pif-hoenn-discussion

[sterile verge]

Gen 4 was peak starter design

[gray vine]

[late torrent]

Huh… I didn’t know decidueye had an alolan form

[sterile verge]

It dont

[rocky condor]

BLAZIKEN SUPREMACY GRAAAAH

[gray vine]

ew

[late torrent]

I know

[rocky condor]

Hush your mouth.

[late torrent]

Blaziken… The only thing i dislike about it is it’s shiny

[hollow quest]

since it has a hisuian form, i felt i needed to specify because i like alolan's design better than hisui's by a bit

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/fried-chicken-chicken-crispy-gif-26074196

[rocky condor]

Mmm chicken

[azure pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920721426632294521/1065191521973960765/BF3061CB-1A18-44BD-AB14-EF1B2B2D982.gif

i dont like combusken but BLAZIKEN IS PEAK

[hollow quest]

i love the kick chick

[azure pelican]

what generation has all starter designs, all evolutions at a 10/10 rating

[wanton cliff]

I think hen 3 as a whole is overrated

[late torrent]

Oops sorry bout that then. Yeah i agree with liking alolans better then hisuis

[sterile verge]

Gen 4

[wanton cliff]

None

[azure pelican]

id say gen 1 but venasaur is an 8/10

[late torrent]

Grotle, Monferno and Prinplup are all awkward to me

[azure pelican]

not rlly man the grotle and prinlip r weird

[rocky condor]

God this shiny's so bad. Why couldn't they do what pokemon reborn did with blaziken's shiny.

[hollow quest]

gen 4 is absolutely not 10/10 across the board, no gen has been

[rocky condor]

pokemon reborn shiny blaziken is peak.

[late torrent]

Now that is what it should’ve been

[rocky condor]

RIGHT?

[azure pelican]

Closest is gen 1

[late torrent]

We already have a red blaziken so why did the pokemon company make it darker? It just makes it less shiny to me and more dull

[sterile verge]

On the topic of shinier, we were robbed

[azure pelican]

ivory white gengar would been rad 😭

[azure pelican]

goddamn that white looks so peak

[rocky condor]

SWAPPED LEGENDARY SHINY SUPREMACY

SWAPPED LEGENDARY SHINY SUPREMACY

[late torrent]

Reshiram with zekroms colors is so cool

[azure pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-flying-hooh-shiny-pokemon-go-pokemon-gif-11861695

[azure pelican]

best shiny legendary

[silent acorn]

Boy if this had been the shiny I would have hunted this one for hours If I had to, I just love the black angel Reshiram

[azure pelican]

PEAK PEAK PEAK white looks so good on lunala

[rocky condor]

PEAK

[sterile verge]

Normally I'd agree, but blood moon Lunala is too good to replace

[late torrent]

It does however i still like it’s original

[rocky condor]

WHY DOESN'T IT ANIMATE 😭

[late torrent]

It’s like the new walking dead game

[wanton cliff]

At least kyurem has the coolest shinies

[azure pelican]

the og looks nice in arts, but is painful in the games

[silent acorn]

To be honest I know not everyone likes shiny solgaleo, but I like it. It's a blood eclipse

[sterile verge]

It's a damn Megazord is what it is

[rocky condor]

PEAK

[azure pelican]

they couldve chosen a more deeper red for lunala with a hint of violet, would been rad

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-megazord-zord-zords-tyrannosaurus-gif-15538261

[wanton cliff]

Zygarde shiny could have been so cool

[azure pelican]

honestly tho

[wanton cliff]

The white doesnt match with the teal

[azure pelican]

digoma deserved a better shiny

[silent acorn]

What is digoma?

[azure pelican]

dig o mah balls

[silent acorn]

Real funny

[wanton cliff]

Pink kyogre is better, but blue groudon is nice

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/dammmmmmm-son-he-need-some-milk-gif-23611493

[late torrent]

I like groudons

[azure pelican]

i know 😉

im mentally unstable i think you shouldve known from the asuka pfp

[rocky condor]

dig o mah balls.

[azure pelican]

deep…

[wanton cliff]

Also if every shiny legendary duo was just a swapped shiny it would probably get boring

[rocky condor]

asuka with an ak47 goes hard ngl

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pest-you-suck-gif-13132767

[azure pelican]

my terrorist wife

[rocky condor]

she's 14 🤨

[azure pelican]

im 15

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-fbi-skeptic-chicken-funny-gif-14153035

[rocky condor]

Ah, carry on then

[wanton cliff]

Shiny necrozma should be white, and ultra necrozma should be black though

[rocky condor]

oh THAT'D be sick. Someone get on that.

[silent acorn]

Young kids being horni is forbidden by the natality ban

[wanton cliff]

Purple darkrai is also a good choice

[late torrent]

Imagine a Legends Darkrai

[wanton cliff]

Mythicals typically have amazing shinies

[silent acorn]

this sure is a steal

[rocky condor]

PEAK

[azure pelican]

h0rny? My brother i wish to lead a prosperous life with whoever

[wanton cliff]

Except arceus

[rocky condor]

also shadow the hedgehog lookin ass cresselia

[sterile verge]

Swap arceus and giratina

[wanton cliff]

YES

[azure pelican]

HAHAHHA SONIC IVE STOLEN YOUR TESTICLES!

[silent acorn]

Same as horni

[azure pelican]

h0rny means to be down bad

[silent acorn]

Having a picture of a girl is down bad

[azure pelican]

im up good

[wanton cliff]

Even if you are a girl?

[azure pelican]

then is every father down bad for his daughter?

[rocky condor]

Monki being horni on main exposed

Is asked to leave infinite fusion discord

[azure pelican]

brainrot logic tbh

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-stanley-did-i-stutter-sarcasm-gif-3537210

[wanton cliff]

👁️👁️ slow down buddy

[azure pelican]

even i am not weird lmao

[robust geyser]

Can't believe around half of the people on earth have a girl as their profile pick 🤢

[silent acorn]

I know rite... What weirdos

[azure pelican]

professionals have standards but i aint no professional yet i do have a moral code

[wanton cliff]

O can't belive half of the world is east

[azure pelican]

whats wrong with that, unless its for catfishing or creepy stuff

[sterile verge]

Monrys:

[silent acorn]

Is cool

[robust geyser]

this was satire

[azure pelican]

my bad

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-horny-marvel-horny-horny-marvel-hulk-secret-gif-23865450

[late torrent]

Omg… i have a girl as my pfp

[silent acorn]

Every person who brings up that statement defintely sounds like they are making a satire

[azure pelican]

👍

[robust geyser]

imagine being a girl in real life

[wanton cliff]

So do i

[silent acorn]

You pass. Cuz noir is not a girl

[wanton cliff]

Still better than you

[azure pelican]

how can i be something that doesnt exist lmao /s

[late torrent]

Have i been deceived?

[silent acorn]

Yes

[robust geyser]

i know, amiright ? (you didn't precise you were sarcastic so i dont understand your message)

[late torrent]

Then… what is Noir?

[wanton cliff]

Black in french

[silent acorn]

I mean it is true, people who use female characters as avatars and stuff basically always bring up how it's not wrong if it's not for catfishing and stuff, even though nobody is even bringing up those

[silent acorn]

What velvet said

[azure pelican]

howd this convo get this heated or are we chill rn

[sterile verge]

I believe we are chill

[azure pelican]

👍

[late torrent]

Average chat experience on discord

[robust geyser]

Ok, i guess i need to explain the joke even more :
Half of the human population (or around that) is female.
On website such as facebook, people use their real life picture for their profile
Hence, half of the population use a girl profile picture.
CQFD

[silent acorn]

Huh I didn't even know it was a joke, guess my own humor didn't register it

Does make sense tho

[white meadow]

gun pfp supremacy

[sterile verge]

So uh

[azure pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-ash-ketchum-misty-gyarados-gif-gif-26948632

[sterile verge]

Meloetta amiright?

[azure pelican]

peak shiny tbh

[late torrent]

Lomeitta

[silent acorn]

Meloetta just vibing to her heaters

[wanton cliff]

I prefer lopunny

[late torrent]

I prefer gardevoir

[azure pelican]

what 😭

[wanton cliff]

Lopunny unironically my favourite pokemon

[sterile verge]

In battle right?
in battle right?

[azure pelican]

oh are we talking about frickable pokemon

[white meadow]

what

[azure pelican]

rayquaza tbh

[silent acorn]

"Hey can we get Miku at home?" "But we got Miku At home" MIKU AT HOME

[late torrent]

Depends… if we are then i’d have to bring up klinklang

[wanton cliff]

The curse of being a genuine lopunny fan

[sterile verge]

Neva knew meloetta had a banger shiny

[azure pelican]

rayquaza is just perfect

[wanton cliff]

I just like bunnies

[silent acorn]

People are just obsessed with Lola buns

[late torrent]

I understand ur pain as a genuine gardevoir fan.

[sterile verge]

Same for its other form

[wanton cliff]

So many of my favourite pokemon are like that

[silent acorn]

Me when I like Vespiquen and everyone says is just another Beedrill... Ok...

[azure pelican]

i wanna talk to that everyone

[late torrent]

Vespiquen is it’s own pokemon

[white meadow]

yeah beedrill is way cooler

[azure pelican]

and shove new corneas up their eye sockets csuse they clearly are legally blind

[late torrent]

I personally like Vespiquen more

[azure pelican]

beedrill is better yeah, but vespi design is better

[wanton cliff]

I'm also a fan of like tsareena, hatterene, gardevoir,

[azure pelican]

what dyou think guys do you think pokemon take human appearances so that it becomes easier to fool and hunt them

[wanton cliff]

I think its just convergent evolution

Pokemon fans when they see anything that looks remotely feminine:

[white meadow]

or maybe because, yk the "human" shaped body is just convenient for most sentient lifeforms

[silent acorn]

I love people

[wanton cliff]

Why milotic people

[azure pelican]

not necessarily feminine i mean

[wanton cliff]

Its a pretty fish, and that's all

[silent acorn]

Milotic has eyes that look nice... Thats enough for people... I seen people stick googly eyes into fruit and call that their friend

[white meadow]

well as people say, every pokemon has it's own "fans"

[azure pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/onepiece-zoro-gif-20413728

[silent acorn]

Perfect

[late torrent]

Hatterene is pretty nice

[inland jewel]

its true, im a fan of relicanth

[silent acorn]

She is, what's funny about hatterene is that she has been considerably less put through the gardevoir process for one simple reason ||she has curly hair||

[white meadow]

what kind of fan

[sterile spoke]

?tag rule2

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

2. No NSFW. I feel like this shouldn't really need to be said, since this is a server dedicated to Pokémon, but here we are. This means no pornography or gore or any of the like. No NSFW names/avatars, no NSFW conversations, no suggestive emotes, no sexualizing Pokémon or other people, and absolutely no mentions of anything horny whatsoever, even as a joke. This also means no edgy jokes that could appear to be a mask for something serious, such as self harm or suicide jokes. The NSFW rule also applies to sprites, all sprites that have breasts/gore or anything otherwise NSFW will not be allowed in the Gallery. (Small amount of cartoon blood is fine, ask a Mod/Sprite Manager in DMs if unsure)

[azure pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/electric-fan-wind-turn-hot-fan-gif-4860088

[sterile spoke]

Excellent choice of GIF, though. 😉

Both the actual fan one and the Zoro getting lost one. 😄

[azure pelican]

my bad

[silent acorn]

Hello Blaqy

[white meadow]

anyway to change topic into something acceptable

[silent acorn]

Why clawitzer is not friendly

[azure pelican]

pikachu deserved a better shiny

[white meadow]

ok idk what to say and slowmode ruined the pacing

[azure pelican]

relatable

[white meadow]

is slowmode even needed now breh

[silent acorn]

I Wonder what head fusions with Cresselia would look like

[late torrent]

Do you want me to ruin hatterene for you guys?

[azure pelican]

do it

[white meadow]

yeah we already know it's a midget piloting a hair mecha

[azure pelican]

phock you

[silent acorn]

That's soft

[late torrent]

Hehehehe… i can go harder

[wanton cliff]

Pick her up, and pat her on the head

😳

[white meadow]

men in black alien looking mf

[azure pelican]

i would dash towards the nearest therapist if i saw that irl

id feel more than traumatized

[wanton cliff]

I would do the same if I saw you

[white meadow]

just get a metal pipe, fairies are weak to steel

[azure pelican]

ill take that as a compliment ❤️

[silent acorn]

I still think she cute

[wanton cliff]

Shes very huggable

[silent acorn]

Yes. I don't know, I like that she is small yet has long hair, makes her like a mini rapunzel

[azure pelican]

yeah that look good and pattable

[sterile spoke]

Hatterene is weird and I don't like it. 😅

[azure pelican]

the skinned version tho

[wanton cliff]

That's bald not skinned

[silent acorn]

Yep I hate the bald version though, I don't know I just think hair is Aesthethic more than the pearly bald head

I mean... Like pick, bald cat or cat with hair

[wanton cliff]

I pick bnnuy

[azure pelican]

me fr

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-rabbit-cute-gif-15676652

[white meadow]

diggersby!

[azure pelican]

I honestly think diggersby is overhated

[wanton cliff]

No

[azure pelican]

i mean the hate is justified but it looks so chill

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-chan-happiness-bunny-gif-10120191

[white meadow]

to me it's just one of the 1k pokemon

[azure pelican]

it looks lik it doesnt gaf

[wanton cliff]

Why are cartoon bunnies either ugly, or, like really...

[silent acorn]

Diggersby is classic gamefreak making a fine line ugly for no reason

[azure pelican]

^

[white meadow]

really what

[silent acorn]

EXPLAIN WHY IT HAD TO BE BECOME CHUNKY

[wanton cliff]

Made to look attractive

[azure pelican]

the pre-evolution looked cute

[late torrent]

Bunnelby was so cute 😿

[white meadow]

i think you are forgetting the obligatory 3rd category which is "cute" but ig

[silent acorn]

Like it makes sense for the Galar squirrel, but like the small bunnelby was very good and then boom. Ugly as heck

[azure pelican]

fr

[wanton cliff]

No, there are a shockingly low amount of cute cartoon bunnies

[white meadow]

it's not that low breh

[silent acorn]

Let me tell you if it was a lean bunny ready to punch that would have been 10x better

[wanton cliff]

Azurill is the only other good rabbit mon

[silent acorn]

Let me say lopunny does bunny better than Diggersby does

[sterile spoke]

Bunnelby has such a good design, and then Diggersby ruins it. 😢

[azure pelican]

diggersby the skinwalker pokemon

[late torrent]

Fr

[silent acorn]

Like alt Diggersby 4 here is way better

[azure pelican]

ikr

i think diggersby was big chungus reference from pokemon

[white meadow]

what animal does not have a pokemon based on it

[silent acorn]

Diggersby as I said, it's gamefreak messing with a perfectly good line and making it ugly for no reason

[white meadow]

they should really make a scutigera pokemon fr

[silent acorn]

A hare

[azure pelican]

giraffes?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/girafarig-gif-25181331

[sterile verge]

Bacteria

[azure pelican]

i mean an actual long necked pkmn

[white meadow]

farigiraf?

[wanton cliff]

Bichirs

[azure pelican]

Girafarig is just s horse with an identity crisis

[sterile verge]

Farigiraf

[late torrent]

The new raikou is

[white meadow]

bobbit worm!

[late torrent]

A panther

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/farigiraf-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-giraffe-girafarig-gif-26879243

[azure pelican]

thats based off a dinosaur tho

[late torrent]

It’s literally so cute for no reason

[late torrent]

It’s a long necked pokemon so

[wanton cliff]

We should get a sperm whale pokemon

[silent acorn]

Aren't ... Wailmer and Wailord supposed to be just whales in general?

[late torrent]

I had to search this up cause I didn’t know what one looked like

[wanton cliff]

Well we can have specific whales too

[sterile verge]

Sponge

[azure pelican]

WE DUN HAVE A POKEMON BASED OFF A

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm.... Actually true we don't have a sponge pokemon... Why don't we have one?

[sterile verge]

Like just sponge and bacteria is actually the only ones I can think of

[azure pelican]

RED PANDA

[wanton cliff]

Bacteria arent animals

[silent acorn]

Moose pokemon

[sterile verge]

Spinda

[azure pelican]

we have one

[wanton cliff]

Hagfish pokemon

[sullen elbow]

stuful

[sterile verge]

We do?

[azure pelican]

shit pokemon when

[wanton cliff]

Greenland shark pokemon

[silent acorn]

Which is? If you say Stantler that doesn't count

[sullen elbow]

ting lu?

[silent acorn]

Isn't that more like an Ox?

Oh right a freaking frog pokemon that isn't water for once

[sterile verge]

I was going to jokingly say "Animal Cell" but then I realised, solosis

[sullen elbow]

toxicroak, belibolt

[silent acorn]

we need more!

A corn pokemon... That just turns into popcorn

[azure pelican]

wyrdeer?

[sterile verge]

Triceratops is an animal that dont have a pokemon counterpart

[azure pelican]

we dont have a cow pokemon do we.

[sterile verge]

Miltank

[silent acorn]

That's still a deer, a moose is obscenely big

[sullen elbow]

bastiodon

[sterile verge]

Not a triceratops

[sullen elbow]

really?

[silent acorn]

What me and their mother want. A dragonfruit

[wanton cliff]

Spinosaurus pokemon when

[silent acorn]

To be honest not getting more fossils is dumb, we could have lots of awesome beasts from the ice age

[azure pelican]

True

[wanton cliff]

Mosasaur pokemon

[silent acorn]

Moar sharks

[wanton cliff]

Komodo dragon pokemon

[late torrent]

Gen 2, Gen 7 and Gen 9 all could’ve had fossils

[azure pelican]

Velvetsaur pokemon and Monrysaur pokemon

[silent acorn]

Regional rapier hummingbird pokemon

[wanton cliff]

Not gen 7, Hawaii doesnt have fossils

[azure pelican]

monkisaur pokemon

spookosaur pokemon

[wanton cliff]

They only have megalodon teeth really

[late torrent]

Spookosaur?

[wanton cliff]

And everyone has megalodon teeth

[sullen elbow]

appletun is a dragon and part fruit

[late torrent]

I wonder what that’d look like

[sterile verge]

I'm sorry we could have had a Megalodon pokemon?

[silent acorn]

I cry when I realize the terror bird, sabertooth pokemon aren't real yet

[sterile verge]

Sabertooth is raikou

[silent acorn]

The leviathan Dino would be an insane fossil mon

[late torrent]

A certain electric legendary would like to speak to you

[silent acorn]

That's supposed to be a dog and it ain't a fossil

[late torrent]

The beasts share both canine and feline features

[silent acorn]

Its old, but medieval Japan old, not ice age old

[sterile verge]

I want a pokemon that goes Dodo --> Terror birb --> Gigantoraptor

[sullen elbow]

we can have mons based on prehistoric animals without them being fossils

[wanton cliff]

I made a terror bird mon

[azure pelican]

they were canines reincsrnated as felines after all

[late torrent]

Let’s see

[wanton cliff]

Ots on the artwork chat

[silent acorn]

... Is not official sobs

Please gamefreak make a fossil Quetzalcoatlus or a legend... Please...

[late torrent]

I can’t find it

Nvm found it

[sterile verge]

Legends game that takes place in the age of Ooga Booga cavemen 🤔

[silent acorn]

Finally the mosquito pokemon becomes real

[sullen elbow]

buzzwole

[silent acorn]

I just realized something... Sandshrew is supposed to be like an armadillo but doesn't stick to its bit in its evo... We need another one

[silent acorn]

Hmmmmmm... Hmmmmmmmm.... Nah that's an alien.

[sterile verge]

Literally every animal but dinos and sponges are pokemon omg

[late torrent]

Wonder how a sponge pokemon would look like

[sullen elbow]

nah, its a shew

[white meadow]

it's sand ofc

[silent acorn]

Oh that's pretty neat, pretty SpongeBob like

[late torrent]

Another one

Blurry 😠

[wanton cliff]

Pretty

[white meadow]

why girl shaped tho

[wanton cliff]

Aneneome pokemon?

[spare frost]

They're Pangolins.

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wynaut-happy-jump-gif-17071241

[spare frost]

https://tenor.com/view/pangolin-animals-funny-malayanpangolin-gif-17911863

https://tenor.com/view/pangolin-walking-pangolin-pangolino-maéva-merceron-shy-pangolin-gif-22564401

[inland jewel]

I thought the Koomo-o line were Pangolins

[late torrent]

Wanna see an emo gastly like thing i made?

[mystic rivet]

I'm not seeing it, but Sandslash is definitely closer

[silent acorn]

[spare frost]

I don't see it personally, beyond the fact that they have segmented armour.
Not a knock against you personally, Bulbapedia says it too for some reason.

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm quite uhhhh

Looks like James Mareanie

[late torrent]

I should redesign this tbh

I made this like a year ago

[wanton cliff]

I think we should get another komodo dragon mon, a poison type oen

[sullen elbow]

who was the guy that posted their salandit evo?

[silent acorn]

I want a goth that isn't a marshmallow

[wanton cliff]

I was thing of that as well lol

[late torrent]

My reddit icon is different

It’s unrelated but it looks off

[wanton cliff]

My reddit icon Is based on a much older avatar character rof mine

I should update it

[silent acorn]

You guys are fine, it's just people who use Evangelion are... Well they live on a different reality

[cinder oasis]

They're just armored dragons

Based of Komodo dragons

[tired rapids]

Is that true that there will be xurkitree?

[late torrent]

Maybe in the future but as of right now xurkitree isn’t being added

[heady trellis]

terrifying but awesome

[spare frost]

They're not terrifying, they're so nice!
Most if not all anteaters are honestly, but Pangolins especially. They're particularly at risk of trafficking and poaching, it's awful.

[heady trellis]

they look terrifying

[tired rapids]

I might misunderstood , but i was on 10th place here , that's why i wondered.

[late torrent]

Oh no that was the number of pokemon that had a chance to get in. Meloetta won this one so maybe next time xurkitree will get in.

[tired rapids]

Eh sad xurkitree one of my favourite pokemons

Anyways thanks

[late torrent]

Np

[spare frost]

I think maybe the GIFs are just not very good demonstrations if you don't already know. Here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvgoOOOBhFw

[white meadow]

The Clown UB is cooler tho

He comes up to your head, Screams "HEEHEE" and explodes

[tired rapids]

I respect your opinion, but xurkitree still in my top 10

[silent acorn]

Hello friendo... ||heehee||

I like the Guzz. Besto UB

[finite thistle]

Kartana is my personal favorite, but Guzzlord has some really fun elements for fusion

[glossy osprey]

fr

[sterile verge]

Favorite starter. Go

[glossy osprey]

uhh fuecoco line

[sterile verge]

Solid choice

[stuck bane]

snivy line

[weak trellis]

raboot for specific mon

mudkip for full line

[sterile verge]

Torterra

[stuck bane]

torterra is good

if we're talking specific mon serperior 100% (for me personally)

[white meadow]

Good evening to you all I took my time and made a Pack with (nearly) all Lycanroc and Rockruff sprites until now!
I dont take any responsibility if a Number is wrong I looked over it and didnt find any Problems but it can always be that I missed something !

[arctic glacier]

24 days early

[white meadow]

Actually more since there are some December fusions in it

[silent acorn]

Oh nice. Gonna have to download this one and place it

[hollow quest]

primarina

[tribal python]

A pokemon I would like to see would be the chimecho line

[agile olive]

line?

[tribal python]

Chingling and chimecho

The evo line

[agile olive]

huh I completely forgot chimecho wasn't a single

[sand mica]

Aromatisse x Sunflora?

[empty pendant]

sceptile line

[tribal python]

Sceptile or maybe Sprigatitto line (Also a small bit of Skeledurge, ONLY skeledurge)

[pale flame]

Swampert

[storm pivot]

i feel like meltan and melmetal could have some sick fusions, also hi, ive never been in this area of the discord before, nice place yall got here.

[wide bear]

Greninja line

[tame flax]

man gen 9 starters go hard

i like sprigs, but i love how much of troll skeledirges design is

its a multi layered troll, depending on how deep you go, the zodiac theorists are trolled that the pattern is broken, but on a deeper specifically spanish layer he fits the snake

and quaquaval is just a fun design all around with his buzzsaw tail feathers

[stone marsh]

As much as I know people like the older gen starters I feel like they are getting better at their starter design

[stone cliff]

Typhlosion is, and always will be, my favorite boi

[feral bear]

Bruxish line

[hushed mantle]

Does bruxish line include baby bruxish and bruxish evo?

[tired rapids]

Can someone help, i can't get regice, registeel , regirock even if i made everything right, i'm tried to ask #gameplay-help and #tech-support , but haven't got any useful info

[keen warren]

Its because you havent caught Regitube yet

[tired rapids]

._.

Regitube is everywhere

[frozen finch]

When will the new mons be added to fusioncalc…

[neat hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848538050233237594/1182142565064130570/RiaHell.mp4

[stone marsh]

I thought this was for new pokemon games at first, not new mons

Completely forgot about them ngl

[keen warren]

Regitube ||being real|| would be dope tho

Water type Regi

Regigigas took one look at some floaties and was like “this, instead of water, now.”

[clever atlas]

Regitube's overrated
The thing doesn't even have the right number of.....eyes? Face dots?

[wanton cliff]

I think regireef would be a cooler name for a water regi

[prime dust]

doesn't apply since Regitube is a meme now

[wanton cliff]

Regotube should be poison type bc plastic

[prime dust]

it'd be water and poison

[wanton cliff]

Well, the regis are all typed after what they are made out of

It's not made out of water is it?

Ground type regi should be glass, because of how glass is made

[silent acorn]

Magma Regi When

Regimagma

[weak trellis]

plastic type clearly

I forget if that was a thing in Too Many Types but it was in another hack I played

actually tho flying bc its filled with air

[fresh salmon]

ngl Regitube should be added to IF

Since it counts as fakemon it can be made under gen 7's limitations without having to use gen 8 or 9's engine

Either that or have Regitube be a fusion of Vaporeon and Registeel (idk)

[prime dust]

it isn't actually a pokemon, so no

but a reference sprite would be doable

[tawdry wind]

Underrated pokémon to add but Cubchoo and Beartic

I have a really good idea for a Beartic/Aggron fusion

[sand mica]

Any ideas for Aromatisse fusions?

[stuck bane]

Hmmm, yeah Beartic could be good, only ice type to get swift swim, also only Mon with slush rush, great attack and good hp, polar bear fusions and ice beard fusions, yeah Beartic has good potential

[frank oxide]

average frostyke lover ||(invalid)|| opinion:

[frank oxide]

nope

[weak trellis]

the one I played just off-branded the regular 18 (though with very different type interactions) and normal became plastic

[frank oxide]

i didn't put lover in purial for a reason, you're the only frostyke lover here

[clever atlas]

I mean the Word "unvalid" doesn't exist

[frank oxide]

oh

fixed,now you can't say that ahaha

[weak trellis]

lats make it revalid

[sterile verge]

I wanna sprite so bad but it's about to be finals week where I live so I have to lurk like a depressed stunfisk until its over 🥲

[uneven forum]

What are y'all still doing here

[arctic glacier]

New general where new Pokémon are talked about sometimes

Anyway, hail Bruxish

[stuck bane]

I for one will say that if another vote occurs, I will be giving bruxish a 3, not necessarily because I think it's one of the best options, but because I specifically want to spite that one guy who spends all his free time hating on everyone else's favorites that aren't his own, and I at least know he hates bruxish

[prime dust]

that narrows it down to like...half this server

[hollow quest]

yeah idk what that would accomplish when it's not just one guy who hates or dislikes it, a good chunk does not like it

[white meadow]

half seems like a lowball

[hollow quest]

also not like your single 3 vote would do much

[white meadow]

well maybe not hate but more "not even considered to begin with" lol

[stuck bane]

yeah I know a 3 wouldn't normally do much, but from alot of people, and mods pushing for bruxish like they did this time? you never know

I would put a 3 down just for the chance, even though I know it probably wouldn't get in

[hollow quest]

mods were pushin for it? must not have been a strong push

[stuck bane]

yes they were like half the mods had "bruxish gang" in their title or status or something

[white meadow]

also wym by "a lot" of people? this chat was and will always be a loud minority

[hollow quest]

only mod takes i saw were in support of salazzle and blaq's dislike of necrozma

also i think half of those could've been ironic honestly

[stuck bane]

yes I do understand that, but irony does not translate well over text, and that unironically probably created some bruxish fans

[hollow quest]

nowhere near enough to win though so i think it's more valuable to just ignore those efforts

bruxish i see goin two routes:

1.) some hidden or joke addition later on
2.) like in the last dozen mons to be added

[stuck bane]

all true, and I'm not even sure if bruxish is a good pick, maybe not a bad one but neutral at least, but I've made up my mind of bruxish getting a 3 if there's another vote and nothing will change my mind because what are the odds of it actually getting in right? if bruxish doesn't stand a chance either way you shouldn't care so much about where I do or don't put my 3's

[hollow quest]

it's not even that i especially hate it myself, though i don't like it really either. i would rather just have 200 other mons before it at least

[agile olive]

I doubt bruxish will be added. we just got a bunch of mons that are cool heads and shit bodies (...regis)

[stuck bane]

big same, I imagine the list of last mons added will probably be things like aromatisse where we've all genuinely struggled to come up with more than 2 reasons why they should be added, and as much as I loathe to say it, alot of those will probably be unova mons

[prime dust]

we will do our damnedest to get our favorite mushroom boi in

[stuck bane]

Which one the Gen 5 or Gen 7 one?

[prime dust]

the one that is sus

though I'm also down for the nightmare fuel one as well

[stuck bane]

Yes that is a good one we were talking about earlier, it 100%’s all the poison types from unova (after scolipede and garbodor) but also it was a team rocket Mon from the anime, ignoring any mechanical benefits to having it, it’s a pretty good choice

[cinder oasis]

Does anyone actually like amoonguss

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-hop-on-bubungus-bubungus-morellul-gif-22292795

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-among-us-gif-24132003

[prime dust]

the evo..that one is fine

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/shiinotic-pokemon-gif-25440691

I like both (and the amoongus line)

[obsidian wedge]

Guys

I think we should include Staraptor in the Game!

[weak trellis]

we already have staraptor in the game it's called pidgeot. smacked*

[chilly forge]

I think the gen 5 starters and scraggy/scrafty would be awesome adds to the game.

[dreamy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

I want

[stiff ember]

i coulda sworn that salazzle was going to be added

[hollow quest]

it was a possible vote option but it didn't even make top 10 somehow

[dreamy cove]

That would have been a dangerous addition

[hollow quest]

mods were actually in support of it thanks to corrosion

[stiff ember]

Precisely why i want it added

[elfin laurel]

my favorite bug type!

[dreamy cove]

same ngl

bugs are one of my favorite types and ribombee at the top

[elfin laurel]

Random question (that was prob answered already but I'm too lazy to search it) Meloetta was announced, but is it catchable? If yes, how and where?

[stuck bane]

Not yet, confirmed and will be added at a later date, that’s all we know, presumably some event like the other legends in the game

[elfin laurel]

Thanks!

[sterile spoke]

You'll have to do karaoke, and if you score above a certain amount, you earn Meloetta's respect and it agrees to join you. 🙂

[clever atlas]

I assume you just made that up

[brisk vessel]

Can it be Baka Mitai it would be so awesome it would be so cool

It would be so dame dalightful

[clever atlas]

BADADA PA PAPAPAPADADA

[tame flax]

No, it'll be 24 hour cinderella

https://tenor.com/view/dance-yakuza-majima-no-gif-15883446

[cobalt forum]

hear me out Lokix

[brisk vessel]

Gen 8+ mon detected

Pitbull go

[prime dust]

nothing past gen 7 will ever be added

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[cobalt forum]

no my riderkicking bug boy

[late torrent]

There’s still a way to get the sprite in game but not the actual Pokemon.

[stuck bane]

Ayo? Obtaining a mythical without any arbitrary values like Pokémon seen or caught? And the main 3 areas assumed to find meloetta are either celadon cafe, SS Anne band, or goldenrod radio tower? I also love the idea of meloetta being obtainable before entei

[pale flame]

Who even catches Entei?

I always just kill it

[brisk vessel]

Okay but
Easy Sacred Fire goes hard

SFire is easily one of the best fire type moves in the game 🔥🔥🔥

[stuck bane]

I think entei was ok in my playthrough because it randomized into something decent, but depending on events of the game (it’s been a while since I’ve done a full playthrough) I think the path to goldenrod is opened up after beating team rocket? So it’s potentially before Sabrina since it’s totally true

[white meadow]

i legit got entei from the black market and completely forgot about the one that you have to catch 🔥

[sharp nebula]

i never got why sacred fire was physical

like i know that the pokemon that learn it are physical attackers but the way its described doesnt suggest physical

[white meadow]

I still wonder why tho, if the community are the ones making fusions

[prime dust]

it is a Pokemon Essentials database thing

the tldr is:

Infinite Fusion uses V18 of Pokemon Essentials, to get anything from Gen 8 or 9, the game would need to update to a higher Version [ex: 21]

Frogman tried early in the development to do just that, it failed
idea got scrapped

basically if you want anything gen 8 or 9, you either need to find a way to keep the current code of IF, and update the Pokemon Essentials V18 to V21 or find a way to keep the current code of IF but downgrade V21 to V18 [either way, everything would still need to work as is]

[inland jewel]

the community may be making the art, but we aren't coding the game, only one person Codes the game and thats Frogman (The Solo Dev)

[weak trellis]

and also nothing's stopping you from making alts for gen8+ mons even if they arent the same stats-wise

[inland jewel]

nor them having the same movesets and abilities

[prime dust]

sin you've said yourself in suggestions that frogman wanting the game to be gen 7 accurate is stopping them from having movesets/abilities

[sterile spoke]

More in terms of the mechanical stuff, though. Quiver Dance already exists, so it's not entirely unreasonable to suggest. 🙂

If that's what this is about. 😛

Whereas asking for it to get Victory Dance would require making something from scratch. 😮

[inland jewel]

its more like, we don't have the data for Gen 8 moves and Abilities are not in the version of Essentials that Frogman uses

So we can't add Heavy Slam, Eterna Beam, Fisheous Rend to anyone that would otherwise learn it

We also can't add things like Sharpness or Ball Fetch or Gorilla Tactics

[sterile spoke]

Exactly what I was saying, yes. 😄

Whereas it is possible to allocate existing moves to other Pokémon, and really quite easily, to be honest. 🙂

[inland jewel]

its due to not having that data that Frogman wants the movesets to be the closests to a full learnset they can get

[sterile spoke]

Wrong channel. 😦

#gameplay-help, please.

[inland jewel]

Ah i see the confusion

[unique flame]

the election ended why this channel still exist?

[inland jewel]

Updating pokemon from gens 1-7 to the gen 8 moveset isn't to much of a problem, but adding a gen 8 mon with teh absence of the gen 8 moves is a problem

Since researching, Rillaboom without gen 8 oves has no grass stab outside of Razer leaf, till level 46, when they get wood hammer

[trail hull]

We got News mind even tho we got told that we wouldn’t have any more who knows what the future as in store for us

[stuck bane]

We talk about new mons that have been added, as well as potential new ones even if not confirmed

At the very least this channel is helpful for new people looking for pins on new Pokémon added and such

[brisk solstice]

I meann I wouldn't say there isn't a poll, you just gotta look really hard lol

[inland jewel]

to be fair, Meloetta still hasn't been added to the game yet, therefore we can still use this chat to talk about her

[brisk solstice]

👀

[sterile verge]

Can't wait for minior to get in guys

It'll be any day now

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[stuck bane]

Minior is good, brings shields down as an ability, actually wow beyond shields down and good defenses it doesn’t bring anything mechanically. It would make good meteor/star/space fusions, but I don’t know why I thought it had more stats wise. It might otherwise bring good attack/sp attack/speed depending on code because apparently hacking S/M for a minior without shields down causes it to start in core form or something? It sounds weird

[white meadow]

the ability could work like aegislash's, where it just swaps offenses and defenses

[sullen elbow]

and gains speed

[stuck bane]

yeah but the difference with minior is that it's BST increases and it gets a massive boost to speed, idk exactly how it'll work but minior would definitely be a weird addition, not necessarily a bad one

[glossy osprey]

it would prob be like aegislash where stance change doesn't change sprite at all

wait it was mentioned above my eyes and my brain

https://tenor.com/view/cymbals-monkey-brain-the-simpsons-homer-empty-head-gif-13321118496062969084

[sterile verge]

They'd probably make it so Minior-Meteor and Minior-Core are separate forms that use different dex numbers

And then if shields up does its thing then it'd use that forms stats for the fusion

[inland jewel]

It'd work the same way it would with Wishiwashi and Archeops

where health = certain %, Add or lose stats

[stuck bane]

oh right those work the same way too right? i mean archeops not entirely since it would function similarly to aegislash, it doesn't actually change BSTs, just halve the attack and special attack, wishiwashi and minior might use the form change mechanics as their BSTs and actual stats change, maybe wishiwashi would be like U necrozma and maybe minior like meloetta or U necrozma, just some thought experiments

[inland jewel]

Considering that they have Meloetta as two seperate pokemons probably not.

It'll most likely be a Ucrozma scenario,

as for Archeops, its literally halving his offensive stats, because even if you switch out you still have half your stats, so...

[solid light]

Someone know how i can to evolve machoke to machamp?

[mystic rivet]

Lv40 or the link cord item

[solid light]

Thanks a lot

[strong shadow]

I just know it’s bubblegum pink

[broken bridge]

I just hope nekrozma and kyurem get to be allowed to fuse

When the dlc drops and we get to see our good ol mad scientist friend Colress

[brisk solstice]

You already can, there's just no customs at the moment

[clever vigil]

But you can get rid of defeatist by simply fusing it

[stuck bane]

Still would exist in the game, yeah nobody wants to pick defeatist but if it’s fused with like regigigas or something some would rather pick their poison, not to mention randomized mode and finding them in the wild, the code for it still has to work

[marble meadow]

gotta fuse some of the new mons and may be doing other runs and if the next update comes out I go to my main file wich is a

[silent acorn]

Why have archeops to get rid of defeatist? Isn't it pointless?

I mean atleast Carracosta's ability nerfs effective attacks letting you make more tanks

[stuck bane]

Yeah, I personally won’t be attempting my next nuzlocke run until meloetta is released (or February if she’s added before February, I wanna use all those sprites), I just can’t overstate how perfect meloetta was as an addition, like the only things that might push back my planned nuzlocke are if Serperior or heatran are announced, besides those I don’t know if there are many things that could compare to how happy meloetta made me, and Serperior/heatran are basically riding off of nostalgia alone.

[silent acorn]

What I hate about archeops is that people go on about it being a sweeper having high stats and all that but here is my problem with it. It has a pretty crap signature ability unless you use certain tactics with it, but that become very niche, defeatist is just very bad as an ability, atleast Slaking's nerf doesn't remove the fact is Uber powerful, even if you have to sit and take enemy attacks every turn.

If its ability made it even more fragile or just made it slow that would have been better

[clever vigil]

Because without defeatist Archeops is like, really good

[stuck bane]

Well, at the very least it’s comparable to gigas/slaking, trades 20 points of attack for 10 points of speed, and it also loses about 30 points of defense compared to both. Archeops would probably serve as a body usually for that high attack and speed, but the special attack means it could have a niche as a rock type head. Archeops would probably still be a 3 in my eyes, but I don’t think it’s going to make a bigger splash more so than regigigas and slaking

[weak trellis]

archeops is still lower than the pseudo-legendaries if it didn't have defeatist. in fact in gen 9 it probably wouldn't even have it since it feels kinda on-par with the rest of gen 9's stat lines, just be a bit frailer lol

it's still stupid strong in-game but that's mostly because acrobatics is a broken move in-game and I recall it gets it pretty early in BW

[frigid shoal]

acrobatics is still an amazing move not in game

[weak trellis]

there's a bit more consequences to not having an item in comp (though a bit less in places where poltergeist is common) but agreed otherwise

[frigid shoal]

terrain seeds

[sullen elbow]

remember flying gem acrobatics?

[lime aurora]

Can we add 100% zygarde

The fusions would be 🔥

[white meadow]

no they would be either dragon or ground, where are you getting fire from?

[gray vine]

from a lighter

[zealous flint]

Just realized that avalugg is a really bad pick now

Since we have regice already

[hushed mantle]

Would be fire otherwise

[stone marsh]

Fire dragon is nice 🙂

[sullen elbow]

turtonator W

[stone marsh]

It's got 3 weaknesses which is pretty nice for legendary stats

(It is budget Reshiram tho)

[obsidian wedge]

Guys?

I have a request

I would like to include Kommo-o in the game

[brisk solstice]

That would be cool

[clever vigil]

Kommo-o is my favorite Psuedo so that would be nice

[agile olive]

blaq said it was vetoed because we have too many dragon types already

[stuck bane]

frankly, no offense to kommo-o, but I like the dragon types we got, and adding another on top of that would've been much even if it brings some... interesting aspects. unironically though I think kommo-o is likely to get in later: not only is it the last pseudo, which similarly to archeops/carracosta are the last fossils needed and will probably bring more attention to it, but it also sounds like it DID make the top 20, but it was an executive mod decision to say "no, the entire thing isn't going to be only dragons", not to mention it has a bunch of good mechanical aspects like clanging scales, another fighting type, etc.

also SERVER ICON MELOETTA LETS GO

[agile olive]

yeah I love him so hoping he gets added later

[obsidian nebula]

i have some drawings of some new pokemon i made

is this where i would put them?

[agile olive]

per the channel description this is for discussing the new additions to the game. idk why it's still open

[glossy osprey]

because we love it here

[stuck bane]

because melo not in yet and also potential new pokemon (if melo is coming with a new batch)

also just discussing picks overall, judging pros and cons and all that jazz

[agile olive]

I wouldn't expect any new additions for a while

[stuck bane]

oh I hope not either, I'm hoping melo is added february or later just to make time for all these sprites, but at least for a while, let's keep melotic the server icon for a while

[agile olive]

omg I just realised its name is melotic

[obsidian nebula]

alright cool

ill work on some blaziken or rayquaza fusions (favorite pokemon)

[stuck bane]

yep, its perfect, meloetta sweep! (despite lycanroc being in the contest the top 5 were all meloetta )

it's so glorious, after all the verbal abuse, a complete sweep, it really happened

[stone marsh]

You would post them in the artwork section of channels. You do need to go though the #spriting-guidelines too

[brisk vessel]

I wonder when the Meloetta update will drop

I wanna use my Herta kuru kuru sprite already

[stuck bane]

Boy I sure hope sunflora is added, easily tops everything else that might be added before, including almighty bruxish

[plush inlet]

Victini deserves to be in IF, even if later rather than sooner.

[ember plover]

Missingno is the best possible choice pls add

[brisk solstice]

There's still a suggestion poll going on, blaq just made it hard to find lol

[agile olive]

I don't think the spriter suggestion poll actually has any weight

[brisk solstice]

Would they ask if it didn't?

[finite thistle]

Victini would be incredible. I'd love to build entire teams of nothing, but Victini fusions to do very dumb stuff

[inland jewel]

if thats the case then boo, kommo-o would have been the only pokemon on my list of 20 and then i'd be happy with at least one mon, now im just bitter that none of my wanted mons are in

would their victory star ability stack?

[finite thistle]

If it works the same way it does in the base games yeah

[inland jewel]

i think thats what the blitz week mons were for

[finite thistle]

There aren't many Pokemon with off field abilities like this, but thankfully Victini is a gen 5 Pokemon, so it probably wouldn't be an issue since the base code is gen 5

[inland jewel]

im pretty sure the base code is sun moon

[finite thistle]

Nah, there's a bunch of little relics that make it pretty clear that the gen 7 stuff was added ontop

Burn does 1/8th, sleep turns reset after you switch out, Prankster works on Dark types

[inland jewel]

dang, if we had went back one, we could have had infinite weather instead

[vague fog]

Can't wait to be able to use meloetta in game

[frank oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-go-porygon-z-gif-15023322

[frosty bloom]

Damn, we ended up getting no Ultra Beasts

[hushed mantle]

well, if you count necrozma there's one (1)

[deep grotto]

You know we don’t >:V

[brittle smelt]

hello

[tribal knot]

anyone knows the stats of tyrantrum/kyogre fusion?

calculator doesn't have it

[clever atlas]

?tag daena

[opal trail]

https://if.daena.me/

[clever atlas]

This one has, the stats at least

[obsidian wedge]

I have a Pokemon request

Maractus is a pretty forgettable Pokémon from Gen 5, let's give him some care for It and include him in the game

[sharp nebula]

maractus is better than cacturne, but we have cacturne and they are the same

[obsidian wedge]

Then, how about Zygarde

[sharp nebula]

👍

[obsidian wedge]

What about the rest? Do you all agree?

[neat hemlock]

Cacturn shoulda split evolve into the male and female cacti

[south umbra]

pls add bronzong i want heat proof hidden ability

[merry shale]

I like the gen 6 mythicals so why not give diancie hoopa or volcanion a chance for fusions?

[silent acorn]

That actually would have been a neat feature. Like they just left the female cacti and cacnea as obtainable. Problem was the only new mons thing they went for

[inland jewel]

I mean, with the amount of space left we def can have all of the remaining Pokémon up to gen 7,

It’s just a matter of time,

It took 3-4 months to add 40 Pokémon

So expecting to add the rest within the next month is sorta….

And frogman himself confirmed that adding legends takes a lot more time than adding a regular mon, and out of the 40 only 4 were legends

[silent acorn]

I'd argue is more about priority and what should enter next or sooner

[stuck bane]

Not to mention, even if it were possible to just add everything now, frog might want to take his time anyways for the spriter’s sake because he doesn’t want to overload them

[silent acorn]

The way they did things this time around has been the. Most optimal because it gave many spriters reasons to sprite these mons, so we wouldn't just play with Japeal fusions

[stuck bane]

Yeah but a lot of the spriters were also mentioning burnout and exhaustion, especially after the bonus blitz of about 1 sprite per day, if I were frog I’d give them month or so of not making them feel like “I have to make sprites for this Mon”, and if I did announce another batch, slowly announce mons so spriters have time to readjust

[inland jewel]

I mean before hand the Pokémon were released in batches every 6 months

Even then that was only 20 min at a time

[prime dust]

20 every 6 months I think would be good

if the biggest issues are legends/mythicals, then it might be smart to do the bigger batches of legends first and work backwards

[silent acorn]

Or just make everyone do a death gauntlet to decide the next mythical

[prime dust]

eh no

[inland jewel]

i alwats hate how small it gets afterwards

All pokemon in the game (Currently)

[stuck bane]

Why is milotic twice?

Jk, errors happen on these charts all the time, at least you didn’t say Bronzong was a gen 3 Mon

[whole oracle]

Hm… well, the Pokémon I want the most to get into infinite fusions has to be tinkerton

[stuck bane]

Nothing past Gen 7

[whole oracle]

Ah

In that case, gen 7 starters

I want Primarina and decidueye

[stuck bane]

This should really be pinned

[tulip palm]

God i want tinkaton so bad

[inland jewel]

we can make it canon if we put in the work

[whole oracle]

Same, I just want dhelmise + tinkerton for steel worker gigaton hammer lmao

[tulip palm]

How does one put in the work

[inland jewel]

just have to convert the Pokemon essentials language backwards from V21 to V18 (The two times they did file overhauls)

And then turn that into Frogman's IF code (Which is so heavily modified, changing it to V19 broke the game entirely)

[tulip palm]

Ah yes

[whole oracle]

Fascinating, reverse engineering code

[tulip palm]

Coding it my self

[inland jewel]

im pretty sure, that if someone somehow does manage it,Frogman would add the person's mon of choice (like they did with the person who showed proof of concept fusion system overhaul) (Sableye cough)

since i had time, Here is the list of Pokemon not in the gme by Gen

[prime dust]

oof gen 6 is rough

[inland jewel]

rip i made a mistake

pancham actually isn't in the game

[prime dust]

lol

gods, even if we limited it to 20 mons per batch, 2 times a year...8 years minimum to add the rest

[inland jewel]

im sure its not just going to be 20

more like 30 if we choose 20 and then Frogman and Mods choose the remaining 10

which means time to be a mod

[prime dust]

lol

that is what I came up with for how I think if it was limited to just 20 per run

batch 17 i said f it and threw the remainders in to save time

[fallen loom]

why do you hate Furfrou? Imagine the body fusions

also it and Spinda are Home locked (Spinda due to a BDSP bug)

[fleet bramble]

Volbeat and Illumise being so much earlier than Clawitzer or Crustle is such a travesty ngl

[fallen loom]

also I don't like how IF deliberately nerfed the Lycanroc line by excluding the best form

they removed a cool Ability for no reason

I don't care if Midday and Dusk forms are basically the same

[stuck bane]

(Well there was a reason, A. It looked too similar and B. Own tempo rockruff was an event pokemon originally or something) but yeah not getting every form is disappointing but understandable, speaking of which, are they just gonna ignore mega diancie if it gets added?

[fallen loom]

Own Tempo Rockruff wasn't an event

[stuck bane]

See pins because frog thinks so

[fallen loom]

and again, getting rid of D Lycanroc's ability also means we have to wait for Binacle to get added because it's our only other choice

[fallen loom]

I did read them and I still think it's BS

[white meadow]

Yeah but they added the originals and Dusk looks too similiar to Middayy

[fallen loom]

so? they removed the lines one niche other than being another Espeon and Umbreon

[stuck bane]

Frankly I’d take options between midday and midnight instead of only dusk

[fallen loom]

no-one cares about the Lycanroc line without Dusk Lycanroc

[white meadow]

pretty sure it's the opposite

like many people forget that it exists

[stuck bane]

Well, maybe you’re right, Lycanroc fans need all the copium they can get after that shnasty meloetta sweep right?

[fallen loom]

Own Tempo Rockruff can be got this way:
Event (USUM)
Breeding the event Rockruff
Raid Battle (SwSh)
Area One Psychic Tera Type (SV)

[stuck bane]

So yes it was originally introduced as an event I am correct

[fallen loom]

but it's not the ONLY way to get it

also Keen Eye could have been replaced

Frog shouldn't act like Pokémon don't get different properties from the base games

[stuck bane]

His game his reasoning, we should just be glad he’s taking input from us at all

[fallen loom]

I doubt it because Ash had one

[tame flax]

Not to mention tough claws

[white meadow]

ok? i don't think everyone remembers every pokemon ash has

[fallen loom]

Tough Claws is its whole point and people requested it, yet neither form in the game actually has it! Why nerf a whole line and remove one of the best Abilities in the game because "too similar"?!

[stuck bane]

As a unova fan, I assure you nobody remembers all of ash’s mons

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure his lycanroc was a big deal during alola

[fallen loom]

now we're at the whims of Binacle ever getting in, which is unlikely

[stuck bane]

Lycanroc was heavily sought after for many reasons: midday accelerock, midnight hair, speedy rock type, tough claws was never the ONLY reason, else it wouldn’t have won spriter vote

[tame flax]

Or megas getting added

[tame flax]

Dusk literally has all of those

[fallen loom]

it's one of the top 3 reasons

[tame flax]

He has the hair and he learns accelerock and he has tough claws

[stuck bane]

Seems like megas are a no go because frog doesn’t like them, but the underscore system does conveniently line up with allowing megas

[fallen loom]

does Frog hate Tough Claws too?

[stuck bane]

Idk

But if he does, his game, he does what he wants, he doesn’t even need explanations

[fallen loom]

"His game so he can make the Lycanroc line as bad as he wants to"

Midday should have been replaced over Dusk

[tame flax]

Or replace midnight

Midnight is just a bad mon

[fallen loom]

Midnight is at least a biped, so it looks different enough

[tame flax]

But it sucks

[stuck bane]

You’re not entitled to getting whatever you want considering frog does this at no cost in his free time

[tame flax]

They couldn't even give him a unique signature move, they gave him counter

[fallen loom]

honestly, they should have given Midnight Tough Claws

[stuck bane]

But hey, binacle at least exists, all the more reason to vote for it in the future

[tame flax]

After slurpuff

[fallen loom]

Binacle is never winning any votes

[tame flax]

I voted for him

[fallen loom]

it's too ugly and would make for weird fusions

[stuck bane]

It would also give barnacle fusions, and if machamp proved anything multi-arm fusions can be fun

[fallen loom]

honestly, are Lycanroc fusions even viable?

[tame flax]

With midday body, I'd say so

That boi is fast as fuck

115 attack and 112 speed

[stuck bane]

Midday is speedy and high attack, good sweeper, midnight is bulkier and good for nuzlockes, for fusions idk never looked in too deep but for my personal nuzlockes it’s alright

[fallen loom]

it would have been better with Tough Claws

[tame flax]

You can say that for literally every physical attacker

[fallen loom]

too bad we'll never get that ability in IF

[tame flax]

Who knows

[stuck bane]

The dream seems to be the gen 7 nat dex being in the game, and on grounds of being a gen 6 Mon in a region with so few total monsters, the more and more Gen 6 monsters are added, the more and more outcry there will be to “complete all of kalos” so it’s not impossible

With this update alone kalos shot up to 28% of the region represented, just barely shy of unova also representing about 28% of their region

Where you gettin Gen 8 from

[fallen loom]

oh oops, wrong list lol

[white meadow]

fire

[tame flax]

Where are you getting gen 1 from?

[stuck bane]

All Gen 1 and 2 not in the game this is so sad can we finally add sunflora

[fallen loom]

Gen 3: 69/135 (51.1%)
Gen 4: 63/107 (58.9%)
Gen 5: 45/156 (28.8%)
Gen 6: 20/72 (27.8%)
Gen 7: 12/88 (13.6%)

[white meadow]

im so glad miltank isn't in the game, imagine all the horrid fusions

[tame flax]

What I was saying was the first list implied not all Kanto mons were in

[stuck bane]

Same it’s irony

[fallen loom]

the first list was Pokémon in SV

[tame flax]

Imagine we could have gotten a dancing armor dragon instead of a slimy blob

[stuck bane]

Wait kommo-o’s thing is dancing?

[tame flax]

Yes

As it dances, the scales clang together

[stuck bane]

It says it celebrates by clanging scales together, not necessarily dances, all dex entries imply it an armored warrior seeking battle against strong opponents

[fallen loom]

Dance Type:
Mr. Mime line
Quaquaval line
Kommo-o line
Oricorio
Ludicolo
Bellossom
Politoed

[tame flax]

A dance is a celebration

[stuck bane]

Was the dancing from the anime or something?

[tame flax]

Never watched it, so idk what they did

[stuck bane]

Yeah
Dancing equals celebration, but that doesn’t mean all celebration is dancing

[tame flax]

Did you think he clanged his scales by flailing around like a child with extra long sleeves?

[stuck bane]

In fact no dancing isn’t even celebration necessarily like theatre and stuff after a character dies

[sullen elbow]

https://youtu.be/oZevIAuNvoE?feature=shared

[tame flax]

Never seen a dance after a character died

[stuck bane]

Where’s that one Danny Devito “I get it” meme, that’s literally an example of dancing not necessarily being celebration

[silent acorn]

@white meadow hmm there is more Gen 4 than expected. To be honest all I would want out of Gen 6 by now would be Starters, malamar, Slurpuff, Aromatisse, Diancie, Hoopa, Legends, Clawitzer Dragalge, Furfrou (Can't never have too many dogs), gourgeist, Skiddo (ally with sawsbuck for quadruped grass supremacy) . And I think that would be it.

[white meadow]

ig

we totally need all of gen 7 minus crabominable

[silent acorn]

Oh yes Gen 7 is very extremely solid

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah that list isn’t 100% accurate since we now have 13 alola mons minimum

[silent acorn]

True dat

[tame flax]

There is a vid of him dancing for his z move and your only take away is to go, see he's not celebrating, when that wasn't the question, but whether or not he dances?

[stuck bane]

Well obviously z-moves are different almost all of them are dancing that’s the gimmick

[silent acorn]

Alright I did the math yeah there is 13 now

Lycanroc midnight and midday do count as different entities.

[stuck bane]

Yep same math I did I knew something was off

[silent acorn]

By the way according to my calculations for the mons I think are good from Gen 6 including starters they are 27. And without starters they are 18. Forgot to count pangoro

[sullen elbow]

Ah yes light that burns the sky my favourite dance. Say like two other z moves that are mostly dancing

[stuck bane]

The trainer dances in almost all of them, and it’s a bond between Pokémon and trainer to do a z-move so yes most of them are involved with dancing

[silent acorn]

Honestly narrowing down Gen 6 is ultra easy

Cutscene dancing, to be fair it's a neat concept

[sullen elbow]

But the Pokémon doesn't dance in most of them

[tame flax]

Oh? How many?

[stuck bane]

I know water for sure is the one wave dance, been a while since I played SM, and like most sane people I never played USUM

Which, even then, the dance was tacked on as an after thought, wasn’t part of Sun and moon, if Kommo-o was all about dancing, it would’ve had it from the start

[silent acorn]

I think Kommo-o was supposed to be inspired on the Hawaiian Warcry dance

[stuck bane]

The point is if the quality is so niche that it almost never comes up, especially when z-moves aren’t in the game and might never be, then how are spriters supposed to “obviously know kommo-o is a dancing Pokémon”? I’d have a better time arguing Pikachu is a water flying type because it can learn surf and fly in niche cases

[silent acorn]

Lol good point

[stuck bane]

You’re probably right, considering all the dex entries about kommo-o in battle and only fighting strong opponents, but never mentions dancing so dancing isn’t one of the main qualities

[silent acorn]

Kommo-o is based on the Haka practice but like at that point you might as well say Primeape is a dancer because it slams it's feet into the ground really funny

[silent acorn]

Yeah I know battle dances are a thing but Kommo-o is not the best mon to represent that

Hell I think even Lilligant Unovan looks more like a dancer and all it does is just sit there

The problem with dancing is thay you need to put the focus on pose rather than design

[stuck bane]

I think dex entries say petilil at least loves to dance, but part of Lilligant design is looking like a dancer you’re right

[silent acorn]

She has quiver dance is generally a happy go lucky mon.

[stuck bane]

Oh wait I might be thinking of dancing Lilligant from the anime

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-charjabug-lilligant-gif-9433738

https://tenor.com/view/hisuian-lilligant-pokemon-gif-13978849623923142488

She kinda always had that going on, is just that in hisui it seems they decided to express it even more

Grass mons do have the most graceful looks, so it's logical they would resemble soft dancers.

Fire type is the other type that can resemble more hard intense dances like Oricorio Red

[stuck bane]

Nope no dex entries but she does look like a dancer and dances in the anime so that’s already leagues above kommo-o in terms of dancing, but kommo-o does have other positive qualities

[silent acorn]

Quaquaval being water type and a carnival dancer might be a bit of a mismatch because dancing is about energy not about relaxation.

[silent acorn]

Such as? Well I mean. It has the wrestler stance

[stuck bane]

Mostly mechanical, finishes all pseudos, adds another fighting type, good abilities that give immunities, unique moves like clanging whatever, etc.

You might be able to argue armor fusions too?

Though I would take Lilligant over it in a heartbeat

[silent acorn]

I approv. Well to be honest I am just done with the pseudos, i wouldnt care much for kommo-o being In though

[tame flax]

Well there's also the fact that one of his 2 signature moves can be mimicked with the dancer ability

[sterile verge]

Too many dragons man. Only one I would care for is Zygarde

[tame flax]

Clangorous soul, a watered down clangorous soulblaze

[silent acorn]

Guzza

Gonna fight for my black Kirby dragon

[glacial vigil]

I agree, too many dragons

I only wanted Altaria in but we got so many

[silent acorn]

Nevah enough

[glacial vigil]

shellos line better slugs

[stuck bane]

Also wait isn’t clangorus soul Gen 8 only? I didn’t see it in the Gen 7 move list when I was looking up kommo-o

[silent acorn]

The better slugs yeah. Honestly we got magma slug, water slug would have been nice

Been funny seeing what they look fused together

[tame flax]

It got added gen 8 to replace soulblaze since z moves were cut

[wanton coral]

Tough claws would have been cool

[stuck bane]

Ah, so see here:

[tame flax]

Bruh, that isn't the question

The question is does he dance

You're being cringe

[stuck bane]

The answer is in a single niche case, he does dance, his other “signature move” is not affected by dancer and clangrous soul isn’t in this game, and nothing about kommo-o says it is a dancer except a single z-move so spriters wont use it for dancing fusions

[stuck bane]

Not a dancer, stop burying your head in the sand and trying to die on this hill

If we want to talk cringe, let’s talk about “actually me being a nuisance and annoying everyone was a giga brain social experiment” like what kind of excuse is that?

[tame flax]

It was pretty fun

But I'm not the one ignoring what GF has made

[stuck bane]

Neither am I, if you want a gen 8+ IF go make it yourself

[inland jewel]

im also not making this game, so i don't exactly get a say in it either

[tame flax]

Wait, is that why you refuse to recognize that he's a dancer?

[inland jewel]

remember, all suggestions we make Frogman can just go, "nah, not doing that"

[tame flax]

Youre being cringe just to call me wrong? Lmao

[stuck bane]

That’s you! I was willing to hear out kommo-o being a dancer until it was the worst reasoning ever

[white meadow]

based

[stuck bane]

“Well now kommo-o is a dancer because it got another signature move affected by dancer” yeah, sure, but it wasn’t before so being a dancer isn’t one of kommo-o’s main qualities and shouldn’t be a point in favor of adding it, there are plenty of other reasons, dancer isn’t one of them

[tame flax]

We are living in the now, before doesn't matter

And the now says dancer

[stuck bane]

You’re living in sword and shield, which most people argue isn’t canon (see above if you need to jog your memory), we’re living in Gen 7, just the way it is

[tame flax]

We also used to think the earth was flat, should we use that logic too?

[bitter comet]

🍿

[stuck bane]

That’s not comparable, earth has always been round, a better comparison is “the force has rules for the first 6 movies, but now it can also heal people”, it’s a retcon

[silent acorn]

Actually supposedly the earth is now an elypsical deformed potato

[stuck bane]

No it’s a velociraptor new government documents leaked (real)

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-oh-my-god-it's-like-a-fucking-conspiracy-uberhaxornova-cowchop-gif-5281656691526821598

[tame flax]

Not if it's based on a gen 7 move

[silent acorn]

You do realize no matter what, this game has pixel graphics, they can't incorporate the dances anyway

[stuck bane]

So… a retcon, it used to be a z-move thing, and now it’s totally a regular move and always has been

[white meadow]

they should make every sprite animated just like gen 5, totally won't me a massive mess

[silent acorn]

A move it's a move regardless of the animation used

[silent acorn]

Totally won't caused massive crashes.

[inland jewel]

I mean we used to have animated sprites

back in V4, but Frogman cut those out for stability since it kept crashing people's game

[silent acorn]

Emphasis on used

[inland jewel]

i mean, we're already having to wait 10-20 seconds to enter battle

[white meadow]

i just use preloaded

[silent acorn]

I thought I was the only one going crazy with the 10 to 20 seconds

[inland jewel]

imagine waiting that long and then the game crashed, every time you encountered a fusion that moved a little to the left

[stuck bane]

Like, adding clangrous soul feels like it’d open up the flood gates of “add all the gen 8 moves”, and it’d be weird for only kommo-o to get a gen 8 move/z-move compared to all other pseudos

[silent acorn]

I just used the download for the update I don't know how you change it to preloaded

I heard preloading is ultra glitchtastic

[white meadow]

i would rather just stay with gen 7 mechanics because aegislash isn't nerfed 👍

[inland jewel]

for preload, its a checkbox in the launcher

[tame flax]

If you ignore the dancing in soulblaze

And no, no other mon dances in z moves, you not remembering right and not wanting to check isn't evidence

[sullen elbow]

It's not gen 7 mechanics because there is no megas or z-moves

[stuck bane]

In fact, wait, you arguing present matters more is a point in my favor, it used to dance and now doesn’t dance anymore, dancing was retconned

[silent acorn]

I am Just happy my monkey doesn't have to feel sad about blaziken having more stuff than it.

[stuck bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rDgfVbiWI

yes, very good dancing kommo-o, I can totally tell dancing is your whole thing

it looks just like a regular powerup like bulk up or swords dance more than anything

[silent acorn]

That's because that's what happens with animations, atleast dragon dance, sword dance and quiver dance look like dancing buffing moves and have the word dancing

[stuck bane]

TRUE

[sullen elbow]

dragon dance doesnt look like a dance in the animation

[tame flax]

So it acts like all the other dances then?

[silent acorn]

I think it's better to ignore the visual gimmicks, we don't lose much without them.

Clangorous soul looks like a sound move more like.

[stuck bane]

bulk up isnt a dance

belly drum looks more like a dance

[silent acorn]

I mean the name kinda gives away what the mon is doing.

Like say I name a move, Stomping soul or Scale Dance for Kommo-o you can tell what's happening

[stuck bane]

"ah yes, for you see, you're finished rattata! for I have begun clanging my soul! this is what it looks like!"

[tame flax]

The game says its a dance
It's based on a move that had actual dancing in the animation
It's a mons signature move
That makes the mon a dancer
Kommo-o is a dancing armor Lizard
It's not that big a deal Lil bro

[silent acorn]

Its not the mons whole deal is it, kommo stamps move it's scales and still does other fighting moves hence, is just a fighter

[tame flax]

You could have literally just said, huh, didn't know that, that's neat, but instead you went cringe-o mode

[silent acorn]

A dancer mon moves like a dancer, Kommo just stands there unmoving just occasionally breathing

[tame flax]

So do a lot of mons nowadays

[silent acorn]

Hell Bellossom which is from Gen 2 sways to atleast show it dances

[stuck bane]

where?
not anymore like you said
not in gen 7, and only when allied dancer is on the field
how does it look like a dancer?
where are you getting dancer?

idk why you're dying on this hill, the namecalling is evident you're losing

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-10730821

[stuck bane]

"pikachu looks like its surfing and flying so it must be a flying water type when it uses specific moves"

[robust geyser]

So when are they revealing more mons ? 🙃

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-kommo-o-kommoo-kommo-o-gif-8121977202858861076

[silent acorn]

Next year probably around July who knows

[tame flax]

Is the anime a reliable Canon to go by?

[silent acorn]

Yes because that was the one chance it had to shows it's moves in full animated glory

[stuck bane]

if it dances for at least half it's runtime in the anime, lilligant dances a bit in the anime but also just looks like a dancer with the arms legs and pose in its design so its a dancer

[silent acorn]

Kommo just looks like a scaly lizard. That it. Not more than that

[tame flax]

I'd rather stick to the games that gamefreak is more directly involved in

[stuck bane]

then why are you here?

[silent acorn]

Actually yeah why stick to them and discuss this?

[tame flax]

In terms of whether or not kommo o is a dancer, I assumed that was implied

[silent acorn]

The only implied thing is the Haka which isn't really dancing

Also one more thing. Oricorio moves on the same gen

[tame flax]

Then why is the move that replaces it mimicked by dancer?

Soulblaze couldn't be mimicked because it's a z move which can't be copied

[stuck bane]

but if you only care about gamefreak run pokemon games, why are you here?

[tame flax]

The implication really went over your head, I was saying when it comes to facts I'd rather stick to the games where gf has more influence than it does over the anime

Since that is where the monsters come from after all, no GF, no IF

Further, every other mon who has a dance as a sig is also a dancer

[bitter comet]

🍿

[silent acorn]

🍿

[silent acorn]

I dont courage I think he just wants to dance and is too afraid to admit it

[tame flax]

I wish I could dance, it'd be fun

[stuck bane]

Possible, let’s see what he comes up with now and it scores!

[tame flax]

I end up falling all over myself

Why would someone be afraid to admit they like to dance?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/partyhard-famous-fabulous-dancing-dancing-guy-gif-19731429

Because this is their best move

[tame flax]

So what if it is? If it's fun to them and not endangering anyone nearby, who cares?

[silent acorn]

Apparently not their sense of dignity

[tame flax]

Why should that keep someone from having fun, again, assuming no harm is done?

I dont think you're making the point you wanted to make

[sand mica]

What about dancing Grumpig?

[storm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-charlize-theron-fall-to-my-knees-sad-tired-gif-5257029

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpig-pig-dancing-pokemon-game-gif-27399404

[storm pivot]

i need my boi stonejourner tho

[tame flax]

Oh yeah, if that message is going to be used as to whether or not something exists, it's not because he doesn't want gen 8 plus but that he can't do it due to the engine

Which I imagine is why he has it crossed out, but that's just my interpretation

Iirc, he might have said if someone can figure out how to make it work, he'd add any line of their choice into the game, but don't quote me on that, I could be mistaken

[bitter comet]

Hopefully one day Golisopod and/or Malamar will join IF

[tame flax]

I'm surprised golisopod didn't get in

Golisopod without emergency exit would be ballin

[weak trellis]

ah yes stonjourner the pokemon with like 10 special defense

... and WONDER ROOM (but only in gen 8 tho)

(tbh as much as gen 9 warmed me up to stonejourner I'm still sad that it no longer gets wonder room since that was really fun tech lol)

[tame flax]

Probably lol

[plucky wave]

Random question. Is Emboar going to be added? Tepig was always my favorite starter.

[stuck bane]

No guarantee, but see pinned messages, it’s likely starters might arrive later due to popular demand

[prime dust]

then get to coding

[storm pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-whatever-shrug-gif-27681536

uh um....ok

[prime dust]

you want your gen 8/9 mon, you either figure out the code for IF, or make a reference sprite