”

[terse fable]

I just gave my best idea of how it would be

[unkempt stone]

Beheeyem, Bronzong, Claydol and Malamar

[hot hamlet]

Like I said I’m willing to change my vote but I’ll need some convincing on how the Fusions will turn out, I care not for the meta

[unkempt stone]

I have four psychic types with a 3 vote

[hot hamlet]

I’m hoping for Elgyem myself

[unkempt stone]

[hot hamlet]

Because I can see potential with it

[unkempt stone]

Seeing the fact that Bronzong was in the vote made me feel whiplash because it feels like something that was always included, in my brain, but it never was to begin with

[hot hamlet]

Think they call that psychic damage in DND terms

[unkempt stone]

Yea

[terse fable]

that's fair, figure some spriters will touch on it at some point, think they have other proirities right now, most of them want more off the wall picks then the general player

[grave jolt]

god I hate them

[hot hamlet]

Most of them seem to only care about showdown based on the past few days of discussion

[unkempt stone]

Just wait until you hear about Muk

[terse fable]

That wasn't all spriters tho loll, that was mainly a convo spearheaded by non spriters

[hot hamlet]

Either way it was white noise to me😄

[grave jolt]

I wanted to say something, but its name is in fact what it is.

[hot hamlet]

Muck?

[unkempt stone]

Whenever people say they hate Gen 5 designs, I always look back to how Gen 5 was supposed to be kind of a soft reboot given how many designs parallel gen 1 designs

[grave jolt]

Inherited the worst parts of gen 1 design unfortunately

[terse fable]

I don't care much for a lot of the comp talk either honestly, in a game about fusions and different sprites regarding them, that should always be the first thing people think about imo

otherwise those same people should just use autogens

[unkempt stone]

I'm probably a minority because like

[hot hamlet]

Literally 2/3 of it was reimagining of prior gen mons except they evolved on a different region. It’s what people accepted with convergent evo forms ironically

[unkempt stone]

I love objectmon

They're just fun

[hot hamlet]

Objectmon is the next Digimon protag’s partner

Evolves to Objectdramon

[unkempt stone]

I'm gonna go eat tacos now

[hot hamlet]

Eat those tacos!

[grave jolt]

Gen 5 gave us great things, such as Bird5: this time it's worse

[hot hamlet]

Gen 5 also gave us Joltik the beloved, Mienfoo, and Lasagna Crab

[grave jolt]

Blissy2

maybe Chansey3

[hot hamlet]

Exp bag

Heart bat

Funky Tauros

And dead child#5!

[grave jolt]

Mind you, I like a lot of gen 5 pokemon! I just specifically hate Ice Cream Cone 1-3 and Garbage Bag 1/2

[hot hamlet]

That feels disproportionate

[grave jolt]

Is Yamask just Not!Unown

[hot hamlet]

Yamask is dead child #5

It’s mask is it’s former face. It looks at it and cries. These are actual Dex entries

[grave jolt]

Anti-Gardevoir

[hot hamlet]

Gothevoir

[civic harness]

Epic

[grave jolt]

I just realized half the pokemon I put on my list of pokemon I want are Gen 5 lmfao

[hot hamlet]

How many are left from gen 4?
There was so few original mons from that gen and the new evo mons were already added

[grave jolt]

We all know who should really get in /j

[hot hamlet]

We all know the jokes but I’d be interested in what people could do outside the low hanging mushroom

Maybe something with the pokeball design a la Voltorb heads

[grave jolt]

I wanna see what bodies people have for it before I vote it.

[hot hamlet]

Same. Like I said: curious, but I’d need proof it can be done first

[grave jolt]

Here's my list of "Pokemon I'd love to see, as a joke or otherwise"

[hexed agate]

I'd love to give the body pokeball designs based on the head fusion

Like using maybe the net ball design for a bug type, or a Dive Ball for a water type

[hot hamlet]

I’d imagine Aegislash would be fairly easy. Just put shield over the ball designs

[hexed agate]

the palette needs to lend itself a little in order for it to be good-looking, but still

[hexed agate]

Mewtwo could have a Master Ball

[grave jolt]

Mew could also probably fit with a masterball

[hot hamlet]

[hidden relic]

Crustle is awesome

That whole line has tons of potential both head and body imo

[hexed agate]

Palossand designs but they don't get alted

[hot hamlet]

Lasagna Crab

I’d like to see the self fusion. Maybe a super detailed look at the layers, like a hidden fossil or something

[hexed agate]

I'd love to see a self fusion that's a tiny crab under a mountain

[hot hamlet]

Same energy

[grave jolt]

Would make more sense as a Crustle/Firemonkey or Crustle/Monkey fusion

[hot hamlet]

Could also work, just replace monkey king with Dwebble

[grave jolt]

true, and a funny image

[hot hamlet]

Ye

[grave jolt]

Quick depiction of what that might look like

[stuck bane]

Lasagna crab: adds more bug types, gives access to rock wrecker for bug type fusions (normally only rhyperior has), and it’s different enough from pallosand and torterra since it’s fusions would be its shell home, also the only bug type that gets weak armor, and has great defense and good attack, also the only rock type body that can learn fury cutter, and the only bug type with access to feint attack naturally

[grave jolt]

wait that's adorable

[hot hamlet]

Unless Hippoudon doesn’t like it. Do we have a confirmation?

[unkempt stone]

True!

[grave jolt]

Crustle dex entries

[unkempt stone]

I remember catching a Shiny Crustle in Ultra Sun and Moon

[grave jolt]

Rhydon has a carapace

[unkempt stone]

I named him Mr. Krabs

[grave jolt]

Hippowdon dex

[grave jolt]

According to sword, it's a symbiotic relationship!

Like the irl birds that eat pests off irl hippos

[small tiger]

Vote Tsareena

[grave jolt]

no

[shrewd ginkgo]

If you can't make an among us joke from a fusion with this thing I am gonna throw hands

[hot hamlet]

Well DUH but what else can be done I wonder

I said aside from the low hanging fruit

[unkempt stone]

To be honest thinking about it

[shrewd ginkgo]

Which also pick the flesh off the backs of the ox

[shrewd ginkgo]

OH that's what you meant LOL

[unkempt stone]

I can’t imagine much in terms of what Amoongus fusions would actually look like for potential

Out of the two mushrooms

I think Shiinotic is more interesting

[grave jolt]

Aegislash could be a set of crystal swords stuck in the ground with a forcefield around them 😌

[clear lichen]

Wait its open mouth is 7 feet wide?

That's literally how long Hippowdon is

Does this imply that Hippowdon's height is measured from bottom of open mouth to top of open mouth

Or that Hippowdon can open its mouth as wide as it is long

Wait is that even in those dex entries or is that what Bulbapedia says

Actually looking at the official art, even if the dex entries don't say that, it's probably correct

[stuck bane]

This does bring hippowdon’s score up as long as Crustle is added, 3

[clear lichen]

Hippowdon's score is already a 3 for me iirc

This hippo opens its mouth about as wide as its body to crush cars (and people who piss it off, which according to the Pokedex is very easy to do)

[stuck bane]

I mean, Bertha made it cool, but it’s a 3 now

[clear lichen]

It can also just canonically start sandstorms

So it having Sand Stream makes sense in canon as well

[stuck bane]

Meanwhile flygon…

[clear lichen]

Neither Tyranitar nor Gigalith have dex entries talking about starting sandstorms

They do both have dex entries talking about destroying mountains though

And funnily enough Gigalith can only do so "when the sun is out"

I feel like Sand Stream would kinda get in the way of that

[feral bear]

wasnt there like

a thing for today

like a mystery thing??

[humble lance]

minior, delcatty, and amoonguss would all be perfect for next years pride month rush

[analog stag]

Crusty le

https://tenor.com/view/crustle-pokemon-rock-slide-crustle-uses-rock-slide-gif-2430342196325273200

[stuck bane]

Minior maybe with rainbow
Why Delcatty?
I’d like Amoongus, But again why?

And the real answer here is heatran bodies for pride month

[small tiger]

Gourgeist would be funny for a september-november rush

[small tiger]

amoongus is good because sus

[stuck bane]

Oh nm that’s a good reason

Amoonsus for pride month

[humble lance]

delcatty has intersex colors
amoongus has become the trans symbol because of a recent tournament
lemme find the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAGh2aVcqs

[small tiger]

imposter

sussy

[grave jolt]

[stuck bane]

I won’t have time to watch now, but that’s perfect

And here I was thinking only heatran bodies since it’s naming is hea/tran

[humble lance]

LOL

[small tiger]

I guess we cant have slurpuff then because slur/puff

TSAREENA ALL THE WAY

[humble lance]

we already have cofagrigus

its fine

i wonder if there will be a halloween rush this year

i want another rush

[small tiger]

oh

yeah

wuth gourgeist it would be perfect

[feral bear]

Ugh

[stuck bane]

Unfortunately frog is one step ahead of you, it’s slurp/uff

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-gif-19469635

[humble lance]

slurp lol

[stuck bane]

Slurp jr

[feral bear]

Slurpeye

[humble lance]

slurp jr

[stuck bane]

Slurptran

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/based-based-department-communist-communism-amon-gif-24927161

https://tenor.com/view/gus-augustus-porter-the-owl-house-owl-house-thumbs-up-gif-25161381

[humble lance]

wait wait
what pokemon ends with -ee

we need slurpee

[grave jolt]

slurpvee

[stuck bane]

Abra can make slurpra