pif-hoenn-discussion

[rapid quartz]

Ah gotcha

[prime dust]

yes, those will be processed when the big updoot happens that adds in the new mons

[white dew]

Ooh, we talking UBs?

[alpine rune]

I have no hopes of any [single time obtainable through in game event/puzzles mons that may or may not be a legendary] mons would come into the game at this stage

I'll just take what I can get now

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-we-are-in-the-endgame-now-infinity-war-doctor-strange-gif-14105401

[brisk vessel]

[alpine rune]

There's the ones who hopes, there's the ones who copes, and there's me who noped the notion

[loud sorrel]

i want pokemon like leavanny and lurantis
theyre not particularly likely
and honestly im kinda content with what he have currently
we got froslass which is awesome

[dull adder]

I w iwa iw i wan t the monke

[loud sorrel]

which monke

if you want the monkey trio theyre unlikely
take up six slots and theyre not super popular

[dull adder]

the trio, I like having hope in something that’s so clearly not getting in

[loud sorrel]

i guess i can see that
i wouldnt hold my breath on them though

also infernape line covers basically any monkey fusion you could want

[dull adder]

but….. water monke infernape…..

[honest tartan]

did you know that there's this awesome fangame where you can fuse pokemon to give them new stats, typing, and looks?

[dull adder]

simipour infernape water monke…. . .

I honestly just want a full team of double simipour

[brisk vessel]

Simisage >>>>>

Smh my head my head

[loud sorrel]

with the fusion system you can take any pokemon and give it mostly any properties you want
give them a second typing
give them any ability, any move
even a sprite of your choice if theres one available or you make one

if you really want the elemental monkeys you can just recreate them via fusions

also im actually really glad that competitive infinite fusion isnt a thing
i cant imagine what sorts of crazy game breaking fusions will be made
with the right setup you can make a pokemon thats nearly immune to damage
its horrifying to think about

[brisk vessel]

There used to be a Pokemon Showdown server for PIF

Mons like Blissey/Steelix and sht were dominating OU

[bitter comet]

I wish that was still a thing

[loud sorrel]

oh god
i cant evenimagine what sorts of fusions could reign supreme
like if you fuse shedinja with a dark type you get a pokemon thats only hittable by fairy
thats nutty

[bitter comet]

And since fairy type moves are kind of rare…
(well, at least I think they’re rare are they rare?)

[loud sorrel]

yeah
that level of customization means a lot of potential for busted combos

i actually cant think of that many cause im not that knowledgeable on comp pokemon
but you could give any pokemon intimidate or swift swim
give them all the busted moves
and hell now that i think about it you could consider fusions to be a form of terastalization
giving any pokemon any type you want

[bitter comet]

Someone needs to make a new one since the old one got close down

[alpine rune]

my steelix/blissey with stealthrock, toxic, minimize and sandstorm:

[bitter comet]

That is terrifying

[loud sorrel]

a pvp gamemode for IF would be hell to balance
if people get just a bit too creative suddenly everything becomes stall central or one hit hell

[bitter comet]

Why hasn’t anyone made a new one?

[hollow quest]

a single slap

[alpine rune]

Probably cant afford to host another server

[cinder oasis]

You can basically make any pokemon good

[loud sorrel]

fuse a magikarp with like, arcanine or dragonite or something and you can make them good
idk what pokemon are good rn lol

[loud sorrel]

this does sound kinda appealing
like you can take your personal favorite pokemon and fuse them with good pokemon to make them all viable

[bitter comet]

Imagine the galvantula fusions

[bitter comet]

So many Pokémon with powerful kind of low accuracy moves and then suddenly compound eyes

[cinder oasis]

You can't mix every pokemon and make them good but some fusions can be good

[loud sorrel]

also i got that exact zoroark/shedinja fusion cause i wanted to make a basically unhittable pokemon lol\

[bitter comet]

What would you guys fuse to it for PVP?

[cinder oasis]

Klefki

[alpine rune]

Ninjask honestly

Baton pass teams with extra steps

[loud sorrel]

idk maybe something that can cover its weaknesses
like idk a levitate pokemon or something

[bitter comet]

Do you guys think fusing it with Ampharos would be a good move or a bad move?

[cinder oasis]

Terrible

[bitter comet]

Yeah, makes sense

[alpine rune]

I dont think amharos adds anything that galvantula already cant do

[bitter comet]

I am not that much of a strategist brain, but I try to be and that usually ends up in noob speak lol

[loud sorrel]

youd wanna add something to cover bug's weaknesses

[cinder oasis]

It makes it worse because it makes it slower so it most likely go second to set up sticky webs or use thunder wave

[loud sorrel]

at the end of the day
its less about being super competitively viable and more about getting a cool looking fusion on your team

[cinder oasis]

That's why I'd use klefki for prankster and bug/steel typing

[bitter comet]

I wish my brain could understand that, the game would be so much more fun lol

[cinder oasis]

Looks is important but try to make it not super bad

[bitter comet]

What would you all consider as super bad?

[loud sorrel]

majikarp obviously
sunkern i believe has piss poor stats
a lot of early game normal types

[alpine rune]

I personally fuse ninjask for speedboost with Twave/SD/Webs and BPass

[alpine rune]

bug grass with sunkern?

[loud sorrel]

probably yeah
alternatively ice grass

[bitter comet]

Makes me remember that I once had a fighting mushroom(can’t remember the name of the mon) fused with a ninjask and a sprite looked dope

[loud sorrel]

breloom?

[bitter comet]

Yes

[alpine rune]

spore + speed boost to baton pass

[loud sorrel]

this one?

[bitter comet]

Yes

[loud sorrel]

it does look kinda cool yeah

[bitter comet]

I believe I put fury cutter on it

I can’t remember what other moves

I think it had the speed boost ability?

[loud sorrel]

im the type of player to mostly just put attacking moves on my pokemon as i find it the most efficient to win battles

[bitter comet]

Same lol

[loud sorrel]

once in a blue moon ill stick on a buff move or status move
but i like to be constantly attacking

if i hit some sort of wall like a super evasive or super strong enemy then ill be encouraged to put on a status move

[bitter comet]

The reason I want a Battle showdown style infinite fusion thing is so I can watch my friends play and be entertained because if I ever tried to play it, I would get my ass handed to me

[loud sorrel]

same lol
i am definitely not a competitive player
i feel more comfortable playing casually

[bitter comet]

Same I like going to the battle factory sometimes and playing there to pretend I’m a strategic genius when I gave my manray a ground type partner with lightning rod lol

[loud sorrel]

i very rarely incorporate any sort of team strategy other than "hit hard with the right type"

yknow i just remembered a story of mine
once i was playing a romhack
and i encountered this story battle where the trainer had perfect iv ev pokemon
and this one bastard of a pokemon that kept spamming substitute and healing and refused to die
i tried brute forcing it but it kept setting up substitute and healing and basically being a stupid wall while the other mons on the team kicked ass
so what i had to do was find a pokemon with flame body that could sacrifice itself to burn the walling pokemon
and with that it finally went down and i beat the trainer by the skin of my teeth
and thats basically the most strategy ive ever employed playing pokemon

it was really painful
whats worse is, the romhack is currently not beaten yet

im on like the final gym and i cant imagine how difficult and frustrating the final bosses will be
sort of the reason i havent played it in a while
to damn hard for my tastes

[lean hedge]

Is there gonna be ultra beast?

[brisk vessel]

We have scolipede now

[finite thistle]

With how many options the Fusion system gives you, it does make it super fun to devise unique combinations that are either non-existant or prohibitively rare in the main games. Had way too much fun taking out troublesome Pokemon with King's Rock, Serene Grace, Beat Up on my Togekiss/Krookodile and killing anything with Perish Trapping will never not be entertaining

[loud sorrel]

yeah it is fun
if you wanna employ actual strategy you can find unique ways to make use of all sorts of abilities and moves and stuff

[alpine rune]

I wish ninjask get Dual wing beat n early gens

[finite thistle]

The combination of gen 5 status effects and mechanics with later gen moves and abilities makes for easily my favorite environment for strategizing because everything feels like it has some viability to it

[loud sorrel]

yeah
you have a lot of tools and moves at your disposal to mix and match
feels like anything is possible

[bitter comet]

I just worry so much about what fusions are good, and what eliminates the most weaknesses that I sometimes stop having fun and I just worry and stress

I really need to find a way to stop that

[loud sorrel]

think the best way to think less competitive and more casual is to just play a casual gamemode like the IF campaign
things are easier there
you have more freedom to experiment and use suboptimal mons

[finite thistle]

Yeah, that's understandable, the teambuilding/deckbuilding for any game has always been my favorite part, but it can be super frustrating when something just doesn't work due to the limitations of the game. Even I get too far into the tank sometimes

[bitter comet]

I am trying out a new game on hard modern mode and my current team is sandile, joltik, quilava and nincada

Also, can someone give me a list of advantages to having a higher speed then your opponent?

[loud sorrel]

i think the main advantage is being able to go first in a turn
like being able to use your move before they do

there could be other things that speed does but thats the main one
i think a few moves use speed specifically to boost their power

[brisk vessel]

Speed is super important cuz going first is a HUGE thing in turn based games

Cuz in Pokemon
every move matters

So like if you can get your move off first then you will have a better advantage over your opponent

It's why fast Status mons and Priority moves are so good to have

[odd current]

fusions with either Shedinja or Slaking are definitely getting banned to Ubers if not AG immediately

[loud sorrel]

oh yeah slaking and regigigas can get their terrible abilities swapped out for something useful
it doesnt even have to be that useful an ability they just need to ditch the bad ability

[cedar fjord]

There are so many fusions that are busted beyond belief and it would be impossible to test all 200kish of them

wonder what the outright worst fusions are

the ones worse than the sum of their parts

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/skuntank-skunk-eating-food-eating-berry-battle-gif-16087427003628521840

[loud sorrel]

slaking+sunkern
weak stats and a detrimental ability if you choose it

i think

sunkern+magikarp maybe

[sterile verge]

Shedinja/Sunkern without wonder guard

Grass/bug means you are weak to 6 types

(4x weak to 4 and 2x weak to 2)

And shedinja's 1 hp stat brings down your abysmal hp on sunkern even more

[lunar pine]

Has sableye been added yet?

[little shell]

that's exactly why paras and Parasect are absolutely horrible. Abysmal stats and too many weaknesses.

[cedar fjord]

They're still working on the update with all the new mons

[fair jewel]

Praying for Meloetta for the last slot

[brisk vessel]

Same

[loud sorrel]

I didnt even think about that lol
terrible stats+literal 1 hp+heavy weaknesses
though if you only have 1 hp and no wonder guard it doesnt matter how effective it is, itll still kill

actually depending on how the stats are calculated i dont think itd be literally 1 hp
but itd still be abysmally low
and sunkern has really bad hp too
so basically anything would kill it

it might have some offensive potential
but with sunkern bogging you down how much are you really gonna be doing
honestly someone should do a challenge with this
using super weak fusions to beat the elite four+challenger

[stone cliff]

It wouldn't have only 1hp without wonder guard, but uh

Sub 200 stats

[white meadow]

what does wonder guard actually do

[stone cliff]

Immunity to non-super effective moves

But, sets HP to 1

[white meadow]

damn that’s actually a decent ability

just give it a type with the least weaknesses

[white meadow]

does that mean like a shedinja with it could just use endeavour then quick attack like that rattata tactic

[stone cliff]

It's not as good as it sounds, it can still be hit with leech seed, poison, burn etc

And it's not immune to recoil

[white meadow]

does it mean that that’s a possibility though?

[stone cliff]

Honestly I'm not sure about endeavor, it might

[white meadow]

Yeah in theory it does
Also endure works on the ability too if you wanna stall something

and protect

so what is the actual like point of shedinja because personally it’s just kinda “i’ll stall your dynamax!!!!” or whatever

[white meadow]

What you mean with point?
Origin
Why you should use it or?

why would you use it

personally i’d just use it to stall dynamax turns

[white meadow]

I used one with Donphan cuz I liked the design
But you can use it in PIF for god tier fusions that only have one weakness and hit like a truck

[near prism]

Shedinja with a steel type gets immunity to sandstorm and toxic

Also only one weakness with fire

[lean wing]

Bug/steel Shedinja paired with a support Pokémon that can Baton Pass a decoy from Substitute

[fringe star]

?tag walkthrough

[opal trail]

Here's the full walkthrough of the game! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BtwBIcCjfHDeIMjU84-o_whlwBDk6qF6233miLrRAZM/edit?usp=sharing

[toxic dock]

still waiting for the last reveal

[white meadow]

it’ll lose health from substitute

and can you even baton pass substitutes?

[high mauve]

I used aipim shedinja

[lean wing]

That’s why I specifically said “paired with a support pokemon”. And yes, you can baton pass substitute. I even tested it myself and it works.

[high mauve]

I’ve not thought of bugsteel though

[lean wing]

Bug/steel is considered a great typing combo for Shedinja since the steel type makes it immune to poison and sandstorm while still only having 1 weakness. Only main downside is that one weakness is Fire, which is a pretty common type for offensive moves compared to something like Fairy.

That’s why I like having a support Pokémon with Baton Pass + Substitute to cover for my shedinja’s Fire weakness. Wonderguard still works on the decoy too.

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-angry-spheal-sad-gif-24173669

[white meadow]

You can baton pass a sub???

[lean wing]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-batch-star-wars-tech-well-i-thought-it-was-obvious-gif-22203020

[white meadow]

Well baton passing stats is understandable but I didnt think a sub is passable

[lean wing]

I just did some basic research on what baton pass works with since my only actual experience with Pokémon is Gen 1 and Infinite Fusion. Substitute was included in the list.

Tested it myself to make sure. Yes it works.

Health regen like Aqua Ring also works with Baton Pass too

[white meadow]

Oh okay good to know

[simple gulch]

you can even baton pass Perish song

[white meadow]

Why the hell

[brisk vessel]

Its funny (i managed to beat someone in Pokemon Showdown because of this)

[white meadow]

Nice

[shell epoch]

I wonder when we gonna get the new version with the pokemon added in

[marsh yew]

Subpassing has been a staple of competitive play for as long as BP has been a thing

[silk narwhal]

Hey Toad, it's my birthday today, can you announce necrozma as a gift?

[prime dust]

they want to try and get it out before the end of the year, but we don't have a set date

[marsh yew]

Necrozma head and Zygarde body is a legendary fusion I'm looking forward, way down the line

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[silk narwhal]

I didn't ask you

[slate osprey]

Ngl, Necrozma or Zygarde coming out before Yveltal, Xerneas, Solgaleo, or Lunala is kinda crazy to me. But we did have Regigas before the other Regis so its not unprecedented

[white meadow]

Happy bday to you

[silk narwhal]

Thanks Zero

[white meadow]

Happy bday to you

[brisk vessel]

[silk narwhal]

Thanks Zero

[restive arrow]

Sub has always been baton passable
It was especially prevalent in gen 3 baton pass teams bc it allowed the setup mon to avoid getting statused or taunted

It even got Soundproof banned bc Mr. Mime would be immune to the most common phasing move while boosting to uncontrollable levels

[heady ore]

Was Dedenne added to the game?

Becasue this is in the galery

[white meadow]

Its Not the guy probably didnt know that we shouldnt do that

yeah, spriters shouldn’t put things in the gallery that aren’t in the game, then we can’t use the sprites

[prime dust]

i mean people have made sprites for stuff not in the game

[white meadow]

The problem is this thing doesnt have its numbers cuz its not confirmed

[prime dust]

tempted to poke the person and say to move it into I guess #1050404143807873157 would be the best place...

gallery is more for things either already in the game or confirmed to be joining the game

[white meadow]

but the Sinnoh pikachu clone should be added, there’s a lot of potential for squirrel fusions

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[prime dust]

no

they need to stop making pika clones

[marsh yew]

Pawmi is good, by virtue of being an actual regular 'mon rather than what Pikaclones were for 17 years

[sullen elbow]

Morpeko is at least kinda interesting with it's gimmick and signature move. Too bad its a bit ugly

[edgy dune]

Am I right that there's now only one community pick slot unannounced? So it's definitely a single stage Mon?

[zealous flint]

No

[prime dust]

yes, the last community slot is a single stage mon, more than likely a legendary given the last announcement was also for legendaries

we will find out which one come this saturday

[sharp nebula]

well they did say roughly 20 so i wouldnt count it out entirely, but most likely just 1

[prime dust]

after that we have whatever mon/line the spriter poll chose, and the winner's raffle which I can guarantee we likely won't see until sometime next month

[lean hedge]

Lol bugs bunny = lopunny lucario fusion

[white meadow]

Then what other Sinnoh pikachu clone do you want added to the game?

The point is, that pachirisu is the only Sinnoh pikachu clone, therefore if a Sinnoh pikachu clone is added, it has to be pachirisu

[prime dust]

we don't need any more pikaclone as we have the best one

[white meadow]

pachirisu is getting added?

[prime dust]

no

the only pikaclone we have is mimikyu

[white meadow]

then don’t say best pikachu clone when we don’t have it, lel

[prime dust]

that is the best pikaclone

because all the others are horrible or not interesting, imo

[white meadow]

Also, Mimikyu isn’t a pikachu clone

It’s just wearing a pikachu outfit, so it’s just a pikachu wannabe

Unless that means I can put a pikachu costume on Garchomp and call it a pikachu clone

[white meadow]

Exactly
Do that

[graceful torrent]

They should give us plusle and minun

[golden acorn]

I think pachirisu would offer some new things. It has a nice color palette and does add the squirrel aesthetic.

I can imagine some really cute fusions with it.

[graceful torrent]

What about Emolga

[golden acorn]

That too can be useful.

[graceful torrent]

Has flying type for fusion and a much more diverse move set including acrobatics

Actually I’m not sure how much better the move set is

[golden acorn]

It would give wings, but is a bit too close to the pikachu line with it's color palette. Still the wings, flying type and aestetic can be useful

[graceful torrent]

Emolga is more brown and white is it not?

[sharp nebula]

how about neither because theyre both bad

[graceful torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-emolga-cute-anime-gif-23364796

[golden acorn]

It does contain some yellow too.

[graceful torrent]

Some yellow bruh it is primarily dark grey and white

[golden acorn]

I imagine the cape/wings would be used quite a lot

[weak trellis]

pachirisu also has wall stats for what it's worth

[wheat imp]

can we get surskit it would be SO CUTE

[golden acorn]

But out of the pika clones Pachirisu offers the most unique colors and emolga offers a unique aesthetic and "skills".

[graceful torrent]

I also like Togedemaru. I used the totem version on my USUM play through

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/surskit-ah-surskit-a-pokemon-pokémon-gif-21420968

[white meadow]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message
I did post a few a while ago

Doesnt convince me

then post me some fusions and convince me of what you want

[graceful torrent]

Togedemaru gives iron barb and steel typing for fusions

Plus it is VERY round.

[weak trellis]

we already have a second round electric with full 420/420 customs

[weak trellis]

not knockin toge, just mentioning

[sullen elbow]

Togedemaru ofers a physical electric move that isn't from a legendary or volt tackle that you need to breed for

[golden acorn]

Yeah, but it is a bit too pikachu like imo. It also lacks proper steel type moves.

[white meadow]

maybe that Noivern one looks good, others not so much

[graceful torrent]

Wait it literally only gets gyro ball in Gen 7 lol

[sullen elbow]

It gets iron head as a tutor move

[white meadow]

I take it personal

[zenith relic]

After seeing the regi's makes me think of a idea between Regirock and Metagross

I would differently make that fusion into E-123 Omega

[tame flax]

Wouldn't golurk be better?

[zenith relic]

idk

[lean hedge]

Pacheritsu raichu and mimikyu triple fucion

[weak trellis]

if no pikaclones get in you can still try it with azumarill

[loud sorrel]

I checked btw
Magikarp/sunkern seems to have one of the lowest stat totals in the game with 173
Could possibly be a lower star total out there though

Magikarp/azurill has the same stat total of 173
Idk if there’s a lower one out there
Any weaker Pokémon like wishiwashi aren’t in IF currently

[balmy bison]

e

[violet pawn]

h

[cinder oasis]

It also gets zing zap which is cool

Serene grace zing zap

[neon zephyr]

I just updated the game what Pokemon were added?

[violet pawn]

none

[wispy cobalt]

Bruxish

[lean hedge]

Does this already exist

[silk narwhal]

are we getting the last reveal today?

[white meadow]

Y today?

[silk narwhal]

nope i misread the date of the last reveal, my bad

[real moth]

when is the last reveal?

[meager python]

Cerulege but cooler

[silent acorn]

When the frog sings and the sinners repent

[meager python]

Hes a toad actually

[silent acorn]

The mural says frog so...

[meager python]

This is a hypnotoad joke

[real moth]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-toad-frog-mesmerized-gif-3938170

[meager python]

The owner of the server is known as “All glory to the hypnotoad”

[silent acorn]

Not worthy of toad only frog

Anyway by sinners means the middle finger people on the announcements

And by the frog singing basically when the next announcement comes

[silent acorn]

The hell is this post lol

[meager python]

It looks like a weird shitpost but I cant be to sure anymore

[silk narwhal]

i fucking love sacabambaspis

[silent acorn]

I like how the guy has Japanese letters on the username and the sacabambaspis text but for the stop this foolish drivel is another thing

Man English has some comically dramatic words sometimes.

Egads! Eureka! Tis this flawlessly majestic wicked thread we are in! Aleluya! Hail the HypnoToad

[cobalt nebula]

I’m so happy with all the regi fusions. Weeks of people saying they were just dot faces with no fusion potential.

[raw bison]

Same, people really didn't appreciate what you can do with their aesthetics. We got so many GOLEMS now

[weak trellis]

all 4 of em

also as I said two of them look great for my incorrect fusions run (regirock face, regice body)

[amber barn]

If xurkitree is the last mon I will....do something idk I love the wires

It won't but man

[coral solar]

It's almost certainly not.
If the Ultra Beasts make it in (which they will, eventually), they're gonna all be included in the same update. Putting them in one at a time would be too awkward.

[clever atlas]

Honestly, idk why people insist on bunching the UBs together so much
Like, aren't they regular Pokémon in their home universes?
What if the UBs we know of were the only ones accesible from the Alola region? What if only a few Ultra Universes are accesible from Kanto/Johto?
Like yes, they're a group, but you know who else is a group? Darkrai and Cresselia, and the froggo was perfectly fine with putting Darkrai in and having Cresselia bite the dust

[weak trellis]

i mean even in vanilla one's a female legend and the other's a genderless mythical

[clever atlas]

They're still a pair tho

[weak trellis]

reminds me of AlteRed 1.3 throwing me off by having a variant for every eeveeluton except leafeon

(one was in 1.2 but it was swapped for a sylveon one with the same stats/type)

for the ubs I can kinda see it tho

splitting them into nihlego, buzz/phero, xurk, kart/cele, guzz, blace/staka, and piop/naga

out of any of those my vote's a tie on zurk and guzz tbh

[white meadow]

i will always think that adding pokemon for the sake of "being counterparts" is lame

[weak trellis]

zurk does more things gameplay and aesthetics wise but guzzlord is funnier

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/zurg-deal-with-it-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-glasses-gif-18115909

[weak trellis]

i would object but I feel like canon agrees with you outside of legend pairs

[clever atlas]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[white meadow]

wait it's with a g

i have failed

[weak trellis]

since very few of the version pairs have stayed pairs for long (rip purugly missing the like 5-6 games skuntank's in)

[white meadow]

it's funny how they actually keep carbink simply because of diancie

[finite thistle]

Purugly is definitely one of the most screwed over Pokemon. It's actually a pretty decent early game Pokemon, but not only is it exclusive to Diamond, but you also need Surf before you can even get it

[iron stratus]

how iv works on fusions?

[umbral meadow]

May I introduce to you... Magikarp/Happiny, BST 169, the lowest I have ever seen

[loud sorrel]

oh man youre right
now thats probably the lowest lol

[lofty spindle]

Final evo of it is pretty good though.

[lyric quest]

If anyone needs help with their case for Zygarde and/or Greninja... Take this.
#artwork message

[lofty spindle]

Do we have... some Ribombee?

[stone cliff]

Are the contest winners able to pick Greninja to put in the raffle?

[prime dust]

no

the starters got dq'ed entirely from the main poll early on

so no reason to add them back in for other stuff [otherwise I can almost guarantee both the spriter poll and raffle would end up being starter mons]

[inland jewel]

they're most likely going to aadd the starters on a later date, since they were so popular they dominated the top spots of the poll

[cinder oasis]

Nah

[stone cliff]

The contest winner choices were the only ones I hadn't seen so I was curious lol

[inland jewel]

to be fair, contest winners choose a mon and they get entered into a raffle, they don't know what the other contest winners have chosen

so theoretically they could have chosen 9 skutanks

and then the one person who chose komala gets in because thats the one that is pulled

[silk narwhal]

i wonder how hard coding a gen 8/9 mon is

[inland jewel]

its more the new abiliites that have to be codes and made to work

as well as the new moves

not to mention coded in a way that the version that IF uses understands it

[silk narwhal]

well i mean, if it's actually doable, then why doesn't anyone do it

[inland jewel]

since the 2 massive overhauls done to the files

[silk narwhal]

and also, why does Toad still work solo? i feel like a lot of people would like to help with other things than sprites

[inland jewel]

fun fact, both the IF files and the gen 8-9 files are public source, you can def take the time to do it i

Its much easier to work by yourself with a passion project instead of with a team who wants to pull apart your vision

[silk narwhal]

i mean, he could absolutely put guidelines and moderation like he did with sprites

[inland jewel]

sounds a lot like wanting someone else to do the work smh

[silk narwhal]

wuh

no, it's just that he did mention being the only developer and not wanting to code them himself, so someone could help

i don't see the problem with that, unless he wants to stay solo which is totally fair

[inland jewel]

the best way for something to be added is most likely for someone to do it themselves, like yeah we always ask for a harder difficulty, or for more pokemon, but for each case people actually had to get the maximum out before he shrugged and siad "yo I can work with this" and adds them

for the additoinal pokemon, he overhauled the entire way they were stored because some did a mockup of what he could have done instead and saw the value of it.

for the harder difficulty, we have a thread of people working on getting a new game mode added.

[silk narwhal]

yeah but like, we CAN'T add things ourself. We cannot open the game in RPGXP

[inland jewel]

but you can

[bitter comet]

What do you mean a new game mode?

[inland jewel]

as i said, both the Gen 8-9 essentials docs and the IF code are public

[inland jewel]

#1144756897732378715 , supposed to be Classic+

[bitter comet]

Ah

[inland jewel]

like the same encounters as classic, but the trainres aren't level 40 bulbasaur fusions on victory road

the amount of level 12 weedles on route 3 😭

[inland jewel]

#1123609511618420826 message

IF code is public, Pokemon Essentials is also public,

[silk narwhal]

what the fuck i had no idea

[inland jewel]

but be aware that the code that Frogman used is 5 version behind the essentials public version

so anything that gen 8-9 references in the most recent version could not be there, or altered in the version he uses. so you'd have to hunt down every single thing they changed, both for Essentials, and for Frogman's code and change it so that they work

[silk narwhal]

so it's not very useful

[inland jewel]

and i know that essentials had massive code overhauls at Essentials 19, and 21

its the best thing we have, to actually trying to get gen 8-9 stuff in

[silk narwhal]

now i get why no one has done it

[inland jewel]

with projects like these, that keep getting new stuff every few years, you can choose to break your back to and keep up to date with whats out, or double down and keep what you started working on

I've worked on a fangame before, and keept on scrapping everything once a new generation came out, and only stopped when Gen 9 came out, so I understand the hassle

[silk narwhal]

i just want tinkaton to be in

[inland jewel]

Let me guide you to Project Amalgam

The IF-clone that goes up to gen 8 (from the last time they posted a year ago, and has been silent since, but everyone, even frogman, has said is doing good progress)

[silk narwhal]

yeah i know that but it's not even out

[inland jewel]

though i think they were using unity so idk the status of it now

its still the best bet you're gonna get for tinkaton in a fusion game

[prime dust]

likely if they were using unity that would explain the slience

[silk narwhal]

unless i can somehow add it myself and then convince Toad to add that code

[prime dust]

probably trying to figure out if they can swap engines to not deal with that mess

[inland jewel]

to be fair, they made their first post announcing they were doing the project, and then went radio silent ever since

[silk narwhal]

copium seethium and maldium

[inland jewel]

the template for a pokemon is easy, and i don't think tinkaton has any unique abilities that were introduced that gen

[prime dust]

ah...more of a heads down moment, keep things on the dl so as not to over promise

[silk narwhal]

how easy

[inland jewel]

you'd also have to code in all gen 8-9 moves that are given to it

[prime dust]

but still, probably the unity mess is bound to make them consider shifting engines

[honest tartan]

and then code all of the new mechanics to be up to date

[inland jewel]

lets see

Pokemon name,
Gender ratio
Moveset
Abiliites (hidden?)
Evolution conditions
Weight
Size
Types
Egg Moves
Egg Groups

Its BST
Its EV Yield

let me open pokemon wack and get the template there

[stone cliff]

I do also feel like part of not wanting to add gen 8/9 is, where do you put everything?

[honest tartan]

guys
are you regi for gigas?

[inland jewel]

to be fair, coding the things only ONE pokemon needs, is less time consuming than coding what an entire generation of pokemon needs

[stone cliff]

Right, but if they add Tonka Truck, then everyone will want their favorite gen 8/9 mons in and so forth

[honest tartan]

yea but its gonna be super jarring if the abilities and other things arent up to date, imagine playing a gen 9 fangame and clefairy is still normal type (no tera)

[inland jewel]

yeah, which is why, if you're gonna do the work to add one pokemon, might as well just do the rest of the pokemon

and then ask the dev "hey i reworked the code of these gusy so you can add them to the game, can i have tinkaton in as thanks

[silk narwhal]

where is the RPGXP file in the public code release

[inland jewel]

which is what happened with sableye

[honest tartan]

hes also doing this all for free too

[inland jewel]

there isn't one, you have to build that yourself

[silk narwhal]

what

how the fuck

[inland jewel]

what most people do is start a new RPGXP file and copy the filese from the public version over the newly genned files

[stone cliff]

Is the % completion of each gen posted somewhere?

[silk narwhal]

how the fuck do i do that even

[inland jewel]

Create a new game

[honest tartan]

the best gen is at 100% and thats all i need to know

[inland jewel]

find out where the files of that game is stored, take the IF Public files and replace all in that folder

[stone cliff]

You're right, thank God we have all of Gen 2

[safe steppe]

Amen

[silk narwhal]

the Audio, data etcetera folders?

[inland jewel]

yes

[silk narwhal]

JUST the folders?

[inland jewel]

its literally move everything in the IF folder into the newProject folder, and replace all

this will give you the ability to edit the map data, etc

[silk narwhal]

huh, tinkatink can learn just 6 gen 8+ moves

[silk narwhal]

holy fuck it worked

[inland jewel]

now edit to your hearts content

make gen 8-9 possible

[silk narwhal]

don't rush it, i still have no idea of how to code a new pokemon

do you guys remember where the necrozma clues were?

[inland jewel]

isn't one in haunted tower?

[prime dust]

lavender tower is where the clues for the other crystals are given

[lyric quest]

....Oh.

[silk narwhal]

i succesfully opened the playtest in RPGXP

and sure enough, the prism room is there

[brisk vessel]

This is it

The final hope

[silk narwhal]

it's gonna take me some time to get the hang of it, that's for sure

[stone cliff]

[brisk vessel]

Is this lo

:.|:;

[stone cliff]

So I decided to go through and figure out dex completion including the upcoming mons (I may have counted incorrectly, did it quickly on my phone)

Gen 1: 151/151 (100%)
Gen 2: 100/100 (100%)
Gen 3: 70/135 (51.9%)
Gen 4: 63/107 (58.9%)
Gen 5: 44/156 (28.2%)
Gen 6: 20/72 (27.8%)
Gen 7: 10/88 (11.4%)

Overall: 458/807 (56.8%)

The new mons bring Gen 7 from 2 to 10

(also I only counted Oricorio as one)

Numbers appear to add up so this should be correct

[ebon glacier]

:o gen 5 got the most mons?

[stone cliff]

Apparently lol

[rocky condor]

I'm gonna kill you. Violently.

[stone cliff]

Also I'm so lazy that I originally tried to have ChatGPT make the list for me but it had no idea what it was doing

[stone cliff]

[rocky condor]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-adventure-time-fall-good-awesome-gif-16774468148866476453

oh that was the wrong gif

[rocky condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[alpine rune]

I thought it was fu but then I remember the other f slur. I haven't used that since 2015 and I still don't know what the f slur meant.

[stone cliff]

The homophobic one

[alpine rune]

Ohhhh

Now I know why they insulted me like that, I thought it was just hard word for "stupid"

[rocky condor]

why tf do i even have a lich f slur gif saved😭

[stone cliff]

That's a question I don't have an answer to lmao

[alpine rune]

Celebrities when someone found their posts from 15 years ago before they got popular:

[weak trellis]

for those spicy 2008 gamer moments

[stone cliff]

"It's just a gamer word"

[weak trellis]

vintage from the era before twitter

[alpine rune]

It be like that

Anyways, dictionary discussion aside,

I really hope they reveal cresellia so people would mald themselves that the necrozma they wanted isn't put into the game

[stone cliff]

Y'know actually, I could see Cresselia having a chance. I imagine the main reason the Regis got in was due to Gigas already being there (as much as I love them). So Darkrai being in could give Cresselia a chance

[alpine rune]

Rip Melo fans

[rocky condor]

nah lets get back to the dictionary and talk about how rizz and simp are a part of the webster dictionary now.

[alpine rune]

You will all be missed

[cinder oasis]

W!

[stone cliff]

I'll take rizz over no cap and shit like that any day

[rocky condor]

nah, humanity's fucking doomed bro 😭

[alpine rune]

[alpine rune]

Welp we found the 15 year old

[stone cliff]

At least it has an origin that makes sense

[rocky condor]

If sus gets in the dictionary, i'm killing myself

[stone cliff]

Can't say that anymore, gotta say unalive

[rocky condor]

i'd rather die than see that in

[alpine rune]

Gonna make some soggy toast

We're going to get muted are we?

[rocky condor]

Nah i don't even care anymore. I don't wanna look in the dictionary and see fucking sus in there. I don't want amogus to be in the english lexicon

[cinder oasis]

Have you ever spoken with these guys

[stone cliff]

I remember when they added Yolo

[alpine rune]

Don't talk about my mother like that

[cinder oasis]

My bad

[alpine rune]

[cinder oasis]

When Skibidi is in the dictionary

[alpine rune]

Ok, a line HAS to be drawn somewhere

[stone cliff]

I always thought that skibidi toilet was the video of the toilet where someone goes "skibidi da mm dada" and it explodes, then someone told me I was wrong and I decided against looking for context

[cinder oasis]

Skibidi toilet Dictionary definition

[alpine rune]

I don't hate the series, I hated the fandom, it's like Undertale and FNAF lately

[stone cliff]

I didn't even know it was a series

[cinder oasis]

I think Skibidi toilet is stupid

[rocky condor]

Shoutout to my dad learning skibidy was a thing at work today and then asking me about it.

Some guy said it on a work call with him and he asked me what it was a few hours ago. Having to explain what skibidi meant and that it was from that fucking series was the most pain i ever sat through.

[alpine rune]

Actually I feel like Undertale and MHA fandom are more deranged than the average brony at this point.

[rocky condor]

the fnf fandom on the table:

[cinder oasis]

Fnf fandom is child’s play compared to MHA

[rocky condor]

if i was actually a fan of that fucking slop, i'd be in even more pain.

[stone cliff]

Undertale was a great game, first couple FNAF games were pretty unique, FNF is a pretty good rhythm game. But the fandoms...

[alpine rune]

We don't talk about the fnf fandom

[stone cliff]

I remember being in a particularly masochistic mood and going through the Undertale AU wiki

[cinder oasis]

Erm guys? Is that Freddy Fazbear. har har har

[stone cliff]

That shit is CRAZY.

[alpine rune]

Big mistake

Every UT AU in a shellnut: OMG SANS (or a variant of him) SO POWERFUL HE'S GONNA SAVE THE DAY WHILE BEING BADASS

[stone cliff]

I remember the first time I saw Sans in the game and thought "hehe funny skeleton".

[alpine rune]

Sans in Undertale: Eh, I'm too lazy to do anything about it

[weak trellis]

there's a reason why "undertale fandom" and "sans fandom" are very frequently two different things lol

[stone cliff]

I watched the Amazing Digital Circus since I'm a big fan of Gooseworx. Saw Jax and was like "ope, the sans fans are gonna be all over this one"

[alpine rune]

The line between them is very blurry. I remember when the made a remix of Tokyo teddy bear for a sans character, but looking deeper made me question myself of what I am doing

[cinder oasis]

I like the amazing digital circus but I didn’t expect people to be ravenous about it

[rocky condor]

I'd genuinely say the fnf fandom is worse than prime undertale fandom. Like 2015 undertale fandom. Literally everything there is toxic.

I left the fandom in early 2022 and just played popular mods that came out, as well as listened to some songs. I searched up fnf on twitter to see what i missed and i couldn't scroll 5 minutes without finding some form of drama. It's so bad that a gimmick account was made. Days without fnf drama. The @'s days_fnf. That shit almost never breaks 2 days. It's almost ALWAYS 1, 2, or 0.

Wanna know the ironic part? People are getting actively mad at this account, saying it's "making the fandom worse" and "should deactivate because it's harmful."

Like, my siblings in christ it's a gimmick account. A number went down.

It's not the end of the world.

[alpine rune]

Spot on right there. I was like "This guy is going to be the Tumblr sexy man of the year huh?"

[cinder oasis]

Oh yeah I think micheal kovach said he knew it was gonna happen or something

[graceful torrent]

YO THEYRE PUTTING REGICE IN THIS GAME NOW???

[stone cliff]

Like, I can't even tell people IRL that I like a lot of things I like because the fandoms fuckin ruin it

[cinder oasis]

Woah really?

[alpine rune]

The thing is I can't talk about FNF fandom here because it REALLLY leans to rule 2 here. My summary is that

Most fnf creators are giving free candy, the fandom is stupid as shit

[stone cliff]

Rejoice, my child. May you always be ready for Regi

[rocky condor]

I can sum up almost the entirety of the fnf fandom creators in one screenshot.

[graceful torrent]

Not the EDP445 in the Pokémon infinite fusion discord I wanna talk about REGICE my favorite ice type regi

[rocky condor]

and my mute's coming in three...two...one...

[cinder oasis]

You mean the PDF File?

[stone cliff]

Regice when people get off topic:

I might actually make that as a Regice/Regice alt lol

[cinder oasis]

Regice/Porygon

[pure flower]

Regice/Porygon would definitely be good to be Ramel

Actually. The name is confusing

We pronounce it as regi-ice. But it's more like reg-ice

[cinder oasis]

Regular ice

[stone cliff]

I always said Reg-Ice until they said Regi-Ice in the anime lol

[alpine rune]

has anyone made an overlord reference yet?

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-guzzlord-ultra-beast-gif-9339669787675322392

Whoops I read guzzlord mb

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-xurkitree-ultra-beast-walking-gif-24549417

[stone cliff]

Wait, for Ramiel I might actually use Regice/Electrode

And make a tiny Electrode the core

[slate gazelle]

there goes the ✨ boi ✨
goodbye, boi
there he is
he never got to be here
(this is a reference)
(I very much doubt it’ll be chosen via spriter poll or raffle so there’s not really any hope left for him)
(not being serious here)

[lusty oxide]

Haven’t been here in a while

How is it going over here?

[stone cliff]

Complete and utter chaos

[loud sorrel]

waiting on the new pokemon
and talking about ultra beasts

[prime dust]

@sterile spoke

or whoever got it, ty

[sterile spoke]

I can say it wasn't me. 😂

[prime dust]

prob Xillo then, went from DnD to Sauron

[lean hedge]

I think ultrabeast would be great like that paper one combining with wishiwashi and you got a school of paper fish or planes trough the sky

[tribal horizon]

I think the kalos starters should be added

[white meadow]

True
I only dislike Delphox

[tribal horizon]

agree

[grave jolt]

I want my squirrel, sea lion, and fire cat

Alas, no gen 9.

Not in engine, so not going in game.

[clever atlas]

Gen 6 is probably my favorite gen of starters

[grave jolt]

I'm meh on all the gen 6 starters

I'll take fennikin, or chespin if I wanna push myself, but I typically replace them before the first gym.

they did ma' boy quaxly dirty 😔

Yeahhh
IF uses a game engine that doesn't include gen 9. As such, the dev team have stated that gen 9 pokemon are impossible for infinite fusion.

[patent dagger]

imagine the possibilities

[grave jolt]

coded Fusion stuff is done automatically iirc.
Don't really know much about what's up with the internals of the game myself, the devs just say it's a problem with the engine.

Quaquaval is ok at best. they could've done so much more with its design, and it feels like a wasted opportunity to me.

Meowscarada is similarly a wasted opportunity, but that's mostly me wanting a bipedal cat starter.

[prime dust]

gen 8+ more specifically

[obtuse silo]

I generally like less cartoonish starters

[prime dust]

the tool they use that has the sprites/stats/etc isn't updated to have Gen 9 mons in it yet

even if they were to update to the newest version of the tool, it still lacks that info

but then there's the added difficulty of having to redo a lot of the code the game uses if they wanted to upgrade to any of the newer versions

i think it was attempted once and it failed

there is a silent, but ongoing project [Amalgam] that is trying to use the IF source code plus a more updated version of Pokemon Essentials to have stuff from the newer gens...

[royal horizon]

Guys, hear me out:

[prime dust]

they likely will be at a later date, the starters were on the original poll for the community to vote on, but got disqualified because that's pretty much all the community ended up voting for [gen 5, 6 and 7 all held over 70% votes]; dev didn't want the community poll to be nothing but 2 generations of starters plus 2 other mons...he also wanted better variety

[grave jolt]

iirc the other 2 mons were the gen 6 box legends too lmao

[prime dust]

we don't actually know that, the starters were the only ones they showed numbers for

and if Xern and Yvel were the next highest on the list, they would have been the first announced community additions

[grave jolt]

ah, makes sense then.

[prime dust]

but that was not the case, the first community revealed mons were Snorunt, Glalie, and Froslass

[grave jolt]

Still, glad we're got the mons we are getting. I got most of the ones I'd have picked from staff, so I'll have to thank them.

[sick wraith]

I wonder if we'll also get a triple fusion of the regis

[golden acorn]

Maybe we will get one gen of starters for christmas or something.

If the game can even carry more mons after the last picks.

[violet pawn]

the game can handle practically infinite pokemon now I'm pretty sure

[silent acorn]

Has slots for like 1745 gens of 100 each base pokemon, so yes

Only newer mon I would actually like is basculegion, as that fixes old basculin, and honestly I think we can leave ol basculin out

I find it funny that legit there are people who think luvdisk>Alomomola

[lofty spindle]

The current limiting factors is the version of Pokémon Essentials the game runs on, only going up to gen 7.

[feral holly]

we need Kingambit

[grave jolt]

I'd like weed and flame kittens pls 🙂

[golden acorn]

I'm not surprised. It's from gen 3 and much known. But yeah. Alomomola is just plain better at anything luvdisc offers.

[prime dust]

past gen 7 so nope

[prime dust]

litten will likey get added in later, along with the other starters from that gen...weed cat is a no go since it is past gen 7

[grave jolt]

😔

[prime dust]

even if Frogman found a way to update the game to allow for newer versions of Essentials, Gen 9 is still missing from them [if what I remember someone else saying is true], so we'd still not be able to add in weed cat

[topaz geyser]

Konkeldork

[alpine rune]

hammer arm

[royal horizon]

I love conkeldurr, I think he has a lot of potential for fusions, but I don't see him getting in anytime soon 😂

[sick wraith]

I want the ultrabeasts in Infinite Fusion
Could make fr some crazy fusions

[sterile spoke]

If you were the one making the fusions, you'd be less keen on them. 😛

[woven maple]

I want Abomasnow in Infinite Fusion
Could make fr some festive fusions

Anyways, assuming a reveal soon, do we think it's going to be Spriter's poll reveal, the final community reveal, or some unannounced bonus pick?

[white meadow]

Community

[subtle cypress]

komala

[sterile spoke]

As much as I think Komala would be fun for fusion potential, I don't think it'll be popular enough for that final slot. 😦

[woven maple]

I've got to assume the final one is a standalone Legendary or Mythical (why would they release the regis before something like Spinda), so that leaves Cresselia, Shaymin (2 forms but 1 slot!), Heatran, Victini, Meloetta (again, 2 forms 1 slot), Diancie, Hoopa (more 2 forms), Volcanion, Magearna, Marshadow, Zeraora, and I think everything else is associated with a chain or group.

I don't remember if all of those were in the poll or not tbh

Of those, I feel like Cresselia, Heatran, or Marshadow have the best shot

[white meadow]

Oh yeah make every pokemon cuddle a object

[woven maple]

Necrozma would feel weird to introduce without the rest of its trio, so my prediction is if it is Necrozma, we'll get Lunala and Solgaleo (with their chains) as bonus picks

[limber niche]

I was thinking something like that as well. This contest had three mons and two entries allowed. Next contest, also two entries....

[prime dust]

not Heatran...that thing is bleh

[white meadow]

Ew Marshadow

[red plaza]

Marshadow hate will not be tolerated

[woven maple]

I haven't seen a lot of hype for anything but those three, at least in terms of standalone Legendaries/Mythicals. I guess an Ultrabeast is possible, but yeah.

Idk, any other predictions? Anyone feel free to throw your wildest theory out there.

[red plaza]

Simisear 🔥

[woven maple]

Feel free to throw your wildest but still palatable theory out there.

[white meadow]

You saw hype for any of those?

[silent acorn]

Marshadow is really personal honestly
Not sure what itch it scratches

[white meadow]

I think its Necrozma
The datamine leaks
The event in the playtest etc

[prime dust]

if you saw hype for heatran then it was trolled hype, almost no one likes that legendary

[white meadow]

I like that lava toad

[prime dust]

i said almost

[silent acorn]

Its a salamander

[woven maple]

Searching it again y'all might be right about Heatran; it might've just been when I was on that the occasional discussion on it happened.

Marshadow though was absolutely hyped

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-what-did-you-say-gif-21112459
Heatran be real

[white meadow]

And Marshadow just were like 6 annoying kids

[silent acorn]

I rather heatran than marshadow honestly

[white meadow]

I prever Heatran over Marshadow too

[silent acorn]

Actually I am at fault for results for marshadow being high since I complained about it regularly

[woven maple]

I mean I'd prefer Cresselia the most

Of those options

[silent acorn]

Here is the hierarchy on side legends victini<>meloetta>Diancie>hoopa>Cresselia>magearna>Volcanion>marshadow>shaymin>Zeraora>keldeo

Not counting weather trios or the other trios because thats a pain.

Victini is sort of a draw

[woven maple]

Oh I really forgot about Meloetta after I typed that message out huh.
Yeah it's probably the frontrunner in that list.

[limber niche]

People vocally want Victini?

[silent acorn]

I know there are people who want victini and it's solid. Like if you complain about victini you a beach

[prime dust]

if the last mon isn't Necrozma, then i can see Meloette or Cresselia...i don't want Victini in just yet

[limber niche]

I haven't seen a single person mention Victini, good or bad, lol

[silent acorn]

That's fair kinda why I left it at a draw

[prime dust]

you have missed a lot then, its been a back and forth

some people want him, others would prefer to have something else over him

[woven maple]

I mean going by the highly scientific method of control f'ing the pokemon, Marhsadow and Meloetta both easily clear 1000 while Victini's around 300

[silent acorn]

Victini is just solid it's signature solid, hell it would be fun as heck with shuckle

[woven maple]

I don't think there's all that much hype

[limber niche]

I just see it as another small rodent. Only thing really new and unique is the ears

[silent acorn]

The truth about marshadow.
Really I see people saying it's cool but that could just mean throwing 1s and 2s at it

[limber niche]

Meloetta, shaymin, diancie, cresselia are probably the four with the most fusion potential

[civic lily]

I want both Meloetta and Diancie, but at this point it's clear that at least one of them is not going to be in, unless they made it in via a different contest.....

._.

[silent acorn]

Marshadow could get through contests considering it has quite a few fans

[woven maple]

Just add the whole pokedex cowards (/j)

[silent acorn]

Eventually but for now we speaking which mon is > than which mon for dialga efficiency

[prime dust]

kind of can't

[silent acorn]

Kind of theoretically most of the choices we have are addable it's the ones from further gens that can't

[white meadow]

where heatran hype

people legit forget it's even a legendary

[limber niche]

There's just something about bulky fire beasts. Volcanion is also meh

[prime dust]

for good reason

[white meadow]

volcanion is the mythical of all time

[woven maple]

We don't know what the new limit is, but just through gen 7 is 809 which is nearly double the total pokemon currently in game, and therefore 4 times as many unique combinations, so I doubt it's possible with the current engine tbh

[prime dust]

given its a legend/mythical that mixed fire and water, that is the only thing it has going for it

[white meadow]

im fine with 808 pokemon 👍

[woven maple]

Unique typing is so much less valuable in this specific game is the thing. I can get a fire/water type whenever I want

[limber niche]

Thanks to fusion its typing isn't even unique in this game lol

[woven maple]

Same brain

[prime dust]

i know

[limber niche]

Unleash furry hell and make Zeraora the last one

[silent acorn]

Regirock, registeel and regice are valuable as sources of mono material typying meaning less unpredictable

Their abilities suck tho yep even hidden abilities suck. Well clear body is kinda decent but not very useful on one's like regice and regirock who are more fragile unless combined right
Still better than avalugg tho

Marshadow move spectral thief is useful for sweeping but like... Its design is so damn basic

I just think it does the same as Darkrai being wispy and all, except you can work more around Darkrai and marshadow is just... For the most part a chibi fudger with less colors

[native nebula]

I thought heatran was a frog.

[silent acorn]

Not its a salamander it's body resembles one more

[native nebula]

it has a tail?

kinda

[woven maple]

I thought it was the embodiment of the planet's boiling core

[silent acorn]

this salamander

Not all monsters need long tails y'know

[native nebula]

Its body comes down to a point.

[graceful torrent]

Wait they’re putting Regice in the game now?

[woven maple]

My man where have you been xD

[silent acorn]

Is this a joke or did you legit not know?

[graceful torrent]

I’ve been busy

[native nebula]

the 3 meain Regis yes

[silent acorn]

3 reggies are making it yes

[graceful torrent]

Nice I like Regice

[woven maple]

Full list of added pokemon are in a pinned post

[silent acorn]

Best one honestly

[native nebula]

We still need a Regi dark age.

[woven maple]

Er, to be added pokemon. Nothing's in game yet

[graceful torrent]

The Regis aren’t mentioned in the pinned post, are you guys lying to me about their inclusion

[native nebula]

Ice age stone age iron age medieval age technological age.

[woven maple]

The one from Blaquaza in this channel? They are

[graceful torrent]

Oh I’m silly I thought they would be mentioned at the end of the list

[silent acorn]

I dunno Rick seems pretty sus to me

[woven maple]

Ah yeah, I think it's in original Dex order and not by when they're added

[silent acorn]

Froslass's dead last, geddit?

My joke was so good a moment of silence for respect had to be done, thank you

[alpine rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302153478556352513/1163657591147217138/moxxie-you-what.gif?ex=65405f95&is=652dea95&hm=05c363342649d69653b2fb5fa4113529ea3d23b2a1531ba7dd9f5ef535ca091e&

[prime dust]

its a mix of both'

because if you look at the dex, a lot of mons which should be before others are later in the dex due to when they got added

[sterile verge]

I think he was referring to the list Blaquaza stated not the in game dex #

[sterile spoke]

It is, yes. 😄

[woven maple]

Come to think of it, why not make the stickied post a numbered list so people can keep track of the dex numbers too? Whenever I'm making something with a new pokemon I end up going back to the announcement tab and scrolling up until I find the number in their reveal posts.

[sterile spoke]

Numbers don't work in Discord lists, more often than not. 😛

[woven maple]

Or add an indexed list after your current community/bonus breakdown

[sterile spoke]

Oh, you mean IF Pokédex numbers? 🙂

[woven maple]

Oh, I see.

[sterile spoke]

If someone gets me the numbers because I'm too lazy to find them, sure. 😄

[silent acorn]

Frigid you do it

Ok no objections you are in charge now

[woven maple]

421 Sableye
422 Venipede
423 Whirlipede
424 Scolipede
425 Tyrunt
426 Tyrantrum
427 Snorunt
428 Glalie
429 Froslass
430 Oricorio Baile
431 Oricorio Pompom
432 Oricorio Pa'u
433 Oricorio Sensu
434 Trubbish
435 Garbodor
436 Carvanha
437 Sharpedo
438 Phantump
439 Trevenant
440 Noibat
441 Noivern
442 Swablu
443 Altaria
444 Goomy
445 Sliggoo
446 Goodra
447 Regirock
448 Regice
449 Registeel
450 ???
451 Stufful
452 Bewear
453 Dhelmise
454 Mareanie
455 Toxapex
456 Hawlucha
457 Cacnea
458 Cacturne
459 Sandygast
460 Palossand
461 Amaura
462 Aurorus

Pretty sure that's all of them and they're all totally confirmed additions

[sterile spoke]

In fact, I'll pin that and you can update it.

Snover and Abomasnow?

[woven maple]

They're confirmed, it's too late, you said you'd pin it

[alpine rune]

Do you think they'll make it to 470 just to round up the numbers?

[woven maple]

Next level propaganda

[alpine rune]

[woven maple]

In all seriousness if you're just going to pin it I'll keep the wishful thinking out

[sterile spoke]

The IF Pokédex number of all of the newly added Pokémon: 🙂

421. Sableye
422. Venipede
423. Whirlipede
424. Scolipede
425. Tyrunt
426. Tyrantrum
427. Snorunt
428. Glalie
429. Froslass
430. Oricorio (Baile)
431. Oricorio (Pompom)
432. Oricorio (Pa'u)
433. Oricorio (Sensu)
434. Trubbish
435. Garbodor
436. Carvanha
437. Sharpedo
438. Phantump
439. Trevenant
440. Noibat
441. Noivern
442. Swablu
443. Altaria
444. Goomy
445. Sliggoo
446. Goodra
447. Regirock
448. Regice
449. Registeel
450. Necrozma ()
451. Stufful
452. Bewear
453. Dhelmise
454. Mareanie
455. Toxapex
456. Hawlucha
457. Cacnea
458. Cacturne
459. Sandygast
460. Palossand
461. Amaura
462. Aurorus
463. Rockruff
464. Lycanroc (Midday)
465. Lycanroc (Midnight)
466. Meloetta (Aria)
467. Meloetta (Pirouette)
468.
469. Bruxish (🎄)

[woven maple]

Oh thank god I won't be responsible for updating it

[sterile spoke]

Trust me, I didn't want to burden anyone else with it. It's a painful existence.

[feral bear]

Cant wait for the bruxish reveal tomorrow!!!

[prime dust]

great now we gotta double poke you for updoots to both lists

[sterile spoke]

No you don't, just say to update them both in one message. 😛

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure if bruxish were in, they'd be revealed by now

I think the last few mons will be legends

Given that they just revealed the regis

[zealous flint]

Kill bruxish

[mystic crystal]

Bruxish is a legendary though; it's definitely going to be the final slot

[tame flax]

Well, depends on how you look at it

We know necrozma is in, assuming there's no bonus mons, it's him, assuming there are still more bonus mons, outside of the spriter poll, theyre likely legends to maintain hype

[zealous flint]

We dont know for sure, they could have taken it out after the leaks

[white meadow]

Doesnt sound like a problem
Just add a mon every week

[tame flax]

Why? Because it was leaked?

[zealous flint]

Prolly

[tame flax]

Sandygast was leaked and he's in

[zealous flint]

That doesnt mean that much

[white meadow]

Nah they just like to bully us since we know they get in

[zealous flint]

And this

Actually idk

[white meadow]

But its pretty clear we get it
Would be weird if he adds the event in the playtest just to remove it in the next update

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure frog wouldn't undo who knows how many hours of work just to say "nuh uh"

[sterile spoke]

It's the 30 pings that aren't fun. 😛

[white meadow]

Than let me do the list

[zealous flint]

Thats something i would do

Would be so silly

[tame flax]

And you're not the one man team putting this thing together

[zealous flint]

you wouldnt know that

[white meadow]

One man + Bird

[tame flax]

If there's more bonus mons

I'm gonna guess the cosmog line, crescelia, meloetta, and maybe, and thats a big maybe, maybe tapus

[alpine rune]

Youre the second person who wants tapus besides myself

Where've you been brother?

[tame flax]

I just think they'd be a good fit, if more areas are being added, it'd make sense to add the remaining sevii islands

[tame flax]

Also I've been here, I was the slurpuff guy

[alpine rune]

I just think terrains are neat, especially when you can fuse mons with STAB Terrain boosted moves

That and Defensive effects like reduced dragon/ground moves

[tame flax]

But I can also see some UBs because of something else in the leak

[sterile spoke]

If IF did end up with exactly 50 additions (could be more, will very probably be less), here's what I'd have gone with. 🙂

Seeing Slurpuff get mentioned reminded me of it. 😉

[zealous flint]

Kommo-o

[woven maple]

Any meaning to the order?

[alpine rune]

Fusing a steel type with Tapu Bulu makes them bulky, Fuse chansey with Fini makes them immune to being statused, etc

[tame flax]

I'm genuinely surprised we didn't get golisopod

[zealous flint]

Yet at least

[alpine rune]

same

[sterile spoke]

I just tried to put them into a vaguely organised list. 🙂

Not that any of IF's post-Johto Pokédex is even vaguely organised, that is. 😛

[tame flax]

No, if there's bonuses, save spriter choices, it's all legends from here

Same with lycanroc

[woven maple]

How hard would it be to reindex the dex anyways?

[sterile spoke]

It's possible that they're just out of reach for the poll selections. 😮

They could come in the form of bonuses, but the chances are slim. 😅

[orchid elk]

Gen 7 has so many good Pokémon

[sterile spoke]

The poll heavily favoured Gen III Pokémon, it seems. 😮

[woven maple]

The fact that this game uses the gens 1 and 2 map, and the fact that early generations themselves are so heavily represented, means that fans of the game are more likely fans of those earlier gens

[sterile spoke]

With just 1 slot left, we have 9 Gen III Pokémon, 1 Gen IV Pokémon, 0 Gen V Pokémon, 9 Gen VI Pokémon, and 0 Gen VII Pokémon for the poll winners. 😅

[woven maple]

Gen VI is the weird one there to me. Was it well liked? Wasn't that when the 3D transition happened and as a result was where it was at its roughest?

[orchid elk]

In terms of sprites?

[woven maple]

Well there weren't sprites, but yeah. In general everything looked not great was my impression.

[orchid elk]

True, I mean I liked it a lot but gen VIII onwards not really

[brisk vessel]

What do you mean 0 Gen V

[orchid elk]

Gen III seems to make the most sense tho

[zealous flint]

I just realized a majority of the mons that got in are gen 3 and 7 mons

Makes sense though, those are the gens with some of the best pokemon designs

[weak trellis]

gen 6 also has a small dex since lot of its designs are on megas

[lofty spindle]

Funfact: No gen had as many object-mons as gen 3.

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-24404127

[zealous flint]

What else besides chimecho? Do baltoy and claydol count?

[lofty spindle]

There is also Camerupt, being based on a volcano.

[cedar fjord]

You also have the Regis, Lunatone and Solrock, the Metagross line

[orchid vault]

I'm not sure volcano counts as an object. By that cound every rock pokemon would be an "object" too

[hidden relic]

We got a lot of these surpisingly, so thats' good 😄

[orchid elk]

Volcano is just an everyday object

[orchid vault]

camerupt is a camel with a volcano on it

gen 3 "object" mons are all either "this creature is made of rock/metal" (arguably not an object) or "animated puppet/clay sculpture" (probably an object) + the one bell chime (definitely an object)

[empty pendant]

gen 3 is actually pretty low on mons tht are 100% object

[silent acorn]

Which is not bad

I kinda prefer mons that are a mix rather than one thing

[heady ore]

So. When will they announce thag Hippos are coming to the game?

[silent acorn]

Not yet as far as we know

Like many awesome animal object mons aren't making it in

[restive arrow]

Gen 5 had the most object mons but most of them were bangers

Chandelure line is amazing, Vanilluxe line is cool (idk why it took 5 gens to makw an ice cream pokemon, but then again we didn't get a dolphin until gen 9), Golurk line, etc

Also hot take, but Klinklang line was pretty cool too

[lapis gate]

Hey chat, were the regis the last of the new mons or do the spriters get any other picks?

[silent acorn]

Klingklang is just basic, nothing inherently bad about that but....

I like the plant mons they were quite varied more than fire for sure

Most psychic types are decent, but damn the dark types rock in that game

Fighting types is where i was kinda disappointed

Mienshao is good and conkeldur is fine I guess but like Sawk, throh and scrafty are definetely lower to me

I just realized gen 4 only introduced 2 new fighting type

[silent acorn]

One new leftover slot, spriters pick and raffle

[lapis gate]

Ic, ic, thanks!

[sterile verge]

there's 1 more regular poll slot left (1 pokemon), a spiter's choice poll (1 evo line), and the raffle (also 1 evo line)

[rocky condor]

I'm begging for chatot so hard you have no idea 😭

he has a chance. It's low but there's a chance

[sterile verge]

imagine we have the raffle choice winner be announced and it's some weirdo who's like, really into Basculin or smthin lol

[sterile verge]

that's what happens when you try to redo an entire 4 generations worth of pokemon

gunna get some / a lot of misses instead of hits

story wise it's the 2nd best story Pokemon has ever seen

[autumn radish]

Yeah, honestly if it ends up being Basculin, i would refuse to use or fuse it at all.
Heck, i would rather have Ludvisc of all pokemon, instead of Basculin. That's how much i despise Basculin.

[hollow quest]

unfortunate that basculegion was gen 8

[cobalt nebula]

My friend wants scraggly

Necrozma?

[autumn radish]

Yeah. Which sucks, because Basculegion is actually cool. Better typing, you can choose if you want to go with the physical-oriented male or the special-oriented female, cooler design that makes you say "Wow", and their shiny isn't just "slightly light green".

[sharp nebula]

something may be happening

[hollow creek]

HERE HE COMES

[sharp nebula]

oh le frog has gone black

[junior notch]

would be odd but makes sense

[violet pawn]

wait what is happening

[sharp nebula]

the light is fading

[loud sorrel]

What’s going on with the general channel
It’s been replaced with black shapes

[inland jewel]

the light of the world is fading, in a place with no light, one being exists, as it has consumed all light

[sturdy crescent]

how come this chat is spared?

this can't be allowed to stand

[violet pawn]

is this the necrozma reveal

[loud sorrel]

Maybe a dark type is gonna be announced soon and this is their way of advertising it

[hollow creek]

The pokemon iron mugulus is corrupting the discrd

[sturdy crescent]

I'm so excited for Umbreon

[hollow creek]

ok there's no way it cant be necrozma though lol

[loud sorrel]

It very well may be at this point
And maybe the cosmos line is gonna join alongside it hopefully

[hollow creek]

THATS HOW YOU TRIGGER IT

[loud sorrel]

Like necrozma and cosmog line gotta get in together right

[violet pawn]

by saying necrozma?

[hollow creek]

oh

[pulsar yew]

Sprite Gallery just changed

[violet pawn]

wait no

[hollow creek]

ok nvm maybe it is random

[pulsar yew]

Now with hearts

[sterile verge]

oh god i can't see my name

https://tenor.com/view/leg-frozen-snowman-my-legs-gif-5493419

[sharp nebula]

meloetta's power lets me remain in the light

[violet pawn]

if you enable forbidden mode (light mode), you can see the names

[thorny ferry]

Oh nice, looks like necrozma is getting in

[loud sorrel]

Don’t speak too soon

[hollow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-anime-pokemon-gif-22517519

[thorny ferry]

It's gonna be bruxish I'm telling you

[lofty spindle]

Yeah I have no idea why they're hyping it up like it wasn't obvious from the moment the regis were revealed.,

[hollow creek]

There's no way its not turtonator guys

[thorny ferry]

Fr

[hollow creek]

it actually was not obvious when the regis were revealed i remember this chat last weekend LOL

[vague oar]

It’s clearly Torkoal

[thorny ferry]

It's obviously volbeat guys

[lofty spindle]

Necrozma along with Palossand was leaked, and after the regis we only had one slot left.

[grizzled cradle]

no way black pikachu is being added

[gilded eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-anime-pokemon-gif-22517519

[violet pawn]

what if it's unown?

[lofty spindle]

At least it looks like they're finishing it today.

[gilded eagle]

what happen to my name?

[pulsar yew]

Necrozma you say?

[white meadow]

Whats going on

[loud sorrel]

Another channel just got infected
Not sure which one but more are getting blacked out

[grizzled cradle]

so happy for zekrom’s release

[lofty spindle]

But man, this is kinda dull...

[violet pawn]

it was turned the same color as the dark mode background

[lofty spindle]

I think I may quickly leave the server to get my name color backj.

[hollow grove]

h

[loud sorrel]

Oh man I just realized my name got blacked out too
I’m infected lol

[white meadow]

Wtf is going on with the channels

[hollow grove]

why does some of us have no black name

[surreal chasm]

Necrozma is coming

[gilded eagle]

this is all my happyness and more

[violet pawn]

you won't get the secret '5 year member' achievement then

[pulsar yew]

Maybe they'll announce when a certain number of people change colors, like a reaction tally

[sharp nebula]

its spreading

[grizzled cradle]

[inland jewel]

people be losign their names

[white meadow]

Finaly

[sharp nebula]

aaaaaaaa

[inland jewel]

quick, those of us who still have them beat back those without

[thorny ferry]

It's a worthy trade for having necrozma

[loud sorrel]

Watch, they’re gonna turn into white shapes afterward to signify the cosmog line

[lofty spindle]

Here I am again.

[drowsy elm]

This is quite scary

[surreal chasm]

My name is black what

[inland jewel]

you lost your identity

[red badge]

Oh man, I hope the next reveal is Zygarde

[loud sorrel]

Oop another channel got blacked out

[sharp nebula]

you will all be snuffed out

[white meadow]

Our Lord of Darkness and devourer of light I summon you

[lofty spindle]

Their problem, not mine.

[gilded eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry5-dante-dance-gif-13701221

[lofty spindle]

Wait why did my name color turn back even though I still have the role?

[hollow grove]

i agree but necrozma will be complete if the other legendary's also join being cosmog Cosmoem solgeleo and lunala

[inland jewel]

you don't have the role

[thorny ferry]

The french got infected 😔

[lofty spindle]

What role even was it?

[white meadow]

Infect me my lord

[inland jewel]

though i do find it funny that people who have light theme can see the names just fine

[hollow grove]

you also dont have a role

[inland jewel]

im pretty sure they're just giving it out to people.

[hollow grove]

wait i can ifect some one

[violet pawn]

h

[inland jewel]

Noooo my identity

[white meadow]

Infect me

[lofty spindle]

God this is annoying, we know what's going on, hurry up already.

If they wanted this to be spooky they shouldn't made it so obvious.

[fallen loom]

new Pokémon brings black stuff

[hollow grove]

ok as you wish

[sharp nebula]

let the darkness in

[thorny ferry]

I have dark mode and I can see the names

[violet pawn]

shut up ur lame

[lofty spindle]

Cool, may as well leave until after reveal then.

[lofty spindle]

If they wanted me to shut up they could have left me out of it.

[white meadow]

I already love that event

[fallen loom]

it's the prism Pokémon

[lofty spindle]

I hate it when social places to this stuff.

[gilded eagle]

another channel got hit

[loud sorrel]

I think they’re gonna reveal the Pokémon at 12:00

[feral bear]

No fun allowed!

[thorny ferry]

And then they pull a pallosand and it turns out to be a volbeat painted black

[violet pawn]

lol okay, you have no reason to complain though

[hollow grove]

we been fooled is definitely

[white meadow]

@silk narwhal I think Necrozma is coming and stealing our light
Our Dark Lord will be here soon

[gilded eagle]

i have no light

[sharp nebula]

the shadow of bruxish will take you

[lofty spindle]

I want to say that to you after years of dickheads doing stuff like this to mess with me.

This here? It's nothing, but holy fuck do I know where this ends up.

[white meadow]

Does my name become black please

[hollow grove]

i thought you where talking to me

[white meadow]

what

[fallen loom]

⬛ 🖤 ⚫ ◾

[feral bear]

My light was not stolen bc i am too fabulous 👁👄👁💅

[white meadow]

Yessss finaly

[loud sorrel]

Infected!!!

[gilded eagle]

fusion got hit

[white meadow]

Happy to upload him when Necrozma is there

[thorny ferry]

Rest in politoed sprite gallery 🫡

[fallen loom]

Zekrom is Machamp if it were a dragon

[white meadow]

Spritework got infected yay

[crisp prawn]

No necrozma. It would be such a pain to make fusions for TT_TT

[white meadow]

It actually isnt
Its quiet easy

[thorny ferry]

I made a body necrozma some time ago, it wasn't as bad as I had imagined ngl

[hollow creek]

Idk how body necrozma will look but im excited to see it lol

[surreal chasm]

Guys, give me a Rattata with quick attack & endeavor, who holds a focus sash. I can fix this.

[verbal narwhal]

So necrozma

[sullen elbow]

Just make regice fusions first and then color them black

[crisp prawn]

As a body, it's so spinndly, I can't imagine anyone would want to have to make bodies from scratch. As a head it's just... black.

[verbal narwhal]

It is consuming the light ig lmao

[gilded eagle]

no let the dark lord come

[white meadow]

Scoli head Necrozma body made by @silk narwhal

[fallen loom]

This will sadly be the case

[white meadow]

Thats a lie tho

[fallen loom]

8 chats are now infected

[hollow creek]

SHEESH

[white meadow]

what is happening

[white meadow]

I just wait for the horror we get from Necrozma bods

[thorny ferry]

The necrozma with scale shot:

[white meadow]

why are people black

[crisp prawn]

Oh THEY TOOK THE FRENCH 😱

[gilded eagle]

Necrozma is coming

[white meadow]

Nothing our lord Necrozma just eats the light of everything

[fallen loom]

Necrozma bod on Lopunny

[violet pawn]

rasit

[thorny ferry]

Sprite requests has been infected

[white meadow]

That would be scary ngl
Imagine a horro bunny

wait that's not what i meant e

[thorny ferry]

It's the new fashion

[cyan hare]

Ohhhh were having a takeover it seems?

[sullen elbow]

We are dying

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-anime-pokemon-gif-22517519

[white meadow]

Finally sweet death

[hazy pine]

Whats happening to the text channels?

[cyan hare]

IS IT TIME FOR BIG GOAT NECROZMA TO SHINE?

[fallen loom]

Minior with Necrozma bod would look cool

[white meadow]

You think Necrozma eats minior like candy since Minior is just light energy

[fallen loom]

Now when do we get the Cosmog line?

[cobalt nebula]

Rip Meloletta

[crisp prawn]

It could be marshadow 🤔

[sullen elbow]

Nah its turtonator trust

[cobalt nebula]

Necrozma has come!

Nah that makes no sense. What Pokémon absorbs light?

[hazy pine]

It could also be music notes, aren't there square music notes?

[hollow grove]

from the looks of it not alot are infected but why is every one whos typing infected

[loud sorrel]

Doubt they’d put this much advertising and do a stunt like this just for marshadow

[white meadow]

Only Necrozma

[gilded eagle]

this is no worship Nercozma gif this is sad

[white meadow]

im still white!

[cobalt nebula]

Exactly

[white meadow]

Oh Ultra Necrozma eats light too

[digital ferry]

I was taking a nap, do we know how the infection spreads yet?

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-crazy-skeletons-gif-25201754

[white meadow]

wait how do i phrase this better breh

[crisp prawn]

Hey woah marshadow is worthy of an event!