pif-hoenn-discussion

[silent acorn]

Lets see whats a good item for this?

[twin phoenix]

When I see Salazzle, I expect Lovander. But I want to see more from her.

[humble lance]

lovander could never have what salazzle has

|| a good palette ||

[hot hamlet]

Taste?

[twin phoenix]

Though.. I would like to see alts where the fusion is surrounded by Salandit.

[silent acorn]

More like class

[silent acorn]

A big Dugtrio in the middle and a bunch of little Digglet around

[silent acorn]

Uh... What's this?

[placid pelican]

spirit shackle and haze

[silent acorn]

Ah

To neutralize contrary?

[hot hamlet]

Would not have gotten that from those pics

[placid pelican]

[silent acorn]

Clever

[placid pelican]

haze is pretty obvious i think

[hot hamlet]

Generic Weezing animation

[placid pelican]

spirit shackle no as much but i thought by context it made sense

[placid pelican]

no

[hot hamlet]

Spirit shackle maybe but I don’t play enough Decidueye to identify it from a still

[twin phoenix]

I thought it was Shadow Ball. Sorry..

[deft trout]

Finally polished up this base
Vote Seismitoad, look at this goofy boi

[placid pelican]

shadow ball doesnt look that cool

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-wow-amazed-inkedmyself-gif-21351132

[twin phoenix]

If I saw the signature bow pulling animation, I would have gotten it right away. I think that's the cool part.

[hot hamlet]

Seismitoad, Bisharp, Krookodile, and Conkeldurr why was Gen 5 the “boss of underlings” gen?

[hot hamlet]

At least the feather in the ground

[placid pelican]

yall mean this? :0

[silent acorn]

How would a substitute pain split work?

Fufclops seems imposing what do you think

Vs another ghost type it fails hmmm

[stuck bane]

Spirit shackle doesn’t work with contrary

[deft trout]

Just use Sap Sipper Gogoat plus Fairy Type

Never let it set up

Smh

[placid pelican]

??????

what the fuck are u saying man

[twin phoenix]

Spirit Shackle ensures Haze will hit and stay... I think?
Because Idk any Shadow Tag mons that can learn Haze.

[stuck bane]

You were responding to me about contrary meta, idk what decidueye has to do with that

[placid pelican]

nono

i see whats wrong here

[humble lance]

dragalge

[placid pelican]

my mistake translating

[humble lance]

did u see my salazzle : >

[placid pelican]

spectral thief

[placid pelican]

[humble lance]

[wooden walrus]

I NEED SKITTY

[stuck bane]

Ooooh I see, yeah that’s a good reason for decidueye

If it were in the vote

[placid pelican]

ultimate anti contrary

[stuck bane]

Oh wait decidu doesn’t get spectral thief in Gen 7, it’s just marshadow

[placid pelican]

or just

[stuck bane]

https://www.serebii.net/attackdex-sm/spectralthief.shtml

[placid pelican]

ye but anyways in our showdown a lot of mons get it

[stuck bane]

Showdown uses Gen 9 rules right? In addition to the few frog made like white smoke darkrai?

[silent acorn]

there now it can fight back dark/ghost and ghost/normal

With eviolite defenses should be 150. On top of Fur Coat Nerfing any physical attack

Including supereffective dark physical.

[placid pelican]

7

[silent acorn]

Now I have no Idea if it works but it substitutes to lose hp then uses pain split

[high haven]

Got the line art down, now I just need to colour and shade

[stuck bane]

Hmmm interesting, I must be thinking of the anything goes tier because I remember an IF tournament that had Alomomola knowing gen 8+ moves

[silent acorn]

Same hp value as dusknoir it works

[placid pelican]

it might be those fusion only moves that are added to some pokemon

[stuck bane]

Nah, it had the one flip turn move from Gen 8, it was like Alomomola doublade with eviolite regenerator

Or it might be Gen 9

[placid pelican]

idk i just know this:

[deft trout]

Just be sure to remember Fluffy adds a weakness to Fire

[stuck bane]

Yeah then spirit shackle is probably that, like entei getting v create

[stuck bane]

Fluffy does, fur coat doesn’t, that’s furfrou’s slight edge

[deft trout]

Ooooh

[rancid nymph]

Not if the Pokémon is Fire, Water, Rock or Dragon

[stuck bane]

I think at least

[deft trout]

I'm smart

[placid pelican]

kaboom body press

700 defense

[rancid nymph]

I remember having body press and cotton guard on my Dubwoll in Shield

Good times

[placid pelican]

like zamazenta but sheep

[rancid nymph]

Sheep that cannot be in this game

[silent acorn]

YOOOO NOICE

Yeah I didn't want to lose Pain Split on Furclops because that's such a middle finger to high hp mons and just defense in general

The shackle is just to torture the mon with disadvantage

It's a weirdly specific scenario to bypass Furclops Fur Coat because you specifically need a strong dark move to kill with supereffective stab

And it has Dusknoir hp value so the strat could work in theory

Nightshade might be better offensively than spirit shackle tho

[inland jewel]

The biggest loss with the exclusion of Gen 8 is no body press

can't even make Fur Coat good aside from walling

[high haven]

Here it is, the Seviper Eelektross fusion! Plus a shiny alt

[silent acorn]

Isn't it simple to implement?

[inland jewel]

not really, since we don't have the move data for Body Press

all moves from gens 1-7 are in the game, just not given anywhere.

Moves from Gen8+ aren't in the code

[snow scroll]

I still can't believe body press was a gen 8 thing

it feels like we've had it forever

[inland jewel]

Body Press has such a huge impact

[clear lichen]

Body Press is probably the most impactful recent move that isn't a signature

[inland jewel]

Its also worthy of note that ever since they introduced Body Press, that Furfrou has never been in a game where it is present

[snow scroll]

it was revolutionary

[clear lichen]

May be forgetting something though

Ig Triple Axel?

Triple Axel's pretty impactful too

[snow scroll]

triple axel was gen 8 too???

oh god

[clear lichen]

Iirc yeah

[inland jewel]

I thought it was Gen 9

[snow scroll]

showdown brainrot has warped my sense of time 😭

[clear lichen]

Weavile was great in Gen 8 partially because it had Taxel

It lost Taxel and even Knock Off in Gen 9

And fell to RU

But then it got them back so it's good again

Scale Shot as well is another good recent move

That's widespread

Poltergeist

Arguably, Expanding Force, Rising Voltage and Meteor Beam

The reason why I say that with less confidence is because they're a bit specific

Flip Turn is a pivot move which automatically makes it the most impactful recent move though

Pivot moves in Singles are crazy

The website I was using to try to recall the added moves erroneously states Mind Blown as a Gen 8 move

Which kinda hurts its credibility but I remember that Flip Turn is Gen 8 anyways

Would the most impactful move overall be U-Turn or Stealth Rocks

And also why were we talking about moves and their impact on competitive Pokemon

[weak trellis]

in general anything that encourages/rewards you for switching or discourages/punishes the opponent for doing so is absurdly powerful in 6v6 singles

since proper switching is the name of the game in singles

doubles a bit less so. switch-outs are still good but not as overwhelmingly strong.

[clear lichen]

A bit obvious to anyone who has played Singles on even a slightly competitive level but ok

Stealth Rocks make having a rock weakness absolutely crippling while U-Turn makes having a bug weakness crippling but not to the same extent as Rocks (unless you are quad weak compared to normal weakness)

However, Heavy-Duty Boots exist

So I'd say that before Gen 8, Rocks were far more impactful

After that, while they're still undeniably impactful and force many mons to run HDB, they've lost enough impact for me to think that U-Turn is overall more impactful

I feel like they removed Hidden Power because they realised that they were giving Volcarona immunity to Stealth Rocks

But then decided to give it Tera anyways

[oblique lotus]

to all yall voters and tour winners out there i have a good case for ludicolo. mirror b

[clear lichen]

Ludicolo has a pretty good case of getting in from a competitive standpoint

It's like the 3rd best Swift Swimmer

That's the case

[oblique lotus]

but mirror b is a much more solid argument than competitive

[clear lichen]

At least, 3rd best of our available options

The singular swift swim option that semi functions out of rain ever that we have access to is Floatzel

And we'd need Floatzel to get in first

[oblique lotus]

again mirror b

[viscid fossil]

If only swift swim actually worked

[clear lichen]

You tested it or anything?

I'm planning to do so

[viscid fossil]

Not in this patch specifically but I have in the past

[clear lichen]

So if you have tested it and can confirm that it doesn't work that'd save me the trouble

OK I'll test it then in case it changed

I'll try to find a way to test it

[viscid fossil]

Nah
I have a sand stream bulbasaur and sand rush darkrai ready to go

[clear lichen]

Ig that means all the weather speed boosting moves don't work?

[viscid fossil]

Yep
The 63 speed sand stream bulbasaur is moving before the 61 speed sand rush darkrai

Sand rush still gives sandstorm immunity interestingly enough

[clear lichen]

What kinda level difference is that

[viscid fossil]

Level 50 bulbasaur
level 23 darkrai

[clear lichen]

The fact that a level 23 darkrai is almost faster than a level 50 bulbasaur's pretty funny actually

[alpine rune]

laughs in level 18 Deoxys speed

[simple gulch]

slained

[simple gulch]

why is gastrodon there thou

[feral bear]

Bc she slays 💅

[simple gulch]

slain all the Primal Kyoger

[feral bear]

She has her own skincare products line

[clear lichen]

How does Regieleki measure up?

What level would it need to be to outspeed Deo-S?

[alpine rune]

hm

idk

[clear lichen]

(With Deo-S at level 18)

[simple gulch]

lv1 prankster sableye

[clear lichen]

What if no Status move?

Exactly

Prankster Sableye is fraud

Also, both Eleki and Deo-S get Extreme Speed

[simple gulch]

too shame

[clear lichen]

Tbf Protect would be the highest

[simple gulch]

its a ghost type

[clear lichen]

And ig technically Sableye would have the fastest Protect

[alpine rune]

level 92 eleki is the same speed as level 100 deoxys speed

[clear lichen]

At level 18 with max EVs and IVs and +nature, Eleki outspeeds at level 17

[alpine rune]

yea

Crazy

[clear lichen]

Without any EVs or IVs or nature, Eleki speed ties at 16

Better question, how much do you need to invest into Eleki to outspeed the slowest Pokemon?

A lot of Pokemon hold that title, all with 5 speed

Usually Shuckle is the example, or Munchlax

But I'll use Pyukumuku on the teambuilder

Because why not

[alpine rune]

Outspeed the slowest pokemon with +speed nature in level 100?

[clear lichen]

There will be one calc with the level 100 having no EVs or +nature and one where the level 100 has both

IVs will always be maxed for the level 100

In fact I'll have them maxed for both

Eleki would need Level 10 with a neutral nature, or level 9 with a + nature

[alpine rune]

Eleki is so fast that it goes first in trick room after agility

[simple gulch]

protect always goes first, it not depended on priority order

[clear lichen]

With maxed EVS and +nature on Pyukumuku, Eleki would need to be at least level 22 with the same conditions or level 27 without them

[clear lichen]

Protect does work based off priority

Its priority is above every other move in the game

[simple gulch]

:v tru

[clear lichen]

So it will always move first

Is there a priority bracket higher than that for it to move if boosted by Prankster?

It doesn't matter but it'd be funny

With 0 IVs or EVs and a speed lowering nature, a level 32 Regieleki speed ties Max level base 5 Pokemon with max IVs and EVs with a speed increasing nature

A base 0 stat would actually be higher than 1

Shedinja's HP of 1 is hardcoded

[alpine rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCNbOl4w2FI

[clear lichen]

A base 0 in a stat would be 36 at level 100 without any EVs or natures, but with maxed IVs

At least, for non HP stats

HP is calculated differently

I'm pretty sure Shedinja would have 100+ HP if it wasn't hardcoded though

So I wouldn't be surprised if a base 0 HP Pokemon would have existent HP

[inland geyser]

Vapollant and Umbrtoad

[molten latch]

Not bad

[alpine rune]

The only water ground type that matters is gastrodon

[grave jolt]

Consider:

It's impossible to not love him

just realized I'm in new poke discussion

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pokemon-gif-19673516

[alpine rune]

lol yea i was referring to the water ground that isnt in this game

[inland geyser]

I know a slug isn't throwing stones from inside a lil uglahh house

I actually wanted to do a pachirisu body fusion

[clear lichen]

Speaking of Water/Ground types

[alpine rune]

ikleast the slug aint ugly

[clear lichen]

Once, some guy typod Bug type as Bog type when trashtalking me for liking bugs

[grave jolt]

I think Gastrodon is a poor representation of sea slugs

[clear lichen]

So we should refer to all Water/Ground types as Bog types as a joke now

[grave jolt]

Sea Slug example (Spoilered since ik some people might not like it)

[clear lichen]

Anyways I'd be down to see any of the unadded Bog types be added to IF

[hexed agate]

Bog types 🤝 Bug types

cool bugs and related rise up

[clear lichen]

Anyways my brain is starting to short circuit from being awake for a stupid amount of time

[grave jolt]

Unadded Bog lines: Barboach line, Gastrodon, and the Palpitoad line.

[clear lichen]

The reason I've been awake for a stupid amount of time is because I'm stupid

So I'm gonna sleep

[grave jolt]

Have good slep

[molten latch]

Still, Jaiden and her Blaziken

[acoustic crane]

How do you get an fusion assigned to work on? lol

[rugged temple]

Further reason to see a corsola/gastrodon fusion

Or the other way around

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dragalge-pokemon-kalos-amie-pet-gif-27372800

[twin phoenix]

Gothitelle body is harder to design than I thought.. or perhaps I'm not imaginative nor skilled enough to make it work.

[molten latch]

Well I think its the lather

[twin phoenix]

Uhh.. hmm..

[molten latch]

OMG this is Kudos

I love it

[twin phoenix]

I will work extra hard for her~

[molten latch]

Nice

Not sure how will you gonna translate in pixel

[twin phoenix]

It will take a lot of time, but I will try~

[molten latch]

Ok

[deft obsidian]

Ey giratina

[molten latch]

Indeed

You bet you tight jorts its Giratelle

[twin phoenix]

We could use more snake lady fusions.

[molten latch]

Indeed

No wonder why Seviper is underrated

[mossy finch]

I need my boy conkelldur

[molten latch]

So uhm. . .

No debates?

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[prime dust]

it is 5am

too early for debates

[molten latch]

I see

[deft obsidian]

It's 1PM for me

[twin phoenix]

Oh, east coast.

And somewhere in Europe.

[deft obsidian]

No, I'm from iran.

Still close

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, very far away.

Oh, Europe is 8 hours ahead of where I'm at and not necessarily of east coast.

Anyway, I'll keep designing some Gothitelle in the meantime to show my support for it~

[prime dust]

im on the east coast

[sharp nebula]

lilligant
thank you for your time

[deft obsidian]

I'm working on lilligant bisharp concept rn

[molten latch]

Cool

https://tenor.com/view/bananabreadbutter-lilligant-petilil-lilligant-infestation-blink-182-gif-9559589496548305903

WTH?!

[twin phoenix]

She's in my top 5.

[prime dust]

is it a flowery harp made of pure steel

[twin phoenix]

That might be Honedge.

[prime dust]

honedge would give a different name

[deft obsidian]

No, it's prince with flower crown

[prime dust]

but lilligant+bisharp would likely become Lilliharp

[twin phoenix]

Ooh! 👀

[prime dust]

a flowery harp made of pure steel

[molten latch]

Nice

Idk what it will look like?

[prime dust]

neither do i, my logic would unfortunately be an alt sprite because you wouldn't be able to tell what mons it is

[molten latch]

I see

[simple gulch]

i cant join showdown @hidden relic this is unfair

[hidden relic]

huh wha

whaddup

[velvet root]

So what are we talking about rn

[simple gulch]

:v the tournament is 4am for me

[velvet root]

True
The tournaments are a lil anti european

[simple gulch]

what about we host each tournament in different times

so every. one can try a bit

[hidden relic]

It's currently 6am for me

Timezones suck man

If it wasn't just me hosting, I'd be able to do more EU friendly timezones

But I gotta accomodate with my times for work

[simple gulch]

it can still play a harp

made of lily of the valley

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kokichi-danganronpa-gif-19425662

hmm i Wonder what new mon could work for this carackter

[velvet root]

He already exists in the game

[marble meadow]

oh I see also i thinking sectonia would word with vespiqueen as a ref

[hidden relic]

I do got a fun personal project I'm gonna try and get done before the vote ends

Gonna try and do a base for each Pokemon on the vote before it ends

[acoustic tartan]

dont forget to give scraggy a 3!!

https://tenor.com/view/scraggy-danca-gif-10689742

[civic harness]

Awesome

And hello there

[hidden relic]

Starting with Sawk and Throh , not because I want them (they're OK), but because they are the first one the vote

[velvet root]

Isnt that 200~ bases

[hidden relic]

Mayhaps.

[velvet root]

Had a similiar idea but I cant get me do 200~ sprites in so few days

[civic harness]

Hello Zero

[velvet root]

(my idea was one sprite for each vote mon)

[hidden relic]

Oh I probably can't either

But I'm gonna try.

[velvet root]

Now I do my 3s
Than my 2s
Etc

[civic harness]

We have like 16 days

[velvet root]

These 3s are finished

These + claydol have to be made

[marble meadow]

my only reason with solrock and lunatune is angry sun sm3 angry moon majorasmask

[velvet root]

Greetings

[civic harness]

How is everything?

[velvet root]

Fine

[simple gulch]

vote for pant

[acoustic tartan]

yes

vote for cool baggy pant sprites

[velvet root]

I gave up on Goat propaganda for my mental health
Its not nice to be insulted directly and shit like that constantly only cuz I like then

[deft obsidian]

Idk what harp means

[simple gulch]

whats the ref

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/berlinphil-berliner-philharmoniker-sharingmusic-classical-music-harfe-gif-26940025

[velvet root]

Made the Toxicroak yesterday (the rest is older)

[simple gulch]

who would insult!!?

[velvet root]

I dont give names cuz i dont want people to go after them

[deft obsidian]

Aha, no it's dosen't have harp, he have rapier instead.

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hata-no-kokoro-kokoro-touhou-gif-13261074

My one reason for liligant is this

[velvet root]

Reminds me of the pumpkin

https://tenor.com/view/gourgeist-pokemon-shadow-ball-gourgeist-uses-shadow-ball-gif-10366766472960983051

[marble meadow]

could work for a existing one too with yamask

[deft obsidian]

Pumpkin lilligant :0

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-sectonia-gif-34359370721016254

I Wonder wich mon would fuse into this

and what about her flower form

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/swatting-slap-fly-fly-swatting-bug-gif-12085233

[marble meadow]

but what do I know I don’t know if she in as a ref sprite

[hidden relic]

I gotta finish up the scoring on the arms, hands, feet, and polish shading overall but

In the span on 15 mins

I'd say it's shaping up nicely

[velvet root]

Smol

[kind forum]

its that time again

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-james-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25091008

[simple gulch]

if thoth cloth was its flesh, would that two belts

[simple gulch]

i wonder if it quite too small

[hidden relic]

I kept it ~ the size of Throh's sprite

Maybe should exaggerate the head a lil' more?

[trail hull]

time for some more propaganda

[fathom ridge]

Happy spheal :3

[velvet root]

Whats the white on spheal

[trail hull]

the teeths

[civic harness]

Actually works

[hidden relic]

what does?

[civic harness]

I mean, youre sprite, the problem is that the perspective is deceiving

And make it look small

[chrome belfry]

I like them, the Mawile is scary once you realize the whole head is the mouth

[trail hull]

thanks 😄

[hidden relic]

I think sizing up the head by a couple of pixels is a good fix to that

[civic harness]

Try

[hidden relic]

I'd say big diff between this and current, since the extra space makes the head feel less clumped

But that may be my own bias

[fathom ridge]

Regular repost of the PowerPoint

[civic harness]

The head looks better

[trail hull]

the vikavolt part is hard to read could you change the color o it please

[fathom ridge]

Noted

[civic harness]

If you can make some fusion sprites would be awesome examples

[fathom ridge]

There are some at the end

[civic harness]

Im talking about the preevolutions

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh ok sorry

[civic harness]

Dont worry

[civic harness]

Anyways, I need to make some propaganda I want to complete my mission

[stuck bane]

Which one? The yeti crab?

[civic harness]

Yes

[stuck bane]

https://www.serebii.net/attackdex-sm/icehammer.shtml

I mean, haven’t looked into it much, but it genuinely is the only Mon to learn this in Gen 7, that’s a solid reason for it alone, especially with contrary, I think I gave it at least a 1 for that alone

[civic harness]

Thanks for the data

[stuck bane]

Oh hey, I did do some research on Crabominable before, here ya go

I’d say Crabominable isn’t too far below bruxish and dhelmise, mechanically at least: adds more fighting types, only fighting and ice type with hyper cutter, only ice type with iron fist, also only ice type with anger point, and we’ve talked about ice hammer already. It has a few things going for it, definitely not as much as steelworker or dazzling, but it has stuff

I don’t think it’s enough for me to bump it up to a 2, but it’s closer to that for sure

[civic harness]

All that data can help with the propaganda

But I will start with something about the pokedex

Because I search more data about Crabominable pokedex

Something simple

[velvet root]

[molten latch]

Yeah

We both pass on that *imp magnet mangosteen

Except the plant mons, Gothitelle and Salazzle

https://tenor.com/view/skiddo-gif-5097658

Here

Have a Skiddo @velvet root

[stuck bane]

Were you not just yesterday complaining about people shitting on your beloved gogoat?

[hollow creek]

The real question is how is medicham a girlboss

[stuck bane]

Idk I don’t lead team girlboss I just support it for the large amount of unova love it shows

[trail hull]

322 members before we reach 394K

[velvet root]

True
Should have explained it a bit more directly

[velvet root]

Because making propaganda for many here isnt very productiv
I love most of the mons for the game but with what we know 2 possible mons that we could get that we know of I wouldnt do propaganda for many at once

[velvet root]

So my apology if it sounded rude at first

[velvet root]

Thanks

[feral bear]

She steals

[velvet root]

Is toxiunny a girlboss?

[elfin forge]

https://tenor.com/view/walrein-pokemon-sealeo-rolling-gif-25539626

[stuck bane]

Fair, but I think large swaths of Pokémon being rooted for like team unova and team girlboss will be healthier for all the members of those teams because there’s less chance of a team feeling like they “lost”, but again we’re keeping our expectations in check

[elfin forge]

Give my boys a chance

[trail hull]

funfact gardevori and lopunny both have more then 1k sprites the other mons that are over 1k sprites are all finished except these two which lack msot head fusions

[stuck bane]

I think walrein was like 5th on spriter vote? It has a slight chance

[molten latch]

Come my Walrus Goons

[elfin forge]

Damn really? We have hope then

[velvet root]

True
But someone still prefers one from the man

[hollow creek]

what would the opposite of team girlboss be

[deft obsidian]

Damn, I thought lilligant is popular

[hollow creek]

Golosipod, turtonatr and archeops feel male-coded

definitely toxicroack

[deft obsidian]

Seismitoad, gigalith, gen 5 fossils and...

Kommo o

[hollow creek]

Barbaracle

[deft obsidian]

Yeti crabs camerupt walrein

[elfin forge]

Surprised how many votes the Fomantis and Lotad lines got

[hollow creek]

Lotad is goated

[neon ferry]

It's because they would make interesting fusions.

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/lotad-pokemon-hanging-hanging-out-out-gif-12961963

[stuck bane]

Not with spriters at least, but it has plenty of reason now:

[stuck bane]

Team… nice guy?

[terse fable]

Drampa is nice guy 🙂

[neon ferry]

the way you typed that out... it kind of gives it a "Friendzoned" vibe lol

[stuck bane]

Well what would you call the opposite of girl and boss?

Like guy passive?

[neon ferry]

Manslave?

[stuck bane]

Ok y’all way dirtier than me ok

[neon ferry]

Hey, great minds think ialike

[terse fable]

Just gonna delete that actually XD

[stuck bane]

Good choice

[terse fable]

I just woke up, my filter is asleep lol

[neon ferry]

I'll keep mine up. My middle name is Danger.

[stuck bane]

All good we all have our moments

[deft obsidian]

They removed slow mode

[terse fable]

goood lol, that was lame

[stuck bane]

They did, it’s not as bad as last vote since it’s only 2 lines I think

[finite reef]

Thats a good sign for Golisopod fans (Poor Araquanid getting outclassed by the other Alolan Water/Bug type)

[stuck bane]

I myself prefer the spider over the “goodbye chat”, but the pod also has its reasons.

[terse fable]

I like the idea of the fusions with water spider

[barren lion]

I will by hyped for either of them. Plus ability can just be removed upon fusion, so that is hardly an issue. That is the reason why Slaking is a god-tier fusion option

[stuck bane]

That’s a big selling point on big ones like archeops and Golisopod

[deft obsidian]

Isn't araquanid(this name is so hard) stronger, with sticky web?

[stuck bane]

Idk competitive, I just think araquanid looks cooler

But I do know water bubble is busted at the very least

[marble meadow]

you take the moon and you take the sun

[humble lance]

slazzle

[hidden relic]

While I wait for feedback on the Throh base, which pose should I do for Sawk?

[barren lion]

salazzle is gonna be the new gardevoir I bet

[hidden relic]

hopefully not

especially if it doesn't get in

[unkempt kernel]

I mean the same can be said for Gothitelle, Tsarena, Liligant etc

[barren lion]

true true, but Salazzle has its pokédex entry in addition.

[terse fable]

At least Salazzle has some good variance, feel it adds more unique sprites then say Meloetta

[hollow creek]

Consider the following:

[civic harness]

Two

[terse fable]

All tutles got 3 in my vote, they da best

[barren lion]

that second one tho.

[hollow creek]

Is that a neopet

[barren lion]

lilo and stitch experiment

[terse fable]

taht's a lilo n stitch alien

yee

[hollow creek]

LOL

[white meadow]

my new pokemon

Follivine

Name: Follivine

Type: Grass

Description: Follivine is a mythical Grass-type Pokémon that embodies the essence of the changing seasons. Its appearance and abilities shift with the passage of time, reflecting the unique qualities of each season. This Pokémon has four distinct forms, one for each season: Spring Bloom, Summer Blaze, Autumn Aura, and Winter Whirl.

Spring Bloom Form: In the spring, Follivine’s vibrant green leaves are adorned with delicate pink blossoms. It exudes a calming fragrance that soothes other Pokémon, increasing their resistance to status conditions. Its moves focus on healing and growth, with attacks like Flowering Surge and Revitalize.

Summer Blaze Form: During the summer, Follivine’s leaves turn a rich, deep green, and its vines become thicker and more robust. Its attacks gain a fiery edge, with moves like Solar Lash and Heatwave Vine. In this form, it can absorb sunlight to boost its attack power and speed.

Autumn Aura Form: As autumn arrives, Follivine’s leaves shift to warm hues of red, orange, and yellow. It harnesses the power of falling leaves and the crisp air, using moves like Leaf Barrage and Autumn Wind. In this form, it can create powerful gusts of wind that scatter foes and inflict status effects.

Winter Whirl Form: In winter, Follivine’s leaves take on a frosty, silver-blue hue, and its body becomes more slender and graceful. It specializes in ice-infused Grass-type moves like Frost Vine and Winter's Embrace. This form allows it to endure harsh conditions and freeze opponents in their tracks.

Follivine’s ability, Seasonal Shift, allows it to automatically change forms based on the real-world season, altering its stats, moves, and appearance to suit the environment. Trainers admire Follivine for its adaptability and beauty, making it a treasured companion across all seasons.

[terse fable]

I see wall of text, I 1 those

[hazy fable]

Who is that???

[kind forum]

lets worry about real mons before thinking about fakemons 😛

on that note

[hazy fable]

oh gawd dfjkghsdfkghs

[feral bear]

Oh malamar is a girlboss tbh

[stuck bane]

Makes mythical

Every trainer knows about it

I miss when mythicals were, ya know, myths

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/whiscash-pokemon-fish-silly-barboach-gif-23895614

i think this boi goes under radar but the only thing I can think of is the giant cat fish from touhou as ref

[terse fable]

I like wishcash, gave it a 3

[stuck bane]

Wario symbol could be funny on some fusions

[stuck bane]

And he goes in for the assist!

Swoobat: team rocket Mon, good speed, only psychic type besides cosmog to get unaware, only flying type to get unaware, also only psychic and flying type to get simple, only flying type to learn heart stamp, and only psychic type head that can also learn heart stamp, also the only psychic type head to learn assurance, and the only flying type to learn odor sleuth, and the only non-legendary flying type with access to calm mind naturally

[terse fable]

Swoobat would be better if we didn't already have plenty of mons to fill the bat role sprite wise

Although Swoobat is more cute bat then scary bat, which is some variance

[stuck bane]

It’s still an extremely unique bat compared to the others, fluffier, like fruit bats

[terse fable]

yee that's true, it's not a bad pick or anything

[dense onyx]

The heart SFX idea might be winning me over

[barren lion]

cake turtle

[hidden relic]

First 2 down gamers

[stuck bane]

Found another reason for Swoobat: learns heart stamp the earliest out of all heart stamp users at level 15 for both stages

[hidden relic]

🤯 Stray pixel alert nooo

[stuck bane]

They have potential too: adds more fighting types, Sawk brings great attack, and Throh brings great hp and good attack, and Sawk is the only fighting type to get sturdy (heracross but instead of needing a focus sash you have a free slot for an item?), also brings judo/karate/belt fusions and fusions of wearing a martial arts Gi for different Pokémon, Throh is also the only pure fighting type with access to bind, and the only Pokémon besides greninja that can learn mat block, also the only Pokémon besides pinsir to get storm throw naturally, and the only fully evolved pure fighting type with access to body slam, and the only fully evolved pure fighting type with access to circle throw

[hidden relic]

Truth be told they're like my 2nd least wanted

But I'm trying to make a base of every Pokemon on the vote

And these were first on the vote

Next is Corphish line

[stuck bane]

Team unova still appreciates the consideration

[hidden relic]

and then Golisopod :D

[stuck bane]

We love all our mons, even if they are rejected by every other region

[barren lion]

I think the problem with Sawk and Throh is they are just kinda basic. For fighting types, there are more appealing options both in terms of stats, moves and appearance, even abilities.
Honestly, the love they deserve is somekind of evolution. Hell, since Unova introduced the concept of 'evolution with two different pokémon at the same party', then why not use it for these two as well, have them evolve while being on the same party, showing they learn from each other and adapt, grow stronger together.

[humble lance]

now fuse with slazzle

[viscid fossil]

What
bro forgot manytke

[simple gulch]

rule2 challenge

[viscid fossil]

I can't even think of another pokemon that does that
especially not a unova one

[mild sedge]

I haven’t posted this for a whole day
so here we go

[hidden relic]

hell no

[barren lion]

fair, but it is a forgettable pokémon.
also huh... seems I was mistaken. Thought Shelmet and Karrablast evolved by being at the same party, but double-checked and it was by trade

[humble lance]

hell yes

[stuck bane]

And they’re not together for this vote, but that’s besides the point

[hidden relic]

Salazzle sucks, super boring mon

[humble lance]

MEAN TO HER

[hidden relic]

Literally what reason could you possible want Salazzle

[humble lance]

cool type combo
cool palette

[molten latch]

Literally Juri from Street Fighter

[hidden relic]

Pretty colors ain't enough to win it over

[molten latch]

It has better stats

[barren lion]

waifu-bait like Gardevoir

[molten latch]

You just dont get it

[simple gulch]

suck what?

[hidden relic]

Maybe later down the line, but rn there's still plenty of better options

[humble lance]

lizar

[molten latch]

What?

[simple gulch]

i have to stop u right here

[humble lance]

nah

[hidden relic]

and this is the exact problem. Salazzle's theming would be charm n' all that, but people will absolutely push that

[simple gulch]

her pink is too neon for me

[humble lance]

coward

[simple gulch]

like me

[barren lion]

and that's a bad thing?

[hidden relic]

Yes

Yes it is.

[simple gulch]

yes

[mystic crystal]

absolutely yes

[hidden relic]

Especially in a game surrounded by children

[barren lion]

then we should remove Gardevoir and Lopunny.

[feral bear]

Ahem

[humble lance]

she beautiful palette

[simple gulch]

nuh uh

[molten latch]

Oh I didnt know that. . .

[feral bear]

Let the girls have their bratty lizard come on nowwww

[simple gulch]

also u didnt fix her eye 🗿

[hidden relic]

Why the hell do you think we had to remove VCs in the first place

[humble lance]

idk how to
making it wider makes it look bad

[simple gulch]

but it kinda short now,i couldrry

[stuck bane]

To be fair, salazzle gets corrosion

[viscid fossil]

This looks off and i don't know why

[hidden relic]

Yeah, that's like: the one cool thing

I'll give you that.

[simple gulch]

slazza has bed eye

[stuck bane]

But it’s not a Gen 5 Mon so I can’t be asked to find all the reasons

[simple gulch]

not beddy enough

[barren lion]

but you are not arguing for removing certain VCs, but denying an entire pokémon. By that logic, we should remove Gardevoir and Lopunny.

[feral bear]

More bed needed

[viscid fossil]

that's not my problem
It's something about the necc

[humble lance]

noooooooo

gardevoir and lopunny bodies are almost done dont remove them

[simple gulch]

i guess since it has no shading

[simple gulch]

gard only did dirty by “those guys”

[hidden relic]

Those Pokemon are already super checked for overly NSFW sprites, and those sprites are removed.

[simple gulch]

lop was the worm here

[humble lance]

worm

[simple gulch]

thou

[barren lion]

then do the same for Salazzle if it gets in and it is no problem.

[simple gulch]

its not about the mon

its about the artist

[hidden relic]

It's about the theming

And artist

[humble lance]

let slazzle in

[stuck bane]

He means mods aren’t looking for even MORE work to do

[simple gulch]

lets do slazzel rule2 challenge

[humble lance]

do it
make slazzle machoke

[simple gulch]

we*

[molten latch]

Oof you forgot some pokemon that's an eevee

[hidden relic]

Garde was in no shape or form intended to be like that, Lop is arguable to be intended through design elements, but it's theming is not the same as Salazzle's blantantness towards it.

[humble lance]

they hate to see a lizar winning

[molten latch]

What about Cat Fish Dog Thing

[hidden relic]

the what

[simple gulch]

:v game Freak made quite many female only design that might raise questions

[simple gulch]

vap

[hollow creek]

I thought salazzle was cool what the hey

[hidden relic]

That's the fault of the internet and you know it.

[stuck bane]

I mean, gamefreak didn’t HAVE to lean into it after lopunny

[humble lance]

let the lizar girlboss

[hidden relic]

Like there's defd other mons like Salazzle

[simple gulch]

they made marry pokemon legal

[molten latch]

Why do we live in a society

[humble lance]

just to suffer

[hidden relic]

But Salazzle specifically plays into the theming of perfumes & captivation

[stuck bane]

Wasn’t that only in olden days from the one sinnoh library?

[hidden relic]

It's blantant asf

[quaint mauve]

Look lads, if all you can see when you look at a salazzle is lewds i have three kobolds in a trenchcoat to introduce you too.

[molten latch]

Aromatisse u say?

[simple gulch]

that mean it’s traditional

[barren lion]

WHERE?!

[viscid fossil]

Only in japan

[stuck bane]

I mean, Swoobat is literally the courting Pokémon and that’s not rule 2 in any way

[hollow creek]

Yknow who isn’t rule 2

[stuck bane]

Your mom?

[quaint mauve]

||Muscle man i swear to god||

[hollow creek]

…turtonator

[stuck bane]

Oh

[simple gulch]

i think it play in the perfume, cat walk theme in a nice ways, not too much suggestive

[mild sedge]

this guy

[stuck bane]

I thought it was a muscleman joke

[viscid fossil]

anyway
reject rule 2 violations
embrace roundness

[simple gulch]

he would said his mom is rule 2 bc she is beautiful

[molten latch]

Yknow who's Turtonator's trainer!? ||MY MOM!||

[stuck bane]

But isn’t that just the oedipus complex?

[quaint mauve]

Also you say its winning, do we have an actual tally up somewhere?

[barren lion]

reban jynx. Literal pokémon with breasts that is known for using kissing as attacks

[hidden relic]

Jynx is also one of those heavily monitored Pokemon in terms of sprites

[simple gulch]

only mope7 can make Jynx

[hollow creek]

And nobody else

[barren lion]

yeah, that figured. Don't want someone to make black jynx again either

[velvet root]

If you knew what his first form gets called sometimes

[quaint mauve]

I mean, jynx has a healthy number of Skald sprites here and there.

[simple gulch]

Skaldi?

[hidden relic]

||Hell, there was a Jynx/Drifblim I seen before.... 😨 ||

[quaint mauve]

Warrior Women and Chroniclers, however its spelled

[simple gulch]

tadpole

[molten latch]

Jynx is only just offensive, they changed the face to purple to avoid racism.

[simple gulch]

show

[hidden relic]

You think I got that saved

Hell no

[molten latch]

Even tho Jynx is base on a japanese culture.

[hidden relic]

Mhm

[simple gulch]

wa it inflation

[hidden relic]

😔

[stuck bane]

No

[viscid fossil]

"What? You do not know anything! You're... purple!"

[stuck bane]

Ok so some spriters are wild then

[molten latch]

I'm Thanos

[hidden relic]

Like man

[marble meadow]

This for double or a ref fusion

[stuck bane]

Maybe my imagination is making it worse but, that sounds horrifying

[simple gulch]

:v what about milktank

[hidden relic]

People already do weird asf stuff with non-suggestive stuff like Miltank

[hollow creek]

Imagine if skuntank won

[barren lion]

milktank fusion sprites are more cursed/comedic than suggestive

[hidden relic]

Something intentionally suggestive like Salazzle? Only problems come from that

[simple gulch]

i mean thats how we get fame in the first place, weird fusion with shock values

[molten latch]

PTSD

Happens

[quaint mauve]

the more intentionally suggestive a pokemon is, the less likely it gets lurid sprites.

[viscid fossil]

[quaint mauve]

Look at all the low hanging fruit lopunny spriters ignore for more chungus memes.

[simple gulch]

if u talking abour fart joke, we have a lot with koffing

[hollow creek]

I would make palkia/skuntank farding out a galaxy but I digress

[stuck bane]

I suppose the message of the day is any spriter will try to circumvent rule 2, as long as they’re creative enough

[simple gulch]

do it

[terse fable]

beautiful

[molten latch]

Farfetch'd and Haunter did it first.

[hidden relic]

It's not ignored, moreso sniped outta the air

[marble meadow]

it’s ya boi guzma will do a theme run of golissipod and his team if it gets in

[barren lion]

justice for Salazzle! She is being unfairly slut-shamed!

[terse fable]

not me givin skuntank a 3

[hollow creek]

I only have motivation to do turtonator non ifs for propaganda

[simple gulch]

she belong to the street

[stuck bane]

Sorry, I really don’t want fart fusions, it’s a 0 for me

[simple gulch]

make it fart from its shell hole

[quaint mauve]

I just want to know why it randomly learns flamethrower when it evolves.

[hollow creek]

GENIUS

[terse fable]

it's only farts

teehee

[mild sedge]

I dont know who’d I want less

skuntank or monkeys

[viscid fossil]

because methane go boom

[stuck bane]

The case should be clear

[molten latch]

Lets settle this down now, on to the topic please.

[stuck bane]

Monkeys are neutral

Fart fusions are an inherent negative

[quaint mauve]

Monkeys are six pokemon worth of sprites that are never going to be used in any serious manner.
Skuntank at least has viable stats.

[terse fable]

You say negative, I say...

umm

lemme think about it

[stuck bane]

Monkeys are viable, simipour has been good in some nuzlockes

[weak trellis]

I mean the monkies have decent stats too yea

[stuck bane]

Remember this morning

[quaint mauve]

Don't you 🤓 me you know im right.

[weak trellis]

98 offenses on both sides and 101 speed is decent

[terse fable]

lolll

[hexed agate]

[molten latch]

Oh Moderator!

[stuck bane]

Shall I cast wall of text?

[molten latch]

No

It stopped

Kinda

[silent acorn]

Cast Gardevoir

[molten latch]

Oh Shoot-

[stuck bane]

Do people need reasons on monkeys over skuntank yes or no?

[simple gulch]

which one r u talking about

[stuck cave]

Not too round

Or it's back to Rule 2

[stuck bane]

Monkeys have those stats

[hollow creek]

I would rather the monkeys over any of the regional birds ngl

[barren lion]

monkeys are just less interesting and less good starter pokémon

[stuck bane]

But we can’t get starters soooo

[silent acorn]

You are actually right that it isn't lol

[hollow creek]

Their designs aren’t as bad as people say they are

[silent acorn]

Can't get starters Danni boi

[quaint mauve]

shrug
forgot skuntank was just as squishy as they were honestly, but i'm still voting for less pokemon getting more quality sprites.

[hollow creek]

And it’s 6 total Pokémon so it’s not a total loss when the body fusions are just ok-ish

[simple gulch]

🙉🙈🙊

[silent acorn]

If anything they are neat for having different elemental moveset and for being one thing this vote

[stuck bane]

People are undecided I’m casting wall of text and you can’t stop me

[mild sedge]

So it’s fard fusions Or mediocre monkeys

[hollow creek]

The evolutions of them I always thought were nice

[stuck bane]

Elemental monkeys: would make a hilarious prank if your system date says April 1st your starters are always these guys no matter what settings you’re playing on, other than that they’re kinda underrated, simipour has been a surprising champion of multiple nuzlockes, all 3 bring good speed, attack, and special attack, simisage is the only grass type to naturally get gluttony, and simipour is the only water type to get gluttony, and they could potentially bring a triple fusion, simisage is also the only pure grass type with access to acrobatics naturally, and the only pure grass type with access to fling naturally, and the only grass type able to learn grass knot naturally, and the only grass type able to learn recycle naturally, and the only pure grass type able to learn scratch, and the only pure grass type able to learn torment naturally, and the only pure grass type with access to fury swipes, and the only pure grass type with access to lick, simisear is also the only pure fire type with access to acrobatics, and the only fire type with access to fling naturally, and the only pure fire type with access to natural gift naturally, and the only fire type with access to play nice, and the only fire type with access to recycle naturally, and the only pure fire type with access to scratch, simipour is also the only water type with access to acrobatics naturally, and the only water type with access to fling naturally, the only pure water type with access to natural gift naturally, and the only water type with access to recycle naturally, and the only pure water type with access to lick, and is also the only Pokémon besides Volcanion able to learn scald naturally

[acoustic tartan]

basically me

[terse fable]

jokes aside, skuntank would add skunks in general for fusions, which is something we don't have yet, could lead to cool looks/color schemes

[barren lion]

starters are already in the game tho. Plus that was literally their OG design purpose. That is why you got them so fast in Unova. To have an opposite type to your starter

[mild sedge]

I CAST PRESENTATION

[terse fable]

but like it's not a priority for me obv lol

[stuck cave]

I want Cherrim because Flower Gift shenanigans

[stuck bane]

That is a good presentation because it mentions me

[simple gulch]

vote for pant

[stuck bane]

Oh that’s a good point for Cherrim

[stuck cave]

Would Cherrim fusions need two sprites per fusion?

[molten latch]

Yes

[stuck cave]

Hell yeah

That'll be fun

[molten latch]

Hell nah

[stuck cave]

https://tenor.com/view/plant-gay-gif-22767496

[molten latch]

It would be spriter's nightmare

[hollow creek]

Love cherrim

[silent acorn]

this thing is new Pokemon Discussion so we only speak of new pokemon on the vote

[molten latch]

Wishiwashi too

[terse fable]

plant is good plant

[hollow creek]

Love wishiwasi

[simple gulch]

no, it just gonna work like aegislash

[viscid fossil]

(the kijetensoku (or however you spell it) theme is still stuck in my head, why did you do this to me)

[terse fable]

fish is good fish

[stuck cave]

Fire/Grass Cherrim fusion w/Flower Gift and high Attack

[simple gulch]

shoold form should just be an evo stage

[mild sedge]

do you know who else needs two sprites
(Also wishiwashi)

[hollow creek]

Wishiwashi is the coolest thing ever

[viscid fossil]

Stab weather ball

[weak trellis]

late but I'm not against skuntank but I'm also not gonna dismiss the monkies either

(my main vote's on crabs if we have a public vote)

[hollow creek]

I think it’s cooler when it has two sprites it can switch between mid fight

[near galleon]

Man, i'm excited to see what Pokemons are gonna be added

[stuck bane]

Core form and meteor form honestly have a ton of potential

[silent acorn]

Yo man you are getting godly with these

[molten latch]

Minior is low

[simple gulch]

too bad we didn’t built for that

[silent acorn]

Oh nice there is a gallery

[terse fable]

I gave wishiwashi a 3, most mons unique n weird I 3'd, even tho I know it might not get many sprites quickly the ones they do have will be unique af

[simple gulch]

“frog will never update the game engine “

[terse fable]

I gave a lot of things 3 if it's not obvious, I want a lot in lol

[hollow creek]

I could have sworn meloetta could do that

[simple gulch]

until

[barren lion]

I have trouble seeing how WishiWashi could be implemented. Like with Aegislash, sprite-change isn't viable with its ability. Do it just start its tiny form or the big form?

[silent acorn]

He would have to do witchcraft

[viscid fossil]

Form changes can exist or new mons

[inland jewel]

i mean, he has confiremd that he wont. so someone else has to do it

[viscid fossil]

we already have meloetta and ultra necrozma

[terse fable]

eh, they'd figure it out, they always do

[inland jewel]

game-wise, it starts in the tiny form and then activates schooling

[simple gulch]

was it?

[quaint mauve]

All of these are 2 and best to me in any case.
Furfrou, Tropius, Druddigon. Unique Pieces to the table on top of viability.

[silent acorn]

For stats yeah, but Froggo mentioned it's hard to keep them switching sprites mid battle

[hollow creek]

Ig it would turn into mini form after a battle and its health is low

[inland jewel]

so if someone fuses Wishiwashi and DOESN'T choose schooling, then it has the stats of tiny form

[simple gulch]

:v isnt melo change outside of battle

[hollow creek]

I have no idea

I could’ve sworn so

[terse fable]

see people already figuring it out, ez lol

[simple gulch]

in If at least

[viscid fossil]

that's because aegislash doesn't have forms
the stat change is actually just an overglorified power trick

[stuck bane]

Yes, In battle and outside of

[silent acorn]

See thats something I wonder... Would It have the sprite changing mid battle? Also remember it's one of those mons that changes back and forth a lot

[hollow creek]

Ok so that is possible

[simple gulch]

does the the sprite change too?

[brisk vessel]

Both in and out

[brisk vessel]

And yea

[simple gulch]

i guess since melo r 2 mons

[molten latch]

When the pokemon has 2 forms, the spriters will have a hard time doing the fused pokemon in 2 forms.

[simple gulch]

bc while aegi took only 1 slot

[inland jewel]

which is why if Wishiwashi does get added its gonna be a necrozma type pokemon

[silent acorn]

What happens in battle if Melo uses Ruin Song? Or its move?

[brisk vessel]

I think the problem with wishiwashi is that its form change is tied to an ability

[hollow creek]

I think the reason aegislash doesn’t do that is because both sprites are basically the same mon just doing a new pose

[inland jewel]

where the trigger to get the other form is trigger Schooling

[brisk vessel]

Relic song

The part thats meloetta changes

[simple gulch]

so to make the form change with the sprite, the mon need to take 2 slots

[silent acorn]

Does the sprite change?

[brisk vessel]

Yea

[inland jewel]

it changes sprite, and type yes

[brisk vessel]

If there's a pirouette version of the sprite

And vice versa

[silent acorn]

Huh so froggo did figure it out

[brisk vessel]

It works like U Necrozma except it lasts out of battle

[inland jewel]

yeah but meloetta has two dex entries

[simple gulch]

it need to be over lv 20 , over 50% hp

[stuck bane]

Slots aren’t an issue, they have like thousands of available slots after condensing down the code

[brisk vessel]

Its tied to a move so its easier to work with

[hollow creek]

I think if he didn’t figure it out, he wouldn’t be up for vote

[inland jewel]

this is entirely if Wishiwashi has 1 dex entry or 2

[viscid fossil]

That's why ultra necrozma has a seperate dex entry now
the old system just didn't work

[silent acorn]

Does it only happen if it has a custom or does the vanilla one show too?

[quaint mauve]

.. I feel like in battle sprites are going to make dex completion a fucking nightmare if they take separate slots.

[brisk vessel]

I think it happens regardless

You just need to use the move

[silent acorn]

I wouldn't mind it's more sprite potential

[inland jewel]

I mean... U-Necro has a seperate slot in the dex

[hollow creek]

It’s the limit of the game size (literal size of the game world itself) that is limited

[stuck bane]

He also said he’ll figure it out based on who wins, I remember last time I think he vetoed minior because he didn’t know how to make the code work at the time but maybe things have changed

[brisk vessel]

If theres no sprite it switches to an autogen i think

[simple gulch]

:v it just double the job for 1 mon

[inland jewel]

last i heard someone took the time to condense the map size so that might not be ain issue anymore

[brisk vessel]

Who said you had to run relic song

[hollow creek]

That’s big if true

[inland jewel]

however, the biggest thing that is liiting this game is Frogman's time, as he is the solo dev that is coding this game

[simple gulch]

i mean for form change mon in general

[viscid fossil]

He said he could if he had to
for maps anyway

[brisk vessel]

Fair

[stuck bane]

Yeah, dex slots aren’t, and there technically is more map space, but frog wants to save it for legendary/mythical/UB events

[silent acorn]

I get its handy for like Melo, Necroz, Cherrim and Castform

[viscid fossil]

For the limit on mons, that issue was solved when bringing in oricorio

[silent acorn]

But like Wishi does change out of battle due to its ability if it's low health

[brisk vessel]

Form changing based on abilities seems harder to work with

[simple gulch]

castform, would we need 4 slots lol

[terse fable]

Yea the future of IF is bright, it already was anyway but yee lol

[quaint mauve]

best flying type solves all the problems.

[brisk vessel]

Since both Necro and Melo use moves to change

[molten latch]

Seriously, They're better pokemon than Wishiwashi, Cherrim and Minior. Take example Dragalge, Golisopod, Malamar or Toxicroak.

Even cooler

[brisk vessel]

Archeops

[inland jewel]

yeah, quite literally they have confirmed that they can get the rest of the mons from gens 3-7. They just need time to impliment them. These votes are just to know which ones to add first

[brisk vessel]

We need my boy archeops

[hollow creek]

or turtonator

[molten latch]

That too

[barren lion]

I mean pelipper already won a round, so clearly it is not just about being better or cooler

[terse fable]

guys, I know you all llove those mons, but remember to at least 3 the one who deserves it

[simple gulch]

change form in mid battle look every cool thou, u never know ur mon could turn into an abomination at anynoment

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

[stuck bane]

Finish the fossils it’s a crime that Gen 5 fossils were added last when they’re the coolest

Fossils: if chosen, 100%’s the fossils from every region, both mons and preevos are unique and make for cool fusions, dropping defeatist from archeops gives a great BST with no drawbacks, and Carracosta would be the only water type with solid rock, carracosta also brings great defense and good attack, while archeops brings great attack with good special attack and speed, carracosta is also the only non-legendary rock type body to learn curse, and archeops is also the only non-legendary rock type able to learn quick attack, and the only rock type to learn double team naturally, and the only fully evolved rock type head able to learn dragon breath naturally

[hollow creek]

I think the extra vote is: the event winner picks will be lined up and we vote which of the picks get in

[simple gulch]

its a rando

no vote

[stuck bane]

If you look at the Google doc, frog hasn’t decided if it’s a raffle or vote

[simple gulch]

ike with melo

[hidden relic]

oh uhm

actually

that's leftover from me

[hollow creek]

It’s a mystery

[hidden relic]

😅

[inland jewel]

From how i heard the Winners decide the selection of pokemon, and then the Winners vote between the options

[hidden relic]

That's from when we didn't know

[inland jewel]

so like Pelliper will vote 3 on his, BUT he can also give points to the others selections

[hidden relic]

I was still planning everything

[hollow creek]

So it IS random then?

[stuck bane]

He’ll probably decide based on what he wants to win, and if there’s any mythicals (he has meloetta ptsd)

[kind forum]

Malamar
that is all

[hidden relic]

The second vote? No

[simple gulch]

drag all deeze

[stuck bane]

Oh so it is a vote

[hidden relic]

How it works is each person puts a line into the pool

From there, they vote on which line gets in

[hollow creek]

Ohhhh

[hidden relic]

Can't vote for your own line.

So you'll see later today

[inland jewel]

so quite literally, winners only vote

[terse fable]

I'd love a drampa n malamar fusion to promote both loll

[hidden relic]

With the winner of Dog Days

[simple gulch]

:v who vote? the winner?

[hollow creek]

That’s actually pretty cool

[stuck bane]

Oh so those people choose the vote, I see, well gl to them

[simple gulch]

might as well just pull a rando

[hidden relic]

Yep, winners of the events with TBD

[simple gulch]

bc what if they just vote 0 for the other

[hidden relic]

[inland jewel]

well they can't vote for their own so

[hidden relic]

It will be structed a bit differently than that

[twin phoenix]

I work too slowly these days, so hopefully the winners will share a desired mon with me.

[stuck bane]

Also another mod said it’s supposed to look like this is that right?

• Tourney #1 Infinite Fusion Random Battles: Wingull / Pelliper
• Emote Contest/Elusive Pokedex Event: TBD
• Dog Days Winner: TBD
• Dex Entry Contest #2 : TBD
• Speed Spriter Contest : TBD
• Tourney #2 IF Singles : TBD
• Tourney #3 Gen Lock : TBD
• Concept Art Contest : TBD
• Tourney #4 IF Doubles : TBD
• Tourney #5 Big Boss : TBD
• Tourney #6 Monotype: TBD

So it should look like this right?

[hidden relic]

But no spoilers

[simple gulch]

let RNG jeesus decide

[hollow creek]

That’s neat, since it’s both spriters and comp players making this decision

[hidden relic]

Yeah that's what's in announcements yeag

[stuck bane]

That emote/elusive have only one Mon chosen

[hidden relic]

Although the order on that is slightly wrong

[twin phoenix]

What the heck, concept art contest?

[hidden relic]

wait hold on

[rough hound]

Propoganda time

Vote toxicroak for all these fusions and more

[inland jewel]

i think the best way to do it is have them rank them from most want to least want

[hidden relic]

Well, yes and no

[simple gulch]

since they cant vote for what they like , how can u tell they will give big point for other mons

[inland jewel]

and then put the pokemon they voted in as the last

[molten latch]

Think again

[stuck bane]

Yeah one mod said elusive/emote aren’t supposed to be separate

[hidden relic]

It was supposed to be like that, but there was a miscommunication

[stuck bane]

And that it’s a mistake and both contests don’t get a Mon chosen

[hidden relic]

Which works in y'all favor tbh

[simple gulch]

people already did 2 melo

[hidden relic]

Because now, both get a vote

Rather than just one

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/magnify-magnifyingglass-spy-observe-search-gif-10918910732386058072

[molten latch]

And never again.

[silent acorn]

There has to be some small print letters

[hidden relic]

Also, that thing is slightly out of order

[rough hound]

Im still upset i was at work during the battles, never taking someone's shift again fr

[stuck bane]

Oh wait so elusive and emote contests ARE supposed to be separate winners?

[hidden relic]

Dog Days winner is up next

[hidden relic]

They weren't, but they are now.

[stuck bane]

Ok Ty

[hollow creek]

I’m dog day and I’m just so sad

[silent acorn]

So like every winner puts in a different mon like roulette from last year?

[stuck bane]

• Tourney #1 Infinite Fusion Random Battles: Wingull / Pelliper
• Emote Contest: TBD
• Elusive Pokedex Event: TBD
• Dog Days Winner: TBD
• Dex Entry Contest #2 : TBD
• Speed Spriter Contest : TBD
• Tourney #2 IF Singles : TBD
• Tourney #3 Gen Lock : TBD
• Concept Art Contest : TBD
• Tourney #4 IF Doubles : TBD
• Tourney #5 Big Boss : TBD
• Tourney #6 Monotype: TBD

So it should look like this right?

Ok I think this is right now

It is 1/12 shot for wingull then

[silent acorn]

They are showing what the candidates are right off the bat?

[hidden relic]

Yep, albeit it's not a roulette this time around.

[simple gulch]

i mean its like a line with 2 mons, some people will do a full line, some just gonna do the final evo, form change just mean 2 mon, how to implement it was the hard part, sprite? not much

[velvet root]

Like those?

[stuck bane]

Slowly over time as winners are determined

[hidden relic]

That's what Frog wanted to do

[rough hound]

Like those indeed

[hidden relic]

So they did

[silent acorn]

I mean that's good atleast we see what's up, I do wonder how the final pick is made

[hidden relic]

A final vote between the winners after all picks are made

[molten latch]

Oh so you're now that one dude who likes Wishiwashi then are you because he disses Spheal

[silent acorn]

I turned a page on Pelipper so I wouldn't mind it getting in

[inland jewel]

Winners vote on the pokemon from 0-3

[stuck bane]

I liked wingull as a kid, I’d be happy with it

[inland jewel]

and the one with the most votes gets in, is whats happening so far

[simple gulch]

what?

[velvet root]

So even if I win Gogoat has no chance cuz of the competetive players

[silent acorn]

So like total amount of votes? But what if they pick different mons?

[hidden relic]

I mean...no????

[inland jewel]

they are not allowed to choose their own mon. They have to choose other mons

[simple gulch]

i dont mind any mon that will be added, the more the merrier

[stuck bane]

Gogoat has stuff, hp and milk drink, if there’s nothing better it could totally make it

[silent acorn]

Huh.

[hidden relic]

You'll see

[simple gulch]

vote for pant thou

[inland jewel]

so like if I send in Vespiquen. I can't vote 3 on Vespiquen. I have to vote 0. I can vote 0-3 on pelliper though

[hidden relic]

Just don't worry about it for now

It's a whiles away

[velvet root]

You know the haters I talked about?
A good amount of those are competetive players

[hidden relic]

And we're quite the bit aways from 500k ever since we lost 1k from the phantom ping

/mem

[opal trail]

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[stuck bane]

F

[inland jewel]

so if i just choose 0 on all, then its a non-vote, and that just means a pokemon i might not want gets in. So better to just give the pokemon I want to see a vote right?

[hidden relic]

Look at that

[terse fable]

remember everyone, there's a horse, they are cute, and they need a 3

[hidden relic]

We used to be 49.6

[molten latch]

Bruh its one mon per game. Plus blame it on the game spacing.

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-mudsdale-mudbray-lycanroc-pokemon-horizons-gif-16049622682721470197

[rough hound]

Slug propoganda

Forgor this one

[hidden relic]

And now... back down to 49.37

[simple gulch]

why slug cryin

[terse fable]

I also like slug

[hidden relic]

Anyways, almost finished with the next base ((Probably would be by now if I didn't get distacted with questions))

[simple gulch]

now i have a rule2 challenge Tasreena sprite need to make

[rough hound]

Slug cryin bc slug not in IF yet

[stuck bane]

Space isn’t an issue anymore, for dex slots at least, that’s why monkeys and burmy are there

[silent acorn]

So like elections

[hollow creek]

I love wishiwasi tho

[inland jewel]

whats an election?

[simple gulch]

but i wonder if they will have 2 line for east and west

or just 2 slots for both

do they have different stats?