pif-hoenn-discussion

[ornate lantern]

Next gen should return to Kanto js

[lethal roost]

sudowoodo got power gem in gen 9 though so I guess the universe is balanced

this is new access to it btw it didn't get it before.

[lusty oxide]

I just like bru’ish fusions cos they’re funny looking

[rocky condor]

Like how the fuck did gamefreak design bruxish and thing "yeah this is fine. No touchups needed." You need a good color pallet for something to look appealing. You use harsh, contrasting colors to distinguish something bad from something good. Bruxish is MADE of contrasting colors.

[tame flax]

but onion flower rock tho

[rocky condor]

nice

[lethal roost]

that's a bit different i'd argue since it's an entirely new pokemon. i guess it means game freak finally remembered not to completely shaft their special attacking rock types this time around

[tame flax]

they found one way to botch it, they made his sig physical

but outside of that, great mon

[lethal roost]

it does look like every Rock-type in Paldea's regional dex except for Lycanroc got access and Lycanroc didn't really need it

[cinder oasis]

It’s just rapid spin basically but gives poison instead of increasing speed

[rocky condor]

and it's not even just that. Let's say you take away everything i find bad about bruxish. The lips,the eyelashes, the teeth, and the colors. It's a basic as fuck fish pokemon. And y'all can say "ooh doesn't that happen for every pokemon?" No. Not at all. Take away Charmander's tail and you still got a firebreathing lizard. Take away zacian's sword and you still have a badass dog pokemon.

[tame flax]

imagine if it were special tho

[lethal roost]

and Drednaw

[kindred knot]

I would use this, ground water/dark with speed boost thick club is glory

[rocky condor]

if you take away what makes bruxish special, you just get a generic fish pokemon. Meanwhile even after taking away what makes other pokemon special, they still look and feel like pokemon

[cinder oasis]

Speed boost is deviously overpowered

[kindred knot]

It is alright for playthrough

[rocky condor]

bruxish just doesn't work. In infinite fusion, OR in pokemon as a whole. Sorry if i was ranting into the void there, just needed to get that out

[lethal roost]

even H-Arcanine got Power Gem and with its stats it could run mixed-attacker Power Gem

[kindred knot]

It works well with Marowak because it is slow as hell

[light zephyr]

im crossing my fingers for noivern, i wanna run sylveon/noivern so bad

[lethal roost]

noivern feels likely tbh

[light zephyr]

yeah, ive seen a lot of people pushing for it

[rocky condor]

Chatot's not getting in are they

[light zephyr]

(plus itll be nice to have a second boomburst user, only one right now is flygon)

[kindred knot]

Refrigerate boomburst

[cinder oasis]

It’s a really good ability in general, definitely one of the best

[stone cliff]

I like it, but I don't think there's much interest

[lusty oxide]

Pixilate boomburst

[lethal roost]

none of the confirmed rock-type DLC mons have Power Gem but none of them should need it in theory

so hopefully if some unconfirmed rock-type that desperately needs Power Gem comes back Gamg Grgak will remember to give it access

[rocky condor]

Im trying so hard but i think im finally realizing no one gives a shit about them. I just wanted music note fusions and pmd references. Chatot's such a good choice but everyone's choosing meloetta and noivern. Noivern takes up two slots and meloetta's most likely gonna be stuck in the postgame.

[white meadow]

Good night

[lone dome]

I did vote 3 for Chatot

[stone cliff]

The problem is most music fusion fans are going for Meloetta, and Chatot isn't super popular among birb fans

[rocky condor]

At least one other person voted for them. I'll take that with a smile

[lethal roost]

I don't think people are voting Noivern for music reasons

[kindred knot]

Noivern only makes LOUD noises

[lethal roost]

...loudredd 🤔

(no im not seriously suggesting loudred over chatot)

[kindred knot]

Exploud over chatot

[rocky condor]

I've been saying it all this time. Chatot works for music note and pmd fusions, meloetta works for song and singing fusions, and noivern works for general sound fusions

[cinder oasis]

Loud red for 3 slots stinks I’d rather have noivern

[stone cliff]

I just want Exploud for AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[lethal roost]

sounds like Guzzlord or Gmax Gengar to me

[stone cliff]

Yeah but I'm biased against voting UB in lol

[kindred knot]

I almost vote all UB 3

I love extreme stat distribution

[lethal roost]

then dont vote them in 👍 we have big mouth

also golbat but people don't really do golbat often

[flat crypt]

hey whats a good area to grind pokemon levels

[kindred knot]

Wrong chat

[stone cliff]

I'm also kind of Gen 3 biased lmao

[flat crypt]

sorry

[lethal roost]

im gen 2 biased so im already happy regardless of what gets in

[stone cliff]

(Vote Altaria, Claydol and Ludicolo pls)

[cinder oasis]

I honestly like gen 7

[flat crypt]

I'm biased to druddigon but I'm cool with anyone else pokemon getting in

[rocky condor]

No offense to the votes but i still find it weird just how many people are voting for legendaries outside of normal pokemon. Almost every legendary and mythical is gonna be postgame locked, meaning you'll have to beat the whole game to play them, or do a randomizer. Like, if you're not doing a randomizer and you voted for a bunch of legendaries, you essentially locked a pokemon YOU voted for to postgame

[kindred knot]

I don’t want any of those

[stone cliff]

I agree, the only Legendaries I voted 3 were the Regis

[cinder oasis]

I only voted Yveltal/Xerneas and kartana

[lethal roost]

i only run randomizer so availability is usually not my problem. that said I don't think we're just going to get entirely legends for the next 14 slots

[stone cliff]

I'm honestly shocked we have 0 Legendaries confirmed so far

[rocky condor]

honestly same. Feels weird to have regigigas without regice, regirock, and registeel

[lethal roost]

maybe they're intentionally waiting for the end to reveal the legends that got picked idk

[stone cliff]

Could be

[lethal roost]

i think Regigigas being in is actually a huge point against the other Regis? i really do feel like their bodies are extremely similar

the only thing I'd want out of any of the Regis now is Registeel heads

[cold fog]

Only legends I voted for were the Regis and Cresselia. Since their counterparts are in the game already :V

[pale osprey]

yea not only do i run randomizers more than anything else but mythicals at least are not postgame locked and in this game the postgame starts at 50% of the game if you think about it

[pale osprey]

agreed

[kindred knot]

unfortunately the regis have nothing too special in their kit

[lethal roost]

at least Cresselia isn't Extremely Similar To Darkrai

[stone cliff]

I mean, their bodies are vaguely similar, but that's like saying Zeraora shouldn't get in because we have Lucario lol

[pale osprey]

nooo no way you think zeraora is close enough to lucario as the regis are to each other

[kindred knot]

Dog and cat are two different animals

[ornate lantern]

Cresselia was a massive surprise to me when I seen her lol Not that I hate her but not what I was expecting

[lethal roost]

I want Zeraora despite myself. Zeraora's issue is that its head fusions are practically Raikou's, not that its body is a furry

[stone cliff]

Rock ice and steel are three different materials

[trail hull]

the snorunt invassion must continue

[rocky condor]

Yeah cresselia is another legendary i voted 3 for. Cresselia is LITERALLY the other half of the duo

[pale osprey]

i want zeraora cuz its cute in a fuzzy edgy kind of way

[trail hull]

also do you guys consider it finished?

[lethal roost]

i think i've got cresselia at 1 or 2, but on its own merits, not because "darkrai is in so it needs to be in too"

[kindred knot]

Couldn’t care less about cressilia

[stone cliff]

I love him

[pale osprey]

yea i have cresselia at a 2 cuz i like how it looks, i really dont care about combos

[stone cliff]

I would argue the difference in silhouette is similar

[trail hull]

Once I saw that cresselia wasn't in I was so shocked it must get reunited with darkrai

[lethal roost]

anyway the issue with zeraora, and why I'm pretty sure I have it at 2 and not 3, is the head-slot being similar to that other electric cat legend mythical powerful pokemon

mild color scheme difference

[kindred knot]

Except zerarora looks cooler

[pale osprey]

yea im more interestedin its body fusions than head fusions, zeraora is a personal 3 cuz i like the mon and its a rare mon no one has used cuz of its horrible release timing

[ornate lantern]

I love darkrai but never knew he was part of a duo and I thought "huh, should be cool"

[lethal roost]

true, but i like raikou more and its already in the game so i dont need to vote it in

[cinder oasis]

And plasma fists

[rough hound]

love zeaora, but it covers the same bases as lucario in terms of fusions

[sand mica]

Is Skuntank confirmed?

[kindred knot]

I think we already have plasma fist

[stone cliff]

Yeah, Gen 4 is one of my favorites and I forget Cresselia exists often lol

[honest tartan]

We do

[lethal roost]

Cool Diamond and Pearl fact: there is an unused event type that releases a Level 40 Darkrai into the wild as a roamer, the same as Cresselia

[pale osprey]

here comes the cursed child that unorinically likes fart jokes, someone nuke him

[lethal roost]

this isnt the same guy

[pale osprey]

ah but he like skunktank, is he ignorant?

[kindred knot]

Tho zerarora would be more consistent as a physical electroc sweeper with plasma fist

[pale osprey]

either he lives in ignorance of the sins of liking skunktank or happily accepts them

[cinder oasis]

I wish electric types had better physical electric moves

[lusty oxide]

If I remember correctly lilligant has the launch codes

[sand mica]

Of course I like Skuntank...0

[honest tartan]

updated list of the number of used pokemon types in PIF (after snorunt line reveal)
ice (17)
fighting (19)
dark (22)
fairy (25)
electric (27)
dragon, ghost (29)
steel (33)
rock (35)
bug (36)
fire (37)
psychic, poison, grass (43)
ground (44)
flying (51)
normal (54)
water (65)

[stone cliff]

I'm resigned to the fact that most of my top 20 aren't getting in, but as long as Altaria gets in I'm content lol. Tyrantrum was in my top 5 so I'm happy there

[pale osprey]

i think im the same, i only really want meloetta the rest ive basically given up on

[ornate lantern]

Gen 4 is when I got into pokemon, I really only collected cards so pulling her wasn't easy I think

[rocky condor]

this is me but for chatot. But i know they're not getting in. Im losing hope. Fast.

[rough hound]

The gang and their kids are finally finished! Please talk to them and their sons again

[lethal roost]

oh man a 120 power physical electric move? let's see who gets it--

[stone cliff]

Really hoping at least Clawitzer gets in, and I'm crossing my fingers for Claydol/Ludicolo, if only because I have a good sprite idea for them lmao

[kindred knot]

Fusion bolt

[cinder oasis]

What about fusion bolt

[honest tartan]

Fun fact: you cant even get volt tackle in PIF without cheating it in

[lethal roost]

thats even less distributed

[lethal roost]

damn fr?

[honest tartan]

Not even from the move tutors
Not even from the egg move teacher

[gusty shuttle]

Guys Glalie body will basically be a floating head right? Or is it the opposite?

[ornate lantern]

How has nearlyy 4 hours gone by O-O

[rough hound]

whoops, i guess toxi and gastro switched kids lmfao

[lethal roost]

glalie body is the floating head

[kindred knot]

Basically electrode, but with a massive mouth

[gusty shuttle]

So Glalie head will be some icy evil mons

[lethal roost]

you've also got The Horror to work with tho

[gusty shuttle]

Ah yes, the ferrero rocher form

[lusty oxide]

His jaw is broken

[ornate lantern]

Glalie would probably be an armor body? Plus Aagron and Glalie yeh or nah?

[stone cliff]

Oh yeah, one of the megas that exists only in suffering

[lethal roost]

oh what the fuck it actually is broken

[sand mica]

Wait, why is Snorrunt getting added before Amaura?

[lethal roost]

because more people wanted snorunt ig

[cinder oasis]

It had more votes for it

[lusty oxide]

Look man mega’s only exist to cause suffering

[ornate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/snorunt-pokemon-dance-cute-gen3-gif-16296603

[gusty shuttle]

Because it's a better pokémon

[kindred knot]

Because froslass

[lethal roost]

see, other than glalie, that was a retcon SM made to idk explain why they didnt feel like adding more megs

[ornate lantern]

because Froslass no lol

[lethal roost]

"Hey you know that thing where you used the power of friendship to make your pokemon really cool looking and stronger??? yeah they were in agony lol"

[sand mica]

Wrong - Amaura is more interesting and cuter!

[stone cliff]

Doesn't Salemence experience such extreme pain that he goes berserk?

[cinder oasis]

Then why did Glalie get in first huh

[lethal roost]

him and Gyarados iirc

[lusty oxide]

Nope it’s because his wings are ruined if I remember correctly

[lethal roost]

Pinsir is the only one off the top of my head where it's a positive interaction

[gusty shuttle]

Is Amaura the dinosaur? More interesting than a floating head demon and a japanese ice succubus spirit?

[sand mica]

This poll must be rigged or something...

[exotic jewel]

Same with Aerodactyl.

[cinder oasis]

Proof?

[kindred knot]

oh snorunt line gets frost breath by level…

[sand mica]

Again they are dodging the Pokémon I actually like...

[stone cliff]

Hot take: Aside from the aurora aspect, Amaura doesn't add much that other mons don't

[cinder oasis]

Aerodactyl actually is just that the rocks hurt so much so it makes him mad

[gusty shuttle]

It really doesn't

[ornate lantern]

It's like my little pony but Pokemon Dinosaur

[cinder oasis]

L

[lethal roost]

meh I've stayed winning so far

[gusty shuttle]

You somehow made it worse than it already is, gg

[lusty oxide]

Also Mega evolving kangaskan ruins the kid

[rough hound]

yall, what would i fuse to make these?

[lethal roost]

the first one has the ears like umbreon

[stone cliff]

I'm doin alright as well

[rocky condor]

stunfisk and gastrodon

[lusty oxide]

The only constant in mega evolution is suffering

[sand mica]

By that logic, the Skuntank line should have been introduced instead of the Lucario one.

[gusty shuttle]

Kangaskhan mega is by far, BY FAR, BY A LARGE FREAKING MARGINE, the worst mega they can ever create

[rocky condor]

at least chatot's high up. Based choices

[gusty shuttle]

Ok now you're trolling

[lethal roost]

pinsir

[kindred knot]

Mega rayquaza:

[rough hound]

u right u right. might just work with that ngl

[lusty oxide]

Pinsir is the only exception

[sand mica]

I'm looking for my favorite Pokémon to actually be in the game... but people keep on voting for the wrong ones...

[rocky condor]

how the fuck is the meanest looking pokemon the most wholesome one

[stone cliff]

Imagine you're just going about your day, and a giant giddy stag beetle flies up and just starts eviscerating you

[sand mica]

I thought that Tyrunt being in meant Amaura would be next, but no... we get something else instead.

[gusty shuttle]

I understand you in a way. Nobody cares about Pidove

[ornate lantern]

You are welcome! just doing my job here c:

[lethal roost]

pinsir missed out on evolving 20 years ago so him getting something over his counterpart excites him

[sand mica]

Isn't this cool?

[stone cliff]

I keep forgetting his counterpart is Scyther and not Heracross tbh

[kindred knot]

Mega heracross

[lethal roost]

it's true, people should only vote for the pokemon I like and ignore their own opinions

therefore, goat time

[sand mica]

What about this?

[gusty shuttle]

It really isn't
Nope
nopenopenope

[sand mica]

I mean, what Pokémon has a card of them jumping over a volcano?

[lethal roost]

grumpig just makes me want emboar back

[stone cliff]

The reason Skuntank pisses me off is because they could have made a much better skunk mon but it was in Gen 4, the one where they flipped a coin to see if the new mons were gonna be some of the best, or some of the worst

[gusty shuttle]

It's also almost in the bottom of my legally binding and mandatory tier list, which you are required to follow

[lusty oxide]

Grumpig is just emboar but it isn’t fire🔥

[ornate lantern]

Maybe they will add more another time?

[rough hound]

get the fireflies out of 1

[lethal roost]

hopefully more optimizations can be found and allow for more, but we don't know that yet, so what we get now might be it

[stone cliff]

Possibly, but I think this is the first time they have added any in like 3 years?

[cinder oasis]

Yes

[lethal roost]

of course, none of the propaganda we post affects anything so just vote for whatever you want (and also goat whether you like it or not )

[stone cliff]

Yeah, this chat is less about actually changing minds and more about containing the insane macro spam that was happening in General

[rocky condor]

Chatot 3 vote. MEGA based

[lethal roost]

consider that after like the first week most people finished voting and people rarely go back and change their minds

[stone cliff]

Pretty much this. I have changed my vote a couple of times, but I'm one of what like ~40 people that are in here often?

[ornate lantern]

Hopefully they can figure somthing in due time and I honestly don't know the last time Pokemon where added I just saw Wildcat play with BigJigglyPanda and liked it a lot

[lethal roost]

oh wildcat's played this? i'll go look that up later

[gusty shuttle]

Don't worry guys, with the rise of A.I. we'll have a Pokémon IF with every single pokémon, and every single fusion made by it so you don't get any chance to use your creativity and will passively consume the product 🙂

[cinder oasis]

Vanoss crew wildcat?

[stone cliff]

We also can't really guess from this chat what could get in, since something like 50-60k people voted

[ornate lantern]

On his new channel Wildcat As Well also kYR_Speedy played it

[sturdy jungle]

Heyyyy more Ice Types!

[lethal roost]

sounds like it

[ornate lantern]

Yes lol

[night oracle]

what is c like i dont care is that the sum of that category

[rough hound]

please talk to us and our sons again

[stone cliff]

C is "meh". Not gonna be mad if they get in, but probably won't use them if they do

[sturdy jungle]

But Gastrodon is awesome

[night oracle]

o ok

[stone cliff]

D is reserved for mons that I actively dislike lol

[night oracle]

lol

[stone cliff]

I have nothing against UB as a design on their own, I just don't think they belong in a pokemon game

[ornate lantern]

Honestly that's 90% of them for me, I already have the gen 4 starters and Gardevoir not to mention Mimychu and now Froslass

[sand mica]

Maybe they can do a refactor of it and make it more of a streamed database, so it doesn't take several minutes to load, and also be able to handle all 850 at once?

[rough hound]

absolutely they are, thats why i made these custom sprites for em =)

also if youd like, my alliance has gastrodon in it and is looking for new members

[night oracle]

i mean they are aliens

[lethal roost]

the alien mons that don't look like pokemon because they're barely pokemon happen to not look like pokemon

[alpine rune]

ICE TEAM BOYS

:DDDDDDDDDD

[sturdy jungle]

Yeah I’ll join, I’ll advocate for 2 awesome guys!

[night oracle]

whats your fav right now (ice type)

[stone cliff]

Yeah but I'm of the mind that just because it's on purpose doesn't mean it's not true lol. For instance, Bruxish is ugly on purpose, but that doesn't make it not ugly

[lethal roost]

i mean if you have an idea on how to do that and you actually have experience with this kind of thing you could tell them??? but this really sounds like putting buzzwords together

[alpine rune]

I mean I would prefer the snow warning mons but heck, this is a win for me

[cobalt nebula]

Oh wow I was so distracted by games I didn’t even see the announcement

[sand mica]

I guess the Paradox variant Pokémon aren't Pokémon either because they were treated the same by Game Freak before their games released...

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/regice-gif-25776744

[night oracle]

yeah ||Avalugg is the best||

[sand mica]

[stone cliff]

I actually feel the same way about the future variants.

[lethal roost]

i mean the paradox forms aren't "real" pokemon they were ||basically the Professor's pipe dreams of what a mon from the future or past looked like||

[ornate lantern]

Wait what's a paradox Pokemon lol

[stone cliff]

I think the future variants are cool, and if the explanation was "some guy made em in a lab and they escaped", I might honestly be more on board

[night oracle]

future varients are just all robots i would have liked more diversity like past forms

[sturdy jungle]

Scarlet and Violet’s third bunch of regional forms, as a basic way to describe it

[lethal roost]

basically at the end of SV you start finding pokemon from the past/future (version dependent) that have an Ability kind of like UBs and heavily resemble existing mons

[rotund pecan]

I hope my boy croagunk makes it 🙏

[sturdy jungle]

We do need more Frogs

I want to build Team Frog in Pokemon Infinite Fusion

[stone cliff]

But the "created from some guy's imagination" stuff is too reminiscent of "Dynamax is just an optical illusion " for me

[lethal roost]

like here's what Volcarona's past and future versions look like. (note: they are not considered Volcarona in any way)

[ornate lantern]

Oh ok, makes since lol would Ceruledge be one?

[lusty oxide]

I wish dynamax was real man

[sturdy jungle]

No

[lethal roost]

Ceruledge isn't based on an existing Pokemon so no. Ceruledge and Armarouge are just version exclusives

[stone cliff]

And both those designs are fucking sick. The future one still pisses me off lol

[lethal roost]

I really, really, really hate how Iron Moth's shiny looks

[cinder oasis]

Unfortunate that future moth has such a stinky typing

[lethal roost]

I cannot stress enough how "make it chrome!!!!" as all of the future paradox's shinies pisses me off

[night oracle]

yeah

[lethal roost]

you could AT LEAST change the coloring on the lights ffs

[ornate lantern]

Ah ok thanks a lot, and is it just me or do Ceruledge and Armarouge look like Evo's for Scizor lol

[stone cliff]

For Ultra Beasts, Blacephalon is such a cool design. And that pisses me off because it's stuck in a game that it doesn't belong in lol

[lusty oxide]

At least the past paradox mons have unique shiny’s

[lethal roost]

well the past paradox mons just have the shiny colors of whatever mon they're based on. it just happens that they're all not literally the same

[lethal roost]

they actually evolve from this little idiot.

[sturdy jungle]

All the future ones feel half assed and lazy

[stone cliff]

Red Marshadow

[lethal roost]

oh and here's the """""shiny""""" of the little idiot in case you're wondering why i'm mad at it

[ornate lantern]

I seen him before, honestly three of the best mons in a while to me atleast

[lusty oxide]

Honestly I would have preferred we got some like GMO Pokémon for the future paradox mons

[lethal roost]

this is actually the most dogshit shiny of all time hands down

[tranquil oasis]

yoir pfp is awesome me love it

[lethal roost]

...well it would be if ceruledge and armorouge also didn't just change their eye color

[cinder oasis]

Shiny buzzwole? There’s a lot worse

[lethal roost]

i wanted aliens

[lusty oxide]

This is especially bad considering shinies don’t make a sound when they spawn

[lethal roost]

at least with a shiny buzzwole I can see that it's shiny

[cinder oasis]

Garchomp and gengar, la la la la la

[lethal roost]

though I would've liked Shiny Buzz a hell of a lot more if the body had been green instead of just slapping the TF2 lime paint on some of its limbs

[ornate lantern]

TBH Gamefreak is getting to ambitious and lazy with their games. I would easily take a game in the style of Emerald or Platnium over full 3-D

[restive halo]

Actually thinking about it, I feel like any new pokemon added needs to pass what I now am calling the G.R.E.A.T. test.

Aka can a new pokemon added create an epic/amazing/cool fusion with Gardevoir, Regigigas, Eevee, Aegislash and Tyranitar.

[lethal roost]

L:A was semi-open-world (a la Monster Hunter) and was fine

[restive halo]

If it can do so with all five, then it's a good choice to enter the game.

[silk narwhal]

i heard that they're pushing back deadlines for gen 10
so we might actually get very polished games

[lethal roost]

oh thank god the developers will actually have time to make a game????

[cinder oasis]

Legends arceus would’ve been much better if they had another like 4 months to work on it, though it’s still honestly a good game

[stone cliff]

Let's not be too hasty

[lusty oxide]

The thing is the higher ups expect the games to be made in the same amount of time despite the fact that the games take more time to produce than ever before

[ornate lantern]

L:A? Sorry I'm honestly knew to this stuff...Gen 4 and Heartgold/SoulSilver is where I stopped

[lusty oxide]

The games need more time to be good

[sand mica]

I saw a fan of Guzzlord saying that Guzzlord is the Ultra Beast that deserved better.

Guzzlord absolutely should be in the game.

[restive halo]

As long as TPCi demands the anime/merch/ect. has to be by X deadline, Game Freak and co never will get extra time.

[cinder oasis]

My biggest problem is the fact that Pokémon games are now like 90 dollars each, it should be like 50

[lethal roost]

Legends: Arceus. it takes place in Sinnoh like 400 years before DP and has entirely different movement/catching mechanics

[silk narwhal]

seems like it
hopium

[restive halo]

Game Freak is basically trapped at the mercy of the series they created with no way out or no way to do better due to mandates.

[lusty oxide]

This is the best Pokémon game since they went 3D

[silk narwhal]

wdym 90 dollars lmao

[ornate lantern]

Honestly that was what I was thinking lol I just coudn't remember the name for the life of me.

[lethal roost]

60 dollars + DLC like SwSh?

[silk narwhal]

the DLC isn't obligatory

[lethal roost]

fair, I didn't get it for either Sword or Scarlet because I don't want more of a game I don't like

[cinder oasis]

No it’s 70 dollars normally not including dlc but on the Nintendo website it’s 80 dollars not including tax

[lethal roost]

but comp players have to get it. urshifu and calyrex weren't really optional in comp

[silk narwhal]

they're 60, not 70

[lethal roost]

i'm actually afraid that like the Teal Mask/Indigo Disk legends will be utterly broken like Urshifu and Calyrex on purpose

[cinder oasis]

No they’re not

[lusty oxide]

Inflation

[silk narwhal]

i bought scarlet for 60 at gamestop

[cinder oasis]

Euros or USD

[ornate lantern]

I got Emerald for PC for free C:

[silk narwhal]

oh right
euros

but 60.98 euros is 65.83 dollars

[lusty oxide]

The games have been getting more expensive lately to learn more look up: Pokémon inflation

[cinder oasis]

With tax that’s around 72

[silk narwhal]

should i get Sw or Sh for 49.98 euros or PLA for 44.98?

[lethal roost]

PLA

[lusty oxide]

PLA is better

[silk narwhal]

i bought it for 60.98, that's it.

[cinder oasis]

3ds games would’ve been around 35 for you then

[lusty oxide]

Pretty sure back in the 3ds era usd was worth more than euro

[silk narwhal]

don't remember

[cinder oasis]

I think so but yeah pokemon games were like 45% cheaper before or more

[silk narwhal]

i think i got an used copy of US for like 20 euros

[fossil kelp]

WOOO we got an ice type in boiissss

[ornate lantern]

I was was just about to say how quiet it was in here lol

[rough hound]

oop, i missed this. thanks so much! its my sona as drawn by a close friend of mine, so ill pass on the message

[kind fern]

Kill me but tbh I feel like Froslass was the main, if not only reason the Snorunt line got voted

[gusty shuttle]

Speaking for myself of course, but Glalie was just a nice extra

[warm glen]

What gender is this

[rough hound]

froslass is absolutely the best of the trio, but all 3 are great mons. especially when it comes to fusion potential

[lusty oxide]

Yes

[lethal roost]

i think all of them are interesting in their own right but froslass was definitely a top reason

[gusty shuttle]

Whatever they want I guess

[lethal roost]

infusion removes the gender requirement for these mons so i think it's safe to say "ascended"

[gusty shuttle]

So are we really getting one update every week? That's torture

[lethal roost]

not really. gives the spriters a bunch of time to make new shiny things

[kind fern]

Uuuuh idk candy cane?

[ornate lantern]

Wait are the others already in? or will they all be added at once?

[warm glen]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-shrug-shrug-shoulders-i-guess-meh-gif-20561170

[gusty shuttle]

Ok...

[lethal roost]

it seems like the reason they're going slow is to give dev time to implement them, as a serious answer

[kind fern]

Too bad I can't enter this comp, I'm leaving for vacation in a few hours
Maybe if I somehow manage to find a way to take my laptop or use my phone then I can make a sick sprite

[lethal roost]

and when i say "dev" i mean "singular dev" #pif-hoenn-discussion message

so it'll be done when it's done ig

[lusty oxide]

He needs help

[lethal roost]

i mean the helper did get sableye into the game fwiw

not that sableye wasn't already mega popular, but it's just a bonus

[ornate lantern]

I understand that, making games takes time and in the words of Obi-Wan "Patience my young padawan"

[lethal roost]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message this as well

so i guess the slow drip of reveals is to tide over the fanbase until the update is done

besides the people who are super excited for froslass and maybe the other two are cranking out sprites like mad rn

[ornate lantern]

I actually really like the slow reveals, it's a good idea

[rocky condor]

wait so when is the update supposed to be done? a week or 2 from now?

[lethal roost]

yeah i dont mind the suspense, i haven't taken an L yet with any of the votes

[ornate lantern]

Look at today's reveal I've been here since 2:30 lol

[lethal roost]

...god only knows when? there wasn't an actual ETA and I don't think asking for one would be helpful

[cinder oasis]

Probably a week or two from now. I would assume maybe September 6 to be released

[lethal roost]

"it's done when it's done" i think.

[ornate lantern]

Could be two weeks could be two months

[cinder oasis]

Not two months but probably 2 weeks

[lethal roost]

i don't think ironing out bugs and making sure that whatever optimization they managed didn't muck up some other aspect of the game would be a short process. i'd hope it is but i dont think thats the case, especially with like 1 1/2 devs

#pif-hoenn-discussion message #pif-hoenn-discussion message these are like the earliest possible times that were given

#pif-hoenn-discussion message also this

game dev isn't always smooth or easy. something that should work might just not, and that alone could take 2 weeks to figure out

"no ETA" is probably the best bet, but October seems like the bare minimum

[ornate lantern]

Exactly, I wanted to be a game designer but there's just a lot to it...think I might go for Radio DJ now

[lethal roost]

lmao do what you want

cool Pokemon Gold and Silver fact: that game's entire development got rebooted from scratch at one point

[ornate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/neat-thats-neat-futurama-bender-fry-gif-13837870

Fun Pokemon Emerald fact: It was the first game I played and beat like 5-6 years ago lol

[rocky condor]

this gif reminded me that futurama game back a few weeks ago. How is it now? Is it still as good as the old show?

[rough hound]

toxi brought his kids today, say hello everybody

[cinder oasis]

The first game I played was sun and moon about 7 years ago

[lethal roost]

i was playing blue before i knew how to read

[ornate lantern]

Honestly I'm watching Futurama for the very first time kinda and I won't know till I finish the OG episodes lol

[lusty oxide]

I didn’t know English when I first played Pokémon white

And I still don’t

[ornate lantern]

Actually I had Pokemon trading card for the Gameboy color

Pokemon White is when I got out sadly then I got a rom of Pokemon Red lost about 4 hours of progressive because my game didn't save...anyway vote Alteria please xD

[lusty oxide]

Guys you should clearly vote for digersby

[ornate lantern]

Heatran anyone?

[ornate lantern]

Honestly everyone is skipping over the three we need in the game....Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle. how the are not in there already is appauling to me!

[ruby breach]

A week is super cope when we've only gotten 6 of the 20 voting slots revealed so far (scolipede line was bonus doesn't count towards the 20)

[ornate lantern]

Do we think there will be other bonus reveals or no?

[ruby breach]

I don't think there will be other bonuses, just the next 14 slots that need to be filled from voting

[ornate lantern]

Heatran Alteria and Toxicroak...Don't know who else I can vote for lol

[gentle kestrel]

We should just tactically remove the middle stages of the sun/moon line and goodra line

And then we have an easy peezy extra 2 stage line

Or two ultra beasts or smth

[gusty shuttle]

Nah man don't tell me people are really going to waste 4 slots for the sun moon legendaries

[ornate lantern]

Sun/moon line? Also not big on Goodra...we already have Muk and Magcargo and Ditto

[zenith quarry]

zygarde without xerneas and yvetal would be weird

[fast ruin]

None of my picks made it in yet

[gentle kestrel]

The legendary line

[ruby breach]

I'm not afraid to admit that I'm huffing copium for salazzle

[gentle kestrel]

Just remove the gem and pretend it isn’t real

[sharp sphinx]

sadly feels liekly just from asuals, I think they should def be split given they are a weird case as cover egendaries who feel ery complete without rest, and we get sooo much space stuff with clefabledeoys jirachi and palkia already

[fast ruin]

It would literally have an ability which does nothing.

[gusty shuttle]

It's been all mons that I voted 2+ until now :D

[zenith quarry]

but they look cool?

[ruby breach]

I love solgaleo and lunala but cosmoem is a huge waste of a slot

[zenith quarry]

they can be given different abilities idk

[sharp sphinx]

I'd argue cosmog is as well for reasons noted

[gentle kestrel]

The devs need to make the brave choice to just simply nuke cosmoem

[sharp sphinx]

nuking a hyperdense space thing seems ill advised

[ruby breach]

Atleast cosmog has nice nebula themeing and can make for cute fusions, but cosmoem is literally just a second cosmog. Having both is insanely redundant

[fast ruin]

black hole time

[gentle kestrel]

Maybe it’ll become a singularity and take necrozma with it

[sharp sphinx]

again I noted the nebula theming isn't really valuablea s we see it a TON with the 4 mons I mentioned already

[gilded eagle]

or an supernova

[ruby breach]

My only thing is that we don't need both cosmog and cosmoem, I don't mind cosmog existing

[sharp sphinx]

anotherpoint is with necrozma forms you can argue for semi repping solgaleo and lunala without em

[ornate lantern]

Isn't Espeon another?

[gentle kestrel]

I don’t understand the appeal of necrozma

[sharp sphinx]

man idk

[gentle kestrel]

It has such a boring color scheme and we already have multiple crystal mons

[ruby breach]

Honestly probably the best thing to do though is just add solgaleo and lunala as obtainable legendaries somewhere and forget the pre evos exist

[lusty oxide]

You mean MY MOM!

[fast ruin]

Cosmog (and by extension Cosmoem) is literally just a dead slot tho.
Nobody will use cosmog. They'll just ignore it or leave it in the daycare until it's ready to evolve.
Having good looking fusions is one thing. Actually playing with them is another.

[ruby breach]

The only purpose for cosmog and cosmoem to exist is to evolve into solgaleo lunala, that's not necessary if we just obtain solgaleo and lunala haha

[ornate lantern]

Good one lol

[gentle kestrel]

The devs have the infinite power to ignore cosmeoms existence

[gusty shuttle]

btw Snorunt is my brother, Glalie my father and Froslass my step-sister

[night oracle]

youre missing a few mons

[sharp sphinx]

you're* and these are my opinions

[lusty oxide]

“What are you doing step-brother?”

[sand mica]

How about I just retcon existence so that all my favorite Pokémon were actually introduced in Generation I or II so that they were already in this game as a result?

[gusty shuttle]

Yamete onii-chan
Pls don't ban me

[gentle kestrel]

You would risk destroying the timeline for skunktank?

[ornate lantern]

Froslass and Gardevoir are my cousins friends roomates uncles ex girlfriends best friends moms

[sand mica]

Why do you think that bug lancer is not as likely to be in the game? Scolipede doesn't seem to be related enough to count. Drapion does unfortunately.

[lusty oxide]

Dialga would be VERY mad

[sharp sphinx]

tbh I ran outta categories and some of it's mroe just felt less likely than other stuff

[gentle kestrel]

Problem with bug lancer is that it’s intrinsically linked to another line and it would be weird not to have them together especially since they have a fusion thing already going

[sharp sphinx]

thats not the issue to me no

[fast ruin]

We still have 14 more slots guys.
Time to start coping.

[ruby breach]

This is exactly why I hate the duskull line

[lusty oxide]

And seething

[raw bison]

I've been coping the entire time Altaria hasn't been in the game but if Altaria misses its one shot to make it big I cry

[fast ruin]

perhaps even malding

[ruby breach]

Coping so hard for salazzle. I'm happy with all the winners so far tho

[ornate lantern]

We get atleast 3 more 3 stage lines and a 2 stage orr two legendries

[fast ruin]

There'll surely be another expansion... in... 2 years or so.

[sharp sphinx]

or solgaleo lines eats 4 slots

[fast ruin]

If we don't get a legendary i'm gonna be surprised tbh.

[ruby breach]

I feel like we're gonna get a couple 2 stage lines

[fast ruin]

They're like the most obvious picks.

[drowsy elm]

praying for diance

The gems and gowns would be perfect for so many fusions

[lusty oxide]

We need audino

[sharp sphinx]

diancie seems far less likely with sableye in

[ruby breach]

Do we really though

[lusty oxide]

We need someone to feed sableye

[sharp sphinx]

gigalith

[drowsy elm]

we need mons to be in the same cave

[lusty oxide]

Yes

[ornate lantern]

I honestly feel we're going to get the most we can out of this since this may be the final time we get new mons

[sharp sphinx]

technically they havent stated that one way or another if anything feels less likely than last time

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[sand mica]

I'm going to pester them more and more until they cave and add Skuntank to the game.

[sharp sphinx]

do not harass the dev

[lusty oxide]

Please don’t

[fast ruin]

Man, I would hate it if that's the case.
Yes, the game has more than enough mons already, but having the certainty that one of your favourites will NEVER make it in would just be soul crushing

[ruby breach]

Chaw haw haw

[white meadow]

Yoo Glalie is getting added

[ornate lantern]

I know they haven't but just in case ya know

[fast ruin]

that's a weird way of saying "I want to get banned"

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[white meadow]

That mega is gonna make a good base sprite

[sharp sphinx]

please stop spamming you aint convincing anybody that way aizt

[tame flax]

thats not my goal

[fast ruin]

finally another glalie enjoyer

[white meadow]

It's the Johnny bravo jaw drop fusion potential

[lusty oxide]

Then what is?

[white meadow]

Also wait I just clocked froslass is getting added too

[sharp sphinx]

just read the announcement man

[white meadow]

So I can make the Mawile/Frosslass Blizzaria fusion

[ornate lantern]

I think it's to delay our new mons lol

[tame flax]

ill say what it is when the vote ends if anyone gives a fuck at that point, until then

Slurpuff

[lusty oxide]

My guy you’re gonna get muted if you keep going like this

[ornate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-gif-26329300

[tame flax]

im not taking up a lot of space, and its just one word in slow mode

[lusty oxide]

I wouldn’t take my chances lol

[tame flax]

if there was a problem, for as long as ive been doing it, im sure a mod would have said something by yesterday

[white meadow]

Are you just gonna count how many times you say slurpuff then act like that's how many votes its gotten

[lethal roost]

one slurpillion votes

[tame flax]

that would be funny, but no

[fast ruin]

Insert the jeb election meme but with slurpuff

[lusty oxide]

Slurpuff

[drowsy elm]

"BREAKING NEWS! SLURPUFF WINS WITH 500 MESSAGES IN #pif-hoenn-discussion"

[ornate lantern]

If that's the case then Alteria Alteria Altera xD

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lusty oxide]

Slurpuff

[drowsy elm]

Altaria

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[ornate lantern]

Heatran

[white meadow]

Bruh I shouldn't have said anything lol

[drowsy elm]

Rockruff

[lusty oxide]

Leavanny

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[drowsy elm]

Leavanny

[lusty oxide]

Audino

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[fast ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/times-up-time-to-stop-stop-it-clock-gif-14809690

[lusty oxide]

Pidove

[drowsy elm]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[gentle ferry]

Gastrodon

[ornate lantern]

Sylveon

[drowsy elm]

So true, they really should add eevee

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lusty oxide]

Munna

[drowsy elm]

Regi's

[fast ruin]

When will they finally add pikachu to the game

[sand mica]

When they add Skuntank.

[ornate lantern]

See! Why are we here voting for gen 5-7 when we have Eevee, Charmander Bulbasaur and Squirtle not in the game yet!

[fast ruin]

So never, I'm okay with that

[lusty oxide]

I would hate if they did

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[white meadow]

They should really add Lopunny

[drowsy elm]

They should add mew! An absolutely classic pokemon such as mew NEEDS to be in pokemon if

[ornate lantern]

Anyone for Piplup or Turtwig?

[drowsy elm]

True

[lusty oxide]

They should add rattata it would really improve the game

[drowsy elm]

EXACTLY! Can't believe they gave youngster joey a YUNGOOS

[ornate lantern]

Rattata is just a rat and Pidgey is just a female Cardnal

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lusty oxide]

We need caterpie too the game doesn’t have enough bug types

[lethal roost]

i think they should add hoppip

[ornate lantern]

Butterfree and Beeddrill then?

[sand mica]

I absolutely must have Sunflora in the game. Sunflowers should appear!

[lethal roost]

i know its a pipe dream but hoppip is not my favorite pokemon and i think itd be cool

[ornate lantern]

What about Ralts? underrated pokemon right there!

[sand mica]

Oh, I know what it could be! A Sunflora X Miltank fusion! Lovely cow that can get food from sunlight and grant milk for all!

[drowsy elm]

idk, giving the community gardevoir sounds like a bad idea

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[ornate lantern]

I feel the same about Lopunny and Froslass...We need a triple fusion stat!

[drowsy elm]

don't give the dev's ideas

[lethal roost]

maximum woman

[ornate lantern]

It's not for the devs 😌

[sand mica]

Blissey and Miltank would make for a good healer! Milk Drink and Soft-boiled! Too bad they're not in the game... 😞

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lethal roost]

we need the septa-fusion between Gardevoir, Froslass, Lopunny, Vespiquen, Meloetta, Tsareena and Salazzle for infinite woman energy

[ornate lantern]

That would be awesome, also you forgot Vaporeon js

[white meadow]

The Frankenstein's monster of waifus

[charred grotto]

Little sad we're not getting Amaura and Aurorus to go with Tyrunt and Tyrantrum. Obviously, Tyrunt and Tyrantrum are incredibly rad, but I really like their counterparts' aesthetic, and it would be fun to have Glaciate and Snow Warning in the game to play around with. I do like the Snorunt line though.

[lethal roost]

im still holding out for aurorus. i have a dream.

[ornate lantern]

There's still hope for it, just because we already got an ice type doesn't mean we won't get another

[drowsy elm]

waiting for the actual announcement where they just go "fuck it. have all of them, see you at the update in a year" (this will not happen do not encourage my pipedream)

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[ornate lantern]

Honestly what if this voting thing was to cause a war between us all and in the end they're all getting added

[drowsy elm]

exactly

[charred grotto]

I think the game would crash if they tried to add that many Pokemon.

Yeah, I'm still holding out for Aurorus. It's a very pretty design, and has two unique abilities and unique typing to add extra spice to the fusions.

[white meadow]

Glalie and Machamp should just be a jawdrop Machamp

[lethal roost]

pogchamp

[white meadow]

Mega Glalie

[ruby breach]

Cosmoem

[lethal roost]

golbat

[charred grotto]

I was going to say something about Glalie adding the dreaded Moody, but then I remembered that Bidoof and Bibarel are already in the game and have Moody, so you don't need Glalie to have that

[tame flax]

slurpuff

[ornate lantern]

Glalie and Aggron would probably be awesome

[lethal roost]

anything with Aggron involved is awesome. it's Aggron

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-gun-threat-point-gun-oh-no-gif-21611767

[ornate lantern]

True even though I honestly don't use him he's an awesome Mon

Also anything with Torterra is awesome

[gusty shuttle]

I want a cake shaped like a Torterra
With tree and everything

[lusty oxide]

It so funny when you stop paying attention to the time and then it’s already 02:00 at night

[gusty shuttle]

How dare you be one hour after me

[ornate lantern]

7:18 pm here lol

[lusty oxide]

I mean it’s actually 02:18

[gusty shuttle]

No shit and here I thought you paid Dialga to be 18 minutes off the legal time

[lusty oxide]

Maybe I did

[ornate lantern]

Also I want this too now...Alas I just have pizza haha

[gusty shuttle]

Eevee is overrated

[lusty oxide]

You can do anything with a lot of money

[ornate lantern]

EEVEE IS GOOD DOG-CAT-THING lol

[gusty shuttle]

*I'm in danger 🙂 *

[lusty oxide]

Yes, yes you are

[gusty shuttle]

Eevee's are good at best

[ornate lantern]

Sadly not anything...no matter how much I pay I'll never be an actual Pokemon trainer

[gusty shuttle]

And that's the last thing you'll hear from me before some hitman with Sylveon ears knocks on my door

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[lusty oxide]

Yeah you don’t have enough badges to train me lol

[ornate lantern]

just imagine an extremely buff dude with a cheap sylveon costume that barely fits

[gusty shuttle]

I wonder what weapon he would have

Other than his bare hands that is, which would be more than enough

[lusty oxide]

[ornate lantern]

Sylveon is honestly my least favorite Eevee evo js 😏 Glaceon and Embreon is better lol

[gusty shuttle]

My father Umbreon

[lusty oxide]

Emreon what’s that?

[ornate lantern]

A rubber tinkaton hammer?

[gusty shuttle]

ₕₑₗₚ ₘₑ

[ornate lantern]

I meant Umbreon lol

[lusty oxide]

I only know umbreon he’s my uncle he’s kinda weird though he keeps talking about floor tentacles

[lethal roost]

sylveon is at least better than leafeon. (i don't like how plain leafeon is, but still a good mon)

[ornate lantern]

How?! lol

[cyan crest]

the yuki onna made it in i see

[gusty shuttle]

[lusty oxide]

I should probably go to bed rn lol

[ornate lantern]

yep now we need a triple fusion between her Gardevoir and Lopunny...for research...to see if triple fusions are possible lol

[cyan crest]

i need to upgrade my wishlist...

a lady-looking snow rabbit?

[fast ruin]

Do we?

[iron quartz]

AYYY
@alpine rune THE ICE BOIS GOT IN

[alpine rune]

LETS GOOO :D

[iron quartz]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ornate lantern]

Mean I don't but I know my fathers brothers exroommate does >u>

[lusty oxide]

It wasn’t a glaceon bait and Switch

[gusty shuttle]

I'll go eat my carbonara leftovers
At 1:30 am
goodbye

[ornate lantern]

Great meetin ya Lutrax have a gn!

[lusty oxide]

Anyways so about that assassin I was gonna send you

[ornate lantern]

What about it lol

[ornate lantern]

Wait it's not to kill me right?

[lusty oxide]

Yes it is you need to be executed for your sins

[cyan crest]

whats his sin

[lusty oxide]

This has audino very based

[cyan crest]

lemme guess, disagreement~

[cyan crest]

im a person of quality. if the trex is in.. so the blue one needs to be

[ornate lantern]

I prefer Umbreon over Sylveon 😃 😅

[lusty oxide]

Umbreon is weird ok he won’t stop talking about floor tentacles

[ornate lantern]

Honestly it should be Leafeons Vines you should be worried about xD

[lusty oxide]

Honestly I think “they’re counterparts” is a big nothing burger

[ornate lantern]

What about a nothing bergur o.o

[white meadow]

Poochyena's a bit of a sideman

[cyan crest]

who is talking about the what now? :D

[white meadow]

We really need Diancie

[cyan crest]

no

[drowsy elm]

yes

[cyan crest]

not without diancie's henchmen and nobody likes those so also no diancie, or else its halfassed.

[drowsy elm]

I like carbink :(

[gentle ferry]

This is Gastrodon Propaganda:

[white meadow]

I don't mind carbink

[cyan crest]

your a big nothing burger. no ham, no cheese, and certainly no pickles!

sadly a mayority doesnt still like carbink tho i believe

and with sableye being in there we got crystals covered so the chance is even less to get it in, i highly suggest concentrating votes for something else

[lusty oxide]

Hey in the “they’re counterparts” argument there’s literally nothing

[white meadow]

Who's counterparts

[cyan crest]

not understandable.

[ornate lantern]

Who what where when why how are counterparts?

[cyan crest]

i see counterparts as something important, as in all pokemon games it should be to be accurate and good

[lusty oxide]

Alr then why do we need the counterparts to get in then

[cyan crest]

said it above

[ornate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-what-roscoe-conklin-willa-fitzgerald-reacher-what-was-that-gif-24770045

[cyan crest]

its like adding a brother but ignorign the sister. so its only half the product.

[sharp sphinx]

not here where we have very limited space and combos exist, stuff shouuld get in off own merit and fusion potential

[lusty oxide]

You legit sent that right before I sent mine

[white meadow]

I mean Mawile was in the game before Sableye

[cyan crest]

disagree.

[white meadow]

Sableye is Mawile's counterpart

[cyan crest]

eah but its my reasoning, i was jsut ahead of your question.

thats also why i want cresselia in. new moon and full moon need to be together

[ornate lantern]

We should get the most out of what we can here

[cyan crest]

hmm sadly agree. but i also hate halfassed package. i want a proper product and not a halfassed product ""as long as it has my favorite logo on it"" which is sadly the mentaly of most voters

[lusty oxide]

Anyway I should sleep now

[drowsy elm]

Eh the fact that they're giving us a chance to vote IS saying that they want us to have the "pick your favorites!" mentatlity, if they wanted to have a fully cohesive package then they wouldn't give us the choice to have them seperated from their counterparts

[cyan crest]

im the only one of the voters that cares to have the game shine brightly and proper with carefully chosen mons that could flick the holes of the game while others just want their favorite pokemon in or see emre stat opportunities or fusion opportunities

[ornate lantern]

I don't want a half[-assed product either man, I feel either way someone will get upset over this soo

[ornate lantern]

GN sylveon! Nice meetng ya c:

[cyan crest]

ony so many new mons can get in sinc ethe coding's improvment, there many ways to improve the game, and no product is finished. however the pokemon that could make the game better are included in the chocie as an option

[drowsy elm]

What does this even say?

[cyan crest]

for example... the regitrio will fix regigigas, for regigigas is known to only be achievable by solving the regi riddles.
cresselia for darkrai so darkrai has its counterpart. its a balance thing

and now since the trex goes in. its coutnerpart shall too. would be unfair for the pokemon

sableye and the frosslass evo line dont have counterparts. they are fine choices too

[drowsy elm]

I don't disagree with that but viewing the vote from the perspective that everyone should vote in some way to fufill your personal wants and views of the game which is highly centered around the balance of it all is a bit self centered, its not wrong but saying that its the only 'right' way to vote, is.

[cyan crest]

of corus eim not saying what i say is how it HAS to be. but i think it should be preferable. however im aware everyone is free too choose their desires. i jsut have my own objective here

[ornate lantern]

We all have our own objectives here lol Some take it way more seriously than others though

[cyan crest]

tl;dr its my opinion so thats why i chose those pokemon, do my choices too, it will benefit the game

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/regirock-un-un-un-locket-regirock-locket-un-gif-26271978

[drowsy elm]

Love the regis, live for the regis

[cyan crest]

i also keep in midn that infinite fusion might be the best fangame to exist, being ebtter than actual pokemon.

[cobalt nebula]

This puzzle is sad without the Regi’s

[cyan crest]

so i hope at least the regitriog et sin to give regigigas a proper event.

[drowsy elm]

I can agree with that, the regi's would be an awesome add

[ornate lantern]

While I won't disagree I have a couple Emerald hacks that are awesome too

[cyan crest]

i could be petty and say " those are hacks"

not a fully engine based fangame (gamemaker? rpgmaker wassit)

but yeah that renegade platinum is awesome i heard

[cobalt nebula]

There are many who dislike the Regi’s however so I don’t know if they’ll get in. I really hope they do.

[ornate lantern]

I'm not saying they're fangames, I'm just saying they're cool addons to an already cool game lol

[cyan crest]

if they fail to get in is ee it a missed opportunity

[ornate lantern]

I actually never played platinum renegade

[cyan crest]

when i first heard of regigigas not having his proper event and being ALONE in the game i raged

[cyan crest]

me neither

[cyan crest]

"why even include it into the game, ""just because its cool""? idiotic!"

honestly i should put the passion i have for keeping such things in the game tidy rather into cleaning my apartment.

priorities lol

[ornate lantern]

I've played Moemon, Emerald Roguelike and one that starts with a G lol

[drowsy elm]

Glazed?

[ornate lantern]

Gaia

[stone cliff]

Moemon

[ornate lantern]

I was bored of normal Emerald lol

[cyan crest]

touhou pokemon coems to mind

[ornate lantern]

I never heard of that but with a quick google search it's a anime game?

[raw bison]

I maintain that the three Regis get a solid two points for being three different low-saturation types with legendary stats and their dad is in the game already so it's weird that they're missing

[ornate lantern]

I didn't know there was more than 4?

[drowsy elm]

yeah the new two in sw/sh

[violet current]

froslass line is a good choice

[raw bison]

the two new energy regis are....an odd design choice to make ngl, I don't get it

[cobalt nebula]

Yeah, 2 new ones were added but they aren’t even being considered for IF cause if software limitations

[fast ruin]

I honestly don't know why people are so fixated on adding counterparts. It makes sense for legit duos/trios. But "having" to add carbink to get Diancie in? "Having" to add Creselia just because Darkrai is in the game and those two are loosely related?

[violet current]

electric i get, but dragon? seriously?

[raw bison]

Oh there's nothing that says we have to have em but it adds a supporting point if the pokemon have a relationship with another one either in game canon or in the meta so it's less confusing. I'll survive if we don't get the regis, and even Aurorus, but I'll be sad because it'll feel lopsided

[cyan crest]

i dont think software limitations is the problem. but i see them more as cousins. and s/sh is garbage. since they arent in the chocie to begin with i wont bother with these tow ankward cousins

[raw bison]

How else to put it, it's like...having one side of a coin? You can see the heads, and you expect to see the tails at some point, so not having it feels weird. It's not like, a deal breaker or offensive but it just feels like it's missing if you don't have it

[violet current]

regieleki is the only regi thats any good anyway lol

[ornate lantern]

Dragon does make no since honestly

[fast ruin]

Software limitations are the problem tho. The engine being used for IF doesn't support anything beyond gen 7.

[cyan crest]

why? do their movelists need to be changed? that sthe only problem i see.

[violet current]

it would've been cool to have a ground regi, but it'd probably be a pain to make it look cool and not like regirock

[cyan crest]

did ev/dv get a huge change?

[fast ruin]

Because... it doesn't have anything beyond gen 7 in it? Like literally nothing

[cyan crest]

that...doesnt explain anything. what you mean?

[drowsy elm]

its an issue with the engine, its not a dev fix that we nor even the if team have control over

[cyan crest]

plz explain the issue. except "they would be the only pokemon from gen 7" thats an excuse but no explanation

[alpine rune]

#pif-hoenn-discussion : Can we have archeops?
Frogman : We got Archeops at home

Archeops at home :

[cobalt nebula]

The engine the game is made with literally can not support Pokémon past Gen 7

[drowsy elm]

The pokemon plugin engine for rpg maker cannot do it, none of us are programers who can tell you exactly why it can't happen rn lol

[cyan crest]

as long as the stats are fine,e v/dv are fine.. all that has to be tweaked is the attack list honestly.

[cobalt nebula]

It’s not a problem with the game, it’s a problem with the engine the game is based on.

[cyan crest]

the pokemon plugin engine, i throught the hypnotoad dev mad ethe game from sratch?

[drowsy elm]

no its based off rpg maker

[cyan crest]

and we found a way to make room for 30 new entries. (yeah. with rpgmaker from sratch)

[sharp sphinx]

30?

[cyan crest]

......20*

[fast ruin]

Uhm, how do I explain.
IF uses a template which contains the essentials needed to make a pokemon game.
The template does not contain anything from gen 8 or beyond. Thus, you can't easily add from these games. You would have to add all of these by hand. Which isn't feasible to do.

[cyan crest]

finally soem clearance thx, but that leavs me with new questions how much our hypnotoad has made.
that theres a template , could mean actually all pokemon up to gen 6 can actually join. they just cant because the coding cant handle the amount

[atomic furnace]

oh oh

snorunt line

[sharp sphinx]

as I understood it games built off an older ver of pokemon essentialsfromgen 7 that's been heavily customized so it's not really feasible to swap it now

[drowsy elm]

Plenty? he figured out how to have hundreds of thousands of pokemon in a game while having it work pretty seamlessly

[atomic furnace]

got approved in announcement

[sharp sphinx]

up to gen 7 it's past gen 7 that's issue, also its cause of the exponetial nature of fusions

[fast ruin]

Which is the reason why adding more mons isn't so easy, as any new addition will add hundereds of new fusions.

[fast lily]

Am I the only one surprised by snorunt line being added? Like y’all really chose those ice types over spheal?

[atomic furnace]

type wise snorunt line is better because of the typing option. we do need atlease 1 icetype

[violet current]

yea smth sandy was what i was thinking, either give it sand stream or sand rush

[cyan crest]

hmm. i start to questioon the logic of this template tho. considering what i wrote earlier that would mean that there are basically many empty slots for all the numbers of pokemon so far up to gen 6! they are jsut empty. cuz the game cant handle that much.

but then theres a hole in the logic.
why are the pokemon not in their original pokedex order?

[cobalt nebula]

Or have it made of Mud

[drowsy elm]

The "holes" are filled with the thousands of fusions

[drowsy elm]

the pokemon are in pokedex order based on when they were added

[cyan crest]

you ..seem to not udnerstand what i mean.
we jsut etablished before a month that pokemon DO can be added. 30 more from 1 to gen 6 (for some reason regarding this "template the game is based on")

[fast lily]

Idk just my opinion but I feel like there were cooler/more popular ice types that I’m just surprised these ones were picked

[cinder oasis]

These are the most popular lol

[drowsy elm]

no, you don't understand what you're talking about

[fast lily]

True true, popular vote, just not what I expected

[violet current]

honestly a new ability that would make it immune to fighting (and maybe steel) would be sick

[cyan crest]

its based on what yall said to me jsut now.

[violet current]

basically just make it have an ability that works like sandman from marvels powers without being super busted

[drowsy elm]

some pokemon can now be added yes, but these spaces that you're trying to talk about arent just filled by base pokemon they are also filled by the fusions who all have to be separate pokemon

[cyan crest]

if all yous ay to me is "theres a template that forbids gen7" and " new pokemon cant be added because the code cant handle it" then at least the latter is nonsense, sicne we litterally are voting for 30 new ones, since they managed to make room with better coding (or so i heard)

[violet current]

ok you have to keep in mind

[drowsy elm]

you just answered your own question

[cyan crest]

wheres the difference if a gen5 pokemon gets adde over a gen7 pokemon? they both create more fusions

[cyan crest]

no i didnt. it doesnt make sense.

[violet current]

adding 30 new pokemon adds THOUSANDS of new pokemon due to having to make a seperate dex spot for every fusion

[drowsy elm]

none? thats why we're voting on pokemon???

[cyan crest]

where u get the 30 from. we are getting 20 new ones.

[atomic furnace]

err. let me correct some of the opinion. 3 years ago, there is a talk of making IF2 using new engine other than the Pokemon Essential. The reason was because, the engine has been fully utilise and new pokemon cannnot be added because the database have been use to the max

[cobalt nebula]

Idk why people keep saying Gen 7 when Gen 7 works. It’s Gen 8 and 9 that get weird

[drowsy elm]

this

[violet current]

2 and 3 are right next to each other, i misclicked.

[cyan crest]

same with me earlier lol

[violet current]

still, thousands of new fusions

[atomic furnace]

during that time, talk has being held between spriter. this also the reason why, after gen 2, the rest of the pokemon been picked and choose to maximize the database

[cyan crest]

wheres the difference?

[cyan crest]

same with sableye that gets added in tho, also brings forth new fusions. so far i see no difference.

[violet current]

no im saying there's only room for the thousands of new fusions that these 20 pokemon add

[atomic furnace]

this was also the reason why pokemon does not follow their pokedex number

[drowsy elm]

the pokemon pre gen-7 have stats and such already in the database assumedly, but making them available as fusions suddenly adds thousands of fusions

[violet current]

they're adding a hard limit because the game is already pushing their limits

[cyan crest]

that, makes sense. so what happens when one of those 20 slots is a gen7 pokemon?

[violet current]

pyukumuku and mimikyu are already in the game lol

[cyan crest]

so you saying all fusions in those 6 gens so far are already pre-programmed. then why arent they in already? only problem would then be... size of the data.

[violet current]

what im guessing is that the engine has presets for gens 1-7

[drowsy elm]

the fusions aren't in, if the pokemon were added the pokemon would need to be GIVEN fusions which would number in the thousands

[cyan crest]

either that or the dev told many people here "everything past gen7 cant join" but didnt give a proper explanation why

[drowsy elm]

sorry to say but, You aren't getting it

[cyan crest]

guess i dont. because i say it again, we are getting 20 new mons. whats with the fusions coming from those, how are they In already i dont think they are. and if they are, why werent the pokemon added earlier already.

[drowsy elm]

They aren't in already, any pokemon that'd be added would need to be given fusions, the pokemon that are being voted on aren't currently in the game

they weren't added earlier because there wasn't space for them before the code was cleaned up

[cyan crest]

you jsut said it. they arent in already. there. so why not witha gen7

[drowsy elm]

??????? what?

[violet current]

what are you even saying man

[atomic furnace]

i think its more on the ai fusion engine. as we all know, when there is no custom sprite available, the game will use something like ai fusion sprite where they mix matches the sprite

[drowsy elm]

literally this

[earnest mortar]

Snorunt is in... 14 more to go... Hope my favorite doggo gets in

[cyan crest]

i could say the same

[violet current]

im trying my hardest here but my heads starting to hurt. i will explain it in as much detail as i can

[atomic furnace]

so, i don't think there is any available sprite of fusion achieve past gen 7

[cyan crest]

okay so basically what yall told me.
gen 7 (or 8 as some say here) cant ge tin because theres no room.
then why is there now room for 20 new pokemon from gen1 towards 6 , theres no difference except the attack list for those pokemon.

[cinder oasis]

Gen 8 and 9 can’t get in bruh, do you not understand?

[drowsy elm]

because they aren't in the engine, adding them isn't something the devs are looking to do

[cyan crest]

the question and pronblem here is, i jsut wonder why, but i either dont get the explanation. or nobody is able to explainw hy and jsut says "cant get in"

[cinder oasis]

It’s not available in the engine

[drowsy elm]

The dev doesn't plan on adding them thats why

[hard token]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-pokemon-pheromosa-ultra-beast-gif-13903532

[cyan crest]

we already went past that, i questioned the engine. and figured the pokemon from gen1 towards gen7 are already pre-programmed inside the engine. but then why arent they in now. ?

[cinder oasis]

Gen 1 to 7

[drowsy elm]

Because there's no space for all of their fusions

[atomic furnace]

because the if dev is not the one who make the pokemon essential engine. They are just users. Its like you play with playdoh. It can't be Lego unless, the Playdoh company give the lego part to them

[cyan crest]

and on this i said "then why is there space for the fusions of gen 1 towards 7" are the slots for those preprogrammed too?

[drowsy elm]

each fusion takes up the space of a singular pokemon, adding a pokemon means adding each one of its fusions with every other pokemon

[cyan crest]

yeah and you tell me those 20 of the ones about to get in dont take any?

[hard token]

engine doesnt support gen 8 and 9 mons because adding gen 8 or 9 would also mean adding in the entire gen 8/9 movesets which is too much for the engine to handle, we got lucky with the extra slots we have now

[violet current]

there are currently 420 pokemon in the game, ranging from gens 1-7. each pokemon fuses with every other pokemon two ways, including itself. every single one of these fusions needs a sprite. there are currently nearly 175k fusions in the game, and having 175k pokemon in a game is pushing the limits of the game engine. lets assume 200k is the limit. the devs feel confident they can keep the game running if they add exactly 20 pokemon and no more. they already have pokemon from gens 1-7, and decide to hold a poll to decide 20 newcomers from the generations currently in the game. once these 20 newcomers are selected, they will reach what they believe is the limit for the game to be able to function and won't add any more.

[drowsy elm]

there isn't thats why they're being selective with who they add????

[cyan crest]

thats a valid reason, therell be new attacks to consider.

[violet current]

hope this helps.

[drowsy elm]

that is a great explanation sadie, thank you

[hard token]

yea thats all it is its not like the devs dont wanna add new gens the engine just cant handle it

[cyan crest]

doesnt increase the number to 440 with these 20 new additions?

[violet current]

yes, that's what i said

[drowsy elm]

yes?

[cyan crest]

i knwo the engine cant handle it, but why cant it handle it is the topic im trying to find out

[violet current]

when they hit 440, there will be 200k total fusions and hit their limit for new additions.

[drowsy elm]

none of us are the devs we don't know the exact specifications of the code and shit man

[earnest mortar]

VOTE FOR THIS FLUFFY DOGGO PLEASE

[atomic furnace]

1 fusion = 1 pokemon/pokedex space in the database

[cyan crest]

okay. then let me ask this (again in another way) what would you think if in the pollw e currently have we would for some reasons ee gen 9 pokemon?

[atomic furnace]

hence, we litterally have not 420 but 175k pokemon

[hard token]

oh well its running off of rpgmaker which is not as endless as we'd hope it to be when it comes to asset space

[cyan crest]

i know. but that doesnt explain the difference between gen 1 and gen 8 for example @atomic furnace

[cobalt nebula]

Can we have an ice sweep? Avalugg, the regi’s, abamasnow

[cyan crest]

we just got frosslass OWO

[hard token]

since each mon essentially spawns a buncha assets which takes up a lot more space which is why we are limited to 423 rn

[violet current]

there are currently no gen 8 or 9 pokemon. that is the simplest reason i can give you. the poll is just between the remaining pokemon from the generations currently in the game.

[cyan crest]

so my understandment is right that gen1 to gen7 is preprogrammed into the engine, they jsut arent all in?

[violet current]

I'm unsure. it doesn't really matter either way.

[drowsy elm]

yes

[cyan crest]

probably yeah. i dont need gen8 or 9.

[violet current]

there we go

[hard token]

gen 1-7 mons are allowed on the poll because we have the base to support them (movesets,typing,etc) which wouldnt be possible if they added gen 8/9 mons as they would need to add a whole new side of the game which just takes up more space

[cyan crest]

whats the whole new side except "new attacks that flood the attack pool"

[ornate lantern]

Ceruledge would be cool js lol but not a necessary pokmon Heatran Alteria and Toxicroak though

[drowsy elm]

actually adding in each pokemon

[hard token]

attacks, ways to evolve, items, etc

[drowsy elm]

they aren't supported by pokemon essentials

[cyan crest]

hmm what you mena with essentials? Left
attack lists would ahve to be edited, unique or new attacks would need to be added, ways to evolve could be humbled jsut like with eevee, items im unsure.

[grave jolt]

We're getting the snowrunt family 😔

[hard token]

i mean just look at this

[cyan crest]

btw abotu frosslass.. i was dead sure for the ice pokemon the little puffy ball would make it in, im surpriced.

[hard token]

its a lot of stuff to consider when adding a new gen, dont try to downplay it

[drowsy elm]

pokemon essentials is the base engine the game goes off of, it uses rpg maker to hemp you make pokemon games. the pokemon from gens 8-9 aren't in pokemon essentials unlike the rest from gens 1-7

[cyan crest]

but barely any of those items have something to do with the pokemon sor their evo's right?

so thats the name of the engine.

[zinc cave]

14 slots remain

[cyan crest]

i wonder, can that engine be used with any rpgmaker version?

[drowsy elm]

I think its just rpg maker 2003

[cyan crest]

thats sad.

[atomic furnace]

well unless the original dev of pokemon essential ramp it up to newer version

[grave jolt]

Dang man

[zinc cave]

why'd you X them

[cyan crest]

sicne the engine provides the ability to add all pokemon from up to gen 7 , it would need a better grounding like.. for example the newest rpgmaker? imagine all 809 pokemon would be in.

[grave jolt]

Not enough slots now. Elimination as new pokemon are revealed.

[zinc cave]

ah gotcha

[hard token]

nah a good chunk of them are, and even then gen 8 mons were made with these things in mind so devs might just think that these could lead to problems in the future

[drowsy elm]

all 800 pokemon could be in technically, just not all of their fusions which would go against the theme of the game

[atomic furnace]

making an engine is like making a new game altogether.

[cyan crest]

oof thats a valid problem then

[steep glen]

WOOOH I got my ice types

[grave jolt]

Well, now we're getting mega glalie lmao

[steep glen]

Honestly Mega should be Gangar Glalie fussion

[cyan crest]

true, im not too familiar with coding. so i cant say whats more important to make (example) a pokemon infinite fusion with 809 pokemon (up to gen7)

1. a better pokemon essentials (which is used in rpgmaker as base)
2. or a better rpgmaker sofware (given that pkmn essentials could be used on later versions of rpgmaker)

[ornate lantern]

is anyone else excited for a triple fusion between Gardevoir Lopunny and Froslass or just me?

[cyan crest]

your still ON ABOUT THAT? owo

[drowsy elm]

You're*

[steep glen]

There are more wife pokemon than those you know

[ornate lantern]

I say don't mess with perfection...and no >n>

[grave jolt]

welp, at least I get my Hail team!

[cyan crest]

wher eis my overly loud touch grass meme

[ornate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[steep glen]

Im so happy Obama got the vote

[cyan crest]

i found it. a bit loud

[grave jolt]

oh dang Snorunt was on ash's team so there's another pokemon I can use for that gimmic lmfao

[violet current]

i plan on trying to make smth similar to infinite fusion

[hard token]

[ornate lantern]

wtf lol

[hard token]

id be so suprised if golisopod doesnt get in, boutta add a premptive circle

[violet current]

but instead of japan, unova and alola

[atomic furnace]

in 2020 or 2021, there is a talk to migrate to new software. if im not mistaken, unreal engine because the pokemon essential been pushed to the max. but during the discussion, the plan seems fell off or atlease i don't get any new news from them. during that time, they want around 1k spriter to resprite all the sprite because the new engine will not use the png file that is IF currently have

[violet current]

since those 2 games are both about fusion already

[drowsy elm]

from what I remember zero was working on pokemon amalgam which would be the "fabled fusion game with every pokemon fusable" but he hasn't really talked about it in like a year or two

[violet current]

that sounds like a lot

[cyan crest]

that would just take the byrocrazy work of taaking all the jpg files and converting them tho.

[violet current]

i just thought alola would make a great postgame region

[atomic furnace]

not quite. because, they are using unreal hence, they going for more 3d vibe instead of normal 2d

[cyan crest]

it might be either the sugar from my choco bons or this big discussion but after this i feel like an enlighted being now

[ornate lantern]

Pokemon is better in 2-d js :/

[cyan crest]

ehhh unreal engien doesnt need to make 3d games thoooo

[lusty vine]

VOTE TORKOAL!!! That’s all.

[cyan crest]

(technically at leaaast)

also we have paint3d

[violet current]

plus there's a lot of mons that could easily fit into unova and alola

[atomic furnace]

well, i don't heard news about it I don't know if the project still ongoing. What I know is, usually new engine/game required more than 4 years to make with a team of 20 and above making the engine/game in their free time.

[violet current]

duraladon was made to be in gen 5 fr

[cyan crest]

to add a whole third region would be insanity tho. i put my coins on an infinite fusion DX or TWO

[grave jolt]

Would love Alola making it in
Maybe then we'd get hoenn, since there's a lot of water there too

[cyan crest]

sounds liek something big N would like to ...have a word with

alola is so little it could be added easely OWO

[grave jolt]

I think'd be funny if the possible sequal takes place in kalos, since then they'd be able to easily fit Galar and Paldea too 😉

[cyan crest]

i realised something.

since the slots are preprogrammed for the pokemon till gen7. does that mean that the stats of the pokemon are also already set in? same for the name and attacks?

[grave jolt]

prob

[cyan crest]

then what with the fusions. does pkmn essentials provide the fusion coding?

[drowsy elm]

nah that was frogman

[cyan crest]

what was the max amount of slots again, with the fusions?

[violet current]

we don't have an exact number

[cyan crest]

lets say 120000 then? for example

[violet current]

we just know we're nearing the limit

[drowsy elm]

closer to 20000

I'm wrong mb mb misread

[grave jolt]

with this next update we'll hit 200k

[cyan crest]

lets tale 20 0000 as example then. so roughly 809 are preprogrammed for all pokemon till gen7. roughly 420 are in the game. 20 new ones from gen 1-7 take their rightful preoccupied slot. name original stats and such are there. then...

since our toad made the fusion coding. doesnt that mean those other 199560 slots that are for fusions.. are completly empty slots?

[drowsy elm]

no, they're filled by the fusions

[cyan crest]

exactly. because our toad programmed them in. but not the engine: pkmn essentials.

[cyan crest]

what before then tho?

[cyan crest]

before those slots were jsut empty then, blank. since the engine wasnt made for fusion. what i mena to sa is. there are no preoccupied slots. that means. anything DO could be added beyond gen 1-7

[violet current]

why do you care so much man

[cyan crest]

i have no idea, the devil inside me is looking for logical errors

[grave jolt]

No, each pokemon has 2 new slots added for each pokemon that exists.

[violet current]

the devil inside you is looking for answers to a question that's answer is "because i said so"

[cyan crest]

thats new information

[cyan crest]

maybe what would put me to rest and seal me away would be " we are not rly sure why, the dev might know of course"

[drowsy elm]

We've been saying that the entire time man

[left plover]

this is one of those conspiracy diagrams from an imageboard sight i know it

[violet current]

yeah

[dull panther]

Ok but have you ever considered the following- SHUT THE FU-
: troll :

[iron quartz]

wdym

[left plover]

no medicham btw

[iron quartz]

Do i see alot of medicham here.

[cyan crest]

well maybe this topic goes nowhere =w=

[grave jolt]

Every single pokemon added slows the game down substantially. You add another 400 pokemon, that's 354400 new slots.

[iron quartz]

NO.

[left plover]

how would ROM data slow down the game?

[short garden]

tbh you two are really the only medicham fans... but everything has its fans and we ALL know that i am like the only aromatisse fan

[violet current]

ill rest when dhelmise added

[cyan crest]

thaaat info were already past tho. but tbh i lack the energy to talk about this any further

[violet current]

steel/ghost or steel/grass fusions with steelworker 🤤

[pale rapids]

you are not.

[grave jolt]

I'll rest when we get Pachirisu 😌

[cyan crest]

anyway vote the regitrio for makign regigigas perfect, bye~

[violet current]

plus cool pirate stuff plus cool sunken treasures

[short garden]

that's actually quite comforting tbh

[left plover]

y'all voting based on looks I'm just trying to get two really good abilties for my fusions. could care less about aesthetics smh try doubling your attack stack and getting physical fighting type / ground type STAB moves. mmhmm.

[pale rapids]

we live in conjoined sadness knowing our goofy bird wont make it

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/aromatisse-perfume-monster-sad-pokemon-amie-pokemon-gif-27404569

[violet current]

half the reason im campaigning for dhelmise is bc of steelworker, same with lurantis.

[grave jolt]

Pixilate Sylveon says hi

[short garden]

it's a little goblin-troll-thing, a plague doctor, two different kinds of dancer... i am surprised SO MANY hate it

[stone cliff]

Aromatisse has some good fusion potential, but I hate the Mon itself lmao

[pale rapids]

yeeaaa sadly i think thats why a lotta ppl just arent a fan- a lotta concepts that dont rlly go together but imo its pretty neat

[cyan crest]

you putting yourself higher on the pecking order by saying that others jsut vote for their fav pokemon, while you vote for good attack patterns and stats

i put myself higher than them And you for voting on pokemon that in my opinion fix loopholes, loose ends and coudl actually benefit the game

we are not the same

waltuh whide, ok now i rly go.

[violet current]

not having the regis isnt a loose end lol

[cyan crest]

your opinion, not mine owo

[grave jolt]

I put myself on the top of the pecking order by advocating pachirisu 😎

[drowsy elm]

"now i rly go"

[ornate lantern]

When you get everything but a shiny Gardevoir lol

[cyan crest]

help.

[pale rapids]

in my ideal world we'd get the goomy line, but purply goopy fusions already have two lines for them and it'd prolly just feel like a dex filler 🫠

[violet current]

i honestly think that at least 15/20 of the mons added should be nonlegends

[short garden]

here's a little tip:

those who say they are voting for "potential" or "abilities" are really just voting for their favorites but on a different metric than design or attachment.

potential can be milked from the driest coconut of a mon(like tell me how necrozma is getting so many fans when all of its concepts have been done to death and then some)

and every mon has its own abilities that, combined with its other stats and types and moves and all that, create a unique role for a team(ex: Pachirisu in Worlds that one year eating a Draco Meteor and protecting Gyarados(a water/flying type) from electiric moves)

[viscid mica]

this is truly great news to wake up to

[short garden]

i think we should legit only get one legendary... or its line

[violet current]

ideally 75% standard mons, a pseudoline, and 2-3 legends

[left plover]

good abilities

[violet current]

id like a duo and a mythical/ultra beast tbh

[stone cliff]

Remember: advocate your favorites, and let others do the same.

[pale rapids]

if we were gonna get any legends id honestly advocate for either gen 6 or 7 trios (namely the latter), purely cus their triple fusions would prolly be badass lmao

[violet current]

i also want goodra because of gooey

[cyan crest]

guess i dont wanna go. let me go lawful evil. absolute evil opinion:
if theres noc resselia, Remove Darkrai. if theres no regitrio to properly support the event of optaining regigigas like it should be, Remove regigigas.

[pale rapids]

you have good opinions