#pif-hoenn-discussion

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lofty spindle
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I also wonder if Trevenant will get access to Spirit Shackle, even sharing its typing with Decidueye.

prime dust
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i think its still restricted to gen 7 max

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mainly due to Pokemon Essentials

lofty spindle
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I'm honestly having a lot of fun looking into the move tutor stuff you can get specific fusions if they meet certain requirements.

I imagine Sableye may get access to Diamond Storm.

lofty spindle
prime dust
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i assume so; since it is still data reliant

lofty spindle
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I see, I ask specifically since I believe Spirit Break could prove useful.

lofty spindle
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What abilities would a Trevenant give as a body?

obtuse silo
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harvest

lofty spindle
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That's its hidden ability.

acoustic locust
lofty spindle
lean hedge
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I hope someone can do this better

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The parts doesn’t really mix toghether it must look more natural

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Something more like this but without the regigigas parts

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white meadow
eager jungle
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i have a concept, i just need to do it

cobalt nebula
fringe forge
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We better get a regis triple fusion

full ether
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That would be epic they are of same power similar to the others so it would make sense to do that

mystic rivet
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Aesthetically awesome, but defensively may as well be made of tissue paper

full ether
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Eh oh well at least it would look cool right

cobalt nebula
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It should have a joke Alt that has it wearing a shirt with a No fighting type symbol on it

full ether
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Haha ooh that would be goood

coral solar
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Ahoy lads, I took a break from the internet yesterday, what news is there

cinder oasis
coral solar
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Delightful

marsh yew
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Triple Regi fusion has Registeel's stats by the way

glossy goblet
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so...only one mon remains to be revealed
here's hoping it's a mythical or legendary

marsh yew
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Regice head/Regirock body is kinda neat, 166 Defenses and 83 Offenses... too bad it has the worst defensive type ever

sullen elbow
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worse than ice/rock?

lofty spindle
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...isn't it exactly that?

cinder oasis
coral solar
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Slapping the absolute worst defensive type combo in the game on top of a mon with absolute god tier defensive stats is exactly the kind of contradictory play GameFreak would actually make

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looks pointedly at H-Avalugg

hollow quest
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PLA had some great typings

cinder oasis
hollow quest
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then came ice/rock and fire/rock

cinder oasis
hollow quest
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at least normal/ghost was good

dry nest
cinder oasis
dry nest
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Cool design though

hollow quest
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hisuian zoroark was just one of GF's best designs period

marsh yew
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H-Arcanine is a good usage of Fire/Rock, because it is a madlad with high attack and decent speed, Rock Head, and STAB Flare Blitz and Head Smash

silent acorn
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Offensive rock. Throw the rock!

hollow quest
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fixed most of normal zoroark's problems, slapped a great move on it and gave an even better typing

better yet, it looks badass

silent acorn
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If you are gonna have lots of weakness may as well take out as much as possible with you

cinder oasis
hollow quest
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still, a double 4x weakness really isn't good, unless it's lunala because i'm biased

hollow quest
coral solar
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I just wish I understood the logic.

"Okay team, these Hisuian forms are our chance to improve some mons that are extremely underused by players. On the docket is Avalugg, who's problem is that he's supposed to be a defensive mon, but has the worst defensive type in the game. How do we made its regional form better?"

"We could change it from an ice-type to something that has more resistances?"

"Stupid idea, you're fired. Next!"

"How about we give it an extra type, and make that type the second worst defensive type in the game?"

"GENIUS! You, promoted to board of directors!"

cinder oasis
cinder oasis
cobalt nebula
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So many cool Regi fusions in so happy.

hollow quest
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unfortunately h-arcanine has two more weaknesses to worry about, unlike lunala

marsh yew
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Regional variants do nothing to the base 'mon tho; Alolan Ninetales does nothing to regular Ninetales beyond sharing a dex number and thus not being usable in the same team in anything multiplayer

coral solar
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It really is unfortunate that Rock/Ice, Ice/Steel, and Rock/Steel are ALL terrible defensive typings, considering the Regis are all about having high defense.

cinder oasis
marsh yew
hollow quest
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i'd rather use the original

heavy bison
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Bingo bongo

marsh yew
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Lunala has a bad typing both defensively and offensively, but an incredible ability

heavy bison
cinder oasis
marsh yew
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Dawn Wings Necrozma is just inferior to Lunala due to the ability

sullen elbow
marsh yew
cinder oasis
sullen elbow
hollow quest
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i love lunala greatly but i rarely use it

cinder oasis
coral solar
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Lunala is the canon true form of Nebby and no one can change my mind

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Also if you didn't name your Lunala/Solgaleo Nebby then you're playing the game wrong

hollow quest
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lunala is one of my favorite legendaries period

heavy bison
coral solar
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Never having used one is still better than using one and naming it incorrectly

heavy bison
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I'm gonna name mine Debby

hollow quest
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truthfully i think gen 7 had the highest amount of legendaries i truly liked of the games, which was 4*

*depends on how you view the necrozma forms

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but i guess it's a little unfair because it had quite a few

coral solar
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I am glad that they stopped trying to introduce 10+ legendaries into every new gen. I loved Gen4 and Gen5 but the pantheons were kinda ridiculous

upper talon
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i want them to put wishiwashi into the game

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its one of my fav pokemon

cinder oasis
coral solar
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Inb4 they make a region based on Ancient Rome/Greece and they add a new legendary for every god of Olympus

upper talon
# cinder oasis That's crazy

i wonder how they would do that they may just put them into one slot but the wishiwashi school form is a another pokemon they may do it like the eveelution

cinder oasis
coral solar
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Nah, Wishiwashi school form would still be one slot. It just wouldn't change sprites, like how they handled Aegislash

heavy bison
upper talon
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but it would have been cool

heavy bison
sullen elbow
cyan hare
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anyone got the post with all the hints for the treasure hunt a few days ago

heavy bison
coral solar
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Having fewer legendaries per game allows them to further expand on the amount of lore and plot-relevance per capita. The worst thing about Gen5 having three whole sets of legendary trios, as well as 3 mythicals, is that most of those mons never got enough explanation as to just what the f*** they are or what their history is.

hollow quest
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they did zygarde so dirty

coral solar
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The Swords of Justice are... old heroes who turned into horses? I think? And the Forces of Nature are... weird... cloud... genies? Who all hate each other... but they also work together... and... they all have wind powers but one of them has SUPER wind power and one of them has earth powers and... 🤷

heavy bison
sullen elbow
hollow quest
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the swords of justice and the genies....wow i forgot or don't care about them often

heavy bison
hollow quest
coral solar
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Man anyone remember the Swords of Justice movie?

...............

Me either.

heavy bison
coral solar
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Anyone remember how the anime introduced Kyurem in a movie that had absolutely nothing to do with either Reshiram/Zekrom or Team Plasma?

hollow quest
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idk never watched the anime, i just know they disrespected my dear ribbon snake

coral solar
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Honestly I think the XYZ/Zygarde arc of Kalos was handled fairly well. As good as it could have been handled, anyways, considering they had zero game content to base it off of

heavy bison
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That was the problem tho, it was just like " here have this transformer snake ditto grandpappy pokemon that's a legendary without it's full form even being revealed"

coral solar
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That was the games, not the anime. The anime did the Zygarde mystery/buildup really well. The Gen6 games were clearly going to make Zygarde the main focus of a third installment, but GameFreak backpedaled on that when XY got very poor reception and instead slapped what they'd already made into the next generation games just so it wouldn't go to waste

amber barn
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How many slots for the dex are there left?

marsh yew
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Kalos was built with Pokemon Z in mind, and Zygarde being turned into a SM sidequest was an utter shame

coral solar
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The transition to 3D was the worst thing that ever happened to Pokemon I think. It marked the dawn of the "new generation announced every three years with games released in time for the holiday season no matter how much crunch is needed" trend.

marsh yew
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XY didn't get "very poor reception" tho, they focused on getting a new gen for the 20th anniversary

marsh yew
coral solar
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k

marsh yew
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Franchise has ALWAYS been that way

imagen.png
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For the last 28 years, the only years without MSG content being released were 1997, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2011 and 2015... and the release cycle was still ongoing due to localizations taking a long while; Red and Blue released in Europe a month before the Japanese release of Gold and Silver, for instance; Europe saw the release of the ENTERITY of gens I and II within 26 months

thorny ferry
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I don't think the reason why the newest games are worse is the time between releases, but the amount of effort they have to put in considering how small the dev team is

prime dust
silent acorn
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In fact smaller studios are starting to catchup and pokemon is just drawing itself into a corner with the current quality of releases

coral solar
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Remember everyone, GameFreak is definitely a very small indie studio that doesn't have the money, resources, or manpower to release big polished games

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Not like their flagship series is the highest grossing franchise in the history of the entire world or anything

silent acorn
thorny ferry
silent acorn
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Did you know gamefreak had time to do DMCs with coupons? Crazy right?

thorny ferry
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They are like 50 people max

silent acorn
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Pokemon be using real motor 1 rendition

thorny ferry
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Not even a single buggy game will be as funny as skate 3

silent acorn
coral solar
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The biggest crime of all really.

If Nintendo wants to release mainline games every few years with smaller filler titled in-between then they need to fund a bigger dev team for GameFreak. If they want to only have a smaller team assigned then Nintendo needs to back off and give them more time between games. As things are Nintendo's ambition is outpacing what's realistically possible.

thorny ferry
silent acorn
coral solar
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It doesn't help that modern technology has made it possible for companies to release unfinished products and then just "fix it in post"

thorny ferry
silent acorn
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True. But like... Let it be playable

I don't care how many googly eye bugs there are as long as the content is worth it lol

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Like the day pokken tournament with every pokemon is possible is gonna be the days of glory

coral solar
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I miss Pokken

silent acorn
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Like you explore as your trainer then you sent out your mon and switch to play as them with fighting game or dark souls quality combat, it's gonna be beautiful

coral solar
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Pokemon MMO wen

prime dust
coral solar
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I cannot fathom why. That shit would be a money-printing machine

silent acorn
prime dust
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because mmos taken years if not a decade to make; with 0 guarantee of finacial return

silent acorn
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God no. Please no, no, no, no, no NO, NO NO, NO,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

prime dust
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likely the game would be kept afloat by whales and bots selling whatever the in game currency is

silent acorn
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Boy. I wanna play as my pokemon, not play with other doods who wanna pvp me the whole time that's not fun

prime dust
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they'd likely have a means to auto-turn down pvp stuff for a pokemon mmo

coral solar
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Let me live in my utopia fantasy world in which there exists a well-made, constantly-updated Pokemon MMO

prime dust
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so you can't get hell spammed with it

silent acorn
coral solar
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Hey you can socialize in MMOs. In fact it's easier to do so than in real life.

thorny ferry
prime dust
silent acorn
prime dust
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i can guarantee each region would be expansion content; so they'd start the mmo in kanto; that'd be us playing just that region for 3-5 years til johto hits

silent acorn
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FREEMION

thorny ferry
coral solar
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Most MMOs experience dropoffs because the dev teams behind them don't listen to consumer feedback and/or don't regularly update the game (or in the case of WoW, because the company is run by a bunch of idiotic monkeys in suits)

silent acorn
prime dust
silent acorn
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The dreams of pokesouls is dead
Illusions are dead
Consumed by the empty hearts
Avarice destroyed the paradise
To make heaven for some

coral solar
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I mean. Fair point. Come to think of it, that's probably the main reason they haven't done so yet. Making a full-scale MMO would mean actually having to listen to their fans.

prime dust
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yeah

silent acorn
coral solar
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Insomniac lmoa

silent acorn
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This is the next step and if a company takes it, pokemon would be dead fish

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Like it would still have the monster turn based niche but less so

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Hyperrealistic parallax pokemon

prime dust
flat herald
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Fromsoft would make the game subtly horror related and hard.

silent acorn
coral solar
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FromSoft is capable of making non-horror stuff.

silent acorn
coral solar
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If they desperately need to get their rocks off then they have an entire lineup of Ghost mons to play with

flat herald
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I’d kill to play an unsettling pokemon MMO

whole nimbus
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Hey I've been meaning to ask, is there any chance that staff picks could end up including the new Gen 9 evos for Girafarig, Bisharp and Dunsparce?

coral solar
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Nope

prime dust
whole nimbus
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Darn

coral solar
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Not for the current version of PIF anyways.

prime dust
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not for any version of IF unless someone makes a sequel/spin off

flat herald
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Frogman is a god of optimization so it’s still up in the air for that, but from what I’m seeing, most likely too much for the game

prime dust
flat herald
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I vaguely remember it.

prime dust
whole nimbus
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Fair enough

coral solar
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They have to draw the line somewhere after all, otherwise the game will have no conceivable end point

flat herald
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I’m just hopeful. Let me have hope damnit!

But yeah I’ve seen that.

coral solar
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It's fine, Gen 7 was the best generation mechanically anyways

whole nimbus
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It would've been cool to at least have Kingambit

coral solar
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Kingambit is smaller than normal ass Bisharp and I will never forgive it for that

prime dust
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short of someone else making their own version of IF, which Frogman has given the okay for...

flat herald
prime dust
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no it wouldn't

whole nimbus
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Z moves were carried by looks and even then it was iffy

coral solar
prime dust
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they would have still replaced it with another gimmick...which they did

flat herald
prime dust
whole nimbus
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That's something I hated. Ultra and Eternamax basically don't exist anymore

coral solar
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Tbf the new generational gimmick has always gotten better and better with each installment. Terastal>Dynamax>Z-Moves>Megas.

It's just a shame that each new gimmick is baked lorewise into whatever the new region is, preventing it from spreading into future games.

flat herald
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Ultra exists but in Showdowns only.

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Eternamax NEVER existed other than a scripted boss fight that you have to try to lose to and still probably can’t.

whole nimbus
coral solar
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Mechanically, Z-Moves are better than Megas.

Everyone can agree that aesthetically, Megas were peak

flat herald
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this is a joke that’s just my opinion lol

coral solar
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Ya'll keep gassing up megas but we all know that shit was imbalanced as fuck

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Swampert and Lucario are my GOATs and I still acknowledge their megas have no right existing

flat herald
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Megas had a LOT of baked-in gimmicks to do per mega evolution, which is why I ranked it the highest.

There are mega evos built solely around certain setups and such, and then there’s Mega Mawile and Mega Medicham with the biggest BULLSHIT I’ve seen

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Then there’s some mons whose mega abilities are kinda wack and serve less purpose than they probably should, but the mon itself has jacked stats to compensate…

coral solar
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Maybe if they'd stuck to what they advertised Megas as and actually only gave them to mons who needed them.

As opposed to slapping 100 extra BST and a broken ability on every already-popular mon there was.

THEN maybe Megas would have been fair and balanced.

flat herald
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I am biased towards Mega Sharpedo. Strong Jaw with that mon is peak except that Aqua Jet is less physically reliable then

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Crustle mega when?

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actually no that’d sound like some demon holding up a continent…

So bug Regigigas (:

coral solar
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Like, Mega Beedrill? Mega Audino? Mega Kangaskhan? Mega Camerupt? Those are what we all expected and wanted Megas to be.

No one needed or wanted Mega Garchomp, Mega Salamence, Mega Metagross, Mega Tyranitar, Mega Lucario, etc.

stone cliff
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I can forgive megas for two reasons

coral solar
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True. Fabio Ampharos and Cotton Puff Altaria are precious wonders

acoustic jacinth
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i miss mega audino ;3

flat herald
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I like gimmick mons more than ones that look cool

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Especially wall stall.

I wish to remain a cheesy bastard.

coral solar
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Mega Audino had a vision and a goal.
A shame that even being a mega specifically designed to thrive in doubles wasn't enough to let in shine in VGC

stone cliff
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Do we have an actual cheese pokemon yet?

coral solar
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Do you count Miltank

sharp nebula
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regional applin when

flat herald
stone cliff
flat herald
coral solar
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The S/V evo for Applin is a dipped caramel apple

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Because sure, divergent evolution, why the fuck not

flat herald
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And is very hard to use as well, like all the others.

sharp nebula
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thats not a regional form

unkempt stone
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Introducing the Regis into the game has made for some cool fusions and I feel like it was worth it

flat herald
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or is just mediocre. Supposedly it’s got in the files another evo at some point but I’m already tired of live service stuff…

stone cliff
unkempt stone
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I always got the feeling Regi fusions would look really cool

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Also it just feels right now to have Regigigas reunited with all its children, well almost all of them

coral solar
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Oh yeah, the Regis are wonderful bois and I'm 100% gonna use them.

I just wish they were better mechanically, but that's not gonna stop me.

stone cliff
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I'm honestly shocked they got in over some of the other choices though, considering what they were up against lol

flat herald
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Registeel is my homie.

coral solar
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They won because of memes.

stone cliff
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Well, a win is a win heehee

coral solar
stone cliff
coral solar
unkempt stone
sharp nebula
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okay the regi fans are here ill head out

coral solar
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I will never forget how they gave every other legendary in the movies actual majestic animal-sounding cries but then they gave the Regis failed Windows startup noises

flat herald
coral solar
flat herald
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Regigigas and Slaking are both one of my favorites of all time.

Can’t you tell I like absurd attack statted pokemon?

lofty spindle
flat herald
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Normalize Normal type love

coral solar
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Normal types are phenomenal

flat herald
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They’re all super gimmicky but their movepool and overall usefulness is great.

Except for some rare exceptions that are made to be terrible XD

sharp nebula
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yeah meloetta is great

coral solar
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I love that in a world filled with superpowered living nukes in the guise of animals, there are some mons that are special because they're just a bird. Or just a squirrel. Or just a rat.

unkempt stone
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I have to wonder how the Regi's Shinies will look with how Infinite fusion handles shiny colors

stone cliff
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Wait, Alfredo

lofty spindle
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I love these designs btw.

stone cliff
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Kinda surprised we don't have a cheese pokemon yet

potent dock
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They're saving that for the wisconsin based region, which is obviously coming at some point

prime dust
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eh, they'd have to do the entire us as a region, not just one state

coral solar
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Eh, if they do another USA region then it's more likely to be something based on the west coast. California and all that shiz. Deserts, Los Angeles, etc.

lofty spindle
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We already have US state Hawaii.

stone cliff
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If they can divide Japan into 3, they can divide the US into a few lol

cerulean zenith
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We also got New York

coral solar
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And Unova is based specifically off of New York and the surrounding area, not the U.S. as a whole

stone cliff
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PNW would be nice

prime dust
coral solar
stone cliff
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Hell, Washington itself has two or three distinct biomes

cerulean zenith
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Nah that's Kalos

prime dust
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i might be mixing regions up; i require food

coral solar
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But I'd say a China-based region is most likely next on the docket at this point. That or Australia.

lofty spindle
robust geyser
cinder oasis
robust geyser
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Water the water type

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Fight againt the Fight type

flat herald
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agagagagag

cerulean zenith
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Spongebob me boy

stone cliff
green yew
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Because Steel and Dragon are a part of the mix to take on a good chunk of resistances.

cobalt nebula
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Enough about what pokemone you want to fill the last slot. What pokemon do you not want? Sow the seeds of conflict.

stoic canopy
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bruxish or luvdisc.

silent acorn
coral solar
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Comfey

drowsy drift
coral solar
brisk vessel
drowsy drift
stoic canopy
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What that weird monkey thing? I think it’s like electric and fighting? I’m change mine to that one.

coral solar
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Oh shit yeah, speaking of monkeys

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No elemental monkeys please

stoic canopy
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Oh god yes! Can we vote to never allow any of them in?

prisma willow
coral solar
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Oh that's RIGHT.

Even better, they could make a region based on LA and even reference the gamecube games at some point

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Who here is old enough to remember Colosseum and Gale of Darkness?

prisma willow
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Yes

silent acorn
stoic canopy
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Remember, yes, played, no.

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Because look at them…

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The only one I’d ever want is the water one and only at gun point.

mystic rivet
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Because the monkeys are twice as many slots

silent acorn
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Monkeys are valid

mystic rivet
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I don't mind them as pokemon, but they aren't exactly exciting for the sake of fusion.

silent acorn
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I am starting the monkey cult

green yew
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Time for someone to start a Freeza cult I guess.

stone cliff
silent acorn
stoic canopy
silent acorn
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Join the cult to give freeza his monkeys

stone cliff
silent acorn
stone cliff
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They do fill him with joy

green yew
silent acorn
green yew
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I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what a Freeza cult is supposed to be asking for.

stoic canopy
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i mean he kills them all in the end sooo...sure? i guess i support this if he kills all of the elm monkeys. all hail lord frieza!

silent acorn
silent acorn
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||Monkeys begone||

pale flame
silent acorn
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Insider info
||Regis are being removed and it was a troll||

tame flax
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Well frieza is now back ||and black||

onyx bluff
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He beat the allegations O:

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Or a case of, can't beat em, join em xD Not sure which xD

silent acorn
white meadow
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DEFIANCE STATEMENT

pale flame
prime dust
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never joke about hurting someone

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please delete that

serene juniper
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How many slots do we have left?

ebon glacier
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community: 1 slot
trevenant event: 1 line
spriter blitz event: 1 line
event raffle pick: 1 line

serene juniper
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What's the tevenenant event? I thought we already had Trevenant confirmed?

prime dust
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someone from the phantump/trevenant rush gets added into the winners raffle...they don't get their own pick

serene juniper
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I see

wet radish
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Do you think the triple fusion of the gen 3 regis is gonna be called Regisolid?

alpine rune
brisk vessel
prime dust
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not really an event to win, i think anyone who made a phantump or trevenant sprite [in either direction, and only 1 entry counts] gets a chance to be plopped into the winner's raffle

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least that is the way I understood it

brisk vessel
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Yea
Winner clueless

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Its the same kind as like
Lottery winner

Still technically "won"

alpine rune
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So uhh

prime dust
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tomato potato

loud sorrel
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who are we hoping for for this final slot?

brisk vessel
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Melo-

loud sorrel
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if they can fit its two forms into one slot then itd be a great pick

brisk vessel
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Battle Forms only count as 1 slot for the entire mon (like Aegislash) so should be fine clueful

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At least that's what frogman said

loud sorrel
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yeah honestly meloettas really popular
i can see it happening

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unless of course we get some random pokemon that few people will be satisfied with lol

brisk vessel
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Necrozma is another possibility but I'm hoping he's a bonus mon since it wouldn't make sense to add him without the cosmog line

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Since fusing with them is his entire gimmick clueless

loud sorrel
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mmyeah

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theyre sort of a package deal

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also i dont think itll be an ultra beast or anything
cause i think those all require a certain event for them to appear
like a wormhole or something idk havent played the games yet
so itd require more effort to add in one
maybe theyll get in as an ultra beast group later on idk

brisk vessel
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True

loud sorrel
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i was sorta hoping for something like zeraora or magearna or something
but i guess itll ahve to wait
though i do think they'll end it off on a big bombshell reveal
so probably meloetta lol

lean wing
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Since they did go out of their way to pin the message that multiple forms takes up 1 slot, there’s a good chance that one of the new pokemons that will be added into the game will have multiple forms. I just find it strange they will pin that message and not have any new pokemons without any form changes (unless that’s just a FAQ that too many people were asking)

cinder oasis
lean wing
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I don’t think the previous announced pokemons have any form changes, so this last slot is most likely a pokémon with form change. Especially a legendary one after the regi trio

loud sorrel
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maybe meloetta
or something else idk

lean wing
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Necrozma and Meloetta both have multiple forms and are legendaries. It could be either of them.

loud sorrel
#

though as previously mentioned, necrozma's whole deal is fusing with the cosmog line's pokemon
and yknow, this game is basically centered around pokemon fusions
so theyd have to all be added at once
and i doubt theyd do that here, maybe in the future
so by that logic meloetta becomes the most likely candidate

brisk vessel
#

They would probably save Necrozma for like a bonus finale along with the cosmog line

loud sorrel
#

probably yeah

#

so it seems like the most likely pokemon to get in in the future are the starter sets and the cosmog line+necrozma

#

if they were reaching the point of limited slots those are teh ones i predict theyd add first

brisk vessel
#

The new mon limit is greatly increased so I can definitely see Necrozma and Cosmog being like a big finale event

#

But since there's not enough slots to accommodate them for the community vote I have hope for meloetta

ebon glacier
#

cryogonal when? 😛

brisk vessel
#

I don't think we can get cryogonal sadly

loud sorrel
#

not popular enough lol

brisk vessel
#

In terms of non legendaries/mythicals cryogonal is my #3 clueless (right behind Archeops and Golisopod)

ebon glacier
#

hoping for lyranroc and meloetta happo

brisk vessel
bitter comet
#

I am going to estimate that the sprite poll mon will be announced next week

loud sorrel
#

Bit of a shame that they aren’t going past Gen 7
Woulda liked to see the galar fossils and hatterene
But I guess they gotta draw a line somewhere

proud lion
bitter comet
late thunder
loud sorrel
#

Idk just leave those mechanics and problem pokemon out or something

#

Galar fossil fusions would’ve been so fun omg

prime dust
brisk vessel
#

Its eternatover bros,,,,,

loud sorrel
#

Well at least hisui variants can appear as alternate sprites

earnest scroll
#

I mean I’d be for it even if they had to skip gen 8 moves from move pools. I’d like the lines that continued in later gens to be completed

prime dust
late thunder
earnest scroll
#

Exactly

loud sorrel
#

I hope they reveal the last Pokémon and release the full update soon
It’s been a long time coming

dusty heron
#

cryogonal is the most boring mon ever

cinder oasis
wintry imp
#

With my last dying breath, I will defend this creature

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loud sorrel
#

I’d like turtonator more if it’s face and mouth didn’t look bad lol
And yeah minior is a good choice too

late thunder
wintry imp
#

I'd argue that Seel is the most boring pokemon.

loud sorrel
wintry imp
#

It's a seal. named seel. that's it. I guess it has the benefit of evolving?

loud sorrel
#

There are plenty of bird Pokémon that qualify for most boring lol

wintry imp
#

True. Pidov comes to mind

loud sorrel
#

I’ll never get why they needed two separate families of basic bird in Gen 1 lol
Pidgey and spearow

wintry imp
#

They didn't think Pokemon was going to get as big as it did at the time

prime dust
wintry imp
#

Pidgey is boring but tbh also iconic at this stage. Mainly for Pidgeot.

Spearow can vanish into the aether tho

loud sorrel
#

Spearow needs a stage 3 evolution to become relevant again

slim otter
slim otter
bitter comet
loud sorrel
#

Pidgey gets a three stage evo line while spearow only gets two stages
That’s not very fair is it lol

slim otter
#

Mega Fearow? seye

loud sorrel
#

Searow
Fire/flying type lol

slim otter
#

We have cranes where I live that kinda look like fearow

#

Bearow
Bear/Flying type huehue

#

Gearow
Steel/Flying type

#

Jeerow
Dark/Flying type

loud sorrel
#

Nah jirou is from my hero academia lol

slim otter
#

Nearow
He's really close

slim otter
loud sorrel
#

It’s signature move is leer lol

slim otter
#

Pearow
Grass/Flying type

#

Rearow
the parental bird pokemon

#

Tearow
he has depression gentlyholds

loud sorrel
#

Yearow
The time bird pokemon

slim otter
#

Wearow
Commonly found on clothing

loud sorrel
#

Earow
The corn bird pokemon

slim otter
#

Pharow
The egyptian bird pokemon

loud sorrel
#

Beerow
Bug/flying bee bird pokemon
Or alternatively the alcohol bird pokemon lol

slim otter
#

Zearow
he is nothing

loud sorrel
#

Herow
The heroic bird pokemon

slim otter
#

Searow
Water/Flying type

#

Tearow
He has depression, but copes by drinking tea

loud sorrel
#

Deerow
Deer bird

slim otter
#

Sherow
Female-only regional variant

#

Farow
The opposite of Nearow

loud sorrel
#

Shearow
Steel/flying
Really good against grass types

slim otter
#

Steerow
he can drive a car

loud sorrel
#

Veerow
He’s bad at driving a car

slim otter
#

Gyrow
tasty

loud sorrel
#

Pyrow
Fire/flying
Like burning things

Ok I’m done you can keep going though lol

slim otter
#

Peerow
He squints at everything

#

Eerow
Kinda creepy

#

Drearow
very gloomy

#

Fleerow
His ability is Run Away

brisk vessel
dusty heron
brisk vessel
#

I have my methods

#

Iceternatus will be real

loud sorrel
#

I feel like there’s be pokemon better suited for that
Like a spider Pokémon of some kind
Don’t see how cryogonal is gonna contribute to an eternity’s design

stone cliff
#

I would argue that one of the Porygons + Rayquaza would be closer

#

If we end up with Poipole/Naganadel, I'd go for that

loud sorrel
#

you know what other pokemon id like to see added
some more four legged/fish like pokemon that would make for good centaur/mermaid fusions
mudsdale comes to mind
you could create some awesome centaur fusions with that

stone cliff
#

I feel like the only Mon better than Milotic for mermaids would be Primarina

loud sorrel
#

exactly
shed be the perfect mermaid component
could make most any pokemon a mermaid with her
unfortunately to get her we need three sets of starters to be added
which seems unlikely
and if not itll take a while

stone cliff
#

I would definitely like to see Mudsdale tho, even if they missed the obvious Clodsdale with the name

loud sorrel
#

oh well
only time will tell if we'll see them in game

stone cliff
#

I'd imagine the last votemon is gonna be Mythical/Legendary, so it would probably have to be either the Contest Winner Raffle or Spriter Poll

loud sorrel
#

i hope they reveal it soon

stone cliff
#

Should be Saturday

loud sorrel
#

hope so
cant wait to play the update
also i hear that they changed the way you need to update the game
or something about how sprites are loaded in?
idk ill figure it out when we get there

stone cliff
#

They revamped the way fusions work, that I know for sure. The rest I haven't paid much attention to lol

prime dust
#

the installer is just to make updating easier

and the fusion rework is how we got the dex expansion

#

they may have coincided...not 100% sure

stone cliff
#

I'm wondering if they found a way for fusions to be generated in-engine

prime dust
#

from my understanding it was a change in how the game sees/stores fusions

#

without that we'd still be limited to the 420 dex

loud sorrel
#

i always forget how to update the game
i remember it being a bit of a hassle to update the game before
so thatll be fun to experience again

prime dust
#

the new way is just run the installer again

stone cliff
#

If you have 5.0+ I think all you do is run the updateorinstall bat file

prime dust
#

before you had to download the patch and copy/pasta what was in the patch into your existing infinite fusion folder

prime dust
stone cliff
#

Ah, nevermind then lol

prime dust
#

yeah, if you have a version from before 5.3, it'd just be easier to delete your infinite fusion folder and do a fresh download of the infinite fusion zip file

#

and if by some reason you have a pre 5.0...why did you download a version that is like 2+ years old

loud sorrel
#

so if you have a version thats post 5.3 does it automatically update or what do you need to do

prime dust
#

you should have either an update batch file or an install_or_update batch file in your infinite fusion folder

#

just run that; for the former, it creates a new folder inside the infinite fusion folder where the update sits, the latter just updates your existing stuff with no extra nonsense

loud sorrel
#

got it

#

so just run the install or update batch file and itll update the game

prime dust
#

yep

#

if you wanna download the monthly sprite packs, that's up to you [since all downloads of the game are dynamic now]

loud sorrel
#

ok
so monthly sprite packs are manual download

prime dust
#

they are optional, a lot of people grab them because either they like playing IF without the download sprites option on, or they may have spotty/bad internet

loud sorrel
#

ok then

#

man this new batch of sprites is gonna be so good
we've got a ton of new pokemon with a ton of fusions made for each of them
i know trevenant has gotten a lot of attention
its gonna be great

prime dust
#

of course it has...there's a rush going on

#

last i checked it was mostly head fusions for both phantump and trevenant [somewhere in the upper 300 range] while body was still a little low [mid-high 100 range]

#

or...was it the other way around...i forget

loud sorrel
#

its gonna be so good
i do wonder how theyre gonna fit in the new legendaries being added
like what sort of event are they gonna have to bring them in

prime dust
#

🤷‍♂️

loud sorrel
#

i guess theyll announce that with the final announcement for the update

prime dust
#

they may not announce where things are...let players figure it out

loud sorrel
#

or i guess we can go to the bot commands to ask how to find it
im sure theyll let us know

alpine rune
#

I wonder if kiwi actually still has skeletons in the previous closet

#

like she hid another mon and we just stopped the treasure hunt once we found the regis

loud sorrel
#

well idk where else to go after the regis
all hints are accounted for and there werent any new ones right?

prisma willow
#

Maybe Lili-oh...

#

oh...

#

Maybe Meloetta or Diance I guess.

loud sorrel
#

most likely meloetta
but diance is also a possibility

#

we have a week to speculate

prisma willow
#

Regi's just destroying my hopes and dreams.

loud sorrel
#

im more surprised they werent in there to begin with
like with regigigas

dull root
#

Seems like Necrozma is likely

loud sorrel
#

they need to release necrozma alongside the cosmog evo line
cause necrozma fusing with the cosmog pokemon is kind of a big deal

prisma willow
#

Why would people want the trio when we already have the better Regi in the game?

alpine rune
#

I like how the melo people are in ruins

loud sorrel
alpine rune
#

I'm so all for this. It would be hillarious if its cresellia

loud sorrel
#

cresellia wouldnt be a terrible pick

prisma willow
loud sorrel
#

im not talking cometitively
im talking about how popular they are as legendary pokemon
and theyre pretty popular

prisma willow
#

Fuse the trio together and you have a Registeel with horrible typing

loud sorrel
#

we might actually see a triple fusion of them lol
which would be cool regardless of its typing

prisma willow
#

And they'd evaporate from a single double kick

loud sorrel
#

true
but itd still look really cool
could keep it in the box as a cool trophy of sorts

dull root
#

Let's be honest. The stats and abilities are important when considering what pokemon should be added. But they're also farthest from most people's minds when they consider what they want added

alpine rune
loud sorrel
#

i think quad fusions will be a bit too much for this game lol

#

imagine if triple fusions were a regular thing that you could do with any pokemon though lol

#

thatd raise the fusion count astronomically lol

stone cliff
loud sorrel
#

itd be a nightmare for the devs

#

basically sending them to the underworld that giratina lives in lol

#

i honestly dont think a computer would be able to store all the information for all the fusions
unless it was like downloaded/generated a la carte when needed
idk how it works with the current version

vapid yew
#

Is there 1 more pokemon being added or have all been added?

loud sorrel
#

one more being added
then the update rolls out
then fun times

vapid yew
#

frick yeah

#

it one more pokemon, not one more evolution line, right? Or am I capping?

stone cliff
#

Well, one more votemon, then one line from the Spriter Poll and the Contest Winner Raffle

loud sorrel
#

oh really?

#

so, one more voted
one line from spriter poll
and one line from the contest raffle?

stone cliff
#

Correct

vapid yew
#

Me over here praying for Vespiqueen/Combee, or at least Toxicroak/Croagunk

loud sorrel
stone cliff
#

Vote Mon is single stage and most likely mythical or legendary

vapid yew
#

I was hoping for rowlet, ngl, but I am glad we did get an abundance of pokemon

loud sorrel
#

i kinda hope they all get announced at once instead of it being spread out, delaying the update release

stone cliff
#

Yeah, depending on what gets chosen we could be looking at 3 more or like 10 more lol

loud sorrel
vapid yew
#

yeah, they had them on the vote thing which is why I was surprised they were like "Sure, lets do it" then "nahhhhh, jk"

stone cliff
#

A starter line may be in the running for the raffle, we're not sure what the rules on that are I don't think

pseudo pilot
#

Is there regigigas?

loud sorrel
#

regigigas is already in game

pseudo pilot
#

Ok thx

vapid yew
#

I forgor where to get them tho

loud sorrel
#

just search it up on bot-commands

vapid yew
#

totes

loud sorrel
#

man i was hoping for a starter set to get in too
it wouldve been awesome
but they do take up 9 slots and i guess they wanted to save em for other pokemon

#

but they did say that they might get in later
we can only hope

#

they are definitely gonna start with the gen 5 starters
cause it wouldnt make sense to skip around like that
and there would probably be an enevent tied to them cause starters are such a big deal

sterile verge
#

I think the Regis are neat and I'm glad they got in over some other stuff

prisma willow
#

I feel the biggest reason for the backlash against the Regis is that their announcement meant that every pokemon in the running that had an evolution got eliminated.

loud sorrel
#

any pokemon that took that slot would be hated for that reason
if a pokemon took the third to last slot that eliminates all three stage evos
if it takes the second to last slot it eliminates all evo lines entirely
and the last spot obviously has a lot of high hopes for it
if this pokemon is gonna take the place of all my favorites it better be a good one

prisma willow
#

With Registeel being the only serviceable one out of the three and the other two being primary examples of Gamefreak insisting on making slow, defensive tanks out of types that are great offensively, but terrible defensively.

loud sorrel
#

they probably need reworks
i think a lot of pokemon could use reworks

prisma willow
#

By probably you mean definitely. The ice typing needs to be given resistances to be viable along with rock to a lesser degree. And/or just stop making slow pokemon that have types that can't take a hit.

tranquil path
#

if ice resisted water it wouldnt be such a laughing stock

prisma willow
#

As is, those types are something that needs to be worked around instead of worked with.

loud sorrel
#

i feel like some types could use rebalancing
like rework the type chart to rebalance weaknesses and reistances
maybe even add in another type or two
havent had a new type in a while

prisma willow
#

My idea was to have ice resist water, electricity (which ice does not conduct), and flying while also being super effective against steel on the basis of metal weakening due to thermal shock (basically having steel and ice be weak against each other).

loud sorrel
#

maybe

prisma willow
#

Being super effective against steel is more of a stretch though.

loud sorrel
#

im not super worried about ice being broken or anything
i think those changes make sense

tranquil path
#

ice was always meant to be more offensive oriented so i feel too many resists would be overkill, but having a water ice type tank a full power water spount from the most ideal kyogre would be nice

loud sorrel
#

idk if ice of all things should have a lot of resistances

prisma willow
#

That is true, and I didn't say a lot, just some. Having something else besides grass and ground that can resist water and electricity respectively would be nice.

tranquil path
#

cant dragon resist elec

loud sorrel
#

it can yeah

prisma willow
#

My mistake, but it still stands both water and electricity have only two types that resist them.

tranquil path
#

oh wait i misread that post

loud sorrel
#

i feel like the fairy/bug interaction should be reversed
fairy is really powerful and bug is very much not
so why does fairy resist bug
why cant bug hit fairy super effectively
giving it another strength while keeping a stronger type in check

tranquil path
#

ok the fairy bug interaction is THE most headass desicion of type matchups ive ever seen

loud sorrel
#

gameplay balancing wise it makes no sense
like youre really gonna give bug types another thing that resists it
instead of giving it another purpose

paper merlin
#

Still think Bug should be super effective against and resist Fairy

loud sorrel
#

Yeah that’s be a good balancing factor

white meadow
paper merlin
#

I feel like I should have voted Tinkaton

#

Idek if that was an option, all I know are the 2 mons I want the most are Tinkaton and Vikavolt

tranquil path
#

i dont think gen 8-9 mons were on the table

paper merlin
#

Makes sense tbf

sterile spoke
#

They weren't on the table, and likely aren't ever going to be. 😢

#

Unless Frogman updates IF to a more modrn version of Essentials, but even then, that only includes Gen VIII Pokémon, because it's not updated to Gen IX yet. 😅

white meadow
sterile spoke
#

If it did happen, Gen IX probably wouldn't be happening. It took I think 4 years for Gen VIII. 😅

white meadow
brisk vessel
#

Infinite Fusion 2 featuring every mon from every generation (including Luvdisc)

sterile spoke
#

Regice makes Necrozma more redundant, by the way. 😛

mystic crystal
#

Yeah; but i've resigned myself to the fact we're probably getting Necrozma as the final community pick anyway... sadbro

brisk vessel
#

I hope Necrozma is a bonus pick

#

It simply would not make sense to add him without also adding the Cosmog line (who physically can't fit in the community vote)

sterile spoke
#

Very few things can physically fit in the vote picks, at this point. 😅

prime dust
#

from my understanding Frogman has no plans to make a sequel, though has given the go ahead for any fan(s) who want to try

brisk vessel
#

Pokemon Amalgam I think

sterile spoke
#

Removing Pokémon that are part of a group or duo, our options for the last announcement would be as follows: 🙂

Gen III: Spinda, Castform, Tropius, Relicanth, Luvdisc
Gen IV: Pachirisu, Chatot, Carnivine, Heatran, Cresselia, Shaymin
Gen V: Victini, Audino, Basculin, Maractus, Sigilyph, Emolga, Alomomola, Cryogonal, Druddigon, Bouffalant, Meloetta
Gen VI: Furfrou, Dedenne, Carbink, Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion
Gen VII: Wishiwashi, Comfey, Minior, Komala, Togedemaru, Bruxish, Magearna, Marshadow, Zeraora

sharp nebula
#

i see one in there that i like

prime dust
#

sounds about right, the go ahead was given out during the 5.1 era

sterile spoke
prime dust
lost pebble
#

How many new mon slots r left?

prime dust
#

1 Community
1 Spriter Poll Mon/Line
1 Winner's Raffle Mon/Line

lost pebble
#

I still hold out hope for type:Null, the ultimate fusion to make it…. Or maybe staraptor

lost pebble
prime dust
#

for the sprite contests for the new mon reveals [not factoring in the blitz stuff, that is where the poll comes into play]

clever atlas
prime dust
#

each winner of a contest gets their name in a raffle, if you win more than one, that's just another addition of your name

someone from the trevenant rush will get thrown into that raffle as well

prime dust
#

or at least try to get it out by then

clever atlas
#

unclear number can mean 0

prime dust
#

we've already more than doubled the expected amount of mons that was originally planned

white meadow
sterile spoke
white meadow
sterile spoke
#

Plus, clouds and cotton are sprited differently, with the former distinctly having less black outlines in the Swablu line's case. 😛

brisk vessel
sterile spoke
opaque thicket
brisk vessel
#

My ears

brisk vessel
prime dust
#

you missed the memo...one is a dergin

white meadow
#

Wrong nothing reflects from Necrozma

simple gulch
#

Painless henlo @sterile spoke my fend, dont u think its time for us collab ( u will say no)

sullen elbow
prime dust
sullen elbow
simple gulch
mystic rivet
#

How many Pokemon are left that are valid for the single remaining community slot?

prime dust
#

^that post details what all remains possible with just the community vote slot

white meadow
white meadow
mystic rivet
#

I think castform, carnivine, sigilyph, carbink, and wishiwashi would be my top, non-legendary pick from each gen for the last slot.

#

But realistically if they saved the Regis for the last 3/4 slots, I imagine they want to end on a big legendary.

paper merlin
#

Looking at that list and I see like 3 that I’d enjoy. Wishiwashi, Marshadow, and Victini

#

Sad there’s no vikavolt because I’d love to see railgun fusions

mystic rivet
#

Don't we still have like one or two event bonus pulls? It's hard to keep track of everything.

paper merlin
#

Kinda surprised they didn’t include Eleki and Drago with the other Regis

mystic rivet
#

That's just from the nothing past gen7 rule

paper merlin
#

Oh yeah, keep forgetting that

#

Is Melmetal considered gen 7?

mystic rivet
#

I think I remember seeing that in the initial vote?

paper merlin
#

Makes sense

#

Melmetal Blissey scaredcat

mystic rivet
#

If we don't get them, an alt sprite for registeel/ditto should be melmetal

prime dust
#

we'll probably get the last community reveal this saturday...maybe also the reveal of the spriter poll winner

we won't see the winner raffle reveal til sometime next month

simple gulch
lofty spindle
#

Same tbh.

sterile spoke
sterile spoke
silk narwhal
lyric zenith
#

F for Necrozma

woven maple
sterile spoke
sterile spoke
silk narwhal
sterile spoke
silk narwhal
#

it wasn't in the poll, that's literally all that matters

woven maple
#

Was it in the original poll? I actually can't remember

sterile spoke
#

No, but that doesn't mean that they're not linked. 😛

lyric zenith
silk narwhal
sterile spoke
sterile spoke
silk narwhal
#

that's not the point

they aren't together in the poll, and since the poll is LITERALLY what decides the pokemon that get added, your point makes no sense

sterile spoke
#

And Ultra is then a third form that comes from those two forms. 😅

sterile spoke
silk narwhal
sterile spoke
#

No, the one Kiwi made. 🙂

lyric zenith
silk narwhal
sterile spoke
#

So less of the snark, thanks. 🙂

silk narwhal
#

wuh, what did i even do, i'm just having a discussion

sterile spoke
#

There's ways to have a discussion without being snarky. 😢

simple gulch
#

katten_flatten_lkatten_flatten_r blaq ignored me

white meadow
#

Here have a Goat

New_Piskel_1-1.png
sterile spoke
#

I'd actually quite like Stunky, but I know it's far from a popular choice. 😦

white meadow
white meadow
simple gulch
white meadow
craggy lynx
silk narwhal
sterile spoke
#

We all need to fight for Fighting-types. 🙂

silk narwhal
#

wait what's necrodo

white meadow
sterile spoke
#

Pangoro, Mienshao, anyone. 😄

#

Including my favourite Fighting-type, Ribombee. 😉

white meadow
silk narwhal
#

nah

white meadow
simple gulch
#

Thonking but a IF only Fake mon would be cool

white meadow
simple gulch
woven maple
#

What about one that's grass/ice? And a two mon evolution line? And has Snow Warning?

white meadow
craggy lynx
#

what a lovely lizard

woven maple
#

Unironically though, I don't think we should add IF original mons. The whole charm of the game is taking stuff you know and smashing them together, and that doesn't really have meaning if they're completely new.

That is a sick design though.

simple gulch
woven maple
#

But if you could add a pokemon there are already fans of (and everyone pokemon has at least a few fans), why would you instead add one that guaranteed doesn't?

prime dust
#

i mean whoever would make the fakemon is a fan

#

otherwise they wouldn't have made it

white meadow
white meadow
woven maple
white meadow
woven maple
#

Oh really? DM me the name.

lean hedge
#

Charizard and crobat XD

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woven maple
#

We've gotten heavily off topic from new pokemon haven't we?
We should talk more about the benefits of adding Abomasnow.

lean hedge
prime dust
#

so...you want a possible double battle with abomasnow and froslass to lead into death

#

yeah how bout no

woven maple
lean hedge
prime dust
# woven maple *Yes*

note this death would likely be yours because rngesus would make ominous wind activate its effect

woven maple
#

I mean sand veil is already in the game, I have no idea why snow veil would be a deal breaker

prime dust
#

froslass is why it'd be a deal breaker

lean hedge
#

Abomasnow and golurk would be a good combination

prime dust
#

because no mon that is affected by sand viel has a move that can increase all stats

woven maple
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Also, consider fusing him with a fast electric type like Raichu and volt switching out after setting up hail?

woven maple
white meadow
# white meadow

I also got some Pokémon I designed, though maybe here ain’t the best to talk about that

So instead, I’ll just talk about a Pokémon that I’d like to see added to IF

white meadow
white meadow
prime dust
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abomalass and frosnow

white meadow
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Lets talk about new Mon
I think Registeel heads should make Tech versions of Pokemon like ark tech creatures

lean hedge
white meadow
# white meadow I also got some Pokémon I designed, though maybe here ain’t the best to talk abo...

Though if anyone wants to see the Pokémon I designed, then here’s the images I posted in #artwork . The first link shows the regional bird, bug, and grass starter, while the second and third link shows the water starter and grass starter.
#artwork message
#artwork message
#artwork message

And then to bring it back to #pif-hoenn-discussion , pachirisu would be a good addition, but also necrozma would be cool to see, because the fusions could work like Dawn Wings and Dusk Mane Necrozma.

tame flax
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Sorry, Grass ghost, forgot abomasnows primary typing

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Oh God, that'd make him a terrible mon to add

white meadow
tame flax
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As a head, you'd be getting a grass type with snow warning

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As a body, you get a slow ice type

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Both of those possibilities are god awful

crimson sun
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All I’m saying is

UNUNUN

tame flax
lean hedge
sharp nebula
tame flax
sharp nebula
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its there to start hail, who cares if it lives

tame flax
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That's if you're running mono ice

white meadow
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Ngl I prever haveing 2 Aurorus fusions
One refridgerate and one Hail

sharp nebula
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a hail team is the only reason to ever want hail

white meadow
tame flax
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A lot of people play the game once and use this game as an art project, and even then some people don't even do one playthrough, some people after that do a few more runs, the amount of people doing challenge runs gets smaller from there, and of those mono ice is a smaller percentage

graceful torrent
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Honestly there’s no good hail abusers like slush rush Pokémon
The best you get is blizzard spam since 8 turns is not long enough for ice body stall

sterile spoke
graceful torrent
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I’m 100% planning on doing mono-ice once the update drops

ocean niche
graceful torrent
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Especially with new toys like Froslass and the other one, Arutous, and REGICE Gaming

tame flax
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A slow ice type is pretty much doomed to be not good

white meadow
tame flax
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Oh I know that, but with how the formula works

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You'd need to fuse abomasnow with something like deoxys or electrode as the head just to make it alright

white meadow
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Yeah but you can make the speed a bit better than it is from Aboma
Also there is trick room
And you can send it in in not super effectiv moves

tame flax
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So you'd be running both hail and trick room?

white meadow
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Why notheehee

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A super gimmik run sounds fun
Also not haveing the best mons makes the game a bigger challange

mystic crystal
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I mean, you wouldn't need hail on abomasnow anyway... it's ability sets the hail up for you mrshrug

graceful torrent
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I miss Abomasnow :(
Wish we got him instead of Aurorus

white meadow
graceful torrent
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I will say it again

white meadow
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We digged so long for it now we have it and its great

graceful torrent
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Not my hail setter

sterile spoke
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Aurorus was a great choice because its body is really cool and different enough from Meganium's. 🙂

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Abomasnow would kind of be Electivire 2. 😢

mystic crystal
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Yeah, Aurorus was the better choice, it's head allows you to make pretty veil/ice fusions and it's body cool dinosaurs

graceful torrent
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We already have cool dinosaurs

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No yetis or Christmas trees yet

white meadow
white meadow
white meadow
graceful torrent
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Aurorus only learns Aurora veil by breeding in Gen 8

white meadow
graceful torrent
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So it wouldn’t even have that niche since in Gen 7 it’s TM learn set only

white meadow
graceful torrent
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Oh look at the thumbnail what a coincidence

white meadow
white meadow
graceful torrent
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But as I’ve mentioned earlier without any slush rush users I really see no use for hail in PIF except for blizzard spam

white meadow
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Gen 7 movesets my man

graceful torrent
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I am aware

white meadow
graceful torrent
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Neither of our mons learn Aurora veil in Gen 7 naturally

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Snow cloak evasion spam?
Ice body stall for 8 turns?

white meadow
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Still aurorus is better for the job

red plaza
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Aurorus is silllyyyy:3

feral bear
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Aurorus has bones in its frills

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Really makes u think

finite thistle
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It's still pretty heavily debated whether Amargasaurus has spikes or frills on its neck.

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Regardless, I do still adore the fact that they went with such a niche sauropod

inland jewel
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they giving us a hail setter, which we are severely lacking

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the bold choice of choosing aurorus instead of the much more loved obamasnow is intruiging

prime dust
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yes but...having the pairing of fossils

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we got Tyrantrum...makes sense to get the partner Aororus

hushed mantle
weak trellis
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a-ninetales is the true hail/snow setter

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maybe vanilluxe as well now that I remember that it got it in gen 7 lol

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auroras is nice but refigerate is also cool and abomasnow is a relic of gen 4-6

white meadow
hushed mantle
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Me

inland jewel
hollow quest
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abomasnow would be kinda cool if it didn't have one of pokemon's worst type combos

inland jewel
simple gulch
simple gulch
inland jewel
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you could argue that for aurorus as well

prime dust
warm condor
white meadow
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but who the hell cares about that one

prime dust
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well maybe in a future addition if it doesn't get picked in the spriter poll or raffle

white meadow
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i would rather not

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pokemon getting added just because "they are counterparts" is just lame

prime dust
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not for that reason alone

white meadow
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not like there is any other reason

prime dust
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eh we kind of lack gothic thematics

white meadow
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i mean spheal was pretty popular too, glad it was not picked tho

prime dust
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i think if Tyrantrum hadn't been on the list, then the desire for Aororus wouldn't have been as big

white meadow
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im gonna eat those words when it gets added either by the sprite poll or the raffle

prime dust
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from my understanding the poll is pretty well tied between minor [for some odd reason] and rockruff/lycanroc

white meadow
white meadow
prime dust
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as do I...i just don't really like Minor, if GameFreak left it in the region it was introduced in, they must have had a good reason

finite thistle
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Minior would be really cool. The mon has a ton of fusion potential, from its stats, ability and its variety of color variants

prime dust
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aside from not wanting to port every mon going forward

white meadow
white meadow
prime dust
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its 2 technically, since the shell and unshelled would likely be considered alt forms [despite it being a battle state]

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but i've seen more unshelled sprites made than shelled ones, which is weird given the shelled state is the default state

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almost like people think it doesn't exist

finite thistle
white meadow
crude vortex
white meadow
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Thats why Gogoat wins

finite thistle
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I am pretty torn between Gogoat and Minior. Gogoat's stats and typing make it prime fusion material and its ability is a decent investment for the future, but Minior is one of those Pokemon like Toxapex whose potential for fusion is incredibly complicated and really fun to optimize

white meadow
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Or it ends like Toxapex that only a few people like the fusions because its so weitd

weak trellis
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woke idea: type swap minor into flying/rock

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since I think the only way to get a flying face is on the normal/flying types (so basically just noctowl lol)

grizzled cradle
white meadow
inland jewel
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yeah and the body makes the sprite float

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Voted minior for the orb enjoyers, since they couldn't get spheal

white meadow
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But y not vote spheal than

inland jewel
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to many water types

lofty spindle
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Cutiefly is quite the orb itself.

white meadow
inland jewel
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I need more bug and fairy types

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I don't want to just use gardevoir for my fairy mono 😭

white meadow
inland jewel
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Gardevoir is overrated

white meadow
sterile verge
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Most things are overated for a reason

white meadow
sterile verge
white meadow
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I cam agree on it
Just dont see what everyone loves about dragonite
Its just a obese Zard

lofty spindle
terse fable
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Still want Slurpuff happo

white meadow
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Thats a unique Fairy type

sterile verge
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Slurpuff better as head, ribombee better as body

white meadow
weak trellis
white meadow
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Granbull has HP?

weak trellis
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no but it does have a fairy body

white meadow
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Granbull is mono fairy tho

prisma willow
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Is Rock a good type?

weak trellis
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yea, gives fairy to both mons

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or do you mean the BASE mons need to be fairy only

weak trellis
inland jewel
weak trellis
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its a glass cannon type alongside ice

inland jewel
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sadly most rock types are slow/bulky so they never get to shine

white meadow
weak trellis
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(grass at least has some nice resistances to back up the weaknesses there)

weak trellis
white meadow
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Now you confuse me

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I wanna say Granbull always gives fairy type

prisma willow
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I feel like poison should be super effective against water given the state of the ocean.
Gestures to Galarian Corsala

weak trellis
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Yea, i think my point was that there are other fairies besides garde and bee

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also I second the poison -> water interaction lol

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though some of them are pretty iffy to fuse as fairies (rip wigglytuff)

sterile verge
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I just use klefable and mawile

prisma willow
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...I feel like there should be a type rebalancing channel or whatever the sub channels are called because this is a topic that keeps coming up.

weak trellis
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maybe a modern mode exclusive change at most but I still dunno even then

sterile verge
prisma willow
inland jewel
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is Granbull really the only pure fairy in the game?

sterile verge
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Clefable, wigglytuff

inland jewel
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no wait there is Sylveon

sterile verge
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That too

inland jewel
sterile verge
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Normal gets axed if it's fused with a mon both ways

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So if I fuse blastoise/wigglytuff = water/fairy, but if i fuse wigglytuff/blastoise = fairy/water

grave jolt
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cutiefly 😌

lofty spindle
cinder oasis
prisma willow
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So popular type balancing from what I see here would be:
•Poison super effective against water
•Bug super effective against fairy
•Ice resists water, flying, and electricity.
Does this seem right?

inland jewel
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i think ice resisting ground makes more sense, instead of electricity

prisma willow
hushed mantle
inland jewel
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to be fair not all metals conduct electricity

prisma willow
sharp nebula
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it would make sense but its not really necessary

hushed mantle
sharp nebula
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what should happen is steel should lose some resistances

weak trellis
prisma willow
weak trellis
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grass, probably psychic as well maybe?

prisma willow
sharp nebula
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should definitely not resist ice at the least

weak trellis
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no non-gameplay reasons but both need a little offensive buffing (or in psychic's case: a buff that isn't also an indirect buff to ghost)

finite thistle
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Psychic has had it real rough ever since the introduction of Fairy, the nerfing of Steel and the buffing of Knock Off. Now both of their most common weaknesses are incredibly common and the only types that cover both make them extremely weak to other types

weak trellis
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I almost feel like it's more dark/ghost getting their acts together in gen 4 that did it

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and ghost/psychic having a similar weakness profile so it's hard to not buff psychic without buffing ghost

orchid vault
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Dark type attacks are incredibly common in general, with so many pokemon getting bite or crunch that otherwise have nothing to do with the dark type, putting a physic or ghost pokemon out is kind of a gamble

weak trellis
orchid vault
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does this pokemon have teeth? lets give it bite, why not

finite thistle
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At the very least, Psychic had Steel in gen 4 to completely nulify their weaknesses

weak trellis
finite thistle
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I'm speaking of Psychic's weaknesses alone, though being weak to Ground ain't great, you're still getting 2 weaknesses for the price of 3

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Gen 4-5 Bronzong is such a cool mon, the ability to mind game your weaknesses is something that I wish we saw more of

weak trellis
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even if you almost always saw levitate since it was turning x2 into x0 instead of x2 into x1

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(and it's in slot 1 so I think the AI generally had levitate as well)

south mango
tame flax
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Wait, there's a new fusion calculator?

restive arrow
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has been for a bit yee

cinder oasis
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I would maybe just make ice deal neutral against steel and resist water

lofty spindle
stoic canopy
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Nah steel is fine where it is, sure they’re the best defensive typing in the game. But they are week to the (arguably) best Sp attker type and the best Ph attker type. And they explode to a single earthquake. They kinda need all of their resistances.

sharp nebula
coral solar
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I cry when Aggron tries to exist in a world with people who know how to punch

rancid lily
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<@&306953740651462656>

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I already muted, I just think you should ban them

eager jungle
toxic dock
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I predict the last slot to be a legendary

prime dust
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its just stunfisk again

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only vertical instead of horizontal

cobalt heath
sullen elbow
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The last slot will be pinchurchun, it will be the only gen 8 mon ever added heehee

winged garnet
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I want Golisopod : (

silent acorn
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Like literally. Somehow mixing both actually increases the stats overall

bleak leaf
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Just found out the Regis got in. Very happy

stuck cave
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I always found it odd Regigigas was in before the things he was based off

bleak leaf
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Exactly

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I'm a bit sad we won't get Golisopod but I'm very happy the Regi are here now

prime dust
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how do you know we won't get Goli?

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there's still the spriter poll and the winner's raffle

high haven
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Yeah exactly

prime dust
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beyond just the 1 community slot left

bleak leaf
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Ah ok cool

prime dust
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also even if he doesn't get in this time, he might get added in a future dex expansion

bleak leaf
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Didn't know there was still stuff left to go. Awesome

high haven
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So we can potentially get Golisopod as well as another Poll favorite

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Not to mention the NGS group was honestly really fun to see

visual silo
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crosses fingers in bounsweet

stone cliff
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Very happy and surprised with what has gotten in lol. Very few of my actual predictions made it in, but I got most of what I wanted

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Never would have guessed the Regis would actually make it in

bitter comet
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Imagine if we got both Lycanroc and Golisopod from the spriter poll and the winner’s raffle

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Probably ain’t gonna happen, but we can dream

stone cliff
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I figured we'd have had both by now lol

bitter comet
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For the winner’s raffle, they’re probably going to select some legendary or some other popular type of Pokémon

mystic rivet
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Or bruxish just out of spite

bitter comet
stone cliff
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I wonder if they're gonna release the vote counts for each mon after everything is over

bitter comet
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I would love to see which Mon got the least votes