pif-hoenn-discussion

[hidden relic]

It's a cosmetic thing

[stuck bane]

It’s just design, not mechanical, I could see either

[inland jewel]

Gastrodon is a cosmetic thing, so no different dexs

[simple gulch]

what about jellicent

[stuck bane]

But something like spinda would def be artists choice

[hidden relic]

Where East & West have no difference mechanically. Would probably be 1?

[inland jewel]

if you want pinkdon then you sprite pinkdon

if you want gastblue then you sprite gastblue

[simple gulch]

or meowstic, they have different skill set

[inland jewel]

its gonna be super weird for those who make pink shellos fusion and then turn it into a blue gastrodon fusion

[viscid fossil]

Actually, how would they implement that

[mild sedge]

double gastrodon is just gonna be bigger and purple

[rough hound]

So much opportunity in nudibranch boyos, all the colors

[stuck bane]

Final ghost type from Gen 5 mentioned: 100%’s all the ghost types from unova, and is a team rocket Mon, only ghost type with access to water absorb, and only water type with access to cursed body, also is the only ghost type with access to damp (prevent scrappy explosions, prevent damage from aftermath, etc.), with good hp and special defense, the only ghost type body that learns absorb, and the only fully evolved water type head that learns absorb, and the only ghost type body with access to bubble, and the only water type head with access to night shade, and is the only ghost type with access to water sport, and is the only ghost type with access to water spout, and is also the only ghost type with access to wring out (excluding Dawn wings necrozma which might never be in this game), and the only ghost type to learn brine, and the only ghost type with access to bubble beam. Also brings us Mr. Cent

[viscid fossil]

gender evolutions don't exist
so how do you do meowistic

[simple gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1171030727945617408/1179635011733950504/m3chAH.gif?ex=657a7fb7&is=65680ab7&hm=79a16dfd1247913cedcd3f1738b4c9a7c242e8bcd19bdd8d34f9743aa998ec62&

frog when he see hard coding pokemon

[rough hound]

Ive got this

[simple gulch]

you could make it in to gender evolution,

[viscid fossil]

rip anyone who fuses it with a genderless mon

that has a pre-evo move so you can't just unfuse it

[stuck bane]

Don’t genderless fusions take the gender of the other if possible?

[simple gulch]

:v how does gender work when fusin? @hidden relic

[viscid fossil]

which is a niche scenario but still something that could happen

[silent acorn]

So basically they submit candidates, after that comes the real voting and they can't vote for their own mon but others, forcing them to make their choice with more thought... Hopefully, but in general removes their own choice bias by forcing them choose each other

[hidden relic]

elaborate wym

[viscid fossil]

Gender of the body for fusions you make

[hidden relic]

oh

I have no clue honestly

[prime dust]

gender doesn't really matter in PIF

[simple gulch]

like male head, female body, what gender is the fusion

[viscid fossil]

genderless for wild/opposing trainer fusions

[prime dust]

also this is not the place for that kind of question

#gameplay-help

[silent acorn]

Meowstic selling point lol

[hidden relic]

Haven't played the game

;)

[inland jewel]

i mean for meowstic it matters, since you get a different form/stats/learnset if its Male or Female

[simple gulch]

rivalry, attact, captivate

[hidden relic]

Mhm, that is a Mechanical one

So Meowstic M & F would be split

[prime dust]

as i said, doesn't really matter

[inland jewel]

but for Gallade, Vespiquen, and Salazzle its just gonna be all can evolve into them

[viscid fossil]

All fusions you fight in trainer battles are genderless

[silent acorn]

That's true, since it's not like vespiquen and Salazzle where only the female evolves

[simple gulch]

evo gendet lock pokemon

[hidden relic]

hopefully

[prime dust]

dont exist

[inland jewel]

i mean they have precident with Gallade

where a female kirla can become gallade if given a dawn stone

[silent acorn]

Vespiquen Salazzle that's what they mean

[simple gulch]

its true i never played the game😔

[stuck bane]

Even if they couldn’t for whatever reason, gender stones are available in game

[prime dust]

given how other gender stuff has happened with PIF, they will be changed

[inland jewel]

so frogman is just gonna do that with Vespiquen and Salazzle here they evolve at the level a female would normally evolve

[viscid fossil]

I thought we were talking about meowstic

[silent acorn]

I mean... I dunno that depends on the dev

[prime dust]

Dev

[inland jewel]

so male Vespiquen and Male Sazzle

[simple gulch]

so is male chansey a reality?

[prime dust]

single dev

[viscid fossil]

and burmy
burmy would also kinda break the current gender evolution system

[hidden relic]

Oooh Burmyyyyy

[silent acorn]

Actually yeah that's the biggest most obvious exception

[inland jewel]

i'd laugh if they went the silcoon/cascoon route

[hidden relic]

Was waiting for this one to bring this up

[inland jewel]

where its a 50/50 on which it is

[hidden relic]

The Cloaks for Burmy

[prime dust]

i don't mean stuff that works like that

[stuck bane]

I think if you do shenanigans where you fuse it with a male, reverse it, and defuse it it should be made

[hidden relic]

Would not be deemed as Cosmetic most likely

[simple gulch]

:v now thinking about it, only 2 hard coding mon in the game was melo and nerc

[stuck bane]

Yes we were assuming it takes 7 dex slots since typing changes and determines evolutions

[hidden relic]

Because of how Burmy's cloak determines which Wormadam it evolves into

[inland jewel]

well yeah, the cloaks actualy have different typings

[simple gulch]

all other problematic mon are non existent

[viscid fossil]

We could probably get away with 1 burmy and 3 wormadams
depending on where it evolves

[hidden relic]

Well for Burmy, all 3 are bug

[hidden relic]

I could see this being the path Frog might go

[sullen elbow]

Cant they make It location based evo

[hidden relic]

But also probably not

For better fusion clarity

[prime dust]

nothing like that exists yet

[simple gulch]

will wormadam take 3 slot?

[stuck bane]

Could be

[prime dust]

yes

they each have different typing thanks to the cloak

[simple gulch]

so burmy = 7 slot?

[prime dust]

no

[hidden relic]

Probably, each Wormadam has a different typing

[stuck bane]

It will take at least 5, 1 burmy 3 wormadam 1 mothim

[rough hound]

✨

[prime dust]

burmy itself is only 1 mon

[hidden relic]

Yes and no

[prime dust]

the cloak on burmy only affects the evo

[simple gulch]

burmy still have diffrent typing

[prime dust]

no it isn't

[inland jewel]

Burmy is pure bug

[simple gulch]

:v oh

[hidden relic]

Nope, all 3 Burmy are Pure Bug

[prime dust]

regardless of cloak it is the same type

[inland jewel]

no addional types

[molten latch]

How are you sure about the game's space, it may have a chance that crashing is relevant.

[simple gulch]

gusss i forgor

[hidden relic]

what now

[inland jewel]

the pokemon space issue has been resolved for a year now

[simple gulch]

add pant

[inland jewel]

we can get the rest of the mons from gens 3-7

[hidden relic]

mhm

[inland jewel]

Frogman just has no time to add them

[molten latch]

Are you sure?

[hidden relic]

It's just a slow trickle

[inland jewel]

this vote is Frogman showing he has time

[stuck bane]

It’s the same type but cloak burmy currently has determines its evolution, like if it is trash or plant cloak, it determines if it evolves into grass or steel type

[hidden relic]

Yes.

Pretty sure.

[molten latch]

Ok I trusted you

[inland jewel]

yes, him doing that whole 40-50 pokemon event last year was showing he had made room

[simple gulch]

make evo stone just for it lol

[inland jewel]

mainly due to someone showing him a proof of concept on a new fusion system but still

[prime dust]

Frog already said we could theoretically add like another 100+ generations of mons before we hit the pre 6.0 issue again

[molten latch]

Ok

[simple gulch]

like soft sand, miracle seed, metal coat

[inland jewel]

yeah, the number of fusions we had in V5. thats how many new pokemon we can add

[stuck bane]

Coding 3 stones just for burmy would be a hassle, especially since one of them would be a leaf stone and possibly confusing to players

[prime dust]

the only reason is was an issue in the past was because fusion data was hard coded

i.e., the game took up more space

[simple gulch]

no need stone, u can use any item as evo stone, u just need to add a line that it need that item to evo

[sullen elbow]

Then just make It the leaf Stone?

[inland jewel]

so we went from pokemon taking up 21K slots or something to only 450

[molten latch]

Fine, Then I'll put Cherrim and Minior to 2. Still Wishiwashi is 0 because of the douchebag who called Spheal bad.

[prime dust]

how dare they

[inland jewel]

so we can add up to 20550 more pokemon before this game starts crashing again

[simple gulch]

who said spheal was bad

[prime dust]

look at him

[inland jewel]

Goomy/Voltorb fusion

[simple gulch]

roturnd

[stuck bane]

That will be up to frog, until then, we’re not assuming frog will change anything until he says so, so it’s 7 slots

[molten latch]

Let me find that douche

[prime dust]

spheal is a round friend ball

[simple gulch]

we would need more tanky ice type tbh

[inland jewel]

we already have to many water types

[deft obsidian]

@glass patio why I haven't seen you with minior propaganda

[simple gulch]

7.8 too much water

[inland jewel]

literally we have like 39 species of water type in the game

[molten latch]

This guy who vote for Wishwashi did it.

This Douchebag Blue

[simple gulch]

we need to have 70% of water type

[simple gulch]

damm

[molten latch]

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.

[stuck bane]

Ah yes, because the opinions of “RumpScuttle” are the divine messages of god

[simple gulch]

lets vote for pant

[hexed agate]

Avalugg fans rise up

[molten latch]

More like Thanatos' pretending to be god like that one scene from Wizard of Oz

[hexed agate]

I want more coffeetable in the game

[simple gulch]

you cant raise a table

[sullen elbow]

Yes you can

[simple gulch]

prove it

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/strong-guy-russia-funny-weightlift-gif-15027352

[simple gulch]

ok you got me

[molten latch]

Thats why I dont want him to laugh at my face if Wishiwashi won the vote.

[simple gulch]

it wont win tbh

[stuck bane]

Wishiwashi won a vote? Where?

[inland jewel]

wishiwashi is neat, but i dont see it winning a vote

nightmare to impliment, nightmare to sprite

[molten latch]

This

[inland jewel]

and the base form is used in the fusion, so its gonna have the worst stats in the game

[simple gulch]

now the closest i think would be 1: slurpuff, 2: gogat 3:torkoal

[inland jewel]

Unless you choose his ability

[simple gulch]

:v adding Diance just for Ribbon

[stuck bane]

This is true, frog has vetoed stuff in the past and if he doesn’t like wishiwashi he’ll do it again

[molten latch]

I miss Ribbon.

[simple gulch]

she is still here

[molten latch]

I know

[stuck bane]

Ye I saw her yesterday

[inland jewel]

because if you don't use schooling its stat total it contributes to fusions is a measly 175.

If you choose schooling then it becaomse 620

[molten latch]

But she cant see my messages

[stuck bane]

What you do?

[simple gulch]

the time frog add diance in , ribbon would finished all 500 of the sprite

[sullen elbow]

How is It a nightmare to implement we have a form changing Pokemon in the Game already

[molten latch]

I didnt do wrong but its a long story short.

If you want DM me

[simple gulch]

they change base on move

[stuck bane]

Gen 7 has weird code stuff, like minor hacked starts in core form

[inland jewel]

those pokemon change based on moves, this is the first we get to change based on HP

[simple gulch]

there was no mon who changed form/ stat based on abilities only yet

[molten latch]

Diance is cute because I've watch the pokemon movie

(The true reason is to watch the battle of Ash vs Ace Trainer Astrid)

[deft obsidian]

Aegislash

[inland jewel]

has to use an attacking move

[simple gulch]

still move

[clear lichen]

Minior always starts in Core form iirc, it's just that the ability automatically sets it back to Meteor form as soon as the battle starts

[stuck bane]

Or, ability triggered by move

[clear lichen]

Effectively it starts as Meteor form

But technically it starts as Core form

[simple gulch]

maybe stance change has no coding, i might just there for king shield to check for

like if “ability isnt stance change” skip “ power tricks “

[clear lichen]

So Minior fusions would use Core form's stats unless you use Shields Down

Which would ironically put your shields up

[sullen elbow]

That would be cool. Fast rock type go brrr

[clear lichen]

Fast Rock with Shell Smash

Wait does it get Shell Smash in Gen 7?

I know it does now

It does

[sullen elbow]

Yup

[clear lichen]

Yippee

[hollow creek]

Minior has supurb head potential but the body fusions are very lacking

[clear lichen]

Its stats kinda suck but hey it's fast and has usable attack with Shell Smash

[simple gulch]

just as lacking as volorb, too simple to make interesting, to hard to make sprite still ( star shaped)

[clear lichen]

Like give it a good defensive type, stats or Shields Down in the fusion

Idk

[hollow creek]

At least for SolRock and lunatone you could make them into little planets

[simple gulch]

add funny space rocks

[sullen elbow]

And minior not?

[hollow creek]

No, unfortunately

[sullen elbow]

Y

[simple gulch]

he smol

lil creatura

[clear lichen]

I mean yeah I'd imagine you could do similar things with body Solrock and Lunatone as body Minior

[molten latch]

Opinions changed

Maractus is now voted 3

[clear lichen]

That said I don't really know what those body fusions look like

[sullen elbow]

Size consistency is for nerds

[hollow creek]

Keep in mind minior is still a 2 for me

[molten latch]

Same

[hollow creek]

There’s just that caviot

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/maractus-dancing-happy-gif-14508931

For some no reason Maractus make it in 3

[velvet root]

Maractus is cool

[molten latch]

I have a tingly feeling

[clear lichen]

Whenever the devs add Lunala I'm gonna get on my knees and beg for them to swap the placement of the Psychic and Ghost types

I mean I'd say it would likely have good body fusions but I feel like the head fusions would be peak

[hollow creek]

Maractus goated

[clear lichen]

Unfortunately, Psychic is complete trash

[hollow creek]

Alakazam singularly holds up the psychic type

In any play through of any Pokémon game

[clear lichen]

? Lol no

All the Psychic types have great stats and movepools

The problem is, Psychic is a drawback for using them

[hollow creek]

Interesting

[clear lichen]

That's why I think it isn't as unpopular as Bug

Bug is about as bad as Psychic

But they make a lot of high stats, great ability, great movepool etc Pokemon for Psychic

For Bug, there's like 5 good Bug types

[molten latch]

You know who else is the worst typing?

Ice type. . .

[deft obsidian]

Obamasnow

[clear lichen]

No, Ice is another victim of Gamefreak balancing

Similar to Bug

Ice is fantastic offensively

But most the Ice types are defensive Pokemon :/

[clear lichen]

Ice is like a C tier, maybe low B tier type

Psychic and Bug would be like D tiers

[molten latch]

Thats Unfezant

[clear lichen]

This only takes into account the types themselves instead of Pokemon obviously

[molten latch]

Pun intended

[clear lichen]

Because they really love making their legendaries Psychic types

[velvet root]

Unfezant?

[clear lichen]

And Calyrex-Shadow has the Ghost type, insane stat distribution and Terastalisation to carry it into being the most broken Pokemon even with Psychic

[molten latch]

Ice and Ghost is the best typing

Especially Froslass

[clear lichen]

Ghost is a top 3/4 typing in terms of viability

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

Top 1 and 2 are easily Fairy and Steel in any order, most would put Fairy first

Top 3 and 4 are Water and Ghost

In either order

[molten latch]

Ghost and Fairy is the strongest because Paradox Misdreavus

[clear lichen]

Top 5 is almost certainly Ground imo

But after the top 4 opinions kinda seperate

[molten latch]

Ok

[clear lichen]

Most agree that the top 4 types are those 4

Obviously there's no official tierlist

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

(Also this is only for Singles, Doubles might be different)

[molten latch]

Whats the best typing combo apart from dark and ghost

[clear lichen]

Not Dark/Ghost

Defensively, most would say something like Steel/Grass, Steel/Bug, Steel/Fairy

[molten latch]

Dark and Ghost the the best typing because it has no weaknesses until Fairy ruins it

[clear lichen]

Offensively, it'd be types like Ghost/Fairy, Normal/Ghost, Fighting/Ghost, Ground/Rock, Ice/Electric etc

But overall I'd give it to Ghost/Fairy

[molten latch]

Nice

Flutter Mane FTW

[grave jolt]

Morning all

[molten latch]

My Gremlin Flutter Mane

[clear lichen]

Flutter Mane is obscenely broken because it grow slightly more hair

Bud thinks they're Samson

(They are)

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/flutter-mane-pokemon-gif-13486701436511058674

Ghost Gremlin Goober

[grave jolt]

The problem with anything with a weakness to fairy is that it's a very competitive type.

[clear lichen]

Personally I hold a grudge against Flutter Mane because it's absurdly broken and can square up with box art legendaries, and people think it's more creative than the Violet Paradoxes which it just isn't

[molten latch]

Ok Leyley thanks

[clear lichen]

People just really hate the Violet Paradoxes for fun it feels

[grave jolt]

Meanwhile fire is not a very good type outside of doubles

[velvet root]

They are a bit on the boring side

[clear lichen]

Scarlet Paradox fans calling Violet Paradoxes uncreative is like someone who owns a pot calling someone else's kettle black

[molten latch]

Yeah, except Miraidon, he just want a sammich

[clear lichen]

I'm not gonna put words in the Scarlet Paradoxes mouths though

For all I know they're best friends with the Violet Paradoxes

[molten latch]

The Reason I pick Violet is Ceruledge to join the edgelord side of things.

[clear lichen]

It's alright

[grave jolt]

I think that all the Paradox Pokemon are just as uninspired as the Ultra Beasts

[clear lichen]

Especially after Heavy-duty boots

The Paradoxes are all (mostly) a bit (a lot) uncreative but they're cool so I like them anyways

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

But the UBs are not uninspired imo

They're kinda peak

[molten latch]

Great Tusk used to be powerful.

[velvet root]

I mean fair
Most are actually fine
We just expected more

[clear lichen]

It still is

It's still like number 2

It's just that Kingambit is insane

[molten latch]

Indeed but never number1

[grave jolt]

The peak of bad design

[clear lichen]

(Or was it number 3?)

[clear lichen]

Nah, Kartana is the GOAT

Not literally

[molten latch]

Naganadel?

[grave jolt]

That's gogoat

[molten latch]

Indeed

[clear lichen]

I love cutting gigantic steel buildings in half in a single stroke with my like 1 centimeter long arms

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-cute-pokemon-gif-26992661

[clear lichen]

My only complaint is that we don't get to explore their home dimensions more

[velvet root]

I love how my meme got send in and pinged by term in here

[clear lichen]

Which is why I'm gonna inhale copium until Pokemon Legends: Necrozma releases

[molten latch]

Funny that this Squirrel and Mamoswine won the tournament in the anime.

Fighting I think Flareon and idk

[clear lichen]

Thick Fat Mamoswine W

[grave jolt]

Wtf even is the anime meta

[molten latch]

Idk

[clear lichen]

Depends on who took the plot armour for the day

[velvet root]

yes

[clear lichen]

If Ash took the plot armour it's Pikachu and whatever other Pokemon Ash is using

[quaint mauve]

Mew said its my turn with the Thunder Armor

[clear lichen]

If some other guy takes it then it's their Pokemon

TLDR: Whoever the animators want to win is the meta

[molten latch]

I'm gonna be really honest, and be Lowtiergod. I HATE TRIP!

[clear lichen]

Porygon takes an L because Pikachu gave people a stroke in its episode

[molten latch]

Curses

[velvet root]

yeah
they should have banned theyr mascot

[clear lichen]

Frfr

OK but like at least don't pin the blame on an innocent mon

[quaint mauve]

Pikachu should never have been the mascot pokemon in the first place.
Its so lackluster as a pokemon they had to invent light sphere.

[clear lichen]

Like bro Porygon-Z would've been so cool to see in the anime

[twin phoenix]

If not Pikachu, the mascot was gunna be Clefairy, iirc

[velvet root]

Its cute and you can sell it

[molten latch]

Yeah but Epilepsy did it and now Porygon is gone.

So sad

Atleast they couldve make it as a white screen

No wait thats just flashbang

[clear lichen]

Pikachu is so bad that it can double its attacking stats to hit as hard as a box art and it still would be terrible

Source: Even with Light Ball it's terrible

[quaint mauve]

speaking of porygon taking the L, it should have been the pokedex, not fucking rotom.

[clear lichen]

It used to be a 1st stage

So it is to be expected

But man

Pikachu is pathetically weak

Slow, frail mixed attacker

Gen 1 was doing it before Gen 3 was

[quaint mauve]

on the sake of topic though, Something Something Gogoat Supremacy Post.

[grave jolt]

You could double it's attack, then give it the light orb, and it'd still be bad.

[stuck bane]

Wait did you make that? I thought Savannah made that unless that’s an alt of yours

[clear lichen]

Can we question how Gamefreak managed to make a massive whale a slow frail mixed attacker

[velvet root]

I wanna sprite but idk what cuz my mind is like "it has to be sick for elusive Dex" even tho idk if I participate

[grave jolt]

Raichu still isn't that good!

[clear lichen]

Yup

[velvet root]

I got scammend and my old acc became a Scam acc

[clear lichen]

That's why I dislike Pichu

The line needed an evolution

A lot more than it needed a baby form

[stuck bane]

Ah I see, so yes I’m pretty sure it was you but message history was confusing me

[molten latch]

I got timed out because of hating Trip from the pokemon anime. Thanks.

[silent acorn]

Dark poison weezing

[clear lichen]

Big whale: Slow frail mixed attacker
Volcano camel-yak: Slow frail mixed attacker

[kind forum]

you got timed out for a particular not very nice word we dont like here, and it was only for 60 seconds

[velvet root]

Nah I actually made it
I found a side that gives me the possibility to make memes in a ez way

[clear lichen]

We love slow frail mixed attackers!

[silent acorn]

Which one in particular?

[clear lichen]

We even made our lightning rat a slow frail mixed attacker!

[grave jolt]

Oh yeah, it's Walrein time!

[kind forum]

not important

[molten latch]

I know, but still. I hate Trip. Fight me whoever defends him.

[silent acorn]

Because the bot has encyclopedic knowledge of bad words

[high haven]

Hell yeah!

[velvet root]

soooo any ideas?

[quaint mauve]

I dont even know what the elusive dex is.

[high haven]

What Mon do you want to use

[stuck bane]

Who was trip? Tracey was the one from orange islands right?

[silent acorn]

Hmmm elusive can you give me a desc on it? Is it like super rare pokemon?

[velvet root]

make a fusion and a dex entry

[velvet root]

idk

[hollow creek]

Fuse gogoat with a legendary

[silent acorn]

Trip was the guy from unova

[unkempt kernel]

Gen 5 rival

[clear lichen]

Iirc, anime only rival in BW

[stuck bane]

Wait was trip the rival from the anime yeah BW rival

[molten latch]

Yes

[silent acorn]

They were obsessed with photography so yes

Trip for tripod

[molten latch]

That goofy ahh narcissist won the tournament

[velvet root]

if and non if
Idk if I do a elusive dex entry
I just dont get ideas cuz my brain is in a "it has to be sick" mode

[stuck bane]

Yeah that guy was hated but that was the point of him

[silent acorn]

Hmmm what about doing The Plague doctor? With aromatisse for Non IF

[velvet root]

Seeing its name kinda hurts ngl...

[clear lichen]

I wonder how well received BW anime would be if Team Plasma, N, Ghetsis etc were major plot points

[velvet root]

Thats a idea

[clear lichen]

Probably terribly like BW was at the time, then suddenly out of nowhere becoming a fan favourite

[molten latch]

Thats why I rather watch X and Y the anime ober than that gree haired ahh molo

[stuck bane]

Wait what? I’m almost positive ash beat him but still ended up losing the whole tournament

[molten latch]

Yes

[silent acorn]

Does the non if have to be two that aren't in if?

[hollow creek]

Aromatisse and a dragon, dragon plague doctor

[velvet root]

one that isnt in the game and one that is

[silent acorn]

Gonna be honest after Diamond I didn't care about the black Anime

[molten latch]

It takes Alola and Galar to win a Trophie

[silent acorn]

Aroma and... What type are you feeling affinity for this day?

[clear lichen]

I'm gonna be honest I don't really like the anime

[grave jolt]

God gen 5 really was meant to be a clean start

[velvet root]

idk my fav type is Poison

[clear lichen]

Like bro Ash stop using terrible move choices

Use your brain omg

[silent acorn]

After Paul I didn't care about gimmicky rivals

[clear lichen]

And then he gets rewarded for terrible decisions

And I just give up

[molten latch]

Ash why u so dum

[velvet root]

To be fair
Ash can damage ground types with electric type moves

[clear lichen]

Yeah, certified plot armour moment

[silent acorn]

Paul was basically the Embodiment of an obsessive pokemon player, like competitive obsession even though technically he sucked on that front

[molten latch]

Aim for the horn

[stuck bane]

He was always stupid, from his gym battle to Brock to his final battle against Leon, he had smart moments, but for the most part no

[clear lichen]

Ash has to bend reality to make up for his stupidity

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-wtf-surprised-pikachu-gif-19719769

[clear lichen]

Smh

Aiming for the horn would arguably only power up anyone in the Rhyhorn line

[grave jolt]

Pikachu beat like a hundred Spearow simultaneously

[clear lichen]

They have Lightning Rod

[silent acorn]

Favorite were like the clever strats like using contest combos, comboing moves was always cool

[clear lichen]

A hundred weak flying types?

Wow!

[silent acorn]

... Atleast one had to endure you know

[grave jolt]

In a single move at presumably level 5

[clear lichen]

Hey, ig Pikachu is weak enough for it to be somewhat impressive

[silent acorn]

LEVEL 5 pikachu

[clear lichen]

Pikachu sucks

[silent acorn]

Oh and then it beats its evolution... YEAH

[clear lichen]

Plot armour moment

[silent acorn]

Without strategy just power of friendship

[molten latch]

Atleast Lets go Pikachu fixed Pikachu

[opaque ether]

Still rooting for the 'yenas

[clear lichen]

Bro got his ass beat round one then channeled his inner anime protagonist and plot armoured Surge to death

[silent acorn]

By giving it even more plot armor

[clear lichen]

Pikachu sucks in Let's Go OU

Yes, that's a tier

I didn't even know it was a tier

[grave jolt]

Surge evolved his the moment it became a Pikachu, and Raichu doesn't have any learned set.

[clear lichen]

I only learnt it existed when trying to find data on the partner Pikachu moves

And Pikachu still sucked

[silent acorn]

Fair... Even though that pikachu somehow saved him during the pokewar

[molten latch]

And thats why Blaziken won the Starter Battle Royale

[clear lichen]

I guess it didn't have the stupid bs that is recent generations Zippy Zap

Because yeah, they buffed it after it got removed permanently from the game

It has the same BP and power as fucking Extreme Speed

Making it always stronger than the perma crit version

And then it also raises Evasion

Misery

[silent acorn]

PLOT

[grave jolt]

What level is surge again? Like 25?

[silent acorn]

Quick attack does some chip damage atleast

[clear lichen]

They turned Ash screaming "DODGE" at his Pokemon into a move I can't

[grave jolt]

Ash's Pikachu knows agility by the time of the surge Battle

[silent acorn]

But let's be real the biggest assupull is it hitting ground types inconsistently

Like thatd be fun a move that hits ground types sometimes

[clear lichen]

I've been planning to try to see if I could make Pikachu fusions work here

Any ideas?

[grave jolt]

Pikachu learns agility at level 33-47 Gen dependent

[clear lichen]

Mine is to fuse it to Froslass for Boltbeam

[silent acorn]

Fuse it with pachirisu

[clear lichen]

And then put the Light Ball on it

And hope for the best

Froslass because I need speed

[grave jolt]

[silent acorn]

The lighball does work as long as is pikachu

[clear lichen]

Otherwise I'm getting outsped and murdered

[hazy fable]

like for new pokemon?

[clear lichen]

No I just want to see if Light Ball and fusions can make Pikachu work

[silent acorn]

There is like one mon with a good ability for it I think

[clear lichen]

Actually why wouldn't I just fuse it with Weavile

Am I stupid?

[silent acorn]

Weavile body

[clear lichen]

Weavile is like 50 times better than Froslass

I'm just an idiot

[hazy fable]

yeah I was confused at first bcoz i thought you were disccussing about fusing a pikachu to a potential new pokemon

also vote eel

[clear lichen]

Idk I kinda ran out of things to say about what I voted

I said a lot of things about that already

[grave jolt]

Aegislash

[clear lichen]

Not Ice type so I can't do the funny Boltbeam combo

[molten latch]

So. . . . . . Any debates?

[clear lichen]

Oh right Weavile has like

0 good physical Ice moves

Unless I want to breed

[silent acorn]

Oooh Pikachu Castform

[molten latch]

As in Vote debates

[clear lichen]

They love giving their Gen 4 Ice types 0 good Ice moves

When Ice Fang Mamoswine got off easy you know it's bad

[velvet root]

Made something yesterday
he isnt smart

[clear lichen]

Even now you need to breed these Pokemon with like Smeargle to get Icicle Crash

Fricking Smeargle

[half needle]

there's a few pokemon i hope get put in the game

[silent acorn]

Fun fact that Weavile doesn't get nearly any physical ice moves

[clear lichen]

Thanks, Gamefreak

[velvet root]

Tell us

[clear lichen]

Yeah I'm literally ranting about that right now

It's so dumb

[grave jolt]

Do mamoswine

[clear lichen]

I need the speed

0 point trying to save Pikachu's bulk

[half needle]

skitty is my fave but also minior and archeops and probably some more im forgetting

[clear lichen]

And Mamoswine is specially frail anyways

[velvet root]

I like Skitty a lot

[clear lichen]

So I'd go straight for Weavile for the speed and damage

[silent acorn]

I like skitty little

[clear lichen]

Mamoswine is a cool Pokemon and I far prefer it over Weavile but in this situation Weavile's the better pick

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/skitty-happy-pokemon-chasing-tail-gif-8563162

[clear lichen]

(Weavile isn't bad it's just that Mamoswine is absolute peak)

[grave jolt]

Does light ball work in if like it does post or pre gen 5?

[clear lichen]

It works differently?

I'm pretty sure it's just doubled Attack and SpA

[grave jolt]

Pre gen 5 it only boosts attack

[clear lichen]

Well I'd assume it'd be post Gen 5

Since IF is based around Gen 7

Even then, I'm planning on using Pikachu/Weavile anyways

[grave jolt]

Oh god glaceon is also a slow fragile mixed attacker

[kind forum]

gen 5 onwards applies here

[grave jolt]

I was going to suggest Jynx for SpA

[clear lichen]

Fun fact: These are the top 10 fastest Ice types
Iron Bundle
Chien-Pao and Gdarm Zen
No Ice Eiscue
Weavile
Arceus
Sneasel
Froslass
Ninetales-A
Cryogonal

4 of these are shit, 1 is Arceus, 4 of these are never getting into Infinite Fusion

The best option will always be Weavile

Also, Glaceon's actually decently bulky

It's just that it's a bulky Ice type

[grave jolt]

God I love slow bulky ice types !!

[clear lichen]

Glaceon has similar bulk to Magnezone, for reference

[clear lichen]

Same!

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/walrein-pokemon-sealeo-rolling-gif-25539626

[clear lichen]

Mamoswine is actually a bulky ice type that works

Which is insane

Now to be fair it isn't extremely slow

But still

[grave jolt]

Glaceon has the 3rd highest spa of any ice type

[clear lichen]

Additionally, 2 of these have bad movepools, 1 of them needs a hidden ability to function

[grave jolt]

After kyurem white and mega Abanasnow

[clear lichen]

Probably more than 2 actually

I just know for sure that Sneasel line does

Oh, and 2 of these are alternate forms

One of which is an Eiscue

The other of which is a HP based form of one of the frailest mons to exist

G-Darm is broken but it's not because of Zen mode

[stuck bane]

Cryogonal has next highest sp def out of any new potential Pokémon right behind Florges, diancie, and Carbink, but that’s about it stats wise on an ice type

[clear lichen]

Cryogonal has 105 speed

It's extremely fast

For Ice standards at least

So it'd be a good new option for those who want a fast offensive Ice type fusion

[stuck bane]

Oh, and, avalugg is also high on defense side

[clear lichen]

After all, why would you want another slow Ice type?

Those are doomed to fail

Unless their name is Mamoswine or Baxcalibur

[grave jolt]

Alas, Ice type

[stuck bane]

Cryogonal: snowflake fusions, and one of the highest special defense stats in the game, as well as a good special attack and speed, and the only ice type (besides frost rotom) with access to levitate, also the only ice type with access to bind (for some reason), and the only pure ice type with natural access to night slash, and the only non-legendary pure ice type with access to ancient power, and the only pure ice type with access to confuse ray

[clear lichen]

Ig technically Caly-Ice too

But most mons would be broken with 680 BST

[grave jolt]

I absolutely hate cryogonal

[clear lichen]

most

cough cough Hoopa

[molten latch]

It was Kyurem's Henchmen but they're not that threatening.

[clear lichen]

In terms of in battle performance, it'd likely take Froslass' place in its Ice fusions

It sacrifices a bit of speed for a ton more power

[molten latch]

Ye

[hollow creek]

Cryogonal has awesome head potential but the body fuision are at 0, wtf do you do with this

same thing with minior but the body fusions are even worse

[grave jolt]

Cryo bad

[clear lichen]

Cryogonal is the 6th fastest Ice type you can remotely expect to see

[hollow creek]

I like him, just bad for IF

[grave jolt]

Pachi good

[clear lichen]

And one of those ice types are NFE of a fully evolved one also listed

And another is Arceus

And another is a regional form which I'm not even sure will be added or not

Exclude those and you're in 3rd place

105 itself isn't extremely mind blowing but it is good

Offensive ice types are great if given the stats, which is exactly what one should try to do if using Cryogonal in a fusion

Same with Froslass

[grave jolt]

I just realized Mamoswine is 95 speed, which means it's in the upper tier of ice types.

[clear lichen]

Weavile already has the stats though

[clear lichen]

It's actually 80

Idk how you got 95

95 is G-Darm

80 still puts it in the upper speed tier of Ice types

As well as being weirdly fast for a mammoth

[stuck bane]

It could be stat changes in future gens

[grave jolt]

I misread Walreins 65 as a 95 is how lmao

Sorted by hp

[high haven]

You've got a point, we have to consider not only the head fusions but also the bodies. And Cryogonal has a tough body to work with.

[clear lichen]

How did you misread Walrein as Mamoswine is the better question

Mamoswine has the same speed as Gallade

[hazy fable]

DON'T VOTE THE ELEMENTAL MONKEYS

This is the anti monke movement

[clear lichen]

Now, I don't know about you

But Gallade looks a LOT more nimble than Mamoswine

[grave jolt]

This is what I was looking at

[clear lichen]

This is a combination of Mamoswine being weirdly fast

[grave jolt]

Hadn't highlighted mamoswine

[clear lichen]

And Gallade being weirdly slow

[stuck bane]

Don’t make me cast wall of text again

[high haven]

It's those hips man, they're messing him up

[hazy fable]

barely anyone reads tho

[clear lichen]

It also speed ties Blaziken lol

Blaziken does have Speed Boost

[hazy fable]

like imagine reading

[grave jolt]

Walrein would be good if it traded 40 SPD for Spe

[clear lichen]

But the fact that its base speed is the same as Mamoswine is funny

[hazy fable]

thats why you get to vote the Eels

[stuck bane]

And this is the average voter and why dragons have dominated the votes

[weak trellis]

most ice types want the stat spread of deoxys-A

but most of them got deo-D's general design mentality

[stuck bane]

Eels are good but that does not give you permission to shit on other unova mons

[weak trellis]

vote crabrawler and you too can fix this mistake of stat design!

[grave jolt]

Deoxys D isn't even that good either lmao

[hazy fable]

im not, I just hate the monkeys

specifically elemental monkeys

[clear lichen]

Deo-D was good

[high haven]

There are plenty of equal quality if not better options than the lamprey eel

[clear lichen]

Until they added shoes to Pokemon

Then it became dogshit

[weak trellis]

tbh if I could fix any one stat spread it'd be changing kingdra's to make it more consistent with seadra/horsea lol

[clear lichen]

From broken to broke

[grave jolt]

Of the deoxys forms, it was the worst.

[weak trellis]

so until dex number 122?

[clear lichen]

That is true

[stuck bane]

I’ll hear it out, but eelektross is a good contender.

Also like I said before, better options than most things depending on who you ask, nothing really is objective

[clear lichen]

But it was still too strong for Smogon's OU tier

[grave jolt]

Electross ugly

[weak trellis]

I thought deo N was the worst on accounts of A being a straight upgrade

[clear lichen]

And had to be banned for Ubers

[clear lichen]

It isn't the worst it's just the most outclassed

[weak trellis]

the most BLU mon of all time

[stuck bane]

Damn great Gatsby was right this is how democracy dies

[hazy fable]

ugly = badass sprites when fusing

[clear lichen]

Either ways you won't see Deo-D in Ubers either

[weak trellis]

(BLU = BorderLine Ubers)

[hollow creek]

Correct!

[clear lichen]

Especially not now that Heavy-Duty Boots exist

[stuck bane]

So monke

[hollow creek]

Reminder:

[clear lichen]

HDB was also a big blow to Deoxys-Speed

[hazy fable]

no they look mid, but they take 6 slots

also they are weak af

[grave jolt]

That's just cause it's depxys

[high haven]

You're right, everything said here is just subjective and our own individual opinions.

[molten latch]

Armored Noot Noot

[stuck bane]

Slots don’t matter, and they have decent stats, simipour has championed a few BW nuzlockes

[hazy fable]

can we have some Bowser with this?

[hollow creek]

You can if he gets in

[stuck bane]

They also bring unique moves and abilities other monsters can’t give… if you knew how to read

[grave jolt]

Quoting Smogon "Reconsider using this Pokemon, as it has little to no justifiable niche."

[weak trellis]

and also XY! I love how they were handled there as kinda like pseudo staters

isn't that like 25% of smogon's ZU dex entries

"tier: unusable
strats: don't use this"

[stuck bane]

Were they in x and y like that? I thought that was BW only where they did that

[clear lichen]

For which Pokemon

[snow scroll]

A is more of a glass cannon

[weak trellis]

XY had them in the opening forest as normal encounters

[clear lichen]

A lot of Pokemon have little to no justifiable niche

[grave jolt]

Deoxys D

[clear lichen]

Yeah it sucks now

[stuck bane]

Ooo cool

[snow scroll]

my favourite is D tbh

[clear lichen]

Heavy-Duty Boots was a massive blow

Went from objectively Ubers to objectively dogshit

[grave jolt]

That was from the Gen 6 review lmao

[stuck bane]

I like speed form, that looks cool

[clear lichen]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure it's Ubers there

[grave jolt]

All the forms are

[high haven]

I don't think this is a quote directly from smogon but I remember someone making a joke and part of it was "Your favorite pokemon isn't competitively viable, but don't worry we can work together and find out how they can help on the team"

[clear lichen]

Even with many multiple tiers some Pokemon still can't find use

It's sad

[grave jolt]

Banned to Ubers for the crimes of speed

[snow scroll]

chunky

[grave jolt]

It's got the bulk of pyukumuku

[clear lichen]

There's so many brutal smogon reviews of bad Pokemon

Idk whether it's funny or sad

Just know that Wailord is outclassed by Pyukumuku

[weak trellis]

I think my favorite bit was for metapod where they played it straight

[molten latch]

Deoxys is Bonkers. Moopsten lost a Nuzlocke by it with Tentacruel.

[weak trellis]

even with terms like "24HKO" thrown around

[clear lichen]

Lol

[grave jolt]

It's main comp killer is that you have to pass over Deoxys speed

[grave jolt]

Let's go 7u!

[clear lichen]

And Deo-A

[weak trellis]

but yea I think newer gens just have "don't use this" rather than jokes

[clear lichen]

They need to make a joke style review of Mega Banette

In NatDex

[gleaming bluff]

ngl the only new pokemon we need is genesect 2: electric boogaloo

[clear lichen]

No that'd be Scizor 3: CHOICE BAND HUSTLE FIRST IMPRESSION addition

[gleaming bluff]

no idea what i would do as a heal fusion but a body fusion of this guy looks fun

[snow scroll]

upgrade from drives to cloud storage

[weak trellis]

I think my favorite smogon quote of all time tho was from a retrospectve

[snow scroll]

(13 new types available!)

[weak trellis]

"and in gen 4, pursuit became physical. bye-bye psychic types!"

[clear lichen]

It took longer than that

[clear lichen]

It wasn't even the beginning of the end

That'd be Gen 2

Redirection isn't valuable in Singles for obvious reasons

[grave jolt]

When you're suggesting lanturn, you know somethings bad

[clear lichen]

So Pachirisu lost its niche

Ig it is still electric immune but ground types and Lanturn exist

[snow scroll]

did it ever have a niche to begin with 😭

[clear lichen]

As an electric redirector in VGC, yeah

In Singles? Idfk

[stuck bane]

It won a tournament

That’s prob pachi’s best case

[grave jolt]

The best gen 6 set for pachi is a leftovers set lmao

[clear lichen]

It does have decent SpD for an old gen lower tier ig?

[weak trellis]

yea lightningrod + super fang + passable defenses

[clear lichen]

But when Staraptor loses its footing and falls to PU

[weak trellis]

says more about how specific things can be counterpick-worthy in VGC

[stuck bane]

I usually go off of the color indicated by the Pokémon db, so yeah I’d say good special defense and speed

[clear lichen]

You probably can imagine how others mons that don't use Tera well dealt with that

[weak trellis]

impressive how long it's been in BL

[clear lichen]

Singles draft best format fr

Unironically though it kinda takes the things I like from Singles and VGC and adds them together

Counterteaming is so funny

[grave jolt]

Personally I like stall teams, and find waiting for my opponent to die on their own time to be very fun

[eternal timber]

Stall teams generally are frustrating and drawn out for opponents and the audience

[clear lichen]

You probably extra hate Gen 9 then

[grave jolt]

Pokemon hasn't been the same since Gen 5 😔

[hazy fable]

gen 5 was best in terms of story

[eternal timber]

Anyway here to shill for skitty, glameow, and zangoose and seviper

[clear lichen]

Personally prefer Gen 9 on that front but imo they're definitely top 2

Doesn't say much though, Pokemon isn't exactly a great story game

[grave jolt]

Funny enough, Skitty is decent in littles cup

[clear lichen]

Speaking of LC

Mienfoo and Mienshao for Infinite Fusion let's go

[deft obsidian]

Is petili good in lc?

[clear lichen]

Idts? Don't see it a lot

BTW is Mandibuzz the only vulture Pokemon?

[eternal timber]

Double slap supremacy?

[deft obsidian]

Mandibuzz pre evolve is pretty good in lc, I'm sure about this one.

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's why I brought it up

[eternal timber]

Vullaby

[clear lichen]

We were talking about LC

[deft obsidian]

Evolite roost brive bird

[clear lichen]

Mandibuzz itself isn't bad either

[deft obsidian]

Yes, it's ghost types wall and defoger

[clear lichen]

Notably, it survived the Toxic distribution purge

[deft obsidian]

It was ou in gen 8

[clear lichen]

As Toxic is in its level up movepool

Mandibuzz would be a good addition imo

[eternal timber]

Eh, it would be fine but there’s so much to choose from and we have a lot of birds

[high haven]

I feel like people can do something interesting with Seviper's body. Albeit it's a serpentine body but the way it's arranged could be neat.

[eternal timber]

Oh we also only have one snake and the hood is so important for arboks identity that it can get in the way of other ideas

Plus the fangs and blade of seviper are wonderful

[high haven]

Despite both being mono poison snakes, the two of them lend themselves to completely different motifs and avenues for fusion designs.

[eternal timber]

Plus seviper has the rivalry theming

[high haven]

& it comes with Zangoose

I like the mystery in the gen 3 sprite of Zangoose, since it's the only iteration that has purple claws.

[eternal timber]

There is no mystery, they removed a part of the theming

The theming is that the “scars” on each of them matches the color of the others weapons

This is preserved in the shinies

I’m hoping if zangoose gets in most spriters return the purple

[molten latch]

Indeed

Both Zangoose and Seviper deserve more

Despite being rivals

[eternal timber]

The only mystery is why the theming was removed. Im guessing sugimori didn’t understand it was part of it

[molten latch]

Ye

[silent acorn]

Sneks are cul

[median pivot]

Were Zangoose's claws purple in the Orre games?

I forget.

[silent acorn]

Know what I hate?

[unkempt kernel]

They were in gen 3 ye

[clear lichen]

Idk whether I want Melmetal for Technician Double Iron Bash Scizor/Melmetal or whether I don't want Melmetal for Technician Double Iron Bash Scizor/Melmetal

Because on one hand

Funny button

On the other hand

Funny button

[eternal timber]

It may have been gen 3 but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was kept when models were made

[clear lichen]

(Ik it isn't in the votes btw)

[eternal timber]

The claws are folded back but they look black

Sugimori makes the reference art and likely made it based on the sprite the original designer made

But decided the purple wasnt really purple

So then creatures made the model based on the sugimori art

[silent acorn]

Yeah because Fearow is a weird something

[eternal timber]

Fearow is, yeah

[weak trellis]

speaking of zangoose I didn't know its claws were retractable until gen 9 rofl

[silent acorn]

No apparently Fearow is a crane

weird bird

Nothing to confirm it's a vulture

[eternal timber]

Oh, i meant i was agreeing about it being weird

[clear lichen]

Fearow Dark type regional form confirmed?

[eternal timber]

Nah, anhinga are known for their swimming abilities so something aquatic is needed

[clear lichen]

OK so Water type regional form

[eternal timber]

They can just rise and sink on command

[viscid fossil]

The term "on command" implies the existence of a species that can swim but has no control over its depth

[high haven]

Fun fact: It actually stated as much in previous dex entries

[snow scroll]

I'm kind of surprised they haven't made a dark-type variant of the fearow line already

[lost peak]

need to see luxray zangoose as wolverine

[snow scroll]

smth based off of shrikes/butcher birds would work really well

[molten latch]

Now fuse it with Talonflame

Then we can have an accurate depiction

[eternal timber]

I mean, most flighted birds dive like a human freediving does

You cant just casually adjust where you are in the water column you have to put effort into jt

[dire beacon]

Is there any Flabebe's evolve chain fusion sprite already?

[stuck bane]

There’s a few of each stage, but not one coherent one afaik

Check spritework

[trail hull]

propaganda again

[sour sigil]

Slightly horrifying

But cute

[inland jewel]

Let my boy in: New Ability, new Moves, the last pseudo we can get into the game, Fighting type (tied with the lowest amount of species at 13)

[sullen elbow]

~~there two/three more smh ~~

[rare spear]

Anyone know how to fix the issue with the starter randomizer only being first stage only?

[clear lichen]

There are 36 Dragon types in Infinite Fusion including NFEs. For reference, I counted the Water type Pokemon and it was 68 (unless I lost count). While the percentage of Dragon types not in Infinite Fusion is lower, it isn't by a lot. It is also noteworthy that a lot of the Dragon Types in IF are Legendaries

TLDR: Stop complaining about there being too many Dragon types

You can complain about there being not enough Fairy types but those are complete seperate things

10 of them if I counted correctly

Legendary Dragons I mean

[deft obsidian]

#tech-support maybe

[clear lichen]

I'm not formatting this argument well because my brain loves being stupid

And forgetting to include important details

There's 25 Fairies including NFEs

When considering that not a single Legendary Fairy Type is in the game (there's only 1 applicable for being added), the number of non legendary Fairy types is similar to that of non legendary Dragon types

And you won't be finding legendaries very often

It's also important to note that 1 of the dragon types is Ultra Necrozma who really lacks Dragon type options

No Draco Meteor mainly

It's mostly the fact that there aren't many good Dragon moves tbf

Dragon Claw is a bit weak

So is Dragon Pulse

And Dragon is a lot offensively worse than most other types stuck with similar powered moves like Ghost

That being said, pre Poltergeist physical Ghosts have it the worst

I hope you love relying on a 70 BP move as your main STAB

Draco Meteor is your best move but it has drawbacks

Still stronger to use it twice than to use Dragon Pulse twice though

And of course you can just switch

Man actually Dragon Types have it rough in the damaging move department, they have like 1 good move, 2 usable moves and then all other moves are mainly for support or status moves

I guess at least it has at least 1 usable move for each damaging type

And in older gens (like this one) there are a few types who had it far worse like Ghost

But yeah TLDR Dragon would be a good type to add, due to having very limited non Legendary options (at least, as limited as Fairy, which y'all claim is extremely limited)

To give y'all credit, in terms of battle prowess, Mawile may as well not exist

[rough hound]

Yea but its sure cool for fusions

[clear lichen]

This just made me realise I erroneously counted Dragalge and Skrelp for Dragon types

Lmfao

[molten loom]

It does have use

[clear lichen]

Wait I counted Skrelp as a Water type

Because Skrelp is a Water type

And not a Dragon type

[clear lichen]

At least I'm pretty sure I erroneously counted Dragalge

I know I erroneously counted Skrelp

[rough hound]

Skrelp is water/poison and dragalge is poison/dragon

[clear lichen]

Ah, you get the point

[high haven]

Oop, invalid argument /j/

[clear lichen]

About a third of dragons are legendaries and hard to obtain as a result

With that taken away they have the same number of Pokemon as the Fairy types that people say are limited

Until you realise that Mawile may as well not count due to being that bad so it has 1 more

[weak trellis]

late but hol up since when was dragon pulse (85 bp) considered weak?

[clear lichen]

But if you're only after how cool they look then yeah it's even

[clear lichen]

Tbf it isn't extremely weak

[weak trellis]

I guess if you count it having no secondary effects but still

[clear lichen]

I'd say the average is like 90

[weak trellis]

I generally have my cutoff at 75 for STAB and 60 for coverage

[high haven]

Okay that's a bit much. Just because it's not the best doesn't mean you can just exclude them from the equation.

[clear lichen]

And most of the attacks I can think of at 90 BP have secondary effects

[clear lichen]

No it's pretty terrible in battle

Outside of that yeah count it

But man Mawile is painfully terrible

It shouldn't have gotten the Mega so that it gets normal evolutions

[high haven]

Doesn't change the fact that they're in the game and have something visually going for it

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying

If you're after a Fairy type that does something in battle, don't count it

If you just want more Fairy types overall, do count it

Sure we aren't very far from having all available Dragon types but Dragon is inherently a very rare type

Anyways I hope I've convinced you that there aren't too many dragons in the game, thanks for coming to my TED talk

[hollow creek]

I trust datorre to pick a cool pokemon

[molten loom]

It's not that bad, I beat remix hard misty with just 1

[clear lichen]

Misty's pretty early game

I'd imagine Mawile's low stats aren't terrible early game

[molten loom]

And remix misty is infamous

[clear lichen]

Late game? Good luck

[dense perch]

aright, now a new pokemon in gonna be pute on the vote

[hollow creek]

Datorre has great taste I TRUST him

[molten loom]

Last run only really struggle was minimize crashing me a lot

And this was last run

[clear lichen]

Mawile gets Minimize?

[molten loom]

No but agatha does

[clear lichen]

Damn, maybe it has a niche than

Oh ok

Well that's gonna be annoying to fight whenever I decide to do a run

[molten loom]

It has some interesting tm learnsets though

[clear lichen]

Mawile's moveset is decent I'll give it that

It gets Tbolt right?

[molten loom]

No, not in any gen

[clear lichen]

Also idk why I'm trying to argue against Mawile being not unusable that just proves my point further

[trail hull]

I wonder who will be the next mon in the list

[clear lichen]

Dragons are as rare as Fairies are unless you're playing a rando

Unless you want to tell me you're finding mf Palkia in the grass on a non randomiser or something

[dense perch]

i have my guess

[trail hull]

you asked datorre?

[hollow creek]

Something cool

[clear lichen]

Oh also I'd assume Pseudo Legendaries are harder to find than normal Pokemon

But that one would be an assumption

[hollow creek]

Like the big drill mole

[dense perch]

nah, i wont intervene

[clear lichen]

If they were rarer, it would push the scale in Fairy's favour

But you don't see anyone asking for less Fairies and more Dragons

[molten loom]

Depends if its in remix or not

[clear lichen]

Anyways, as for fully evolved non Legendaries, Dragon has 11 while Fairy has 12

Fairy is quite literally more common than Dragon

Unless you include Legendaries

Dragon does have a lot of legendaries

Almost doubling its total count

But you aren't really gonna be finding legendaries in the grass in a normal playthrough

[analog stag]

Slurpuff gang rise up

[dense perch]

LETS GO

[outer matrix]

slurpuff?!

[feral bear]

catharsis

[dense perch]

https://tenor.com/view/epicwin-epic-win-slurpuff-pokemon-gif-25236831

[analog stag]

https://tenor.com/view/funky-cat-gc-slurpuff-pokemon-hungry-gif-5264269020457493661

[tender plank]

SLURPUFFFF

YEAAAA

[clear lichen]

I voted a 3 on Slurpuff

[trail hull]

slurpuuff line has a chance

[tender plank]

BIG WIN FOR THE SLURPUFF NATION

[trail hull]

keep your vote at 3 o the mons in the list

because they might not get in from secodn vote

[clear lichen]

I won't be changing any of my votes

Dw about it

[analog stag]

Keep voting for Slurpuff on the form, we also now have a second chance for it on the 2nd poll!

[clear lichen]

Slurpuff has 2 chances surely it will win at least one

Surely

[hollow creek]

~~I was kinda hoping it was vanilluxe ~~

[outer matrix]

maybe this wooper could end up being in the game after all...

[feral bear]

if I win elusive pokedex i might actually pick slurpuff to up the chances

[autumn radish]

The not-so-daily reminder that Lurantis would make for a cool addition to Infinite Fusion. Mantis fusions, cool grass-type mon, a meaning to get Solar Blade, and easy access to Contrary.
(dw i also voted slurpuff to 3 because sweet-themed fusions are cool)

[neon osprey]

god please just dont let wingull win

[hollow creek]

I will force myself to warm up to slurpuff because I think it has a pretty decent chance of winning the event winner vote

[autumn radish]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[clear lichen]

Oh also just because I'm saying that Fairy's actually a decent amount more common than Dragon doesn't mean I'm advocating to vote 1 on all fairies or whatever

[stuck bane]

Yoooo! Slurpuff is one I’d also be happy with, we need another fairy type head (we only have 4) and it has a ton of potential with dessert fusions

[clear lichen]

I'm just saying voting 1 on all dragons is dumb

[stuck bane]

100% happy with the special vote so far is not something I was expecting

[mystic crystal]

I so want Slurpuff to get in the game; thanks DaTorre

I gotta cook up some Slurpuff fusions now just in case 🤞

[clear lichen]

Out of the 2 on that list I want Slurpuff in more than Pelipper

[charred umbra]

Hey guys

[clear lichen]

Drizzle Pelican is fun

[charred umbra]

How can i vote for a new pokemon?

[hollow creek]

From what im seeing on smogon slurpuff is pretty ok in competitive so both spriters and competitors want slurpuff

[clear lichen]

But Slurpuff is definitely better for sprites

[stuck bane]

I’d also prefer Slurpuff more, but I liked wingull as a kid

[unkempt kernel]

Random thought for sprites- if Sawsbuck got in (And Deerling ofc), i bet ppl will (Or probs have) make Shikanokonokoshitantan sprites

[spice sage]

It's a vote, not a raffle, so picking it twice wouldn't do anything. Though you would have a chance to vote for it by winning 😛

[hollow creek]

Me too ngl

[clear lichen]

And Slurpuff is great as a suicide hazard lead

Or, in lower power levels, a belly drum sweeper

[stuck bane]

I made a shnasty Slurpuff meloetta once on showdown

[clear lichen]

So Slurpuff's still competing with Pelipper even on a competitive viewpoint

[hollow creek]

shnasty

[junior slate]

you should pick salazzle because lizard is based

[clear lichen]

Slurpuff overall is the better choice IN MY OPINION

[stuck bane]

Yeah it was like unburden belly drum drain punch play rough or something along those lines

[clear lichen]

Unburden sets are fun

[outer matrix]

so basically, it's like what was done last year where making sprites of the pokemon present on the vote forum would increase the pts for one?

[clear lichen]

Have you ever used Sash lead Slurpuff?

[hollow creek]

Slurpuff has more head fusion potential, Pelipper has more body fusion potential

[clear lichen]

Shit's hilarious on low ladder

You get up Sticky Webs, you Magic Coat moves like Stealth Rock and Taunt, you have Endeavor and Yawn, and Unburden makes you far faster once you have your Sash used up

You can also blow yourself up with Misty Explosion but that doesn't exist here

[spice sage]

No, no. The vote is only among the event winners

[hollow creek]

which is why i think slurpuff has great odds

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah here it is:

Acrobatics was the main idea for it being with unburden pirouette

[hollow creek]

unless the next winners choose golisopod or other really popular picks from the last vote

[autumn radish]

I thinks Lurantis would work as well. The only mon for Contrary we got is Shuckle, which isn't a good attacker, which is a shame. If Lurantis would be the winner, it would give easy access to some Contrary builds (which helps, thanks to Lurantis's good bulk and its alright moveset). Plus, not only it would be easy to get Solar Blade, but it would give the potential to use Lurantis for a Groudon or Ninetales fusion with Drought, and get easy Solar Beam/Solar Blade attacks.

[hollow creek]

A lot of the game's better spriters like slurpuff and a lot of the more competitive people also like slurpuff so I can see a slurpu-sweep happening

[clear lichen]

(This is the type of set I was referring to btw)

Does it get Sticky Web in Gen 7?

I'm not fully sure

[junior slate]

theres only 2 mons in the running for the second vote so far, so it seems a bit premature to be claiming stuff like that

[clear lichen]

I'm not sure why it even has Sticky Web in the first place

I get that sweets are sticky but when I think Sticky Web I think bugs

It's a bug move after all

[hollow creek]

Im treating the vote for a new pokemon in the infinite fusion like American politics and you WILL enjoy

[stuck bane]

Don’t forget raffle winners could show up again from winners of the special vote, slurpuff def had a following

[hollow creek]

Yeah exactly that

[junior slate]

why no lizard

[clear lichen]

How are Archen and Archeops in both 8th and 9th

[hollow creek]

a person won two of the contests that got them a vote in