pif-hoenn-discussion

[tidal ridge]

Ah okay

[prime dust]

i assume the spriter poll mon reveal will prob be this weekend

the winner's raffle won't be until after they finish all the contests for new mons

[final spire]

Nuzleaf is great for pikmin fusions

Oh my god I need him

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-26440733

[autumn radish]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[subtle cypress]

halloween

in six hours

[bitter comet]

13 hours for me

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-24017255

[clever atlas]

copium inhaling noises

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[white meadow]

Thinking about it
We probably see the spriter poll result on saturday

[silent acorn]

Next go won't be impossible

[inland jewel]

Raffle most likely this week, when Necrozma and Trev contests end then they can pull and reveal that which will be the week after

[prime dust]

but wouldn't there be another contest for the spriter poll reveal?

most likely as Zero stated, and I have said as well; we'll probably get the spriter poll reveal this weekend, with the raffle likely being in the 11th at the earliest

[clever atlas]

Even if that's the case, the hopium is strong with me

[inland jewel]

The winners raffle is specifically for mons revealed in the community polls though

Blitz week was the spriter poll and didn’t count toward the raffle

[prime dust]

so the mon that gets revealed from the spriter poll won't have a contest of its own?

also there were contests for some of the extras that weren't blitz...so that makes less sense

[tame flax]

There's a psychological thing I'm curious about

I wonder if people didn't vote for some mons they wanted because they assumed they were popular enough already and would more than likely get in anyways, so instead focused on their more niche picks

[stiff ember]

So is that all the new pokemon?

I feel like this has been going on for like half the year

[ivory rune]

Its been like two months lol

[cedar shuttle]

Seeing that Necrozma is being added is solgaleo and lunala going to be joining soonish?

[loud sorrel]

we can only hope

[prime dust]

we have 2 more reveals for now

any future additions will likely come next year, or as Hypnotoad is able to add them

[lofty spindle]

Maybe one for christmas?

[prime dust]

no guarantees, unless the person who wins the raffle picks em...doubtful

[hushed mantle]

How many new pokemon are there in total so far? (Counting both bonus and comunnity picks)

[fair jewel]

39 (+1 with Ultra Necrozma, +3 with the Oricorio forms)

[worn loom]

i can't believe that spheal didn't get voted in

that is so sad

[heavy bison]

It's cause people think Dewgong is enough

[sharp nebula]

im very glad it didnt personally

[hallow talon]

Mechanically they fill near identical roles

If I could just vote spheal, maybe
But paying a 2 Mon tax for the orb is too much

[hushed mantle]

And yet people want seviper despite being another arbok

[heavy bison]

Nostalgia maybe

[hallow talon]

Seviper has a good cost/value ratio

It would come with zangoose, who is cool, and it itself is also cool

Mechanically not valuable, but like, worth

Like how garbodor mechanically adds nothing because of muk, but thematically it carries it's weight

[restive arrow]

Also on seviper's case, it provides more coverage and interesting movesets than Arbok

[hallow talon]

Is its movepool actually that much better?

[restive arrow]

Grass, Fire, Dark, some Electric coverage i think
But it also functions better as a special attacking partner for snake fusions

[hushed mantle]

Those are two different things imo. One is garbage (in a good way) and the other one is just goop

[coral solar]

A friend told me that Pecha berries look like butts and now I can't unsee it

[mystic rivet]

That's just peaches in general.

[coral solar]

I mean, true

[hallow talon]

As stated, mechanically Garbodor is very similar to Muk and doesn't add much. But thematically Garbodor adds a lot of fusion concept space that Muk doesn't cover

[mystic rivet]

There's so many Pokemon, I definitely think aesthetic played a way bigger role in people's votes than any niche or competitive reasons.

[clever atlas]

I voted 0 for toxapex mainly from competitive

[hallow talon]

My votes actually were pretty mechanically driven, for the most part. Mainly focused on mons that had something unique to them compared to existing content, and specifically made sense to see during a normal playthrough of the before-the-E4 (aka I gave all legendaries a 0 )

[mystic rivet]

I never even got around to actually voting.

[coral solar]

Most Gen 5 mons are mechanically just reskins/reflavors of Gen 1 mons. Gigalith/Golem, Conkeldurr/Machamp, Garbodor/Muk, etc.

Doesn't mean I don't want to see every single Gen5 mon added to this game eventually

[hallow talon]

Oricorio was one of my main votes because I was hoping that Rev Dance would work like it does in SV where it just uses whatever primary type the Mon is, making it really really good for fusions

[mystic rivet]

Gigalith is pure rock though so at least a bit different.

[hallow talon]

Gigalith benefits from being pure rock tbf

[coral solar]

Also Gigalith looks way fukin cooler

[native nebula]

I seedot

[mystic rivet]

Had one on my main team in Black I think? Solid defense.

[coral solar]

(now if only they gave it a usable Special Attack to capitalize on the gimmick of being the only rock type to learn Solar Beam)

I know that seems like a weird thing to fixate on, but it's not my fault the Dex entries make a point of mentioning how it's able to store solar energy in its crystals and fire beams of light, meanwhile it has 45 SpA

[native nebula]

I thought we did not get the spriters vote yet?

[mystic rivet]

There were loads of other extras besides the yet to be decided spriter's vote

Also looking at that chart, I didn't realize how few actual lines we got from the community poll. 7 lines, and 2 legend sets.

[hallow talon]

Yeah, people voted for a legendary trio, likely without recognizing that it takes up as much space as any 3 stage line would

That's why I also prioritized 1 and 2 stage mons in my votes, to maximize variety

[clever atlas]

I usually did too
Unless i really wanted it, such as Vikavolt

[mystic rivet]

I think my top hope for the 2 remaining event picks is lurantis. I need to see pokemon in fancy pants.

[clever atlas]

Dogg

[mystic rivet]

Eh, we have enough dogs imo. And bugs have historically had amazing fusions.

Even though it's technically a grass type, but still.

[hallow talon]

The bug type has a generally loud and dedicated fanbase, I say as a member of the bug type fanbase

[clever atlas]

There's no such thing as enough dogs.

[restive arrow]

Just not enough hands

[hidden relic]

Yes there is

[restive arrow]

I wanna pet ALL OF THEM but god cursed me to only have 2 HANDS

[hushed mantle]

But what about fast rock types?

[restive arrow]

Choice scarf weak armor Onix

[bitter comet]

Golisopod and Lycanroc are the two mons that I would like to see in game the most

[green yew]

Zangoose is mechanically worth it though, Toxic Boost isn't a very common ability, and it has a pretty neat moveset to go along with it.

[hallow talon]

Zangoose definitely has some value that Seviper is missing, yeah
Its movepool slaps, normal is a pretty good type to just slap on stuff without issues, and on top of it all it's design is good too

[sterile verge]

Well give me a quick claw and call me Mewtwo, that's a great idea!

[empty pendant]

I want Ribombee and/or Lurantis, myself.

[mystic rivet]

Beedrill + ribombee = Beebee

[exotic dune]

Hola alguien me puede pasar el link de Pokémon infinito para android

Por fabor

[stone cliff]

#downloads #español

[cinder oasis]

I want Drampa, Torkoal or Abomasnow

[fallen loom]

Ultra Necrozma is a bonus

[mystic rivet]

Well yeah but they were announced together and you can't really have ultra without base necrozma.

[tranquil path]

unless you only played base s/m

[hollow creek]

When do you think we're getting the spriters choice mon

[mystic rivet]

Anywhere from right now to the end of time

[tranquil path]

friday at the earliest my prediction

[prime dust]

this weekend is the most likely for the spriter poll mon
winner's raffle will likely be on the 11th

unless they decide to do both at the same time

[loud sorrel]

hopefully they do both
the update might come out sooner
or not idk how game development works lol

[prime dust]

as of now the dev wants to try and get it out before the end of the year

[zealous flint]

Guys, the spriter poll mon has been revealed

[hushed mantle]

The video doesn’t load but i swear if it’s that one smurf cat

[sharp nebula]

it totally isnt youre good

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-staring-cat-gif-20275090

[dull panther]

Have any of the Pokémon announced been added? Or will they all be added in a later update

[sharp nebula]

the latter

[dull panther]

Ah k

[inland jewel]

at best, sometimes in november december

[stone cliff]

I don't understand the Smurf cat meme

[sand mica]

Me either.

[white meadow]

I guess imcomprehensible = funny now

[zealous flint]

Cat = funny

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fly-fly-cat-gif-23967129

[honest tartan]

updated list of the number of used pokemon types in PIF ||after ⬛ ◾ ⬛ reveal||
ice (20). fighting (22). dark, fairy (25). electric (28).
ghost (33). steel (34). dragon, bug (36). rock, fire (38). ground (44).
psychic, poison (47). grass (48).
normal (57). flying (60). water (69).
Dragon ties with bug! Psychic ties with Poison!
Still have the funny number on water types!!!!!!!!!!

[weak trellis]

I think someone pointed it out earlier but poison specifically also gets huge boost from being the most common type in gen 1

[loud sorrel]

wow i guess ice types are not very popular
and strangely enough fighting seems to have a relatively low number of mons
crabrwaler and crabominable could give a small boost to both but i dont think anyone wants those pokemon

[stone cliff]

I like crabrawler, I just wish it didn't turn into crabominable

Or rather, I wish Crabominable was a better designed Mon because I like the inspiration

[loud sorrel]

yeah
crabrawler seems like an alright pokemon
but then crabominable and its dumb design ruins it
and theyre a package deal so you cant just have crabrawler by itself
maybe they just shouldnt have gone in that direction with crabrawler and just done more punching stuff

[stone cliff]

Kinda wish it turned into a mantis shrimp or something lol

[fleet quail]

Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist should be released tomorrow; best Halloween ever.

That's just me though

[loud sorrel]

knowing the devs thats a legitimate possiblity lol

[drowsy drift]

I'm almost certain this is going to happen

[fleet quail]

Well that and I've had a cute Clefairy/Pumpkaboo fusion just gathering dust in my fusion folder on my laptop that I swear was uploaded here.

[loud sorrel]

itd have to all line up though
itd have to be the winner of one of the two votes that are still not revealed yet
and ready by halloween tomorrow

[alpine rune]

Me:

[loud sorrel]

im not sure what time zone the devs live in
for me its like 6:45pm, still the 30th

[ebon glacier]

frogman's timezone is EST

[loud sorrel]

im sure we'll get something real soon

[ebon glacier]

meloetta

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-guzzlord-ultra-beast-gif-9339669787675322392

[lean hedge]

Technically wolfs and lucario is the only wolf i mean they are called lycanrock

I also want him in the game i have a great fusion for him

[steady mountain]

That’s all the newbies, right?

I have not been paying attention

[stone cliff]

Two lines left, one from the Contest Winner Raffle and one from the Spriter Poll. Idk about the raffle, but there were no Legendary/Mythical pokemon or starters in the Spriter poll

[steady mountain]

Oh awesome

Zeraora doesn’t make it in. Massive dub.

[loud sorrel]

i feel like im the only one who actually likes zeraora lol

[stone cliff]

Honestly kinda surprised the only legends we got were the Regis/Necrozma

[steady mountain]

I’m glad we got all the regis. Just one or two would be stupid.

[stone cliff]

I feel like Zeraora is fine, but it kinda just feels like electric Lucario

[steady mountain]

They’ll be fun to find in the world, anyway.

Zeraora is just so insanely boring

[stone cliff]

I think the Regis were always gonna be grouped together

[loud sorrel]

yeah
theyre a defined set of three
no way were we only getting one of them

its be like only getting dialga without palkia and giratina

[grizzled cradle]

of all the weird gift-exclusive pokemon, magearna has to be my favorite

[stone cliff]

That being said, we did have Gigas before the rest lol

[loud sorrel]

oh yeah magearna's great
and also regigigas has a bit more leeway cause it's the main one
if we got only arceus or only giratina without dialga and palkia id kinda get it
maybe there was a constraint of some kind and only one could get in
in which case putting the main one in makes sense

[stone cliff]

Despite not liking Cresselia very much, I do kinda feel like it should get in, what with Darkrai being in

[loud sorrel]

is cresselia tied to darkrai in some way?

[stone cliff]

They're a duo. I believe they represent both sides of the moon, and dreams/nightmares

[loud sorrel]

in that case i guess its a little weird that both arent in
though, they dont seem to be super tied to each other like say groudon and kyogre are
in which case itd be fine if only one of the two got in

sorta like if either ho-oh or lugia got in
only one of them

[stone cliff]

Also Cresselia was Legendary and Darkrai was Mythical, so I don't think many people saw them as a duo

Since the vast majority of people only got Cresselia

[loud sorrel]

yeah theyre more separate honestly
i do wonder if we actually will get one more legendary or legendary set for the votes

[stone cliff]

The Spriter Poll didn't have any Legendary or Mythicals, but it may be a possibility with the Contest Raffle

[loud sorrel]

yeah i guess we'll see what we get
hopefully something good

[stone cliff]

Personally I want Ludicolo, Claydol or Clawitzer

[loud sorrel]

clawitzer would be kinda cool

im personally hoping for the leavanny and lurantis lines
but im not holding my breath

[bitter comet]

I wonder when we will receive answers for what won the spriter poll

[loud sorrel]

hopefully we get one tomorrow
but i wouldnt count on it
we gotta wait a while

[rain gust]

In the end...
No lurantis

[winter trail]

Guys do the new pokemon get added automatically or are they added in bulk when there is an update?

[merry ingot]

what more weird is that Necrozma got added in but not solgaleo and lunala, and even ultra necrozma got added, and necrozma can't even turn to ultra form without Solgaleo or Lunala

[alpine rune]

bulk, most probably the next major update

in which case we dont know when it will drop, my guesses is Christmas

[loud sorrel]

Yeah I was wondering about that too
Cause I hear necrozma and the two lines are really connected
So where is the cosmog line

[finite thistle]

Yeah, I'm pretty sad about this myself. Cosmoem and Cosmog have always been really cool to me and I would've loved the opportunity to give them actual moves because their stats ain't half bad with an Eviolite

[winter trail]

thought as much, thanks for the answer 👍

[alpine rune]

np, we are just as excited as you are.

for the mean time, feel free to discuss your opinion here

[drowsy drift]

dying waiting for the update but I know the wait is worth it

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/koopagode-gif-23027684

[fallen pagoda]

Cant wait to try out ultra slaking (lol)

[clever atlas]

Lucario's a jackal but i get your point

[iron quartz]

Gg.

[clever atlas]

There's no full on wolf mon
There's no fast rock types (except aerodactyl but aerodactyl can't learn decent rock moves by lvl up until level 73 so it doesn't really count)

[autumn swan]

Wait, how many more Pokémon are we gonna be getting?

[eager jungle]

A lot

or not

who know

[clever atlas]

At least 2

Unironically speaking

[hushed mantle]

Aren’t the winners of the contest choosing a mon too?

[clever atlas]

That's one of the two

Contest winner and Trevenant rush

OH yeah and the spriters poll

So 3

Those could be singular mons or entire lines

Based on how they were bundled up in the original poll

[fair jewel]

Contest winner and trevenant rush are pooled together

1 of each contest winner, and 1 random trevenant contributor are pooled together, and 1 is randomly chosen to pick a mon

So still at least 2

[clever atlas]

Oh yeah that's a thing i guess, true

[frank oxide]

you guys dnt banana all the time

[glacial vigil]

Ew, the regis got in?

And Necrozma?

[fair jewel]

Yep

Regis are a mixed bag.
Regirock was trash
Regice required high technical skill
Registeel was the easiest to work with

[glacial vigil]

No love for Cresselia

[fair jewel]

Tbh there's nothing new Cresselia would've added given we already have a few galaxy themed mons

[glacial vigil]

Fair, just think she should be in since Darkrai is in

[fair jewel]

Same logic with Regis then. Might as well add them in since Regigigas is in

[glacial vigil]

True

Bleh, still dunno who Necrozma got in

[fair jewel]

Necrozma requires high technical skill and conceptualization to work with... i'm too unskilled to work with it

[stable sand]

Good pokemon to make cool-looking fusions I guess

[glacial vigil]

Maybe

Well, it doesn't matter. Overall I have been happy with the pokemon that got in

[stable sand]

Honestly I'm more surprised with him being there without Solgaleo/Lunala, not that I care about Necrozma anyway

[glacial vigil]

This tbh

But 4 slots for the line is too many for most people

[stable sand]

Yeah

[glacial vigil]

Maybe Cresselia has a chance next time

[fair jewel]

It's fine. Necrozma encroaching on other Pokemon and not just Solgaleo/Lunala makes sense in the IF universe anyways

Cosmog line is also kinda... bleh, except for Solgaleo in terms of fusion material anyways

[glacial vigil]

Pretty sure moonbat is the more popular one though

[fair jewel]

Same reasoning as Creselia, we already have enough galaxy themed materials

[stable sand]

Honestly I don't even care about most missing legendaries except maybe Cresselia because I'm a gen4 fan

I prefer more random encounters tbh

[glacial vigil]

Same

I'm ready to fight the fossil nerd a 4th time now for a sail fossil

[velvet anvil]

When did they start adding pokemon back in? Last I was here it was all "we can't possibly fit even one more"

Noivern and Aurorus are in my top 10, yay

[prime dust]

september i think was when they started adding stuff, as that was when the voting poll closed

[fair jewel]

Because frog finally managed to make the dynamic fusion system

[prime dust]

the dev and staff found a way for the game to see fusions differently, this opened up the ability to add in more mons to the game

the way it is coded now, we could add in like x10 the amount of mons to the dex before we run into this issue once again

[fair jewel]

The dynamic fusion system was only ever hypothesized, but another fusion game managed to put it into practice, so frog gave it a shot

TL:DR: The new system no longer registers EVERY SINGLE FUSION as an entry in the database, but insteads generates the fusion on the spot

[prime dust]

^

[fair jewel]

So the limitation of RPGmaker's limited database was mitigated

[prime dust]

granted it will still take work to add in new mons; so they popped out a poll for us to vote on, they just finished announcing those mons...the staff also gave us a myriad of bonus additions, plus we still have a spriter poll mon/line and the winner's raffle mon/line

any additions beyond these two we will likely either see sometime next year if/when they do another poll, or as Hypnotoad wants to add them to the game and has the time to add them

this heavily includes the Gen 5, 6, and 7 starters

as they were on the voting poll, but had to be dq'ed because well...we wanted them a bit too much [each set held like 70%+ of the votes]. dev didn't want the poll to be 2 generations of starters plus 2 other mons so, boop

[sterile spoke]

I updated the type distribution list, and Fighting is now worse off than it was before. 😢

[golden acorn]

That's something. But in all honesy, fighting doesn't seem to offer much for fusions

At least it feels like it lacks some fun designs for fusions. Hawlucha offers much and bewear/stufful too. But there isn't much outside of them.

The gen 7 Pseudo legend maybe or Medicham. But that's really it. The fun/creative fighting types came with gen 8/9. So yeah, rip Fighting

[stable sand]

Eeeh, I disagree

[bleak plaza]

Arent there the 4 sword legendaries from black and white? I feel like theyre designs could offer some fun ideas

[fair jewel]

Idk... if you want a preview, Terrakion looks very similar to Tauros, and there aren't alot of notable Tauros fusions

[stable sand]

Meditite/Medicham, Scraggy/Scraffy Makuhita/Hariyama, Throh/Sawk are pretty unique in themselves imo, at the very least

[fair jewel]

Just becuz they're unique doesn't mean they make good fusion material

[bleak plaza]

Perhaps. But the three other swords offer some variety. Especially with virizion getting a new for in scarlet and violet to help inspire some more robotic fusions

[fair jewel]

Throh and Sawk are especially awful examples

[bleak plaza]

And keldeo is just a tiny horse. Who doesnt love tiny horse?

[fair jewel]

No point trying to meet the diversity quota if the ones filling the spots don't have much to offer

Granted, Medicham line does seem good

Surprised no1 mentioned Mienshao too

[stable sand]

Eeeh, I mean, there's already really good and original fusions with Gardevoir, when I would think she's not a good fusion material (except that she's a "waifu" pokemon)

[bleak plaza]

It really depends on the interest behind a pokemon. Dialaga has a great design but currently according to the daena website it has few fusions compared to other mons

[fair jewel]

It's a skill issue

[bleak plaza]

True but the point still stands

[fair jewel]

Same problem with Necrozma as well, as well as any complicated Pokemon

[prime dust]

best bets for fighting mons [either pure, or mixed]

Scraggy/Scrafty
Makuhita/Hariyama
Timburr/Gurdurr/Conkledurr
Crogunk/Toxicroak
Mienfoo/Mienshao
Jangmo-o/Hakamo-o/Kommo-o
Tepig/Pignite/Emboar
Meloetta
Chespin/Quilladin/Chesnaught

those are bring the best possibilities for fusion material

anything else either fits into a niche we kind of already have for fusion material, or might be too difficult to make fusions for

[sterile spoke]

You missed Pangoro out there. 😛

[prime dust]

points to Stufful/Bewear

[hallow talon]

The issue with Fighting is that there's only a few archetypes of fighting types in terms of mechanics, and we've covered the bases on those already, so the only thing actually getting them in is their designs

[sterile spoke]

Red pandas aren't panda bears. 😛

[sterile spoke]

Type combinations, too. 😉

That's why I'm mostly advocating for Toxicroak and Pangoro. We need post-Johto Poison-types, and just Dark-types in general. 😄

[hallow talon]

It's IF
I can just slap a Mon of the other type on a hitmonlee

[sterile spoke]

But then you have to use Hitmonlee. 😛

[hallow talon]

That's a good thing

[prime dust]

it is?

[hallow talon]

Yeah hitmonlee is cool

It's hitmontop that's the bad one
You can tell because it's from johto

[prime dust]

yeah, but for me, he just doesn't really hit the mark in what I want out of a fighting mon

[hallow talon]

Oh then you use machamp instead

There are tanky bruisers, glass cannons, and the like 3 mixed attackers who are all here iirc

[prime dust]

i've used machamp once, it worked for that run

[white meadow]

You can use the 2 firefighters we have in the game

[prime dust]

but I want different themes

most of what I mentioned brings in stuff we either don't have at all, or lack

[prime dust]

NO

[hallow talon]

As stated, the only thing validating more fighting types is their designs

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24482296

[clever atlas]

That's an offensive thing to say lol

[prime dust]

look the only reason to have hitmontop at this point is if malamar eventually gets in so we can break the fabric of the universe

[clever atlas]

And the severe lack of Fighting types

[prime dust]

nah its IF, we have a bunch of fighting types

[white meadow]

Thats why we need Gogoat
Like yeah he isnt a fighting type
But hes the and a goat

[prime dust]

just gotta fuse mons to make em fighting, only viable solution

[clever atlas]

Like the third lowest amount of mons iirc

[white meadow]

The Yeti crab would be a interesting fighting type
The face makes everythingh a Yeti version and the body is fighting

[hallow talon]

Yeah but again, look at the archetypes of fighting types
Glass cannons
Tanky bruisers
The mixed attackers

That's it

We have them all

[prime dust]

so by your logic, we should get no new mons ever because we already have everything that fits?

[white meadow]

Pretty much what he says yeah

[prime dust]

because by technicality...we do, for every type we have the options

[hallow talon]

Nah other types have a ton of unique mons to work with yeah

[stable sand]

You mean like Flying types?

[prime dust]

nah, we got plenty of those, we don't need more

[hallow talon]

And we're getting one of the major ones for Flying in Noivern, yeah

[white meadow]

Yeah like Fearow or Pidgeot

[hallow talon]

A wildly good special attacker flying type

[prime dust]

we have special attackers that are flying type though...

thanks to fusions

[white meadow]

Still dont understand why people hate on Noivern for PIF
I see it so often

[prime dust]

i enjoy the possibilities he brings

[white meadow]

Same I love having Noivern in PIF he is in my top 3 fav mons

[prime dust]

the only mon I'm not thrilled with is a bonus...so I can't hate it as much, and that is Dhel

[hallow talon]

Slightly different than what I mean
A Mon that is mechanically valuable is one that allows a combination of traits not seen before in the game from a single Mon

Noivern can make things special flying types by slapping it on anything, freeing up the other slot to bring other traits, when other flying types usually need a high-special Pokemon in the other slot specifically

[white meadow]

I mean the Dhelmise fusions I saw arent that bad
I dislike Altaria line more cuz I didnt see a single fusion I really like

[prime dust]

everything else either fits into
"Yeah, I'm good with this, not my favorite choice, but hey, I'm not one to complain"
or
"Oh Yeah"

[hallow talon]

Dhelmise is an amazing Mon to add to Infinite Fusion

Steelworker is a unique ability to give anything a third STAB to work with

[white meadow]

Dragon*
Noiverns head will probably be dragon

[hallow talon]

Noivern is Flying/Dragon, is it not

[white meadow]

And bodys take most % of the stats from Atk, Def and speed

[hallow talon]

Heads pass down primary type, bodies secondary

[white meadow]

Yeah but I think they probably change it cuz the wings are on the body

[hallow talon]

Outside of specific mons that only pass down 1 type

[hallow talon]

I see no reason to do that tbh

[white meadow]

Wouldnt be a first tbh

[white meadow]

They changed Trevenants order too same on for example magnemite

[hallow talon]

Well if they do that then I'll be saddened I guess

Because that would be an awesome Hurricane user if it was able to keep STAB on that Special

[sharp nebula]

been a while

[golden acorn]

Yeah. Fighting really offers very little unique gameplay wise.

Medicham offers Huge Power, which is mega nice. Mienshao offers a strong offensive stat spread. I can maybe see Toxicroak too. But tbh the Yeti crab would actually be interesting too.

Like it offers a potential creepy design, hammer aesthetic and it offers different things compared to the other crab mon

Also Ice Hammer would be really nice to have ngl

[sharp nebula]

meloetta

[prime dust]

I didn't include Medicham since we have a means of Huge Power already...plus I just don't like how it looks

not fond of the yeti crab either

[sharp nebula]

crabominable is my least favourite pokemon

[lament pulsar]

when new mons will be added in game?

[sharp nebula]

when theyre ready

[lament pulsar]

waiting for noivern😌

[dawn palm]

Happy Halloween

[sharp nebula]

i have become spooky

[lofty spindle]

How do you feel?

[viscid mica]

is it only the spriters poll left or is there another pokemon being added

[fair jewel]

??? But Medicham doesn't have Huge Power

[viscid mica]

yea

only mega medacham does

[fair jewel]

Neither does Mega Medabot
They have Pure Power

[viscid mica]

potato potata

[fair jewel]

heh

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

better tell that to this person

[viscid mica]

theyre being an ass for jokes lol, pure power and huge power are effectively the same ability

[hallow talon]

I'd love toxicroak but I also think Crobat+Fighting Mon just does it better

[golden acorn]

It's literally the same ability lol

Just a different name. But there is no other difference. Anyway I think more Huge/Pure Power users would be nice. Medicham also has a nice physical movepool for fusions. And it's design can be used for some fun fusions.

[white meadow]

2 lines is what we get

[round ether]

Do we have an estimated time for when the version with the new pokemon will be added? Can I get an estimation. Will it be like by the end of 2023, in a few weeks, 2025? I don't mean to rush the devs, I just want a general idea.

[remote ibex]

somewhere in the future

[round ether]

👍

[dense inlet]

Soon™

[white meadow]

Frogman plans this year but even if it takes longer its fine

[velvet anvil]

yoo that's amazing! I'd gotten bored with it because it was always the same handful of pokemon to sprite. Might have to get back in the saddle.

[mystic rivet]

Is anyone gonna start a new run with one of the new mon as their starter?

[tame flax]

New mon?

[mystic rivet]

As in any of the pokemon this channel is about?

[woven maple]

I think I'm going to start a classic run and actually complete the base pokedex. Never actually got around to it in my other playthroughs.

Once the new mons come out I mean.

[tame flax]

Well I play on random, so starting with a new mon is entirely a matter of chance

[mystic rivet]

You can still force it I think

[white meadow]

Probably
I would use Venipede as my starter I think
Its my fav mon and has pretty much the starter level up area

[mystic rivet]

It would be nice to get that walk through walls thing. There's a couple spots I wanted to check out. Just annoying I have to unfuse things in a new game+ for them to count.

I definitely want to fuse more myself though instead of having everything fused from the start.

[prime dust]

might as well start now, updating won't break/flag the save

[golden acorn]

Hard to say if this only refers to the 2 spriter only picks or not. They do count as bonuses too

So this might not be a confirmation for even more bonuses.

[inland jewel]

There are two bonus mon left, sprinters vote and winners raffle which is what this is probably referring too, since the only ones not bonuses are those from the community poll

[nova crater]

Hmmm I will say it's nice having necrozma, but still a part of me is sad we didn't get the other 4, it would've made sense too since in the games you could fuse them together

[autumn radish]

discord light mode

But jokes aside, i believe the bonus picks are the spriters vote and the winner raffle... Unless there's something else hidden that i don't know.

[stoic canopy]

I don’t necessarily blame you, or anyone really, for thinking the he needs the sun lion and the moon bat. But in his 1st appearance he had nothing to do with ether of them. He was an UB that had a 1% chance to show up in one area. He doesn’t need them to go ultra, he just needs something that can give off a lot of light.

[mystic rivet]

So one of those emergency "world's brightest flashlights" would work just as well

[white meadow]

i'd kill for the exploud tree...

exploud doesnt get enough credit

[nova crater]

hmmm I never thought of it like that, well I'm still curious as to how they'll implement burst form

[autumn radish]

Yeah, it's honestly surprising.
Scrappy as hidden ability, has balanced attack and special attack, and judging from his gen VIII and VII movesets, he can learn some good moves too.

[stoic canopy]

It all comes down to how it looks for me. it is just a giant screaming mouth to me and not much else.

[rotund spruce]

sry if its a dumb question but are the new pokemon just added to the game automatically or all released in the next update

[autumn radish]

I believe they're going to be released in the next update.

[rotund spruce]

thanks for the info 🙂

damnit i forgor to turn auto emoji off

[lapis gate]

Hey at least you forgetting is how i learned that's an option

[gusty shuttle]

Exploud will be one of the bonus picks. You can trust me. I actually dreamt it.

[clever atlas]

Its gonna be ||basculin|| my cousin works for cap. toad he told me ||/j||

[normal harbor]

Are the new pokemons out yet?

[sharp nebula]

20 minutes ago

[clever atlas]

No, frogman hopes the update can come out before the end of the year

[loud sorrel]

Surely they’d reveal something spooky on spooky day right

[lofty spindle]

The spooky thing is the game files dissapeared, no new update.

[prime dust]

no guarantee...they did the rush event to try and get 2 mons all the base dex sprites done

last I had heard i think it was almost 400 heads done and like 200 bodies done [across the 2 of them combined]

[celest bobcat]

Since we're getting Ultra Necrozma...

[hidden relic]

The scary thing is nothing

[celest bobcat]

Are we also going to get Kyurem Black and White? 👀

[hidden relic]

Probs not, Ultra Necrozma is a “in battle” form only

[celest bobcat]

Yeah but we know form changing works now thanks to Oricorio

[light garden]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Aegide/autogen-fusion-sprites/master/Battlers/351/351.349.png

This fusion doesn't appear to have a custom sprite! You can search for it in the #sprite-gallery to make sure.

[celest bobcat]

Meaning we might even see both Aegislash forms

[hushed mantle]

Well apparently there’s not a sprite for white kyurem (unless it’s the inverse form)

[prime dust]

i mean the base Kyurem/Reshiram looks close to White Kyurem

the left being default from the actual games and the right being the IF sprite

[prime dust]

that is out of battle form shifting though, necrozma is only in battle and has stipulations behind it

being you need a specific item equiped and you have to use a certain move

[pure flower]

The right Sprite is a freeze frame of the left animation pretty sure?

Like that's an official sprite on the right fairly sure.

[prime dust]

nopf

the left sprite is the official grabbed from serebii.net, the right is the custom sprite made for Kyurem/Reshiram found on the daena site

?tag daena

[opal trail]

https://if.daena.me/

[prime dust]

its possible the artist used an actual in game sprite of white kyurem as a reference and copied it

[pure flower]

Yes- I know that in-game White Kyurem in bw2 was capable of glowing like that

https://youtu.be/hKfhPa6OzvY?si=EiTb3qHq1xspCg9B

actually scratch that. It ALWAYS glowed like that.

[pure flower]

Like here's the comparison

[upper echo]

can't tell the difference but if it was a imitation pretty good

my brain genuinely thought it was orange tho

[pure flower]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/75e46d3e-db89-4c33-a632-fb5b8688da91/d8mmgt9-03202576-1f47-4605-b75b-5402f3c66942.gif?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzc1ZTQ2ZDNlLWRiODktNGMzMy1hNjMyLWZiNWI4Njg4ZGE5MVwvZDhtbWd0OS0wMzIwMjU3Ni0xZjQ3LTQ2MDUtYjc1Yi01NDAyZjNjNjY5NDIuZ2lmIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.vdehs-9IVSxbQnkmDz2WWkW73yunbvvGIvWCG5-qDrQ

[pure flower]

the art credit for that is completely wrong.

[upper echo]

clickbaited by the art he is not orange

[prime dust]

blame the daena site, not me

I only screenshotted what was listed there

[pure flower]

Fair.

My apologies then. But- I'm not sure who I'd contact about on that

[dense inlet]

we have sprite managers for a reason

[violet pawn]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1052360360172199977 is where you can report it

[cinder oasis]

Who would the credit go to, no one I'm assuming?

[pure flower]

gamefreak, as is the case with other base sprites for gen 5 and lower

well assuming they're the ones used in gen 4 or 5

[vague fog]

i have one issue with kyurem sprites in general: why does the ice become a greenish?

[prime dust]

no idea

I'd say ask GameFreak but they laugh at mail the fans sens them

[lean hedge]

I hope greninja and lycanroc in the next pole

[clever atlas]

I want lycanroc too (as this channel's regulars probably know)

[lean hedge]

My version of lycanrock and noivern

[clever atlas]

That's cool

[lean hedge]

Of course it would be black purple but I like black red more.

[clever atlas]

Also may need some noivern details
But as a base it's good

[red falcon]

Needs more zangoose for the new pokemon

[lean hedge]

It already has his ears and wings

[clever atlas]

I mean yeah maybe noivern colors would help convince me

[lean hedge]

Better

[lyric zenith]

These new pokemons will only join the game When all got revealed?

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pumpkaboo-zzzz-asleep-gif-14126097

[lean hedge]

Is this better

[silent acorn]

Playing a hack of black I just realized Snivy has contrary

Meaning that if snivy gets in, another contrary user gets in

[dense inlet]

I would had more hopes into lurantis or malamar

[graceful torrent]

they devs dont want to give us contrary draco meteor

[loud sorrel]

i think that might be exclusive to that hack
i checked and officially snivy only has overgrow like the other grass starters

i would love inkay and malamar to get in
not cause of contrary or anything
but itd make way for a lot of creative upside down fusions

[dense inlet]

nope

[sharp nebula]

contrary is its ha

[dense inlet]

snivy has contrary as ha for sure

[loud sorrel]

oh yeah hidden abilities
ok so the site i use to check abilities apparently doesnt show hidden abilities

[sharp nebula]

and many fangames give wild pokemon a chance to naturally have their ha

[loud sorrel]

ok that makes sense now

[slim otter]

Reminds me of being a kid and drinking juice through a crazy-straw :P

[glossy osprey]

are there any fangames that give guzzlord a chance to appear in the overworld?

[tame flax]

Yes but I can no longer suggest it

[native nebula]

We can only hope.

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/siggraph-pumpkins-pumpkin-smash-halloween-spooky-gif-23297490

That moment when you wish for Halloween spirit but all you get is silence

For real though today would be the day to do that

[sturdy frigate]

animated sprites wen
/s

[pure flower]

When Relicanth gets added

[dry nest]

merry halloween

[gilded eagle]

this is late and i mad that i'm not dark anymore i'm not a crow

[thorny ferry]

May you reconsider your bruxish placement?

[prime dust]

no

[sterile verge]

Ain't no way you place Minior so low 💀

[loud sorrel]

no way you put spritzee and aromatisse in anything other than bottom tier

[white meadow]

I can't see shit on this picture

[loud sorrel]

download it and zoom in

[stone cliff]

I'm glad everyone seems to be on the same page with Oranguru/Passimian

[loud sorrel]

theyre honestly really forgettable and not very popular
we have other monkey pokemon in game
theyre really not needed

[stone cliff]

Yeah, they're not even bad enough to be memorable lmao

[loud sorrel]

bruxish is bad but at least its memorable by how badly designed it is
the two monkeys are so unmemorable and unnotable that i cant even be bothered to say their names lol

[stone cliff]

I played Sun and I can't even remember which one was in which game

[loud sorrel]

honestly why did they even bother with them
theyre sorta just filler pokemon

[stone cliff]

Yeah, I feel like they had to pad out the dex somehow. There's only so much you can do in a Hawaii themed area lol

Hell, look at Comfey

[loud sorrel]

no idea whats going on with comfey
or why it isnt fairy/grass

[stone cliff]

"What's in Hawaii?"
"Uh, they have those flower necklace thingies, but idk if we can really do a design around that"
"Bro klefki but flowers"

[loud sorrel]

if they made it like, a pokemon that wears flower chains instead of being a literal flower chain it might be more notable i guess

[stone cliff]

Honestly, in terms of theme I feel like Oricorio is one of the better ones

[loud sorrel]

yeah it is good

i do like lurantis a lot
and pallossand

[stone cliff]

Yeah, Pallosand doesn't strike me as strictly Hawaiian though

[loud sorrel]

guess the reasoning was, "there are lots of sandy beaches in hawaii. Let's do a sand creature"
and i dont need every single pokemon introduced in a region to come directly from that region's culture and stuff

[stone cliff]

Oh yeah, definitely. It fits really well

[steep glen]

Relicanth fusions could be making any pokemon prehistoric

[loud sorrel]

or fossil like i guess
though we already have dinosaur pokemon in the game

[stone cliff]

We did also just get 2 more dinosaurs lol

[steep glen]

Ya but those are much more defined in design. I mean I'm not rooting for I just think it's in the wrong category

[loud sorrel]

meh
idk if relicanth is strictly necessary or will add a ton
itd be fine if it was in but its not super needed

i do personally want tropius
not that itd be amazing or anything but i do have a personal connection to it
used it in platinum

i feel like they could also focus on adding in pokemon that probably shouldve been in there from the start but werent for some reason
like the wurmple line, combee line, staraptor line
then again i know that adding pokemon takes time and storage and stuff so it might be ok to leave some of them out

[stone cliff]

Hopefully they'll be able to do more votes and such now that the fusion system is reworked

[loud sorrel]

what we really need is more starter sets and legendaries
those are the most requested ones
those are the coolest ones
game would really benefit from their inclusion

theyve made note of how much the community wants the starters in game
hopefully itll happen in the future

[stone cliff]

Problem with Legendaries is the majority of them would be post game

[loud sorrel]

true
and you need new events to house them
same with the starters probably

[stone cliff]

Plus a big problem is where to put them, since an XP project can only have so many maps

Especially if they start including more and more normal mons. The routes are gonna end up pretty saturated

[loud sorrel]

true
this would probably take a ton of effort, but i wonder if they could do a "remaster" of the game where they move the game to a new platform of some kind that could handle more maps and larger maps
maybe add new areas and stuff for the legendaries

[stone cliff]

I think the main issue is that Pokemon Essentials is XP only, and I don't think there's a good replacement for later versions

[loud sorrel]

also i wonder if theyll ever do a thing where they renumber the pokedex so its in national dex order
put pokemon in places where they make more sense
like the regis come after regigigas and stuff
itd probably be unnecessary and not worth the effort but idk itd be more satisfying that way

[stone cliff]

Also, with the amount of work that went into redoing the fusion system, I don't think they have plans to switch lol

[loud sorrel]

yeah lol
maybe in the distant future or something when they find a place that can handle a larger pokemon game

[stone cliff]

Infinite Fusion 2: Electric Boogaloo

[loud sorrel]

a sequel could go pretty hard lol

[slim otter]

The problem isn't the game being able to handle the fusions
It's the players having enough space on their computers to download the game

[loud sorrel]

ah that makes sense
and i was taking more about the map space
and the game being able to have a larger map with more rooms

[stone cliff]

I mean, as it is now it's a relatively small game. Even if there were custom sprites for every single fusion it wouldn't take more than 10 or so gigs.

[loud sorrel]

i have a good laptop
i can spare 10 gigs for a really good pokemon game
and i probably wont even need all 10 cause theres no chance in hell im collecting every fusion ever lol

[stone cliff]

Wow, it would actually be a lot less. If we assume an average of 7kb, 178000 sprites is about 1.2GB

(I couldn't remember the exact number of combos off the top of my head)

[loud sorrel]

even if there are more fusion sprites, itd still be a really small number

[stone cliff]

However, filesize is much less a problem than number of files. 178000 files is a lot for a PC to sift through, so you honestly need a decent CPU at a certain point

[loud sorrel]

yeah true
not sure how youd solve that other than simply having a more powerful computer

[stone cliff]

Yeah, that's where my knowledge ends lol

[prime dust]

well its also impossible to collect every fusion

you'd need to tweak the game code to get more boxes [i think someone tried this and it didn't work well]

[loud sorrel]

well
i dont mean "collect" every fusion
more so just get every fusion in the pokedex

[stone cliff]

I remember a kid on here talking about how they completed the entire dex in a week lmao

[loud sorrel]

like for the base pokemon or the fusions
if its the fusions then theres no way lol

[prime dust]

base dex in a week is doable

fusion dex isn't without some serious cheese waffling

[stone cliff]

Yeah, when I brought up the fact that it would take 6 straight days of perfect button presses to do every fusion possible they piped down lol

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/panini-tater-tot-grilled-cheese-grilled-cheese-sandwich-gif-18603926

[stone cliff]

Christ why do I want that

[loud sorrel]

i wonder if anyones actually done that
if anyones actually legitimately colleccted every single fusion in the dex
surely if someone had done that by now theyd be famous on here

[prime dust]

because america

[slim otter]

Waffles are generally just a bread-thing without the syrup

[stone cliff]

I've actually made savory waffles before, but honestly didn't prefer them to regular waffles lol

[slim otter]

This gif is more american than the stereotypical star-spangled eagle

[stone cliff]

It's really the disregard for one's own safety that does it

[slim otter]

The winds don't look that bad; it doesn't seem like a hurricane or anything
It also seems like it's in a suburb where there isn't much traffic

[stone cliff]

Iirc, the context was that a hurricane was coming in lol

[slim otter]

There are other american ways to endanger yourself

[stone cliff]

Looked it up, he was headbanging to Slayer in hurricane Matthew

[prime dust]

like said cheese waffles

[sand mica]

Confirmed: The same guy who made Guzzlord's design also finalized Bruxish's design.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/James_Turner

[agile olive]

he was a youtuber for a bit too yeah?

[final forge]

I've been inactive here for a while but I come back to see NECROZMA IS BEING ADDED
LETS GOOOOO

[faint crypt]

you know what could be cool with the regis if you fused them with certain mons you get regimelt regirode and regirust

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-pokémon-shields-down-super-meteor-650-gif-13438644593076750957

[clever atlas]

Yes, i would say so

[loud sorrel]

well
it seems that nothing was revealed on halloween
thats a shame
ah well i guess we can wait till saturday

[stone cliff]

Regice + fire, Regirock + ground, Registeel + water

[steep glen]

"The reason it hasn’t changed at all in a hundred million years is that it’s apparently already a perfect life-form"

[topaz kernel]

Are solgaleo and lunala in?

[civic lily]

Can also make it Regice + water (melted ice), Regirock + ground (rock crumbles to sand), Registeel + fire (steel melts)

It's what Insurgence did for their Delta regi trio 😂

[fair jewel]

Never

[finite reef]

Is there a rough timeframe for when the final 2 pokemon lines will be revealed?

[misty nymph]

is there an approximate date when new pokemons will go live?

[alpine rune]

No

Yes, that's a threat

[lament tundra]

No

[finite reef]

I can't believe they're delaying the (inevitable) reveal of Bruxish

[bitter comet]

Can’t wait for the raffle results

[white meadow]

First we get spriter poll tho

[midnight bane]

Marshadow there yet?

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

[midnight bane]

WHY NOTTTT

[robust geyser]

It's just not

[frank oxide]

🍞 <-- full of gluten

[sterile spoke]

I remember someone really going for it. 😄

This new update is going to be a lot more work for them. 😢

[sterile spoke]

[midnight bane]

I don’t see anything there tho

[sterile spoke]

What do you mean you don't see anything in the pins?

[midnight bane]

I do but I don’t see anything about Marshadow

[prime dust]

then that is the answer

[midnight bane]

I thought he meant in the pins it would say something why Marshadow will never be added but he didn’t mean that did he

[prime dust]

no

the pins have the list of all currently confirmed additions to the game

we are expecting 2 more reveals

the spriter poll [which from what spriters have said, did not have legendaries/mythicals on it]

and the winner's raffle

[alpine rune]

Yea unfortunately he will not be making it in. Not sure about winners raffle, I don't think they will include mythicals and legendaries similar to Spriters Vote.

I wouldn't count on it, basically

[midnight bane]

Whats spriters vote

[alpine rune]

The blitz event

[midnight bane]

I still don’t get it but it’s fine

At least machop and Chandelure creates Marshadow

[alpine rune]

Basically a form of compensation for us slaves

[midnight bane]

Lol

[white meadow]

Cuz Marshadow is Darkrai from wish

[sick wraith]

How is Ultra Necrozma gonna work

Especially when it comes to fusions

[midnight bane]

But the designs could be absolutely amazing

[sick wraith]

And how can you have Necrozma, a pokemon known fur fusions, without Solgaleo and Lunala, the pokemon Nerozma is known to fuse with

[white meadow]

Nah actually it isnt

But talking about new mons
Someone made art of my Aurorus and Amaura fusion

[midnight bane]

I love this fusion

[tiny compass]

Was necrozma the 20th pick or the spriter pick? Or is that yet to be announced...

[woven maple]

20th community pick

[tiny compass]

Nice. Didnt they say somewhere that the spriter pick would be revealed on the 31st? Or was that just trolls being trolls

[lean hedge]

I love the red version so that would be the second sprite

[white meadow]

Nah they didnt say that

[silent acorn]

Alright fellas is confirmed.

We don't get no pumpkin hair in this soup

[woven maple]

If we're assuming normal schedule, then the spriter poll pick would be revealed this weekend. I don't think it'll be the raffle winner since I haven't heard of anyone being picked from the Trevenant rush yet nor any of the contest winners saying they selected their pick. Another bonus mon is still a possibility (I still find it weird that Necrozma is in without the rest of its trio, so I'm hoping they get added too), but it seems like the right timing for the spriter votes to finish being tallied by now.

[alpine rune]

It will most probably be private to avoid controversy/outrage

The raffle winner i mean

[woven maple]

The way it was described it seems to be every contest winner (and the lucky Trevenant spriter) nominates a line and then it's randomly picked from within those, so it would be reasonable to see people saying who they nominated even if not everyone's pick is public.

[silent acorn]

Oh that yaaaaaah. Well I wouldn't mind if they did some talk with the winner before they pull the trigger... Never hurts being told what could happen ya know?

With the polls we always have the certainty that it's more of a collective screw up

[alpine rune]

Okay hold on let me rephrase, I think they are told to remain anonymous about their picks.

[white meadow]

I guess the raffle people get to decide over the next week after the announcement

[alpine rune]

This is just for safety and private zone reasons. Internet freaks are wild sometimes

[white meadow]

What I know is that the Sprite managers know the winner from spriter poll that we get at around saturday

[silent acorn]

I think they should be anonymous in general, unless it's an attention seeker that wants to be known name and all.

Like its good they get a pick, but the choice will always come with criticism, and the only way to avoid harassment is basically anonimity

[alpine rune]

True but i feel if they violated this rule, they wouldve gotten disqualified. At least that is what I wouldve done. Its like Fight Club. Rule 1, dont talk about it.

[alpine rune]

Yuh

[silent acorn]

I mean don't reveal who the raffle pick comes from, poor person even If I disagree with them deserves respect over their choice, not everyone agrees with me tho, just like how I gotten time out before silly things

[alpine rune]

Those are just my 2 cents tho, idk what theyre cooking behind the scenes so take it with lots of salt grains

[white meadow]

Nah I think the contest winners didnt even add theyr mons to the raffle yet
And even if they do who cares what they chose

[woven maple]

Ah, yeah, that is a possibility. Come to think of it, leaving the raffle as the last pokemon to be added might make some people upset when it's revealed

[silent acorn]

The salty folks on the server do yep
I wouldn't be upset over monkeys, but I know for sure there are people here who are downright triggered by it.

[woven maple]

If it was a bonus pick halfway through reveal season people wouldn't have cared as much if a mon they liked didn't get in

[alpine rune]

Funnily enough its most likely be me if lunala gets into the game

[silent acorn]

Skippo. Just kidding hope your goat can get in like that

[white meadow]

Also they need to wait until all reveals are reveald cuz it wouldnt work if they decide and weeks later the same mon gets reveald regardless

[woven maple]

Go down the list to the next poll option or have the winner pick a new line (since the community poll results have been known for a while)

[white meadow]

Yeah but as I say I guess they will let them choose after the next reveal

[prime dust]

probably have the winner pick something else, it'd be weird to just negate them winning entirely and just grab the next mon from the poll

[woven maple]

Oh speaking of, the salt when the full community poll results are revealed and we see what mon placed 21st will be glorious.

[white meadow]

Y

[silent acorn]

I know one of the winners had two mons they supported from the list and then well... Those got added lol

[silent acorn]

Actually I don't mind the simiapes as much as something as luvdisk. Luvdisk is just wasteful honestly

As I said once it's equal to burning a lottery ticket

[prime dust]

assuming they even share the poll results at all beyond frog mentioning the dq of the starters

[alpine rune]

This u?

[wooden rune]

No rockruff line 😦

[alpine rune]

this guy funny tho ngl

[wooden rune]

Necrozma is nice though

[silent acorn]

Community vote yes because they were 6 slots, anything else nope.

[alpine rune]

fair ig

[prime dust]

ah yes...6 slots is a waste for monkeys...but 9 slots for starters

[alpine rune]

I didnt vote for them tbh, I only know people are obsessed with greninja

[silent acorn]

Every gen has atleast two starters I like so... Except 6 that one only has 1 line I like

[white meadow]

Imagine the raffle would have starters

[glossy osprey]

hope the raffle has guzzlord in it

[robust geyser]

Bruxish raffle soon

[prime dust]

no

[prisma willow]

I still hold out hope for Liligant, even though I know it is in vain.

[round ether]

So does Ultra Necrozma transform in battle?

[fair jewel]

We don't know yet how Ultra Necrozma will work

[fair jewel]

No Tsareena? I'm disappointed

[iron quartz]

give me a s ec

@fair jewel

[fair jewel]

That's so lazy using the 3D model

[rough hound]

im just glad my team made it in

[iron quartz]

then do you have a SPRITE of tsareena

[fair jewel]

smh

[rough hound]

been a bit since i posted the squad (they are going to beat you to death)

[fair jewel]

... That's disgusting... did u purposely change the png to a jpeg just to make that shitpost?

[tame flax]

why tsareena?

wasnt the point of that graphic supposed to highlight some of the biggest conversations during the poll?

i love tsareena, but it damn near never got mentioned

[odd current]

people tend to think that people talk about tsareena a lot more than they do I think

just in general

[tame flax]

like memes and... that part of the fandom aside, shes a solid mon

[dim sparrow]

bruxish

[dim sparrow]

some people mention it alot

[iron quartz]

Nope
that just happened

[sterile verge]

If you use Photon Geyser while he's holding a specific item he'll become U-Necrozma during the battle

[white meadow]

I think it specifically has to be Necrozma fused with Lunala or Solgaleo, then hold a crystal and it turns the move into another move that would then alter the form

holding the ultranecrozium z, then uses ultra burst

[prime dust]

no, its just pure battle, doesn't require fusions

[sharp nebula]

this is in the main games

[white meadow]

Are we talking about main games or infinite fusion? Because in the main games, Dawn Wings Necrozma (Necrozma + Lunala) or Dusk Mane Necrozma (Necrozma + Solgaleo) holding the Ultranecrozium Z, then use Ultra Burst

[sharp nebula]

i would imagine they were asking about if

[prime dust]

we're specifically talking about IF

[white meadow]

In that case, I’m not exactly sure how it would work

[prime dust]

^

this is what they are trying for, there's an entire discussion thread on the subject

[round ether]

Thanks m8.

[lyric zephyr]

How are folks in here today?

[clever atlas]

Hoping for some rock wolves this weekend

[lofty spindle]

Do you thinki next reveal is this weekend?

[loud sorrel]

i should hope so
if we dont get something this weekend then idk
could take forever

[silk narwhal]

i think we'll get something tomorrow tbh

[lofty spindle]

Tomorrow?

[loud sorrel]

what makes you say that

[prime dust]

given their track record of reveals, plus I feel like its been long enough to figure out the spriter poll mon winner by now

but more than likely it'll be friday or saturday

[clever atlas]

I also think it'll be the standard saturday time window

[lofty spindle]

Yeah reveals have always been on the weekend so far, wouldn't that be the track record?

[white meadow]

Some infos I hear is that we get a reveal this week

[inland jewel]

reveals have always been Friday/Saturday

but yeah, as soon as polls closed for Spriter's poll weeks ago, they've known what it was, its just they needed to create a fun way to reveal it

They're finishing up necrozma's contest this week and then hve the raffle where they'll have the reveal next week

[fiery blade]

Oh, we’re still adding more Pokémon?

[fiery blade]

Team Granbull? When!?

[inland jewel]

2 more pokemon lines that we know of

I've made quite a few granbul sprites, though teh new pokemon ones aren't in Daena yet

[white meadow]

I made one Granbull

[fiery blade]

I’ve made like 5??? I dunno. Comeon! TEAM GRANBULL!! I’m almost at 100 Snubbull then I’m taking a break to do other Pokémon.

Maybe I’ll finally beat the game

Also, COME ON LUDICOLO LINE

[prisma willow]

I'm honestly pretty sad that I've seen not a single fusion sprite for Lilligant

[lofty spindle]

Lilligant is nice, but there is so much in this vote...

Like Ribombee!

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

[full ether]

I second this oddly enough

[clever atlas]

Granbull is already in the game

[fiery blade]

Bruh. I would hope so. Otherwise I’ve been making sprites for no reason

[clever atlas]

Im legit not sure how to react to that honestly

[fiery blade]

I’ll clear the confusion. The “Team” I’m referring to are groups of sprite artists working together to complete a certain Pokémon’s sprites. Not “I hope this Pokemon gets in the game” this is in jest at you because I am the founder and only member of Team Snubbull, the pre-evolution to Granbull.

[buoyant relic]

[valid ore]

just greninja

[clever atlas]

Yeah alright, thanks for the explanation

[prisma willow]

I too like Rimbobee, it has a definite place on my team if I ever do a bug type mono run. I just want Lilligant more.

[clever atlas]

Greninja is definitely one of the most overrated Pokémon imo

There, i said it

Like yes i admit it's cool but i don't think it's as godly as a lot of people think

[weak trellis]

has smash artificially boosting its numbers like lucario

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/scolipede-my-beloved-scolipede-borse-borse-my-beloved-beloved-scolipede-gif-27615976

[stone cliff]

He's also in the vein of "just an anime character" pokemon

[dry nest]

venipede line for if!!!

[stone cliff]

Boy do I have good news for you

[dry nest]

[verbal narwhal]

we have more reveals? I thought necrozma was the last lol

[mystic rivet]

Last of the community poll

[flat solar]

I'm just saying how did sharpedo beat spheal

[white meadow]

fair and square

unlike spheal

[cedar merlin]

because sharpedo actually has an interesting design that contributes something and isn't just a round ball lol

[white meadow]

"but but round ball cute ice type!!!1!1!11!!!"

[cedar merlin]

i mean dont get me wrong, i like spheal, but what does spheal, or its evolution i can't even remember the name of, really do for the game?

[prime dust]

more ice types

[white meadow]

i would rather get good ice types

[flat solar]

Jesus I was saying because it's a fan favorite you don't gotta be rude about it

[white meadow]

nah i gotta be, im the #1 spheal hater fr

[prime dust]

what good ice types, the list of what mons had ice typing in the poll was limited

[white meadow]

froslass

[cedar merlin]

i didn't really intend to be rude lol, i was just discussing. the fact that spheal didn't get in gets brought up a lot here lol

[prime dust]

we're getting that

[white meadow]

yeah so no need for more

[prime dust]

always need more

[sharp nebula]

'its ice type' is not a good reason

[white meadow]

also we got like 6 ice types now so def not needed

[cedar merlin]

tbh good ice types as a whole are hard to come by. they get the short end of the stick type advantage/disadvantage wise. fairy types kind of made them pretty useless unfortunately. they used to be "dragon killers", but fairies snatched it from em'

[white meadow]

Our beloved bug (my fav mon) is in since months

[prime dust]

??? so by that logic we don't need more of any other type because we have enough

[cedar merlin]

they need to give ice more type advantages, make em strong against water or something

[flat solar]

Ok spheal may not be an incredible design but I can think of plenty of cool fusions with walrein

[white meadow]

make ice only resisted by ice just to make it even with the lack of resistance, totally a good idea trust

[flat solar]

Why is ice nve against water it's literally the thing that freezes water

Super effective against water gives ice type a boost and knocks one of the best types in the game down a peg

[white meadow]

Cold freezes water
Ice melts in Water

[sharp nebula]

it doesnt need more help offensively its already great, its the defense that sucks

[cedar merlin]

well tbf, ice melts in water only when its above freezing temp. if you put ice into water where its cold, the water becomes ice too

[flat solar]

And honestly with the way moves are and other types are, ice type really is more like cold type, like how fire type is honestly more like hot type

[white meadow]

I mean ofc fire represent hot stuff
Magma, fire etc

[flat solar]

Well then if fire can represent magma why can't ice represent liquid nitrogen which freezes water

[white meadow]

I mean who knows if they make it

why can't electric represent solar plasma which vaporizes most things on touch

[flat solar]

Okay, fair, but I still think "cold freezes water" is a much more compelling argument than "if you put an ice cube into water it melts the ice cube"

[weak trellis]

freeze dry effect, maybe?

[mystic rivet]

heat evaporates water so fire should beat water

[weak trellis]

who gets SE damage is determined by who's attack is higher than the other's defense

[white meadow]

ah yes, dbz logic where power > everything else

[mystic rivet]

If you want to be stronger, just keep screaming

[flat solar]

I'm not talking about what can happen I'm talking about what makes more sense. Of course water beats fire because water puts out fire, everyone knows that. But it's weird to me that "water gets frozen" doesn't count while "ice cube melts if the water is hot enough" does

I just realized this is new Pokemon discussion this is not discussing new Pokemon

And I think it's my fault

[white meadow]

meh not the first time chat goes offtopic here

[hidden relic]

It’s fine don’t worry

No new reveals for a while anyways

[clever atlas]

Let's get back on topic

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/venipede-screech-venipede-uses-screech-pokemon-pokemon-venipede-gif-9123976122319904909

[white meadow]

MY BABY

[cobalt nebula]

What do you think is the most popular Pokémon that will likely be chosen for the spriter poll)

[white meadow]

One of those

[obtuse silo]

also minior

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-evil-evil-smile-gif-19275451

[normal summit]

Hope its Golisopod, wanna make a version of it that isnt weighed down by a shitty ability

[white meadow]

He waits to be released

[rare sage]

Everyones favourite Isopod

[sharp nebula]

i still think that araquanid is the better intimidating bug

[scenic tapir]

We have 2 spiders already though

[dry nest]

*3

or 1.5 if we're counting only evo lines

[silk narwhal]

Half a spider

[prime dust]

I'd be fine with either of these, but Goli a bit more

while lycanroc comes with the extra forms...I feel like that is all people are going to mainly sprite and the base one will get left out

Goli however we don't have to worry about that [plus its a good way to get some armor thematics into sprites; be it medieval or samurai]

[lofty spindle]

I mean... Lycanroc does not exactly have a base form... it kinda has a lot going on.

[inland jewel]

it just has different forms depending on what time of day you evolve him

[faint crypt]

imagine if we get gen 6 or 7 starters

[inland jewel]

maybe in 6 months from now, they have soft confirmed that they were gonna include them, since they know people want them

[faint crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dhelmise-whirlpool-dizzy-gif-13607518

im so happy he is in

im dhelmise gang forever

[hollow creek]

Elektross

[inland jewel]

Unpopular opinion, Alomomola

[faint crypt]

wait

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-refresh-crabominable-gif-25043982

[inland jewel]

Another ice and another fighting type? I'm so down for this

give us more of the fighting type plz, and we get another ice for those who want the ice type

[dawn palm]

Hi

[hollow creek]

BASED

[ruby laurel]

I feel like if Greninja was added, a lot of really cool ninja-related fusions would happen.

[weak trellis]

see also: accelgor

we've altered trade evos before but then again we've also had people argue in favor of bringing in lone parts of counterpart lines

[wraith otter]

that is so fire holy hell

[coarse karma]

I reeeally love that! :0

[silk narwhal]

It's so funny that these are each other's inverse

[sick robin]

lycanroc line is definitely one

[coarse karma]

for sure.

[sick robin]

i'd personally love to see my boy golisopod as well

[pure flower]

well. All we really know is that the people handling it aren't happy about it

[cobalt nebula]

When we learn that?

[pure flower]

in the spriter general

#spriter-general message

[stone cliff]

I wonder which Mon could actually make the staff unhappy

Could be something that's annoying to implement

[outer matrix]

The 'mon in the sprite poll may be an unpopular pick or maybe has something that is difficult to implement

[silent acorn]

Me I make the staff unhappy

[stone cliff]

Eyyy

[silent acorn]

Heyo.

I think one that could make them unhappy would be like maybe... Monkeys is the obvious, but I think maybe castform would be a bit more work to implement

[prime dust]

i can't really think of anything super difficult to impliment outside lyranroc forms

that isn't legendary anyway, but those got nixed for the spriter poll...so its probably something unpopular

[fiery blade]

7 more chimchars

[swift bramble]

I hope we get the Whismur line

[fiery blade]

ew whismur fusions

Whismur yah, whismur fusions.....

just mouths as far as the eye can see lol

[prime dust]

like that's any worse than some of the stuff we already have for fusion sprites

[sterile verge]

yo i has question

does anyone know if we'll be able to see the U-Necrozma forms during fusions along side the normal Necrozma fusion

[prime dust]

that no

[sterile verge]

because otherwise that sounds like a pain to check in game

[prime dust]

you can have necrozma/necrozma or u necrozma/u necrozma...but not u necrozma/necrozma

[sterile verge]

not what i was asking lol

[prime dust]

and that's because of how u necrozma works which is, according to the discussion [that I keep losing track of]

U Necrozma is a battle state (or how they are planning to program it)

i.e., equip necrozma with item, use specific move, becomes u necrozma

oh i see

ok i get what you mean

only if you are in double/triple battle [or 2v2/3v3 mode on], have more than 1 necrozma [either via the shedinja dupe or fusion breeding] and each necrozma is fused to a different mon

[prime dust]

please delete that, some may find it offensive

[sterile verge]

i meant when we fuse Necrozma will there be the U-Necrozma version of the fusion next to it or something for easier viewing

[prime dust]

no

[drowsy drift]

that's not funny

[prime dust]

it wasn't meant to be funny, but that picture can be seen as offensive

[sterile verge]

orb and girl actually*

[orchid vault]

aren't lycanrock forms just different evolution triggers?

[prime dust]

yes, but we don't know how they would be implimented for IF

thus why I figured that was the only outlier of difficulty for implimentation

[stone cliff]

Castform?

[prime dust]

everything else is pretty straight forward being lvl or stone usgae

[orchid vault]

We don,t have day/night evo right now, but we have modified evo requierement, doesn't seem too complicated if you change it a bit

[prime dust]

I assume the code for weather effects exists somewhere

[agile olive]

could just be dusk or dawn stone

[sterile verge]

probably the same way they did Espeon and Umbreon

[orchid vault]

the code for changing form visually in combat doesn't exist though

[prime dust]

ok that solves 2 forms

[agile olive]

it will probably be implemented for ultra nec

[drowsy drift]

it will

[outer matrix]

They probably wanted to avoid using a dusk or dawn stone evo for lycanrock

[orchid vault]

that's my guess for most complicated feature missing for some pokemon to exist as is

[drowsy drift]

based frogman

[prime dust]

so its either lycanroc forms, or castform for implimenation difficulty

[orchid vault]

wishiwashi is also a form changer

[sterile verge]

but they already implemented forms

[orchid vault]

outside of combat only for oricorio

[outer matrix]

And adding in time of day lycanrock evos would possibly mean that Espeon and Umbreon would have their evo requirements changes, maybe?

[sterile verge]

literally Necrozma and U-Necrozma for in battle
and Oricorio for outside battle

[orchid vault]

I would imagine if the code isn't too much of a spaghetified mess, adding a "is daytime" check when trying to evolve to decide which form to pick wouldn't be too complicated to implement

[sterile verge]

they do have that check probably
because of the black market

[outer matrix]

Another guess for some implementation difficulties could be that the Pokémon is Minior? For it's different color forms?

[coarse karma]

From the polls, it looked like only Rockruff and it's midday evolution was being added, midnight's sprite wasn't in the poll/didn't take up a third slot. I think it was implied people would just freely use either in the base fusions. Least that's what I assumed.

[orchid vault]

do you think we will get support for actual aegislash form switch in battle lol

[prime dust]

i've seen spaghetti mess code before...trust me, you'd be surprised

source - I play LoL

[sterile verge]

doubt, to far in

[prime dust]

yeah i feel like Aegislash we could leave as is

[orchid vault]

I'm an actual game dev, though I'm art side. I know how hard adding features after the fact if they weren't planned for can be even for stuff you'd think should be easy lol

[prime dust]

the only form change for something in game already that would be interesting is Giratina

devil noodle

[outer matrix]

The only other guess that I have for the spriter's vote Pokémon that upsetted the staff could be a "difficult to moderate sprites of" Pokémon?

[sterile verge]

hopefully we can tho

[prime dust]

so the possibilities are: something difficult to impliment, something possibly problematic in terms of sprites, and something that is wildly unpopular

the biggest problem children of sprites would likely be Tsareena, Florges and Salazzle

[sterile verge]

I imagine it can also be a "i wanted my vote in" as one
unless its a universal "godammit" by all the mods

[outer matrix]

Out of all of those, salazzle is the one that I fear if it gets in

[sterile verge]

tsareena scares me

[prime dust]

i think the "god dammit" would maybe fall under unpopular

[sterile verge]

Salazzle is at least cool design wise

[prime dust]

ah also forgot Vespiqueen in the lineup

[coral solar]

Salazzle could make some snazzy fusions, so long as spriters don't lean too heavily into the "zomg reverse harem sexy lizard kek" angle

[sterile verge]

i mean there is a diff between "I wanted Lycanroc" and "Bruxish, really guys?"

[outer matrix]

The internet made me not like salazzle even more

[prime dust]

lol

I mean they could just go "yeah here's the sprite poll winner, and also an extra bonus because you guys are weird"

[agile olive]

I heard they thought it was possibly r2 concerning. so it could be salazzle

[coral solar]

Tsareena and Salazzle are gonna get in eventually and open the floodgates anew, better to just rip that band-aid off IMO.

[prime dust]

we have Lopunny already

[sterile verge]

my thoughts exactly

[coral solar]

And? You think that will stop the spriters?

[prime dust]

band-aid has been ripped for a while

[coral solar]

Foolish man, there are multiple band-aids

Each one more terrifying than the last

[prime dust]

it will cause there were already some spriters that i think got a smack for making some lopunny fusions that were edge rule 2 breaks

[coral solar]

Inside each of us, there are two wolves. One is Batman, the other is Joker.

[proud lion]

Patrat.

[prime dust]

i think I have a few more wolves then...neither batman or joker seem like the type to play video games for as long as I have

[outer matrix]

|| The only idea that I have if tsareena gets in is fusing it with Mareanie to make a spikey boots fusion ||

[sterile verge]

Tsareena is basic flower person fusion wise

[proud lion]

||With these spiky cleats, anything is possible!||

[coral solar]

Tsareena has plenty of elements to her design that could feed fusion concepts. Royalty/Kickboxing/Tropical fruit/Big boots

[sterile verge]

literally would never make a fusion for her unless its for a contest specifically for just her and not her pre evo's

[outer matrix]

|| serving a queen, basically? ||

[coral solar]

Could see someone making a joke Tsareena fusion with a Fire mon, and the sprite is just that one girl from Scarlet/Violet with the stupidly oversized boots

[sterile verge]

sure inspiration wise yea, but realistically it'll all probably just be ||dom flower mommy||

[coral solar]

Tsareena/Roserade can and will have a whip

[coral solar]

Yes, this one

[outer matrix]

We all know that the inevitable Tsareena/Gardevoir fusion would happen if Tsareena gets in

[coral solar]

Okay to be fair, EVERY mon has an inevitable Gardevoir fusion

[sterile verge]

lmao

[outer matrix]

Even with machamp?

[coral solar]

Those madlads found a way to make Cofagrigus/Gardevoir mildly attractive

[sterile verge]

especially with machamp

[proud lion]

I wonder with every future update after this one will sneak in a few surprise mons or will it be in batches like this every 6 months/1 year or so?

[coral solar]

There is no limit to the power spriters have

[loud sorrel]

and yet gardevoir currently only has 216/420 head fusions and 363/420 body fusions
youd think she's be one of the first to be maxed out lol

[sterile verge]

yea surprisingly it was beedrill that was first

[coral solar]

Imagine my shock to discover that Volcarona, of all mons, has head fusions maxed out

[loud sorrel]

volcarona is cool

[sterile verge]

literally

best way to flex a spriter's muscles is using Volcarona head

[proud lion]

I remember the Clefable/Beedrill debate

[loud sorrel]

what debate
like who should be the first to get maxed out

[proud lion]

Yeah

[coral solar]

But yeah, my point stands.

If there is a way to make a hot cool-looking Gardevoir Body fusion with any given mon, the spriters WILL find it.

[loud sorrel]

and apparently the spriters havent cuase gardevoir isnt maxed out yet some how lol

[outer matrix]

The same thing would happen if tsareena gets in I think

[coral solar]

Some mons just don't work with Gard's body type 🤷‍♂️

[proud lion]

vs was the race

[loud sorrel]

at least i got to help fill in one of the empty slots with dialga body lol

[proud lion]

If there is a will; there is a way

[coral solar]

I admit I AM tempted to go on a sprite-request spree of all the Gard-body combos that don't exist yet, purely to see it fill out

[loud sorrel]

i might help
if i have the time of course

[coral solar]

It's mostly unevolved mons, granted. Or ugly ones, or ones that people forget exist

[loud sorrel]

meh
they dont need to be bangers or anything
just something to help fill the slots

[outer matrix]

Somebody should start with geodude first

[loud sorrel]

if we are gonna attempt it, we should wait for the next sprite pack to come out so we have a better understanding of which slots need to be filled

ok yeah im looking at the slots that currently need to be filled and some of these look hard lol

like shellder
what the hell do you do with shellder
how do you make that work lol

[outer matrix]

Make the shelder one being introverted? Hiding in it's shell

[coral solar]

I could see Gard's green head-fringe thing being redesigned into Shellder's... shell.

[pure flower]

So like a toothed shell?

Well. Kinda like one of those hair clips

Where the green middle bit opens up like sharp jaws.

[coral solar]

Possibly, but I just mean replacing the green hair-not-hair on Gard's head with Shellder's shell. Black out the interior, have protruding tongue

[pure flower]

Aa I see.

Well. The body would probably have a lot more shell attributes

[coral solar]

Dress can be easily redesigned for that.

That's a big reason why Gardevoir is such a popular Body mon, aside from the obvious 👀 reason. Its design is incredibly easy and versatile to work with.

[loud sorrel]

yeah ive noticed that
its pretty easy to use

[outer matrix]

I'm seeing the list and I think the body ones should have sprites for:

• electabuzz
• sunkurn
• mime jr.
• drifloon

[coral solar]

Such a shame that stat-wise, Gardevoir sucks as a body mon

[weak trellis]

see also: aggron and leafeon as a head mons

[loud sorrel]

yknow what
if gardevoir/electrode can work i dont see why a lot of these cant work
ike just give the mon gardevoir hair and some details and boom new fusion

[coral solar]

Electrode works as a body for one very simple reason:

[loud sorrel]

ball

[weak trellis]

ORB

[coral solar]

Ball. Ball is funny.

[weak trellis]

(realisticly speaking though, electrode is actually kinda decent for a body because of the 150 speed stat)

[inland jewel]

Kyogre/Electrode drizzle thunder strats works wonders

[coral solar]

It's like how Ditto fused with anything is just the second mon, but pink and slimy.

Except the "turn literally any mon into a ball" joke is much funnier

[loud sorrel]

ball

[coral solar]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-cat-cat-dribble-cat-ball-jumping-gif-21104303

[loud sorrel]

holy hand grenade

[zealous flint]

Crazy how froslass is the only gen 4 mon that got added so far

[loud sorrel]

really?