pif-hoenn-discussion

[lusty oxide]

[exotic jewel]

Oricorio(PomPom)/Machamp

[lusty oxide]

[digital ferry]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1147729435408216064 It’s still a WIP

[exotic jewel]

[woeful nebula]

oh god

[lusty oxide]

I love buff cheerleader bird

[exotic jewel]

Yeeeesss

[digital ferry]

I do too ^^

[lusty oxide]

It is truly one of the fusions of all time

This is why i like the machamp line making Pokémon absurdly buff is funny

[digital ferry]

If I win the contest w/ it it becomes the Discord icon for a week

[lusty oxide]

Make this the server icon PLEASE

[digital ferry]

I would if I could ^^

[lusty oxide]

It would be hilarious

The big funny even

[digital ferry]

I’m just hoping that it wins more points from the judges than it loses

[lusty oxide]

Anyway where did everyone else go lol

[exotic jewel]

sry i sploded

[lusty oxide]

[exotic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/self-destruct-pokemon-gif-18234341

[digital ferry]

Clearly my Buff Cheerleader rendered everyone speechless

[lusty oxide]

Yeah

[digital ferry]

It’s the only explanation

[lusty oxide]

The only (logical) explanation

[digital ferry]

It definitely has nothing to do w/ the fact that this channel’s days are numbered

[lusty oxide]

Yeah unfortunately they are

[digital ferry]

Well it was fun while it lasted ^^

[exotic jewel]

Are all the fusion slots full, or...

[lusty oxide]

rip chat

[digital ferry]

14 left iirc

[lusty oxide]

The vote is closed…

[rough hound]

since our days are numbered, i wanna see all the sprites you guys made for these votes

[lusty oxide]

I made three one of which I don’t have access to rn

Here’s the two I have

[exotic jewel]

where resolution

[lusty oxide]

Im not gonna upscale them lol

Too much effort for a sprite that may never make it in
(Also I can’t do that from my phone)

[rain gust]

What do y'all think of the winners so far?
Personally,I'm glad the snorunt line won and sableye. I'm not a fan of the dinosaurs tho

[exotic jewel]

I like all of the winners besides Garbodor.

[lusty oxide]

Garbodor is a staff pick

[tame flax]

garbodor technically isnt a winner, hes a frog pick

[rain gust]

I like them just cause they're unique

[rain gust]

I thought oricorrio was the one that didn't take the spots?

[tame flax]

and tyrantrum is great you philistine

[lyric zephyr]

Most of the new additions that have been announce have been straight off my wishlist, so I’m not boutta complain bout Frogman wanting garbodor lol

[tame flax]

and scolipede and garbodor

[restive crest]

I've always found Sableye to be kinda meh, but tbh it's less of the pokemon themselves and the potential coolness for fusions

[rain gust]

So we still only used 6 slots?

[tame flax]

yes

[rain gust]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[lyric zephyr]

Part of me hopes for Farigiraf for space suit/spaceman fusions but i don’t see that happening. Poor Farigiraf isn’t well liked overall

[rough hound]

heres the bases i ended up making, fusions in a sec

[tame flax]

and hes also too far ahead

[fossil kelp]

Oh that’s why garbodor got in. I was gonna say I’m surprised it got in before goodra, golisopod or zangoose knowing how popular they are

[rain gust]

I hope lurantis makes it

[lyric zephyr]

Sableye had no weaknesses before Fairy type, and makes a good support pokemon was his thing

[tame flax]

Im hoping for slurpuff babey!

[forest timber]

My Trubbish talk worked

[lyric zephyr]

Night

[restive crest]

Ngl, pokemon is incredibly easy so I've never really cared about how "good" they are. I only care about how cool they look

[forest timber]

Same!

[rough hound]

based take

[lyric zephyr]

Easy if you stick purely to the story content maybe. I mostly battle other folks online since they started adding that to games. Whole different bag.

If you want a challenge I’d recommend it.

[fossil kelp]

It’s fun to make crazy builds tho

[restive crest]

Yeah, to each their own ofc. I just meant than when I called Sableye "meh", I meant from an aesthetic perspective

[lyric zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/sableye-pokemon-watermelon-cubone-pikachu-gif-26807758

I’m not boutta talk smack bout another goblin lol

[tame flax]

i wish we could have the bonk goblin

[restive crest]

I do my own kinda challenge for IF. After every gym badge I earn, I drop all my pokemon into the PC, unfuse them if a fusion is fully evolved, and then pull out the lowest lvl pokemon in my pc to grind up and take on the next gym

[lyric zephyr]

Ehhhhh, Tinkaton doesn’t feel like it’d add much to the game

[rough hound]

another gif to show to the omori fandom

[cinder oasis]

Tyrantrum on top

[tame flax]

it adds the power of bonk

[lyric zephyr]

I don’t even know what omori is

[restive crest]

And I only catch one pokemon in every zone, like a nuzlocke

[cinder oasis]

I love tinkaton but it can't be in the game so I won't debate it

[tame flax]

i mean theres not a point to debate whether or not anyone should be added since the polls over

[rough hound]

short version. a character everyone likes to bully is commonly associated with watermelons

[digital ferry]

Araquanid also works for this ^^

[lyric zephyr]

If I were to pick a pokemon to add that hasn’t already been confirmed… Probably Wimpod/Golisopod. Golisopod’s unique body shape could make some neat fusions, and his color scheme and armored look he has helps too

Also he’s the last really good Bug type we don’t have already

[restive crest]

Is there like a list or anything of all the pokemon that were in the vote? Tbh I've forgotten almost all of them at this point

And the google poll has been taken down

[tame flax]

everything up to gen 7 thats not in the game

[digital ferry]

Zangoose is popular?

[restive crest]

Oh was it everything? Hah I didn't even notice

[cinder oasis]

Yeah lol

[tame flax]

the starters got cut early for being too popular

[prisma willow]

Hm, would Sableye being fused with an Ice type make Jack Frost from Megami Tensei?

[lyric zephyr]

I hope Goodra gets in, love me a squishy dragon boi o3o

[digital ferry]

Except Clamperl and Comfee

[tame flax]

glalie

[lyric zephyr]

It certainly could

[cinder oasis]

Who in the hell is that

[restive crest]

Yeah I saw that, very thankful all the devs decided to do that. Most starters are overrated because of nostalgia (of which I am guilty too)

[prisma willow]

Hee hoo it is then

[novel sphinx]

Hee hoo !

[rough hound]

i got this

[digital ferry]

Huh, I haven't seen anyone talking about it

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/boomdacow-boomdanation-boomdacow-gaming-jack-frost-persona-gif-20695130

[lyric zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/smt-jack-frost-gif-24279015

[restive crest]

Plus I think adding too many 3 pokemon evolution lines in general would've been a shame. Since the only one that usually gets used is the last one in the line

[tame flax]

no one can stop the Hee horde

[fossil kelp]

P much. He didn’t get much advertisement because he didn’t need it. Same with tyrantrum. People advocated for him and then realized yeah he’s getting in. Seviper got more advertisement tho weirdly enough

[digital ferry]

I saw a ton of Tyrantrum tho

[cinder oasis]

Zangoose and Seviper are both very popular pokemon. So many people like Zangoose especially

[fossil kelp]

Ye at first

[tranquil dust]

staff picks already making sure that doesn't happen (staff picks have been insanely good btw)

[restive crest]

I agree, I've loved almost all the staff picks

[cinder oasis]

Garbodor is trash

[lyric zephyr]

Tyrantrum I feel was an obvious choice just because of how popular dinosaurs are and how few pokemon already make good dino fusions. Rampardos, Bastiodon and Feraligatr pretty much

[tranquil dust]

yes and I love it

[digital ferry]

T-tar too

[cinder oasis]

I don't like it

[lyric zephyr]

Tyranitar’s got more kaiju vibes and the fusions tend to reflect that imo

[restive crest]

Maybe on it's own I can see why people don't like literal trash. But I feel like it has amazing potential for fusions

[tranquil dust]

I'm not the biggest fan of the pokemon itself, but it has insane fusion potential imo

[restive crest]

Same as Stakataka

[novel sphinx]

Honestly really hyped by Froslass, it's by far one of the best i could have hoped for

[cinder oasis]

A bag of Trash has potential, yup. I can see it

[lyric zephyr]

Garbodor has prime fusion potential, I admit… Even though I well and truly despise the little heap, I also have to admit it’s the best pick for a “tanky” poison type so far.

[prisma willow]

Same as Liligant, as it's one of the few Pokemon that learns Quiver Dance naturally.

[tranquil dust]

oricorio also have proven themselves already; just look at all the new custom sprites

[cinder oasis]

I hate stakataka with every fiber in my body

[lyric zephyr]

Frog man and the others in the process have demonstrated good judgement and thorough thinking with every pick so far, I’m looking forwrard to seeing where it all goes from here

[novel sphinx]

I would like Tailow, but it's just cuz i'm a bird person xD

[lyric zephyr]

Wait we got a Rito in the chat? >.> We talking Great Sea Rito or Highlands Rito?

[novel sphinx]

Mountains>Sea

[tranquil dust]

huh

[lyric zephyr]

Highlands, gotcha

[restive crest]

They re-worked the fusion system to be more efficient which has allowed more pokemon to be added

[lyric zephyr]

The game engine can barely handle what we already have since every possible fusion is its own dex number, so these additions are gonna push it to the limit again

[novel sphinx]

Yeah, i always play with the "early game bird" in my team in every pokemon game, the flying type is really my favorite one

[tranquil dust]

so after the poll (plus more staff picks?) no more pokemon for a while or nah; because he hinted at adding new pokemon forms as essentially new pokemon, which would suggest the possibility of also adding more pokemon, so idk

[lyric zephyr]

Toucannon was the main one I used but Talonflame’s got A tier doubles game

[tranquil dust]

Talonflame is my favorite pokemon hehe, also was my first pokemon I got to level 100

[lyric zephyr]

As I understand it, the main consideration with new pokemon or forms is the fact that they require workarounds in the game’s core programming to make happen and Frogman is the sole developer last I heard. Bro’s only got so much time

[novel sphinx]

My favorite is Flygon, not flying type, but it has Fly in the name, and Levitate, so it works for me

[lyric zephyr]

Flygon’s an old favorite of mine as well

Took me years to realize he’s a dragonfly

[tranquil dust]

yeah I know, I'm just curious as to how much the workaround has changed the amount of pokemon technically possible, because he obviously found one

[lyric zephyr]

Would hafta ask him that question, I suppose.

[novel sphinx]

Sooo, in France it's 2AM, i go to school tomorrow... it's time to go to sleep lol
Gn !

[tranquil dust]

3 am for me lol gn

[lyric zephyr]

Night

[crude garden]

I think you mean today lol

[lyric zephyr]

It’s like 6 PM ish here so I got time. Shop closes in three hours so I’m just here in case someone wants the slightly-stale discount lol

[gentle ferry]

Well it's been fun yall. These are the sprites I made this month that I actually intend to perfect/add if Gastro makes it, but for now all we can do it wait and see what happens.

[novel sphinx]

Same difference lol

[lyric zephyr]

Quality work

[rough hound]

you made nothing but bangers

[gentle ferry]

Came a long way from this lmao

[lyric zephyr]

Brb, a van full of what looks like stoner teens just pulled in. Time to put on my salesman hat.

[crude garden]

Many of these are mine, and some definitely need refinement but I want to keep working on gooms, and maybe branch out to other mons! Hope my squishy child makes the cut. I literally took up an art form to support my boy.

[fossil kelp]

In comparison to muk and weezing?

[novel sphinx]

Lol, free money just walked in

Oh yeeeah, Goodra !

[tranquil dust]

if you want to you can add my fletchling/goomy (even though it's not as good a sprite as many in your goomaganda)

[crude garden]

Well I'll see, there's a couple spots I thought I could fit another goom, but it's pretty full

[rain gust]

That's fucking sick

[sand mica]

They made far more of the database dynamically loaded so it can handle more Pokémon at once without having to load massive amounts of data in advance. So instead of loading like 150 MB of Pokémon database data it loads like a few MB of database data, then generates the rest of the data as it is needed using an algorithm in real time.

[sand mica]

I wouldn't mind more Gastrodon sprites in advance.

[crude garden]

The, I covered up ote or, so now it's just vf Goomy or very fricken Goomy

[tranquil dust]

with some moving around there can be a couple more I think

[fossil kelp]

Emote this

NOW

[crude garden]

It's not mine to emote

[fossil kelp]

[crude garden]

He hangs out in there, in sure you can get his permission

[sand mica]

How come there's no Aurorus fusion sprites in #1050404143807873157?

[tranquil dust]

not yet announced, not as hyped as goom

[sand mica]

So far it seems like the voted Pokémon were a disastrous collection, but the staff picks are stuff I actually would want in the game.

[tranquil dust]

I think the voted pokemon so far were pretty good. As long as Skuntank and Zeraora don't get added, is all good

(the voted ones were forslass line, tyrantrum and sableye right?)

[loud depot]

Where's my zangoose squad

[fierce gale]

Eel

Vote eel for eel

[tranquil dust]

1. votes are closed
2. I like Eelektross, but reasons 3, 4, 5 and 6 are basically nothing

[fierce gale]

Oh

Woops

[fierce gale]

Also fair

[fossil kelp]

Eel would be cool but the main issue a lot of people have with it is the 2nd evolution

[upbeat swift]

Please please tell me yall voted for Spheal

[fierce gale]

The second evo is just a less cool eel but that isn't too bad

[tranquil dust]

ofc I did 🫡

[fierce gale]

Didn't bc spheal getting enough love and I want others to get in

But would have

[upbeat swift]

Poochyena then?

[fierce gale]

Oh I dont know if I voted that

[tranquil dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137892936915361942/1146150910347710506/Unbenannt.png

[upbeat swift]

@sharp sphinx I will be very sore if he doesnt make it

[fierce gale]

Would be v cool to get though

[sharp sphinx]

would rather rockruff

[tranquil dust]

bruh moment

[upbeat swift]

Why not both?

[sharp sphinx]

limited slots

[slate gazelle]

If nothing else, I hope for my boi

[upbeat swift]

Why crywhatever its name is?
CrygonJin?

[slate gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-pokemon-here-comes-the-boi-boi-pouic-gif-22554922

[fierce gale]

Tree, eel and drampa in A we like to see it

[upbeat swift]

Its 2 puppy's man

[tranquil dust]

epic snowflake as body, amazing teal/dark blue/black color palette with glowing blue eyes, only one slot

[sharp sphinx]

and one comes with 2-3 more doggos and 1 comes with 1

[fierce gale]

Cryogonal

[upbeat swift]

You can do that with any other Ice types thou? We just got Froslass and Glalie

[rough hound]

i feel like we shouldve gotten like a 24 hour warning before voting stopped or smth, but too late now

[upbeat swift]

gazuntite

[tranquil dust]

froslass is not a snowflake what

[sharp sphinx]

woulda been nice ye, especially for anybody confused on what news meant for slots stuff took up

[fierce gale]

Lol

[upbeat swift]

Glalie is thou

[tranquil dust]

fuck glalie

[sharp sphinx]

new mega stone

[upbeat swift]

Fuck borning snowflake

[tranquil dust]

don't you want Poochyena?

[upbeat swift]

Crygonna not vote for it

[fossil kelp]

The two fish in s tier….

[upbeat swift]

I want the puppys

[fierce gale]

Finion and other?

[tranquil dust]

Lumineon I agree is just my personal bias shining through; Lumineon is my favorite water type 😢

[tranquil dust]

he probably means Finneon and Lumineon

[upbeat swift]

I like the cute pokemons So im pulling hard for the puppys and Blue borb

[fierce gale]

I just want eel and giratina to make a black hole

[fossil kelp]

I was gonna say I can see the reasoning behind all the others in that tier and then fish

[fierce gale]

I like the araquanid love

[polar shoal]

floatzel needs to be in

[tranquil dust]

imagine water bubble Liquidation with high base atk o:

[fierce gale]

:○

[rough hound]

These four came to ask if yall voted for any of them

[tranquil dust]

Dragalge 3 and Gastrodon 2, yes

[final forge]

Croagunk and gastrodon yes

[rough hound]

im getting such mixed signals, idk about the chances of any of these 3

[tranquil dust]

I think Gastrodon has good chances, the other 2 I'm not soo sure about

[rough hound]

i dont want my sprites to go to waste 😭

[final forge]

They all look cool

[tranquil dust]

they could always be a staff pick

[rough hound]

and thats not even mentioning the custom bases i made

oh and lurantis, i always forget i made that one

[tranquil dust]

not croagunk throwing out gang signs

[rough hound]

hes gonna drop the hottest track this side of the kanto region fr

[glossy osprey]

I hope that sweet ah custom base doesn't go to waste

[oak ravine]

Rooting for Toxicroak, Aurorus, Escavalier, Clawitzer and Salazzle

[tranquil dust]

Rooting for Dragalge, Aurorus, Cryogonoal, Lumineon 🤡, Pangoro

[rough hound]

heres my 3s

[tranquil dust]

very based tbh

the only one I didn't give 3 out of these is Toxicroak iirc

[rough hound]

https://tenor.com/view/croagunk-gif-20843464

[brisk vessel]

I can respect that

[white meadow]

hello there fellow pokemon enjoyers (the only thing we all definitely have in common)

[tranquil dust]

I would also argue that we are all humans, but I'm not too sure

[silent acorn]

Hello stranger that discriminates rocks that dont like pokemon.

[white meadow]

you can NEVER be sure about that

[silent acorn]

I am not real I exist In your imagination

[white meadow]

I doubt I could ever imagine someone like you

[silent acorn]

I know I am too good to be true

[white meadow]

how are you so sure it wasn't an insult?

[silent acorn]

Because I choose to believe what I want

[white meadow]

I was just kidding anyway of course it's a compliment

[silent acorn]

Thank you kindly

[white meadow]

sometimes it feels like spreading the word about my two favorite pokemon to get in will be futile

if Marshadow isn't that popular, Sigilyph is definitely getting the boot

[lyric zephyr]

I’m back. The folks in the van bought just about everything in the bakery for some all-night party being thrown, so my job for today’s pretty much done.

[silent acorn]

Hey I did that for Sawsbuck but I supported it because I believe its a solid option, I actually gave sygiliph a high one

[white meadow]

that's good

I primarily want Sigilyph because unown fusions are some of my favorites visually in the entire game, but they have AWFUL stats

[marsh folio]

I'm rooting for Goomy line, Claydol line, Crustle line, Torkoal, Drampa, as well as
Minior, Meloetta, Wishiwashi, and Necrozma...
if they each take one slot. If any of them take up two or more slots we might experience some issues in which case

The Cacnea and Inkay lines would also be cool to see 👍

[silent acorn]

They do have godawful stats

[white meadow]

so I want sigilyph to have similar looking fusions with better stats

[silent acorn]

I support claydol, meloetta and necrozma everything else not so for me

[lyric zephyr]

Cacnea’s got potential for sure

I really adore Goodra so I’d love to see him

[silent acorn]

Cacturne has the scarecrow spines one

[marsh folio]

Tbh I'm really hoping that if we get another staff pick it's for the Goomy line

Just so we get another three slots because they are getting in regardless

[lyric zephyr]

Goomy line as staff pick probs wouldn’t go amiss

Idk if they like Goomy though

[silent acorn]

I am also hoping the same or the contest winners

1 or 2 slots is golden and good

[white meadow]

sigilyph and marshadow are also only 1 slot each

[brisk vessel]

Sigilyph is based
Marshadow not so much

[lyric zephyr]

Marshadow doesn’t really cover any aesthetic ground, unfortunately

Duskull’s line and Spiritomb kinda cover what he has going on fusion-wise

[silent acorn]

Sygylyph and cryogonal are two I defend because not only do they have unique textures for head fusions but their bodies allow ultra abstract fusions.

[brisk vessel]

So true

[marsh folio]

In my opinion Sigilyph doesn't provide anything others don't
It's just an unown evolution that Nintendo refused to say it is like Alomamola for Luvdisc

[oak ravine]

Agreed

[white meadow]

I'm vouching for Marshadow only because 1. it's my favorite pokemon ever and 2. it's the strongest pokemon ever, tied with mega heracross, to have Technician

[brisk vessel]

Scizor

[silent acorn]

Tell me one mon with nazca lines on it?

[white meadow]

right scizor sorry I forgot

[lyric zephyr]

Ehhhhhhh imo the strength of a pokemon to be added is a strictly tertiary concern

[silent acorn]

Unknown are Just letters, sigilyph is a ancient sentient bird

[brisk vessel]

I don't hate marshadow I just don't see what it can offer for fusions

[wraith gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sharpedo-shark-gif-23844050

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898046

[silent acorn]

People Who defend tend to being the palette, the fact is shadowy, some fighter spirit nonsense and finally weird shapes

[lyric zephyr]

Tirtouga’s line could have some potential, though admittedly we have a few turtles already. He at least brings a certain armored look

[wraith gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/sharpedo-pokemon-eat-you-died-pov-gif-27016557

[brisk vessel]

It's built like a Touhou Plushie what does weird shapes even mean

[silent acorn]

Carracosta has a badass stone armor on it, I support that one

[lyric zephyr]

Carracosta’s armor alone probably isn’t enough though

[brisk vessel]

Personally more of an Archeops fan but carracosta ain't bad

[silent acorn]

The touhou plushie for the body fusions but I havent seen how it can be better than hoopa

[tranquil dust]

not a big purugly fan, but just noticed meowth + glameow could make meowmeow which is funny

[silent acorn]

Not gonna lie thats hilarious

[lyric zephyr]

Fun fact: Togepi/Nosepass can go through all of its evolutions and never stop being named Togepass.

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah thats true

[brisk vessel]

Nidobat:

[marsh folio]

Unown is ancient letters and sigilyph is an ancient drawing that is huge and unexplainable

However I feel too much of it is shared aesthetically with Unown, Xatu, and hell for the body shape I think it would be really hard to make look appealing

[tranquil dust]

sigilyph is a weird pinata

[marsh folio]

Also the Pokedex describes it as bird like, but just an avianoid creature

[brisk vessel]

I got a Glock in my rari

[lyric zephyr]

Beartic could have some potential, doubt he’s getting in though

[silent acorn]

??? What are you talking about it shares stuff with unown unown has Black and White and thats it, Atleast Xatu does share colors and looks also like and ancient artifact

[lyric zephyr]

Hatenna’s line would be fun but again I doubt they’d get in. I just like the witchy aesthetic lol.

[silent acorn]

Sigilyph can be used to make weird totems, runes, demonic angels, world items, things of other cultures is ambiguos enough

[lyric zephyr]

Also Hattenna’s line would more pastels which I’m always down for

[rough hound]

These 3 are on their way to the staff pick auditions, wish them luck

[brisk vessel]

Hattenna line wasn't in the votes 🥹

[silent acorn]

You can easily replace lunatone, solrock, cryogonal, magearna, the regis and minior with sigilyph

[lyric zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/hatterene-pokemon-gif-25210946

[marsh folio]

Head fusions are going to look like unown head fusions just because they share one eyeball taking up a large portion of the head

The body is really hard to work with I feel like it's going to look really off and frankly bad with a lot of pokemon

I agree that it could be cool concept wise but I feel like for a majority of pokemon it can be fused with it would just not be good

[brisk vessel]

Unown fusions are literally just a bunch of eyes
I feel like sigilyph has more potential as a head since there's more to work off from besides "big'ol eye"

Also Sigilyph gets Magic Guard which is a super good ability 😁

[silent acorn]

Sigilyph has no actual face structures for head fusions it can work like Machines except tribal and for body fusions it can incorporate aspects of other mons

[lyric zephyr]

I lowkey do hope Croagunk gets in. He and Toxicroak have a unique brand of sass.

[unkempt stone]

Unown fusions are so easy to make good because It’s so simple, it’s really flexible as a result

[silent acorn]

Go into japeal and fuse sigilyph with anything

[rough hound]

Not to mention, me and all my fellow metalhead friends have claimed him as our mascot

[silent acorn]

Ill bring one

[marsh folio]

I would be happy to see croagunk but I think there are better options

[lyric zephyr]

The problem with Sigilyph is his aesthetic is simple, but it’s also specific. These two things together make it hard to work with him without REALLY stretching it in a majority of cases :<

[brisk vessel]

Croagunk is a solid pick

I think it's lips look weird af but I don't hate him

[silent acorn]

Look at this

Tell me this doesnt look like a tribal entity

[rough hound]

=(

[lyric zephyr]

. . . I’m sorry, but I kinda hate that

[brisk vessel]

Oh yeah the body pattern can be pretty cool too

[silent acorn]

@rough hound

[marsh folio]

If that is it's head for fusions I will absolutely not mind

[silent acorn]

This is the generator bot, but this is Just a taste of potential

[rough hound]

Thats horrific, but a bit of tinkering could make it really cool 👀

[lyric zephyr]

If you want tribal deities, the Tapu are better candidates when it is all said and done

[silent acorn]

Of course it is! Sigilyph isnt an googly eye monster! Its a sentient ítem

[rough hound]

Ah yes, 4 slots for an overall smaller color palette

[silent acorn]

4 slots for 4 mons sounds fair

[lyric zephyr]

Oricorio: ah yes, 4 slots for one body shape

[marsh folio]

Yeah but body wise they would look really similar

[silent acorn]

None of us pick that one, kiwi did

[brisk vessel]

Oricorio didn't take any slots because it was Kiwi's pick

[grand hull]

it doesnt even count towards the vote though

[brisk vessel]

If the Tapu's were also freebies I would be more than happy to include them

But 4 slots for functionally similar mons is a lot

[marsh folio]

I'd be happy to include almost any pokemon for a freebie

[kindred knot]

they are certainly not functionally the similar....

[lyric zephyr]

The shells of the tapu offer a lot of potential with body fusions and as head fusions the shells can be incorporated as armor-like pieces.

[brisk vessel]

I mean design wise

[kindred knot]

literally 4 different terrains

[rough hound]

No slots for 1 mon and the abilility to implement alternate forms into the game

[lyric zephyr]

They still take slots in the program and take up space, which is not a small concern.

[brisk vessel]

Again it's still 4 slots for fairly similar mons

If they were all vastly different like the Treasures of Ruin I would be happy to include them

[grand hull]

you cant change anything i dont see why youre mad

[lyric zephyr]

You are making a lot of assumptions about my frame of mind there. >_>

[brisk vessel]

Anyways voting is already over anyway so not like it matters

[silent acorn]

I Will agree body fusions on sigilyph are rough but you could be creative like

[outer matrix]

All 4 tapus resemble different animals when closed
(Tapu lele = snail)

[silent acorn]

Making this a sort of flying totem medusa

[marsh folio]

I really hope for Minior, Wishiwashi, and Necrozma if they were included to be worth one slot and they change sprites in battle

There is so much opportunity there

[grand hull]

you just seem very passive aggresive and like youre mad about it but ig its hard to tell cause its a message

[grand hull]

I LOVE MINIOR SO MUCH

[silent acorn]

You could say the same ones like Sawsbuck and gastrodon

Except these are cosmetic

[lyric zephyr]

I was literally just pointing out that “slots” doesn’t just refer to the votes where additions are concerned, since the game still has a limit as to what it can handle.

[marsh folio]

Those two are different because they are cosmetic and don't occur mid-battle. There also isn't a huge aesthetic change

[grand hull]

Miniors changes stats so not cosmetic same with wishiwashi (if theyre including form changes like with oricorio)

[silent acorn]

Yep cosmetic, thats why sawsbuck was a risk free option

[silent acorn]

Then minior is screwed, because that implies gameplay forms

[grand hull]

it would prob work like aegislash

[alpine rune]

Here's hoping for:

1. Spinda no 555'231
2. Spinda no 2'304'221
3. Spinda no 33'185'345
4. Spinda no 1'884
5. Spinda no 420
6. Spinda no 119'247
7. Spinda no 884'312
8. Spinda no 277'234'589
9. Spinda no 121
10. Spinda no 57'442'800
11. Spinda no 342'094'222
12. Spinda no 269'692
13. Spinda no 13
14. Spinda no 773'284

[lyric zephyr]

Oricorio’s addition means the game will support multiple gameplay forms though?

[alpine rune]

I think forms and abilities are different

[lyric zephyr]

Stance Change is also already in the game so it isn’t like mid-battle forme shifts aren’t compatible

[grand hull]

it would work like stance change is what im saying it wouldnt change forms but its changed form would probably have an alt sprite

[lyric zephyr]

Idk if alt sprites on the ability trigger would happen, iirc Aegislash doesn’t do that, but yeah functionally it works

I do wonder if Minior brings much aesthetically, but I guess that one isn’t for me to decide since space stuff can get wild

[marsh folio]

I just really want to see the sprites shift when that happens

Like both forms of Minior and Necrozma have soooo much aesthetic potential but leaving them as alts would suck since less people would see the alternative forms and having them take up more vote slots, nobody wants that

[grand hull]

someone made some sketches a while ago ill see if i can find them

heres some good ones

[brisk vessel]

I could kill y

[marsh folio]

Head fusions for both forms of Minior are insanely good. The body fusions admittedly are just an upgraded Voltorb and Electrode but I trust that they could do something really creative with the shell concept

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah those are pretty neat

[grand hull]

I really like this one

[alpine rune]

[lyric zephyr]

I wish Spheal could get in but something deep in my gut tells me that’s too much to hope for somehow

Idk why

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145372828959518750/1146126829019742359/251.251a.png

[marsh folio]

They should just give spheal the petilil treatment tbh

[grand hull]

heres a really nice sketch idea

this one too

[marsh folio]

Minior I think is my number two pick and my number one is already confirmed

[grand hull]

my #1 is diancie then drampa then minior

[brisk vessel]

Diancie is like my 7th or 8th

[lyric zephyr]

My top 3 are already confirmed lol. Tyrantrum, Scolipede and Sableye

[marsh folio]

Drampa is on my wishlist although Diancie doesn't place high for me with sableye being confirmed

[grand hull]

and then the rest i dont care for (i also really want goodra but its probably gonna get in)

[brisk vessel]

Why does it matter if sableye is in

[grand hull]

the only one i dont want in for sure is pidove and regis

[brisk vessel]

You can't make pretty pink princesses with sableye

[lyric zephyr]

I wouldn’t be too sure of that lol

[frozen oyster]

Sabeleye can be a beautiful little pink princess if it wants to :c

[grand hull]

or if we are talking body a cool rock crystal queen

[brisk vessel]

I can't combine Sableye and Gyarados into a princess mon can I?

[grand hull]

and you cant make diancies headpeice either

[lyric zephyr]

Nothing’s stopping your from making that sprite and putting it into your game folder

[marsh folio]

WHY DID I READ THAT AS PRINCESS MOM

[brisk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wont-believe-this-digs-digging-loop-gif-19998502

[grand hull]

thats just stupid though considering diancie is way stronger learns diamond rain and is a fairy type

[lyric zephyr]

Sounds like an opinion, hun

[brisk vessel]

Sableye is cool just not very strong without it's mega

[marsh folio]

Does Diancie have Prankster

[brisk vessel]

If you fuse them together then yes 😁

[alpine rune]

Here hoping meloetta comes in so i can play around with my ninjask. #priorities

[grand hull]

no but does sablye have diamond rain or clear body

[frozen oyster]

I remember when Mega Sableye had Punch Sabeleye. Drain Punch, Sucker Punch, Power up Punch, and Ice Punch

[grand hull]

or a 600 total base stat

[lyric zephyr]

Is Diancie a goblin? >.>

[brisk vessel]

Meloetta can finally learn Boomburst thanks to this game's move tutors 😁

Specs Speed Boost STAB Boomburst boutta go hard

[grand hull]

is sablye a princess

[lyric zephyr]

Can be if it wants to be

[alpine rune]

mfw 45 base SPA

[brisk vessel]

No which is why it's fine to add

[grand hull]

daincie can be a gremlin if it wants to be

[brisk vessel]

Reverse the fusion

[lyric zephyr]

Gremlin does not equal goblin 😐

[brisk vessel]

Put her head on the body of a ninjask 👍

[frozen oyster]

I just want my boy exploud to screaminate as Akantor, Shara Ishvalda, and Paborubarumu

[alpine rune]

Honestly I'm too lzy lol

[grand hull]

it can if it wants to its 2023 stop being wordiphobic

what if the word is trans meaning thats very rude of you to say

[frozen oyster]

Sableye is actually based on an Alien/Cryptid called the Hopkinsville Goblin isnt it?

[lyric zephyr]

Gremlins and goblins are literally different mythos. That’s like saying someone from Russia is German because they have superficial similarity.

[marsh folio]

I mean I like Diancie but I don't feel like it provides anything aesthetically which is my highest priority

There are other pretty pink pokemon and now sableye is there for gems

I won't mind it getting in but there are better options imo

[brisk vessel]

I can see Shara as a Head but Akantor has a vastly different build than what exploud could do

[frozen oyster]

Akantor more for the Head, probably something else like Heatran for the body

[grand hull]

#1 i said the wrong word #2 the 2nd thing was a joke

[brisk vessel]

Isn't Akantor very slender though

Or am I thinking of a different monster

[lyric zephyr]

I take my goblins (and my bread) seriously lol.

[grand hull]

just 1 mor question can sablye become this

[marsh folio]

How do you feel about bugbears

[frozen oyster]

Its got a bit of a wider frame I think

[lyric zephyr]

Aren’t bugbears an entirely different and more modern thing?

[brisk vessel]

Why can't we just agree that they are vastly different and thus can co exist

[frozen oyster]

oh this is a rad statue. I can definitely see Exploud at least somewhat in this

[brisk vessel]

Every point that was made during this argument just reinforces that Diancie and Sableye are completely different

[brisk vessel]

I don't see heatran body but the exploud is becoming more obvious

[grand hull]

not sablye

[frozen oyster]

Yeah, the Heatran was a bad example before I looked it up. Its been a hot minute since I last fought the big thing

[marsh folio]

They are somewhat recent like 1500s

They are a kind of hobgoblin which I should've asked first tbh

[grand hull]

im starting to like froslass a lot since it was in my sv team so im happy it got in and will prob use it a lot

[marsh folio]

My top three were

Garbodor
Minior
Crustle

[brisk vessel]

All of my top 3 are legendary/mythical tier 🥹

[lyric zephyr]

I’m always down for more bug types but I worry that Crustle will result in more Minecraft fusions ._.

[brisk vessel]

Golisopod:

[grand hull]

especially with porygon

[glossy osprey]

My top 3: Guzzlord, Drapion, Sharpedo

[brisk vessel]

Porygon/Crustle will just replace the shell with a block of Bedrock

[paper pasture]

Omg trashboy got in

[brisk vessel]

You're late

[alpine rune]

My top 3 were

1. Abomasnow
2. Golisopod
3. Lurantis

[paper pasture]

I haven't been on in a while

[paper pasture]

Let the gen 5 reps continue

[alpine rune]

Voting is over but oh well

[lyric zephyr]

Oh right, Druddigon exists! I’d enjoy his presence in game

[paper pasture]

I care not about the votes, the hearts of the people must be swayed

[alpine rune]

Now we just gotta convice the contest winners for the raffle

[frozen oyster]

Meant to say I can't wait to see what fusion these little guys will be. I think someone mentioned before Farfetched maybe with Oricorio

[grand hull]

My top picks:
Diancie
Drampa
Minior
Golisopod
Goodra
Toxapex
Shinotic

[paper pasture]

You were doing so well

[frozen oyster]

Drampa
Slurpuff
Diggersby
Exploud

Are the ones I'm after

[paper pasture]

Drampa and slurpuff

[brisk vessel]

My top picks:
Meloetta
Yveltal
Necrozma
Dhelmise
Cryogonal
Golisopod
Diancie
Archeops
Your mo-

[paper pasture]

Tbh exploud is cool too, I love my weirdos

[frozen oyster]

I have my fingers crossed they both get in since I'm now attached to this goober Drampuff

[paper pasture]

Omgggg

[grand hull]

Wdym

[brisk vessel]

Drampa is a cool guy

If he gets in I will turn him into Fatalis 👍

[frozen oyster]

Drampa Reshiram for White fatalis let's GOOOOOO

[paper pasture]

I'm sorry but toxapex and shiinotics hurt my children

[grand hull]

I’ve loved drampa since the anime when he was really sweet to the kids

[paper pasture]

Literally w toxa and corsola

[grand hull]

I like Shinotic cause of it pokedex and toxapex cause I got a shiny in ultra sun

[frozen oyster]

I love how absolutely massive Drampa is as well. Seems alot of folks don't realize it since the games did him dirty like alot of other mons

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-21258530

[sharp sphinx]

this'll make a cool base if yveltal does get in

[grand hull]

Tehe

[brisk vessel]

I'm pretty sure it's more that he's a long boi

[grand hull]

Not the steak

[brisk vessel]

Doom Bacon is my #2

[lyric zephyr]

Doesn’t help that he’s half curled up in his in game animations

[marsh folio]

Compare to trees

[sharp sphinx]

this too

[grand hull]

He said

[frozen oyster]

Maybe it's a realllllly big tree

[sharp sphinx]

on his way to burn down a bully's house

[frozen oyster]

Can't believe drampas signature attack is to dox someone

[grand hull]

Real

[frozen oyster]

No wait that'd be fused with rotom

[brisk vessel]

Its like what Fatalis did to that one kingdom

[grand hull]

Omg drampa and rotom should be a grandpas Facebook profile

[lyric zephyr]

That… Isn’t what doxxing is. Doxxing just means putting someone’s personal info and address out to the internet.

[frozen oyster]

That's why I corrected myself by saying it's a rotom fusion!

[marsh folio]

Cool stuff to bring to the table, but it's an Ultra Beast so by principle I say no

[lyric zephyr]

That bastiodon one makes me chuckle when I look at it for too long lol

[frozen oyster]

Dunno if these fusions would be GREAT but they were fun to draw

[frozen oyster]

The loudred airhorn mouth is a nice touch lmao

[glossy osprey]

lol ty

[cinder oasis]

For how much of a mid pokemon slurpuff is, it has amazing fusion potential damn

[frozen oyster]

precisely what I've been yelling!

[steady vigil]

So many good choices

[cinder oasis]

Most Pokémon that can be voted have a lot of potential

[frozen oyster]

I wonder if the Kimono Dancers will get updated with Oricorio Fusions on their team

in Ecruteak I think they were?

[marsh folio]

I think the only bad choices are the monkeys, wurmple line, scatterbug line, Luvdisc and Alomamola

[cinder oasis]

I really hope that they make that you can catch Snorunt in Kanto and not in the snow mountains

[neat hawk]

I don't think there's much love for them but I'd like heliolisk and salazzle to make it. Two lizard special attackers, can potentially get electric+fire typing with dry skin for water immunity.

[cinder oasis]

Stakataka, Bunnelby, delcatty, I think purugly was an option, these are pretty bad and there’s some more probably

[frozen oyster]

Bunnelby and Diggersby are absolutely adorable though :c

[marsh folio]

Stakataka would be interesting for building fusions

[cinder oasis]

That sounds boring as shit

[steady vigil]

They're all very well designed 🙂

[marsh folio]

A fusion that is literally a pokemon center would be hilarious

[frozen oyster]

plus, Diggersby gets Huge Power, and carved out a nice little set for itself, on top of bringing construction themes and being more of a rabbit like pokemon than Lopunny since usually theyre just waifusions

[cinder oasis]

True diggersby isn’t that bad, though the others I mentioned stink

[frozen oyster]

Delcatty just... Itd be nice if it got... Something? Literally anything? A boost to its stats? Moveset update? An Evolution?

Purugly on the other hand, is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY faster than people realize and Ive swept competitive teams with it hilariously. Its also got Defiant, Hone Claws, Hypnosis, Wake up slap, Play Rough, Slash and more

but thats a different beast than fusions

[cinder oasis]

It’s an obese ugly cat, so no thanks

[frozen oyster]

Yeah, its probably not the best fusion material as much as I love the thing

[marsh folio]

It has a signature ability that would be funny to put on a ghost type

[cinder oasis]

Normalize?

[marsh folio]

Yeah

[frozen oyster]

ah right Normalize DOES exist.

[cinder oasis]

Normalize is arguably one of the worst abilities ever created

[frozen oyster]

I love Normal types, and one of the reasons WHY is because they usually either have Brute Strength with Return or Hyper Voice or whatnot, or insanely diverse movepools that let them hit a wide range

[cinder oasis]

Normal type is meh

[crude garden]

Normal can be cool

[marsh folio]

Ive come to hate the ability after playing almost any ability because it's actually can be painful to play against

[cinder oasis]

Just swap into a ghost type

[marsh folio]

Fuse a Delcatty to a Mismagius that knows glare and skill swap and come back to me

[fossil kelp]

Normalize does more than just convert normal type moves, it boosts the normal type move by 70-80% as well rather than just 50%

[cinder oasis]

It makes every single move normal type. It’s one of the worst abilities in the game hands down

[fossil kelp]

That is hella wrong

[fossil kelp]

I’m not arguing that part

The being worst ability in the game

[frozen oyster]

The worst ability would probably be Slow Start or Defeatist

[cinder oasis]

I didn’t say it is the worst of all time I said it’s terrible

[marsh folio]

Again if you give normalize to a Mismagius it is the worst thing to exist

[cinder oasis]

What does that even do

[frozen oyster]

Forces the target to use Normal Type moves against a ghost

[cinder oasis]

He said to the mismagius

[marsh folio]

You start by using glare to prevent them from switching out

Then use skill swap to give the opponent normalize

They can't hit you and then you just use calm mind until you can sweep their entire party with shadow ball or dark pulse

[frozen oyster]

skillswap Normalize to the Enemy pokemon, all its moves are now normal, and Mismagius is a Ghost/Normal

[rough hound]

listen, im not saying normalize is good, but slap it on a mon that learns boomburst and youre gonna DEMOLISH whatevers in front of you

[frozen oyster]

Glare is a non electric type Paralizing Move isnt it...?

[marsh folio]

Orrrr mean look my bad

Mean look not glare I did a goof

[fossil kelp]

I think the 70%-80% stab applies to any move it converts

[frozen oyster]

Normalize also effects moves that are already Normal type

[rough hound]

boomburst is a base 140 move regardless

[cinder oasis]

Delcatty doesn’t even learn mean look

[marsh folio]

Mismagius does

Or misdreavus, rather

[cinder oasis]

In doubles?

How do you give the opponent Normalize?

[frozen oyster]

Skillswap.

[marsh folio]

It's a move

[cinder oasis]

But misdreavus doesn’t have normalize

[frozen oyster]

Skillswap is a move that swaps the target and users abilities. Incredibly funny.

Delcatty Mismagius Fusion.

[cinder oasis]

In infinite fusion?

[frozen oyster]

I think Startree means if Delcatty gets in. Im just explainin what the strat is

[marsh folio]

^

[cinder oasis]

Huge power Slaking is better

[fossil kelp]

[lunar mica]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[frozen oyster]

I mean by that logic, just use 6 Huge Power Slakings and faceroll the game.

People are just wantin to see the mons they like get in

[marsh folio]

Yeah but let's be honest if a huge power slaking fought a normalize Mismagius Mismagius would win

[fossil kelp]

A thick club huge power marowak has higher atk anyways

[marsh folio]

I'm playing devil's advocate here that Delcatty actually could provide something in IF which is the power of cheeeeeese

[frozen oyster]

Provided Mismagius went First

[cinder oasis]

Ai doesn’t swap out so ig this strat could work

[fossil kelp]

Depends. Blue will swap out

[cinder oasis]

Also when you have skill swap, mean look and calm mind for example that’s 3 slots, leaving one attacking move

[fossil kelp]

Welcome to stallers. Or builds like that one at least

[cinder oasis]

This strat seems annoying but boring

[fossil kelp]

Welcome to stallers

[marsh folio]

Dark pulse hits most things for neutral damage

[fossil kelp]

[marsh folio]

And 4x special attack Mismagius is going to sweep regardless

[cinder oasis]

Womp womp

[fossil kelp]

At least it’s not a wailord strat. That shit is awful

[frozen oyster]

which ones that

[cinder oasis]

Lvl 1 Cottonee focus sash, Leech seed

[frozen oyster]

god, FEAR mons are always there to remind you your not invincible

[fossil kelp]

Iirc, it’s block, substitute, protect, and aqua ring. I shit you not it exists purely to drain your move points with pressure

[frozen oyster]

If Hariyama got in the game I could run my old Doubles lane. Role Play Hariyama with a Contrary Shuckle. Shuckle Guard splits with Hariyama first turn while Hariyama uses Role Play, gets Contrary from Schuckle. Suddenly its using STAB Close Combat thats raising its already asininely high defense and HP stats even higher

[frozen oyster]

oh thats just purely annoying. you ever see the Slowpoke with Recycle and Fling to prevent you OR your opponent from ever winning the game?

[marsh folio]

I hate endeavor sturdy shell bell sets

[frozen oyster]

it had Leppa berry it would force feed your mon with Fling to keep it from struggling to death. It was a horrendous little cretin.

at one point, Articuno got Mind reader and Sheer Cold. a friend of mine ran it purely defensive and threw a shell bell on it and just... one shot everything

[marsh folio]

You fine with S/V DLC spoilers?

[frozen oyster]

Im fine with em, you can put Spoiler lines on em if youre worried though!

[marsh folio]

||the new Ursaluna form is so fucking broken that it's actually funny||

[frozen oyster]

||oh that thing yeah, it looks like Freddy fazbear lmao||

[marsh folio]

||it has a ground type gigaton hammer and it's accuracy can't be lowered||

[cinder oasis]

I literally just got a shiny Ursaring in Legends arceus lol

[frozen oyster]

That reminds me, I wanna see Slurpuff/Ursaring

[cinder oasis]

Gummy bear

[frozen oyster]

Gummy Bear, probably yellow/honey colored

whoop meant to reply to you

[frozen oyster]

hmmm, either that or somethin involving with sticky paws or bear claws

Been trying to doodle a lilgsnt slurpuff fusion based on a Swedish princess cake but I've redone the pose like 4 times now

Frosting hair and flower like the garnish, and instead of a mouth I was trying to put a pattern on the base of the neck, and a small dot where the tongue would be representing a Mole instead. Cake base and little cake stand feet

[crude garden]

Technically that's marzipan not frosting, the frosting is inside

[exotic jewel]

k cool

[frozen oyster]

Oh I wasn't aware of that! That's actually good to know!

[crude garden]

Princess tortes are as beautiful in profile as they are before they're cut, maybe that could help your inspiration?

[exotic jewel]

so slurpuff's fusions are all just gonna be pastries, then?

neat

[frozen oyster]

Yeah! Much appreciated! Can definitely work the colors into the body or a pattern on its lower half!

[frozen oyster]

Candy, frosting, pastries, just about anything food related since it would have a monopoly on that niche really. Can also do other things besides that since slurpuff also resembles a dog

[crude garden]

Of course! Can't wait to see the finished product

Well, there are milk fusions lol

[exotic jewel]

Slurpuff/Mr. Mime should be a pastry chef.

[frozen oyster]

There's a whole episode about that from way back actually lmao. It'd be perfect

[exotic jewel]

Yes!

[brisk vessel]

||5 turns in trick room 2||

[odd flicker]

Slurpuff and Kartana are my ride or dies now.

[frozen oyster]

Sad the voting is closed

[marsh lily]

Really?

[alpine rune]

It's already closed yes

and soon this channel

[marsh lily]

AT LAST.

We will all be free from agony and violence.

[sharp sphinx]

||when was the move said to be ground type||

[slate gazelle]

I never want to go back to #general

This place is 20 times better

[lone dome]

Wait, voting is done?

[high haven]

Guess so

I have finished a fusion I am happy with

[lone dome]

Well at least I wrote down what I voted

Oooooo

[raw bison]

Yeah the poll closed right around the time the new demo released

[lone dome]

Man, I'm gonna miss seeing all the propaganda and banter this channel has

[high haven]

Ain't gonna stop us, definitely ain't gonna stop me.

[lethal roost]

the banter will never cease

[lone dome]

Maybe they could make some side polls

[woeful nebula]

bro the votes are over

nvm i didnt read

ahahahahaha

[lone dome]

I thought about making a Lurantis propaganda image, but never got around to it.

Was also really into making sprites for the line, currently taking a bit of a break

[lone dome]

I'm gonna miss seeing these get posted every day.

[white meadow]

I continue Posting them for you😂

[white meadow]

Do it i wanna see how it looks

[raw bison]

We can still cheer and scream and holler for each new reveal here. Every reveal that's neither altaria nor aurorus is going to have my base blood pressure increasing

[prisma willow]

I'm praying for Liligant; out of all my picks that haven't gotten in yet, that's the one I want the most.

[sturdy breach]

I just really want Goodra, there's others but this is the one I really care about 🙂

[fair jewel]

In the end, when the Dynamic fusion system is fully tested and ready to roll out, we'll get more mons than just 20 in the future since we will no longer be limited by RPGmaker's limits

[lethal roost]

freed from species.dat hell

[prisma willow]

A super cute plant noble lady with good moves, decent stats, and the potential for some busted fusions.

[fair jewel]

I'm guessing the currently announced new mons are just going to be added into the current version of the game without the Dynamic fusion system, since such a system will likely require extensive testing

[prisma willow]

Not to mention the looks of the two fusions in its line. Smol onion and a cute ballgown

[fair jewel]

i am curious how they'll handle custom Pokedex entries though

Will they have like a notepad somewhere with all custom Pokedex entries?

And before someone misunderstands what i mean, i don't mean the "Head half of Pokedex entry + body 2nd half of Pokedex entry" that is the default for almost all fusions

[white meadow]

Why can't they work like others?

[lethal roost]

i guess so, adding a special case for the triples right?

since they're already a special case in the first place

[prisma willow]

I have a large disdain for 3 stage evolution lines for which people are not going to make nearly as many sprites for the middle stage as they will for the first and third stages.

[fair jewel]

Each fusion sprite isn't stored in a database. If they wanted to dynamically fuse a mon, they could record the slot currently occupied by the fusion as xxx + xxx, and then search through the folders for the respective sprite. The only recorded thing would be the save file and what occupies each slot.
If we use the current dynamic dex entry system, there's no problem as we only need to use 420+ database slots to record each base Pokedex entry, then splice them together
But if we need to use custom dex entries, are they stored in a notepad?

[lethal roost]

Fletchinder moment

[raw bison]

Middle child syndrome strikes again

[white meadow]

Oh got it! Yes they should be stored in a notepad I guess

[prisma willow]

And Goodra will have that problem.

[lethal roost]

anyway if you don't like middle children vote gogoat, trevenant, aurorus, lycanroc, dragalge, golisopod, noivern, slurpuff, drapion, toxicroak-
[My lawyers inform me that I should stop before listing off every 2-stage line]

[white meadow]

I mean that's what they say when they answer to why we can't have custom dex entries

[frank oxide]

example: goodra and walrein lines

[fair jewel]

Oh wait, they're not implementing it? I thought they already did

[lethal roost]

also while we're at it can we change some of the entries that don't actually work because one of the parts is too long 🤔

[fair jewel]

If they didn't, that would certainly take alot of workload off their shoulders

[frank oxide]

not an example: the glalie line

[prisma willow]

Examples of new three stage lines that won't have that problem are the Scolipede line and the Leavenny lines.

[fair jewel]

I haven't playtested the dynamic fusion client yet, but how does browsing the Pokedex feel like atm?
I had theorized with such a system, trying to browse a Pokedex constantly dynamically generating entries would be very... burdensome

[frank oxide]

just do the 1 and 2 lines: dhelmise,yveltal,clawitzer,seviper,noivern

[fair jewel]

Oh wait, i should ask in the playtest channel, nvm

[frank oxide]

and the glalie line but its already in

[lethal roost]

i mean clawitzer would've been the next mon if i'd continued rattling off the 2-lines on my tierlist lmao

[prisma willow]

Sewaddle is a cozy, wrapped up in blankets mood.

[frank oxide]

true

[prisma willow]

I mean, technically it's a split evolution

[raw bison]

But thinking about it...yeah, in a standard game of pokemon three stage lines feel a little more "complete" what with being the established maximum, and having a transitional stage let's you have a little feeling of progress before hitting the capstone, but when it comes to making fusions...people tend to prefer looking at the start or the end of the lines

[lethal roost]

like nothing I really want is a 3-stage outside of vikavolt and florges i think its just more my preferences for mons that does that though

i know for a fact Eelektrik won't get anything if Eelektross gets in, sad as it is

[prisma willow]

This is true. Having three evolutions makes the line feel complete yet it causes middle child syndrome for the spriters.

[lethal roost]

hell tynamo might not

[frank oxide]

fr ? sidnt know

[lethal roost]

yeah it's Snorunt to Glalie or Froslass

[frank oxide]

DHELMISE GANG YEEE

[raw bison]

Even middle stages that have really striking and arguably better designs than their final stages get left out because why would you not use the evolved stage, right?

[lethal roost]

had my chikorita/ponyta evolve into bayleef/ponyta and it became an autogen and i cried a bit

[prisma willow]

The vikivolt line most likely wouldn't due to charbug having a unique body shape with it being a square battery.

[raw bison]

Gonna have to start a team where people pick their favorite Middle stage mons and just try to complete the dex for em. Dibs on Grovyle, that's my boy

[frank oxide]

i really dont want amonguss in

[lethal roost]

yeah charjabug and floette both kind of have potential (especially if Floette gets to use its Eternal Flower coloring on things)

[frank oxide]

just because of its fusions with deoxys and porygonz,well,mainly

[lethal roost]

honestly the real reason i want the florges line is just that im a nerd and want E-Floette references in everything

[frank oxide]

i want dhelmise for the pirates

[prisma willow]

The middle stage has to look unique and be good looking to avoid middle child syndrome.

[lethal roost]

oooooooof
(bottom 12 mons by total progress)

all of them are mid evos except for anorith and magby
and i think thats just people not liking magby or magmar

[prisma willow]

Whirlepede is a speedy wheel, Charbug is cube.

[lethal roost]

yeah whirlipede has enough potential to escape the bottom

[prisma willow]

Contemplate the Cube

[lethal roost]

oh anorith being down there is because armaldo is also down there

[raw bison]

You could say he's wheely unique

[lethal roost]

maybe I should become an Armaldo stan spriter until he's complete

[prisma willow]

the cube

[lethal roost]

speeding to the top of the list?

[frank oxide]

i still love how we got around 9 extra pokemons

[sturdy breach]

Then again, how do the final evolutions and first stages of those line look when it comes to completion?

[frank oxide]

so we're gonna have 29 mons

[prisma willow]

Vikavolt is a flying rail gun that starts out as a tiny grub

[frank oxide]

imagine clawitzer/vikavolt

literally just a railgun

[prisma willow]

Vikaitzer uses DELETE.

[frank oxide]

ye

[prisma willow]

Vikavolt has a f-off special attack, but is slow

[frank oxide]

vikaiter uses small electric shock (railgun)

[prisma willow]

145

[frank oxide]

holy

ye if we combine him with slaking we're gonna have a beast

i mean fuse

[prisma willow]

That's higher than Magnezone! The only non-legendaries and non-megas that have a higher special attack are Chandelure and Sword form Aegislash!

[raw bison]

Oh, huh, never knew that about his stats. Come to think of it, I should look at some of the mons on the poll that I've not been much into because now I'm curious what I might like to slap him on, and what type or ability he'd bring to the table as a head mon

[prisma willow]

And it has levitate.

[raw bison]

Huh, yeah. Slap him on Salazzle and you've got a real speedy monster on your hands, bug/fire instead of poison/electric with levitate though

[lethal roost]

he's slow but there's a move to fix that

[prisma willow]

What it needs is to be fused with a pokemon that knows Miracle Eye, Mind Reader, or Lock On. Because Zap Cannon.

[raw bison]

Or No Guard

[prisma willow]

Which means Doublade or Machamp if you're going that route

[raw bison]

You definitely want to pair it with a speedy and still special-attack capable mon so it doesn't get averaged down too hard

[lethal roost]

Golurk gets No Guard as the Ability, but you'd need Trick Room

[raw bison]

I think uh what's the big guy, yeah Golurk

Yeah Golurk would be the smart pick for a trick room zap canon set

[lethal roost]

oh... yeah you're kind of SOL for Sp.A No Guard mons (ignore Mega Pidgeot)

for some ungodly reason Machamp has more SpA

[raw bison]

Yeah looks very much like it's an ability they reserve for slow heavy hitters

[lethal roost]

obviously they just need to add Aurumoth to IF

[prisma willow]

Ninjask knows Mind Reader and gets speed boost

[lethal roost]

Ninjask kinda tanks the SpA too

[prisma willow]

But speed boost

[lethal roost]

Blaziken and Yanmega get Speed Boost as HA and don't tank the SpA as badly

[raw bison]

And then you're rocking bug/flying which is not the kind of typing that's gonna last long enough for speed boost to kick in

[lethal roost]

as would Sharpedo

[prisma willow]

Sadness

[lethal roost]

nothing else with Speed Boost gets the sure-hit moves either, just ninjask

[prisma willow]

Head determines the specials and speed right?

[lethal roost]

like basically these are your speed boost

[lethal roost]

specials and HP

[prisma willow]

Hmm... Scolipede...

[lethal roost]

scolipede tanks the SpA

[prisma willow]

Can someone run the calcs? What's the formula again?

[lethal roost]

i'd probably do Blaziken, Bug/Fire isn't a terrible typing and it gets some interesting options

or Bug/Fighting idk if Blaziken always passes Fire like the kanto starters do

[prisma willow]

All starters pass their primary typing

[lethal roost]

mmmmmmm flamethrower tbolt coverage

[raw bison]

Only for the Kanto ones, I'm pretty sure, but I'd have to check in game

[white meadow]

What you wanna know?

[lethal roost]

oh shit it is bug/fighting forgot I had this image on hand

yeah blaziken passes on either type. lame.

[prisma willow]

Fusing with Blaziken would drop its special attack to 133.

[lethal roost]

the only other one i'd maybe play around with is Vikavolt/Sharpedo (Bug/Dark)

[white meadow]

You want a speedboost Raikou?

[lethal roost]

yanmega sucks slightly less than ninjask does in this scenario but you'd still end up bug/flying

[lethal roost]

no i was just checking if blaziken passed on fighting. we're doing speed boost vikavolt

[raw bison]

Tryna find other abilities that improve accuracy and compound eyes might have some decent candidates, but Victini (if added) has Victory Star which functions similarly

[white meadow]

Oh yeah body blaziken is Fighting

[lethal roost]

victory star is an admittedly funny ability I never considered

[prisma willow]

And any head fusion, which determines it's special, would lose out on it's electric typing so no STAB Zap Cannon

[lethal roost]

...Galvantula?

compoundeyes stab zap cannon still.

[prisma willow]

Crap, Vikavolt falls to the curse of the better typing having the worse stats.

[lethal roost]

i cannot believe "fuse the bug/electric with the other bug/electric" is the best option here but here we are

[prisma willow]

Magnezone maybe? It learns lock on and has the big defense and would only drop the special attack to 140

[lethal roost]

pretty good, but you'd probably still have to Trick Room (i believe its speed would be in the 50s)

...Analytic.

vikavolt/magnezone with analytic to take advantage of its shitass speed

[prisma willow]

Oh God. Enter the Vikazone where its only moves are Take Aim and DELETE

[lethal roost]

Lock-On/Bug Buzz/Zap Cannon/[Flash Cannon?]

[prisma willow]

one fear

That, is a busted fusion that even gods fear

[stiff island]

Do we know how many staff picks there are?

[sterile spoke]

I mean, we thought it'd just be the Scolipede line, so there are some bonus ones even the staff don't know about. 😂

[raw bison]

Thinking about Vikavolts mandibles on Galvantula is giving me Thoughts about Bugs and reminding me why I haven't moved out of the coldass mountains

[lethal roost]

Alternatively drop Zap Cannon and replace Lock-On with something else
[Electric STAB]/Bug Buzz/[Flash Cannon?]/???

[stiff island]

Oop, fair enough!

[sterile spoke]

What do we all think of the three new Pokémon? 🙂

[stiff island]

Are staff pics still restricticted to gens 1-7?

[sterile spoke]

Everything had that restriction. 😛

[lethal roost]

I guess Energy Ball or Agility as the last slot there

[sterile spoke]

Otherwise I'd have ensured Appletun was in. 😅

[stiff island]

You mean the three staff pokemon? Because there's more than three that've been added

[lethal roost]

Oricorio banger, and I do want to see what people do with Trubbish and Garbodor

[sterile spoke]

The three that were just announced. 😂

[stiff island]

Yeah honestly it's such a weird rule, so many good mons in gens 8-9

[brisk vessel]

Garbodorsweep

[sterile spoke]

I actually think Trubbish and Garbodor have fantastic potential, especially if Garbodor fusions tie in some details from the G-Max. 😄

[lethal roost]

if by "so many" you mean "just the treasures of ruin and eternatus" then yes 👍

[raw bison]

You're counting Oricorio as one, gotcha, I was confusedly refreshing the announcements channel there for a sec

[stiff island]

Ohhh I see. Oricorio, Trubbish, and Garbodor. Great picks honestly. They all have excellent fusion potential

[sterile spoke]

It's not weird, there's a very practical reason for it. To add them, Frogman would have to code everything either from scratch, or using a resource pack he didn't personally make and know the inner workings of. 😅

[stiff island]

Just made this today :3

[lethal roost]

damn, no chien-pao

[sterile spoke]

Meaning that glitch fixes would (assumedly) be more difficult. 😂

[sterile spoke]

I thought this was Kakuna for a second.

[stiff island]

The plan was never to add every pokemon though was it? I thought it was always gonna be a smaller selection

[sterile spoke]

That doesn't change the fact that the Pokémon after Gen VII would have to be coded manually. 😛

It doesn't matter if you add one or all of them. 😂

[stiff island]

Perhaps I don't understand what that means then.

Every pokemon pre gen 8 is already coded in??

[slate gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-pokemon-here-comes-the-boi-boi-pouic-gif-22554922

[lethal roost]

yes, every mon from gens 1 to 7 are in the essentials version we have, they're just unavailable

[stiff island]

I see

[lethal roost]

afterwards it gets complicated and they'd have to be added individually

[slate gazelle]

If he gets in I’m going to be so happy

[stiff island]

I just hope charjabug gets in 🥺

Honestly I think Oricorio is the best mon introduced so far. So much potential with the dance motif

[sterile spoke]

I don't think a regional bug will get in.

[stiff island]

But ;-;

[lethal roost]

it should be vivillon just for all the color options

[sterile spoke]

Fun colours, trash competitively. If only it were Bug/Fairy. 😢

[lethal roost]

but he

[sterile spoke]

Scolipede's the best one and wasn't voted in. 😂

[lethal roost]

idk theres like 3 regional bugs in unova i think its technically scolipede

[sterile spoke]

And filled the Poison-type gap. 🙂

[sterile spoke]

Sewaddle and Venipede both count, there's not a third. 😛

[stiff island]

But he's cool! I even own a plush of him ;-;

[sterile spoke]

I own this same plush, but still. 😂

[slate gazelle]

The other guy I really want is Zebstrika, sadly I don’t think many other people share my love for the lightning zebra though

[lethal roost]

i mean i was thinking "whichever of karrablast and shelmet is in your game" but then i realized they're not really regional either

[sterile spoke]

You and I can make them share our love for the lightning zebra. By force.

[stiff island]

Honestly I'm satisfied as long as tsareena gets in

[lethal roost]

here's to hoping for more room for more horse

[stiff island]

I also really love ribombee

[lethal roost]

yeah ribombee's pretty solid

[stiff island]

Cute little fairy

[lethal roost]

it's just that there's so many things I'd want before it

[stiff island]

I wonder how they'll code pollen puff

[lethal roost]

im pretty sure you can already get pollen puff if your fusion is Jumpluff-based from the move tutor

[stiff island]

Ah okay

[lethal roost]

oh nvm they didnt give it to jumpluff

the one mon that has puffs!!!!!! im sobbing

jumpluff fusions can get strength sap though which would be a real nightmare scenario if it happened in the real games

[warm brook]

So...how exactly did they even make it so we can have more sprites?

Because we know they can handle more than 20 new sprites with how we got...like 10 bonus sprites already

[lethal roost]

basically, some aspects of fusions are generated on the fly now instead of being pre-generated

[brisk vessel]

Made it so fusions aren't hardcoded

[warm brook]

Ah, I see.

[brisk vessel]

Now its only 435 instead of 170000+ hardcoded mons

[warm brook]

So rather than storing every single mon as a separate png, now it loads the mon AS it appears.

[lethal roost]

well, i think sprites are still stored permanently in files. it's just the everything else that isn't

anyway let jumpluff have pollen puff you cowards

[zinc terrace]

I'm starting to gdt the feeling that we may already have the groundwork to add like 50+ more pokemon

The playtest feels smooth as butter

[lethal roost]

god i hope, that's the only way we're getting gogoat

[zinc terrace]

Insane number of bugs, but thats to be expected of an early beta

Prankster Sableye is solid typing and ability wise but jeez its statline nearly ruins every fusion

[lethal roost]

sableye moment

lord knows no one was ever using it because it had stats

i used it in my mono-dark nuzlocke (emerald) as a joke

i like how Sableye was simply not a pokemon worth using until BW

shit even Corsola and Delcatty got like 20 and 30 point buffs (still kinda suck)

[white meadow]

Never understood y gamefreak made Sableye and Mawile so weak

[fair jewel]

Sableye at least got Prankster in gen5, and it made it actually have some uses
Mawile was only ever good with the Mega form, without it... bleh

Mawile especially got a bad deal on gen 3 during its 1st appearance... It didn't have any STAB moves

The only Steel move it could ever learn was Iron Defense

[sturdy breach]

Mawile deserves Strong Jaw and a signature steel type biting move

[zinc terrace]

Once again, my kingdom for a Sigilyph

[fair jewel]

u can keep your kingdom

[zinc terrace]

😭

[white meadow]

We need more Goated fusions so lets hope for gogoat

[fair jewel]

Gib me Tsareena

[sturdy breach]

I need Goodra 🙂

[zinc terrace]

More gen 6 bases, including goodra

So many good ones left out

[sturdy breach]

My hopes: 2x Gen6 (Goodra, Aurorus), 2x Gen7 (Salazzle, Lurantis)

[charred grotto]

Mawile and Sableye had really OP typing when they were introduced, so they got bad stats. And then got power-creeped more or less instantly by Spiritomb and Registeel.

[alpine rune]

Regigigas casually leaving their kids in Hoenn to get into Infinite fusion:

[agile olive]

wtf hahaha

[sterile spoke]

As a Mod and Sprite Manager, I'm going to be campaigning hard for Tsareena to not get in. 😂

[sterile spoke]

There's no kinda about it, Corsola got an evolution because it's so weak. 😛

But then again, Duraludon and Bisharp did, too. 😅

[sturdy breach]

And even then the evolution wasn't used cause eviolite G-Corsola was so damn strong in singles

[alpine rune]

As a cultured person, I have to also agree to keep the other minds sane eventhough most arent

[sturdy breach]

As if anyone is actually truly sane

[stiff island]

In my opinion if any gen 8+ mons ever get added, it should be the evolutions first. Like kingambit and farigiraf. It's really important pokemon get their whole lines imo

[sterile spoke]

I agree entirely. 🙂

[stiff island]

Fight me

[sterile spoke]

Frankly, I'd also then add in Basculin so we get Basculegion, who redeemed an otherwise awful, awful Pokémon. 😛

[stiff island]

Honestly it's less that I want "hot" mons, I just like making girl fusions and there aren't all that many girl pokemon

[alpine rune]

The problem is Tsareena itself tbf

[sturdy breach]

No, there isn't a problem...

[stiff island]

Just because she's the step on me pokemon doesn't mean she's problematic

[sturdy breach]

Boot the ones that break the rules from the server, it's why there are rules.

[stiff island]

Delphox would be nice

[alpine rune]

I know yall ideas, yall prolly want them thigh high boots and put it in everything. Bet that Tsareena/Starmie would look like this

[white meadow]

too bad starters aren't allowed

[loud fable]

They take up 9 spots so I see why if the top 5 are starters

[stiff island]

They're literally in the poll what are you talking about

[white meadow]

me when pinned messages

[alpine rune]

check pins

[white meadow]

never thought it would have said that again

[alpine rune]

Theyre not going to add it for this update unless staff picks again

[white meadow]

I want Tsareena
I want to put every Mon in high heels

[stiff island]

Hey nice gen 6 is most wanted of the starter trios

[alpine rune]

I thought so lol

[white meadow]

gee i wonder why

[alpine rune]

I like delphox

[white meadow]

Imagine Charizard, Snorlax or Muk in highheels

[alpine rune]

Actually no, ima just say it, I like braixen because of how cheeky she is in Pokken Tournament

[stiff island]

It's interesting to me we didn't see which mon was #1 on the poll

[white meadow]

Braixen is the reason y i ended a friendship

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/braixen-pokken-tournament-gif-19681264

[stiff island]

Would

[white meadow]

what

[alpine rune]

That's some heavy lore that I won't delve into

[white meadow]

Ayo

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378349056633602058/1090594111997882428/rapidsave.com_n4jgckxi9jqa1.gif

[white meadow]

You really dont want to

[alpine rune]

Stealing this

[sturdy breach]

So, would you want Braixen in but actually want to keep something like Tsareena out?

[alpine rune]

yall the reason why i cant like vaporeon anymore

[alpine rune]

also the answer is yes

[sturdy breach]

Just a question m8. Has nothing to do with me personally so that 'yall' was uncalled for...
If we are going by statistics Braixen is 10x more 'problematic'.

[white meadow]

statistics?

[alpine rune]

Fair point

[sturdy breach]

of the certain rule variety

[white meadow]

☠️

[sturdy breach]

Braixen get absolutely ruined because of it's 'teen witch'/'magical girl' theming

By 'those people'

[alpine rune]

I just like magical girls over dominatrixes

[sturdy breach]

But using that as a metric for whether or not a pokemon is more or less deserving to be added to PIF is just stupid imho

[loud fable]

... what?

[clever atlas]

Truth be told, I've become desensitized to r34 pokemon

[sturdy breach]

Salazzle having a canonical harem does not take away from the fact it has amazing potential with it's colour palette and unique body type

[alpine rune]

I get that a lot.

No offense but when I talk about gameplay variety, some people here gets angry at me and say "Well who cares about gameplay when people just want to play something cool"

Then the others will go on and say "Well thats selfish of you for saying that you only like this pokemon over the others because of how it looks, think of the players"

so on so forth

yes i am venting

https://tenor.com/view/vent-gif-18570327

[loud fable]

Tbh I dont really mind what gets in. I just have a few conditions which I would like to see
Would be fun for spriters to sprite and or also bringing something interesting and uniquish to the table

[raw bison]

Aesthetics are one part of the game play. They count, but they are still only one part.

[loud fable]

My favourite is landorus therian

[sturdy breach]

But at the same time, something getting in no-one is going to use is a waste to begin with

[loud fable]

Another thing which is another and or is to just have more of a specific typing

[loud fable]

Yeah basically

[sturdy breach]

The best example would be Bruxish

[raw bison]

Tbf tho Bruxish alone proves that there's people who'd enjoy fusions of every mon

[sullen elbow]

my favourite is shadow rider calyrex

[sturdy breach]

Yeah, but if 99% of the players avoid Bruxish like it's a plague

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-kaperoo-pterodactylus-worthless-gif-25321517

[sturdy breach]

Which I know I would

[alpine rune]

This whole debaucle of "Why Tsareena should get in" can be summed up with this really.

[white meadow]

😂

[loud fable]

You say that like I wouldn't be down for crabrawler
Its another ice type also

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/8it-edible-nf-ts-crab-mukbang-bite-gif-24911217