pif-hoenn-discussion

[arctic glacier]

I absolutely agree with Clawitzer being dope, there's too many cool water type Pokemon

[fleet halo]

My top 10 is like Golisopod Mienshao Clawitzer Pangoro Malamar Kommo-o Lurantis Salazzle Drapion Hariyama

[stuck bane]

good point on clawitzer, only mon with mega launcher, even though it doesn't affect a ton of moves, it does open up a ton of potential on fusions, especially with that great special attack stat, clawitzer considered

[arctic glacier]

I can't advocate for both Golisopod and Clawitzer because I think we already have too many Water types in the game

[stuck bane]

should kommo-o and salazzle be considered? unique ability on salazzle and kommo-o brings clangorus scales plus other aspects

[white meadow]

Kommo-o removes Clagorus Scales from other mons tutor lists

[fleet halo]

Does it, bc I think we still have other move tutors for signature moves of mons that are now in the game

It's Clanging Scales btw lol

[stuck bane]

yeah it removes clangorus scales on other mons, but brings more fighting types with other aspects, oh sorry clanging scales

[silent acorn]

I mean you can just deny luvdisc and give some points to Alomomola atleast that way it's above luvdisc

[fleet halo]

Kommo-o being a decent mon w/ Soundproof would be kinda funny for competitive with the Noiverns running rampant and I just think Salazzle looks cool and has a cool ability even if it's not a very good one

[stuck bane]

ok ok, but alomomola definitely isnt the top 20, it isnt even top 20 from unova let alone entire game

@silent acorn better?

[silent acorn]

Yeah but it is atleast middle ground it's not as crap as luvdisc

Eh works I guess atleast priority is different now

[fleet halo]

Why are we denying Throh maaaaan

[silent acorn]

Wynaut

[stuck bane]

they're too similar, believe me they have reasons, I'm unova man, but they're not hitting top 20 thats just a fact

[sharp nebula]

probably because it sucks 👍

[silent acorn]

It does suck

[fleet halo]

I wanna use stab sniper storm throw

[silent acorn]

I would say furfrou is definetely the best normal type left along with Komala. They have really busted abilities

[stuck bane]

oh wow it is the only fighting type to get storm throw naturally, I'll add that to the list

[fleet halo]

Plus it would be funny to give every pokemon a gi

The unfortunate part of that is that people are gonna expect Sawk and Sawk actually has no sawce

[silent acorn]

Huh it does get that weird

Alright fair Throh deserves a bit more respect for being different with that atleast +1 point

[stuck bane]

sawk has some stuff, but yes stab storm throw on a type that isn't bug fighting is a good reason

[silent acorn]

I still don't want the red Muppet tho

[white meadow]

Than use it as body

[vernal pumice]

Fuse with politoed to get buff Kermit

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-cute-kermit-gif-21081137

[stuck bane]

@fleet halo Bert/Ernie: adds more fighting types, Sawk brings great attack, and Throh brings great hp and good attack, and Sawk is the only fighting type to get sturdy (heracross but instead of needing a focus sash you have a free slot for an item?), also brings judo/karate/belt fusions and fusions of wearing a martial arts Gi for different Pokémon, Throh is also the only pure fighting type with access to bind, and Throh is the only Pokémon besides greninja that can learn mat block, Throh is also the only Pokémon besides pinsir to get storm throw naturally

I wish you luck in trying to convince people

[fleet halo]

I did forget ab sturdy which could be kinda funny

[stuck bane]

this is really difficult, should we just make it these 3? the next iteration of NGS? LGD? DGL?

[fleet halo]

What do these letters mean

[stuck bane]

NGS was the group that advocated for Necrozma Golisopod Scolipede, called NGS, they got really close to getting goliso in and got the other 2 in too

[white meadow]

LGG
Lilligant, Golisopod and Gogoat

[fleet halo]

Oh I see

[stuck bane]

but why gogoat, it makes fine fusions but what puts it on par with the first 3?

[arctic glacier]

add Carbink to denied, no reason for it to exist when Diancie does

[white meadow]

He talks about me and 2 other leaders
Im the S

[white meadow]

That its is fantastic

[stuck bane]

and....?

[stuck bane]

fair

[arctic glacier]

Unless they fix things and make Carbink evolve into Diancie lol

[white meadow]

Fun Coverage
Great designe
Fine abilitys
Good stats to fuse with cuz you can use bodys and heads
Short version of 3 things

[fleet halo]

Gogoat has surprisingly decent head stats and it does have a signature ability albeit not a very good one
It's mostly a style pick, Gogoat's design is cool and I wanna fuse with it

I would have preferred it over Trevenant for a Horn Leech user

[white meadow]

Even as body it works well

[fleet halo]

Gourgeist is my preferred Grass/Ghost type

[stuck bane]

yeah it's style, but how does it compare to any of ribbon's diancies? how does it compare to golisopod's design and only mon with access to first impression? how does it compare to lilligant's reasons of counterparts and overworld mon and so much more?

[fleet halo]

It has a lot less going for it with Trevenant's addition for sure, but before that it was a contender imo

[stuck bane]

gogoat is the highest hp grass type, but it needs more

[white meadow]

Overworld mons is a worse reason tho
And its a bad reason to say "that mon is great cuz a pro spriter uses it to practise"

[stuck bane]

I'll at least put it in consideration

[white meadow]

Like 100% sure Ribbon could make sick Luvdisc or Marshadow but that doesnt make them good

[fleet halo]

Gouirgeist is a better design for fusing, a lot of Trevenant's fusions are unappealing to look at imo

Like the spriters did good work but the concept is just cursed

[stuck bane]

actually gourgeist has good reasons and is a counterpart, gourgeist can be considered

[white meadow]

Literally

[fleet halo]

There's too many cool Grass-types man, how crazy would it be to have Queenly Majesty on an actually usable mon

[stuck bane]

also this list of considerations is getting big, who are we cutting? stuff like staraptor and pheromosa?

[cobalt river]

i appreciate the confidence in me but i do wanna say i think diancie is legit fun for fusions- the gems are nice to work with, and the pink princess/wedding aesthetic its got build in is pretty unique too! body wise ill admit its less interesting but the rock can be worked with in multiple ways

[white meadow]

dazzling?

[weak trellis]

I mean tsar's great for its in-game use

trop kick is delicious in the gens where most bosses are large singular targets rather than varied but less individually strong mons (7 mostly, 8 and 9 as well to an extent)

[stuck bane]

I mean queenly majesty is basically dazzling but on a grass type, has its reasons, but I don't think its that high at the end of the day

[weak trellis]

yea tsar has good points but QM isn't it compared to trop kick

[fleet halo]

I would cut Furfrou cuz I hate it and Fur Coat is a boring ability and the UBs because they would FUCK up competitive

[empty pendant]

it'd be really cute to have carbink with diancie if the way you get diancie is by helping a carbink a s c e n d

[white meadow]

Oh btw sorry if it sounded like I mean Diancie is bad I like it
I just talked about his reasoning

[weak trellis]

I mean people love azumarill as it is but that's an offensive ability compared to fur coat's defensive one

[fleet halo]

Huge Power is also banned

[white meadow]

What do the UBs bring?

[weak trellis]

as it should be lol

[empty pendant]

given the dex entries are like "yeah diancie is a transformed carbink"

[stuck bane]

mostly those two specifically for more fighting types, but it surprisingly seems like mienshao is above them so I'm willing to cut them, I think the idea is that we want fighting types encountered before postgame anyways

[weak trellis]

tbh my biggest "no" is wurmple just because the evo method being random is dumb but thats an imo thing

[white meadow]

furfrou hate 👍

[arctic glacier]

The UBs are very much tied to their base game, Frog shouldn't have to add in Ultra wormhole events lol. They get enough love in other games.

[fleet halo]

I also don't quite understand what we're doing with Komala

[stuck bane]

komala and furfrou both bring crazy abilities, but one or both being cut does make sense

[weak trellis]

outside of that my two most hated mons are either gen 1 related (smoochum) or fail the gen 8/9 test (thwakey)

[stuck bane]

furfrou also brings the designs so I'd probably say cut komala

[white meadow]

If you want a fighter before Post game (maybe even early game) add Croagunk
He would fit on the routes you normaly catch stuff like ekans or Drowzee

[arctic glacier]

I also unfortunately remember hearing that Kommo-o is a hard NO. I can't provide a source though,

[white meadow]

they could have done something cool with tera since the whole gimmick is quite literally crystals

[weak trellis]

yea out of the two komala is probably my pick even if I like furf more

[prime dust]

i see nothing wrong with a fighting dergin

[weak trellis]

or have a phone manaphy relationship

[empty pendant]

imagine a fun little sidequest where you can only transform one carbink into a diancie rather than it being a standard evo and you have to use the typical method of getting more of a legendary to get more diancie from there but it's still your carbink you used in terms of nature and IVs and met location and everything

[stuck bane]

kommo-o was just denied in this update specifically because there's so many dragons already, it could be considered for future votes

[weak trellis]

makes sense, we do have a dragon (and ghost I think) bloat atm

[stuck bane]

yes people love their ghost and dragon types, anyways loathe my heart to say it, probably cut leavanny since lurantis is an option?

[fleet halo]

I agree w/ that

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/croagunk-pokemon-pokemon-croagunk-scizor-meta-claw-gif-17533391603436057108

[stuck bane]

and if we're taking out furfrou and komala, cinccino is probably out as well

[white meadow]

im fine with that

[fleet halo]

Cinccino is just an Ambipom people don't hate looking at

[stuck bane]

any other major cuts we can think of? mythicals since we're already decided on diancie?

[empty pendant]

yeahhh statwise it's Ambipom But A Little Better
visually way cuter

okay what the heck is musharna contributing besides "hi, I'm a better-looking baku line than drowzee"

[stuck bane]

overworld mon, but yeah, not alot, out it goes

[white meadow]

Pig fetus

[stuck bane]

since I doubt we wanna add all the pure fairy types, do we wanna make any cuts there? comfey or aromatisse or?

[fleet halo]

I don't really care for Gothitelle, ig having a second shadow tag user is good but it's not different enough from wobbuffet imo

[white meadow]

that's quite an odd way to look at musharna

[stuck bane]

fair point

[empty pendant]

gothitelle is really different from wobbuffet idk what you're talking about. it's way less passive

[arctic glacier]

Slurpuff knocks Aromatisse out of the running

[fleet halo]

People tend to build it about as passive and I just don't think it's as impactful as other choices when shadow tag is the clear draw

I'm biased vs the gen 6 fairies I don't like how almost any of them look

[empty pendant]

gothitelle would be a shadow tag user whose side of the fusion contributes actual stats and movepool

[stuck bane]

Gothitelle def has potential, esp as wobbuffet not dependent on its fusion partner, but I don’t think it makes top 20 anyways:

Gothitelle: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only way to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk, also the only psychic type with access to play nice, and the only pure psychic type with access to tickle naturally, it also brings goth names like gothkid, gothqueen, goth jr., etc.

[fleet halo]

Wobbuffet is the better shadow tag user for catching roaming mons due to bulky stats which is what most people are using shadow tag for in-game

[empty pendant]

also gothitelle head fusions would be a fantastic gothic monochrome vibe

[stuck bane]

nobody seems to be arguing for aromatisse, fair cut

[empty pendant]

gothitelle reshiram would be so fucking elegant

[white meadow]

Gothitell is all Sylveon head fusions but in Goth change my mind

[zinc prairie]

Big paragraph for people that only look at Shadow Tag

[stuck bane]

hell yeah, gothitelle line has some amazing ones in spritework, but I don't think its top 20 material

[fleet halo]

Idk just not a fan of waifu mons lol, I'm not that interested in seeing 500 maid pokemon

[white meadow]

maid?

[arctic glacier]

I also don't see a world where Ghourgeist makes it in. Weird stat differences between different sizes, exact same typing as Trevenant (Which was already deemed the Halloween representative over Ghourgheist the "Pumpkin Pokemon")

[feral bear]

They are equals stop!!!!!

[fleet halo]

Yea gourgeist wouldn't be top 20 anymore, altho it is cooler than trevenant

[empty pendant]

you don't have to go maid with gothitelle head, you can go black and white vaguely vampire-esque with bows

[fleet halo]

No but like people definitely are going to go maid

[feral bear]

Aromatisse is my lil fat bih

[white meadow]

Maid Gard

[arctic glacier]

You have Bruxish and Jynx

[empty pendant]

I won't, I'll just make Celestia Ludenberg from dangit ronpaul

[feral bear]

I need all my pure fairies to make sableyes with

[white meadow]

Aromatisse is a war crime

[stuck bane]

any other objections or cuts? otherwise, mienshao and pangoro are our only fighting types up here, do we think we like one of them better or?

[white meadow]

Frog

[fleet halo]

I like them both, Pangoro has great abilities and Parting Shot and cool typing and is a panda and I've already covered Mienshao

[feral bear]

Wait why are cosmog and its family denied!!!!!

[stuck bane]

im sure all 9 of the fairy type heads will make it in someday, but getting like florges/aromatisse/slurpuff/comfey/xerneas in the same update seems a little extreme

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/toxicroak-tuesday-gif-22972910

[stuck bane]

too many slots, we're trying to narrow down to 20 slots as if it were another vote announcement

[arctic glacier]

frog bias

[empty pendant]

I love pumpkaboo but we do not need another physical grass ghost

[white meadow]

nah, all fairies update for valentines 🔥

[feral bear]

I would like 2 see it

[white meadow]

Croagunk/Gardevoir could be a Imobilized Brock behind a gard

[stuck bane]

hmmmmm, toxicroak considered, but why above mienshao and pangoro?

[feral bear]

Let me get cosmog line and wurmple line

[stuck bane]

oh true croagunk brings that as well, anime references would go hard

[fleet halo]

I like Toxicroak but I don't think it's better than either and it would also be kind of cursed to fuse with, the base design is already doing too much

[feral bear]

Toxicroak is fugly

[empty pendant]

I think Mienshao is more fun because it's a fighting type that does things differently than most other fighting types, and gets regenerator

[arctic glacier]

Toxicroak can also be mixed which is cool

[feral bear]

Mienshao and her sister medicham plz

[white meadow]

We need more non Kanto Poison types
He is fighting type
He is a legend from the anime only letting Brock slide when he saw Cynthia
He gives more frog aesthetic
Kinda ninja like

[arctic glacier]

more lips

[stuck bane]

since we're in need of that many fighting types, are we willing to settle on 2 fighting type lines? toxicroak and mienshao?

[fleet halo]

I still think Pangoro does a lot more than toxicroak

[arctic glacier]

It's definitely Mienshao vs. Pangoro for me

[white meadow]

I prever the frog over the Panda

[fleet halo]

I also think Mienshao does more than Toxicroak lol

[stuck bane]

I love pangoro, swept a pro once with a pancham, but I don't think it compares, if pangoro does compare what does it have over toxicroak/mienshao?

[fleet halo]

Pangoro has crazy abilities and Parting Shot and is a panda

[stuck bane]

I think I also remember hearing we need more dark types too

[empty pendant]

we do need more dark types

[feral bear]

Pangoro has bansho fusions

[fleet halo]

Toxicroak is literally forcing its way on the list on anime plot armor alone why is it being considered 💀

[white meadow]

Pangoro has Kung Fu panda referenz sprites than for the people that are crazy for referenzes
Also jojo

[fleet halo]

I love my boy but cmon now

[stuck bane]

why the fuck are they like being all considered equally, I'm tempted to say fuck it and put all 3 there

[arctic glacier]

Toxicroak has a ton of personality

[zinc prairie]

What anime screen time has Toxicroak taken I thought it was all Croagunk hitting Brock in the nuts

[stuck bane]

although one or two may be cut later

[empty pendant]

toxicroak does not belong here

[fleet halo]

They're... they're bundled.

[white meadow]

I search toxicroak fusions as a reason for him

[arctic glacier]

Frog fusions for the frog god

[stuck bane]

lots of toxicroak, not a whole lot of croagunk despite easy anime references

[feral bear]

If we r doing a frog id rather just grenibja

[stoic rain]

What's the appeal of Mienshao?

[feral bear]

She slays and she eats

[fleet halo]

Fast regenerator/reckless user with cool fusions

[stuck bane]

Mienshao: adds more fighting types, great attack, and good special attack and speed, and the only fighting type with access to regenerator, also can bring shaolin martial arts references to differentiate from Sawk and Throh, and is the only pure fighting type to learn aura sphere (it lends itself to being a good special attacker too)

[arctic glacier]

I'm all for finishing the Gen 4 dex - Lumineon excluded

[stuck bane]

in the interest of moving along, I'm adding all 3, but it may be subject to change later, 9 slots left

[zinc prairie]

IF Little Cup stocks looking to rise with Mienfoo

[feral bear]

Excuse me why is liligant there over tsareena we TALKED about this

[fleet halo]

Personally I don't see the issue

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-just-fight-basketball-wives-bbw-gif-8633526

[stuck bane]

tsareena brings trop kick, and dazzling on a grass type, but 3 slots is alot, does it have any other reasons to be up there?

[zinc prairie]

you just don’t understand the cultural implications to the yass community

[feral bear]

Jojo staff pick

[stuck bane]

know what, fine, deal

[arctic glacier]

I'd vote for Tsareena, but we delete Bounsweet so it's only two slots

[empty pendant]

either lurantis or malamar needs to be up for contrary

[fleet halo]

Malamar is free

[zinc prairie]

Nobody uses Trop Kick on Tsareena it’s got POWER WHIP

[stuck bane]

is this acceptable?

[agile olive]

we have most of the interesting ones right?

[empty pendant]

grass and dark both need more reps, so lurantis and malamar are both solid

[stuck bane]

oh yeah contrary user for sure, serperior denied for too many slots, but malamar vs lurantis is an interesting one

[fleet halo]

Yall gotta stop this slander

[feral bear]

Ugh malamar and lurantis are both so lovely

[agile olive]

we have houndour, murkrow and zoroark...that's more than g/s/c 😛

[white meadow]

Croagunks mouth is so silly

[empty pendant]

lurantis lets you put stripey pajama pants on things or make pretty frilly magical girls, malamar has the deep sea glow squid aesthetic...

[stuck bane]

no, he's right, scrafty/pangoro/malamar/etc. are all great dark types that we dont hve yet

[cobalt river]

lurantis would be really nice to make fusions with :]

[empty pendant]

if it were up to me I would simply add Both malamar and lurantis

[stuck bane]

im considering it...

[zinc prairie]

Ima casually insert Mandibuzz

[fleet halo]

Crawdaunt Drapion Pangoro Malamar Skuntank kind of

[feral bear]

Welp the queen has spoken, lurantis it is

[agile olive]

I have no idea wtf is dark type any more. scrafty would be cool and I'm open to pangoro

[arctic glacier]

Drapion Rizz

[vernal pumice]

Slurpuff line to the top 20: only 2 slots, much needed fairy type, and could be used to make cool desert themed fusions

[stuck bane]

im fine for a grass type push, lurantis it is, but if we have 2 slots remaining malamar would be a good second addition, agreed?

or switch out one of the fighting types too, thats an option

[agile olive]

I like drapion in general but it's not in my top and we already have scolipede which is quite similar in design

[empty pendant]

we could swap pangoro for malamar to get our dark on

[fleet halo]

Drapion has sniper cross poison and p different stats (jk the stats are v similar)

[arctic glacier]

Yeah, Drapion is just a personal fave and I won't accept slander

[empty pendant]

keep toxicroak and mienshao for fighting

[zinc prairie]

What fairy slot, they’re almost all in LOL all that’s missing besides that is the Tapus

[white meadow]

Doesnt it also have the non crit ability

[arctic glacier]

Battle aaarmooooor

[fleet halo]

Yea but that's lame

[agile olive]

I was sad when kommo-o was vetoed for there being too many dragons. cos I really like him

[feral bear]

Theres a very small amount of fairies period, so they are still underrepresented

Lichrally 2 fairy heads rn

[stuck bane]

malamar is now at top of consideration, though we are lacking fairies, are we thinking slurpuff and comfey, or bring back aromatisse, or?

[arctic glacier]

I'm allergic to three stage Pokemon and Legendaries

[agile olive]

I think I would take pangoro over malamar, but malamar has more interesting design potential. I don't think we have a tentacle mon yet but we have 10 fuckin fish

[empty pendant]

please consider fast-tracking ribombee

[feral bear]

I am absolutely gunning and riding for aromatisse

[agile olive]

no tropius or torkoal 😦

[stuck bane]

also if we're down for replacing pangoro for malamar I'm down for that too

[zinc prairie]

Cosmog

[fleet halo]

god.

[mystic crystal]

You already know who my fairy vote is 🍰

[cobalt river]

slurpuff for the win

[agile olive]

like I know tropius is basically meganium who is already overlooked, but I just think it's neat

[empty pendant]

ribombee is fast, fairy, an Actually Good Bug Type, cute yellow color scheme, cute scarf, quiver dance

[cobalt river]

ribombee would also be really great actually yeah, agree

[white meadow]

Yesss let us turn our pc around

[mystic crystal]

Ribombee is my second pick though yeah

[stuck bane]

I'd really want ribombee too, but we're lacking fairy type heads especially, and diancie is already here

[fleet halo]

I hate looking at ribombee and we have other mons that do its job better, it just has fairy privilege

[vernal pumice]

love banana boi

[white meadow]

You act like we dont have any good bugs in pif yet

[arctic glacier]

Tentacruel

[white meadow]

but diancie is primary rock

[empty pendant]

we may have a lot of the good bug types but most bug types are still bad

[white meadow]

i mean it is a fast web setter

That doesnt change when we add a Fashion bee

[fleet halo]

Galvantula

[white meadow]

it's faster?

[white meadow]

We have a gimmik called fusing
That alters pokemons stats

[fleet halo]

Ok but that's just power scaling galvantula lol

[white meadow]

well a fusion of ribombee would still be faster than a galvantula fusion soo

[stuck bane]

these plus comfey are our fairies, added ribombee just cause I want it too, but at the very least I'd want to add one fairy type head (and pangoro has been replaced by malamar for now)

[fleet halo]

When I said there are mons that do its job better I was specifically thinking of quiver dance but galvantula is already v annoying in competitive without being impossible to outspeed 💀

[white meadow]

ig

[stuck bane]

also brought back aromatisse since there was slight demand and its a counterpart

[fleet halo]

I hate it but continue

[stuck bane]

I personally am thinking slurpuff

[zinc prairie]

FREE TRIAGE

[white meadow]

I think we should add a regional Scolipede

[fleet halo]

A huh

[white meadow]

[arctic glacier]

Stat wise Slurpuff doesn’t really do much. But it gives Sticky Web, Belly drum, Unburden (Even though Unburden doesn’t function in this game)

[stuck bane]

comfey being a pure fairy with triage is also tempting though, its between that and slurpuff I think

[white meadow]

yeah a fire scolipede and a ice volcarona, it would be so cool if those existed

[mystic crystal]

My fairy order would be, from most to least:
Slurpuff, Ribombee, Florges/Aromatisse, Xerneas, Comfey

[fleet halo]

Seems like none of the speed boosting moves do rip

[agile olive]

I would prefer shaymin over xerneas

[mystic crystal]

I just think Comfey is a bit similar to Klefki in terms of role and body-shape

[fleet halo]

Except, y'know, speed boost cuz that explicitly raises ur speed stage

[arctic glacier]

Comfey is weird to sprite

[fleet halo]

I really just don't like Fairies they're all either weird or just Pink BlobTM

[arctic glacier]

Xerneas forget about it

[prime dust]

we'll leave you with all the chia pet and or sonic fusions for shaymin normal form then

[stuck bane]

ok, im down for that, comfey brings mechanical aspects, but slurpuff does a little less on the mechanical side in exchange for fusion potential, im down to say slurpuff

[white meadow]

Top secret regional Scoli for a fangame i work on with some friends

[stuck bane]

any objections or additions? pangoro remains at top of consideration for the potential end

[zinc prairie]

So a Dragapult thing where it launches wheels?

[arctic glacier]

All very cool Pokemon

[white meadow]

Me confused what dragapult thing?

[arctic glacier]

Sucks that Diancie is Rock/Fairy

[mystic crystal]

Yeah looks good to me, i'd personally swap Pangoro with Mienshao but that's just my bias, i get that Mienshao would bring creative and different fighting type fusions

[stuck bane]

5 more, theres still room for pangoro, also yeah maybe frog will be nice and switch diancie's typings? maybe? idk, but its not a guarantee so I still say slurpuff just in case as a pure fairy

[craggy belfry]

why did the starters get denied ? genuinely curious

[zinc prairie]

Shoots Dreepy out of its triangle head

[white meadow]

But what does that have to do with scolipede and wheels

[stuck bane]

too many slots, denied last vote and will probably be denied in future votes unless we're allowed to pick more than 20 slots

does anyone want to contest minior?

[zinc prairie]

Chucking your siblings to deal damage

[craggy belfry]

gotcha ! makes sense

[zinc prairie]

What do you MEAN what does that have to do

[feral bear]

For fairies i would like aromatisse, ribombee, xerneas, slurpuff and florges in that order

Oop and diancie too, right before ribombee

[white meadow]

How did you get that idea
There are 4 pictures of scolipede on it
3 of the variant and a normal one

[craggy belfry]

i’m just here on lilligant forever so i’m satisfied. although i do think nihilego would make fun fusions

[zinc prairie]

I presumed the standing Scolipede was a Bug/Psychic telekinetically rolling the tire at something, look how the art position kind of shows it

[white meadow]

Its Bug/Fire
He is the wheel
Scolipede can roll

[zinc prairie]

The typing needs to be on the ref

[stuck bane]

final 5 shot in the dark: minior, araquanid, nihilego, zygarde?

[arctic glacier]

People that just want to see extreme fusions and IF Content Farms want more legendaries added. I’d like to have more Pokémon people will actually use in their game.

[white meadow]

I pinged someone talking about a Fire Scoli

[stuck bane]

pangoro over nihilego/zygarde is also a possibility, or over araquanid

[mystic crystal]

Zygarde without Xerneas/Yveltal? I know we have standalone necrozma but this feels more off to me

[white meadow]

Yes! Exactly!
So gimme Golisopod and Gogoat

[stuck bane]

its pure fairy, and another dark type.... i suppose im not against it unless there are any objections?

[mystic crystal]

I meant more i'd rather have none - give that last slot to a different mythical, like victini or shaymin looking at your list

[stuck bane]

that's fair, who do you recommend?

or, gimme a top 5 since we're nearing the end

[mystic crystal]

Hmm i'm actually not sure now; shaymin would be my pick but we already have so many flower-based pokémon on that list so maybe just ignore me and keep zygarde 😅

[stuck bane]

no no, there's some fair argument, if we can't think of any to add to top 20, should we consider cutting away a bit more at the considerations? take out some of the fluff to make deciding easier?

[fleet halo]

I think Zygarde is a crazy design that I'd like to see a lot more than either mythical tbh

[zinc prairie]

Zygarde rly be 3 slots

[fleet halo]

It might not be 3, I doubt 100% will be implemented

[stuck bane]

its 1 slot in the vote its being treated as 1 slot, forms dont count check pins

even if all 3 forms were implemented, its still 1 slot

[zinc prairie]

Zydoge AND Zygfifty in 1 package

[stuck bane]

any top 20 picks or cuts?

heatran is probably the least likely to beat other legends, despite it having flash fire on a steel type right? do we cut it?

[white meadow]

Not a cut but Torkoal seems to be a favorite in the community

[empty pendant]

I say we go ahead and add Minior. It's just cool.

[stuck bane]

torkoal probably doesn't make top 20, but if we get to the end and there's a single slot it'll be considered

[zinc prairie]

If Torkoal never got Drought it would be crickets

[fleet halo]

U can just do this urself tbh, Chandelure head fusions are p frequent

[craggy belfry]

would you pick a specific seasonal form for deerling and sawsbuck?

[stuck bane]

yeah im super down for minior, no objections?

[white meadow]

Wanna see a Torkoal/Oddish fusion?

[mystic crystal]

Minior is cool in my eyes, I love that funky lil guy

[stuck bane]

no, I think sawsbuck would use the form the spriter wants to give it, since they're purely cosmetic

minior in, 4 more

[craggy belfry]

that makes sense !

[agile olive]

we don't need heatran. nobody likes heatran. torkoal instead

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-cigarettes-khalifa-gif-14617129

[stuck bane]

woah woah woah, heatran cut is fine, under torkoal though? if torkoal has something comparable to bug/steel immune to fire type attacks I'll hear it but I don't think its up there

[craggy belfry]

for as much as i like the pumpkaboo line, i don’t feel like we’re really hurting for ghost or grass ?

[stuck bane]

that is true, we do have alot of ghosts already

[fleet halo]

Pangoro Minior Clawitzer would be my remaining adds, I have no insight to give that hasn't been said tho

[craggy belfry]

lots of options for spooky fusions already

[white meadow]

Weather setter
Do we have a non legend sun setter?

[fleet halo]

Ninetales

[white meadow]

Isnt it Ninetales HA

[fleet halo]

so is Torkoal's (oh it's not nvm)

[stuck bane]

yes ninetales

[fleet halo]

It's not a hard HA to get tho, Ability Ball works for it

[stuck bane]

but I see what you're getting at, even if it were the only sun setter thats one weather out of a ton, I think its just too niche

[white meadow]

Than get ability balls before e4

[fleet halo]

?? U can yea

[white meadow]

Where?
I had in mind its post game

[fleet halo]

U can unlock ability balls immediately after freeing silph co, it's in saffron

[zinc prairie]

The ability gets erased if you evolve with a stone tho

[fleet halo]

No, the HA gets reset if the ability changes, but since Vulpix and Ninetales are both Drought, it works
Vulpix is actually what I tested on when I found this out lol

[white meadow]

Also cool fusions you can swap out the smoke, you can use cool looking shell plates, he out smoked Snoop Dog etc etc

[zinc prairie]

That’s crazy

[fleet halo]

I like Torkoal but I wouldn't take it over the 5 I recommended

[stuck bane]

ok, lets do it like this: if we were to add a water type, which one? or none, considering we already have golisopod and an abundance of water types

[white meadow]

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[fleet halo]

Clawitzer for me 100%
Araquanid would be close second if we weren't getting the other good Bug/Water type

Gastrodon would probs be cursed and Storm Drain is kinda mid

[white meadow]

Either Snail or shrimp

[stuck bane]

oh thats true on type overlap, yeah as much as I like araquanid its probably out, any objections?

[mystic crystal]

Gastrodon first; Then Araquanid then clauncher - though all are cool in my eyes

[zinc prairie]

East and West coast needs representation

[vernal pumice]

Clawitzer fusions would be dope

[sullen elbow]

I really like gastrodon but I think the others add more with their abilities

[empty pendant]

clawitzer probably

[stuck bane]

makes sense, gastrodon brings storm drain, but people want clawitzer, not saying clawitzer is going up, just if we were to pick another water type it'd be there

[craggy belfry]

araquanid for me but that’s just bc i think bubble fusions would be fun

[mystic crystal]

I think part of the problem with this is there feels like a divide between people with choices based on aesthetics vs gameplay

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-shrimps-food52-louisiana-bbq-shrimp-seafood-yummy-gif-16978041

[white meadow]

I want some Clawitzer for reasons

[fleet halo]

Water Bubble would be v easy to abuse but Clawitzer's ability is more interesting
Both have decent aesthetic potential I feel, bubble fusion designs vs pistol shrimp designs

[white meadow]

Btw just came to mind
Imagine how much meat a Clawitzer claw has!

[craggy belfry]

i’ve got no qualms with clawitzer, if it goes up i’m down

[stuck bane]

yeah, mega launcher is good, and to clarify all of them are amazing, water bubble is stupid crazy if you actually read it, and so is storm drain, so its a tough call

[empty pendant]

as someone who thinks about both: imagine putting a clawitzer mienshao fusion with a big claw cannon arm and blue chitin armor, that can use mega launcher stab aura sphere

[stuck bane]

kick out emolga or any mythicals? we're already getting lilligant and lurantis so leaving one or no grass types could make sense

[fleet halo]

I don't mind Emolga bc Motor Drive is p rare and u could be putting it on a Flying-type which is kinda crazy

[sullen elbow]

Kick shaymin

[stuck bane]

yeah but I don't think emolga is over heatran, and it got kicked out so

[fleet halo]

I don't really care for Nilhilego or the Mythicals

[craggy belfry]

honestly i think we should nix the rest of the grass types for as much as i love shaymin

[empty pendant]

Lilligant and Lurantis are enough grass types, yeah.

[stuck bane]

thats a fair one, grass out as much as it hurts

[fleet halo]

I'll agree with taking the grass types out yea, they just don't do anything except look cool

[stuck bane]

can we probably kick florges and gigalith too since too many slots?

[empty pendant]

okay, hear me out: the 3 kalos legends and a single slot

[fleet halo]

No

[craggy belfry]

i’m pulling for ribombee line

[fleet halo]

Gigalith body fusions would probs be kinda nightmare fuel, I got the impression it was mostly here just to have another sand stream user

[stuck bane]

but again, all the kalos legends plus a kalos mythical? granted xerneas and yveltal do bring representation but that much?

[empty pendant]

possibly leave zygarde out

[arctic glacier]

Water bubble is insanely strong

[white meadow]

Idk why the mons need to do something great like isnt looking cool the heart of the game
Everything can be viable in PIF

[zinc prairie]

Luvdisc

[empty pendant]

but dark and fairy are both types that need more rep, xerneas and diancie provide different things, and xern and yveltal both look fucking amazing

zygarde has the least to offer so we could leave him for later

[fleet halo]

Yea but like there's a lot of those options that also do smth
It's been a long time since I've fused smth just cuz it looked cool, most of my playtime has been trying to find the crossroads between synergy and aesthetic

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/tomska-thomas-tomska-ridgewell-thomas-ridgewell-content-darksquidge-gif-21615602

[craggy belfry]

a lot of these would both provide something and be cool

[fleet halo]

Sure but it's what my agenda is here

[stuck bane]

so just to clarify, no pushback on axing emolga?

[craggy belfry]

how many slots do we have left, 4?

[fleet halo]

Emolga would be kinda cool but I wouldn't miss it

[white meadow]

I prever to use something that looks good and be suprised when it is XD
Like Sunflora/Klinklang or Xatu/Klinklang

[craggy belfry]

same

[empty pendant]

bring emolga back into consideration if we end up with 1 slot left but axe for now

[fleet halo]

Klinklang body fusions look like ASS

[white meadow]

They dont tho

[empty pendant]

this is a klinklang body (also a reference but shh)

[craggy belfry]

i think the pandas would be nice to have as a non legendary dark option

[fleet halo]

The spriters been working overtime on making the head fusions look good cuz the bodies are literally just gears with the other mon's head on that one small gear in the corner

[stuck bane]

ok, thats an idea, any objections to moving pangoro up? it'll immediately axe florges and gigalith too so theres that

[fleet halo]

I am Pangoro's biggest fan

[empty pendant]

panda and xern+yveltal

[mystic crystal]

I am also a fan of the panda

[stuck bane]

I like the idea of panda aura duo, zygarde can come as bonus if necessary, but 2 legends is a fair addition since thats what was added in the main vote, I like this, no objections?

[craggy belfry]

that sounds good to me

[fleet halo]

I remain unswayed

[white meadow]

Having no taste I see

[fleet halo]

U literally posted a porygon fusion pipe down

[white meadow]

I dont see whats wrong with Porygon fusions?

[fleet halo]

They're all memes or references

[mystic crystal]

yeah that was a cool porygon fusion; not even one of the many, many reference Porygon fusions

[vernal pumice]

That Meganium/Kinklang fusion almost made it on my main team

[stuck bane]

yeah, then I think I like this, thanks for the help guys!

||now to start the campaign for LGMMTLSPMXYD||

[fleet halo]

Hate to see that Clawitzer didn't make it in but it is what it is

[mystic crystal]

Now that's a good list

[white meadow]

Theyr not tho
Most of them use glitches and codes
Yeah they have some video game reference alts but only cuz they are digital beings

[zinc prairie]

Red Lobster is just too expensive…

[stuck bane]

plenty of water types, if it weren't goliso then probably clawitzer, making fighting types good could still be a huge point in its favor

[fleet halo]

The glitches are the coward's way out imo, u literally just put an error box over a bluescreen silhouette and ship it

[white meadow]

Thats like saying
"Making Rotom fusions other machines is lame"
Or
"Adding something on torterras back is lame"

[hushed mantle]

Kick emolga and give us hoopers

[fleet halo]

Ok but at least the machines look different
Adding literally any thing on torterra's back has some intrigue

[stuck bane]

already decided and we're not doing every kalos legend in a single update

[white meadow]

Most code looks diffrent on the porys
Obviously people like to sie missingo textures or binary cuz people understand it

[hushed mantle]

False, there's no volcanion

[white meadow]

What else should we spriters do with PZ when not errors, code or even referenzes

[fleet halo]

Ah yes this fusion uses c++ code and this fusion uses python code
Genius

[stuck bane]

Ok, we’re not doing more than half of all the kalos legends in a single update

[white meadow]

Plain disconnected simple round shapes or what?
Than noone likes them cuz they become boring

[fleet halo]

I'm sorry that the Pory line is either boring or memes
That doesn't mean I have bad taste for not liking them lol

[mystic crystal]

I was about to diss on Volcanion; but then I realised if it gets added I could turn that ugly hoop on it's back into a donut for a Slurpuff fusion... so it gets a pass for now 👀

[stuck bane]

yeah, any pokemon could be good, especially volcanion could be funny for nuzlockes since water/fire are such polar opposite types in fusions

[white meadow]

Nah its normaly conciderd bad taste when you dislike something many like
In no way its boring and apparantly you dont even have a better or atleast original idea

[stuck bane]

(just sending to myself so it can be on my phone please ignore)

[glass patio]

miniorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminiorminior

[hushed mantle]

I love miniors!

[glass patio]

🤨

[daring wren]

that second i is holding up the weight of the world my guy

[mystic crystal]

Yeah I think that's the beauty of IF; it makes me appreciate pokémon that I never normally would like (I.E Slurpuff, Bruxish, Starmie...)

[white meadow]

I love PZ fusion even tho they are apparantly "boring"

[glass patio]

this

[fleet halo]

That's crazy he said u can only have good taste if u like mainstream

[zinc prairie]

Average Drake lostener

[white meadow]

No I didnt
I just said that it is normaly conciderd bad taste when you dislike what many like
Like people that hate Pizza
And Mainstream is only a problem when something is overhyped like Charizard for example

[fleet halo]

Pizza is really ur prime example of good taste?

[zinc prairie]

LMAOO

[fleet halo]

I don't agree with anything uve said at all lmao I'm sorry

[white meadow]

But connecting erorrs, code etc with PorygonZ was a great idea from the guy who started it and it makes sense

[zinc prairie]

Pizza is like ramen but feeds 4 people

[fleet halo]

The spriters do good work I just don't think the concept is very high-brow

[white meadow]

Yeah but when I ask you for a better more original concept you dint have anything

[fleet halo]

Not their fault, not my fault for figuring out a better way to use Pory lines, I just don't think it has good potential

For the record I don't think they're bad fusions, they get a chuckle out of me
U just came after me ab good taste when u posted a meme

[white meadow]

Okay? Nah im also confused cuz normaly when someone thinks a concept is boring that person has a better concept in mind

[fleet halo]

I hate to break it to u but that usually isn't the case, I can dislike smth without believing it could be better

[hushed mantle]

That's just trying to be different atp

[fleet halo]

If I think of one I'll let u know ig

[white meadow]

I mean normaly a person actually does
They can switch the aspect they dislike in something they like

Like bruxish
I dislike it but I have many ideas that would make me like it more

[fleet halo]

?? I agree with u that the core aspects of the Pory line are, I agree with u that there's nothing else to do with them except what's being done, I just don't find them super cool lol

But this is just flaming at this point we haven't been on ab new pokes for a hot minute

[arctic glacier]

I leave for 30 minutes, then Cringneas and Cringeveltal get added as top pics.

[fleet halo]

I'm sayin

[zinc prairie]

you said they were boring that’s different

[white meadow]

Whatever they did to you calling them that is more cringe

[hidden relic]

byo whaddup

[fleet halo]

I don't find them cool bc I think the way they're done is mostly boring yea
Like if u had a gun to my head I would prefer more specialized references to those Pokemon than just generic insert windows error message and bluescreen here
But I still don't think those are "good taste" fusions

[glass patio]

i decided to make a tier list of pokemon based on how much i want them on pif, thoughts?

[arctic glacier]

Cringe over-designed legends

[hushed mantle]

Actually, those guys can give us fairy and dark pokemon which we don't have in good amounts, and also give us unique abilities and moves

[vernal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[white meadow]

Not valid

[hushed mantle]

Also bacon 🥓

[glass patio]

ohhh wait youre right its not valid

[arctic glacier]

I’m just an amateur spriter. Xerneas and Yveltal fusions would spontaneously combust in my hands

[hushed mantle]

Not valid, needs the meteor form for every color and shinies

[glass patio]

ohhhhhh right

[arctic glacier]

We currently have more legendary Pokemon than almost any other gen

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[stuck bane]

Minior is better than missingno grabbing the invincibility power up from Mario, I agree

[hushed mantle]

We also have more pokemon than most regions' pokedex

[glass patio]

Before i do that, i added something

[arctic glacier]

I meant by percentage

Currently ~7.5% of the Dex is either a Legendary or Mythical. (Official is 10%, but that’s with massive legendary bloat in later games i.e. DLCs for S/SH & S/V)

[sullen elbow]

Why luvdisc twice?

[glass patio]

Ok, here the full tier list ||unfortunately i couldnt include every pokemon with different natures ivs evs etc||

[sullen elbow]

Where are the shinies of every other Pokemon?

[stuck bane]

At this point just duplicate the missingno box and say it’s the shinies

[glass patio]

now its complete

||please no more||

[glass patio]

its not missingno its just an image of every pokemon lmao

||nah maybe youre just messing with me||

[stuck bane]

Yeee was just mess in with you, but from a distance it do look like one of the missingno variants

[brisk vessel]

There is something I must say but doing so will get me muted

[white meadow]

so real

[glass patio]

pissdisc

luvpiss?

[silk cobalt]

it's GOLDEN and it's better in 2d

golden heart....my first shiny i caught (the other two escaped in the safari zone, sobs)

[fleet halo]

I caught a Shiny Luvdisc when farming for Heart Scales in ORAS and I tried to trade it to a shiny hunter that didn't have one and they showed me a Pokemon that had "No Thanks" as its name

[glass patio]

lmaooo

[glass patio]

ight, that’s an understandable reason to like luvdisc

[silk cobalt]

i mean i don't like luvdisc

i was kind of dissapointed it was my first, but, well, i have to defend that its not piss, it's meant to be a gold heart!!

[stuck bane]

The only gold heart I like was in the title screen of the first Pokémon game I ever played

[stone cliff]

Not the first I played, but the first I owned

[glass patio]

piss pokemon

piss shedinja or idk

bro i dont even want to say my first pokemon game

[stuck bane]

Come on whatever game you played first it couldn’t have been that bad, Pokémon go? Pokepark wii? Pokémon unite?

[zinc prairie]

Pokemon Go

that summer 2016 was wild

[compact orbit]

Dude PokePark Wii was my JAM

[compact orbit]

What was it like when the dinosaurs existed, grandpa?

[sour burrow]

Glorious my child sheds tear

[digital spire]

i would like the gothitelle line

[stoic rain]

My first was also gen 1, though I had Red

[sour burrow]

My older brother and I played. He had red, me blue. we completed our pokedexs together.

[compact orbit]

Awwww

[brave topaz]

Hallo! How does the whole Necrozma form change work? I tried using Photon Geyser with the Necrozium on but it doesn't seem to work

[stoic rain]

I was kind of a late arrival, I didn't get Red until gen 2 was already out, it was a hand-me-down from a cousin

But I loved it and Silver was the first game I ever bought with allowance money

[digital spire]

#gameplay-help

[sour burrow]

Oh, we continued into silver and gold. I had silver and him gold. Sadly, as you get older life changes. I never got to play ruby to his sapphire.

[brave topaz]

Sorry xD

[sour burrow]

I had ruby but he had moved out

[zinc prairie]

for the Genwunners here what do yall think when a new person shows up and asks for help and never played any Kanto game

[sour burrow]

Honestly. You suck, go explore noob.

[stoic rain]

I was an only child so aside from occasional trading with friends I mostly traded with myself once I got gen 3; between my GBA and gamecube gameboy player

[stoic rain]

Hey, I started with gen 1 but I'm not a genwunner

[glass patio]

ig it’s not that bad then

[stoic rain]

I'm a gentooer, gen 2 is way better

[sour burrow]

Gen 2 didn't have mew inside a truck.

[glass patio]

still i feel so dumb here with many people having old pokemon games as their first game and mine was pokemon go

[sour burrow]

Hey, you enjoyed it right?

[glass patio]

kinda

[sour burrow]

Thats all that matters

[glass patio]

i mean
yea
it was crazy when it came out

[zinc prairie]

I'll still point and laugh but at least it doens't hurt like hearing they've never touched an official game

"PIF is my first Pokemon game" ????

[brisk vessel]

What did I miss

[zinc prairie]

what is your first Pokemon game/gen

[brisk vessel]

I think Emerald

[glass patio]

and the first mainline pokemon game i played was black 2 that’s better ig but it isn’t really crazy cause it’s not like i played it when it came out

[eternal belfry]

First pokemon game i played was Red.

[brisk vessel]

I remember playing Pokemon Gold on the 3DS once

Never again

[eternal belfry]

the pokemon series has only gotten better with age

if only they worked on the story.

[hushed mantle]

And the graphics

[brisk vessel]

Nah man SV had a banger story

[brisk vessel]

This is the main problem yes (environment wise at least)

[eternal belfry]

i didn't find the environment too terrible. the story could have been slightly better.

[brisk vessel]

Yea it wasn't flawless but it was definitely very good

Like second only to BW

[lone turret]

My main problem with SV is just the performance. If I run it on my big screen where I can see the tiny details it... chugs... in a lot of areas and just makes me uncomfortable.

[brisk vessel]

And the environment is mostly noticeable when you compare it to other open world games on the same platform like BoTW

[eternal belfry]

i miss my old fossil team

[stuck bane]

Honestly comparing them yeah I don’t think any story has characters as memorable as arven/penny/nemona except Bianca and cheren

Though yeah the performance made me decide buying the DLCs wasn’t worth

[brisk vessel]

The indigo disk is def worth it imo

[brave topaz]

This DID NOT NEED to pop off so hard

[brisk vessel]

It wraps up the area zero plotline pretty nicely

||Especially after you bring Terapogos to the Crystal Pool in Kitakami||

[lone turret]

I haven't even finished my first file. I think I got like 6 badges, then got frustrated that it'd be ridiculously grindy to change any terra types until the game was already over. (I don't do much post-game stuff in pokemon games other than Fusion)

[brisk vessel]

Anyways can we add Diancie and Archeops pls n thx

[brave topaz]

When Regional Varients

[glass patio]

I think you can show fusions in #fusions

[brave topaz]

Eh, just to be safe

[glass patio]

When never :)
idk

[brave topaz]

screech

[stuck bane]

See pins, but regional variants will likely have the same issue as dusk Lycanroc where it’ll be hard to differentiate in fusions ||then again, Gastly bodies exist so what do I know||

[brisk vessel]

I've only made like 2 Necrozma fusions so far

[brave topaz]

Valid

[brisk vessel]

I hope people will use Meloetta once they come out so I can maybe see some more of my sprites

[ocean vigil]

gastly bodies smell so you can identify them on sniff

[lone turret]

I still want my ice cream of doom~ (Vanilluxe)

[glass patio]

i just realized latias and latios exist too arent they really similar

[stuck bane]

The only variant that stands a chance is alolan exeggutor and even then they’re probably averse to adding it since it could open the flood gates

Yeah I was talking with a meloetta person, and yeah the “too similar in fusions” point just seems too moot, when things like Gastly or Lati twins or whatever, so I guess dusk was never added because it was an event Mon

[glass patio]

mythicals are event mons
ik some can be obtained without events stfu

[lone turret]

Randomizers are lovely for playing with mythicals. I used a Regi-gigas fused with Groudon and it looked like Ruby Weapon from FFVII

whoo boy was he silly-strong.

[stuck bane]

Randomizers can be so much fun ||until Erika’s kyogre/Reshiram brutally ends your nuzlocke attempt||

[brisk vessel]

Just get better ez

[brave topaz]

Huh
Necrozma's transformation still 'triggers' even when fused

[brisk vessel]

Yea that's literally the whole point

[brave topaz]

Sprite doesn't change but nice detail ngl

[brisk vessel]

If the fusion has an ultra sprite then it will actually change

[brave topaz]

Oh?

Which fusions have an Ultra sprite if it's ok to ask?

[stuck bane]

Oh, it doesn’t change if it doesn’t have an ultra sprite? How interesting

[brisk vessel]

Example

[stuck bane]

Search necrozma in sprite gallery

[brave topaz]

AYO?

[brisk vessel]

Yea you don't exactly wanna see your Necrozma fusion becoming an auto gen would you

[brave topaz]

Ok but now I need an Ultra Luxcrozma sprite LOL

[brisk vessel]

Just wait for someone to make it ig

[stuck bane]

I guess that makes sense, still weird we’ll never see autogen sprites of a Mon in IF

[glass patio]

Anyways, they are

[brave topaz]

[brisk vessel]

Arceus isn't an event Mon because you can always get him from playing Legends Arceus 😁😁😁

[glass patio]

@brisk vessel read

[brisk vessel]

Spoiler tagged text means spoilers so I'm not clicking on that

[glass patio]

bruh

[stuck bane]

Wait there is one

[brave topaz]

EXCUSE ME??

[brisk vessel]

It's probably not in the sprite pack yet

[glass patio]

i removed the spoiler can you read now

[stuck bane]

But it was November, it should be here by now

[glass patio]

i was gonna say it but i got distracted with the mythicals are event mons thing

[brisk vessel]

Guess they didn't update yet or smth

[stuck bane]

Weird

[brave topaz]

I'm actually in love with that fusion, lowkey might be my favorite

[stuck bane]

Anyways go to game help or search it there should be a way to download that sprite and manually put it in your game even if the sprite pack doesn’t have it

[brave topaz]

Already figured it out, I'm used to figuring out how to change sprites lol

[stuck bane]

Oh, coolio, enjoy!

[glass patio]

when mythical pokemon are introduced for the first time you get them through events
except meltan ig

so idk if it being an event mon is the reason why dusk is unavailable
it’s just because of the similarity to midday

[brave topaz]

See now the issue is that the transformation is bugged lol

[stuck bane]

Who knows? Frogs game, let’s just hope it doesn’t become commonplace

[ocean vigil]

i mean own tempo is required to get a -dusk so maybe it would be some kind of issue that way
like oh you only get one -dusk rockruff but you accidentally get its ability eated in a fusion. what now?

[stuck bane]

Oh wait that makes sense

I was gonna say “just check to see if it has own tempo before evolving” but no that makes way more sense

[fleet halo]

tbh rn I just want No Guard Midnight to be available

[stuck bane]

Doesn’t it always have no guard?

[fleet halo]

Nah, it's a HA I think

[ocean vigil]

plus if you make a second rockruff slot to ensure it isnt an issue... well, now youve eaten a mon slot for lycan-dusk

if a person really wants the extra move i imagine the ideal solution is just to stick in a tutor who can give the lycans the other guys move anyways

[weak trellis]

can probably still get it with no guard but only in randomizer mode

[fleet halo]

No, it doesn't have an HA in PIF for some reason

[stuck bane]

Oh, well yeah HA of course, but you can still get it, isn’t there a way to get ability switched to HA or something?

[fleet halo]

I've hatched a HA Rockruff which would evolve into a No Guard Midnight but Midnight just doesn't have a HA
Even tho it should have No Guard

[weak trellis]

strange

[brave topaz]

Ok so I did find a work-around
Just replace the default janky fusion sprite with the Ultra one

[stuck bane]

So it had steadfast and then got one of the basic midnight abilities?

[fleet halo]

Ye, I think it got Keen Eye

[fleet halo]

Fwiw I tested a Necrozma/Infernape and it was transforming successfully on my end

[stuck bane]

Dang, super weird, best bet is bug reports and that’s all I got

[brave topaz]

Yeah idk why it's not on my end but it's all g

I don't mind the Ultra being the default lol

[fleet halo]

I'm not sure it's a bug but I can make a note ab No Guard not being a legal ability, p easy to see using Magic Boots

[stuck bane]

That’s another reason I’m happy meloetta is taking some time, from what I’ve heard game can be a little buggy (not as bad as 3 years ago at least), but hopefully those things will be patched by the time of my next nuzlocke

[brisk solstice]

Which one was the body?

[fleet halo]

Infernape was body

[brisk solstice]

Hmm interesting, in my experience only necrozma as body has worked since it lets me pick the ultra sprite but I'll have to see again

[fleet halo]

I just checked again on PIF since I had done it on KIF and it Just Works

[frail sonnet]

Hello, My game will only play BW2_Ghetsis Battle as bgm for the entire game in every location and situation. If I delete that one mp3 the game will not launch as its immediately looking for it. I've installed the game a couple times with different versions and its the same. Always Ghetsis. It's in my dreams at this point.

[brisk solstice]

I'd ask #tech-support

[frail sonnet]

oops thats where i thought i was

[brisk vessel]

I would like to remind everyone that Blacephalon has 127 attack for literally no reason despite being a Special Attacker

[white meadow]

I wish there was a way to prevent the recoil damage of its signature with a fusion

[brisk vessel]

The Alakazam in my back pocket

[white meadow]

Can he prevent that?

[brisk vessel]

Anyways can we add ZEKROM KICK to the game pls and thanks

[brisk vessel]

Magic Guard works I think

[white meadow]

Oooh

You think sheer force works?

[brisk vessel]

Probably not

[sharp nebula]

'Sheer Force does not consider recoil or decreasing the user's own stats to be additional effects.'

[white meadow]

Oooh

Never used it so yeah cant know

[sharp nebula]

so it doesnt remove them

[silent acorn]

I remember checking this for one of Druddigons moves, yeah I was dissapointed

[white meadow]

I always hear sheer force being awesome but I never hear what it exactly does
I know it has a effect with live orb somehow but idk how cuz Lorb also reduces hp

[unique flame]

how flower veil would work in a grass fusion?

we dont have flores yet so idk

[white meadow]

it basically removes life orb recoil if the move used is boosted by sheer force

[weak trellis]

since internally I think it works by stopping all post move effects if it goes off, including life orb recoil

[silent acorn]

Flinching and other weird effects are affected by sheer force

Ah the life orb thing makes sense

[prime dust]

given it specifies allies, it would still likely apply only in that way

making it only useful in double or triple battles

[white meadow]

apparently not

it's basically clear body + status immunity so that could be interesting

[stuck bane]

And it’s only found on 2/5 of the pure fairy types were missing, a good point in favor of Florges and Comfey

[unique flame]

those are grat stats too

[iron quartz]

what pokemon stats are those

[unique flame]

florges

[iron quartz]

interesting

[stuck bane]

Yeah, Florges is THE next in line for highest sp def in the entire game, ahead of even some legendaries, it’s super underrated,

Best choices based on highest of their stats:

HP: guzzlord, Zygarde, Alomomola, hariyama
Attack: kartana, hoopa, landorus, melmetal
Defense: stakataka, avalugg, Carbink, diancie
Sp. attack: Xurkitree, hoopa, Blacephalon, vika
Sp. defense: Florges, Carbink, diancie, cryogon
Speed: pheromosa, accelgor, Zeraora, tapu ko
Total: cosmog, aura trio, hoopa, wishiwashi

[unique flame]

for comaprison god and kecleon have 120spdef

[prime dust]

which god

[sullen elbow]

gee I wonder which pokemon it could possibly be

[stuck cave]

Gerry Tina of course

[prime dust]

there are 3 Gods of Pokemon thanks to the power of the Internet

Arceus
Omanyte
Bidoof

[merry canyon]

I can understand the other two but why omanyte

[stuck bane]

Twitch plays Pokémon, lord helix

[sullen elbow]

And you think that bidoof could have 120 spef?

[glass patio]

I have never taken time to look at that but there surely is a lord helix fusion right?

omastar/omastar alt

yep

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-disney-iago-sarcastic-parrot-gif-7674243

[unique flame]

guys every arceus stat is 120

[glass patio]

yooo arceus omastar

with the helix fossil

i wish i could’ve been part of that

[silent acorn]

Years in the future someone I gonna be like

"Why these morons think that's cool? A luvdisc save us on the most recent stream"

[hasty glacier]

Kinda blows my mind that we keep being able to add more Pokémon. I used to be told we had reached the limit so I’m kinda confused about that but I’m not complaining

[stuck bane]

Yes, because luvdisc makes all the difference: luvdisc is the only fully evolved Pokémon that shares the 330 BST category with Delibird, who at least has a gimmick. For reference, other Pokémon in this category are Aron, Chinchou, finneon, Phanpy, Teddiursa, etc.

[hasty glacier]

Lol, yeah, Twitch Plays Pokémon was incredible

I don’t think I ever contributed but I followed it, religiously checking on how they were doing

[glass patio]

at least saw videos explaining it and stuff
but dang i didnt see lord helix live

[stuck bane]

Basically, breakthrough in code, reformatting how fusions were done, still no Gen 8+ tho

[hasty glacier]

Yeah, I def don’t have much hope for my Gen 8 favorites but that’s okay.

Now I’m just wondering how much more room we’ve got for adding more Gen 7 and below

[stuck bane]

Technically, thousands, but it still takes time to implement them

[glass patio]

We got thousands of available slots now, let’s use them for spinda patterns

[hasty glacier]

Thousands???? Whatttt

[glass patio]

ADD 4,294,967,296 SPINDA FORMS WITH A DIFFERENT DEX NUMBER EACH 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[glossy osprey]

5 gorillion to be exact

[stuck bane]

I think spinda patterns reaches the limit, but it’s definitely around that number

[hasty glacier]

Ultra Beasts will be neat

[hasty glacier]

Brazilian*

[stuck bane]

Also eventually map size will be a problem too but we’re making do for now

[glass patio]

it’s a joke

[stuck bane]

Yeah I know, but whatever number spinda patterns is, that’s how many slots we have available, that’s all I remember

[glass patio]

so we could get all pokemon before gen 8 eventually

[hasty glacier]

What’s our current tendency? One new Pokémon per 3 months?

[stuck bane]

Give or take some

[hasty glacier]

Ngl, it is slightly cool to think what the game will look like in 100 years haha

[ocean vigil]

add one spinda and make every new spriter make a pattern for it as an alt

[stuck bane]

Got like 50 between august/new years, and right now things are slow, no current announcements yet

[hasty glacier]

What??? Like actual 50 new Pokémon? Not sprites but actual Pokémon?

[glass patio]

there’s like 4 billion spindas i don’t think we have that much

[stuck bane]

See pins

[stuck bane]

Yeah iirc it’s under 4 billion or something, it’s def billions

[glass patio]

i mean thats including forms

[hasty glacier]

That’s actually amazing.

[glass patio]

50 pokemon and none of them are meteors :(

[hasty glacier]

also amazing that spriters are so quick at making the sprites

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[stuck bane]

All Pokémon except meloetta/cresselia/bruxish are available in game right now

[hasty glacier]

I keep trying to think of what Pokémon I’d want from before Gen 8 but my brain won’t let me think of anything that isn’t Toxtricity.

Probably that prehistoric parrot that almost made it in

And some Ultra Beasts

[glass patio]

pretty sure there’s thousands of spriters idk

[glossy osprey]

Some ultra beasts

[glass patio]

but there is like less than half sprites done

meh, 217,642, fair

[glass patio]

guzzlord gyarados?

[glossy osprey]

ye

[glass patio]

nice

big mouth

[glass patio]

sand

ight we need ditto/guzzlord as the third one

[glossy osprey]

Me resisting the urge to make ditto/guzzlord or charizard/guzzlord

[glass patio]

:)

[plucky fog]

You know what would be a Crazy good mon to add to this game? Armarouge and Ceruledge

Imagine the Fusions, Armarouge Gun Fusions and Ceruledge Sword Fusions

[stuck bane]

This meme was the best idea ever right behind getting an actual pin saying no gen 8+ in the game

[plucky fog]

Jokes on you

Gen 8+9=17

I don't mind not getting Gen 17 mons

[white meadow]

Me smort

[eager jungle]

i have an idea

[white meadow]

My meme got pinnd

[sick mist]

Here’s how i get frostmoth and snom added even though they won’t be i put on fake glasses and moustache. I avoid all the lamps work on the dev team for ten years and sneakily add in snom and frostmoth its a solid plan now i just need to learn how to code hmmmmm

[marsh yew]

NGL, a Frosmoth/Volcarona fusion would be awesome

Still plenty of Gen III-VII goodness left to add tho

[glass patio]

i don’t think it’s gonna be that easy

[white meadow]

The dev team is Frogman and his bird lol

[sick mist]

Darn ten year plan isn’t going to work if they would eat moths

I really hope people understand this was a joke -^-

[unique flame]

you guys say this until a really motivated autistic programmer hyperfocused in tinkaton or some shit do the sambleye saga all over again

[prime dust]

that is a mild understatement

[unique flame]

it will probably be easier then the rework on the code that gave us space

[prime dust]

um

that's what you'd need to do at this point

IF barely resembles the source it was made with anymore

[unique flame]

yeah thats the trick part , learning the frog code + red

[livid geyser]

InFusion is an eldritch abomination.

[prime dust]

eh, its more of:

learn RPG Maker XP
add onto it Pokemon Essentials V21 [what would be needed to get Gens 8 and 9]
unspaghetti Frogman code

[unique flame]

ps: the 2 first steps are probably easier than the last

[prime dust]

Yea

[unique flame]

i will at least learn rpgmaker xp one day, it cant be harder than python and gdscript

[prime dust]

Like i know there is a small team making a new variant/sequel to IF called Projecy Amalgam in Unity…but from what Sin said, they’ve gone “dark”

*project

[silent acorn]

Well crap

Wait in unity? How does that work?

[unique flame]

they are doing all from 0 lol in rpgmaker you have almost everything pre set

[prime dust]

No idea…but it was the unity engine

[unique flame]

you dont have the engine power thou

[prime dust]

It might have changed what with the debachle

[silent acorn]

https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/pokemon-amalgam-a-fusion-game-with-no-limits.464800/
Well crap that explains it

[silent acorn]

So what exploded?

[prime dust]

Did you jot see the news awhile back about Unity changing their revenue thing

Not at my pc atm, making breakfast and grabbed my tablet, so soon as i get back, unless someone posts it first, ill find the story

The tldr version from what i remember is they were going to charge any game using the engine per download and it was retroactive

[unique flame]

oportunity to make a new game with the IF fusion thing
its in kanto again

[prime dust]

Kanto + johto + sevi islands is the biggest map youll get

[unique flame]

its the game already playable?

[prime dust]

no idea

[prime dust]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870547/unit-price-change-game-development
they have since reverted a lot of that change, but them saying it put a sour taste in a lot of developers mouths

[marsh yew]

Medicham and Toxicroak would be neat to get ngl...

[prime dust]

the hilarity in that entire post is one dude going "you should def port the game to switch, it isn't being copyright striked"

well duh, because:

1. it is a fan game
   and 2) more importantly it isn't making money

the second they try and put the game anywhere besides the fan game forums, like steam or something...the hammer will fall

[stuck bane]

Oh my god thank you!

[silent acorn]

Well sheet my favorite region that I totally do not ever get bored off.

Shame Unova is like 2.5D because I like going through it.

[silent acorn]

Oh that now I remember

[silent acorn]

Well they done it with Uranium before so.

[silent acorn]

You know there is always gonna be that one person asking about it

Oh finally they pinned THAT THANK GOD

You know I think would be fun if you started somewhere else that isn't pallet town

I think if you started in a middle town that might be good

[rancid nymph]

So they're never going to add gen 8 or 9 Pokémon?

[prime dust]

unless someone can do one of the following, no:

• find a way to keep everything that is Infinite Fusion as it is, but upgrade Pokemon Essentials V18 to v21

• find a way to keep everything that is Infinite Fusion as it is, but find a way to revert V21 Pokemon Essentials to V18

Frogman tried during development of the game to upgrade Essentials from V18 to V19, and it failed.
He backtracked off the idea and has pretty much stated he won't do the work himself to update that aspect of the game [mainly because it would effectively mean remaking the game from scratch at this point]

He gave the ok to the community to make attempts, and I think said he'd be willing to put in a mon or two to the person who figured it out.

basically if we want Gen 8+; we gotta figure it out ourselves

[marsh yew]

A Lugia/Ho-Oh/Regigigas trio master triple fusion could be neat, ngl...

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-14382673246413447193

[clever atlas]

[stuck bane]

And the best part is that there’s a mod name next to it! Now nobody can try to argue against it!

[silent acorn]

Sometimes

I

Wish

I

Could

Wear

A

Pink

Hat

https://tenor.com/view/hatterene-witch-pokemon-cute-gif-27627469

This is the only thing I cry I am not getting from Gen 8

Shame cuz it's fighting type too

[white meadow]

fighting?

pretty sure it's psychic fairy

[silent acorn]

Ah crap yeah it was psychic fairy

I sometimes forget the hand hair is not for punching

Still. It's an interesting mon

Oh well gardevoir it shall be for eternity

[tall bluff]

I want Eternatus... he's lowkey one of my fav legendaries which I know is SUPER controversial

[white meadow]

eh there is worse

[tall bluff]

but yeah as far as missing leggos are concerned... I want Zygarde... I like my earth guardian mecha pogemon

[stuck bane]

Like, there’s only a handful of Gen 8 mons that bring potential, which is why it probably wouldn’t be worth to try and code even if frog were a fan of it: corviknight maybe, but skarmory already does it pretty well, Gothitelle does the tower woman fusions already over hatterene, regional variants are out, alcremie maybe but Slurpuff already has that potential, maybe Frosmoth but we already have 2 moths, copperajah maybe, and then Dragapult and that’s it. That’s 6 mons that maybe bring potential out of an entire region, it’s just not worth it

[eager jungle]

?tag rule11

[opal trail]

Rule 11. No spoilers. Any information about upcoming Pokémon games (including sprites, art, memes, etc that reference new Pokémon or character designs) must be hidden under a spoiler, unless posted in the specific channel for that game. Leaks must always be spoilered, even in the game's channel.

[finite thistle]

Gen 8 is pretty barren I will admit. There are mechanical mons that I'd like to screw around with like Failinks or Cramorant and there are a few others that I'd like to see fusions of because their actual designs are a bit lacking. Grapoloct and Morpeko feel incredibly undercooked as stand alone Pokemon and could really use the revamping

[marsh yew]

Don't diss my judoctopus

But yeah, Zygarde could be neat

Perhaps something similar to Necrozma's ultra form with Complete would be neat

Oh boy, Zygarde/Necrozma fusion would be rad

[finite thistle]

Also, Galarian Stunfisk is a travesty of mismanagement, but that's a regional variant, so we'd be breaking all the rules there

Zygarde with better typing would be great, I used to use the man a lot when I played competitive back in gen 7 Ubers. Makes for great paralysis support for Skymin despite them both having a quad Ice weakness

Also, I'm a much bigger fan of Doggo Zygarde than any of the other forms, so it would be fun to screw around with the it

[marsh yew]

Ah, a shame Z was never a game, Kalos needed a revisit

[finite thistle]

TRUE

There are things about gen 6 that I really enjoy, like the region design, the massive regional pokedex and quality additions to it, but man does the story suck and the difficulty dies after the first gym.

[unique flame]

gen 6 cooked in design and competitive and delivered shit in history and dificulty

[finite thistle]

Did a Normal Nuzlocke of it once and that was a bit harder, but that's probably because I haven't done many Nuzlockes before

Oh yeah, gen 6 competitive is still my favorite existing competitive scene. So much bizzare jank that made for some very diverse teambuilding. Made a team for Jirachi and Mega Diancie back in the day and it was the most fun I've ever had teambuilding. Zygarde 50% makes for a great support for Jirachi's shenanigans thanks to Glare and complementary typing and I've always really liked Diancie for its flipping mega stats. I miss those days before gen 7 where they overnefed some of my favorite mechanics. Gen 8 had a lot of potential with how large the movepools got, but things never really landed right

[marsh yew]

Oh well, this gen we are shaping up for some Unova nostalgia/revisit, so, give it 3-5 years for a Kalos revisit

[stuck bane]

I'm personally hoping not, black and white already got remakes so there's a chance they could skip it and go straight to kalos since it has so many unanswered questions

[prime dust]

black and white didn't get remakes, they got sequels

the interesting bit is will the gen 5 remakes be of the original games, or of the seuqels

[finite thistle]

Considering the connectivity situation we had in gen 8, a remake of the original Black and White has very little appeal for me because the big draws from those games are the story and the mechanics. If I wanted to experience those I'd just go back to the original that also gives me the connectivity options to grab stuff I could use from my other games

Maybe if they went really hard into the cutscene production value it might be cool to see, but Black and White already look really good as is

I am pretty excited at the idea of a Legends Kyurem because gen 5 is the last gen with decent lore though

[weak trellis]

I still feel like legends is gonna just be a one-off tbh

[stuck bane]

oh I hope not, legends was like the best game we got since black and white

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[weak trellis]

me: :clueless:

[finite thistle]

Both Legends and Lets Go have a lot of potential for a second go around. Especially considering how well the format could fix gen 2

[sterile verge]

Spoilers: ||at the end of Legends Arceus the main villain (Vollo) literally says "I'll be back"||

[finite thistle]

Lets Go loaded routes with a ton of encounters, which is something that the main game of gen 2 desperately needs

[feral bear]

This is not the spoiler i was referring too, but it still holds weight!

[finite thistle]

TBF Giovanni said something similar at the end of Ultra Sun and Moon, but all we got from that was a bit of Pokemon Go stuff

[hushed mantle]

Bro is not william afton 😭

[stuck bane]

Yeah but spoilers like that don’t ||confirm another appearance in the same series of games, could be like a return in bdsp 2: the sequel for all we know. Not to mention, the words “I’ll be back” are vague: back to spear pillar to see arceus? Back to beat our protagonist from PLA? What if our protagonist was sent back to our correct time?||

[tame flax]

Do you mean ||how another legends game has been leaked?||

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[tame flax]

Also these are both the same side series, legends is an evolution of let's go

[feral bear]

All will be revealed next month, so not long now

[tame flax]

We'll likely never see another let's go, it's all legends from here

[golden acorn]

Please elaborate on this

[tame flax]

There's a Chinese guy whose uncle works at Nintendo

That's not even a joke

[white meadow]

hey nintendo is a huge company, surely there is many uncles working there

[tame flax]

And while it's 99% likely to be pure coincidence, I knew a guy with the same name and attitude back in uni

[finite thistle]

It's still way too early to draw a conclusion like that with only one game a piece. Both formats have their pros and cons and I still really want a Lets Go Johto to fix those barren ass routes

[tame flax]

The biggest feature of let's go is a main mechanic in legends

[white meadow]

do we really need another gen 2 remake tho

[feral bear]

|Not even just the chinese leaker, but by khu as well|

Oop spoiler fail LOL just pretend u dont see it

[finite thistle]

I'd be down for another gen 2 remake, especially since it fits johto way better than it could ever fit Kanto. The extra story bits they added would be really nice if they weren't gating my progression half the time

[tame flax]

But johto is pretty mid

[finite thistle]

Let's Go could fit so many more Pokemon in every route so you could get mons like Larvitar, Houndour or Murkrow in a reasonable place

[white meadow]

that or we get another bdsp situation

[tame flax]

I dont think you understood me Johto is mid

The landscape, the physical area

[marsh yew]

Johto is a Kanto add-on

[tame flax]

If you are carried by another region, mid is the best compliment one can give

They'll likely keep to doing remakes and legends games based on those remake regions

And idk who in their mind wants legends johto more than legends kyurem

[feral bear]

Johto remake for sure, but please no more lets go

That shit is so brain rotted

[tame flax]

That's why it was so easy to convert to legends

[white meadow]

why even bother with a johto remake when hgss exists anyway

[feral bear]

Johto and unova are the only regions that are not playable in 3d

[tame flax]

Johto can be forgotten

[finite thistle]

Because Johto still feels pretty rough on its own. The teambuilding options still suck even in HGSS. The only reason it ain't a problem is that gen 4 has good connectivity

[tame flax]

It's biggest claim to fame is being tied to the hip of kanto

[feral bear]

I unironically think silver gold and crystal are some of the best games in the franchise so i cannot speak on this

It has the best postgame to me, literally just a whole other region

[tame flax]

A region many people already explored

It's member berries the post game

[finite thistle]

It does have that and the dex is pretty great. I like the bits of non-linearity, but that's about it

[tame flax]

The dex is one of its worst aspects

When I looked for garbage mons to fuse with, I specifically checked the johto dex

[finite thistle]

Eh, evolutions of old Pokemon are some of my favorites and a lot of gen 2's jank like Corsola and Lanturn I really like

[white meadow]

lanturn jank?

[feral bear]

Id rather have a whole other region from the past, updated with new graphics and mechanics as a postgame than nothing at all or even over some of the modern postgame alternatives tbh

[white meadow]

also corsola isn't that bad breh

[finite thistle]

Yeah, I know It has killed Kingdras for me. It has a lot of potential in the right situation just a lot of people don't give it it's due because it looks like a piece of coral and could use better typing

[feral bear]

Im like desperately waiting for them to do that again, was really hoping we would revisit kalos this gen

[limpid pewter]

Is Serperior in infinite fusion yet?

[finite thistle]

I wish, I could use the Glare and Contrary access so much. Plus designs would probably be pretty sick for it

[limpid pewter]

Agreed, Serperior is my favorite pokemon and I could imagine fusing him with a dragon type and using Draco meteor and leaf storm with contrary

Another question about new pokemon, is Spheal in?

[finite thistle]

He got close, but sadly no

[limpid pewter]

Aww man

Spheal is my second favorite, my 3rd is in tho, my 3rd is Vaporeon, do you think I can say that again since the annoying copypasta is starting to die?

[finite thistle]

Maybe, this chat has been getting a bit deader for awhile. I got lucky that some crazy person put Pyukumuku in the game along with the obvious Darkrai and Munchlax

[limpid pewter]

Ahh, yeah, was munchlax not added with snorlax?

[white meadow]

all evolution lines that do not include anything from gen 8+ should be complete

[finite thistle]

Probably was, they're probably holding off on starters because of all the room they'd take up with them all being 3 stages and all needing to be added together

Mind you, Primarina almost got in despite that

[limpid pewter]

Oh fun

I like Decidueye more but Primarina isn't bad, except for when I was mad at popplio in sv bc mass outbreaks of popplio kept showing up but I couldn't get any snivy outbreaks

[clear island]

One day golisopod will be here.

[stuck bane]

I’m sorry, WHAT WAS LEAKED? DM details please I want to have hope again

Also yeah Serperior, heatran, and Lilligant are probably my 3 biggest wants, but objectively a lot of the mons with cooler abilities come from later gens like fur coat or comatose or topsy-turvy or solar blade or whatever

[tame flax]

Why was darkrai obvious? Cresselia has only now just been added

[finite thistle]

I meant that it was obviously one of my favorite Pokemon considering my name, but I guess that's fair

[sullen elbow]

It's popular

[static temple]

Will lilipup and it's evolutions ever be put in game? I really hope so because I'd love to see a stoutland/arcanine hybrid

[marsh yew]

The most dog?

[stuck bane]

Early level up plus good attack and defenses make Stoutland a pretty underrated pick, although definitely far from the top pick considering we just got the other puppy Pokémon

[bitter comet]

My personal three biggest wants rn are Golisopod, Malamar and Avalugg

[prime dust]

maybe

anything from gen 3-7 that isn't in the game might get added in later

what gets added and when is mainly up to Frogman

[marsh yew]

And yeah, Stoutland is pretty much a Normal type Ampharos/Nidoking in terms of stats, and it is a good boy

It IS a slighty bulkier, slighty slower Arcanine that cannot be a special attacker

[digital spire]

Is Meltan/Melmetal in the code?

[proud lion]

I think it is as it was in the spriter polls earlier

[silent acorn]

What what what did I miss

[silent acorn]

I can help with 2 of those

[bitter comet]

Which 2?

[silent acorn]

Squiddo and Poddo

[bitter comet]

Ah

Man I can see Golisopod and malamar having a great fusion together but I’m not sure exactly what that would look like

[silent acorn]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1139380151705149440
Work in progress but you can already see body wise it's good

[bitter comet]

Cool

[silent acorn]

Valentine then

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-colosseum-luvdisc-gamecube-charm-gif-14176036

Here I am gonna give some luv in advance, surely you won't reject it

[stuck bane]

I hate to say it, but technically another reason for luvdisc would be Whoopie cushion fusions, wouldn’t it?

Also yeah Golisopod and malamar are actually crazy looking into them, they made the top 20 on that mock tier list we did a while back: Golisopod adds more bug types, brings first impression, and has some sick fusions, whereas malamar brings more dark types, is another contrary user, and brings topsy-turvy (combine it with prankster for nightmare level strats)

[zinc prairie]

I hope they make it evolve by taking your desktop and flipping it upside down

[bitter comet]

Imagine a triple useless fish fusion

[stuck bane]

Magikarp, feebas, aaaaand?

Oh luvdisc duh I guess it might bring that

[bitter comet]

I was thinking more luv, that GEN five fish that I cannot remember the name of but evolves in legends and I am not sure what else

But probably one of those two you mentioned

Yes

[stuck bane]

Basculin ain’t worthless tho, it at least has good attack and speed and some good abilities

Not useless at the level of Magikarp feebas luvdisc at least

[bitter comet]

I just use useless in place of only one stage fish Pokémon that people forget or don’t really like

[stuck bane]

So Magikarp and feebas wouldn’t be in that triple fusion? Hmmmm

[bitter comet]

I would kind of suggest Stunfisk(if that’s how it’s spelled) but it would only kind of fit for the theme because of being a one stage fish

[stuck bane]

I suppose it is technically a fish

[bitter comet]

Oh wait, I forgot that ugly fish(I also can’t remember the name of it.) would be perfect for the fusion

[stuck bane]

Bruxish?

[bitter comet]

Yes

[stuck bane]

There’s a lot of 1 stage fish now that I think about it, Qwilfish, stunfisk, basculin, relicanth, Alomomola, Luvdisc

Not a 1 stage

If there were a triple fish fusion, I’d want it to be all the pink ones since that would make most thematic sense: bruxish, luvdisc, Alomomola

Also wait wailord isn’t a fish it’s a whale what do you mean you don’t understand

[bitter comet]

I think a bascuiln, luvdisc and Bruxish would be the best personally because they’re all not really that popular

[stuck bane]

see pins