pif-hoenn-discussion

[opaque flare]

tbf
around 20 pokemon were originally announced
at the moment we are on 40 .....

[stone cliff]

Wait I need to remake that meme with Altaria

[silent acorn]

Are we really on 40?

[opaque flare]

we started with 420
the last one is currently 460
= 40 new dex

[silent acorn]

Hm. Then yeah we have a lot of mons thus far

[sullen elbow]

I don't think burmy would count as three since the forms are litteraly identical. wormadam maybe since they have different stats and all

[prime dust]

there aren't that many left that can do that though

[silent acorn]

Burmy is a unique pokemon that deserves respect despite doing nothing

[opaque flare]

tho, not all free slots have been filled yet, but that will happen if all pokemon were announced

[zealous flint]

I dont think burmy is even getting in so why talk about it

[silent acorn]

Because it deserves honor for having nothing

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/espurr-pokemon-epsurr-walk-gif-27316687

[sullen elbow]

pity*

[zealous flint]

They should add charizard

[silent acorn]

Heh finally got one.

[winged garnet]

Come on... Isopods, please...

[opaque flare]

inkay is better

[zealous flint]

Gigalith>

[silent acorn]

Malamar is so good. I don't even know why it hasn't made it in. It's perfect for eldritch

Like I want an malamar/Infernape so I can use close combat on them haters

[gusty shuttle]

Pidove is perfect for pigeons

[zealous flint]

Naww really

[opaque flare]

you know whats the fun part?
||you dont get malamar|| xD

[silent acorn]

Well shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-gif-18789734

[gusty shuttle]

Do I get Pidove?

[opaque flare]

maybe ... if you hope hard enough .. and wait long enough 😄

[gusty shuttle]

I'm a patient man

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-spheal-charm-heart-gif-14841774

[opaque flare]

at leats one .... in 1000 😄

[gusty shuttle]

You can do it man

[sullen elbow]

bud doesnt know how to spoiler

[silent acorn]

||Pidove is kinda weak||

[gusty shuttle]

Mondorys I believe in you

[zealous flint]

Pigeon

[silent acorn]

Hehehe
||I used one, I wish female was as good as male||

[zealous flint]

Itsctydfirstfrom

[silent acorn]

Man I Love gen 4 so much good stuff so much awesome, ||Tropius dying all the time|| was so good.

[sullen elbow]

"first from" what

[zealous flint]

Onylraelmnwllundrsantd

[gusty shuttle]

From space, he alien

[royal drum]

I'm glad there are more sun/moon pokemon (coming) in this game, since it only had 2 pokemon represented (minikyu and pyukumukku)

[silent acorn]

He types with his butt

[silent acorn]

Pyukumukku... Was kinda bad imo

[sullen elbow]

pyukumuku is the only mon we need

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/espurr-rinya-pokemon-pokemon-xy-gif-25178162

[opaque flare]

ribombee wouldve been better

[silent acorn]

You know what yeah this would have been better honestly

[gusty shuttle]

Guys was there a Nidoran equivalent in V gen
Like a line that was entirely different based on gender

[opaque flare]

at leats would have have less ..... suspicious .... sprites with ribombee ...

[silent acorn]

But you know pyukumukku is good because is not ||Tropius|| bad.

Ribombee is like a tinker bell fairy i would have been down for that

[tidal ridge]

Alola is one of my favorite generations so I'm glad it got more representation this time around

[gusty shuttle]

This man is too powerful now that he learned to use spoiler format

[opaque flare]

plus, people underestimate ribombee

[silent acorn]

Maybe but you know what I think about Pidove for real? I think it's very ||cute|| as hell

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-with-it-sannnnnnnes-gif-7199061

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-cat-scary-cat-demon-scary-cat-gif-26356229

[tidal ridge]

Honestly I'm surprised that we've gotten zero new Sinnoh pokemon this time around (unless you count Froslass)

[zealous flint]

Sinnoh overrate

[silent acorn]

I stan Staraptor so I know the feeling of defending a regional bird

[gusty shuttle]

Just realized that now we can make a pure creepypasta fusion with Sableye and Hypno
Unless there were already other pokémon with dedicated creepypasta that I'm not aware of

[zealous flint]

Swellow is the hoenn regional bird tho

[silent acorn]

Swellow honestly sucks. It ||swallows a lot of the game|| badly

[opaque flare]

then you never used it

[silent acorn]

I count froslass such a good mon.

[zealous flint]

Swellow is a simple design not that much going on for it

[opaque flare]

swellow, guts, flame orb, protect, facade

[silent acorn]

I did and I think ||Altaria is so much|| better

[zealous flint]

I like normal playthroughs not competitive stuff

[cinder oasis]

I think Competitive is really fun

[opaque flare]

this is the normal playthrough ... competitive would add IVs and EVs

[silent acorn]

I honestly didnt do that strat no less because you don't find flame orb that early and Watson kills It easily

[zealous flint]

I mean i go play showdown for a little bit every once in a while

[opaque flare]

yeah true ... alternative will-o-wisp also works

[silent acorn]

Hey news competitive ||makes you go bald||

[gusty shuttle]

True challenge means limiting our gameplay
A challenging gameplay is choosing to not use competitive builds and stuff

[opaque flare]

or poison powder

[cinder oasis]

?

[silent acorn]

Exactly! You are using what you have. Like Pidove is kinda meh because we gotten normal flying so many times but Pidove gets it's job done good enough and can bring you all the way to the league well
No less because for some goddamned reason your other choice of flying happens after it's useful and it's sigyliph. And don't get me started on swanna I hate that ||Donald duck wannabe||

[cinder oasis]

There are only certain pokemon that are just too terrible to use though

[silent acorn]

Swanna is way worse. And sigilyph is better but happens after you beat burg. So Pidove is very useful on black and white 1st
And yes I only played 1st because ain't no way I was gonna spend more money on the same game just a sort of sequel

[cinder oasis]

Sigilyph is actually goated, it's really really good. I used it on my team and it did really well

[zealous flint]

I just use pokemon based on design as long as their not too weak they are fine

[zealous flint]

I like mawile but its stats are trash 😔

[silent acorn]

Honestly could have done the same. As a matter of fact had I known what mienfoo turned into I would have use it.

[cinder oasis]

Me too, I only use good pokemon if it's competitive, but mostly I'll just use whatever I think is cool

[cinder oasis]

It's unfortunate that mienfoo evolves so late like every other gen 5 pokemon. Mienshao is really good

[zealous flint]

Which is also why i used eelektross on my scarlet playthrough

[silent acorn]

Actually you get munna really early on and it's actually really good. I hated the regional crap black and white did. Ugh.

Like you found mandibuzz after the league on post game and same for braviary, like why???

[inland jewel]

only bad because gamefreak REFUSES to give him attacking moves

[silent acorn]

I actually wanted to use braviary but no.

[zealous flint]

Gliscor only being available after the league in gen 4 goes crazy

[cinder oasis]

Even then he would be meh

[cinder oasis]

It's unfortunate cus gliscor is OP

[silent acorn]

Mighyena is only bad because gamefreak made it an early route pokemon meant for single player mostly as a substitute for raticate on the evil teams team

[zealous flint]

Im gonna think and see if i fan remember what my brilliant diamond team was

[inland jewel]

to be fair, its only bad in the main games, in this game it can be good, and mons like STunfisk, Ledian and Pyukumuku are actually good in this game

because we can give them stuff to make them good

[cinder oasis]

Pyukumuku is unironically amazing in this game

[hushed mantle]

Mightyen is just un-grounded krookodile

[inland jewel]

yes, and for everyone that says :No dont add those mons they're bad, this game will make them good, so just add them

[silent acorn]

My team on platinum was infernape, Staraptor, luxray, garchomp, roserade. I think used Giratina because it was my first game. And my first proper playthrough

[inland jewel]

thats the cookiecutter team if i ever saw one

[silent acorn]

I did that first playthroughs and stuff.

[zealous flint]

I will never appreciate bruxish but ok

[silent acorn]

Also I didn't like eevee as much back then

[inland jewel]

thats on you bruh, allow others to like em just fine

[cinder oasis]

Bruxish is Ugly, but is actually pretty decent

[silent acorn]

Oh lucario! My dear lucario how could I forget!

[zealous flint]

Torterra, garchomp, cant remember anything else

[inland jewel]

its like how i hate goodra but its still in the game

[silent acorn]

In some ways my team matched cynthia somewhat.

[cinder oasis]

Honestly I don't really like any eeveelution or eevee imo, they just exist

[silent acorn]

Had I known how awesome Mismagius was I would have use it back then.

[zealous flint]

I dont really care about the eevee line either but leafeon is my favorite out of the 9

[silent acorn]

I actually wanted to use machamp but then I learned it evolve through trading....

[cinder oasis]

I dislike Palossand, Garbodor and Goodra but whatever, at least I got my guy Dhelmise

[silent acorn]

I dont know, I guess I love fighting types maybe.

[zealous flint]

I dont care about hawlucha, and dislike palossand and dhelmise

[inland jewel]

unironically, tehre is someone out there who likes a pokemon, some have Gumshoo as their favorite

[silent acorn]

I need to do another run of black... Hmmmm

[cinder oasis]

I think my favorite type is ghost just because it hits everything for Neutral except dark which is really nice

[silent acorn]

I dont get that one as much. I compare it to the chipmunk.

[zealous flint]

Normal types

[inland jewel]

very bad president if you're in the United States

[cinder oasis]

That's crazy

[hushed mantle]

Crazy? I was crazy once-

[inland jewel]

they locked me in a room

[zealous flint]

Cat

[cinder oasis]

Fr

[silent acorn]

I mean. Like I get. But do people in the US really worship and stuff? Do I go into a real life far cry when i go there?

[cinder oasis]

Biden is worse but anyways

[zealous flint]

Biden is funnier and trump is meh

[silent acorn]

Anyways.

[inland jewel]

both of them are bad,

[zealous flint]

I dont care about the presidents i just think joe biden is more memable and funny

[silent acorn]

Man watchog is so bad. I am looking at it right now.

[inland jewel]

i dont understand this

[cinder oasis]

It's hideous

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/watchog-pokemon-normal-groundhog-meerkat-gif-26483999

[zealous flint]

Watchog is not him

https://tenor.com/view/lechonk-pokemon-dramatic-lighting-sniff-gif-7228970679488345392

[silent acorn]

I mean that I get having a bad president but like man that's a bit weird how they go viral and how much they stick

[cinder oasis]

Pig 🐖

[hushed mantle]

watchog fans when they watch a hog or something idk i didn’t play black and white

[silent acorn]

I really don't like watchog. It's pretty ugly honestly

[zealous flint]

If only lechonk evolved into lestronk instead of cologne that oinks

[cinder oasis]

It's objectively bad 👎

[cinder oasis]

Lechonk is top tier and oinkologne sucks

[zealous flint]

It could have been lestronk or lechonky

Warhog

[silent acorn]

Honestly I think lechonk is awesome I think Oinkcologne is a downgrade

[graceful torrent]

They peaked with raticate and nothings come close sense

[zealous flint]

Thats a fact but alr

[graceful torrent]

If you say furret you will get stabbed

[silent acorn]

Furret

[graceful torrent]

Furret is too friend I want my rodent to be bastard

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-cute-gif-17963577

[silent acorn]

Lol

[zealous flint]

I mean not sure if this counts but galarian zigzagoon is top tier

[silent acorn]

Galarian zigzagoon is what I wish they did with raticate and watchog

[zealous flint]

We could have gotten alolan raticate evolution

[graceful torrent]

I forgot linoone existed but he is more cool than bastard

[silent acorn]

They did the next gen and not the previous one I dont get it

[cinder oasis]

Rampardos could've been like tyrantrum, alas rampardos is unfortunately horrible

[zealous flint]

Instead we stuck with this

[hushed mantle]

Jumpscare

[silent acorn]

Hmmm it is often on the underwhelming side.

[graceful torrent]

Regional variants was an experiment in Alola but then they expanded on the concept after people loved it

[zealous flint]

Only gen 1 pokemon got alolan forms lmao

[silent acorn]

Honestly alolan Persian and alolan raticate were the disappointing version of the experiment

[cinder oasis]

Not even underwhelming, it's just straight up terrible. Both bastiodon and Rampardos are really bad

[silent acorn]

Well before gen 5 regirock and rampardos were the only mono rocks

[hushed mantle]

Sudowoodo:

[cinder oasis]

Ok?

[zealous flint]

Truleewoodo:

[silent acorn]

Also its more a thing of knowing when to send out rampardos, yeah I forgot sudowoodo.

Like rampardos atleast has good offense bastiodon defense is absolutely useless

[cinder oasis]

Well it doesn't matter if it can't use the offense

[finite reef]

Great defensive stats... but rock/steel without recovery

[silent acorn]

Why because it's sorta slow?

[zealous flint]

Double 4x weakness goes crazy

[finite reef]

The Rampardos Theorum

[cinder oasis]

60 defense, 50 sp def and 58 speed

[silent acorn]

Oh it has 58 speed. What the hell

[zealous flint]

It’s unfortunate that every single fossil before gen 8 was part rock type (5 weaknesses)

[cinder oasis]

For real

[silent acorn]

Men... Oh well atleast it's in if and has awesome stats

[cinder oasis]

Basically none of the fossils are really that good except idk like aerodactyl and Tyrantrum

[silent acorn]

Like the offense it's nasty 165?

[finite reef]

Rampardos is great for fusions at least

[silent acorn]

If you gave quickclaw to rampardos and it hits something hardly anything can withstand the attack

[cinder oasis]

Thats just relying entirely upon luck, and if someone uses knock off its all over

[finite reef]

If you're running quick claw, that's no damage boost from choice band. Also, that's just luck

[silent acorn]

With 165 attack I don't think you need much attack boosts lol. Mostly speed boosts. I am talking single player by the way

[finite reef]

Are links allowed in this channel?

[cinder oasis]

That's why the Galarian fossils are awesome

[graceful torrent]

Lore wise alola is close to kanto

[cinder oasis]

Except arctovish, it stinks 👎

[finite reef]

Arctovish is at least useable

[zealous flint]

And johto is close to kanto as well

[cinder oasis]

True, but the others are way way way better

[silent acorn]

Most gen 5 rock types were solid enough I would say

[graceful torrent]

Yes but the climate would be very similar therefore no need for drastic evolutionary changes

[cinder oasis]

Carracosta has a 4x grass weakness which isn't great and archeops has Defeatist

[silent acorn]

I mean its fantasy rather than Giving us alolan raticate or alolan Persian as they were they could have gone original or something they are very lazily made

[zealous flint]

Aerodactyl should have been flying/dragon or just pure dragon, kabutops should have been water/bug, and omastar should have been pure water

[silent acorn]

Yep. But it has solid rock and it's stats arent bad either it has ultra high defense like most rock types and solid halves the effectiveness of effective moves. It's mostly weak to special but that's a lot of rock pokemon. I actually found it easier to take down archeops

Once defeatist activates it's over

[cinder oasis]

A 3x weakness will still kill against 65 sp def

[agile olive]

you know what they say, every mon is somebody's favourite

[silent acorn]

Yeah but you have to get unlucky with grass types

[cinder oasis]

Grass type is fairly common

[silent acorn]

If you send a water type agaisnt a grass type I don't know what you are doing lol

Sure grass moves are lethal too. Energy beam was very commonly distributed back on 5

[cinder oasis]

Me when I switch into a grass type

[silent acorn]

Me sending out unfezant to end you

In single player you know what the enemy is gonna throw at you so it's mostly strategizing around that.

Oh and rock type doesn't resist rock type

[cinder oasis]

True, and Carracosta is better than the some of the other fossils but it's not very good anyways

[silent acorn]

See back in 5 the best strat for archeops was acrobat with no items. But nailing it enough to half cause it to almost become a sitting duck.

[cinder oasis]

It's usable though and can be decent

[silent acorn]

Yeah carracosta is decent and usable. I am not saying it's perfect just that it's not horrible to use.

[cinder oasis]

I have no idea why gamefreak just destroys pokemon because they feel like it and then create pokemon like dracovish for fun

[silent acorn]

Family company they have weird market research

[cinder oasis]

While archeops has defeatist the gen 8 pokemon have the most broken moves of all time and good/amazing typings

[silent acorn]

Something about the galar fossils that doesn't make as much sense it's the fact none of them are rock type when all other gens have been.

[cinder oasis]

British lore:

[silent acorn]

Badly regenerated so they don't have rock type? Weird.

[cinder oasis]

I guess it's just meant to show that cara liss is so close yet so far like how the British were with actual fossils

[drowsy drift]

two type limit

[silent acorn]

In the anime they straight up are almost about to break them

[cinder oasis]

Well, anyways. Having cool and unique typings like dragon/Electric and Ice/Electric is pretty awesome. Especially since Ice/Electric is only for one form of a pokemon

[rancid lily]

:erol hsitirB

[gusty cradle]

how many spots are still open bcs I'm starting to lose hope really quickly

[honest tartan]

not enough for what you want to get in

[gusty cradle]

not even 2?

[honest tartan]

depends on what you want in. State their names.

[gusty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/minccino-pokemon-pokemon-black-and-white-anipoke-smug-gif-20120406

[cedar fjord]

We have a family being revealed tomorrow. This can be anything from 1-5 Pokemon. Then there are still 4 voted slots yet to be revealed. Then there are some raffle and spriters choice stuff

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-haunter-gengar-ghastly-ghost-gif-20456292

[tidal ridge]

I have the feeling they’re going to save a big pokemon for the blitz and community vote

[honest tartan]

Mincinno and Chincinno, either all of the pokemon are gonna be added or they arent getting in

[cedar fjord]

i mean what would be a big Pokemon?

[tidal ridge]

A legendary or something idk

[cedar fjord]

like a single Gen 8 or 9 pick?

[honest tartan]

Eternamax eternatus was pretty big i think

[cedar fjord]

that would be the only surprising thing at this point tbh

[gusty cradle]

or even some ultraentes?

[high haven]

I would absolutely love to see Seviper getting in one way or another

[gusty cradle]

If seviper gets in there's no way the don't add zangoose

[cedar fjord]

I mean we did get Tyrantrum without Aurorus

[tidal ridge]

I feel like Necrozma is a given at this point

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/seismic-toss-ursaring-pokémon-ursaring-professor-oak-ursaring-uses-seismic-toss-gif-25917742

[cedar fjord]

and had Mawhile without Sableye for years

[high haven]

That's why they're a 2-for-1 special

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/toxicroak-tuesday-gif-22972910

[gusty cradle]

didn't know mawile and sableye had a 2-1 thing

[cedar fjord]

I really hope we don't get any more legendaries. The game is already overstuffed with them and they're all OP crap

[drowsy drift]

I agree with this except for the regi trio

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-hoopa-hoopa-and-the-clash-of-ages-shadow-hoopa-pokemon-hoopa-and-the-clash-of-ages-gif-17687077849972779082

[high haven]

That's the one and only exception for me

[honest tartan]

we need hoopa so we can finally be able to use the hyperspace moves ingame

[drowsy drift]

and pokemon unbound references

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-hoopa-rotom-mienfoo-professor-samuel-oak-gif-14622315

[tidal ridge]

Honestly I’m just shocked we haven’t gotten more legendaries from the vote already

[honest tartan]

Professor oak gets folded by every pokemon 10/10

[cedar fjord]

I'm not, if you look at popularity polls outside of like Mewtwo Legendaries don't tend to top the lists

and we have most of the big ticket ones in game already

[drowsy drift]

what if you exclude genwunners from those polls

[cedar fjord]

I'm talking even if you're just doing each gen individually

[drowsy drift]

oh interesting

[cedar fjord]

They caught lightning in a bottle with some of the earlier legendaries but I think once we hit Gen IV+ you start both getting a lot of fatigue and overload with them. There are just so many of them

And none of them get the insane amount of focus and hype Mewtwo or hell even Lugia have gotten over the years so it blends together

[drowsy drift]

I looooove black and white but the number of new legendaries and mythicals they crammed in there is embarassing

[cedar fjord]

Koraidon/Miriadon are the only recent ones that have really broken through and a huge part of that is obvious with how enmeshed they are with ScarVio's story

and they obviously aren't eligible for IF

[drowsy drift]

kind of a shame gen 9 is (reasonably) barred from IF, they had some really good pokemon designs

scovillian fusions would be crazy

[cedar fjord]

yeah just huge amounts of work and tech debt to be able to get Gen 8 or 9 in unfortunately

[drowsy drift]

yes and no, at least for the pokemon that lack signiture moves or post-gen7 abilities... but you'd still have to invent a whole gen7 moveset which just isnt worth the time

[cedar fjord]

I was looking through it and that honestly describes very, very few mons overall

almost every new mon in Gen 8 or 9 had a new ability, signature move or both

[drowsy drift]

yeah it's really just a few

revavroom/cyclizar would go hard though

[woeful root]

Yeah, after diamond and Pearl legendaries got so abundant that they just kind of became forgettable, and while I like a lot of the ones we don't have from, BW, XY, and SM, I can see why there isn't a lot of clamoring for them

It doesn't help that BW had 2 legend trios too

[peak bone]

Maushold/arceus to population bomb you back to the hisui era

[drowsy drift]

three actually

tao, forces of nature, and swords of justice

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/landorus-gif-13744914906800154741

[surreal chasm]

What do I even do in this chat now that Palossand was revealed

[honest tartan]

you can start pallosanding

[woeful root]

yeah, altough after gold and silver there has always been a trio of main legendaires so i didn't really bother to include them

[surreal chasm]

I did
But I don't need #pif-hoenn-discussion for it

[honest tartan]

well now you can pallosand even harder

[surreal chasm]

All I did here was hyperfixating on how great Palossand would be but now that I don't have to sell it to anyone anymore I have nothing left to do here.

[woeful root]

Could just be hyped for when the update comes out with it 🤷‍♂️

[blazing berry]

https://tenor.com/view/ivewon-but-at-what-cost-gif-24803555

[woeful root]

I'm gonna do my second playthrough on classic once the update comes out

[dull adder]

🐒

[iron quartz]

So sandyghast and palossand are the last Blitz bonus pokemon

[fallen loom]

no

[silent acorn]

Tomorrow is the last ones

[iron quartz]

oh

[iron quartz]

i forget timezones

[zealous flint]

Blaquaza said most people would be happy with it meaning its a popular pick

[woeful root]

I wonder what it will be

[fallen loom]

PLEASE a gen 7 bug!

[iron quartz]

golisoppod?

[zealous flint]

Golisopod or vikavolt ill be happy with

[woeful root]

If gen 7 bug I want ribombee, but I kind of doubt it

[silent acorn]

Its been confirmed that tropius ||will not be in the game||

[zealous flint]

Forgot about rimombee

[silent acorn]

Did blaq say that?

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-haircut-epic-gif-23545096

[surreal chasm]

How I forgot the blitz isn't over

[woeful root]

In fairness I got my top pick, so I hope others get thiers

[surreal chasm]

I perceived Palossand as the climax of it all

[silent acorn]

Hm. Something everyone will be happy with? I don't know a mon like that

[surreal chasm]

Because how can you POSSIBLY top that

[silent acorn]

I mean i know they are well liked but not insanely happy for.

[fallen loom]

Unless it's "all gen 7 Pokémon" I doubt everyone will be happy

[zealous flint]

Prolly necrozma, guzzler, lycanrock, or somethin

[alpine rune]

would be funny tho

[silent acorn]

If it was all of them I would be happy...

[woeful root]

I can't see only a single ultra beast, but I could be wrong

[fallen loom]

it better be a Gen 7 bug or Leavanny if it is a bug

[surreal chasm]

Just a reminder that the only gen 7 mons that are currently obtainable in the game are Mimikyu and Pyukumuku.

[silent acorn]

Couldnt be cosmog right?

[alpine rune]

also to the pallossand spriters. Do you guys design pallossand bodies as various buildings?

[fallen loom]

yes, but they added more in announcements

[surreal chasm]

I do!

[woeful root]

Cosmog would give us both solgaleo and lunala, but I feel like it's a huge miss without necrozma too

[alpine rune]

just making sure if its on theme :>

Cuz I wanna make Ninjask/Pallossand

[silent acorn]

I mean i would go nuts if it was cosmog but I don't think that's likely

[surreal chasm]

In relation to all other generations there still aren't many

[woeful root]

Like if they had all three ultra necrozma and dusk wing/ Dusk mane could be fusions

[zealous flint]

If its confirmed to be a gen 7 bug its not gonna be ribombee since blaquaza said he wished it was ribombee ||although he could be tricking us ||

[fallen loom]

what I want:
Any Gen 7 bug (All are cool)
Leavanny (Grass and Bug are lacking %-wise)
Rockruff
Minior (A proper space Pokémon)
Furfrou (Interesting body fusions)
Pancham (We still need an early game Dark Type)

[silent acorn]

I mean ultranecrozma would be a triple fusion to be honest

[woeful root]

Yeah pretty much

[silent acorn]

No lilligant you dead to me.

[surreal chasm]

How does be know though

[surreal chasm]

I bet it's vikavolt

[silent acorn]

I mean... He just says he properly knows ahead and people will like it I don't see him say bug

[woeful root]

I mean, then it would have to be gollisipod, cause I doubt most people would be happy with vikavolt

[zealous flint]

Someone said frogman confirmed it was a gen 7 bug type idk

[silent acorn]

I would be happy with vikabolt.

[fallen loom]

Vikavolt is a flying taser

[surreal chasm]

Vikavolt is very popular what are you talking about

[woeful root]

I mean, I kind of doubt vikavolt is a crowd pleaser like gollisipod

[zealous flint]

Vikavolt is just as good as golisopod

[fallen loom]

what if it's Necrozma all along

[surreal chasm]

Since when was gollisipod more popular than vikavolt?

[woeful root]

Sure I agree, but were talking general popularity, I kind of doubt vikavolt is a very popular pokemon

[silent acorn]

Dude vikabolt is one of the bug mechas, those are extremely popular

Vikabolt belongs on the same category as Orbeetle and Lokix

[surreal chasm]

Don't get me wrong I love Golisipod but I don't see it being talked about as much as vikavolt

[woeful root]

People like lokix?

[zealous flint]

Golisopod and vikavolt both came out in the same gen, and are very close in coolness, i dont see how both of them arent close to equal

[silent acorn]

Lokix is awesome dude what are you talking about

[tidal ridge]

Lurantis is like the only non-Necrozma pokemon I see everyone still clamoring for
Except maybe Meloetta

[woeful root]

Eh, I don't care for it 🤷‍♂️

[silent acorn]

Ledian is a less cool Sentai monster. Which is dudes in cool suits

[zealous flint]

Guzzles and lycanrock

[surreal chasm]

Its really cool, being the first bug/dark and all, but I wish it was stronger

[silent acorn]

Lilligant is ever present you know

[fallen loom]

Ledian + Lokix would be a cool fusion

[surreal chasm]

It's really odd how it took gamefreak 9 generations to make a bug/dark type

[silent acorn]

That's just the downfall in general of bug types. It does good with what it has. It's not as bad as The spider is.

[fallen loom]

how good is Rabsca?

[zealous flint]

Spidops is not him

[woeful root]

I just don't like most of SVs Pokemon, it's the first time where I found myself actually not liking most of the new pokemon

[surreal chasm]

Some bugs are pretty darn evil 💀

[silent acorn]

Its a cool sort of beetle. I still like orbeetle more.

Orbeetle is a 3 stage bug done right.

[fallen loom]

yeah I wish Orbeetle wasn't cut from SV

[silent acorn]

Like I swear that's what one thing gamefreak is weaker at than digimon, In digimon all bugs are cool badass creatures

[fallen loom]

the issue with SV is it aged badly due to the linear, short routes and small wild areas

[silent acorn]

Its gonna age very badly

[tidal ridge]

Same here tbh

[fallen loom]

yet poor Orbeetle is stuck there

[tidal ridge]

Scarlet/Violet was the first generation that I straight up just did not like most of the new pokemon
Even Gen 8, as much as I didn’t like that gen had some really cool pokemon in it

[silent acorn]

Like sure it's cool and all the areas and places but like... Gamefreak works for the same company as The legend of Zelda makers. Legends arceus is the best I seen a pokemon do exploration

[woeful root]

Like, for as much as I despise SwSh, it has some Pokemon I adore, hell hatterene is in my top 5

[silent acorn]

I like hatterene its a more punchy gardevoir

Its also an evil Cinderella witch like hello that's concept is amazing!

[fallen loom]

I thought it was a May poll

[silent acorn]

Honestly galar has a lot of waste on the modern stuff and the ancient stuff is where it shines a lot.

[woeful root]

I love how it throws you for a loop by being a tiny floating gremlin

[oak plover]

Clobbopus <3

[fallen loom]

the best Galar mon aren't in SV though, like the fossils and Orbeetle

[tidal ridge]

I also have to give credit to SwSh for bringing back evolutions for previous pokemon, I feature I really liked about the first few gens

[oak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-it-clobbopus-clobbopus-fuck-fuck-it-it-gif-15763177

Brain does not understand math

[woeful root]

Personally I hated the fossils, but I think that's just because I will never get over not having an electric Pikachu raptor

[silent acorn]

I think I just hate the fossils cuz they pick a concept I hate but meh it's accurate to British lore

[fallen loom]

I like the fossils because it's like infinite fusion but canon

[silent acorn]

Starters being based on pop culture of Britain is not quite... To my taste

Like I get James bond spy or whatever but like the other two still feel a bit weak to me.

[fallen loom]

me either, especially since Sobble ends up super skinny for no reason

[silent acorn]

I think Sherlock intelleon has a better feel than skinny ass intelleon

[fallen loom]

Cinderace looks more like a middle evo too

[woeful root]

SwShs starter's were alright, but I'm not much of a starter person, I didn't even have a starter in my top ten till gen 7

[silent acorn]

Cinderace feels to me... I mean i love the anime one. But like... Its design feels so much weaker.

[fallen loom]

Yeah, they made it a mix of a Sonic character (huge hands) and Bayonetta

Cinderace's GMax form feels more like a final evo TBH (minus the fireball)

[silent acorn]

See the thing I don't like its the whole idea Britain invented a sport about kicking when most likely it was a common thing across the whole world so I don't appreciate it as much

[celest bobcat]

No way
Those ears would make it hard to live as a Cinderace LOL

[fallen loom]

better than looking like a middle evolution

[silent acorn]

See what I actually would love to see it's a mesoamerican mon based around the ancient ball game which was really brutal

[fallen loom]

Voltorb?

[silent acorn]

Or a conch shell punching mon base on the other sport.

[fallen loom]

a mon that punches conch shells or a conch shell that punches?

[tidal ridge]

I don’t know how to explain it but Gen 8 feels a lot more… gimmicky in terms of pokemon than any other gen
Like except maybe some pokemon in Gen 6 and 7, the location never really felt like it was holding back the theming of some pokemon
Meanwhile so many pokemon in gen 8 just feel like “Hey, this takes place in Britain. Let’s make all our Pokemon based off of british stereotypes”

[silent acorn]

something more based on this.

this is conch boxing check it out.

[woeful root]

Yeah agreed, although for me it's also just a bad game

[fallen loom]

yeah it was super lame. Ir goes from a kid and their Pokémon to a kid and their parent or something looking for a job

[silent acorn]

I enjoy pokemon based on old stuff they feel less forced

[celest bobcat]

Anyone here realized Gen 8 starters all have a circle for a head?

[silent acorn]

Speedy design maybe?

[tidal ridge]

Like ffs they made their starter final evolutions a football player and a james bond reference. Like we get it, it’s British

[celest bobcat]

I think it's because they were based on the Power Puff Girls
LOL
kidding

[silent acorn]

Yeah soccer is the British thing the world hurhurhur

[fallen loom]

"Now my Cinderace plays professional football"

[celest bobcat]

Should have turned Grookey into Kiss then HAHA

Nonono
The beatles

[hushed mantle]

damn it’s just me and galar vs the fcking world 😔

[silent acorn]

The concept of kicking something to set it ablaze is cool but like... Why force the whole "soccer is British" bit? It ruins the design on the long run

[fallen loom]

G Zigzagoon

[silent acorn]

Galarian zigzagoon is hella awesome cuz it's so extreme as well toxtricity

Like the rock mons are one hell of a highlight of the game

[hushed mantle]

I actually like a lot of gen 8 pokemon, including 2/3 of the starters

[fallen loom]

plus some of the non-overly British Galar mon like Orbeetle and the sheep are stuck there

[silent acorn]

Stonejourner sucks really taking literal literal

[tidal ridge]

I like a good chunk of the pokemon, but good lord they really went too far with the Britain theme lol

[tidal ridge]

And the literal teacup pokemon

[silent acorn]

Do I need to mention ice cube head penguin?

[fallen loom]

honestly, Gen 8 starters peaked at middle evos since they didn't have their jobs yet (not you Raboot) and still looked enough like animals

[hushed mantle]

DON’T PUT EISCUE IN THIS

[silent acorn]

Eiscue is silly in the most British way possible and that's not a good thing

[tidal ridge]

Honestly the first time in a LONG time, maybe ever where I preferred the second stage starters over the final evolutions

[hushed mantle]

He’s just a goofy guy

[silent acorn]

He is way too goofy

[finite reef]

Raboot is cool

[fallen loom]

Raboot is still better than Cinderace

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/eiscue-pokemon-look-modcheck-gif-22512294

[silent acorn]

Anyway... Yeah climate change blah blah how neat.

Cursola and galarian weezing are about the only two good results of the whole climate change bit

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/eiscue-pokemon-eiscue-review-gif-25969687

[fallen loom]

ever noticed that its head looks like Swablu's body (without the fluff)?

[alpine rune]

Blasphemy

[silent acorn]

I remember how the eiscue had a whole episode about it being a doofus that somehow ended in galar

[finite thistle]

Gen 8's Dragon and Ice types are easily some of the gen's best

[silent acorn]

Galarian darmanitan, galarian mr mime and frosmoth do be cool
Also added more than paldea did.

[finite thistle]

Eiscue is cool too boys

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/eiscue-eiscue-review-pokemon-gif-25969689

[silent acorn]

I wouldn't mind eiscue if it wasn't one of those pokemon that's basically a real penguin with a weird head

[fallen loom]

yeah

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/eiscue-eiscue-review-pokemon-gif-25969691

[silent acorn]

Like I dislike eiscue for much the same reason I dislike stonejourner

Bland, basic mons that seemed to have just been added to fill the roster

[tidal ridge]

Gotta say though, some of the galar pokemon I REALLY like

[fallen loom]

if Gen 8 mon come, I'd rather Orbeetle, Wooloo and the Squirrel TBH over penguin

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/eiscue-me-looking-for-who-tf-asked-pokemon-eiscue-penguin-penguin-gif-24031687

[grand hull]

praying for diancie so hard rn

[honest tartan]

pray harder

[silent acorn]

Ah yes all of these are awesome which is why I said the ancient Inspired pokemon are the best part.

[grand hull]

OK

[hushed mantle]

I’m praying with you

[grand hull]

YES DIANCIE WILL RISE

[silent acorn]

I actually appreciate clobbopus for the whole punching and grappling thing, it's a pretty good octopus

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/stray-in-chat-petting-spheal-stray-gif-23368090

[silent acorn]

I dont know what to think about indeede

[left tartan]

Medicham when

[tidal ridge]

Ikr, basing Perrserker and Runerigus off of viking folklore were AWESOME ideas, and I wish we got more of that

[silent acorn]

Like I love butlers but indeede isn't quite what I had picture of a pokemon based on one

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/gardevoir-professor-oak-pokemon-ralts-kirlia-gif-25284716

[silent acorn]

Viking arbok based on jormungadr would have been cool
Sandaconda is cool, but feels more like something out of a USA region

[alpine rune]

YO HE DEAD

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/poke-spiritomb-gif-19653830

[unkempt stone]

I've had a vision

[silent acorn]

Of ||Luvdisc||

[unkempt stone]

No

[honest tartan]

yes

[silent acorn]

Ok share your vision what is it?

[unkempt stone]

Palossand related

[silent acorn]

Ok...

Guess they lost their vision huh

[unkempt stone]

Uh

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wigglytuff-pokemon-wigglytuff-angry-professor-oak-gif-15361438313786522663

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-disagree-pokemon-meowstic-meowmeow-gif-7370942988682373426

[unkempt stone]

So, Porygon/Palossand

[silent acorn]

Hmmm if I had lilligant in game what do I make with it... Lilligant/exeggutor as a girl with three faces... Maybe horrible junji ito?

That's a good idea.

You would need I wanna say maybe golem?

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pocket-monster-2022-infernape-goukazaru-gif-26686861

[silent acorn]

Oh wait! I just remembered bouldergeist is possible now

[alpine rune]

wow krookodile is small

[honest tartan]

Charizard is 5'7"

[alpine rune]

yea exactly

I'm still taller than charizard goddamn

[honest tartan]

krookodile is 4'11" lol

so is noivern too lol

[stone cliff]

Meanwhile, Wailord is almost 48 feet tall

[toxic oracle]

how am i taller than charizard, machamp, and krookodile

does the anime just make them look bigger?

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dusclops-your-soul-is-mine-gif-8617517428467791810

[toxic oracle]

not again

[fallen loom]

Krookodile is 4'11"

[stone cliff]

Yeah, size isn't really listened to in the anime

[toxic oracle]

at least i brought spares

[honest tartan]

the anime has size variance before the games did

[fallen loom]

yeah

[toxic oracle]

big buisel little buisel flashbacks

[stone cliff]

Sunkern is supposed to be an inch tall

[fallen loom]

if there were any Gen 8 or 9 mon allowed in IF, what would you add?

[stone cliff]

Corviknight

[toxic oracle]

tinkaton, hatterene, corviknight, the starters, snom

[fallen loom]

a foot tall

[stone cliff]

Ah, I misread that 20 or so years ago and never fact checked lmao

[tidal ridge]

Tinkaton would be like the first and only gen 9 added lol

[stone cliff]

I may be boomering out, but there's very few mons after gen 6 that I would say I like

[tidal ridge]

Gen 7 was the last gen that I can say I truly love in terms of its roster of pokemon

So many good ones

[stone cliff]

I did like the starters from gen 7 (except you, Incineroar. Tony the tiger lookin ass)

Looking at it again, I do like quite a few gen 7 mons, I think it was just the game itself I didn't enjoy all that much.

[fallen torrent]

Just to make sure this is the channel to recomend new pokemon

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-pokemon-sun-moon-3ds-gif-21087798

[stone cliff]

Kind of, we mostly just shitpost about the mons that are being added

[zealous flint]

Its to talk about the new pokemon thats why its called a discussion

[fallen torrent]

Ok cause i would love to see more legendaries and more than anything Phantump, Greninja, and Ceruledge

[stone cliff]

In case you're not up to date, there was a vote to add 20 new mons, plus there have been additions from staff picks and contests

[fallen loom]

Phantump is in

[fallen torrent]

Its in the game rn

[stone cliff]

No gen 8 or 9 mons will be added

[zealous flint]

Starters were disconfirmed, phantump is in, pokemon gen 8-9 cant be added

[fallen loom]

that's why I said what if Gen 8 and 9 mon could be added

[stone cliff]

It will be added next update

[zealous flint]

Starters arent being added for now at least, sometime in the future they probably will be

[stone cliff]

To see what is making it in so far, you can check the list in the pins.

[fallen torrent]

How come Gen 8 and 9 cant be added

[fallen loom]

just skip to Gen 6 starters, because we don't need Gen 5 ones

[zealous flint]

Games engine doesnt support them

[stone cliff]

Technical limitations basically

[fallen torrent]

Would there be a day where they could be added?

[stone cliff]

Possibly, when that day might be is completely unknowable

[vapid yew]

I would love Rowlett to be added, ngl

[zealous flint]

Its possible, but the creator would have to manually code them in, which just isnt worth the effort

[fallen loom]

In version 6.0.0

[stone cliff]

I think we're likely to see an Infinite Fusion 2 using a less restrictive engine before that happens though

[vague fog]

i know if we had gen 8 and 9 mons, tinkaton/cinderace would be a fusion i would make

[zealous flint]

Infinite fusion 2 would prolly take place in hoenn or somethin

[stone cliff]

7.8/10

[zealous flint]

Which would mean guaranteed tropius

[fallen loom]

I'd rather it be called InfiniTWOsion

[stone cliff]

Even Less Finite Fusion

[zealous flint]

Infinite fusion dlc

[vague fog]

maybe infinite fusion 2 would have hoenn and sinnoh, along with kanto and johto, completing the continent

[fallen loom]

I think it should take place in Galar or Kalos TBH, since we have most Hoenn mon already

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/we-bare-bears-cartoon-network-gif-23377140

[fallen loom]

yeah we need Beartic and Pangoro

[stone cliff]

Damn, there's almost enough bears to make a full party

If you throw Komala in as a joke lol

[honest tartan]

how many FULLY EVOLVED bears do we have in IF now

[fallen loom]

Komala is no bear

[stone cliff]

In IF there's only 2

[honest tartan]

komala is a bear? are you ok?

[stone cliff]

First of all, have y'all never heard the term Koala bear? And second, I said as a joke

[fallen loom]

man Ursaring, Pangoro and Beartic would make a great triple fusion

[finite thistle]

Bear totem stack is adorable

[fallen loom]

Koala is a marsupial

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-joke-dodge-charizard-pokemon-gif-16266060

[fallen loom]

Charizard has 4 teeth

[stone cliff]

I know... People call them koala bears incorrectly pretty frequently. Which is why I said to add it as a joke

[umbral river]

Pokebare Bears

[fallen loom]

Trapinch jaws

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/komala-pokemon-normal-asleep-log-gif-26477481

[stone cliff]

What other recognizable bears are left to make mons of? Black bears and sun bears?

I could see a more friendly version of Ursaring as a black bear

[fallen loom]

there are like 7 or 9 species of bear

[stone cliff]

Yeah, but some of them are very similar

Sun bear could be a fire type

[fallen loom]

Main ones:

Brown
Sun
Spectacled
Black
Panda
Polar
Sloth bear

[coarse karma]

I can still dream.

[stone cliff]

Oh wait, if we allowed gen 8/9 we could get Ursaluna and Urshifu

[fallen loom]

not now

[stone cliff]

if we allowed gen 8/9

Spheal is still a possibility

More ice types is always good lol

[honest tartan]

we need some ice, fighting, and dark type pokmeon
if only there was an ice/fighting and fighting/dark pokemon

[coarse karma]

only reason no gen 8 or 9 rn is cause of engine limitations.
they're working in RPGMakerXP which came out in 2005 so it's rly old.
That being said Hypnotoad and the rest of the Devs are doing their best. :)

[stone cliff]

Oh I'm well aware, I was more talking about my hypothetical full bear team than anything else lol

[fallen loom]

we also need more good Bug Types

[fallen loom]

except you can get Gen 8 stuff, just their version of essentials is old

[coarse karma]

reminds me i need to go install v21

[craggy lynx]

Man
if ONLY there was a dark/fighting type..... or Ice/Fighting.....

Scrafty? Pangoro? Crabominable? What do you mean? Clearly they don't exist, i have no idea what you're talking about

[stone cliff]

I had looked at a list of bear pokemon and some goober put Snorlax on it

[coarse karma]

yeah obv Snorlax is a cat.

[fallen loom]

Snorlax is more of a cat than a bear

[craggy lynx]

If it were a bear, it would be a obese one

[stone cliff]

Snorlax was based on a gamefreak employee lol

[craggy lynx]

hell naw, i ended up calling one of the employees obese without even realizing it

[stone cliff]

He was apparently a very large guy that would eat anything lmao

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/munchlax-pokemon-food-mine-akin-gif-18413059

[fallen loom]

Munchlax has intimidate?!

[stone cliff]

Munchlax used Food Aggression
Trainer used Muzzle

[coarse karma]

or it's leer, doesn't snorlax shoot beams form it's eyes? /s

[ebon glacier]

:o I can make munchlax/delibird with this pose 👀

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/snorlax-gif-13250203

[raw bison]

I mean have you not heard of Fat Bear Week?

[craggy lynx]

That's a thing?

[coarse karma]

Ooo! :D

[fallen loom]

Snorlax is a fat guy + a cat + Totoro

[raw bison]

Yeah, one of the national park organizations holds a contest in autumn as the bears get ready to hibernate cause they get SUPER CHONKY lemme find a link

[coarse karma]

https://tenor.com/view/snorlax-sleep-pokemon-gif-10677184

[coarse karma]

you should haha

[raw bison]

Oh my God fat bear week voting started yesterday the timing is perfect
https://www.nps.gov/katm/learn/fat-bear-week-2023.htm

[thin yarrow]

litten when?

[stone cliff]

👀
👄

[coarse karma]

right?

[stone cliff]

Wow that looks much less aggressive than expected

[outer matrix]

But for real, that grip was aggressive

[stone cliff]

In terms of the vote at least, no starters for now

[coarse karma]

those veins tho XD

[stone cliff]

I need to get on making the sprites I wanna make

That being said, I lack the motivation

Mostly because my favorite new mon is a nightmare to sprite for

[coarse karma]

I need to add to the collection.

[thin yarrow]

fair but i would also like to see fomantis

[fallen loom]

this is a two-time winner

[stone cliff]

Clearly just a man in a suit

[crystal cosmos]

Bro to me it seems more like a bear in a bear costume

[raw bison]

I always figured Snorlax was a reference to hibernating bears getting MEGA CHONK even if he does have cat ears

[stone cliff]

It's a bear in a man suit wearing a bear suit

[obsidian terrace]

he is

[raw bison]

Lives in the mountains, very dangerous/strong, eats a ton and then sleeps a ton, that's a bear

[fallen loom]

two men in a bear suit

[coarse karma]

so true

[stone cliff]

Article on Snorlax origin: https://screenrant.com/pokemon-snorlax-inspiration/#:~:text=Pokémon art director Ken Sugimori,%2C Snorlax%2C is Koji Nishino.

[raw bison]

I'm glad the article shows that he was in on the joke and appreciates the reference by referring to snorlax as like a child to him

[stone cliff]

Yee, seems like a cool dude lol

[raw bison]

Imagining Ken holding up a sketch and basically saying "this is you" and his eyes getting all big and teary as he says "I love him"

[stone cliff]

"Don't talk to me or my son ever again"

[cloud gorge]

aww, you stole my idea

[steep glen]

If we get any gen 8 it will be Snom

[opaque flare]

good thing we never get gen8

[normal summit]

ok snom sounds cute af tho

but still, #golisopod4raffle

[proud lion]

The ghost of Gen 8

[normal summit]

i literally couldn't understand why sandygast but that makes sense

[drowsy drift]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheYisusOne/status/1708482129775006121

[steep glen]

I want snom cause of the moth and its ice type

[thin yarrow]

I rly do want to see tinkaton Ngl

[alpine rune]

If a steel type has steelworker

does that make it double STAB?

[crystal cosmos]

Steelworker is a separate boost from STAB so a steel type with Steelworker would get a 1.5x boost from STAB plus another 1.5x boost from Steelworker making it a 2.25x boost in total

[compact orbit]

Nice use of Conquest artwork. I love that game so dearly.

[graceful torrent]

Doubles strategy
Steel type with adaptability and ally with steelworker

Wait I’m thinking of perrzerker’s ability shit

[obtuse silo]

Not many mons actually make dhelmise steel fusion..since dhelmise gives ghost and most steel types have something else as secondary

[dull root]

Why would you want a steel Dhelmise though? Steelworker gives you steel STAB for free

[graceful torrent]

Yeah but more steel stab

Adaptability but better

[graceful torrent]

I believe steelworker is dhelmise’s only ability so you can get it with head or body fusion

[faint crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/dhelmise-anchor-shot-anchor-chain-chained-gif-8598101474850782476

going to go crazy for fusions

[obtuse silo]

Because you still get the stab boost on top of that

[dull root]

Huh, didn't know that

[alpine rune]

Thats why im asking, i didnt know that Steel worker stacks with stab

[obtuse silo]

Stab is always there no matter the ability

Granted it changes with something like type changing abilities

Or a move like burn up which makes you lose fire stab but thats again type changing of the mon

[drowsy drift]

imagine a Protean Burn Up set

[dull root]

I guess I just figured they just had it give you a steel typing but only offensively. Which would give you STAB but I guess a flat DMG boost makes more sense

[drowsy drift]

steelworker curse steelix will have the ultimate gyro ball. honestly excited

[obtuse silo]

I always forget that there is also the dhelmise body fusions tbh

[coarse karma]

Thank you :)

[white meadow]

Litten Evo line

[coarse karma]

and agreed it's such a good game. I sort of regret giving my copy to my nephew 4 years ago cause he ended up getting a switch during lock down and hasn't touched the 3/DS since rip.

[compact orbit]

Ooof

Conquest is literally my favorite game of all time. I wouldn’t give my copy for the world

[atomic lagoon]

i was not expecting to like so many bewear head fusions

[coarse karma]

I played the heck out of it and wanted to share. Gave him PMD Gates to Infinity too since he was having fun taking pictures around the house the week I visited < I still have super PMD so no real loss on that one.

[atomic lagoon]

the colors.. 😵‍💫

[coarse karma]

btw love the guren lagann pfp

[odd storm]

Now I really want to see Delmise and Palosand fusion. Also Haxorus and Noivern

[neat hemlock]

New triple fusion.
Wormple, Caterpie, and Weedle.

Weempie

[odd storm]

That is scarily close to another pie word

[neat hemlock]

Fear weempie! Keeper of tackle, string shot, and poison sting

[odd storm]

Bro is gonna evolve in Butterdoxdrill

[neat hemlock]

Middle form gonna slap.
Metakunacoon

[odd storm]

Ong. Harden, harden, and finally….

HARDEN

[neat hemlock]

Put in a move specifically for the triple fusion.
True Harden
It's just harden, but with a cooler move animation

[odd storm]

It’s harden but every move does one damage and the middle form cant evolve. Also any status or attack moves are deleted from the move set.

Truly the mon of all time

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/terriermon-digimon-anime-cute-adorable-gif-18617063

[neat hemlock]

Beedrill Butterfree and beautifly or duskox
Buskoxfree
Beautifreedrill

[hushed mantle]

Beautoxtterdrill

[neat hemlock]

Buttoxdrill
Beautibeefree

[neat hemlock]

The first 4 way fusion

The first five way fusion... 5 different dragons make the 5 headed dragon from yugioh.

[brisk vessel]

Rayquaza
Giratina
Kyurem
Zygarde
Necrozma

Gotta make sure things stay on topic 😁

[clever atlas]

Necrozma isn't a Dragon, not outside of its ultra form anyway

Haxorus could fit i think
Or noivern

[brisk vessel]

Then the sprite shall simply include the ultra form

[feral bear]

Cant wait for the Cherubimon reveal in 12 hrs

[alpine rune]

ifregitrio is in the game

[neat hemlock]

Who's iffegitrio

Also, Pidgey + Spearow = birduo

[alpine rune]

If Regitrio*

[stone cliff]

I want the Regis to get in so they can fuse with regigigas to form regiregiregiregi

[clever atlas]

Yall ready for lycanroc today?

[alpine rune]

mmmmm 4x weakness

[clever atlas]

Alternatively,

[stone cliff]

Lots of fusions have 4x weaknesses

[alpine rune]

Sorry, did I say 4x?

I meant 16x weakness to fighting Quad fusion

[stone cliff]

That makes it funny tbh

Ability: Slower Start

[brisk vessel]

Its just slow start but you literally have 0 speed for 5 turns

[stone cliff]

Its cry is just all of them playing over each other

[alpine rune]

What's the signature move?

[stone cliff]

It's just harden but in braille

[alpine rune]

mm yes, to give protection against fighting moves

[neat hemlock]

Trio wouldn't be 4 way tho... unless regi pentology

[alpine rune]

Regigigas/Steel/Ice/Rock

I mean I didnt count the eleki and Drago

[neat hemlock]

You can't have gigigias and the other 3...

But yeah. I feel ya

[alpine rune]

I feel like you're the one who's disconnected with everyone here

[neat hemlock]

Wut

You said 4 way and listed a 3 way to get gigas...

Not sure how you're gonna get 2 copies of all of them to make the suggested 4 way

[alpine rune]

If only regitrio is in the game, we could get a quadfusion of the regis

Because regigigas is already in the game

We were talking about fusion possibilities, not about how to obtain them in game

[alpine rune]

how many bonus blitz we have left?

1?

[covert tiger]

Where is this?

[alpine rune]

for fucks sake why did this made me laugh

It's a laugh of shame too

[drowsy drift]

good

[iron quartz]

ye

[alpine rune]

Its aurorus

:)

[iron quartz]

what

[brisk vessel]

I thought it was loss for a moment

[iron quartz]

what does it mean

[drowsy drift]

maybe it is.

[brisk vessel]

[iron quartz]

OH MY GOS

IT IS LOSS

[drowsy drift]

i could have cropped it better

[iron quartz]

ITS LOSS

[brisk vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772130821347213322/1159591043587641425/jokeworld.ai49cbc0.mov?ex=65319450&is=651f1f50&hm=87289995c539348818d2cb4bbe9ee76ac48e128f959d26c1fe45f1fa97be72fb&

[alpine rune]

Thats why i laughed in shame

[hexed agate]

Wurmple tomorrow is going to be awesome

[livid geyser]

they're gonna reveal burmy with all three of its forms and the collective playerbase is gonna men cutting blue cheese

[stone cliff]

Jesus Christ

[zinc terrace]

Palossand is such a good addition, Ground + Water Compaction on any fusion is incredible

[steady mountain]

Wait how many are left

I’m not counting, counting is for nerds

[earnest scroll]

I think it’s a total of three more lines and 4 voted slots

[alpine rune]

There's 10 left

[white meadow]

4 Vote slots
6 lines
If I remember right

[daring burrow]

How many pokemon slot left that is available

[alpine rune]

21

[white meadow]

22 more Pokemon is the highest we could get from slots we know

[dense abyss]

Sounds like just enough room for all the flavors of Alcremie.

[daring burrow]

Neat

[jolly elbow]

Will the remaining starters be left out or will they add them in?

[daring burrow]

Hopefully castform making return

[clever atlas]

Nah
We'd need 41 extra

[jolly elbow]

and the evolution would be complicated too

[clever atlas]

Different forms don't count anyways

[jolly elbow]

For Alcremie, you would need to give Milcerie a berry and do the joystick tango

easy to see why it would be a miss

[alpine rune]

mmmm the 4 million forms of spinda

[clever atlas]

Billion*

[rugged wedge]

^^

[azure beacon]

You know whats funny? If Oricorio got separate dex entries for its forms, then shouldnt spinda also get a form for each of them?

[sullen elbow]

Oricorio form are actually diferent from each other

[olive dagger]

tfw every line revealed since i posted this has been on here... yagurl is eating good :3

[south basin]

To be fair, could just do the "main" form and change the evolution method. The form change is only cosmetic last I checked and infinite fusion already changes quite a few pokemons evolution methods so wouldn't be out of place

[olive dagger]

For where the change is purely cosmetic and can be done entirely by player choice, I think Infinite Fusion already has a perfectly servicable mechanic

[south basin]

Indeed

[terse fable]

This has mons I like, so I approve

[olive dagger]

Alcremie can't be in due to the software's limitations, but if they add Furfrou for example... truly just put every sprite in the pokedex and let it ride, then let spriters choose which variations to use when spriting the fusions, some are pretty obvious (like using Pharoah Trim when fused with Cofragrigus or Star Trim when fused with Staryu, for example) but there's creative liberties to be taken

Honestly that freedom is a solid reason for something like Furfrou to be added, I could see it being a contender for spriters' pick if it wasn't such a bland Pokemon in every other way lmao

But I think if Meloetta gets added her forms SHOULD be separate like Oricorio's. 👀

[south basin]

Alt textures don't matter since yeah it's a few extra alt images, but making fusions specifically for those alts is a no go meaning in most cases alcremie won't have more images then the other pokemon being added.

Shoot, stuff like oricoro would have way more textures since the forms are seperate dex entries and it got in lol

On the meloetta front I do want it, but last I heard form changes in battle are a no go because of software limitations

[olive dagger]

Yeah I mean you wouldn't really be able to make your Alcremie fusion's palette match your preferred Alcremie base form, it'd be based on spriters' whims. Recolors are thankfully pretty easy to do and it's not hard to add your own sprites to the game

I think having to make it an Outside-of-battle transformation like Oricorio's is a fine sacrifice for having Aria and Pirouette forms with their own fusions, since they have different typings after all

[south basin]

To be honest, that already happens sometimes so wouldn't be unusual still

[south basin]

On the different form typing topic regional variants seem to just be alt images last I heard on that topic. Meaning they also wouldn't get the right typing or stats

If meloetta got in that would be disappointing if it got the same treatment oof

[olive dagger]

Yeah regionals would basically have to be their own Pokemon and be added as such I think. Which, I wouldn't hate, if they added Alolan Vulpix line

[south basin]

Alolan vulpix is adorable, wanted it for a while but lost hope lol

[olive dagger]

But it'd be basically impossible to get every Alolan Form in the game, at least all at once if not just ever

[south basin]

Galarian ponyta is another regional form I like

[olive dagger]

And it'd also kinda be hard to justify where they'd appear? Like the games take place in and around Kanto, so of course the Kantonian variants are what you'll find

You'd basically have to be traded them by an NPC or something

[south basin]

Other fangames in the same engine get around that limitation by having players trade the kanto verison for a regional form with a NPC

Considering you can easily remove OT weather with fusion or getting it changed to yours in IF it could still work

[olive dagger]

Sure, and that's fine, but what if you wanted to see what the A-Ninetales x A-Ninetales fusion looks like? How would you get a second one

[south basin]

Catch another vulpix lol

[olive dagger]

The NPC just would trade over and over?

[south basin]

Yep. Either that or just once and players can breed more since you can even breed legendaries in IF with the breedable mon as the body and a ditto

[olive dagger]

A bit silly feeling, that. Besideswhich, what if you wanted to catch them in a special ball, such as to unlock the hidden ability? Or have a chance for a shiny, even?

Oh, that's fair, breeding slipped my mind (for once)

[south basin]

Some fangames keep the ball the same. Others have a system where a pokemon can be 'marked' from another region and will evolve into it's regional form as a result. Shoot, a fun fact from 7 gen up: You can breed a ball from the original pokemon into a regional variant and get either using the everstone method if that regional variant had a first stage one outside of the game it needed to evolve in for a evolved form. Works with all regional variants that didn't count as seperate pokemon like the rattata and ponyta lines

Say you have a kanto raticate in a dusk ball but want a alolan one in that same ball but don't feel like catching one. What you do is breed with a alolan raticate and weather your games a 7 gen game or not use a everstone to get the kanto form or the alolan form. I think after gen 7 the everstone breeding form mechanic got slightly tweaked so it's whatever form is holding it the egg becomes but I haven't checked in a while

Ball from both mother and father work for passing the ball to the opposite form since the games count such pokemon as the same one. Kind of went ham explaining it but was a neat mechanic not many know about lol

Bet it wouldn't work very well in IF unless there was a manual method to implement such a feature due to actual forms having seperate dex entires tho

[gusty shuttle]

Wow an actual discussion is going on 👀 And I'm not even reading slurs what a miracle

[south basin]

Yikes, that's rough

I haven't been here in a couple days, been catching up on sleep so guess I missed something lol

[lofty spindle]

Something I hope, for our final reveal, is to see a type we did not already get for these additions.

It is kind of a meme how many ghost-types, as well as dragon-types we got

[neat hemlock]

We can change all that if you play your cards right to evolve the convo

[gusty shuttle]

Lol tbh I can just write "Pidove" and people get inflammatory

[neat hemlock]

Coulda maxed the bug count, but how many wormples can one game handle

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/spinda-pokemon-dance-cope-cope-harder-gif-25747747

[gusty shuttle]

Pidove

[neat hemlock]

Spinda is a homie

[gusty shuttle]

Heart shaped Spinda is more than a homie

[neat hemlock]

Just think of all the spot combos that could be if we got spinda

Bulbasaur with all sorts of green or pink spots.
Zebstrika with spots instead of bolts.
Dragonair but with funny colors

[golden acorn]

I think there are better choices ngl

[neat hemlock]

Spinda, Blitzle, and Cutifly are the best picks

[golden acorn]

I agree with Cutifly and maybe Blitzle

[neat hemlock]

Spots, black n white, or butter color

[golden acorn]

But Spinda doesn't offer much new or interesting imo.

[gusty shuttle]

Imagine all the fusions with Pidove where the pokémon is in its simple realistic form
Bulbasaur but it's just a... Whatever Bulbasaur is
Zebstrika but it's just a Zebra
Dragonair but it's just a... Sea worm?

[neat hemlock]

It's to add another bear shape, fun color options, and more options for own tempo n tangled feet

Plus it's design of the spiral let's you incorporate spirals and infinity into designs

Spinda + exadrill? Gurren laagan

Spinda + bearsuring = zangief

Spinda plus Chansey? That whipped cream pokemon... or mayonnaise

Spinda + ho oh? Lugia, but on fire

Cause Lugia and the hurricanes n nados

[azure beacon]

Im wondering how many people actually want zebstrika. havent really heard anything about it. nobody fights for it, nobody really shits on it. makes me think, if anyone even remembers its existence

[neat hemlock]

I've been bringing him n Blitzle up since the start

Everyone's busy focused on powerful mons or funky designs.

I'm just like... is it cutes?
Can it do some neat fusions?
Is it nice without fusions?

[civic pagoda]

Spinda + gastly = a circle with a face that has a bunch of hovering dots around it

[azure beacon]

Zebstrika has some good abilities

[neat hemlock]

Charge is a fun move

[gusty shuttle]

I think I voted 2
Not a masterpiece not the worst, solid one, probably lots agree

[azure beacon]

it also had flame charge, which is odd, but appreciated

[neat hemlock]

Believe if Blitzle gets in I owe a handful of sprites.

[golden acorn]

Spinda + Omastar = Uzumaki/junji ito reference

[neat hemlock]

Spinda + hitmontop = Jin from yuyu hakusho

[gusty shuttle]

Spinda + Spinda = The screaming drunk and high junkie that wakes me up at 1 a.m.

[azure beacon]

its just spinda with a dirty beanie hat, a scruffy beard and an empty beer bottle

[golden acorn]

Just imagine what people would do with Aurorus and it's aurora aesthetic

Or vanilluxe and it's potential for ice cream themed fusions

[fossil gull]

Spinda and slugma? Snail from uzumaki

[alpine rune]

Final Mon boys

I bet it's a legendary, don't know which but I feel like it's due

[tame flax]

considering one of the leakmons just got revealed?

im betting necrozma

[neat hemlock]

The legendary...

[cyan hare]

inst there one today and tommorow?

[sharp nebula]

We will be revealing one evolutionary line per day for the next seven days, from Sept 30th to October 6th!

[cyan hare]

oh lmao

[tame flax]

considering i predicted sandygast would be a bonusmon based on the fact that he was in the file the day the playtest dropped, i imagine necrozma is as well

[cyan hare]

still saturdays are reveal days

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/castform-gif-26745714

[clever atlas]

It's gonna be lycanroc
Best for last
Source: ||trust me bro||

[neat hemlock]

Cast form gotta be it, based on the weather being a pokemon to add

[alpine rune]

Let's hope if it's a legendary it's lunala line because God forbid it takes the 4 community slots

[tame flax]

i genuinely think that today is going to be necrozma, and tomorrow will be the cosmog line since there are few four slot lines, and its weird that this is being done before the final 4 slots are revealed

while theres still a chance, im genuinely shocked lycanroc hasnt made it

[neat hemlock]

Omg I know who

https://tenor.com/view/klawf-roar-shout-roaring-zoom-gif-26674329

[clever atlas]

I am too
Shocked and disappointed

[neat hemlock]

Single slot legend that breaks through the generation barrier... rock crab himself...
Klawf!

[clever atlas]

Introducing:

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/rookidee-pokemon-anime-gif-3779844895530362198

Masked mystery mons break into IF.
Rookidee and Meowscarda

[cold fog]

Gotta be banger for the final Blitz 'mon. and tell me, what is more banger then a Pokémon with no weaknesses at all? Eelektross should come to PIF!

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/meowscarada-magic-trick-gif-12840256034544863557

[steady juniper]

This is when it’s going to be fucking wooloo

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-rika-wooper-clodsire-breakdancing-gif-14433222332004482476

Surprise twist, it's gonna be Pooper!

[sturdy breach]

Other than being a mixed attacker that doesn't have the stats to back it up? 😄

[tame flax]

its going to be tauros, tauros, and tauros

[cold fog]

Base 115 ATT and 105 Special Attack is nothing to scoff at. Eelektross' only problem is its speed. Too slow for normal teams, too fast for Trick Room teams. Which can be fixed with Fusion. Eelektross' movepool is also very wide 😛

[sturdy breach]

So just fuse it with another electric type, considering you will lose it's most unique trait otherwise

Might as well take another Levitate mon otherwise (in terms of arguments for adding it in)

[robust geyser]

When will the mods reveal Sandyghast 😭

[cold fog]

yesterday?

[sturdy breach]

I mean Hydreigon does it better, other than not being electric

[cold fog]

Meh, I just want my favorite Pokémon in there, that's all 😛

[sturdy breach]

Now THAT is something I can respect (as long as it's not Bruxish, I shudder at the thought 😛 )

Or rather, something I can not argue against

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/__-gif-21379157

[mellow estuary]

Zebstrika and Excadrill cope

[cold fog]

But at the same time, if given the choice between Eelektross and a new Ability on a New 'mon, I'd probably choose the new Ability. (I REALLY want Corrosion, but looks like it won't happen)

[sturdy breach]

Megumin for IF?!

[sharp nebula]

when will the mods reveal Sableye 😭

[neat hemlock]

Obviously

Known move? Explosion

But we need Delphox line so we have a witch... then fuse in electrode or Voltorb for Megumin

[sturdy breach]

We already have a witch though 😄

[neat hemlock]

Who?

[sturdy breach]

and isn't this supposed to reference Megumin?

[neat hemlock]

Ehh, who ever heard of a ghost blowing up

[sullen elbow]

Mismagious will never be ballin-

[sturdy breach]

I could be totally whiffing the reference though

I don't mind Delphox, I prefer Mismagius because it actually has a witch hat 😄

[sullen elbow]

If only hatterene was an option

[cold fog]

Delphox + Migmagius fusion = Witch Hat AND Witch Wand! 😮

[carmine coral]

I hope the last ones are Foongus and Amoongus. We need more shrooms

[sturdy breach]

And then make a triple witch fusion! 🙂

[neat hemlock]

We have shrooms at home.
Shrooms at home:

[sullen elbow]

Shiinotic is kinda cool too

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/paras-pokemon-spore-mushroom-crab-gif-24533007

[sturdy breach]

If it wasn't so good in VGC, nobody would want to see Amoongus. EVER 😄

[carmine coral]

Consider what happens when you remove one of the o's in Amoongus 😉

[sturdy breach]

Which is EXACTLY why

[carmine coral]

We need it.

[sturdy breach]

No. We really do not.

[carmine coral]

Think of the salt

[neat hemlock]

Cosmog + among us = spaceman

[sturdy breach]

If I wanted salt, I would beg for Gen9 to be in.

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-potion-guy-turns-into-among-us-impostor-sus-gif-20349022

[neat hemlock]

Id I wanted salt, I'd inform you all of the last add

And watch the people shenanigan about it being something else

[carmine coral]

Sandyghast is a great pick regardless

It's a fun design and cool concept. Way better than more dragons

[sturdy breach]

I would like the best mimic pokemon to be added, but I'm really fine with anything that isn't Bruxish 😄

[neat hemlock]

Best mimic? Did you mean .. sandaconda?

[sturdy breach]

This is the best mimic pokemon BTW

[brisk vessel]

No
But there is a Megumin sprite

[carmine coral]

But that's not a traditional mimic in the rpg sense. The only mimic pokemon are the electrode and Amoongus lines

[sturdy breach]

In the traditional sense it very much is a mimic.

[neat hemlock]

Ditto is the literal mimic

[sturdy breach]

Ditto transforms, it's a shapeshifter

[brisk vessel]

Amoongus being a mimic mon hurts my soul

[neat hemlock]

Geodude pretends to be rocks to sleep...

[sturdy breach]

Geodude IS a rock though.

[sullen elbow]

And galar stunfisk

[sturdy breach]

A sentient rock, but still a rock

[neat hemlock]

Yeah and his gen 1 dex talks about him acting as a mimic for normal rocks to avoid people

[sullen elbow]

No its a Pokemon

[carmine coral]

Forgot about him

[sturdy breach]

A mimic is something that pretends to be something entirely different. Amoongus and Voltorb pretending to be pokeballs for some frickin reason, Sudowoodo pretending to be a tree, Lurantis pretending to be a bug.

[neat hemlock]

Mewtwo pretends to have a purpose

[sturdy breach]

Galarian Stunfisk's mouth IS a very good mimic as well

[neat hemlock]

Mimikyu pretends to be a pikachu

[regal skiff]

Anyone else looking forward to a really cool shark pokemon with a fusion between garchomp and sharpedo?

[cold fog]

some people seem to think Bruxish is the absolute worse choice possible. That ain't it. The Elemental Monkeys are way worse choices to add in. Dumb Dollar-Store starters.

[sturdy breach]

No-one would believe a mimikyu is a pikachu though

[sharp nebula]

basculin is easily the worst imo

[sturdy breach]

At least Basculin fusions would hurt to look at 🙂

[neat hemlock]

But it's literally a mimic, which is the point

[azure beacon]

there would be a reason for basculin. but basculegion wont be a thing, unfortunately

[sturdy breach]

As such, it's not a very good mimic.

[ancient yarrow]

are they going to add alola and paldea regions in if?

[cold fog]

That ain't wrong. Basculin doesn't bring anything to the table other then "Generic Fish". At least Bruxish brings in vivid colors and a set of lips and teeth that decimate haters 👍

[sullen elbow]

Mimic (Japanese: ものまね Mimic) is a non-damaging Normal-type move introduced in Generation I. It is TM31 in Generation I.

[sturdy breach]

Heck, a lot of people are probably still thinking that Lurantis is at least part bug type

[azure beacon]

basculin has adaptability. but there are better options, if you just want that

[regal skiff]

One of the better pokemon I really wanted to see but I'm now doubting it'll get added is tyrunt and tyrantrum

[sturdy breach]

Which is one of the earlier revealed mons

[cold fog]

Y'mean the second Pokémon to be added since Devs said New 'mons are getting added?

[sullen elbow]

Me when annoucements

[sharp nebula]

are you joking?

[regal skiff]

Wait really?

[azure beacon]

yeah, I think tyrunts ship has sailed already

[elfin goblet]

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[regal skiff]

Yeah I think I completely missed that then lol

[sturdy breach]

To get on that topic, I wouldn't mind the Sauropods to be added