#pif-hoenn-discussion
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Eelektross gives the electric type you want AND levitate
hardest part about spriting imo is finding one i wanna sprite enough that it overides executive dysfunction
Wishiwashi will suck
You cant even stay consistent with the forms if they are the head
Cuz one is a single fish and needs the shape and the other is many
which is where the value is at
why would you use rotom body though
You know its funny, you can't say mono electric is a good thing because most of them are
@sour sigil this friend is also a spriter
i mean youd probably not use either bc rotom bst is not good but if you want elec levitate rotom head is there
Tynamo Jumpscare
as a spriter who enjoys the process, all of it can be hard. Sorry it's taxxing for you, but doesn't mean everyone
very silly tynamo
Anyway, what's this about tinamo?
I mean people managed to make oricorio work
but that's pretty different
since it doesn't change mid battle
Like the idea is cool yes
But it gets weird when your many fish become one single one in the size of the many together
Fine but the consensus is that Wishi is taxing and it would take forever to have even like 10% of it
Its better to have something easy of use and flexible
alright but you also do not have to if you don't want to
heads kinda sound fun tho with like making school form the shape of the body pokemon
Yes but they will feel weird
It can be good if someone does it simple
probably won't win
who do you think is most likely to win?
spheal
idk honestly
Golisipod imo
a water type
if golisopod wins I’ll be happy ngl
like just do this for example
pretty cool pokemon
all I heard is spheal got tons of love
god i hope golisopod doesn’t win not because i don’t want it but because it will be agony to draw
Wishi body will feel more natural but are hard to do while whishi heads are easy but feel unnatural
Spriters can have a smol pokemon and a easy time to make the sprite just like thos small versions of pokemon 🤏
spheal, leavanny, or kommo-o
hoping dewspider makes it over golisopod tbh
just cause dewspider got water bubble and the same exact typing
imagine the golisopod angle
not true, it looks like a lot of love due to the same 10 people reposting every 5 minutes
alright then
NOT AS AMBITIOUS AS THIS
Now show me single form head Wishiwashi on snorlax and make it make sense
I literally don't know who people want most
Just have a really small and sad snorlax
Naw man, that wont convince me voting on a sardine
If we go by the results of the last public vote. Golisopod literally was like a few shorts lower than Lycanroc
Maybe... It looks like the ears? Like a fat fish?
it's a water type but no idea which water type it will be
But will people understand who the body is
The results for the last vote were made public? Where can I find it?
Even he agrees
I don't but it's whatever
I don't hate wishi, but there are so many better options
I like it but it will be ass to sprite in a sad way
not the actual list, the one where they showed the top 10 Sprite Week vote
like it
but not worth it
Anyway let's move away from that, too much time talking about it
i agree with this opinion
Joe swanson solo form vs school form
Where was this?
like it was Lycanrock, Golsopod, Ludicolo, Torkoal, Archeops, Walrein, others
It's so complex yet simple
I mean I can see shool form Wishiwashi/Gogoat just be single form but with the shool extending the horns and form the foliage ig?
I dont hate the sardine, its just that it'll be too hard implement in the game. Plus the artist will have a headache over a sardine.
wishiwashi/golurk 👍
Not a good idea. Better just like the big goat head
Or just the front maybe?
I guess creativity wise it would be something
here you go
I love it
SUS
oh who is voting on this mushroom
Big goat head would be Wishiwashi body and gogoat head
Exactly what it says on the tin
now make ditto/amoonguss
genuinely I want to know
me
I love amoonguss
the lowest effort possible
it's my goat
That's Electrode and Voltorb in general
hello chat
Body anyway
welp, doing a quick search, it seems like that results were nuked when they got rid of old new pokemon discussion
what
The True GOAT
midgoat, leavanny is the better grass type
Don't question it, it's a legit mon
ice type magikarp
ok
yeah what hound said
Lowkey like the idea lol
I approve of this message
It takes creativity to not make complicated lol
I'd argue that should be the criteria to look at Wishi under, Simple.
I think you cant compare those 2 mons
Except one type they have nothing in common
swanna/wishiwashi
nah sawsbuck 
I don’t have any ideas for the slideshow I need ideassss
Wishiwashi head fusions could be the school of mini fish in the shape of the body
what slideshow
Have like... Uh... A gallery
And put system of a down music
I Ping you if it worked
hold on I’ll reply on it
And whats the single form
make propaganda for conkeldurr
I don't think my fave will win though
This
fish with a funny ahh head
add the fact it can learn coil
or a miniture version of said pokemon
Same as a fish fusion, but small and sad
An eyeball? I dunno that's freaky
tsarenna is a good poke for food based fusions consider her 1st evo is a strawberry
I did
true actually
*imp
It'd be funny if Wishiwashi head fusions were just a gang of the same pokemon together, like a trio
actually a mangosteen
SUS
👋 bye bye
vote for relicanth, amoonguss and vanilluxe
ight bet
That inside is a bit sus
1 million Magikarp vs 1 lion
Only vanilluxe dood
AMOGUS

uhh looks like people want that sardine...
definitely just food based fusions...
where did the reply go
Wait a school of magikarp in the shape of a gyarados would be cool
ice type magikarp wins
thats the beauty
and the same for feebas and milotic?
I'm accidentally convincing myself for Wishiwashi as 3
I personally am favoring fairy
I love how everytime you try to explain a mon or give a fact its just wrong XD
what about a school of gyarados in the shape of a mega gyarados
not exactly an encylopedia
thats called a kaiju
oh wait
Last propoganda for tonight, My boy adds a New ability, a New move, and is the last Pseudo from gens 1-7 that can be added to the game. He adds fighting type (which is tied to the lowest amount of lines in the game at 13)
A school(?) of minior for a meteor shower
i didnt even notice the slow mode is gone
Night all
we do have a lot of dragons
Not really
but what's one more
we do not have enough fighting types
Wonder if there are slay the princess sprite references, I feel like there is a lot of stuff in that one
dracopult and cold godzilla are playing poker in hell
a bunch of spiritomb to make a reference to the gen 1 ghost
i dont think there is actually
well it reads much like a strawberry, plus my argument still stands
and archaludon
Shame I like some of the transformations
You mean Giratina's Basement
Bro it reads 0 as one
but i'd probably be the one to make the witch tbh
like a strawberry
With what? Mismagius? And Persian?
i just find this image funny honestly
mangosteen
it looks vaguely like some random berry
yeah
more like raspberry...
yeah persian would work
Obv
Still it's *imps and soyboys favorite pokemon
Good luck, thatd be nice to see
yeah, good for desert fusions
no lol
I said that to answer someone who thinks it reminds of one
Nayay
if you look at a ripe one you can see the resemblance better
and doesn't muck up the pokedex with more inanimate objects
true...
Well excuse you I like to ring the Bronzong to announce my inevitable victory
What about Lurantis?
What victory?
What happend
okay but I like inanimate objects as pokemon sometimes
Once the Bell rings it will be too late
Its a cool flower
lurantis is cool
It's a cool bug
plant*
Indeed
I personally enjoy skitty but clearly not a ton do
Skitter Yippee
but again I am fairy biased
Cute
Actually its a flower acting like its a Bug based on a bug acting like a flower
also the bottom of bounsweet is the inside of a mangosteen
Is it worth it eating it
NO
Day 2 of hoping golisopod gets a chance
dont eat the child
OH MY GOD THAT SASS
i actually have drawn
Thats so much sass energy on that cactus
the whimsicott is so cuute
a tsareena fusion
i mistook the meganium for hisui lilligant lol
her boots are based on something
I like that mon so much
Its one of the favs from my besti
peliper is in the running
Tsaamortar
correct
Funny since she reminds me of it too
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH, GEN 9, AAAAAAAAA
That's nice. I like that cacturne it has nice mood
your pfp is a gen 9 pokemon
See, it's *imp material
shusj
I know but it acts as a joke
no imp
yea, its manual modded, you will die comedically within 10 seconds
today i learned tauros is male only and miltank is female only
how could one get banned
I have like 3 times
the eel gallery is completed
what
I come back from the dead you can't get rid of me
all I have to do is redo everything
tauros is the most powerful pokemon
but you wanna know what i think would make interesting fusions
what
yo holy shit is that mega unown
I 100% agree
Just kidding I have accidentally said slang those times and one time I was exposing that Minior is naked
but he reminds me of xatu and xatu gets neglected
Still weird that it has no relation to unown
Sigiglyph?
Ah fun times
Tom Buchanan is the Thumper
Don't worry about it
hes just a sad lil guy, no need to shout :(
Ngl I start to think Jimmy is a sad lone man from how he acts
And that not sparking joy
that series needs to striken from all record and conversation
anyways Lilligant and Tsarenna are excellent picks for grass types
the only pokemon I honestly think has 0 votes is bouffalant
He is a retiree from the times of the pokewar
He served alongside Lte. Surge... It was hard those days
lmao okay
true...
Oh nooo a show
It definetly somehow hurts anyone... Wait it cant
So there is no problem...
You know Jim I appreciate you
Anyway
Lilligant
No one has talked about it
second grass qd user
So first of all Lilligant dances at is own pace that's what it has own tempo for
Lilligant is cool tho
true...
Thing can break through type advantages with Dancing
It's whole line it's dancing theme in case people hadn't realize by the obvious hisuian form
It's feet are dancing tutu shoes
It knows quiver Dance
honestly
And can possibly make use of other stuff
Lilligant FTW
Its a bayblade
Look at those spins
i dont really care about the movesets and abilities of mons added because
like most spriters
true, we do have 4 other pokes based on dances though
i dont play the game
Furthermore it can act as drainer
Shush yall I need inspiration
Its mono type, has the ability to withstand strong hits and top all of it has the versatility to become a nighmare
And thats a fact
How?
Man... I wanted to sleep like 2 hours ago...
Here is the team!
Shuckle @ Mental Herb
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Sticky Web
- Encore
- Final Gambit
Lilligant @ Normalium Z
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Hyper Beam
- Giga Drain
- Sleep Po...
hows it withstanding strong hits it has like 70/75/75 bulk
F L O W E R
FAST
LASTING
OBSTRUCTION
WAR
ELEMENTAL
TACTICS
The power of dance is too much for inelegant swine
And ahem
I wont fall for that Tsareena bait
gave it a 3
Omg Carmine can be a Tsareena alt with a steel type
i love dragalge :)
cmhere
It has class and no need for vulgarity unlike it's cousins

<3
Goober
very true
And that's why... Lilligant should be in the game thank you thank you
i hate him so much istg

he has such a punchable face
You guys are something else lol
Kinda true
It would be funny punching his face
I guess
I swear I should made a slideshow for lilligant
Cuz of his actions or his writing
mhm
After watching that: holy moly
woah woah woah! every character sucks, the worldbuilding is the only good part
also where is my Helluva Boss Evangelion holy fuck
also this series has haunted me for 4 years
the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Grace and elegance... The only mon to be both in perfect measure, Gardevoir wishes it was this refined
Idk Jimmy is weird sometimes
100%
Indeed
Nah girl that marshmallow is not what you think it is
Got it, ill be back in a few mins
I fuse it with machamp
this one too
Nope more like this
Do any of you fellows want Exploud line for the game? It's a old favorite of mine when I used to play Emerald
Just fuse it with the Pseudo-Dragons, make our own set of Dragomaids.
lol
huh?
Gothitelle has small legs
it needs the bows
Still better than whatever con Hatterene is pulling.
I am about to end this mons entire career watch this!
honestly we should do an exchange with gothitelle and jynx
true
add this fucked up baby
TADAAAAAH
Nah throwing away hours of work from other spriters isnt so shakira from anyone
im aware gothitelle has stupid little legs
I hate that
but that doesnt change the fact that it needs the bows
Don't we all...
I know why they did that buut I hate it
no not particularly
Fair point, but gotta admit the torso of reuniclus has to be that size
reuiniclus is baby
yeah, Lilligant has proper legs under those petals
tsarenna would be nice to get our strawberry shortcake/fashion designer on
This is anatomically accurate
Isaac and his Combat Jello.
Still not worth invoking as a psychic type for me, honestly.
surprised there aren't many binding of issac refs. for it
Any proof for the lilligant thing?
Also stop calling it a strawberry 
anyway
thoughts on carbink
Yeah
i have no problem with salazzle i just dont want to sprite it
I would make a fusion of Sableye eating it
don't you dare finish that!
huh?
Why not? It's a fine enough body shape and color
Like spy pose, purple accents
i just dont
strawberry shortcake as in the line of toys aimed at the 5-12 female demographic
tsarenna is apparently a Mangosteen
Funny looking mango if it can kick me in the teeth.
her?
yes
salazzle with Gardevoir purity
oooh
why she vloo?
Do i wanna know what you saw searching that pic?
On one hand, i love how clean your linework is, but. Wheres the blue come from?
why does zerocipher sometimes just randomly react to messages with the gogoat emoji
not randomly
its specifically jim
looks like shes about to talk about bio-polymers
oh ok
noice
Jimmy said Gogoat sucks
Now I react with Gogoat on his messages
goGOAT 
I replaced the company PowerPoint music
give eelektross a 3 if you want
valid
but they're right
Not mine actually, and that's probably the shiny version of gardevoir
See? Staff thinks Salazzle is good choice
... Isnt that more teal than cyan or am i crazy?
hell no
they're talking about gogoat
Salazzle is beans
Goddammit lol
its over then
Nice try 
opinion on gothitelle tho?
Also i kinda just wand salandit to make Kobolds now.
thats a good point...
Maaaan
Why do people hate on Gogoat
It did nothing wrong except being a unique mon for fusions
idk
i like gogoat
If only regionals were allowed to be added in, then some possible fusions would look cool 
because its french idk
Happy?
Methinks their ar ebetter options is all
Probably
Yes and that's Sawsbuck
you didnt answer my question 
the fr*nch....
is sawsbuck a motorcycle

It can be one with a metal pokemon
REAL
Well thinking there are better options and saying it sucks are 2 diffrent things
fair enough
As much as i want gogoat for Shamany shenanigans, the existence of both Tsareena, the Dancing One, and Swasbuck means its probably getting passed on
He said alright as in fine
Gogoat is 
gogoat is going home
from what ive seen, it will probably come down to gogoat and golisopod
Admittedly, i also just want a Gogoat bike reskin.
both have handlebars
i hope its not golisopod
I'm just saying that, but politetly 
why.
Ah really, why?
i dont wanna sprite that
cant wait for aromatise with a do flamingo fusion
Dont expect that...
It maybe just looks like it
There are many haters
then don't
I hope some how its Gourgeist
i wanna finish the spritedex at some point
i mean that would work, it would be the counterpart to trevenant
Isn't gourgeist another trade evo? we got enough Lv.40s
also nice bloom into you pfp
Gourgeist would fit better for a Halloween event tbh
I wouldnt call Sawsbuck antlers handlebars
Skiddo and Gogoats horns are designe after a bike and motor bike
definitely
Also, Sawsbuck would work for christmas given stantler already exists
I will give you that
I want someone to make a Exploud/Electrode that's just a "LET'S FREAKING GOOOOOO" reference
Saws is worse than Gogoat

you are genuinely making your hatred for those shows your entire personality
its kinda gross tbh
I take that win
helluva boss
Idk why but if he doesnt like something others like he makes a big deal out of it...
Often in a mean way
... How the hell did Boss Hate sneak into a pokemon server.
jimmy when someone likes a show about demons
There is no right in opinions
Except its racisms and shit
idk cuz jimmy doesnt like opinions different than his i guess-
If there were HB reacts I would do the exact same thing that cipher is doing rn
its a risk im willing to have if we get some featherboas and plaguedocs
Hot take Swak and Throh feels like they tried to do the gen 1 hitmons and failed miserably which now that I think about it only emphasizes how Unova is Kanto 2
this aint twitter but
I mean, i know we have a few sprites, fuck im using the beedrill / Lycanroc one.
because the HB refs will definitely not be the main sprite
If you have nitro just join a helluva boss discord
no nitro 😔
that sick as hell holy shit
Sad
i want this thing
Jimmy screams rn in tears XD
bro turned into a lime
I just want buizel
you predicted the future
... I thought that was more popular
whoops
could we technically use noctowl for stolas
Should we tell him that the main cast exist as sprites too?
Probably
i think he will literally explode
Decidueye would work better cuz ghost type
Aye, but they already nixed the starters
I love how everybody is just trolling this one guy it’s hilarious
Dw
Hazbin refs exist too
jumpscare
boo
W
Goodbye guys I am off touching grass, make Jim good company won't cha? Byebye
scare
... Why is his eyebrow escaping?
cartoon ig
Wait he will leave the server soon XD
It's a possum
also im taking this gif
You know what
Yeah lets get sawsbuck
I know a ref for it
they're already in hell killing em wont do anything gotta run
Anyways. Furfrou appreciation post, i just want a thick coat variant that isn't bewear.
speedrun alastor sprite
run
people coming in seeing that its descended into hell
I'm going to try my damnedest at the concept art contest
which mon is he hating on, ima give it a 3
Im so happy rn
gogoat
oh, nvm then
💀

that one gets a 2 at best
I hate braviary
Good enough

hes hating on gothitelle and sigilyph trust
he said he hates it give it a 0
What's your opinion on Zangoose & Seviper?
Nah he hates on Gogoat see
also dont forget
Zangoose would have some funky band referenses, but seviper would get the same amount of love as arbok
Dont tell them that im trying to gaslight them
Sawsbuck is superior but that's no reason to put another good pokemon down
hey buffet what’s your opinion on this guy
0, but only because if i vote for it then something I actually want won't get in
... has it always been typhlosions color pallet on a tube sock?
I voted a 1 on lycanroc last time, and it was enough for it to win over Golisopod so never again
aromatise cuz hazbin refs?
A would you rather question: would you rather have cool or elegant looking Pokémon?
No clue
Elegant ✨
Closer to this
You see. I hate aromatisse, but give me Spritzee anyday
Understandable, but which one are you gunning for?
I wouldnt have a single problem with him if he was nice and polite
Like if he just said
"Gogoat isnt my cup of tea but I love Sawsbuck" i would be fine
i dont mind hazbin but if it gets more votes for aromatisse
What does Aromatisse have to do with Hazbin?
oh yeh i hate aromatisse ive voting it for the plague doctor fusions and featherboas
Guys he hates vizie shows
if fucking nosepass can get sprite love, Spritzee can.
||start swearing||
gogoat is trash and i hate them 
honestly not sure
Justice for the Celedon City Petil!
whos fucking nosepass 🤨
why do you just have that lying around?
Its less funny the second time.
Vivzie haters are more obsessed with her shows than the fans lol
i hate aromatisse because it has all the pieces of being able to be my favourite but its just far enough to make me dislike it
if he hates vivziepop hes not gonna like my name
Also, being perfectly honest about it, i had no idea who they were until the hate. So, all publicity truly is good publicity.
I can't wait for someone to recreate the plague doctor walk meme if aromatise gets in
Let Cottonee have her friend back!
His kryptonite is excessive swearing
aromatisse/ferret
I figured boss was just Twitter Darling made manifest.
not a fan
Amoonguss #1 best pokemon RAHH
aromatisse has so much material its crazy, the pokemon sucks but in a fusion it can finally be amazing
you know what else has so much material
Your mom
MY MOM
nazca lines
gigalith? yea you're right
It has negative speed but impressive everything else honestly
no
i do not want to sprite gigalith
Honestly I don't like it. Not because of the among us memes, just because his design is mid.
I just never got to use it because fucking mainline trade evolutions
You try to be a big L dont you
I dunno
It's made out of at least 2 different materials
another wooper to show
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO
do lotad
it would be so silly
if only, fingers crossed for an aromatise regional form
I actually really like Aromatisse as it is.
Regional for a fangame
Spritzee to Miaroma
I dunno
Very strong pokemon with regen spore rage powder pollen puff
And also it's a poke ball mushroom
Now you can get spooked by fake items both indoor and outdoor
... given it evolves with a sachet, isn't it already an inherent plague doctor reference? just in pink?
Imma be afk for a bit, I’ll be back
look at its mask
yes, it is
it fully is but i feel like it could have been done a little better
Pink plague doctor sounds peak
oh yeah i got a plushie of one
it couldve been peak
I mean, it suffers a bit because pokemon is still trying to advocate to children
ive got this one
this fuckin chat distracted me from the fact that i needed to make dinner
bonk
go eat
aromatise feels like a middle evo (so does swirlix for that matter)
consume
thats because.. swirlix is... a pre-evolution..
oven is preheating :)
(Uber eats is calling to you)
anyways post lilligant
mhmm tho some pokemon just kill children so like they gotta pick a lane
i like his assistant more than i like him
1: I don't consider competitive aspects in the design of it
2: that's pretty much all it is design wise, a mushroom with a pokeball pattern on it. And even then it's just a bigger foongus
aromatisse was made in the same generation as phantump
and also yveltal
I mean 90% of ghost type pokemon are made of dead kids, but the pokedex is basically non canon since we as trainers write it.
Just what it can add is very useful to a ton of fusions
wait i just realized
And Lucaria is from the generation as drifloon
Lyleen but better
imagine aromatise getting an evo in a future game
petilil wand
Damn design got worse
huh?

On one hand, is nice.
on the other hand, Grass/Psychic is basically unusable
hey
it aint ice/rock
It Is Damn Close
not even
i mean its a win win i dont play the game
it aint psychic/dark either
One 4x and one 2x isnt even that bad.
If we were to get another mushroom pokemon I would prefer Shinotic because it's a bioluminescent mushroom with some nice pastel purples.
But is it spherical?
ZERO RESISTANCES
its lower body is oval
There is nothing on this earth you cant hit neutrally.
Tsareena is a viable alternative
NO IT HAS NO RESISTANCES
AT ALL
NONE
That adds something to them that Voltorb & Parasect don't have already
I KNOW
ITS ON MY TEAM YOU DINGLEBERRY
it has 5 resistances according to Bulbapedia
SHUT UP YOU SHINGLESHMORT
I think he means ice rock, grass psychic obviously resists grass and psychic
Also i support anything that comes out of a goodra, just appreciating its existence.
according to bulbapedia you are WRONG
OI! THIS IS A CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD PEOPLE, ENOUGH WITH THIS FOUL LANGUAGE!
SILENCE YOU DINKLEDONK
I do like shiinotic too just prefer amoonguss
(A fairy type sporer would be nice too)
tsarenna only has 4 resistances sorry
The correct answer
I'll take mono grass for Trop Kick and Stomp being on its evo page.
basically if not literally guaranteed attack down on hit makes it good for neutral
THIS TYPING IS WHY HOOPA IS IN RUBL WITH THESE STATS
... What does russian currency have to do with it?
ru bl
rarely used banlist
also its ruble you illiterate sherkleshork
Yooo Pelipper chance to get in I don’t hate it
Also, 80 speed 60 defense.
all the resistances in the world aint helping those stats
160 attack
170 special attack
130 special defense
To be fair lowkix is in uu
It's not bad, but I'm not excited about it
Tell that to tyrantrum
100 base power signature move
..121 attack.
Or, no.. fuck, who was the poster child for that
rampardos
gimme a sec
rampardos
1/12 is about the odds of last raffle, so good so far
Thats the bitch, thank you
also rampardos has no bulk at all
or speed
Doesn't matter if one of the top mons of uu is a bug type
... Whom?
hoopa has really bad physical def
Tinted Lens first impression lmao
Lowkix
It keeps it out of uu
and mid speed
130 special defense
the fuck is a lowkix.
U turn:
That's crazy
... god im turning into a pokeboomer.
doesn't matter, 1 good physical move and its done
The first bug/dark type. I used it on my main playthrough
The first good low stat bug type
it doesnt even have to be a good physical by the way, it dies to Priority
so? look at kartanas special defense
thats still in ou
whats karts speed?
109, not really that fast especially with the current meta
hold that thought what the fuck are protective pads
thats a gen 8 item??
Kartana runs a vest to patch that up and it's fine since its other stats are good
31
Honestly I know there are better options but I just really want Seviper. It's my favorite
Still works
50% BOOST ISNT GOING TO HELP IT WHEN THE HIGHTS ITS SPECIAL DEFENSE CAN GO IS 177
seviper and zangoose is the best package deal tbf
It can afford to invest to allow it to survive a special hit
Since other stats are good
Anything so long as its not the monkeys is a good deal.
Look me in the eyes and tell me the last time you used panpour
252 SpA Charizard Ember vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 208-252 (80.3 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
ember.
e m b e r .
That's a 4x effective move 
Just dont get hit smh
Even then, most package deals are too similar to justify picking them.
40 base power
And?
As much as i want illumise, i recognize volbeat is just an echo fighter effectively
Kartana is good because of its 181 attack and good enough speed, not bulk
It still runs assault vest
131*
NO. IT DOESNT.
IT RUNS SCARF, BAND, AND PROTECTIVE PADS
NO, ITS 181
It literally does
131 defence
I like illumise. Volbeat is way too dopey for my liking
It runs assault vest and focus sash
oh wait i misread attack and dfense sorry
whos running pads
smogon
Vgc
WHO THE FUCK
Plus it would give us a legitimate source of Tail Glow.
also thats WITH LIFE ORB OR WHITE HERB
It was a highly used mon in vgc sun and moon
Tail Glow on a pokemon with a garbage special attack and no coverage though...
tell that to all the people running bibarel for simple
gen 7.
the competitive tier from.. two gens ago
I mean this game is gen 7

stapling it to bidoof would be really funny tho
and who the fuck is going to run assault vest on a fucking kartana
Many people
Its a good ability that gives it even more of a stat boost with better typing
Actually now that I think about it, they are offering enough in design to make interesting fusions that don't overlap with eachother like +&- or 🌞🌛
stupid people
Plus i was more thinking of smeargle warcrimes than actually using volbeat
ignorant
Volbeat has 47 special attack, Bibarel has 85 attack
I don't care about stats, I care about designs
Bug has, and i cant believe im saying this with a straight face, applicable resistances
as I said, hillarious
question, who here voted 3 on dragalge, toxocroak, or gastrodon
Entirely outclassed by flying defensively imo
also if you run competitive assault vest, would you max out the special defense stat?
is that furry artist Smeargle???
... Toxicroak was even on that list?
No
ok so
You wouldn't fully invest
Assault Vest is used in VGC for Kartana, not singles though
Tsareena has 120 atk and 72 speed
When you have his bst, you do what you gotta do to get by
yep, the coolest frog was there
252 SpA Abomasnow Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 0+ SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 204-240 (78.7 - 92.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
92 special attack, non stab, 2x with 80 bst
oh wait, sorry, its still a +spd nature
Toxicroak yes, gastrodon & dragalge I gave a 2
252 SpA Abomasnow Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 222-262 (85.7 - 101.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
what would it take to convince ya of the other two
Another 4x
ITS A GRASS/STEEL TYPE???
Oop
Its enough to live most neutral special hits
Gastrodon was a 3, toxicroak didnt exist as far as i saw, and dragalge is a hard 0 from me.
FIGHTING ISNT STRONG AGAINST GRASS?? WHAT ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT??
It's enough to live neutral
Dragalgae was a 3 for me
That's what it's speced for
like i asked gage, what would it take to convince you of the others?
Cant say i'm budging for much, I already have a top 15 on 3 votes.
Nothing really. I'm fine with giving them a 2.
Being able to live a hit is useful
a small loan of publicly sharing your bank account details in general
252 SpA Charizard Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 255-301 (98.4 - 116.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
only 109 special attack
nothing against it personally, theres just enough on that list that i want infinitely more than another noodle
(and timid)
(not modest)
Noodle?
I know they have great fusion potential, I'm just not as passionate for them as I am with Seviper or Aromatisse
stupid embed
AV Kart ran a little bit of bulk to live relevant special moves
how much special bulk
lets be nice and give it.. 100 evs in spd
Furfrou, Salandit, Lilligant, Tsareena, Maractus, Mudsdale, Lurantis, Diggersby.
you get my point.
Anyways time for more propoganda
0 spd
i just gave it 100 💀
lets take a relevant threat like uhh... darkrai ig
92 HP164 SpD252 Spe
Its a dragalge kind of night
much appreciated
they really didnt want to commit to giving it a mouth sprite, did they? that literally just disssapeared into its collar.
Honestly I like Steenee more than Tsareena, and I like Tsareena more than most pokemon. I feels like she's trying too hard to be all that while Steenee is really damn cute.
maybe if they gave dragalge 90 hp id give it a 3
They should have given Dragalgae recover
dark pulse is a 2hko which.. i guess is aight, but it will be outsped and sacred sword only has a 6% chance to ohko (without any attack investment)
we can have both
cute sprite = steenee
cool sprite = tsareena
dragalge is a spriter's DREAM, its so unique and has super vibrant colors
same with goodra tbh
and ball sprite
Slowly back to setting up the new Pokemon murder games
yes also adaptability and good typing
I also vote dragalge though not 3
Whatever wins it gets an extra point from my votes
Saying it politely, its basically Seadras evil counterpart in a shonen manga
Sprite wise, we could do better for varieties sake.
||Kelp Shake||
It was mostly speced out to live tapu lele hits then ohko it
dr kelp
genuinely havent seen any seadra sprites, are they really that similar besides species?
Y'all got Kelp Zero?
Slurpuff is one of my top mon for variety, it's like how Mimikyu or Doublade basically add a new tier of things for sprites
hello i liek minior ok bye
pardon, Kingdra. i got the 2nd and 3rd mixed up
I thought that said minor for a sec
i do that all the time lol
what
Then I also like Drampa for the possibility of Old people mons
I fucked up the evolution lines naming order
Same holy hell
I LOVE ARSON
Fair enough
but i did see a dragaldra earlier
admittedly it could fill its own niche, but its wedged firmly between Kingdra and ... spooky anchor fucker whos name i keep forgetting because its a 1% goddamn encounter rate
In my mind
dhelmise?
Aye. Dhelmise feels like it could do all the kelpy sprite leanings that it would.
honestly im surprised Dhelmise/Kingdra isnt a reference
it has damn near the same color scheme lol
also i just now noticed
those who were here for the last votes know im a major dhelmise hater
sir what is that pfp
yo is infinite infusers on cinnabar?
i remember you from last vote but idk why you hate dhelmise
Lopunny/Smeargle, i dont think it actually got accepted but i yoinked it when i saw it
Oh yeah I made this
send me the image for the funny 
it looks very silly
bold of you to assume i still have it saved
its an objectmon but mid, super overrated, i just dont like em =T
fair enough
#1068706453646487642 message Thankfully its still on here
Also had no idea if linking would work like that, glad it does
Its admittedly tongue in cheek with rule 2 so i could see why they passed it, but it was too cute not to save
My tag is literally the token furry, you know what your getting into.
pls tell me it was just a tail pls tell me it was just a tail pls tell me it was just a tail pls tell me it was just a tail
its just its tail
headtilt

Anyways, back on topic, Dragalge. Would be fine sprite and stat wise, it just feels uninspired with what options are on the table.
Why did that ping there. i told it not to like twice
Yeah I was wondering that. It has nothing to do with the image
so do we know if theres a gen limit on the new pokemon vote? cause ill literally wage a war to get Tinkaton put in the game
gen 8+
This is my favorite dragalge sprite ive found, how is this uninspired
Image is cute, by the way, just reminds me of a Lilo and Stitch specimen
It's only from gens 3 - 7
so yes to tinka?
No
no
damn
this makes me sad
no 75 base attack stat
i want a sword weilding tinka
do we have a beta octillery sprite?
We can reference it
octillery/chansey maybe. just make it eggshell colored.
this sprite won the non-if fusion challenge, it's really well done
If you flared the bottom of the staff, and shifted the brown around a bit, it could have been a dhelmise instead.
Whats the other half, Zoroark? Lucario?
?
... this side of delphox, really
nah, dhelmise doesnt have that red or those vibrant purples
I mean the wheel itself is a pokeblock kinda purple but it wouldn't be as bright, no.
shrug
Dunno what to tell you man, it just doesn't pass the vibe check for me.
Same as malamar.
Not wingull taking center stage, i love 2 see it
And i'm a druddigon advocate, so i don't know what goes on in my head sometimes
Druddigon's bright colours are dope
Plus the rocky design
Who knows you could make a lego fusion
my first thought was a porygon fusion thats just Block Dragon from Yugioh. Or just, literally legos.
My most favorite team in all Pokemon playthroughs I had included Simipour, which was my fav Water type before gen 7 and Primarina came out
That's who
They ain't horrible tbh
Gotta love the monkes, but I agree, taking away a slot for them in IF isn't smart
Unfortunately 
I love em with all my heart
They just dont feel good to use, honestly. Gluttony is next to useless unless your doing belly drum stuff, and you have to do the nidorino thing where you wait until like 40 to stone evolve it
those who want the new starters to be added should vote for them 
I mean, gimme a Simisage/hawlucha thats just Johnny Bravo.
But i dont like 'em.
Also should probably be machoke, just take a page from the armstrong sprite.
... I'm almost mad the only thing i remember from my B/W playthrough is the mullet monkey, thinking about it.
And sigilyth causing me no end of hell.
I voted 3 for them
What about marshadow
Simipour would be a lot better if it wasn't in a trio
(In general, not for the vote)
Simipour
Simisage
Simisear
That's how I rank them.

Honestly they should give us a sea monkey pokemon so we have a water monkey that isnt the trio
I like them so much that my gf went all out and found three figurines of Panpour, Pansear and Pansage back from gen 5 days
They deserve that tbh
Like, we’re dunking on them here, and simisear was at the bottom of that favorite Pokemon ranking that happened. But they’re not inherently bad
Monki > Luvdisc
