pif-hoenn-discussion

[rugged temple]

Explain this slander

[marsh gull]

Whaaat Slither Wing clears but also Volcarona is in fact just cool. Not a fan of any of the Violet paradoxes though personally

[rugged temple]

Do I detect anti Tropius sentiment here?!

[marsh gull]

I love the multiple question marks and arrows 😂

[high haven]

It just means that it has potential but it's not my personal pick

[clear lichen]

Nah, I disagree

Obviously it's just preference

[hollow creek]

Almost exactly my taste ngl

[clear lichen]

So there probably isn't a point to argue

Personally the Past and Future Paradoxes are pretty even for me

[rugged temple]

I will defend my boi Tropius

Let me make a propaganda for it right tf now

[gusty shuttle]

Tropius istant 3

[high haven]

Nice

[marsh gull]

Oh yeah not arguing I just like conversing? Debating? Idk whatever you wanna call it

Discussing our thoughts

[marsh gull]

Agreed I can't find anything to be upset about in this tier list

(Sorry Tropius lovers)

[gusty shuttle]

Writing characters of roman alphabet that represent sounds that united form words and sentences that we use to express complicated thoughts about subjects, done together with other people

Here

Now it's clearer

[high haven]

I am a man of design and presentation first and foremost, and that's how I ranked it

[clear lichen]

Ig you can look at it like that

But personally I've talked about my opinions on it so many times it got tiring

Especially since people usually do not hesitate to insult over these things

[high haven]

Fair enough

[gusty shuttle]

Remember don't insult people taste

Just insult people

[marsh gull]

Yeah insulting over stuff like this is taking it far too serious

[marsh gull]

lmao

[rugged temple]

Dont insult people, unless they slander Claydol and Tropius. In which case I turn this from E for Everyone to PG-13 real fast

[clear lichen]

I feel like usually they say something like "future paradoxes are so uncreative!" And then I bring up that the Past Paradoxes are usually equally uncreative

[marsh gull]

As long as it's not NC-17

[clear lichen]

You can't tell me Flutter Mane and Scream Tail are more creative than Iron Valiant

That's just crazy

[rugged temple]

Btw yanmega / Tropius would make a legit bug type flying bananasaur

[prisma willow]

I felt so robbed when I learned that Liligant wasn't in the game after I saw a Petil in Celedon City.

[rugged temple]

GIANT FLYING DRAGONFLY DINO

[high haven]

I think it's easy for people to get lost in the added details of the past paradox pokemon, hence why people dunk on the future ones more.

[clear lichen]

There's a Petilil in Celedon City?

Damn, no wonder you feel robbed

[prisma willow]

There was

[rugged temple]

Chances are frog adds petilil in just for that

[clear lichen]

The details for Flutter Mane and Scream Tail in particular are long hair

Oh, and Scream Tail becomes a menace to society as good as most Box arts

Wait wrong one

That's Flutter Mane

[marsh gull]

I guess I just think some of the past ones are interesting (not all) but just none of the future ones are visually interesting to me?

[high haven]

Because yeah the paradox mons at the end of the day are just "this specific pokemon but metal/unga bunga"

[clear lichen]

Roaring Moon is quite literally Mega Salamence with Feathers and slightly different colours

[clear lichen]

I mean it's extremely badass

Nobody's denying that

But what people are denying is the fact it isn't very creative

I just decided to not rank them based off creativity in my tierlist eventually

Otherwise the only ones outside of C tier would be like Slither Wing, Sandy Shocks and Iron Valiant

And that'd be dumb

I guess Iron Treads probably could also be outside of C tier with that clause

[marsh gull]

I think Raging Bolt, Slither Wing, and Walking Wake are all pretty fun but maybe that's controversial, I remember people didn't like Raging Bolt. And Sandy Shocks is sweet too

[gusty shuttle]

My friend gave 1 to Scraggy and Scrafty
I have one less friend now

[clear lichen]

I will say though, they did the Paradox Swords dirty hiding their biggest differences behind in game animations

Raging Bolt is another very creative one

[stuck bane]

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT. It felt so euphoric when Melo won the raffle and avenged petilil

[clear lichen]

I think the Paradox beasts and Swords definitely would push it into the Past Paradox's favour

But base game? They're about equally uncreative

[prisma willow]

Wait. Liligant is in?!

[clear lichen]

That's just my opinion though

[hollow creek]

ok I think these are my definitive IF takes

[stuck bane]

But I still want Lilligant in the game as my #1

[hollow creek]

text is gone lol

[clear lichen]

Text left

[gusty shuttle]

Pidove at the bottom
Well
We were talking about insulting people earlier right

[stuck bane]

No, I wish, but it felt like meloetta winning the raffle directly after Petilil was removed felt like a movie plot with the hero avenging their fallen comrade

[high haven]

Nice to see Seviper high up there.

[stuck bane]

Unfezant: is a Mon used on ash’s team, dove fusions, also with good attack and speed, and fully evolves at level 32 (can be obtained directly after Surge on hard mode with level caps), and is the only flying type to naturally learn facade

Pidove shouldn’t be THAT low

[hollow creek]

top is "Ideal for IF"
orange is "I would be happy"
Yellow is "I wouldnt be dissapointed"

[clear lichen]

Wait is it actually the only flying type to learn Facade?

[hollow creek]

Male unfezant is coolish but the rest of the line is ehhhhhh

[clear lichen]

Naturally I mean

Because if so that's hilarious

[stuck bane]

Yes, naturally that is, facade is a ™ IIRC, yes all my unova lists only include unique reasons

[gusty shuttle]

Also: politically based bird

[clear lichen]

Because the early route bird people would immediately associate with Facade is Swellow

And the fact that Unfezant is the one to learn it naturally is funny

[stuck bane]

Well swellow doesn’t learn facade naturally that’s for sure

UsUm learn set that is

[clear lichen]

Everyone knows Swellow for its Guts boosted Facades

Which is why it's funny to me that it doesn't learn it via level up but another regional bird does

[rugged temple]

At this point I don't think saying "it was on Ash's team" is a bonus. That boy can't battle for shit

He'd absolutely put Pikachu against something with ground typing or lightning rod

[stuck bane]

No but it has more anime screen time for more poses for base sprites and such

[clear lichen]

Idk how Ash managed to become a world champion when he was using Water Gun on Dracovish

And making terrible choices

Ig anime IQ debuff affected a lot more than just Ash

I wonder what the anime would look like if the top trainers always made the objective best choices

Like you'd expect them to

[stuck bane]

Hot take: ash was always stupid, from his battle to onix to his final fight against Leon

[clear lichen]

I agree lmao

[stuck bane]

He had smart moments, but he was mostly stupid

[prime dust]

points to the first pokemon movie that was shown a few days ago and it beating a Golem

[rugged temple]

Don't forget, instead of sending out a ground type against Surge, he just kept sending out pikachu

[clear lichen]

Plot Armour is crazy

What else can I say?

[prime dust]

yes the plot armor that makes him lose very easily winnable battles

[clear lichen]

Remember when Tobias decided it was his turn with the plot armour and plot armoured all over Ash

That was funny

[rugged temple]

lol

[clear lichen]

Idk it's not easy to win against a guy with a Darkrai and a Latios

When you're using Pokemon like Sceptile

[rugged temple]

Anyways, once again requesting people to vote 3 for claydol

[stuck bane]

I Stan the Rando who had a heatran in that tournament

[clear lichen]

And I'd definitely say using Thunder on your Swellow somehow not instantly frying it is definitely plot armour

Heck, that goes beyond plot armour

Bro has a plot fighter jet

But he forgets to use it

[gusty shuttle]

2 for me because of the first stage

[rugged temple]

He got it from punching mewtwo

[clear lichen]

(Or was it Thunderbolt? Both should pretty quickly fry Swellow either ways)

[rugged temple]

That's kinda like giving gyaradose a 2

Because of magikarp

[clear lichen]

(Instead of turning it Super Saiyan)

[velvet root]

You really want claydoll dont you?

[stuck bane]

Also does Pikachu know revival blessing because of its tears in the first movie?

[velvet root]

Like every time I look in this channel I see something about Claydoll line

[clear lichen]

New event just dropped

[rugged temple]

My dude, look no further than my name

[gusty shuttle]

Not the best example because I'd give 3 for Magikarp alone lol

[clear lichen]

If they ever go back to dumb events giving random moves to Pokemon

They better have a Shiny Lunala event where it has Blood Moon

It'd be less broken than V-Create Rayquaza, that's for sure

[velvet root]

Fine
Convince me

[clear lichen]

Doesn't say a lot

[stuck bane]

Incoming claygoat or godol?

[gusty shuttle]

GODOL
MY BROTHER GODOL

MIO FRATELLO GODOL
I WANT GODOL NOW

[rugged temple]

Oh and its shiny baltoy has golden body and jade bits. And shiny baltoy has golden eyes

[gusty shuttle]

If you make a Godol sprite I'm switching a vote to 3 for both Gogoat and Claydoll

[rugged temple]

Maybe one day

[velvet root]

More
I want your specific reason
Everyone can throw propaganda
Tell me its inspirations
Why they decide for some things maybe

[gusty shuttle]

Godol is the only worth reason now

[stuck bane]

Is it just me or is saying “interesting aesthetic” basically the same as “Lorem ipsum”?

[gusty shuttle]

You mean a template or a famous latin sentence

[clear lichen]

Ig so but sometimes people just don't feel like elaborating (but there's definitely some elaboration here)

[stuck bane]

Latin sentence

[rugged temple]

So first off, floating clay statue is incredibly unique among pokemon as only polteageist is anything close to it, rotating and constantly able to keep an eye on its surroundings from all of its eyes, orbital laser blaster hands too. It could work incredibly well promoting ancient statue themes along with others such as Golurk and xatu, and could definitely make for a great orbital laser weapon with a fusion of Magnezone and itself

[gusty shuttle]

Mh interesting
Never encountered it while studying latin, may be some later author half-barbarian

[rugged temple]

It would also be very helpful to get forretress a cool fusion, if at least for its head and cannons

[stuck bane]

It’s a thing in text documents where it’s a really long sentence just there to show what it would look like if it actually had text. It has led to situations where people forget to remove it and became a meme

[stuck bane]

Saving this

[feral bear]

please do, educate the masses

[rugged temple]

Also Rotom and baltoy would be an electric beyblade

[stuck bane]

Also if I’m using this now can leavanny join

[feral bear]

yes but she didnt show up for picture day sadly

[stuck bane]

Ok

[feral bear]

she was busy doing crimes

[velvet root]

Fine
I see it
Having something that actually is new is cool...

[rugged temple]

Also it's the only ground type to have levitate

[velvet root]

True

[stuck bane]

As all girl bosses should:

Ok I hard Stan team girlboss now there’s so many unova here and they’re all S tier

[feral bear]

lmaoosjsjs the line over the cleavage is the perfect touch

[velvet root]

Why is the slug one?

[silent acorn]

Hahaha Nunthitelle

[stuck bane]

Idk jojo is running team girlboss. I’m team unova

Also who’s top right?

[feral bear]

clamperl lolol and florges is top left

[silent acorn]

Wait the hell Gastro counts Girlboss???

[feral bear]

she sure does!!

[stuck bane]

Ooooh I see, yes even more S tiers

[silent acorn]

Why? Pink?

[velvet root]

He probably thinks the colors are gender diffrences

[feral bear]

she slays and eats

[silent acorn]

I mean i could see it

Besides Gastro is awesome for its colors

[stuck bane]

Storm drain ground type is a good way to convert to our cause as well (you’ll get your day soon, my toad Prince)

[silent acorn]

CLAMPERL

[stuck bane]

Clamperl is justified, it was forgotten last vote and gorebyss fits here

I hate autocorrect

[feral bear]

clark is valid

[silent acorn]

Not gonna lie I prefer CLAMPERL with eyes open

I can see with that expression that it evolves into Gorebyss

[stuck bane]

Like hold on lemme look at this:

[silent acorn]

Medichan

[stuck bane]

Florges, Maractus, Aromatisse, Lilligant, Tsareena, lurantis, pheromosa, Gothitelle, leavanny

And those are only the uncontested S tiers, this is a stacked lineup

[deft obsidian]

Where is alomomola? And pink jelly fish?

[silent acorn]

Hmmm... Actually Alomo can do that

[feral bear]

these are excellent additions

[stuck bane]

Apparently not girlboss enough, but a small price to pay for everyone else

[silent acorn]

What you mean Alomo has plenty ol charm

[stuck bane]

Alo def has better odds than someone:

Alomomola: one of the highest hp stats in the game with access to regenerator, and the only water type with access to healer, and is the only water type that can learn healing wish
(Luvdisc Comparison):
Only water type with access to heart stamp, and luv/disc named fusions

[feral bear]

The girlbosses pictured are just the main chapter, there are other members for sure!

they didnt sell enough beauty products to make partner+++ yet

[silent acorn]

Only water type to not evolve with 330

[stuck bane]

These are the girl bosses that will pave the way for the girl bosses of the next generation

[deft obsidian]

Like Tapu fini ...

[clear lichen]

Anyways I'd still vote for Alomomola because it's kinda stacked

In battle

In fact didn't I already vote a 3 for it earlier?

[stuck bane]

Team girlboss will also accept planned girlboss additions to travel back in time and be added now

[feral bear]

and we will say that they have always been there

[deft obsidian]

What is on top right ? Looks familiar

[feral bear]

cleamperl lolol

[stuck bane]

Clamperl

Hey my phone got it right

[clear lichen]

What's happening in #general btw

[stuck bane]

Idk let’s see

[silent acorn]

Another Suckondez?

[feral bear]

charli xcx

[stuck bane]

Huh, I guess this chat is the sane one and general is now where the psychos go. That’s cool

[silent acorn]

No legit asking because we had that one meltdown last year

[clear lichen]

Oh hey swearing is allowed

[silent acorn]

What's that last one?

[stuck bane]

This pleases team unova (scoli is last one)

[velvet root]

Salazzle/Scolipede

[silent acorn]

Oh that's awesome

[velvet root]

Thats why I love salazzle for pif

[stuck bane]

Corrosion would be fun, and as an alliance with team girlboss I suppose I must support it

[unkempt kernel]

The second image is why we can’t have the mushroom

[silent acorn]

it looks pretty fine what do you think?

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-cry-about-it-meme-gif-20184012

[stuck bane]

Counterpoint:

Amoongus: gets regenerator, adds more grass types, if picked 100%’s all the poison types from unova, and is a team rocket Mon, and is the only poison type that can naturally learn effect spore, also makes for good overworld pokeball encounters, we can also get Mr. Gus from foongus, and it’s the only poison type body with access to astonish naturally, it can also bring fusions of Pokémon being disguised as pokeballs or other interactable items, and it is the only grass type to naturally learn clear smog, and the only poison type body with access to feint attack

[silent acorn]

Gardevoir existance is why we shouldn't have thin pokemon

[clear lichen]

I like how you mention Astonish as if anyone is running that on Amoonguss

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-gif-19075770

[clear lichen]

It's all about Regenerator, Toxic, Spore, Rage Powder for Doubles, Synthesis and whatnot

[silent acorn]

Gonna try japeal amogus let's ses

[clear lichen]

Clear Smog is also pretty cool

[stuck bane]

1. Early game

2. Actually really good flinch chance, especially if fused with a serene grace. It would have uses, albeit few

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah uh, imma be real I don’t care about all that, just about how fusions look

[clear lichen]

Isn't it only 20%?

[stuck bane]

Wait what was it in Gen 7

[clear lichen]

You'd probably rather use a 30% flinch move

Especially since they're also stronger

[stuck bane]

In one gen it was absurd flinch chance

[clear lichen]

Even in early game I have never not been disappointed by Astonish

30 BP is just too low

[velvet root]

Amoonguss face is 10/10

[clear lichen]

Even with STAB, that's only 5 BP stronger than Tackle

Without it? Good luck.

[silent acorn]

bruh

[velvet root]

Hes done with everything

[stuck bane]

Apparently astonish has always been 30%. And like you said, it matters in early game because it’s just better tackle https://pokemondb.net/move/astonish

[clear lichen]

He's done with people putting him in the F to D tiers near instantly

[clear lichen]

It's only better Tackle if you have STAB

[stuck bane]

Oh nm

[clear lichen]

Actually it kinda just isn't better Tackle because of different type

[stuck bane]

But I will add his face on head fusions as a reason for him

[clear lichen]

But there aren't many ghost types early game

Or Psychic

So Astonish isn't very important

F to D tier is too harsh for Amoonguss imo

Idk why people put it there so often

Even before Among Us got popular

[stuck bane]

I know in one randomized nuzlocke run astonish helped me a ton. Maybe that’s why, randomized

[clear lichen]

RNGesus take the wheel

I say as I get frozen by Tri Attack

Tri Attack feels like it has a 50% Paralysis chance, a 25% burn chance and a 25% freeze chance whenever I get hit by it

That's just my terrible luck though

[stuck bane]

Idk how to link spritework on phone but aregularbigjoke made this:

[clear lichen]

I've been hit by that 1/10000000000000 luck before causing me to lose a battle

Unironically

Wait I added an extra zero

OK edited

Point is, my luck is trash

[clear lichen]

It's a shame that this isn't Pirouette form, imagine STAB Contrary Superpower spam

[silent acorn]

WALLAX

[stuck bane]

Oooo, boxing blocker hands too

[deft obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-caveman-gif-15358844

Looks like cave man spongebob

[stuck bane]

The eyes maybe? But that’s it

Oh wait I might see it now, it’s like if caveman SpongeBob had separated eye brows and was whistling

[rugged temple]

Noot noot

[velvet root]

Ribbit

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-hazbin-hotel-hazbin-maybe-alastor-hazbin-gif-18782610

now the right message

[broken kestrel]

sprite idea for a pkmn that hasn't been added and probably won't ever be

mew head runerigus body
a tablet with tcg ancient mew on it

[velvet root]

Runerigus is a impossible mon to add

[broken kestrel]

idc honestly i just thought it was a based idea

[rough hound]

sorry, was at work =(

[velvet root]

Its cool
But I also think it is made already

[velvet root]

dont worry
I updated it since

You like that frog?

[rough hound]

peak

im boutta say some things that would get me rule 2ed real quick

[velvet root]

Just keep the moveset on your side

even tho im a big fan of those jokes

[velvet root]

But tbf
I already see the fanart
Sadly I know Infinite fusion has fanart

[rough hound]

am i allowed to say the ___ or pass thing

[velvet root]

Nope

but I know what you wanna say

#1272660284397453444 I made my daily goat too
So I can go to bed
at like 11.22 pm

[rough hound]

oh my god hes so cute

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[rough hound]

i have the perfect comeback to this but i cant say it

[hexed agate]

[azure salmon]

Why do we even need this channel?

There are no new Pokemon to discuss

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/toxicroak-tuesday-gif-22972910

[glass patio]

hello was minior added oh ok it hasn’t

[molten loom]

Oak died

[gilded eagle]

i'm too lazy to change the ranking so here my rankings from the last time a new pokemon was add

[molten loom]

Stabbed by a Toxicroak

[rancid nymph]

IDK what he expected fighting a Toxicroak

[gilded eagle]

ya RIP oak

[velvet root]

To be fair
Toxicroak should hit the pads

[molten loom]

It knew what it was doing

[velvet root]

Oak didnt

[gilded eagle]

they were then Oak got careless

[rancid nymph]

Isn’t Toxicroak deceitful in nature?

[velvet root]

Btw if we get Croagunk Brock could have a fusion with one of his most loved (by the fandom) mons

[silent acorn]

It's not dark type so no

[rancid nymph]

Tell that to Marnie

[civic harness]

First I see that the crabs are in a good tier

[silent acorn]

I mean look a Brocks

https://tenor.com/view/walking-away-slowly-croagunk-pokemon-gif-15434156

Yeah look at this empty headed marvel

[gilded eagle]

dark type are deceitful but not all deceitful pokemon are dark type

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-come-come-here-croagunk-pokemon-gif-15346493

[hollow creek]

He cried...

[silent acorn]

Does this fella look deceitful

[civic harness]

Everyone, take this again
#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[silent acorn]

NOICE

[velvet root]

Pov Absol and Pangoro being nice, help others and only fight opponents with same strength

[alpine rune]

Wait what the fuck this is the old channel and not just a new channel remade?

[velvet root]

Obv

[gilded eagle]

but you get what i'm saying right?

[stuck bane]

Not a perfect one since clamperl is missing and has a couple dozen additions that have already been added

[inland jewel]

yo wait if this is the old channel then the results of the poll should be available then

[velvet root]

My old acc was fun
Sadly its a scam acc now

[stuck bane]

Which one? There were a few poll results shown

[inland jewel]

the Lycanroc poll results

where it showed the top 10 pokemon

[alpine rune]

I got pinged for a message I sent ages ago wth lol

[stuck bane]

Oh spriter results? Yeah those were shown like day after 1s

[velvet root]

That one hurts

[alpine rune]

Also my most wanted stayed the same now with no Tapus, I'm advocating for more weather types

[inland jewel]

if the results don't change, then Golisopod is winning this year's vote

[alpine rune]

Oh wait hippowdon

[velvet root]

Those is what happens when only spriter vote

[alpine rune]

Uhh lemme change up my votes

[inland jewel]

its still a pretty good indicator of what to expect

[velvet root]

Not really

[inland jewel]

I'm good with the results until it hits spheal,

[stuck bane]

They will, I’m fairly sure of it, some people only vote with their fav on 3 and 0 on everything else, with a good chunk added, those people might pick another Mon to fully support or balance out their votes

[velvet root]

Ded

That fusion would make Jimmy happy

[stuck bane]

Golisopod is next on spriter, kommo would have made it but was vetoed, and archeops appeared on raffle and spriter list, or it could be completely different, these things are really hard to predict

[velvet root]

I see something cool winning
Like Toxicroak

[inland jewel]

still mad about that

[stuck bane]

Also, this is a general poll, not a spriter one, results could heavily sway with general population

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-torkoal-ok-bye-ok-bye-gif-10952927295946666301

[gilded eagle]

dose anyone have that pic that promoting votes for Golisopod, Scorilpede and Necrozma this chat reminde of that

[stuck bane]

You can search history NGS containing image

[velvet root]

Wait

[stuck bane]

Right here

[gilded eagle]

what?

[gilded eagle]

ya i'm talking about the bottom right and now i want a triple fusion of them thank you memory

[stuck bane]

NGS was a fun group, but I think triple fusions are only reserved for special cases, not 2 bugs and a legendary. The fusion still would look good tho

[velvet root]

Yeah...
That was a great time, they had respect

Now they are such aholes that I dont want to do active propaganda anymore
Even tho it was fun

[stuck bane]

Who’s they?

[civic harness]

They could make one propaganda more about Golisopod case

[gilded eagle]

the NGS

[velvet root]

Doesnt matter
I dont want to bring people into problema

[velvet root]

Other voters

[gilded eagle]

oh

[stuck bane]

I mean, some propaganda is still alive:

[gilded eagle]

what?

[velvet root]

Only the Goat one from my side stops

[stuck bane]

But yeah, it’s way less cutthroat than last time it feels, maybe because it’s 2 lines and everyone knows their fav Mon prob won’t get in

[velvet root]

Im sick of getting treated like shit, being insulted and stuff just cuz I think Gogoat would be great for PIF

[stuck bane]

So there’s no point in heated debates about it

I only saw glimpses of it last time, was NGS so universally loved that it never had backlash? As unova man, I know plenty of mons that were shit on last vote the same way you’re describing

[velvet root]

Only group who tried was Marshadow
But it got crushed by the size of NGS and its allays ( dont think i spelled it right)

[grave jolt]

Good afternoon all, I have returned to spread the word of the one true poke

[stuck bane]

Marshadow was more killed by annoying everyone more than anything, I don’t think that was a sole NGS thing

But if that was the case for NGS, I knew it was huge, but for the rest of us we have to deal with our favorites getting shit on all the time like that. It’s just par for the course

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[azure salmon]

I’m sorry about that

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-cute-gif-26992617

[azure salmon]

It’s unfair that someone like you gets treated like that for your own opinion of what you want in IF

That anyone gets treated like that

[hollow creek]

I really dont like marshadow for IF, for head fusions he has like 2 colors, dark gray and red, and for bodies hes just a little dude
(when I say really dont like I mean I would be mildly dissapointed im not getting angry over the infinite fusion)

[unkempt kernel]

Can’t you use the green for when he’s attacking etc?

[grave jolt]

It'd be another event pokemon to me

[gilded eagle]

i somewhat remember getting flake bout Marshadow for be so high, i like Gogoat style despite never play any pokemon games outside of gen 5 or fan

[silent acorn]

Change it to like no use tier

[hollow creek]

Yeah I did see that actually

Eh marshadow isnt the worst, idk im just not too huge on more humanoids after meloetta

[stuck bane]

Yeah, gogoat’s def over marshadow for me, perhaps it’s bias since Team marshadow was so annoying, but beyond a few mechanics, I’m just not super big into its design, idk

[iron quartz]

BRO THAT WAS A YEAR? AGO

[hollow creek]

I would be OK with marshadow

[stuck bane]

Yep, and instead of a giant vote this is probably the beginning of a small but constant trickle of new mons every few months or so

[iron quartz]

that was literally back in 2023

[unkempt kernel]

Fair, I do kinda want more non mythical psy mons in IF, so Gothitelle line is one of my top 3 for pif (Pachirisu being at 1, gothitelle probs being 2)

[hollow creek]

I could understand the hype, it has that green and orange accent on top of the gray which could potentially look super good, and for people who are really good at sketching, hes an easy to draw little dude so idk

this flame stuff could look really good coming off of a dragon

[stuck bane]

Chill praying: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only psychic type to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk, also the only psychic type with access to play nice, and the only pure psychic type with access to tickle naturally, and the only pure psychic type with access to double slap, and the only pure psychic type with access to embargo naturally, and the only pure psychic type to learn fake tears naturally, and the only pure psychic type to learn feint attack, and the only pure psychic type to learn flatter naturally, it also brings goth names like gothkid, gothqueen, goth jr., etc.

[slim otter]

I've made these Gastrodon sprites so far

[velvet root]

Thats only head colors
Also i dont like a mon that only has potential cuz of a seperate form

[hollow creek]

Every gothitelle fusion being "its a goth girl omggg!!!!" and thats it

[slim otter]

Today I'm gonna make East Sea Shellos/Eevee

[velvet root]

Its like voting Floette cuz of the AZ form

[stuck bane]

Wait does marshadow have a second form?

[velvet root]

The green one
Its the Zenit form

[slim otter]

The green part can be grey

[hollow creek]

I didnt know that because im not familiar with the more obscure SM legendaries

[stuck bane]

Wooooow, how tf were people complaining about melo’s forms being the same when marshadow has THAT?!?!

[hollow creek]

melo's forms were different enough to be a big difference and fun overall, even if a little harder to work with

[median iris]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-evil-evil-smile-gif-19275451

I saw my boy's back on the ticket

I've been gone for months, what's happenin' y'all

[azure salmon]

Let’s see

Uhh

New Pokemon

New contests

And

New people

[stuck bane]

Like, how many months? Golisopod has a shot at winning because 2nd in spriter vote, and remenants of NGS.

Oh yeah, and 2 more lines are being added

[velvet root]

People bully Goats

[median iris]

We're still around-- AYYY

AY I KNOW YOU

What's uppp, oh wwe're going for gogoat?

Is the Hive discord still up?

[velvet root]

I made GG
Gogoat Golisopod

[stuck bane]

It’s such a weird system: you join a team and die when that Pokémon is added (unless you were repping multiple), you don’t want your team to still be around

[median iris]

Nice, I'll slap a three on the goat too

[velvet root]

Idk
My old acc got stolen

[median iris]

NGS gotta stick together

[velvet root]

[median iris]

Aw rip, I had to change mine too

discord tings lol

[dense perch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/B1jaE6sLQP0?si=rPsjwlf_UposMIqZ

[median iris]

Hang on, lemme pull up the list, I'll add three to gogoat

[silent acorn]

HMMM FAIR

See this is not measure in points. More like... I dunno for fun factor in general for fusion.

This is not For stats but more like in design

[dense perch]

Camerupt is too low

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/crown-king-crowned-royalty-prince-gif-15241371

[median iris]

@velvet root gotchu

[silent acorn]

I haven't seen a lot of it. I haven't see advocates nor propaganda

[prime dust]

i think i shifted gogoat on mine to 2

[dense perch]

He is has creative has a torterra

[silent acorn]

It's subject to change

[prime dust]

3 is till motly regulated to 3 stages or mons i think will be really good [even if they are 2 or single stage]

[silent acorn]

Plus read the tier is in

[velvet root]

Awesome

[silent acorn]

Some Use. With some thought

[median iris]

I'm loyal to bug at the end of the day but gogoat's the goat and I remember you helping majorly with NGS

its no worries

[velvet root]

Btw you probably like him

[median iris]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

IT'S MY BOI

[velvet root]

Yeah i was why the S part was in

[median iris]

Yeah, I was the G lol

Account got merked though rip

[velvet root]

And rick was the N

[median iris]

Is he still here?

[silent acorn]

He hasn't shown up he probably is busy

[velvet root]

He exists but doesnt give much fuck anymore

[silent acorn]

Show me the head fusion

[gilded eagle]

i don't i want to run or fed it cheesecake

[median iris]

ahh so it goes

To be fair I fell off after Golisopod didn't make it in LOL

[median iris]

Boy's chillin'

[velvet root]

We were really close tho

[median iris]

Really? 👀

[velvet root]

Lycanrock got in by like 2 votes

[median iris]

OH THAT HURTS LOL

Because I think I voted a high number for lycanroc--

[silent acorn]

Hmmm you make a good case with this one

[velvet root]

Same qwq

[median iris]

OOF

[silent acorn]

Hmmm it has a nice mega alright. Boosted to 2 and higher up

[dense perch]

Her's the last one, there aren't a lot but there are all good and original

[silent acorn]

Ready

I mean its higher above Hippowdon and I like hippowdon

[stuck bane]

Reminder Camerupt and sharpedo are counterparts (99% sure)

[median iris]

Wellp, here's our chance to bring in the boi lol

[dense perch]

They are

[stuck bane]

So it sounds like you’ve been gone for a while, hi, I’m unova man, if you need reasons for any unova Mon besides starters (not in this vote) I gotchu

[median iris]

Nice to meetchaaa

[slim otter]

Let's hear your points on Sawsbuck and/or Deerling

[median iris]

I'm just vibing honestly, last pokemon discussion was full of propaganda, was the funniest thing ever

[stuck bane]

1s

The buck: not only encourages seasonal fusions, but represents all 4 at once, gets us more grass types, only non-legendary grass type to get serene grace, and only normal type to get chlorophyll, good attack and speed, and serves as better horn leech body above gogoat and trevenant because of it, speaking of horn leech, it’s the only normal type with access to horn leech, and horn leech is available right off the bat at level 1 unlike gogoat too, Sawsbuck is also the only grass type to get camouflage naturally, and the only grass type body with access to megahorn, and the only normal type with access to aromatherapy naturally, and the only grass type body with access to charm naturally, and the only grass type body with access to double kick, and the only normal type to learn energy ball naturally

[dense perch]

Tbh I think this one is with even more propaganda XD

[median iris]

Oh word? Let's gooo

[stuck bane]

It’s not dominated by NGS at the very least

[median iris]

Only one more to get in, to be fair

[stuck bane]

But maybe that’s because it’s only 2 lines up for grabs, people aren’t fighting as hard

[median iris]

There were alliances and whatnot back then, we had a ball

[silent acorn]

By the way requires creativity isn't bad perse that's the Grey tier

[silent acorn]

Alright as the activity this is the new one

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah I’m also allied with team girlboss, but I’m the main one leading the charge for anything unova

[median iris]

Fair enough, fair enough

[silent acorn]

Only a couple of things don't make me unova top

[median iris]

Also rip to that Spinda, got the chrome dome pattern

[silent acorn]

The zero zero rarest spinda

[gilded eagle]

outside of getting more dark types in the game i'm just here

[median iris]

I hope they have an alt sprite specifically for that one if they get in, that's great

[silent acorn]

I am sure I am gonna get attacked over the Need Creativity tier.

[stuck bane]

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage:
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)

Dark type is a good one to fight for

[silent acorn]

Please show by the most common porcentage

[dense perch]

You like word d'ont you ?

[prime dust]

eh could be worse

[stuck bane]

Actually these are notes on my phone, I’ve picked up a few along the way, like the spriter vote results and a few others like the abundance of dragon/ghost we have

[silent acorn]

I Betcha dragon has who knows what porcentage, I mean steel is probably still higher

[median iris]

Looking at the creativity tier, I agree with some of em, lol. Would be fun to see the afro fusions though, they could pop off

[stuck bane]

Ghost and dragon are most populated, only missing 7 and 8 lines respectively:

Missing ghost types:
Jellicent
Gourgeist
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

Missing dragon types:
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Guzzlord
Naganadel

[silent acorn]

Lemme see steel, is missing Melmetal, Excavalier, Excadrill, Solgaleo
Oh yeah kaguya and kartana

[grave jolt]

this person hates fairy types 😔

[prime dust]

most people do, as it ended The Tyranny of Dragons

[stuck bane]

Since when? I’m part of team girlboss Aromatisse and Florges are needed as fairy type heads

[median iris]

I wonder if that meloetta person is still around

[civic harness]

[silent acorn]

Not they exploded

[median iris]

Ope

[silent acorn]

Melosupre gooshed too much

[stuck bane]

Eh, left after achieving her pride and joy

[silent acorn]

@civic harness I saw the volcano explode

[hollow creek]

I agree pretty much 1:1 but buffolant should be in requires high creativity

[silent acorn]

I mean... Its in what do these do because... I dont know. Like it has some Use but like...

[median iris]

Would a meloetta bouffalant fusion make a good fusion? I'm thinking a funk or soul singer

[hollow creek]

Am I crazy cause I always thought buffolant was one of the cooler normal types in general idk, really fun for head fusions and the afro is cool in body fusions, make it water or smth

[dense perch]

Btw @median iris I think that beheeym doesn't deserve the lower tier, he bring the hole Martian theme so he is creative in some way

[stuck bane]

That’s fair, slapping an Afro on everything doesn’t require high creativity

Beheeyem: great special attack and good special defense, only pure psychic type (head and body) that naturally learns telepathy, also the only pure psychic type that gets analytic, can also bring unique looking alien fusions

[median iris]

Is deoxys already in? I don't remember

[civic harness]

I was looking to the "High creativity" tier

[hollow creek]

I really dont like that shade of brown on beheeyem

[median iris]

nice

oh, time for math 🥲

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-golisopod-emergency-exit-goodbye-chat-goodbye-gif-25042117

[silent acorn]

... Megaman crab
TOP THIS

[gilded eagle]

bye

[stuck bane]

…. Giga man crab?

[silent acorn]

PREPARE TO MEET GOD

[stuck bane]

Oh wait that’s actually sick

[gilded eagle]

that is death

[grave jolt]

Needs a second gun

[silent acorn]

Notice that for my love for Excavalier it's actually below Clawitzer

Combine armor plus watergun

[grave jolt]

oh god I just thought of something

[silent acorn]

I mean look at their shapes, they were meant to be fused

[stuck bane]

Yeah, doesn’t Clawitzer get the ball boosting ability? For like aura sphere and stuff?

That’s a fair reason for it

[silent acorn]

YEAP

Lemme see what the typying fusion is

[grave jolt]

Clawitzer fusion could make the Sans Miigunner skin

[stuck bane]

Joke alt def, but what would it be fused with?

[hollow creek]

Im surprised clawitzer got less votes than altaria the first time

[grave jolt]

Altaria is a not-quite-pseudo-legendary

[stuck bane]

Gen 3 bias is strong with many in this server

Also it’s a dragon so, pretty expected

[grave jolt]

it's a cool dragon that was a memerable part of its gen

https://tenor.com/view/altaria-pokemon-swablu-dragon-dance-dragon-gif-23805622

[hollow creek]

Im not saying it was a bad pick i like it, its just a surprising one when you look back

[silent acorn]

MEET GOD

[stuck bane]

I mean… Clawitzer definitely has mechanics, but idk if it’s design makes it a favorite to many

[silent acorn]

Megaman

Also armored body type

[stuck bane]

That’s actually pretty good, mixed, defensive, heal

Now you just need trick room setter

Water steel is also pretty good iirc

[silent acorn]

For doubles individually it can take care of biz

[hollow creek]

Thats the thing, hes like the most badass dude ever

[grave jolt]

Would have to be a Normal type; Maybe the Jigglypuff line?

[gilded eagle]

what dose clawitzer do?

[silent acorn]

Clawvalier is God.

[stuck bane]

I think it would have to be humanoid, bias tells me meloetta for the white skin but maybe something like marowak?

[silent acorn]

Mega launcher boost the power of ball, pulse moves

If it could use gyroball it would be deadly because it's also boosted

[stuck bane]

Ok, what steel types know gyro ball?

[gilded eagle]

that was not the question

[silent acorn]

Steelix

Lemme show ya that one

[stuck bane]

It’s a pretty easy fix, even if you have to lose the clawvalier design

[grave jolt]

I wanted to say the Duskull line since that has so many Sans references already, but this is the mii gunner costume of sans

[silent acorn]

except... Freaking Steelix body has ground type

[stuck bane]

Oh that’s true, yeah probably them then, Dusclops is the most humanoid out of the 3

[hazy fable]

duskull has the skull, dusclops is a mummy, dusknoir is a genie or just a guy with big mouth??

[silent acorn]

this is the good one

Somehow it's faster than Clawvalier so...

[stuck bane]

Your choices are magnezone, forretress, and ferrothorn

Naturally at least

[silent acorn]

Hmmm ferrothorn is still good due to grass but... Isn't ideal defensively

[stuck bane]

Ferro is steel body

[hollow creek]

I noticed a sentiment regarding carbink being good in IF OU, I can see it being one of the choice of tourney winners

[silent acorn]

HMMM CAN STILL WORK

[hollow creek]

I would honestly not mind making carbink sprites

[stuck bane]

Otherwise by ™, trash cloak wormadam learns it, as well as togedemaru, solgaleo, and stakataka

[civic harness]

Or Miigunner skins in general

[grave jolt]

Would love to have a MiiGunner ref in game

I proposed Jiggly since it was in both Smash and Pokemon

[stuck bane]

Ooooh I see

Yeah that’s a fair one too

[gilded eagle]

do we have any Devil May Cry ref in the game?

[placid pelican]

DONT LAUGH AT MANECTRIC

[hazy fable]

magnetric was the coolest dog in gen 3

[placid pelican]

manectric is the coolest dog

and me myself ill kill boltund

sin

sin of a pokemon

[hazy fable]

naur my dawgs

[unkempt kernel]

What is a Bolthund? I only know Yamper

https://tenor.com/view/happy-yamper-pokemon-happy-sword-and-shield-pokemon-sword-and-shield-gif-24269258

It does not evolve

[placid pelican]

true

[stuck bane]

Manectric is better than the non-canon one at least, I’ll give it that

[placid pelican]

yamper is the nicest guy

[silent acorn]

It's a bit late Vince, where you reading all the way up there?

[placid pelican]

what is this absolute dogshit of spread

[silent acorn]

I was about say that's decent...

[hazy fable]

its a dog

[silent acorn]

Guess not

[placid pelican]

i saw manectric slander

[hazy fable]

dogshit... dog...

i see what you did there

[silent acorn]

I mean it is... The shit of a dog

[placid pelican]

this is the shit

the good shit

[stuck bane]

Complete herdier shit

[silent acorn]

Ah mira no más. Which?

[placid pelican]

which what

kaboom.

[silent acorn]

what is this crap? years later? boltund

[hazy fable]

ok but fr, Mightyena for better werewolf sprites

[placid pelican]

mightyena is cool

ill say

okak 👍🏼

[silent acorn]

Lastima. We can't have it

[small tiger]

Lycanroc fills that role specifically

[stuck bane]

Brother we just got lycanroc midnight

[placid pelican]

sssssshhhhhh

[hazy fable]

Mightyena was strong at Gen 3 bcoz its the best counter to a Gardevoir

Nah Lycanroc Midnight looks like Sonic the werehog

[silent acorn]

I saw Pachuruso girl say we can't have megas for fusion, how truth is that?

[placid pelican]

it is true

but

dont trust pachirisu

[silent acorn]

I mean i like the thunder

In the mega

[placid pelican]

the thunder is cool

[hazy fable]

not the toothpaste squirel

[stuck bane]

Like, not the main sprite, but I think alt sprites can be mega

Are self fusions still mega like mawile?

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm if the alts can be the mega I will give it higher. I like dogs and the thunder is nice. That nasty helmet tho...

[placid pelican]

i have this card

[placid pelican]

ye but types dont change anymore

[silent acorn]

Genial

[stuck bane]

Oh right they did used to do that

[silent acorn]

I will say base manectric ability makes more sense than the mega

[stuck bane]

Also why does the card have random Japanese gameshow text over it

[silent acorn]

Why tho is manectric 20bst less than Boltund?

[placid pelican]

believe it or not but megas used to

[silent acorn]

Then again that's mostly for attack

[placid pelican]

boltund is mixed

[stuck bane]

Hmmm, interesting

[stuck bane]

Power creep

[unkempt kernel]

The Japanese card has English text there

[placid pelican]

nah boltund has shitty stats like every mixed mon

[silent acorn]

Some mixed are kinda nice not all of them

[placid pelican]

thats one great way to fuck up a pokemon that already dont have any other good stat

[placid pelican]

yeah but they are mostly bad

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/yamper-pokemon-sad-gif-27071541

[placid pelican]

i think its a 4th gen trend to make mixed pokemon

[stuck bane]

Jirachi has all equal stats, like mew

[silent acorn]

See i think one offensive stat is good mixed isn't good when the opponent has both defenses high

[unkempt kernel]

Puppers (wish he could be in IF as my joint favourite mon)

[silent acorn]

Mixed has some purposes but quite frankly nowadays I like having tanks

[terse fable]

that why he sad dog today

[stuck bane]

Pick these dogs instead:

Stoutland: all 3 are distinct enough to count as their own fusions, no wasted slots, it’s the only normal type with sand rush, with good attack, defense, and special defense, and fully evolves at level 32 (can be obtained directly after Surge on hard mode with level caps)

[silent acorn]

now this makes me wanna give it a 2

[stuck bane]

Kid named mudslap:

[terse fable]

I gave it a 2

[silent acorn]

Don't forget an actually good bst of 500 something

[stuck bane]

Yeah but there are higher BSTs and it’s not really a unique reason

[silent acorn]

Listen man as long as it doesn't have weirdo helmet I can get behind it

[silent acorn]

Its a good feature of stoutlant, that and stoutlant is just a big trooper

God why this helmet...

I hate that thing so bad

[small tiger]

nah tsarenna has more variety with its 1st and 3rd evos

[stuck bane]

Btw, off topic, but can we talk about how it’s slander they called rockruff the loyal dog in the reveal announcement? It’s only Pokédex entries talk about rejecting its trainer. Stoutland line is the loyal ones

[silent acorn]

I wish it was more like a Mohawk that ran down the spine

[placid pelican]

infernape kingdra lucario abomasnow froslass honchkrow altaria arcanine blaziken spiritomb tangrowth weezing cacturne camerup carnivine and many others

[placid pelican]

is not a fucking helmet

[silent acorn]

I know but I loathe the shape

[placid pelican]

dude i dont get what yall see there is clearly not a helmet

two ears and hair

[silent acorn]

It's because it's too geometrical perfect like a triangular cone

Like if it was lower than the ears I'd like it

[stuck bane]

Gen 2, Gen 3, Gen 1, Gen 3, Gen 1, Gen 3, Gen 3

[placid pelican]

which makes sense since its electric

it has parabolic charge

[silent acorn]

I mean fair but then

[stuck bane]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-pinhead-gif-23887477

[placid pelican]

no thanks i prefer it that way i dont want boltund two i like weird shit more than plain boring designs

[silent acorn]

rods have these spikes

[placid pelican]

i think it just has spiked hear coz of the charge

and thats it

[stuck bane]

When hair spikes, it goes all around, not up to a single point

Manectric was just done dirty

[silent acorn]

See that I like

[stuck bane]

Ye that’s ok, cause it spikes at multiple points, Pokémon art style can’t capture the feeling of irl electrified hair anyways

But the head still has no excuse

[silent acorn]

It's this weird hybrid of coat, cloak, hat, position that just screams: "LET'S MAKE IT A TRIANGLE NOBODY WILL NOTICE THE HAIR IS NOT GOING DOWN BECAUSE ELECTRICITY"

[stuck bane]

It’s like castform. Even if the head is 3 spikes, you know you could’ve spread em out a bit more

[silent acorn]

And then after they made luxray as if saying "Oh yeah the hair always on end was a phase"

[stuck bane]

Luxray is in right?

[silent acorn]

Yep and it looks fine

[brisk vessel]

Yea

[silent acorn]

I dont hate manectric i just... Have a love hate relationship with it

On one hand i love it is an electric dog how rad is that, but then on the other... Well

[stuck bane]

Manectric is a fine Pokémon, but it could’ve had a way cooler design. Maybe fusion will fix that, idk

[silent acorn]

100% a fusion could do more with the hair

I'd vote for it in the offchancs it wins but if it does I am only playing alts, I hate that hair

[stuck bane]

Like, even if the hair ends were spread out a bit more, and had an arc upwards, it would be so much better

[silent acorn]

actually vegeta. swaying on the back, like this. not being just like a sticked traffic cone is nice.

[placid pelican]

nah

sorry

but the """cone""" gives it personality

its just not the same without the mane

[stuck bane]

And other Gen 3 delusions to tell yourself

[placid pelican]

sure bud

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-dragon-ball-z-vegeta-flying-db-gif-13913745373632673983

Ah how nice

[stuck bane]

But hound is right, the hair going back when running would do it so many favors

Cause, it’s supposed to be fast

[silent acorn]

That's why the mega looks how it does

[stuck bane]

Because they had to go back and fix it and do it justice

[silent acorn]

Like its hair for crying outloud it has to sway even a little bit

ah so aesthethically pleasing

If you hate dog ears I dunno what to tell you that's what Manectric feels like to me

[stuck bane]

Yeah like this, if the ears were taller than the hair it’d be fine

[silent acorn]

I like to see them dog ears

By the way this serves as manectric propaganda, if people can be delusional with their cones I can with the vegeta hair

[grave jolt]

If I liked Manetric I'd like Manetric

[silent acorn]

ah yes I can feel it. the saiyan power

[high haven]

Manectric + Infernape = any Super Saiyan

[stuck bane]

And the cone could work, if it was like a spear it used as a lightning rod or stabbed opponents with

[stuck bane]

3?

[silent acorn]

Multiple spikes sharp spikes curvy spikes, oh my spike

[high haven]

I mean up to a curtain point. They can be different colours

[silent acorn]

now this is realistic, this is pleasing

[stuck bane]

Ok then ye that’s fair, we just finished a convo of how manectric hair doesn’t go back

[hollow creek]

Manetric is one of those pokemon I think are kind of ugly but would make pretty cool fusions

[terse fable]

Electrike is fire tho

[stuck bane]

Like, it has stuff, I think somebody said it has parabolic charge

Yeah I really like Electrike but not manectric

[high haven]

I'm currently working on polishing my Seviper/Eelectross fusion. I really like how it looked so I want to make it look cleaner

[stuck bane]

As a guy who was mentioned in the Eelektross PowerPoint, gl

[silent acorn]

sonic.... hey we could have super sonic... that'd be neat

[silent acorn]

It's fine I just don't like the barber it went to

[high haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[silent acorn]

Forcing myself to see the positive so I don't regret anything

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-tail-chasing-chasing-tail-gif-7615023

[hollow creek]

Actually no im not going to pretend I like manetric
but the fusion potential is still there

[hollow creek]

The mega is cool though

[stuck bane]

Think about how loved manectric would be if it were the middle stage and the mega were the final evo

[silent acorn]

yes.... yes yesssssss

[silent acorn]

If it gets in that's what I am sticking to

[hollow creek]

I doubt manetric has a chance of getting a single pick from the event winners

[silent acorn]

Well crap can't see sprites

[hollow creek]

MAYBE gets picked from a spriter event winner

[high haven]

Ah, interesting

[steel meadow]

I cant see alot of spriters likiing Manetric if im being honesy

[silent acorn]

This is the only thing

[steel meadow]

That body must be a acquired taste or something

[silent acorn]

It's cool for what it is

[hollow creek]

If I manage to win Elusive pokedex or the dex entry contest im telling you now im picking turtonator

[stuck bane]

There’s always hope, it’s how we got Melo

Besides wingull is already 1/11 shot, it’s not impossible for someone like Dragalge to be a manectric super fan

[silent acorn]

Until it was the one not being discussed nor criticized it didn't get any attention

[stuck bane]

Yeah turtonator has potential, it has one crazy trap move or something as well as a few others

[silent acorn]

Help me out here courage I trust you

[stuck bane]

Ye?

[silent acorn]

What do you think manectric deserves

Not a 3

But what do you think

[hollow creek]

Its like counter but a 150 point special fire attack

[clear lichen]

I'll be honest I think Turtonator would be cool but almost definitely not for in battle usefulness

[stuck bane]

…. My mind is telling me 1. It’s not bottom of the barrel, but there’s better ones

[silent acorn]

Alright got it

[terse fable]

gave Turtonator a 3, they cool

[silent acorn]

I gave it a one from the start lol

[clear lichen]

Shell Trap is cool but only working on physical moves makes it kinda suck

[hollow creek]

turty is 110% a spriting potential pick and not for competitive, althought he'd be good ingame

[silent acorn]

Why I am even reconsidering that one

[clear lichen]

Yeah definitely mainly for spriting

[clear lichen]

AI would almost certainly not be smart enough to not use physical moves against it though

[silent acorn]

thank your for deer

[clear lichen]

But using it over a more consistent move doesn't seem like a great idea

[ashen cloud]

dude why would relicanth lowkey cook 😳

[stuck bane]

AHA! I did do some research on turtonator before

turtonator surprisingly has alot going for it: only fire type to naturally get shell armor, only dragon type to get shell armor, and brings the unique move shell trap into the game, which with the right fusion could go crazy

[silent acorn]

Not gonna lie the Sawsbuck/Pachirisu was cute

[clear lichen]

Because Relicanth is the GOAT

[silent acorn]

.. Now that's a weird take

[hollow creek]

I think hes the only dragon or fire type to have shell smash

[clear lichen]

(Very real)

[ashen cloud]

he really is though

[grave jolt]

I thought it was a fish

[high haven]

I didn't bother giving it points, it's just not for me

[ashen cloud]

relicanth is getting 3 from me

[clear lichen]

Ah right it has shell smash

Yeah that helps its case

[hollow creek]

I also gave relicanth 3

[silent acorn]

I respect that Gage, I just like to believe it deserves a bone

[clear lichen]

Anything with Shell Smash is useful as fusion fodder

[ashen cloud]

mega based

[terse fable]

relicanth got a 2 from me i think

[clear lichen]

And it is also cool

[stuck bane]

I think torkoal takes fire and some other reason I didn’t put dragon there, I trust the research past me did

[grave jolt]

Relicanth would be a good generic prehistoric mon

[silent acorn]

I dont like it either atleast not the regular one

[hollow creek]

Pretty much all of the fish pokemon have awesome head fusion potential but lack for body potential. Relicanth has an awesome rock mask you can make into a lot of stuff

[ashen cloud]

i love prehistoric mons

[silent acorn]

Camo pokemon

[ashen cloud]

give me them all

[clear lichen]

I'm not sure if I should vote 2 or 3 for Relicanth

It's in a similar spot as Cryogonal

[ashen cloud]

tyrunt was my favorite addition

[stuck bane]

I like him, 2 at least

[silent acorn]

What relicanth?

[hollow creek]

Relicanth is 200% a spriter pick though lol

[grave jolt]

3 for Relicanth

[high haven]

He's a little bastard and I love him

[silent acorn]

I have questions about that one

[clear lichen]

Also, my dumb ass almost typed Cryogen, so now I want Cryogonal to be added and for its self fusion to be Cryogen from Terraria Calamity Mod

[ashen cloud]

god i love him so much

[stuck bane]

Would Relicanth really be that good for sprites?

[silent acorn]

Hmmm body wise? No

[hollow creek]

YES!

[silent acorn]

Headwise maybe

[stuck bane]

It seems bland, but idk

[grave jolt]

It'd be a good mon for alt sprites

[hot hamlet]

Has a map motif you could make into stuff

[silent acorn]

Look I like jojo but the only reference would like part 1

[hollow creek]

The rock mask and patterning and other fish aspects, yeah a lot of people can make crazy good stuff with that

[hot hamlet]

Body would be hard as it would probably be Fish #243

[stuck bane]

I mean, I like the old fish, just doesn’t seem like great sprite potential

[clear lichen]

Idk, he's called the ultimate lifeform

[stuck bane]

I’ll take the spriters word for it then

[clear lichen]

Someone's definitely turning him into Kars for an alt sprite

[silent acorn]

... Thats part 2

[clear lichen]

Exactly so it's a part 2 reference

[silent acorn]

And like Relicanth doesn't have a form change lol

[clear lichen]

And not a part 1 reference

[grave jolt]

It's an armored fish, I'm sure some people could think of sprites.

[hollow creek]

Really any pokemon with armor would be amazing for sprites

[silent acorn]

No... Because part 2 is like putting it on, taking it off and become ultimate form more like sylvally

[hot hamlet]

Sprites like that are great for head, but body I’m skeptical on

[ashen cloud]

is anyone on the jellicent train w me

[stuck bane]

Me

1s

[grave jolt]

We need more head pokemon anyway

[silent acorn]

What is that?

[stuck bane]

Jellicent: 100%’s all the ghost types from unova, and is a team rocket Mon, only ghost type with access to water absorb, and only water type with access to cursed body, also is the only ghost type with access to damp (prevent scrappy explosions, prevent damage from aftermath, etc.), with good hp and special defense, the only ghost type body that learns absorb, and the only fully evolved water type head that learns absorb, and the only ghost type body with access to bubble, and the only water type head with access to night shade, and is the only ghost type with access to water sport, and is the only ghost type with access to water spout, and is also the only ghost type with access to wring out (excluding Dawn wings necrozma which might never be in this game), and the only ghost type to learn brine, and the only ghost type with access to bubble beam

[silent acorn]

[grave jolt]

the jellyfish pokemon

[clear lichen]

What are you even trying to say here

[terse fable]

Yea I'm surprised a lot of people like Relicanth for the game, think I gave it a 2 or 1

[clear lichen]

Jellicent would be pretty cool

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/jellicent-pokemon-jellicent-psychic-hex-jellicent-uses-psychic-gif-9486652199275710551

[silent acorn]

Did ya think a unova stand wouldn't know hahahaha

[clear lichen]

I dont think it'd be a popular pick for those who mainly care about the sprites though

[silent acorn]

Pringlefish

[hollow creek]

Not crazy about the design but the male and female version are so different, its the same thing with gastrodon I like with the same fusion have 2 different interpretations

[terse fable]

Jellicent fireee

[hot hamlet]

How many Jellicent would just be Monipoly Man or Pringle Guy?

[clear lichen]

I'd imagine the main things it provides are the many tools it has in competitive

[stuck bane]

Hold on I saw a cool frillish earlier

[silent acorn]

I mean that's enough content for some. We can make escanor with Machamp

Actually

[grave jolt]

It's easy to forget most unova pokemon existed

[grave jolt]

Escanor has to be fire type though

[silent acorn]

Yeah... Nah I failed

[stuck bane]

Somebody made this, for the contest I think

[grave jolt]

absolutely comical

[silent acorn]

closest I got is this

[silent acorn]

I'd like the jellicent one as a Count Chocula ref

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-the-count-the-count-sesame-street-laughing-laugh-gif-15452219526891068818

PERFECTION

ACTUALLY

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/frillish-pokemon-frillish-hex-frillish-uses-hex-snivy-gif-21972909631619896

[silent acorn]

the potential tho

[hot hamlet]

He looks balding

[silent acorn]

The little is definitely freaky

[stuck bane]

Another good reason, Mr. Cent

[silent acorn]

:0

[stuck bane]

And he looks like he’d know money too

[sweet horizon]

9 head

[silent acorn]

"Gon pay back those 20 cents ole bucko?"

[grave jolt]

Average British Monarch

[hot hamlet]

Mr. Cent 50 Cent alt when?

[stuck bane]

“You want me to starve, don’t you?”

[silent acorn]

"Hurry up with that payday, these hands tire waiting for my hundred cent"

[stuck bane]

Ah, that was funny, but yeah jellicent is def S tier now

[silent acorn]

It is now hahaha

[grave jolt]

Up to D- tier

[hot hamlet]

I think I made it a 2 personally. Which means “okay with it winning, but not what I want”

[stuck bane]

If it means one more point I’ll take it

[silent acorn]

"Hurry up bucko, I need that crescent for my cents"

Lemme make Mr cent build

[hot hamlet]

Swap Behetem with Yungoos. Also imagine we get Heatmor, but not Dirant. Those poor anteaters would starve!

[stuck bane]

I had a yungoos that served me well in a nuzlocke, but idk if Gumshoos would break any political rules

[grave jolt]

something something trump
tbh those fusions can just be rejected like they do with Goodra

[stuck bane]

Fair point

[marsh gull]

Carnivine too low, Spinda too high

[silent acorn]

don't mess with Mr. cent or he'll drain you dry

[stuck bane]

Yeah why is spinda so high? It has contrary, and there was a “nah, I’d spin” meme going around, but it doesn’t have much beyond

[silent acorn]

I mean contrary is good

[placid pelican]

no unless

[silent acorn]

Make case for Carnivine because I am afraid it's not much better on my end

[placid pelican]

unless u mention the man

[stuck bane]

Carnivine best case is dp anime references

[marsh gull]

I'd only move it to "Some Use" but there's potential for fun swamp monsters and some incredibly creepy combos that would be fun

[stuck bane]

But… victrebel already

[hot hamlet]

I repeat. Imagine we only get one of the mons with rivals to them. Like heatmor/Durant, seviper/zangoose, or carracosta/shellmet

[marsh gull]

Spinda should just be at the bottom imo it's just not interesting, I don't see the vision

[stuck bane]

Bro I have so many, accelgor/escavalier, carracosta/archeops, etc

[silent acorn]

Lemme run some calculations

[hollow creek]

You can make some really cool head fusions with it

[stuck bane]

This is true

[terse fable]

I do like the idea of Spinda fusions making a whole bunch of silly dizzy bois

[hollow creek]

and body fusions too, you can make pokemon into flytraps, specifically the venus (cooler one lets be real)

[grave jolt]

Carracostas' rival is Archeops

[marsh gull]

I support Pachirisu though, I've been convinced through a fan game with a great Pachirisu regional form

[hot hamlet]

Apologies I forget the shellmet other half prevo

[twin phoenix]

Masquerain patterns on clothing would be so nice to see.

[hot hamlet]

Excavalier’s prevo

[twin phoenix]

Karrablast.

[hot hamlet]

As clothes yes. As a mon, idk

[stuck bane]

Pachi is prob my biggest want after Emolga, other pika clones are nice but Pachirisu in the anime had huge staying power

[civic harness]

I will change youre opinion about Crabomimable some day

[stuck bane]

Speaking Crabominable, 1s @civic harness

[grave jolt]

I dislike Crabrawler

[stuck bane]

Crabominable is necessary to push contrary meta to absolute limit, to the dismay of many

Pushing the contrary meta to the absolute limit

Spinda: only normal type with contrary
Malamar: only psychic/dark with contrary
Lurantis: highest attack with contrary
Serperior: highest speed/defenses + contrary

Magearna: access to fleur cannon
Victini: access to v-create
Crabominable: access to ice hammer
Kommo-o: access to clanging scales
Hoopa: access to hyperspace fury

Oh crap kommo-o is there too

[civic harness]

Well... 50/50?

[silent acorn]

Alright done

[civic harness]

Weird, usually people dislike Crabominable

[twin phoenix]

Drew the reverse for fun.

[civic harness]

Suprising

[stuck bane]

I know, we researched a lot of stuff to make an informed decision on the next vote

[silent acorn]

Alright here is the hard Data of the reason is up there. This is some data. So the photo with the calculator is the Kilobite file times the amount of spinda sprites, you then you get the total Kilobite file size put it in a converter and you get the last photo

[marsh gull]

Ok...so....is the plan to break the game? 😂 Or is it just for the number of sprites that would be generated??

[stuck bane]

I promise you spinda isn’t taking like 2m+ slots or whatever it is for its patterns

[silent acorn]

Is that... Is that... A Masquerain Froslass?

[marsh gull]

Like they'll just choose one Spinda pattern

I have to imagine

[silent acorn]

No it has to be faithful

[stuck bane]

Nah, I thought it would be spriters choice on what pattern is used

[silent acorn]

... 2... It gets two

[marsh gull]

^That makes more sense

[stuck bane]

How would you make that work with sprites that are unpredictable?

[grave jolt]

Gamefreak kinda gave up on the whole thing immediatly

[silent acorn]

I LOVE THIS SO MUCH I HAVE FAITH IN IT

[twin phoenix]

I believe~

[silent acorn]

Someone makes something froslass or humanoid related I approv

This list admits proof on the contrary

[twin phoenix]

I'll try one with a Lumineon pattern later.

[silent acorn]

I think I'll save this list as my general voting criteria honestly

[molten latch]

Putting Furfrou on Legends ZA is a hype.

[silent acorn]

It's feature list is very extensive :V

[molten latch]

Indeed

For a Poodle to win perhaps

[silent acorn]

The ones up there are ones that no matter what you do will turn out great

[molten latch]

Would be funny if the fur of Furfrou looks like other pokemon

Like example Tyranitar

Or Slowbro

[silent acorn]

That'd be hype

Lemme make a build

[humble lance]

finally finished this dumb custom base for salazzle

[silent acorn]

hehehe

The usually useless Dusknoir now turned deadly punisher