pif-hoenn-discussion

[coral solar]

Gen 1 animation was something special

[brisk vessel]

My brother in Christ no it does not

By that logic Milk is meat

[native nebula]

It has heart. Unlike now were it is more akin to slave labor with how they treat animators.

[brisk vessel]

Just cuz it's a product of the animal doesn't mean it's meat

Who says animals can't grow fruits and veggies

[neat hemlock]

Milk is juice for growing the next generation. Not in season all the times. Fruit is the thing that makes more.

[brisk vessel]

If the banana was literally made of meat then maybe

[coral solar]

Plants are just animals with extremely slow metabolisms who can eat sunlight

[neat hemlock]

We gotta question common sense, cause pokemon world is some wild shit

[neat hemlock]

And be green af

[brisk vessel]

Tbf it literally says that Tropius neck bananas are a result of Tropius eating too much bananas

[coral solar]

Look man Idgaf about if it's meat or greens or what. If it looks good, taste's good, and comes out good, Imma eat it.

[grizzled cradle]

miltank can express humanoid consent to being milked

(literally the worst thing I have ever said)

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sylveon-bartender-gif-25491327

[brisk vessel]

[coral solar]

Miltank: "Please milk me daddy"

[neat hemlock]

Pokemon go.back n forth from being just animals to full on smarter than people.

[coral solar]

Man wtf did Miltank do before being domesticated? Did they milk themselves?

[neat hemlock]

Old school psychics are all crazy smart... Except slowpoke.

Animals milk themselves in the wild or eachother or add to family's offspring

[subtle creek]

I could make a joke, but I’ll choose not to say it

[coral solar]

I know in the real world they do that, but real world animals aren't MILTANK

Producing 8 gallons of pre-pasturized milk every day

[neat hemlock]

How much does snorlax eat before he sleeps again?

[coral solar]

3,000 pounds according to the Pokedex

[neat hemlock]

Was it 2000 lbs? Like 800 kg?

Now how much could he reduce by drinking miltank stuff?

Anywhom.
Blitzle gotta make it for them good good sprites

[coral solar]

"over 880 pounds of food per day"

As per the FireRed dex entry

Which is close to its normal body weight

[neat hemlock]

Yeah. So common sense is out the window.

[grizzled cradle]

miltank produces 5 gallons of milk a day, for 8,240 calories
if you convert a pound of pure fat into calories, it totals 3,500

barely a fraction of snorlax’s total intake

[neat hemlock]

Yeah. Be squeezing a whole group of miltanks

[honest nest]

Can we talk about miltanks base speed
Why it so good

[neat hemlock]

Cause they drink the milk

[coral solar]

It would take roughly 374 miltanks donating all of their daily milk output every day to keep a single Snorlax fed

These are the important calculations we do here

[neat hemlock]

An all liquid diet is a bad plan

Cause we need to know the caloric needs of the Snorlax and how calorie rich the milk is

[dry nest]

Real that gif goes hard

[grizzled cradle]

miltank has the strength of a cow, but in two bipedal legs

[coral solar]

For a human.

Snorlax can survive off molding rotten food, I don't think it cares.

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-golisopodthegoat-gif-25172617

[neat hemlock]

Homie gonna learn hydro pump if it just drinks milk

[coral solar]

Golisopod really was the goat, god damn

[neat hemlock]

Homie has an energy sword... Wrong anime...

[coral solar]

Imagine if they animated the actual fucking Samurai starter Pokemon half as good as they animated Golisopod doing samurai shit

[neat hemlock]

Imagine if they animated the grass cat doin cat magic that good?

https://tenor.com/view/fate-rho-aias-shirou-emiya-archer-gif-25023768

[glossy osprey]

is that naotoshi shida

[neat hemlock]

That rho ais

[chrome sonnet]

Can someone tell me if the art in this game was AI generated or if actual artists designed the looks of these pokemon?

I just have to know.

[neat hemlock]

?

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/wurmple-party-hard-pokemon-gif-24016485

[brisk vessel]

Every sprite was made by artists

[dry nest]

Can AI even make pixel art

[brisk vessel]

Anyones that aren't were auto generated by Japeal

[brisk vessel]

It can but not like these

[neat hemlock]

Peak worm choice. Just sad he is a 50 50 with no choice in which direction

[subtle creek]

I think so, but probably not in 288x288 with etc, etc, etc

[chrome sonnet]

My assumption was that this had to be created by artists, but a friend suggested these may have been AI generated.

[brisk vessel]

50/50 chance like a gacha system

[neat hemlock]

I don't like gacha... Is sad

[chrome sonnet]

thank you

[neat hemlock]

Just want my duskox to rip n tear

[stone cliff]

Wait, it's not based on stats like the hitmons?

[dry nest]

I love the wurmple line but they have no shot at making it in

[zealous flint]

Would take up a quarter of the slots anyway

[stone cliff]

Unless they get picked for one of the bonus lines

[dry nest]

Cascoon and silcoon fusions would be interesting

[zealous flint]

Wurmple it pretty much the only member of that line that isnt boring to me

Wurmple cute

[stone cliff]

Butterfree/Beautifly/Vivillion triple fusion

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/wurmple-party-hard-pokemon-turnt-dancing-gif-11706792

[zealous flint]

Vivillion would need to make it into the game as well

[neat hemlock]

I like the twin cocoons. But honestly would be ok to just have it take 1 slot and you get a different form based on evs

[stone cliff]

Venomoth/Dustox/Mothim as well

[zealous flint]

Volcarona:

[dry nest]

I looove mothim

[stone cliff]

Volcarona not normie enough

[zealous flint]

I dont think wurmples evolution is based on anything, im pretty sure its random

[hushed mantle]

I hate mothim

[dry nest]

I looove all bug types tbh

[brisk vessel]

But it's already in

[stone cliff]

Truu

Tragic that Frosmoth is gen 8 honestly

[brisk vessel]

Snomsweep is joever

[zealous flint]

I wish they made scythers evolution more similar to scyther itself

Like scizor is cool and all but the scythes are cooler than crab claws

[brisk vessel]

Kleavor is closer

[stone cliff]

I just want Clawitzer in for the Scizor fusion if I'm being honest

[zealous flint]

I want clawitzer in because hes cool

[stone cliff]

He is, but Clawzor is my main reason lol

[hushed mantle]

I want clawitzer to fuse it with a dragon type and make the claw a giant dragon head

[stone cliff]

Clawitzer/Hydreigon

[dry nest]

Soo…who do you guys thinks gonna win the spriter poll

[brisk vessel]

Honestly I think Golisopod has a good chance

[zealous flint]

Lycanroc sadly

[stone cliff]

Clearly my boi

[hushed mantle]

Slurpuff

[subtle creek]

Sadly!?

[zealous flint]

Knew i was gonna summon someone by saying that

[subtle creek]

Yeah. But there are other good Pokémon

[dry nest]

I mean lycanrock is cool…but I’d rather have Golisopod or Dwebble

[zealous flint]

Lycanrock is cool but i really only like its midnight form

[brisk vessel]

I hope Golisopod or Archeops get in through the Spriter Vote

[stone cliff]

cough Claydol cough

[alpine rune]

I second this

[zealous flint]

I want gigalith and tropius

[hushed mantle]

That would make every pokemon biblically accurate

[neat hemlock]

Aye. Just imagining what could be, and also cutting down by 1 slot

[stone cliff]

Exactly

[brisk vessel]

I'm gonna turn it into an Evangelion reference

[subtle creek]

I like Golisopod, Lycanroc, etc, etc.
Why must there only be one?

[zealous flint]

Vote pearlkia

[stone cliff]

I feel like Claydol is underrated

[brisk vessel]

[neat hemlock]

Blitzle, zigzagoon, spinda, and Cutifly are my big picks.

[zealous flint]

Theres 4 slots left isnt there

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/thelionking-lionking-mufasa-longlivetheking-scar-gif-20263689

[dry nest]

I joined the server around the time this started…do they add new Pokémon frequently or is it once in a blue moon

[brisk vessel]

My biggest pick is a mythical but those aren't in the spriter vote

[subtle creek]

I think I’m one of the few that chose a semi high number for Crabominable

[stone cliff]

There's 4 votemons, and 2 bonus lines

[zealous flint]

This isnt a normal occurance at all

[brisk vessel]

Its once in a blue moon

But they might become more occurrent

[neat hemlock]

I was told there would NEVER be any more a while back. Then this happened.

[subtle creek]

Well those may not be the Pokémon I like. Mostly just talking about the final vote

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-evil-evil-smile-gif-19275451

[zealous flint]

durant

[brisk vessel]

The final slots are legendaries and mythicals iirc

[bitter comet]

I hope they get in somehow

[neat hemlock]

Durant is both a horrible man and a 'maybe this is cool'

[thorny ferry]

Once in a big bang

[brisk vessel]

Since frogman needs time to prepare their events so he's purposefully saving them for last

[zealous flint]

I want the gen 6 legendary duo but only for yveltal

[brisk vessel]

Same tbh

[neat hemlock]

But we can get spinda and zigzagoon to make the craziest fur patterns

Claw bird is cool, the deer is mid tho

[alpine rune]

I want linoone for Extreme speed

[zealous flint]

Then again yveltal wouldnt bring much to the game since its head fusions are just darkrai 2.0

[brisk vessel]

XY, Necrozma, and melo are my ideals I think

[zealous flint]

Body fusions could be neat thoigh

[brisk vessel]

Tbf you could use a lot more red than Darkrai fusions would allow

[alpine rune]

I fancy legendaries that has terrain related abilities so XY + Tapus

[dull root]

Bacon bird

[neat hemlock]

I tend to like a lot of normal types. So more options is good for me and can open up some art options

[hushed mantle]

Piloswine + yveltal = bacon

[zealous flint]

Ive already made a yveltal self fusion made of bacon

[brisk vessel]

Normal types like Melo-

[grizzled cradle]

the only thing I see in durant is maybe two Titanic Ant references

[zealous flint]

I just like durant theres nothing else to it

[brisk vessel]

Any ant related reference works for Durant

It's literally the Only ant pokemon in the franchise

Also there are ant monsters in monster hunter so,,,

[alpine rune]

Fire ants: Fire types
Bullet ants: Dark or Steel Types
Queen ants: Fairy types

[zealous flint]

Gen 10 durant evolution that is a queen ant with the heatproof ability who with me

[bitter comet]

Me

[brisk vessel]

But Hustle is cool

[zealous flint]

Heatproof is cooler

[brisk vessel]

Hustle is what let's Durant hit like an atomic bomb in RU

That's why they banned it

[zealous flint]

Accuracy lower would make me specifically miss 5 attacks in a row

[brisk vessel]

That just sounds like a luck issue

[zealous flint]

Yeah i know

[brisk vessel]

Hustle is the ultimate high risk high reward ability

[zealous flint]

I got sand attacked once and missed the next 7 tackles

[alpine rune]

That sounds good, but I think its about time that Queenly Majesty be applied to every other female specific mons too like Sallazle and Vespiqueen. So Queen ant durant should follow suit

[brisk vessel]

50% damage boost on everything is crazy

[brisk vessel]

Not really salazzle but I can definitely see Vespiquen getting it

[brisk vessel]

Mega Durant ⛰️

[bitter comet]

Is it just me or do they look emo?/hj

[zealous flint]

Only in gen 6 😔

[alpine rune]

Punkass ants

[zealous flint]

Which gimmick was the worst, Z-moves, dynamax/gigantamax, or terastalize

[brisk vessel]

Did you know that there are 3 types of worker ants

Hard workers
Normal workers
Lazy workers

That's why Durant has the abilities it has

Hustle - Hard worker ant
Swarm - Normal worker ant
Truant - Lazy worker ant

[zealous flint]

Ew truant

[brisk vessel]

Also Truant cuz it's a TrueAnt

[zealous flint]

We must buy their deodurant

[zealous flint]

Also what your opinion

[alpine rune]

I dislike dynamax the most

[zealous flint]

I dislike terastalize

[alpine rune]

Terastal second but its like FAR second

[brisk vessel]

Gigantamax was cool at least but normal Dynamax was

[alpine rune]

Like

1. Dynamax
2. Dynamax
3. Dynamax
4. Dynamax
5. Terastal

[bitter comet]

I have not played Scarlet /Violet, so what is terrestrial?

[brisk vessel]

They should have made it so you could only Gigantamax and it only worked on certain mons

[zealous flint]

They could have done a lot more with it, no new forms, stupid big hats, some Z-moves had amazing animations, and long animations that take up the time in raids

[brisk vessel]

You change your pokemon's type

[alpine rune]

At least terastal is fun playing the defensive/offensive mind games

[brisk vessel]

They are making Terastal forms though

[alpine rune]

do you want to boost your stab with same type terastal or play it safe with a counter terastal

[zealous flint]

Theres only one pokemon with a terastal form right now, and it just gets a bigger mask

[brisk vessel]

There are already more confirmed for the DLC

[alpine rune]

Its not just Haha 140 Damage +1 speed go brr

[brisk vessel]

along with leaks that both Koraidon and Miraidon are getting Terastal forms

[bitter comet]

Personally, the only Pokémon game I have plans for getting in the future is whatever the next legends game is gonna be

[alpine rune]

sameee

[dry nest]

Legends Kyurem 🛐

[bitter comet]

Why does it have one of those fake candy rings on its head/j

[brisk vessel]

That's a lightbulb

[zealous flint]

Ring pops? The normal type tera hat looks more like those

[bitter comet]

Like legends of Arceus is the only Pokémon game where I haven’t breezed through and was left wanting more

[dry nest]

I wished it got dlc and online battling

[bitter comet]

I still haven’t fully completed the game actually… too focused on the Pokédex

[dry nest]

Same I still need to do the post game..

[alpine rune]

I was thinking of a Legends game that brings back the Megas/brings you back to the time where the Mega meteor struck the earth. That would also pose an interesting story + bring mega back hopefully

back to the ORAS/USUM timeline

[brisk vessel]

That wouldn't be until like 2027/2030 with a Legends Zygarde game or smth

[bitter comet]

That would be epic

[neat hemlock]

Zigzagoon + Scizor = primal scizor

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/qwilfish-overqwil-sliggoo-goodra-goomy-gif-13679107338130731567

[neat hemlock]

Zigzagoon tangala, a mimic of a pokemon in tangled growth.
Dark souls

Zigzagoon + Meowth gives you the steel looking Meowth, but normal typing

[edgy dune]

Gunna throw my periodic hope in here for Deerling/Sawsbuck because they're my son's favourites.

[neat hemlock]

Understandable and better than the legendeer

Homies come in 4 flavors so you can get creative

[edgy dune]

Aye. Also he just loves deer. We run a Pokemon TTRPG and I had to give him a Deerling "pet" because despite loving them he knows their stats are trash

[neat hemlock]

That's how you know you really like the mon. Want it despite it's stats.

Really like Arcanine? Still down if he had growliths stats?

[coral solar]

"2 different forms for fusions" is false advertising.

If they didn't do it for Aegislash, they sure as hell aren't doing it for Minior.

[neat hemlock]

I don't normally evolve my starters till they learn all the moves I want them to have... So like 50 something.

[neat hemlock]

Can use both forms for looks style. Technically deerling gives 4 types

[edgy dune]

Well as a pet it's straight banned from battling but has some out of battle advantages. Like the ride Pokemon in Alola. He getrs both xD

[neat hemlock]

Minior looks like he's just a rock n space version of spinda

[sterile verge]

i mean 2 forms for fusion ideas
like megas and gmax

[coral solar]

Ah, got it.

[neat hemlock]

Like how Pikachu had no business in most of ashes adventure.

[edgy dune]

You make a compelling argument entirely ruined by the eyes of all of those sprites

[sterile verge]

the eyes are cool what you mean?

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/spinda-dancing-smiling-pokemon-cute-gif-15639987

[edgy dune]

The Magearna movie showed that Pikachu is Ash's tactical nuke, a role it took over when Charizard fully retired. Ash wants something to absolutely go down, that's Pikachu's job.

[neat hemlock]

Take that back. Homies got the spin!

[edgy dune]

I do not like them. freaky lookin bug eyes to me

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/kittan-gurren-lagann-spiral-spiral-eyes-hot-blooded-gif-21108157

[sterile verge]

but
look at him

[neat hemlock]

Pikachu is a weak mon with just a ton of levels. It had thunder at the start of his journey... Homie is like level 80

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-pokémon-shields-down-super-meteor-650-gif-13438644593076750957

[neat hemlock]

Space rock spinda

[sterile verge]

nah but minior actually a good mon though

[coral solar]

If the anime accurately reflected the amount of power Pikachu should have, it'd be one-shotting most opponents by the Sinnoh saga. Instead Pikachu's power seems to reset every time he sets foot in a new region, only retaining moves known

[sterile verge]

no offense to spinda

[neat hemlock]

What was that?

Offense taken. Spinda got good stats. He got good moves. He got a groove to boot.

[edgy dune]

This was officially addressed I believe twice. In the anime Sinnoh mons are just canonically more powerful, and it got explicitly de-powered once in Unova.

[neat hemlock]

De powered...

[brisk vessel]

My brother in Christ these stats are garbage

[edgy dune]

Zekrom did it

[neat hemlock]

60 is the low end of good. If you only want stats of 85+ thats on you

[sterile verge]

game freak ruined bro's stats for a 360 joke

[coral solar]

The Unova Zekrom depower explanation was supposed to be a temporary nerf, is the thing. The way it was explained in the show, Pikachu should've gotten its full capabilities back the second it regained control of its electricity

[brisk vessel]

75*

[neat hemlock]

60-70 is good.

[brisk vessel]

60 and below is like bad bad

[edgy dune]

Ah really? why bother at all then?

[neat hemlock]

Below 60 is bad

[brisk vessel]

Archeops with like 67 defenses is considered a Glass Cannon for a reason

[coral solar]

Because the writers REALLY wanted to gas up Ash's sick new rival by having him beat up Pikachu with his just-acquired Lv5 starter

[neat hemlock]

Yeah, and his big stat is?

[brisk vessel]

140, why

[neat hemlock]

Because I want you to look at what amazing stats are like

[edgy dune]

That's kinda stupid. Levels equal by his fifth region Ash should still stomp

[brisk vessel]

Good stats nowadays are like 90+

[neat hemlock]

Amazing stuff will always beat out good. Good will get you through most of the game

[brisk vessel]

Skeledirge having 75 spdef is already considered extremely mid

[neat hemlock]

90+ are great

[coral solar]

Inx I hate to break it to ya buddy, but a 60 base stat isn't good by any stretch of the imagination. 90+ isn't "great", it's average. 120+ is "great".

[neat hemlock]

Yeah and the top tier pokemon all have something crazy.
For the not top tier nonsense fights... 60 is good

[sterile verge]

nah spinda gets out sped, out dmg'd, and out defence'd most fully evolved mons

[brisk vessel]

My brother in Christ Skeledirge is a UU Mon

[edgy dune]

Part of the reason Alola is so good is because Ash is explicitly basically taking a gap year screwing around for the first bit, and then everyone else has time to actually reach his level by the ultra wormhole arc and he actually starts trying again

[coral solar]

60 is like.

The absolute mininum of what can even be deemed remotely usable.

[brisk vessel]

Not even top 50 in the Regional dex

[neat hemlock]

Which means it's good.

[brisk vessel]

In like ZU maybe

[coral solar]

"Just barely usable" /=/ "good"

[brisk vessel]

Calyrex and Phione have Base 80 across the board and both are considered bottom of the barrel/absolute Dogwater

[neat hemlock]

80s are great. Glad to have it on my mon

[brisk vessel]

What is blud waffling about

[coral solar]

Look if you like Spinda I ain't gonna say you're wrong. You're welcome to like the mons you like. I gas up Sunflora to this day despite it being terrible.

But if you're gonna come out here saying that a 60 base stat is "good", then I'm sorry, but that is objectively incorrect.

[neat hemlock]

I really want the big stat to be 90+ but if the moms lowest is 60 that's good enough to roll with the group

[weak trellis]

calyrex has 100 HP but otherwise yea

not much of a difference lol

[neat hemlock]

You feel it's incorrect. Your scale is at a different section. It's opinion.
60 is the start of good.

[brisk vessel]

Yea just saying that 90 is already the bare minimum for good

[neat hemlock]

Eh, 90 is some preem stuff

[weak trellis]

tbh I have 75 as my "alright" minimum but then again my standards are a lot lower lol

[brisk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[weak trellis]

I can see 90 for "good" and 110 for "okay in comp, probably"

[brisk vessel]

75 is the minimum for "okay" iirc

[neat hemlock]

Not a troll. Nado just rolled out the same 'scale of use is the big thing'

[coral solar]

Let's say this.

60 is the bare minimum of "usable in a casual run".
90 is the bare minimum of "viable in anything resembling a competitively-built mon"
100+ is the bare minimum of "actually good for a strong competitive mon"

[brisk vessel]

110-129 is considered Great
130+ is considered Amazing

[neat hemlock]

75 mins I expect to not struggle at the elite 4

[weak trellis]

that being said if we are arguing like that then I'm not exactly in favor more of legendary spam lol

[neat hemlock]

60 is good for running the game

[coral solar]

"Not struggling in the E4" isn't the milestone people think it is. I could beat the E4 with a team of Magikarps if I really wanted to.

[brisk vessel]

Obviously legendary spam ain't fun but doesn't mean you can't use other good mons

[hollow quest]

yeah i'm sure

[neat hemlock]

Yeah. I don't play competitive.

[brisk vessel]

If you overlevel to like level 90 then yea obviously

[hollow quest]

i generally look for 85+

but that's for when i can actually get it

[brisk vessel]

But the moment level caps are introduced then you NEED to have at least 85/90+ minimum

[sterile verge]

bro minior literally either has 60 or has 100 on his stats, and that isnt even why he's good. That's the bare minimum they had to give him so they can give him busted options and a unique ability without being unusable.

[neat hemlock]

I like to aim for 70s but will be good with 60s

[brisk vessel]

If the mon's Lowest stat is 60 then yea that's fine

[neat hemlock]

Aridos has carried me through gen 2

[brisk vessel]

But if 60 is it's highest stat then something is being done wrong

[coral solar]

Especially if that lowest stat is an attacking stat. Because then you just use the other stat

[dry nest]

Spinarak line is underrated Spinarak is cute

[coral solar]

But ain't no one out here trying to run Physical Gengar

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/spinarak-saturday-gif-22972846

[neat hemlock]

Spinarak line is cute and then cool. Stats are 60, 70, and attack 90. So he's good. Just slow with speed 40

[brisk vessel]

Yea 90 attack is useable

60 attack and spatk wouldn't be

[coral solar]

Ariados is cool and moderately usable, but will struggle in the late-game with level caps on

[neat hemlock]

70 on def and hps is good. The 90 60 split make him good to attack and great at physical. He just slow

[coral solar]

It's too frail to take a hit from most fully evolved mons

[brisk vessel]

Ariados does have the niche of Sticky Web at least

[hushed mantle]

Ariados is probably the worst poison type competitively

[brisk vessel]

Arbok:

[neat hemlock]

But yeah, he's not a strong mom. But he's good

[hushed mantle]

Arbok at least has usable stats and coil

[coral solar]

I'm not even talking competitive. Most mons that know Earthquake in the late game will one-shot Ariados.

[neat hemlock]

Arbok learns stockpile, which makes him cooler

[brisk vessel]

Arbok can't Sticky Web

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/ariados-pokemon-bug-poison-giant-enemy-spider-gif-26452762

[hushed mantle]

Dustox probably falls there too

[brisk vessel]

Sticky Web is such a broken move that it made Shuckle viable in UBERS

[neat hemlock]

On his way to stomp out someone's lights

[coral solar]

I love Ariados because I love spiders. But it's probably the worst Sticky Web user in the game.

Galvantula is vastly superior.

[brisk vessel]

Literally the only saving grace dustox has is Quiver Dance and nothing else

[sterile verge]

low key ariados in IF is a secret banger because of sticky web

[brisk vessel]

Also true but I'm just saying that Ariados has merit with Sticky Web at least

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/spinarak-pokemon-gif-22972794

All spider Pokémon are very cool

[hushed mantle]

With no stats or good moves that could support it

[brisk vessel]

Exactly

[coral solar]

I hope that before I die there are enough Spider mons to make a full spider team

[neat hemlock]

But yeah. If you demand top tier pokemon you will lose out on a lot of good mons.

[brisk vessel]

A lot of top tiers are good mons though

[coral solar]

Technically I could cheat by using crab mons, but

[sterile verge]

nah but spinda isnt even good tho

it's useable at best

[brisk vessel]

It's meh at best

[coral solar]

It gets a 100% accurate Doubles-functional confusion move.

Which is.... neat?

[brisk vessel]

The only thing it has going for it is Contrary but there are much better Contrary users

[grizzled cradle]

spinda has a silly visual gimmick why are we talking about stats

[sterile verge]

like i'd use it during the start of a randomiser and that's about it

[sterile verge]

his gimmick isnt going to be in IF

[brisk vessel]

I don't wanna confuse my partner though

[hushed mantle]

Meanwhile, luvdisc who can’t do anything:

[coral solar]

Why is Luvdisc even a thing

[brisk vessel]

True Luvdisc just

Exists

[sterile verge]

heart scales

[hushed mantle]

Which only existed like in 3 games

[brisk vessel]

They should have made Luvdisc an Alomomola pre evo

[neat hemlock]

Because it's all some folks care about

[coral solar]

Alomomola should've been a Luvdisc evo

[sterile verge]

literally tho, make it make sense

[coral solar]

Aaaaaayyyyy

[hushed mantle]

Alomomola should’ve been luvdisc prevo

[brisk vessel]

[grizzled cradle]

implementing the spots into fun sprite patterns 💪💪💪

[brisk vessel]

If we're getting a Contrary Mon I want it to be Lurantis

[neat hemlock]

Legit. Can make anything spotted and put said spots w.e you want

[coral solar]

Remember when they said in an interview that Alomomola and Basculin were only made because they got like 90% through the development of Gen 5 and realized toward the end that they'd forgotten to include Pokemon for surfing and fishing

Literal filler mons to pad out the dex

[neat hemlock]

Who even fishes in pokemon?

[brisk vessel]

Basculin and Alomomola did get some redemption in Gen 9 at least

[grizzled cradle]

they went pretty hard with the designs

[neat hemlock]

Gotta just read in there and pull out a Krabby n polywag

[brisk vessel]

Literally anyone and everyone who likes Milotic

[hushed mantle]

People who want dratini

[brisk vessel]

Alomomola is the Toxapex of RU now with Bulky Scald

And Basculin can evolve

[coral solar]

I remember devoting months of my life to hunting for a good-natured Feebas

[neat hemlock]

Dratini is cool, Dragonair is cooler... Then it gets fat

[hushed mantle]

Friend shaped*

[coral solar]

Dragonite is the GOAT, don't you dare talk shit about Puff the Magic Dragon-type

[grizzled cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonite-pokemon-gif-18130239

[brisk vessel]

Dragonite Tera Normal Extremespeed 🔥🔥🔥

[coral solar]

switches in a Ghost type

[brisk vessel]

This is the reason E-Killer Arceus' run Shadow Claw

[coral solar]

switches in a Normal/Ghost type

Zoroark pog moment.

[sterile verge]

as soon as you fuse spinda it loses it's singular unique gimmick (the spots being random) and becomes a bad fusion material that brings down the other mons stats

like Reuniclus, god damn reuniclus, has a higher physical atk then spinda, and learns dizzy punch

[coral solar]

His counterpoint is that he likes Spinda

[sterile verge]

and teeter dance is on like 8 different species

[coral solar]

Which is honestly valid

[sterile verge]

fair

[hollow quest]

spinda? what's that

[neat hemlock]

Normal type non space rock minior

[sterile verge]

you wish

technically a drunk spinning red panda

[amber folio]

hear me out, Rattata makes every fusion better

[sterile verge]

[neat hemlock]

Naw.
Spinda has good options for creative single touches to sprites and spiral themes.
Spinda is a bipedal teddy bear so you can add cute vibes to stuff.
It's normal type which is generally non offensive to fusions.
It has good stats to make anything else at least ok to add to your roster.

[neat hemlock]

You can make a new sprite for any custom spot combos you want on your fused mon.

[coral solar]

I can agree with everything except for your last point. But hey, you do you.

[neat hemlock]

But I don't want a fat dragon. I wanted a slender eastern style dragon. Like Rayquaza

[neat hemlock]

Beats the hell outta some of my cute mons with... Baby stats

[sterile verge]

Minior has that and more
rock/flying for fusions adds actual supereffective moves
normal is literally the boring type, almost never adding anything good to a mon offensively or defensively
also it's stats are trash when compared to almost any fully evolved pokemon

[brisk vessel]

Oh yeah meloetta also gets teeter dance

[coral solar]

Well that's just how all single-stage mons are designed. Generally speaking, single-stage mons will always outperform the first stage of 2/3-stage mons, but will always underperform compared to fully-evolved mons

[neat hemlock]

Pichu got really bad stats... But he cute af

[coral solar]

1st-stage mons like starters and babies have terrible stats by design because their evolutions get vastly more powerful

[neat hemlock]

Aye. Which is why you gotta fuse them into something bigger and keep the cute factor

[brisk vessel]

And then there's pikachu who is just vastly superior to Raichu in battle

[neat hemlock]

Why we need Cutifly and spinda

[brisk vessel]

Cuz Pikachu with light ball has basically Deoxys levels of atk and spatk

[neat hemlock]

Which is wack

[sterile verge]

nah but it loses to most of those mons too
Minior
Dhelmise
Kecleon
tauros
pinsir
lapras
sableye
skarmory
and way more

[neat hemlock]

Raichu is good overall, but his def is low at 50. Means he gotta blast a mons in 1 shot with his 95 and 110 speed

[brisk vessel]

Kecleon 💀

[coral solar]

See, you're thinking only of the cute factor. You want to use cute tiny mons, but don't want to have to suffer with their bad stats, so you fuse them with gods to get the best of both worlds.

And that's a perfectly valid way to play the game. But the fact we're insisting upon here is that fusing a low-BST mon with a high-BST mon will ALWAYS be worse than just fusing two high-BST mons. The low-BST mon doesn't contribute anything to the fusion aside from its appearance, it just drags the final product down.

[sterile verge]

literally it cant even beat kecleon

[neat hemlock]

Love him

But his type changing makes him a challenging pick.

[brisk vessel]

Yea kecleon is cool (i play PMD)
Doesnt change the fact that he sucks but can still beat spinda

[neat hemlock]

I don't want to use gods. I want to use mid tiers so I can be cute and mid line

[sterile verge]

kecleon is good ngl
especially in IF
Color change is fun and Protean is busted

[brisk vessel]

Fusing a bad stat mon with a mid tier mon just makes a low tier mon

[coral solar]

I use gods as a catch-all for "stronger mon with much better stats"

[brisk vessel]

I forgot this game gave him Pre-Nerf Protean

[neat hemlock]

We all know god tier mons got them wild stats. I just want good stats. 60-70s are good.

[brisk vessel]

You are going to be forced to play Easy then

[neat hemlock]

Which means my gates are wide open to love all the mons

[coral solar]

Look if 60-70 base stats are good enough for him I say we let him vibe and stop trying to bust the bubble

[neat hemlock]

They are, I'm not trying to power spinda up. I wanna use him to make baby pokemon have those stats

[brisk vessel]

I feel like the only way to make Spinda actually viable for battle is to fuse him with Deoxys

Cuz then at least he has Contrary Psycho Boost and can outspeed most things that would one-shot him

[neat hemlock]

Contrary is a fun one

[brisk vessel]

Yea its like his one saving grace (battle wise)

[coral solar]

Spinda/Victini though...

Contrary V-Create sounds disgusting

[brisk vessel]

I dont think he gonna be hitting hard enough to exploit v create tho

[neat hemlock]

And it wouldn't sacrifice the cute factor of either

[coral solar]

Victini is always an adorable munchkin, don't need to fuse it with a panda to retain it

[neat hemlock]

But yeah. Spinda is one I will be sprinting if he gets in

Polywag + spinda gotta be a reference... Just gotta find out what

They could be, but it's be a lot of effort for something no one will really get to enjoy other than... Neat

[coral solar]

Make Vanilluxe sprites

[neat hemlock]

Geodude Geodude fusion was ballin. It's just two doods. One rock and one clay.

Uhh... A real og pokemon?

https://tenor.com/view/workout-pokemon-pikachu-sandshrew-exercise-gif-17858157

Give us the ice type Sandshrew we deserve. One with sweets

[coral solar]

Hm.

Dugtrio for a chocolate sundae.
Mr. Mime for upside-down clown ice cream cones.
Cherrim for cherry-on-top
Ho-Oh for Rainbow Sprinkles
Aipom/Ambipom for a banana split

Lots of options

[neat hemlock]

Maybe magneton, so you can make multipart nonsense

Muk!
For that 'is this still ice cream?' Vibe

We got any kinda time wizard nonsense to fuse em with to return vanillux to just milk?

[coral solar]

Vanilluxe/MimeJr or Vanilluxe/Mr. Mime:

[neat hemlock]

Palkia(?) With a floating glass of milk

[neat hemlock]

Cute

[coral solar]

The single cone is Vanillite/Mime Jr, Vanilluxe/Mr. Mime would be a proper clown sundae

[neat hemlock]

Could also be a mime Jr spilling the vanillite

[high haven]

I agree. I didn't use to like Zangoose but because they are Seviper's counterpart I have wrapped back around on him, especially with him technically being lost media with his Gen 3 sprites having purple claws which in the infinite fusion format we can just bring back for even cooler fusion!

[neat hemlock]

Zangoose is like... The weird bipedal cousin to absol

[high haven]

I don't see the resemblance

[weak trellis]

this is how I see hypno and jolteon btw

[neat hemlock]

Big claw, funny color, mostly white.

[neat hemlock]

Odd. Also don't see it. Inform me so I may see

[weak trellis]

mostly in the color scheme as both are yellow & white with a noticable neck ruff

[neat hemlock]

Ah. Aight.

[high haven]

Okay that Hypno/Jolteon I understand, aside from Zangoose & Absol having white fur and red eyes that's where the similarities end for me

[neat hemlock]

Red eyes, white fur, sharp claw / horn. One hunts snakes and absol hunts ghosts, yeah?

[heavy bison]

Hello

[high haven]

Hi

[heavy bison]

Hows it going

[neat hemlock]

Its just like. A vibe I get. Not necessarily a 'this is how it is'

[high haven]

I get that but I fail to see the connections. So I'll just agree to disagree

[sterile verge]

Ya know

Necrozma fusions are going to be some of the most insane sprites ever when he's revealed

[high haven]

Aside from that, what's you opinion on Zangoose & Seviper? Yay or nay?

[sterile verge]

Cool mons

[high haven]

Nice

[sterile verge]

If they get in I'll do a zangoose/seviper/absol triple fusion

Legally binding

[high haven]

Seviper, Arbok & Dunsparce for the serpentine triple fusion

[dark prism]

I'd love for Zangoose and Seviper to be in

[neat hemlock]

Zangoose + meollots = hair metal

[sterile verge]

Me having to put down golisopod, castform, avalugg, and zangoose/serviper so that minior gets in

https://tenor.com/view/freeze-shocked-stunned-point-gun-nervous-gif-15272534

[neat hemlock]

Cast form is top tier homie

All the fusion options. All the nonsense weather moves. All the cloud

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-handshake-resolution-agreement-gif-20207330

[heavy bison]

All the sus spheres

[neat hemlock]

Gonna be real. I didn't say I would have to, but I feel I could squeak out some sprites for him.

Ghastly + Cast form = evil clouds with them vampire teeths

Dragonair + Castform can make a knockoff Altaria

[sterile verge]

I just realized Duclops/Altaria would be Kracko

Ima be right back

I have a job to do

[neat hemlock]

Duskul is top tier. The mummy one is unfortunate. Then it becomes kinda ok tho.

[rocky condor]

(Ignore the noivern part, they got in. But now chatot can get boomburst if they get in so vote for chatot )

[brisk vessel]

You know who else would benefit a ton from STAB Boomburst ?

My mom melo-

[rocky condor]

Ok but can meloetta give more pmd rep? And are they a funny cute little parrot? I don't THINK so

[brisk vessel]

It would give more pmd rep

[rocky condor]

g🤢tes to Inf🤮nity

[neat hemlock]

If you can't record your own calls for chatot, is it really him?

[brisk vessel]

People hate on GtI but it genuinely had a good story

Its just the gameplay that was ass

[rocky condor]

they are not a main character like chatot either so womp womp

[brisk vessel]

They still had an entire sidequest dedicated to them

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hokutonoken-fistofthenorthstar-北斗の拳-kenshiro-atatata-gif-14362007

[rocky condor]

Ok. I'll say this. I 100% agree with you on this. Gates's story is genuinely so good. It's as good as explorers story but without the plot black holes

[rocky condor]

Chatot literally was a main character for the majority of the game. Meloetta only has a sidequest. skill issue

[brisk vessel]

The sidequest was also really long and lasted most of the main storyline

Also I say they because in pmd melo is literally 2 mfs in 1 body

[rocky condor]

Did meloetta send you to bed without dinner and make you hate her, but then literally almost dies for you, making you love her again in some big character love hate rollercoaster? I don't THINK so.

[feral bear]

Gtl? Gym tan laundry?

[brisk vessel]

Counterargument

[rocky condor]

Counter-counterargument

[brisk vessel]

I don't see neco arc

argument invalidated

[sterile verge]

Everyone's like "add meloetta", "add lycanroc", "add chatot", when in reality we should add missingno to IF as a new mon

[rocky condor]

Ok. I'mma be frank with you. I'd actually love to see this. It'll never happen but it'd be so cool. Imagine all the glitch fusions you'd get. Pokemon insurgence did it so who says we can't get them in? 🥲

[feral bear]

Ive been sacrificing 1 chicken nugget every night for like 2 months to project an image of Tsareena into frogmans brain

[sterile verge]

I...I don't think that'll make him add it

[alpine rune]

Can we just add Manetric and fuck everything else

[brisk vessel]

I wouldn't be mad if Tsareena got the vote pick but I would prefer Archeops or Golisopod

[sterile verge]

Imagine minding your own business and then every day at a random interval a Tsareena.jpeg flashes across your retinas. That would be terrifying

[rocky condor]

also oh my god these both feel like churgney gurgney thumbnails i just realized 😭

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-the-joker-jokes-on-you-ha-ha-the-jokes-on-you-you-played-yourself-gif-13609013574001929796

[brisk vessel]

Im friends with Churgney/Sturm
Your previous arguments are invalidated

[rocky condor]

You're friends with the only peak fnf music maker??? Damn you're right.

You win 😔

I don't got a comeback to that

[arctic sail]

Working on a Midday Lycanroc/Mawile 👀

[brisk vessel]

hes making a song for me mod 👍 (you only get the first few seconds)

[brisk vessel]

i like the sun pattern

[feral bear]

Minior being rock flying is so weird like just give us cosmic type already

[brisk vessel]

space type

[rocky condor]

holy fuck. This some orchestral shit.

Like even more than his other songs

[brisk vessel]

it's the evangelion mod

they have tons of orchestral songs so it makes sense

[rocky condor]

I fucking knew it. It just had that vibe

[rocky condor]

Now, I ain't in the fnf fandom by any means, like that shit's fuckin horrid 😭

but funkgelion or whatever that shit is called is genuinely so good. I'm surprised that it's not more popular.

[brisk vessel]

old show ig so not as many people know it nowadays (who are still into the funny rhythm game anyhow)

this is my final mod so i will probably leave the community entirely once v2 comes out

[rocky condor]

genuinely the best choice one could make. I ain't never seen a fandom more toxic than fnf fandom. And i used to be in the undertale fandom. In 2015.

[brisk vessel]

truly a gen z moment

[rocky condor]

Yeah a few days ago, i decided to look up FNF on twitter just to see if i missed anything outside of mods and songs and jesus christ. I couldn't even scroll for 5 seconds without being bombarded by hundreds of drama posts.

I found some account that counts how many days the fandom can go without drama, and it literally almost never breaks 1 or 2 days. You wanna know the ironic part? People are literally starting to rag on this gimmick account saying it's part of the problem and is making everything worse.

Like guys, it's a fucking gimmick account 😭

[brisk vessel]

this is why i dont wanna get a personal twitter account

[pale flame]

fnf lmao

twitter sucks

[hushed mantle]

Call me out if i’m wrong but i heard there hasn’t been a new update since the tankman one

[high haven]

No you right

[agile olive]

I had a fandom gimmick account but the thing it was a fandom for finished so I sadly dropped it

[alpine rune]

Another reason why I never use twitter aside from browsing "art"

I feel like Undertale and MHA fandom are even more psychotic on Twitter

[prime dust]

everything is crazier on twitter

reddit and tumblr are superior

reddit because you can be wrong and for the most part not get dragged into something stupid
tumblr because it is canonicaly a fae site

[white meadow]

Time for mass propaganda

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/isopod-yippee-yippee-gif-yippie-hooray-gif-9353791096114419408

[agile olive]

me watching meg 2 and seeing an isopod

[neat hemlock]

I like these less than the originals except for the otter... And magmortar
This is an improvement on them

[sterile spoke]

So we all voted for Ribombee and Pangoro, right? 🙂

Right?

[clever atlas]

I didn't

[sterile spoke]

You're not a Spriter, so that's okay. 😄

[clever atlas]

I voted for absolutely nothing

Not even lycanroc sadly

[simple gulch]

i mean they can vote throught the blizt

[clever atlas]

?

[simple gulch]

check event

[sterile spoke]

You have to upload it to #sprite-gallery, so you still need to be a Spriter. 😛

[simple gulch]

but kiwi said u can ask a mod to post them for the event if you have yet to be a spriter

[sterile spoke]

I don't see a lot of people doing that, if anyone. 😅

[lofty yoke]

When the new Pokémon will be added to the game ?

[simple gulch]

feel like there would be a huge update close by November

[mystic crystal]

I gave them both a three The ribombee propaganda worked on me

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

https://tenor.com/view/blitzle-shock-wave-pokemon-gif-12335843659507587009

[sterile spoke]

You're my new favourite. 🙂

[shadow swift]

Where do I vote for stuff

[violet current]

i love ribombee and pangoro

[violet current]

missed ur chance sorry

[shadow swift]

Oh damn, nevermind I guess

[pallid phoenix]

fomantis

[lofty spindle]

We stand together!

[lofty spindle]

Isn#t it until the 20th?

[violet current]

this person isn't a spriter, I'd imagine the wait for spriter role is too long to be able to vote before the deadline

[lofty spindle]

Ah... nah that would still work out, took me a single day I recall, if even that.

[violet current]

I'm shocked

[alpine rune]

[sterile spoke]

That was back when there weren't over 400,000 members. 😛

[lofty spindle]

That was like a month ago.

I keep leaving the server from time to time and need to reapply for the role.

[sterile spoke]

That's because you already have the role and you're reapplying, then. 😅

The role should persist now, so you automatically get it back if you were to leave and come back, though. 🙂

[lofty spindle]

Neat.

[violet current]

i decided i didn't really care abt the vote and would rather wait to apply until it was over so that i wouldn't clog the applications

[sterile spoke]

You're not clogging the applicaitons by applying! You have as much a right to apply as anyone else. 🙂

[sterile spoke]

You, sir, are not based. 😦

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/based-omori-aubrey-gif-24284361

[white meadow]

Yeah haha

[sterile spoke]

I'm not seeing Ribombee and Pangoro here. 😛

[alpine rune]

Man just voted 3 on everything

[sterile spoke]

But I am seeing Mienshao, which is good. 😄

[white meadow]

I didnt

[simple gulch]

what about? 🤥

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-want-to-be-happy-meme-doggo-berserk-gif-27497774

[sterile spoke]

High skill ceiling because of the angles of the flowers. 😅

[simple gulch]

Xeno moment

[sterile spoke]

I typically vote for ones that would be fairly easy for newcomers to take a stab at as well. 🙂

[brisk vessel]

You know what mon would be easy to sprite

Melo-

[sterile spoke]

It's why I don't like options like Necrozma. 😅

[simple gulch]

me lo deeze

[sterile spoke]

You ask a newcomer (or a veteran, honestly) to make a new pattern with Meloetta's hair and they'll hit you in the face. With a brick. 😛

[simple gulch]

ribbonbee is hard thou, skinny details

[brisk vessel]

Yall overestimate the difficulty of the music bars

Just one or two is already enough to get the message across (according to most sprites of them already)

[sterile spoke]

Nah, the sprite's easy enough to work with; you can change the head with ease. 🙂

[simple gulch]

pant for everyone

[sterile spoke]

Pangoro is the better Fighting/Dark option. 😛

[white meadow]

Hes easy

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-shock-surprised-dead-dying-gif-8357150

[white meadow]

This 100%

[brisk vessel]

He doesn't have pants

[mystic crystal]

Big Jacket vs Big Pant

[simple gulch]

but the line share the same palette (gen 6 moment) thus it would be boring to do head

also big details> skinny details

[sterile spoke]

I did a mockup of a Ribombee fusion. 🙂

[simple gulch]

palette swap detected

[sterile spoke]

I mean, I was making a simple fusion on purpose, but it's not just a palette swap. 😛

[simple gulch]

btw can u fix the base? the right arm is kinnda clumped with the scarf , if the mon even get in

[sterile spoke]

Not my base,so no. 😛

[simple gulch]

smogon = free

but yeah, that my problem with its skinny arm/leg, it can be mistaken for outline

where is your dragon now

[white meadow]

So and now with a pokemon that isnt just recolor and x on the mouth

[simple gulch]

blaziken or rayquazar

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-what-emote-gif-23702501

The potential is limitless. 😄

[simple gulch]

what about this gentleman?

[sterile spoke]

Honchkrow / Cutiefly. 😉

[brisk vessel]

His ass is NOT surviving this ETERNASLUDGE BOMB

[simple gulch]

why so toxic

[brisk vessel]

ETERNAFIRE BLAST

[simple gulch]

oh never mind

i have prankster

prankster thunder wave

[brisk vessel]

You will miss the 90% accuracy

[simple gulch]

fire blast 85%

[brisk vessel]

ETERNAFLAMETHROWER

[simple gulch]

prankster flash

[brisk vessel]

Flash

[sullen elbow]

Keen eye

[simple gulch]

but ~~enteranus ~~doesnt have it

[sullen elbow]

Just baton pass it some accuracy boosts

[sharp nebula]

go set the jable, its time for jinner

[sullen elbow]

jo jet jhe jable, jts jime jor jinner

[golden acorn]

I'm curious. What would be the potentially most broken addition to the game? Like in terms of fusion material.

[alpine rune]

hm

We already have shedinja, I dont think anything would top it

[mellow estuary]

Zacian crowned, intrepid sword

Tho ig no gen 8 mons

[alpine rune]

Maybe Lurantis or Malamar

[sullen elbow]

Maybe xerneas for geomancy

[alpine rune]

Xerneas is only ever op because of power herb

Pretty expensive investment for a regular run

[simple gulch]

might as well just quiver dance

or dragon dance

best mon is bidoof cus of simple

[silent acorn]

Might as well vote Lilligant and salazzle

To be honest the local regional having a signature ability should be criminal, makes all others bite the dust lol

[simple gulch]

slaz has dragon dance 在？

[silent acorn]

She can learn It yep.

As a tm that is

I would love either lurantis or malamar, I wanna make a simple tank infernape

Like the enemy throws anything weak agaisnt close combat, you use it and BOOM both defenses up right away

[simple gulch]

close combat spam, 8 time

[silent acorn]

Yep with pp max 8 close combats basically leave you set up for the rest of the battle

I think curse doest become worse doesn't it? Since its two buffs and one debuff, so the reverse is two debuff and one buff lol

[simple gulch]

contrary is broken,

[silent acorn]

Contrary is ultra broken, with infernape specially as infernape can learn close combat and overheat two debuffing moves, one with both defenses which might as well be a cosmic power and overheat lowering the spatck stat by 2x

Granted it doesn't work half as well if the mon doesn't have debuffing self moves

[simple gulch]

destiny bond moment

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-gif-23877390

[silent acorn]

Granted this ain't competitive so the Ai has to use that more often for it to be a problem

Also its the fact that if you fuse infernape with malamar it gets dark and psychic coverage due to the typying. So regardless of head or body you always get one to make it broken

[sterile spoke]

Come on gang, you know Ribombee and Pangoro are fantastic. ❤️

[silent acorn]

Have I mentioned the fact that on top of having contrary originally, Malamar also had a signature move?

[sullen elbow]

We totally need more jojo reference fusions

[silent acorn]

That only stop being signature on Gen 8 which remember... Won't show up

The stat reversing move topsy turvy is malamar only

[lofty spindle]

Ribombee would be perfect for Tower Of Grey!

Well, maybe Cutiefly at least.

[silent acorn]

That's weakass, I know everyone wants the Cream
Only Guzzlord can give people The Cream

[clever atlas]

But have you considered

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-pokemon-spheal-sphere-seal-gif-15438411

[sterile spoke]

Think how good Ribombee will be now that it's getting colder, and scarf season is upon us. 🙂

[gentle ferry]

I’ve been busy with spriting in free time but I hope Gastrodon will see support in spriter poll.

[simple gulch]

live slug reaction when primal kyoger used water spout

[upper echo]

ok but
toxicroak does the same thing and has poison touch too

just don't ever bring it out on sun

[simple gulch]

dry skin?

[glossy osprey]

dry touch

[silent acorn]

Actually they rank poison touch as 4/10

[upper echo]

the funniest kyogre check

[upper echo]

it's pretty decent
good to have 2 decently good abilities

[simple gulch]

dryskin should be wetskin when under rain

[upper echo]

just having the ability to randomly say nuh uh and poison mons is funny

[gentle ferry]

Gastro is more than just water immune, since it protects partner in doubles and boost sp. atk.

You can also have 2 gastro fusions spam surf to boost each other which is funny.

[silent acorn]

Dry skin i am not sure, the strat there is to exploit the fact the opponent would use sunny day and then switch to fire. How does dry skin work if the mon is fire type?

[simple gulch]

but u cant have both abitities at the same time ( me clueless)

[upper echo]

more options from 1 mon the better

[simple gulch]

but thunder

[upper echo]

2 people could fuse the same fusion and use it differently

[silent acorn]

I mean if fire types are immune to the damage of sunny day then that makes them usable in rain as it will heal then

[dense inlet]

but there's indeed a mod that allows u to use double abilities tho

[upper echo]

it does not exactly work like that

more like certain abilites make you take dmg from sun
like solar power a ability that a fire type has

[silent acorn]

Well dry skin i think makes fire effective agaisnt you, so... How does that work when you have fire, water or rock type combos?

[upper echo]

dry skin just simply increases the dmg of fire type moves by 25% against you

the type chart isn't really relevant

[silent acorn]

Hm. So basically they would have a nerf of 25% due to type?

[sullen elbow]

Parasect moment

[silent acorn]

Ember

[upper echo]

the funniest ubers uses ever

[sullen elbow]

Ah yes because kyogre learns ember

[silent acorn]

Kyogre learns ice moves so... Still screwed

Actually Toxicroak is more effective agaisnt pelipper strats although there is no pelipper, and kyogre doesn't have something super effective agaisnt Toxicroak aside from earthquake

I am gonna claim it right now, malamar, lurantis or golisopod offer the most gameplay wise

They each have interesting themes and good designs so they offer the most overall. Sorry lilligant, tsareena and lycanroc

[lofty spindle]

Imagine one combined with Whimsicott then,

I do wonder though, do we have new info about when we will see the next reveal?

[sterile spoke]

It's not entirely very far away. 🙂

[prime dust]

some might even say Soon™️

[sterile spoke]

I didn't want to say soon in case people thought it was like tomorrow. 😛

[white meadow]

Im so exited for the next reveal

[sterile spoke]

It's not like tomorrow. 😂

[white meadow]

Yeah its on wednesday

[prime dust]

the ™️ means it could be tomorrow, or it could be 3 years from now

that's the beauty of Soon™️

[simple gulch]

tomorrow we will have IF with 1000 mon to fuse

[prime dust]

I also already have said that the earliest we would likely see the reveals would be the 21st of Oct, as that would be the usual Saturday for reveals, a little bit more than 2 weeks after the announcement of Amaura and Aororus; and would also be a day after the Blitz entry deadline

[simple gulch]

where can i get a shiny hawlucha sprite?

@arctic sail could i have one?

[sterile spoke]

Smogon, the same place you'd get a normal Hawlucha sprite. 😛

[simple gulch]

but how can i extract them?

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-5905854439703930680

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-want-to-be-happy-meme-doggo-berserk-gif-27497774

[stone ibex]

kingambit and the primeape evo should be added frfr

they wouold be so cool

[sterile spoke]

Neither of those are Gen VII or earlier Pokémon. 😛

[stone ibex]

can there only be gen 7 or earlier?

[sterile spoke]

Yes, that's been known for a while. 😅

[stone ibex]

i dont follow the game a stupid amount yet but im starting to

but i do 100% want my alolan ninetales

[orchid vault]

Am I going crazy or was grimsnarl in the previous vote but not in the spriter vote (despite not being a legendary)?

[prime dust]

regional variants might not happen at all, at best you'd get an alt sprite for the base mon, or a reference sprite for a fusion...

but in regards to the nothing past Gen 7 #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[prime dust]

you're going crazy, nothing past Gen 7 was in the poll in any capacity

[stone ibex]

is there a reason fr reigonals?

[prime dust]

you can check against the tiermaker link Zan posted which is in the pins

[orchid vault]

uh. I guess it was wishfull thinking lol

(he's do great fusion tbh)

[prime dust]

I don't think we have a listed/known one for regional variants

if I had to guess, it is because that would mean any regional variants would require a separate dex entry and separate encounter locations

[stone ibex]

he would grimsnarl is just so sexy but maybe in a distant future

[stone ibex]

yea its bascially just like adding a new pokemon

[prime dust]

right now the only change they have in mind of possibly doing is alt forms [think Distortion World Giratina or Sky Shaymin]

[stone ibex]

yea i was thinking what they do with like other games and just have a random trainer that you can trade with to get the other version

[prime dust]

and that is only because of Oricorio

[stone ibex]

i love oricorio

[orchid vault]

regional variants are functionally new pokemons, but with the same general body shape as an existing mon so fusion wise they aren't bringing as much to the table as a completelly new mon...

[stone ibex]

no but i think its amazing anyway alolan ninetales is my second favourite pokemon

[prime dust]

I would assume it is possible, as long as the data for the regional variant exists via Gen 7

its just a matter of if Frogman and the other staff would be willing to add them in and how they would be done

i.e., would it just be a form change like Ori, or a brand new entry of that mon with said regional typing

[stone ibex]

im down with etiher

[simple gulch]

we should addd cutiefly

[sterile spoke]

We should add Cutiefly. 🙂

[stone ibex]

agreed

[sterile spoke]

And Pancham. 😄

[stone ibex]

i would like the alola starters

[prime dust]

Gen 5, 6 and 7 starters got dq'ed from the vote, they may get added in later since we wanted them so much

[sterile spoke]

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message
the pin in question

[stone ibex]

YOooooo hell yea

and ribombee/whimsicott would be amazing

[sterile spoke]

It wasn't saying they're getting added, it was saying they aren't getting added. 😛

[stone ibex]

im to tired to read bro they should be added tho theyre amazing

[simple gulch]

not that thou

[autumn radish]

I honestly think that Lurantis, or at least Ribombee, should be added.

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-adventure-time-garbage-lemongrab-dumpster-fire-gif-20383813

[simple gulch]

mahalar =every mon up sidedown ( hitmontop who)

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-shock-surprised-dead-dying-gif-8357150

?tag rule1

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

1. Try to be nice. Not just in this server, either, this is a good rule for life in general. Assume the best intentions of those you speak to, apologise if you hurt them, and allow them to apologise if they hurt you. Politeness and patience can stop a lot of unnecessary aggression. This obviously means no homophobia or racism or anything either.

[stone ibex]

mod abuse frfr

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-riot-torches-pitchforks-gif-5859895

[autumn radish]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[silent acorn]

Solar blade
Two turns, sunny day, instant kill

[silent acorn]

Well that's something someone said

[dim sparrow]

it depends, some snorlax are black, some snorlax are blue

[silent acorn]

Some snorlax are fat and some snorlax are robust

[dim sparrow]

some snorlax sleep other perma-blink

[silent acorn]

Lol imagine it becoming an announcement, You cant portray snorlax as black because it reminds you of your uncle Jack who sold snake oil for a living in a community with no snakes

[silent acorn]

What is this? Darkrai with..

[coral solar]

Snorlax

[silent acorn]

Huh that looks to feminine...

[coral solar]

i.e. Black Snorlax

[silent acorn]

Looks quite like an anime chibi or something

[high haven]

"We have decided to remove the pokémon Aegislash due to the vast majority of fusions representing the promotion of violence" ||(joke)||

[coral solar]

Fine, take the evil-looking one instead then

[white meadow]

i thought snorlax was a dark blue color?

[coral solar]

He is. He's cream-beige/dark teal-blue

[prime dust]

he is, sometimes the other mon color takes over

[coral solar]

Shiny Palossand boutta make every mon black

[white meadow]

bruh

[high haven]

Shiny Sandyghast & Palossand are some of the best shinies in my opinion

[coral solar]

Without question. I question the concept of a literal sand castle Pokemon, but the design is actually very good

[wheat jay]

whese the website to view all the sprites

[prime dust]

points to the living trashbag and sewage

[clever atlas]

?tag daena

[opal trail]

https://if.daena.me/

[white meadow]

i'm thinking that palossand is gonna be a new "this pokemon creates amazing fusions" type of pokemon

[coral solar]

There are several different ones. I persoanlly use https://if.daena.me/

[coral solar]

Palossand head fusions are all just gonna be "the Body mon, but make out of sand"

[wheat jay]

is the a sprite for double palkia?

[white meadow]

Aegislash: Armored fusions and weapon fusions
Palossand: sand sculptures and buildings

[coral solar]

Electrode: BALL

[clever atlas]

We ballin

[coral solar]

I'm still stanning Vanilluxe though.

I want my endless ice cream flavors fusions

[white meadow]

starmie/electrode and unown/electrode

[high haven]

Miltank: L A C T A T I O N

[coral solar]

Banned

[meager python]

He isnt wrong

[coral solar]

I know, that makes it worse

[white meadow]

Oh god, thanks for giving me the idea: Vanilluxe with Blaziken, and it's a chicken leg topped with vanilla ice cream

[meager python]

I would like you to think about what you say before you say it.

[prime dust]

chicken and waffles

[coral solar]

TRIPLE BANNED

[meager python]

Blaziken and Slurpuff

[prime dust]

it'd work better with vanilluxe...as ice cream can be added to that with 0 issue

[white meadow]

i've done 30 runs of this game, i've played it too much, longtime playing member

i don't know where tf i'm going with this, so i'm just gonna send a gif of a pokemon i want in the game

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[meager python]

I have only played 4 runs…

[coral solar]

This is valid.

Pachirisu is GOATed

[meager python]

The pachurisu stans are carried by it winning worlds 1 time

[white meadow]

Like, what other sinnoh pikachu clone is there? There is none! So that's why pachirisu is perfect for IF.

[white meadow]

I just like it because it looks good

[meager python]

Fair

[coral solar]

idgaf about worlds lmao, I just like the cute squirrel

Though Pachirisu+Garchomp would definitely have to be a Worlds reference

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/slurpuff-good-morning-wake-up-pokemon-gif-27675576

[crude vortex]

pachi best pika clone

[hushed mantle]

It’s morpeko

[crude vortex]

that's the worst one

[coral solar]

Plusle and Minun walked so Pachirisu could run.

Pachirisu ran so that every copycat who came after would try and fail to catch up

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/morpeko-pokemon-anime-gif-24367920

[white meadow]

yes, even morpeko

you know those throw pokeball plush toys in like (2007-ish), i still have the plushie for pachirisu

[cinder oasis]

It's the hungry fatso, togedemaru

[white meadow]

well yeah, it's a fat round ball

[prime dust]

the best pikaclone is mimikyu, all others are invalid

[white meadow]

but we're talking about the best pikachu clone from sinnoh, very different than the fat round ball

[white meadow]

technically speaking isn't it a pikachu wannabe, since it dresses up as pikachu, and the main body itself isn't a pikachu clone

[coral solar]

By definition it IS a Pikachu wannabe. It isn't a Pikachu clone, however.

[white meadow]

true

[coral solar]

but if Mimikyu wanted to be my friend, it should have dressed up as a Mudkip

I see a Pikachu, I immediately punt it

[marble meadow]

delcatty litwick

one more feline Pokémon would be nice

[autumn radish]

To be fair, Emolga's typing helps it from ground-type mons... Plus, Pawmot does have good attack and speed.

[coral solar]

I want Puurloin/Liepard because I'm a rebel

[agile sun]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-lycanroc-midnight-gif-2020543792980130829

[autumn radish]

Why not have both Glameow/Purugly and Purrloin/Liepard?

[coral solar]

I mean yes, both is good

[coral solar]

What dance does Sablelolo do

[prime dust]

a weird mix of the chicken dance and the macarena

[grizzled cradle]

beautiful google images jpeg quality

[silk narwhal]

necrozma spotted

that roserade is cool as fuck

[marble meadow]

but legendary its a slim chance that we get 1 more mythical/legendary

but so far these new mons we got are solid

[graceful torrent]

Every Pokémon in necrozma armor is undeniably cool as fuck

[coral solar]

Question

Would Necrozma's alternate forms be counted separately for fusions?

Curious if I could get a Necrozma/Solgaleo/Lunala triple fusion by combining Sun-Mode Necrozma with Lunala

[arctic sail]

Lmao sure, here’s a link https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/hawlucha.png

Honestly, the sheer magnitude of good quality Showdown sprites is astounding, like, just look at this: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani-back-shiny/sylveon.gif

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-happy-happy-happy-cat-happy-dancing-cat-gif-716006509349864265

[arctic sail]

OMG LOOK AT THIS ONE, ITS SO CUTE
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani/goodra-hisui.gif

MY BABIES
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani/rockruff.gif
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani-shiny/rockruff.gif

It looks a bit stiff to me but it’s still baby 😭
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani/ribombee.gif

[simple gulch]

yippie

[simple gulch]

bc it doesnt blink

[arctic sail]

[hollow creek]

There’s real talent there

[arctic sail]

And this one is such a good resource for the wings!!!!
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5ani/noivern.gif

[simple gulch]

if only anyone can animate my sptites

[arctic sail]

Agreed 😔😭
I did come across this https://smackstudio.com/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=channel somewhat recently which seems like an interesting option but I don’t know much about it

[coral solar]

I'm sure that once all Pokemon are in IF and all possible combinations have custom sprites, then the spriters will move on to making animated sprites.

Why yes, I do have a canister of copium strapped to my face, why do you ask

[simple gulch]

wait u in 50 year

[lofty spindle]

I now imagine Bane but with Copium.

[full ether]

I was born in the copium you were mearly raised in it

[thorny ferry]

With the new mons added, we will have to do a bajillion of sprites

[old bluff]

I became one with the copium. I am still coping for lurantis

[frank oxide]

i am the copium

[thorny ferry]

I straight up created copium (I believe you can make it in bruxish)

[lofty spindle]

And I... am... Ribombee...

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-marvel-infinity-stones-infinity-gauntlet-gif-14609145

[thorny ferry]

And then, the crowd celebrated

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lofty spindle]

*gives it bug-type

What now?

[tame flax]

Scolipuff

What now?

None shall withstand

The Cakening

[lofty spindle]

Especially not Lopunny?

You heard it here first folks, Slurpuff voters wanna give Lopunny hella cake, gotta prevent this! ;P

[full ether]

I mean....

Wait no

[tame flax]

Let there be sweet confections

[golden acorn]

Starmie x Slurpuff is gonna be funny

[silent acorn]

In a way slurpuff body is better than vanilluxe body for the food stuff. Vanilluxe is just kinda hard with the body shape and structure

Slurunny sounds dirty

[full ether]

Ah yes Mr. Puff that would be neat to see

[tame flax]

The name splits would be slurp and puff

[lofty spindle]

No... I think the P would only go to one or the other.

[tame flax]

There are mons that give the letter to both

[lofty spindle]

Can you name an example?

[white meadow]

Scolipede with slurpuff?

[silent acorn]

Slurunny it is.

[tame flax]

Gloom

[silent acorn]

How did lopunny separate again?

[lofty spindle]

How does it seperate?

[tame flax]

Glo and oom

It's double fusion is glooom

[silent acorn]

I mean there is no need for that with slurpuff to be honest

[tame flax]

That would be slurpede

[silent acorn]

Does... Is slurpuff cream?

[tame flax]

No he's cake

[white meadow]

I was unsure if you just switched around the name

[tame flax]

Slurpuff with a scolipede body would be a long cake

Scolipede with a slurpuff body would be a cake decorated to look like scolipede

[white meadow]

Thats why I send the pic in

[restive arrow]

a twinkie or log cake

[tame flax]

Yes

[white meadow]

True all of them would just be decorations

[silent acorn]

seems like loppuff yep

[restive arrow]

use slurpuff and lopunny to make a carrot cake joke instead of a lewd joke

[silent acorn]

Can I mention how loppuff would be the cutest fusion name ever?

[tame flax]

All according to cake

[restive arrow]

MEOWTH + SLURPUFF COULD BE CAKE
LIKE ADVENTURE TIME FIONNA AND CAKE

[tame flax]

cake means keikaku
Keikaku means plan

[silent acorn]

C H O N G U S

[sullen elbow]

why not both?

[silent acorn]

Now you could take Loppuff one of these ways, you either make a carrot covered big chongus or you make a cute bunny with long ears and holding caramel cream carrots

[white meadow]

I make a Ginger Bread Bunny coverd in frosting

[silent acorn]

this is a pretty cool image for fusions only having to change faces

[restive arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gemini-home-entertainment-my-reaction-to-that-information-analog-horror-deep-root-disease-gif-25895621

[white meadow]

Wow I voted 3 on your boi

[silent acorn]

Huh neat. Closer to having eels

[white meadow]

With a boost makeing it 36 points

[tame flax]

Slurpuff would be one of the most creative options available

[restive arrow]

based ty zero

[white meadow]

slurpedo 🔥

[tame flax]

Iirc, they aren't eels

[restive arrow]

nope! lampreys and leeches

[white meadow]

I only gave 9 Pokemon a 3 and only because I would love all in the game

[dry nest]

Beheeyem

[steel bramble]

With so many votes posted... one could make a bell curve. Not I, out of laziness.

[prime dust]

the only thing i wouldn't give 3 in that is Beheeyem

I think we're mostly okay on Psychic types so I'd look into other mons that have low type numbers

stuff like the Floette line , the Vanilite line, the Timburr line

[robust geyser]

Pretty good, except Malamandre, Mangriff & Snake friend

[tame flax]

Who?

[robust geyser]

idk, you can google the name of the pokemon in english for a change 🤷‍♂️

[prime dust]

Malamar, Zangoose/Seviper

[arctic sail]

Midday Lycanroc/Mawile! https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1163557223121829898
They're good dog(-things)! They wouldn't even bite your head off or anything! ;)

[white meadow]

My brain isnt braining

[prime dust]

and it was in this moment, they knew, they f$%ked up

this has been Morgan Freeman, randomly narrating something