pif-hoenn-discussion

[cedar fjord]

because we have so many stupid fast legendaries

[brisk vessel]

Baton Pass Substitute also works tbf

[cinder oasis]

It's decent in UUBers

[cinder oasis]

That's ten times worse

[brisk vessel]

With Sub up Shedinja can't get status'd

[cedar fjord]

infiltrator pierces sub though iirc

[brisk vessel]

Infiltrator against Tera Electric Air Balloon ah yes

[cinder oasis]

Ah yes, Noivern and chandelure, the biggest menaces ever

[alpine rune]

*abomasnow entered the chat

[cedar fjord]

right that's my point, the only theoretical counters aren't viable

[cinder bridge]

I knew someone who can make the uhh

[brisk vessel]

Weather is literally the only thing that can stop Shedinja

[cinder bridge]

Unknown type on Pokémon showdown, but idk if it can happen in game

[brisk vessel]

So if you aren't running a weather team you basically instantly lose

Hence the ban to AG

[cinder oasis]

Just use sunny day since it learns it

[brisk vessel]

Tbf that requires good prediction but it does work if you can make the read

[cinder oasis]

They can't hit you with anything when you have subbed Tera electric Air balloon Shedinja

[brisk vessel]

Also I just remembered they removed the DoT of Snow Warning so Sandstorm is the only thing that works 100%

[cedar fjord]

Tyranitar stays winning

[brisk vessel]

I'm talking about if they switch in like TTar on the turn you attack

[cinder oasis]

Literally the only semi viable counter is ttar

[brisk vessel]

If you don't sunny day on the turn TTar switched in it's joever (for Shedinja)

[cinder oasis]

True

[cedar fjord]

does Mold Breaker let you hit through Wonder Guard immunity

[brisk vessel]

Yea but you still gotta deal with the sub

[alpine rune]

Why is it always the feesh pokemon that kept being the biggest menaces to a special wall

[brisk vessel]

Which gives Shedinja the turn to set up and sweep with shadow sneak

[cedar fjord]

I mean even with +2 Sheddy's got 90 base attack

[sturdy breach]

And then you Tera Normal 🙂

[cinder oasis]

Theres a lot of counters but if your already on the field and if you have a sub it's joever for them

[brisk vessel]

It would be +4 actually since you need 1 turn to switch to ur mold breaker and another turn to break the sub

[cinder oasis]

Also that they would need to switch into a ground type

Wait no, nvm womp womp

Important to mention there's only one dark type that gets Mold breaker and it's not a very good one and it would rather use it's other ability

[sturdy breach]

Also, do sound moves still bypass Sub?

[cinder oasis]

Hyper voice does

No pokemon that has hyper voice gets Mold breaker though

[brisk vessel]

They do but none of them can hit Tera Electric with Air Balloon Shedinja

[alpine rune]

Bamboozle your enemies by brining Tera-normal shedinja without air balloon

[cinder bridge]

Honestly forgot what mood breaker does

[brisk vessel]

Mold breaker just makes your moves ignore abilities

[cedar fjord]

lets you ignore your opponent's ability

[sturdy breach]

Round, Disarming Voice should also work. But I don't know if any mold breaker mons can learn those

[cinder bridge]

Ohhh

[sturdy breach]

Bug Buzz as well

[cedar fjord]

I mean Pangoro does get Hyper Voice and Mold Breaker

[brisk vessel]

Special Attacker Pangoro 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[sturdy breach]

Nah, just dedicate a move to deal with Shedinja if it's such a menace

[cinder oasis]

Nobody would use that

[cedar fjord]

yeah but dedicating a whole slot is a lot bigger ask

[brisk vessel]

Just saying that the reason Shedinja is AG is cuz it literally forces you to take it into account and if you don't you lose instantly

[cinder oasis]

Special attacking Pinsir goes crazy 🔥

[sturdy breach]

It all depends on what is popular, if electric Tera air ballon shedinja is running rampant you might actually see it 😄

[brisk vessel]

Its mere presence is enough to completely shift how teams are built because you NEED something for it or you die

[sturdy breach]

Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened

[cinder oasis]

Zacian moment and dracovish moment

[cedar fjord]

shoutouts to Gen IV Scizor and its 70%+ use rate

[brisk vessel]

Zacian got nerfed so not so much for it anymore

And I think a fast enough scarfer counters The Vish well enough (or like Water Ogerpon)

[cinder oasis]

Vish would still be a menace

[cedar fjord]

that's why you secretly tech Dracozolt

[brisk vessel]

If you don't have an answer to it then yea

[cinder oasis]

Exactly

[sturdy breach]

I still don't see how Dracovish could become such a menace when the pseudo of the gen should straight up body it

[brisk vessel]

I guess the reason Shedinja is so hard to deal with is cuz it basically ruins one of your mons for them to account for it

Whereas with like The Vish a good enough pokemon that counters it would already be generally good to begin with

[cinder oasis]

It bodies everything that it outspeeds

[brisk vessel]

Cuz people underestimate the 50% speed boost of Choice Scarf

[cinder oasis]

Hitting 57% on toxapex is wild

[brisk vessel]

And Fishious Rend ruins everything

Nowadays we have stuff like Miraidon and Chi Yu for OP Nukers

[cinder oasis]

Fishious rend and Bolt beak are the most overpowered moves ever made

Also it's important to mention that Tera water Vish with fishious rend would be monstrous

[sturdy breach]

Guess it's the OP in 1v1 thing again as well. In doubles people were caught off guard at first but very quickly adapted, making it fade from the meta very fast

[brisk vessel]

So called Fishious Rend Spammers when I swap in my silly Wellspring Ogre

[cinder oasis]

Basically all the gen 8 fossils except arctovish are diabolical

[sturdy breach]

Ogrepon is the friend we all need

Need to whack some sense into a Heatran? We got an Ogre for that as well 😄

[cinder oasis]

Vish would do the job better but ogerpon is better in other uses

[brisk vessel]

Ogerpon has good general use

[cinder oasis]

Also that ogerpon has special terastilize this gen

[brisk vessel]

And it's terastal ability with the fire mask is just Pre-Nerf Intrepid Sword

[sturdy breach]

Yup, but on a much less broken type

And you need to use your Tera for it obviously

[cinder oasis]

I wonder if G-Darm and Vish will be Ubers still, maybe but idk

[sturdy breach]

I also just remembered why I never had issues with Dracovish in the first part of SwSh singles, Galarian Corsola

[cinder oasis]

G-Darm would but Vish idk

[cinder oasis]

Knock off moment

[sturdy breach]

Which the Vish doesn't learn as far as I know

[cinder oasis]

I know, just meant that G-corsola isn't the most threatening pokemon so you could just switch out and use knock off

[sturdy breach]

Which results in a Will-O-Wisp on what comes in (or Strength Sap if it wasn't predicted) and a swap out before you knock off

[cinder oasis]

Well strength sap isn't really gonna do much to stop the knock off and if you switch you lose an item on another pokemon and take damage

Also using a special attacker goes womp womp, there's also Taunt

[high haven]

...got any interesting fusion ideas for Seviper?

[sturdy breach]

My answer is always Goodra 😉

[cinder oasis]

Aegislash?

[sturdy breach]

But almost everything would work with Pallosand as well

[alpine rune]

i couldnt figure out what to do with it

Actually let me rephrase

I cant draw sand

I want to make Heracross horn to be just a shovel but whatever i do, me drawing a sandman like heracross came off wrong

fuck it

ima just copy paste

[lofty spindle]

Well then, I did all the sprites I wanted to, 4 votes for the next addition.

[frosty lily]

what gen are the pokemon added up to?

not all of gen 3 4 or 5 right?

[autumn radish]

We got some from Gen 3, one from Gen 4 (which is an evo from a gen 3 mon), two evo lines from Gen 5, and many from Gen 6 and Gen 7.

Here's the current rundown:
Gen 3 are Sableye, Glalie, Cacturne, Altaria and Sharpedo;
Gen 4 is Froslass (which evolves from Snorunt);
Gen 5 is Scolipede and Garbodor;
Gen 6 is Tyrantrum, Trevenant, Goodra, Noivern, Aurorus and Hawluca
And Gen 7 is Oricorio, Dhelmise, Bewear, Toxapex and Palossand.

[frosty lily]

alright fair

do we get new regions later?

[autumn radish]

I'm afraid it would be near impossible.
It would require lots of time, and i'm not sure if the engine they're using is going to manage all that.

[high haven]

I finally fell through with my Seviper fusion based on Zabimaru, and it's with Trevenant!

[white meadow]

Even if Seviper dont get in you can make it a Rayquaza fusion and even have it a main sprite

[sterile spoke]

No. Johto's not even fully added as is because the maps require too much space. 😦

[frosty lily]

damn

[robust geyser]

What about Pokemon IF 2 ?

That would require absolutely no work to create everything again from scratch

[sterile spoke]

[brisk vessel]

If Infinite Fusion is so good why isn't there an Infinite Fusion 2

[robust geyser]

Frogman should make a game called infinite fusion^2 where you don't fuse pokemon but fuse pokemon fangame

You could make pokemon infinite uranium or shit like that

[lofty spindle]

Well then technically Roserade is also gen 4 no?

[lofty spindle]

I think the devs of that new Drawn To Life game made something like this before.
Apparently it wasn't good.

[wise citrus]

Didn't they just list the new pokemon for fusion? Roserade is in already?

[lofty spindle]

New ones, but was this not about what gens past 2?

[wise citrus]

Gen 1 and 2 are fully in

From 3 onwards it's fewery and not the whole gen is in

I think they just sorted the new arrivals into their gen

[tame flax]

Outside of gens 1 and 2, I think gen 4 has the most representation

[robust geyser]

It's also because gen4 has a lot of evo of gen1 and 2 mon in it

[chrome bane]

Have we got a estimated date when these new mons are being added yet or?

[alpine rune]

Thanks I made it myself

[prime dust]

not near, it is impossible

[prime dust]

we have a soft confirm of later this month, but just assume maybe november

[woven maple]

So on a more speculative note, where exactly do we think the new pokemon will be ecountered? (For now let's assume Classic Mode)

Gen 6 fossil pokemon will obviously be a rematch with the scientist, maybe on Cinnabar or something so you can instantly revive the one you pick

Venipede line might be strictly Ilex Forest, but I can also see them in the Safari Zone. Viridian feels too early, but it's possible (at night?)

Sableye is probably Union Cave, maybe the tomb in Safari Zone

Snorunt line is obviously Ice Mountains

Dhelmise could be a super rod fishing encounter or strictly in a Dive area, maybe even with a static encounter in Deep Sea or near the ruined ship

Stufful as a gift encounter from a child or something seems appropriate

Cacnea would be in the desert Safari Zone easily

Trubbish and Sandygast are from trash cans and sand castles, respectively

Not really sure where Swablu would go; I guess somewhere in the Sevil islands

[glossy osprey]

secret forest for swablu

[woven maple]

Would they put encounters strictly in the secret forest though? Considering what a pain it is to find without a guide, I assumed it'd just be Mew that's exclusive to there.

[silent acorn]

As I hate safari zones because of their location I think we could find cacnea after Brock on the rocky outcrop or after Mt. Moon.

[woven maple]

Currently Zorua is only found there, but it's also a gift encounter I'm pretty sure. Every other mon appears elsewhere

[woven maple]

Where after Mt. Moon? Is there a sandy place?

[glossy osprey]

near the lighthouse in ceruwhatever city could be a nice spot for cacnea as well

[silent acorn]

Ok true there is no sand there

[spice sage]

[glossy osprey]

wait no it wouldn't make sense it's not desert enough near lighthouse

[spice sage]

You're actually pretty close with some of these!

[woven maple]

Oh are they all completely decided?

[spice sage]

Pretty much yeah haha

[glossy osprey]

If guzzlord gets in I could see him being a static encounter in some cave

[lofty spindle]

Only wish I have: at least the majority should be avaiable before postgame.

Also, I can see Sandyghast happen if you try to destroy a sandcastle but have low karma.

[woven maple]

Come to think of it, are they going to be the same as the playtest? Haven't actually played that version myself yet.

[silent acorn]

I wish they are available before having to get the soul badge I always hated that progression

[prime dust]

nah, should be a post game event where you get invited to the celedon cafe to fight someone doing a pokemon all you can eat challenge; fight the trainer with guzzlord, win and then get guzzlord as a gift

[silent acorn]

Like by the time you get there most of your team are in the 30s to 40s range

Well aside from stuff like legends and mythicals

[prime dust]

if that was the case it'd be weird, they replaced the normal starters with Ori, and you just get all but trubbish outside the viridian pokecenter for free

[spice sage]

All of the voted ones that were announced so far are available before the postgame in some way. Some of the blitz ones are postgame only though

[woven maple]

Dhelmise then?

[silent acorn]

Thank you Mr Frog, that's good to hear

[woven maple]

All the places an anchor would fit aesthetically that I can immediately think of are post game

[silent acorn]

Dhelmise could be fishing no?

I mean its kinda down there in the water

[spice sage]

Yupp Dhelmise will be a static encounter in the sunken ship in the sevii islands!

[woven maple]

Called it

[silent acorn]

Ah I see

[spice sage]

(also a rare fishing encounter in chrono Island)

[woven maple]

Mareanie also seems hard to fit in to pre E4, which kinda sucks cause I wanted to use it.

[silent acorn]

Yeah that seems like good placemeng

[silent acorn]

Well could be a fishing encounter or maybe you find it on the side of kogas gym?

[woven maple]

Besides that, maybe Hawlucha? Where on earth would you encounter that? The dojo in Saffron?

[silent acorn]

I mean its wrestling so...

Actually for snorunt the ice spots are mostly post game what would be a good spot? Mt moon?

[woven maple]

Seafoam

[silent acorn]

Oof that's really far into the gyms

But makes sense I guess.

[woven maple]

If they keep doing fossils in order, Aurorus and Tyrantrum would have to be after Celadon, so a similar difficulty there

[silent acorn]

Good thing the game has new game plus

[woven maple]

I can never get into NG+ though. Always feels better starting fresh. At best I'll give myself a specific starter.

[silent acorn]

Well I like NG+ mostly for the mons you can only encounter way later

[prime dust]

its pretty much either ^this^, or because you want to use 6 of 1 mon on your team

[silent acorn]

True. Mono runs

Of course it's cheaper if they kept items or something

[woven maple]

I should try a monotype nuzlocke at some point

[silk narwhal]

I can't keep living without the absolute certainty of Necrozma being one of the community picks

[silent acorn]

Early game necrozma fusions be nice

[woven maple]

Actually, I meant to ask this. Based on the leaks, and based on the comic from when Altaria and Noivern were revealed, the devs knew about the Sandygast line for a while. Did that mean they knew about the bonus blitz that long as well? Or were they planning on releasing it as a regular bonus pick and just put it in the blitz once they figured that out?

[silk narwhal]

Holy fuck Toad reacted

[silent acorn]

Partially why I wanted cosmog is because it fits well with the early game challenge thing

[silk narwhal]

Please Toad don't let me down

[woven maple]

If they saved the legendaries for last, and we get the 3 regis + necrozma at the next announcenment, I very much would not be surprised

[spice sage]

The list for the blitz mons shifted around a lot but a lot of it was decided before the vote results were even in

[woven maple]

So how long did you know that 20 was severely lowballing the total? I can imagine you cackling as we make our dream lists of those 20 knowing you'll put twice that in.

[spice sage]

But there were also a couple last minute additions like Hawlucha

[silent acorn]

Hawlucha is awesome

[spice sage]

The original goal was 20 community + 10 extras

[silent acorn]

We went over that no?

[spice sage]

But I just kept tacking more and more extras

yea

[silent acorn]

Noice. Well you guys made awesome choices. So props to you

[woven maple]

Come to think of it, what was the system if 19 pokemon were picked by vote and then the next highest vote total was a 3 mon line? Just stick them all in, or instead look for the highest remaining vote total for a single evolution pokemon?

[silent acorn]

I like cacturne but bewear is an awesome one.

[spice sage]

Ngl a lot of the blitz mons were Pokémon that I hoped would get picked in the community vote and when they didn't I was like "fuck it I'm adding them anyway"

[spice sage]

The latter probably

[glossy osprey]

my guzzfidence just skyrocketed

[woven maple]

One more question: what was the goal for the amount of custom sprites each new pokemon would have before getting added? What's the benchmark?

[spice sage]

There isn't one really

Just as many as possible I guess lol

[silk narwhal]

I swear I'll make a shitton of necrozma and meloetta sprites PLEase aughhh

[proud lion]

Would you put in another troll Mon that people wouldn’t be as hyped for like the elemental monkeys?

[woven maple]

What was the first troll mon in your opinion?

[spice sage]

I'll put one elemental monkey without the other two

[proud lion]

It better be Simipour

[silk narwhal]

Literally the ugliest one

[inland thorn]

best of the trio easily

[proud lion]

Stunfisk

[last pecan]

YES, YES, SIMISAGE TRUTHER

[woven maple]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

[jade night]

Okay but what about Lumineon

[woven maple]

Jk nobody cares about Stunfisk

[silk narwhal]

What about it

[jade night]

Best Pokémon

[silk narwhal]

cease

[spice sage]

Or actually I'll just add stunfisk a second time

[jade night]

Stunfisk 2

[proud lion]

Galatians Stunfisk is an alt tho

[silk narwhal]

Galarian stunfisk

[spice sage]

Not even

Just regular plain old stunfisk taking up two pokédex slots for no reason

[woven maple]

And we would need to make new sprites for all of its fusions

[proud lion]

Manaphy tho?

[jade night]

Heatmor is indeed one of the Pokémon of all time

[craggy lynx]

It has a design
It is a gen 5 pokemon

[prime dust]

ah yes, the only mythical pokemon that can breed

and give out something completely different that doesn't even evo

[jade night]

Surely one of them

[craggy lynx]

Truly one the most generation 5 mon of all time

[proud lion]

How long does adding one Pokémon take?

[prime dust]

somewhere between 1 second and the inevitable heat death of the universe

[white meadow]

pikachu clone propaganda?

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[limber niche]

Are gen 9 mons already up for consideration? I've realized just as Palossand unlocked "building" fusions, the Varoom line would unlock "vehicle" fusions, I've already got some ideas for Alt forms, Revavroom/(Origin Forme) Giratina being a very underworld inspired train , or Ledyba/Revavroom being a Volkswagen Beetle, or Chandelure/Revavroom being a horse drawn Carriage

[white meadow]

then what about pachirisu/revavroom?

[prime dust]

no

[limber niche]

Okay 😩

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[limber niche]

Ah

Thank you for linking to that

Guess I'll find other combinations to make these ideas lol

[lofty spindle]

Where there any overlaps that needed to eb accounted for?

[sterile spoke]

Modern Mode aims to have pretty much everything available before Celadon, if you're looking for a more diverse team. 🙂

[sterile spoke]

Gotta get more Fighting-types in, eh? 😉

[lofty spindle]

I did hear the suggestion of Pancham for this, also adding dark-types.

Also man Imagine Scrafty, all the punk fusions we could get...

However, one stands above all for additions.

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

[outer matrix]

The pinned message about what Pokémon will be added in the next version is missing amaura & aurous

[prime dust]

Blaq forgot

[silk narwhal]

Punk? What's punk about scrafty

It's just an idiot with way too large pants

[lofty spindle]

It... as a mowhawk?

[sterile spoke]

No it's not, it never was.

[silk narwhal]

That doesn't make it punk enough

[sterile spoke]

Scraggy and Scrafty are clearly based on punks and gangsters. 😅

[silk narwhal]

"Clearly"

[lofty spindle]

They're even popular with youtubers that share the aesthetic.

On a different note, since forms are now on the table, do you think we will see alolan Golem with Galvanize? That could be fun.

[sterile spoke]

Clearly. A mohawk and giant baggy pants, plus the hood and potentially even the dark eyes mimicking mascara. 😅

[prime dust]

regional varaints are different than form variations

given the new typings they get, wouldn't be doable to add them in that way; at best they'd be fusion reference alt sprites

when they say forms they mean stuff like shaymin or giratina

[sterile spoke]

I mean, it would theoretically be possible. I just don't think it's practical, though. 😛

[lofty spindle]

Oricorio is literally in the game and changes typing with its forms.

[prime dust]

fair

[prime dust]

see what blaq said in regards to my post...

[sterile spoke]

Because that'd be an extra 56 Pokémon (including regional evolutions, because you'd have to). 😛

[prime dust]

oof...yeah leave regional variants to being alt sprites of fusions

[sterile spoke]

Just the Alolan ones would be more doable, that's a more manageable 18, though still no small feat. 😅

[prime dust]

the issue there is soon as we do the alola ones, people will want the other regionals

better to just nix regional form variations entirely and have them be alt sprites

[lofty spindle]

I mean would we not be able to only add the alolan ones anyway?

[spice sage]

I mostly just forgot it existed until was looking for a single stage Pokemon to add and looked at the list

[lofty spindle]

Huh, so it was not added for wrestling-themed fusions?

[prime dust]

yes, but again, soon as they get added, people will just go "Why not add the other regional variants?"

just makes things easier to have them be alts of fusion sprites

[pale osprey]

there is only one regional variant by gen 7

this is the same "slippery slope" fallacy that people thought of UBs like "oh if they add one they have to add all of them"... no they dont lol

The only group of mons that I would conisdered really "paired" are box legendaries and starters, everything else works by themselves

we even have gigas without the other regis and thats completely fine

would it be better if the other regis were in to make his appearence more accurate lorewise? yes but its not a big deal, this game should prioritize fusion fun over lore accuracy

[fallen loom]

Personally I'd rather see few of the more unique ones get separate dex numbers

[pale osprey]

i think people wanting alolan ninetales is a valid ask, sure design wise it could just be a sprite but it has unique stuff mechanically. I dont personally care much about mechanics since I play for sprites but i think i still think its a valid ask... just later after this vote and the starters and only if its possible (and if frogman wants to ofc)

[wintry imp]

It helps that the other regis can and are regularly represented in Regigigas fusions

Whos to say the same can't be done for the regional varients

An Aurorus/Ninetales fusion could make for a lovely Alolan Ninetales

[pale osprey]

im ok with that. if its head aurorus it passes the second so its ice right? you would be forced into fire/ice typing, i think if later on they wish to do a few slots of regionals/alt forms i would vote for it to happen still

[prime dust]

this is more what i mean, more than likely that would be an alt sprite for that fusion, rather than the alolan ninetails be its own dex entry

[pale osprey]

if the argument is that there is not enough benefit to include alt forms at all then thats fine, i just dont like the "slippery slope" argument

i would still vote for it to happen but i understand if you think its not worth it.

[frank oxide]

you need more

[brisk vessel]

I have one desire

[frank oxide]

we're gonna have 39 new mons in total + all the raffles (wich i didnt count)

[cinder oasis]

Torkoal

[proud lion]

Preferably as shadow dropped surprise Pokémon

[clever atlas]

I have three desires

[prime dust]

all 1 one them

1 raffle mon/line from spriters, 1 poll mon/line vote from spriters, 4 remaining community votes

minimum amount we can get out of that setup is 6 mons...max is 15

[cinder oasis]

4 community and the trevenant rush, Blitz pick and raffle mon

[prime dust]

the rush is part of the raffle

the winner of that, from what i've heard, goes into the raffle selection for spriters that won contests of the new mons

the rest is correct

[glossy osprey]

so you gottagetlucky twice right?

[prime dust]

that is how i understood it yes

[frank oxide]

2 of them here i want in

[clever atlas]

Which two?

[frank oxide]

the lamprey i forgor and clawitzer,alo lycanroc just for 1 fusion in particular

[clever atlas]

Eelektross

I'd prefer lycanroc myself, but i'd be happy for either

[silent acorn]

I desire the petite plant lady

[silent acorn]

You are forgetting the spriter choice award
Oh the blitz pick is what you meant.

[silent acorn]

Its this propaganda? Because I didn't mean that kind of vote lol. Also you would have to Put that for spriters

[white meadow]

which one

[silent acorn]

Lily that's Gant

[white meadow]

ig

[wintry imp]

I just post it randomly whenever I'm in the chat lol

[silent acorn]

Ah ok.

[wintry imp]

It's for the remaining 4 slots, I doubt the spriters are gonna go for Minior lol

[silent acorn]

I mean you never know spriters are as random as spinda varieties

I saw one that made 10 Sprites saying he wanted luvdisk

[wintry imp]

I will be immencely surprised if Minior wins. But hey lets see what happens

[silent acorn]

Honestly would hope for them to use their vote on the big lines or atleast 2 line ones. Using this one for 1 stagers is a bit wasteful to be honest

Like I get it that some pokemon are awesome like that but the pick is not restricted by slots

[prime dust]

yep, that's why there are only 2 lines that are reliant on the spriter poll pick and the raffle pick

[silent acorn]

Same for raffle. But raffle is random and personal anyway

[wintry imp]

I agree. Hence why I was focusing on the community vote

[silent acorn]

Really?

[prime dust]

the monkeys [6 slots], and beautifly/dustox [5 slots]

[silent acorn]

As in we these lines only via raffle or they benefit from the raffles

[prime dust]

no i mean we can only get them via the raffle or spriter poll

[silent acorn]

Ah yeah I forget about that. Well there is also cosmog but that's more of a nonsense 4 stages
There is mothim but like... That one sucks a lot more than dustox and beautifly

Monkeys are many but they are mostly the same. It's their body that sucks unfortunately

[silk narwhal]

they suck as a whole

[silent acorn]

Well on head they could make decent things and they are 6 out of a single event thing, so not that bad in this case

I get goodra was awesome but if we knew there was a spriter thing it probably would have gotten through there

Luckily is the only 3 line. Snorunt doesn't count as that's divergent.

Regis are a decent choice, if swords get in people are gonna be annoying about keldeo

[prime dust]

by that logic the cosmog line shouldn't count as that is also divergent

[silent acorn]

Technically but also technically it's 3 stages so it's a bit more wasteful on the slot thing. Through raffle wouldn't cost anything

There is also the fact of not knowing if enough people voted solgaleo and lunala, which would mean community vote could potentially end with them.

[silent acorn]

There is the daily melosupre gif

I Wonder what the top pick at spriters vote currently is, last time they said it was gumshoos

[sharp nebula]

i kinda just post one when i remember to

[neon osprey]

Considering there are 4 more pokemon remaining, it's likely we could get the tapu's

[silent acorn]

Could be tapus, could be cosmog line, could be regis, could be anything really

[neon osprey]

It's oshawott but 4 times

[sharp nebula]

i dont think the tapus are very likely tbh

[hushed mantle]

Please let it happen 🙏

[prime dust]

it won't #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[silk narwhal]

IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE THE START OF THE VOTING??????'

[prime dust]

roughly

prob won't see the update til next month if that tease Blaq did awhile back is anything to go off of

[white meadow]

nahhh this is just the 73th of august

[prime dust]

wouldn't it be 73rd?

[quartz ginkgo]

I won't lie, I'm surprised Venipede got chosen for voting

Then again, excited to see combos with Bewear

[remote ibex]

this update's gonan come in december dawg

their coding in 30 new mons at the least

[silent acorn]

It didn't, it was an extra

[white meadow]

Where is the Problem with Venipede?

[silent acorn]

Probably because it's bug type
But scolipede is awesome.

[quartz ginkgo]

Oh not a problem, I just think that people would've honestly ignored it.

[verbal ridge]

Glad that Aurorus got in.
Now, I wonder what else we could have.

[white meadow]

Y should anyone ignore perfection tho

[silent acorn]

I actually saw the announcement for scolipede so... I changed my votes

[quartz ginkgo]

I guess it's just I'm used to like 70% of Gen 5 mons getting ignored

[silent acorn]

Its annoying but it happens.

[prime dust]

prob cause Gen 5 is the black sheep of the older gens

[frank oxide]

i need yveltal

[silk narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimple-sponge-its-as-shrimple-as-that-gif-27169116

[prime dust]

S/V is the new black sheep [Sw/Sh knows what it did wrong]

[silent acorn]

To be honest I didn't see much flaws in Gen 5 after Gen 4, I can see the flaws on Gen 8 with the dexit

[hollow quest]

gen 2 was the black sheep to me in terms of new mons for the older gens, half didn't even resurface until future retroactive evos

[silent acorn]

Playing heart gold felt way different because it had the new stuff

[cinder oasis]

Gen 2 had the worst new mons ever introduced, I don't understand how they thought leaving so many pokemon as single staged was a good idea

[silent acorn]

I heard back in the day Gen 2 was actually very painful

[hollow quest]

well the remakes are a different thing tbf, i mean the originals

the remakes actually had other gen's mons so they felt way more balanced

[silent acorn]

Yeah they did

[hollow quest]

not that the remakes fixed the level scaling or some shitty parts of the map (ice path), but it at least helped out

[silent acorn]

Gen 2 started pseudos well, I mean arcanine kinda was but that was nonsensr

[hollow quest]

dragonite is a pseudo

or at the very least, it was retroactively made into one

[cinder oasis]

It's still crazy to me that skarmory was more relevant then Metagross and Dragonite were basically

[prime dust]

no even back then it was a psuedo

[silent acorn]

Maybe it was or not. But Gen 2 if not for evos had a lot of stinkers.

[hollow quest]

i still like soul silver, but they are not the perfect games some claim. they still had big issues, just because pokemon could follow you around doesn't lessen the original issues

[silent acorn]

Like aipom, gligar. Sneasel and misdreavus was said to not as much but they were still single stage

[hollow quest]

thankfully many gen 2 mons got evos later, but before they did, it was pretty miserable looking

[silent acorn]

Weavile and gliscor only Got good at Gen 4

[cinder oasis]

it's still crazy that there was only 2 ghost types in gen 2 and one of them was a single stage

[frozen oracle]

Crazy part about gen 2 was skarmory was basically hidden away

[silent acorn]

Well not as much as the fact the flying type is a mixed bag, Xatu is only half good, bugs were fine, brought up steelix. And... Was umbreon the only dark type?

Skarmory and Magcargo are often confused for being Gen 3 because how little you saw them.

[hollow quest]

houndoom line was dark

[frozen oracle]

No trainer used it an you only find after 7 badges

[silent acorn]

Like gen 2 sucks in that regard compared to Gen 5 because it didn't use new stuff as much

[cinder oasis]

I thought Skarmory was gen 3 for a while, also, Magcargo is gen 2? I never knew that

[frozen oracle]

I was surprised that the only gen 5 mons to be added were frogman picks

[sharp sphinx]

venipede wasnt a frogman pick it was a staff pick

[frozen oracle]

Sorry, non community pick

[hollow quest]

some of the current scoliopede sprites are sick, glad it'll get in

[cinder oasis]

Meloetta is most likely a community vote so there's that

[rapid topaz]

tbh there was a lot of competition for good community picks lol

[dry cradle]

ima need the update with all the new pokemon to come out now. Chop chop game boys

[hollow quest]

be patient, it will come eventually

[white meadow]

Im so happy that Scolipede got in hes my Favorite

Maybe you can spot some fusions of the Venipede line from my fusions

I need to make more Scolis tho

[marble onyx]

Have tyrunt and tyrantrum been added?

[white meadow]

Yes like the third reveal

[hollow quest]

they'll be in the next update yes

[noble parrot]

wwwwwwwww

[gusty shuttle]

Are these only with new pokémon?

[silk narwhal]

Clearly not

[gusty shuttle]

Ah ok
Hey it's not that clear

[silk narwhal]

It is

[gusty shuttle]

It's not

[clever atlas]

It is though
Just use those two little balls in your head, idk if you've heard of them, they're called eyes

And the zoom function ig

[frank oxide]

i need yveltal

[white meadow]

Just all sprites i did -one I will redo and -alts

[zinc terrace]

Has the fusion calculator on daena updated with the announced mons?

[hollow quest]

it won't be until they're in the game

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[sharp sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-yveltal-gif-5801824

[sharp sphinx]

can't come out before they've finished reveaing them, and that can't happen until the votes and drawing the first cant happen till blitz ends on 20th latter till all other stuffs revealed and contests held

[silent acorn]

That's such a good intellectual roast I am impressed

One thing I wonder for the last reveal its that it would have less of a boost to incentivize fusions right?

Unless I don't know, it was something crazy good everyone would be pleased with

[sharp sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/xerneas-yveltal-legendary-pokemon-aura-trio-pokemon-gif-12199712193062540298

[neat hemlock]

I get the bird... He got a wing as a tail and claws on all his wings.

but the deer is just 'I've got colored antlers'

[neat hemlock]

I get this more than the deer

[bitter comet]

It’s not my favorite Pokémon because it’s too humanoid for my taste but it’s relatively OK and feel like there would be some interesting fusions with it

[sharp nebula]

meloetta is the best because music

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-gif-25622771

[sharp sphinx]

you can do a lotta cool sutff using those inv arious places as wings claws etc like we see with parts from many fusions, also life god theming has a ton of utility either directly of subeveted like corrupted god of unlife or something

[marsh rivet]

Zubat is DEAD

They killed him

[lofty spindle]

Made space in the roster for itself.

[silent acorn]

You talking shet about my deer friend?!

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-yu-gi-oh-seto-kaiba-3rd-rate-duelist-4th-rate-deck-gif-13967300904217084590

[silent acorn]

People like to shill on my deer friend but he has the most balance design, not too op not too weak and works excellent as what it is.

[bitter comet]

I do love me some plant deers

[marsh rivet]

Trevenuck is really cool

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/wyrdeer-legends-arceus-wonderful-beautiful-amazing-gif-25941480

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-checkyourself-gif-4709419

[marsh rivet]

Trevenant is a really cool mon overall, hes simple but good

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/dear-season-dear-gif-12614197

[silent acorn]

Well that's all sawsbuck needs to, he is not complex just simple and good

[neat hemlock]

He is literally the same

Just 'nature deer' instead of 'color horn deer'
Also, we got raindeer

[bitter comet]

I would love to fuse him with the other plant mons

[silent acorn]

Have you realized sawsbuck changes based on all the seasons and weather types there are?

Like my Boi could have palm trees growing out of his head with exeggutor

[white meadow]

pretty sure it's just season

[silent acorn]

He could have distortion work on his body with Giratina.
Different parts of the world different weather different seasons

[marsh rivet]

Its just seasons

[neat hemlock]

Almost like you got 4 different flavors with 1 mon

You COULD go so far as to make 4 season varients of all fusions

[bitter comet]

Or pine branches/bare branches with some type of ice type

[marsh rivet]

He changes based on season

[neat hemlock]

Yeah, but unless IF is gonna put in seasons (would be cool) then theres only manual changes

[marsh rivet]

You arent gonna see much difference between an autumn sawsbuck in this region than the other

[silent acorn]

No! I got you this time you little fox! There is more than 4 seasons in the planet!
*The six modern mid-latitude ecological seasons.
From bottom, clockwise:
prevernal, vernal, estival, serotinal, autumnal, hibernal

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/burmy-pokemon-gif-19870996

[marsh rivet]

Probably just custom sprites

[neat hemlock]

Correct

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, guess how many of those seasons sawsbuck takes into account

[neat hemlock]

Subdividing things doesnt change things.
You woulda been better arguing that there is also a wet and dry season

Got that whole jungle thing with the big rains and big droughts

[silent acorn]

You don't have to limit yourself you can use ANYTHING season, weather or festive related on it.

Hell you can make vampire deer with it

[marsh rivet]

Not really?? Unless i want to make a custom sawsbuck, sawsbuck is limited in seasonal designs

[silent acorn]

Why exactly is he limited?

[marsh rivet]

Also i doubt if they were in then fusions would take account different designs of sawsbuck

[silent acorn]

Nah, you just have to use the one you like. No need for the time changing stuff since that doesn't even work.

[marsh rivet]

Not like there is much sawsbuck designs

[silent acorn]

one

2

in fact someone made varieties of them.

[marsh rivet]

Meant base sawbuck variants

Theres only 4

[silent acorn]

this is. a cool wendigo

[neat hemlock]

This is just sakura / spring

[silent acorn]

And there is always one based pokemon pose and yet people make more of those all the time

[silent acorn]

One possibility out of 4 minimum.

[neat hemlock]

this reminds me of that green n black dog

[marsh rivet]

Yeah but the difference is other mons' whole thing isnt changing design based on the season theyre found in

[silent acorn]

this is a perfect blend.

[neat hemlock]

I did really enjoy the seasons being in gen 5

[marsh rivet]

Thats a cool one

[silent acorn]

And why is that a bad thing exactly? I don't say they change how you play, with sawsbuck is just cosmetic. It doesn't take multiple numbers like oricorio does it's mostly alts

[neat hemlock]

The eye liner aint my thing. Does seem like a good mix with the fur tufts and antlers tho

[marsh rivet]

I never said its a bad thing, im just saying fusions wont take in account specific sawsbuck variants

[hard kiln]

Avalugg + mamoswine =

[bitter comet]

I would love to fight this in monster hunters

[neat hemlock]

Monster Hunter is peak pokemon

[silent acorn]

That would be cool yep

[marsh rivet]

Adding avalugg to anything is a recipe for making it bad

[silent acorn]

Actually you can make kirin the most annoying one with sawsbuck

[neat hemlock]

Aye, which is where I chimed in.
You could have someone make 3 more versions of a fusion, if they were so inclined

[hard kiln]

simplified for ease of art.

[hard kiln]

you're in luck xD

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/zebstrika-shock-wave-zebstrika-prepares-shock-wave-pokemon-pokemon-zebstrika-gif-17293062202745806459

[marsh rivet]

Aggron wishi washi

[bitter comet]

I am going to have either a very difficult experience or a big amount of fun

[silent acorn]

just gotta mix Zebstrika/Sawsbuck and you get Zebsbuck

[zealous flint]

Is that a zelda creature

[marsh rivet]

That looks like a horse mixed with a lion

[silent acorn]

Oh that's sweet, shame avalugg is a tank
:/

[bitter comet]

No, that’s a monster hunter creature

[marsh rivet]

With a unicorn horn added for extrs flavor

[zealous flint]

Close enough

[bitter comet]

I choose my favorite lightning leviathan

[silent acorn]

THIS. Sawsbuck/Tyrantrum =Sawstrum

[hard kiln]

monster hunter's Kirin

basically a dragon stallion.

[silent acorn]

Man this is a very awesome monster you need big horns for

[hard kiln]

if rapidash evolved into a dragon, and was also electric type... hmmm... regional electric rapidash with this as it's next evolution? thoughts for later, OH WAIT, ZEBSTRIKA!

[silent acorn]

And before you say Stantler, stop lying to yourself, Stantler is ugly as all hell

[marsh rivet]

I think stantler is cool

[bitter comet]

I don’t like the regular Stantler that much but it’s OK, I like the legends of Arceus evolution, though

[hard kiln]

we need a moose pokemon.

[zealous flint]

Shoulda have turned stantler into a god dragon with enough power to split the earth in half smh

[bitter comet]

Is that sarcasm?

[zealous flint]

yuh

[robust geyser]

A fellow sawbuck enjoyer, almost unbelievable

[silent acorn]

PEAK DEER.

[hard kiln]

we have deer. we need moose!

[marsh rivet]

Xerneas is cooler

[silent acorn]

They eat us out here, but I survive.

[zealous flint]

Reject rainbow deer imbrace bacon bird of death

[marsh rivet]

Yveltal is cooler than xerneas

[silent acorn]

Sawsbuck can be your moose for all your fancy projects

[robust geyser]

first pre-evo is better but second final evo is better

[hard kiln]

but sawsbuck is a deer. D:

[zealous flint]

Ting-lu

[hard kiln]

good point, we have a single 'mythical' moose.

[silent acorn]

Stantler is how you ruin the concept of deer.

Ting lu is Gen 9 impossible

[marsh rivet]

Totally not like how many of these deer mons are really similar

[silent acorn]

Actually ting lu has similar concept to sawsbuck with stuff on the head

[zealous flint]

You only said a moose pokemon, not multiple

[silent acorn]

There is only 3 of them. And Stantler is the weirdest among them.

[marsh rivet]

And theyre all similar to eachother

[glacial vigil]

I think you need glasses

[silent acorn]

I present to you the peak deer (according to purists)

[zealous flint]

Stantlers face looks like a dog that got stung by bees

[glacial vigil]

I always thought Stantler was clooser to a moose than a deer though

[silent acorn]

Yep this is all you have to work with as it will never evolve

[marsh rivet]

They all have the same body and the big changes just involve their antlers

[robust geyser]

it's PLA evo is cool though

[silent acorn]

Yeah but we won't get stuff past 7
I like the evo, but we don't get that. If it was the other way I would support it

[zealous flint]

Which is why basculin shouldnt get into the game

[bitter comet]

He’s looking like he’s about to ask me “do u have games on ur phone?”

[marsh rivet]

Basculin should get into the game

[silent acorn]

Nope. It's base basculin and nothing else. No future. Nothing.

[zealous flint]

No it shouldnt

[marsh rivet]

Base sawsbuck and nothing else. No future. Nothing

[silent acorn]

Its peak deer, needs nothing more.

[robust geyser]

They should add Jack Black into Pokemon Infinite Fusion

[marsh rivet]

It needs to be more than a deer

[zealous flint]

Mammoswine/slaking

[silent acorn]

Gogoat it's just a goat and It deserves to get in, so does Sawsbuck.

[bitter comet]

I have to admit it’s hard for me to think of fusions since it’s just green fish… if you could show me some examples of what you think potential fusion would look like that would be helpful

[silent acorn]

Problem is, with basculegion all the fans for that migrated from basculin

[robust geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-fish-fishing-funny-gif-22552021

[marsh rivet]

Basculin design would look really cool with something like gyarados

[zealous flint]

The only good thing about basculin is basculegion

[marsh rivet]

Admittedly i just want basculin for basculegion

[glacial vigil]

Every time I see this person talk they have some very weird takes

[silent acorn]

Dude basculin is the most basic cheap discarded design they found in their office, just to fill the unova dex

[marsh rivet]

Peak deer is already xerneas

[zealous flint]

Basculegion cant get into the game though, its gen 8

[glacial vigil]

But Xerneas isn't in the game

[marsh rivet]

Should be

[silent acorn]

Xerneas is legend not regular, I prefer sawsbuck for normal game.

[glacial vigil]

We have no peak deer

[zealous flint]

I only voted the gen 6 legend duo for yveltal

[marsh rivet]

I personally just like sawsbuck because of how cartoony and simple its design is

[silent acorn]

Also why do people oppose sawsbuck cuz of xerneas? Haven't they realized their theming is based on the very concept of life?

[marsh rivet]

Wait crap, wrong mon, meant stantler

[high haven]

Same goes for Kingambit, Dudunsparce, Kleavor, ect.

[marsh rivet]

Stantler is a cartoony deer and i think its cool for that

[zealous flint]

I know and all of their pre evolutions are in the game already so that wouldnt matter

[silent acorn]

Too late son

[gusty shuttle]

the heck is your problem man dog ran away?

[marsh rivet]

Also a bit of moose into the mix

[bitter comet]

I like the legends of Arceus bear evolution thing. I can’t remember the name of it though

[marsh rivet]

I guess context aint mean nothing to you

[silent acorn]

Gonna put that on the testimonials

[zealous flint]

Ursaluna

[bitter comet]

Yes that was it

[silent acorn]

When given and offered to the passerby context doesn't matter lol

[zealous flint]

Ursaluna is in the scarlet and violet dlc by the way

[marsh rivet]

It does matter, the passerby just dont care for context though

[silent acorn]

Yeah I heard that blood moon right?

[gusty shuttle]

It's honestly impressive

[zealous flint]

Yuh

[bitter comet]

Oh, it is I barely played scarlet and violet so I wouldn’t really know that

[zealous flint]

It got a new form as well

[marsh rivet]

Im mixed on kleavor being a scyther evo

[bitter comet]

Epic

[white meadow]

Thank you thank you

[silent acorn]

Gonna be brutally honest. I do not appreciate the sinistea variant in scarlet

[glacial vigil]

Back to the void I go

[high haven]

I had a Kleavor on my LA playthrough and they were a big help

[bitter comet]

scyther should have a dragon type evo. Change my mind.

[silent acorn]

To be honest. You definetely could do that

[robust geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[bitter comet]

It’s head gives me Dragon vibes

[silent acorn]

I present thee dragon mantis

[robust geyser]

It's a bug. And if there should be a dragon/bug it should be Flygon

[high haven]

What would this dragon/bug Scyther evolution be named?

[silent acorn]

Why not?

[gusty shuttle]

Is there a pigeon mantis too by any chance?

[bitter comet]

Hmmm I am not good at naming Pokémon so I will let the chat do the deciding

[marsh rivet]

i aint saying it in terms of the pokemon itself

[robust geyser]

Chainsawer

[silent acorn]

Clawitzer shows when searching pigeon mantis

[marsh rivet]

just its design, scizor has a similar design to scyther, kleavor doesnt even have a similar name lol

[white meadow]

Im sure there is a Mantis eating a pidgeon

[high haven]

Butchor

[silent acorn]

I am gonna name the scyther variety.
Gavelun

[gusty shuttle]

A mantis killing a pigeon would be quite surprising ngl

[white meadow]

The kill worse stuff

[gusty shuttle]

Honestly mantises are capable of killing anything
I think I saw a mantis killing 3 men in a bar fight

[marsh rivet]

the mantis killed my entire family

[silent acorn]

You were drunk watching Kung fu panda

Honestly we could use the scorpion mon

[gusty shuttle]

it's possible

[white meadow]

For example
Humming birds
Snakes
Lizards
Small mammals like mice
So I wouldnt wonder if they can kill a Pidgeon

[silent acorn]

They kill each other

[zealous flint]

Survival of the fittest

[white meadow]

Thats a kink of the girls

[gusty shuttle]

You forgot to list my self-esteem

[bitter comet]

Mantises are cool

[silent acorn]

Survival of the thirstiest more like.

[zealous flint]

I really like orchid mantises

[bitter comet]

Agreed. I feel like a Pokémon based off of that, would either be grass/bug or bug/fairy

[white meadow]

You like a Orchid that trys to look like a orchid mantis too?

[zealous flint]

Yes

[white meadow]

Yeah imagine there would be a Pokemon based on a Orchid Mantis
Maybe with a cool twist that it is a flower and not a bug

[zealous flint]

Lurantis?

[bitter comet]

We already have orchid, mantises, and dragon mantises so why not hear me out paper mantises/hj

[white meadow]

Dont tell him

[silent acorn]

I want a turkey pokemon

[zealous flint]

I know its not the actual mantis

[alpine rune]

Boo

[silent acorn]

Boooooo

[white meadow]

Now im hungry

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-scared-hug-gif-24999571

[bitter comet]

It would either have a ghost type part, or a fire type part to it

[silent acorn]

I just know turkeys are cool

[alpine rune]

idk why but i like it when my cat does that

[zealous flint]

Gobbleygourd

[silent acorn]

I honestly think turkeys are cooler than ducks or goose

[alpine rune]

even if it ends up making a ton of scars on my wrists

[zealous flint]

Wait wrong game nevermind

[white meadow]

Yeah but with a bit of heat and seasoning all 3 are great

[alpine rune]

Those scars are love

[silent acorn]

I dont care if eaten or not the turkey would be cool

Mandibuzz shows when you search turkey pokemon but it's a freaking condor

someone made this, it's actually pretty cool

[bitter comet]

I could be biased, but I feel like we need more cat Pokémon that aren’t bipedal

[white meadow]

Btw why is that our Meerkat pokemon? Or I think its a Meerkat looks like it

[silent acorn]

Carunkles

[tranquil dust]

where Lumineon 🙂

[silent acorn]

Its a dumb chipmunk

[white meadow]

Bit of both I think

[silent acorn]

Jaguar has you covered

A jaguar is a pretty brutal beast, could be water type

[bitter comet]

What now? is this another scarlet/violet, Pokémon?

[white meadow]

I want a Clouded Leopard second Favorite animal

[silent acorn]

Jaguar the American continent biggest cat, great swimmers

[bitter comet]

Oh, I thought it was spelled differently making it A Pokémon name

[silent acorn]

If anything I would have a hard time giving it a second type, maybe dark?

Shame they have been all over the place and not used that one. They used lions, cougars, leopards, Tigers.

[white meadow]

Clouded leopards probably end up Dark/Poison or maybe even flying to work with the clouded part

[silent acorn]

Liepard

[white meadow]

There is a Leopard?

[bitter comet]

I have something in mind for a dark/ghost type evolution line that is cats not sure what they would look like other than being cat but I know what they would be called in the dex

The grin kitten Pokémon
The grin cat Pokémon
The grin beast Pokémon

I feel like they would be more or less, based on the Cheshire cat

[white meadow]

Yeah its name sounds like a combi with leopard but it looks more like a Cheetah

[silent acorn]

Can't forget chienpao

[white meadow]

Also Cleoded Leopards are special
They are the closest relatives to Smilodon too

[silent acorn]

Interesting but give me a caracal or jaguar and then we good on cats

I feel like Japan always goes for mesoamerican stuff when they need to spice it up

Another thing I would kill for its a region on india

That one is just dope.
Although India has its own issues

[white meadow]

If you compare clouded Leopards with others than a Caracal is Just another lynx

[stone cliff]

I looked up Chien-Pao and I like everything about it except its teef 💀

[silent acorn]

Caracal is a pretty cool lynx

By the way look the coolest type of cat one can make

[white meadow]

But we have 2 lynx lines already

[bitter comet]

They should add a Japanese bobtail or main coon based Pokémon
Japanese bobtail would probably be part psychic type, while the main coon based one would be either dragon or ice type based

[silent acorn]

Alas look! The jaglion!

[silent acorn]

We already have psychic cats from kalos

[bitter comet]

We do?

[silent acorn]

Meowstic

[bitter comet]

God, there are so many Pokémon I find myself forgetting most of them

[silent acorn]

I know. I want another region already to see more.

[stone cliff]

Pallas cat when

[silent acorn]

I want a bald cat

[bitter comet]

But I still stand by my point of ice or dragon, Maine coon cat

[bitter comet]

YES bALD CAT it will either be a ghost type or a fairy type

[silent acorn]

yo padawan add me to your team

[stone cliff]

Maybe a counterpart to Arcanine

[bitter comet]

That would be cool

[silent acorn]

Honestly to me the coolest cat would be this one.

We already got fuzzy stuff, bring the baldies!

[bitter comet]

Maybe also a mouse Pokémon that is a flying type because mouse>cat>dog

[silent acorn]

Honestly want a parrot pokemon that doesn't suck pokeballs

[stone cliff]

Emolga

[bitter comet]

Hmmm maybe

[silent acorn]

No emolga is a flying type lol

Actually do you know what would be the craziest water pokemon they could make? It's not samurott

[bitter comet]

Ice type that turns into water type when hit by a fire move?

[stone cliff]

With a signature move that does fire recoil

[silent acorn]

low res but this is the giant otter of the amazons

[bitter comet]

For some reason I have a concept fakemon that is some sort of snake thing that looks like a path that evolves into a multi headed snake that also looks like a bunch of paths that lead everywhere, except where you’re supposed to go. The middle ever would be a branching path.

[silent acorn]

Hydra.

[bitter comet]

Yes. It would evolve by going into a certain place with “chaotic energy” that “warps” the mon

It would be a dark type with a different type as an addition for the final evo, I can’t decide which

[silent acorn]

I know it's a cop out but psychic is solid

[bitter comet]

Yeah, probably. I feel like it would either have an ability or special move that either reduces your enemy’s accuracy, makes you harder to hit or causes confusion(the confusion, causing would probably be a special move instead of an ability)

[marsh rivet]

Hydreigon but instead of a dragon its a snake?

[zealous flint]

Hyviprer

[bitter comet]

Yes, and it looks like a series of pathways

[alpine rune]

why are cats so smart but so dumb at the same time

[bitter comet]

Because they are gods

[alpine rune]

or do they just play dumb in the presence of humans

[bitter comet]

Yes, they play dumb in the presence of us they can’t let us know about [redacted]

[alpine rune]

damn

[white meadow]

Dont tell him that they can talk and thats why the aegypt treated them like gods

[alpine rune]

Like they run into things or just do stupid things like stop infront of a moving car but when I look away for5 seconds they manage to go ten feet off the ground, unlocked the cabinet, drag out the cat food, open it and empty it in a single go

[cerulean topaz]

Munna haters i have evidence to defeat you:

[This is a joke]

[marsh rivet]

who hates munna

cute lil mon

[stone cliff]

Munna is aight

[neat hemlock]

Middle form is a quail. We lack a quail pokemon.

[neat hemlock]

How can you hate the nap gas pokemon?

There's nothing to hate... Like.. you either like it or it's just meh

[cerulean topaz]

You missed the conversatiom where people called munna lame lol

[neat hemlock]

It kinda is, but not enough to hate it

[cerulean topaz]

This is why its now my entire personality on this server lmao

[neat hemlock]

It's just... Eh. Like many mons.

[cerulean topaz]

I love munna/musharna theyre so everything

[neat hemlock]

Well it's good ya like it.

[cerulean topaz]

Ive done the spriter blitz things in hope i can get them in there but it seems i am a minority

[neat hemlock]

That's how I feel about Voltorb... Despite him being so plain.
Don't care for electrode tho

Part of me hopes we get my homie 1 and 2 and part of me is mildly worried making good sprites is gonna be rough

[alpine rune]

Guys I got an idea for unown/palossand

[neat hemlock]

Maybe. Could also make it a castle of darkness

[obsidian pagoda]

I support adding Munna 🙏

[steel finch]

have never agreed so hard

silly psychic pokemon are my jam!!!! leave musharna and reuniclus out your mouth!!!! they are whimsical and fun and joyous and happy!!!!!! i do not give two shits about your charizard!!!!! is he cute!!!!! no!!!!!!

[cerulean topaz]

YOURE SO REAL

[steel finch]

when i was younger i loved all the intimidating scary pokemon and now i'm here clutching to reuniclus and savouring every damn fusion like its gordan ramsey's best meal

[cerulean topaz]

I liked and still like all the fairy-like pokemon [lake trio, victini, jirachi, celebi]

[steel finch]

jirachi is so silly. i love her.

[cerulean topaz]

Also crustle/dwebble

[steel finch]

she has a little hat!!!! she does no wrong!!!!

[cerulean topaz]

So many of the gen 5 pokemon are bangers i love them

[steel finch]

if i were a pokemon trainer i would let children play with my pokemon because they are nice and silly and happy and joyous and whimsical and fun!!!!!!

[stone cliff]

If Reuniclus/Sableye isn't Stitch imma riot

[obsidian pagoda]

Mateo is so right

[versed venture]

I HAVE A SUGGESTION

PLS ADD TYRANTRUM

his whole evo line pls

hes a great pokemon (in my opinion) i think fusions with him would be really good

I WILL HELP YOU MAKE HIM IM DOWN BAD FOR HIM PLS

[obsidian pagoda]

Tyrantrum is already getting added

[versed venture]

can i say bad words?

HELL YEAH LETS GOOOOOOO

DO HIS SPRITES LOOK GOOD THOUGH IMA NEED A TIME AND DATE WHEN HE COMES OUT PLS NOTIFI ME WHEN HES OUT

how would i get him added in my game though? like do i have to reinstall

[obsidian pagoda]

There will be an announcement when its added I believe

[dry nest]

No

[versed venture]

whateverrrrrr

[versed venture]

ight bet WWWWWW

[alpine rune]

How is hell a fucking bad word?

[dry nest]

[thorny ferry]

ye they look pretty dope

[cinder oasis]

Stfu

Saying I'm down bad for tyrantrum is weird asf

[stone cliff]

Rule 1 homie

[cinder oasis]

Rule 2

[stone cliff]

"Down bad" isn't necessarily sexual in nature

[cinder oasis]

You know what they meant when they said that

[stone cliff]

Nah sounds like they just really want it to be added

[cinder oasis]

"I'm down bad for tyrantrum"

[stone cliff]

Also just because someone else breaks a rule, doesn't mean you get to break one at them

[cinder oasis]

Rule 1 is Homophobia, Racism and other things, I didnt call them any of those things

[stone cliff]

It is not limited to those things

[dull root]

Rule 1 is "Try to be nice." Don't try to circumvent that by being rules lawyery

[alpine rune]

fuck this

i dont know how to draw sand

[cinder oasis]

Palossand fusion with Weezing?

[alpine rune]

I'm dropping every palossand projects that i have

[stone cliff]

Could make it look like sand is flowing off the low points

[untold spire]

I mean I got muted for saying “what I’m gonna do to Iron Jugulis isn’t family friendly” and I was referring to beating them to death but it got taken as sexual so

I don’t even know anymore at this point

[dull root]

You had to have been aware of what you were saying though right?

Like, how it could be interpreted?

[stone cliff]

I mean, Rule 2 really only exists because there's a ton of kids here, which is a liability nightmare, so I understand them being a bit aggressive with it

[untold spire]

I did and instantly said “Wait I didn’t mean it like that”

[alpine rune]

yea I cant draw rough textures, it just comes off as ... well off

[stone cliff]

I feel ya there. A lot of the advice I give is stuff I can't do myself lmao

[dull root]

Chuck it in spritework! That's what it's for

[stone cliff]

My Amphataria sprite is in purgatory because clouds make me wanna pull my hair out

[alpine rune]

I'm too scared of negative feedback

[dull root]

How else will you improve?

[alpine rune]

sheer will

[dull root]

But also, most people in spritework are nice. And if they aren't you can ping a manager or mod about it

[alpine rune]

rn I dont have the will

[stone cliff]

But that's only 15% of it

And it's 50% pain, that's why I glued thumbtacks to my mouse

[dull root]

That final 35%? Pure, unadulturated, self hate

[stone cliff]

Well, it's
10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain

[dull root]

And 100% reason to remember the name

[stone cliff]

Thank God, I was worried that was too dated a reference for this server lmao

[dull root]

Nah man. There are minors here. But there's also a surprising amount of adults. Especially spriters

[stone cliff]

Yeah, I feel like it's probably 50/50, but I think the adults tend to talk more often

That being said, I've never been part of a community that made me feel so old and I'm not even 30... Yet...

[dull root]

Pokemon'll do that to you lol

[stone cliff]

Yeah, I forget the nature of the game at times lmao

[cinder oasis]

Did you speak with these guys?

I think you might know them

[thorny ferry]

I feel you on an astronomical level

[stone cliff]

Left one reminds me of my second cousin

[cinder oasis]

Damn

[placid oracle]

Fun little anecdote.
There's no substitute for practice.

A professor running an entry level ceramics class at college decided to run a little experiment with his class.
He randomly split the class in half at the start of the unit and explained that those in Group A would be graded on the quantity of their work - to submit 100 finished pots - while those in Group B would be graded on the quality of their work - to submit a single masterwork pot.

What he found was that the pots submitted by Group A tended to be better than those of Group B. While Group B theorized and planned and prepared, Group A just practiced, and as a result got way better at it.

[thorny ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-10358303

[alpine rune]

I know you mean well but chill

I can't explain in words but let's just say I'm too fed up continuing right now

[silent acorn]

Fate fan spotted

[alpine rune]

Too lazy

[alpine rune]

My favorite character is the guy who screams arthur a lot

[silent acorn]

I like Quetzal she has wrestling vibes

[wanton coral]

There's a lot of additions via move tutors and TM's. Like we've got shell smash Togekiss, tail glow ampharos and reshiram, etc etc

Dragon dance Marowak lol

[cinder oasis]

That's from fate? Damn

[feral bear]

Excellent idea for hawlucha/gardevoir 👀

[upper echo]

😭
some movesets are foul tbh like comparing gen 7 to 8 togekiss is crazy legends togekiss best learnset tbh since it isn't all level 1 moves

but most of the added mons are fine

and only lose some stuff
like sharpedo using waterfall instead of liquidation

[hollow sable]

How many more pokemon do we have left to vote in?

[glacial vigil]

Votes are closed but 4 mon have yet to be revealed

[hollow sable]

ty

[stone cliff]

We are also getting 2 extra lines that contest winners will pick

[neat hemlock]

Votes are only closed if you can't time travel

[feral bear]

No, its spriters choice from blitz, contest winners raffle, and trevenant spriter rando pick. So 3 potential lines in total outside of the 4 community picks

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-colosseum-luvdisc-gamecube-charm-gif-14176036

[stone cliff]

The Trevenant winner just gets added to the contest winner raffle.

[feral bear]

Where was this said? I have heard that they are separate but I also have worms in my brain soooo

[silk narwhal]

Wait wtf

I thought they were separate ffs

[stone cliff]

I did as well, but that message was a response to me lol

[silk narwhal]

Idk tho, there's a troll emote right after

Trolley

[stone cliff]

I've seen it said a couple of other times as well

[brisk vessel]

They could just be gaslighting us

[feral bear]

Ahh, worms it is, thank u for correcting me

[silk narwhal]

I have one week left to make the remaining three blitz sprites

I can do it

[feral bear]

I had not seen that, but i havent been keeping up with this channel too well this week

[brisk vessel]

I need to find time to make my Mareanie

[feral bear]

I hate the mareanie line so I made sure to rush thru it as quickly as possible smh

My favorite blitz sprites ended up being my Cacturne and Aurorus, both sableyes of course 💅

[silk narwhal]

Despite hating hawlucha, my fav sprite ended up being hawlucha/mawile

[brisk vessel]

My favorite is my Toxapex

[silk narwhal]

And toxapex/gardevoir in second place

[feral bear]

Show me the toxapexes

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543958354377179176/1158881649891758120/455.342.png?ex=65383a24&is=6525c524&hm=9392ce4374764b75c026038a246d834f62212262592bb783778b4c65c9ea8455&

[feral bear]

Thats actually super lovely, i dont like toxapex but shes pretty cool. The water is really well done as well

[brisk vessel]

👍

[silk narwhal]

Holy fucking shit i can't compete

[brisk vessel]

Yours is cool too tho

[alpine rune]

welp, i guess we now know we didnt win

[alpine rune]

BEHOLD!

A STUFF I MADE

well fuck someone beat me to it

Ima go make another stufful fusion ig

[alpine rune]

Making a new thing to avoid copyright

[elder goblet]

chimchar location ?

[alpine rune]

Viridian River. Please go to #general or #gameplay-help for these kinds of questions :)

[unkempt mural]

When are the new Pokemon being added in ready for my tyrantrum only run

[feral bear]

P sure u can still do the playtest which has everything before trev I believe

[clever atlas]

Daily reminder of the goodest bois!

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

And the best girl!

[prime dust]

Soon™️

we don't have a known set date for the update which will add in all these new mons

the only soft confirmed date we got was "Later this month" but that was after some slight bullying by the discord against Frogman

[white meadow]

Why and when did the discord bully Frogman

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-ultra-beast-sun-gif-7912665

[prime dust]

the why is somewhat obvious, the date of when the new mons would be added, and I think it roughly happened around the same time the Phantump/Trevanant rush event was announced [or that is at least when Frogman gave out the soft confirm]

which he didn't want to give out any kind of date

[glacial vigil]

Likely to not disappoint in case there is a delay

[clever atlas]

Xurkitree is also in my top 50

[white meadow]

I remember Frogman said maybe it will be here in Oktober
But his main plan is this year

[prime dust]

that was the soft confirm

[restive folio]

Are there still pokemon left to be confirmed ?

[prime dust]

yes

4 community voted mons
1 spriter poll voted mon/line
1 spriter raffle mon/line

[tame flax]

I'm betting there's another bonus mon in there

[violet pawn]

I'm not

[tame flax]

Why not?

[violet pawn]

Because we already got a ton

[tame flax]

They never said no more bonus mons in the announcement, and even then

Everytime they said no more bonus mons, we got more bonus mons

[violet pawn]

ok

[tame flax]

Everyone said I was coping when I said there would be more bonus mons, then the blitz happened

[violet pawn]

ok

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure that's why no one officially said there no more at this point because it doesn't mean anything when they said that and then did the blitz

[violet current]

as much as I'd like more bonuses, the options left are honestly not make or breaks for me. i love lilligant and lurantis but ill be a big girl and accept defeat because we've gotten so much already that i love

[tame flax]

As it happens, I don't think there's another bonus mon out of cope, I think there's another for the same reason I knew there'd be more before the blitz was announced

There's still one mon from the data mine that hasn't been revealed

Necrozma

[violet pawn]

very likely a community pick

[surreal chasm]

I have the x12 vote bonus thanks to the blitz but I'm not sure on what pokemon I should spend my power on...

[lofty spindle]

Ribombee!

[violet pawn]

Lurantis plssslllsllslplpslplslplpsss

[lofty spindle]

we already got so many grass-types, and Fairy has such a deficit.

[violet pawn]

tru tru

[violet current]

counterpoint: funny buge

[lofty spindle]

Lurantis is actually not a bug, but Ribombee is.

[surreal chasm]

You're right... We do lack fairy types... Slurpuff it is!

[lofty spindle]

I won't stop you.

[violet current]

dont care one wears pants the other is carried by webs

[violet pawn]

according to me aromatisse is the best fairy type candidate

[violet current]

i love ribombee but lurantis clears any day of the week

[marsh yew]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-every-second-youre-not-running-im-only-getting-closer-pokemon-go-gif-26530166

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-fumo-get-real-fumo-touhou-touhou-fumo-gif-24989413

[white meadow]

Gogoat

[white meadow]

We dont even have that many Grass types

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lofty spindle]

We have less fairy-types than grass-types, even with weighted representation.

[violet current]

if i were rational I'd say lurantis cuz they're my fav, but it would be really funny if you voted smth lame like druddigon or luvdisc

[white meadow]

Druddigon for weird lego dragons

[violet current]

we need some stinker reps

[white meadow]

Im unsure on what I throw my 12x boost
I would love Gogoat in the game
Necrozma and Golisopod cuz of NGS
Torkoal for one of my besties

[surreal chasm]

I have lots of nostalgia for Gogoat due to using it back when I played Pokemon X
...But it's just a goat.

[white meadow]

But it is the only Goat

[tame flax]

We don't have a cakemon

And frog said the games will never go past gen 7, so alcremie can never happen

[white meadow]

Isnt Slurpuff kinds cake like

[iron glen]

when are the new pokemon being added

[tame flax]

That's what I'm saying, we don't have a cakemon

As in not in the game

[prime dust]

sometime between the inevitable heat death of the universe and never

[white meadow]

I would accept Slurpuff for diffrent Cakes and other sweet stuff

Well that didn’t work. I tried to edit it, so it looks like whoever you are was reacting “no” to dedenne

[iron glen]

i refuse to die till i get my baby noivern

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

Do we even have any squirrels in IF yet?

Who needs it

[clever atlas]

There's gonna be so many people tomorrow asking "where reveal" or "they're sure taking their sweet old time"

[white meadow]

besides, what’s one more pikachu clone

[clever atlas]

Useless

[white meadow]

It’s a squirrel.

[dense inlet]

tbh far worse things got in

[clever atlas]

Understand: Pikachu can already reference pikaclones with the power of alt sprites

[white meadow]

For example

[dense inlet]

goodra

[white meadow]

I think a Pikaclone is worse than Goodra

[past lily]

wait how many have be announced so far i lost count and i'm not sure if eveloution lines count as one or multiple

[clever atlas]

35 mons are confirmed so far

[white meadow]

That should be the up to date list with all PIF mons
Everything after stunfisk gets added

[tame flax]

Pikachus a squirrel

[dense inlet]

no it's a rat

[white meadow]

yeah, pachirissu is the elesquirrel pokemon