pif-hoenn-discussion

[cedar fjord]

but you have like Water and Poison at like 70% while fighting and Ice are at like 33%

[zealous flint]

Theres not enough fire/fighting type starters imo

[cedar fjord]

Gen II and Gen VI both retconned some Gen 1 Pokemon into being Steel and Fairy though

[cold fog]

I know. I said that Dark typing got no reps from Gen 1 since no re-typings, as opposed to Steel, which got Magnemite, and Fairy, which got Clefairy, for example.

[frozen oracle]

which gen 1 pokemon would be dark type?

[green vapor]

alolan rattata, raticate, meowth, persian, grimer and muk are all dark type
alolan diglett, dugtrio and sandslash are steel type which was also completely foreign to gen 1 besides magnemite, and alolan ninetales was fairy, another type not present in gen 1 (altough theres like 5 other fairies in gen 1)

[drowsy drift]

gengar line, even though that would insanely op

[zealous flint]

Poison makes no sense for the gengar line

[green vapor]

i feel like regional forms took their shot to introduce more types that didnt exist in gen 1 to gen 1 mons

[cedar fjord]

You could have done the Nido line as Dark

[drowsy drift]

hypno could be a psychic/dark

[cedar fjord]

it honestly could replace either of their types

[zealous flint]

Dark type nidoking regional form would be sick

[frozen oracle]

but then there are no ghost types?

[zealous flint]

Ghost/dark

[frozen oracle]

buts its gas

[zealous flint]

Gen 2 isnt any better with ghost types either

[cedar fjord]

Gyarados as Water/Dark instead of flying would also make a lot more sense

[zealous flint]

Ghastly is gas, haunter and gengar arent

[prisma willow]

You could make a theory that all the Fairy type Pokemon in Kanto/Johto became Normal types due to the sheer amount of Poison types in order to explain the retroactive type change. But the Kanto variants would've had to stay normal so...

[cold fog]

I can also see Pinsir being Bug/Dark, TBH.

[cedar fjord]

heck even stuff like Tentacruel or Vileplume could have been dark instead of Poison

[finite thistle]

It would make a bit more sense, but Dragon is still the typing it should've gotten especially when it got a Mega

Man can't even Crunch before ORAS

[cedar fjord]

in a different world. Doesn't Karen have a Vileplume in G/S/C?

[zealous flint]

Gyrados being flying type makes sense

[prisma willow]

Gamefreak just didn't know what to do with Ghosts until Gen 3 at the earliest

[cold fog]

Right. Vileplume could've EASILY be Grass/Dark.

[drowsy drift]

arbok could also pass for a poison/dark type

[cedar fjord]

Gen II only adding Kingdra and Misdreavus was kinda weird tbh

[zealous flint]

If you know the reason magikarp evolves into gyrados youll understand why gyrados is part flying type

[frozen oracle]

i think they are more likely to add dark type than replace a dual type

[cedar fjord]

i mean its also a legend about a fish becoming a dragon by jumping up a waterfall

[zealous flint]

Yea

[feral bear]

Plastic surgery

[cedar fjord]

hot take but Weezing should have been Poison/Flying

[zealous flint]

Pollution

[drowsy drift]

victreebel shoud also be a grass/dark type - pitcher plants aren't poisonous

[finite thistle]

It's actually really funny to compare gen 3 Ghosts to gen 3 Dark types. Like all of them are physical attackers, but Dark is still special

[cedar fjord]

like most of Weezing's design revolves around it being gaseous

[zealous flint]

Ima upload my sprites to the gallery now since they have been in spritework for a day

Might go to bed after i do it as well

[cold fog]

At least it got Levitate?

[prisma willow]

Wasn't Gyarados and Dragonite swapped around for their respective lines? Like Dragonair was originally supposed to evolve into Gyarados and Magikarp into Dragonite? (Which explains their colors)

[cedar fjord]

there are at least some physical ghosts in Gen 3 finally

[finite thistle]

I've always really wanted a Poison/Electric evolution of Weezing name Hacking. It's very punny

[frozen oracle]

i have wanted a evolution of weezing called ChoKing

[finite thistle]

All 3 gen 3 Ghost types are physical attackers

[wind nexus]

i dont think poison types really have to do with if the thing is actually poisonous? crobat is a poison type but bats arent im pretty sure.

[drowsy drift]

unfortuntely unless you can work a weezing evo into the japanese name as well the pun isn't going to make it

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[feral bear]

It doesnt but it should

[drowsy drift]

what's the #1 carrier of rabies in the world

[wind nexus]

you know what? good point actually

[drowsy drift]

if you guessed bats, you're right

[stone cliff]

Something like 10% of bats have rabies iirc

[cedar fjord]

calling Sableye an 'attacker' is stretching it lol

[feral bear]

Sableye is goober type

[stone cliff]

Meanwhile, Opossums are, I believe, immune to rabies

[drowsy drift]

sableye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfJBshvLJe4

[feral bear]

Gremblin

[frozen oracle]

HOW IS THIS POISONOUS????

[finite thistle]

Fair, but it's not like he cares either way

[wind nexus]

i think it's something to do with their body temp

[cedar fjord]

love Sableye but until M!Sableye it really didn't matter if you were going off its hilariously poor attack or slightly poorer special attack. And now you can just use Foul Play

[feral bear]

Lmao love that vid

[drowsy drift]

correct, their body temp is too low for the virus to live

[alpine rune]

We need to lower our body temp

so we become immune too

[cedar fjord]

Bats are asymptomatic carriers of like absolutely frightening amounts of diseases

[cedar fjord]

good news thats the Milwaukee protocol. it has a survival rate of 6 people ever

[drowsy drift]

zubat line being poison type might also be a reference to just how much shit bats produce. it's alarming

[feral bear]

The beast is demonic in nature

[opaque flare]

and then we have rats ... rats carry around a high amount of different viruses

why is rattata not poison type?

[cedar fjord]

2 of which came out without brain damage. It is still your only hope if you show symptoms of rabies

[zealous flint]

done

[finite thistle]

I do love how Sableye plays when it got its mega. Spend a bit of time being a rascally status disruptor until you wanna commit to tanking everything without caring about most status

[wind nexus]

speaking of poison types: i wonder why|| glimmet/glimmora|| are poison types

[prisma willow]

Doesn't really change that poison for the longest time was only effective against grass and every single grass type except for Tangala had poison as a dual type. So the type was sabotaged right out the gate like Ghost types were

[zealous flint]

idk crystal lore or somethin

[feral bear]

Spoilers prob

[zealous flint]

the games been out for like 9 months

[feral bear]

No i mean like the reason for it lol

[zealous flint]

o

[opaque flare]

most grass pokemon had dual poison type in early gens

[cold fog]

Poison should've kept its Super Effective status VS Bug.

[drowsy drift]

glimmora and glimmet's entries just says they have crystalized poison. only other pokemon that does that is alolan grimer/muk, so it's probably from the rocks they eat in the cave they come from

[drowsy elm]

Is there even a reason? Poison rocks seems just like a random pokemon thing

[feral bear]

Perhaps it has something to do with a yet unreleased but teased mon

That bears a striking resemblance to it

Conjecture, of course

[drowsy drift]

they eat tera crystals, since they're also found in kitakami near them

[prisma willow]

...man. Bug, Poison, Ice, and Ghost types really got the shaft early on didn't they?

[zealous flint]

tera crystal mukbang

[frozen oracle]

dragon has left the chat

[cedar fjord]

huh? Ghost was super good in Gen 1

[zealous flint]

psychic was super good too

[cedar fjord]

also every other gen. 2 immunities is ridiculous

[drowsy drift]

name a ghost move from gen 1

[neat hemlock]

Ghosts are always on point.
Darkness misses the point.

[opaque flare]

night shade

[frozen oracle]

lick

[drowsy drift]

and confuse ray, end of list

[opaque flare]

lick was psychic

[zealous flint]

anyway night night gys

[frozen oracle]

go look at haunters japanese name

[cedar fjord]

and they were bugged so psychic types were immune yes. But the typing itself has always been amazing

[feral bear]

Ghost types were freaky in gen 1

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-meme-team-rocket-jesse-gif-25607517

Ghost moves don't work on normal types. People aren't normal, per pokemon

[drowsy drift]

gosuto

[cedar fjord]

like Gengar was an insanely powerful Pokemon from day 1 and never really lost that. And a huge part is the 2 immunities ghost type offered

[prisma willow]

Lick, Night Shade, and Confuse Ray.

[opaque flare]

LICK WAS NOT GHOST TYPE IN GEN1

[frozen oracle]

does anyone question why jessie had a lickitung and james had a weepinbell?

[neat hemlock]

Weird that it would be psychic tho...

[cedar fjord]

lick was absolutely ghost type in Gen 1

[prisma willow]

wait what. Is the wiki lying?

[opaque flare]

no, it was psychic type

[finite thistle]

Gible then launched Shuckle with a Draco Meteor. Great moment for the little guy

[cedar fjord]

what are you talking about. No it wasn't

[opaque flare]

pretty sure it was
it became ghost type in gen2

[drowsy drift]

StadStad2 A Ghost-type attack. Has a one-in-three chance of leaving the target with paralysis.

[frozen oracle]

no it was ghost type

[cedar fjord]

no, it was just bugged in gen 1 not to affect Psychic types

[neat hemlock]

StadStad2 ?

[drowsy drift]

stadium and stadium 2

[frozen oracle]

there was a bug in gen 1 where ghost moves didnt work on psychic types

[cedar fjord]

it was still ghost in gen 1

[neat hemlock]

Ah. Aight.

[prisma willow]

But Psychics were immune to Ghost moves in Gen 1 due to a coding error

[feral bear]

Lol the edit

[opaque flare]

night shade worked on psychic types

[cedar fjord]

right, lick specifically was bugged

[neat hemlock]

Gen 1 had darkness being immune to being in the game. But here we are

[opaque flare]

and night shade was definetly ghost type

[drowsy drift]

night shade and seismic toss ignored type immunities in gen 1

[left tartan]

They don’t anymore?

[finite thistle]

Nope

[drowsy drift]

gen 2 onward it obeyed immunities

[cedar fjord]

gen 1 was held together with duct tape and a prayer

[drowsy drift]

old rpgs often were at the time

[cedar fjord]

and its still hilarious they used the space they saved by removing the dev tools to add mew.

[prisma willow]

Like, why did they make the supposed counter to Psychics weak to them with the poison dual typing?

[finite thistle]

I love gen 1 jank, especially partial trapping

[cedar fjord]

because Gen 1 was designed as a janky GB rpg

[finite thistle]

So many Pokemon are just so much better than they would be in later games

[cedar fjord]

not as anything really balanced. They did things because it made sense to them when they were working on it

[prisma willow]

Gold/Silver fixed a lot of things didn't it?

[drowsy drift]

final fantasy 1-6 were all so insanely buggy it makes gen 1 pokemon look like normal

[cedar fjord]

but I mean there's a reason Gen II introduced 2 'screw psychic types' types

also honestly 1 and 6 were really buggy for Final Fantasy. The others really weren't.

or at least not anywhere near the same degree. And a huge part of that is because they were ambitious in weird ways

[drowsy drift]

2 is also super buggy

and 4!

[trail hull]

You mean that even the first few game were as buggy as sv

[cedar fjord]

not really, its just a Saga game so some of the mechanics are uh weird or dumb. But most of them work as intended

at least compared to FF1

like FF1 has half the spells not do anything at best. Its on a whole other level

[prisma willow]

Hm. How would you buff poison types? Bugs got buff by being given moves that are actually damaging in Gen 5 and pokemon that are actually powerful

[drowsy drift]

ultima is the ultimate magic spell in the story of ff2, a main plot point. but because of a bug it doesn't do any damage

[sharp sphinx]

howd series continue?

[cedar fjord]

its not a bug, its because the damage formula is dumb as hell

[prisma willow]

We all know Ice needs resistences.

[sharp sphinx]

make it resist fairy

[cedar fjord]

and scales off of mastering other skills which is grindy as hell. But if you get up to 16 in everything it becomes mediocre

[trail hull]

Sshhh you gonna attract the sound type Stans

[cedar fjord]

that's not the same thing as like all the non-damaging BM spells doing nothing

[feral bear]

Sound type < Cosmic type

[sharp sphinx]

nah sound oughtn't be at type, it reps nearly every special normal move anyways

[drowsy drift]

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_bugs_and_glitches#Final_Fantasy_II

[cedar fjord]

make other, cooler normal special moves

[sharp sphinx]

that'dve been in gen 7 if it was gonna happen

[feral bear]

Correct sadly

[cedar fjord]

its not like we don't have some already like Tri Attack

[sharp sphinx]

sound is a move aspect not a type a numer of other things are

[prisma willow]

But back on topic kinda, how would you buff bugs? We got it resisting Fairy so far.

[cedar fjord]

or heck Hyper Beam

[drowsy drift]

if cosmic type was introduced as sloppily as fairy was clefable is gonna be either the best pokemon ever or the worst

[cedar fjord]

Bug doesn't need a buff

[sharp sphinx]

make gamefreak rush the games even more 😛

[cedar fjord]

Bug is very good already. Its biggest issue is that a lot of bugs have terrible stats or abilities

[vestal wharf]

They fr avoiding accelgor and toxicroak rn

[cedar fjord]

the ones that have good ones are already ridiculous

[prisma willow]

This is true.

[feral bear]

I did a whole deep dive on cosmic type once

[cedar fjord]

Like Scizor and Volcarona have both just straight broken OU a few times

and Bug Arceus actually sees a weirdly high amount of play

[sharp sphinx]

assuming no legendaries hopin for one of these in the blitz (wishiwashi least)

[prisma willow]

So it's not that bug is a bad type, it's just that they just need to stop making so many early game, throw-away bug Pokemon?

[sharp sphinx]

assuming legends bacon borb

[sharp sphinx]

looks at that new spider mon

[cedar fjord]

and they kind of have? Like at least now for every Spidops we get a Lokix

[agile sun]

lycanroc and clawitzer 🫶🏼

[cedar fjord]

instead of Ledian and Ariados

[drowsy drift]

lokix my beloved

[trail hull]

You know if the type need to be rebalanced I rather have a new type then just tweaking the type chart. Since you gonna relearn it anyway , might as well get something new

[feral bear]

I like spidops!!!

[cedar fjord]

yeah but its like a Gen 1 or 2 bug thrown into Gen 9 for some reason and is just sort of comically bad

[feral bear]

Dont really care for lokix!!

[sharp sphinx]

and sometimes adidng a new type alone wont fix it or messes with stuff more, fairy was poorly executed

[sharp sphinx]

that's irrelevant to viability point being discussed

[cedar fjord]

Ice is probably the only type I'd be good with a rebalance on. And that's 100% because Gamefreak seems to be incapable of making anything but slow bulky ice types

[feral bear]

Idc hes just really neat 2 me hehe

[trail hull]

Yeah for it to be a new type it has to be balanced or else the new type gonna dominate

[sharp sphinx]

well don't bring it up in response then

[cedar fjord]

like maybe give it more than just an ice resist would be nice

[drowsy drift]

bro chill

[cedar fjord]

like why doesn't ice resist water

[trail hull]

At least this gen they can get rid of ice type

[cedar fjord]

at the very, very least

[sharp sphinx]

do they have tpyes where resistances go both ways?

[feral bear]

U said he was throwaway and i dont agree

[cedar fjord]

Poison and Bug

[sharp sphinx]

I think there mightve been 1

[prisma willow]

Lol, lets make the type that's the counter to the type that resists a lot of things resist nothing. BALANCE~!

[cedar fjord]

which is actually a reversal of Gen 1 where they're both weak to each other

[sharp sphinx]

it was in reference to the tendency for their to be bug mons that evovle quick (or even don't) but are weak in long term

[cedar fjord]

Poor Parasect had 3 4X weaknesses in gen 1 lmao

[sharp sphinx]

three?

[trail hull]

Poor guy

[cedar fjord]

Yes, Bug and Poison used to be mutually weak to each other

[sharp sphinx]

was that inteded or a glitch?

[cedar fjord]

now they both resist each other. It was intended

also looking at it Normal absolutely has enough non-sound special moves that it would be fine if it was split off

[left tartan]

Wait bug resists poison?

[cedar fjord]

or wait, no it doesn't

[left tartan]

Nooooo it doesn’t

[cedar fjord]

but they did used to be mutually super-effective on each other in Gen 1

[left tartan]

I didn’t know that part though

Parasect was living on the edge

[cedar fjord]

I guess its just Bug and Fighting that mutally resist each other

[sharp sphinx]

bug can't hurt human, but much tougher humans still fear bug, also hard to just punch/catch

[drowsy drift]

why does scyther get to have 2 evos but pinsir is stuck only having a crappy mega which can't even be used anymore

[cedar fjord]

now I'm imagining Kleavor but its a Pinsir with stone axe horns

[drowsy drift]

kleavor is cool and all but I can't help but feel like it would have been cooler designed for pinsir instead

especially because scizor is already like the perfect pokemon

[sharp sphinx]

why does sychter get to have 2 evos but second one still doesn't do scyther but more

[sharp sphinx]

they don't give pokemon with megas evos

[cedar fjord]

Scyther and evos are also the only Pokemon that only shuffle around stats on evo and have the same BST

[drowsy drift]

I know, and it's a stupid rule

[sharp sphinx]

steelix doesn't?

[sharp sphinx]

rule is cause megas only went to fully evovled pokemon

[cedar fjord]

Yeah its just Scyther, Scizor and Kleavor with the same BST. Every other evolution has a higher BST than its pre-evo except Sheninja

[prisma willow]

It really kinda feels there's a decent number of pokemon that are just there as padding.

[sharp sphinx]

ya could maybe do the regional route, but wouldn't happen in past if megas are tied to the past and some primaly stuff

[cedar fjord]

I mean yeah. You could pretty seamlessly hack out like 300 Pokemon with minimal fuss

which I would like to add they have realized and is why we're like never getting the full dex in a game ever again

[cold fog]

I do think it's neat that Scyther's family all get the same BST. means all 3 are viable and all have their own niches.

[brisk vessel]

I hope they give Torterra Shell Smash in this game

[cedar fjord]

it makes them more like Formes than evolutions tbh

[sharp sphinx]

it's cause at the time furhter stat gain woulda been a lot

[sharp sphinx]

geerally go by gen 7 learnsets unless theres a tm or something

[cedar fjord]

not really. Scyther has 500 which isn't breaking the bank even in Gen 1 and 2

like the starters have 530ish and Arcanine is sitting there with 550

[drowsy drift]

it's because arcanine is a legendary pokemon

[sharp sphinx]

no but much more woulda been unsual only arcanine had that due to "the legendary pokemon" and 30 ish is too smalla gain

annd now that it has happened they dont wanna outclass it with evo tree

[prisma willow]

Or, as you said: have them evolve into each other. Like Tauros into Bouffant and Luvdisc into that one pink Sunfish. But then there are the regional forms that are just plain better. Like Galarian Zigzagoon.

[sharp sphinx]

nowadays we get plenty of 550s

[cedar fjord]

I mean you also have Lapras, Snorlax, Gyarados, Exeggutor, the eeveultions

etc who all have significantly higher than 500 BST

like even Tentacruel has 515

[brisk vessel]

Erm ackshually it's 555 nerd emoji

[cedar fjord]

Poliwrath and the Nidos also beat Scyther

its actually really middle of the road for Gen 1 fully evolved mons. It just has good distribution and Scizor takes that a step further

Gen 1 mons actually have on average really high BSTs compared to later gens

[drowsy drift]

side effect of the special stat split

[cedar fjord]

huh never realized that, Must be an artifact of the special split yeah

[drowsy drift]

too bad pokemon like hypno got absolutely wrecked by the split

[cedar fjord]

It also nerfed some monsters like Gyarados

[drowsy drift]

going from 115 special attack to 73. oof.

[cedar fjord]

Yeah Ninetales went fromm 100 to 81 which sucked

[arctic glacier]

Where's the Castform love?

[drowsy drift]

there's no reason castform has to suck as much as it does

[cedar fjord]

you can say that about a lot of gimmick mons

[arctic glacier]

Base 70 across the board

I had no idea, just a bargain bin mythical

[drowsy drift]

you could MAYBE say the gimping of castform was because weather used to be permanent on the field, but that's no longer the case

[cedar fjord]

its not a mythical, its a regular mon

Phione is the garbage mythical with 80s across the board

same as Glalie

[arctic glacier]

I look forward to seeing if Gamefreak ever brings it back in a meaningful way

[cedar fjord]

i mean its best shot is getting a later gen evo since we're apparently doing those again

[drowsy drift]

if it's not gen 1 they really don't want to revisit an old pokemon at all

[cedar fjord]

we literally got Dunsparse and Girafarig evos this gen

[drowsy drift]

dynamax garbodor is the last time they'll ever do something like that

[arctic glacier]

We wait for Let's go Plusle and Let's go Minun

[pure flower]

would it be better if Phione could evolve into Manaphy?

[cedar fjord]

like what, we've gotten more weird love for old mons recently than we have since Gen 4

[drowsy drift]

two complete pisstakes, wow

[pure flower]

You could get eggs in the first place, why not make it possible to evolve Phiones

[cedar fjord]

we also got the monster that is Ursaluna

[drowsy drift]

that one's valid

[arctic glacier]

It feels like we've gotten a lot of Gen 2 love

So gen 3 is next

[pure flower]

skarmory evo?

[cedar fjord]

also Kingambit for some reason. And Dripplin'

and Archaludon

[pure flower]

actually. What would a Skarmory evo even look like? An even bigger metal knight bird, focusing more so on agility?

[cold fog]

Don't forget Annilihape!

[cedar fjord]

I was going with non Gen 1 stuff

[drowsy drift]

kingambit could have been cool if they'd reign in the guy on the design team who thinks making one aspect of a pokemon really oversized to make it look worse is cool

[cold fog]

Oh, thought it was new evos from already existing 'mons. My bad.

[cedar fjord]

Wyrdeer too. And Basculegion

[sharp sphinx]

skarmory aint doing that rough as is, albeitn not in current gen

[primal musk]

Slowbro

[drowsy drift]

what is bro cookin

[primal musk]

Pokemon with megas not getting evos is a funny rule ngl

[drowsy drift]

are you a gamefreak employee leaking a slowbro evo

[primal musk]

Slowbro has an Evo and a mega

[drowsy drift]

whats the evos name

[primal musk]

Slowking

It's simply cooler

[sharp sphinx]

slowking is an alternate slowpoke evo

[primal musk]

I know shush

[sharp sphinx]

no

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/clampicated-kelp-pun-fish-pun-gif-26915972

[primal musk]

I miss branching evos man

[sharp sphinx]

points at ceruledge and armarouge

[drowsy drift]

and applin

[sharp sphinx]

and galarian slowpoke

[drowsy drift]

scyther got a new one

[sharp sphinx]

kubfu

[drowsy drift]

technically kubfu only evolves into 1 pokemon

[primal musk]

Fair point, something about Slowbro getting a mega when slowking didn't always rubbed me the wrong way, also growing up thinking slowking was cooler always made me imagine him as 3rd in the line lmao

[sharp sphinx]

theres also rockruff before that and starters in PLA

[sharp sphinx]

gen 1 favoritism

[primal musk]

You right

[feral bear]

12 hours til tsareena reveal

[drowsy drift]

4 gen7 reveals in a row?

[primal musk]

Back to the point I was going to make, midline pokemon getting megas would have been the perfect way to make them more relevant but they just made it a gimmick for either popular pokemon to become busted or some early pokemon to have design variety

[sharp sphinx]

at that point they wouldnt be megas theyd be branch evos

[drowsy drift]

no more megas. just give some of the mega'd pokemon evos to begin with. most mega designs were hot garbage anyway

[sharp sphinx]

whole point of mega is even further

[primal musk]

Fair, I just feel like the gimmick was wasted potential

As are most things with tpc

[sharp sphinx]

hee hoo different>good

[hushed mantle]

Bro tried to cook a take and left the whole kitchen in ashes ☠️

[drowsy drift]

you look at mega camerupt and tell me it's good

[fossil gull]

Fluffy camel

[hushed mantle]

It is good wtf

[primal musk]

Gonna have to agree with the take regardless

[fossil gull]

Is good

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-camerupt-deedrill-gif-11481932

[primal musk]

As much as I like some of the megas, many of them were "what if part of it was simply bigger?"

[hushed mantle]

I mean, they’re supposed to be the same mon and not a completely different thing

[feral bear]

I hope that if they make a chicken nugget pokemon that it gets a mega that turns it into a rotisserie chicken

[drowsy drift]

mega mawile shouldn't have been a mega, just a straight up evo

[hushed mantle]

Eh. Would be ok with either

[drowsy drift]

well now you don't get it as a mega or regular evo at all since megas are gone

[primal musk]

And yet we have stuff like mega Mewtwo Y where it literally just becomes something almost completely different (I will say for legends and starters the designs tend to be a bit more inspired)

Megas were a fun experiment but god they're flawed

[fossil gull]

Take: I wanted more X and y mega evos

[primal musk]

Honestly not a terrible take

There's only like, 3 iirc

[hushed mantle]

I want mega flygon x with sand stream and mega y being bug type

[fossil gull]

two

[drowsy drift]

no more poorly thought out battle gimmicks please

[primal musk]

Is it literally just Charizard and Mewtwo

[feral bear]

Give jynx her mega that got scrapped

[drowsy drift]

🤓

[fossil gull]

Mega flygon was scrapped

[drowsy drift]

erm, acktshully it's good that there's a gimmick every new game that will never ever come back and is insanely poorly balanced 🤓

[empty leaf]

While I do miss Mega Absol...at the same time I prefer not to see those Mega legendaries, you know the ones...

[primal musk]

Honestly I like regional stuff, probably some of the smartest moves the pokemon company could have made to diversify older designs

Alolan Persian though...

[feral bear]

I actually liked megas, absolutely hated dynamax and z moves, and tera is alright but honestly where do u go from tera its like the end all be all

[fossil gull]

Dude Wtf man

[cold fog]

Regional Variants are a great idea. Convergeant Pokémon though...... not great. Just an excuse to fill up the Pokédex IMO.

[hushed mantle]

I liked dynamax cuz i can sweep with pu mons

[fossil gull]

It just feels insulting to the casual players (like me)

[drowsy drift]

I'm sorry you've drawn that conclusion from what I said

[feral bear]

I liked gigantamax but dynamax just seemed so lazy to me and the concept of kaiju pokemon makes me full body cringe

[fossil gull]

It just felt off man so apology accepted

[primal musk]

Tera is also pretty smart mechanically but I don't like the hats lol

[drowsy drift]

they need something with sticking power to change things up the same way things like held items, weather, and terrain did

[cold fog]

Dynamax always felt like a poor combination of Megas and Z Moves to me.

[empty leaf]

I will say this, I do like the idea of Mega but it is flawed, of course this is Game Freak and they can't really balance...
which to be fair, it's hard to do so with over 1000 Pokémon

[drowsy drift]

pokemon also already has the perfect casual mechanic in it called the battle system in pokemon

[feral bear]

Tbf any one of these could be that, if they would just stick to one lol

I think tera is a nice compromise but i hate the whole "u can only do this in THIS particular region" aspect of the gimmicks

[drowsy drift]

it would be funny if they retroactively made lugia the regional legendary responsible for allowing pokemon to hold items

[feral bear]

Lmaoo bye i have strong opinions on the hand wings dont get me started

They have done lugia so dirty since its inceptipn its not even funnyy

[drowsy drift]

gimmicks that go away every game make a perfect excuse to make lots of merch then make flashier merch next time - the money really isn't with the rpgs anymore

if tera types were going to actually stick around they wouldn't have the stupid hats

[feral bear]

Pokemon is dead tbh, we're honestly lucky we are even getting new gens at this point, they could milk 1-8 for the next 50 years easy

[drowsy drift]

the fan games and romhacks are going it alive and that's fine

[azure beacon]

Not for nintendo apparently

[feral bear]

Its literally all we have at this point smh

[drowsy drift]

main series can keep shambling along like a zombie

[fossil gull]

No we don’t, scar vi is great

[feral bear]

Trust me i liked gen 9 better than gen 8, but it still wasnt great

And this whole dlc nonsense is insanity like bananas

[drowsy drift]

I'm not going to go over all the reasons why s/v is terrible as a game again because it just upsets people

[fossil gull]

I’ve got a soft spot for gen 9 since it’s the one that got me back into Pokémon

[feral bear]

Imagine not having the third legendary in the base game

[fossil gull]

X and y
Silver and gold
Ruby and sapphire

[drowsy drift]

I will say that as far as regular pokemon designs go, s/v did a fantastic job. I have some all-time type favorites from it - but I thoroughly disliked the game itself

[azure beacon]

Feel like at this point there wont be anything better than gen 3-5. Those were peak pokemon, still are and will probably continue to be for as long as pokemon exists

[feral bear]

Silver and gold didnt have a 3rd legendary, but you could still catch all of them in the base game lol. The others all had their 3rd legendary obtainable

[cold fog]

Yup. It is my personnal belief that any Pokémon game that can be played on the DS (original or Lite), that's the peak Pokémon experience.

[fossil gull]

You had to wait until sun and moon though for zygaurd

[feral bear]

No you didnt lol

[fossil gull]

….

[feral bear]

Only the complete form was exclusive to sun and moon, zygarde was in x and y

[cold fog]

Well

[azure beacon]

They should have stuck with the 2.5D thing they had with gen4 and 5, where you had 3D elements in a 2D world. Idk how much of a hot take that is.

[drowsy drift]

zygard was just chilling in his cave doing jack, so I wouldn't really count it. didn't even have a story attached

[cold fog]

10% form also was only in Alola

[feral bear]

But yoy could still catch it and speculate about it, similar to ray in ruby and sapphire

[drowsy drift]

used to be a hot take but I think people generally accept that as fact now

[feral bear]

Terapagos isnt even mentioned in base scar vi

[cold fog]

3D Mainline Pokémon was a mistake 😦

[fossil gull]

Yes it was, the mystery disk mon in the books

[drowsy drift]

imagine paying for dlc just to have the third legendary be catchable

[feral bear]

That was a page in a book with redacted text and a cryptic woodcut, hardly a mention. Theres a difference between a teaser and the mon actually being there

[fossil gull]

It’s better then waiting until the next game to catch the other forms of zygaurd

[feral bear]

Thats extremely debatable

[fossil gull]

Where it doesn’t make sense for him to be there

[feral bear]

Id rather catch it than not catch it lmaoo

[drowsy drift]

how about gamefreak gets their shit together so we don't have to debate which fuckup is preferable

[feral bear]

Rather not pay 30 extra bucks for it

[primal musk]

If 3d stayed a home console thing and 2d stayed mainline I think pokemon would be in an amazing spot rn

Like the 3ds cursed pokemon imo

[fossil gull]

So what I’m gathering here is that y’all don’t like modern Pokémon…

[cold fog]

Please understand. Pokemon is the largest grossing media out there, but it's way too hard to make a proper, glitch free game with their -limited- ressources.

[feral bear]

I said i liked the gen, youre reaching

[empty leaf]

that's the thing, I'm kinda torned with what they're doing

[fossil gull]

I meant some people not you

[feral bear]

Just put the third legendary in the base game and lose the sleazy dlc model, its very simple

Deliver a complete product

[fossil gull]

My brother in arceus, they’ve never delivered complete products thanks to version difference

[empty leaf]

like if the base game was bug-free or have as little of said bugs and it is solid, then some wouldn't have a problem with paying DLC (although it would be better if they just make it a complete package)

[primal musk]

Modern pokemon has its great parts ngl, it's just a lot less polished on the surface than the 2d games which also had their fair share of BS and QoL dilemmas

[feral bear]

New phone who dis

[drowsy drift]

if you look at the direction the games were going with d/p/p and b/w and then where it's gone from x/y I don't think there's many nice things to say about the modern series

[feral bear]

And if we arent gonna like, go all in on this open world shit, then please just go back to the original model

[empty leaf]

but we do have Scarlet/Violet so you could guess what happen in quality control

[fossil gull]

I like the open world stuff!

[empty leaf]

shame since I did hear some good things with Scar/Vio

[primal musk]

I think scvi is a step in the right direction in certain regards and a step backwards in the overall polish department

[fossil gull]

I like being able to fight trainers without them instigating

[feral bear]

Like this kitakami shit is so lame, a whole new map for like 3 quests

[cold fog]

Best Pokémon Game on the Switch is Pokémon Snap.

[drowsy drift]

worldbuilding and story has been dookie is what I'm trying to say here. graphical and bug related issues are definitely there but it's beeen a drop in quality in every aspect of the game part since

[primal musk]

Speak your truth

Also mystery dungeon

[feral bear]

The dlc would be fine if it was released as one single cohesive third version but, u know

[drowsy drift]

they really do need more games that just let you experience the world of pokemon even if it's not through battling (and please god not on a mobile phone)

[fossil gull]

I enjoyed kitakami, it’s a small map, it’s got Ogrepon, it’s got me excited for indigo disk, it allows the catching of basculeagion without PLA, it’s great

[empty leaf]

honestly, if Scar/Vio was more polished then I could see that game being liked some more...now if you want it to run smoother than the Switch, there is a way but I shall leave that to you to learn/find out

[drowsy drift]

you should play PLA and then realize what it looks like when they actually try

[feral bear]

Im glad that you enjoyed it, but i expect more from one of the most popular gaming and merchandising brands of all time, especially when they have delivered in the past with far far less

[drowsy drift]

PLA has some well-known issues but damn if it doesn't lay the groundwork for some amazing games if they want to actually make them

[cold fog]

I was SURPRISED we didn't get a Pokémon Snap game on the 3DS or the Wii U. Imagine taking pictures with the Wii U Gamepad, or using the 3DS Camera to snap Pokémon in the Real World. Missed opportunities, I say D:

[feral bear]

That being said, mystery dungeon dx was FIREE

[primal musk]

Honestly depends ngl, I'd prefer new stuff in the mainline than have to buy a game and speedrun a brand new save just to see the 1 cool new cutscene and at max 5 new towns for the new legendary form that sweeps Ubers and gets banned within weeks

[feral bear]

I meant like teal and indigo combined as its own thing, make that the new third version archetype but this 2 part shit is nonsense

[primal musk]

Yeah ngl I'm not buying the dlc lol

[feral bear]

I wouldnt mind paying for a third version that fully combines the black 2 white 2 concept with the dlc concept, just make it one cohesive product and not dripfeed bullshit

[primal musk]

Is explorers DX announced to be a thing yet? Cause if it is I will relive my childhood and cry

[empty leaf]

currently there's no announcement for it...sadly

[fossil gull]

You’re talking to me like I started from gen nine, I didn’t I started with diamond and peral but I really got into black and white one and two, listen here, I only decided to play gen nine just because it’s been i while, I enjoy the game, I would get PLA but I’ve got way too many games on the back burner and honestly we should stop this whole debate in the wrong spot of the server. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you tell me that I shouldn’t like it. Besides it’s better then most companies being live service battle passes for arceus out loud for their 60 doller games!

[undone frost]

o shit pex is here now

[primal musk]

I need to play PLA tbh I think it'd hit my nostalgia in weird ways

[drowsy drift]

this shouldn't be taken so personally

[feral bear]

PLA was good, just some very weird decisions that were made

[zinc cave]

better this way

[fossil gull]

I’m a causal Pokémon fan, I collect the cards, I like the art, I don’t battle online because of the constantly changing meta, I just enjoy it and accept that there’s flaws in the games instead of complaining about it!

[drowsy drift]

i'm never going to look at paras the same way again

[feral bear]

Like, why did they use random starters and not sinnoh starters, why did they have to get shafted so hard in their remake cycle lmaoodnsjs

Sinnoh remake cycle was just sooo strange to me

[undone frost]

multibillion dollar franchises shouldn’t have centerpiece games made by under 100 people in a year

[feral bear]

Kanto and Hoenn remakes were soooo hype, and sinnoh was just meh. I have little hope for Unova at this point

[drowsy drift]

if i honestly open up about how i feel about bd/sp here I will get banned from the server

[undone frost]

pokemon deserves better than the mediocre slop we’ve been getting

arceus was pretty cool tho, its just that every other mainline game post bw2 sucked

[primal musk]

I'm a fan that's played since dppt and have gone back to play almost every mainline game since the start (skipped swsh) and still I have gripes with the franchise

[fossil gull]

It sucks

[feral bear]

And johto? Forget it. Look at what they did to suicune and raikou its honestly criminal

[undone frost]

i truly believe that the biggest franchise in the world(not exaggerating) should have top notch, high quality games with very few flaws, on par with most other nintendo games

unfortunately we instead get treated like crap by a company that views us as products

[primal musk]

BD/SP is a godsend for modders

[drowsy drift]

they need to mod it into a good game first

[primal musk]

Just the price of doing business

Luminescent Platinum sends its regards

[undone frost]

as a casual-ish comp player i gotta say that walking wake is one of the most fun pokemon to use, and i find the designs of both dino cats to be very creative

[alpine rune]

She sells seashells on the seashore...

[feral bear]

Please dear god no, miss me with the dinosaur shit its soooo lame

[drowsy drift]

the people remaking platinum in the gen 5 engine looks better still

[primal musk]

The what

[fossil gull]

I like the dinos, it’s better the the future mon

[empty leaf]

I've almost forgot that someone is working on that, the gen 5 engine that is

[feral bear]

Future mons are graceful and preserve the dignity of the original designs, which is what a new form SHOULD do

[drowsy drift]

https://twitter.com/Silast_UP/status/1679792351190069249 check this account

Silast (@Silast_UP)

Small changes to the pokemon center interior ✨
Reflection was also added similarly to BDSP

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[primal musk]

The fact that I now know of its existence means I have another thing to look forward to like a child before Christmas

[feral bear]

The past paradox beasts are so far removed from their original designs, and whats worse is that they are just sooo ugly i cant it makes me so angry

[undone frost]

i think eventually bdsp will be the hallmark of pokemon fangames(besides maybe gen 3 and essentials) thanks to being built on unity, but that’ll be many years in the future

[feral bear]

Like you took the most graceful and dancerly pokemon and turned it into a hurr durr raptor

[drowsy drift]

ikr? https://twitter.com/Silast_UP/status/1691844741095194771

Silast (@Silast_UP)

Gen 5 PokeRadar hunt + Gen 5 like battle background testing 🌟

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[undone frost]

that’s the point, if they looked the same it’d be boring, they’re paradoxes

they look ugly because they aren’t natural

[drowsy drift]

there's also going to be a gen 4-related fangame using this project as well!

[feral bear]

No other past paradox has such a drastic change either, it's just them

[undone frost]

would you rather have iron leaves and the cobalion form, which are lazy as heck

[empty leaf]

yeah, I could see BDSP getting a huge second life as a modding platform for fangames/overhaul
If Unity doesn't crap the bed

[drowsy drift]

https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=443506
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/comments/10cmflx/lata_they_looked_so_friendly/

[primal musk]

Honestly I like the past paradoxes more than the future ones

[fossil gull]

I’m going to stop arguing

[undone frost]

unity won’t prey on free projects, only stuff that they can leech profit off

[feral bear]

I agree that more could have been done with them, but at least they arent overdesigned and like, actually completely different pokemon

[fossil gull]

I’m Tierd of this I’m leaving this one

[primal musk]

don't give them ideas

[feral bear]

Like iron moth and slither wing are still moths, theyre not pteradactyls

[lofty spindle]

Isn't Slither Wing a stegosaurus?

[feral bear]

If it is, they did a really good job of marrying both concepts, they didnt just change it into a dinosaur for the hell of it lol

[undone frost]

anyway i’ve said most of my piece, need to go in a sec

but i feel the more unique paradox forms are way better, like slither wing, walking wake, iron valiant to some extent

[primal musk]

Honestly if slither wing became a dragon snake I wouldn't care, volcarona is a design that can't possibly have been done wrong, even iron moth is simply disappointingly basic at worst

[lofty spindle]

I do agree actually.

Also people neglected to tell me it stands up for the longest time and can give hugs.

[feral bear]

Like play around with the design sure, but dont change the entire soul of the mon

Tiger to brontosaurus is such a staggering leap

[primal musk]

Litten to incineroar makes me angry but somehow suicune to dinosaur doesn't offend me

[drowsy drift]

I'm only wondering why they ditched the triple fusions they teased initially

[surreal chasm]

It's a paradox
They're weirdos
They're not supposed to make sense

[feral bear]

Suicune to dinosaur offends me on a deep and personal level lol i still am so gagged i havent been right since that first reveal

I know what a paradox is lol, im saying that the beasts take it to a different, jarring level that i really dont appreciate compared to the others

[surreal chasm]

I appreciate it more tbh

[feral bear]

At the very least, im glad some people are getting value out of it, but i just cannot condone it lol

[surreal chasm]

The more it makes my head spin the more it evokes that "paradox" feel

[primal musk]

I'm waiting for an official "original dragon" design to exist just for it to be a druddigon on meth

[surreal chasm]

Like Sandy Shocks 💀

[feral bear]

To me paradox just means cryptid, and even sandyshocks doesnt change the entire concept of the mon like hes literally just walking magneton, not like a completely different object, yaknow?

[surreal chasm]

I guess so but it's an object that shouldn't have existed

Why are there magnets and screws in the ancient past

[primal musk]

I wish they did more with future paradox forms like give the damn thing a genesect floppy drive or something interesting, don't make it a random geometric shape and call it a robot

[drowsy drift]

because it's not time travel

[surreal chasm]

Yeah it's a PARADOX

[feral bear]

I agree with the criticism about the future mons, but i like them because they are more cohesive and streamlined to me

[drowsy drift]

scream tail's entry saying it's from 1 billion years ago is so funny

[primal musk]

Like the most interesting future form we got is iron valiant

[feral bear]

Yea iron valiant should have been the blueprint for the others tbh, its the inverse of the problem with the past paradoxes and the beasts

They needed to remove them from the original designs further to match iron valiant, while they needed to reel in the beasts designs to match the other past paradoxes

[alpine rune]

I like Iron hands just fine

[feral bear]

Same but u gotta admit that hes just a hariyama with a fresh coat of metallic paint

[alpine rune]

whenever i think about Future Paradox, its always the hands that stood out

[drowsy drift]

future paradox pokemon are missing the context of where the paradox world they come from which we aren't going to be able to see

[surreal chasm]

The first ever land animal was from 428 million years ago lmao

[drowsy drift]

she is a single celled organism

[feral fiber]

1 billion years ago jigglypuff had more hair

[primal musk]

Tbh I don't mind cobalion and verizion

I don't mind suicune either but raikou looks terrible to me

[feral bear]

Im sure terrakion will be bland but fine, but entei is sure to trigger me further, i dont even want to think about it lol

[alpine rune]

No

[primal musk]

Raikou is literally a sabertooth cat

Like why stretch

[surreal chasm]

Yeah that's awesome

[feral fiber]

i dont like raikou but its so hilarious why did they make this

[violet current]

i like the idea that paradox mons are not real and made purely from the imagination of ppl who use the machine

[feral bear]

Please give me the machine lol

[primal musk]

Why his neck get long

[feral bear]

Paradox machine privileges revoked

[surreal chasm]

I want the second dlc to come out already so they could finally confirm this

[feral bear]

Its already heavily implied and foreshadowed but yea it would be nice to finish the story

[violet current]

supposedly dlc2 will be expanding on the loose ends of the main story while wrapping up the kitakami story

[surreal chasm]

It is called "The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero"

[violet current]

but honestly i kinda dgaf abt the kitakami story, i mainly got the dlc for shiny hunting

[feral bear]

Kitakami is such an embarassment to me like why did they not just release it with dlc 2 as one single product

[surreal chasm]

To preserve relevance

[feral bear]

To even put the trios master in dlc 2, like what are rhey thinkinggg

[tender edge]

farts

[primal musk]

If anything I'd make raikou into something like a fuckin brontothere (prehistoric rhino, literally a thunderbeast)

[feral bear]

They dont need to do that its POKEMON they just want that holiday season money babyyy

[feral fiber]

its not that big a deal you just have to wait like 3 months imo

[tender edge]

they actually released the second part of the dlc to me specifically today

[surreal chasm]

Either way it costs 30 dollars

[feral bear]

Its not the waiting its the splitting up of content

[primal musk]

They did the same thing in swsh

[tender edge]

they are definitely splitting it up to make that cash dollar

[feral bear]

Yea and that was ridiculous then as well

Imagine delta episode was a separate dlc

[primal musk]

Dlc for Pokemon is just a terrible idea in general

[surreal chasm]

Is it just me or is Kitakami really boring to explore

[feral bear]

A whole new map for 3 quests

They just dont know how to handle this open world shit at alll

[surreal chasm]

Eh it was fine in the base game since there were a lot more points of interest

[violet current]

the swsh dlcs were better imo, and actually used their region to the fullest. both the sv dlcs arent even gonna be in paldea!

[tender edge]

maybe its just me (i have not played the dlc to be fair) but paldea to kitikami to "we're in unova but we're in a specific place so we're not in the unova experience guys" feels like its going every which way and very jarring and they have many ideas that they just are not implementing that great and also fuck the stupid dog and monkey pokemon their designs are so goofy ass at least hte bird has something going for it

[feral bear]

Yooo fuck that monkey i cant

[drowsy drift]

bad side effect of the dlc model is that the new legendaries they have to include are overpowered as shit

[feral bear]

They are such weak legendaries

[tender edge]

i was all for the creative direction theyve been taking in recent games but that monkey is so stupid and ugly dude looks like he should be in a show that exists in the bluey universe or something or other hes so ugly i hope he gets grinded up into paste and thrown into the trash because nobody would use the stupid monkey paste

[drowsy drift]

ogrepon is insane, urshifu was insane, calyrex was insane

[feral bear]

And peach pokemon isnt even in it with them!!! They literally didnt even get their trio master lmaoo

[violet current]

only the "box" legend tho, the rest have to suck

eleki is an exception

[surreal chasm]

Is it just me or did the new pokemon in the dlc feel a lot more scarce compared to swsh's dlc

[primal musk]

At least giving dlc privileges to the pokemon company is a terrible idea

Now if fromsoft rockstar or any other competent developers had access to an IP like pokemon you bet your ass they'd make a dlc you'd want to buy

[tender edge]

find out next time in dlc three!

[feral bear]

Honestly!!!

[violet current]

its crazy bc there were more new mons in teal mask than isle of armor

[tulip blaze]

why is the dlc 30 fucking dollars

[surreal chasm]

I feel like in the isle of armor and crown tundra all I was seeing was new returning pokemon but in Kitakami I kept encountering the same mons from the base game

[tender edge]

THIS IS WHATI WANNA KNOW

[primal musk]

Money

[violet current]

isle of armor introduced galarian slowbro and urshifu and thats it

[tulip blaze]

i would have played and bought it but for some reason its 30 damn dollars

like christ the base game is 60 come on cant it be like 10 or 5???

[primal musk]

The dlc is worth like 10 at max

[feral bear]

Like if ur gonna make me pay 30 bucks at least give me 1 cohesive story told all at once

[tender edge]

once i heard it was 30 United States Dollars god forbid we know how much it is in aud

[feral bear]

Make it seem like a lot of content, more than what i paid for even

[drowsy drift]

did kitakami include a new regional pokemon?

[tender edge]

does the 30 dollars come with the installation of blueberry fuck once that part of the dlc comes out

[primal musk]

30 bucks can give me 2 copies of hollow Knight

[violet current]

make the dlcs free updates and introduce a $5 mark charm dlc i saved pokemon

[surreal chasm]

Yeah

[tender edge]

ok thank god for that at least

[surreal chasm]

Trueee
Hollow Knight was peak gaming fr

[feral bear]

Honestly i dont mind the price its just the concept and slow burn to maximize cash money dollerzz

[violet current]

i do when you have to buy it twice for each version

[drowsy drift]

i forgot about sinistea extreme powercreep edition

[tulip blaze]

i think 30 dollars is kinda crazy

like i could just buy another game from steam and have more fun probs

[violet current]

if u get both copies of swsh, both copies of sv and the dlc for both you're paying $360

[tulip blaze]

rather than buying dlc for a pokemon game

[tender edge]

you know how they make this a good dlc? at the end of the story the president of the school tells you that now your true journey starts and the doors open (but its underwater so you need to travel) and youre taken to castelia city in a complete remake of pokemon bw but the stories have already happened and it happened years ago so you literally just do the gym battles and defeat the elite 4. theres no reference to team plasma or n though because they arent real. also you only get half the unovan dex

[tulip blaze]

i liked scarlet and violet i do think its pretty good compared to the other games

[primal musk]

Imagine pokemon goes the free to play route, we'd be paying 10.99 for each wild encounter 💀

[feral bear]

Like please just deliver a cohesive story with a set of mons, we dont need dlcs to have one off legendaries with a half ass concept

[tender edge]

30 dollars buys me a mcdonalds meal that while not forever i will savour much more than this fucking thing

[tulip blaze]

im sorry but
impossible dreams LOL

[violet current]

tbf most of the indigo disk is unovan mons

[drowsy drift]

incredible physique

[feral bear]

Like the audacity to call kitakami a whole new REGION to explore

[primal musk]

PokEAmon

[marble meadow]

speaking of things when is the next reveal for if

[tender edge]

no its real i work at gamefreak

[primal musk]

10-11 ish hours?

[violet current]

kitakami isnt even the size of a single pla map

[feral bear]

Tsareena reveal in 10 hrs

[tulip blaze]

[drowsy drift]

the lost paradox form of thwackey

[surreal chasm]

It was never referred to as a region. They always just called it a "land"

[feral bear]

Munkidori is just a worse zarude design wise, i hate monkey pokemon so much

It was referred to as a region in the first direct iirc

[primal musk]

Bro give smeargle an Evo and call it a mythical, turn the island into Mario sunshine

[drowsy drift]

https://twitter.com/tupacdurex/status/740382802592583680

s🎁x video (@tupacdurex)

i like to beat fucking monkey and kill tham

Twitter · Jun 8, 2016, 3:19 AM

[primal musk]

Better dlc idea than anything tpc can come up with

[violet current]

monkey pokemon peaked with the annihilape line. funny creatures

[surreal chasm]

You know your legendary design is bad when a middle stage starter looks cooler than it

[feral bear]

Ok yea i actually like annihilape

[marble meadow]

at least unlike swsh sv dlc story takes u back to area zero where in swsh u don’t go back to Galar to discovere something extra

[violet current]

both of the dlcs take place in parts of galar?

[feral bear]

Are we even going back to area zero at this point? Ill believe it when i see it!

[surreal chasm]

That's the name of the dlc

[marble meadow]

i think the 2nd one is based of scottland in swsh

[feral bear]

Yea but we didnt go back in kitakami, and all the stuff for blueberry seems to take place at the academy so idk

[violet current]

i honestly prefer expanding on the irl area that ur region is based on rather than hopping over to japan for the 5th time

[drowsy drift]

expansions should have expanded the open world - bring back dive or something

koraidon submarine, f it

[marble meadow]

colress agreed

also he my fav carackter

[primal musk]

Same

[violet current]

imagine if the sv dlcs took place in southern kalos or portugal

[feral bear]

Like for there to not even be a new ride pokemon in the dlc like

I trully cannot

OK im done now just needed to get all that off my chest lol

[drowsy drift]

the one we got barely works, i imagine they just didn't want to try making a new one or the game would explode

[primal musk]

Bro give me the styler lemme call suicune and dash across the ocean

[feral bear]

Yaknow?!?! Ughhh

[violet current]

its such a shame they fumbled sv so hard when they couldve just delayed it and given it some actual polish like pla

[marble meadow]

i just want my boy colress back

[violet current]

we could have a world without out of bounds shinies and 5fps water

[primal musk]

Hate that side games do Pokémon more justice and have better more immersive worlds than the main series

[drowsy drift]

the lack of polish is unfortunately only part of the problem. there are some fundamental design issues that wouldn't make it good even if it ran well

[feral bear]

It sucks because i really like sv as a conxept soooo much more than swsh but its like they took 90% of the fucked up changes from swsh and made them the standard going forward

[violet current]

i would be perfectly content if the game was polished. my only remaining complaints would be the lack of a 0iv bottle cap and the lack of scaling for gyms

[primal musk]

Fuckin colosseum is a goofy ass game and still does better worldbuilding than any mainline game that isn't gen 5

[violet current]

changed my mind halfway through typing. 0iv bottlecap too important to not mention

[drowsy drift]

nah bro when AZ shows up randomly at the end of X/Y to say something about 3000 years that comes out of nowhere and then the game ends that's good worldbuilding. good Lore.

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/miror-b-gif-19660101

[drowsy drift]

I love Lore. I love hearing about things I'll never see

[violet current]

it makes me so sad we never got z

[drowsy drift]

x/y make d/p look like acceptable products

[primal musk]

What's worse is that I can pardon lore dumps if there's also decent environmental storytelling but pokemon isn't fleshed out enough as a franchise to even understand what that is

[drowsy drift]

based and lilligant pilled

[feral bear]

She kute!!

[violet current]

with how much of an improvement usum and platinum were to what i would consider bad games, z couldve been the thing to make gen 6 not the objective worst

[feral bear]

Gen 6 being a trainwreck was divine punishment for making the jump to 3d which set in motion the events that led to the downfall of quality in the franchise as a whole

[sterile spoke]

SwSh is the objective worst, though. 😛

[primal musk]

USUM made the sumo storyline look better in comparison ngl, other than that it's got a hell of a lot of improvements

[drowsy drift]

peak character design

[primal musk]

ORAS were the real gen 6 games

[violet current]

how long has it been since you've played gen 6? id go back to swsh any day over it

[feral bear]

Oh absolutely not lol swsh must perish

[sterile spoke]

About seven or eight months. 🙂

[primal musk]

I gotta go back and find gunsley or whoever I made in a terrible Photoshop image

[sterile spoke]

SwSh has by far the worst story of any game. Chairman Rose's motivations are literally nonsensical. 😅

[feral bear]

I truly cannot abide swsh, i never had a passionate issue with a single pokemon game before that, i hated it ever sinxe i saw the sword dog

[feral bear]

Matter of fact, thank GOD pokemon essentials stops at gen 7 here, because i would be so over all the zacian campaigners

[drowsy drift]

makes me want to see a pumpkaboo-like style

[sterile spoke]

Team Yell don't do anything, interior battle backgrounds were removed and replaced with generic ones, the animations are atrocious (Zamazenta walking in place whilst turning), the layout of Galar is awful, there are literally locations called Galar Mine 1 and 2 rather than anything interesting, and the Wild Area is just an ugly mess that looks grey and depressing half the time. 😦

[violet current]

swsh never bothered me that much. i liked it ok and thought it felt like a 3ds game they shoveled onto switch in a rush. it's by far my least fav comp gen and not a game i like very much, but i think it has more to offer than xy ever did. it's carried hard by crown tundra and the new mons though

[primal musk]

Honestly it's the perfect game to represent the UK

Don't stab me I'm sorry

[feral bear]

Its just so ugly to me and breaks tradition on wayyy too many things, if gen 6 was a crack then gen 8 was the whole dam breaking

[sterile spoke]

It feels like a very early GameCube game, except it came out in 2019.

It looks worse than Battle Revolution, or even Colosseum and XD. 😢

[primal musk]

Battle revolution still looks good in comparison to scvi

Game holds up incredibly well

[violet current]

it feels abt the same quality as base sm to me

[primal musk]

Like I wish the pokemon company knew how to handle the switch hardware

[drowsy drift]

someone's gotta make a pokemon essentials for a game engine that isn't literally from 2005

pokemon essentials for godot? that's it bro. main series is finished

[violet current]

yeah if that was real itd be over in an instant

i quit planning a fangame when i realized what the toolbox looked like lol

[sterile spoke]

And the funny thing is, we're onto the next console soon. The gap in quality is only going to become more apparent. 😮

[feral bear]

Where do we even go from here like how do you top a gimmick that lets you change to any type

[sterile spoke]

Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild came out in 2017. SV came out five years later and looks awful. 😢

[primal musk]

God they knew what they were doing on the DS, they used almost every little bit of the console they could and now with the switch it's just "oh god the hardware can't handle this 144p texture, time to lag the game when there are two many npcs"

[drowsy drift]

to be fair open world games are a brand new concept that few people have done before so it's understandable that they struggled with it

[violet current]

breath of the wild is intentionally designed to cover up how underpowered the switch hardware is, thats why its 70% fog

[feral bear]

Lmaoo

[primal musk]

Assassin's creed looks better on switch

[drowsy drift]

and it looked amazing while doing it

[primal musk]

Than scvi does

[white meadow]

Salazzle would be good for fusions

[violet current]

pla looked great too!

[drowsy drift]

it looked okay

[violet current]

i think sv looking as awful as it does is due to the split dev teams tbh

[primal musk]

Pla has its rough spots but looks generally well stylized enough to mask it

[feral bear]

Salazzle is too much of a rule 2 liability lol

[white meadow]

Salazzle/Scolipede

[drowsy drift]

don't make me tap the sign

[marble meadow]

that’s game freak for ya designing sus Pokémon

[primal musk]

I feel bad for game freak man, tpc does NOT allocate resources for them to do their jobs in the timeframe they're given

I wonder what pokemon would look like if Iwata were still alive, and wonder what he'd say about Nintendo as a company now

[drowsy drift]

masters EX has voice acting, s/v don't. I think they really don't want to be making these games anymore

they'd rather develop stuff like Trumbo the Badass Elephant

[gusty shuttle]

They should prolongue the timeframe most importantly lol

[primal musk]

Masters has some banger remixes

[drowsy drift]

basically any developer besides gamefreak could pull off a better pokemon game right now and despite their open pleas to stop making them they still do so

[primal musk]

Bro palworld can do pokemon better than Pokemon and it's a shitpost game lmao

[violet current]

normally id be inclined to agree, but most of sv was made during the pandemic. i think it's a lot more nuanced than is worth debating abt at 4am

[primal musk]

Love my phone randomly capitalizing stuff

[sterile spoke]

We've gone a bit off-topic here, I reckon. 😛

[feral bear]

A wee bit lol

[drowsy drift]

it's the cops! run!

[primal musk]

Might as well be called General 2

[gusty shuttle]

Not the cops

I mean, the channel is New Pokémon discussion
They're discussing about that

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/sucreine-tsareena-amajo-kiawe-kaki-gif-18256339

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/avalugg-hisuian-avalugg-gif-10185836253269688413

[marble meadow]

this is funny fusion

[drowsy drift]

do those two have a chance?

[surreal chasm]

Sand today

[drowsy drift]

knights and ninjas are cool fusion fodder right?

[feral bear]

I absolutely need escavalier

[marble meadow]

maybe cuz I think escavalier has some nice potential

[drowsy drift]

well due to how they evolve you can't just have one lol

[feral bear]

It would prob be a level 40 evo in this or link cable

[marble meadow]

and the only weapon we have is the honegde line or did I forget someone

[feral bear]

We have dhelmise now which is technically a weapon i guess

[marble meadow]

also lances for fused mons would be cool

[gusty shuttle]

You use anchors as weapons?

[drowsy drift]

you don't?

[gusty shuttle]

In Elden Ring I guess

[feral bear]

Lolol

[drowsy drift]

escavalier/beedrill would be crazy

[gusty shuttle]

I want an armored beedrill

And I also want Pidove

[marble meadow]

Potential mega alt

[drowsy drift]

trying to think of what I'd want to see with accelgor

maybe politoed. I think that would look great and you could get a drizzle+STAB water shuriken setup

[sterile spoke]

Accelgor would be a prime ninja fusion candidate. 🙂

[cyan hare]

Hoping today is something non gen 7

[soft timber]

but everything from gen 7 is so good

[sterile spoke]

My understanding is that not all Bonus Blitz Pokémon are from Gen VII, there's just been a big coincidence. 🙂

[white meadow]

You guyys think we get a non gen 7 mon?

[white meadow]

oh okayy

[soft timber]

escavalier would be cool

any pokemon with props or easily changeable body parts has good potential

[left tartan]

Sirfetch’d when

[cold fog]

I just want a 'mon that brings in something unique. We don't need, for example, the Elemental Monkeys, since all they bring can be already gotten from the game right now.

[lofty spindle]

In fact some are, I'm gonna get Cassette Beasts for my birthday.

[left tartan]

Also want my boy toxicroak at some point

[lofty spindle]

So anyway Ribombee.

[soft timber]

we cant gen pokemon past gen 7

[fossil gull]

Not yet

[soft timber]

anyways here's sirfetch'd

[left tartan]

[fossil gull]

Anything can be used as a weapon if used correctly

[left tartan]

Cramorant fusions could be silly

[soft timber]

with enough force anything can be used as a crime tool

[left tartan]

Cramorant spitting out GOD

If only we could get starters past gen 4 but the devs said no didn’t they?

[fossil gull]

They did say no

[soft timber]

why?

[left tartan]

[mint grotto]

to many slots taken

[fossil gull]

Dunno I’m not the dev

[cold fog]

They did say no -FOR NOW- doesn't mean we'll never get them

[lofty spindle]

Or incorrectly, of course.

[left tartan]

Gave us an oshawott emote but no oshawott in game

[cold fog]

Toad said so. Check the pinned messages. Also said "We MIGHT add them in the future"

[left tartan]

The only one I want is samurott

And maybe greninja

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-mienshao-power-cute-run-gif-17553841

[fossil gull]

I just want pumpkaboo

[mint grotto]

the long boi on his way to pick oshawat next time starters are here

[left tartan]

We must settle for gardechan for now

Mienshao at home

[fossil gull]

Pumpkaboo is cute!

[mint grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-serperior-stoutland-gif-4746711

i just like my snek pokemon

[left tartan]

Poison serperior will be only a dream for now

They made the big dinosaur a poison type but not the snake

[left tartan]

Do one for porygon where it’s just a beach towel

[alpine rune]

See if i can finish a bingo by the end of the week

[left tartan]

Is that the fetus Pokémon, I forgot its name

[alpine rune]

musharna

[left tartan]

Ah

Yes the weird little gen 5 creature that farts some dust

[surreal chasm]

I think we're gonna get Torkoal

It just... makes sense.

[soft timber]

reasoning?

[white meadow]

I kinda hope so!

[left tartan]

What’s that one in the middle

[drowsy drift]

nice, hope you like it

[dry nest]

Bruh

[surreal chasm]

It just feels like the kind of pokemon to get added

[left tartan]

The elemental monkeys though, sleeper pick

[surreal chasm]

Classic mon, useful ability, single stage...

It just feels right

I was honestly suprised it's not in the game already

[left tartan]

I was surprised at a handful of absentees

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[left tartan]

No sawk and throh

[drowsy drift]

TORKOAL NO

[surreal chasm]

Torkoal also has this whole smoke thing going on that would be used in fusion designs plentifully

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksfilms-think-turtle-torkoal-thinking-pokemon-gif-27510188

[surreal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-reaction-good-gif-13088713

[white meadow]

Its a Tortoise

[left tartan]

He could spew a lot of things from the shell like lava, water, ectoplasm, milk, poison gas, muk gunk, garbage, swords

[drowsy drift]

that's like turtles

[white meadow]

Nope

[left tartan]

Only difference I know is their feet

[surreal chasm]

So uh yeah I predict Torkoal is to be revealed in the blitz

[left tartan]

But to me, turtles and tortoises are the same creature

[white meadow]

They have diffrent shells
Diffrent body types
Diffrent feet
Etc

They are related

[alpine rune]

if any snow warning mons ended up appearing in the blitz, its a win for me

[surreal chasm]

I also wanna say Slurpuff but that's just wishful thinking

[left tartan]

What if it’s, the squirrel

[drowsy drift]

Turtles are an order of reptiles known as Testudines, characterized by a special shell developed mainly from their ribs. Modern turtles are divided into two major groups, the Pleurodira (side necked turtles) and Cryptodira (hidden necked turtles), which differ in the way the head retracts. There are 360 living and recently extinct species of turtles, including land-dwelling tortoises and freshwater terrapins.

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/aurorus-ice-dinosaur-pokemon-anime-gone-crazy-gif-4961896139503910498

[lofty spindle]

I'd prefer it for its ability to turn normal-type moves into ice.

[white meadow]

Both abilitys are good

[surreal chasm]

As long as it's not abomasnow same

[left tartan]

I forgor this mon’s name but

[alpine rune]

if its pachirisu

[surreal chasm]

Greedant

[left tartan]

Next ice type will be vanillish

[alpine rune]

Im making world championship memes

[left tartan]

[sterile spoke]

Either way though, Aurorus has some pretty good abilities for fusion material, as well as a nice design. 🙂

[left tartan]

Heliolisk

[lofty spindle]

I really am sitting here wondering if Blaq is giving hints.

[mellow estuary]

Dammit who voted for toxapex

[drowsy drift]

it's not a vote pick

[left tartan]

Thought this was a democracy did you?

[sterile spoke]

I know no more than you do. 😅

If I did, I'd be upset that Ribombee probably isn't getting in. 😢

[left tartan]

I forget is that the bee hive one or the cutiefly one

[cold fog]

Aurorus would be great. Having both Refrigerate AND Snow Warning abilities available for the first time in this game from 1 Pokemon? Sign me up.

[left tartan]

Bee hive I mean honey

[sterile spoke]

Snow Warning is already in, but with Delibird. 😛

[primal musk]

So judging by the reverse psychology of the universe, that means Ribombee is definitely getting in, and I should leave immediately

I need sleep oh lord it's almost 5:30 in the morning

[left tartan]

3:25, October 3rd, my favorite bird is still absent

[mellow estuary]

Wait Is Abomasnow not in this game?

That's weird damn

[sterile spoke]

Why would you leave if Ribombee got in? 😮

[left tartan]

Staraptor my friend

[sterile spoke]

Cute bug, nice pastel palette, scarf fusions, and an extra Fairy-type. 🙂

[cold fog]

.... what. Since when Delibird got Snow Warning of all things?

[primal musk]

It is another bee movie reference waiting to happen and I don't need anything more from that movie to exist in this world

[left tartan]

So you don’t like jazz?

[sterile spoke]

We already have Beedrill, who's much more prime for Bee Movie references. 😅

[primal musk]

Ribombee is more anthropomorphic by design

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dance-cutiefly-gif-8195944

[sterile spoke]

Cutiefly is so cute! 🙂

[surreal chasm]

My top 10 most wanted pokemon right now are:

10. Hawlucha
11. Ribombee
12. Dragalge
13. Toxicroak
14. Ludicolo
15. Heatran
16. Gourgeist
17. Eelektross
18. Slurpuff
19. Palossand

The rest of the starters (Rowlet especially) are honorable mentions because they said they're not getting in
Oh and Salazzle is also a honorable mention. Would've been in my top 10 if it weren't for its rule 2 breaking potential~

[drowsy drift]

ribombee isn't even a bee

[sterile spoke]

Plus, as someone who very much enjoys tiny fusions, Cutiefly would be really fun. 😄

[surreal chasm]

What why did the numbers change

[left tartan]

Its a bee and a fly

[sterile spoke]

Discord is stupid with numbers now. 😂

[drowsy drift]

it looks like mr. mosquito

[left tartan]

There are no mosquito Pokémon

[alpine rune]

1. what

[sterile spoke]

It's a fly that has superficial similrities to a bee, actually. 😅

[primal musk]

Golisopod and necrozma are probably the only popular ones I want, other than those, eelektross, malamar, walrein, nihilego, and xurkitree are some of the ones I want

[surreal chasm]

Yeah it's classified as the bee fly pokemon

[cold fog]

Buzzwole is sorta a buff mosquito

[left tartan]

Oh yeah he exists doesn’t he

[primal musk]

It quite literally is

Oh and vikavolt is cool too I forgot about that one

[cold fog]

My most wanted right now would be Eelektross, Sallazzle (I like Corrosion ability), and Furfrou 😄

[primal musk]

I don't even remember the list of potential stuff we could get

[surreal chasm]

Malamar would be pretty sick

[left tartan]

I want excadrill

[drowsy drift]

why eelektross?

[primal musk]

Base electric type with levitate, cool design

[cold fog]

Mostly because its my Favorite Pokemon of all time.

[drowsy drift]

this combo gameplaywise would be crazy

[left tartan]

Excadrill fusions would go crazy

[drowsy drift]

I respect that. every pokemon really is someone's favorite

[left tartan]

My favorite dragon is already being added with noivern

[drowsy drift]

praying for you and the person whose favorite is vivilion are lucky this week

[marble meadow]

yeah contrary is a dope ability and only two mons has it

[primal musk]

Mine's Giratina so I'm happy either way

[left tartan]

I have most of the ones I like in the game already

[alpine rune]

My favorite of all time is already in the game

[primal musk]

Exactly why I want Malamar, aside from its design

[marble meadow]

me two I have many ghost type wich is my number 1 fav type 2 nd is dark

[primal musk]

Duskull fusions go so hard

[left tartan]

Still missing my favorite bird though

[drowsy drift]

like this thing would be an insane mixed attacker with their stats + access to superpower and STAB leaf storm with Contrary

[primal musk]

Staraptor is one of my favorite birds

[left tartan]

Staraptor is my favorite bird

[marble meadow]

close combat contrary

[primal musk]

I totally forgot it wasn't in here, I think it's probably my favorite as well but I think Skarmory is pretty up there

[primal musk]

Combine contrary with anything that gets baton pass and you have a natural born sweeper

[alpine rune]

Leaf storm contrary gang

[primal musk]

Just set up and take as many out before you die, pass it to the next absolute monster

[drowsy drift]

deoxys/malamar gets psycho boost

[left tartan]

Dedenne when tho fr

[primal musk]

Draco meteor contrary

[gusty shuttle]

Same

[primal musk]

Contrary v create sounds nuts if victini and malamar get in

[drowsy drift]

you can learn v-create with some fusions at the heart scale tutor

[primal musk]

Genuinely didn't know it was already in the game, screw victini then lmao

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-help-send-help-emergency-chicken-little-gif-3950544522201275615

[drowsy drift]

thinking small. dugtrio conkledurr holding two long digletts as the slabs

[lunar lintel]

do you guys think Frogman will continue to reveal only gen 7 mons

[sterile spoke]

No. 🙂

[trail hull]

He gonna reveal gen 8 mons

[brisk vessel]

Eterna-

[trail hull]

-tus

[marble meadow]

we do a bit of trolling

[drowsy drift]

alolan meowth

[alpine rune]

dracovish??? :D

[gusty shuttle]

Pidove

[drowsy drift]

dracovish is already a fusion

[gusty shuttle]

Gen 8 Pidove (?)

[trail hull]

Silly ,gen 8 pidove released in gen 9 , in gen 8 ice type magikarp released

[sterile spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-what-emote-gif-23702501

[drowsy drift]

all the bonus reveals so far have been gen 7. if today's is also gen 7 I'm going with Mudsdale. if it's not gen 7, abomasnow

[alpine rune]

Finally, Abomasnow enjoyer

What's with the hate on Abomasnow??

[drowsy drift]

I think it's fine. really just want it for a snow warning pokemon that isn't delibird

[sterile spoke]

I already said it's not Gen VII today. 😛

I don't actually know what it is, I've just been told that it's from an earlier generation. 😅

[drowsy drift]

hmmm

[sharp nebula]

its gen 5

[drowsy drift]

zebstrika let's go

[sharp nebula]

its psychic type

[brisk vessel]

If it's Munna I'm killing everyone and leaving

[sharp nebula]

it has 600 bst

[drowsy drift]

https://youtu.be/a3KBFFMMNuU ratio