pif-hoenn-discussion

[fair atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-angry-spheal-sad-gif-24173669

NOW LOOK You've made Spheal sad!

[mild sedge]

jack of all trades over here

[fathom ridge]

I wish there was a team vikavolt

[stuck bane]

Spheal is fine, but much to your dismay I don’t believe spheal is the second coming of Christ

[rugged temple]

If people can gen 50 fusions for bruxish in a month or so, Claydol has nothing to fear

[fair atlas]

I didn't call him Betty White, god.

[prime dust]

bruxish only issue was the gratuitous amount of color

[terse fable]

Pretty sure that had a rush tho, which isn't happening this time as far as I know

[fathom ridge]

Claydol would be hype ngl is very unique for heads and bodies

[rugged temple]

I think the rush brought it to over 100

[terse fable]

Again, I like claydol lol

[grave jolt]

no team pachirisu...

[molten loom]

I still think Vivillon would be good for fuses

[stuck bane]

I think having a new Mon announced itself can bring a huge wave of sprites, I don’t think sableye got one and it got a huge amount of sprites on the first month

[prime dust]

most people want to either wait on the pika clones, or have them all join at once

[mild sedge]

considering some of the fusions I’ve seen you post, claydol has a lotta potential

[rugged temple]

Also isn't it the only ground type with levitate?

[stuck bane]

Emolga needs my support more, yours is literally a world champ and has plenty of propaganda

[terse fable]

But just not sure of spriter accessibility for it compared to other mons we don't have yet

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pachirisu-attack-dp158-gif-25201112

[prime dust]

i think most single stage options are being given low scores with this vote because we aren't getting a lot of lines

[terse fable]

I still think Slurpuff is one of the best mons for adding a whole new type of sprites missing in game besides some rare stuff, which is food mons!

[rugged temple]

Nah, its got a whole lot of easy spriting design concepts that are simple to think up

[grave jolt]

I'd be estatic if we got all the clones in a single slot

[stuck bane]

So you’re saying bigger lines have a better chance?

||monkeys ||

[rugged temple]

I can name at leasy 5 ideas to start with

[feral bear]

Slurpuff and her sister aromatisse will persever

[terse fable]

for which mon?

[rugged temple]

[stuck bane]

I’ve come around on Slurpuff and Aromatisse since it’s one of the few fairy type heads

[fathom ridge]

Uhh vikavolt is three very unique mons soooo

[prime dust]

the monkeys are the meme pick, everyone doesn't want them

[rugged temple]

Claydol.
Ferrothorn Claydol
Probopass Claydol
Darkrai Claydol
Chandelure Claydol
Cacturne Claydol

[fair atlas]

....Might wanna give some visual representation here

[rugged temple]

And that's not including the already posted art ideas

[mild sedge]

I can see it and if I could give claydol a 4 I probably would
(along with eelektross and some others, of course.)

[terse fable]

Ahh, again some ideas are easier than others, and even if you have inspiration that doesn't account for all spriters, who I feel most would look at Claydol and be like... Uh I'll add some eyes i guess?

[rugged temple]

Here's some designs already made by spriters

[stuck bane]

I believe, if xenophalicus almost picked wurmple ahead of Melo then it’s completely possible for someone to pull the meme and pick monkeys, especially since staff have been leaning into it (inb4 it’s a vote and not a raffle because frog hates those now)

[fathom ridge]

Hey just some vikavolt propaganda too bc I remembered I have to regularly post it

[rugged temple]

OOO I like that vikavolt malamar

[mild sedge]

A reminder to watch the slideshow (if you wanna)

[rugged temple]

It really wouldn't take much to spice up the Claydol fusion designs

Sombreros, sunhats, plates, UFOs, etc all could work for the head

Hell a magnezone/Claydol could have the magnezone body as the head, a big round metal ball as the body, and a Magnemite as each hand

And if all else fails, people can read the channel literally dedicated towards fusion requests and ideas

[terse fable]

That's good and creative, but that would require most of the spriters to be on that same mindset, and I've found most of the time unless the idea or inspiration is obvious that a spriter won't take a request and that's the issue I'm having with Claydol, love the idea, love the sprites so far, love the idea of sprites made for it in the future, don't love how maybe 2-3 spriters only will do anything for it lol

[rugged temple]

That's shrimply not the case

Just look at dhelmise. Weird body, but the anchor shape lent towards a lot of designs. People will be creative, have hope

[terse fable]

I would hope not, I'm just speaking from my own perspective of it though lol, I've seen enough things in Sprite Requests go dead in the water for mons that aren't the easiest to sprite for

[rugged temple]

Everything on the list has potential, and it just needs creativity from spriters

Thats just the nature of requests. We do this for free

[terse fable]

Regardless I like claydol and would love them getting in, that's just my thoughts on how I feel the general spriter would approach it, and that's a big thing to think about I feel

[terse fable]

Well obviously, but again if a mon is easier to sprite for it has a higher chance of having accepted requests, hence my point lol

[civic harness]

I agree but there are some pokemon that are way better like spriting material

[rugged temple]

All the choices are equal but some are more equal than others

[civic harness]

Anyways

Still remember

Think about potential

[terse fable]

yepp, that's why Slurpuff is one of my tops rn

[stuck bane]

Why think about potential when they all have it? Name one Mon on that list that doesn’t have potential

(Besides luvdisc)

[civic harness]

KAJAJJAJAJA

[rugged temple]

Alomola

[terse fable]

They all have potential, but again some are easier to approach spriting-wise than others, which I think is a fair point to make

[rugged temple]

My man I'm about to use that same argument on minior, and then I'll go ahead and check for how many customs are already made. Your opinion is valid but you're being a giant bummer

[stuck bane]

I suppose that’s true, but I’ve seen the opposite. Some designs are so simple people want nothing to do with them, like monkeys (alas), in my experience spriters want something that they can push the creative limits with

[rugged temple]

I also encourage you to learn spriting and join in. Be the change you want to see

[stuck bane]

Nah I don’t have those skills, I’ll give mechanical info that mons have but that’s the extent of what I can do

[terse fable]

Minior has a star theme, you can be creative with that as well, not the best mon for your point lol and I'm not being a bummer? I'm being realistic, I've already said dozens of times I like claydol lol

I can like a mon but still see the points made against it, hence the onces I've been making

[stuck bane]

That’s also a fair point, I can advocate for all the unova rejects I want I know damn well nobody else is gonna give them any chances even if they do make it in by special vote

[terse fable]

Like man I love Drampa and thinkit would be cool for old man pokemon, but I can see plenty of points against it lol, still want it tho

[stuck bane]

Drampa has some stuff, doesn’t it have an ability/unique move or something?

[terse fable]

Yee i believe so, I just want a bunch of mons with beards n canes or wheelchairs or something 😂

[stuck bane]

Ooooh I remember now, Drampa can be fused with Granbull to make granpa

[terse fable]

perfect lolll

[stuck bane]

So that’s a funny way to lean into it, Granbull also has the old foldy skin in some sprites as well

Perfect for an NPC you encounter or something

[rugged temple]

#NoMoreDragons

[prime dust]

#AllTheDergins

[terse fable]

That's the fairest point against Drampa lol, we do have a lot of Dragons, that's why I'm more leaned towards Slurpuff and honestly prob Zangoose/Seviper

[stuck bane]

#ithinkweonlyhavesomanydragonsleftlike10orsomethingsoyoudecideifthatsgoodorbad

[rugged temple]

If i see another dragon in polls I'm raising all my next votes to maximize the chances of every fairy

[stuck bane]

Hol up lemme find it

[rugged temple]

#NoMoreDragonPsuedos

[bronze barn]

we have almost every one though

if we get kommo-o

you'll hear no more about them

[rugged temple]

Then we'll have another dragon after that, just not a psuedo

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

[stuck bane]

Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Guzzlord
Naganadel

8 lines left and we have every single dragon type in the game.

[stoic juniper]

Kommo-o is even more of a pain in the ass to sprite than Claydol, I can verify

[bronze barn]

NAGANADEL IS A DRAGON RIGHT

I am cooked

I AM COOKED CHAT

[stuck bane]

If we get kommo-o, you’ll hear no more about PSEUDOS, there’s still like 7 other dragons

[bronze barn]

guys

let's not vote kommo-o

and wait for naganadel

I need poipole

I NEED POIPOLE

https://tenor.com/view/poipole-pokemon-ultra-beast-pokemon-poipole-giggle-gif-7609238276340786947

[stuck bane]

Good luck, kommo would have made it last time but was vetoed because too many dragons, it has a real shot at winning despite what we try to do

[rugged temple]

Thank god well never get eternatus

[bronze barn]

we need my boy poipole

[bronze barn]

oh yeah

[terse fable]

It's kinda like Golisopod, really cool mon, love the sprites I've seen so far, but not the easiest to work with I'm sure

[bronze barn]

yeahhh

that's why I kinda want ribombee/vikavolt more

they're easier

[rugged temple]

Most golisopod fusion details are the armored butd

[sleek hornet]

I just want florges and aromatisse to get in, Ik they’re hard but they’re so cool to me.

[rugged temple]

Combee represent!

[bronze barn]

can't forget araquanid

araquanid is underrated

[eternal timber]

Drampa does have a potentially fun ability tho

[stuck bane]

Not bad, we need more fairy heads and pure fairy types are the only place to find them

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

[eternal timber]

And comfey has triage which could be fun

[sleek hornet]

We should have a balanced variety of types.

[bronze barn]

water bubble bouta bubble everything

[terse fable]

Honestly why I'm fine with Spheal line, it's a little "normie" of a pick lol but it's 3 mons, each diferent enough between for different sprites and also not as difficult towork with compared to other picks

[stuck bane]

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage

29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)

[eternal timber]

The problem with the fairies is fusion types

For heads

[stuck bane]

I’m more adverse to spheal because we already have so many water types, but I wouldn’t hate the ball fusions it brings despite that

[bronze barn]

#votemienshao

[eternal timber]

We have a lot of secondary type fairies

[bronze barn]

[sleek hornet]

Not a lot of singles though :/

[terse fable]

That's a fair point

[stuck bane]

Yes that’s why we need more pure fairies to serve as heads

[stuck bane]

Gimmie 1s

[eternal timber]

No thats what i meant. Secondary type fairy means the fairy isnt on head fusions

[stuck bane]

Mienshao: adds more fighting types, great attack, and good special attack and speed, and the only fighting type with access to regenerator, also can bring shaolin martial arts references to differentiate from Sawk and Throh, and is the only pure fighting type to learn aura sphere (it lends itself to being a good special attacker too), and also the only pure fighting type to learn bounce naturally, and the only pure fighting type to learn calm mind, and the only pure fighting type with access to double slap, and the only non-legendary fighting type with access to drain punch naturally

[bronze barn]

we have like

1 primary

[terse fable]

Slurpuff line's the move I'm tellin ya lol

[sleek hornet]

Ah right mb

[eternal timber]

We have sylveon and idk what else

Sylveon is admittedly amazing aesthetically for heads. But variety is important

[bronze barn]

[bronze barn]

togekiss

granbull

clefairy

[stuck bane]

Behold, all the fairy type heads in infinite fusion:

Clefable
Sylveon
Togekiss
Granbull

[analog stag]

Slurpuff got a 3 for me

[terse fable]

There's a lot of amazing picks tho, there's not a wrong answer at all, besides arguably monkeys and luvdisc but hey someone will love them loll

[bronze barn]

ok but

[eternal timber]

Only half of those fairies have fun palletes

[bronze barn]

granbull

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gastrodon-pokemon-amie-gif-27484311

[twin phoenix]

Wigglytuff?

[sweet horizon]

Is wigglytuff fairy type or no

[proud lion]

I voted 3 for da monkies

[bronze barn]

wigglytuff is normal/fairy

[sleek hornet]

Who doesn’t want doggy?

[terse fable]

Like these guys are nicee

[stuck bane]

Body, it’s just normal

[bronze barn]

wurmple.

let me see the

[fathom ridge]

Do you want to see a doggy?

[bronze barn]

silcoon and cascoon spriters

[sleek hornet]

I love gastronot. So cute

[eternal timber]

So yeah, comfey is good for aesthetic, fairy heads, and triage

[sleek hornet]

Yesh

[bronze barn]

do you want to see a lot of doggies

[sweet horizon]

Oh 😔 sad

[bronze barn]

me when basically

all I do

is dogs

[fathom ridge]

Is my vikavolt propaganda doggie

[analog stag]

Slurpuff is great for fusion designs. Treats and sweets.

[stuck bane]

Wurmple takes up 5, not as bad as burmy, but cascoon/silcoon could have the same problem as dusk Lycanroc

[twin phoenix]

For Fairy type, my top pick is Florges.

[eternal timber]

Furfrou wouldn’t be a bad addition either

[stuck bane]

So we might have to end up axing one

[sleek hornet]

Noice, me like ze doggy :3

[bronze barn]

[eternal timber]

Gotta be honest, i dont understand flower veil

[sleek hornet]

Same along with aromatisse

[eternal timber]

And symbiosis didn’t seem that great

[sweet horizon]

Might be my new main for fusions if added but Idk (my current main is wiggly as you can tell by my display name)

[twin phoenix]

Aromatisse I gave a 2 because imo it's an underdog and I like it.

[sleek hornet]

Yeaaaah

[bronze barn]

honestly for me

nothing can swap

good ol' rockruff fusions

[eternal timber]

I havent looked at all the unique ability possibilities

[bronze barn]

and even the ones that are close

AREN'T EVEN IN THE VOTE

[terse fable]

This, there's a lot of mons that add really cool fusions, but slurpuff adds a whole new niche of mon ideas to work with which is food related mons, a lot like how mimikyu added the niche of fake mons and porygon adds glitch mons

[analog stag]

Really not sure why Slurpuff and Aromatisse aren’t together. They’re counterparts like Zangoose and Seviper

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/poipole-pokemon-pokemon-species-cute-crying-gif-17234108

[sleek hornet]

I just wanna see florges foliage mixed with Lycanroc

[bronze barn]

POIPOLE AND ROWLET

[stuck bane]

Aromatisse only gets a 3 because I’m a part of team girlboss, otherwise, it would still receive a 3 since we have so few pure fairies

[bronze barn]

slurpuff would be awesome

[eternal timber]

That’s less weird than shelmet and karrablast being separated and heatmor amd durant

[fathom ridge]

Woofa the doggie was from when you said to do rockruff bodie do you remember?

[stuck bane]

Escavalier/accelgor would like a word since they literally need eachother to evolve, idk how they weren’t put together

[bronze barn]

yeah

maybe I should make the body vikavolt fusion

[sleek hornet]

Yeah it also recieved a 3 from me, for almost the same reason lol. Except I want plague doctor fusions xd.

[rugged temple]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-draft-conkeldurr-conk-fighting-gif-4531051215651118401

[bronze barn]

anyways I am going to sleep

[stuck bane]

Gn

[sleek hornet]

Gn

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh any vikavolt fusion is good for my propaganda

[sleek hornet]

I also Love vikavolt

[eternal timber]

Sorry but vikavolt line isnt great for the ability discussion

Battery is ok but not interesting

[sleek hornet]

Vikavolt is just…sad

But the design is cool

[stuck bane]

Like, we need more bug types, but vikavolt isn’t my first when stuff like Gen 5/7 has so many good bugs

[prime dust]

abilities are nice but often most people want mons for the looks

[terse fable]

Zebstrika is honestly another solid pick, with the face n hair style, plus stripes there's quite a bit to work with

[fathom ridge]

May god spare us from what happens if conkeldur wins

[eternal timber]

I’m looking at Pokemon from multiple angles

[sleek hornet]

SO true lol

[stuck bane]

Zebra mentioned: zebra fusions, only way to get motor drive besides electivire/emolga (more fused stat options), only electric type that gets sap sipper, and good attack and speed, it also fully evolves at level 27 (can be obtained directly after Misty on hard mode with level caps), and is the only electric type with access to flame charge

[prime dust]

not saying you shouldn't, but most are going to go down the route of looks with abilities being a secondary

[sleek hornet]

Ooooo Electrosses levitate can be of use to some

[prime dust]

we want cool designs, if it has a banger ability that's a bonus

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

[prime dust]

if not...well at least it still looks awesome

[stuck bane]

And unlike rotom, Eelektross can be head and body

[twin phoenix]

I never played the game, so all of my picks are based on looks.

[eternal timber]

I’m currently looking at unique abilities to see what’s cool enough to bump them up 1 point

[fathom ridge]

Does vikavolt have levitate? I can’t remember

[eternal timber]

Yeah

[sleek hornet]

Yeah

It’s uses less

[eternal timber]

The unique ability is on the bus bug

[terse fable]

Electross is such a comp pick lol, and yet it would aslo make amazing fusions so honestly one of the safer 3's to dish out

[sleek hornet]

Yeppers

[fathom ridge]

The car battery alone deserves a 3

[stuck bane]

Maybe I’ll never understand it, but I’m still so fascinated that people look at infinite fusion and say “oh yeah, the art gallery” when I think of the game

[sleek hornet]

Eelektross is my favorite electric type ever. Idk it’s just so cute to me.

[eternal timber]

But yeah, im bumping up drampa to a 1 for berserk

[sleek hornet]

I say berserk is…aight

[fathom ridge]

I would love to play more but it is very slow on my computer

[eternal timber]

It’s interesting and could potentially be played with well

Assuming it can stack on itself

[stuck bane]

Eelektross: electric type with levitate guaranteed (it’s an electric type no matter if it’s a head or body fusion, unlike rotom), eel fusions, and good attack and special attack, also the only electric type to learn acid spray, and the only electric type able to learn bind naturally, and the only electric type to learn acid, and the only electric type to learn coil, and the only electric type to learn crush claw, and the only pure electric type with access to gastro acid, and also the only electric type able to learn headbutt naturally

Somebody also made a slideshow 1s

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

[sleek hornet]

Omg lol

[eternal timber]

Triage can give drain moves priority so thats why i like that

[stuck bane]

Oh hey I can send it from my phone, guess I can use that as propaganda too, also I didn’t make this exo did

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bers-gif-25504701

[clever vigil]

Thanks for the idea lol. Ima make a PowerPoint

[eternal timber]

Drampa also does have a nice palette imo

[sleek hornet]

That’s fire though. 😭

[clever vigil]

For Archen and Archeops

[eternal timber]

And comfey could be fun and floral

[sleek hornet]

Indeed, Oooo the body fusions would be intersting to see

What they’ll do with that single ummmm, spine????

[eternal timber]

So the ability checking is just so i think about the individual Pokemon more

[terse fable]

Drampa would be cool I just don't think people want more dragons, also think Tropius would be cool but I know people aren't big fans of them stat wise so chances aren't high for that either

[sleek hornet]

Yeah and the typing xd

[terse fable]

yeee

[eternal timber]

I haven’t looked at all the potential new abilities yet

But some are neat enough to mention

[stuck bane]

Wait I thought tropius had a following 1s

[sleek hornet]

And as for Archeops and Archean, I don’t think they should be added due to how OP they’ll be if that dumb ability is removed.

[stuck bane]

Yeah tropius made it pretty far in the spriter vote:

[eternal timber]

Counterpoint

Slaking

There’s no way they’re worse

[sleek hornet]

Crap, I forgor.

They’re 600+ bst (forgor the actual number)

[terse fable]

Ahh, well that's cool I figured they'd be a spriter fav lol just don't think the general IF player wants them tho

[stuck bane]

Statistically… yeah not much going for it, but I still like the design and would be happy to see it

[stoic juniper]

I wouldn’t be sad if Crustle won, not even a little bit

[eternal timber]

Archen line is nice aesthetically too

[sleek hornet]

Yeah they are

[grave jolt]

How fuckin powerful do you think rock/flying bird would be?

[eternal timber]

But we have so many optikns

[terse fable]

Crustle would be good, a lil creativity goes a long way with that mon

[sleek hornet]

Oh it’s just their vry vry high attack and pretty good speed but yeah that typing doesn’t help

[prime dust]

i mean just go ask Aerodactyl

[terse fable]

Like some fusions having bones in the crust

[stuck bane]

Lasagna bug: adds more bug types, gives access to rock wrecker for bug type fusions (normally only rhyperior has), and it’s different enough from pallosand and torterra since it’s fusions would be its shell home, also the only bug type that gets weak armor, and has great defense and good attack, also the only rock type body that can learn fury cutter, and the only bug type with access to feint attack naturally

[eternal timber]

Yup that’s archeops

[sleek hornet]

So OP (not as much as Slacking though )

[grave jolt]

New worst fusion to put with Aegislash

[sleek hornet]

It would look SO cool though. 😭

[eternal timber]

Imagine drampa and archeops

[stuck bane]

Wait I think someone made an aegiops, 1s

[eternal timber]

I think it would be funny to take an ability with the same trigger condition

[sleek hornet]

Oh goodness that would be something. XD

[grave jolt]

Drampa

[terse fable]

Also think Drapion is slept on, would get a lot of cool scorpion/stinger based fusions outside of beedrill

[eternal timber]

“Oh you thought half health would make my stats drop? Wrong!!”

[stuck bane]

Can’t find it, but it was archeops body, aegislash head, head was covered in full helmet, and had a sword in one wing and shield in the other, it looked pretty cool

[hexed agate]

give us cool bugs

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeah, my boi derseves some spot light too, plus dark and poison.

[hexed agate]

Escavalier would let me sprite Havel the Rock

[stuck bane]

Cool, Pory gave Gen 5/7 endorsement

[stoic juniper]

My so-called sleeper picks (that I would fight tooth and nail for) are Claydol, Combee, Heatmor, Crustle and Lunatone/Solrock

[stuck bane]

I would post escavalier, but it has to go in with its counterpart since they evolve together, and can’t be asked to separate my notes between them

[feral bear]

Escavalier is approved

[stuck bane]

Durant cooker mentioned: ant-eater fusions, also gets fire lash with a guaranteed defense drop, and good attack and special attack, also the only fire type to get hone claws, and the only fire type to naturally learn bind, and the only fire type to learn bug bite

[hexed agate]

great picks

[sleek hornet]

I do love Claydol, Combee (Because Vespiqueen, ) and crustle!

Very noice

I just wanna fusion name Harliqueen. XD

[stoic juniper]

I genuinely want more bugs in the game, as well as really neat spriting themes (I feel like Heatmor is particularly done dirty)

[grave jolt]

I...don't want more bugs currently.

Especially not bees.

[stuck bane]

We don’t even have 50% of bugs, so we could use plenty more

[sleek hornet]

but not too much bugs of course.

There needs to be balance

(The best of our ability)

[stuck bane]

Yeah we’re only at 49.3% bugs, every other type has over 50%

[sleek hornet]

Hmmmm, should everything be 60%?

[grave jolt]

bugs are the second most common type in pokemon

[terse fable]

Kinda not sure how to feel about Skuntank, but I mean we don't have any kinda skunk related mons, so new fusion niche

[stuck bane]

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage:
29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)

And they’re the least common here

[hexed agate]

proof we need more cool bugs

[stuck bane]

Skuntank… I really don’t want fart fusions, it’s a fine pal, but I think other things should come first

[sleek hornet]

Yeah, I guess, but I also wanna see drapions BIG MEATY CLAWS xD

[eternal timber]

Honestly i think we need to complain about durant/heatmore and shelmet/karrablast more

[stuck bane]

That’s why I got these notes

[grave jolt]

In proportion to the number there are, but your example literally has them as the second highest number overall.

[terse fable]

The world's just not ready yet 😂

[hexed agate]

we need the Cool Bug™️ propaganda

[twin phoenix]

Speaking of bugs, I like Durant.

[sleek hornet]

Durant is pretty cool yeah

[eternal timber]

Relicanth is so cool i just dont know if it has a fin in this

[hexed agate]

Durant is a certified cool guy

[stuck bane]

Ok, we have 38 bugs, and are like, 8 lines away from all the dragons

[eternal timber]

Because it’s 1 winner and there’s so much

[twin phoenix]

Idk if the Truant Entrainment combo will be in the game though.

[sleek hornet]

Pun intended? XD

[eternal timber]

The phrase is leg so, yup

[stuck bane]

Durant: adds another bug type, and ant fusions, also a really good fusion body (100+ in all relevant stats), and the only steel type to get hustle, also literally the fastest steel type body in the entire game (unlike most steel types), and the only steel type body able to naturally learn bite, and the only steel type body able to learn sand attack, and the only steel type able to learn entrainment

[stuck bane]

If it’s Gen 7 Lear set, it will

[grave jolt]

the dragon debate was a big one last round since they had the least last time

[eternal timber]

Isnt dragon one of the least populated types in general

[grave jolt]

true

[sleek hornet]

Yeah

[eternal timber]

Maybe with fairy since fairies are new

Especially since we only have 2 generations of Pokemon designed to be fairies available

[prime dust]

we have more than that, or did you forget fairy typing got pushed onto older mons

[sleek hornet]

And some mons that used to be single typed:

Wiggly tuff (whole line except iggly)

Gardevior (whole line except Gallade)

Clafable

[eternal timber]

I said Pokemon designed to be fairies

Retroactive means they werent designed with the type in mind

[prime dust]

tomato potato

[stuck bane]

I think the Pokémon named fairy was designed to be a fairy

[grave jolt]

All pokemon in the game that are fairies are either Sylveon or older mons that had it added.

[sleek hornet]

Yeppers

[stuck bane]

Mimikyu

[eternal timber]

And there wasnt a ton of retroactive fairies

[sleek hornet]

Mimik Yu

[hexed agate]

let fairy enjoyers and bug enjoyers be reminded of Ribombee

[grave jolt]

Ah shoot, mimikyu

[stuck bane]

I’d be happy if it was ribombee, I like it

[eternal timber]

It was what, maybe 5 lines of retroactive fairy?

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-gif-25622771

[prime dust]

that thing will be pain, why i gave it 0

[sleek hornet]

Oh right lol.

I LOVE RIBOMBEE

WOOO

[stuck bane]

All I know is the only fairy unova got was whimsicott (mega audino doesn’t count)

[prime dust]

here is my argument for the time being

look at it

[grave jolt]

Ribombee

[eternal timber]

Jiggly line
Togepi line
Marill line
Clefairy line
Whimsicott

Anything else retroactive?

[sleek hornet]

I’m fast as freak boi

[grave jolt]

Ralts line

[eternal timber]

Ah yes, the powerhouses

[sleek hornet]

Yesh

well glass cannons

But they’re amazing :3

[analog stag]

https://tenor.com/view/cutiefly-dancing-pokemon-gif-9838011

[terse fable]

Really think right now Spheal line and Slurpuff line are some of the best picks rn, but there's a lot of other outliers

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

Because round boi

[eternal timber]

So yeah, we only have 2 generations worth of proper fairy types since they didn’t retroactively assign it to a lot of lines. Making fairy very comparable to dragon in terms of how much we have access to, except we have way more of the dragons now

Plus dragon had a lot of legends

[hexed agate]

fast web setter

[sleek hornet]

Blizzard

[eternal timber]

So we definitely have access to more dragon lines than fairy lines

Despite them being probably pretty similar in terms of how many of each existed by gen 7

[rough hound]

=l

[terse fable]

Toxicroak is another very solid pick, if the last poll didn't add a couple fighting types it'd be a no brainer

[sleek hornet]

Hmmm, Poison/fighting could be very niche.

[terse fable]

Still a very good pick cause we don't have a lot of fighting

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeah that

[analog stag]

Crabominable is a good pick

[eternal timber]

Not a bad pick but I didn’t realize how starved we are for fairies until now

[sleek hornet]

Yeah 😦

[terse fable]

People won't sprite crabominable lol

[grave jolt]

There's 41 non-mega dragon types in gens 1-7, and IF has 32 of them.

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/swirlix-sunday-swirlix-sunday-pokemon-pkmn-gif-17888776285761094925

[sleek hornet]

I think we got quite enough dragon

[eternal timber]

How about fairy

[sleek hornet]

Yeah We need more fairies

As well as bug

[eternal timber]

I want the data to compare

[coarse karma]

I'd take Swirlix over spheal, both round cuties.

[sleek hornet]

Yesh

[eternal timber]

Since dragon and fairy are two sides of the same coin

[analog stag]

I gave every fairy type on the form a 3

[clever vigil]

Just finished this dude

[terse fable]

Honestly I'd take Slurpuff line and Vepisqueen line, get a fairy and bug

[coarse karma]

Loving that custom base, nice job!!

[eternal timber]

Looks smug

[sleek hornet]

Yeah I love it

[terse fable]

I'd say cute bee but again they'd be hard to make detailed sprites on such tiny bods

[grave jolt]

For contrast, gen 6/7 have 26 non-retroactive fairies and we have 2 of them.

[terse fable]

withouthaving the sprite blown up

[sleek hornet]

Vespiqueen has such a tiny upper body

[clever vigil]

og image

[eternal timber]

Fucking ouch, and there’s only 6 retroactive lines

[sleek hornet]

💀

[coarse karma]

i'm still not over that Meloetta won last year when Archen had 2 chances.

[grave jolt]

mind, that 26 includes all the legnds

[eternal timber]

Isn’t that just xerneas and i think lunala

Oh, maybe arceus and silvally too

[terse fable]

Archen feels more like a completionist thing for me, like how I felt with the regi's before they were added, like we have all the other fossils why not this one lol

[odd bane]

What do these Pokemon have in common?

[sleek hornet]

Lunala iirc is a Ghost psychic type.

[molten loom]

Go win the contests/tournaments to add it to the special vote

[eternal timber]

Ah, i knew it had a fun type i forgot which one

Ghost is a fun type for legends, not common

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

lol

[grave jolt]

That is:
Xerneus, Diancie, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Fini, and Hatterene

[eternal timber]

Uhhhh, i think you made a mistake there

One of those Pokemon is absolutely not a legend and not viable for if

[clever vigil]

EXACTLY! Instead of cool prehistoric bird, we got hatsune miku

[eternal timber]

I forgor the tapus are all fairy

[viscid fossil]

Mr Mime

[grave jolt]

Is Hatterene a gen 8 mon? oof

[sleek hornet]

Yeppers

[eternal timber]

Oh yeah, and yup, counterpart to grimmsnarl

[sleek hornet]

I love Grimmsnarl 😦

Too bad he won’t be in

[terse fable]

If grimmsnarl was an option it'd be so over lol

[sleek hornet]

Yeaaaaah XD

[eternal timber]

Especially if it was paired with hatrene

[sleek hornet]

The many fusions and Dark/Fairy

As well as their moveset and abilities like prankster

I think correct me if I’m wrong

[grave jolt]

There's 11 non-retroactive fairy type lines
of those Flabébé, Spritzee, Swirlix, Cutiefly, and Morelull evolve.

[eternal timber]

I think we just need 100% of the non legendary fairys in if to balance the dragons

[terse fable]

Another option I think is all around solid is Ludicolo line, can get a new stream of dancing mons to go with the music mons Meloetta added

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeaaaaaah I also love Lombre

And water grass is a pretty good offensive type

[clever vigil]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1272356473175015456

[eternal timber]

I also want xerneas but xerneas balances out zygarde

[sleek hornet]

I love Xeneras favorite fairy legend

[eternal timber]

The whole trio is amazing aesthetically

[sleek hornet]

Absolutely

[grave jolt]

I want Zyguarde so I can have 10%

[eternal timber]

I suppose the tapus would help balance the creation trio and rayquaza

[sleek hornet]

Imo Missed opportunity for Zygarde, it’s body should be a Z (JK love the design)

I also love doggy

[grave jolt]

Perfectly balenced

As all things should be

[sleek hornet]

That’s a good boi

:3

That’s my favorite stage of Zygarde.

Though the 100% form is pretty cool too. (The humanoid one)

[grave jolt]

If I could get just 10% or even just 10% and 50% I'd be happy

[eternal timber]

I’m not a fan of complete but that’s because I’m bias

It’s probably meant to represent mecha anime

But in a biological way

[grave jolt]

fake Pseudo-legend

[hexed agate]

it is a pseudo-pseudo legend, since it is a legend

[stuck bane]

Boy, if you thought frog was angry coding the meloetta event, try telling him to code 100+ Zygarde cells around the map

[inland geyser]

discuss

[coarse karma]

"Go win the contest" I'm not interested in trying to win anything though. And I really don't want to get any sort of last minute vote privilege, so why would I go do that. I have never said I wanted to do any of that.

But if you're upset about the Meloetta thing, I've been known as the Meloetta Disliker round here for a while so you'll have to deal with me talking my opinion.

[eternal timber]

I originally assumed Zygarde would be one form and we would just chose which one to use for each sprite

[grave jolt]

You get to fight 100% first so unaware players get annihilated

[sleek hornet]

Same honestly lol

[eternal timber]

You dont get last minute vote privileges, you just get to add a Pokemon to a smaller list for a vote for a second addition

[coarse karma]

I know hwo it works, I was telling fireblade I don't want that.

[eternal timber]

It’s still gonna be a democratic addition

Just the options will be more bias

[coarse karma]

@sleek hornet why are you upvoting that comment when I said I dont want it XD

[sleek hornet]

Cause I agreed in general

[molten loom]

I was joking that if you are so upset at it losing then you should force it in

[clever vigil]

I don't like Meloetta either. Archen/Archeops supremacy

[stuck bane]

I want the mons I want added, and not the mons I don’t want added, also I refuse to do any raffle or special vote participations because that’s beneath me

[sleek hornet]

Same

[terse fable]

When there was already mons like Gardevoir to fill the niche of humanoid girl mons, I also felt Meloetta was not that great of a pick, but there's been some amazing fusions that make me glad she's in, still think other mons would've been better tho

[coarse karma]

I'm not. I'm on a different team. My original comment was towards Lybird who loves Archen/Archeops. I'm ok with anything winning (even fusions i dont like.)

[grave jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1271844985393905736/archenover.png?ex=66ba22f2&is=66b8d172&hm=686532997c9cabca2be4369cb29c9a4ac254157dd7ee605b788343f167b10133&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[eternal timber]

I’m honestly not a fan of how you worded that

Humanoid girl mons

[stuck bane]

You didn’t seem ok with Melo

[molten loom]

I'm doing some of the tournaments, not because I expect to win, but because I can

[grave jolt]

"Go, human girl!"

[terse fable]

Well I mean what else are they, they're humanoid, of the female look and mons 😂

[sleek hornet]

True XD

[coarse karma]

same here for contests. Good luck with them btw. I'll be sure to vote for any of your entries if you do any contests.

[eternal timber]

That just isnt a niche i think about when i think of them

[molten loom]

Having to replan my Big Boss team because you have to pick one side of the Big boss for the grunts and can't alternate sides

[eternal timber]

We have the princess and the knight, and then a singer and a dancer

[sleek hornet]

What is considered humanoid anyway? Some people say any mon that’s on two feet.

[eternal timber]

If it’s bipedal and based on an animal that’s anthro

[sleek hornet]

Ahhhhhh, okay.

[eternal timber]

I think it’s the bipedal Pokemon that seem to be mostly based on a humanoid body shape

[coarse karma]

Is there something missing about the Society image i'm not getting? Sorry i'm dense, I lived with my late grandparents my whole life so stuff flies over my head a lot as I was on the safe side of the internet mostly, up until 2018. I didn't even know about the Vaporeon thing until 2 years ago.

[terse fable]

Gallade adds a male swordsman niche, but Gardevoir and Meloetta are usually ref material

[silent acorn]

Stands on two legs has semi opposable thumbs

[eternal timber]

Rule 2

Thats what

[silent acorn]

Like it can hold stuff basically

[sleek hornet]

Oh right!

[silent acorn]

Japan has a word of that...
Kemono

[terse fable]

And the mons they make are similar, which is human like, female mons

[eternal timber]

But, they dont have to be ref material? There’s way more to them than that

[coarse karma]

Looks like an empty jungle image for me.

[terse fable]

But again still think Meloetta has been done well

[limber agate]

looks humanish

[prime dust]

at minimum, anything listed here
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Human-Like_(Egg_Group)

[terse fable]

See the 2nd part of what I said lol

[coarse karma]

Yeah I agree, I'm loving the fusions more than I expected to.

[sleek hornet]

I see, ty!

[eternal timber]

They make idols (singers) and royalty

Those aren’t the same

[sleek hornet]

I love the Torterra ones with the concert stage!!

[eternal timber]

Focusing on female is what makes it uncomfortable imo

[dull ibex]

Hot take. I feel like Golisopod would make for a bad ass fusion material = 3=b

[terse fable]

I mean you can distinguish them in all kinds of ways, but they're still humanoid female mons lol, just like adding another dog mon would still make mons that are dogs, which we have lol

[grave jolt]

Ah yes, humanoid

[sleek hornet]

Yeah they’re definitely humanoid

XD

[terse fable]

? They are obviously female oriented mons. what lol

[viscid fossil]

Bipedeal
Round head
Normal amount of appendages

[prime dust]

there's room for debate, but i figured using that egg group as a base is a good start point for "humanoid"

[eternal timber]

I mean, there’s plenty of male gardevoir

[terse fable]

Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about, the design is female oriented

[eternal timber]

Yeah, there’s definitely some Pokémon without an egg group that belong there

[terse fable]

Like Jynx

[viscid fossil]

Gardevoir wasn't in that group until gen 8

[grave jolt]

In Stadium 2 and in Japanese, the line's named after Jynx.

[sleek hornet]

Should’nt Dicidueye be there since it’s based off a human character, stands on two feet and has wings that turn into opposable thumbs?

[viscid fossil]

apparently gardevoir has more in common with a washing machine than a human

[terse fable]

I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me lol

[grave jolt]

Since it has feathers it can't be a human

[clever vigil]

W.i.p Evo to this guy

[coarse karma]

it's so beautiful.

[grave jolt]

YES!

[coarse karma]

The only reason I dislike Meloetta is cause I have a minor/petty issue with the pirouette form that wouldn't make much sense to other people.

[sleek hornet]

Ahhh, okay, yeah, makes sense

[eternal timber]

Ok but pirouette did give us more fighting type right? Unless it isn’t properly implemented

[sleek hornet]

Wait, how did they make the other form work in game?

[coarse karma]

I'm so happy for more fighting types in the game

[eternal timber]

Idk, i haven’t played in ages

[terse fable]

I don't have any issue with Melo, just think it's pretty samey with other mons already in the game, despite that it's had some great sprites!

[sleek hornet]

Yeah the fighting types I want are Meinshao and Toxicroak.

[eternal timber]

Since before spriter credits

[clever vigil]

If it had to be a fighting type, I'd want Kommo-o

[small tiger]

Vote Gourgeist or whatever

[viscid fossil]

It has its own dex entry and exists out of battle
You can even use relic song as a field move to switch

[eternal timber]

We have too many dragons

We need all the fairies

[grave jolt]

gen 7 dragon type

[eternal timber]

To balance it

[silent acorn]

Moar poison

[coarse karma]

I love that design.

[clever vigil]

Don't laugh at me. I Just really like them.

[sleek hornet]

Huh, good to know, ty! :3

[eternal timber]

….is there a poison fairy other than fezandipiti?

[sleek hornet]

As much as really like Kommo-o too, there needs to be a balance.

[grave jolt]

I would prefer either more gen 4 or some fairy types

[eternal timber]

Oh wait i think galar wheezing

[viscid fossil]

Galarian weeing

[clever vigil]

./srs

[sleek hornet]

Ello Govnor.

[eternal timber]

We need one that isnt based on a preexisting Pokemon and isnt, man idk how to define dlc legends. But legend

We also need a dragon fairy

A proper one

Not just mega altaria

[clever vigil]

Oml. When i put the serious tone tag I mean it. S T O P

[silent acorn]

Kekekeke

Ah... Humanoid mons

[eternal timber]

The clattering dragons are cool, we just have dragon oversaturation

[sleek hornet]

Srry. 😭

[silent acorn]

We have like... Basically all of the big ones

I think we can let Kommo wait it's turn

[sleek hornet]

Yeah

[eternal timber]

I want more fairy before we get the last dragons

[grave jolt]

We're missing the Axew line

[sleek hornet]

1000%

[dusty arrow]

hello chat

[silent acorn]

Shame there is no like Fighting Fairy

[sleek hornet]

I just want Aromatisse plague doctor fusions

And Florges Flowery fusions

[eternal timber]

I would absolutely give aromatisse a 3 if it was properly paired with slurpuff

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-dance-fast-dancing-plush-toy-plushie-gif-13992605206510819155

[rose vine]

well iron valiant is fairy/fighting but i agree that there's no "normal" or ig average encounters with that typing

would be cool

[dusty arrow]

ngl i think bewear shouldve been fairy/fighting

[sleek hornet]

Indeed

[silent acorn]

Nuts... I also hate we can't add Hatterene as that one is pretty different from gardevoir

[iron jungle]

Yes, Aromatisse and Florges would make wonderful fusions! Personally, I'd like the Ribombee line. Just a bunch of tiny little fairies~

[sleek hornet]

Same with RIBOMBEE

[eternal timber]

We just might have to remind people they arwnt bees

[sleek hornet]

Crap now corrects RIBOMBEE to all cap

[rose vine]

loooove ribombee!!

[eternal timber]

They’re beeflies which are different

[dusty arrow]

ribombee is a fairy type and comes with quiver dance

[grave jolt]

Aromatise

[silent acorn]

Cutiefly

[silent acorn]

It's good

Wait what's up with that speed?

[sleek hornet]

SAAAAAME :3. Cute bug fairy with a scarf. Plus very good moveset like Pollen puff.

[rose vine]

i wish there were more pokemon like toxtricity. i love that pokemon and poison/electric is such a fun type combo to me

[grave jolt]

Slurpuff

[eternal timber]

I dont want people adding stingers to the beeflies

[dusty arrow]

belly drum + unburden

[rose vine]

my ribombee slayed in my moon playthrough. miss her; she carried my team personally

[small tiger]

do you guys think that Gourgeist gets pissy when people make like pumpkin pie

[sleek hornet]

Yeah I used her in my USM Playthrough, it was fun T-T

[coarse karma]

Fezandipiti? For some reason I thought they only added Orgepon, mask forms and more paradox legends for the DLC. but sounds like there's a lot more pokemon i'm missing out on than I thought. Getting a call for a job interview can't come quick enough.

[silent acorn]

It probably be like that episode of journey with blaziken and the Torchic Cupcakes

[eternal timber]

The loyal three toxic trio

[small tiger]

how so

[grave jolt]

dedenne

[sleek hornet]

Dedenne, sad. 😞

Good speed though

And good typing

We need more fairy/electric besides a legendary and a cute mouse. T-T

[coarse karma]

Blaziken dropped out of a cooking tournament when it saw Torchic Peeps or something like that. It took them home instead of letting the judges eat them.

[dusty arrow]

Normal/Ice, Normal/Bug, Normal/Rock, Normal/Steel, Fire/Fairy, Ice/Poison, Ground/Fairy, Bug/Dragon, Rock/Ghost

these are all the type combos we dont have

[eternal timber]

They added 3 more legends in kitakami plus evos for 2 galar lines and a new convergent. Blueberry just adds access to ||terapagos|| and access to an evolution of a preexisting line. But beating both you get access to yet another legend

[coarse karma]

Oh they're cookies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_KPCDS7JM

[dusty arrow]

i think the other "legend" that i wont say because spoiler and i forgot its name, is a mythical

[sleek hornet]

Ah yes archeludon and Hydrapple

[rose vine]

i've been so interested by potential fairy/ground type pokemon we could have because that combination is so interesting and it's (theoretically) good both offensively and defensively. same with fire/fairy to counteract its steel weakness

[eternal timber]

Mythicals are a subset of legend and dlc Pokemon are weird

[dusty arrow]

fairy/ground is a really cool sounding type

same with fire/fairy

[sleek hornet]

1000%

But how would we make a fairy/ground into a Pokémon?

[silent acorn]

Florges?

[dusty arrow]

that would be grass/fairy

[eternal timber]

So technically those are all legends. Im just not sure if any are mythicals because mythicals are generally based on how you got it in the debut generation, and these are locked behind dlc. But not exactly locked behind timed events

[dusty arrow]

i feel like dunsparce could be a good one

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeaaaaah Dunsparce fs

[rose vine]

ive seen some really cool fakemon ideas like a sun dial and even cute ones based on the pink fairy armadillo

[sleek hornet]

Huh, those are pretty cool

[eternal timber]

Dunsparce isnt ground or fairy because that’s just a normal animal

[sleek hornet]

Unfortunately 😦

[dusty arrow]

there are so many pokemon that should already be rock/ghost

golurk, spiritomb, runerigus

[sleek hornet]

A lot people wanted a dragon Dunsparce but I want a dumb looking fairy ground snake. T-T

[eternal timber]

Nah, the keystone isnt actually part of spiritomb

[rose vine]

i always thought runerigus should've been rock/ghost

[eternal timber]

Runerigus and golurk are made of dried clay

[grave jolt]

Gnome pokemon (Sorry, was rereading the convo)

[dusty arrow]

pokemon infinity has a fairy/ground sparce evo

[eternal timber]

Rock and ground are weird but generally stuff like clay is considered ground

[sleek hornet]

Oh noice

Looks pretty good :3

[dusty arrow]

its called quezsparce and evoles in a similar way to dudunsparce even though infinity came before sv

[eternal timber]

And clay is how you make stuff like artsy tablets and figures

[dusty arrow]

(level up knowing drill run)

[rose vine]

yeahhhh. i can see how the logistics of what constitutes a rock or ground pokemon kinda up in the air at some points

[terse fable]

oohh this is cool! 😄

[sleek hornet]

Very nice.

[coarse karma]

the dunsparce evo we desserved but didnt get. dundunsparce is a funny fellow dont get me wrong.

[sleek hornet]

True dat

[dusty arrow]

i do love me a dudunsparce

[sleek hornet]

That’s literally my opinion lol.

[eternal timber]

Yeah, claydol is another example of an artsy clay creation

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dunsparce-beloved-pokemon-gif-21579093

[sleek hornet]

We could use more but DunDunsparce is good enough

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/dunsparce-gif-14039997421793189622

[eternal timber]

Dudunsparce fits with the original theme of the Pokemon

[terse fable]

Big fan of dunsparce fusions

[dusty arrow]

but when do we get dududududunsparce
(evolution of dudunsparce)

[eternal timber]

Dunsparce isn’t supposed to become stereotypically cool

[sleek hornet]

I wanted it to look stupidly cute

[grave jolt]

every du is another segment

[terse fable]

See, make a dunsparce fusion of the mon you want in the game is a good way of trying to convince me to 3 it 😂

[dusty arrow]

i want a dudunsparce that has so many segments to the point where the entire screen is du

[sleek hornet]

Yesh! Oh wait what about dududududududududdududunsparce?

[high haven]

Dunsparce has seen enough

[dusty arrow]

or what about dududududududududududududududududududududududududududududunsparce

[terse fable]

inb4mods

😂

[sleek hornet]

Oh yesh that will be AWSOME!

Ooooo Oroboro based

[barren lion]

we need to make Dunspance long enough to make it into jormungandr!

[eternal timber]

Where’s that tierlist of the possible new Pokémon that has a tier for ones that add new abilities?

[dusty arrow]

actually a cool idea

[sleek hornet]

INFINITE SGMENTS

[silent acorn]

Dududududududududududududududududududududududududududududududududududududududududunspapapapapapaparsesesesese

[coarse karma]

I know they said we can't have gen8/higher but why can't we petition for dudunsparce, it's not like it has any new moves or abilities to code.

[dusty arrow]

papa?!?!

drampa confirmed!!

[inland geyser]

Drudd again c:<

[dusty arrow]

thats actually sick

[eternal timber]

I need to keep track of that tierlist so i can look at more of the potential new abilities

[terse fable]

If Dunsparce actually had it's evo in IF I'd cry in joy

[silent acorn]

Has to actually be forced into the code. The others they kinda enable them as they go

[sleek hornet]

Wait Drampa confirmed?

[dusty arrow]

will never happen

[coarse karma]

ah, dang true.

[high haven]

No
Not yet at least

[sleek hornet]

Darn

[terse fable]

I know, that's why I'll cry in sadness instead 😭

[dusty arrow]

we were making dunsparce jokes and it devolved into dunsparce evolving into drampa lol

[dusty arrow]

at least theres dunsparce/dunsparce

[silent acorn]

Fun fact froggo wants to add Barbaracle but hasn't elaborated on why he hasn't

[sleek hornet]

I mean…it makes sense XD

[terse fable]

These 2 sprites are some of my fav, PLS we need drampa

[dusty arrow]

dudududududududududududududududu-

(not mine)

[coarse karma]

I love drampa non-ifs

[eternal timber]

If someone has that tierlist that has the Pokemon that add new abilities plz dm it to me

[high haven]

He's the secret 16th student hiding in Hope's Peak Academy

[sleek hornet]

DUEL

[dusty arrow]

this has made me want walrein in the game now

[coarse karma]

yeah they're the 2 coolest ive seen

[eternal timber]

I need to start winding down for sleeping

[sleek hornet]

Those are like so cool

[eternal timber]

But i wanna look at more abilities tomorrow

[terse fable]

Drampa is one of my personal favs of getting in to be real

[silent acorn]

du8

[grave jolt]

😮

[terse fable]

but don't think it will

[sleek hornet]

I wanna start seeing Florges and Armatisse fusions too! To see how it would work.

[coarse karma]

best image all night so far.

[inland geyser]

Dramps is the other dragon im down for in PIF

ive got an idea cookin

[sleek hornet]

Would like to see!

[wooden walrus]

Please vote for skitty🙏

[sleek hornet]

The Infinite segments

XD

[coarse karma]

Drampa will at least place somewhere in the middle or a bit higher im praying, even if not top 3, i'm hoping for above 10 so ppl know it's a wanted fusion.

[sleek hornet]

Same I love me drampa

I love long nek Pokémon

[grave jolt]

du∞

[coarse karma]

Drampa is best body guard friend, someone talks smack he's got ur back.

[silent acorn]

HUNT STARTED!!! ... wait wrong game

[terse fable]

The only mon I'm for sure has a high chance is Spheal line, the rest is a little more divided

[inland geyser]

i thought that was Charizard at first but its Reshiram right

?

[grave jolt]

This is exactly what I wanted from Drampa

[sleek hornet]

It’s quite Sphealacal

[inland geyser]

the wing claws have me second guessing

[sleek hornet]

Judging from its body shape it would be a Charizard to me.

[silent acorn]

My berserker charizard

[sleek hornet]

Yesh

[rose vine]

there were so many good lines and non-evolving pokemon to vote for

[coarse karma]

Hero's Camerupt/Walrein makes me sort of want the underated Numel line.

[sleek hornet]

And it would have a MASSIVE special attack.

Dear gosh

[twin phoenix]

I thought we already had a Quivern reference.

[rose vine]

this looks so sick omg

[terse fable]

Camperupt is a solid choice as well

[silent acorn]

Wait... Drampa is normal?

[grave jolt]

Berserker Charizard would have its SPA boosted the moment it enters battle

[sleek hornet]

Wow! I LOVE IT

[silent acorn]

Ah shoot... It doesn't get the dragon on head

[coarse karma]

we had a fun user contest earlier in the year for making non-if fusions, they're all stored in a future use drive folder now so whenever a new pokemon line gets added any fusions made during that contest that corresponds to the line will be added.

[sleek hornet]

Hehe Charizard with long nek

[terse fable]

literally almost all of them are really solid when you think of what can be done with themm, it's hard voting when you think about it too long cause then you want to give everything 3's lolll

[grave jolt]

Charizard getting all the worst fusion types

[sleek hornet]

XD

Oof but

[rose vine]

that's awesome!! hopefully they all get to see the light of day eventually. so many fantastic artists here

[sleek hornet]

Yeah I saw a lot of the IF fusions and they look so good T-T

So many talented people indeed

[coarse karma]

here's an old torkoal fusion I made last november... Not as fancy. but still was fun to make C:

[sleek hornet]

Ooooo

[rose vine]

i'd make my own sprites for fusions but 1) ive never done it before and 2) idk if id have the confidence to share them lol

[sleek hornet]

Same tbh.

[rose vine]

you're so talented omg

i love how depth gets handled in sprites. you did that really well here

[sleek hornet]

Hey as long as you enjoyed making it :3

[coarse karma]

You should, i love to see new works :D

[sleek hornet]

Yeah I wouldn’t mind taking a look! :3

[coarse karma]

Ok so, Swirlix when. I need my little munchkins.

[rose vine]

damn ig i need to find the time to make one

[sleek hornet]

😁

[rose vine]

i love cacturne so maybe ill find one to make

[sleek hornet]

I want cotton candy :3

[coarse karma]

Take your time, you'll do just fine.

[sleek hornet]

Fairy types I want:

Florges

Ribombee

Slurpuff

Aromatisse (Plauge doctor)

[rose vine]

i did a whole favorite pokemon picker thing and apparently 4 of my top 10 are from gen 8 alone so ill need to work with other mons

[dusty arrow]

appreciation to mimemiku and soulurker for the positive reactions (some people are just nonbelievers)

[terse fable]

Honestly, i think some creative people can make some cool ass castform fusions

[rose vine]

i can imagine the amount of aromatisse fusions that have emphasized a plague doctor aesthetic. marowak comes to mind

[stuck bane]

Make it Magikarp Cryst and you’ll get a palworld fan added to that list, like I said

[sleek hornet]

Indeed oooo the bone head.

It would look so cool

[terse fable]

Gourgheist is an obv 3 for me personally, give me all the spooky mons

[sleek hornet]

I love me Ghost types :3

I like scary looking, cute, and dumb looking monsters :3

[rose vine]

same! tho fairy types are my favorite :3

[stuck bane]

I like gourgeist, it’s a fun design, I also think it’s the counterpart of trev right?

[coarse karma]

<Left was my first fusion posted in spritework back before i got my spriter role. Right> was the finished result after helpful feedback.

[terse fable]

also huge on Vikavolt, some nice variation between the line for spriters to work with

[rose vine]

palossand (even tho i never used one in sun and moon...)

[rose vine]

joltik my beloved!! that's still soo good, dude

[prime dust]

i dunno, i kind of like slightly hangry joltik/bulbasaur

[coarse karma]

hahaha.

[sleek hornet]

Noice, Though Ghost is not my favorite of all time I have top favs:

Steel

Dragon

Dark

Fairy

Ghost

[rose vine]

it does feel more expressive but both are awesome

[sleek hornet]

(Same) though I do love its design and sound.

Like: AOOOOOOOOOH

XD

[terse fable]

Mandibuzz is a sleeper pick right there, vulture mons sounds cool

[rose vine]

somehow i think all those types are in my top 5 too?? im trying to think; i love a lot of flying types as well... like my biggest dilemma in platinum was deciding between togekiss, gliscor, and crobat cuz i didnt want a glaring ice or electric weakness

i ended up with togekiss cuz thats my favorite pokemon of all time

[rose vine]

real

[sleek hornet]

Indeed they do.

[sleek hornet]

Same except it’s Garchomp XD.

[coarse karma]

I may actually use the old expression when I one day go back and redo all my early sprites, but I wanted to get some more experience first. I'm just learning as i'm going and it's fun. I've had some moments where it stopped being fun but any unfinished sprites go into a google drive where salvagers help finish them and you still both get credit for it.

[stuck bane]

Ghost talk got me looking, turns out it’s worse than dragon and only 7 lines away from completion:

Missing ghost types:
Jellicent
Gourgeist
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

[sleek hornet]

Very nice my guy! :3

[terse fable]

I kinda lowkey like Mothim

[rose vine]

valid!!

[stuck bane]

If jellicent and gourgeist are chosen, we will 100% all the ghost types available to use, excluding starters/legends/UBs

[rose vine]

decidueye

[terse fable]

sigh I see dog, I 3 dog

[sleek hornet]

Yep one step at a time my dude. :3

[coarse karma]

Wow what a throw back. I was going through my old sprite work threads from january-march of 2023 and found this unfinish dragon wip.

[sleek hornet]

Teehee. So cute :3.

I love it

[rose vine]

oh i didnt know that. that'll be helpful, thanks for letting me know! and for what it's worth, your work has been great so far 👍

[rose vine]

yooooO!! i love dragonite you did so good here

[terse fable]

oh man, Crawdaunt thooo

god i love the design

[rose vine]

real!!

[coarse karma]

If spheal wins i'll definitely need to redo this one as well.

[sleek hornet]

I love how the horns on its head look like a crown.

[rose vine]

ive never used one but i thought it was always cool

[coarse karma]

I do too :3

[sleek hornet]

Same T-T

[rose vine]

OMG

it's so rotund!!

[coarse karma]

just a squishmallow cat /j

[sleek hornet]

It’s Quite the Spherical

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/drakeandjosh-spherical-present-take-this-offer-gif-5396234

[rose vine]

what a throwback, duuuuude

[sleek hornet]

Yeah that just randomly popped up XD

Darn I feel old T-T

[terse fable]

I shouldn't like Avalugg as much as I do, but I'm a sucker for turtle like mons

[sleek hornet]

Same

Omg

TORKAL FTW

[rose vine]

i love the design too, dont worry

[inland geyser]

Spheal mentioned

[coarse karma]

here's one more sprite change I did one's from feb 2023 the other the start of this year.

[coarse karma]

omg love them

[sleek hornet]

Woah! OMG

[rose vine]

ITS LITTLE FEET

[coarse karma]

zekrom one is kickass

[sleek hornet]

Both of you guys did an AMAZING JOB

[rose vine]

agreed!!

[sleek hornet]

Especially the Zekrom one my guy like Wow so cool

[inland geyser]

lidl crocoballs

[terse fable]

Stoutlanddd, again, I see dog, I 3 dog 🙂

[coarse karma]

back in June I made a personal sheet for spheal https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hwcAd7NyITX-7pSFWqQeSyRbGAXNT36K3ee9a665ifo/edit?gid=2139193647#gid=2139193647

[sleek hornet]

I like Herdier (idk how to freaking spell it T-T)

[rose vine]

it's accurate

[sleek hornet]

Yesh! :3

Ty

[terse fable]

Seismitoad, another banger, personal 3 for sure

[sleek hornet]

I like the stoned look in its eyes

XD

[coarse karma]

has a list of all the spheal people have made

[sleek hornet]

OOOO I want the cyndaquill one SO BAD like Fire tire!

XD

[rose vine]

black and white was my first pkmn game so i have a huuuge bias for the gen v mons so 👀

[sleek hornet]

Gen 6 was mine

hehe (At first I thought the Gen 5 mons were Gen 6 💀)

[rose vine]

obsessed with "totodile exists" for some reason

[coarse karma]

lol

[rose vine]

cuz black and white didnt have pokemon from previous gens i play all games using only new ones since that's what i was technically used to lmao

[terse fable]

I might be crazy, but I love the Toucannon line??

[stuck bane]

One of us, I got stat lists for all unova mons if you ever need help advocating for them

[sleek hornet]

OMG SAME

[rose vine]

oh~

[stuck bane]

Toucannon has that beak move right?

[rose vine]

👀

[sleek hornet]

Yeppers

[rose vine]

so simple yet so 👌

[stuck bane]

Watch, name one

[terse fable]

It's so cute like wtff, definite 3 loll

[sleek hornet]

Absolutely!

[rose vine]

serperior

[sleek hornet]

Hydreigon!

[coarse karma]

there's two that exists for that slot but I put owls there cause im too lazy to make another collum lol.

[rose vine]

i was gonna say bisharp cuz thats my second fave lol but that's already in the game

[sleek hornet]

I love superior too!

[stuck bane]

Ok well that was my starter but it’s not on the vote and serp is my fav starter, and hyd is already in but I love that one too

Name one available in the vote I mean

[sleek hornet]

Yeah. Oops

[rose vine]

oh shit sorry lol

[sleek hornet]

Eelektross!

[rose vine]

yeah probably that one lol

[sleek hornet]

That’s my favorite electric type

Besides Luxray

[rose vine]

i mean an electric type with no weaknesses?? cmon~

[coarse karma]

I made a couple custom base wips for spheal last month.

[stuck bane]

Eelektross: electric type with levitate guaranteed (it’s an electric type no matter if it’s a head or body fusion, unlike rotom), eel fusions, and good attack and special attack, also the only electric type to learn acid spray, and the only electric type able to learn bind naturally, and the only electric type to learn acid, and the only electric type to learn coil, and the only electric type to learn crush claw, and the only pure electric type with access to gastro acid, and also the only electric type able to learn headbutt naturally

[terse fable]

Shiinotic is my kind of mon and an easy 3, although there's not a shot in hell they win 😂

[sleek hornet]

Yeah I mean can’t beat that XD

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/shiinotic-pokemon-gif-25440691

Mushroom fren 🙂

[sleek hornet]

Oooo that’s should be a rolling tire that’s on fire for the cybdaquill fusion! (The one on the left) :3

[stuck bane]

But what if other mushroom friend

[terse fable]

but big smile 🙂

man I can't type today lol

[sleek hornet]

Eheh same

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/drakeandjosh-spherical-present-take-this-offer-gif-5396234

[sleek hornet]

lol

[rose vine]

ive never chatted with so many people that love pokemon at once before this is awesome; yall are so cool

[terse fable]

Braviary is also good birb, gets many pets

[coarse karma]

i'd love it if someone made a cool cyndaquil fusion like that actually. right these are all i've found.

[rose vine]

agreed

[stuck bane]

This is better than some other corners of the Pokémon fandom that’s for sure

[sleek hornet]

Awe so cute :3

[inland geyser]

btw chat

[rose vine]

i remember watching the anime as a kid and thinking "i want a scrafty like ash" but my dark type ended up a bisharp

[rose vine]

oooooooooooooooooo

[sleek hornet]

Yeah you guys are awesome, you’re also awesome!

[sleek hornet]

Yesh

[stuck bane]

Baggy pants mentioned:

Scrafty: adds more fighting types and dark types, baggy pants fusions, Mohawk fusions, and is a Mon used on ash’s team, only fighting and dark type with access to shed skin, also the only fighting type to naturally get moxie, and good attack/defense/special defense, also the only dark type with access to brick break naturally, and the only dark type head with access to chip away, and the only dark type with access to facade naturally

[rose vine]

you saying that concerns me but also doesnt surprise me, cuz ig there are always those dark corners. idk if i wanna know what those are like

[stuck bane]

You don’t

[coarse karma]

added it into the sprite sheet b4 i lose it again lol

[rose vine]

😳

[terse fable]

Honestly think Medicham would be a good edition gameplay wise, but sprite wise ehh, prolly only 2 that one

[stuck bane]

Anyways back to happy Pokémon discussion

[inland geyser]

Klingklang.Crustle (WIP)

[coarse karma]

we need crustle

[sleek hornet]

That would probably be me tbh

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-unite-decidueye-crustle-pokemon-unite-gif-27226479

[stuck bane]

Crusty is next to scrafty that’s easy

Crustle: adds more bug types, gives access to rock wrecker for bug type fusions (normally only rhyperior has), and it’s different enough from pallosand and torterra since it’s fusions would be its shell home, also the only bug type that gets weak armor, and has great defense and good attack, also the only rock type body that can learn fury cutter, and the only bug type with access to feint attack naturally

[rose vine]

oh i forgot mienshao was on the voting list. i never used one but i thought the design was really elegant. maybe ill get one if i ever replay black/white

[terse fable]

I like Druddigon, weirdo dragon is weird, aint no drampa tho

[stuck bane]

Mienshao: adds more fighting types, great attack, and good special attack and speed, and the only fighting type with access to regenerator, also can bring shaolin martial arts references to differentiate from Sawk and Throh, and is the only pure fighting type to learn aura sphere (it lends itself to being a good special attacker too), and also the only pure fighting type to learn bounce naturally, and the only pure fighting type to learn calm mind, and the only pure fighting type with access to double slap, and the only non-legendary fighting type with access to drain punch naturally

[sleek hornet]

Yeah Scrafty and crustle are so cool and are some of my favorite dark and bug types besides Grimmsnarl and Mightyena and Umbreon. It may have a 4x fairy weakness but it’s has other things to make up for it almost.

[stuck bane]

Druddigon: only dragon type to naturally get rough skin, only dragon type that gets sheer force, and a great attack, as well as good defense and special defense, and 100%’s all dragon types from unova, is also the only dragon type with access to chip away, and the only fully evolved pure dragon type with access to dragon tail

[inland geyser]

i want Eternatus after making this one

[terse fable]

Ohh I like Wishcash! fishie

[sleek hornet]

Plus Meinshao has suck a cool design

[stuck bane]

I’m still so peeved they made one of my favorite Pokémon(Hydreigon) have one of the worst typings ever

[sleek hornet]

Ikr!? Like OMG

They did our boi dirty

[stuck bane]

Guys you gotta believe me it used to be awesome

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-whiscash-catfish-water-gif-13532774113755813510

[sleek hornet]

Yeah I heard back in Gen 5 before fairy got introduced Hydreigon used to be a powerhouse

As well as Garchomp

:3

[stuck bane]

It was, ghetsis used it to extremely effective degree

[sleek hornet]

Man I wish I played Gen 5 first T-T

[terse fable]

Musharna would be cool for spritess

[stuck bane]

I played HGSS first, but yes BW was like a whole new world despite that

[inland geyser]

reminder to wear a helmet

[sleek hornet]

OMG YES

LOVE IT

[stuck bane]

Musharna: it’s already an overworld mon, can make dream fusions, floral pattern fusions, and you can get one extremely early since it’s a moon stone evolution, also serves as an amazing head with good hp, special attack, and special defense, only psychic type with access to defense curl, and the only non-legendary psychic type to learn lucky chant naturally

[sleek hornet]

Araquanid FTW

[rose vine]

quad weak to fairy is pretty oof

[terse fable]

voted water spider 3, cool design

[sleek hornet]

MAJOR OOF

[stuck bane]

Araquanid deserves it, for design and mechanics

[rose vine]

the music alone is 🔥

[sleek hornet]

Same because I used it in my first play though of SM and it was busted! Imo

[terse fable]

most bugs I vote 3, leads to a lot of sprites I favor lol

[rose vine]

i felt the menace when i challenged the elite four

really made me feel like i didnt belong

[rose vine]

THE QUAGSIRE/ARAQUANID OMG

[sleek hornet]

Oh yeah! I heard the music and it’s such a definitive banger especially Elite 4

[terse fable]

also with turtles, like carracosta omggg

[stuck bane]

Tbf, I worked for a Hydreigon before I got to the E4, it’s power made it so worth the elbow grease