pif-hoenn-discussion

[white meadow]

meh it kinda gives the vibe of a being of time tho

[clever vigil]

ITS IN THEIR POKEDEX ENTRIES

[fallen loom]

again, Minior and Deoxys COME from space

[sudden flower]

What??? Idk what you mean by palkia not looking like something from space

[fallen loom]

so? Doesn't mean it's true. Did you know that if you look at Shedinja's back your soul gets sucked in!

[clever vigil]

Bruh

[white meadow]

the player character does look pretty souless sometimes

[tawdry cave]

I think it’s because it, dialga, and arceus give more god vibes than the vibes of their specific domains personally.

Giratina is the only one whose aesthetic kind of fits its whole thing with the distortion world imo

[fallen loom]

the joke is that Arceus made it on Earth, so therefore is not an alien

[clever vigil]

🤦‍♂️

[sudden flower]

Giratina also getting the only good origin form

[fallen loom]

when it comes to space Pokémon, the aesthetics should matter over some dex entry

[tawdry cave]

Real

[sudden flower]

Platinum fans stay winning

[white meadow]

well it was designed when they actually tried soo

(im gonna start a war so imma vanish)

[sudden flower]

Don’t remind me of better times. Straight up tho I kinda understand what they were going for with Palkia and dialga but man they just look goofy ;-;

[fallen loom]

Origin Palkia = a horse with no arms, so therefore cannot spacial rend
Origin Dialga = another horse, but with a rock in its throat, so therefore cannot roar time

Yeah, the desigs are bad and don't even look like they can use their sig moves

[unkempt stone]

Don't dunk on Vanilluxe like that

[tawdry cave]

I agree mostly, but I think they cooked with some of the hisuian forms. The origin forms and a lot of the SwSh/SV Pokémon haven’t hit nearly as consistently. Especially in the case of SV dex. Obv not all bad but hit rate felt lower

[unkempt stone]

Vanilluxe is great

[tidal perch]

Then request a Palkia/Palkia that is just a galaxy and a Dialga/Dialga that is just an hourglass

[sudden flower]

It’s so odd because Giratinas origin form looks like a natural ‘evolution’ for its design. From an eldritch marketable plushie into straight sleep paralysis demon that’s design looks like it could easily swim through the distortion world

[fallen loom]

and Giratina/Giratina is a black hole

[sudden flower]

Arceus/arceus is just what? A book I guess xD

[cyan hare]

MELOETTA LETS GOOOO

[tidal perch]

The poke Bible or smt dunno

[unkempt stone]

I'm interested to see what they do with Meloetta given it has two forms, unless only one of the forms is getting added

[fallen loom]

no, it's a thousand arms (mentioned in its dex entry how it made stuff with a thousand arms)

[tawdry cave]

I think to this point, the spriters have been pushing a lot of starry aesthetics in the palkia fusions from what I’ve seen, but having more spacey/alien Pokémon wouldn’t hurt.

Minior would make those more accessible during a non-randomized run for example so I think that’s go a long way. This is just to say spriters have been filling the gap fs

[fallen loom]

Groudon/Groudon is just Hoenn
Kyogre/Kyogre is just the water surrounding Hoenn

[sudden flower]

I think minior would be awesome as well to spice up the mt moon clefairy thing. Instead of a moon stone they leave a minior encounter

[fallen loom]

I get why people did that for Palkia, it's just that Solrock, Lunatone and Minior are spacey without having to know lore about them

[sudden flower]

(Also because I like having new Pokémon encounters being early, still malding that Toxapex was a postgame mon)

[fallen loom]

Palkia is only a space dragon when you know the lore

[sudden flower]

And Arceus is a goat shoved through a fence

[fallen loom]

ha

[tawdry cave]

Yeah agree. Palkia fusions also endgame locked which is unfortunate

To be fair, it is a fancy fence

[fallen loom]

also having a Minior egg at Mt. Moon would mean we get spacey fusions early game

[obsidian hare]

Im just a bit salty about palkia tbh

[tawdry cave]

That would be so hype

[weak trellis]

the Palk

[grave jolt]

THIS
This is a contributing factor to my distaste towards UBs, and other legendaries

[sudden flower]

Me speedrunning minimum karma because egg

[weak trellis]

at least NG+ be ballin unless you can't take mareannie/toxapex into NG+

[tawdry cave]

Peak egg hours

[obsidian hare]

I like minior hes a cutie

[grave jolt]

eggy >:)

[sudden flower]

Any shell smash user (Torterra ) is welcome in my books :)

[grave jolt]

there's a minimum karma?

[fallen loom]

to get Darkrai

[sudden flower]

Have no clue tbh was just making a silly

[grave jolt]

ah

[weak trellis]

yea I think it's -10 for dark and +10 for mew but I might be wrong on that

[sudden flower]

As far as I know once you get below the karma needed for darkrai it doesn’t matter?

[fallen loom]

I thought it was -100 for Darkrai and +100 for Mew

[tawdry cave]

Omg I had so much fun on showdown with minior pre-bank gen 7

[obsidian hare]

No one would bother at this point

[sudden flower]

Nooo, it’s like 10 for mew and iirc -20 for rai?

[weak trellis]

I can see that but I believe those are the only two things that use karma

[obsidian hare]

I like how the thing you do for getting negative karma is literally save a child from endless suffering.

[sudden flower]

Would be cool if you got to like 100+ karma you were blessed by Arceus with a mist stone or something

[tawdry cave]

Plot twist, child was evil, darkrai reveals itself because you managed to be more evil than the child

[bold lantern]

Hey guys just remember my choices were super cool and everyone would have loved them, and your choices are the opposite unless we had the same choice in which case you’re also cool

[fallen loom]

no, Darkrai WAS the child

[grave jolt]

for high karma you get to take the being from which all life originates and slam dunk it into the PC forever 😉

[tawdry cave]

Oh, mb I was messing around I have t gotten darkrai

[obsidian hare]

fr, one you seal a demonic creature the other one you seal a cute cat.

Like, i totally am doing this just for justifying the amount of pokemon i bought from the black market (I was saving them)

[sudden flower]

Me farming mythical beings and gods from the black market

[misty sail]

NOOOOO

[sudden flower]

Some Rimworld level shenanigans lmao

[misty sail]

i dont dislike meloetta but i have a strict no legendary/mythical policy in my playthroughs 😭

[sudden flower]

Don’t worry they’ll prob be endgame exclusive 😔

[fallen loom]

when I play random I set BST to +-30, that way I really have a low chance of getting legendaries and mythicals

[misty sail]

damn i wanted the tynamo line

[mystic rivet]

Congrats to meloetta!

[obsidian hare]

We didnt get the worst mon, but it wasn't nearly the best

[charred grotto]

Heck yes Meloetta! I can’t wait to see how the transformation mechanic works with fusions

[sudden flower]

False meloetta is goated and you’re just haters (100% true opinion L)

[fallen loom]

I would have liked Solrock and Lunatone more for space stuff

[tawdry cave]

Yeah, also helps with not destroying balancing

[grave jolt]

so sad we didn't get archen

[obsidian hare]

REAL

[misty sail]

2nd worst mon we couldve had ngl 😭

[fallen loom]

plus if everything had the exact same BST as normal, you'd wind up with very similar Pokémon/fusions

[obsidian hare]

Archen or zerk would have been the best mons hands down. Also no, there were DEF worse ones

[tawdry cave]

Yeah, honestly an awesome feature

[grizzled cradle]

it went extinct

[misty sail]

ngl yeah

[bold lantern]

Archen is lame and I hope it never gets in and I will not elaborate on that

[misty sail]

meloetta lamer tho

glad we didnt get the chimeco line thats the worst of them all honestly

[obsidian hare]

Meloetta can have some good fusions (hoping for instrument themed fusions so bad)

[sterile verge]

to all the Meloetta haters I only have 1 thing to say...

[grizzled cradle]

meloetta allows for music-specific fusions (and 1000 vocaloid references)

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dancing-music-deal-with-it-meloetta-gif-17858141

[eager token]

I patiently await the day that the best mythical (Victini) is added 😔
But Meloetta is a cool Pokemon in general, I like the mechanics and they're pretty useable. Besides, it's unlikely to ALL just be "Miku but X"

[obsidian hare]

AS a musician im fine with meloetta. Zerk or Archen were 100% better choices

[eager token]

I've already seen a few I'd be willing to use

[sterile verge]

Libel

[plucky bobcat]

Honestly, not mad at all, but I really wanted other Pokemon to have a chance here outside of the 12 chosen candidates.

[obsidian hare]

^ that really true. I want victini in the game SO damn bad

[tawdry cave]

Victini is an awesome little guy

[grave jolt]

I don't dislike Meloetta, it's just...boring.

[misty sail]

victini the only mythical id allow myself to get

[white meadow]

11*

[obsidian hare]

Im seething over the lack of my second favorite mythical

[misty sail]

THIS!!

[mystic rivet]

They were never gonna be added all at once in the first place. Hopefully we can get more another time

[plucky bobcat]

So...when will we get the starters for Unova, Kalos and Alola?

[bold lantern]

You guys had like 25? Other Pokémon added outside this one raffle, you greedy little buggers

[eager token]

Facts, I'm so sad the lil guy hasn't gotten to show up in a while 😔

[tranquil path]

Congrats to the Meloetta supporters

[misty sail]

meloetta is just gonna be another gardevoire 😭

[grave jolt]

I give it as 6th place in the potential choices

[tawdry cave]

I think the point about instrument fusions is good. Honestly I think the spriters will make some cool stuff.

Definitely wish it was zerk or archen though :(

[mystic rivet]

Can't be mad with rng though.

[bold lantern]

Say that louder for some of these people here

[misty sail]

someone make a dead meloetta fusion

[mystic rivet]

YOU CANT BE MAD WITH RNG THOUGH

[bold lantern]

Frogman should add a second meloetta for double the fusions just because I am filled with venom

[eager token]

I was cool with any of them, though Shaymin (for MD vibes) or Meloetta were both my favs. If only because I want all the mythicals/legendaries in eventually

[plucky bobcat]

That can be something like Meloetta/Cofagrigus

[eager token]

Mythicals and legendaries always get the coolest fusions

[hollow creek]

Whats everyone's thoughts on meloetta?

[misty sail]

what were the past winners again

[mystic rivet]

There's a list pinned

[bold lantern]

It deserved to get in not because I like it but because people who are upset are funny

[hollow creek]

people are upset?

[mystic rivet]

By that logic we should have gotten bruxish

[plush inlet]

Victini my beloved...

[misty sail]

yes def

[bold lantern]

The sky is blue?!?

[tawdry cave]

It’s not what I was hoping for, but the spriters usually cook so it’s whatever

[obsidian hare]

so real

[zenith acorn]

The floor is made out of floor???

[hollow creek]

I was under the assumption meloetta was one of the better options

[mystic rivet]

i wanted to force spriters to make good bruxish fusions

[misty sail]

prolly second worst option

[bold lantern]

Of course people are upset, what with this being the most important things of all time: the 20-something choice for a fusion choice in a children’s fan game.

[tawdry cave]

Nah, I think it’s around the middle for me

[misty sail]

3rd*

the only ones that are worse are torkoal and the chimeco line

[bold lantern]

Torkoal would be great, that drought ability

[eager token]

I want all the "pixies" in - IE, Celebi, Victini, Mew, the Lake Trio, etc etc. So I can do some runs with them. Not for any specific reason, I just think they're cool

[tawdry cave]

Drought would be really fun. Also turtles are fun

[eager token]

So far we got about half of them, but not enough for the full team 😔

[mystic rivet]

Chimecho was a surprise pick for me. Not even seeing golisopod or lurantis or araquanid in the final 12 was a bigger surprise.

[bold lantern]

Solrock and lunatone are a worse choice, as is Archen, chimecho, specifically only the middle evo of eelektross, and shaymin just because me saying shaymin sucks is really funny

[tawdry cave]

We will get gen 7 bugs one day. They can’t be contained

[misty sail]

i wanna be a spriter asap so i can make every trubbish and garbodor fusions

[bold lantern]

Then go sprite

[misty sail]

idk how 🤑

[mystic rivet]

Nothing's stopping you from making the sprite before hand.

[bold lantern]

Then go learn

[plush inlet]

This gif is literally me.

[obsidian hare]

I just really REALLY want victini

[cinder oasis]

YouTube

[misty sail]

can someone send me a beginner vid or sum cuz idk where to start

[hollow creek]

shaymin woudlve been the only pokemon i'd be mildly dissapointed with

[bold lantern]

You take the sprites and you Frankenstein them together

[eager token]

Same. It'd be my #1 pick if I could add a legendary/mythical in rn

[mystic rivet]

A lot of customs are just refined versions of auto generated ones.

[loud depot]

It's not fugly seal at least

[bold lantern]

You can use this advice on spriting, it worked for me 👍

[obsidian hare]

theres not even that much more to add in the first place

[misty sail]

what website??

[bold lantern]

Have you read #spriting-guidelines by chance? It has suggestions for that and tips and all that

[misty sail]

not yet

[bold lantern]

🫵 YOU. Go read.

[pure pewter]

So much disappointment

[misty sail]

hmm what will my first fusion sprite thingy be

[eager token]

Off the top of my head... Legendaries for gen 6, 7, 8, and 9. The lake trio. Hoopa. The storm trio. The swords of justice. Heatran. Cresselia. Manaphy and Phione. And... the UBs. I think that's it?

[sullen elbow]

Yeah we only got a bunch of free content for our free fangame

[obsidian hare]

I meant mythical wise

We are missing volcanion, but i think im the only person in the world who likes that stupid lil lad.

[kindred minnow]

Aw man I was hoping for chimeco but this is fine too

[sullen elbow]

Do ultra necrozma/ kyurem

[eager token]

Ah, Hoopa. Manaphy, Diancie, Kaledo, Volcanion, Marshadow, and like all of the Gen 6 onward mythicals.

Still a good few mythicals to go.

[obsidian hare]

i will admit.
Victini, Volcanion, and Zeraora may be some of my favorite mythicals

[eager token]

Victini, Diancie, Hoopa, Kaledo. I think those would be the ones I want the most.

Can you tell I like gen 5 a lot?

[bold lantern]

Start simple. Like first stage evolutions

[obsidian hare]

its my favorite gen dw

[tawdry cave]

It’s a good gen fs

[eager token]

Gen 5 had, imo, the strongest set of legendaries & mythicals out of any gen

[kindred minnow]

I am once again asking for rowlet

[obsidian hare]

Hey is L:A considered gen 8 or 9?

[bold lantern]

Gen 5 would be better if they had meloetta, so unfortunately IF > gen 5

[tawdry cave]

I think 8?

[obsidian hare]

and what about BDSP?

[astral zinc]

9

[hollow quest]

yes PLA is 8, and meloetta was gen 5

[obsidian hare]

got it

[hollow quest]

and no BDSP should still be gen 8

[sullen elbow]

8

[tawdry cave]

I think bdsp also 8? I think just gens just separated by the last mainline release

[obsidian hare]

fair

[hollow quest]

gen 9 start was S/V, and yeah that's the general rule inferius

that's why the let's go games are gen 7

[bold lantern]

Pretty sure the hisuian Pokémon are considered gen 9

[hollow quest]

i mean you can get them in gen 9 but they're still gen 8

why would they be gen 9 pokemon when they were introduced in a gen 8 game

[obsidian hare]

If i see another post about Lugia propaganda ima lose it

[white meadow]

they should really add lugia fr

[tawdry cave]

Isn’t lugia in the game already?

[obsidian hare]

I mostly mean people who think Lugia should be a water type

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-goofy-goober-silly-just-like-me-fr-gif-478674937810798419

[white meadow]

oh

i don't think people here are really advocating for that tho

[tawdry cave]

It’s been like 20 years now lol

[white meadow]

not in this channel at least

[tawdry cave]

I thought water lugia discourse wasn’t really a thing anymore

[obsidian hare]

Nah, but this is also the only pokemon community that im in so i figured id mention it. Also nah, i still see lugia in like every "pokemon that should be a different type!!" youtube video

[tawdry cave]

Gotcha

[obsidian hare]

It is like, one of the few small details that when I hear it makes me moderately annoyed

[white meadow]

"pokemon should be a different type" 👎
"pokemon should have a different ability" 👍

why doesn't flygon get sand stream

[obsidian hare]

Real, So real. Please stop giving awesome legendaries pressure

[tawdry cave]

Hidden abilities for gen 2 Pokémon went so hard, then at gen 4 they just said telepathy…

[clever atlas]

Bronzong could have drizzle, its Dex entries say it was used to bring rain

[white meadow]

dialga should set trick room on entry

[sullen elbow]

nah pokemon fans are incapable of letting things go

[obsidian hare]

just resubmitted my idea for a lucario fusion

[bold lantern]

Lugia should be a bug type (reply didn’t work wah)

[obsidian hare]

I agree actually

[bold lantern]

Bug water

[sullen elbow]

It should be ground rock

[tawdry cave]

Have we considered crab

[vagrant rune]

Lugia must be pure flying because, you know, it's white

Flawless logic and my opinion is objective

[glad pawn]

meoletta wheyyyyy

[spiral vale]

meloetta stay winning

gonna be the next gardevoir

[wraith imp]

I just saw Meloetta got picked

[loud sorrel]

probably yeah
gonna be another "girl" pokemon to make girl fusions with lol

[spiral vale]

humanoid pokemon usually get the best fusions

[loud sorrel]

totally

[neon osprey]

whos ready for 72 seperate hatsune miku fusions with meloetta

[wraith imp]

probably but the creative people can do music based fusions too

[hazy pine]

Mega simp material, just in the flavor of "pop idol". The music fusions could be good, but otherwise, 100 simp material.

[loud sorrel]

im totally gonna make a centaur fusion of it when i get the chance

[spiral vale]

hoping we get another medusa - style fusion

[loud sorrel]

i think we will actually

[cloud gorge]

eh too bad about xurkitree

[spiral vale]

arbok/gardevoir is really good

[wraith imp]

Someone will probably another Hatsune Miku sprite for Meloetta

[cloud gorge]

good for meloetta fans though

[spiral vale]

oh i just realized this isnt general

[white meadow]

too bad pirouette isn't a separate mon

[spiral vale]

is the other form gonna be a seperate thing or is it just gonna be an alt sprite

[white meadow]

i mean it's actually gonna be a separate form just like u necrozma

[loud sorrel]

i think meloetta transforms by using a move if im not wrong
meaning it couldve totally just been a separate form instead of a separate dex number like U necrozma

[white meadow]

but im still sad since it basically forces you to use a move that isn't even that good

[loud sorrel]

wait i checked
its an alt form like U necrozma

[wraith imp]

to be fair who says you can't just use the other form instead of the standard to create the sprite visually?
I mean fusions already change the appearance so maybe incoporate the alt form where it makes sense with the fusion itself?

[obtuse silo]

battle form transformation

[spiral vale]

me who doesnt know who u necrozma is

[white meadow]

ultra necrozma

[zenith relic]

Meloette Pokemon!'s Britney Spears

[white meadow]

(4 more letters is too much effort)

[spiral vale]

still dont know, i havent actually played anything past gen 3

[wraith imp]

Necrozma but yellow

[white meadow]

and dragon

[frozen oyster]

was really hoping for Slurpuff. Meloetta just feels like another waifu mon. Im expecting a lot of hatsune miku and Friday night funkin references.

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-z-move-the-light-that-burns-the-sky-gif-27570537

[wraith imp]

ok there's a lot more than yellow but that's probably the first notable thing since it's a glow

mhh, I know this is new pokémon talk but I don't remember if there were any Monster Hunter ones. Any of the new ones could be used to make any other video game monsters?

[charred grotto]

In all fairness I am 1000% on board with Hatsune Miku and Friday Night Funkin references

[main light]

belly drum unburden and drain punch all in one pokemon would be fun to have in IF

[frozen oyster]

Drampuff. Drampa slurpuff would have gotten Berserk with STAB Draining kiss

Plus, all the dessert fusions would have been really fun.

[alpine rune]

Ain't no way Melo actually got it

Goddamn

[spiral vale]

and thats a bad thing?

[alpine rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302153478556352513/1156767286317817876/tumblr_54d5b01551a65e6763528c9dae1fcf67_91eb1833_250.gif?ex=65162afc&is=6514d97c&hm=f0375252376a2f2ed8db4b8409c98fdd95318787d182e50896e9000a0b76b766&

Right just a few days when I posted my miku trainer sprites

Same but oh well, meloetta was my third most wanted so no losses here

[vagrant turret]

Oh no the bad ending D:

[alpine rune]

Tbh, I'm all for it because people won't fucking use gardevoir as excuse no more.

My hatred for gardevoir stems from this server

[obsidian wedge]

Hey guys

I have a New Pokemon suggestion

How about including Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus?

Even tho they're legendaries they're sooo underrated

[white meadow]

Well here is the thing
We are not the person that adds it

• All bods of the normal forms end up as exactly the same mon

[obsidian wedge]

Ok

How about Heatran

[white meadow]

I like that choice
It gives a lot pvp and sprite wise

[late thunder]

Would be cool to make a Steel/Bug with flash fire

[obsidian wedge]

Ok

[alpine rune]

funny lava frog

[obsidian wedge]

How about including Terrakion, Cobalion, Virizion and Keldeo

They're the BEST Legendaries in Unova

[ember plover]

I feel extreme sorrow that Shaymin didn't win it, it was my top legendary pick, cute little flower hedgehog

[obsidian wedge]

He isn't just a hedgehog, he is also a Flying Deer

[ember plover]

True, a perfect little Christmas time guy too

[alpine rune]

xurkitree

[plush inlet]

Shiny Victini is red and white

[ember plover]

Xurkitree is an interdimensional beast now how does that say Christmas

He's like if a Christmas tree became evil came to life and started zapping people for years of tree enslavement actually you know what now I'm sold

[hazy pine]

There actually was a movie made with this idea, except of zapping people, its an serial killer that died and possed a Christmas tree.

[alpine rune]

funn christmast light

[ember plover]

Okay but do people throw red and white balls at the serial killer to try and make him stop and/or capture him to fuse him with other serial killers

[alpine rune]

I think if any pokemon would be perfect for christmas fusions, its abomasnow

• Tree
• Old looking guy
• Ice type
• Santa body type

[ember plover]

Well I mean, if it's ANY Pokemon it's delibird whomstest we have

[empty leaf]

I mean both would work

[alpine rune]

Delibird/Abomasnow would be just literal santa

[normal vapor]

I SAW RIGHT NOW THAT MELOETTA WON

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[echo citrus]

Every time I see these mon I am further convinced they are the worst designs to come from gamefreak

[alpine rune]

dont blame gf, I just cant draw

[echo citrus]

Sorry that was not meant for you at all. Specifically talking about meloetta

[alpine rune]

no its definitely my fault that it come out as ugly

[echo citrus]

Didn't even see your pic. Literally came from looking at them again to see what everyone else does, and blindly posted my complaint while scrolled up

[alpine rune]

Even the blind can see how horrible my products are, goddamn

[royal drum]

Moeletta!!
Yay

[round gale]

Hyped for Meloetta! I'll keep on waiting patiently for Slurpuff's next chance at making dessert fusions

[keen gorge]

Wouldn't have been my first pick but at least it wasn't Popplio 🙏

[royal drum]

Say @spice sage quick question about moeletta. Since we can't get necroz/ult_necroz in the game, and it probably won't also happen with moe/moe_pirouette, since those form only happen during battle, does that mean we can't get ultra_necrozma/moeletta_pirouette in the game, or can both pokemon get those form during battle?

[obtuse silo]

you should get both during battle

[alpine rune]

I saw Necroz turn to ultra necrozma when I was trying to catch it

It was using Photon Geyser and it changed forms

So Im thinking Relic song would aso do the trick

IF you want Ultra Pirouette maybe use both moves?

[iron quartz]

@alpine rune LETS GOOOOO

@brisk vessel WE WON
LETS GOOO

[alpine rune]

To be frank I dont like loudred

but i want this little goofball

Airpods looking ass

[hushed mantle]

I want to kick it

[sullen elbow]

~||~I want to kick the dog in your pfp~~||

[cinder oasis]

Sigma

[sullen elbow]

true

[alpine rune]

Any edgy/irrensponsible thing someone does but it is targetted against an organized system: *happens
every 14 year old boy: Sigma move right there

[cinder oasis]

So a singular dog is now an organized system?

[sullen elbow]

yes, that dog was the leader of the mafia, totally

[silent acorn]

FREAK YESSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSS YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS

@sharp nebula SHE IS IN FINALLY!

MAN FINALLY FINALLY! I don't have to wait until next year!

Oh I can do it... Now I can do it! Just what I need to do what I wanted to do!!

[wintry imp]

Congrats to Meloetta

[spiral vale]

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/calishibe714-doge-dogearmy-celebrate-we-did-it-gif-22546129

Fock yes! The odds were agaisnt us but we won!

My god, God dear sweet lord thou art mighty in RNGESUS

[late torrent]

I want it too

[spiral vale]

literally one of the other choices was put twice and we still won

the odds were stacked against us

[silent acorn]

Indeed they were, but God makes justice for us

[sharp nebula]

How did I know that I'd get a ping when you saw the reveal 😂

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-the-lord-break-thank-god-shouting-shout-gif-16054813

[silent acorn]

Cuz I appreciate you like that, and cuz I am cool like that

We freaking won I can't believe it

I seriously seriously can't believe rock parrot was 2 slots and we had 12 other stuff agaisnt us

I am seeing this hours after it happened, this is so good all the salt has left the server so I can enjoy the victory with sugar

[late torrent]

Meloetta isn’t good

It’s amazing

[fleet quail]

Two of them? This is an injustice (but think of what we could do with a third)

[spiral vale]

oh i just noticed

haru

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[silent acorn]

Too late for gimmicks and bs

[agile olive]

meloetta? man I'm disappointed

I wanted archen...

[robust geyser]

I wanted archen too, but don't worry we'll rig the next election

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/birb-pick-up-tongs-bird-gif-10458977

How do you want your archen? Breaded? Fried? Steamed?

Oh what am I talking about, it's burnt to a crisp right now.

The universe has thus spoken

[hushed mantle]

You can’t he has a pipe bomb inside his stomach and will explode if you kick him (he is immune to explosions btw)

[silent acorn]

Oh who knows if there is another spriters vote it might win.

[silent acorn]

It'll support it more next time I promise

Archen, meh. It had it's time now, ain't gonna give it more credit muahahaha

[alpine rune]

the melo cult rejoiced

truly a bad ending for the other clans

[late torrent]

Truth be told I didn’t really think about meloetta until recently but i actually have come to like the design

[silent acorn]

It's simple humanoid which is what the tribalists and purists hate, it's a good mon, has good personality and embodies music nicely

I do have a question for the other tribes why did archeops pass from middle tier to suddenly top tier?

[alpine inlet]

So the result was Meloetta? neat

[feral bear]

Where is egg overlord!!!!

[silent acorn]

Oh he died. By the way your thoughts miss jojoa

[alpine inlet]

Heres hoping one of the next contest winners (if there will be another) slips in Sigilyph somehow. But more importantly I just hope all the most popular picks get in first. 🙂

[silent acorn]

Which are?

[feral bear]

On meloetta? Not my personal fav but im glad we got a new mythical! I cant say that i dont see the body potential bc i literally main sableye who is actually just a stick figure LOL

[mystic rivet]

gem gremlin is top tier design

[feral bear]

I would have much preferred slurpuff or luna and sol but i am not disappointed!

[silent acorn]

Well it's a classic and mawile is in so... Also it's free

[late torrent]

This raffle actually got me to like meloetta instead of hate it

[feral bear]

Oh i know, i am the sableye CEO here 😎

[alpine inlet]

Which are what? Popular picks? I mean there are plenty, at least compared to the amount of Sigilyph enjoyers

[mystic rivet]

just waiting on the pack in a few days for hopeful rockruff fusions so i can actual continue playing lol

[feral bear]

All in all i think that if we have this whole event again next year, the roster will be rounded out really nicely

[late torrent]

Which ones are you waiting for?

[silent acorn]

I am playing on dynamic and Sprites work

[alpine inlet]

I will say it how it is, there are far more claydol fans, for example, than there are sigilyph fans, that sort of popularity I guess I am referring to.

[mystic rivet]

nothing in particular, they just have no customs at all cuz they were added so late. and this doesn't count.

[silent acorn]

I'd vote for both I love ancient pokemon

[brisk vessel]

LESGO

[silent acorn]

Hit me up fam 🖐️

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/nigelthornberryvp-nigel-nigel-thornberry-kamala-harris-we-did-it-joe-gif-20034998

[brisk vessel]

We're so back

[silent acorn]

Indeed we are, no need to cope anymore

[feral bear]

Archeops TWICE and melo still won because yall are so tapped IN

[mystic rivet]

well it won on rng

[feral bear]

It was faith and manifesting actually

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kaiji-gif-5474004

The glory...

God gifted us something good

[brisk vessel]

This is all I've ever wanted

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/loser-say-things-shallowhal-comeback-gif-19757755

[mystic rivet]

i have no problem with meloetta

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-im-right-sheldon-cooper-big-bang-theory-you-know-it-gif-5055727

[silent acorn]

Then It won fair and square, how doesn't matter besides RNG was in favor of archeops and it didn't win, so everything is fair and legit

[brisk vessel]

So happy with this but I wouldn't have been mad with Archeops tbf

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-no-sure-cant-sleep-gif-12699625

What we need archeops for honestly. We are good with meloetta, hell even the universe through numbers decided now it's not the time for it

I don't know how people see it as the mvp of Gen 5

[feral bear]

Archeops would make a very cute sableye, but i am tired of rock heads, and more specifically head mons that dont have their type swapped

[mystic rivet]

i don't want tortuga left out as the only not included fossils not counting galar since they're never getting in anyway

[brisk vessel]

Archeops is really strong and funny dinosaur

[silent acorn]

I love carracosta and still find archeops meh at best, sigilyph is one of the best mons of Gen 5

[brisk vessel]

Having a Slaking 2 never hurts

[silent acorn]

Except it isn't slaking, it's nerf was never needed

[brisk vessel]

Though I am still much happier with what won ofc

[mystic rivet]

i just like weird pokemon for the interesting fusions

[feral bear]

I really cant complain tho, my two biggest wishes for IF were sableye and scolipede so i ate veeery well

[silent acorn]

these seem nice on paper but something doesn't add up about it

If say it was a extreme one sided attack stat hell yes, but this is kind of mushy for a fusion

Anyway, it's over my suffering on archeops is over

Next poll is the lilligangs don't ruin our drift

[prime dust]

got it, vote for everything that isn't lilligant

[silent acorn]

Nah I am saying support the poor flower that's already in the game and fix that inconsistency

[prime dust]

then we'd also have to vote in musharna

[silent acorn]

It's actually a very fun and good mon to use

[sterile verge]

lilligant is just white bellossom

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-dragon-ball-z-gohan-frieza-great-saiyaman-gif-17664795

Goddamn bull sheet.

Lilligant can actually put up a fight

It's one of the most capable pokemon of draining something to death

Anyway honestly, Musharna, Lilligant, Vanilluxe, mienshao and Sigilyph are the lasts good mons from Gen 5

[sterile verge]

bellossom literally has better stats tf you talking about?

[silent acorn]

Do you see anyone saying it is better than vileplume cuz I dont

Lilligant is it's own mon, it's perfectly fine how it is

Better stats than lilligant he says

[brisk vessel]

Tbf liligant has much better optimized stats

[sterile verge]

fair

[silent acorn]

Exactly it's way better optimized, much the same thing with musharna and hypno

[sterile verge]

but for fusions the difference is negligable between the two

[silent acorn]

You can compare musharna and Hypno, and they have a world of difference.

Yeah belllosom is a goddamn green midget

[daring burrow]

hmm
so we finally get the last update pokemon?

[sterile verge]

mono grass flower dancers with chlorophyll and a ok special atk

[silent acorn]

The only reason I look at that mon is that it is about similar but worse lilligant

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-24017255

[sterile verge]

but we have bellossom, lilligant would literally just be worse in every way compared to adding, say, Lurantis

[brisk vessel]

True I would rather have Lurantis over Liligant if it was one or the other

[hollow quest]

i am still happy it got third place in the spriters' vote

[brisk vessel]

How do you know the spriters vote placements

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm let's see

[hollow quest]

because the top 10 was given publicly

[alpine rune]

I guess the hopetta really went through huh

[silent acorn]

Blaq shared them I think

[hollow quest]

lycanroc #1, golisopod #2, lurantis #3

[hushed mantle]

Another thing in common. Both of them have quiver dance and an horrendous offensive movepool

[silent acorn]

You guys are really trying to find an excuse to not let lilligant in huh

[sterile verge]

again, negligable differences. And if your going into the 4-5 moves to prove they arent a copy pasted mon, i think you should look at the forest instead of the trees

[hollow quest]

i'd appreciate lurantis, lilligant and tsareena all in. i just want lurantis the most

[silent acorn]

And they want archeops who is copy paste aerodactyl

[silent acorn]

Trust me we are on the same boat

[alpine rune]

Chotto-

Meloetta learns close combat?!

[silent acorn]

Yes

Piruette form, fighting type pre gen 6, they had close combat as peak attack

[sterile verge]

this isnt a "which one is better" arguement, it's a "is this mon different enough from what we already have?" arguement

we have bellossom, we would have to add Lilligant over a more diverse grass type

[hollow quest]

lurantis' main strategic draw is contrary, which is a very good reason since shuckle is an awful attacker

[silent acorn]

The best grass type are freaking mono grass what are you on about

Excepting sawsbuck

[alpine rune]

I gotta make a piroutte form for my ninjask and shedinja then

[hollow quest]

in fairness i liked lilligant most with hisui

[hushed mantle]

Sawsbuck is normal/grass

[sterile verge]

contrary/leaf blade would be so fun to use

[alpine rune]

this lol

[silent acorn]

Why do you think I said excepting sawsbuck, he isn't mono grass

[hollow quest]

cute shy lilligant is cool but i want the lilligant that'll just kick your ass

too bad we won't get the hisui form

[silent acorn]

The best grass one would want are mono, not dual type grass

[silent acorn]

Well it could be an alt, their forms are fair game for everything

[gilded star]

how doth one update?

[hollow quest]

being an alt is not the same as bein the actual mon unfortunately

[silent acorn]

#gameplay-help they can give you more info

[sterile verge]

again: this isnt a "which one is better" arguement, it's a "is this mon different enough from what we already have?" arguement

gogoat, lurantis, etc. both look & act much more differently to other mono grass types

Bellossom and Lilligant are so similar that I literally can have this arguement in the first place.

[hushed mantle]

I mean you’re not wrong. We have sceptile, rillaboom, ogerpon, among others

[silent acorn]

Uh hu, do you think I care that belllosom looks the same? Lilligant has no fault belllosom existed since Gen 2, in fact no mon has any fault being compared to the artifacts of the first gens

Bellossom just plain sucks, everyone goes for vileplume anyway

[hushed mantle]

Aren’t gen 5 pokemon copies of already existing pokemon?

[sterile verge]

i dont care whether you care, but in a fusion game looks almost always are more important than viability

[silent acorn]

Nope at all, they were redesign from the old gens using the old as base to see what they could exploit

[sterile verge]

this, and by design too

[silent acorn]

By that logic nothing makes archeops special

[sterile verge]

they were made to replace the old ones, a soft reboot kinda thing

[silent acorn]

Who says they couldn't revisit old stuff

[sterile verge]

bro they literally made it as a soft reboot, this is literally common knowledge

[silent acorn]

According to who?

[lament tundra]

According to Game Freak

[hushed mantle]

Isn’t it obvious?

[silent acorn]

So they are worth less?

[lament tundra]

That's why none of the old pokemon are available until the postgame

[alpine rune]

why do I save these?

[hollow quest]

i find neglecting viability dumb in its own way, not because extreme strategy is needed for this game, but because neglecting a chunk of the community is a bad move

[silent acorn]

Honestly was the best experience I had, not seeing freaking pikachu anywhere

[lament tundra]

Black and White remain the only main series games that don't have pikachu catchable

[silent acorn]

They are all the better for it. BW2 suck.

[sterile verge]

ok so this is def rage bait

[alpine rune]

Oh boy here we go

[sterile verge]

no longer having a discussion with this man

[silent acorn]

Eh

[hollow quest]

i have never once heard a single person say BW2 sucks, nice bait

[sterile verge]

Crabrawler would honestly be a good addition

[silent acorn]

Yeah well they exist, it's not a rule to praise it

[lament tundra]

Agreed. I didn't know anything about any of the new mons first time I played Black and had to learn about pokemon all over again.

[sterile verge]

the only thing that makes it bad (the face/hair) is literally up to intreptation

[hushed mantle]

Congratulations you won first place in a contest of lies 🏆

[lament tundra]

Although BW2 are good games too imo

[silent acorn]

Eh, to me gen 5 was BW and that was the more fun I had

[alpine rune]

It's an allegory of most people unanimously decide that it is not good visual or gameplay wise and it is a representation of why both arguments, visual or gameplay, are both flawed.

[sterile verge]

bw2 was my fav pokemon game ngl. well all of gen 5 tbh was the best the series had produced

[silent acorn]

That explains why you say I am rage baiting when I am not

[sterile verge]

if Scarlet/Violet wasnt a unpolished mess it'd have been my fav tho

[hollow quest]

from what i played of gen 5, it is extremely good, but i had more fun with gen 3 and gen 7. gen 5 is still #3 though easily

[silent acorn]

Oh yes, it has rough spots I am not saying it's 100% perfect

[alpine rune]

Because there's bound to be that one guy who likes Wormadam, just because 1 person likes it doesnt mean everyone has to

[silent acorn]

I just like the feeling of just having fresh mons again and again, I don't feel connections to other regions

[hollow quest]

disclaimer, gen 3 IS more nostalgia

[silent acorn]

It is more nostalgia, I did watch the anime and saw classmates play it

[hollow quest]

but gen 7 is just because i genuinely enjoyed my time with it

[silent acorn]

That's fair, I find it to be a fine Gen

[sterile verge]

yea gen 3 is nostalgia for me, first game i played was emerald

[hollow quest]

but to clarify, i find none of the games even close to perfect

[silent acorn]

I honestly think if you see the gens based on mon roster alone either Gen 2 or 6 are the weakest ones

[sterile verge]

except legend arceus

[silent acorn]

No mechanics, not gameplay, mon addition

It added good things and not so good ones. Or it used the ones it had rather badly

[sterile verge]

xy was the worst pokemon game for its time imo

[hollow quest]

i do acknowledge the common complaints against gen 7, like rotomdex, hau or too many cutscenes or even the switch in story between original and ultra. i do even agree to a point, but they didn't change my enjoyment much

[silent acorn]

It's a more modern game, Gen 6 was steering that way. Relying on 3d for mon design wasn't such a good idea

[hollow quest]

alao gen 6 is easily the worst modern game. the only games functionally worse were gen 1/2

[silent acorn]

Also fun fact that Gen 6 mainly had the ghost plants and Skiddo as the plant mons

[silent acorn]

See thats what I mean. They are important because duh start of the series but goddamn you can judge a lot of it.

[alpine rune]

Tbf no games are perfect. This guy is the embodiment of it

[silent acorn]

Lame guy

[alpine rune]

I cant imagine Actually playing and battling counts as a sweaty move

[silent acorn]

I like progressing my mons, not feeding them steroid filled candies

[alpine rune]

I shouldve ask him "Why dont you just watch someone else play"

[hollow quest]

gen 1 had somewhat of a pass, because it was the first and i understand it was a new thing and all. but that doesn't mean its issues should just be ignored. the reason i find gen 2 the worst overall was because it actually fixed a lot of the glitchiness that made gen 1 somewhat fun

[lament tundra]

X and Y really needed a Z

[silent acorn]

Gen 2 had more focus fixing stuff than actually adding stuff. I feel Gen 3 did the best balancing act

Seriously belllosom didn't need to exist, it has like 0 reason, vileplume was perfect end to its line

[lament tundra]

The anime did Z

And it would have saved them from having to shoehorn Zygarde and it's new forms into Sun and Moon

[hollow quest]

not to mention gen 2 had the worst new mon set, annoying mechanics, an annoying map and a bad level curve. it ultimately led me to place it at the very bottom

[silent acorn]

I am playing a hack, enjoying my time with just the improved roster. Jesus does the base heartgold still suck major ass

[hollow quest]

hot take time, but the remakes only made it partially better, because it didn't really fix a lot of the complaints i had with the original. i think they're overrated

i think the best remakes were FR/LG

[silent acorn]

They are good for the visuals and adding the updated stuff, but man there is stuff you can't fix no matter how much you try

[lament tundra]

The problem with Gen 2 is that many of the better mons aren't even available until Kanto

I've wanted to use Houndoom on a playthrough forever, but it's impossible in the base game.

Need to add a romhack to do so.

[hollow quest]

however, i will throw a shoutout to OR/AS, because despite their 3D nature, i think they actually were good remakes overall

[alpine rune]

exactly because of this reason I thought skarmory and houndoom are gen 3 mons lol

[hollow quest]

improved on the originals in ways and added more to it

[alpine rune]

i like the flying with latios mechanic ngl

[lament tundra]

Yeah, that was cool

[alpine rune]

It was very charming, I wish theres like a pokemon emerald remake

[lament tundra]

My only issue with ORAS was the removal of the battle frontier.

They were good remakes besides that

[alpine rune]

That too but i dont mind too much because they made it simpler

[hollow quest]

yeah i definitely won't say it's perfect, but imo it helped gen 6 a lot

as much crap as i want to give the let's go games, they weren't terrible ideas either

[alpine rune]

Simpler doesnt mean better, I mean RSE have more options but i like that its not too confusiong

[silent acorn]

To be honest always felt the battle frontier was just extra for those people who like their files completed

[hollow quest]

i think the purpose they were intended to have works

[silent acorn]

Item gathering spots for multi-player?

[lament tundra]

It was something to do for the people who don't do online battling.

[alpine rune]

I think they are first attempts to make 3d free roam kind of game

[grave jolt]

Should have had a "Beta Emerald" in addition to ORAS 😔

[silent acorn]

I didnt do online battling and still didn't like it hahaha

[alpine rune]

They always test new mechanics with kanto

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/zinnia-zinnia-pokemon-pokemon-oras-omega-ruby-gif-22480061

[silent acorn]

I see the leyley I know what you been up to

[alpine rune]

I feel like Legends arceus is the best overall game I've ever seen

[hollow quest]

also i didn't exactly hate BDSP, but it definitely was the weakest remake, mainly because it stuck way too closely to the originals, when a remake should fix the issues of the original and add more to them. BDSP didn't really do that well

[silent acorn]

Oh yes it looks goddamn awesome and probably is

[silent acorn]

Honestly the only thing I envy of the remake is the outfit customization
But that's about it

[alpine rune]

Laugh all you want about the graphics, but I actually dont mind the 144p resolution, all I care is that it is very close, almost exactly what i want when it comes to "free roam pokemon"

[hollow quest]

PLA is incredible, it's the best modern game overall

[lament tundra]

BDSP was such a faitful remake that it even had all the original bugs.

[silent acorn]

Its because it's cell shaded and works amazing with the tone

[lament tundra]

They copy pasted the code from Diamond and Pearl and just made it look prettier.

[hollow quest]

it was a really fun adventure, and felt like a cool new way of lookin at pokemon

[sterile verge]

faithful to the bad, unfaithful to the good 😔

[alpine rune]

I kinda wish that they scale the gym level based on how many badges you got in SCSV, whats the point of free roam when you still need to beat the gyms in order

[hollow quest]

screw that ||arcanine|| though, i hated its fight

[silent acorn]

You get how I felt when I played black and white. Seeing them move for the first time in sprite form.... Just... Wow

[alpine rune]

[hollow quest]

even ||arceus himself|| i had way less trouble with

[silent acorn]

Necrozma story boss fight in USM lol

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-juicer-gif-23575721

People when Volo:

[hollow quest]

that was the moment primarina became my favorite starter

[silent acorn]

Oh nice

[hollow quest]

it saved my ass

[sterile verge]

so uh, you going to add those insane meloetta fusions you made way back when? 👀

[alpine rune]

I knew something was shady with volo, but I didnt expect him to go all bonkers

I expect him to be the lawful villain, not the chaotic villain

[silent acorn]

Honestly when I played BW and I beat N I seriously didn't expect Ghetsis to jump me, caught me so offguard I think I lost, classic continuous boss battle

Ah the classic hard battles, Cynthia and N+Ghetsis double wammy

Battling Red and Steven post-game on classic gens, jeebus

[hollow quest]

idk which battle i've truly had the most issue with. i really sucked ass in US with the kommo-o totem and ultra necrozma, but at that time i wasn't good with type matchups and stuff

once i played ultra moon, i did way better

[silent acorn]

A fun fact about fighting cynthia is that her whole team have perfect IVs

[hollow quest]

the thing about cynthia is i knew what to expect, so i prepared a lot

[silent acorn]

I didn't so, I mostly walk up to her with a very cookie cutter team

[lament tundra]

In BDSP, She has perfect IVs and competitive battle items

[hollow quest]

so i really didn't have the same amount of issue as others did

[alpine rune]

my 16 year old ass sure didnt

[lament tundra]

A lot of people struggled cause the base game is so easy compared to what they did with the e4

[alpine rune]

It actually took me 3 tries

[hollow quest]

yeah it's kinda unfair, i only played plat inum and BDSP this year

[silent acorn]

Imagine Geeta uses glimmora first, that toxic spikes would mess you up good

[hollow quest]

i'm 21 now

[drowsy elm]

YOOOOOOO

[silent acorn]

Ol girl lol

[drowsy elm]

MELLOETTA DUB

[remote ibex]

bro im so happy for the melloeta enjoyers

[drowsy elm]

FUCKING FINALLY WOOOOOOOO

[remote ibex]

they fought the entire duration and they won in the end

[hollow quest]

oh right sorry, i'm over 40

[silent acorn]

Old hag XD

[hollow quest]

[silent acorn]

Anyway I have a holy pentagram of grass types in the future

Sawsbuck, Skiddo, Lilligant, Lurantis and Tsareena. Literally that it, I don't want no mushrooms

[hollow quest]

ah i guess i can't say what i wanted to, oh well

people might call lusamine something different, shall we say

[hollow quest]

i don't think most people want them lol

[silent acorn]

What were the other grass ones? Like Virizion, Carnivine, Tropius, Wormadan, and uh..... Simisage, boy gen 5 didn't have many grass types

[dull panther]

Archeops enjoyers you guys had 2 slots that the raffle could pick for you to win and you still lost

[hollow quest]

tropius is sad, it's a cool design hampered by stats and typing

[worldly spear]

We need more fire types

[silent acorn]

Yeah I know, everyone is too bananas about the fruit dinosaur sad sigh

[dull panther]

I can see why you are called unfunny comedian

[mystic kernel]

MELLOETTAAA

[dull panther]

[zealous flint]

So many miku sprites

[silent acorn]

Miku awesome

[mystic kernel]

I was not expecting melloetta to win

[worldly spear]

Real

[hollow quest]

i was very much expecting that

[mystic kernel]

I mean, I think she should win, but I wasn't expecting it to happen :D

[dull panther]

Was kind hoping for the Popplio line ngl

[mystic kernel]

I am so happy

[silent acorn]

They'll get in eventually don't chu worry

Man I fear nex vote is gonna be tropius damnit dudd

[dull panther]

Tropius should get an evo or pre evo

[zealous flint]

We need grass/steel armored tropius evolution

[silent acorn]

It really doesn't deserve anything according to gamefreak

[zealous flint]

Pikachu deserves nothing

[hollow quest]

grass/steel with flash fire

[silent acorn]

And still it does, point was Gamefreak is unfair

[dull panther]

Oh fuck yes

[zealous flint]

Make tropius great

[silent acorn]

Someone told me heatran can do that combo

[zealous flint]

Durant evolution with flash fire

[brisk vessel]

I'm doing some QA first

[silent acorn]

Oh can I participate?
Oh I thought it meant questions and answers lol

Just quality assurance

Salazzle for IF 2024

[raw bison]

Eh. Pleasantly surprised to see a few custom sprites using meloetta as the head already, cause that's where Meloetta actually has unique attributes.

Thoroughly whelmed - but not surprised - that the chibi-gardevoir type body fusions are taking the lead. But at least I haven't seen anything I need to report to the mods (yet)

[hollow quest]

the fact that salazzle wasn't top 10 in the spriter vote makes me think many spriters actually wanted it but were too scared to say so

[silent acorn]

Dude its a small music lady what in the name of everything sacred are you even gonna report? "oh it has a note that it's incorrect"

[zealous flint]

Meganium remains single

[silent acorn]

I swear everyone who talks about other pokemon that would be like gardevoir haven't gone to the place where no light escapes

This and keldeo are worse than people can imagine

[zealous flint]

WHAT

[raw bison]

People really gonna wring their handkerchiefs about goodra and salazzle when the normie bait is right there

[obtuse jay]

[silent acorn]

This is something you are not gonna want to see

[zealous flint]

Not surprised

[obtuse jay]

thats enough internet for today

[thorny ferry]

wtf are yall doing

[zealous flint]

Zoophiles are way too common

[silent acorn]

Bringing accurate internet statistics

[hollow quest]

before this topic gets shut down, one rule to remember is that nothing is safe, so don't act like it is

[raw bison]

The first time I saw shamin I thought it was an OC pokemon because it looked like a Sonic character

[silent acorn]

It's the OC ones that trigger certain people's neurons the most

[worldly spear]

The MLP Fandom and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[thorny ferry]

I came here expecting some sort of talk about the new mon

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/2black-boys-look-at-eachother-gif-22406578

[hollow quest]

the announcement was like seven hours ago, it's settlin down

[silent acorn]

I was bringing data because Kaegro said he was checking every sprite for stuff to report

[zealous flint]

Should have been torkoal

[raw bison]

That is not what I said my dude

[thorny ferry]

to me it just happened

[worldly spear]

But like fr tho I'm trying to find a fusion for a water/fire type and I have like 30 water types and 10 fire types avaliable

[raw bison]

I was saying I was relieved I hadn't seen anything that I needed to report, eg that I had not had to use eye bleach and that was a relief

[silent acorn]

Trying to find stuff to report about a mon like meloetta is not gonna be easy because it's from the Gen that tried to not make any mon lewdable that way

[thorny ferry]

make it 31 (#justiceforbrux)

[silent acorn]

After 4 they became a bit self conscious

[hollow quest]

i don't care about your rainbow fish

[silent acorn]

Then in 7 they went back at it

[thorny ferry]

you will once the brux army invades the world with a bruxillion soldiers

[silent acorn]

Bruxsish do be the favorite tripping pokemon

[raw bison]

...do you think I'm like, going through the sprite list carefully examining the sprites so I can report them? I was just scrolling through hoping to see creative fusions, was disappointed that they were mostly gardevoir-but-chibi style but happy to see a few that were interesting and relieved I hadn't seen anything that would have required a mod

[hollow quest]

no, 6 was the start, need i remind you of fennekin line

[silent acorn]

I think... Uh.... They hit the brakes at delphox

[zealous flint]

Bruxish suxish

[worldly spear]

They really thought they were slick with Lopunny

[silent acorn]

Honestly with how some people report on the server I wouldn't be surprised of someone trying to find something to report about something as innocent as meloetta

[hollow quest]

but afterwards, yeah, they didn't give a shit about how they're viewed or how fans would "utilize" them

[silent acorn]

Playboy bunny, popular trope in Japan, worldwide it was a bit... More questionable, space jam had came out

[zealous flint]

Thick slime dragon

[raw bison]

I ain't got that kind of time to care about it. Meloetta is meh overall for me, so I was just looking through after the announcement to see if any of them made me more excited bout it

[worldly spear]

It sucks bc a lot of the mons I think are cute will get me weird looks

[silent acorn]

Like?

[hollow quest]

just ignore most the people

[worldly spear]

For example, I legit just think Lopunny is cute. I took it all the way to the league when I played DPP when I was like 10

[silent acorn]

I think lilligant is cute, not chibi cute, just cute

[raw bison]

I love salazzle in part because her design is very clear about what she's about. Problematic or not I love her for being an unapologetic femme fatale

[zealous flint]

i like joltik

[silent acorn]

That's fine, Lopunny has a very friendly look despite all the dirty looks people give them

[hollow quest]

lopunny IS cute though

[raw bison]

And salandit is just a lil gremlin lizard, love him

[hollow quest]

deserves headpats

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-joltik-spider-out-the-door-gif-8249704754465931908

[silent acorn]

I love her design, it's another vespiquen type that just a female is dominant species
Which I find interesting

[hollow quest]

i also liked leavanny a lot despite its strategic issues

[raw bison]

Leavanny is a cutie too, just a cute lil face

[zealous flint]

Grass bug is a punishment

[silent acorn]

The other lady of Gen5

[hollow quest]

leavanny just feels like a friend

[silent acorn]

By the way this is a floridian condor not an andinian condor

[zealous flint]

Why does this bird have a higher bst than trevenant

[silent acorn]

I always think leavanny looks delicate and that's about it.

[silent acorn]

Because she is a girl boss, and she give no damns about the rules

[raw bison]

O ur right
Mandibuzz and Salazzle make an excellent power couple, I'm going to begin construction on the ship immediately

[hollow quest]

although goodra and dragonite are the true examples of looking like friends

[silent acorn]

I actually wanted braviary originally, but I think Mandibuzz is the best of the two has more personality

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/goodra-happy-goodra-pokemon-gif-23750372

[silent acorn]

Vespiquen, Mandibuzz, Salazzle, Lilligant and Tsareena are the girlboss pokemon effectively because they are female dominant species

[hollow quest]

lilligant is female but doesn't fit the aesthetic to me. its hisui form does though

[silent acorn]

Also the closest thing to Mandibuzz is actually Honchkrow, which is different design wise

[silent acorn]

I understand that, although with fusions any design that's primarily attack based can work hisuian lilligant

Lilli do be varied based on opening her bud or not. So she is a bit versatile

I just think she has the most prim and proper design of all the lady pokemon, even more than Gardevoir, because gardevoir do be showing legs like tsareena does

[honest tartan]

Everyone always forgets about the goth gardevoir

[silent acorn]

That's because she is pretty lame honestly

what's wrong with Gothitelle in a single image

[hollow quest]

gothitelle is 75% female also, not 100%

[silent acorn]

these stats are really bad, even compared to musharna who has a lower bst

[thorny ferry]

gothitelle/gardevoir=gothitelle

[honest tartan]

"Lets remake old mons but not give it anything of what made the original mon good)
GOTHitelle could have atleast been dark/psychic type

[silent acorn]

A shame she isn't and it's a flipping marshmallow inside a goth dress

Way to waste a perfectly excellent concept and line, gothorita was fine she was still graceful, and then BAM GOT FAT AND TALL

[honest tartan]

Gothitelle is basically just watered down gardevoir with shinigami eyes

[hollow quest]

gardy remains the queen

[alpine rune]

Dark psychic is the only reason why bug type is good

[silent acorn]

I can also tell you playing a base rom of Black, that Gothitelle isn't very fun to play with, and I used musharna who is essentially low ball slow

[honest tartan]

"It can see the future" yea XATU can already do that and more

[silent acorn]

It's more appealing, has the flying type. Honestly Gothitelle is a humongous let down

this on the other hand? Man very fun and it's quite nice

It does its job very good

[honest tartan]

It's a shame it's a three stage too, that means it would only recieve help in a varient form
It's a shame its basically just a regional form of garde

[silent acorn]

It's a shame because it's supposed to be the regional garde but it's far worse

up to Gen 7 she learns nighmare and then in 8 she loses nighmare for whatever reason

[outer matrix]

Because she has very small, stubby legs?

[silent acorn]

Yawn is good since she is quite resistant to attacks

[silent acorn]

You don't think that qualifies her as giant walking marshmallow?

Her freaking arms are longer than her le- like why?!

[outer matrix]

Reading that specific part makes me want to create a convergent gothitelle that's just a stack of marshmallows (which are really it's pre-evos)

[silent acorn]

That's just what it is

Like gothorita still looked like a ballet dancer and then suddenly she becomes a marshmallow

[honest tartan]

Unova is just the value section of pokemon in terms of pokemon it made
Audino is just discount Chansey/Blissey, Gothitelle is just Discount Gardevoir, Klinklang line is just Discount Magnezone line

[outer matrix]

And basculin or whimsicott?

[late torrent]

I kinda like gothitelle

[wintry imp]

Is Meloetta gonna work in the same way Necrozma does where you have to use a move to change it's form briefly?

[hollow quest]

it's a battle form yeah

[silent acorn]

Atleast we can make cyborgs with klingklang

[haughty marsh]

How do I install infinite fusion on mobile?

[silent acorn]

#gameplay-help they can help you there

[honest tartan]

Klinklang i can accept but they will fr make hydreigon and then turn right around and make vanilluxe

[silent acorn]

I kinda turned a leaf to vanilluxe, it's not as bad when you sit and look at it a bit closer, it's a snow warning setter, has good spatk, and used a certain way you can make good stuff with it

I think it works good as a snow mon

It's not one of the worse ones. That title can stay with unova basculin

I think the archeops support has been in the heat of the Gen 6 fossil mons being added, next year nobody is gonna remember that

[neon frigate]

basculin isn't even unique in its unorignality as there are so many pokemon that are just fish

[silent acorn]

The others have more to them than just being south and north fish

[silk furnace]

Basculegion saves the design though

[silent acorn]

Since it can't be added to IF and isn't Gen 5 it's not important right now

[silk furnace]

True, I'm just saying it retroactively made me like Basculin more

[neon frigate]

so...what is special about this guy besides looking like a butterfly?

[silent acorn]

Trust me, you don't want to like unova basculin it sucks, this coming from a Gen 5 stan

[neon frigate]

i mean at least this guy is an evolution but that is it

and honestly the preevoultion is better looking to me

[silent acorn]

Actually it has natural bioluminescence that's used for nice fusions

[silk furnace]

Lumineon is just dex filler of the worst kind

[neon frigate]

i was talking about pokemon in general not that they could make good fusions

as any fusion can look good if you try hard enough

[silk furnace]

There's really not much going on with it from a design or usage perspective

[silent acorn]

If the tool makes it harder to do so then the mon itself wouldn't make good fusions

[silent acorn]

It isn't very good. But it's not the worst, luvdisc and Basculin have that dubious honor

[silk furnace]

At least they gave Luvdisc an evolution...

[proud lion]

Oh wait

[merry path]

I wish we could get a Fearow x arcanine fusion that looked good. I had high hopes but it ended up being the game generated version of them. Arcanines face with that long Fearon neck doesn't work very well 😦

[silk furnace]

Alolomola not evolving from Luvdisc was so dumb

[silent acorn]

Are you serious, Alomomola isn't related to Luvdisc, it's a very good fish on its own, it being attached to luvdisc would be a disservice to it

[neon frigate]

yeah...........

[hearty hill]

basculegion is basculin evo right

[silent acorn]

You'll have to make them yourself

[silent acorn]

Hisuian only, Unovan doesn't evolve.

[hearty hill]

oh

[silk furnace]

Yep, I love the legends Arceus evos

[merry path]

I'm not an artist, and all I said was I wish, never said u guys gotta do it

[neon frigate]

do we have any legends arceus evos in this game or no?

[silk furnace]

No and I doubt we will

[proud lion]

They are gen 8 so no

[silent acorn]

Nope, no stuff past gen 7

[silent acorn]

Hello by the way sassy toad

[neon frigate]

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/toad-mario-nintendo-dance-gif-20269901

[silent acorn]

I know it sucks, I wanted basculegion as much as the next guy

[neon frigate]

it sucks but can't really blame them.....they dont even have half of the fusions done if i had to guess

cause two fusions per pair no way in hell do they have that near done

[silent acorn]

Engine limitation that's why, it can't be done on this one

[silk furnace]

Adding new mons to the game is a bit of a nightmare. If you add one new mon to the game you basically add an extra 800 or so

[neon frigate]

that is a huge underestimate

[silent acorn]

Trevenant has the most sprite, Noivern who was the "BEST MON" only has about 1.0% of that

[silk furnace]

It's less bad now than it used to be, but it's still extremely taxing

[silk furnace]

It's 2xTotal Pokemon+2

[silent acorn]

Just kidding it has about 12%

[neon frigate]

huh just checked the dex and yeah it is about 800-1000 new pokemon

for a new one to be added in

[silent acorn]

Toad said they could add more eventually, but the engine itself limits it to the database of gen7+ stuff

[neon frigate]

so guess you are right

[silent acorn]

Hell even regional forms are a guessing game

[neon frigate]

my poor sad alcremie

[silent acorn]

There is a project called Amalgam that's far into the future that could have the future gens but it's not out yet

[gentle ferry]

Aight Meloetta is a great pick, gg.

[silent acorn]

Win win

[gentle ferry]

Sad Gastro wasn't even on the menu but ah well. Maybe next time if there is a next time.

[ember plover]

I've been wondering about Amalgam idk where to even monitor for updates on that one

[silent acorn]

I am on that gang, well get em next time

I might disagree on some stuff but I gotta keep my alliances and ideals intact

[sullen blade]

AMALGAM?! LIKE THE UNDERTALE SONG

im joking btw

[civic lily]

There's something amazing in how Meloetta won via a freakin' DICE ROLL lmao

also yay Meloetta gets in

[hot grove]

this raffle pick makes me happy

[finite reef]

Will we get to see the results of the poll now that all pokemon have been announced?

[faint arrow]

Oh how I want to fuse Doublade with Ceruledge

[vague fog]

personally would want to see gallade and ceruledge fused if we are talking gen 9 stuff. sharpness would have a lot to work with

[prime dust]

probably not

it would likely just spark another war

[alpine rune]

Have you even read the chat logs?

It's always a war around here

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/war-were-declared-futurama-we-declared-war-sit-general-gif-17112553

i have but honestly, there is no real point in seeing the results; depsite some people thinking the results were rigged

[alpine rune]

Honestly I would like to see if Bruxish at least made it to the top 30

Or any of the legendaries

The normal mons I get, but Im kinda doubting that the legendaries never made to top 20. I can believe that they reduce the amount of legendaries that got in so they just picked the top 2 legendaries (Regis and Necrozma)

[finite reef]

What would be the point of rigging the results, they added some pokemon themselves lmao

Through the bonus blitz

[prime dust]

there was some dissentment in the ranks, regulars and spriters saying the results of the community poll got rigged and they wanted to see the results

because "X mon didn't get in, so they must have rigged the results"

[sly halo]

thinking about Xurkitree

[brisk vessel]

I wonder where Rick is

Ik he was also a melo supporter

[alpine rune]

the necrozma guy?

he was just here this morning no?

[inland jewel]

from what i heard, they want to be radio silent UNTIL they have a working demo for the public

just to not get people's hopes up

[silk narwhal]

I'm here

I just woke up

[brisk vessel]

Did you hear the news

[ember plover]

well that's more hopeful than "they've stopped working on it" at least

[silk narwhal]

Brother i literally pinged you yesterday

[brisk vessel]

Oh yeah I was asleep

[silk narwhal]

I was the first to post a melo sprite to the gallery

[brisk vessel]

I'll post mine tomorrow

[brisk vessel]

Does Meloetta give Psychic or Normal type when they're the head

[celest bobcat]

#artwork message

[iron quartz]

This chat has never known peace ever since it was created (Referring to this and the old Pokemon discussion channel)

[iron quartz]

we won

https://tenor.com/view/we-won-mr-stark-spiderman-iron-man-endgame-gif-15439970

[remote ibex]

but

this channel will be erased soon?

[iron quartz]

Maybe it will be

[remote ibex]

All the history erased

[iron quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-fives-death-the-mission-the-nightmares-gif-17402131

Its Finally...Over...

[remote ibex]

https://tenor.com/9wdJ.gif

[iron quartz]

But The scars will never be lost.

It has been embedded here.

[lofty spindle]

Of course, one day they will all be here.

[brisk vessel]

I guess now I should start rooting for Golisopod and Archeops

Lurantis and Diancie are pretty up there too though for my picks

[wintry imp]

I will dream of our lost lad forevermore

[golden acorn]

Wow. Meloetta as the final mon kinda sucks. At least for me

[hollow quest]

sounds like a you problem

[prime dust]

nah, they right, we'll just go back to not having any new pokemon ever where the last mon to get added was Stunfisk

[topaz kernel]

It's basically just more simp material

[white meadow]

congratulations to all Meloetta fans

I can see a lot of potential for her as a fusion and furry bait material

[fleet quail]

Would've been way worse if we had Primarina (no offense). Meloetta is probably going to be Miku / Vocaloids or any other music media (coming from the maker of Uta Meloetta) and the occasional unique concept that's not what I listed

[white meadow]

the lesser of two evils

[violet pawn]

meloetta is nowhere near furry bait

[white meadow]

simp bait then?

bait is when female

[violet pawn]

so true!!1!

rule 2 might apply here

[fleet quail]

Yeah I didn't wake up to see that, so imma go back to bed

[vagrant rune]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[red plaza]

If you’re attracted to Pokémon I think that’s a you problem

[lethal reef]

One day we'll get golisopod! It would be cool if we could get a couple new lines each year, give us all a chance to keep up

[silent acorn]

Like I get the logic, but if someone is attracted to pokemon instead of finding them cute then...thats a people problem

Do I have to remind everyone of the cursed fact Lucario who is basically dog, has the most forbidden material out of all of them?

Simply because it's kinda tall, stands on two legs and has a mouth, despite the fact it has a protruding spike in its chest?

[white meadow]

isn't lucario like a dwarf

3'11"/1.2m 🔥

ik pokemon sizes make no sense but it's still funny

[silent acorn]

Yes what about it?

[white meadow]

idk but that doesn't seem kinda tall

[red plaza]

So are mobians and unfortunately that doesn’t stop people

[silent acorn]

I didn't find the right gif give Me a sec

Most people have short people complex

[stuck cave]

Meloetta! Cute

We stan a mythic girlie

[silent acorn]

The most normal logical person to show up on the server today

Humanoid pokemon don't equal lewd pokemon, they can equal cute

[stuck cave]

Its cause I'm 💅

[white meadow]

Still don't understand why people find pokemon lewd

[silent acorn]

Well that's the most neutral way to see it, it's cute, not much else

[silent acorn]

Because since they have a creature they caught, that looks human, it's in the human egg group they think they can go that extra mile for "bonding"

And because of that one book in Gen 4 about marrying pokemon

[stuck cave]

I said this in Reddit and imma say it here, GF made a monster man in a speedo that has in-game women fawning over it

[white meadow]

People are weird

[red plaza]

They equal silly too

[silent acorn]

They sure are. We are 7 billion after all, freaks are bound to be abundant

[red plaza]

Meloetta is not “lewd” for being feminine it is a genderless song creature that’s not lewd that’s SILLY

[white meadow]

Ain't most the feminine pokemon genderless?

[red plaza]

Going to get my hands on one and name them grilled cheese

[silent acorn]

Still my favorite episode of the pokemon journeys anime is the one with two bipedal pokemon one upping the other, I never seen Lucario be so goofy before

[red plaza]

Some “feminine” Pokémon literally have a higher male ratio too (primarina the goofy)

[stuck cave]

The lewdest part is the asymmetrical black dress??? God forbid a woman show leg

Gothitelle would be considered lewd too I guess if her dress had a cutaway to show she's tube all the way up

[red plaza]

Never forget what the internet did to poor hatterene

[white meadow]

I would actually enjoy primarina in the game
To merge with palkia for that cosmic look

[red plaza]

I am a primarina super fan

[white meadow]

The first ever pokemon I picked in a pokemon game

[silent acorn]

Oh that was fake news actually, hatterene is a little gremlin inside she cute tho, but every moron thinks curvy equals "Melons"

[white meadow]

Pokemon moon was my first ever pokemon game and then I just bought others after that

[red plaza]

HATTERENE IS LIKE. The tiny ever . But people see murder and like curvy shapes and demand to be stepped on

[red plaza]

Sun was my first game!! :3

[stuck cave]

Hatterene is like, all dress ain't it

[white meadow]

I remember when primarina carried me through that hard asl lusamine fight

[clever vigil]

All hair

[red plaza]

Yeah pretty much it’s like 80 percent hair and 20 percent little creature

[stuck cave]

Hairdresser

[red plaza]

I just never understood the appeal of like. Being attracted to pokemon ? You’re telling me people do WHAT to lopunny

[white meadow]

You would never find them saying they'd do it to a pig, a horse, a dolphin or anything irl

[red plaza]

This is coming from a furry by the way guys. If I as a furry can exist without being romantically attracted to anthropomorphic Pokémon then so can you

[red plaza]

Oh god rapidash no

[hollow quest]

no most the people like this are surprisingly chill and normal otherwise/irl

[white meadow]

Don't tell me they're attracted to rapidash?

[hollow quest]

that's why i don't immediately judge people for fictional likings

[red plaza]

I love judging people

[hollow quest]

that's a problem, you should stick to twitter

[stuck cave]

I mean, you have stuff like Tsareena existing

[hollow quest]

they'd take better care of you there

[stuck cave]

High heel boot lady plant

[red plaza]

But I don’t usually judge people for liking anthropomorphic Pokémon because there’s way worse going on (people being attracted to feral Pokémon that literally cannot consent)

[red plaza]

Elon musk is my mortal enemy no thank you

[obtuse silo]

What do you think will be the next time some new mons get added?

[chilly stirrup]

people who sexualize Vaporeon-

[stuck cave]

Also, anything can be attractive if you put it on an attractive body

[red plaza]

I hope anyone who sexualizes feral eeveelutions explodes

[hollow quest]

we don't know, some people have mentioned a christmas event but that's just a rumor at this point

[red plaza]

Twelve seconds

[hollow quest]

anthro eeveelutions are some of the most common arts, and at that point i won't judge you

[obtuse silo]

Was there like s pattern based on last year?

[white meadow]

soo

[silent acorn]

It's a bit steamy here, is there vapor somewhere?

[white meadow]

are you guys ever gonna talk about something else?

[hollow quest]

vaporeon is melted in the corner if that's what you mean

[red plaza]

I put vaporeon in the humidifier

[silent acorn]

No because something else is boring

[hollow quest]

anyway yes, meloetta

cute little goober, lots of music potential, i like this pick yes

[obtuse jay]

music <3

[silent acorn]

I approve of this pick, best last pick, no contest no cap

[hollow quest]

[red plaza]

Meloetta is so silly I wish music was real

[stuck cave]

Sheet music thick cut noodle hair my beloved

[white meadow]

how does the hair even work

[red plaza]

Perfect Pokémon to feed a little salami

[hollow quest]

don't make me send early 80s microtonal music

[white meadow]

is it like one single strand of hair or just a very solid haircut

[silent acorn]

She is constantly thinking music so it manifested as hair

[stuck cave]

She's a musician, she probably has a stylist