pif-hoenn-discussion

[hidden relic]

I think so???

I mean if not, then oops. Ignore me doing that exact thing

[autumn radish]

Oh, i didn't know that.
I apologize.

[pure flower]

one of the moderators mentioned that ultra necrozma/necrozma won't show up in game

[autumn radish]

Yeah, it could have been cool as hek.
Thought, we may have to wait in the future for the next vote.

[pure flower]

#1145538243446722680 message

[lofty spindle]

Ah for a moment I thought this meant that the Ultra Necrozma forms were deconfirmed, spooked me for a moment.

[pure flower]

Oh, no it's not deconfirmed. It's just that Ultra Necrozma looks to be battle only with what knowledge we can gather

so fusions with Necrozma can become ultra necrozma fusions in battle

[lofty spindle]

It is certainly an interesting prospect, I was considering making a Goodra/Ultra Necrozma fusion with a Budda theme.

[orchid vault]

I'd be surprised if that was going to be the case, form change in battle have been just not possible so far, though it's possible extra code could be added to make it work (so no sword/shield form for aegislash or other pokemon that change forms)

[prime dust]

given the link that Starry put in the chat, that is the route the are trying for

[pure flower]

Oh wait a moment. I just recognized you

Cassette Beasts. :>

[lofty spindle]

Hello there.

[lean hedge]

Is there a chance they add lycanroc in the game? I want to fuse my cutie

[lofty spindle]

A chance indeed, but no confirmations yet.

Personally I do find it to be the most likely result of the spriter vote.

[grand hull]

I hope they add multiple Pokémon in the spriter vote cause I want minior

[inland jewel]

Confirmed one Pokémon only

[grand hull]

Well there goes my hopes for minior

[stoic canopy]

Ohhh I like the purple

[silk narwhal]

idk, it looks so small

[hushed mantle]

Apparently registeel is the new klinklang

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[silk narwhal]

i gave him surgery

[ebon glacier]

now add sfx

or a weapon

[mental ledge]

It looks good 👍

[ebon glacier]

dam, I was expecting another reveal today

[stoic canopy]

To be fair, we got 2 yesterday it’ll be weird to get a 3rd out of the blue.

[limber niche]

The Spriters poll has been closed for over a week so that winner is theoretically going to be revealed soon

[silver wing]

thats a sick ass pokemon

[prime dust]

next week

[limber niche]

Next Saturday most likely?

[prime dust]

probably

[limber niche]

Meh that's soon enough

We should hopefully have the results from the Regi contest to hold us over until then

Not that anything comes from it but it makes for a good distraction

[coral solar]

Another day, another post asking for my favorite three space rocks to be added to the game

[sterile verge]

Lunatone/Solrock/Minior would go so hard

literally a solar system

[last pecan]

BASED

[cinder oasis]

Lunatone and solrock stink

[coral solar]

I can’t imagine replying to someone else’s comment just to shit on their opinion

[cinder oasis]

I’d rather not have them in the game, Minior would be awesome though

[frozen oyster]

Im surprised Lunatone and Solrock haven't had anything done with em. Eclipse evolution, a paradox form or anything.

[cinder oasis]

True, like maybe a regional form that evolves with the sun stones and moon stone

[coral solar]

GF didn’t even include them in the games literally titled Sun and Moon, smh

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-swoobat-gif-27580265

[fossil gull]

Waiting for the terminal montage arceus necrozma ref

[remote rapids]

Hetraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[small roost]

sorry probably asked a couple times now but did they announce a date for the next update with new pokemons?

[junior notch]

Nope

[thorny stream]

rock/ghost type solrock based on a dead star lol

[fringe pecan]

Has necrozma been added yet

[prime dust]

it has been announced, but no it hasn't been added

none of the new mons are in the game yet; the only date we have for possible release is a very soft "before the end of the year"

[fringe pecan]

Oh ok thanks

[frozen oyster]

oh that does sound cool! lots of cool cosmic stuff you could run with.

[inland jewel]

to bad peopel voted for favorite mons instad of astetics

[thorny stream]

damn straight i did i wanted my walrus

[ebon glacier]

it's missing biblically accurate eyes 👀

[inland jewel]

They could just do Unown/Necrozma

[sage lynx]

to be fair, I gave a lot of 5s, a lot of my favs were there lol

so my conscience is clear on the voting XD

[remote ibex]

minior is one pokemon

[cold comet]

Is there an updated fusion generator with said mons added?

[inland jewel]

community poll is closed, all slots are filled

[inland jewel]

most likely won't be out till the new update, where the generators can rip the sprites from the game files

[cold comet]

Okay, thanks for letting me know. Can’t wait 🙂

[grand hull]

Yeah but not many people are gonna vote for it

[harsh blade]

Would Charizard/Ultra Necrozma just become a 4 winged charizard of light?

[bleak plaza]

yes but with golden armor

[harsh blade]

That sounds dope

[jade bronze]

Just to make sure I have something straight: Swablu head and Totodile body would be Normal/Water type, and Altaria head and Totodile body would be Dragon/Water type. Is that correct?

[inland jewel]

so the one digimon

[inland jewel]

maybe, swablu might follow the bird thing where it passes flying

but altaria will def be Dragon

[coarse karma]

So is Necrozma really the last of the new mon? Wanted to double check here.

I read the announcements but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

[jade bronze]

Yeah, definitely seems to be the last one

[bleak plaza]

the spriters vote mon hasnt been added yet

or the raffle winners mon

[white meadow]

YES, YES, YES!

[hollow quest]

no way is it actually the final

[sterile verge]

Final normal poll mon, yea

[high haven]

Hot take: a lot of the fusions involving Jynx or Lopunny have really good alternate sprites but the main sprites are absolute Garbo I'm sorry

Like I get the reason why they wouldn't want "those" fusions being the main ones, but the ones that ended up being the main sprites just objectively are bad.

Take these two for an example, one is just much cleaner and unique compared to what is the main sprite.

[pure flower]

What type would Noivern be if it was the body of the fuson?

[sterile verge]

"Can't wait for Minior to get in!"

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-u-gif-2601330508527780794

Still holding out hope for the spriter poll tho

[median idol]

is necrozma in the game, but not lunala and solgaleo?

[high haven]

Yes, it's a little odd but that's the truth

[bleak plaza]

the spriter that wins the raffle might also pick it

[wintry imp]

I would like to press x to doubt

[pure flower]

What do you think most spriters are voting for

[mystic rivet]

bruxish

[pure flower]

Rn my guesses are Gigalith, Golispod... And yeah

[sterile verge]

Assuming legendaries are allowed, it's more likely for zygarde to get in now as the raffle winner than minior since forms are confirmed

[maiden flume]

Anyone know how we're gonna be getting Ultra Necrozma? That thing's gonna be insane for Fusions

[sterile verge]

As a side note forms being confirmed after the poll that included a bunch a form based mons, basically doomed them all since those of us who didn't predict forms being added in this update meant half the fusion potential for all of em.

Castform? No visual changes during weather

Minior? No breaking out of the shell

Wishiwashi? No schooling at lvl 20+

[sterile verge]

In the next big update they'll add all the reveals. The how or when is still up in the air though

[maiden flume]

Well we know most of them will probably just be slapped into routes

And we obviously know how we'll get the Kalos fossils, they'll just add another fight with the guy

[sterile verge]

Imagine that's how they do necrozma

1% chance on route 2 if it's night

According to leaks there'll be a quest line that let's you encounter him

[maiden flume]

And the Regis will likely be in caves or ruins, or just appear during questlines

[sturdy frigate]

first is a queen bee

[sterile verge]

That 1st one isn't even problematic 😭

If my man zoroark was in that pose he wouldn't have been alt'd

[pure flower]

That'd be fun. Probably postgame?

[sterile verge]

Either post-game or near the endgame

[pure flower]

Although. Wonder if they'll end up putting Necrozma in a fusion

[sterile verge]

[pure flower]

Like, what I'm imagining is whatever Pokemon they want to pair, could have a cutscene of Necrozma running up and ambushing the Pokemon, forcibly fusing

In the fight, immediately going straight to Ultra Bursting.

[sterile verge]

That'd be cool

[pure flower]

I mean. I'd assume they'd want to have it come off as intimidating, so the fusion would probably have to be pretty well done to gain a special overworld sprite

[sterile verge]

Probably something strong and cool

Like farfetch'd

[pure flower]

Well. @silk narwhal 's sprite for Scolipede/Necrozma is pretty solid. Just needs an Ultra version

Though. Do wonder if it leans too much into original territory rather than resembling either

[sterile verge]

My bets on Cresselia, literally the moon as a pokemon

And Necrozma is light hungry

[bleak plaza]

I heard a rumor that it might be a mon that will have people will break rule 2 over. Some of the event managers were not very happy about the mon at the very least.

but regardless it will be anounced soon anyhow if the pace of the previous anouncements are any indicator

[sterile verge]

Minior! Finally!

[pure flower]

where did you hear the rumor from?

[lime zodiac]

aren't most of the furbait pokemon already in the game?

[bleak plaza]

someone in the spriter general chat. there was speculation what we though the voted mon was based on what could maybe make the people reviewing the votes not like the potential new mon

[pure flower]

can you get me a message link to that inspiration?

well, to that speculation sorry

[bleak plaza]

Gothitelle and Tsareena arent in the game yet

[bleak plaza]

#spriter-general message

[pure flower]

Aa, I see

...I actually wonder can Lurantis even be considered a rule 2 bait?

I don't really think so but just thinking about it in a hopeful manner.

[sterile verge]

Might be lurantis or lycanroc

[pure flower]

"lycanroc"

[bleak plaza]

anything is possible with gardevior and lopunny

[sterile verge]

Adding 3 form mons is probably a pain

Especially when 2 look the same and 1 is furry bait

[bleak plaza]

salazzle was also an option to vote for btw

[sterile verge]

Fair

[pure flower]

I see. Personally though, I'm kind of excited at the idea of Lurantis/Groudon

making Groudon into a massive salamander with large floral scythes

Of course, also there being the whole infinite sun on solar blades things

[bleak plaza]

I voted for a couple of mons that I mentioned so I have nothing agianst them

[sterile verge]

Lurantis would go so hard
Like a female counterpart to Ninjask fusions

[bleak plaza]

It narrows down what might be the mon if the ones sorting the votes arent happy tho

[maiden flume]

Another Contrary Mon would be amazing

[bleak plaza]

like it cant be spheal. nobody hates spheal

[maiden flume]

Apparently some odd people do

[bleak plaza]

rip

[lime zodiac]

Spheal is a good boy

[maiden flume]

He roll

[lime zodiac]

rolly mons are the best

[maiden flume]

Spheal is the ultimate friend shaped Mon

[lime zodiac]

i wish walrein got a mega

[pure flower]

Oh definitely. Lurantis has several neat attributes to it. A rather good physical attack with exclusive access to solar blade.

Contrary Pokemon with Super Power/Leaf Storm.

and a rather solid design that can be leaned in several ways. Offering scythes onto fusions, and a rather unique head design. You can go cute, graceful, terrifying, etc. with it

[maiden flume]

Same, I actually got Sheer Cold sweeps with Walrein a while ago

[sterile verge]

Jigglypuff is kirby shape, and kirby is the ultimate friend

[maiden flume]

There's actually a Beetle Kirby Sprite

[lime zodiac]

if i did a fangame it would be Pokemon Smash

[maiden flume]

My favorite Copy Ability

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-bandana-dee-elfilin-victory-dance-kirby-dance-gif-25198691

[lime zodiac]

Smash characters with their worlds forced to overlap with pokemon's in places

[maiden flume]

Kirby's one of my top 3 franchises, only behind LoZ and Metroid

[lime zodiac]

so you could play mario with a pokemon team, and some wildlife from other games would be pokemon

[sterile verge]

I'd just make pokemon mystery dungeon but as a 3d mmorpg with real-time combat

[bleak plaza]

so the pokemon minecraft mod?

[maiden flume]

Doesn't let you play as them

[sterile verge]

Imagine going on quests in the dungeons with your buddies to save a digglet stuck on a cave island or something

[maiden flume]

So Poke Park but Dungeons instead of jank Minigames and MMO form

[sterile verge]

Lol basically

[maiden flume]

Being serious, I did enjoy Wonders Beyond

[swift bison]

Now we can wait for Golispod.

[lime zodiac]

Golisopod would be awesome

[alpine rune]

So were getting a total of 5 legendaries

I guess that's a win, I thought its gonna be only 4

[lime zodiac]

when they add pokemon do they reorder the pokedex or is it kind of a mess with legendaries sprinkled everywhere?

[prime dust]

they don't reorder

all the new mons have their own dex numbers already, the second pin in this channel even points out what their dex numbers are

so its a mess with stuff all over the place

[maiden flume]

It'd be awesome to get the [BIG SHOT] himself

[fierce orchid]

Golisopod would be killer

[finite reef]

Golisipod and Lycanroc

[thorny stream]

like sure spheal is ROUND and we have plenty of ROUND but also

MUSTACHE and TUSKS for the evolution

there is potential

[prime dust]

its not just round, it is also friend and ball

[thorny stream]

indeed

[bleak plaza]

Tbh if mons past gen 7 were included in the vote I would've voted for Mr. Rime

Or Galarian Weezing

Theyre such funky little guys

[prime dust]

regional varaints are excluded

since its just "here's already existing mon, but slightly to the left"

[cerulean shell]

Were those two the last pokemon being added??😫

[slate gazelle]

there’s the spriter poll and raffle left

[cerulean shell]

Bruh, where in the hell is Ursaluna and Urshifu?😩

[woven maple]

Not being added since they're from gen 8

[cerulean shell]

Aww, so there were restrictions on the Gen? I saw Urshifu on the list though

[prime dust]

uh, he was never on the list

nothing past gen 7 was on the list

[cerulean shell]

Hmmm, I promise he was but maybe I'm going crazy. It might have been ursaluna but swear I saw both variants of Urshifu, smh.

[prime dust]

ur going crazy

that was every mon we could have voted on

[loud sorrel]

do you think the cosmog line is gonna come with necrozma or no

[cerulean shell]

I stand corrected lol, still slightly disappointed but great game regardless

[loud sorrel]

we're never gonna get every pokemon
not even every pokemon up to gen 7
thats just how it is

and yknow what thats fine
like, there are some pokemon that are sorta "filler" and dont need to be in game

[prime dust]

actually we theoretically could, or get close

[loud sorrel]

itd take a ton of work on the devs part
honestly if they really wanted to get every pokemon up to gen 7 in and were willing to put in that effort i say they go for it

[prime dust]

frogman said that thanks to how they reworked fusions for the game, it can handle about another 170K or so before the same issue crops up again

[pure flower]

not really guranteed.

[loud sorrel]

thats a shame, cause apparently the cosmog line is really tied to necrozma

[pure flower]

Necrozma is probably going to be a test of the game's systems too

Since you can ultra burst Necrozma mid fight even while in a fusion.

[loud sorrel]

oh yeah
that 450 and 450_1 thing

[prime dust]

its possible but at this point to be added in the next update, it'd have to be a winner's raffle pick

[loud sorrel]

now that i think about it why didnt they do the XXX_X system when putting oricorio in
so that its forms wouldnt take up multiple slots

[pure flower]

what's really known about necrozma is that you can't fuse ultra necrozma and necromza together. Only necrozma/necrozma.

[cerulean shell]

I mean I don't expect to get all gens but I believe they should have included 8 and 9 but maybe they would have to add more mechanics to balance the game like terrestialization

[prime dust]

can't include them

[pure flower]

It'd take an absurd amount of work to add more gens to the esstienals library

They'd have to remake the game from scratch to do so, pretty certain

[prime dust]

the version of pokemon essentials they use lacks anything for gen 8 or 9...

even if frogman could find a way to update the code of the game to accept the newest version of essentials, it'd still lack gen 9 pretty much entirely

[pure flower]

Yup.

[cerulean shell]

Gen 9 super new, I see

[prime dust]

because those are all handled as variants by the normal game, where as u necrozma is a battle effect

[cerulean shell]

Not even individuals, smh

[pure flower]

But, I'm honestly not sweating it too much. Still hopeful though to see Lurantis, since so far no pokemon in the game really stands out to me design wise for a 'starter fusion' that's water/dragon

well, Lurantis is a grass type. But one of the few I love

Solar Blade is just amazing to see.~

[grave jolt]

Necrozma/Necrozma is just gonna be U Necrozma prob lmao

[prime dust]

it isn't

[pure flower]

Not really. Since Ultra Necrozma can be fused with other pokemon

[prime dust]

they've already semi confirmed that isn't the case

[grave jolt]

👀

[pure flower]

while normally fusions can't be fused again while fused.

[cerulean shell]

Unique sprite/form?

[grave jolt]

U Necro/U Necro when?

[prime dust]

not possible

[pure flower]

Correct. Necrozma/pokemon fusions will be able to change to Ultra Necrozma/Fusion

[grave jolt]

sad 😔

[pure flower]

No, Ultra Necrozma/Ultra Necrozma is possible. Not Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma though

Like, within the guidelines explained. It'd just be a self fusion for double Ultra Necrozma

[cerulean shell]

The stats must be crazy

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

there's the current ongoing discussion about necrozma & u necrozma

[pure flower]

Yes.

And they're talking about double Ultra Necrozma. Not Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma.

[prime dust]

looks its 3am for me

[maiden flume]

It was actually mentioned

[prime dust]

i'm allowed to be wrong....am tired

[pure flower]

pff

[maiden flume]

Nope, I saw it mentioned, you're right

[pure flower]

Digi, are you talking about "Ultra Necrozma" / "Necrozma" or "Ultra Necrozma" / "Ultra Necrozma"

[prime dust]

i hope some spriter is brave enough to make the u necroz/u necroz sprite just the terminal montage u necroz

[maiden flume]

The former

Well, the inverse of the former

[pure flower]

Aa, alright. Yeah, current topic here was about the self fusion, either way

...would Zoroark/Noivern basically be Nargacuga from Monster Hunter?

[prime dust]

gliscor/zoroark

i require slep, but my body is saying no

[pure flower]

I know. But that fusion art should be inverted. So that Zoroark/Glisor would have the right typing. And B, Zoroark/Noivern would have a closer body design to Nargacuga then the heavily altered Glisor/Zoroark

[prime dust]

so if the new limit is 176,000 more than the already existing 176,000 fusions...I have found the max limit

we can have 593 mons for IF

[pure flower]

Noivern has body fluff on the neck, wing arms...

oh right. We'll probably be seeing all the starter pokemon be added.

[prime dust]

any more than that and we go over the new cap

[grave jolt]

I'm noticing a big lack of edgy armor fusions for Necrozma 😔

[pure flower]

Samurott/Noivern could be interesting...

[prime dust]

granted I'm going off what Frogman said...there may be some wiggle room in there that I'm not privy to

[prime dust]

that'll be a future one to hope for

[pure flower]

Though. I'm still kinda afraid that most people doing Samurott fusions is going to just bastardize the pokemon

making it always two legged if its the body instead of leaning into its semi-quadruped nature

[prime dust]

from what i saw, people want Samurott for Samurai fusions

[pure flower]

I mean. Sure. But is there more interesting things you can do?

[prime dust]

probably...but that was the most common thing i saw

[pure flower]

I mean. Samurott/Gardevoir for example. Fan wielding Gardevoir.

or something. Idk. Samurott also has that tail design which leans heavily for fan based stuff.

[prime dust]

its better to have an idea for fusions than to have nothing and need to figure something out from scratch

[pure flower]

definitely.

[grave jolt]

Samurott is prob a good potential to lean into pre-modern Japanese culture.

[pure flower]

all samurott fusions will likely be incorperating the shell armor into the design.

[prime dust]

you could maybe also get medieval knights with samurott

[pure flower]

That is the thing I'd personally want

...Maybe I could try getting into spriting for it

[prime dust]

go for it if you want

#spriting-guidelines

[grave jolt]

yeah, I'mma have to start spriting my armored Necrozma fusions too...
Good luck with Samurott

[pure flower]

I'm too anxious and easy to self stress out. So maybe not-

[cinder oasis]

Bro is not cooking

[prime dust]

no...its worse

its baking

[daring bane]

no zeraora :(

[lone dome]

Fomantis and Lurantis dream is over

[crude cedar]

Pipe bomb in bread

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu can't win this competition 😔

[patent dagger]

[plush bough]

Still sad that no Salazzle is in 🙈

[lofty spindle]

Two more remain...

[robust geyser]

Can't wait for the trevenant rush winner to be harassed by the community because he chose Bruxish

[agile olive]

do we know around how long before we find out what's being added?

[white meadow]

How you mean it
We know all community poll mons

[agile olive]

the contest winners raffle etc.

[white meadow]

Now there are 2 lines left one raffle and one spriter pick

[lofty spindle]

Hang on re-reading the event, are only those eligible for the raffle that made a fusion where Trevenant is the head specifically?

[white meadow]

I think

I didnt read it but it would make sense ig

[lofty spindle]

I mean would it make sense?

[white meadow]

I think
Wasnt something getting a completed flag when all heads were finished

[charred grotto]

I wonder how the devs are planning to handle Necrozma's transformation? Z-Moves aren't in Infinite Fusions, and neither are Sogaleo and Lunala, so there's no way to use Light that Burns the Sky. That said, I like that we've got at least part of the only canonical fusion other than Zekrom, Reshiram, and Kyurem.

[round light]

was this the last mon?

[raw bison]

We can hope for the spriter raffles and any other extras, but alas the likelyhood of Best Leezard is slim

[civic token]

how won from this image?

[prime dust]

?

[prime dust]

no idea what that means

[plush bough]

No? The first 20 are full?

[plush bough]

Sadly I didn't had the energy to make sprites to be able to vote there 🙈🙈

[silk narwhal]

What? You didn't have to make any to vote

[prime dust]

ah nice, so we lose all those extras that were given to us

[silk narwhal]

Final sprite and concept art

[prime dust]

what Ocxin means is there are still 2 more reveals, while the community vote is done, we still have

• the spriter poll voted mon/line
• the winner's raffle mon/line

[silk narwhal]

Correct

[plush bough]

Ah okay

[plush bough]

I meant the one where we had to make a sprite of one of the 7 added where every day one was revealed

[prime dust]

you would have still been able to vote though

you just would have had a multiplier of 0

[plush bough]

But it wouldn't be counted? Oo at least that's how I understood it

[prime dust]

no it'd count

or would have at any rate, making sprites for the blitz was just to give your voted mons more power

[plush bough]

The Spriter's Choice Award poll is open!

Vote here: #spriter-choice-poll message

If you can't access the link, it's because you're not a spriter or applying for the role :p So go #1134483288703119361 if you're intending on making some sprites for the Blitz! Votes will only counted if you've posted your sprites to the Gallery, though!

See the message I replied to for more info on how the Big Bonus Blitz and the Spriter's Choice Award work! Check out the event in the event tab, too.

You have until October 20th to post your sprites to the gallery, that's one more week to get 12 sprites done!

[prime dust]

hm could have sworn that got changed but if not, my bad

[dim sparrow]

I agree, necrozma is a mess :P

it's cool on it's own but it makes no sense

[prime dust]

points to a lot of other pokemon that also make no sense

[dim sparrow]

which ones?

[prime dust]

grimer & muk - living sewage
trubbish - living garbage bag; garbodor - living pile of garbage
porygon - a computer program

[dim sparrow]

i dont mean in that way, i mean as in the body just doesnt work

[odd current]

yeah its body is kind of just a bunch of geometric shapes but it definitely makes up for it by both ultra necrozma and having a killer color palette when it's the head

[silk narwhal]

Regice:

[dense inlet]

at this point just add whatever rick wants into the game and let him cook

what a fucking legend

[dim sparrow]

When I made regice fusions I just forgot about the back thingies, but it's still alot simpler in body shape. I don't know if the lighting on necrozma is difficult, but on regice it's a bit

[round light]

will there be any more pokemon revealed?

[violet pawn]

yes, the spriter's poll choice and one pick from the raffle winner

[round light]

please Exploud🙏

[round light]

how many will be added from the spriter's poll?

[violet pawn]

one line

[round light]

EXPLOUDDD

[prime dust]

from what i heard off another spriter, the poll seemed very close between Minor (for some reason) and Rockruff/Lycanroc

[round light]

damn

no Exploud then...

[remote ibex]

https://tenor.com/c3SYzLmUyuN.gif

[mighty sandal]

Minior is pretty cute

And it is good for making custom sprites referencing characters like Lumalee

Although, to be fair, I do prefer Rockruff, in terms of cuteness

[clever atlas]

YEEEESSSS
LYCANROC STILL HAS A CHANCE!!!!!

[mighty sandal]

I'm just excited to have new mons in IF, whoever they might be

[prime dust]

why waste your vote to just get one mon in

[white meadow]

why not

[clever atlas]

I wouldn't be too upset with Minior either, but Lycanroc superior

[rocky cargo]

How long do you think it will be before we see the new mons in game

[mighty sandal]

Minior is cute, has great stats and can change forms

[rocky cargo]

I’m not expecting soon just curious what others think

[clever atlas]

Either december or january i think

[mighty sandal]

Tbh I would expect the new mons to arrive somewhere between January (at best) and March (at worst)
I don't have much experience with coding and programming, but I imagine that adding over 40 mons, their stats, their movesets, their encounter pools, etc., would take some time
But, then again, I don't know how many people are coding IF, nor how much time per day they are investing in it. Could be sooner.

[silk narwhal]

Pretty please

[rocky cargo]

Fair personally was just hoping before June but I’m keeping open mind cause I know nothing of coding either so but so stoked for it

I just completed a living dex for the current non fusion pokemon the other day

Excited to continue the hunt

[white meadow]

i mean considering that they didn't put legendaries on the spriter poll because "they didn't want to make events last second" i would guess they could be adding them soon

[mighty sandal]

They DID put legendaries, wtf? The three Regis and Necrozma are on the pinned list

[dim sparrow]

I thought it was a raffle?

[white meadow]

i mean the spriter votes, which was more recent

[dim sparrow]

I wish it was stakataka

[white meadow]

the community votes were ended like a month ago

almost 2 months

[mighty sandal]

It would be cool to have a custom fusion sprite referencing Howl's Moving Castle

[dim sparrow]

I don't know what that is, but yeah it could make for cool geometric bricky fusions with the eyes not neccesarily having to be on the head

[dense lake]

How many Pokemon are yet to be chosen?

[dim sparrow]

and the bodies can have graffiti :>

[inland jewel]

0, all community votes are done

[dense lake]

(Insert darth vader no here)

[inland jewel]

What’s left is spriter poll (done but not revealed) and winners raffle (2 contests left before pulled)

[dense lake]

mmkay

So there is still technically a chance for Yveltal, my hope is not fully lost yet.

[inland jewel]

I mean only in winners raffle since Sprite Poll had No mythical so and legends

[dense lake]

So no Yveltal?

[inland jewel]

Most likely not

[dense lake]

(Insert earrape darth vader no here)

[inland jewel]

Frogman promised before the end of the year so Nov-Dec

[dense lake]

Yveltal and Xerneas have amazing sprite potential imo... I'm bias bc I wanna see Yveltal / Darkrai

[tame flax]

I refuse to believe there's no chance of there being more bonus mons

[inland jewel]

From what I’ve seen though gen 6 has been the weakest game in terms of peoples favorites

[dense lake]

Yveltal and Xerneas are one of the best legendary pairs imo

Design wise they sweep

[rocky cargo]

I’d love to see xerneas I want a big deer that looks good

[inland jewel]

Yeah in an opinion, remember this is a popularity contest, and even though it’s 2 and 1 slot the gen 6 legends didn’t make the cut

[dense lake]

I love Xerneas, but I've always been a Yveltal person. Imagine a cute Yveltal / Eevee or a Yveltal / Darkrai. Yveltal with Giratina and Rayquaza would prolly be great too.

[rocky cargo]

I like the look of yveltal but I always perfected xernas

[inland jewel]

This is the last bonus mons from these two things, since the community poll ended on Friday

[wintry imp]

Can't wait for no Minior

[inland jewel]

Sprinters poll line and then whatever Pokémon like coming from Winners Raffle

[tame flax]

Howre you gonna act like they didnt add more bonus mons after every other time they said no more bonus mons

[dense lake]

Xerneas and Yveltal contrast each other really really well. Sucks that Kalos was pretty meh.

[inland jewel]

They gotta stop sometimes, Frogman himself said he ain’t gonna add the entire dex this time

[rocky cargo]

Honestly I’m shocked people think that I feel like it was the second best gen from gen 4-8

[inland jewel]

Gen 6 is the weakest gen after gen 2 for me

[tame flax]

I'm not saying the whole thing, but do you really think they'll stop with necrozma and regis?

[lofty spindle]

Would we get the different Lycanroc forms all together?

[white meadow]

being the gen with the least new mons introduced doesn't really help

[dense lake]

Personally I find it hard to play because the camera of Lumiose is the worst thing that my eyes have ever witnessed.

I think the main city is Lumiose anyway.

[lofty spindle]

Did he? Or you mean "this time" as in "during this phase"?

[inland jewel]

Said in this chat

450 Pokémon
Plus the 13 triples

[tame flax]

Did you know he also said no more bonus mons before the blitz?

[inland jewel]

During this phase, like there is going to be another phase to add Pokémon, since he doesn’t have time now to add more

[gray shadow]

fortn it e

[tame flax]

Until the mons are added, because this has happened before, the chances for more bonus mons still exists

[gray shadow]

ight im gonna hide this channel again ping me the next time we have a mystery afoot

[tame flax]

And due to how many times it's happened, I'd say the chances are higher than you expect them to be

[gray shadow]

thanks and bye

[inland jewel]

I’ll be glad to be wrong but I don’t want to gets peoples hopes up when the inevitable (not adding more mons) happens

Already we had people call others slurs and such because the Regis got revealed

[tame flax]

This isn't a matter of hope, idc either way, it's a matter of pattern recognition and probability

[inland jewel]

My probability is set to very low then

I’ll take the one in a million that it will happen and be glad to be proven wrong

[tame flax]

I'd say it's much higher than that

Bare minimum, 1/10

[inland jewel]

I’ll argue 1/1000

Def not 1/10

[tame flax]

Adding more after saying no more multiple times is an additive multiplier

[inland jewel]

How many times has he specifically stated no more bonus though

[tame flax]

Since the first bonus mon

[inland jewel]

I know people said no more staff pick after Orio

[tame flax]

Then there was oricorio

[inland jewel]

And blitz week wasn’t staff pick but creator’s liberty

[tame flax]

Then trubbish

And then he turned sableye from a poll pick to a bonus pick, so I'd say that counts

[inland jewel]

The Sableye was misconstrued

[tame flax]

No, he was originally a poll pick

[inland jewel]

Frogman thought it was staff pick at first but others thought it was polls

He had to clarify it himself

And Sableye was staff pick because the guy who showed Frogman how to revamp the code wanted him in

[tame flax]

Are you sure I can't paste an image that shows it changed over time?

[inland jewel]

Orio was staff pick because Kiwi has been doing sprite managing stuff for 6 years and wanted to challenge the status quo

[inland jewel]

Get your image then

[tame flax]

See that August 29th?

[inland jewel]

And see how it says it’s staff pick

It also implies that if he didn’t have 20 then Sableye would have been a poll pick

[drowsy elm]

schrodinger's pick

[tame flax]

it also says that, at the time, he counted in the 20

the 20 being exclusively poll picks

[lofty spindle]

Inbefore we actually get Missingno.

[inland jewel]

Okay but that didn’t say no more bonus mons

I said no more staff picks

[tame flax]

and at what point did i not specify bonus picks?

[inland jewel]

And after the big blitz week with only Frogmans choices

I think that’s donezo

[tame flax]

also, theres only one staff

[swift bramble]

Remember he’s a funny man, we will have 469 in the end

[drowsy elm]

True, missingno would kinda be the cat in the box using that analogy, the dead one specifically

[inland jewel]

Scolio- gen staff pick
Sableye- Kuryam
Oricorio- Kiwi

What do you mean One staff?

There is one Developer, there is not one Staff

[lofty spindle]

What if he's so funny... there will eventually be 1337?

[terse fable]

Or better yet, 80085

[lofty spindle]

Why even limit it to real numbers!? Why not add an imaginary number of Pokémon!

[restive arrow]

Ah yes lemme add in i pokemon

[silk narwhal]

Beat me to it

Pokémon: ijk = -1

[lofty spindle]

Frog never realized just how much the code had been optimized.

[inland jewel]

We know the limit is like 176K individual Pokémon

Right now the amount of slots the new code is taking slotwise 463

[restive arrow]

Individual meaning all fusion combos, or all species

[inland jewel]

Pokedex slots, since he used to one by one copy paste each fusion and set it as its own mon

Like if you went to a region and Bulbasaur/bulbasaur is a different Pokémon from just Regular bulbasaur

Now since it’s dynamically fusing Pokémon together when you fuse them they don’t take a slot

[livid geyser]

"I do not know if MissingNo. is dead or alive until I open the box."
"コメント さくせいちゅう"
"shut up"

[prime dust]

not possible as it lacks anything needed for any game

[silk narwhal]

lmao

[prime dust]

so what, rough translation we can handle about double the current dex give or take some mons

[lofty spindle]

We can handle literally ten times the current dex at this time.

The limiting factor now is the version of Pokémon Essentials the game was made on only having Pokémon up to gen 7.

[prime dust]

which would require serious reworking of the code/game/etc to update us enough to whatever the newest version is which lacks gen 9 stuff

[drowsy elm]

And also frogmans time and effort

[prime dust]

that was included in what I just said

[violet current]

i do not want gen 8 mons tbh tbh

[silk narwhal]

you're so wrong

[violet current]

the only galar mons id want would be corviknight falinks and alcremie

[prime dust]

i know some people would want the good bois...sword dog + sword dog = sif from dark souls

[proud lion]

The engine would not let them in anyways

[prime dust]

we're talking theoretically if the game could be updated

honestly I'm fine with gen 7 being the max

[restive arrow]

i can't wait for my favorite pokemon to get in
Scovbbeg, the Gen 12 evolution granted to Scovillain that gives it the Grass/Fire/Dark type, and gives it the new move "Blighting Shout", which auto KO's any pokemon with 100 health or less

[violet current]

ive seen enough zacian for my lifetime i never wanna see that thing again

[lofty spindle]

Skip right to 9 for Tinkaton.

[white meadow]

i don't want post gen 7 mechanics

nerfed aegislash 👎

[lofty spindle]

Gen 12, you mean Quasmogg?

[lofty spindle]

One of those is one-time use items returning after battle and honestly that is something I actually love.

Hm... still unsure who I will use as my starter with this team.

[white meadow]

the first one you get 👍

[white meadow]

Primepede would give yyou the most starter feel

[lofty spindle]

Well it is not my starter, I have its slot still open, to the very right.

[white meadow]

you want only new mons?

[sick wraith]

Wonder if we'll also get Solgaleo and Lunala

Kinda weird to not have the rest of the trio

[prime dust]

maybe

if not this time around, whenever they feel like adding more in

[lofty spindle]

All fusions should include a new mon, that was my theme.

If Lycanroc makes it, I think combining it with Impoleon could be cool, could make a noble werewolf.

[dawn palm]

Guess what

[terse fable]

Chicken butt

[dawn palm]

Maushold's signature can ohko a blissey

No gen 9 let's agree

[turbid valve]

Is it possible to obtain a fossil pokemon with a Hidden ability?
I am mostly asking for the upcoming pokemon Aurorus wanted to make a heail team and this is the only mon in this game with that specific ability...

[dawn palm]

Idk

Hiddens released in gen 5

So it's debatable

[turbid valve]

I mean hidden abilities are in the game it is possible to obtain blaziken with speed boost but fosil pokemon are quite a trouble

[dawn palm]

Yea but who knows?

[turbid valve]

Hopefully some kind hearted strangers that read my question

[dawn palm]

And sped boost is op

Ow?

[turbid valve]

But adding snow warning would be nice since all other weather conditions do have one ability in the game

[prime dust]

well its the wrong place to ask

[restive folio]

Is there any spots left for new pokemon?

[turbid valve]

what is the right place to ask?

[dawn palm]

If you look at the avatars and not usernames it's hilarious

I can pokemon

[turbid valve]

I mean this channel is for discussing the new pokemon to the game, and my question is about a specific pokemon added to the game

[dawn palm]

Fair point

[heady ore]

Any graphics of what was added so far?

[turbid valve]

Scrolling up in the announcements channel

[dawn palm]

Idk

[heady ore]

I know
I was just wandering if someone made a graphic for easier view

[turbid valve]

I think the spriters choice is still left open

[restive folio]

Ah I see

Really want zygarde in game

[prime dust]

the spriters choice had no legendaries in it, i think the winner's raffle does

[restive folio]

But guess we have to wait and see

[prime dust]

and no the poll for the spriters choice closed, so we're just waiting for the reveal

[turbid valve]

I hope it is the ice cone mon I really want a snow warning mon

[heady ore]

Fingers crossed for Hippopotas

[violet current]

we got one in aurorus

[turbid valve]

But am not sure if we have access to its hidden ability
At least I don't know how to access hidden abilies with fossil

[lofty spindle]

It should at least be around in randomisation...

Honestly, I wish we got that HA capsule item.

[violet current]

catch the pokemon u want to fuse with aurorus in an ability ball

[turbid valve]

and then?

[violet current]

fuse the two and u should have the option to select snow warning

at least im p sure how that works? i honestly havent had to deal with this specific of a problem before

[lofty spindle]

No you'd just get the hidden ability of the other mon.

[violet current]

would breeding down an ability ball on an amaura unlock its ha?

[zenith kiln]

I hope the next pokemon is goodra

[violet current]

goodra is already in

[zenith kiln]

ok but like

we need em again'

[silk narwhal]

we definitely don't

it's so fucking funny how these are each other's inverse

and it's even funnier when you realize i made both lmao

[white meadow]

ART

[restive arrow]

potentially cacturne/typhlosion? get a grass/fire type going

[turbid valve]

So take randomizer mode and hope you find aurorus in the wild?

[lofty spindle]

Why are you telling me this?

And sadly, when randomizer is active, you can't undo it.

[lofty spindle]

I'm gonna see who the final 2 inclusions are.
I do find Lycanroc to be very likely myself, what do you think of the combo I mentioned?

[cinder oasis]

Noivern and Aurorus

[lofty spindle]

What about them?

[cinder oasis]

Why don’t you choose Goodra and Necrozma?

[lofty spindle]

I am? They are literally part of my team?

What does this have to do with which starter I want to pick?

[cinder oasis]

Ohhh

[silk narwhal]

what other mon should i fuse with necrozma to make another "alien" fusion?

[lofty spindle]

As in the movie franchise or just... an extraterresital?

[silk narwhal]

like the sprite on the right

[lofty spindle]

I wonder what a Victreebell combination could make.

[cinder oasis]

Hydreigon

[restive arrow]

not bad!

[lofty spindle]

Thank you.

As a Steel/Rock type it would also get access to Diamond Storm.

[cinder oasis]

Well that’s an awful typing

[lofty spindle]

Eh, this isn't competitive, just a fun combination.

[cinder oasis]

You’ll still feel the terrible typing

Is this for like a normal play-through or hard mode

[lofty spindle]

A completely normal playthrough.

[gentle wasp]

I ran an aggron on a volt white 2 playthrough and it was deadweight most of the time so I gave it the rocky helmet just for extra chip

But still a cool Mon is a cool Mon

[hidden relic]

Deoxys

[turbid valve]

Frosslass could be an option

[weak trellis]

galvantula as a head?

[round ether]

Now that the new regies are being added. Do you think they might add body press as a move? I just want to make use of that killer defensive stat.

[lofty spindle]

That's gen 8, no dice.

[glossy goblet]

so since we have all the new community chosen pokemon revealed, does that mean the fusion dex will be updated?

[fallen loom]

not yet

[coarse karma]

Thats what I had initially thought. The way the announcement was written I thought Necrozma was the final. Thanks for clearing up the confusion I had.

[coarse karma]

So cute

[silk narwhal]

good idea

[wanton coral]

Wait is it not the final one?

[clever atlas]

The final community vote one
There's still the contest winner and the spriter poll

[grand hull]

If I win contest winner (I won’t) I’m stuck between diancie and minior

[clever atlas]

Yeah i wouldn't be too upset with either tbh

[grand hull]

Actually I’d pick bruxish

[sullen elbow]

I would be tempted to add something silly like turtonator or barbaracle

[silk narwhal]

i doubt you could pick diancie

[grand hull]

Id assume you could cause it’s any Pokémon from the community vote

[silk narwhal]

it's a mythical, and Toad doesn't wanna add legends or myths without a proper event

[grand hull]

He didn’t want it for the spriter vote

[silk narwhal]

and why would there be a difference

[grand hull]

And necrozma + Regis got added

[white meadow]

Think if you want Diancie we need to wait longer for the update

[grand hull]

They only said spriter vote couldn’t pick legends so I’m just gonna assume you can

[white meadow]

He had like 1 Month probably more to make events etc

[lofty spindle]

I would pick Ribombee myself, I don't want to be selfish.

[grand hull]

I wouldn’t be that mad I’d just have trouble making a body for ribombee

[white meadow]

Ngl Idk what I would ask for in the raffle

[grand hull]

Pick whatever you want (Minior)

[white meadow]

Weird way to spell Gogoat

[grand hull]

NO ANYTHING BUT GOGOAT

[white meadow]

Y no goat?

[grand hull]

Its been my least favorite since I saw it in the anime

[maiden igloo]

yall seen scavengers reign? it has a a sick ecosystem that could be cool fusions and sprites

[grand hull]

Although bruxish isn’t much better

[white meadow]

Wtf how

[grand hull]

Idk I just had a burning hate for goats as a kid

[white meadow]

What did it do that you haze him

[grand hull]

I don’t know actually other than I didn’t re watch black and white series I saw it once and that’s it so that’s probably a factor

[grand hull]

I change my mind I’d rather have gogoat than chatot

[white meadow]

It was in Black and white?

[grand hull]

Yeah I think

[white meadow]

Atleast that

But weird

I never saw someone hate Gogoat most only were Neutral or liked it

[grand hull]

Skidoo I’m neutral about it’s just gogoat looks at me funny or something

[white meadow]

That makes it weirder

[grand hull]

Gogoats just ugly ig

I’m this picture specifically

[white meadow]

Thats a bad angle true
But Bike Goat

[grand hull]

Now that you’ve mentioned bikes I really like koriadon and miriadin or however you spell it

[white meadow]

Kinda sad cuz everyone think koraidon and Miraidon were the first bike mons ever

[weak trellis]

yea before that you had gogoat and possibly houndoom if you stretch the definition a bit

[grand hull]

I guess it’s kinda like how although black and white legends were the first fusion mons I see necrozma as the first fusion Mon

[white meadow]

Nah actually Gogoat line is pretty clearly a Bike

[white meadow]

How
Like even the fusion item is from black and white

[grand hull]

Just because technically the black and white legends were originally one Pokémon but split up so when you fuse them you’re just putting them back together

[white meadow]

True ig
I mean Necrozma is only whole with the other legends

[grand hull]

Yeah

[crisp salmon]

Anything over the pizza donuts i just got
🫳
🦀

[short raft]

do we know if ultra necrozma will be forced to take the z-crystal + photon geyser?

[lofty spindle]

Forced howso?

[short raft]

as in, without z-crystal and photon geyser will it be able to transform into ultra necrozma

as its a forme, correct? so it can change in battle if its a fused mon by using light that burns the sky? or is the forme change permanent/different method?

[stoic canopy]

I don’t think we have any idea so far. All we know is that you’ll be able to change into ultra in battle. How that’s going to happen we don’t know.

[short raft]

cool thanks

[sand mica]

Gogoat is one of my liked Pokémon from generation VI.

[stoic canopy]

Hot take…apparently, gogoat doesn’t even get on my top 20 of grass Pokémon.

[white meadow]

What is your top 20?

[stoic canopy]

Most of the starters, leafeon, lurantis line, roserade line, the ghost plants, Lillgant both of them. Gogoat just feels more like a chia pet even though we already have a chia pet Pokémon.

To balance out the scales a bit. I feel like I’m the only one who likes Shiftry. Like the kabuki dancer look.

[silent acorn]

Hey guys currently entertaining myself with a moemon hack because why not, so I am currently using 3 mons already in the game and one that is not which is skorupi, so what I wanted to decide on was to try mons I haven't tried before to get a bit of a feel for them for later votes. So I am currently using skorupi and needing to decide 2 others for my team, so I am currently debating between a grass type and a random type thats special, give me some ideas to try

[prime dust]

#other-pokemon-games

[silent acorn]

So for plants I have options not in infinite fusion as like Carnivine, Skiddo (excluding sawsbuck because I am using a normal type already), tropius and maybe another grass type I am forgetting
This is kinda related to new mons, since I am trying to use stuff I don't usually use

Trying to get people to get me out of my comfort zone, so I can have a different view on some less popular mons of the poll

[coral solar]

I'm just waiting for the next contest so I can pitch for Vanilluxe and the Gen5 starters to finally make it in

[prime dust]

i have a feeling for the starters there won't be a contest or anything...frogman will just slide em in and not tell anyone

[coral solar]

Even better honestly

[prime dust]

the patch notes for the update will read "I added something, too lazy to tell you, figure it out on your own"

[white meadow]

would be funny if everything got added but no one knows how to get every specific mon

like hey (pokemon's name) is actually in game but gl finding it

[silent acorn]

Never used vanilluxe and they look adorable in this rom hack I am playing so... Yeah might go with that lol I am kinda mellowing out on the little guys

[coral solar]

I just want ice cream fusions. Is that so wrong.

[silent acorn]

Gonna play with them and see how they handle in a run so I might change my stand on them

I mean the one I am playing has stuff until Gen 6 so I get enough stuff to try

Not gen 7 unfortunately to test those out more.

[coral solar]

Legitimately, Vanilluxe hits really hard (especially if it has its Hidden Ability for 100% accurate Blizzard spam), but it suffers from a limited movepool and... well, being an Ice type. Below-average speed doesn't help either.

[silent acorn]

If the ice cream beings carry me through the rom I will support it more next time

Also considering between Skiddo and Carnivine, leaning on Skiddo

If vanillite were added I think it would join snorunt in seafoam which honestly sucks as early pokemon had this penchant for just adding ice types mid-late game

[coral solar]

When they're the least useful

[silent acorn]

Unbound does it early which is sweet, but yeah whatever the idea was behind that sucks

Like clamperl itself sucks a lot but the location it's in even more

Crabrawlers evo is post league in the first one and then like... Ice types live or die on design and that one dies

[toxic dock]

lilgant and lurantis didnt make it cap ;-;

[silent acorn]

There is spriter pick or raffle so let's see

Lilligant though :'v.... Pain

Hell even in the rom I am playing is stuck on safari... My favorite....

Lilligant gets in I hope to God it ends up being early route would suck having to go to the safari for it.

You know considering safari has like no pokemon you use for battle it's always bothered me there is no way early on to get there and just catch what you want and get back to palette or wherever to continue the trip with a not so level 30 pokemon.

[radiant briar]

How many more slots are there left?

[ebon glacier]

2 lines left I think

[restive arrow]

I like how in sword and shield you could get Vanillite early, since the beginning of the wild area is almost always snowing when I start a new game

Vanilluxe was on my champion team the whole game through, almost like a second starter

[prime dust]

community wise none

necrozma was the last of the 20 slots

we do still have 2 more reveals, that being the spriter poll mon/line and the winner's raffle mon/line

[ebon glacier]

I thought we also have another one for the Trevenant event

[limber niche]

No. Trev rush is picking a person to join the winners raffle

[ebon glacier]

The event description said One random participants gets to choose a Pokémon of their choice

[limber niche]

The Pokémon of their choice gets entered into a drawing (the winners raffle) for a chance to have it added to the game

[graceful torrent]

yo theyre putting regice in the game now?

[hollow quest]

soon (tm)

[limber niche]

Didn't you ask that like yesterday or the day before?

[graceful torrent]

i keep forgetting

[ebon glacier]

Oh

[limber niche]

A nIce surprise you get to enjoy again and again

[graceful torrent]

i do like remembering about regice and only regice

[prime dust]

you have the role for game update pings, you will get one from the server when the update that adds all the new mons comes out

[limber niche]

Yes. They could've just said "it gets added to the winners raffle" and instead went for admittedly a more confusing wording

[graceful torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/regice-gif-27202497

look at him he is my favorite :)

[prime dust]

we have a very soft confirmed date of "before the end of the year", and by that I mean they will try to get it done by then, but don't be surprised if it trickles into next year

[limber niche]

Most of the Trev rush I was trying to figure out why a person would get randomly chosen to draw (like physically) a Pokémon of their choice, and why that would only give them a chance to get it added to the game. I was worried it would have to pass a yes or no vote and only if the artwork was good enough would it be added to the game

Obviously that isn't the case, and I can be a little dense sometimes, but I've seen a fair amount of confusion

[prime dust]

that'd be an interesting way of doing things

"OK, you gotta make a fusion sprite on the mon you want in the game...but it can't be pixel art, it needs to be hand drawn, submitted via picture and then we vote on it"

no wait better

it needs to be macaroni art

[limber niche]

Macaroni art bypasses the vote

If you can effectively make macaroni art of the Pokémon you want in the game it gets in regardless

[coarse karma]

What if the winner tosses a starter in.

[prime dust]

they can't

[coarse karma]

Its a joke

Hence the :-)

[prime dust]

im runnin on fumes ok

[limber niche]

See, I genuinely don't know how that's going to work since I've seen a couple people saying they're going to vote for Rowlett if they get into the raffle

[prime dust]

got like 2 hours of sleep

[prime dust]

derps...pretty sure frogman will tell them to pick something from the remaining list

[limber niche]

I'll try it if I get in through the rush gonna vote for Litten

[coarse karma]

Anyways im gonna go sleep. 🥀

[inland jewel]

to be fair the winners raffle is supposed to be a secret thing, but its not really that much of a secret

[inland jewel]

also the spriters poll ended already, any sprites you make for Blitz week wont count to any extra points, in addition starters, mythicals and legendaries were not on the poll

[limber niche]

I meant for the secret winners raffle. We're unsure if starters are included in that

[inland jewel]

you can choose any mon thats not in from gens 3-7, but they have already soft confirmed that they're gonna add gens 5-7 starters later

given the fact that they dominated the community poll, getting placed 2nd, 3rd, and 4th respectively at overwhelmingly 80% of the votes each

[limber niche]

Got it, so you can vote for a starter but itd be a wasted vote

[inland jewel]

the only reason why they aren't being added is becaue the dev wanted variety and not just 2 sets of starters

yes

[limber niche]

It's cool to know that the Legends and mythicals would then theoretically be included to

[inland jewel]

at this point its the only way for legends and mythicals to get in,

[strange jetty]

Finally necrozma

[prime dust]

outside of another poll next year, or when ever frogman decides to add them in

[strange jetty]

But I still wanted some form of ultra beasts

[prime dust]

necrozma is a u beast

[strange jetty]

Technically yes, but I wanted the lesser ones too

[silk narwhal]

Speaking of necrozma

[white meadow]

Wow, what's that a reference of?

[regal warren]

Do we have any idea of when we'll get Decidueye added? I ask just as I can't wait to see what is cooked up with birb archer

Personally I have a hybrid of Decidueye and Togekiss for one of my primary characters/sonas online but I am curious to see what someone would come up with for that duo

[ebon glacier]

won't be happening any time soon

[regal warren]

Makes sense

Can't wait to see what keeps coming. Maybe the Grimmsnarl line?

[robust geyser]

Bruxish

[alpine rune]

I uhh dont think thats coming anytime soon either

[regal warren]

Not surprised lol. There is a lot of Pokemon out there

[limber niche]

Gen 8 and 9 mons aren't physically able to be added for the foreseeable future, if ever

[regal warren]

I can be wishful, just doesn't mean it will happen or happen soon. XD

[remote ibex]

wasnt included

[regal warren]

All good

[brisk vessel]

It reminds me of Ganglion from thebattlecats

[white meadow]

Based battle cats enjoyer

[empty pendant]

@pulsar moth battle cats mention in the wild

[compact saffron]

I hope Victini makes it in 'cause I know who to fuse it with.

[silent acorn]

Mission accomplished

[grand hull]

I love battle cats so much I hadn’t played in like a year but I checked in everyday and finally something good so I recently kinda started playing it

[drowsy drift]

does anyone know if Frogman is going to add new moves to the heartscale move tutors in the update?

[cinder oasis]

No

[sturdy frigate]

Victini and bronzor

Victor

[sturdy frigate]

Lack of sprites or something?

[primal arch]

So uh, this is how Yveltal can still win

[sterile verge]

You guys ever notice how everytime a new mon is revealed, there'll be a lot of ppl sh*t talking the new addition followed immediately by some of the most high quality fusions you've ever seen?

[sterile verge]

They were added in a later version of the library thingy IF runs on, so if they tried to port it to the version with gen 8+ a lot of stuff would break

[sturdy frigate]

Oof

[sterile verge]

Also why Missingno can't be added (since that's not even in the current library so it'd have to be coded from scratch)

[sturdy frigate]

Missingo is just most porygon fusions

Glitching fusions and stuff

[sterile verge]

That's why they allow porygonz glitchy stuff, rule of cool + no missingno

Allows us missingno fans to cope

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[brazen island]

Wouldn't missing No just be a Unown+PorygonZ?

[sterile verge]

In what way?

[steep glen]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/pWF2reniDWXiQPFHnWu2lzXRHMuIAraOS0aWeSECHb44qNwrUalF5kNpxOxphyWbRlz7JxxpaKTqfg=s800-nd-v1

[silk narwhal]

Nothing

[silk narwhal]

It actually isn't but ok

[pure flower]

Any plans to do the ultra form?

[silk narwhal]

Actually, yes

[pure flower]

Aa I see.

Did you know Scolipede can roll into a massive ball?

[bitter comet]

No
photos please?

[royal drum]

So, the current ammount of pokemon (not counting triple) you can get in if is 462×462+462-2= 213.904 pokemon

Also not counting fusions that have 2 or more different sprites for the same fusions

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-yes-gif-13721721

[silk narwhal]

Why -2

[royal drum]

Necrozma/ultra_necrozma and vise versa with explanation

[sterile spoke]

That's not a BW-styled sprite and is side-facing. 😮

[sterile spoke]

We shouldn't be voting or wanting things based on the reference alt potential. 😛

[drifting mason]

I think you can vote for whatever reason you want

[sterile spoke]

Remember that this channel isn't #1050404143807873157. Posting sprites of the new Pokémon is fine and good, but we don't need the iterative process here. 🙂

[fair jewel]

Pot, meet kettle

[sterile spoke]

You can, but it's flawed logic still. If you vote something like let's say a hypothetical Morpeko because it can be used to make Hamtaro references, there are only going to be like maybe 10 sprites where that's even a possibility in an organic way. 😅

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-what-emote-gif-23702501

[fair jewel]

Morpeko would make good head fusion material though, with each mon having a half hangry side... but yeah, as a body it's kinda... bleh

[drifting mason]

Of the pikaclones he seems like he'd have more fusion potential than the others

Did anyone here vote 3 for Plusle and Minum

[fair jewel]

idk, you're the staff, u tell us

[drifting mason]

Why would I know that

[fair jewel]

can't u check the voting results or something?

[sterile spoke]

I actually think that, if only one got in, most of them from Emolga onwards would have really strong fusion potential. 😄

Plusle and Minun: Cute, but ultimately redundant and weak.
Pachirisu: Great palette, but I think a hypothetical Pikaclone slot would be better used by another Pikaclone.
Emolga: Flying squirrel and wingsuits (I see it working especially nicely with Hawlucha).
Dedenne: Playing up the TV antennae theme (which would be nice on Pokémon like Rotom). Bonus of being a much-needed Fairy-type.
Togedemaru: Spiky hedgehogs (the Sandslash fusion makes itself).
Morpeko: Two forms is interesting, and the whole hangry gimmick (Snorlax would be a great candidate here). Bonus of being a much-needed Dark-type.
Pawmot: As much as I want Fighting-types, the stages of the line are much too redundant.

[drifting mason]

Nope

[sterile spoke]

We've not been able to check the votes since like the first week. 😛

[fair jewel]

Meh, Togedemaru will just invite alot of lazy fusions of "Mon, but white/grey colored, with random spikes"
Pawmot is past gen 7, so it's not worth mentioning
Dedenne is boring

Emolga and Morpeko are the only useful pikaclones that can contribute interesting fusions
(although i personally don't think Emolga would've, but Hawlucha proved me wrong)

[drifting mason]

Could probably make any pokemon look good, especially if you already like it anyway

[sterile spoke]

Morpeko is past Gen VII too, I was just hypothesising. 😛

[brisk vessel]

We should just get rid of one of pawmis evos 😁

[lapis gate]

Idk how to say this in a way that doesn't make me sound like a dick, but maybe other spriters are more creative and can come up with more than "white/grey colorred"

[fair jewel]

Hmm?
Oh Fck, u rite
I forgot Morpeko was gen 8

[drifting mason]

You were wrong and for that you must be executed

[fair jewel]

Go ahead and be a dick, idm
i encourage people to be dicks

[sterile spoke]

You could apply that logic to pretty much any Pokémon if you really wanted to. I've not been particularly impressed with most of the Necrozma fusions I've seen so far, for instance. 😅

[fair jewel]

That's not the fault of the spriters tbh. Necrozma is a pretty high skill mon to make fusions with. I decided to skip it becuz i'm not gud enough

[sterile spoke]

I'm currently in the process of making Regice / Necrozma right now, and I hate myself. 🙃

[drifting mason]

I like a lot of the necrozmas you funny spriter people have made

[fair jewel]

Aside from being crystal which requires some technique, Necrozma is an interesting fusion material because any head-concept it makes is essentially "Necrozma encroaching on the body", which requires the spriters to be creative unless they want to make a lazy fusion

[mystic crystal]

Yeah, a lot of the Necrozma fusions have been underwhelming so far, I think people saw base necrozma and were like "wow that would make some sick fusions!" without considering how difficult it is to fuse necrozma with stuff

[sterile spoke]

And don't worry, I'm not a hypocrite. My Necrozma fusion is also going to be underwhelming.

[fair jewel]

At least u'll put out a Necrozma fusion. I won't be able to

[mystic crystal]

that being said I have seem some excellent fusions too, so

[sterile spoke]

I'm solely doing it to tick the box of having done one. I will never make a second one. 😂

[mystic crystal]

Yeah probably same; though i'd like to do two for the best chance in the contest I don't think I'd be able to cope with that 😅

[brisk vessel]

I know what I wanna do for Necrozma I just don't know what I'm gonna fuse with it to make it happen

[fair jewel]

This is a problem with alot of the peasant voters. They'll vote for mons without considering the fact that sprites have to come from somewhere
Even if a mon is added in, if spriters don't sprite it, they'll be dealing with autogens

[fair jewel]

Need any ideas?

[brisk vessel]

I just need a second mon

[fair jewel]

For?

[brisk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/ramiel-friday-gif-20529963

I'll probably still include the arms so it reads Necrozma

[fair jewel]

I think someone said Regice/Electrode (or reversed), i think it would work better than Necrozma?
Electrode being the core

[clever atlas]

Honestly reminds me more of eternatus

[mystic crystal]

I have no idea what that is but the shape makes me think of Starmie

[brisk vessel]

Watch Evangelion

[fair jewel]

It has no fixed shape, but the default shape is just a simple 8-sided diamond.
It just changes shape when attacking

[fair jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/ramiel-evangelion-4d-cube-tesseract-gif-6888406797449791761

[brisk vessel]

If only this game supported Gens 8+

[white meadow]

I wonder who did that already

[lofty spindle]

Especially now since form changes are kind of a thing.

[fair jewel]

The form changes being a thing is more like switching mons. Morpeko doesn't actually follow the same mechanic, so it's irrelevant

[lofty spindle]

What mechanic?

[fair jewel]

Morpeko's form changes mood swap happens in battle and is temporary. It's still Morpeko regardless of what mode it is.
Oricorio's forms are treated as different Pokemon for the sake of fusion entries

[lofty spindle]

I mean... we also have Necrozma... which strikes me as harder to implement there.

[fair jewel]

Who knows how it'll work. I'm curious in that regard

In any case, Morpeko being gen 8 means it's not worth thinking abt

[lofty spindle]

Sad.

[brisk vessel]

It's eternover

[lofty spindle]

Reminds me of this phrase I came up with:

"It used to be jover, but now we're jack."

[brisk vessel]

Barrack

[fair jewel]

Ojama

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-gx-ojama-anime-monster-gif-17847003

[silk narwhal]

What isn't

[sterile spoke]

The sprite I was directly quoting. 🙂

[silk narwhal]

The message doesn't load

[dull adder]

It’s joever for my monkey lads

[white meadow]

Blaq means that

[tame flax]

So, how will fusions with ultra necrozma work?

[brisk vessel]

If the mon is fused with Necrozma
And Necrozma is holding the thing that lets it Ultra Burst
Necrozma gets replace by Ultra Necrozma in the fusion

[woven maple]

Really wish they could come up with a way to make Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma and vice versa a thing in game.

Have no idea how though.

[remote rapids]

Heatran

[lofty spindle]

Hey is the heat still onto you? No heatran.

[golden acorn]

Honestly it could be worse. Necrozma at least offers some new things. But it could also be... better

It feels somehow incomplete without the sun/moon legendary

[fair jewel]

There's nothing wrong with Necrozma being chosen, but that doesn't mean we can't be salty a mon we actually wanted wasn't chosen in its stead

[lofty spindle]

I think that is fair.

We just should not blame anyone for this, especially since it was a community choice.

[white meadow]

There will always be someone that’s gonna complain, just how people are

[left knot]

Obviously we just blame everyone collectively

[lean hedge]

Mismageus and galade could become Dark Magician from yugio i mean that hat and malebody

[ivory rune]

Man im just glad this game is getting updated at all

[prime dust]

if anything we should be glad they decided to dq the starters from the poll, otherwise the community slots would have been leagues different

[fair jewel]

Community poll was only meant to measure interest, and hype up the game again

[golden acorn]

So now there are only 2 mons left, right? Both being decided by the spriters themselves.

[agile olive]

haha yeah there have been few necrozma bodies done so far and I don't blame anyone. I did already make that base tho

[lyric zephyr]

Hello. General chat is dead rn. How are folks here?

[fair jewel]

One is based on the spriters-only poll yes. But unless the poll results are shown themselves, there could be some manipulation behind what actually gets picked regardless of the actual winner

[proud lion]

Will we see the poll results for both times the sprinters voted? The one with legends & starters and the one without?

[lofty spindle]

In general, I hope we will get to see the poll results.

[prime dust]

so you mean the poll with just legends [which is the same poll we got] and the poll without [which would be the spriter poll itself] because the starters were entirely dq'ed

i doubt we will see the actual results in either instance

outside of x mon/line won

[prime dust]

the spriter poll mon/line and the winner's raffle mon line

yes those are the last 2

we will maybe see the winner of the poll this weekend

the raffle winner reveal will probably come after they finish the last contest for the mon/line revealed with the poll...so maybe the 11th of next month

[merry ingot]

Hoping Solgaleo and Lunala be added and we get to see the light trio triple fusion

[prime dust]

their only chance is from the raffle; since the spriter poll had no legendaries or mythicals on it

[edgy thorn]

Does anyone know when to expect all the new mons in the game?

[rocky condor]

Now who's the twink and who's the twunk chat

That's the question

[prime dust]

Soon™️

we don't have a set date as of yet, there is a very soft "before the end of the year" that the dev would like to get the update out by

[edgy thorn]

Aight bet

[robust geyser]

The frogman gives and he taketh away

[white meadow]

Wait if Necrozma is 450, and Ultra Necrozma is a separate Pokémon with 450_1, what exactly does this mean?

Mainly I’m just confused why there’s Necrozma (450) and Ultra Necrozma (450_1)

[drowsy drift]

frogman might have a solution for forms taking up separate dex numbers instead of being treated as forms

[placid pelican]

forms just take _x instead of a new number

necrozma the only one with forms implemented yet

[drowsy drift]

will this be retroactively applied to oricorio?

[placid pelican]

prolly

not sure

[spice sage]

nop

[drowsy drift]

understandable

[spice sage]

the difference is because necrozma is a battle only form whereas Oricorio can switch out of battle

[placid pelican]

huh makes sense

soo greninja could get its form too maybe?

[white meadow]

So like Xerneas?

[spice sage]

(oricorio was supposed to work this way too originally but it caused issues)

[placid pelican]

i cant think on any other pokemon that change form

[drowsy drift]

darmanitan

[placid pelican]

in battle

[spice sage]

aegislash too

[sullen elbow]

You cant use blue xerneas in battle

[white meadow]

If I remember, Xerneas has a blue antler form when it isn’t in battle, then when it battles the antlers become yellow

[drowsy drift]

meloetta also form changes in battle

aaaand cherrim. that should be all of them

[sullen elbow]

Minior has in battle form changes

[placid pelican]

whaaaa?

[white meadow]

“battle only form”, like Xerneas blue antler outside of battle and Xerneas yellow antler in battle, that’s what made me think of it

[drowsy drift]

Meloetta starts battles in Aria Forme. If it uses the move Relic Song, it changes between the two forms. It reverts to Aria Forme if withdrawn. Outside of battle, Meloetta is always in its Aria Forme.

[placid pelican]

i thought it was something like deoxys :o

never used relic song with her lmao

[sullen elbow]

Wait so is aegislash going to have the form change? Cuz I personally think its unesesary

[tame flax]

That would be pandemonium

[drowsy drift]

I think as far as fusion designs go the form change for aegislash is nowhere near as extreme as the others

[tame flax]

I'd argue it's the most extreme

Because it changes multiple times in a single battle

[drowsy drift]

as far as fusion designs go

[dull adder]

Damn so our votes just were useless?

[inner night]

No the votes still counted

[drowsy drift]

you skipped over this part:

meant to measure interest

[tame flax]

Imagine how much the sprite would change whenever he changes forms between different customs

[drowsy drift]

imagine how much work that is for making every sprite slightly different because the shield moves

[tame flax]

Exactly, that's why I said it sounds ridiculous

Also, for some, it won't be that easy

How do you give a gun a shield form?

[sudden meadow]

Hey! new here and wondering where i check to see which pokemon have/are being added

[sullen elbow]

It would be funny if the shield form is just the gun reloading

[final spire]

please god let seedot get in

the pikmin fans in this game need him...

[sullen elbow]

Just use oddish

[charred cove]

So wait, hold on. That means we can't have U necrozma outside of battle?

[hollow quest]

i don't think you could have that in the base game either so

[weak trellis]

just use buneary/shroomish

(I have that cued up for the "hey wait" run but it's in foongus form)

[cinder oasis]

Pikmin is goated

[loud sorrel]

kinda sucks that oricorio cant get the U necrozma treatment so they dont take up multiple slots
i assume it might be because a) theyd have to change the dex numbers of all the pokemon that came after, which would be inconvenient for everyone to relearn the numbers and change the numbers on their sprites
and b) there might be an issue with how the game can display and register different forms
so maybe having multiple oricorio forms in the same slot just isnt easy to do in game

[spice sage]

Taking up several dex slots has literally zero impact tho

[loud sorrel]

i know
but its just something i find kinda annoying
like theyre the same pokemon why do they have to take up four slots

[white meadow]

Hey Hypnotoad small question
How will Necrozma work in PIF with its ultra form

[loud sorrel]

i know they have differences and all but it still irks me

[sharp nebula]

hey while youre here, are legends and mythicals excluded from the raffle as well as the spriter vote?

[prime dust]

just the sprite vote to our knowledge

[prime dust]

there's a discussion thread on that somewhere

[spice sage]

it changes form when it uses photon geyser if it's holding its item

[loud sorrel]

is there any way to view U necrozma or its fusions in the pokedex

[spice sage]

yes

[sharp nebula]

yo

[loud sorrel]

alright
any knowledge if other alternate forms will be added to the game? just curious

[spice sage]

Not initially but I plan to add more eventually!

[obsidian pagoda]

Yes please 🙏 every stage in the evo line is unique and fun and with shiftry there are so many cool tengu designs that could be explored!

[loud sorrel]

I want seedot specifically so I can recreate this fella

[obsidian pagoda]

Omg yes LMAO

[fair jewel]

I believe it was already mentioned that mythicals are excluded because they wanted to add it in more naturally as opposed to a vote
As for legendaries, i forgot the actual message

[prime dust]

melo specifically mentioned the raffle tho

[sharp nebula]

yes but that was directed at the spriter vote, we dont know for sure about the raffle

[loud sorrel]

i bet legendaries are the same case
and like theyd require special events and stuff to make getting them feel more special

as for the ultra beasts theyd probably get in as a big batch cause ultra beasts are sort of all in the same camp
not sure if theyd do the whole alternate universe travel thing but we'll see

[sharp nebula]

i imagine the raffle would be the same but want to make sure

[loud sorrel]

any word on when the raffle/vote pokemon are gonna be revealed?

[fair jewel]

At the very least, not until Necrozma's contest results are revealed

[loud sorrel]

alright
gotta be patient
do wonder if theyre gonna end on a bombshell legendary or a regular pokemon line lol

[cinder oasis]

Probably next Saturday again

Is when we'll see the next pokemon

[tidal ridge]

So whens the spriter and contest picks going to be revealed?

[loud sorrel]

after the necrozma contest apparently