pif-hoenn-discussion

[alpine rune]

I still doubt it

It'll be funny for sure

[brisk vessel]

Anyway if it's just single stage then I hope they add Cryogonal cuz crimas

[alpine rune]

How bout new years

[brisk vessel]

Uh idk what mons would fit the new year vibe besides like Blacephalon

And I doubt they would add 1 UB without adding the others

[lime gull]

I mean Blacephalon was added alone in its Ultra game

[brisk vessel]

Being added cuz it's the Version Exclusive doesn't count

[stuck bane]

Victini and minior were ones we talked about fitting new years, but Cryogonal also makes sense for winter

[alpine rune]

Southern hemispherers be like

[dreamy coyote]

same

[woeful anchor]

Bruxish is ugly but it does make for good fusion potential with the wild colours

[clever atlas]

Yeah no

[pseudo wigeon]

yes yes it does

[clever atlas]

It doesn't imo

[pseudo wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/841171338096934952.gif?size=48&name=clownass&quality=lossless

[brisk vessel]

Who cares, Bruxish is in and that's that

It's funny and there is nothing anybody can do about it

[lime gull]

I love it

[white meadow]

the ICBM in my pocket

[autumn radish]

Honestly didn't knew they added Bruxish.
At least it's not Basculin (even worse since there's not the actual useful Basculegion), so that's that.

Thought, it's kinda weird that it's 469 instead of 468... Perhaps a pokemon we never knew would come would join?

[clever atlas]

Or it was simply an oopsie and they'll fix it once they wake up

[lime gull]

Even if so, with all the new sprites they might as well say eh fuck it and keep it in 🤣

[white meadow]

Its absolutly not a oopsie tho
Sprite manager confirmd we get something else and there are queit some reasons for it to be that number

[dusty arrow]

can yall stop complaining about bruxish? it add a new, actually decent physical psychic stab, that is also boosted by strong jaws

[lime gull]

And it looks awesome and allows creative sprites

[dusty arrow]

i can see sprites utilizing a couple parts of bruxishs design for cool sprites, i just fear for jynx and mr mime

[lime gull]

Oh Im looking forward to those two 😁😁😁

[digital ferry]

I think we’ve actually got both already :>

[brisk solstice]

Should've seen the Gengar lol

[dusty arrow]

no jynx yet but

[stuck bane]

Would the name be Mr. ish?

[dusty arrow]

i just had the most cursed idea for a mr ish
..or bruxmime

[stuck bane]

Oh wait that’s reverse nm

[digital ferry]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1188576117297254521

[dusty arrow]

replace mr mimes weird finger tips with lips

[dusty arrow]

thats actually a lot better than i thought it would be

we need a jynx/bruxish joke alt thats just

👁️ 👄 👁️

petition to make this the new

[digital ferry]

#discord-suggestions

[dusty arrow]

posted

[woeful anchor]

The real number 468 is togekiss, so maybe something to with that? Are there any baby pokemon not in the game yet?

[white meadow]

None that are available

Its probably a single stage mon like Minior or Tropius

[glass patio]

merry xmas

did i alr wake up

[glass patio]

crap

[dusty arrow]

what

[glass patio]

wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[glass patio]

why is your name that

[glass patio]

Blud just fuse magikarp with an ice type 🗿

[dusty arrow]

no

ice type magikarp is different from a magikarp/ice type, you fool

[glass patio]

regice/magikarp joke alt?

[dusty arrow]

...
i grant you permission to do that

[glass patio]

when i have time

[dusty arrow]

thats fine, dont worry about it

[glass patio]

wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up

[dusty arrow]

i have a week old can of monster energy in the fridge

[silent acorn]

you said blud cringe

[glass patio]

[dusty arrow]

now you also technically said it

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-game-take-that-text-gif-7989980

[silent acorn]

Fair

So how much bruxsish hate have we seen? I haven't kept up with the announcement.

[glass patio]

wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up

[dusty arrow]

bucklin may i give you non-design pros for bruxish

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-margin-awake-marginskyrim-gif-20155428

[feral bear]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1188561562034786384

U cant tell me this isnt a KUTIE

[marble meadow]

im fine but another dark type would be nice and i pray for malamar for the future

best contrary ability mon in my opinion

also he is always in my team if its in main or fangames malamar is decent and kinda good

[proud lion]

1 Slotters: Minior and Furfrou (maybe)
2 Slotters: Shaymin, Wishiwash, Hoopa
3 Slotters: Zygarde
4 Slotters: Castform
Too many slots for Smash: Spinda

[stuck bane]

Minior may or may not be a 1-slot, depends if they think starting in core form is that broken (like meloetta)

Furfrou is 1 slot because cosmetic

Shaymin and hoopa are 2 slots because OoB form change

Wishiwashi should be underscore system so still 1 slot, like Necrozma

Zygarde should take 2-3 slots depending how they want to use complete Zygarde

Castform should be 4 slots since starting out in weather forms shouldn’t be too broken

[proud lion]

How would you feel if 468 was Carnivine?

[dusty arrow]

castform would actually be such a fucking waste

[dusty arrow]

plants vs zombies fusions i guess

[prisma willow]

How would the algorithm even handle the stat changes between Minor's forms considering it happens mid battle?

[tough shore]

Same way it does with Ultra necrozma? idk

[silent acorn]

Best bois

[silent acorn]

Depressed and dissapointed

[silent acorn]

It would be a one off, allows. For clouds (well got altaria... Crap), well maybe got weather embodiments without the weather dudes?

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/james-team-rocket-carnivine-cacnea-コジロウ-ロケット団-gif-25139686

[silent acorn]

Yeah I know, but out of all of James pokemon the Carnivine was and still is the most forgettable one.

Hell I even remember the Chimecho being cute with James

[proud lion]

I grew up with DP. AMONGUS would be the forgotten one for me

[silent acorn]

What was that one? The mushroom?

[proud lion]

Exactly. The mushroom had no personality. Carnivine had personality.

https://tenor.com/view/seviper-carnivine-pokemon-shmoovin-groovy-gif-22546614

[silent acorn]

What was that one called?

[proud lion]

Amoongus

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-amoonguss-among-us-sus-whos-that-gif-20298355

[silent acorn]

To be fair yeah Amongus is the other forgettable one. But man Carnivine isn't really good.

this is pretty awesome tho

Although I don't think we miss out on much without amoongus and Carnivine

I dont like tropius but I guess there is enough fanbois to make up by making lots of fusions

[hidden relic]

merry bruxmas guys

[civic harness]

Thanks, have a Bruxiful day

[silent acorn]

Thank you, have a Bruxtastic day

[hidden relic]

and a happy

happy....uhhh....happy....

It'll come to me

[frozen remnant]

A happy bru year?

[mystic rivet]

Merry Bruxmas

[loud depot]

[marble meadow]

fun fact dark type in japan is called evil type i want more dark type mons

[weak trellis]

japan also has an actual dark type as well

it's what they called shadow pokemon. (at least in gen 3, in GO they are shadow pokemon in both languages meaning that for JP, GC shadows and GO shadows are two different things)

[digital ferry]

Decided to finally post “A Non-Exhaustive List of Things that Members of the Pokémon Infinite Fusion Discord Have Said Will Happen if Bruxish is Added to the Game”. Thanks for all your messages folks of #pif-hoenn-discussion #1188560076022218772 message

[prime dust]

you mean like the shadow pokemon from Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness

[stuck bane]

Honestly with meloetta being an end of November reveal, and bruxish being an end of December reveal, I wouldn’t be surprised if our next one-slot is beginning of January, and then they just reveal one line at the beginning of each month. It would give spriters almost the whole month to make as many good sprites as possible (something I’ve had problems with for meloetta and now bruxish), and from what I’ve seen with meloetta, it takes about a month for all the “hype new Mon” sprites to start dying down into a casual number of sprites, so I’d be down for that if it were a thing

[prime dust]

but then we never get the modern mode update

as it and any other updates for the game get put on hold [this would include bug fixes] for each month brings a new mon

i'm gonna go with no thanks...

[stuck bane]

Well, not really, sure modern mode update would be great, but as seen now adding a single Mon doesn’t take the entire month, and he could dedicate time to updates and bug fixes while slowly keeping people who want new mons added happy

[finite needle]

THEY ACTUALLY ADDED BRUXISH

THERE IS NO WAYYYYYYY

Dang I can’t believe that

[silent acorn]

I like how my entry is just I will clap, not because I am sad, angry or happy, I will just clap

👏

[marble meadow]

im fueld by salt and seeing those sweep vids

[coarse karma]

[calm kraken]

I was always a believer

was funny seeing my message in the announcement video

[vale stump]

i hate bruxish in the main games but i think it'll make some pretty fun fusions lmao

[dim sparrow]

cheese

[distant edge]

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-and-gromit-wallace-cheese-wensleydale-gif-9650051521964776585

Is there a Pokemon that's made of cheese?

[fleet bramble]

IT'S TORKOALING TIME

[fleet bramble]

Gholdengo LOOKS like he's cheese but he's actually made of gold and he's gen 9 anyway so we probably won't get him

[alpine inlet]

If Sigilyph ever makes the cut, the montage will be like the same 4 people who ever talk about it once a month lol

[digital ferry]

They're actually all based on things people said would happen if Bruxish was added ^^ (tho I was a bit flexible w/ the wording for some of them)

[obsidian terrace]

oh

[civic harness]

Merry Bruxmas

[dim sparrow]

I'm sad I'm not included (we love promotion)

[inland jewel]

LETS GO BRUXISH]

Im so down for this, LET CHAOS REIGN

[civic harness]

Merry Bruxmas

[silent acorn]

Hehehe neat

I just like to be taken into account lol

They think therefore I exist ||in your dreams and minds I lurk||

[inland jewel]

if i remember correctly someone is gonna have to go back to change all those jynx alts into being actual bruxish

[weak trellis]

I don't think so but I've seen a few cheese fusions from both miltank and rattata/raticate

[digital ferry]

Anything from the last month or so is already being taken care of ^^ There might be some older ones that were missed, but I know the spritepack folks have been tracking them down so hopefully it'll all be sorted before the next pack drops ^^

[limpid steppe]

How to evolve rock ruff

[white meadow]

Lvl 25

[limpid steppe]

K thanks

[finite sage]

Where is located Banette in Modern mode ?

[stuck bane]

Go to bot commands and ask, this is only a discussion for new Pokémon being added to the game

Also wait isn’t Banette always that static encounter in the one haunted house around the marsh route?

[orchid vault]

I'm pretty sure you can also just get shuppet in a few places, at least at the tower in lavender town and then evolve it

[fresh salmon]

Oh god so we already have a bunch of Bruxish fusions

[stuck bane]

over 50 in the gallery

[fresh salmon]

If Ludicolo makes it in like 80% of the montage will just be me rambling random desilusional and hopeful intrusive thoughts about why I want Ludicolo in IF

Probably more than 80%

[inland jewel]

yee, they were jynx alts

[fresh salmon]

Also if Spinda ever gets added I think they'll just choose a bunch of like 4 patterns or so and alternate between these

Or just have all Spinda patterns and make them disappear when fused

[fresh salmon]

So it's just de-Jynxify them and add them to Bruxish's slot

[inland jewel]

i mean, some sprite managers are already doing that

[fresh salmon]

Right

now start making Simisear, Simisage and Simipour fusions as Ambipom or Infernape alts

nah just kidding

Also Bruxish can lead to interesting fusions, the monkeys are just copy pastes one from the other

[royal drum]

Oh right, this aged like wine.

[stuck bane]

I think spinda will only be one slot, for autogenerated sprites you might be able to make the patterns work, but for customs what are you going to do ask every spriter to make over 4 billion variations of a fusion with a single Pokémon? It’d be almost impossible to autogenerate patterns on custom sprites because you can’t predict what colors or patterns the spriter would use for a custom. Let alone the nightmare you’d face with all 4 billion spinda patterns being self fused with all 4 billion other spinda patterns, I don’t think the game can even hold that many sprites, not happening, it’ll just be patterns the spriter feels like putting on if I had to guess

[white meadow]

To be fair if they dont allow giving Spinda fusions spots they could add the auto gen for Spots spinda has

[white meadow]

I mean all curent paterns of Spinda are Auto gen

[stuck bane]

Ok and how would you put those on custom sprites? Like tell all spinda spriters “don’t put any spots on your spinda fusion at all, and we’ll use that one spinda spot generation website to add the spots randomly”

Not to mention colors: what if someone uses spinda’s exact shade of red for jynx’s lips or something, and then spots mess up the look of the fusion?

My answer would probably be the simplest, but they could do something more depending on coding restraints

[dim sparrow]

It'd just be the spriter gets to decide where the spots go

[white meadow]

I mean you could make that a rule🤷

[glass patio]

ADD 4,294,967,296 SPINDA FORMS WITH A DIFFERENT DEX NUMBER EACH 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Man I can’t wait to make a sprite for spinda dex number 4,294,962,273

[white meadow]

You know that you would only get a point pattern that you have to copy on your fusion going with that system

[naive ledge]

how do you know if the new pokemon are in your game, just find them, stupid question i know but i dont know if just clicking the update or install folder did the trick?

[white meadow]

when your verion is 6 or above they are in

[plucky lily]

I’m really happy Bruxish got added because it means Pokémon fused with it are gonna serve more Fem designs and I’m here for it.

[hoary blade]

I’m hoping for Mightyena

I just want more dog-like fusions, even if they’re not strong or whatever

[vague fog]

i am not sure why, but i really don't like Bruxish

[stuck bane]

if you're not sure why maybe you're lying to yourself

[glass patio]

kill the fish… kill the fish…

[round igloo]

Bruxish looks like you took that makeup gun from the Simpsons and shot it indiscriminately into the ocean.

[glass patio]

lmfao

[vague fog]

i think its the lips and teeth

[glass patio]

it’s definitely the lips and teeth

why is it looking at me like that

[hushed mantle]

Bruh fish or however it is spelled

[dusty arrow]

how many people do you think left when brux got added

[tidal perch]

More than the Meloetta haters for sure
(I like both, just saying)

[feral bear]

Tbh the bruxish reveal backlash wasnt as bad as the altaria/noivern meltdown

[sterile verge]

The addition of 2 dragons Altaria and Noivern plus them dancing on the ashes of the (at the time deconfirmed) palossand fans grave does that lol

[civic harness]

200 Despairs in Announcements

[terse mauve]

Can someone send the games download

[agile olive]

#downloads

[dull root]

If anyone genuinely left or was up in arms about Bruxish being added, I'm comfortable calling them out for it. It's a nice addition for diversity in sprites and it's not even like something else would've taken it's place if it didn't get in

[lime gull]

Id just call them spoiled entitled lil brats

Theyre getting an awesome game for free and theyre still not happy

[mild sedge]

brunxfish 🐟

[clever atlas]

FINALLY! SOMEONE SAID IT! IM NOT THE ONLY SANE PERSON ON THIS CHAT!

[elfin goblet]

i want want dudunsparce and annilape in the game as stone evos with the dawn stone and dusk stone

https://tenor.com/view/lizzy-live-reaction-dudunsparce-dunsparce-pokemon-gif-17166998069965712414

[feral bear]

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Completion Level: 71.06%
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Newly Added: 95(!!!)

Head:
Completion Level: 77.11%
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WIPS: 14 | Claims: 17
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[silk cobalt]

I think Bruxish has a lot of design potential and has an interesting ability.

[bold atlas]

tbh I kinda want to see fusions that give a pokemon Buxish's pattern, could look cool
but ik most are just gonna focus on making them ugleh and ofc the mouth ruins it :/

[red radish]

i cant believe this is a real screenshot

you're like the nostradamus of pokemon fangames

[clever atlas]

THE PROPHECY IS TRUE!!!

[prime dust]

not possible

anything past gen 7 will never be added in
#pif-hoenn-discussion message

it is a coding issue

in order to add anything past Gen 7; one of 2 things would need to be true

1. The Pokemon Essentials Code that IF uses, V18, would need to be updated to a higher version, V21, while retaining all the other stuff that IF has in terms of code [RPG Maker XP + Custom Frogman stuff] and still have it functional

2. Find a way to downgrade V21 Pokemon Essentials Code into V18 while retaining all the other stuff that IF has in terms of code, and still have it functional

[elfin goblet]

ok then can i at least get spheal back 🥺

[prime dust]

either way you are effectively remaking the game from scratch [which some people are attempting via Project Amalgam]...but its been radio silent

[lament tundra]

From what I've heard, IF's code barely resembles Essentials anymore.

[prime dust]

maybe...what gets added in and when is mainly up to frogman

[lament tundra]

So it would be even more difficult to remake it and expect it to work

[elfin goblet]

ok

[lost pebble]

Rip. The fish made it in

I still hold out hope for type:null making it one day in, as the ultimate fusion pokemon

It would be such good thematic and story potential

[silent acorn]

Nah that's not even close to the ultimate fusion pokemon, more like the Arceus alternative.

[unique flame]

just here to say im so glad bruxish was chosen, good color pallete to use as head 3 good abilities and 475 base stats

and happy its nota legendary we have way more than we need

[keen meteor]

Strong Jaw wirh STAB Psychic Fangs

looking for a good dark type head to have STAB Crunch

[unique flame]

why head and not body

anyway those should be good

if you really want it to be head hydreigon is your answer

[keen meteor]

Bruxish fuse with body gets psychic

akso Bruxish knows Crunch, so just looking for a good dark type head

[unique flame]

than you have more options

i hope we have scarlet mons as options on the next voting if we ever have one

[sullen elbow]

scroll up a bit

[unique flame]

yeah its better not touch it than

[silent acorn]

Unlikely to happen. It's not even close to likely given that the engine doesn't even allow Gen 8 mons

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[silent acorn]

I would love to have hatterene. I do like how she is a lady fighting mon. Shame that one isn't common

[grave jolt]

Walrein, Archen, and pachirisu are my personal pics atm, but frog will get to it when/if they desire.

[prime dust]

don't just say it is unlikely to happen, it won't happen

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[kind fern]

i honestly dont know how to feel rn

about bruxish getting in

but i still long for the day when i get to see eelektross get added

[grave jolt]

I'm mildly displeased with bruxish, especially since a several people complained about eye strain when looking at it, but it is what it is.

[silent acorn]

Damn I was saying it like that to not squash the sliver of a chance, but you straight up kill it lol

[silent acorn]

It ain't bad. Atleast it ain't a certain squirrel

[prime dust]

it was dead long ago

beyond just frogman saying so, it is a coding issue

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[silent acorn]

I was making my sinnoh tier yesterday but I didn't finish it

[stuck bane]

Well, frog also said it was impossible to add any more Pokémon beyond the first 420, so it’s not IMPOSSIBLE, but much more likely we’ll see the entirety of the Gen 7 nat dex added (excluding things like dusk Lycanroc) before even considering Gen 8+, if at all.

[inland jewel]

To be fair, it was impossible with the old fusion system where every fusion was it’s own separate block of code

With the newly revamped system, it is now possible to get all up to gen 7, we could have had gen 8-9 IF Frogman had started the project when they were in the base packet he used

But when he started the modules only had up to gen 7

[white meadow]

pretty sure that changing an entire generation worth of mechanics is way harder to figure out than finding a way to fit more pokemon

[inland jewel]

I mean, the reason why we don’t have gen 8-9 is because of Essentials massive coding overhaul (which happened twice after he made the game, in addition to the one time he upgraded it broke the game to be unplayable

The compromise is we add the Pokémon but none of the gen8-9 moves or abilities

[stuck bane]

It would also technically be possible to manually code new Pokémon, similar to cool dino, but that would take so much time and effort that frog may not even consider it to be worth

…though I think he still said that if someone found a way to make Gen 8+ work easily he’d give them one Mon of their choice to add into the game, so that offer is still on the table

But we really don’t need the “people in fur suit” starters from Galar anyways so who cares?

[inland jewel]

If we could do gen 8 then my go to picks would be Hatenna, Copperajah and the fossils

Like we can actually have the full fossils and not those amalgams

[blazing idol]

I Want To Make A Pokemon Fusion Can I Make A Drawing And Upload it Here ? And My Idea is Making Mewtwo + Cinderace Gen 1 + Gen 8 🙄 And The Name of This Fused Pokemon is Cindertwo/Mewrace And Don't Theft My Maked Names in Future Fused Pokemons 😐

[inland jewel]

It would go into #1050404143807873157 but not the #sprite-gallery

[blazing idol]

So Tell Me How Can I Go To #sprite-gallery 😐

[agile olive]

read #spriting-guidelines

[agile olive]

cinderace is not in the game, only sprites for the game go to gallery. also the pokemon fusion names are auto generated.

[blazing idol]

So When The Pokemon Infinite Fusion Owner Add Gen 8 in Game ? And Names Are Auto Generated Really ! I think it's AI Work 🤨 And Also Thank You For Give Me Information Holgast Duck 🦆 😅

[agile olive]

gen 8 and above will never be added to the game

[stuck bane]

With current coding, never, as we were talking about

[agile olive]

LOL oh yeah it was literally the discussion just above

with sources from the dev

[stuck bane]

We’re gonna need to start writing “gen 8 will never be added” on bricks and use them to beat the point into people’s skulls (or alternatively, GIVE US A PINNED MESSAGE PLEASE)

[agile olive]

no llm/ai needed, it's just a basic script where each mon name has a prefix/suffix depending on whether it's a head or body and they get combined

[agile olive]

if there isn't a bot command there should be one 😛

[stuck bane]

Ooo that’s a good one too

[agile olive]

I'm sure it's been already suggested.

[inland jewel]

We got Bruxish as a Christmas gift, so which mon will be for New Years

It’s year of the dragon though…. So Kommo-O to finish the psuedos

[silent acorn]

He left hehe

So I got my Gen 4 tier list, this one is difficult for me because Gen 4 is my favorite and lots of my stuff is now in. Except for some little gems

[stuck bane]

it's a 1 slotter, so not kommo-o

[remote ibex]

man how yall hate something so much you gaslight your eyes into hurting

ive had glasses for years even i havent mastered this ability

[inland jewel]

bonus mon do not have to only take up one slot. Take Lycanroc for an example

[stuck bane]

great list, I only might move buizel line into bottom of usable, there could be some creative fusions between floats and weasels, at the very least it should share a tier with skuntank: skuntank has some things going for it like pompaour, but also some negatives like fart fusions

[inland jewel]

on another note, if they do give us a dragon for Year of the Dragon new years, then possible pokemon

Kommo-o line
Drampa,
Turtonator
Drudigon
and Dragalge

and the one that makes the most sense to add would be Kommo-o

[stuck bane]

@inland jewel you want to look at this, and then look at the fact that pirouette is 467, and then bruxish is 469, and we knew it was 2-slots since the 21st

it is a 1-slot

[inland jewel]

it finishes off the Psuedos, it adds another fighting type to the game,

[stuck bane]

yeah but not in this update

[inland jewel]

On the other hand, Dex num 470-472

[stuck bane]

470 was deconfirmed because hero said he wanted to make torkoal 470, it hasn't been decided yet

[inland jewel]

and we get even more mons , but i also see your point. this is just me copping since my favorite psuedo aint in yet

[stuck bane]

oh, well thanks for admitting copium, kommo-o would be cool, but unfortunately not this time around, minior and victini could be cool for new years theme

[inland jewel]

i mean... ultimately Frogman is the one who decideds which mons get added, so Hero hoping for Tokal to be 470 doesn't really matter

[stuck bane]

for these 2 mons (bruxish and 468) it did matter since it ruled out who was or wasn't an option, it also deconfirmed torkoal as 468 since he wouldnt say he wants torkoal to be 470 if it were already 468 or 469

[inland jewel]

it hurts worst since the mods have basically said Kommo-o had enough the votes, but they didn't put it in because we already had to many dragons

[stuck bane]

I mean, it's kind of a valid reason, same vein as the starters, but on the other hand it makes kommo-o very likely in a future vote since it technically made it (excluding starters)

[inland jewel]

I still feel like adding one dragon would be thematic to the year of the dragon thing.

[stuck bane]

oh wait it's year of the dragon?

oh 2024 is year of the dragon, that's actually a solid point towards something like druddigon

drampa? turtonator too?

[inland jewel]

it would be funny if thats what they were planning, adding a single stage dragon on new years

[stuck bane]

well I mean, our only guesses are victini for victory->fireworks->new years, or minior being akin to fireworks as well, the year of the dragon is a valid point to stand on

[inland jewel]

to be fair, i don't really see Victini as fireworks, i know people love victini though, as for Minior I really hope he gets in soon, I want to see the rockman fusion

[white meadow]

how does minior make a megaman fusion

[silent acorn]

I ignore the fart thing because you'd have to do that genuinely on purpose like spriting gas around it.

[stuck bane]

yeah victini is a bit of a stretch but its kind of the same vein

[white meadow]

this has gotta be one of the lamest jokes i have made yet

[stuck bane]

fair enough, to each their own

[silk narwhal]

I'M STILL ALIVE

[silent acorn]

Hello welcome back Sup?

[silk narwhal]

i kinda wanna get back into spriting, it's been soooo long

[stuck bane]

list of potential single slot dragon types to reference year of the dragon 2024:
Druddigon
Turtonator
Drampa
Guzzlord (even though it's a weird stand-alone UB, it technically has no counterparts)

[silk narwhal]

i need motivation to sprite again ngl

[digital ferry]

Bruxish

[silk narwhal]

not even at gunpoint

[digital ferry]

Can't blame me for trying

[silk narwhal]

i might have found something

palkia/lopunny making D4C

https://tenor.com/view/d4c-hello-hello-chat-jojo-jojo-bizzare-adventure-gif-26390892

[wanton coral]

OMG BRUXISH MADE IT

[silent acorn]

Oh that's a good one, that's a Legit good one

Alright I got a few gens down now. So let me recount
I got 3,4,5 and 6. Now I am only missing 7 which is a hard one.

[inland jewel]

Gen 7 goes hard for no reason

[wanton coral]

Bruxish is absolutely perfect for this game

[silent acorn]

Know what's funny is that i got the highest amount of tiers on Gen 6, while 5 is second despite having more mons and Gen 3 and 4 only have scraps and leftovers to go through

To be fair though... Gen 6 is mostly filled with form changes. Specially due to Zygarde and Hoopa, but the thing is that they count as separate pokemon

[white meadow]

i mean zygarde forms weren't a thing until gen 7, at least in the games

[silent acorn]

So like Zygarde technically speaking counts as 3 pokemon being just 1 slot, mostly speaking for the purpose of adding

[royal drum]

Man, why did you put the 2 best s-tier pokemon from gen 5 in trash tier, being sawk and throh

[silent acorn]

Yeah I don't like sesame street

[white meadow]

suck and throw (up)

[royal drum]

Their on par with bruxish, the best pokemon in if

[silent acorn]

Are you legit trolling or what? They are pretty crap

They only bully preevolve pokemon, evolved pokemon chew them for breakfast

They are fine stat wise but like... They are VERY, VERY BORING

[royal drum]

Wdym it's bruxish levels of peak design

Your not seeing it correctly

[inland jewel]

but what if i want to put pokemon in karate outfits 🙂

[robust geyser]

I just saw that Bruxish was added as a Christmas gift

I'm so happy for this, thank you Frogman

[empty pendant]

Sawk and Throh are just Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee with better stats but a way more bland design

[bold sand]

bruxish joining the oricorio club of "people only making heads and no bodies"

[stuck bane]

I've surprisingly seen alot of people making both heads and bodies at the same time of bruxish, swinub bruxish and the reverse, bidoof bruxish and the reverse, etc.

[stuck bane]

unfortunately a few things: torkoal was deconfirmed (for slot number 468 at least), shaymin is out since it's 2 forms are out of battle form changes, zygarde is out since even though complete form could be underscore system it still has the 10% dog form which iirc is another OoB form change, hoopa is out since it's 2 forms are also OoB form changes, I think devs are grouping heatmor and durant together so they're out too, melmetal and naganadel are out because 2 slots, and phione is also out because 2 slots, other than that eveerything looks good

oh wait silvally is 2 slots too because type: null, so it's out too

[uneven forum]

nah I think I'm willing to take the gamble that they'd ad Naganadel or Melmetal without the prevo

[stuck bane]

I promise you they won't but to each their own

[grave jolt]

honestly, I've never been a fan of Zyguarde complete. Gimme doggo

[uneven forum]

feesh

[feral bear]

I think that the age of adding mons without prevos is very much over

[stuck bane]

the dex numbers of preevos not being next to eachother are already confusing, I doubt they want to confuse it even more

[feral bear]

I think that the most logical thing to assume is that its prolly going to maybe be a possible single stage mon but who knows! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven forum]

wishiwashi would be interesting fusion fodder

just think it would be odd if the last 2 pokemon in the final dex are both fish

[feral bear]

I am so burnt out on water types fml

[white meadow]

we totally need a certain rock fairy type fr

[stuck bane]

well, we got one, perhaps the devs really want to spite the community (see how people behaved in the altaria reveal) because damn people were nasty, I don't blame them for wanting to anger the community as revenge

[uneven forum]

Top Picks: Tropius, Heatran, Manaphy, Victini, Diance, Minor, Sigilyph, Zygarde, and Xurkitree

[stuck bane]

ending it on alomomola/basculin AND bruxish would be so funny though

[white meadow]

(not)

[stuck bane]

although basculin is weird because of forms so my money is on alomomola for meme pick

[feral bear]

I think that zygarde is least likely, considering the convoluted mechanic of acquiring its form, it would need a whole new system created for it

[uneven forum]

I'm just wanting something that can be fodder for bonkers Fusions

Sigilyph being up there

[feral bear]

It would need to be a legend like melo if anything, who can just kinda be there without any special mechanics

[uneven forum]

Heatran works since it kinda acts as the Regigigas Counterpart for some unown reason

[feral bear]

Heatran would be cool

[stuck bane]

I don't think its that crazy, similar to necrozma get a certain number of cells set around the map and then determine 10% or 50% based on that, but it still would be a ton of work and similar to necrozma be one of the only legendaries we get in that "patch"

[white meadow]

well that's new, never heard of anyone calling heatran a counterpart

[uneven forum]

Want more Bug/Steel fusion options

[grave jolt]

We need more dragon types 😌 /j

[stuck bane]

wait is heatran a counterpart? to who?

[white meadow]

exactly, it isn't, at least not officially

[feral bear]

Regigigas? Or another?

[white meadow]

they are just two legendaries of the same region breh

[stuck bane]

but why regigigas? gigas is a standalone for sure

[feral bear]

Im just speculating

[white meadow]

it would be like calling mewtwo related to the birds

[feral bear]

Bird type mewtwo confirmed

[stuck bane]

flewtwo?

[uneven forum]

Flying is abnormally high because I just put Flying/Flying rather than Flying/Normal

[uneven forum]

Starting in Gen 7 I think they made Gigas and Hetran Version exclusives

[lost pebble]

Yes but its thematically important because its a symbol of humans mixing pokemon to make an ultimate pokemon. Its a chimera

[stuck bane]

well damn, i suppose you're right, there's also this one "regigigas being a modified heatran" theory that lists off a few more points as well, like the 2018 "year of legendary pokemon" pairing them and other things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonconspiracies/comments/abgy08/regigigas_is_a_modified_heatran/

so while I obviously don't believe the theory, heatran and regigigas are next to eachother in the dex among all the other reasons, I can use this to bend the rules and argue heatran is a counterpart. thank you!

[uneven forum]

dafaq

[white meadow]

what

[stuck bane]

no, the best pokemon to show fusion are the pokemon that have canonically fused, like black and white kyurem and the DNA splicers this whole game is based off of

[swift bison]

Ultra Beasts? Like Kartana, Buzzwole or Pheromosa? Or any other Single Form UB?

[stuck bane]

I don’t think the 1-slot will be pheromosa, Buzzwole, stakataka, Blacephalon, kartana, or Celesteela as they’re all counterparts. if I had to pick one UB it’d be nihilego as the first UB, but other things like Xurkitree and guzzlord could make some sense as they technically don’t have counterparts

[tame flax]

It could be cresselia

The counterpart of darkrai

[grave jolt]

maybe

[tame flax]

If they care about completing counterparts that is

It could also be something like

Any of the pika clones

Not a whole lot of single stage lines now that I think about it

[empty pendant]

Could be Tropius.

[grave jolt]

Would be incredibly funny if we got my favorite blue squirrel :3

[stuck bane]

well, there are a ton of single lines, but alot of them are out of the running because of being grouped together like zangoose seviper and heatmor durant, the prevailing theory is that it's a new years related mon (victini or minior, which are both kind of a stretch) or a single slot dragon to commemorate 2024 year of the dragon (druddigon, drampa, or turtonator), then again it could be something like alomomola for memes so it's anyone's guess

[tame flax]

Where did those theories come from?

[stuck bane]

well, victini because victory and fireworks therefore new years, kind of a stretch, and minior for similar reasons of being like a firework, another big stretch, but 2024 will be year of the dragon because chinese horoscopes, so someone had an idea it could be a dragon, but our only real options of a single slot dragon are the 3 mentioned above and guzzlord so that wouldn't be particularly great either

[tame flax]

Also cresselia has more "new years vibes", if that's even a thing, than the ones mentioned

Why is new years important?

[stuck bane]

you know, good point, lunar new year cresselia could have a shot

@tame flax see this, it was leaked a while back that there would be 2 slots left for added mons in the immediate future, does other stuff like deconfirm torkoal for these 2 slots at least, but our best guesses is that brux came for christmas and something else will come for new years since there were 2 planned slots

[tame flax]

I mean it kind of falls apart right there

[stuck bane]

I mean there aren't any huge january holidays besides new years right?

[tame flax]

No one in their right mind would call bruxish a Christmas pokemon, they just got revealed for christmas

[stuck bane]

yeah, that's true, but then every single slot mon has an equal chance and theres nothing to discuss, we acknowledge they're only theories and don't hold much if any relevant weight, it could be tropius, it could be druddigon, it could even be alomomola to spite the community once again, theories are only that, guesses, not confirmations.

[tame flax]

Whoever used that logic to come up with the new years theory should stop making theories, theyre not good at it

[stuck bane]

what that we'll get a mon for new years or vitini/minior have similarities to new years?

[woeful anchor]

Alomomola or luvdisc for february

[stuck bane]

hmmmmmmm maybe

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/blacephalon-pokemon-anime-explosion-mind-blown-gif-24092058

the firework mon

[stuck bane]

but would they intentionally add more fire to the counterpart arguments.... they added sharpedo without camerupt so maybe

[gray vine]

i didnt see you already mentioned it lul

[stuck bane]

wait did I? where?

[gray vine]

.

[gray vine]

welll the game is about fusing right? i dunno how much he cares for the whole strategy part, i dont so i would just add whatever

[stuck bane]

well yeah but thats more for kind of deconfirming because counterparts, counterparts are iffy when they do or don't hold weight, they don't hold weight for stuff like camerupt or lilligant/gothitelle, but at the same time they hold weight for stuff like regis and aurorus, anyone arguing counterparts HAVE to get in should probably be taken with a grain of salt, but yeah blacephalon does fit nicely for fireworks

[inland jewel]

Bruxish is slot 469. But Meloetta 2nd form is slot 467.

Then who is 468?

[white meadow]

we don't know

[sullen elbow]

that's what we have been theorising for the past few hours

[inland jewel]

when i said that, i was talking to the guy who was asking why we are speculating we are getting a new years mon, without checking to see if th convo had moved on

and it moved on for a while

[stuck bane]

Yeah idk what kind of question that is, if we know there’s a free slot, and it’s already decided, does he think it’ll just be revealed some random day in January? Nah, it’s probably gonna be revealed on new years (or a day before like bruxish)

[grave jolt]

Isn't frog taking the full holidays off of reveals?

[inland jewel]

Nah, he was asking why we were speculating minior, victini, or a dragon mon

question: Why is new years important

answer- we have a slot still open, we revealed something for christmas, so something must be coming on new years

[grave jolt]

I figured we'd get at least a week after Jan 1 before the new reveal, prob more.

[brisk solstice]

[inland jewel]

i mean, even if everyone had christmas and new years off for holidays, its easy to just say "Hey for new years we are going to add this mon"

that most likely means the update with meloetta and the other mons aren't being added until after new years

[stuck bane]

Not even add it, just announce it, since it’s all finalized frog technically will still be taking the holidays off

[last pecan]

theories theories theories

[low dock]

Delicious theories 🍿

[last pecan]

i wonder if youll get it right

[brisk solstice]

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure the mon itself won't be "new years" themed, that's just silly

[low dock]

Yr silly :>

[stuck bane]

Oh well that’s fair, of course nobody could predict that, maybe it will, maybe it won’t, maybe it’ll be a new years mon by accident, but announcing it on Jan 1st to start off the new year strong doesn’t seem far fetched at all

[last pecan]

heres your one hint (thorns): 468 was a staff pick, i wont give any further details

[low dock]

Why am I in parinthisis?

[stuck bane]

So deconfirming victini since it’s 000?

[low dock]

You know we don't use offical numbers :>

[stuck bane]

But it would be funny if victini were anyways

[low dock]

I never liked victinni being 000

[white meadow]

Oh no that only ended good the first time when we got Scoli XD

[low dock]

Who's to say it won't be good this time too?

Then again. People have wildly different opinions of what is good or not

[brisk solstice]

People tend to crowd together for new years. You know what else crowds together?
Schools of fish

[low dock]

[civic harness]

Hello there

[low dock]

We're not even sure if it will be anounced on new years. That's just speculation :>

[brisk solstice]

Valid lol

[silent acorn]

Frog is stubbornly faithful to the games unless it becomes virtually impossible to do so.

[marble meadow]

Speaking of Bruxish isn’t there a touhou character who’s dress is colorfull could be a costum guardevoir bruxish fusion

[low dock]

He's added mons without the preo before

[last pecan]

that was space based

[silent acorn]

As i said stubbornly faithful he didn't keep it that way lol

[last pecan]

we have nigh infinite space now

[low dock]

[silent acorn]

Damn dude manaphy sucks big ballz

[low dock]

Kid named Manaphy:

[silent acorn]

Well yes thats true.
Well manaphy completes included with Phione since that's Canon and as rules of being stubborn come Frog would have to add both
As much as we know how sucky Phione is

[stuck bane]

Well, here’s to the hope that staff pick number 468 will be as good as scolipede, or another unova Mon

[silent acorn]

I am vouching for heatran like I did here

For many reasons since I inspected it closer and does have enough good things to make it an excellent choice

For instance like one guy mentioned Heatran has Flash fire on steel fusions with grass or bug that's golden

[low dock]

Trutwig and co are already in the game

[silent acorn]

Oh that's just for space and order.

[stuck bane]

Man remember during the sharpedo reveal when a staff member added the Manaphy Kyogre gif without realizing Manaphy was there? Good times

[silent acorn]

How often do we see this one?

[low dock]

Oje

[silent acorn]

Anyway out of Gen 4 Heatran is quite golden, as it kinda sticks out for both good and bad

My problem with cresselia is that despite being pretty it's move it's one of the worst types of move there is

[stuck bane]

Why bad? Don’t tell me people hate it’s design

[silent acorn]

For its Gen where we had so much crazy stuff it kinda was

[stuck bane]

Like what? Also I’m talking about heatran

[low dock]

I don't like heatran's design :>

[stuck bane]

This means war ||jk, to each their own, I know heatran wasn’t a fav to many but it was to me as a kid||

[low dock]

I was also just really done with pokemon by the 4th generation. So my opinion's a tad skewed

[silent acorn]

What made ya come back then? Don't tell me it was Tsareena.

[low dock]

It was gen 6. I loved it :>

[silent acorn]

Favorite mon?

[low dock]

🤔

[silent acorn]

None? All good?

[low dock]

Can't think of one 😅

It was mostly that it was a huge refresh to the series. Also helped that I could play in japanese. And i was studying japanese at the time

[digital ferry]

Gen 4’s really grown on me over the years. I like pretty much every gen design-wise tho 7’s probably my favorite

[mystic crystal]

You guys are reading into any staffs comments too hard lol; not everything is a clue

that being said I now believe the next mon is Minior from doing that same thing

[low dock]

7 has the best pokemon designs imo

[white meadow]

true!

[low dock]

Pyuku and maranie are two of my faves

[white meadow]

really the only design i really dislike is crabominable

[stuck bane]

Im actually not basing my guesses on what staff say, I think victini still has a shot I was just making a joke, but Gen 6 and 7 got a lot of love this past update so I’m sure people are happy with that

[low dock]

Valid

[silent acorn]

They are unique for regions rather than being stuff you find over and over again, like pikachu for the 100th time

[low dock]

That said, togedemaru is supposed to be the pukaclone

PUKACLONE 🤣

[stuck bane]

Idk if I’d say Gen 7 has the best designs in the entire series, but they are bangers, and we are missing the most “awesomely designed” gen 7 mons in IF at least so maybe that’s skewing our perception

[silent acorn]

It's cute it's a little hamster

[marble meadow]

i Rember it was chimata from touhou

[low dock]

Thouggt it was a hedgehog

[stuck bane]

Actually wait a minute, Gen 7 had pyukumuku, Gen 8 had Pincurchin…

[white meadow]

idk it seems kinda massive for a hamster

[low dock]

I never contradicted this :>

[mystic crystal]

I'd say Gen 7 has one of the most consistent levels of quality across it's mons; I like about 90% of their dex, but most aren't really my all time favourites

as opposed to Gen 8 or 9 where the quality really varies

[digital ferry]

I thought Togedemaru was a porcupine

[low dock]

Too smol for a porcupine

[stuck bane]

It doesn’t seem to be based on any specific animal

[silent acorn]

Opera gator and trickster cat are really high concept, then you got quaquaval... Why a duck again?

[low dock]

[silent acorn]

May be based on. Meaning they are just throwing guesses

[stuck bane]

However if I put on my tinfoil hat (since I’m not insane) and notice this message right here, I can therefore confirm it’s togedemaru and everyone else is wrong

[silent acorn]

Tell me what part of togedemaru looks like a chinchilla?

[low dock]

https://tenor.com/view/ёж-gif-26077268

[silent acorn]

It's minior

[low dock]

It seems very hedgehog to me personally

[silent acorn]

To be honest guessing the one with a single slot as a staff pick would be hard.

[digital ferry]

I can see that

[stuck bane]

It does have hedgehog qualities too

[digital ferry]

We thought we were going to get 2 but then Frogzilla decided to make Meloetta count for 2 again 😢

[mystic crystal]

I always believed it was a hedgehog, it makes the most sense to me

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/chimata-touhou-touhou18-unconnected-marketeers-chimata-dance-gif-22963665

[silent acorn]

You know if I had to give myself a gift I would pick Furfrou, Heatran or Minior mostly because they are shiny, cute and they work well

[white meadow]

a small price to pay to make pirouette viable

[marble meadow]

Bruxish maybe as a fusion ref

[low dock]

I was hoping for pangoro

[silent acorn]

I mean i can't hate froggo for that, if he can't physically do something then I can't be hard on him for finding a solution

[digital ferry]

Ah yes, the cutest Pokémon, Heatran

[digital ferry]

(I’m not disagreeing btw)

[marble meadow]

Gwoabobobo

[low dock]

He could, he just didn't want to :>

[silent acorn]

I mean... Eh I like separate forms

[stuck bane]

Pangoro is a great one had it been possible to get in, but finding pirouette in the wild in randomized mode is something I probably would’ve picked as well

[marble meadow]

agreed he’s the jevil of if

[silent acorn]

Also just a reminder that cosmetic is just cosmetic so technically you can just add one and switch Sprites accross them all to the one you want.

[digital ferry]

Yeah, he also decided to veto one of the mons we were considering at one point. This was when we thought we still had two tho, so I don’t think I’m giving too much away by saying this ^^

[silent acorn]

Like furfrou, Minior and Sawsbuck have that and don't change anything in gameplay so you just switch them as if you were switching clothes.

[low dock]

Don't give them too many hints :>

[marble meadow]

yeah can’t wait for more touhou fusions

[low dock]

Minior's stats do change. But it's the same as agislash

[digital ferry]

Sorry I couldn’t resist ^^

[silent acorn]

In a way but stat changes in battle are different from changing whole abilities and stuff, I think it's more workable since the form change is more cosmetic.

[stuck bane]

Trust me, like before if I notice a hint and nobody else does I’ll message one of you before bringing attention to it, but saying something was vetoed isn’t giving away much at all: it could’ve been the basculin situation, could’ve been some other mons code, etc.

[low dock]

Frogman vetoed my knuckles suggestion

[silent acorn]

No he didn't, it's right here

To be fair I just hope they went with gameplay possibilities for the last thing.
Also as I said before imagine being able to use Zen Darmanitan and Darmanitan separate, that could be fun.

[marble meadow]

Statue/stone

even though I still believe in Malamar supremecy but idk if it’s not in

[digital ferry]

Yeah, since it’s just one of the ones we were considering, not necessarily the one that won, and it could’ve been either a one or two stage line, I think it’s fine ^^

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-james-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25091008

Also how many mons that james owened are in if

[low dock]

Chingaling's not in if

[digital ferry]

Carnivine’s another one

[marble meadow]

so then I should have enough mons for a james theme run

4 in total of James mons are not in I forgot he had a sus amonguss

[white meadow]

Finaly were able to make a non reference fusion of Scolitrum I like it!

[silent acorn]

I was actually thinking of suggesting this one to Rick Before. Good stuff!

[white meadow]

Thanks!

also not new but funny Golem² wip XD

[silent acorn]

Oh I saw this one lol

[white meadow]

Good that I have big Sprites atm cuz I need to fill that hole until 28.Dec XD

[silent acorn]

Frossey
Just sayin...it ain't taken I don't think

[white meadow]

I know I have problems making the sprite XD

It gets on my Second year Pic!
I want to give it quality and I only can make good quality when I have the idea and feel like it

[silent acorn]

Hehehe happy to hear I ain't the only struggling on the other one. I wanna make an angel and my inner Michelangelo isn't waking up lol

[white meadow]

Its awefull sometimes
You just dont get the idea you need

[silent acorn]

I wanted to change froslass like cone shape back of the head to maybe a hood type of little mask? But it's hard trying not to make it like ugly

I also haven't summited because I feel like I wanna get a specific design down.

[white meadow]

yeah thats the magic in Spriting, fusing and designe not to fuck up both mons look

[silent acorn]

I got this just to give a tease on the head

[white meadow]

Looks good
Bit creepy like Froslass cut off blissys face/head and wears it as mask but looks good XD

[silent acorn]

Thanks! I wanted to get a bit of a opinion from you cuz I wanna nail that vibe. My idea is that while we are talking about how innocent and gentle blissey is, this is still a froslass fusion that can cause people pain. I wanted to stray from the cartoonish eyes and mix them with froslass cold eye shape.

I picked this side specifically because it's the most evil one of the two.

[white meadow]

I love what I see there
But little tip left and top is colord outline right and bottom Black

[silent acorn]

You mean the black outline around the other bun? Yeah

That's where it gets complicated, I limited myself to taking and reusing Blissey's color palette which is the little bunch of pixels next to the main sprite

The real thing I wanna do with the fact it looks like Froslass took Blissey's head is making the hood part in the back a bunch of little feathers

[white meadow]

Yeah its ust on what sides the Outlines have or dont have color

[silent acorn]

The back hood part I was still doing from. Scratch. I didn't fully read the guidelines sadly lol

[white meadow]

But you will learn that im sure you will make a fantastic Sprite

[silent acorn]

Thank you

[white meadow]

Do it
I know it takes a lot of time but me for example read it 3 times + some parts every now and than!
And a lot of practise comes when your actually a Spriter and recieve more and more feedback

[silent acorn]

That's true. I just need to find the time. And I am mostly doing the sprite as I feel it. Not really using techniques but I go with my guts, but yeah I am wanting to. I am mostly sticking to splicing for the time being of Blisslass as I wanna use it for a run

But I'll learn from the guidelines eventually thanks Cipher for the push

I'll keep pushing for our mons, who knows... I may become a gogoat main too

[rocky condor]

Ok chat, from what i've heard from rumors in the server, the 468 pokemon is apparently a pokemon from PMD. The dream's not dead yet boys

i'm hoping so hard

[stuck bane]

Well, last time you said a Pokémon from PMD was gonna win the raffle, you were technically right, since it was meloetta ||by the way meloetta actually did bring a PMD reference with the dark frost or whatever from the newer games||

[rocky condor]

"Meloetta? More like MIDlowetta "

-this post was made by the chatot lovers. React to this message if you're a true slur slinger

[stuck bane]

The sad truth is that most Pokémon won’t bring PMD sprites, only ones here and there for stuff like wigglytuff guild and sharpedo cliff, chatot is no exception as it’ll bring more music fusions instead of people referencing that one time it got attacked in a cave

I love PMD explorers of sky too, but as a spin-off, I think it has as many sprites as the joke Pokémon rumble sprites do

[rocky condor]

yeah, but to be fair, chatot's got loads more potential than just PMD and music fusions.

Like that man is surprisingly robust with fusion ideas

[stuck bane]

Pirate is a stretch but ill allow it, it would bring a handful of PMD sprites but not enough to count as a reason, parrot sprites is super fair, it would bring note related fusions but a surprising ton of meloetta ones have done that as well, and tropical fusions is fair. So that’s 3 reasons, 4 if we’re including music notes which Melo already references. Definitely a good pick, but I’d wait a few batches of updates before considering it

[digital ferry]

Source

[rocky condor]

Hints from NotToMention and the frogmans bird

~~if chatot gets in i will literally become a spriter just for pmd fusions ~~

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sauce-crackermilk-ketchup-stain-gif-21853289

[rocky condor]

also the way you said that...

Pix, don't look at me in the eyes and tell me chatot actually got in. If he did i am gonna be ecstatic

my propaganda would have worked

[stuck bane]

Nah he’s just wary of leaks after the previous incident

[white meadow]

Chatot isnt bad its kinda nice

[rocky condor]

Oh he's better than nice.

This whole thing made me go from wanting chatot just for pmd references to them becoming my favorite non legendary because they're cute as shit.

[digital ferry]

I just like seeing people speculate on things I know the answer to

[rocky condor]

The chatot pipeline is real

[stuck bane]

On a serious note, we do at least know it was voted on by staff, so maybe your propaganda did have a chance of working, not alot but there’s still a slim chance

[rocky condor]

Also lets not forget my two magnum opus's.

[rocky condor]

Who on the staff? I need to shake their hand

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-chatot-split-depth-gif-23701772

[stuck bane]

Seems like a staff vote, similar to how scolipede was voted in by staff, so idk who was or wasn’t

[digital ferry]

It was a new staff vote for those of us who joined after Scolipede was chosen

[rocky condor]

im gonna take them home and never let them go

bird

[stuck bane]

Ooooo I see, congrats on your vote then!

[rocky condor]

Congrats on the staffing and vote Pix

[gusty shuttle]

BRUXISH AINT NO WAY

[stuck bane]

Ooooo Pidove man wait here 1s

[gusty shuttle]

Ok

[stuck bane]

Thanks for supporting unova, have some ammunition for the next vote!

Unfezant: is a Mon used on ash’s team, dove fusions, also with good attack and speed, and fully evolves at level 32 (can be obtained directly after Surge on hard mode with level caps)

[rocky condor]

Dw man, you'll get pidove soon. It'll just look, sound, and be shaped kinda like a chatot

[gusty shuttle]

🤔

[digital ferry]

You know Chatot isn’t confirmed right @rocky condor?

[stuck bane]

You’ll learn the lengths of how deep copium runs in desperate people soon pix

[rocky condor]

Currently injecting the hopium directly into my veins with a tourniquet, (also i was joking)

who needs heroin when you got copium and hopium

[digital ferry]

I got a bit of a taste for it on Bruxmas Eve ^^

[stuck bane]

Fair enough

[rocky condor]

As much as i hate bruxish, the funniest shit would be y'all adding bruxish again.

not even a bruxish alt, just a second bruxish in the pokedex that's exactly the same

[gusty shuttle]

I'm not sure what I'm reading sorry I need a bit of context on this

[weak trellis]

bruxish 2, the sequel to bruxish

the alt sprite is for veluza

[stuck bane]

@gusty shuttle I had made a giant list of reasons you should vote every single unova Mon, I’m just handing them out individually to people if I see em (see what I’m replying to)

[gusty shuttle]

Oh my god man you're a hero

Thanks for the support to the cause I've been bullied 'round here

[rocky condor]

Dw man, i know how you feel lol. As much as i gas em up, the pokemon that I want in is definitely one of the lesser wanted pokemon in the game.

[stuck bane]

I gotchu bro, besides meloetta, we only got less than half of what all the other big regions this update, and I will not put up with such disrespect, so I’m taking matters into my own hands, Godspeed

[white meadow]

Man Unfezant is Underrated as fuck
Sadly in PIF the gender diffrence wont exist and we probably only see male fusions

[finite thistle]

Oh boy, Chatot would be so much fun to use. Chatter would be really fun to experiment with, though I wish we could give it Aerialate

[rocky condor]

god i hope they allow mic usage for chatter, it'd be so funny 😭

[finite thistle]

I'd die

It would be insane, as long as the volume doesn't effect the confusion chance. Gen 5 made sure it was real bad

[stuck bane]

That would be hilarious, if it could work

[feral bear]

The next mon is [redacted]

[stuck bane]

According to a divine message received from the heavens, the Mon is ||either heatran or Alomomola||

[finite thistle]

Maybe if we get Primarina we could give it Liquid Voice

Heatran sounds incredibly scary

[brisk vessel]

It's IRON BUNDLE

(Trust me bro)

[finite thistle]

Alomomola is still my least favorite Pokemon, so it better not get in before Luvdisc

[feral bear]

I heard it was gonna be luvdisc

God can you imagine

[rocky condor]

I still can't believe they never made alomomola a luvdisc evolution.

[brisk vessel]

This reminds me that Alomomola is actually good competitively now

[stuck bane]

It doesn’t get flip turn in Gen 7, so you can’t do the Doublade flip turn eviolite strats the showdown players were doing in nat dex, but it’s still the highest hp Mon possible that also has regenerator, when fused with blissey:

Alomomola: one of the highest hp stats in the game with access to regenerator, and the only water type with access to healer

[finite thistle]

Still waiting on a regional variant for Luvdisc/Cacturne. The only redundant Pokemon left to get ones

[stuck bane]

What makes them redundant?

[feral bear]

I hope that the new mon is new years themed

[finite thistle]

Pokemon like Maractus just take design real estate away from older Pokemon, which makes them less likely to evolve. Regional Variants are a nice alternative

[stuck bane]

It is if staff picked one that is

[finite thistle]

What is the animal this year?

[feral bear]

They picked it but they were blindfolded and frogman spun them around :/

[stuck bane]

Dragon, so we were guessing that, but it’s all null and void considering it was a staff pick, unless one staff convinced all the others to pick a 1-slot dragon

[finite thistle]

Can they be legendaries?

[feral bear]

I was thinking more general new years theme

[stuck bane]

We don’t know, but if frogman was vetoing certain things, I imagine not since he probably doesn’t want to make another legendary event on top of meloetta, but we’ll see

[feral bear]

I think it will be bruxish 2

[rocky condor]

I saw someone say it was a pokemon from PMD so it has to be a one stage mon that's in PMD that's not in infinite fusion yet i'm pretty sure

[stuck bane]

So Alomomola

[rocky condor]

nah cause at least they're viable online now

[stuck bane]

Why are you booing me? I’m right! Name one Pokémon that’s more bruxish 2 than Alomomola, because at least bruxish has mechanics, so it can’t be luvdisc

[rocky condor]

The worst part is that you're not even wrong 😭

[brisk vessel]

For those who don't know
The main niche of Bruxish is that it's one of the few Priority Blocker mons in the game

[stuck bane]

The only water and psychic one at that!

[finite thistle]

Which is kind of eh, with how bad its defensive stats are. Rather go with Strong Jaw shinanigans with Rats

[stuck bane]

Hold on I had it somwhere

[brisk vessel]

There are like 3 priority blockers in the franchise tbf

[finite thistle]

More if you count Psychic Terrain setters

[stuck bane]

For anyone who isn’t crying who wants to know what bruxish mechanically brings: Good attack and speed, the only water and psychic type to get strong jaw, and the only mon that gets dazzling

[brisk vessel]

It's literally only
Bruxish
Tsareena
Farigiraf

Excluding Psychic Terrain (which would basically just add Tapu Lele and Indeedee)

[stuck bane]

You can now make water dark sharpedo that has strong jaw! Sharpedo fans should be so happy

[finite thistle]

Diet Mega Sharpedo

[brisk vessel]

I thought people preferred Speed Boost on the shark

[stuck bane]

Yes but it’s funny to think our brux has stronger jaws than the shark

[finite thistle]

It's a slightly more interesting mon thanks to it wanting to balance how many speed boosts it can get in before it Megas

[stuck bane]

Wait, omg excluding mega blaziken and the Gen 8+ mons, we have all the possible speed boost mons in the game now

[proud lion]

What if it is Luvdisc and 470 is Amolamola

[finite thistle]

Someone give me a custom fusion sprite for those two

[digital ferry]

Plot twist. It’s just Alomomola

[fading fable]

https://tenor.com/view/alohomora-wand-spell-magic-spell-harry-potter-gif-16852614

[desert narwhal]

Me when big fish

[midnight wharf]

my literal least favorite pokemon is the next one coming... Sigh

[stuck bane]

bruxish? or your guess for 268?

[sterile verge]

I doubt it's his guess for 268 lol

[feral bear]

I wouldnt be surprised tbh

[dusty arrow]

dont forget a better psychic stab than zen headbutt thats also boosted by strong jaw

[clever atlas]

Ngl, xurkitree would've been a banger pick to represent a christmas tree

[inland geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/seedot-gif-25300952

i dont see enough seedot talk c:

[covert bone]

Ursaluna would be a great and strong pokemon to add

[clever atlas]

Post gen 7 Pokémon are never going to be added
The game engine makes it impossible unless a miracle happens

[prime dust]

less game engine more coding

[clever atlas]

I mean maybe both but im pretty sure the engine version is atleast part of the reason

[dim sparrow]

No more fish

[dim sparrow]

I assume it's because of all the fusions because it's not hard at all normally to add new Pokémon

[prime dust]

fusions aren't an issue anymore

that changed with 6.0

frogman found a way to change how the game handles them; now fusions are done on the fly; so the limit we had before is gone

the only limit now is Gen 7; anything past that requires significant code changes/updates [to the point you'd effectively have to remake the game]

[prime dust]

the game engine has almost nothing to do with the limitation, it is all on Pokemon Essentials

Frogman actually tried early in development, to update to a higher version of that, and it pretty much broke everything [and that was just going from V18 to V19]

[dim sparrow]

strange

I've added gen 8+ stuff to essentials before (maushold + population bomb)

[prime dust]

frog had started the code in v18; when he tried to update to v19 [for some reason] it broke everything, he scrapped the idea

at this point the code of the game is so far removed that I'm not sure it is possible to do

but if gen 8+9 were to be a thing, in IF; one of 2 things would need to occur

1. The existing spaghetti of the game would need to remain the same, while Pokemon Essentials is updated from V18 to V21 [that is the version I know has all of Gen 8 and 9 in it...barring maybe some of the dlc stuff from Gen 9]

2. The existing spaghetti of the game would need to remain the same, while V21 of Pokemon Essentials is downgraded to V18

there is a small group attempting to do a sequel or their own variant of IF with mons the game doesn't have [and possibly other regions] called Project Amalgam...but they've effectively gone radio silent from what little I know [also there's a chance that because they were using Unity for the game, they may have had to switch engines thanks to the nonsense that happened]

[low wadi]

BRUXISH REAL?!

shoutout to devs such a good choice to add in

[inland jewel]

when he started the game is was like V18 of Essentials, but the more he worked on it, the more he heavily changed the code, so much so that its not V18 anymore. its now its own seperate coding language/entity.
As such, any immediate upgrades from V18 to V19 or V21 is not viable.

to upgrade someone has to learn how to translate V21 to another coding language, one that only frogman knows

V21 which had 2 major code overhauls/file redundancies since V18

on another note, if what staff has said is true about Thorns hint, then the only pokemon in the single slot with thorns is Maractus, Drudigan and Tortonator, Togedemaru

[dim sparrow]

ah makes sense

what thorns hint?

[inland jewel]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message this

though maybe not

since the guy's name is thorns

[dim sparrow]

That's definitely just talking about thorns the admin 🙃

But it does mean 468 is a staff pick

[inland jewel]

we already know its a single stage mon

which will probably be revealed on new years

[prime dust]

well you're asking in the wrong discord

infinity fusions this is not; this is infinite fusion

[sterile spoke]

Not the channel for this.

What does everyone think of our lovely Christmas present to you, by the way? 🙂

[silk fox]

I need this FOR Infinity fusions

[silk fox]

What the channel i need?

[sterile spoke]

Maybe #general or #tech-support. Not here anyway, and any other comments about it will be deleted.

[silent acorn]

I think he said it was mon they were originally considering, then Pix came saying it was one of the pokemon they vetoed from the staff picks I think

[silent acorn]

It's down to one mon. The candidates are mostly good. Except for basic stuff like tropius, Carnivine, Pachirisu.

Carnivine gives like Powerwhip, but like we already got Tangela who has that and it's more interesting

[stuck bane]

Oh my god I know he was talking about thorns the person, but what if it was in fact a 50% chance to get another unova Mon

[silent acorn]

So this is what I came 70 for the one offs

[quasi thistle]

why was bruxish-

[silent acorn]

Because life is great

[quasi thistle]

life is awful.

[silent acorn]

Oh they are gonna add luvdisc cuz of valentine soon

[quasi thistle]

luvdisc I can understand that makes sense

cuz like ya know. valentines day.

[inland jewel]

also another way to farm heart scales

[quasi thistle]

tru

[silent acorn]

Oh no you see life is great and now we go Bruxish

[stuck bane]

Shaymin is 2 slots because OoB form change and silvally is out because type:null pre-evo, other than that fine list ||where are audino, Emolga, Alomomola, Cryogonal, Druddigon, Bouffalant, heatmor, and Durant? :(||

[quasi thistle]

bruxish reminds me of my ex best friend. ugly af. Im the type of gal who only uses mons she finds cute or pretty or gender

[silent acorn]

Oh tru an yeah I missed a few

Actually I don't remember yeah Durant and heatmor were separate

Ya know it's funny people are confused with Bruxish yet not with Luvdisc, I swear they should reveal luvdisc tomorrow so everyone is satisfied

Alomola is the better love rep

OOOH a rendezvous how romantic... What are you 12?

Caring is sharing and loving. This is the adults love pokemon right here

[empty pendant]

man despite being based on two drastically different fish with drastically different habitats and lifestyles alomomola really is just out here being better luvdisc

[silent acorn]

When you are so good at your job you don't need to compete or help

I dont know why people keep saying it should have been the evo when the stats are drastically different I mean look at this

[empty pendant]

yeah luvdisc is bad at everything except being kinda fast and alomomola is an okay tank

[silent acorn]

One Is a damn squirt gun and the other a pool of water

[silent acorn]

With that kind of health I think it goes beyond just ok

[empty pendant]

not with that base 45 spdef

[silent acorn]

When you fuse a mon with an absurdly high stat it benefits the most from the stats of the other mon, look at what happens with Blissey

[empty pendant]

sure it'll make a pretty good tank when fused but on its own it's just ok

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah on its own it's just OK. Pretty meh. In a way it kinda is a water blissey, so it works good for the grass/water, water/Dragon and water/ground combos.

[empty pendant]

yeah, it would be pretty cool for that! plus, it's based off a really underrated real fish. sunfish are largely misunderstood but are extremely neat!! surprisingly fast and way smarter than they get credit for

[silent acorn]

Ah yes. But I also would imagine you can make horrifying fish with the real life fact of what happens to them

[empty pendant]

I love the weird pelagic pufferfish that decided to fly sideways

[silent acorn]

It's a real weird evolution choise for sure

[empty pendant]

I also love the fact that they hunt in the twilight zone and then come up and sunbathe like a lizard because it's cold down there. Peak weird animal right here.

[inland jewel]

Fuse Alom with a mon with decent spdef and you can utilize its high hp pool and Mirror coat, all on top of getting regenerator

in addition, its surprising physical stat can help pack a punch if fused with a high attack mon

[sonic sedge]

i am fuming

[finite thistle]

Yeah, Sunfish are cool, wish they leaned more into their unique attributes like a poison/Dark type for the biofilm it uses to protect it from Jellyfish. Make it super effective to Jellicent

They still look way too similar for my taste though

[stuck bane]

Ok tank? It’s like the perfect mirror to blissey: take blissey head, since it has more hp and a great 135 sp def, then combine it with Alomomola body for even more hp and a deceptively decent 80 defense (90 is the threshold for a stat to be good). So yeah, while blissey has horrible defense and Alomomola has bad special defense, they at least shore up eachother’s weaknesses a little bit, but the real tanky part is that rediculous hp stat…. While also having regenerator.

In fact I wonder if chansey Alomomola would be better simply on the grounds of acceptable defense/special defense combined with eviolite on top of that hp with regenerator

Not to mention the stupid natural movepools both get: softboiled, light screen, aqua ring, protect, wish, there’s some stuff you can do with it: imagine leftovers aqua ring protect and softboiled with a fourth move of your choice, and then if it takes too much damage, it just switches out to instantly heal a third

[hollow grove]

i guess we got bruxfish is in PIF i thought it was a joke that people wanted it

[stuck bane]

Bruxish cult was always there, just not many people noticed or cared

[mild sedge]

We Joked About Bruxish Too Much Guys, Now It’s Coming.

[empty pendant]

I did specify that I meant ok tank on its own, as in unfused

[stuck bane]

Oh, my b, didn’t see that

[thorny ferry]

why is togedemaru above turtonator

[white meadow]

toxapex:

if you want a bulky water type may as well use the better one of the two

[stuck bane]

I think that’s mostly an opinion or design based list: Emolga is near the bottom despite the fact it fills a role similar to heatran being a steel type with flash fire, flying type with motor drive

[thorny ferry]

oh, it's a list based on stats, abilities and that type of thing?

my bad, I thought it was fusion potential-wise

[stuck bane]

No I’m saying it’s not a list like that because Emolga is at the bottom, not to mention Emolga brings flying squirrel and gliding fusions so it has potential too

[stuck bane]

The biggest problem with toxapex is that the defense/special defense split between head and body means you have to pick one or the other, whereas Alomomola stacking rediculous hp on top of rediculous hp has only one purpose.

Toxapex is still rediculously good at what it does, but it kind of forces you to choose physical or special wall

[unique flame]

why the new fish is 469 if maloeta is 467

[sharp nebula]

bruxish is just so appealing they had to

[sterile spoke]

Minus the Ultra Beasts being in a tier other than the bottom one, it's a very good list. 🙂

[prime dust]

because melo was announce well before phish

[unique flame]

those are alll the possible options?

[hollow grove]

Spinda has to many forms to be added to the game

[stuck bane]

No, he’s missing some like audino and stuff

And we’re not sure about some stuff like heatmor/durant or Buzzwole/pheromosa being grouped together

[marble meadow]

oh yeah spinda patterns

[stuck bane]

I doubt they’ll use spindas actual patterns, just 1 spinda (like the base one shown in the dex) and then spriters can choose where to put the spots on customs

[marble meadow]

that could work as a workaround cuz all patterns are impossible there like thousand spinda patterns

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-malamar-anime-laugh-gif-9694741

[unique flame]

im a little lost they gave us a hint on a new mon to the game?

[stuck bane]

Wdym? The 468 one?

[unique flame]

oh yeah they ignored this number

[stuck bane]

We know it’s a one-slot, and not Torkoal, that’s really all we know

[unique flame]

this confirm that its a single form so no liligant for me

[stuck bane]

Yeah big F for Lilligant, it would’ve been so good

[unique flame]

we need a new pretty waifu in a dress, gardevoiur is overused

[marble meadow]

i cant think of any beside the one wich wasn,t mention yet sigyliph

[unique flame]

i love sigiliph

[stuck bane]

Lilligant: it WAS an overworld Mon, adds more grass types, it’s counterpart is already in the game, could bring the hilarious Pokédex entry “as soon as it finds a male partner,…” “it lives along lakes” (turtwig), “it can barely stand up” (ponyta), “it blows up at the slightest stimulation” (weezing), “their bodies are covered in wounds” (Deino), “it takes cover if it senses any hostility” (ralts), “they use all three heads to consume and destroy everything” (Hydreigon), good special attack and speed, only pure grass type that gets own tempo (for grass type head and body fusions), and it also learns petal dance unlike ludicolo

Lilligant has so much going for it, and Sigilyph has some too

Sigilyph: only Pokémon that naturally gets access to wonder skin, as well as the only flying type when considering HAs, also a good special attack and speed, only flying type with access to magic guard, and the only psychic type with access to tinted lens

[sharp nebula]

how do we know its not torkoal

[stuck bane]

Leaks, 1s

We knew it was 2-slots for a while, so

Wait did I put them in the wrong order, crap I did, read second image and then first

[marble meadow]

chatot has some potential but eh i dont care wich 1 stage only mon gets added

https://tenor.com/view/maractus-dancing-happy-gif-14508931

[unique flame]

sylvally would be so cool

[stuck bane]

There’s still some great ones, like heatran, victini, possibly minior, etc. Maractus is great too

[stuck bane]

Can’t be silvally, takes 2 slots because of type:null

[marble meadow]

hoopa 2 cuz unbound form im i right

[unique flame]

oh yeh i forgot about typenull

[stuck bane]

Yep, shaymin too

[unique flame]

i hope its not a legendary

im fine if its a ultra beast

[stuck bane]

It would seem that way, we know a Mon was vetoed, and if I were frog and already working on a meloetta event, I’d probably veto a legendary/UB since I don’t want to work on another event

[marble meadow]

sure kartana has potential for origami themed fusions

https://tenor.com/view/kartana-furfrou-pokemon-sun-moon-gif-19000346

i just realize furfrou is another problem cuz off hair style unless

[stuck bane]

Furfrou styles are like spinda: purely cosmetic, so it’d probably be base Furfrou with alts for the styles, and then spriters can use whatever style they want for customs

[unique flame]

do you have the link to the tier maker

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/zangoose-profoak-oak-yırtmak-x-xzafer-xx-gif-14454362

poor oak

[unique flame]

would be weird to have him without seviper

[stuck bane]

if zangoose were added seviper would too, they were put together on the poll

[sharp nebula]

you can use the one in the pins

[hollow grove]

i just got a idea how a double spinda fusion would look like basically a spinda with all the dots

[unique flame]

i would make loss for his double fusion

[hollow grove]

loss?

[unique flame]

spinda is really nice do draw i hope he wins

wait what was the criteria to bruvish win

[stuck bane]

the criteria? if you look at the bruxish reveal on the 24th, see the video, it was just added because mods thought it would be funny to add, thats it

[unique flame]

well them the mods are extremely based because he (for some reason) have decent stats and do very pretty heads

so i put my money on spinda if he is also being put because tehehe funny mon

[stuck bane]

the heads are very stand-outish with the pink, most fusions are heads, but ironically it's high attack and speed usually lend it to being a better body, depending on the fusion of course, a good chunk of mons have been added just because frog or staff wanted them. Spinda would be funny, but as 268 was a staff pick, it really could be anything: the last staff pick was scolipede, so maybe it could be another great one like that, maybe all the staff collectively decided to spite the community again and picked alomomola, who knows

[unique flame]

staff picks are always based

[white meadow]

Startiing a new run who wants to be my Rival ? XD

[unique flame]

how does this work

[sharp nebula]

s t e v e h a r v e y

[white meadow]

I just naem the Rival after that person lol

[unique flame]

name him pedro verdan tostes

talking about runs i want to do a run that i only catch mons without customs and make them

[white meadow]

Sounds great
I wanted to do that to when I start the new fusions of the year

[white meadow]

Tostes doesnt fit

[unique flame]

just pedro verdan them

[white meadow]

Oooh I can choose Goomy as a starter

[unique flame]

are you in randomizer?

[white meadow]

Yes

[unique flame]

no galar or paldea mons right? it stops on alola

[white meadow]

Yes

[white meadow]

What do you want to be fused
You can choose between Clefairy Piplup and Goomy

[unique flame]

clefary and gomy

[white meadow]

Okayy I will use Piplup than!

[unique flame]

do they maintain the teams in randomnizer?

[white meadow]

The starter does

He is Sprite less
You wanna make a fusion line

[unique flame]

i thought the clefable police has made all the sprites

[inland jewel]

Goomy is new, i dont think they have made sprites for all the new mons yet

[unique flame]

its a prety solid autogen at least

[prime dust]

they are rare, but do exist

[unique flame]

spinda have 360 base stats this is so sad

do any poke got its stats buffed in IF

[inland jewel]

no

maybe if they were buffed by gamefreak themselves up to gen 7, but Frogman doesn't change base stats

[unique flame]

ok fine at least he is normal type and have contrary

its kinda broken actualy if you fuse to abuse contrary

[silent acorn]

Huh that's right Spinda has contrary

[inland jewel]

it would be the first contrary mon to be added if it does get in

since Serperior and Malamar doesn't fit 1 slot.

and doesn't have the types of bug or rock holding it back

[unique flame]

what are the contrary bread and butter moves

[empty pendant]

leaf storm, superpower

[unique flame]

and v-create

[empty pendant]

hammer arm

[unique flame]

any more?

[empty pendant]

overheat/draco meteor could work

close combat lowers defenses and could be fun on the right fusion

[unique flame]

that it spinda+ golurk super power

i broke smogon meta before its anouncement

[tame flax]

Aren't there billions of spinda patterns tho? Wouldn't the whole head just be red?

[unique flame]

if gifs were allowed i would put the bad apple video

[empty pendant]

bad apple spinda would be hilarious

[unique flame]

https://twitter.com/komet_/status/1737344148544565748

[empty pendant]

I don't have sound on because I'm on desk duty at work and I can hear this image

[unique flame]

do we have all the psedo legendaries?

[white meadow]

i don't think kommo'o limr

[unique flame]

oh yeah komo is missing

[white meadow]

i would love for sigiliph or maractus to be in the game they don't get enough love

[unique flame]

i wish they make another game in another region, i dont like kanto very much (i know its unlikely)

[white meadow]

sinnoh infinite fusion

[unique flame]

i did not played the pos game but do they have all the maps from johto?

if they have they could make a johto route i guess

[white meadow]

i think so i haven't gone post game yet either

im doing a blind randomized soullink with my cousin so im still at lavender town

[earnest scroll]

I think they are missing some of the sea/island areas from the Johto games, but that not too much.

[white meadow]

alola infinite fusion would be cool

but first we need all the alolan pokemon

[finite thistle]

Yeah, Olivine and Cianwood are missing from the map

Alola map with non-linear progression would be cool. Just travel between islands whenever you want

[unique flame]

does they apear in main game gold silver?

[finite thistle]

Yeah, Chuck and Jasmine usually have gyms there. They're on vacation elsewhere

[white meadow]

just thought that minior fusions would be sick

minior onix just be all minior colors lined up

[unique flame]

minior would make great heads

[white meadow]

minior/mew

[unique flame]

like mons getting out of the cocons

and you can chose the color

[inland jewel]

they infact are missing several routes plus 2 cities from johto, sadly no more space for maps

if we were to do anothe region i think Unova would be the perfect fit because they themselves have 151 new pokemon (half of which aren't in the game and we can add all the mons that are not in the game

[stuck bane]

I would murder for infinite fusion but it were the unova map. But alas, the more likely thing is that kanto/johto map (now) have all the Pokémon added, and then after that (if frog feels like it) almost the same code of PIF, but it’s called PIF: Unova edition, or alola edition, or whatever, and that it uses all same aspects but it’s a new map

Still would be a ton of work though

[drowsy elm]

That'd be fun for like "rom hacks" of pif where people make their own little (or large) maps and such

[inland jewel]

Frogman has confirmed that he will not be making a new game, so the best we can hope for map wise is we cut all the excessive maps to make more space

[stuck bane]

Oof, thanks for confirmation, so probably not happening. But hey, who knows, breakthrough in Pokémon code happened, maybe one for map size will happen too, but I won’t get my hopes up

[scarlet atlas]

I just want the Incineroar line added. Idec about the other starters lol. Incineroar/Blaziken fusion would go hard.

[silent acorn]

Amalgalm is by another dev

[stuck bane]

Yeah but didn’t someone say that went radio silent or something? I haven’t been keeping up with it myself

[glass patio]

i love minior so much aaaaaaaaaaaa

i’m having depression over minior

we got freaking bruxish and not minior 😭

[glass patio]

i’ve been thinking of it since the form on august

[stuck bane]

Minior would be great, but would we prefer it to have the underscore system or separate dex number? I personally think I’d prefer both meteor and core form as their own things like aria and pirouette, so I personally am hoping not right now, but I’d be super stoked to see him in

[glass patio]

i honestly don’t care how it is added i’m just desperate for it

[unique flame]

Minior should work like aegislash

You do the sprite with or without the skin

[sullen elbow]

I think that would be the better options because the bodies would be confusing the other way

[glass patio]

or both

look if minior gets added i’m speedrunning posting those sprites

[unique flame]

If its both He automatically cant come now

[glass patio]

If they don’t add both forms with different dex numbers, then i can just make the core form an alt

[silk narwhal]

I can't believe it but

I made a bruxish fusion drawing

[glass patio]

[silk narwhal]

I'm sorry

[glass patio]

get that thing away from me

anyways it might not even be minior so i’m not having high expectations

[silk narwhal]

What might not be

[glass patio]

?

oh before that abomination we were talking about minior

[silk narwhal]

Are they even gonna add more pokemon

[glass patio]

meloetta is 466 and 467, bruxish is 469, 468 is missing

basically yes

[silk narwhal]

Huh

[stuck bane]

Yes, there’s 1 more 1 slot which we assume will be revealed around new years

[glass patio]

Wait, new year?

[stuck bane]

Yes, we’re almost done with 2023

[glass patio]

Oh i thought of something fitting for new year

[sullen elbow]

They should leave that slot empty . Like, add someone as 470 and leave it be

[stuck bane]

Probably not since it was a staff vote, but potentially

[glass patio]

blacephalon

because fireworks

https://tenor.com/view/blacephalon-pokemon-anime-explosion-mind-blown-gif-24092058

[stuck bane]

I wouldn’t bet on it, 468 was a staff vote, like scolipede

[glass patio]

wait really

[stuck bane]

Yes

[glass patio]

Oh

[stuck bane]

It might unintentionally be related to new years, like victini or minior, but more likely it’s a Mon super popular with a select few staff

[glass patio]

does the staff like meteors

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

tenor needs more minior gifs

ok i’m gonna stop it’s not happening

[unique flame]

Will be spinda and the mods Will post the bad Apple vídeo on anouncement

[glass patio]

nobody cares about minior
sadly

[unique flame]

I do

[white meadow]

if they add minior i will become the minior man.

[glass patio]

if minior gets added i request to become the leader of team minior ||wait no||

[unique flame]

That comet have 500 base stats for some reason

[glass patio]

why shouldn’t it?

[white meadow]

you have competition then

[sullen elbow]

Someone post the top 10 of the poll

[glass patio]

nah actually no i’m just a minior enthusiast

[white meadow]

i love single stage forgotton pokemon. sigilyph, maractus, minior, other pokemans