pif-hoenn-discussion

[silent acorn]

I supported my favorite classics, Staraptor, Mightyena, Sharpedo, Hippowdon.

[rough hound]

[daring bane]

Vote Zeraora

[winged garnet]

What should I go with? The ghost or electric?

[rough hound]

also, here's my tierlist

[rough hound]

voting is over lol

[winged garnet]

Im thinking ghost since electric aint gonna be helpful at all for Brock

[daring bane]

What

Time travel then

[silent acorn]

Of course I gave my due love to sawsbuck, but also excadrill, Lilligant, stoutland, delcatty, mushsrna, naganandel, ludicolo, spritzee, walrein,beartic, pangoro, claydol. Etc

[daring bane]

Excadrill is cool

[silent acorn]

I love excadrill

[violet pawn]

I don't think it makes sense to separate the ones that got in also what is this bruxish and dhelmise slander

[daring bane]

It's really good in pokemon go

[daring bane]

Bruxish is ugly

[rough hound]

but yeah, honestly i really hope the mons ive sprited for get in. heres some of the others ive made

[violet pawn]

that's why we need it

[daring bane]

We have jynx already

[winged garnet]

Personally, I voted 3 for all. Except Lurantis

[rough hound]

bruxish is ugly, and i HATE dhelmise so much you dont even know

[violet pawn]

jynx isn't enough

[silent acorn]

Salazzle and lilligant mid I respect that

Vespiquen I gave support to because she is awesome Just stuck with a crappy as hell typying

[daring bane]

No lilligant is cute :(

[winged garnet]

Okay I thought I'd have to wait. I got the 4 new mons at Viridian lol

Well, not ALL four, Trubbish is in a garbage pail somewhere

[silent acorn]

What about it? She is good I havent Heard People talking about her unlike Gothitelle

[daring bane]

What

[silent acorn]

A lot of People dont quite like Gothitelle because it has a Jynx gardevoir problem

[sand mica]

Why?

[silent acorn]

Lilligant on the other hand feels like a delicate flowers Maiden not fierce, not over the top but not too cutesy like bellossom

[daring bane]

I just don't like gothitelle

[rough hound]

lets not forget this guy

[silent acorn]

See thats why. If it had more curvy figure it might more appealing like hatterene but no

[white meadow]

Your Skrelp base is adorable

[silent acorn]

Cutesy little poisonous seahorse love it

[daring bane]

I don't like hatterene either

[silent acorn]

Humanoids? Bipeds? Please share

[rough hound]

yea, it took me a LONG time to find the right base to use to make that one

[silent acorn]

I like to hear People point what they dont like

[daring bane]

I just don't like them

[rough hound]

👉 Dhelmise

[silent acorn]

I mean... Just dont like them is like very basic you know??

I mean i could assume you dont like gardevoir or you dont like that zeraora is biped

[daring bane]

Gothitelle I don't like the lips, same with jynx, bruxish, and medicham

[mint grotto]

i dont like hatterine because hatterine feels like a copy of gardevior just edgy and mean

[silent acorn]

See? Thats one, yeah many mons with lips arent appealing specially when those dont go well

[daring bane]

Same

[winged garnet]

Where are the free rare candies?

[silent acorn]

Some people like them like that

[daring bane]

I ate them

[silent acorn]

To be honest... I Just had a Hard as hell time trying to figure out how it would be good

[rough hound]

did you save one for me?

[winged garnet]

Im in the Viridian pokemart, but they aint selling any

[daring bane]

No

[winged garnet]

Oh its the guy outside

[rough hound]

thats because it wouldnt be good

[silent acorn]

They want you to grind

[mint grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-go-magikarp-candy-evolve-gif-11986730

[silent acorn]

Yeah I Just dont know... Its Hard to figure out anything I like about that one, atleast sygiliph looks like an ancient gizmo

[daring bane]

I don't really like dhelmise but I don't dislike it either

[silent acorn]

I dont actively hate it but I dont love it

[rough hound]

if i were physically capable, id punt that anchor into the stratosphere

[silent acorn]

It is controversial but I feel the same for goodra... I Just have the dragons I love I dont need more

[crude garden]

It's ability has a lot of potential. Normal ghost with steel stab sounds really nice

[crude garden]

😦

[rough hound]

thats all it has going for it, and if you want steel stab you can literally just use a steel type

[silent acorn]

Sorry buts its the truth I Just have the dragons I want and I am satisfied

[crude garden]

But my son

[lethal roost]

i mean tbf if you get a solid Flash Cannon mon or something it's pretty nice
alternatively it stacks with actual Steel STAB

[silent acorn]

Its like eating a lot of ice cream and then someone offers you more

[crude garden]

I mean...

[naive cobalt]

You do not deny more ice cream

[lethal roost]

though Steelworker is definitely not the most broken ability to come out of this by Miles

[crude garden]

They're offering it would be rude to say no

[rough hound]

idc about viability or damage tho, i care about cool fusions

[rough hound]

trapinch my beloved

[lethal roost]

yeah i think the dhelmise fusions we had were pretty sick though

[daring bane]

Which is why we need zeraora

[rough hound]

zeraora is gonna just be lucario 2.0

[daring bane]

Yes, it's an upgrade

[rough hound]

nah

[lethal roost]

zeraora head really really feels like Raikou head
(i still want it because im biased)

[white meadow]

Goats

[rough hound]

notice how they were mostly fused with steel or grass types, and there wasnt a single body fusion

[daring bane]

I hope rockruff gets in

[lethal roost]

i do see the problem between zeraora and lucario. outside of the hands and... cape? tail? they're very similar

however, the worse thing with zeraora for me is that its head fusions are kind of just raikou's with less colors

...still better than the lake spirit

[sharp nebula]

does gothitelle have legs?

[cinder oasis]

I love dhelmise

[rough hound]

i do not

[cinder oasis]

It most likely will

[lethal roost]

i was searching for the dhelmise fusions and came across this take 💀

[cinder oasis]

I mean it's good but that's extremely long, I ain't readin allat

[lethal roost]

"who would use altaria" idk people who like altaria fusions?????

[rough hound]

i think the most likely mons to get in currently are rockruff, goodra, meloetta, and noivern. to me they seem almost universally liked

[rough hound]

incorrect

[lethal roost]

honestly i just... like these anyway? regardless of dhelmise's body options

dragalge dodes this better though

[cinder oasis]

Altaria only has the design going for it

[winged garnet]

Oh god, Psydily is awful

[west gorge]

The stats are at least decent

[tame flax]

man they chose to go full toxic cringe

[rough hound]

still aint seen a single body fusion out of this mf

[cinder oasis]

?

[cinder oasis]

I guess

[west gorge]

It’s propaganda disguised as information

[tame flax]

the long text

[lethal roost]

disagree. altaria has a niche among them in having mixed stats, defensive options, roost, etc. it'd actually be a solid base for a defensive dragon-type fusion.

[cinder oasis]

It's still true, there's a lot of redundant pokemon, just not altaria lol

[late owl]

https://tenor.com/view/marshadow-shadow-aron-hello-chat-marshadow-hello-marshadow-aron-discord-gif-26989259

[tame flax]

yes but then they called the starters bad picks and that unacceptable

[lethal roost]

the starters were bad picks for being 9 slots?

[rough hound]

the dhelmise defenders have yet to show me any body fusions, and avoid the topic when brought up. they know they picked a trash mon

[lethal roost]

though I am sad Chesnaught didn't ride in on Greninja's popularity

[tame flax]

i voted 3 for 2 sets before ill fucking do it again

[cinder oasis]

They're bad for such a limited amount of spots

[lethal roost]

a good body mon is better than a good head mon. i just like dhelmise anyway?

like as a ghost/grass i'd rather have trevenant. as a seaweed i'd rather have dragalge.
but i still think dhelmise is actually sick as fuck for heads and tbh? there are already pokemon that only get one fusion or the other

[rough hound]

youre defending a pokemon that will have practically no custom sprites, in a game whos entire marketing campaign is based around the custom sprites

[lethal roost]

yeah no shit i'm aware. of the custom sprites I have seen I know it has potential.

[rough hound]

then how do you fuse it with this mf

[lusty oxide]

Do none of you know how to copy paste an image?

[white meadow]

Who do you want to see fused?

[lethal roost]

well as a head I'd go with the tail being a seaweed-hand monstrosity, and probably turn the body itself into metal. one of aipom's eyes becomes the compass eye.

as a body I'd make it Aipom swinging around a vine with a banana that heavily resembles the chain + anchor part of Dhelmise

[west gorge]

Dhelmise body fusions are likely gonna be similar to aegislash in the sense that the anchor occasionally gets replaced with a similar item

[late owl]

That sounds sick

[lethal roost]

like the banana itself is the rounded part of the anchor and the vine makes it appear to be the rest of the anchor

[rough hound]

or any of these for that matter

[tame flax]

i could only agree if it were the unovan starters and they were in last place out of the three

[west gorge]

Maybe for aipom the anchor gets replaced with a big banana

[cinder oasis]

Solosis would be pretty easy

[rough hound]

thats not even close to a body fusion 😭

[west gorge]

They mentioned the body fusion after

[white meadow]

Btw did you guys hear people being mad when you show with sprites that a Pokemon is usefulle😂
I heard someone who was like "You cant fuse Gogoat with anything" after I showed him he was like " your a spriter that dont count "

[violet pawn]

what?😭

[rough hound]

lmao

[white meadow]

I saw people like that

[violet pawn]

I believe you

[rough hound]

you cant just put both pokemon in the image and call it a body fusion, especially when the more prevalent one is supposedly the head

[white meadow]

Or Blaquaza once
" it dont count your a talented spriter its not worth if it gets in for 2 spriters"
(I didnt take the exact sentence but it shows simply what they meant)

[lethal roost]

solosis is literally "put it in jelly" for like every fusion this is easy

Fletchling, as a head, I think you'd turn the tail feathers to seaweed and make the bird part like a skeleton or a lump of metal. dhelmise's algae can attach to basically anything it just happens to only ever be an anchor
as a body idfk

Ledian would probably get chains around it and the vile compass eye. the spots on the back could be like barnacle growths
as a body I think there's a way but it's escaping me right now

also what the fuck does this mean i literally explained how you could turn the anchor into something thematic and "thats not a body!!!!"?????

[violet pawn]

blaquaza has had some bad takes over the past month ngl

[white meadow]

He prevers Sawsbuck over Gogoat that says all

[lethal roost]

Honestly given the shape of Dhelmise you could realistically turn it into a sickle by lopping off one end of the round part

the problem with Ledian here is that I don't know what Ledian is

what do people do with it???

[rough hound]

you're taking the most MASSIVE leaps of logic to make them seem like theyd work lmao. there aint nearly enough space on the sprites to convey any of that detail, and even if there was it would look mid anyways

also, youre literally saying to have the normal head pokemon swinging on a chain. how does that convey dhelmise as a body

[rough hound]

its sort of a superhero/power ranger type vibe

[tame flax]

sentai

[rough hound]

youre saying to give a mon a metal weapon? i wonder why that sounds familiar...

[lethal roost]

nah that's not at all what i meant. you turn the bottom half of Dhelmise into the banana, and the vines give it more of the appearance of the anchor. you could probably add wooden details to the top to make it resemble Dhelmise more

[lethal roost]

oh no way the mon with a similar body style to Honedge might make fusions that resemble a metal thing???????????????? at least dhelmise is already rounded

[little island]

Was i the only one voting on aesthetic and artistic fusion potential alone?

[lethal roost]

no a lot of people were

[rough hound]

👁️👁️

[lethal roost]

yes, dhelmise has a chain?

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dhelmise-water-pokemon-gif-13607516

[surreal chasm]

I'm one of them

[lethal roost]

can't believe I'd use every part of the design on the pokemon that's so crazy.

[tame flax]

if you want to get super picky about dhelmise, and i mean super picky, i dont even think dhelmise is the anchor, he's the sea weed, which is why hes ghost grass

[lethal roost]

yeah you could just make the mon covered in seaweed. i'd want dragalge for that though

[crude garden]

Yeah, that's correct

[rough hound]

we also already have scyther and kabutops for sickles

[rough hound]

you're repeatedly contradicting yourself

[tame flax]

no covered in seaweed, becoming the seaweed

[crude garden]

The creature from the black lagoon

[lethal roost]

not really. basically the idea for Dhelmise/Aipom is to have the vine resembling the chain (seen here) and the banana resembling the anchor bit (also seen here). maybe aipom could be in the fusion holding it, maybe not.

[tame flax]

the mon posssesses takes the place of the seaweed and possesses the anchor by wrapping around it

also like

[lethal roost]

sorry for realizing like 5 minutes ago that putting Aipom itself in the fusion might be annoying

[rough hound]

yes, im aware of the mental image you have. im saying neither works for an aipom head fusion

[lethal roost]

well the other option is to turn the metal bit into a hand outright

[daring bane]

Or, just don't ever use aipom

[tame flax]

nonsense

look at this G

[rough hound]

if the elemental monkeys were actually cool

[late owl]

Valid

[mint grotto]

i have never used the elementel monkeys past the first gym in black and white as they are lame

[tame flax]

id sooner see 12 more charizards

[tame flax]

each one taking a slot

[mint grotto]

dont insult trash like that

[lethal roost]

fuck it dhelmise isnt getting in anyway

ill put my energy towards the Goat instead

[crude garden]

Know who is getting in?

[white meadow]

ETERNAGOAT

[lethal roost]

TRUE

[white meadow]

GOOGOAT

[lethal roost]

however I will keep the banana anchor thing in mind in case Dhelmise and Tropius both get in (doubtful)

[crude garden]

Eternagoom

[prisma willow]

Do we have any more confirmations?

[white meadow]

Goat!

[crude garden]

Not till next week most likely

[prisma willow]

Goat got in?

[crude garden]

Nope, no goat

[white meadow]

Sadly not yet we just hype GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/flop-goat-gif-27369342

[prisma willow]

Despite being my favorite Ultra Beast, I know Celesteel isn't getting in.

[cinder oasis]

That's even worse

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/angel-of-death-god-of-hyperdeath-colorful-wings-final-form-god-gif-26135537

[crude garden]

I don't know if any ultra beasts would get in even if they won. I've heard rumors the devs don't want any of them. Those are just rumors though

[prisma willow]

No bamboo rocket princess

[white meadow]

Gogoat and who?

[cinder oasis]

Porygon Z

[silent acorn]

And Sawsbuck so it has multiple colors

[white meadow]

Maybe
Else I could think Giratina or Arceus cuz of the god aspect

yveltal?

[white meadow]

True

[prisma willow]

I know this as they would be post game legendaries, but I'm still sad that Celesteel isn't getting in.

[silent acorn]

Yveltal is gonna be epic

[crude garden]

The wings do kind of look like giratinas if you squint hard

[white meadow]

I dont know that name

[silent acorn]

What is a guguat?

[white meadow]

Idk but Gogoat is the best Mon to Vote

[silent acorn]

You cant delete my boy Cipher it will always exist

It will always be there you can kill seasons, you cant never escape change

[white meadow]

I can

https://tenor.com/view/xtale-reset-button-xtale-chara-smash-push-button-gif-17675647

[silent acorn]

Here is what I think of gogoat

[white meadow]

You know there is a reason why people say "YOUR THE GOAT" and not "your the deer" when you are awesome

[crude garden]

Fun fact, Wayne Gretzky and his brother have the highest combined goals in the NHL of any sibling combination.

Wayne's brother scored 2 goals in his NHL career.

[silent acorn]

You are such a deer my friend, thank you for always being so endeering

[violet current]

oh deer

[white meadow]

How did I goat here between people that ram theyr votes in the trash for some WeedDeer

[robust geyser]

Because we like it and the votes are our own 🙏

[white meadow]

It does everything worse compared to Gogoat

[crimson terrace]

Why can’t we have both the goat and the weed dear?

[white meadow]

Cuz its unlikely to get both

[robust geyser]

it's too late to change anyway (and wouldn't have done it)

[fresh salmon]

There's no need for propaganda now

[crude garden]

There's no need for not propaganda either

[inland jewel]

i mean, the votes are closed though

literally no more votes can be put in, at this point you're hyping up something that they have no influence in changing

[white meadow]

not like propaganda ever had a major effect to begin with

[crude garden]

Yee, it's just for fun

[gentle ferry]

I'm just working on contest entry tbh lol that's all I can do for Gastrodon

To be fair I don't have a ton of faith in a win but should at least possibly be a solid entry

[white meadow]

I dont have any idea what to do with the 4 birds for the contest

[lusty oxide]

Me neither lol

[crude garden]

I don't know what to do with them other than their gooms

[prime dust]

push the envelope of their typing with a fusion...

[prime dust]

i mean that's nice but i think they want stuff that is in the game

[crude garden]

Yeah they're not for the contest

[twilit flax]

cuuute

[prime dust]

the best goom i saw was the spheal one

round and friend shaped + round and friend shaped

[gentle ferry]

Tbh this chat put Goodra in my current "top 14" for what's left so I wish it the best. Still really hoping Gastro but I really respect all the spriting so hopefully both make it.

[thorny ferry]

palette - that's your subjective take on its colours, the point of the mon is it being ugly
lips - there are like 4ish that have them, but none of them are like bruxish's since it also has the teeth and a more woman-like feeling to it than the others (except for jynx, obviously)
eyelash - name 3 of them
hearts - none of those mons are in PIF, and I am only talking about the heart-shaped mons. bruxish is the only mon with hearts (not the same as being a literal heart)
blue dots - didn't say they were unique, it's just a neat little detail that adds to the design
blue thingies - I'll attach some images with examples
sassy look - yes, other mons also have sassiness, but that doesn't change anything, it's like saying charmader's palette is bad because there are already other pokemon with red colours

[crude garden]

I agree, I hope slug gang reunited in the game

[thorny ferry]

walltext jumpsacre

[naive cobalt]

I’m not reading all that

[surreal chasm]

I was agreeing with them until they started talking dirty about Altria

[lethal roost]

nah I disagree with the assessment that Zigzagoon and Linoone are the exact same as Sentret and Furret for instance

i still think other mons should get in before them though

[surreal chasm]

Altaria's cloud aesthetic would be really cute on other mons.

But I guess Whimsicott has a pretty similar aesthetic too

[surreal chasm]

Yeah I love Zigzagoon but with only 20 slots it doesn't have much priority

[lethal roost]

well Altaria is an actual cloud so you could do cirrus/stormclouds/etc whereas whimsicott is just fluffy

[tame flax]

imagine cotton candy altaria

if obstagoon were along with them, thatd be a different story

[surreal chasm]

It's not an actual cloud it's just fluffy feathers

And while thunder clouds would be cool there's not all that much else you can do with it being a cloud

Just fluffy

[lethal roost]

so what you're saying is we should get the forces of nature

[surreal chasm]

Yes- NONONO

[tame flax]

Yes

[surreal chasm]

I NEEEEED Slurpuff in the game I NEEEED it

[lethal roost]

i would kind of like the forces of nature assuming
-we get swords of justice first
-its not 6 fuckin slots like it might end up being

[white meadow]

n o

[lethal roost]

now that oricorio is in with its forms I can't really defend FoN as much as I used to

[tame flax]

consider this, since forms are their own mons that dont take up slots, thats 6 mons for the price of 3

[surreal chasm]

If actual garbage is good enough to be a staff pick so is a yummy dessert

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[lethal roost]

wweellll about that

[lavish phoenix]

Okay since I have to be even more thorough, fine...
Palette - subjective take or not, its ugly. You agree, everyone agrees. Why would we want a mon that makes anything it fuses with look worse?
Lips - I think one pokemon that has essentially the same feature is enough since I can't imagine theres a high demand for it, but I'll concede this one point.
Eyelash - Just from a quick google search I found Tsareena and Aromatise, though I imagine theres more I'm just not gonna try to filter through over 1000 pokemone to find them. either of these would be WAY better than bruxish.
Hearts - okay so the only other mons I can find with hearts as part of the design instead of being shaped like a heart are drifloon and alcremie love sweet version. But again, better pokemon.
Blue dots- You literally quoted yourself and your arguement to me saying that these were reasons why Bruxish was unique, so I'm not sure why you'd revert to them just being 'design points' now.
Blue thingies - They're literally just gills and fins. Every fish pokemon has something very similar, they're ONLY different because of the coloring.
Sassy look -Im not saying sassy is bad, I'm saying other mons do it better. So why waste a slot on Bruxish?

So, I'm at least partially wrong. Bruxish has a few traits that are hard to come by. However, there are MANY pokemon that could be added that have just as many if not more cool/interesting/unique traits that are strictly better stat wise and aren't absolutely horrendous to look at. Plus, we really need more unique forms rather than adding another fish.

[thorny ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[lethal roost]

oricorio actually is four slots, but at least it's free. you can't say the same of FoN

[tame flax]

yes, theyre all seperate pokemon but frog man said if they got in this way anyways hed only count it as one slot

[lethal roost]

oh thank god 👍

[tame flax]

which means the forces of nature are a buy one get one free

[lethal roost]

so that means Lando-T is free with the Forces of Nature

everyone wants Lando-T right

[tame flax]

and all the other Ts

and the Is

[lethal roost]

tbf this kind of throws a wrench into my idea for the FoN, which is that you could make "therian" forms of other pokemon with them as... head? body? hard to say

[tame flax]

and enamorus too if only that were on the table

[lethal roost]

now its like "ok so the incarnate forms are just gonna be dudes and the therian forms are just gonna be whatever the therian forms are" which is slightly more lame

still better than lake spirits though

[crude garden]

Can we please drop the bruxish skirmishes and just let bygones be bygones?

[tame flax]

i want my azure dragon

[white meadow]

who mentioned bruxish now breh

[lethal roost]

i legally am not allowed to complain about Bruxish's color palette because I want Blacephalon for basically the same reason

my thing with bruxish, being entirely serious, is that as a body it is kind of just a fish. banger head mon though

[tame flax]

you fool

youve summoned him

[lethal roost]

hes been typing for like 8 minutes at this point

[white meadow]

Here a Cube we all like cube

[tame flax]

CUUUUUBE

[white meadow]

how spin when cube

[white meadow]

Did you hear of geometry dash

isn't that sliding?

[thorny ferry]

eyelash - aight, I gotta take the L on this one, I was wrong🫡
hearts - I don't recall seeing anyone use the heart in drifloon at all, and alcreamie isn't an option for the votes anyways (sadly 😿)
blue dots - ye, I didn't choose my words very wisely, but I think my point gets through after clearing that misunderstanding
blue thingies - yes, other fish have it, but I think all of these points are just different design points that merge together to make a pokemon that isn't exactly like other ones. for example: seaking has the gills/fins, but doesn't have the other stuff; jynx has the lips, but doesn't have the other stuff; Aromatisse has the eyelash, but doesn't have the other stuff.
it's just a combination of different designs that make a big mesh of design points
sassy look - (same argument as blue thingies)

[white meadow]

Yes he slide and jumps

ig

[crude garden]

I missed the boat on the geometry dash insanity

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/geometry-dash-gif-23246944

[lethal roost]

i just suck too much at rhythm games to ever be good at it

[crude garden]

I used to play the crap out of guitar hero

[white meadow]

Btw scolixgogoat is something i need to do

• look at these I made

[lethal roost]

golisopod/scolipede is badass

[tame flax]

If i had money to spare id pay to see the inverse of the first

a speed boost bug water type with scolipedes physical stats?!

[white meadow]

Or you just ask if I can make then when I have time

[white meadow]

Thats the one you see yes

[tame flax]

that one would be bug poison

[white meadow]

Atm in the Playtest version Scoli head is poison

[tame flax]

thats a bug

i think froggo confirmed as much

[white meadow]

Than its cool
I prever Scolipede body Poison

[lethal roost]

I could see the opposite water/bug one's set being like
-First Impression
-Liquidation
-[Coverage]
-[Protect/Sub for Speed Boost abuse or SDance]

you're already kind of abusing Speed Boost with First Impression tbf

[white meadow]

Eq maybe as Coverage

[lethal roost]

wait nvm im thinking of fake out

still first impression probably revenge kills something and starts the Speed Boost ramping

[lavish phoenix]

Well, I suppose thats fair. Bruxish is definitely a mash up of a bunch of different things. I still think that any of those designs just work better on other mons, who have other designs that they mix with, but I can't say any of them have all of the things in one package that Bruxish does. That doesn't mean I think it should be in game. Though it has many features, I don't think they work together well at all. I am biased, heavily, because I much prefer cool/badass/beautiful/graceful/etc fusions. My favorite mon is Aegaslash afterall. I just... can't see the appeal of something so intentionally ugly that it makes anything fused with it ugly as well. But I suppose it doesn't matter since the voting is closed anyway.

[lethal roost]

alternatively X-Scissor works and then you can just SDance the first turn, you have the bulk

excited for golisopod i do hope it makes it in

[crude garden]

Did the bruxish conflict finally become almost civil?

[lethal roost]

i mean it was never super nasty, i've seen worse in this chat

[crude garden]

I need my child in the game

[lavish phoenix]

I mean, it was always civil, at least what I saw. Just because people disagree passionately doesn't mean they're not civil.

[thorny ferry]

fair, I also have to admit I have an obvious bias towards bruxish. objectively speaking, there are way better options

[crude garden]

It was not civil last night in the slightest

[lavish phoenix]

Well a 🤝 to you. I love a good argument. debate* 😉

[thorny ferry]

wdym? it was civil ||a civil war||

[lavish phoenix]

I must've left before it became that bad.

All I saw was people disagreeing about if the color scheme was bad, or so bad it was 'good' XD

[lethal roost]

nah the color scheme's fine, and you can always not use one of the colors and still have it be bruxish

or run the shiny colors for shits and giggles

[thorny ferry]

it wasn't their disagreement what made it kinda tense, I believe it was the way the arguments were said what made it a bit tense

[daring bane]

I hate bruxish

[thorny ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[lethal roost]

regardless i legally can't complain about its color scheme and neither can anyone else who wants Blacephalon in this game
(though people who want neither can feel free to disagree)

[daring bane]

The other Pokemon I hate is jynx

[lethal roost]

oh its the lips isnt it

[daring bane]

Yes I don't like Pokemon with lips

[lethal roost]

eh, fair

[crude garden]

It's so weird being so willing to rip into someone over a disagreement in a Pokemon fan game community discord.

[white meadow]

Yeah nearly as bad as Zeraora
Thats not a Pokemon its a Person in a Fursuit
Im sure he has a Zipper on his back

[lavish phoenix]

Adimittedly, the shiny colors are way better. A lot less clashing. I like blacephalon but not because of the circus colors lol

[normal vapor]

geometry dash is not a rhythm game

[sharp sphinx]

ya'll got any cards ya think would make good bases for mons ya want in the game?

[thorny ferry]

shit can get wild when there are two sides that disagree

[sharp sphinx]

no it can't!

[white meadow]

Wait

[crude garden]

Like I'm not a bruxish fan, but if it's in it's in

[lethal roost]

i thought a lot of the levels relied on moving to the song that's playing

[thorny ferry]

this would be neat

[lethal roost]

i'd also argue for BREAKthrough Gogoat

[lavish phoenix]

I.... really hope its not in. Like, I do a lot of random IF nuzlockes, and I hate getting some super awesome pokemon and having to pair it with like.... a shuckle or a mr mime. I hate ruining the awesome factor.

[lusty oxide]

Why are we posting Pokémon cards?

[sharp sphinx]

feels a bit odd for a standstill pose without the surroundings

[sharp sphinx]

custom base ideas for mons we'd want

[lethal roost]

also either of the two Aurorus cards that exist (Forbidden Light and Furious Fists respectively)

the other one is one of those EX cards thats just the head and thats lame af

[sharp sphinx]

tyrantrum has insufficient cards too

[daring bane]

There's only two aurorus cards?

[lethal roost]

there's three, two normal and one EX promo

[sharp sphinx]

same for tyrantrum

[sharp sphinx]

voting closed, propaganda time is over, now we wait and hope

[sharp sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-yveltal-gif-5801824

[shrewd zealot]

Ok

[lusty oxide]

I was looking for leavanny cards and I just noticed something about them

[lethal roost]

also Trevenant BREAK but slightly smaller and obviously not entirely golden

[sharp sphinx]

leavanny would cut up the cards and make clothes outta em

[thorny ferry]

I pray to the psychedelic gods that bruxish is in the top 20 or a manager or smth like that chooses it idc

[sharp sphinx]

just partially? 😛

[lusty oxide]

For some reason a lot of leavanny cards have them sitting down

[lethal roost]

theres actually a lot of Trevenant cards that could work for it

[white meadow]

I think Scolipede and Torterra dont have good cards

[lethal roost]

VMAX, some of the artwork for the TAG Trevenant/Dusknoir card could be good, uhh Guardians Rising

[daring bane]

It doesn't seem fair that some Pokemon like aurorus only have 2 cards when many Pokemon get more than that in a single generation alone

[lethal roost]

yeah trevenant has like uhhhhh 12 cards to its name and the XY fossils only get 3

[shrewd zealot]

I have it

[lethal roost]

like. look, i love Sigilyph as much as the next person, but does it need more cards combined than the XY fossils

[crude garden]

Propaganda time is never over

[shrewd zealot]

yes

[tame flax]

no its over

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[crude garden]

It's not over until goomy is in

[shrewd zealot]

i know for yo what pokemon will be adde in the game

[thorny ferry]

hawlucha*

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/random-goat-run-running-quick-gif-5469827

[lusty oxide]

Votes are over stop posting propaganda

[white meadow]

Pov Gogoat and me if it was real

[lethal roost]

speaking of sigilyph: Brilliant Stars, Plasma Freeze, Emerging Powers 42 seem like good starts for bases

[lusty oxide]

And start posting about amoongus

[crude garden]

I'll never stop!

[white meadow]

they are not adding applin

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/did-somebody-say-among-us-among-us-gif-18892253

[lethal roost]

though Sigilyph is also definitely not getting into the game I just want it anyway

[thorny ferry]

omg it's the cerwmtate from mamfong us

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-gif-21221964

[thorny ferry]

sigi should definitely be in

[silent acorn]

Convince the contest winners and I wont complain

[crude garden]

But seriously, people worked to hard to not share propaganda

[silent acorn]

Hell I'll even make a solo run with one called GODRA

[lethal roost]

last cards I swear: Xurkitree GX (either pose)
good bases

[silent acorn]

I'll say every where that goodra is the Best pseudo legend if you do

[lethal roost]

sigilyph is like unown but more fun

[silent acorn]

Thats doing a disservice to unown, atleast sygiliph is less common and has more than one move

[thorny ferry]

metagross tho

[lusty oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/eevee-sylveon-lift-pokemon-gif-24797246

[silent acorn]

As I said if he manages to persuade contest winners I'll even delete garchomp from my brain, if that propaganda never ends

[lethal roost]

JK Cosmic Eclipse Blacephalon is a cool base

[high haven]

Even though propaganda is over, that doesn't mean we can't make some cool as hell fusions

[white meadow]

I already see the among us joke if they announce Amoongus

[white meadow]

and ttar, and hydreigon, and garchomp, and salamence, and dragapult

[thorny ferry]

contest winners don't get to choose mons iirc

[white meadow]

at least one does

[lethal roost]

there was something about a raffle? i forgor 💀

[gilded eagle]

UPDATED!!!!!!

[silent acorn]

Legendarydragoo mentioned something about that, how thats gonna work?

[white meadow]

Spinda actually could give cute fusions but the rest is shit of it

[silent acorn]

What do the contest winners get? Free mon raffles? Lol

[thorny ferry]

ok nvm

[lethal roost]

yeah thats the raffle i was hearing about i think

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[silent acorn]

If we get that we could get full goodra line without slots everyone wins in that one

[white meadow]

I need to win and add Gogoat

[silent acorn]

Imagine one of the contest winners pick the monkes oh my god

[lusty oxide]

It’s in not interested

[white meadow]

nah the winner should choose starters

[gilded eagle]

no shit

[white meadow]

so they are still forced to add 9

[silent acorn]

That would be lame its better we get ones from the form

[white meadow]

I choose pre gen 6 Gardevoir

[thorny ferry]

I saw where bruxish is, but I'm tired of debating about it, so how about you reconsider cryogonal?

[white meadow]

what

[silent acorn]

Cryogonal is not the same as glalie by the way

[white meadow]

you mean gardevoir without fairy?

[white meadow]

Pure psyhic type yes

I do the gamefreak and choose Charizard

[silent acorn]

They are different because Cryogonal is more a crystal than a snowball

He is more like regice in that sense

[gilded eagle]

it a snowflake not that interesting

[thorny ferry]

I actually saw someone say that cryogonal could make aztec or ancient masks in general in body fusions

you could also give pokemon ice armour and cryogonal's features in head fusions, which sounds neat

[lethal roost]

I tried to do that a while ago, I think it can work 👍

problem is I forgot to save and closed out of paint.net so i lost the sprite

[silent acorn]

Sure but you can make ultra abstract fusions with it, while it by itself is not interesting think about mixing it with something else

[lethal roost]

also im a fan of cryogonal as a pokemon so im very biased

[west gorge]

Cryogonal is cool but I think glalie already fills the niche

[daring bane]

No it doesn't

[cinder oasis]

Glalie doesn't really fit the same niche as Cryogonal lol but I don't really care about cryogonal

[lethal roost]

I do think Glalie took the wind out of its sails a bit but no one makes ice sculpture fusions with Glalie like I thought they would

[west gorge]

The way the spriters use it seems as though it’s already filled the “make things icy” niche

[west gorge]

Considering glalie isnt exactly an ice sculpture it would be hard to justify

[cinder oasis]

Because that wouldn't make sense, glalie doesn't fit ice sculpture at all

[white meadow]

did anyone make first form frieza with glaile yet?

[silent acorn]

I think not yet

[white meadow]

a

[gilded eagle]

maybe i'll bob it to i cant' think of good fusion if you can show me some good fusion's let's where it goes

[cinder oasis]

Votes have ended anyways

[silent acorn]

I dont make them but I can show one from online

[gilded eagle]

everyway works

[cinder oasis]

No

[pearl quail]

no! don't say about my fav pokemon dedenne there my baby

[silent acorn]

Here is a little one from a guy named Albrt wlson his stufg

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWYW84MvS1i/?img_index=1

albert_wlson

Nalpoleon, fusion of Empoleon and Cryogonal 🔱🐧(Swipe for the shiny variant). The idea about 'King of the Arctic Ocean' came to my mind when fusing these two, with Nalpoleon having the trident as it's main weapon and shield that seemingly resembles Cryogonal's shape. Hope you guys like it!

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[thorny ferry]

that looks sick

[silent acorn]

I am only using it as an example but really cryogonal is a big ice crystal

[gilded eagle]

that was a resondes to you i forgot to click reply

[lethal roost]

Cryo is a lot like Bruxish in that it's an excellent head and a pretty terrible body

its mildly better

[gilded eagle]

that is awesome i like the trident

that the lips not working for me like the color plait but lips

[silent acorn]

Some mons are strong certain points are not its really up to Spriters to pick what works for their piece

[white meadow]

Guzzlord

[cinder oasis]

What

[thorny ferry]

what lips

[silent acorn]

But yeah Cryogonal fills the ice crystal niche, avalugg and regice are the only other two that do. Glalie doesnt because its covered in snow

[gilded eagle]

the everway work things

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/workout-avalugg-pokemon-lifting-gif-22448974

[gilded eagle]

i'm talking about bruxish

[thorny ferry]

oh ok

[silent acorn]

Bruxsish has psychedelic colors which you know its an exotic fish so it works

[dim cosmos]

Brexit is my favorite pokemon

[cinder oasis]

Huh?

[white meadow]

i hate dexit

[silent acorn]

I like galar because brexit, I hate brexit

Honestly Paldea is as realistic as a spain Portugal region is gonna get.

[rocky condor]

https://tenor.com/view/19dollar-fortnite-card-among-us-amogus-sus-red-among-sus-gif-20549014

[west gorge]

The giant magical crater in the middle of where Madrid should be is very realistic

[dim cosmos]

TRUE!

[lusty oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/amongus-among-us-sus-gif-26458977

[lethal roost]

me when amogus

[gilded eagle]

it was supprt to be a reply to "i dont make them but show one"

[rough hound]

Here they come

[gilded eagle]

to quote a rat "fuck amogus no what don't fuck amogus"

[silent acorn]

Aw croagunk

[lusty oxide]

Yooo luvdisc

[rough hound]

i was referring to the skrelp lol

[dim cosmos]

new xurkitree buneary fusion out

[silent acorn]

What lovedisk? I see Skrelp

[cinder oasis]

?

[rough hound]

lil man really wants in, he's even bringing a friend

[cinder oasis]

Lol

[gilded eagle]

god daum it again that was to MOnRyS sorry for the confuse

[rough hound]

like bruxish and dhelmise

[white meadow]

Lies
Your shiny

[gilded eagle]

i swear i can read sometime

[lusty oxide]

No that’s not what I meant

[stone cliff]

There are no good picks or bad picks. There are only pokemon, and those too weak to fuse them

[rough hound]

you said the bad picks

[lusty oxide]

I meant things like Marshadow lol

[rough hound]

yungoos and gumshoos =|

[lethal roost]

...fair

[cinder oasis]

Sure

[gilded eagle]

true

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

[naive cobalt]

All of your opinions suck mine are better

[lusty oxide]

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/9mm-vs-ballistic-gel-gun-bounce-off-gif-17013757

[naive cobalt]

4 slots for lycanroc a very good option!

[lusty oxide]

^^^me surrounded by your opinions

[rough hound]

swap marshadow and dhelmise and you got yourself a good post

[naive cobalt]

still better than 1 for necrozma though

[stone cliff]

Pretty sure it would be 5

[lethal roost]

nah lycanroc is only 2. iirc the alt form mons are still getting counted as exactly the number of dex slots they take

[white meadow]

what

[white meadow]

Dhelmise atleast has some potential while Marshadow dont have any

[stone cliff]

Someone said Rockruff has 2 forms as well

[white meadow]

it doesn't

[lethal roost]

Rockruff has a second, hidden form difference, which gives it Own Tempo iirc
this is so that it only evolves into Dusk Form

[white meadow]

breh it's only an ability

[rough hound]

id take marshadow over dhelmise any day of the week, though theres still better mons than either of em

[white meadow]

But only in gen 7 i think

[lethal roost]

well, ask game freak then

[lethal roost]

has Own Tempo Rockruff been released in SV yet?

[naive cobalt]

that’s not really a different form though

[white meadow]

I think you can get Dusk lycan in SV

[lethal roost]

yeah

[lusty oxide]

Rockruff is in sw/sh too

[stone cliff]

Regardless, if Oricorio would have taken 4 slots, Lycanroc would probably take 4 as well

[lethal roost]

it's a different form identifier ingame. i don't know how Dusk would work in this game, though
probably just evolve at the time it evolves at and have Own Tempo just be a second HA for Rockruff, leaving Rockruff at one slot

[stone cliff]

I mean, Oricorio takes 4 dex numbers and it's one pokemon

[lethal roost]

nah, but that's the thing; I'm pretty sure I've heard that mons with alt.forms like this are still being counted as 1 slot for the purposes of the vote even if they actually get more than one dex number

Oricorio is the only one we've seen so far so we'll have to wait for the inevitable Lycanroc

[stone cliff]

Hopefully

[lusty oxide]

I think remember frogmarched saying that too

[stone cliff]

Frogmarched

[lusty oxide]

Fucking autocorrect you know what I mean

[lethal roost]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message here

[slate gazelle]

I’m glad Oricorio got in

[lusty oxide]

What the fuck does that even mean?

[lethal roost]

so Rockruff line is 2 slots still

[stone cliff]

I stand corrected, more big W's from dev team

[lusty oxide]

Oh no

[lethal roost]

even if Midday/Midnight/Dusk get put in
basically, 3 doggos for the price of 1

[naive cobalt]

There’s still time delete your message quick

[stone cliff]

Shit not again

[lethal roost]

though Dusk kinda suck ass (its stats are very similar to Midday, the difference is Tough Claws)

[lusty oxide]

I hate autocorrect

[white meadow]

Just wait, one day I send you to Brazil

[stone cliff]

I wonder if they'll add forms to already added mons 🤔

[lusty oxide]

I would take this threat seriously

[naive cobalt]

It’ll never happen

[white meadow]

Deleting isnt allowed you know

Nooo

[lusty oxide]

Get trolled

[white meadow]

I Screenshot it

[naive cobalt]

I’m quicker

[white meadow]

Delete yours
I post mine and than we got him

[stone cliff]

Makes sense. I still wanna see if they'll do anything with Spinda

[naive cobalt]

Too slow

[lusty oxide]

Damn that’s a big grab

[naive cobalt]

Your also getting sent

[stone cliff]

That's a looooong hand

[white meadow]

I got us all

[naive cobalt]

Your stuck in Brazil with me now

[stone cliff]

The Gang Goes to Brazil

[lusty oxide]

Pain

[white meadow]

Idc I got you and I got proof

[rough hound]

whelp, its been a good run. all i can do now is hope all my spriting didnt go to waste

[stone cliff]

You been pumpin em out, damn

Big fan of Duskroak

[rough hound]

yeah, but the goal was not only to have fun making em, but for others to have fun using em

[white meadow]

Im sure worst case other fan games would be happy to use then

[slate gazelle]

Dragicroadon has raised Toxicroak from a 0 to a 3 for me
I used to dislike it, and now I like it a lot

[rough hound]

cant lie, duskcroak is my favorite fusion of the 4

honorable mention, whatever tf this thing was

[tame flax]

it looks like....

[white meadow]

shiny machamp?

[slate gazelle]

Shellos/Gastrodon

[white meadow]

4 arms tho

[prisma willow]

I am surprised other people liked Rimbobee when I posted my top 20

[white meadow]

ok no the face is different ig

[rough hound]

the original concept was the blue gastrodon, but i couldnt figure out how to incorporate the blue and it just became machamp

[tame flax]

ribombee goated

might as well make it stone grey with yellow lips at this point

[lusty oxide]

Yeah ribombee is a good fairy type pick

[silent acorn]

I am yet to be shown a good picture of ribombee

[rough hound]

already finished the ol machamp

[silent acorn]

I can imagine it looking pretty but thats it

Like I didnt give a zero or anything like that but It didnt get a 3 from me either

I Just wasnt fully convinced

[white meadow]

4 other good lines to use on them would be gogoat, noivern, necrozma and Golisopod

[prisma willow]

Rimbobee is the tiniest dragon slayer

[silent acorn]

Imagine the seasonal variantes to be made with sawsbuck

[rough hound]

if there had been more time on the votes, i would definitely get on that

[silent acorn]

Dragalge plus sharpedo pure awesome

[white meadow]

Ribbonbee is shit to sprite

[tame flax]

wait one golly gosh darn second i had a thought about palossand

[white meadow]

Than do it for fun

[silent acorn]

Eh it has a few more thing going with it

[tame flax]

water compaction with a type that resists water

[silent acorn]

I can image pixie TYPE fusions, better than satyr fusions

[lusty oxide]

There is a single cutiefly fusion in the spritework channel

[white meadow]

Wow something you do in IF already with other grass types

[silent acorn]

Like with what mon exactly?

[white meadow]

Torterra

[silent acorn]

Butterfree is still a damn butterfly

Torterra fills the landmass niche not the pixie niche

[raw bison]

Tbf other grass mons don't have antlers

[rough hound]

eh, idk if i can get the right energy for spriting rn with no propoganda to be made with it. but if they get in, rest assured ill definitely get on that

[silent acorn]

Nor horns

[white meadow]

I pinged your season post

[crude garden]

Someday Sprite manager senpai will notice me

[silent acorn]

Oh that, torterra is still massive and a landmass the effort to do good things with its pretty high and you have to selectively pick mons

There is only one torterra and only so much space for its sprites

[white meadow]

Actually one does

[silent acorn]

Now thats really Lil bro

[silent acorn]

Thats a good flower girl

[white meadow]

Even head fusions work there

[silent acorn]

Torterra only has a green pallette, what kind of thing are you gonna make out of the head only?

[rough hound]

yknow what would be a fun thing to do? what would the mons you voted for put on torterra's back?

[silent acorn]

Sawsbuck all 4 seasons on its back

[white meadow]

i just realized that lilligant's torso isn't covered

[white meadow]

A good example is Torterra/Kengaskhan that its allowed to alter Torterras plant live

[silent acorn]

Like thats Just a full forest with time change right on it

[silent acorn]

@white meadow answer the man with your pick mon

Palossand would make a country out of sand on torterras back

[prisma willow]

That's how Liligant is though?

[white meadow]

Gogoat
A farm or a Mountain area since goat
Noivern
I can think of one being musik themed with a boombox or a dark forest theme
Necrozma
Glowing crystals and a futuristic city
Golisopod
Probably just a big ass shell
Goodra
A whole swamp
And well that are my top votes that arent in yet

[white meadow]

yeah ik i just didn't notice until now

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/c1/0549Lilligant.png i thought that the middle part was green but now i can't unsee it

[silent acorn]

Not bad mountain goat is a solid one

Yveltal would be a hellscape on torterra back

[white meadow]

Noiverns could actually be autumn themed too since halloween and bats are connected to halloween and scary things

[rough hound]

alright, lets go through dragicroadon rq

skrelp would probably put a big fish bowl on its back with all sorts of friends inside (they live in harmony with a bunch of other water types)
i feel like croagunk lounging in a swamp on its back would be cute
shellos would probably put a beach scene on its back of some sort, possibly each form in tiny lil barely recognizable pixels on there

dragalge would definitely be a ship overtaken by seaweed, referencing the anime where they used their poison to fuse sunken ships together and create a structure for all sorts of pokemon to live in
toxicroak would put some weird combination of a swamp and a dojo on their to represent both typings, with a fin cutting down the middle to represent its head fin
gastrodon would definitely be split in two, with angry gastrodons on either side. racism

[white meadow]

It would be fields but bacon grows Out of it

[rough hound]

breakfast

[silent acorn]

Mightyena on torterras back... Hyenas hunting carcasses while vultures overhead

[rough hound]

didnt mean to send the toilet lmfao

[silent acorn]

The toilet next to it lol thats a sign

[rough hound]

NOOOOOOOO 😭

[warm brook]

Jesus they're adding EVERYONE

[silent acorn]

I am sorry boss if you told me beforehand to support noivern I would have. I Just had too much dragon for my own good

[warm brook]

Can't wait for them to add the entire Galar dex as a bonus that doesn't count for the 20

[short garden]

jynx has lips. we have woobat and luvdisc for hearts.

[rough hound]

;-;

[white meadow]

Would be funny if they just show the smash trailer with everyone is here and say that they dont have a limit

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/spoink-grumpig-sad-pig-gift-gif-27399427

[white meadow]

except furfrou because i hate furfrou

[silent acorn]

INFINITE FUSION IS INFINITE

BY KIWIS BS

[rough hound]

there shouldve been a ranking less than 0 for the mons that didnt even deserve that much

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anipoke-furfrou-anime-xy-gif-4035365679965355782

[warm brook]

They would have a mural of EVERY fusion

[silent acorn]

To be honest yeah

[short garden]

that would have nuked the less popular picks even further like aromatisse or grumpig that actually have fans

especially florges, salazzle, etc that get called sexual when they just have a feminine design

stupid typo

[crude garden]

Goomy is a necessary addition to the game

[silent acorn]

I mean... The monkes dude

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/simisear-saturday-simisear-gif-23454367

[silent acorn]

I cant burn it with fire... But I can throw a bucket on it

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/simisear-saturday-simisear-gif-23454369

[silent acorn]

Leaving salazzle, meloetta, Lilligant and tsareena is Just asking for waifumons lol

[tame flax]

🌊

[short garden]

i am saying that those who think of feminine designs as sexual would have nuked mons like lilligant and salazzle due to their biases, completely ignoring the other parts of their design because "woman = sex"

[silent acorn]

If aromatisse and salazzle make it you can expect ooolala

[crude garden]

I mean we already have Gardevoir and lopunny

[short garden]

tbh aromatisse/grumpig should make oinkologne

[silent acorn]

True

[silent acorn]

N O T E N O U G H

[short garden]

those are just feminine designs

the closest thing we have to a rule 2 break is miltank where everyone sits on the sharp edge of the line of rule 2 and it's actually pretty funny in most instances

[crude garden]

Udder insanity

[silent acorn]

Miltank and her user were made during a time the office was too hot

[short garden]

user?

[crude garden]

[silent acorn]

The nightmare of every gen 2 player ever

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/miltank-pokemon-anime-cow-roll-gif-24223496

ah i get it

and thats why everyone hates miltank

[silent acorn]

Yep

[crude garden]

Oh Whitney, she's like 14, which was hot when I was ten, I suppose.

[silent acorn]

Admitting to your sins?

[crude garden]

[short garden]

i never played gen 2 but

i heard everyone hates her bc she uses attract + rollout on miltank so anyone with male pokemon kind of just got auto-swept + milk drink to heal

[silent acorn]

She kills any fire starter user

[short garden]

what if cyndaquil female

[silent acorn]

I know I played heartgold

[silent acorn]

Drink Milk+rollout

[white meadow]

waifu is when female

[short garden]

ahhhh so that helps as well

[silent acorn]

I still love feminine designs because you can make creature that look like they came out of a fairytale book

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/aromatisse-perfume-monster-camera-pan-pokemon-anime-gif-27404587

this is LITERALLY fairytale creature

owlbear, plague doctor, pink fairy, dancer, etc

[silent acorn]

Like you go into the wild find all animal pokemon and suddenly slowly approaches a pokemon that can walk like you, slowly gently moving forward and it reveals the mysterious life form is a pokemon

What is it gonna do? How does it think? What is disposition? Why does look so gentle?

[tame flax]

i knew there was a reason X was better than Y

[short garden]

that is the vibe of aromatisse

fairytale creature

[silent acorn]

To be fair its easy to pick the femine designs Since they give off the elegant feel

Why do you think some people still pick Jynx despite how goofy she is? And yes Jynx is the original gardevoir

And Spritework has tons of People using lopunny and gardevoir as main models?

[desert shoal]

Vote DRAMPA

[short garden]

vote's over

however it's a good idea

[silent acorn]

Sorry to pop your bubble but voting was over yesterday

[desert shoal]

Woops, thats what I get for not catchin up!

Ty both ♡

[silent acorn]

Lol sorry to be the bearer of bad news lol, I still like drampa though

[desert shoal]

Nah its fine! I havent been in here a bit and time is an illusion for me :]

[silent acorn]

Who knows maybe a contest winner picks it

[silent acorn]

Time is a mind construct made by bread to not be eaten

[civic lily]

An idea for Lilligant fusion if she gets in:

Lilligant + a girly mon = a Lilligant that looks like Lillie

We can nickname it
Lillie-gant

[silent acorn]

Tentacruel plus lilligant

[civic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/lillie-zmove-pokemon-gif-21473933

[silent acorn]

Lillicruel or tentagant.

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sunflora-sunflower-razor-leaf-pokemon-game-gif-10659423417928576349

[silent acorn]

Let me think a cool one.
Lilligant+Omastar
Lillistar

[lusty oxide]

^being in this chat^

[hushed mantle]

what was that last frame 💀

[crude garden]

Lilligant +Hitmonlee is Hisuian lilligant

[sharp sphinx]

dhelmise'd be solid at least

[lusty oxide]

Get a good long look at it

[sharp sphinx]

nahthe monkeys exist

[crude garden]

Goomy is a good pick

[silent acorn]

Monkes are as bad as they get

[prisma willow]

Goomy is a terrible pick

[crude garden]

And you're entitled to that opinion

[hushed mantle]

me when i lie:

[prisma willow]

I do not lie

[hushed mantle]

what's so bad about goomy then?

[silent acorn]

To me its not bad, I am Just saturated

[tame flax]

id rather have kommo o over goomy tho

[hushed mantle]

true

[silent acorn]

Now you are Just talking nonsense right there, that thing sucks big time. Its not even a real komodo dragon

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-kommo-o-kommoo-kommo-o-gif-8121977202858861076

[white meadow]

I never thought that we agree

[tame flax]

who said i care about what animal it is? whatver it is, its fucking cool

[hushed mantle]

your opinion was so bad my discord lagged 😭 (no offense but that actually happened)

[lusty oxide]

I don’t follow im very confused rn

[crude garden]

I wouldn't mind jangmoo, but I prefer goomy.

[prisma willow]

Goodra is just an inferior Gastsrodon in terms of slugs and a bland Dragonite that people want to lewd in terms of dragons.

[hushed mantle]

i honestly prefer goodra over gastrodon, even tho it's one of my least favorite pseudos

[white meadow]

Dragonite is more bland than Goodra tho

[prisma willow]

Gastrodon is a sea slug, do you know how many cool things you can make with those?

[crude garden]

Holding hands how lewd

[white meadow]

Only thing Dragonite has is nostalgia
Else its just a fat uglyer Charizard

[hushed mantle]

goodra can make cooler things imo, probably because i'm not a fan of gastrodon's palette and it doesn't directly include goo

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-hands-lewd-anime-blush-censored-gif-15104649

[hushed mantle]

he is friend shaped

[prisma willow]

Unlike Goodra, each one of Dragonite's evolutions look good.

[neat hawk]

Dragonite can be cool for a rain team with hurricane and thunder.

[white meadow]

You forgot to count Dragonite in hes ugly and dont even fit its preevos

[crude garden]

Goodra has 5 good looking evolution stages

[hushed mantle]

tera normal extreme speed dragonite goes hard

[lusty oxide]

Calm down everyone

No need to call Pokémon names

[prisma willow]

Two of which are not in the game.

[white meadow]

dang didn't know goodra evolved 5 more times

[hushed mantle]

nah we should call pokemon with normal names. dragonite is now daniel

[crude garden]

Their elements can still be used in Fusions as long as it's not the focus

[lusty oxide]

Ok…?

[neat hawk]

Dan = dratini, Danny = dragonair, Daniel = dragonite

[fresh salmon]

Yeah could work

[prisma willow]

Yet you need to do a fusion to get a pale mimicry of the regional form you actually want instead of it being the base form.

[white meadow]

shiny silvio

[lusty oxide]

No

[fresh salmon]

Btw, did you know about ||Necrozma|| and ||Sandygast|| being referenced in the game files?

[tame flax]

we've discussed it in length no need to spoiler

[lusty oxide]

Wrong❌

[fresh salmon]

Oh

[tame flax]

imagine water compaction with water resistance

[white meadow]

stamina but only works with water

[hushed mantle]

imagine tyranitar/palossand with shore up sand stream

[white meadow]

like i get it sandygast has great qualities but the ability isn't one of those

[white meadow]

I like base Goodra it has strawberrys for you if you want

[high haven]

Updated list number 4

[cinder oasis]

Water compaction is different

[white meadow]

yeah it only works with water

[half quarry]

Where do I get the new Pokémon?

[fresh salmon]

Assuming the leak slots are community

[cinder oasis]

Water compaction is the same as well-baked body

[white meadow]

it doesn't reduce water damage in any way

[lusty oxide]

Assuming the leaks are even planned to get in in the vote update

[silk narwhal]

Oh no

[cinder oasis]

Oh wow, water compaction is so mid bruh

[lusty oxide]

This is absolutely a troll by frogman

[tame flax]

not if it gains water resistance

[white meadow]

He probably just wants to mess with you im sure its in

[cinder oasis]

Unless you switch in on a pokemon using a water type move

[fresh salmon]

1. Sableye
   2-3. Tyrunt/Tyrantrum
   4-6. Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass
2. Necrozma
   8-9. Sandygast/Palossand

---

10-12. Lotad/Lombre/Ludicolo
13. Dhelmise
14. Marshadow
15. Shaymin
16-17. Rockruff/Lycanroc
18-20. Goomy/Sliggoo/Goodra

[tame flax]

doubles surf

[fresh salmon]

That's my wishlist

[cinder oasis]

Doubles is non-existent in this game lol

[silent acorn]

Leaks here lol

[white meadow]

might as well just use storm drain or water absorb

[tame flax]

you can turn on doubles

you can even make it so all battles are triple battles

[lusty oxide]

No doubles in IF

[tame flax]

look in the options

[lusty oxide]

I feel like making all battles doubles is a bit much

[prisma willow]

Goodra is going to be another line which people will rarely make fusions for its second stage

[neat hawk]

I know with Kuray's mod you can turn on doubles for encounters and trainer battles. I did a whole playthrough, all battles were doubles all the way through champion and postgame.

[cinder oasis]

Marshadow, shaymin, and Ludicolo I kind of doubt

[tame flax]

i dont have mods, and i fought gold in a triple battle

do yall ever look in the options?

[cinder oasis]

Then it's useless in singles

Unless you swap in on a water move predicting the ai

[neat hawk]

I remember trying to set doubles for my first playthrough without mods but I don't think it worked.

[white meadow]

even then i would rather just use an ability that actually gives water immunity

[tame flax]

not really, a two stage boost is a two stage boost

[cinder oasis]

Storm drain is better when you have a special attacker

[white meadow]

meh what do you really need +2 defense for, body press isn't ingame

[tame flax]

give it an absorb bulb too

[cinder oasis]

Water compaction is alright, not amazing though

[white meadow]

yeah, i like a lot of things about sandygast, but the ability isn't one of those

[crude garden]

My Goomy is the same both ways

[lusty oxide]

I love goomy it’s such a little goober nugget

[fresh salmon]

Then I just hope frogman adds ludicolo personally which is unlikely, but could be

[kindred knot]

Imagine 2 oricorio in doubles

[tame flax]

imagine they both know dragon dance

or quiver dance

[kindred knot]

They do know quiver dance

[neat hawk]

Volcarona+oricorio fusion using fiery dance for damage and chance for +spatk

[lusty oxide]

You can get dragon dance from fusing

[tame flax]

Volcacorio starting to look cracked

imagine if you turned on triples with an all oricorio team

https://tenor.com/view/torture-dance-gif-14760311

"You wanna see a real light that burns the sky?"

[rough hound]

i just discovered croagunk/gastrodon exists irl

[crude garden]

But both sliggoos and both goodras are great, in my opinion. I like the typing of Hisuian better, but in infinite fusion, reality can be whatever I want.

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lugia-pokemon-baby-lugia-lanturn-gif-22854772

[crude garden]

I can play that song on the ocarina

[rough hound]

These guys have come to ask if you voted for them

[short garden]

i mean how lanturn produces 10^35 universal energy equivalents every time it glows

[lusty oxide]

I didn’t and it too late now

[crude garden]

Oh, I thought it was about the movie

[gritty flame]

By my count, 9 out of 20 spots have been taken, is this right?

[last pecan]

totodile

[crude garden]

6

9 if you count necrozma and sandygast

[gritty flame]

I recall reading evolutions also count as a slot

[last pecan]

6 slots have been taken

[crude garden]

Sableye tyrunt tyrantrum snorunt glalie froslass

[last pecan]

yep

[crude garden]

Venipede whirlipede and scolipede, oricorio, trubbish and garbodor were staff picks

[gritty flame]

ah i tough venipede was a spot too

[crude garden]

Ah, that's pretty common actually. You'll get corrected for it here a lot so it's hard to forget lol.

People will correct you even if you didn't actually get it wrong LMAO

[cinder oasis]

Which is 9 slots

[crude garden]

That's true. 9 free slots and then an extra 20 in top of it which is nuts

[gritty flame]

sadly the pokemon I want wont get in due to complications. I think Chestnaught would look amazing if you fuse it with Cloyster or some other heavy armor pokemon (or something with a better color pallete) but since he's a starter... yeah, too many slots lost because of the one pokemon i'd like.

[cinder oasis]

29 pokemon is awesome, and the potential of a couple more staff slots for maybe 30-31 pokemon would be amazing but I'll not get ahead of myself

[crude garden]

There's the contest winner, and maybe they'll let it go past 20 Pokemon if at the end the next most popular is an evolution like if we're at 18 and a 3 stage comes next, making it 21

[cinder oasis]

Probably

[tame flax]

they said theyd add starters later seperately

who knows, maybe the contest winner vote will be solely for picking which starter trio gets in

[fresh salmon]

Who's the contest winner?

[crude garden]

Each person who wins a contest gets to pick a Pokemon, and at the end one of those choices will be picked at random and added to the game

[lusty oxide]

Im hoping that leavanny makes it in

One of my favorite Pokémon

If the vote wasn’t closed I would post more of this

But hey I just feel like I’m talking to a wall

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

Lol

So many messages in a row

[fallen loom]

I feel like there are going to be 450 total Pokémon, so that's one more bonus mon and 14 more vote mon

[cinder oasis]

Leavanny I doubt will get in

[tame flax]

leavanny would be cool

[lusty oxide]

A sylveon can dream

[tame flax]

i used them for a bit in Opalo

[cinder oasis]

Yep

[fallen loom]

has a single Fighting or Dark Type got in yet of the extra mon? We need the Scraggy line or the Pancham line

[tame flax]

too bad i can never play it again

[rough hound]

once this is all over, we should make a massive collage of all the sprites made for the vote with mons who dont make it in (except bruxish). a tribute to the fallen

[lusty oxide]

Why no bruxish just put them in their own corner

[fallen loom]

Bruxish could be a surprise bonus mon

[rough hound]

because i said so

[fallen loom]

we need an early Dark type mon

[lusty oxide]

You think your words have any power

[rough hound]

you think yours are any greater than mine?

[lusty oxide]

Yes

[rough hound]

you absolute fool

[lusty oxide]

It’s called disarming voice it’s got 40 power

I can switch to hyper voice if that’s not enough

[rough hound]

luckily i always stay strapped with my favorite pokemon, who happens to know boomburst

[lusty oxide]

Yea but your Pokémon doesn’t know how to speak English

[rough hound]

i also happen to own an alliance that includes 2 poison types, and a third with poison coverage. they can silence you with ease

[lusty oxide]

To bad I know psychic lol

[rough hound]

too bad one of them isnt a poison type lol. also, my favorite pokemon also comes equipped with steel wing and iron tail.

[lusty oxide]

You’re talking about gastrodon cos I know magical leaf too

[rough hound]

you say that like you can attack all of them at once

[lusty oxide]

Uhh you can’t send all of them at me at once

[rough hound]

who says?

[lusty oxide]

Who says I can’t call for help?

[rough hound]

what help do you have, you are but a sylveon with no alliance to speak of

[lusty oxide]

Who says I can’t kill you instead of your Pokémon?

[rough hound]

i myself could defeat you without the need for pokemon in the first place

[fallen loom]

I hope we get an early game Dark type

[snow gale]

YES. PLEASE. GIVE ME MY LITTLE BLANKIE CHILD.

[rough hound]

honestly, considering my sonas main method of attacking is an enchanted axe, i could clap a fairy type in seconds lmao

[lusty oxide]

I like how you immediately went to threatening me over argument

[thorny ferry]

Bruxish won't be there because it will be in

[rough hound]

no 💚

[rough hound]

you said your voice was louder, i said i could silence you

[thorny ferry]

In 4 weeks, bruxish will be announced (trust)

[rough hound]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[lusty oxide]

Ah yes because clearly the best way to deal with people that disagree with you is to silence them

[rough hound]

now youre getting it =)

[exotic jewel]

Hey, it's how some very successful people do it.

[lusty oxide]

I am going to incinerate every fiber of your being

[rough hound]

you can sure try 💚

[lusty oxide]

Good luck surviving a +5 spa. Mystical fire

[exotic jewel]

What if he has Flash Fire

[lusty oxide]

(He doesn’t)

[rough hound]

my sona actually has an inate resistence to fire due to its species, along with the ability to teleport. as i said, you can try =P

[lusty oxide]

See when you constantly get treated in a chat you learn to set up before you enter the chat

[loud depot]

Oricorio?

[tame flax]

sooo i might have cracked the code on the strange plant

[thorny ferry]

Dw sylveon I have a shiny mega rayquaza fused with another shiny mega rayquaza

[rough hound]

and i always come prepared for a battle, whether thats with pokemon, potions, or just my trusty axe =3

[thorny ferry]

Elaborate

[exotic jewel]

Oricorio's forms will be interesting to see integrated into fusions.

[tame flax]

chat too slow, check playtest

[loud depot]

At least there's garbage rabbit, that's a nice add for fusion material.

But dancing bird?

[exotic jewel]

Don't hate on Oricorio, he don't deserve it

[thorny ferry]

I hope it's nihilego

[loud depot]

Lame dancing bird, pass

[rough hound]

oricorio was chosen more for the fundamental changes it would incorporate into the games code than the actual fusions

[sharp sphinx]

kinda wish I'd seen these sooner to ask for custom bases to maybe inspire some sprites

[thorny ferry]

(Or guzz the lord)

[sharp sphinx]

well not just that, kiwi likes birbs

[loud depot]

Id feel bad for sprite people working with guzzlord lol

[thorny ferry]

As someone who sprited with guzzlord, it's not that hard (trust)

[loud depot]

There's so much to work with, it seems quite difficult

[exotic jewel]

I wanna see Guzzlord/Aggron that sounds cool.

[lusty oxide]

Kiwi likes birds?
Possible pidove staff pick

[loud depot]

Aggron mashed with anything is cool

[sharp sphinx]

2 things, birbs, and kiwi already choose and it was oricorio

[exotic jewel]

I want Tropius and Lycanroc the most.

[rough hound]

i also like birbs, but there are better birbs. like music birb, or bacon birb

[lusty oxide]

Well yeah it was a joke there is no chance pidove gets in

Same for starly

[tame flax]

to summarize the playtest for people not checking

the strange plant might be tied to Nihilego

[sharp sphinx]

multipupose I mean, vs other form stuff too

[rough hound]

yea, but im just sayin that it was likely mostly for the form changes

[sharp sphinx]

any hints of bacon birb?

[tame flax]

nope

[sharp sphinx]

yeah but there wer eother things that'dve accomplished that to

[woeful nebula]

fax

[tame flax]

hol up we just talked about the potential of dancer in double, which reminder you can make all battles double or even triple in the options menu

[woeful nebula]

i still dont like it

[tame flax]

double quiver dance

[woeful nebula]

i couldnt care less if it was strong

[digital ferry]

I’m having fun making a buff cheerleader so I’m glad it got in ^^