pif-hoenn-discussion

[tame flax]

this was the one i didnt have saved, fixing that now

[frozen oyster]

Lol thank ya!

[tame flax]

and i think even as a body, slurpuff could be used sort of like torterra

like a cake, decorated based on the pokemon thats the head

imagine going into battle with an assortment of decorated cakes

[atomic lagoon]

anybody know when the voting will conclude?

[tame flax]

a few days

[lethal roost]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic lagoon]

the 1st?
iirc somebody said it'd be going for the entire month

[frozen oyster]

Hopefully in a few yeah. Maybe Friday since its the start of the next month?

[tame flax]

7, maybe 4 given one of the mods ominous statuses

[odd flicker]

Pokemon Sweet version sprites if Slurpuff gets in.

[late harbor]

@sharp nebula

[sharp nebula]

i need to mod my switch now

[short garden]

hmm

miltank- tres leches

vigoroth- tiramisu(coffee = caffeine)

any other ideas?

[odd flicker]

Golem - Rocky road

[tame flax]

i could see charipuff being an orange birthday cake with candles, or maybe one big candle

or perhaps that would be chandepuff?

[atomic lagoon]

for slurpuff head or body fusions?

[short garden]

Muk is one of those horrifying jello salads from the 50s

[tame flax]

body

[odd flicker]

Litwick, Lampent, and Chandelure make a larger and larger cake.

[atomic lagoon]

why wouldn't head fusions also make cake

[tame flax]

but its also worth noting that slurpuff can be dogs too, as seen in the Drampuff art

[crude garden]

Goomy and slurpuff is an ice cream sundae with chocolate sauce

[odd flicker]

I sadly doubt people will vote for it since its original design, while cute, isn't as popular on its own. I feel like a lot of people are voting more based on the initial Pokemon designs rather than the fusion potential. Which, to each their own, but that's what I'm voting based on.

[tame flax]

they would be shaped like the OG mon with a creamy texture and pink cream, the body is where the cakeyness or dogginess comes into play

[atomic lagoon]

my voting was based on personal favorites and fusion potential

[frozen oyster]

Same here

[atomic lagoon]

for instance i ranked bruxish slightly higher because of interesting head fusions, though i still don't exactly want it in the game more than others

[tame flax]

the channel has convinced me of a few mons, but it seems i had already upvoted them out of curiousity, those being drampa and cryogonal

[lethal roost]

i only upped bruxish out of cold respect for the grind

[atomic lagoon]

i think we need more ho-oh fusions i love ho-oh's colors

[tame flax]

it would definitely make for an interesting color pallete

[lethal roost]

Blacephalon has the same color palette, but different vibe obviously

[lusty oxide]

I voted bruxish cos it’s cursed in the best way possible

[tame flax]

oh dear

[atomic lagoon]

the main ultrabeast i want is buzzswole

[tame flax]

Buzzpuff could be a literal beef cake

[short garden]

As seen in drampuff art, it can be candy as well as cakes.

I propose for froslass/glalie to be mochi ice cream

[tame flax]

well figurative

[frozen oyster]

Torkoal Slurpuff, Torkpuff, would probably make a chimney cake maybe?

Drampa Blastoise would probably make a cool Dragon Turtle.

[steep marlin]

Gosh Slurpuff would honestly be fantastic. I adore all food-themed Pokemon in general and it'd made wonderful fusions.

[tame flax]

the main UB id like to see is Poipole, but any would be great

[odd flicker]

Worst case: the monkeys get in.

[lethal roost]

sincerely doubt

[lusty oxide]

[odd flicker]

Agreed, but I'm just thinking about how they wouldn't even be fun to make ironic sprites.

[lethal roost]

best case scenario: 🐐

[atomic lagoon]

i would really prefer we get the more interesting monkeys, that being the orangutan one and the other guy who's names i forget

[tame flax]

the devs would have to work extra hard to make them exciting

[late harbor]

The triple fusion would be why in all caps (you would find it somewhere in the postgame)

[tame flax]

but who knows, ive had fun with parasect and magcargo

[late harbor]

No best case scenario we get all of hoenn

[tame flax]

perhaps they could get some special move expert moves?

[lethal roost]

and... what exactly would the triple fusion be? they have literally the same body shape

[frozen oyster]

Gogoat/Slurpuff sounds like a silly gremlin

[atomic lagoon]

if only gogoat was a single stage pokemon

[tame flax]

Mans first companion with a loyal boi who wants to help you cook

[lethal roost]

i mean I can make Slurpuff/Gogoat at some point maybe if I feel like it

probably something kinda like this but instead of making the grass coat bubbles i make it fluffy cream

[frozen oyster]

Gogoat/Ampharos also sounds good as well. I have a stat calculator document on my computer with the stats

[tame flax]

i think a gogoat vanilluxe could be a banana split with the horns being bananas

[late harbor]

WHYYYYYYYY like that

[lethal roost]

ah, the "god has abandoned us" route, i see

[late harbor]

This would be me if they were added in

[lusty oxide]

[tame flax]

hmm

[tame flax]

what would pikapuff be?

[lethal roost]

im guessing a little like the raichu/slurpuff I showed earlier, maybe with the cheeks being like embedded cherries?

[late harbor]

A peep, what other candy would be fluffy, yellow, and round

[thorny ferry]

Staircasing in the top of the left gun

[odd flicker]

If Purugly got in, it would be Garfield.

[lethal roost]

ok 100% Psyduck/Slurpuff has to be a Peep

[late harbor]

Why does it look like toilet paper

[graceful torrent]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO thats dope

[warm glen]

Different spriting style, Superstar Saga gets weird

[tame flax]

yes

[thorny ferry]

Ye ik, just kidding

[warm glen]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-dies-gif-25137416

[lusty oxide]

[frozen oyster]

Whatever it is, this is a good base to start lmao

[tame flax]

man now that makes me wish we had gen 9 options, imagine Slurply, quaxly with a cream fro

[late harbor]

Oh God that episode

FEASTAMAX

[short garden]

Nihilego - 50’s Jelly salad
Buzzwole - Beef Wellington
Pheromosa - Spun Sugar Sculpture
Kartana - Gingerbread House
Celesteela - idk yet
Stakataka - Tower of Creampuffs/Cupcakes
Guzzlord - Cake made out of fondant and rice krispies

They could all be seen as a type of cake from a distance, but if you look for like half a second, you realize it ain’t cake

Like how each UB fundamentally breaks a law (or few) of Pokémon design

[tame flax]

wouldnt stakataka be a gingerbread house?

[late harbor]

No kartana is the cake knife scp

[lusty oxide]

Kartana would be edible paper

[short garden]

Kartana is made of slabs of flat material(paper)

Stakataka is an amalgamation of tiny bricks in a tower

[tame flax]

hmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-dot-dot-dot-stick-figure-intresting-gif-23376515

[lusty oxide]

This is not my hand

[short garden]

The whole point is that they aren’t cake, so the cake knife scp breaks these rules by being actual cake, even only if by creating it

[frozen oyster]

Croquembouche! Unsure if pixel art would really be able to translate this well though

[short garden]

Yes that stuff

[tame flax]

that reminds me of a thing from one piece

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/telepathy-telepathic-psychic-mind-reader-meld-gif-13614415

ha haha ha ma mama ma ma

[tame flax]

the thing that drove big mom crazy as a girl from the giant village

[lusty oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[short garden]

no that’s Semla

Croquemboche is what Jimbei threw into Big Moms mouth with each crème puff screaming and alive due to being homies

Whole Cake Island really is fucked isn’t it

[frozen oyster]

Minior Slurpuff would be a fun one with this lmao

[tame flax]

semla thats it

[thorny ferry]

We need more smg references frfrfr

[lusty oxide]

I think it would work better to be the star bits themselves

[tame flax]

although now that i think about it, Slurplax would probably be big mom

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/big-mom-charlotte-linlin-one-piece-anime-mmmmm-gif-19944941

I must go for a while please keep this convo going

[sharp nebula]

i might have looked at this window at the wrong time

[lusty oxide]

[tame flax]

does that make Slurpcario Katakuri?

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/big-mom-one-piece-totto-land-disney-whole-cake-island-gif-20049116

[tame flax]

you could just put slurpuff in here and it wouldnt look too out of place

[lusty oxide]

Im convinced I’m in hell

[frozen oyster]

Well, slurpuff Houndoom covers Devils Food Cake so....

[tranquil dust]

new announcement this week??

[thorny ferry]

This further convinces me I shouldn't watch one piece

[crude garden]

What about Angel food cake? Altaria maybe?

[ornate lantern]

I've been in hell for four years welcome C:

[tame flax]

Togekiss

[frozen oyster]

Togekiss

[crude garden]

Fair

[thorny ferry]

A new mon will most likely be announced this friday

[sharp nebula]

yeah probably, dont know when tho

[lusty oxide]

This chat is hell sometimes

[tranquil dust]

less goo, finally Lumineon will be announced 🤡

[crude garden]

War is hell.

[crude garden]

Now goo because goomy will be announced

[tranquil dust]

Goomy less goooo

[ornate lantern]

but good hell lol

[lethal roost]

man the cake thing is kinda difficult for me actually
i was going to use alcremie as a reference here but the smogon sprite isnt quite like it

[thorny ferry]

At least you aren't supporting bruxish, you at least have a chance

[tranquil dust]

but if I'm being quite honest, I don't really care who gets added; my favorite non gen 1-2 Pokemon are already in with the exception of Pangoro (who I hope makes it in)

[lusty oxide]

[tranquil dust]

(or, well, I don't care as long as it's not rockruff and especially not Zeraora)

[frozen oyster]

That being said, I really really hope we get Drampa and Slurpuff in. My hail Mary votes being diggersby and exploud, and I'd totally down to see gogoat and even minior get in.

There's honestly not that many basic mons I'm against, I'm more turned away by legendaries.

[lethal roost]

yeah i haven't lost yet either so i hope my luck keeps going 😎

[thorny ferry]

I'd be happy with any mon being in tbh

[tranquil dust]

yeah, I mean I'd still rather have rockruff and maybe even Zeraora than nothing

[high haven]

Don't worry, zeraora won't be joining

[lusty oxide]

Where is leavanny

[ornate lantern]

Any mon except bruxish lol

[thorny ferry]

Where bruxish

[sharp sphinx]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/3825d70c-10f2-4bf2-8d3e-144563f440fd/d6i5qwg-9807a4cd-8ba1-4e01-849b-8bcd7a7789a4.gif?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzM4MjVkNzBjLTEwZjItNGJmMi04ZDNlLTE0NDU2M2Y0NDBmZFwvZDZpNXF3Zy05ODA3YTRjZC04YmExLTRlMDEtODQ5Yi04YmNkN2E3Nzg5YTQuZ2lmIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.LNLZl2-zPKN8YByHDfa3dsQ3CXThmsRsaCXTfZB314Q

[frozen oyster]

There might be a sprite for a cake style crusted I think?

[tranquil dust]

2 slots for slugs is good (gastrodon)

[sharp nebula]

might as well drop mine

[lethal roost]

still in ehhhhhh tier

[tranquil dust]

and while I really love Leavanny, I honestly don't see the fusion potential

[lusty oxide]

You don’t have to circle it I’m not blind

[lethal roost]

the thing with gastrodon is that the problem isn't "its too many slots"
it's that i'd only want it if everything above it was in basically,

[frozen oyster]

Delta crustle from another fan game!

[lethal roost]

man i keep forgetting insurgence exists (i want to forget)

[lusty oxide]

Isn’t there a rom hack where all the Pokémon are food?

[lethal roost]

Pokemon Sweet yeah

[tame flax]

i keep meaning to fo another playthrough but i need to get a team transfered

[frozen oyster]

I've never touched it! Is it not good?

[high haven]

Eh, might as well.

[tranquil dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137892936915361942/1146150910347710506/Unbenannt.png why not

[lethal roost]

it's mostly just really weird levels until you get the exp. share and grinding is just a pain in the ass
theres a patched version with debug enabled iirc so you can just get candies but i have trouble finding a version of it that isnt just a virus

[lusty oxide]

Bruxish is clearly the best pick

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[tranquil dust]

What I really liked Insurgence

[thorny ferry]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tranquil dust]

played it as a nuzlocke, but lost mid-late game

[thorny ferry]

Top 3 tier?!?!!?!? Completely unseen before

[tranquil dust]

yeah I like Bruxish hehe

[high haven]

I've seen the fusions and in all honesty I like them

[lethal roost]

eh i disagree with lycanroc being entirely trash but ok 👍

[lusty oxide]

Vote pachurisu it’s the best pikaclone

[sharp sphinx]

which still makes it not worth addin

[thorny ferry]

Emolga is the best wdym

[tame flax]

Oooh, imagine Slurprisu

[tranquil dust]

still a pikaclone

[tame flax]

Pink Cream squirrel with a slurpy tongue

[tranquil dust]

oops I meant to respond to his vote pachirisu message

[graceful torrent]

oh god ribombee quiver dance + fairy typing on other mons oh god oh no

[lusty oxide]

Pikachu is the worst pikaclone

[thorny ferry]

Yeah, but I like emolga in specific because it can make sky-diving fusions

[tranquil dust]

yeah I like Emolga, my "still a pikaclone" was supposed to be in response to "Vote pachurisu it's the best pikaclone"

[graceful torrent]

with emolga we're one step closer to the ultimate fusion

[tranquil dust]

btw with heatran you could get steel/bug pokemon with flash fire

[lethal roost]

if you are interested in broken garbage, have you considered Araquanid

[ornate lantern]

yes agreed

[thorny ferry]

Oh. My. God.

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/speedoru-edgeworth-hmmm-gif-26028962

[ornate lantern]

Vecter??

[graceful torrent]

okay so i think all pikaclones should evolve like how pikachu evolves into raichu

[tranquil dust]

that would just mean more pikaclones o:

[lethal roost]

no. we let a pikaclone evolve in SV and it wasn't worth it.

[frozen oyster]

Bunnelby is precious and should be cherished.

Diggersby is also cute in its own way.

[high haven]

It stayed the same

[graceful torrent]

yeah imagine if like pawmi evolved twice and didnt change a fucking BIT

[tranquil dust]

by "evolve" you mean it stood up

[ornate lantern]

Plusle and minun best pikaclones C:

[lethal roost]

yes

[tranquil dust]

it literally looks the same across all 3 stages, with the only difference being it standing up

[graceful torrent]

YEAH fuck pawmi. give me a plusle+minun evolution with parental bond

[tame flax]

i think pawmot is great, his little grabby hands are little defibrillators

[sharp sphinx]

they dont do multiple mons evoin to one thing

[lethal roost]

yeah, it should've only been Pawmot though. we did not need pawmi or pawmo

[thorny ferry]

Don't talk shit to pawmo, it can't stand up for itself

[graceful torrent]

just because they havent done it, doesnt mean they WONT do it

[tranquil dust]

there's a lack of 3-stage evolutions in SV in general and one of the few we get is this?

[graceful torrent]

for example whats the difference between that and a pokemon fusion (like, kyurem and calyrex)

[ornate lantern]

yes!!! finally some love for my boys C:

[tame flax]

maybe, but this isnt exactly like the IF poll, they dont really need to concern themselves with slots

[lusty oxide]

I wish pawmo didn’t exist then the line would get less hate

[high haven]

I would think very little about Pawmot, if it weren't for the fact my brother in his playthrough of Violet had a Pawmot named 64 paw since the beginning

[lethal roost]

even then I still think Pawmot is the lowest Pikaclone for me, finally dethroning Plusle and Minun as the king of trash

[tame flax]

plus

hes pretty beeg, like i think the beegest pikaclone

[ornate lantern]

hey plusle and minun are not trash just misunderstood!

[tranquil dust]

pawmot is at least useful with revival blessing and tera electric double shock (I hate terastalization with a burning passion)

[thorny ferry]

I just care about designs tbh

[lethal roost]

aw man i cant wait for tera to mysteriously disappear next gen so all these strategies vanish into the wind

[tame flax]

i dont think itd be mysterious since theyve already tied it specifically to paldea

[tranquil dust]

at this point, losing megas was worth it, because imagine having to play with dynamax and tera for every coming game 💀

[frozen oyster]

It's a shame that Terra types are likely alot less fun in competitive but I really liked seeing the Gym Leaders use their ace pokemon that weren't the same type

[tranquil dust]

metagame would be absolute cancer (I mean it already is yk)

[ornate lantern]

imma go to youtube for a bit bbs

[thorny ferry]

The dynamaxed terastalized shiny mega-rayquaza about to use a z-move with x4 attack:

[lethal roost]

can i talk about how much this pisses me off?? "it looks like a Salamence under the influence of a phenomenon from another region"
yes i Get it we don't have Mega anymore stop doing this shit

[tranquil dust]

would do like half to garganacl (broken bs mon)

[frozen oyster]

Normal Type Grimmsnarl suits its shiny pretty well, and I really enjoyed my Mono Normal Playthrough in Scarlet.

[lusty oxide]

A terastalised dymaxed mega Pokémon using a z-move

[graceful torrent]

honestly its a shame that none of the aces in this gen were actual gen 9 pokemon, just previous gen pokemon with tera

[high haven]

https://tenor.com/view/christine-scream-horror-car-gif-17132085

[frozen oyster]

Oh God you're right. I completely missed that

[tame flax]

Terastal Raid Theme intesifies

[graceful torrent]

yo do YALL remember when gym leaders pokemon had berries on them

[tranquil dust]

honestly I would have preferred gym leaders to have pokemon of their own type tera into different typings

[tranquil dust]

back when Pokemon games had at least some challenge in them yeah

[lethal roost]

nah Iono using the Mismagius with Levitate and T-Electric was funny af

[tranquil dust]

but also I didnt play SV so idk

[graceful torrent]

yeah THAT was clean

honestly some of them were pretty good, additonally sudowoodo with grass tera

[tame flax]

Trulywudo was pretty funny too

[lusty oxide]

Damn imagine Pokémon games making you use a different strategy than clicking the super-effective move

[lethal roost]

aw man new champion i hope her team comp makes any goddamn sense and she doesn't use the obvious lead pokemon as her ace and put it in the back of the--
goddamnit

[sharp sphinx]

mold breaker

[lethal roost]

she has the 🐐 though so i forgive her for making a teambuilding mistake

[sharp sphinx]

she also doesnt use kingambit last

[tranquil dust]

oh boy I can't wait for the champ's team. Hopefully she won't use 2 extremely mid gen 6 pokemon for no apparent reason

[tame flax]

imagine if that were her lead, and instead her ace were your games version of paradox volcarona since shes been to the crater before

[thorny ferry]

They should've made a dragon-type gym leader have a charizard so it can tera to dragon

[lethal roost]

...gogoat is perfectly solid

[frozen oyster]

Geeta isn't as bad as Diantha at least

[lethal roost]

like this is an extremely usable pokemon

[vestal wharf]

just realized what nacli's name came from

[tame flax]

Extremely

[sharp nebula]

eh usable sure, but not good

[frozen oyster]

Gogoat having base 531 stat total STILL shocks me

[tame flax]

as fusion material it can be good as a head or a body

[graceful torrent]

tera bug teddiursa? meh, fury cutter is weak
tera water crabominable? meh, too slow to pull off a crabhammer
tera normal staraptor? didnt have strong enough moves for it (literally just facade, didnt even have guts)
tera ghost toxtricity? IT HAS HEX and like no other support for status in the whole team
tera psychic florges? pointless! WHY
tera ice altaria? like i dont see the point

[tranquil dust]

its stats are good, but coverage is ass

[lusty oxide]

Yea the whole line has NaCl their names

[lethal roost]

base 531 is more than a lot of starters have

[steep glen]

Shouldent it make the most sense to but the Shogun at the end

[frozen oyster]

Exploud... so desperately needs a stat buff... it's a 3 tier evo and had 480/490 base stat total...

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/kotonoha-akane-kotonoha-akane-kotonoha-aoi-aoi-gif-18077709

[sharp nebula]

but the spread is pretty bad

[tranquil dust]

teta altaria turns 4x weakness into resistance ig

[lethal roost]

it gets Earthquake and Rock Slide fym

[tame flax]

and i think wild charge too

[lethal roost]

why? because it's not minmaxed to hell and back?

[tranquil dust]

I stopped playing after gen 7 idk lol

[graceful torrent]

honestly grusha not having abomasnow to setup snow is a crime as well

[vestal wharf]

if you can add a piplup fusion then i will gladly vote for it

[tame flax]

and milk drink and horn leech for recovery

[lusty oxide]

The gogoat could have had a better moveset

[steep glen]

BEE QUEEN IS NOT redundent

[sharp nebula]

its only good stat is hp

[graceful torrent]

they need to give us like an ice gym thats one of the first ones where we dont have a billion answers to ice type pokemon

[tame flax]

have you looked at it? its actually solid

[tranquil dust]

or just use strong ice types

[lethal roost]

no, gogoat's movepool is kinda silly
Wild Charge, EQ, Rock Slide, Play Rough, Zen Headbutt

[thorny ferry]

Forgor to post the daily bruxish propaganda

[tranquil dust]

like the ice gym in platinum was pretty challenging

[lethal roost]

it doesn't need much more than that to be threatening

[frozen oyster]

Man it makes me wish there were a like, buff you could give to pokemon with base stat totals less than 450 to make them usable much further to the end game. I croconaw is adorable :c

And like that one time Ashs fletchling beat a talonflame! Like come on!

[graceful torrent]

give me snow warning with slush rush pokemons

[lusty oxide]

No because I’m pretty sure I oneshotted it in both of my playtroughs

[tame flax]

and then you can fuse with someone else to double up on some other moves

[graceful torrent]

that one gets a weird pass because its permanent hail with snow cloak double team froslass.

[tame flax]

take a look, a peek, a gander

[lethal roost]

"permanent" hail mfs when I use Sunny Day

[tame flax]

not many mons learn bulldoze by level up, not even a lot of ground types, let alone a grass type, and at such an early level too

[tranquil dust]

yeah, but all the other ice gyms were ass lol

[graceful torrent]

i mean abomasnow doesnt come in until the end so youre not dealing with snow with sneasel or piloswine

[lethal roost]

it learns Bulldoze before it evolves, at 26

i remember fuckin uhhh Grant's Amaura being a pain in the ass all the time

like forever and always

[lusty oxide]

I wonder if her battle would be harder if her Pokémon where like level 70 or something

[tame flax]

actually you know what, pair it with tyrantrum, rock head double edge wild charge for days

[lethal roost]

the level doesn't really matter, it's more the order she uses them in

people can grind levels

[thorny ferry]

Imagine the amount of alts some castform fusions would have

[frozen oyster]

Diggersby/Machamp would have six arms

[graceful torrent]

interestingly, ice is one of the six types that has had a type specialist in each region

[lethal roost]

all raising her levels does is make the grind more annoying, it doesn't fix the issue (which is that she uses her mons in the wrong order)

[tame flax]

and theyre all ears

[lusty oxide]

Yeah ofc glimmora should have been her lead and kingambit her ace with terra dark

[high haven]

Shit looking back I had a Pokémon that perfectly countered each of her pokemon.
Ninjit/Lokix counters Espartha, Gogoat & Valuza
PepperJack/Skeledirge counters Espartha, Gogoat & Kingambit
Salt Mine/Garganacl counters Valuza, Avallug & kingambit
Klunkette/Tinkaton counters Avullug
Excalibur/Seviper counters Gogoat, Kingambit & Glimmora
And though Lost Cause/Hypno doesn't counter any of them, he did get to solo Glimmora with calm mind, stored power & leftovers.

[lethal roost]

you don't really need to counter Avalugg it dies if you gently tap it with an Aura Sphere

that's the other thing, she should not be using Avalugg even if I like it

[frozen oyster]

Diggersby also brings in construction themes given that its ears are based uuuuh, bulldozers and whatnot

[graceful torrent]

ah yes the widely distributed move aura sphere

[sterile verge]

or flamethrower
or power gem

[lethal roost]

Baxcalibur would've been genuinely threatening, for instance

[lusty oxide]

Defensive ice type

[sinful sky]

And also fitting since it debuted in that game

[crude garden]

What would have made baxcalibur intimidating?

[graceful torrent]

honestly they just need to give more ice type pokemon baxcalibur's ability

[lethal roost]

its not even a "defensive ice type" issue it's just an avalugg issue

[tame flax]

absolutely, and imagine thered be at least one rreference to shofu

Diggersby tho?

[graceful torrent]

or even better yet, well baked body

[high haven]

Yeah he dies to a single torch song

[lethal roost]

put Wind Rider on Hoppip, Tropius, and idk Shiftry

[tame flax]

its not that tis defensive, its that its a slow ice type, sadly when almost every mon knows something youre weak to, a slow speed is a death sentence

[graceful torrent]

shiftry gets tailwind?

[sharp sphinx]

vote yveltal

[sterile verge]

literally torch song sweeps her entire team
its so deoressing its funny

[lusty oxide]

Yeah that’s another problem avalugg’s special defence is terrible despite the main types that are good against it use mainly special moves

[lethal roost]

yes actually i hadd to double-check, move tutor

[sharp sphinx]

fighting, rock

[graceful torrent]

steel is also a primarily physical type

[lethal roost]

tbf most teams are gonna have a fire-type or something that knows a fire move

[high haven]

Thank God I didn't do that and had each of my pokemon beat each of hers

[graceful torrent]

with notable exception moves like flash cannon and-

[lethal roost]

so what im hearing is that magnezone sweep?

as usual

[lusty oxide]

The main problem with avalugg is still that it’s so easily countered by special moves

[graceful torrent]

252 SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 722-852 (183.2 - 216.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[high haven]

Okay actually a steel type defensively completely cripples her team

[lethal roost]

yeah avalugg really really shouldn't be there. it's still not the worst thing i've seen on a champion team, that'd probably have to go to Hau's Eeveelution for having a garbage movepool

[lethal roost]

the only thing that hits it neutrally STAB is Veluza and I don't think Veluza can one-shot, and it dies to Thunderbolt anyway

[lusty oxide]

I wish avalugg had better special defence

[graceful torrent]

gogoat could have been a decent counter to magnezone if it used a ground coverage instead of zen headbutt

why do FOUR of her pokemon have psychic moves/coverage

[high haven]

Okay body press does deal big damage, but Avalugg is weak to steel

[lethal roost]

yeah i wish avalugg was usable too
instead gamefreak made H-Avalugg which took everything that was wrong with avalugg and multiplied it by trash

[tame flax]

its a terrible shame too

[sterile verge]

i low key really hope castform just passively gets in because he really deserves to

[lethal roost]

yeah that goat genuinely shouldn't have ZH

[sharp sphinx]

part of the design of it is to be a strong phys tank with low special defense, aggron has the same

[lusty oxide]

They should have champions give their Pokémon held items more often

[lethal roost]

two of them just straight-up are psychic and I wouldn't mind as much if they were able to use their gimmick

like Veluza should know its signature there's no reason it needs aqua jet

[sharp sphinx]

what is passively?

[high haven]

Like scolipede

[sharp sphinx]

feels like they purposeuly neutered her team, why ya need diiculty modes

[graceful torrent]

fillet away is just like... a worse belly drum

[woeful nebula]

not reading allat

[sharp sphinx]

theres no morestaff choices

[sterile verge]

glimora being in the back and kingambit being in the middle was just why

[woeful nebula]

boo-womp

[high haven]

I know that

[lethal roost]

i dont mind kingambit being fifth, it's not super terrible, but Glimmora should not be her ace

[graceful torrent]

okay so... ill give that some kind of excuse because glimmora can hit surprisingly hard

[crude garden]

Do you know that or are you guessing?

[sharp sphinx]

I know they've said

[lusty oxide]

Gogoat should be her ace

[graceful torrent]

130 special attack with 86 speed isnt bad per say

[crude garden]

Oh okay, got it

[sharp sphinx]

theres one contest winner draw thing

[lethal roost]

its not that glimmora hits hard, it's that glimmora's Thing is being a lead and setting t-spikes with its ability
it can do both if you set it up right

[woeful nebula]

kingambit would make more sense 🤓

[sterile verge]

gogoat is fine tbh it does its job

[lethal roost]

finally a good fuckin pokemon champion

[lusty oxide]

What if her mons had held items

[graceful torrent]

okay so shoutout to the paldean pokemon league for having paldaen aces

[crude garden]

Goomy my beloved

[graceful torrent]

okay why did i think staraptor got guts as an ability

[lethal roost]

you're thinking of swellow maybe?

[high haven]

Focus sash so that they don't get one shot by torch song

[vast portal]

Lilligant would like to be in the game.

[graceful torrent]

i sure am yeah

[lethal roost]

-remove torch song
fixed it

actually just remove all of the paldea starters' signature moves they're all stupid

[graceful torrent]

i like aqua step :)

[lethal roost]

aqua step is fine but if im removing the sigs it has to go

[high haven]

I like torch song just for how hard I laughed the first time I saw its animation

[lethal roost]

alternatively nerf Aqua Step to the same power as Flame Charge and make it a standard move instead of a sig

[lusty oxide]

A 90 power move with guaranteed crits

[stone cliff]

... why did I think Gogoat was a mythical

[lethal roost]

and it never misses because why would you want to try and avoid it?

[crude garden]

Lol

[lethal roost]

gogoat should be in more events tbh

[alpine rune]

"NOOO IM SUPPOSED TO BE BULKY I HAVE +6 DEFENSE"

My weed cat: Wanna see something cool? *crits

[stone cliff]

He just looks like a mythical pokemon to me and I can't really explain why

[lethal roost]

good god though, if Flower Trick were a type that was better offensively it'd be one of the best moves in the series

[summer apex]

Aqua Step is funny for Dancer shenanigans

[lethal roost]

oh shit it works with dancer? poggers

[crude garden]

Oh?

[lusty oxide]

Haha funny oricorio ability

[lethal roost]

i had a randomizer with double battles where I had a Dancer mon and a QD mon and it was hilarious

[lusty oxide]

Double battles are under utilised in S/V

[lethal roost]

trainer battles in general imo

[lusty oxide]

Yeah all the battles with regular trainers are optional

[crude garden]

Flux has a good mix of singles and doubles

[summer apex]

It's one of 4 damaging moves that work with dancer, and the only physical one

[tame flax]

itll be a standard move next gen, like darkest lariat and blaze kick

[lusty oxide]

Clangorous soul is affected by dancer

[tame flax]

This was actually the inspiration for a bug dragon dancer pokemon idea since, arguably, the best dancing moves are quiver dance and dragon dance

[alpine rune]

Omg it's actually slurpuff

[summer apex]

Quiver Dance followed by Petal Dance

[tame flax]

In my silence i have decided to don the mantle of the puff

[lusty oxide]

Eventually everyone in this chat will be a pokemon

[late harbor]

Yes

[sharp sphinx]

gen 8 moves are irrelevet here

[late harbor]

I will hold out for now

Pikmin queen is fine for now

[woeful nebula]

pikmin

[lusty oxide]

Pikmin queen?

[crude garden]

We still need a bug dragon right? Applin was grass dragon and now we have ice dragon

[tame flax]

weve had ice dragon since gen 5

[woeful nebula]

boo-womp

[late harbor]

My profile pic

[crude garden]

Oh right kyuurem

[lusty oxide]

Kris get the bulborb

[late harbor]

Kris get the banana bulborb edition

[tame flax]

since the idea is dancer, i made it an idol moth with the weird tentacle things used as pretty ribbons that dances and sings, and happens to be as greedy as a dragon

[tranquil dust]

Flygon is bug/dragon in my heart

[lunar mica]

Is there a link to this?

[crude garden]

Rip what could have been

[lunar mica]

Nvm it’s in pinned

[crude garden]

In the pins

[lusty oxide]

Uhm actually it’s a whiptongue bulborb🤓

[late harbor]

Idk i don't play pikmin just saw this in another server and queen is cool

[sharp sphinx]

can we avoid discussing pikmin 4 details here, don't want spoilers also even if this was the right chat you should be using spoiler tags if they are spoilers

[lusty oxide]

What the whiptongue bulborb was in Pikmin 3 too also it’s a regular enemy

[sharp sphinx]

ah envisioned something different than just that

[lusty oxide]

Anyway you should play Pikmin 4 it’s an amazing game

[late harbor]

Anyone here knows who queen is

[tame flax]

Freddie Mercury

[lusty oxide]

She’s a computer

[late harbor]

Yes finally

[lusty oxide]

And teenagers are stupid
Adults are big stupid

[sharp sphinx]

imagining somebody with rapper name lil' stupid

[tame flax]

Thats not too strange seeing as we got Da Baby

[lusty oxide]

Imagine a rapper with the name lil’ girls

[late harbor]

I enjoy tolerating you (LIE)

[lusty oxide]

Burgley is a fun character (LIE)

[earnest mortar]

Vote for Doggo and slug dragon...

[sharp sphinx]

[late harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/berdly-deltarune-burghley-heart-locket-gif-24514164

[tranquil dust]

don't vote for dog*

[tame flax]

vote for all dogs

[tame flax]

Slurpuff, Manectric, Lycanroc, and Furfrou

[lethal roost]

Mightyena?

[tame flax]

cat

[lethal roost]

i mean true

[tranquil dust]

Slurpuff yes, Manectric sure why not, Lycanron absolutely not, Furfrou eh

[tame flax]

What do you have against Lycanroc?

[lethal roost]

my thing with Manectric is I'd like it but not as much as any of the other dogs and there's only so many things I can support

[tame flax]

manectric is surprisingly fun

did you know it gets flamethrower?

[lethal roost]

yeah

[tranquil dust]

bland design, boring gameplay wise

[tame flax]

hes got a dope rock collar and is one of the most fun rock types ive ever used, let alone a mono rock

[tranquil dust]

there aren't many mono rocks I guess

[lethal roost]

not many fast rocks either

[tranquil dust]

I'm generally not a big fan of rock types

[lethal roost]

im making the assumption here that Midday's statline will get used and 112 is blazing fast for a rock

[zenith relic]

Honestly imo, Rockruff coulda been Rock/Normal

[tame flax]

112 speed and 115 attack, he makes a solid body

[tranquil dust]

see that would've made it interesting

[lethal roost]

also Lycanroc has 2 1/2 designs which enhances fusion potential

(I refuse to acknowledge Dusk Form as an entire design)

[zenith relic]

Mhmm
Midnight form could of been Rock/Dark

[tranquil dust]

midnight is actually just a furry mon

[lusty oxide]

(Why does gamefreak feel the need to give rock types ground as a secondary type)

[tame flax]

i imagine fused lycanroc would be dusk form

[ashen temple]

Give me goomy or give me death

[tranquil dust]

(why does Gamefreak refuse to give us a rock/ghost type)

[lethal roost]

tbf that's only the Rhydon and Onix lines and like... larvitar and pupitar

[tranquil dust]

geodude be like:

[lethal roost]

Runerigus was literally right there

[lusty oxide]

(Why is spiritomb not a rock type)

[tranquil dust]

Golurk too

[tame flax]

its really weird, but who knows, they were like that for electric fighting until this gen we got 2 lines, so maybe next gen we'll get 2 or 3 rock ghost lines

[lethal roost]

my point is that game freak hasnt felt the need to make a rock/ground since gen 1 even if I mysteriously forgot Geodude existed

[zenith relic]

Meanwile Gen 4 has got a hatred for Fire Types
Like geez

[sharp sphinx]

whilst having a fire type elite four member

[tranquil dust]

just magmortar and infernape and heatran, but das postgame

[tame flax]

reason 7 of why gen 4 is my least favorite gen

[sharp sphinx]

magmortar is also postgame I believe

[tranquil dust]

Gen 4 with platinum and HG/SS are my favorite gen by far lol

[lusty oxide]

I wanna hear the other reasons

[zenith relic]

That only have 1 fire tyle

[tame flax]

Id sooner replay sword and shield

[sinful sky]

I hate Bronzong for precisely this reason. Cool design, but it was a NIGHTMARE to fight in gen 4

[lethal roost]

aw dude you know what would be funny? what if we advertised, before we made our game, that we were gonna make a cool evolution of a Fire mon from a previous game

but then.... [cackles a bit] we make it exclusive to dual-slot mode... with only one of the gen 3 games... so you need it!!! you need leafgreen!!! wouldn't that be comedic?

[tranquil dust]

that's actually irrational and borderline mentally ill

[tame flax]

Remind me after i Doff the mantle of Slurpuff when the poll ends, i must remain wholesome during this time

[zenith relic]

Thats the reason I wanna see him in this game

[zenith relic]

Huh?

[lusty oxide]

You don’t i don’t try to be wholesome either

[lethal roost]

magmortar wasn't available in DP unless you had one of the gen 3 games. that's the joke ™️

[tame flax]

It is a matter of principle that i keep the wholesome boy wholesome so long as i use his image

[sharp sphinx]

rampardos with mold breaker and earthquake

[lethal roost]

so it's literally just the starters and heatran

fuck it while we're at it let's make one of the other legends require gen 3 to obtain too, should be funny

[zenith relic]

Ooooooh!

[sinful sky]

I got Bastiodon lol

[lusty oxide]

Also stay as Slurpuff

[tranquil dust]

rotom-heat exists too I guess

[zenith relic]

Thats sucks!!, have to get Magmorter by using Leafgreen

[lethal roost]

it wasn't Fire yet

[lusty oxide]

[late harbor]

So does flareon

[cobalt nebula]

Because it’s not a rock? The rock is it’s prison. The Pokémon is the amalgamation of all the evil souls inside it

[tranquil dust]

I know, but it is now

[tame flax]

Like batman, except instead of brooding in alleyways and roofs, i spread positivity and delicious sweet based fusion ideas

[lethal roost]

oh they actually forgot to put Tangela/Tangrowth in DP straight-up, you have to transfer it from an old game

[cobalt nebula]

That’s like wondering why farfetch’d is not a grass type cause leek

[zenith relic]

That even sucks more!

[lethal roost]

yeah platinum fixed a whole lot of the dumbass decisions made in DP... and then BDSP comes along and reverts a lot of them

[lusty oxide]

Why is fadetch’d not a grass type?

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/blown-away-gif-13333808

[tame flax]

Id say because hes in gen 1

[lethal roost]

mmmyes i love... waiting until you get the natdex... to get tangrowth... mmyes what a good pokemon that definitly requires that hurdle

[tame flax]

although

[lethal roost]

at least BDSP lets you get Electivire and Magmortar so it's less bad, still copium though

[lusty oxide]

Hold on isn’t runereigus a rock ghost type?

[lethal roost]

it's ground/ghost for some reason

[tame flax]

In this other server im in, i get a lot of flak for my takes, this is the first time ive called it my least favorite and was entertained to continue

[lusty oxide]

That is such a dumb decision

[lethal roost]

gen 8 is my least favorite gen for having SwSh (mid) and BDSP (actively worse than Platinum)

[tame flax]

i would argue BDSP is an improvement where it counts as someone who actively didnt like the original gen 4 games

[late harbor]

Legends tho

[lethal roost]

gen 4 is comparatively fine. platinum is fine. hgss is... only fixing some of the problems GSC had but still ok

[lusty oxide]

You can’t even call BDSP a gen 8 game it literally has no aspects of gen 8

[lethal roost]

true

[tame flax]

the best thing about gen four is Hisui

[lethal roost]

it's still eighth-gen by timeframe, like how LGPE is seventh-gen even though it has Meltan (which wouldnt be in a Real Game until SWSH)

[zenith relic]

HGSS is like one of my favorite games, is one of early main Pokemon games

[lethal roost]

Meltan is a seventh-gen pokemon that just... doesnt appear in a seventh-gen game lol

[cobalt nebula]

But that’s a Gen 8 region it’s just in universe sinnoh in the past

[lusty oxide]

BDSP is literally a gen 4 game in 3D

[lethal roost]

BDSP is a minor improvement over DP and a major downgrade from Platinum

[cobalt nebula]

He appears in let’s go which is a Gen 7 game.

[lethal roost]

is Let's Go a game? (half-joking)

[late harbor]

Yes it is

[tame flax]

as an outsider, the only difference i see is the lack of the distortion world, which im kind like

eh

[lethal roost]

no, Platinum had an expanded Pokedex and also allowed you to actually use the new Gen 4 cross-evos
BDSP backpedaled on it

[tame flax]

cant you find them in the grand underground?

[lusty oxide]

BDSP is also literally a filler game

[lethal roost]

only some, like Elekid and Magby.

[wet radish]

I normally don't really care that much about the nonlegendary ultra beasts but they're all very good fusion material (except for maybe the two bugs).

[lethal roost]

for instance Tangela is Grand Underground but only after getting NatDex for some stupid fucking reason

[sand mica]

I would rather see one of my favorites in Aromatisse get in the game first...

[tame flax]

Id like to see his X version counterpart get in

[sand mica]

Slurpuff would be interesting to appear. But some of my favorites need to get in or I'll be blooming with rage.

[tame flax]

Let us just be happy with whatever gets in

im sure there will be fun had with all the mons who make it

[late harbor]

Yes

I would be bummed if some of my favorites don't

[frozen oyster]

Or alternatively, we riot over any of the mons that get in!

[lusty oxide]

Heck I’ve even had fun just making fusions for Pokémon that might not make it in

[zenith relic]

Why another Starfish theme, she can even make cool goth fusion potential

[lethal roost]

same, gogoat's not getting in but i will fight for goat

[frozen oyster]

Same. Swoopuff probably ain't getting in, but it was a fun pose to draw

[tame flax]

and while Slurpuff stocks seem to be on the rise, i dont see him winning neither, but its fun to imagine

[sand mica]

But the roster is kinda poor like Mario Kart 8 before Course Booster Pass wave four was without the recent additions of some of my favorite characters in Birdo, Wiggler, and Petey Piranha. Like unless a favorite of mine is a Generation I or II Pokémon, it basically isn't in the game. No Skuntank, no Grumpig, no Mandibuzz, no Aurorus, no Gogoat, no Guzzlord, no Hariyama, no Swalot, no Gourgeist, no Seviper, no Oricorio...

[alpine rune]

man, my favorites never got in but Im happy that sableye did tho.

I'm never a "Fusion possibility" guy, more of a "This is good for doubles" guy

[sand mica]

I'm only a "I want my favorite Pokémon in the game please" kind of guy...

[tame flax]

We've gotten scolipede, tyrantrum, sableye and Froslass, these are all fun mons to play with, im sure the rest will be fun too

[alpine rune]

my favorite are already in the game / one of them is gen 9 so

[sand mica]

More like "Thou Shall Add Thou Favorite Pokémon" maybe...

[lethal roost]

yeah ive already got suicune im happy

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjask-pokemon-flying-pokemon-gif-17882002

[late harbor]

Aside from spheal/lotad same here

[zenith relic]

Another Gothitelle lover I see

[tame flax]

a lot of my new favorite mons are in gen 9 so, im pretty content, and from my experience, some mons may make surprisingly good fusion material

[sand mica]

My later generation favorites are Appletun, Eiscue, Greedent, Orthworm, and Rellor...

I wonder what Belibolt fusions would look like?

[stone cliff]

I'm doing pretty well so far (except no Altaria yet 😦 )

[alpine rune]

i just want shadow tag, not really a gothitelle fan for the design

[lethal roost]

joke's on you I don't like any of the later gen--

[stone cliff]

Sableye and Scolipede were both top 5 for me before they were added

[alpine rune]

My favorite gardevoir clone is Hatrenne.

[tame flax]

he has the best dex entries

[late harbor]

Ceruledge is awesome

[zenith relic]

Oh...

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/hatterene-pokemon-gif-25210946

[tame flax]

i just genuinely think Tsareena is a cool mon, and trop kick is neato burrito

[lethal roost]

if the treasures of ruin have 1000000 fans I am one of them
if the treasures of ruin have 10 fans I am one of them
if the treasures of ruin have 1 fan I am them

[tame flax]

their theme is an absolute bop

[alpine rune]

My argument is that she's ugly

[tranquil dust]

I hate ting-lu, like, a lot

[lethal roost]

eh he's just a silly dude

[alpine rune]

TRUEEE
I had an mp3 on my phone, 30 minute extended

[late harbor]

Yes, same with the west areas

[frozen oyster]

Until someone uses Cut

[alpine rune]

Honestly, thats the reason why I like hatrenne

[tame flax]

Since the ruins seem to be antithetical to the forces of nature, i wonder if they'll get incarnate forms

[alpine rune]

OMG YOU WENT AND ACTUALLY DID IT

[lethal roost]

nah, the Forces Treasures of Ruin are just hella cursed relics

[frozen oyster]

It's design is a 8/10 for me but the moment it's a tiny grey it's a 10/10

[tame flax]

theyre based on monsters that are opposite of the creatures the therian forms of the forces of nature are based on

[lethal roost]

oh shit i never realized. damn.

[night oracle]

hi its been a bit

[lethal roost]

maybe enamorus has a purpose after all

[tame flax]

so its also like an inversion where we are starting with their therian forms and may get incarnate forms later

[tame flax]

yeh, shes the black tortoise of the north

[late harbor]

If we have to have enamorus for chien pao I would accept it

[lethal roost]

no im joking about how i just dont like enamorus (sorry)

[alpine rune]

The last time I asked someone to make Ninjask/meloetta it ended up looking like this:

They fucking requested back

[tame flax]

her belly gem is black, much like how tornadus' is red to represent the red bird of the south

[lusty oxide]

[graceful torrent]

huh?

[crude garden]

That's hilarious

[sand mica]

Why no Swoobat?

[stone cliff]

I find it very boring, even compared to the other bats

[alpine rune]

I like her vibe

[tranquil dust]

"Tik Tok Song" like tiktok doesn't take regular songs and ruin them

[alpine rune]

hence why its tiktok song

[sand mica]

I like how Swoobat looks...

[tame flax]

It also steals enough data to scare hackers and the US military

[frozen oyster]

this thing can teleport and has the ability to sense any strong emotion within several mile radius.

It will simply teleport behind you and slam your head through your desk.

[lusty oxide]

I agree with you for once

[tame flax]

The Almightiest Vibe Check

[fossil kelp]

I expected tyrantrum to get in and I expected an ice type to get in. I have no idea who will get in next

[zenith relic]

Vibe check is her number 1 priority

[tame flax]

i imagine golisopod

[fossil kelp]

Prob

[lethal roost]

id like golisopod hes funny

[stone cliff]

That's fair, just ain't my thing lol

[tame flax]

im looking forward to using him without his ability, and having a water type body is pretty solid

[alpine rune]

Now that you think about it, Hatrenne is just a whimsicott in a mech suit

[tame flax]

its funny that she isnt the only 8th gen mon in a hair suit

[lusty oxide]

Golisopod with stab razor shell

[late harbor]

Spheal?

[alpine rune]

wait there is another?

[tame flax]

Grimmsnarl

[frozen oyster]

Grimmsnarl uses Hair like Muscle Fiber, effectively turning it into Power Armor

[tame flax]

Like a Venom Suit

[alpine rune]

I mean his legs are visible, so I'd assume he has full body

[lusty oxide]

I like how hatrenne’s actual body is on top of a pillar of hair

[graceful torrent]

wow i didnt expect grimmsnarl to have a happy trail

[tame flax]

he does, but the hair empowers him

[alpine rune]

meanwhile hatrenne

[zenith relic]

Imagine being a simp for a tiny alien

[alpine rune]

ah

[tame flax]

whats weirder is that its that hair that gets simped, not the alien

[alpine rune]

I never really read pokedex

[lusty oxide]

I like how the Dex calls it splendid in violet

[tame flax]

of course its splendid, hes like the hair man in the bibl, whats his face

[graceful torrent]

if i could make my hair look like breasts and a nice ass i probably would as well

samson?

[tame flax]

thats the guy

[zenith relic]

Mhmm

[alpine rune]

wait so Hatrenne and Grimsnarl are two sides of the same coun?

[frozen oyster]

yup!

[tame flax]

yeh, theyre a pair

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-disgusted-yikes-huh-what-gif-17313939

[lusty oxide]

This chat is hell

[graceful torrent]

hastune miku you are NOT real

[zenith relic]

Well, I heard they are counterparts
Gardevoir - Gallade
Gothitelle - Reuniclus
Hatterene - Grimmsnarl

[alpine rune]

The moment you stepped into this server, youve already reached the second layer of hell. I thought youd knew this by now

[lusty oxide]

[alpine rune]

GOTHITELLE AND REUNICLUS ARE COUNTERPARTS?!

[lethal roost]

kind of

[zenith relic]

Yeah, since they both psychic types

[frozen oyster]

they appeared in the opposite versions of gen 5 and are both psychic

[lethal roost]

oh they're version exclusive to each other that's why

[lusty oxide]

Aaand he died

[lethal roost]

the difference is one of them is trash in battle and the other is reuniclus

[lusty oxide]

👍

[zenith relic]

Heeey, Gothitelle is not bad when you used Trick Room

[alpine rune]

The only reason i want gothitelle is shadow tag and nothing else. I dont wanna use wobuffet

[graceful torrent]

or if you use it in a format that allows shadow tag

[lethal roost]

tbf the same is even more true of reuniclus

[alpine rune]

I mean, so is reuniclus

[zenith relic]

HA!!!

[crude garden]

Trick room avalugg in doubles

[alpine rune]

I think doubles has always let shadow tag legal tbh

[tame flax]

The best way ive used reuniclus is fused with electrode, totally recommend

[frozen oyster]

Jelly Bean Homunculus is cute. Reminder that Reuiniclus is also based on Amplification, so fusing it with Exploud would be. Dire.

[graceful torrent]

i thought it was based on cells

[frozen oyster]

multiple things, Cells, Amplification, Homunculi

Its arms are supposed to be like, a bar going up to red

[tame flax]

This is a pretty solid boi

[lusty oxide]

The other way around has bad stats lol

[tame flax]

not only is this one fast, it has recoilless mind blown

[lusty oxide]

Wait it can get mind blown?

[tame flax]

from the move expert

[lusty oxide]

Yeah but why though

[tame flax]

because electrode fusions get it from the one island move expert

[lethal roost]

move expert can teach signature moves of mons that aren't in the game based on certain parameters

[lusty oxide]

Wait all electrode fusions get it?

[tame flax]

yup

[lethal roost]

for instance, any Celebi fusion can learn Geomancy from the legendary move tutor iirc

[lusty oxide]

I should use electrode more

[graceful torrent]

celebi bibarel simple geomancy power herb

[tame flax]

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Move_Expert_Move_Lists

[tame flax]

and with reuniclus magic guard, he takes no damage from it himself

[graceful torrent]

https://i.imgur.com/acF72tH.png look how cute this lil bastard is

[lusty oxide]

I got a reaction image but I don’t know if I can use it lol

[graceful torrent]

God would want you to post the reaction image

[tame flax]

just about every move that everyone has been wanting a mon in so that there can be access to that move is on that list, its just no one knows about it for some reason

[alpine rune]

wait what happens if you fuse bidoof/gible

[lethal roost]

tbf I didn't know Delibird had Snow Warning in IF before and I still want a Snow Warning mon because fuck that

[tame flax]

that reminds me

[tame flax]

i would like Scrafty in just to fuse with slowking so he can finally have his pants

[lethal roost]

no way... the Bible...

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-gif-26230616

[lusty oxide]

The holy bible

[lethal roost]

man if only garchomp got ddance so Bible could have Simple DDance it'd be kinda funny

[alpine rune]

Lord and saviour bidoof

[vestal wharf]

it should be a book

[crude garden]

Live action one piece comes out tomorrow

[vestal wharf]

im downloading 5.3 now

[alpine rune]

Make one, I'm not

[tame flax]

for oda's sake, lets hope it breaks the expectations

[vestal wharf]

i found out that some of my sprites were added

[vestal wharf]

ay yall, which fusion with piplup you want me to make? accelgor or toxicroak? (a for accelgor, t for toxicroak)

[crude garden]

He was supposedly involved at every step, and him not looking the first cut is what caused the delay. I'm cautiously optimistic

[pure cloud]

Me when no Meloetta

[alpine rune]

Make the bible

[tame flax]

same, did you see the gift that cast made for him?

[late harbor]

C for ceruledge

[vestal wharf]

let me cook

[vestal wharf]

i wish ceruledge was being added ngl

[crude garden]

No, I haven't

[late harbor]

Fr

[tame flax]

his own denden mushi

[alpine rune]

I wish meowscarada gets added

[vestal wharf]

ceruledge piplup would look fire

[late harbor]

I know

[crude garden]

That's hilarious

[vestal wharf]

YOU NEED TO LEAVE... NOW!

[lethal roost]

https://tenor.com/view/facade-trip-kicked-out-melon-gif-26085777

[vestal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[tame flax]

Meowscarada is cool

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-mf-meowscarada-pokemon-gif-27368822

[vestal wharf]

we dont need any more r34 fusions

[tame flax]

shes straight outta P5

[lethal roost]

i mean i dont think people would do that with Meowscarada but ok????????

[late harbor]

I love sprigatito but being a furry goes too far

[vestal wharf]

how about i grab a fire ghost type with 2 swords

[lusty oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/mftone-leavannytone-leavanny-watch-yo-tone-gif-1253901450687840945

[vestal wharf]

they do 💀 and floragato

[lethal roost]

we have sprite managers for a reason though

[vestal wharf]

still

[late harbor]

And access to close combat

[crude garden]

Anything too thirsty gets the ban hammer

[vestal wharf]

every miltank fusion went past it , some lopunny ones did that

[lethal roost]

more to the point, we can't have Meowscarada so nothing matters

[alpine rune]

How do you look at the cat and thoug "mm yes iwanna r34 "

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/floragato-rock-gif-27545593

[vestal wharf]

furry mons

[alpine rune]

I thought the same too, but then i used it and its my favorite grass type now

[sand mica]

Who even likes this stupid cat anyway?

[lethal roost]

i do :(

[late harbor]

Same

[vestal wharf]

i picked it because i like sprigatito

[tame flax]

Why do you think theyre stupid?

[sand mica]

It totally ruined the grass starter line! Why did it suddenly turn into a cat?

[alpine rune]

Me, and Im tired pretending I dont

[tame flax]

what?

[vestal wharf]

my first impression on meowscarada and floragato wasnt good

i didnt like it at first lol

[alpine rune]

Counter Argument:

[lethal roost]

i mean yeah i wish Meowscarada was quadruped like a lot of other people but I don't mind that it isn't. i still like it.

[vestal wharf]

i thought it was fucking ugly

[alpine rune]

This looks cool wym gamers?!

[vestal wharf]

what if i have a skeledirge?

[lethal roost]

knock off moment

[vestal wharf]

my first time seeing the starter trio final evos i just didnt like it

[late harbor]

Or a ceruledge which is faster

[vestal wharf]

quaquaval was weird, skeledirge was... whatever it was, meowscarada just didnt appeal to me

[sharp sphinx]

this doesnt really relate to channel

[lethal roost]

Skeledirge just looks off to me for some reason. like the design feels like it should look fine and it just... doesn't

[tame flax]

i think theyre some of the best designed starters yet, and skeledirge makes me smirk for reasons that would be deemed heretical, down right blasphemous, in the community

[sand mica]

The best starter from that generation was the water one. The dancing one is cool.

[late harbor]

When I saw them I was validated because my predictions came true

[vestal wharf]

choice scarf

[sand mica]

I don't get why the fire one suddenly had to turn into a feral quadruped.

[lusty oxide]

I like meowscerada

[vestal wharf]

crocodile.

[lethal roost]

what if i... scarfed the meowscarada

[vestal wharf]

nah

[sharp sphinx]

lets circle back to voting discussion, bitey bois for the win

[tame flax]

imagine if meow had sniper as their HA

[lethal roost]

imagine if meowscarada had pre-nerf protean

[late harbor]

Here me out tho round and hat bois

[vestal wharf]

if accelgor and toxicroak get added, i will create a twitch account and do a livestream of an IF nuzlocke. but thats on release day.

[tame flax]

i think flower trick is strong enough that even then overgrow would be preferable

[alpine rune]

"Oh wait what if it had like +6 Defense Max defense EVs Max HP EVs and +def nature, unaware and like cant get crit and then he tera fire 🤓 and then use counter"

[sharp sphinx]

hear* and I'll take it

[vestal wharf]

i could just use ceruledge and bitter blade...

[late harbor]

Give him lotad hat

[sharp sphinx]

take it to #other-pokemon-games guys

[lethal roost]

what if i dont want to use ceruledge because it was fine until i found out its shiny is genuinely the worst fucking trash garbage of all time

[vestal wharf]

just dont get the shiny then

[lethal roost]

i mean tbf that's basically the same thing as having the shiny

[alpine rune]

I could just do this then to dodonzo 🤓

[vestal wharf]

i outspeed

[sharp sphinx]

take the gen 9 talk elsewhere guys

[sand mica]

That screenshot is from the PS4 game Dreams, by the way. I can tell because of that Imp in the corner. Also it has the Dreams watermark when you zoom in.

[late harbor]

I love him so much

[lethal roost]

oh yeah? welll i uhhh,,, swiwtch into women

checkmate 😎

[alpine rune]

I have scarf + 123 Speed 🤓

[vestal wharf]

i have 4 million speed get good kid

[lethal roost]

i dont know why the trventnatnet is back there also i cant type and dont feel like fixing my mistakes

[sand mica]

Gourgeist is the better one...

[lusty oxide]

Vote leavanny please

[lethal roost]

i mean i want both but i want ttrevenant more

[sharp sphinx]

when you can't even afford pixels

[alpine rune]

Good Argument but I play this card :D

[lusty oxide]

I can’t upscale on my phone lol

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/korone-yes-gif-18408532

[vestal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-24856155

[vestal wharf]

leavanny lopunny is good enough for me to quit life completely

[lethal roost]

im just posting this to break the monotony of agony and suffering in this chat vote gogoat or smth idl

[vestal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[alpine rune]

If the solgaleo line gets into the game, I would consider going to hell too

[sharp sphinx]

one of the reverse cards hit em

[vestal wharf]

i would rather go to hell than use leavanny for fusions
unless something changes my mind

[late harbor]

Oh noes they swapped

[lethal roost]

i mean you could give things cool leaf armor but id prefer idk necrozma or golisopod or aggron for putting armor on things

[lusty oxide]

You are already in hell

[sharp sphinx]

hell is other people voters

[restive halo]

So, assuming muh patterns continue, between friday and sunday the next confirmed mons will be revealed.

[vestal wharf]

i hope its one of the ninjas or frogs
rip greninja

[late harbor]

I hope its my bois

[lethal roost]

prediction: it will not be something i want because my luck so far has been good

[frozen oyster]

I hope its Drampa, slurpuff or Diggersby...

[restive halo]

We got the gem goblin, rock t-rex and snow bois in, so we're at about 6/20 slots filled so far.

[lusty oxide]

I hope it’s audino

[vestal wharf]

definitely not bruxish 😂

[frozen oyster]

It won't be something I want because my luck so far has been bad

[vestal wharf]

or volbeat and illumise

[warm glen]

I have a feeling it could be either Goomy line or Meloetta

[lethal roost]

it'll totally be clamperl or comfey guys trust me

[restive halo]

So assuming it keeps to one reveal per week, it's about 5-14 weeks til done.

[sharp sphinx]

don't think lucks the main factor for unpopular mons cept for the contest winners draw

[frozen oyster]

Clamperl and Comfey are obviously Staff Picks

[vestal wharf]

it better be toxicroak or accelgor

[lethal roost]

well i hope the contest winner pick is a gogoat enjoyer

[restive halo]

Now watch as another group of pokemon are also moved to their own update because votes got out of control for them.

Probably could see legendaries get an update to themselves.

[vestal wharf]

nah fr tho that happened to the starters

[late harbor]

Gogoat cool because I can name it ralsei

[sharp sphinx]

yveltal, also thinkwe need sharpedo for fuse option, exacrill'd also be great

[restive halo]

Excadrill would be 10/10.

[frozen oyster]

I do not care for most if not all the legendaries to be honest, so I'd be fine seeing them with their own section

[lusty oxide]

I hope lilligant is next

[vestal wharf]

accelgor would go hard with fusions

[sharp sphinx]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/3825d70c-10f2-4bf2-8d3e-144563f440fd/d6i5qwg-9807a4cd-8ba1-4e01-849b-8bcd7a7789a4.gif?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzM4MjVkNzBjLTEwZjItNGJmMi04ZDNlLTE0NDU2M2Y0NDBmZFwvZDZpNXF3Zy05ODA3YTRjZC04YmExLTRlMDEtODQ5Yi04YmNkN2E3Nzg5YTQuZ2lmIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.LNLZl2-zPKN8YByHDfa3dsQ3CXThmsRsaCXTfZB314Q

[outer matrix]

Hope that it's either meloetta or lurantis
Both have extremely good fusion ideas:

• meloetta gives out musical themed fusions based off of different music genres
• lurantis can lean into some more Spring Blossom (season) fusions

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/ralsei-ralsei-blunt-deltarune-lore-ralsei-deltarune-gif-25428860

[sharp sphinx]

xerneas close enough to goat

[restive halo]

Lilligant feels like an obvious choice because its dress/gown design just screams "5 billion fusion ideas".

[late harbor]

Yes

[frozen oyster]

Ive been wondering if Meloetta would get chosen, since theres already alot of Waifu Mons

[lethal roost]

a deer is not a goat (but i still want xerneas)

[sharp sphinx]

I think ya can do a lot with yveltal xerneas, there's really strong potential with some of their body parts like the claw horn blades and rainbow horns that can have uses in various parts, staffs wings etc in different fusions
also they they have motifs you can pull a lot from concept wise with gods of life and death, and you can do fun stuff with subverting them like corrupted god of unlife or silly pink or smol death god

[warm glen]

Meloetta just seems like the one mythical to me that no one has anything against besides being a postgame Pokemon

[lusty oxide]

This channel might be deleted soon

[sharp sphinx]

fear him

[crude garden]

Why?

[lethal roost]

vote ends

[sharp sphinx]

vote end was a month at least not max

[raw bison]

Yeah XY(& sometimes Z) have some killer themes, aesthetics and features at their disposal, definitely a 10/10 for fusion design potential

[frozen oyster]

Might be archived?

[late harbor]

Fear his beans

[lethal roost]

i hope this chat stays open until everything's revealed

[woeful nebula]

erm

[lethal roost]

i think it could still stay open after votes end just for speculation on what's getting revealed next

[woeful nebula]

shaymin?

[raw bison]

Just rename it to expansion discussion

[timber bluff]

I have goomys for you

[crude garden]

Send em my way, I'll throw together the next goomaganda, I've got a couple others to add as well

[late harbor]

Eevee still cute when fading out of reality

[outer matrix]

I like this channel since we also get to talk about what fusion ideas could happen if a Pokémon gets voted in

[frozen oyster]

yeah, its basically a Non IF Speculation chat

[timber bluff]

Like dm them?

[lusty oxide]

This should become #speculation

[sand mica]

Don't delete this channel, if you must do something, just archive it. I don't like when stuff suddenly gets deleted.

[crude garden]

Or post them here, I was just worried about missing them

[sharp sphinx]

oblivion bean

[lethal roost]

is this timespace demon babies????????

[sharp sphinx]

theres no time one there

[lethal roost]

[late harbor]

Make dialga goomy and a peaches cover

[outer matrix]

Dialga/goomy is missing
Whoever can make it, can you add in a small dialga-looking helmet on it

[timber bluff]

I'm working on him

[sharp sphinx]

there time demon baby

[lethal roost]

there it is :)

[outer matrix]

Would the Yveltal fusions look just as cool as the Raquaza ones?

[sharp sphinx]

lot could ye

[lusty oxide]

What if you voted leavanny

[outer matrix]

As a person who used leavanny in my first Gen 5 playthrough, I agree with this (even though leavanny may be kind of similar to lurantis)

[crude garden]

The goom army grows every stronger

[sand mica]

Goodra Skuntank?

[late harbor]

Make bidoof goomy

[sharp sphinx]

what about excadril

[woeful nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885640463334387742/1145990903199178833/attachment.gif

[outer matrix]

One for Celebi/goomy?

[late harbor]

Thas not nice

O that would be cool

[summer apex]

Shit wait hold on I have a goomy somewhere

[raw bison]

Fun trivia fact: when I first saw shamins sky forme I thought it was somebody's Sonic OC

[woeful nebula]

lmao

[austere grotto]

wow

[crude garden]

That's not about guns at all

[summer apex]

bam chinchou goomy

[late harbor]

That is an immense insult to shaymin sky

[raw bison]

Yeah lol phone typo my b

[summer apex]

I'm not resizing it because it's part of a set and I'll probably be posting them all at once

[tranquil dust]

whats this one?

[late harbor]

Part of palkia

[sharp sphinx]

gun trivia fact

[outer matrix]

I mean, shaymin's sky form mouth kind of looks like a Sonic character mouth

[raw bison]

In my defense I first saw it as like deviantart fanart in the early 2000s so after a while I was like "why is this Sonic character so popular"

[tranquil dust]

potential joke alt?

[raw bison]

Then I looked it up and learned it was real but also actually a hedgehog and I've been amused ever since

[late harbor]

God save your soul

[late owl]

https://tenor.com/view/marshadow-spectrum-gif-20994495

[outer matrix]

Marshadow would be cool to have, but it seems a bit unlikely rn

[crude garden]

All must join the goom army

But I am running out of space for attribution

[summer apex]

You could probably just have the names

[ebon glacier]

change your real name to goomy

[crude garden]

That's fair, I probably could

[raw bison]

https://imgur.com/jyol81X

Lunch break is over

[solar silo]

https://tenor.com/view/knc-gif-24382603

[timber bluff]

I am going to make dialga and Arceus

[warm glen]

If only it were more likely

I be wasting too much time making as many Marshadow fusion sprites as I can, but at least my other most wanted choice, Froslass is in

[tame flax]

who knows, anyone could be in

[gentle ferry]

Contest entries end soon, so surely new announcement soon

[obsidian cosmos]

cant believe a fan game is the one making me exited for pokemon related announcements

[tranquil dust]

Infinite Fusion is so much better than every official pokemon game it's insane

even the content the game offers without the fusing aspect puts many pokemon games to shame

[warm glen]

Infinite Fusion is better cause just about all of us here help for stuff in the game in some way, suggestions, many sprite artists, content, just voting for new Pokémon here even.

[obsidian cosmos]

true, like this is the reason im back into pokemon, i stopped after SW/SH

[tranquil dust]

yeah same, the only pokemon game I played on the switch was legends arceus, was disappointed and that's it

[tranquil dust]

I'm almost certain goomy & co. make it in

[crude garden]

Even goomdoof?

[tranquil dust]

even goomdoof, yes; especially goomdoof actually

[sand mica]

Please add Skuntank!!!

[obsidian cosmos]

How are you still a spriter applicant, these look so good

[civic harness]

Needs more black outlines and...

[tranquil dust]

I'm extremely new to spriting, but I think I wanna do a goomy fusion for my 2nd sprite

[crude garden]

They're really backed up, I'm just waiting my turn

[tranquil dust]

kinda looks like a squirrel rather than a beaver

[crude garden]

Goomy is easy and hard, working with him helps you to develop an eye for what's really important in individual Pokemon designs

[civic harness]

They must be pokemons that are already in the game

[sand mica]

I have requested yet another Skuntank fusion from thatdude9795.

[tough shore]

I feel like the bottom half should be the color of bidoof belly
and if you are feeling like it, you could also add bidoof face line